Crowley Freemason, Satanist, MI6

[eternal_spirit]

33° Mason, Aleister Crowley would definitely get some votes in the "most wicked man who ever lived contest" and is the clear cut favorite for the title of "The Father of Modern Satanism". Crowley's wicked life and his intimate association with Freemasonry are both well known.

Crowley himself was terribly decadent. A happily heroin-addicted, bisexual Satan worshiper, he asked people to call him "The Beast 666." Crowley believed that he was literally the antimessiah of the apocalypse.

During the first World War, Crowley transferred his activities to America. The press proclaimed him "the wickedest man in the world." He also spent time in Italy, but was expelled because Italian authorities accused his disciples of sacrificing human infants in occult rituals. According to one source, Crowley resided in the Abbey of Thelema near Cefalu Sicily, and revived ancient Dionysian ceremonies. During a 1921 ritual, he induced a he-goat to copulate with his mistress, then slit the animal's throat at the moment of orgasm.

WAS ALEISTER CROWLEY JUST A 'CLOSET' FREEMASON?

Aleister Crowley was very proud of all his accomplishments and connections. He bragged about all of the Masonic medals and insignia that he was entitled to wear.

This view was confirmed when The Arcane Schools of John Yarker came to me for review. I wrote to the author, who recognized my title to the 33° and conferred on me the grades of 95° Memphis and 90° Mizraim. It seemed as if I had somehow turned a tap. From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. I possess more exalted titles than I have ever been able to count. I am supposed to know more secret signs, tokens, passwords, grand words, grips, and so on, than I could actually learn in a dozen lives. An elephant would break down under the insignia I am entitled to wear.

Here we see 33° Aleister Crowley in all of his Masonic regalia:

PAST GRAND MASTER ALEISTER CROWLEY

FRATER SUPERIOR BAPHOMET XI°

CROWLEY'S DOCTRINE

We find in the next quotes, the 'doctrine' of Aleister Crowley from MAGICK in Theory and Practice, by The Master Therion (Aleister Crowley):

But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best.

The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony--thus, by sacrifcing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars. In such acase a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin--the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.

From The Book of the Law, by Aleister Crowley:

With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross......

There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.


Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord

ALEISTER CROWLEY WAS AN INTERNATIONAL MASON

Crowley was truly an international Mason. He received his 33° in Mexico City and spoke of participating in Masonic rituals in the United States and also was involved in other rites of Freemasonry. Not only was Crowley a 33° Grand Inspector General of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, but he was also involved in other rites of Freemasonry that went even deeper into the occult. The Rite of Memphis contained Masonic rituals with a definite Egyptian flavor.

By the end of 1910, thanks to my relations with the Grand Hierophant 97° of the Rite of Memphis (a post held after his death by Dr. Gerard Encausse ['Papus'], Theodor Reuss ['Merlin'], and myself), I was now a sort of universal inspector-general of the various rites, charged with the secret mission of reporting on the possibility of reconstructing the entire edifice, which was universally recognized by all its more intelligent members as threatened with the gravest danger.

[eternal_spirit]

Even for a man like Crowley who was obsessed with the occult, the rituals of Freemasonry provided a profound occult thrill.

I supposed myself to have reached the summit of success when I restored the Secret Word of the Royal Arch. In this case, tradition had preserved the Word almost intact.

Were Aleister Crowley and his followers or perhaps a similar group capable of performing acts and rituals that are comparable to what are described by satanic ritual abuse survivors. The following quotes are from a book entitled, Secrets of the German Sex Magicians. This book talks about the ritual use of pain and attributes to Crowley the most perverted of practices such as bestiality and the ritual consumption of body fluids.

The ritual use of pain and agony as an access mode to trance and magical power does have its limits, though. For one thing, physical pain tends to dull the senses in the long run, so that stimuli have to be increased incessantly. This may quite easily lead to grave bodily harm, not to mention the fact that it can become downright addictive and lead to a kindled frenzy not very easily mastered.

Crowley, in fact, trod in his practice a path similar to that of the more materialistic authorities. Although he positively encouraged ejaculatory orgasm in his sex magic, he always made a point of consuming what he called the "elixir" afterwards. He understood this elixir to be the mixture of the sexual fluids of both partners or, in the masturbatory act, as just the semen. He entered very carefully in his the magical diaries a description of the elixir's consistency and taste, and he even recorded the prophecies which he deduced from these data.

And Crowley's practices go on to be even more disgusting.

Coprophagia, which means consumption of excrement, here also includes consumption of other secretions such as urine and sweat. It was ritually practiced from early times on the sympathetic-magic principle that the secretions of any entity contain part of its magis. Crowley, for example, occasionally offered his disciples in Cefalu the excretement of a goat. This frequently met with no small disapproval!

Crowley performed a similar ritual in his Sicilian Abbey of Thelema, during which his Scarlet Woman was to be mounted by a goat which would be beheaded during the climax.

There exists today a secret society that dedicates itself to carrying on the teachings of Aleister Crowley. This group is called the O.T.O.. The O.T.O. was founded earlier this century by high grade Austrian Freemason Karl Kellner and German Freemason Theodor Reuss. The O.T.O. became a major force in the occult world when Aleister Crowley became its leader.

[clozaril]

never read any of his books.

he comes across, as OTO does, as a major contributor to the world we are living in through chris evereds illuminati dvd.

there is a channel 4 docu about him, mentioned quite a bit about his time in italy. though it concudes that he died penniless in hastings or bournmouth, can't remember which.

quite a life

[thirdwave]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Magick-Theory-Practice-Aleister-Crowley/dp/1555217664/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208385278&sr=8-2

[peachped]

"During a 1921 ritual, he induced a he-goat to copulate with his mistress, then slit the animal's throat at the moment of orgasm."

I doubt it somehow. It's a load of bollocks.

[thirdwave]

much of what he was meant to have done was bullshit.... Mussolini booted him out of Italy for a load of shit.... what do you think the media done as well?

He was not a saint and was a mess in his later years, but I don't listen to any of the shit said about him, especially when the Christians go on at him highlighting quotes taken out of context..so on...

I make judgement by his works and that alone.

[monkfish]

much of what he was meant to have done was bullshit.... Mussolini booted him out of Italy for a load of shit.... what do you think the media done as well?

He was not a saint and was a mess in his later years, but I don't listen to any of the shit said about him, especially when the Christians go on at him highlighting quotes taken out of context..so on...

I make judgement by his works and that alone.
He once told the press " i have sacrificed hundreds of children during my magic" -Play on words meaning wanking off.

According to something i saw and read, it was he who introduced the V for victory hand signal to winston churchill as a inverted shwasticka

He also got his wife possessed in cairo while still a member of the golden dawn

Lovley bloke though

[thirdwave]

In all honesty I don't even care if he was evil.... not bothered... You can still learn something from evil people... in fact drawing a line on who you can and cant learn something off is just not trusting your self.

that being said after reading his works I am convinced that %90 of what is written about him is utter shite.

the fact is, even if people want to call him evil, it does not matter because his teachings did not make out he was good or bad, he did not claim to be good.... and he did not try to make people think how he did, in fact showed a disrespect for people who would "follow him".... there was no manipulation to it... in fact he taught people that what you put out, you get back..... you create your world but when you do you got to face it...

basically his stuff should have had a "Spiritual 18" certificate on it.

The main reason I was interested in reading some of his stuff was how so many objected to him and got offended ... it made me understand why he just wound them up and got fed up with them.... and drew me to him more..

[ekx_dissillusioned]

In all honesty I don't even care if he was evil.... not bothered... You can still learn something from evil people... in fact drawing a line on who you can and cant learn something off is just not trusting your self.



Couldn't agree with you more

[mondo23]

Read Perdurabo by Richard Kaszinski. It is THE best and probably most well researched book on the life of Crowley. It dispelled any preconceived ideas I had about him. He is very much misunderstood. His work can be valuable for some people.

[quickening666]

I have a lot of respect for Crowley. In fact one of my favourite books is his "Book of Thoth". He was by no means the perfect man (who is?) but the stories that make him so infamous were and are greatly exadurrated. If it wasn't for Crowley, we wouldn't have most of the various "magic" practises we have today. Which is ironic because a lot of people from various belief systems (especially Wicca), despise the man not understanding the important role he played.

[thirdwave]

I have a lot of respect for Crowley. In fact one of my favourite books is his "Book of Thoth". He was by no means the perfect man (who is?) but the stories that make him so infamous were and are greatly exadurrated. If it wasn't for Crowley, we wouldn't have most of the various "magic" practises we have today. Which is ironic because a lot of people from various belief systems (especially Wicca), despise the man not understanding the important role he played.

We must also look at what the word would be like if the 60s had not happened.... and we all know what the 60s was and who was very inspirational in that movement.

[thirdwave]

that fact this thread has been moved to the Satanism / Child abuse is a perfect example of how other create the picture of him.

He was not a Satanist.. and he did not abuse children, yet here the thread is...


Read Perdurabo by Richard Kaszinski. It is THE best and probably most well researched book on the life of Crowley. It dispelled any preconceived ideas I had about him. He is very much misunderstood. His work can be valuable for some people.



bugger!... £134.62 on Amazon!!

funny how all the good books are now out of print and cost a fortune!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/202-7829229-1620637?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Perdurabo%3A+The+Life+of+Aleister+Crowley&Go.x=7&Go.y=11&Go=Go

[jennf]

Hello Everyone :)

Not sure if you are aware of this fact, but here it is anyway for your consideration, it is on Pauline Pierce (Barbara Bush's mother) if you already know sorry!

http://cantontruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-occultist-aleister-crowley-george.html

and the 3rd and 4th news items on this page

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&rlz=1T4SUNA_en___GB218&q=pauline+pierce&as_ldate=1896&as_hdate=1949&um=1&ie=UTF-8&scoring=t&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=title

Here is one of the above pages for quick link

http://www.truthalliance.net/News/CommunityPublications/Vault/tabid/76/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/336/Default.aspx

[thirdwave]

Yeah I have read all about this and I have to say she looks very much like him, It could quite possibly be true...

But I'm not sure what that means.... we already know he was sex mad and was in several secret societies.

Lady Diana had sex with Prince Charles... what does that mean?

[mondo23]

that fact this thread has been moved to the Satanism / Child abuse is a perfect example of how other create the picture of him.

He was not a Satanist.. and he did not abuse children, yet here the thread is...






bugger!... £134.62 on Amazon!!

funny how all the good books are now out of print and cost a fortune!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/202-7829229-1620637?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Perdurabo%3A+The+Life+of+Aleister+Crowley&Go.x=7&Go.y=11&Go=Go

134.62?!!!! There are copies of it in my local Waterstones for 12 quid or whatever the cover price is. I got mine from amazon for about 6 quid a few years ago. The price may have rocketed as I heard New Falcon have gone under or something. Shame as everything they ever published is brilliant.

[thirdwave]

134.62?!!!! There are copies of it in my local Waterstones for 12 quid or whatever the cover price is. I got mine from amazon for about 6 quid a few years ago. The price may have rocketed as I heard New Falcon have gone under or something. Shame as everything they ever published is brilliant.

I will check waterstones next time i see one...

does seem odd its hard to track it!

[krakhead]

134.62?!!!! There are copies of it in my local Waterstones for 12 quid or whatever the cover price is. I got mine from amazon for about 6 quid a few years ago. The price may have rocketed as I heard New Falcon have gone under or something. Shame as everything they ever published is brilliant.

£250 for a signed copy? http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?sortby=3&sts=t&tn=Perdurabo&x=77&y=18 (towards bottom of the page)

New Falcon are having trouble since Christopher S. Hyatt died recently, not quite sure what it all entails though. I agree that they produced some great books, you never know, they may get it all back in order again soon.

I have read several Crowley books and have found them all useful in one way or another. My favourite would be "Diary of a Drug Fiend".

[david numen]

I started a thread about this but didn't get many replies. This is a matter of concern for me. Last year my brother-in-law had a heart attack - he was literally seconds from death and it was, by the doctor's admission, sheer good luck that he survived.

We were talking about deaht-bed visions and the like when it came out that my brother-in-law had a near death experience. During this he saw various family members but one man in particular was beckoning him - one man he kind of recognised but didn't know. A couple of weeks later he asked one of his daughters to look up an album cover and pointed out to one figure and said that was who he saw when he had his NDE...the cover was Sgt Pepper and the figure was Crowley.

My brother-in-law is Spanish although he lived in Britain for 20 years however I am 100% sure he would not have heard of Crowley before so it's very strange that he should have seen him.

The only reply I had from someone here was that Crowley was basically hugely misunderstood and was a wonderful human being and I had nothing to worry about...sorry but I am not convinced. He played up to his image way too much for someone who was innocent of many of the reports about him.

[eternal_spirit]

That's interesting David.

Crowley Freemason, Satanist, MI6

The title of the thread is for anyone who's reading it a BIG clue!

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley learned ritual magic from the man who was renown as the master of his day, MacGregor Mathers. The pupil-student relationship soon turned into a bitter rivalry and resulted literally in a Black Magic war. When Mathers died in 1918 many of his friends were convinced that Crowley was responsible for his death. Mathers, also a Freemason, introduced Crowley to an occult organization called the "Golden Dawn" and helped Crowley along his dark walk on the Egyptian Masonic road.

Mathers and his wife Moina, the sister of the philosopher Henri Bergson, lived in Paris. (Mathers tried to convert Bergson to magic, but without success.) Their house was decorated as an Egyptian temple and they celebrated 'Egyptian Masses', invoking the goddess Isis. Mathers officiated in a long white robe, a metal belt engraved with the signs of the zodiac, bracelets round his wrists and ankles, and a leopard-skin slung across his shoulders. He was convinced that he was descended from the Scottish clan MacGregor and took to calling himself MacGregor Mathers, Chevalier MacGregor and Comte de Glenstrae. W. B. Yeats, whose magical name in the Golden Dawn was Daemon est Deus Inversus (The Devil is God Reversed), was a frequent visitor to the Mathers household in Paris.

One of the most talked about Satanic groups in recent years has been The Temple of Set headed by Michael Aquino.

The brand of Satanism that is practiced by Michael Aquino and the Temple of Set is thoroughly Egyptian. In the book, The Book of Coming Forth by Night (1985) Aquino describes what seems to be a call to start the Church of Satan and speaks in the first person as Set, the Egyptian Satan.

The Equinox has succumbed to my Solstice, and I, Set, am revealed in my Majesty....I am the ageless Intelligence of this Universe...and from my manifest semblance, which alone is not of Earth. Known as the Hebrew Satan, I chose to bring forth a Magus, according to the fashion of my Word. He was charged to form a Church of Satan, that I might easily touch the minds of men in this age they had cast for me.

The accusation of child abuse and molestation against Aquino was made in 1988 by Sandi Gallant of the San Francisco Police Department, thus placing another link between Egyptian style Satanism and Satanic Ritual Abuse. The accusations surfaced concerning the day care center at the Presidio military installation and were as follows:

Children said they were taken by day to private homes, including two on army property, where they had been sexually molested............

Other children talked about a "googoo" game in which they were urinated and defecated on by a "Mr. Gary".... Pencils were used to doodle on the skin and genitals of the children and were also inserted in a child anus.....

A gun was pointed at the head of another adult in front of the children......

There were five confirmed cases among the children of chlamydia, a sexually transmitted illness.

Although no formal charges were filed against Aquino, there were certainly some interesting twists to the case. His repeated claims of innocence to many were hollow cries. There are some similarities in the accusations against the day care center when compared to the recent disclosures of children that we have been in contact with.

It is not clear how long the army has known about Aquino's peculiar genus of satanism. But the San Francisco police have been exceptionally interested since about 1980. The interest crested in November 1987 when police raided a house where a three-year-old girl told police she had been molested by a sinister-looking man named "Mickey" who snapped pictures of her in the bathtub and sexually mistreated her in a room with black walls and a cross etched on the ceiling. The girl later spotted "Mickey" in the PX at the Presidio army base in San Francisco, where Aquino was stationed. The girl said she thought "Mickey" was Aquino. The girl also said she recognized Mrs. Aquino. Meanwhile, authorities had found evidence of ongoing child abuse at the Presidio day care center. A three-year-old had also been molested, and the cops turned up six cases of sexually transmitted infection in fifty-eight other charges at the center. A thirty-four-year-old civilian day-care worker at the Presidio facility, who was also a Southern Baptist minister was arrested. At first, the charges were dismissed. But subsequently, Hambright was indicted anew on twelve counts of sodomy, oral copulation, and lewd conduct. Hambright later died of AIDS.

Albert Churchward in his book, The Arcana of Freemasonry, confirms that Set is the Egyptian name for Satan.

That Sut or Set was first primary god of the Egyptians, but was god of the South Pole, or Southern Hemisphere, is amply proved and borne out by the monuments as well as the Ritual. Set or Sut, according to Plutarch, is the Egyptian name of Typhon--i.e. Satan of the Christian Cult. (Excerpt from The Egyptian-Masonic-Satanic Connection by David L. Carrico)

[eternal_spirit]

MASONIC USE OF THE WINGED-SUN-DISK

Upon achieving the 32 degree, the Mason is given Albert Pike's Morals and

Dogma. It is now from the Pope of Masonry, Albert Pike, that the Mason learns that

Phallic worship is the true worship of Masonry. However, an examination of Phallic

worship, which is the worship of the regenerative parts is the same as sun worship, the

sun being the symbol of regeneration.18 The worship of the sun has often been sexual

in its ritual. The Elysian fields that the Sun Trinity-the Winged Solar Disk represents are

sexual rituals. Masonry itself claims to perpetuate the ancient mysteries of Isis and Osiris,

Tammuz and Baal19 which are Sun religions that ultimately are derived from a single

common origin. From Fritz Springmeier's Be Wise As Serpents



The Great Pyramid is important to Masons according to Masonic sources because:

a. An initiate (then and now) after entering the Great Pyramid leaves as a god. (light—

bearer/godhood on chart)

b. The Great Pyramid is said to be prophetic when its passageways are

measured. (wisdom)

c. Sun worshippers built the Great Pyramid.(sun worship)

d. All pyramids are said to emit special energy.

e. Pyramids are an architectural picture of an ascended flame to heaven.(fire)

f. The pyramid's upward triangle shape stands for the male generative principle.


http://www.iranchamber.com/culture/a...rcumcision.php (http://www.iranchamber.com/culture/articles/rituals_of_circumcision.php)





From Fritz Springmeier's Be Wise As Serpents
More on Fritz below
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23543

[eternal_spirit]

The only good he did was to promote his fellow Satanists, Illuminati Elite mason buddies and New Age(old age hinduism pick and mix religions etc) and the disinformation about ET propaganda. All this was and is used to mislead truth seekers.

MI5/CIA intelligence agencies promoted and had Crowley as one among many of their agents pushing this New Age Religion and 60's ( which started much earlier they tried it in the 20's ) drug and hippie culture. It's know as "Culture Creators" TPTB give us our "Cultures." Usually wolves in sheeps clothing

Crowley being on the Sgt Pepper album cover is probably to do with most famous musicians were and are members of (OTO Ordo Templi Orientis) Crowley being head of this masonic order who were involved in dark rituals. Why do you think The Beatles got knighted or awared OBE's or what ever they got off the Queen of England!

The OTO was also used to promote The New Age( mostly ancient Hinduism a very sick religion with it's caste system and ascended masters probably demons.

Although there is a story that the "secret chiefs who channeled/dictated via automatic writing ( possession ) or by telepathic means, where actually High ranked Freemasons in some cases that; Blavatski, Crowley and his wife, Theosophists etc channeled/communed with.

With the drug culture of the 60's which was a way for the Elite drug companys, to get people hooked on heroin then they could sell them over the counter prescriptions of valium once addicted, to control the people.

LSD was used to create false spiritual experiences ( hallucanations paired with electronic devices that can emit "3d like realistic/holographic looking images") People would go to meditation/yoga classes etc, and follow their Guru's teachings.

Unknown to them there was electronic devices beaming in visions and voices into their minds, thinking they where "Angels/spirits,Gods and godesses etc." So, many became unwitting recruits for the false New Age spiritual movement. Thus taking away their Political clout add drugs to this and the cases of those after taking LSD became drug induced shizophrenics.

[eternal_spirit]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8346/sampleje2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

So now, let me introduce the most popular black magician (together with L. Ron Hubbard ( on the right ) the founder of the Church of Scientology) of today. In the middle Jack Parsons ex Rocket Scientist? Where all buddies...

[eternal_spirit]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8457/lamenmedqw3.gif The Logo for the OTO
Notice the dove falling down, symbolic of death and destruction and the eye of Horus Complete with sun rays representing the Sun God Osiris, more Egyptian Brotherhood mystery symbolism.
Maybe the chalice cup is the Holy Grail, representing the Illuminati bloodlines.
The Maltese cross, a symbol of Royalty and the eternal flame on top of the chalice.


The apple, Apple records, the tree of life, the garden of Eden.... brings us back to the Bible yet again. The apple is seen symbolic of the serpent in the garden tempting Eve, the serpent maybe satan, prometheus, (lucifer known as the light bringer cans be interprtted as illuminati=illuminated=enlightened) so many names for one being, or a host of angels or demons.





The apple maybe relates to the secret knowlege of the mystery schools going back before the bible, as the tree of life and the kabbala where part of Solomons teachings, or contained in the Jewish teachings the torah etc. Thus we have solomons seal(star of david) (hexagram) sacred geometry, widely used occult symbol.

Apple computers? Note the apple has a bite taken from it(Adam and Eve took a bite from the apple) representing advanced technological knowledge(Computers)

666..... I think its Hebrew for WWW, relates of course to the Internet! the all seeing eye, could be seen as Big brother gathering personal information on everyone(Super computer named the BEAST) Part of the micro-chipping agenda is to use computers to control peole via the internet, also to be tracked from super computers,

[eternal_spirit]

Do what thou will wasn't what he was about. He was part of the Establishment, mixed with the ruling Elite. There is, was, a pecking order those at the top give out orders to those below. If all was equal why would there been hierachy. The upper classes occupy the highest ranks. His High Freemason associates where all about war. The different sides that fought the wars would have been part of the same societies, lodges etc.

Mind control, possession, vibrational compatibility with evil spirits, sometimes via rituals. This was about control, not about do what thou will. He put love under law. Which could be said to mean, Law has authority over love.

How could he have been an anarchist, when he worked for the establishment. They set up groups to make them appear to be against the system, church etc. When in reality they work for the system, that want's changes in society.

[eternal_spirit]

There are many documented cases, modern times, where Satanists, have confessed to ritual human sacrafice. Mutilated corpses do turn up from time to time, which bare the hall marks of ritual murder. And make news headlines.


Check out the symbols, the hexagram ( hex in one sense measn "Curse" ) main symbol used by the Masons and on the flag of Israel. Isis (IS)is the Ancient Egyptian name for a black-magic sect that worshiped the MOON (symbolism). Did you know that the other two Ancient Egyptian Black-Magic sects were called Ra (sun) and El (saturn) & all together = ISRAEL.

The Druid's would burn people in whicker men made of wood and straw. And allsorts of nasty practices. Churchill and Crowley where on the High druid Council. This is for the ruling Elite bloodlines.

[eternal_spirit]

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5889/crowleyparodyingchurchiyd5.jpg

AC posing as Churchill according to Tsarion, he used to do speeches for Churchill. Was AC Churchill's handler, programmer?

[eternal_spirit]

Is Aleister Crowley the Father of Barbara Bush? (http://truthalliance.net/News/Vault/tabid/67/ArticleType/ArticleView/ArticleID/336/PageID/334/Default.aspx) - Relevance: 6060
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Was Bush the product of some weird ritual to bring forth a demon like child in the Rosmary's baby or moonchild stories.

[eternal_spirit]

His "Scarlet Women", mistresses such as Leah Hirsig whom he called "the Ape of Thoth", were a necessity to Crowley (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/crowley.html), giving rise to a number of illegitimate half-siblings to his daughter with Rose, Nuit Ma Ahathoor Hecate Sappho Jezebel Lilith.
Full article >>> (http://www.byzant.com/Mystical/Biography/Biographies.aspx?id=2)


more on lilith an nuit

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19472&highlight=lilith+nuit

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=eternal_spirit;338712]His "Scarlet Women", mistresses such as Leah Hirsig whom he called "the Ape of Thoth", were a necessity to Crowley (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/crowley.html), giving rise to a number of illegitimate half-siblings to his daughter with Rose, Nuit Ma Ahathoor Hecate Sappho Jezebel Lilith.
Full article > (http://www.byzant.com/Mystical/Biography/Biographies.aspx?id=2)


Hecate

by Guil Jones
Hecate is the Greek goddess of the crossroads. She is most often depicted as having three heads; one of a dog, one of a snake and one of a horse. She is usually seen with two ghost hounds that were said to serve her. Hecate is most often mispercepted as the goddess of witchcraft or evil, but she did some very good things in her time. One such deed was when she rescued Persephone (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/p/persephone.html), (Demeter (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/d/demeter.html)'s daughter, the queen of the Underworld and the maiden of spring), from the Underworld. Hecate is said to haunt a three-way crossroad, each of her heads facing in a certain direction. She is said to appear when the ebony moon shines. http://www.pantheon.org/areas/gallery/mythology/europe/greek/th_hecate.jpg (http://www.pantheon.org/areas/gallery/mythology/europe/greek/hecate.html)



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[eternal_spirit]

The ritual he described was for the magician to stand inside a circle of human babys who where to be sacraficed, so the magican could absorb their pure life force at moment of death to regenerate the magician's body. This is where the blood drinking fits in.

There is a substance known as adrenalchrome which is released by the pineal gland into the blood stream, the more torture, fear and pain the magician can produce for the victim the greater the amount of adrenal chrome produced in the blood! Some Satanists etc are said to be addicted to this type of blood.

Sure you've heard of Madame Bathory who was an Elite French aristocrat , She was said to have sacraficed virgins in attempts to regenerate her ageing body.

Whilst writing of his account on human child sacrafice Crowley used the name Frater Perubo, so most people didn't and wouldn't think he was referring to himself, but some mysterious person named Frater Perubo who performed this ritual human sacrafice 150 times in one year alone!

Those who know this name was a title given to AC for a degree he had reached in the OTO or some degree in another group.

Jewish blood libel, a reality, with documented cases. Well the Black mass and Jewish blood libel are about cursing Christians, what does that mean? They are anti-christ.

The blood libel they choose a Christian child of perfect innocence, but because the victim isn't a Jew, they consider the victim a "goyim" So they don't bury the body same as an animal ( Goyim means cattle bit like sheep means sheeple to the Elite ) With the victims body not being buried, it's left above ground, on a rubbish dump, down an alley, in a field anywhere out in the open, this is how they've been caught, when the victims body has been discovered, all the hall marks of ritual sacrafice are evident, which sometimes has lead to the arrest, trial and prosecution of the murderers, all well documented cases, going way back to th sacrafical days to Bal, Bil the Hebrew cannanite God, throughout history up until modern day.

Although back in the days of Bal ( Bil ) sacraficial rituals may have been done in public as part of a religious, social ritual.
The Romans threw Christians to the Lions, and all sorts of other unspeakable acts have been done in public by many cultures throughout History. The Druids burning the Whicker man, and decorating their altars of stone with victims body parts, do you think these occultists decided to just stop doing this one day? Go figure it's still going on maybe?


It's the life force of the victim also contained in the blood, is what the magician want's...pure prepubescant energy of children's life force to absorb into their own being, depending on the type of ritual different ages, sex, and age are taken into consideration. Or as an offering to demon type gods, to help make them manifest, to do favours for the magician, they are said to feed off the emotional energies created by black magic rituals.


Vampirism and blood letting is another way of sharing life force though blood drinking, without death occuring, but that's another topic in itself.

[eternal_spirit]

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[intruder]

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I've seen an Egyptian figure from a masonic altar giving the same gesture as Barbara. shhhhhhhhhhhhh....bind your tongue! it's a secret!

[eternal_spirit]

I've seen an Egyptian figure from a masonic altar giving the same gesture as Barbara. shhhhhhhhhhhhh....bind your tongue! it's a secret!

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Here's the Greek version same God different place same religion. Harpocrates
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[thirdwave]

I started a thread about this but didn't get many replies. This is a matter of concern for me. Last year my brother-in-law had a heart attack - he was literally seconds from death and it was, by the doctor's admission, sheer good luck that he survived.

We were talking about deaht-bed visions and the like when it came out that my brother-in-law had a near death experience. During this he saw various family members but one man in particular was beckoning him - one man he kind of recognised but didn't know. A couple of weeks later he asked one of his daughters to look up an album cover and pointed out to one figure and said that was who he saw when he had his NDE...the cover was Sgt Pepper and the figure was Crowley.

My brother-in-law is Spanish although he lived in Britain for 20 years however I am 100% sure he would not have heard of Crowley before so it's very strange that he should have seen him.

The only reply I had from someone here was that Crowley was basically hugely misunderstood and was a wonderful human being and I had nothing to worry about...sorry but I am not convinced. He played up to his image way too much for someone who was innocent of many of the reports about him.


Its very easy to research and find the guy to be Satan him self... just flick through google and see all the Christian research.... pages and pages of it... but very few facts.

I think Tsarion is doing a book on Tarrot at some point (if im not mistaken) and he will present his research on him..

[eternal_spirit]

Its very easy to research and find the guy to be Satan him self... just flick through google and see all the Christian research.... pages and pages of it... but very few facts.

I think Tsarion is doing a book on Tarrot at some point (if im not mistaken) and he will present his research on him..
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Your ignorance is beyond comment, but I'll comment anyway. He'd also find pages up on pages of pro Crowley propaganda spiel by Satanists and other assorted dodgy occult types. Plus independant people with no bias to either Satanism or Christianity. You know like our good friend Mr Icke writes much about Crowley et al, or another category which Icke and others would fall into, men of good moral character who want these sickos like Crowley and co to be exposed for what they are.

Read about Black Satanic mass, once you know the score you'll realise why some Christians speak out against Satanism.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ght=black+mass (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5243&highlight=black+mass)

[quickening666]

The only reply I had from someone here was that Crowley was basically hugely misunderstood and was a wonderful human being and I had nothing to worry about...sorry but I am not convinced. He played up to his image way too much for someone who was innocent of many of the reports about him.

Well if you, like others are so desperate to believe that Crowley was evil then why don't you just go ahead and believe it instead of asking people for their opinions?

Taking select photographs from highly photographed people and playing spot the difference with other pictures and photos can prove absolutely anything.

[quickening666]

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Your ignorance is beyond comment, but I'll comment anyway. He'd also find pages up on pages of pro Crowley propaganda spiel by Satanists and other assorted dodgy occult types. Plus independant people with no bias to either Satanism or Christianity. You know like our good friend Mr Icke writes much about Crowley et al, or another category which Icke and others would fall into, men of good moral character who want these sickos like Crowley and co to be exposed for what they are.

Read about Black Satanic mass, once you know the score you'll realise why some Christians speak out against Satanism.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ght=black+mass (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5243&highlight=black+mass)

I watched a talk last night in which the speaker (Dr Stanley Monteith) gave a good talk about the New World Order. But towards the end he started going on about Satanism and Lucifarianism so I switched off. But I instantly thought of you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4124254495665553230&q=Brotherhood+of+Darkness&ei=vnkLSMT4NqfijQKigKm6BA

[eternal_spirit]

I watched a talk last night in which the speaker (Dr Stanley Monteith) gave a good talk about the New World Order. But towards the end he started going on about Satanism and Lucifarianism so I switched off. But I instantly thought of you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4124254495665553230&q=Brotherhood+of+Darkness&ei=vnkLSMT4NqfijQKigKm6BA


Okay, thing that puts me off about some videos is the stupid back ground music which sometimes suddenly becomes real loud and drowns out the speaker. Especially that ominous sounding stuff that's suppossed to add atmosphere. Bit like the Omen films. :rolleyes::eek:

[quickening666]

Okay, thing that puts me off about some videos is the stupid back ground music which sometimes suddenly becomes real loud and drowns out the speaker. Especially that ominous sounding stuff that's suppossed to add atmosphere. Bit like the Omen films. :rolleyes::eek:

Yeah I tend to cringe a lot when watching these kind of things.

[eternal_spirit]

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[eternal_spirit]

_The All Seeing Eye_ (April 1931) by 33 deg. Scottish Rite Masonic writer Manly Palmer Hall. Interesting quotes by Manly Palmer Hall:

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood }"--the "Illustrious" Manly Palmer Hall 33°, _The Secret Teachings of All Ages_, pg. CIV

[eternal_spirit]

Hubbard and Black Magick

The Adeptus Exemptus

"Like surrealism, occultism tries to break the domination of rational philosophy and logic, stressed by Descartes. Occultism is based on the belief in a higher reality of certain forms of association through the cabbala (http://www.mystae.com/streams/gnosis/scripts/kabbalah.html), faith in the power of dream- and trance-images, and in the stream of words uncensored by the intellect."
- P. R. Koenig, "Ecstatic Creation of Culture" (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/ecstasy.txt) "Hubbard had experienced a peculiar hallucination in 1938, while under nitrous oxide during a dental operation. He believed that he had died during the operation and while dead been shown a great wealth of knowledge."
- Tony McClelland, "The Total Freedom Trap"
According to Forrest Ackerman, Hubbard's former literary agent, Hubbard's vision appeared when he "died" on an operating table during the war.
"Basically what he told me was that after he died he rose in spirit form and looked back on the body he had formerly inhabited. Over yonder he saw a fantastic great gate, elaborately carved like something you'd see in Baghdad or ancient China. As he wafted towards it, the gate opened and just beyond he could see a kind of intellectual smorgasbord on which was outlined everything that had ever puzzled the mind of man. All the questions that had concerned philosophers through the ages - When did the world begin? Was there a God? Whither goest we? - were there answered. All this information came flooding into him and while he was absorbing it, there was a sort of flustering in the air and he felt something like a long umbilical cord pulling him back. He was saying 'No, no, not yet!', but he was pulled back anyway. After the gates had closed he realized he had re-entered his body."
"According to Ron, he jumped off the operating table, ran to his Quonset hut, got two reams of paper and a gallon of scalding black coffee and for the next 48 hours, at a blinking rate, he wrote a work called Excalibur, or The Dark Sword"
Hubbard "said that as he shopped the manuscript around, the people who read it either went insane or committed suicide. The last time he showed it to a publisher, he was sitting in an office waiting for a reader to give his opinion. The reader walked into the office, tossed the manuscript on the desk and then threw himself out of the window."
"He said it was in a bank vault and it was going to stay there. I think he was quite sincere. He seemed like a man who had seen too many people go crazy or commit suicide, who had enough on his conscience already. I never did get to see the manuscript or show it to any publisher. In fact, I never encountered anyone who said they had seen it."
- Forrest Ackerman
Art Burks, a fellow writer, did see the manuscript, but in 1938.
"He told me it was going to revolutionize everything: the world, people's attitudes to one another. He thought it would have a greater impact upon people than the Bible."
- Art Burks
"Burk's recollection of the manuscript was that it was about seventy thousand words long and began with a fable about a king who gathered all his wise men together and commanded them to bring him all the wisdom of the world in five hundred books. He then told them to go away and condense the information into one hundred books. When they had done that, he wanted the wisdom reduced into one book and finally one word. That word was 'survive'."
- Russell Miller, Bare-Faced Messiah

Yes, There Was a Book Called "Excalibur" by L. Ron Hubbard (http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/%7Ecowen/essays/burks.html)
Arthur Burks recalls many fascinating details in the unpublished novel "Hubbard had clear connections to the occult. Even in the first publication of Dianetics in 'Astounding Science Fiction' [May 1950 p. 66], Hubbard in explaining how he did his 'research' into what the mind was doing, says he used 'automatic writing, speaking and clairvoyance'."
- Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare"
"Scientology bears substantial resemblance to much other contemporary trance channeled material."
- Dissertation Abstracts, 1954, volume 14, page 390
"Hubbard's intense curiosity about the mind's power led him into a friendship in 1946 [actually August 1945] with rocket fuel scientist John Whiteside Parsons. Parsons was a protege of British satanist Aleister Crowley and leader of a black-magic group modeled after Crowley's infamous occult lodge in England.
- "LRH, the story of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology", St. Petersburg Times, June 24, 1990
"Parsons and Hubbard lived in an aging mansion on South Orange Grove Avenue in Pasadena, Calif. The estate was home to an odd mix of Bohemian artists, writers, scientists and occultists. A small domed temple supported by six stone columns stood in the back yard.
"Hubbard met his second wife, Sara Northrup, at the mansion. Although she was Parsons' lover at the time, Hubbard was undeterred. He married Northrup before divorcing his first wife."
- "LRH, the story of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology", St. Petersburg Times, June 24, 1990
"Although he [Hubbard] has no formal training in Magick, he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce that he is in direct contact with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel ... He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met, and is in complete accord with our own principles ... I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty [Sara Northrup] and I are the best of friends there is little loss. I cared for her rather deeply, but I have no desire to control her emotions, and I can, I hope, control my own. I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind..."
- Parsons in a letter to Crowley (late 1945)
"Long before the 1960s counterculture, some residents of the estate smoked marijuana and embraced a philosophy of promiscuous, ritualistic sex."
- - "LRH, the story of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology", St. Petersburg Times, June 24, 1990
Aleister Crowley had sought to bring into being an Anti-Christ:
A "living being in form resembling man, and possessing those qualities of man which distinguish him from beasts, namely intellect and power of speech, but neither begotten in the manner of human generation, nor inhabited by a human soul."
- Aleister Crowley, The Book of the Law
"The core of this Working consisted of the utilisation of the Enochian Tablet of Air, or rather a specific angle of it. This was to be the focus of VIII* sexual magick, with the purpose of giving substance to the elemental summons. Parsons continued with this for eleven days, evoking twice daily. He noted various psychic phenomena during this period, but felt discouraged by the apparent failure of the Operation. However, success followed several days later."
- Michael Staley, "The Babalon Working (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/staley11.htm)"

"The feeling of tension and unease continued for four days. Then on January 18 [1946] at sunset, whilst the Scribe and I were on the Mojave Desert, the feeling of tension suddenly stopped. I turned to him and said 'it is done', in absolute certainty that the Operation was accomplished. I returned home, and found a young woman [Marjorie Cameron] answering the requirements waiting for me. She is describable as an air of fire type with bronze red hair, fiery and subtle, determined and obstinate, sincere and perverse, with extraordinary personality, talent and intelligence. During the period of January 19 to February 27 I invoked the Goddess BABALON [a particular aspect of the Egyptian goddess Nuit] with the aid of magical partner (Ron Hubbard), as was proper to one of my grade."
- Parsons in a letter to Crowley (late 1945)
Reportedly the words of Babalon, consisting of 77 short verses, communicated to Parsons by unknown means in the Mohave desert at the end of February, "[B]Liber 49 contains instructions for the earthing of this Babalon current in the form of an avatar, daughter or manifestation of Babalon, who was to appear amongst us. It would seem that Parsons was expecting a full-blown incarnation, and not simply the inauguration of a force."
- Michael Staley, "The Babalon Working (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/staley11.htm)"
"With the assistance of his new friend [L. Ron Hubbard], he [Jack Parsons] intended to try and create a 'moonchild' - a magical child 'mightier than all the kings of the earth', whose birth had been prophesied in the Book of the Law more than forty years earlier."
- Russell Miller, Bare-Faced Messiah

"The Aeon of Horus is of the nature of a child. To perceive this, we must conceive of the nature of a child without the veil of sentimentality - beyond good and evil, perfectly gentle, perfectly ruthless, containing all possibilities within the limits of heredity, and highly susceptible to training and environment. But the nature of Horus is also the nature of force - blind, terrible, unlimited force."
- Aleister Crowley (unpublished paper)
"On March 1 and 2, 1946, I prepared the altar and equipment in accordance with the instructions in Liber 49. The Scribe, Ron Hubbard, had been away about a week, and knew nothing of my invocation of BABALON, which I had kept entirely secret. On the night of March 2 he returned, and described a vision he had had that evening, of a savage and beautiful woman riding naked on a great cat-like beast. He was impressed with the urgent necessity of giving me some message or communication. We prepared magically for this communication, constructing a temple at the altar with the analysis of the key word. He was robed in white, carrying a lamp; and I in black, hooded, with the cup and dagger. At his suggestion we played Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead as background music, and set an automatic recorder to transcribe audible occurrences. At approximately 8 am he began to dictate, I transcribing directly as I received."
- Parsons in a letter to Crowley (late 1945)
On March 2, 1946, Hubbard, Parsons and Marjorie Cameron, the "scarlet women" engaged in sexual rites in the Ordo Templi Orientis lodge in South Orange California. Hubbard, as scribe, intoned:
"Make a box of blackness at ten o'clock. Smear the vessel which contains flame with thine own blood. Destroy at the altar a thing of value. Remain in perfect silence and heed the voice of our Lady. Speak not of this ritual or of her coming to any person...
"Display thyself to Our Lady; dedicate thy organs to Her, dedicate thy heart to Her, dedicate thy mind to Her, dedicate thy soul to Her, for She shall absorb thee, and thou shalt become living flame before She incarnates..."
- Russell Miller, Bare-Faced Messiah
"The neighbors began protesting when the rituals called for a naked pregnant woman to jump nine times through fire in the yard."
- L. Sprague de Camp (science-fiction author who knew both Hubbard and Parsons)

"Apparently Parsons or Hubbard or somebody is producing a Moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts."
- Aleister Crowley, in a letter to the head of the OTO in the U.S.
"After the Babalon Working had been concluded, all that Parsons could do was watch and wait. He had been told that the Operation had succeeded, that conception had occurred, and that in due course the avatar or Daughter of Babalon would come to him, bearing a secret sign that Parsons alone would recognise, and which would prove her authenticity. Hubbard, though, had rather more mundane considerations on his mind, and several weeks later he and Betty absconded with a vast amount of Parsons' money. This amounted to many thousands of dollars as an investment in Allied Enterprises, a fund set up by Parsons, Betty and Hubbard, and into which Parsons was pursuaded to sink most of his savings."
- Michael Staley, "The Babalon Working (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/staley11.htm)"

"About J.W.P. - all that I can say is that I am sorry - I feel sure that he had fine ideas, but he was led astray firstly by Smith [former head of the Agapé Lodge of the O.T.O. in California], then he was robbed of his last penny by a confidence man named Hubbard."
- Aleister Crowley, in a letter to Louis T. Culling (October 1946)
"Hubbard and Parsons finally had a falling out over a sailboat sales venture [Allied Enterprises] that ended in a court dispute between the two. In later years, Hubbard tried to distance himself from his embarrassing association with Parsons, who was founder of a government rocket project at the California Institute of Technology that later evolved into the famed Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Parsons died in 1952 when a chemical explosion ripped through his garage lab."
"Hubbard insisted that he had been working undercover for Naval Intelligence to break up black magic in America and to investigate links between the occultists and prominent scientists at the Parsons' mansion. Hubbard said the mission was so successful that the house was razed and the black-magic group was dispersed. But Parsons' widow, Cameron, disputed Hubbard's account in a brief interview with the Los Angeles Times. She said the two men 'liked each other very much' and 'felt they were ushering in a force that was going to change things'."
- "LRH, the story of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology", St. Petersburg Times, June 24, 1990
"Hubbard continued the practice of Magick after leaving Parsons....The 'Affirmations' are voluminous. The introduction alone runs to thirty pages. They are in Ron Hubbard's own hand. Only a tiny portion was read into the court record [during the Armstrong case], and the originals were held under court seal. In the 'Affirmations' Hubbard hypnotized himself to believe that all of humanity and all discarnate beings were bound to him in slavery. Mary Sue Hubbard's attorney claimed these statements were part of Hubbard's 'research'.
"Also under court seal was a document with the tantalizing title 'the Blood Ritual'. The title was Hubbard's own. This document was apparently so sensitive that no part of it was read into the record. The Scientology lawyer asserted that the deity invoked in 'The Blood Ritual' is an Egyptian god of Love.
Parson had mentioned Hubbard's guardian angel, 'The Empress'. Nibs Hubbard says his father also called his guardian angel Hathor, or Hathoor. Hathor is an Egyptian goddess, the daughter and mother of the great sun god Amon-Ra, the principal Egyptian deity. She was depicted as a winged and spotted cow feeding humanity; a goddess of Love and Beauty. But she had a second aspect, not always mentioned in texts on Egyptian mythology, that of the 'avenging lioness', Sekmet, a destructive force. One authority has called her 'the destroyer of man'. This is the 'God of Love' to whom 'The Blood Ritual' ceremony was dedicated. Since doing my research I have seen a copy of 'The Blood Ritual', and it is indeed addressed to Hathor. Nuit, Re, Mammon and Osiris are also invoked. The ceremony consisted of Ron and his then wife mingling their blood to become one."
"Arthur Burks has left an account of a meeting with Hubbard before the Second War, where Hubbard said that his guardian angel, a 'smiling woman', protected him when he was flying gliders. One early Dianeticist asked Hubbard how he had managed to write Dianetics: the Modern Science of Mental Health in three weeks. Hubbard said it was produced through automatic writing, dictated by an entity called the 'Empress'. In Crowley's Tarot, the Empress card represents, among other things, debauchery, and Crowley also associated the card with Hathor.
"To Crowley, Babalon was a manifestation of the Hindu goddess Shakti, who in one of her aspects is also called the 'destroyer of man'. It seems that to Hubbard, Babalon, Hathor, and the Empress were synonymous, and he was trying to conjure his 'Guardian Angel' in the form of a servile homunculus to he could control the 'destroyer of man'.
"There was also a correspondence between Diana and Isis to Crowley, and the Empress card represented not only Hathor, but Isis, in Crowley's system. Diana is the patroness of witchcraft. Hubbard later called one of his daughters Diana, and the name of the first Sea Org yacht was changed from Enchanter to Diana."
- Jon Atack, A Piece of Blue Sky

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Use of Magick in Scientology

"The whole and sole object of all true magickal training is to become free from every kind of limitation."
- Aleister Crowley, Magick in Theory and Practice
"Our whole activity tends to make an individual completely independent of any limitation."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course lecture (December, 1952)
"Conventional religions, with their colorful mythologies analyzed in terms of the underlying philosophical principles, represent simply the primitive longing of man to feel 'at one' with the Universal harmony he perceives about him. 'White' magic, as advocated by primitive pagan and modern institutional religions, offers devotees the illusion of 're-inclusion' in the Universal scheme of things through various ritualistic devotions and superstitions.
"The Black Magician, on the other hand, rejects both the desirability of union with the Universe and any self-deceptive antics designed to create such an illusion. He has considered the existence of the individual psyche - the 'core you' of your conscious intelligence - and has taken satisfaction from its existence as something unlike anything else in the Universe. The Black Magician desires this psyche to live, to experience, and to continue. He does not wish to die - or to lose his consciousness and identity in a larger, Universal consciousness [assuming that such exists]. He wants to be."
-- John Youril, "The Temple of Set FAQ"
Hubbard defines operating thetan (http://www.mystae.com/streams/gnosis/terms.html#OT), a spiritual being freed by Scientology practices as "an individual who could *operate* totally independently of his body whether he had one or didn't have one. He's now himself, he's not dependent on the universe around him."
- Scientology Technical Dictionary
"In the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures taped in 1952, Hubbard discusses occult magic of the middle ages, and recommends a current book - 'it's fascinating work in itself, and that's work written by Aleister Crowley, the late Aleister Crowley, my very good friend.' The book recommended was The Master Therion, (published in London in 1929) later re-released as Magick in Theory and Practise. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. asserts that during the time when the Philadelphia course was given his father would read Crowley's works 'in preparation for the next day's lecture...'
- Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare"

"...In these runes I are mysteries that no Beast shall divine. Let him not seek to try: But one cometh after him . . . who shall discouer the key to it all?"
- Aleister Crowley, The Book of the Law
"According to Ron Jr., his father considered himself to be the one 'who came after'; that he was Crowley's successor; that he had taken on the mantle of the 'Great Beast'. He told him that Scientology actually began on December the Ist, 1947. This was the day Aleister Crowley died."
- Brent Corydon, Messiah or Madman
"There are interesting similarities between Crowley's writings and the teachings of Hubbard. Dianetics' Time Track, in which every incident in a person's life is chronologically recorded in full in the mind, is quite similar to Crowley's Magical Memory. The Magical Memory is developed over time until ''memories of childhood reawaken which were previously forgotten, and memories of previous incarnations are recalled as well'. Hubbard gives examples in the Philadelphia Doctorate Course of several people remembering lives earlier on earth, some up to a million years ago. The similarity between the Magical Memory and Time Track, then, is that they both can recall every past incident in a person's life, they both can recall incidents from past lives, and they both must be developed by certain techniques in order to make use of them. Both Hubbard and Crowley consider it important to have the person recall his or her birth."
- Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare"

"Having allowed the mind to return for some hundred times to the hour of birth, it should be encouraged to endeavour to penetrate beyond that period."
- Aleister Crowley, Magick

"After twenty runs through birth, the patient experienced a recession of all somatics and 'unconsciousness' and aberrative content." "Thus there was no inhibition about looking earlier than birth for what Dianetics had begun to call basic-basic."
- L Ron Hubbard, Dianetics
"Both Hubbard and Crowley are avowedly anti-psychiatry."
- Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare"

"Official psychoanalysis is therefore committed to upholding a fraud...Psychoanalysts have misinterpreted life, and announced the absurdity that every human being is essentially an anti-social, criminal, and insane animal."
- Aleister Crowley, Magick
"Hubbard considered that psychiatry controlled most of society and was struggling to create their own 1984 world. Hubbard and Crowley both posit the ability of the person to leave his or her body at times. Crowley states that the way to learn to leave your body is to mock up a body like your own in front of your physical body. Eventually you will learn to leave your physical body with your 'astral body' and travel and view at will without physical restrictions. Hubbard teaches the same, and his method of "exteriorization" is to tell the person to 'have preclear mock up own body', which will send the person outside his body."
"Both Crowley and Hubbard use an equilateral triangle pointing up in a circle as one of their group's symbols. Both use Volume 0 instead of Volume 1 to begin enumerating their works. One could go on for quite some time listing the similarities between Crowley's and Hubbard's theories and writings, but for more the reader is encouraged to look for him or herself.
"In Crowley's Organization are several grade levels. To reach the Grade of Adeptus Exemptus 'The Adept must prepare and publish a thesis setting forth His knowledge of the Universe, and his proposals for its welfare and progress. He will thus be known as the leader of a school of thought.' [Magick] It is apparent that Hubbard has fulfilled this requirement."
- Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare"




A Hierarchy of Demons

http://www.mystae.com/streams/gnosis/cos.html






http://www.mystae.com/icons/yline.gif Related Sites Factnet Report: Hubbard and the Occult (http://www.users.wineasy.se/noname/occult.htm)
Comprehensive article by Jon Atack revealing the pervasive influence of the occult on Scientology

[damagedbrainn]

_The All Seeing Eye_ (April 1931) by 33 deg. Scottish Rite Masonic writer Manly Palmer Hall. Interesting quotes by Manly Palmer Hall:

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood }"--the "Illustrious" Manly Palmer Hall 33°, _The Secret Teachings of All Ages_, pg. CIV




That wasn't written by Manly P. Hall, he was quoting a ritual from the book The Complete Book of Magic Science by Francis Barrett:

http://www.manlyphall.org/text/ceremonial-magick-and-sorcery/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta24.htm

He used that quote as an example of "black magic", which is the main topic of that particular chapter.

Further quotes from the same chapter:

"Among the Qabbalists of the Middle Ages were a great number of black magicians who strayed from the noble concepts of the Sepher Yetzirah and became enmeshed in demonism and witchcraft. They sought to substitute magic mirrors, consecrated daggers, and circles spread around posts of coffin nails, for the living of that virtuous life which, without the assistance of complicated rituals or submundane creatures, unfailingly brings man to the state of true individual completion.

Those who sought to control elemental spirits through ceremonial magic did so largely with the hope of securing from the invisible worlds either rare knowledge or supernatural power. The little red demon of Napoleon Bonaparte and the infamous oracular heads of de Medici are examples of the disastrous results of permitting elemental beings to dictate the course of human procedure........

Transcendentalism and all forms of phenomenalistic magic are but blind alleys--outgrowths of Atlantean sorcery; and those who forsake the straight path of philosophy to wander therein almost invariably fall victims to their imprudence. Man, incapable of controlling his own appetites, is not equal to the task of governing the fiery and tempestuous elemental spirits.

Many a magician has lost his life as the result of opening a way whereby submundane creatures could become active participants in his affairs. When Eliphas Levi invoked the spirit of Apollonius of Tyana, what did he hope to accomplish? Is the gratification of curiosity a motive sufficient to warrant the devotion of an entire lifetime to a dangerous and unprofitable pursuit? If the living Apollonius refused to divulge his secrets to the profane, is there any probability that after death he would disclose them to the curious-minded? Levi himself did not dare to assert that the specter which appeared to him was actually the great philosopher, for Levi realized only too well the proclivity of elementals to impersonate those who have passed on. The majority of modern mediumistic apparitions are but elemental creatures masquerading through bodies composed of thought substance supplied by the very persons desiring to behold these wraiths of decarnate beings.

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The most dangerous form of black magic is the scientific perversion of occult power for the gratification of personal desire. Its less complex and more universal form is human selfishness, for selfishness is the fundamental cause of all worldly evil. A man will barter his eternal soul for temporal power, and down through the ages a mysterious process has been evolved which actually enables him to make this exchange."

[damagedbrainn]

Aleister Crowley on "black magick":

From an article in the Sunday Dispatch, July 2, 1933:

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/module-subjects-viewpage-pageid-89.phtml

"Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results -- of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific.

It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure!

To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires.

I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it.

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Through their mediumistic acts, spiritists sometimes get hold of disintegrated pieces of the mental apparatus of a man or woman who has died recently.

The apparatus has lost its guiding control, the spiritual side of a man, and it can be -- and often is -- taken by elemental spirits of evil and turned to any base use.

Spirits are playing with malicious forces.

Witchcraft is a more or less solitary form of black magic.

By working herself into a diabolic ecstasy the witch can achieve success in her schemes. She is willing to sacrifice her first-born, a usual price demanded by the demon, or sell her soul.

And all for what? To stop her neighbour's cows from giving milk; to send a surly enemy to a sick bed.

The effect is completely ridiculous compared with the waste of spiritual forces required to produce it.

The true magician is above spite and venom. He tries to bring about the results for which he is working, not by sudden and disruptive interference with the existing order of things, but by slow natural processes."

[damagedbrainn]

The Left-Hand Path—"The Black Brothers"

From Magick Without Tears:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/mwt/mwt_12.html

"Mark well this first distinction: the "Black Magician" or Sorcerer is hardly even a distant cousin of the "Black Brother." The difference between a sneak-thief and a Hitler is not too bad an analogy.

The Sorcerer may be—indeed he usually is—a thwarted disappointed man whose aims are perfectly natural. Often enough, his real trouble is ignorance; and by the time he has become fairly hot stuff as a Black Magician, he has learnt that he is getting nowhere, and finds himself, despite himself, on the True Path of the Wise.

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The Left-hand Path is a totally different matter. Let us start at the beginning.

You remember my saying that only two operations were possible in Nature: addition and subtraction. Let us apply this to magical progress.

What happens when the Aspirant invokes Diana, or calls up Lilith? He increases the sum of his experiences in these particular ways. Sometimes he has a "liaison-experience," which links two main lines of thought, and so is worth dozens of isolated gains.

Now, if there is any difference at all between the White and the Black Adept in similar case, it is that the one, working by "love under will" achieves a marriage with the new idea, while the other, merely grabbing, adds a concubine to his harem of slaves.

The about-to-be-Black Brother constantly restricts himself; he is satisfied with a very limited ideal; he is afraid of losing his individuality—reminds one of the "Nordic" twaddle about "race-pollution."

Have you seen the sand-roses of the Sahara? Such is the violence of the Khamsin that it whips grains of sand together, presses them, finally builds them into great blocks, big enough and solid enough to be used for walls in the oasis. And beautiful! Whew! For all that, they are not real rocks. Leave hem in peace, with no possible interference—what happens? (I brought some home, and put them "in safety" as curiosities, and as useful psychometrical tests.) Alas! Time is enough. Go to the drawer which held them; nothing remains but little piles of dust.

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[quoting from his The Vision and The Voice]

And this is the meaning of the Supper of the Passover, the spilling of the blood of the Lamb being a ritual of the Dark Brothers, for they have sealed up the Pylon with blood, lest the Angel of Death should enter therein. Thus do they shut themselves off from the company of the saints. Thus do they keep themselves from compassion and from understanding. Accursed are they, for they shut up their blood in their heart.

They keep themselves from the kisses of my Mother Babylon, and in their lonely fortresses they pray to the false moon. And they bind themselves together with an oath, and with a great curse. And of their malice they conspire together, and they have power, and mastery, and in their cauldrons do they brew the harsh wine of delusion, mingled with the poison of their selfishness.

Thus they make war upon the Holy one, sending forth their delusion upon men, and upon everything that liveth. So that their false compassion is called compassion, and their false understanding is called understanding, for this is their most potent spell.

Yet of their own poison do they perish, and in their lonely fortresses shall they be eaten up by Time that hath cheated them to serve him, and by the mighty devil Choronzon, their master, whose name is the second Death, for the blood that they have sprinkled on their Pylon, that is a bar against the Angel Death, is the key by which he entereth in.

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And whoso passeth into the outermost Abyss, except he be of them that understand, holdeth out his hands, and boweth his neck, unto the Chains of Choronzon. And as a devil he walketh about the earth, immortal, and be blasteth the flowers of the earth, and he corrupteth the fresh air, and he maketh poisonous the water; and the fire that is the friend of man, and the pledge of his aspiration, seeing that it mounteth ever up- ward as a Pyramid, and seeing that man stole it in a hollow tube from Heaven, even that fire he turneth into ruin, and madness, and fever, and destruction."

[david numen]

Well if you, like others are so desperate to believe that Crowley was evil then why don't you just go ahead and believe it instead of asking people for their opinions?

I said I wasn't so sure - and from what little I have read on the subject there seems more corroborated factual evidence that Crowley deserved his infamy and claims that he was a super-goody seem to come from rather more unreasoned and rabid people. :)

At the end of the day NOBODY here can REALLY vouch for what Crowley really was like and what his true motivations were - ALL any of us have to go on is the word of others so it comes down to who you believe the most, as with most history.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: damagedbrainn
And whoso passeth into the outermost Abyss, except he be of them that understand, holdeth out his hands, and boweth his neck, unto the Chains of Choronzon. And as a devil he walketh about the earth, immortal, and be blasteth the flowers of the earth, and he corrupteth the fresh air, and he maketh poisonous the water; and the fire that is the friend of man, and the pledge of his aspiration, seeing that it mounteth ever up- ward as a Pyramid, and seeing that man stole it in a hollow tube from Heaven, even that fire he turneth into ruin, and madness, and fever, and destruction."

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http://hem.bredband.net/arenamontanus/Mage/chor.html

Choronzon, also known as 333, Lord of Hallucinations, is one of the most feared umbrood in existence. Many mages have fallen prey to its cunning plans, and its power can't be ignored. It is a preceptor, which some claim is one of the Wyrm's most dangerous servants. Other mages whisper that it is a part of Wyrm capable of independent action. Some mages claim Choronzon is the Wyrm. The truth is not known. Choronzon appears to sometimes be a group of entities, and sometimes a single entity (My name is Legion).
Choronzon is a spirit of dissolution, physical, mental and spiritual. Everything around it will begin to decay. It will do its best to hasten the dissolution of everything it can reach. Matter will slowly dissolve. Living beings will age and sicken. It derails the trains of thought, and turns people insane. In the vicinity of it, nothing remains untainted.
It is said that every mage must some day confront and overcome it in order to ascend. Choronzon will do its best to hinder anybody from reaching Ascension or any other goal. Its greatest triumph is when a mage loses Arete. On December 6, 1909 Aleister Crowley foolishly let himself be possessed by the demon (Se Liber XXX Aerum, The Vision and the Voice, for more detailed descriptions). The end result was close to a disaster, and according to many mages Crowley lost the path towards Ascension.
Choronzon is confused and often quite stupid. But it is also extremely cunning and dangerous. It can manipulate people subtly while appearing to make crude attacks. The demon will almost always retreat from any attack, not even defending itself. But it will never give up, and will reappear later, in a more insidious form. The only thing it cannot abide is order and discipline. Any form of highly ordered thought, speech or behavior is abhorrent to it, and it will flee if possible (unless it could topple the order in a subtle way).
The demon seldom appears threatening to a mage. Instead it appears to be a quite confused and irritating little being, unable to do much harm. In fact, it often behaves entertainingly, incoherently discussing things that seem important to the mage. While the mage listens to the confusing demon, it will slowly plant the seeds of dissolution in the soul of the mage. Choronzon will strengthen the flaws and illusions in the victim, making the victim believe in his own self image. As the demon works on, the mage will be derailed from the path towards Ascension and turned towards dissolution and insanity. A mind infected by Choronzon will slowly decay, and the victim will be a simple matter to possess for the demon, regardless how strong-minded the victim believes he is.
It is thought that Choronzon dwells somewhere near The Horizon, in an area known as the Abyss (Which could be another name for the Deep Umbra). According to some rumors, he must be defeated by anyone venturing out into the Deep Umbra searching for a place among the Oracles.
To summon Choronzon is quite simple, almost any fool with Spirit 2 can do it. It sometimes acts as a kind of freelance paradox spirit, appearing when a mage has used spectacular entropy-prime effects. In many cases it has secretly encouraged the mage to continue, thus spreading entropy even more.
Choronzon very seldom manifests physically, preferring to possess people. It does this with great skill, making his victims think they are in perfect control over their own minds. When it does manifest, it will only appear as a voice. Sometimes it will manifest using many bodies and voices, giving the impression of a great horde of demons.


CHORONOZON (sometimes known as Chronzon)


Choronzon can appear as male, female, both, or neither. Its female form is occasionally referred to as Xaronzon. He has been known to appear as a black snake, fox, or jackal.

Attributes: no own body, Perception 5, Intelligence 1, Wits 5
Abilities: no useful
Background: Arcane 5
Spheres:
Entropy: 5
Life: 4
Mind: 4
Prime: 4
Arete: 5
Willpower: 1
Quintessence: 5
Paradox: -
Typical Effects:
Dissolve Structure (Prime 4 Entropy 3/4/5) Choronzon initiates decay wherever he goes. This effect will make anything start to dissolve into nothing. Most of the time it uses this effect coincidentally, preferring to let dissolution take its time. Sometimes Choronzon dissolves things quickly, often for no reason. The process is subtle, but when initiated it cannot be stopped except by more powerful magick. The dissolution slowly spreads, turning matter into dust which blows away and disappears, killing life and making people slowly go insane.
Dissolve Mind (Entropy 5 Mind 2) Choronzon implants a destructive, irrational or confusing impulse in the mind of someone. This impulse will not go away, but will slowly grow until it becomes an obsession. Usually Choronzon implants distortions in the self image, turning people into unknowing caricatures of themselves. Sons of Ether will slowly become complete egomaniacs. Celestial Chorus will slowly become fanatics. Choronzon will quickly become even more confused.
Sow the Seed of Entropy (Entropy 3/4/5 Prime 2) The demon plants a small entropy seed inside something or someone. Most of the time it will remain there, unchanging but when stressed, it will release its entropy. A rope will suddenly break when someone's life depends on it, a horse will bolt, a mirror will crack and faith will momentarily crumble in a crisis. Choronzon does not have any control over these seeds, but spreads them liberally.
Confused Knowledge (Mind 3) The demon is almost constantly using this effect. It opens the user's mind to every other mind in the area, especially nearby ones. The user will know everything anybody knows, feel every desire and fear and generally understand the secret motivations of people. Unfortunately the user is completely confused, and his own personality and knowledge is submerged. This doesn't matter to Choronzon, who hasn't got much personality in the first place. Using this rote, the demon will always talk about things that interest the listener, have beliefs somewhat like his and a uncanny way of revealing the deepest secrets of a person in an offhand way.

[eternal_spirit]

http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/G/y/2/glossarychoronzon.jpg


Choronzon depicted as the serpent on the tree.
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A Metal Band

http://www.earache.com/news_stories/akercocke/cover400.jpg

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Another band

http://cdbaby.name/c/h/choronzon.jpg
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and Choronzon again
http://courteausculpturestudio.com/Images/gallery/thehorrible/Thumbs/Choronzon2shot.jpg

http://www.absolutearts.com/portfolio3/c/choronzon/Sacred_Never_Final-1046970252.jpg

Don't mess with Choronzon Crowley got screwed by it/him/her

[thirdwave]

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Your ignorance is beyond comment,

lol, classic.

[thirdwave]

ALL any of us have to go on is the word of others so it comes down to who you believe the most, as with most history.

:eek:, not me mate... I go by HIS own rightings... I could not give a toss about what other people say... If i did that I would think that Icke was a crazy man who thinks he is Jesus...

[thirdwave]

The Left-Hand Path—"The Black Brothers"

From Magick Without Tears:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/mwt/mwt_12.html

"Mark well this first distinction: the "Black Magician" or Sorcerer is hardly even a distant cousin of the "Black Brother." The difference between a sneak-thief and a Hitler is not too bad an analogy.

The Sorcerer may be—indeed he usually is—a thwarted disappointed man whose aims are perfectly natural. Often enough, his real trouble is ignorance; and by the time he has become fairly hot stuff as a Black Magician, he has learnt that he is getting nowhere, and finds himself, despite himself, on the True Path of the Wise.

.............

The Left-hand Path is a totally different matter. Let us start at the beginning.

You remember my saying that only two operations were possible in Nature: addition and subtraction. Let us apply this to magical progress.

What happens when the Aspirant invokes Diana, or calls up Lilith? He increases the sum of his experiences in these particular ways. Sometimes he has a "liaison-experience," which links two main lines of thought, and so is worth dozens of isolated gains.

Now, if there is any difference at all between the White and the Black Adept in similar case, it is that the one, working by "love under will" achieves a marriage with the new idea, while the other, merely grabbing, adds a concubine to his harem of slaves.

The about-to-be-Black Brother constantly restricts himself; he is satisfied with a very limited ideal; he is afraid of losing his individuality—reminds one of the "Nordic" twaddle about "race-pollution."

Have you seen the sand-roses of the Sahara? Such is the violence of the Khamsin that it whips grains of sand together, presses them, finally builds them into great blocks, big enough and solid enough to be used for walls in the oasis. And beautiful! Whew! For all that, they are not real rocks. Leave hem in peace, with no possible interference—what happens? (I brought some home, and put them "in safety" as curiosities, and as useful psychometrical tests.) Alas! Time is enough. Go to the drawer which held them; nothing remains but little piles of dust.

..................
[quoting from his The Vision and The Voice]

And this is the meaning of the Supper of the Passover, the spilling of the blood of the Lamb being a ritual of the Dark Brothers, for they have sealed up the Pylon with blood, lest the Angel of Death should enter therein. Thus do they shut themselves off from the company of the saints. Thus do they keep themselves from compassion and from understanding. Accursed are they, for they shut up their blood in their heart.

They keep themselves from the kisses of my Mother Babylon, and in their lonely fortresses they pray to the false moon. And they bind themselves together with an oath, and with a great curse. And of their malice they conspire together, and they have power, and mastery, and in their cauldrons do they brew the harsh wine of delusion, mingled with the poison of their selfishness.

Thus they make war upon the Holy one, sending forth their delusion upon men, and upon everything that liveth. So that their false compassion is called compassion, and their false understanding is called understanding, for this is their most potent spell.

Yet of their own poison do they perish, and in their lonely fortresses shall they be eaten up by Time that hath cheated them to serve him, and by the mighty devil Choronzon, their master, whose name is the second Death, for the blood that they have sprinkled on their Pylon, that is a bar against the Angel Death, is the key by which he entereth in.

................

And whoso passeth into the outermost Abyss, except he be of them that understand, holdeth out his hands, and boweth his neck, unto the Chains of Choronzon. And as a devil he walketh about the earth, immortal, and be blasteth the flowers of the earth, and he corrupteth the fresh air, and he maketh poisonous the water; and the fire that is the friend of man, and the pledge of his aspiration, seeing that it mounteth ever up- ward as a Pyramid, and seeing that man stole it in a hollow tube from Heaven, even that fire he turneth into ruin, and madness, and fever, and destruction."

thanks for this...

[eternal_spirit]

thanks for this...

this is a perfect example of somone reading his works and judging him... and somone else (ES) sending a load of tripe he has found others say about him on the internet... mixed with with more if his complete ignorance when it comes to anything occult related.

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So, you're just calling me names and baiting as usual, and have nothing to add to this thread. I remember last time we debated AC and you couldn't accept that he was a Mason, and said he was against the Establishment ( when it's the exact opposite MI6 in with Churchill ) This is enough proof of how little you know. BTW did you read about the black mass, or are you in denial about that too? How about Crowley and Hubbard ( scientology )

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley's possession/channelings via automatic writings, which produced the Book of Law etc.

Part of the messages where to do with how two thirds of man would perish in wars, and how this was necessary to kill off the unworthy ( the masses of lower classes ) ,to bring in the New golden Age of enlightenment for the Elite ruling class, ( they believe they are superior, history and present day proves this ) This is a long term plan ( planned in advance along time ago ) to do with population reduction and TPTB made sure these Wars would happen...with help form their Banking Cabals and control of stock markets and finances.

So, the whole affair the channelings may just have been something Crowley made up and in reality never even happened. Crowley would try pass himself off as having the future revealed to him by spirits, this is an old trick and if you know the plan, you sure can predict the future:rolleyes:

THE STELE OF REVEALING - The Stele of Revealing is an Egyptian tablet from the 26th dynasty. It was made to commemorate the death of a Theban priest of the god Mentu named Ankh-f-n-khonsu. Soon after discovering the Stele in a museum in Cairo, Crowley received the mystical communication known as The Book of the Law. Much of what Crowley discovered in the Stele of Revealing "set the stage" or formed the basis for these channeled verses.

[eternal_spirit]

"The Golden Dawn anoter group Crowley belonged to is the organisation of witchcraft, the 4th block up there, and it's the Rothschild's private coven. They choose every member personally." He says C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkein were both members of Golden Dawn. Grand Druid Isaac Bonewitz and the ACLU started an organization to sue Christians who defame the Occult. He includes Scientology and The National Council of Churches in the Illuminati structure. Btw, the ACLU, comes from the same place as the ADL. They like nothing more to call people such as David Icke racist anti-semites.

[eternal_spirit]

Why do satanic groups need to call themselves Satanists and why do COS Temple of Set, use part of Crowley's teachings as well as Levi's ( based much on Kabbalah ) He blended Hinduism and Buddhism amongst other things, Christianity was also used. SET was to the Egyptian's as what Satan is to Christianity.

The Egyptians allegedly sacraficed humans to SET. There's a group known as Setians as well as temple of Set.

Bal bel, Bil, moloch all same sacraficial type Gods. These could of been the names given to Satan in earlier times.
There's a whole army of fallen angels, demons that are summoned in Kabbalistic Demonology.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by davy26
Hey...

Well... This is a great topic... I should have posted here, but I posted in the Crowley section...

Lavey, may have cotton candied his image down, by all the media things he did. But from my personal experience as a boy, Lavey was the real deal. I don't know what level, or how high up in the 'arch he was, I was just a lil boy, but he was involved in all the things you have heard about behind closed doors, he was involved in all those things you have read about that goes on during rituals, on solstices etc.

The one I was involved in, took place in the Kimball Castle in CO. I have seen a video from youtube, that spoke about it, which gave me chills and brought back many memories. Some still I havent accessed, so I dont know the full extent, of it all, but many things I do, it wasnt pretty. But he was involved... Def in it! Things def channeled through him, evil things.

[tothestars]

Lady Diana had sex with Prince Charles... what does that mean?

Are you sure about that?

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thirdwave
this is a perfect example of somone reading his works and judging him... and somone else (ES) sending a load of tripe he has found others say about him on the internet... mixed with with more if his complete ignorance when it comes to anything occult related.

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No one knows for certain what texts/books are the originals written by AC, how much has been added taken away etc. You're basing your view on faith if you think your getting the original texts.
Besides, much of what's out there about AC and the occult is pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo, served with a large portion of tripe, and it's meant to confuse you and have no or little results. I've discussed AC with some of the Masons here. So, "why don't you ask Thelonius the highest ranked of them about AC?"

TW if you know anything worth knowing let's have it.........

His books contain instructions for you to follow so that is telling you what to do and think.
Much of his "ideas" came from many different religions, it's a pick and mix of bits from here bits from there. So the he was "against religion theory" doesn't quite wash does it?

It's the New Age religion he promoted, same as the Wiccan movement was not a grass roots movement ( do your research ) Those who give you what you think is your counter culture are the same people at the top of society who gave you religion, the system and laws in the system. High Masonry and the Ruling Elite gave you AC etc. He was one of them. You know the one's who are behind most of the evil on this Planet

You need to wake up and smell the mustard baby, because it's all connected...intelligence agencies, occult groups, politics, culture, etc ya dee ya dee yah.

The groups he was involved with had pecking order, he liked to be at the top, pure ego. And they are not going to put books out so the profane, or the lower rank and file occultist can know about what they at the top get up too.

[eternal_spirit]

Dissident Orders Deriving from Isis Urania no.3

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4213/dissidentun5.gif (http://imageshack.us/)

diagram from Ithel Colquhoun, The Sword of Wisdom MacGregor Mathers and the Golden Dawn , 1975, pp.182-3

[eternal_spirit]

The Crowleyite Tradition

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3232/dissidentcrowleyanwv7.gif (http://imageshack.us/)

[eternal_spirit]

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8019/crowleyanordersdd4.gif

[thirdwave]

quote: thirdwave
this is a perfect example of somone reading his works and judging him... and somone else (ES) sending a load of tripe he has found others say about him on the internet... mixed with with more if his complete ignorance when it comes to anything occult related.

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No one knows for certain what texts/books are the originals written by AC, how much has been added taken away etc. You're basing your view on faith if you think your getting the original texts.
Besides, much of what's out there about AC and the occult is pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo, served with a large portion of tripe, and it's meant to confuse you and have no or little results. I've discussed AC with some of the Masons here. So, "why don't you ask Thelonius the highest ranked of them about AC?"

TW if you know anything worth knowing let's have it.........

His books contain instructions for you to follow so that is telling you what to do and think.
Much of his "ideas" came from many different religions, it's a pick and mix of bits from here bits from there. So the he was "against religion theory" doesn't quite wash does it?

It's the New Age religion he promoted, same as the Wiccan movement was not a grass roots movement ( do your research ) Those who give you what you think is your counter culture are the same people at the top of society who gave you religion, the system and laws in the system. High Masonry and the Ruling Elite gave you AC etc. He was one of them. You know the one's who are behind most of the evil on this Planet

You need to wake up and smell the mustard baby, because it's all connected...intelligence agencies, occult groups, politics, culture, etc ya dee ya dee yah.

The groups he was involved with had pecking order, he liked to be at the top, pure ego. And they are not going to put books out so the profane, or the lower rank and file occultist can know about what they at the top get up too.



I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT, I AM PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE INCITE FOR ANYONE ELSE INTERESTING IN LEARNING ABOUT HIM....

THINK WHAT YOU LIKE, I DONT CARE.

the way you and others are banging on and throwing your toys out of your pram because of this is one of the reasons I first started to show an interest in Crowley to start with...

I think I am big enough to look after my self and I feel I am mature enough to read Crowley works.

If you dont want to, then dont!.

[thirdwave]

Are you sure about that?

Well I did not see them go at it but I assume Diana was a Lady who had needs as most do.

and I would say Prince William does not look like he came from the milkman.

but I would say marrying him was also within the contexts of my point, unless we are now to think she was a Satanist as well, Which I don't.

[thirdwave]

quote: thirdwave
this is a perfect example of somone reading his works and judging him... and somone else (ES) sending a load of tripe he has found others say about him on the internet... mixed with with more if his complete ignorance when it comes to anything occult related.

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No one knows for certain what texts/books are the originals written by AC, how much has been added taken away etc. You're basing your view on faith if you think your getting the original texts.


lol, of course its clear the media have been %100 focused on giving him a wonderful name... this would explain why they create positives texts from him!! and all the negative stuff written about him is all %100 honest and down the line... or course!

How desperate are you to create the judgement on this guy?

and again you do not mind people sifting through the shit in the bible.... but on this ..not so much.

I know you have said you are not a Christian.... But I don't think you are being very honest, I think you are very much a Christian and it explains all your blinkered views and understanding on many things....

If you are for some odd reason not a Christian, then it would be very interesting to find out why not.

[eternal_spirit]

The topic of hostility towards women in religion and occultism has scarcely been touched on in studies of these subjects. However, it is a symptom of such attitudes that even the hedonistic prophet of the "New Æon" Aleister Crowley, and his quasi-counterpart the ascetic Arnoldo Krumm-Heller (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/frat.htm), adhered to certain forms of misogyny in both theory and practice; attitudes which are still present in those who proclaim their ideas of a new humanity. The reader should ideally be familiar with The O.T.O. Phenomenon, or the authors' articles, before reading the following excursus on the practices and psychology of the various O.T.O. groups (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/intro.htm). In the disguised O.T.O. lodge that calls itself Fraternitas Saturni (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/saturn.htm) (FS), there is a misogynistic agenda, to which the FS's founder Eugen Grosche (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fs1.htm) gave blatant voice. Only a few of many examples need be quoted here:
"The Female Being is the enemy and the opposer of Man from the very Beginning." "Certainly not every cow is a beast of prey, and not every Female Animal a demonic being." The purpose of marriage is "to domesticate man." What can Man do against it? "In marriage the will of Man must be dominant." "The influence on Man of the pure sexual urge for females will be defeated in time through the self-conscious spiritualization of Woman."
Under his pseudonym of Gregor A. Gregorius, Grosche defined his view of women's rôle clearly: "To be a lover who only satisfies all sexual and erotic desires of man." Nonetheless, the FS was - and still is - described as a "unique and recognised magical Lodge" which "nevertheless admits women," though the female members are only qualified "as help-meets for experimental magic, and in the cult of the sexual Mysteries." Hence the men in the FS used "consciously created sexual dependance" to achieve their aims.
Grosche's successors have continued this doctrine: Karl Wedler (or 'Giovanni') and his protegé Guido Wolther ('Daniel') have on the one hand declared that "homosexuals and pederasts must be rejected as sex-magical monstrosities" - yet on the other hand proclaimed that the ruling spirit of the present æon is the "Dæmon of torture and adultery" worshipped with "grains of incense steeped in semen and human blood; he follows the Dæmon of Lies, of Sodomy and Homosexuality, the Dæmon of Lewdness and Orgies." This is indicated by certain magical symbols, which are said to confer "immediate power with respect to sex on both men and women." Wedler gave his "brother and friend" Wolther a manuscript entitled 'The Devil's Elixirs', which contained recipes for poisoning enemies, inflicting deadly ailments, driving people insane, and so on ad nauseam.
Having come upon the dogma propounded by his FS predecessors, Dieter Heikaus ('Set Horus') elected to cathartically reveal their ideas to the outside world - a risky process that he hoped would set these "great magicians" up as magical idols once more. He decided that his Ordo Saturni, and more particularly its internal 'Pentalpha' group (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/pent.htm), could perform "the sex-magical operations of the old FS".


http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/fs2.htm

[eternal_spirit]

Nosferatu's Baby

Because of his chauvinistic attitudes towards women, Eugen Grosche was never able to find his soul-mate in the physical world, but using his occult arts and knowledge, assumed the form of 'GOTOS' an égregore or group-spirit (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fs3.htm). GOTOS was also called 'UTUIT', which was supposed to mean 'OTO-it' (a sort of activated form); it was also the highest rank in the FS (from 'Gradus Ordo Templi Orientis Saturni'), and the égregore was created as an astral body by the joint efforts of all FS members, using a specially created head-and-shoulders statue or bust to help their efforts. By this means, Grosche hoped that after his death, in the form of GOTOS's astral body, he could at last be united with his soul-mate - and thereby reach an androgynous state on a higher plane. This group-spirit was supposed to have some femimine characteristics, but the only feminine aspect of GOTOS was the mediumship used to obtain the design of its statue. Representing an égregore as a bust or head recalls the literary traditions of statues coming to life (see next section); or else the tale of Salomé, who desired John the Baptist's head on a platter - perhaps to gain his powers of prophecy.
So the central concept in FS lodges is that of the lodge égregore, and its powers of re-animation. The classic prototype for such an idea is that of Baphomet, the supposed idol of the Knights Templar, who was (as the Roman Emperor) likewise worshipped in the form of a head. It has been claimed that Baphomet was invoked with the first sura of the Qur'an, and dismissed with the twenty-fourth chapter of the apocryphal Book of Sirach.
O.T.O. groups have all made use of the idea of Baphomet - but in the Saturn lodges it has been given a different emphasis, and far greater value than in the other versions of the O.T.O.

People out of stone

In India, it is a tradition amongst certain Tantric sects to anoint their phallic lingam images with oil, milk, and sometimes semen. A similar tradition involving living statues and plaster busts exists in Western culture - at least on a literary level. E.T.A. Hoffman, Edgar Allen Poe, Ambrose Bierce, and Jules Verne amongst others, have reinterpreted the original myth of Pygmalion from Ovid; it can even be seen in the musical 'My Fair Lady'. This tradition fulfills an ancient human dream, that of bringing the dead back to life, either artificially or with the help of the gods of magic. Even today there are hints of it in cybernetics and genetic engineering. Inspired by the attempts of Charles Darwin's grandfather Erasmus Darwin to re-animate dead worms, the nineteen-year-old Mary Shelley wrote the novel 'Frankenstein: or the new Prometheus' which was published in 1818. More on the theme has been written more recently by authors such as Philip K. Dick (as in 'Blade Runner'), Alfred Bester, Stanislaw Lem and Pierre Klossowsky. In Switzerland in 1972, a drama based on the classical myth of Galatea appeared, expressing the eternal dream of a man for a woman who is wholly dedicated to him. In the play, which was a reworking of an episode from the 'Alpensaga', some farmers create a 'Sennentuntschi', an artificial woman grown in a bottle from a mixture of dung and cheese. Needless to say, Sennentuntschi soon frees herself from their attentions.
In Jewish mysticism, there is the legend of the Golem, which is ultimately based on Psalm 139 verse 16; the story is best known from the mediæval golem created by Rabbi Löw of Prague, as described in Gustav Meyrink's impressive novel The Golem (1915). Golems are reproductions of Adam, formed from the dust of the earth, and they go even further back in Jewish culture, as may be discovered in a commentary on the ancient Cabalistic text the Sefer Yetzirah, as expounded by the eminent scholar Gershom Scholem. The German author of occult and erotic potboilers H.H. Ewers added a sexual twist to the legend with his novel Alraune in 1911. Also in Germany, Paul Wegener directed a film of The Golem in 1915, the first in a series of German films such as Nosferatu, Das Kabinett des Doktor Caligari and Dr. Mabuse which evoked a fascination for evil. Neo-Gnostics and secret societies in Germany and elsewhere got a lot of inspiration from fictional sources such as these - enough for them to devise their own 'Order Secrets'. The concept of the Homunculus, an alchemical mannikin produced in a bottle, was not foreign to Theodor Reuss (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/reuss.htm), the O.T.O.'s founder. The prescribed reading-list for O.T.O. members included G. Herman's work called Genesis - das Gesetz der Zeugung (Genesis - the Law of Procreation) which describes the production of a being "who is realized through the odic power of materialization, and which as odic mist streams from the vulvae, and under the traditional uterine influence easily forms child-souls." The alchemist Paracelsus described his formula for creating a Homunculus using blood and semen, and this has been compared to the consecrated hosts of the Spermo-Gnostics (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/spermo.htm). In 1914 Aleister Crowley wrote his Xth degree instruction De Homunculo Epistola in which he described the homunculus, even though he was less than enthusiastic about it. It is quite possible that he had been inspired by Somerset Maugham, who had published a novel called The Magician in 1907, whose villain Oliver Haddo is based on Crowley; in the novel Haddo manufactures a mad homunculus by devilish arts. Similarly, Crowley himself wrote a novel in 1917 (not published until 1929) called Moonchild, in which sex-magicians create a speaking homunculus with astrological enchantments.


People out of stone

In India, it is a tradition amongst certain Tantric sects to anoint their phallic lingam images with oil, milk, and sometimes semen. A similar tradition involving living statues and plaster busts exists in Western culture - at least on a literary level. E.T.A. Hoffman, Edgar Allen Poe, Ambrose Bierce, and Jules Verne amongst others, have reinterpreted the original myth of Pygmalion from Ovid; it can even be seen in the musical 'My Fair Lady'. This tradition fulfills an ancient human dream, that of bringing the dead back to life, either artificially or with the help of the gods of magic. Even today there are hints of it in cybernetics and genetic engineering. Inspired by the attempts of Charles Darwin's grandfather Erasmus Darwin to re-animate dead worms, the nineteen-year-old Mary Shelley wrote the novel 'Frankenstein: or the new Prometheus' which was published in 1818. More on the theme has been written more recently by authors such as Philip K. Dick (as in 'Blade Runner'), Alfred Bester, Stanislaw Lem and Pierre Klossowsky. In Switzerland in 1972, a drama based on the classical myth of Galatea appeared, expressing the eternal dream of a man for a woman who is wholly dedicated to him. In the play, which was a reworking of an episode from the 'Alpensaga', some farmers create a 'Sennentuntschi', an artificial woman grown in a bottle from a mixture of dung and cheese. Needless to say, Sennentuntschi soon frees herself from their attentions.
In Jewish mysticism, there is the legend of the Golem, which is ultimately based on Psalm 139 verse 16; the story is best known from the mediæval golem created by Rabbi Löw of Prague, as described in Gustav Meyrink's impressive novel The Golem (1915). Golems are reproductions of Adam, formed from the dust of the earth, and they go even further back in Jewish culture, as may be discovered in a commentary on the ancient Cabalistic text the Sefer Yetzirah, as expounded by the eminent scholar Gershom Scholem. The German author of occult and erotic potboilers H.H. Ewers added a sexual twist to the legend with his novel Alraune in 1911. Also in Germany, Paul Wegener directed a film of The Golem in 1915, the first in a series of German films such as Nosferatu, Das Kabinett des Doktor Caligari and Dr. Mabuse which evoked a fascination for evil. Neo-Gnostics and secret societies in Germany and elsewhere got a lot of inspiration from fictional sources such as these - enough for them to devise their own 'Order Secrets'. The concept of the Homunculus, an alchemical mannikin produced in a bottle, was not foreign to Theodor Reuss (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/reuss.htm), the O.T.O.'s founder. The prescribed reading-list for O.T.O. members included G. Herman's work called Genesis - das Gesetz der Zeugung (Genesis - the Law of Procreation) which describes the production of a being "who is realized through the odic power of materialization, and which as odic mist streams from the vulvae, and under the traditional uterine influence easily forms child-souls." The alchemist Paracelsus described his formula for creating a Homunculus using blood and semen, and this has been compared to the consecrated hosts of the Spermo-Gnostics (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/spermo.htm). In 1914 Aleister Crowley wrote his Xth degree instruction De Homunculo Epistola in which he described the homunculus, even though he was less than enthusiastic about it. It is quite possible that he had been inspired by Somerset Maugham, who had published a novel called The Magician in 1907, whose villain Oliver Haddo is based on Crowley; in the novel Haddo manufactures a mad homunculus by devilish arts. Similarly, Crowley himself wrote a novel in 1917 (not published until 1929) called Moonchild, in which sex-magicians create a speaking homunculus with astrological enchantments.

You are my Creator but I am your Lord

In the Saturn Lodges a definite connection was made between the subject of 'artificial astral beings' and Vampire mythology. The égregore and its incarnate 'tenant', the possessor of the highest degree in the FS, were fuelled by the vital sexual powers of all the lodge members. Both the FS and its successor the Ordo Saturni deliberately tried to creat a form of astral vampire, which they hoped eventually to incarnate as a being of flesh and blood. It was a reversal of the Christian Eucharist, where the congregation consumes the supposed flesh and blood of God, in the form of bread and wine. If one believes that Gods are the creation of Man, then it follows that an order-egregore is also a God. To succesfully create a Golem might therefore mean that with the Golem even a God could be vicariously destroyed; a dream of omnipotence realised. In the FS the office of Gotos permits a personality to be united with GOTOS UTUIT itself; the Outer Head of the Order (OHO) becomes the Inner Head of the Order (IHO). Deus est Homo - Homo est Deus, as was stated similarly (but unconnectedly) in Reuss and Crowley's Liber Agapé (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/mcoto.htm).
In the FS's magical system, the libido during sexual intercourse was transferred from the sexual partner to the astral égregore. In concrete terms, this meant all that heterosexual and homosexual activity was conducted with the use of wordshells/euphemisms (Holy, Logos, Saturn, etc.) to feed the égregore's vitality. These efforts to identify the Saturn Order with an (at least) astral Golem, a Homunculus, an image or statue brought to life, or else some other form of android to build up power, is quite different from the practises of other O.T.O. groups, who are effectively engaged in a quest for the 'Elixir of Life' in the form of psychosexual secretions to gain self-empowerment, or to contact spirits. Nonetheless, this has not prevented some membrs of the so-called 'Caliphate' O.T.O. (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/megafile.htm) from joining the Ordo Saturni; in the Saturn lodges this 'elixir' was mostly used for anointing the statue of the GOTOS (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/gotos.htm).

Baphomet and the O.T.O.

The égregore has never been an important issue to other O.T.O. groups. As Marcelo Ramos Motta (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/brazil.htm) wrote: "the Egregora does exist in the so-called 'astral plane' and it is a demon, that is to say, an illusory entity. It is not a true Microcosm, but a gestalt of vitalized shells, a focus for everything that is negative, defeatist, maudlin, bigoted, introverted in human nature - a morass completely hostile to progress and to the spiritual evolution of mankind."
The publication of an earlier version of the foregoing sections (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fs3.htm) in this essay caused some interest among members of the 'Typhonian' O.T.O. (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/staley.htm) following the FS example, they duly devised what they called an 'Égregore Map' from various more or less Thelemic entities: Lam, Olun, Aiwass, Maat, Babalon, and the Beast. "It can be defined as the group spirit (super-consciousness) of all the members of a particular Order... It is analogous to the running of magical computer programs across a network of adepts or members, in order to access necessary gnosis and guidance from the Secret Chiefs. This can be done using these égregore maps because they express the laws of Creation and the Fall through their symbolism. They allow people to free themselves from the lust of result by the externalisation of the Holy Guardian Angel into the égregore."
The égregore is by definition a created soul (psychogon); according to Aleister Crowley it serves mostly to realise of wishes, and is consequently a 'helpmeet-spirit' who obeys the Holy Guardian Angel as in the Abramelin system (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/html/abrameli.htm). The 'Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage' (see illustrations 1 (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/staley/abramel.jpg) & 2 (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/staley/abramel2.jpg)) describes one method of attaining communication with one's guardian angel; every human being has an individual spiritual power, a divine mirror image called the Holy Guardian Angel, who restores a link to the divine for human beings engulfed in matter. Once contact with the Guardian Angel has been established - after six lunar months of asceticism and constant devotional prayer - the magician may then (if he dares) invoke armies of demons and servile spirits to do his will.
From the other side, it could reasonably be claimed that the guardian angel gets something in return. In the ecstasy of a human orgasm, the Angel attains a vision of the Universe as a continuous, unblemished phenomenon, where it is separated from the pure union of human with the divine; and thus the Angel finds wholeness in the human to whom it ministers.
Many FS techniques, like absorbing the libido from sexual partners may also be found in O.T.O. lodges. But in the OTO, the method is to transfer the libido's energy to one's own ego and its adjuncts. The Order becomes a substitute for the archetypal Mother, while its charismatic leader is transformed into a substitute for the corresponding Father-figure. This practice started with Carl Kellner (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/ck.htm), whose female followers wore a locket containing a photograph of him, and the lamen, or magical shield of the Memphis-Misraim Rite (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/mm.htm): a sphinx within a pyramid under a blazing sun. Kellner viewed his self-created office as Baphomet as descending from the Babylonian priesthood. However, in Richard Payne Knight's interpretation, Baphomet was an androgynous figure who united active and passive polarities. Kellner apparently did not accept Éliphas Lévi's diabolic interpretation of Baphomet, which Crowley was later to use in the 'Devil' card of his Thoth Tarot designs. Indeed, Crowley always described himself as Baphomet in connection with the O.T.O., and considered this to unite the offices of both Inner and Outer Head of the Order in himself - they were linked in the concept of the homosexual eleventh degree of the O.T.O. [This might explain the 'Caliph' William Breeze's assumption of the XIth degree (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/xi.htm)]. It is not known whether he ever tried to bring an image to life (except the skeleton he fed with blood at his Chancery Lane 'Black Temple'), or to use Baphomet as an égregore in the FS sense. Certainly, when his follower Jack Parsons (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/staley/staley11.htm) tried to create a homunculus with the aid of sex-magic (and the founder of Scientology, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard), Crowley reacted angrily, calling the affair "nonsense".
Crowley, alias Baphomet XI°, assumed the rôle of an idealised father-figure in his rescension of the O.T.O. By idolising Crowley/Baphomet in this way, his followers nurtured precociously regressive sadistic and anal attitudes, which tended to be acted out in the form of oral aggression, as a consequence of a significant upset of the balance between fantasy and reality. As the central idol of the Crowleyan O.T.O. there stood a golden phallus, with which the sex-magician was meant to identify himself in the form of an ejaculating penis. In O.T.O. groups of this school there is little possibility of using such phallocentric and narcissistic behaviour as a way of obtaining solitary communion with an égregore. Energies liberated in this way would generate 'disorder' in 'practicing' individuals (at least in the higher degrees). The imitation of Crowley's biography stimulates dramatic relationships and drug-addiction. There is no Gnosis here. No, not even here, where a Gnostic sense of an intolerable existence is reflected in several different O.T.O. Orders all at war with each other; these merely show that there is a yawning void between the 'rotten places' and the Pleroma.
With these O.T.O.'s, the light at the end of the tunnel for seekers is the corpse-light glimmer from carefully contrived schemes and inducements towards sensuality and self-indulgence; it shines on a mouthful of semen, and illuminates no more than ready-made images, images which are endlessly imitated, regurgitated and thoroughly manufactured.

[eternal_spirit]

Knights of the Neurosy-Cross

The Saturn lodges have never succeded in achieving the union of the human holder of the Gotos office, with the GOTOS égregore. This is apparently why the O.T.O. fell into schism during Crowley's time; the Saturn lodges have not been able ("so far" that is) to invoke the spirits of Pluto necessary to the union, and this has meant the Gotos-Golem (the O.T.O. Saturni Golem) has fragmented into narcissistic offshoots of Grosche and his allies.
If this human Gotos is not a Charismatic individual, then the efforts of his followers can only be devoted to the service of the égregore-GOTOS, charging it up like a battery; but if the human Gotos does not remain in the background, then the magical energies can flow back, and not drain away. But this latter possibility only works if the human Gotos avoids the trap of narcissistic folly through excessive dependance on the GOTOS (human or égregore), as also so long as the human Gotos separates himself from the lodge members having an influence on psychological transmission. This practice has only been tried in the 'Caliphate' O.T.O. (in contrast to H.J. Metzger's group (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/metzger.htm)) where the chief of the Order, the 'Caliph' remains effectively incomminicado, except for 'ex-cathedra' pronouncements; paradoxically, the 'Caliph' is seen as magically powerless. A repressed identification with a homosexual All-Father figure in the form of Crowley has proved to be a deficiency in the personal development of many 'Caliphate' followers. The result has been a fanatical, supposedly socially involved 'coming out' of the 'Caliphate' as a publicly recognised religious community, and led to their concealment of all their magical and sexual doctrines. Recently this group has told its membership to separate the "problematic" figure of Aleister Crowley from the doctrine of Thelema, even though Thelema is still to be considered as he Highest Truth of this Æon. This has effectively replaced critical thought (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/fasho.htm), and replaced it with all the trappings of 'belief' in a cult, with an emphasis on the importance of ritual for its own sake, and new myths. Information which might promote dissent is suppressed, and measures to censure those who step out of line is now included in the group's statutes.
Unsubstantiated legal threats frighten bogeymen. So the 'Caliphate' (which now represents itself as the one and only O.T.O.) proclaims that it is incapable of error, and uses the courts to fight every criticism from the moral 'majority', the press or the police. A strategy of positive news-management has been introduced, and where necessary truth is the first casualty.

Fraternitas Rosicruciana Antiqua (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fra.htm)


Although Baphomet also occurs in the initiation rituals of the F.R.A., it seems that Arnoldo Krumm-Heller (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fra.htm) was never involved in the aforementioned shenanigans. He saw himself in a messianic role, adhering strongly to the idea of Christian Gnostic objects of veneration, and Jesus as saviour. Salvation was obtained from Him alone, and it meant that people would only ever meet good deeds along the way. True, salvation could be achieved through spermo-gnosis as well, but only by avoiding ejaculation. These homoeopathic Gnostics (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/spermo.htm) served a higher divine order, but their concomitant will to bring order to humanity was very far from self-deification. In spite of his apparent adherence to Thelema, and the use of LAM as a mantra, Krumm-Heller was more involved with social concerns and joining organisations, rather than any magical or mystical self-development. Homoeopathy requires a lot of human sensitivity from both doctor and patient. There is no evidence that Krumm-Heller believed in any particular Intelligence, like those found in Crowley's spiritual cosmogeny. Krumm-Heller focussed more on human reality and not on gaining contact with transcendental realms, even when those were formulated as Beings. To this day, "the teachings of the Ancient Rose-Cross Brotherhood" have had no real rôle for their astral (actually Theosophical) Master Racoczy, nor of the égregore, nor of an Inner Head of the Order. Contact with the "angel on the other side" takes place only in "helping and healing".
Apart from thinking that avoiding ejaculation helped healing and human evolution, Krumm-Heller thought it a "good deed for redemption". Maybe redemption was necessary in revolutionary Mexico, when the material world must really have looked like a Gnostic "Rotten Place". It is not known, however, whether he used semen either homoeopathically or isopathically as a universal medicine.
After Krumm-Hellers death, there was conflict within his Rosicrucian organization, rather like those in the O.T.O. groups. But today his F.R.A. is relatively small, its membership regarding themselves as isolated groups, and not ruled by an overall leader. Krumm-Heller offered little room for his followers psychological projections, and his F.R.A. was, and still is, too exclusive to attract really deep devotion. Had it not been for H.J. Metzger's claims to be the leader of the F.R.A., nobody would have heard anything about Krumm-Heller or the F.R.A. in the German or English-speaking worlds after World War Two. It has only been by plagiarising the present author's books that the 'Caliphate' have been able to mix Krumm-Heller into their historical fantasies (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/html/sigill.htm).

Gnosis in Appenzell (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/metzger.htm) - A catalogue


and if that's not enough there's more here
http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/fs2.htm

[manchurian_candidate]

Nosferatu's Baby

Because of his chauvinistic attitudes towards women, Eugen Grosche was never able to find his soul-mate in the physical world, but using his occult arts and knowledge, assumed the form of 'GOTOS' an égregore or group-spirit (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fs3.htm). GOTOS was also called 'UTUIT', which was supposed to mean 'OTO-it' (a sort of activated form); it was also the highest rank in the FS (from 'Gradus Ordo Templi Orientis Saturni'), and the égregore was created as an astral body by the joint efforts of all FS members, using a specially created head-and-shoulders statue or bust to help their efforts. By this means, Grosche hoped that after his death, in the form of GOTOS's astral body, he could at last be united with his soul-mate - and thereby reach an androgynous state on a higher plane. This group-spirit was supposed to have some femimine characteristics, but the only feminine aspect of GOTOS was the mediumship used to obtain the design of its statue. Representing an égregore as a bust or head recalls the literary traditions of statues coming to life (see next section); or else the tale of Salomé, who desired John the Baptist's head on a platter - perhaps to gain his powers of prophecy.
So the central concept in FS lodges is that of the lodge égregore, and its powers of re-animation. The classic prototype for such an idea is that of Baphomet, the supposed idol of the Knights Templar, who was (as the Roman Emperor) likewise worshipped in the form of a head. It has been claimed that Baphomet was invoked with the first sura of the Qur'an, and dismissed with the twenty-fourth chapter of the apocryphal Book of Sirach.
O.T.O. groups have all made use of the idea of Baphomet - but in the Saturn lodges it has been given a different emphasis, and far greater value than in the other versions of the O.T.O.

People out of stone

In India, it is a tradition amongst certain Tantric sects to anoint their phallic lingam images with oil, milk, and sometimes semen. A similar tradition involving living statues and plaster busts exists in Western culture - at least on a literary level. E.T.A. Hoffman, Edgar Allen Poe, Ambrose Bierce, and Jules Verne amongst others, have reinterpreted the original myth of Pygmalion from Ovid; it can even be seen in the musical 'My Fair Lady'. This tradition fulfills an ancient human dream, that of bringing the dead back to life, either artificially or with the help of the gods of magic. Even today there are hints of it in cybernetics and genetic engineering. Inspired by the attempts of Charles Darwin's grandfather Erasmus Darwin to re-animate dead worms, the nineteen-year-old Mary Shelley wrote the novel 'Frankenstein: or the new Prometheus' which was published in 1818. More on the theme has been written more recently by authors such as Philip K. Dick (as in 'Blade Runner'), Alfred Bester, Stanislaw Lem and Pierre Klossowsky. In Switzerland in 1972, a drama based on the classical myth of Galatea appeared, expressing the eternal dream of a man for a woman who is wholly dedicated to him. In the play, which was a reworking of an episode from the 'Alpensaga', some farmers create a 'Sennentuntschi', an artificial woman grown in a bottle from a mixture of dung and cheese. Needless to say, Sennentuntschi soon frees herself from their attentions.
In Jewish mysticism, there is the legend of the Golem, which is ultimately based on Psalm 139 verse 16; the story is best known from the mediæval golem created by Rabbi Löw of Prague, as described in Gustav Meyrink's impressive novel The Golem (1915). Golems are reproductions of Adam, formed from the dust of the earth, and they go even further back in Jewish culture, as may be discovered in a commentary on the ancient Cabalistic text the Sefer Yetzirah, as expounded by the eminent scholar Gershom Scholem. The German author of occult and erotic potboilers H.H. Ewers added a sexual twist to the legend with his novel Alraune in 1911. Also in Germany, Paul Wegener directed a film of The Golem in 1915, the first in a series of German films such as Nosferatu, Das Kabinett des Doktor Caligari and Dr. Mabuse which evoked a fascination for evil. Neo-Gnostics and secret societies in Germany and elsewhere got a lot of inspiration from fictional sources such as these - enough for them to devise their own 'Order Secrets'. The concept of the Homunculus, an alchemical mannikin produced in a bottle, was not foreign to Theodor Reuss (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/reuss.htm), the O.T.O.'s founder. The prescribed reading-list for O.T.O. members included G. Herman's work called Genesis - das Gesetz der Zeugung (Genesis - the Law of Procreation) which describes the production of a being "who is realized through the odic power of materialization, and which as odic mist streams from the vulvae, and under the traditional uterine influence easily forms child-souls." The alchemist Paracelsus described his formula for creating a Homunculus using blood and semen, and this has been compared to the consecrated hosts of the Spermo-Gnostics (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/spermo.htm). In 1914 Aleister Crowley wrote his Xth degree instruction De Homunculo Epistola in which he described the homunculus, even though he was less than enthusiastic about it. It is quite possible that he had been inspired by Somerset Maugham, who had published a novel called The Magician in 1907, whose villain Oliver Haddo is based on Crowley; in the novel Haddo manufactures a mad homunculus by devilish arts. Similarly, Crowley himself wrote a novel in 1917 (not published until 1929) called Moonchild, in which sex-magicians create a speaking homunculus with astrological enchantments.


People out of stone

In India, it is a tradition amongst certain Tantric sects to anoint their phallic lingam images with oil, milk, and sometimes semen. A similar tradition involving living statues and plaster busts exists in Western culture - at least on a literary level. E.T.A. Hoffman, Edgar Allen Poe, Ambrose Bierce, and Jules Verne amongst others, have reinterpreted the original myth of Pygmalion from Ovid; it can even be seen in the musical 'My Fair Lady'. This tradition fulfills an ancient human dream, that of bringing the dead back to life, either artificially or with the help of the gods of magic. Even today there are hints of it in cybernetics and genetic engineering. Inspired by the attempts of Charles Darwin's grandfather Erasmus Darwin to re-animate dead worms, the nineteen-year-old Mary Shelley wrote the novel 'Frankenstein: or the new Prometheus' which was published in 1818. More on the theme has been written more recently by authors such as Philip K. Dick (as in 'Blade Runner'), Alfred Bester, Stanislaw Lem and Pierre Klossowsky. In Switzerland in 1972, a drama based on the classical myth of Galatea appeared, expressing the eternal dream of a man for a woman who is wholly dedicated to him. In the play, which was a reworking of an episode from the 'Alpensaga', some farmers create a 'Sennentuntschi', an artificial woman grown in a bottle from a mixture of dung and cheese. Needless to say, Sennentuntschi soon frees herself from their attentions.
In Jewish mysticism, there is the legend of the Golem, which is ultimately based on Psalm 139 verse 16; the story is best known from the mediæval golem created by Rabbi Löw of Prague, as described in Gustav Meyrink's impressive novel The Golem (1915). Golems are reproductions of Adam, formed from the dust of the earth, and they go even further back in Jewish culture, as may be discovered in a commentary on the ancient Cabalistic text the Sefer Yetzirah, as expounded by the eminent scholar Gershom Scholem. The German author of occult and erotic potboilers H.H. Ewers added a sexual twist to the legend with his novel Alraune in 1911. Also in Germany, Paul Wegener directed a film of The Golem in 1915, the first in a series of German films such as Nosferatu, Das Kabinett des Doktor Caligari and Dr. Mabuse which evoked a fascination for evil. Neo-Gnostics and secret societies in Germany and elsewhere got a lot of inspiration from fictional sources such as these - enough for them to devise their own 'Order Secrets'. The concept of the Homunculus, an alchemical mannikin produced in a bottle, was not foreign to Theodor Reuss (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/reuss.htm), the O.T.O.'s founder. The prescribed reading-list for O.T.O. members included G. Herman's work called Genesis - das Gesetz der Zeugung (Genesis - the Law of Procreation) which describes the production of a being "who is realized through the odic power of materialization, and which as odic mist streams from the vulvae, and under the traditional uterine influence easily forms child-souls." The alchemist Paracelsus described his formula for creating a Homunculus using blood and semen, and this has been compared to the consecrated hosts of the Spermo-Gnostics (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/spermo.htm). In 1914 Aleister Crowley wrote his Xth degree instruction De Homunculo Epistola in which he described the homunculus, even though he was less than enthusiastic about it. It is quite possible that he had been inspired by Somerset Maugham, who had published a novel called The Magician in 1907, whose villain Oliver Haddo is based on Crowley; in the novel Haddo manufactures a mad homunculus by devilish arts. Similarly, Crowley himself wrote a novel in 1917 (not published until 1929) called Moonchild, in which sex-magicians create a speaking homunculus with astrological enchantments.

You are my Creator but I am your Lord

In the Saturn Lodges a definite connection was made between the subject of 'artificial astral beings' and Vampire mythology. The égregore and its incarnate 'tenant', the possessor of the highest degree in the FS, were fuelled by the vital sexual powers of all the lodge members. Both the FS and its successor the Ordo Saturni deliberately tried to creat a form of astral vampire, which they hoped eventually to incarnate as a being of flesh and blood. It was a reversal of the Christian Eucharist, where the congregation consumes the supposed flesh and blood of God, in the form of bread and wine. If one believes that Gods are the creation of Man, then it follows that an order-egregore is also a God. To succesfully create a Golem might therefore mean that with the Golem even a God could be vicariously destroyed; a dream of omnipotence realised. In the FS the office of Gotos permits a personality to be united with GOTOS UTUIT itself; the Outer Head of the Order (OHO) becomes the Inner Head of the Order (IHO). Deus est Homo - Homo est Deus, as was stated similarly (but unconnectedly) in Reuss and Crowley's Liber Agapé (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/mcoto.htm).
In the FS's magical system, the libido during sexual intercourse was transferred from the sexual partner to the astral égregore. In concrete terms, this meant all that heterosexual and homosexual activity was conducted with the use of wordshells/euphemisms (Holy, Logos, Saturn, etc.) to feed the égregore's vitality. These efforts to identify the Saturn Order with an (at least) astral Golem, a Homunculus, an image or statue brought to life, or else some other form of android to build up power, is quite different from the practises of other O.T.O. groups, who are effectively engaged in a quest for the 'Elixir of Life' in the form of psychosexual secretions to gain self-empowerment, or to contact spirits. Nonetheless, this has not prevented some membrs of the so-called 'Caliphate' O.T.O. (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/megafile.htm) from joining the Ordo Saturni; in the Saturn lodges this 'elixir' was mostly used for anointing the statue of the GOTOS (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/gotos.htm).

Baphomet and the O.T.O.

The égregore has never been an important issue to other O.T.O. groups. As Marcelo Ramos Motta (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/brazil.htm) wrote: "the Egregora does exist in the so-called 'astral plane' and it is a demon, that is to say, an illusory entity. It is not a true Microcosm, but a gestalt of vitalized shells, a focus for everything that is negative, defeatist, maudlin, bigoted, introverted in human nature - a morass completely hostile to progress and to the spiritual evolution of mankind."
The publication of an earlier version of the foregoing sections (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fs3.htm) in this essay caused some interest among members of the 'Typhonian' O.T.O. (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/staley.htm) following the FS example, they duly devised what they called an 'Égregore Map' from various more or less Thelemic entities: Lam, Olun, Aiwass, Maat, Babalon, and the Beast. "It can be defined as the group spirit (super-consciousness) of all the members of a particular Order... It is analogous to the running of magical computer programs across a network of adepts or members, in order to access necessary gnosis and guidance from the Secret Chiefs. This can be done using these égregore maps because they express the laws of Creation and the Fall through their symbolism. They allow people to free themselves from the lust of result by the externalisation of the Holy Guardian Angel into the égregore."
The égregore is by definition a created soul (psychogon); according to Aleister Crowley it serves mostly to realise of wishes, and is consequently a 'helpmeet-spirit' who obeys the Holy Guardian Angel as in the Abramelin system (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/html/abrameli.htm). The 'Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage' (see illustrations 1 (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/staley/abramel.jpg) & 2 (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/staley/abramel2.jpg)) describes one method of attaining communication with one's guardian angel; every human being has an individual spiritual power, a divine mirror image called the Holy Guardian Angel, who restores a link to the divine for human beings engulfed in matter. Once contact with the Guardian Angel has been established - after six lunar months of asceticism and constant devotional prayer - the magician may then (if he dares) invoke armies of demons and servile spirits to do his will.
From the other side, it could reasonably be claimed that the guardian angel gets something in return. In the ecstasy of a human orgasm, the Angel attains a vision of the Universe as a continuous, unblemished phenomenon, where it is separated from the pure union of human with the divine; and thus the Angel finds wholeness in the human to whom it ministers.
Many FS techniques, like absorbing the libido from sexual partners may also be found in O.T.O. lodges. But in the OTO, the method is to transfer the libido's energy to one's own ego and its adjuncts. The Order becomes a substitute for the archetypal Mother, while its charismatic leader is transformed into a substitute for the corresponding Father-figure. This practice started with Carl Kellner (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/ck.htm), whose female followers wore a locket containing a photograph of him, and the lamen, or magical shield of the Memphis-Misraim Rite (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/mm.htm): a sphinx within a pyramid under a blazing sun. Kellner viewed his self-created office as Baphomet as descending from the Babylonian priesthood. However, in Richard Payne Knight's interpretation, Baphomet was an androgynous figure who united active and passive polarities. Kellner apparently did not accept Éliphas Lévi's diabolic interpretation of Baphomet, which Crowley was later to use in the 'Devil' card of his Thoth Tarot designs. Indeed, Crowley always described himself as Baphomet in connection with the O.T.O., and considered this to unite the offices of both Inner and Outer Head of the Order in himself - they were linked in the concept of the homosexual eleventh degree of the O.T.O. [This might explain the 'Caliph' William Breeze's assumption of the XIth degree (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/xi.htm)]. It is not known whether he ever tried to bring an image to life (except the skeleton he fed with blood at his Chancery Lane 'Black Temple'), or to use Baphomet as an égregore in the FS sense. Certainly, when his follower Jack Parsons (http://www.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/staley/staley11.htm) tried to create a homunculus with the aid of sex-magic (and the founder of Scientology, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard), Crowley reacted angrily, calling the affair "nonsense".
Crowley, alias Baphomet XI°, assumed the rôle of an idealised father-figure in his rescension of the O.T.O. By idolising Crowley/Baphomet in this way, his followers nurtured precociously regressive sadistic and anal attitudes, which tended to be acted out in the form of oral aggression, as a consequence of a significant upset of the balance between fantasy and reality. As the central idol of the Crowleyan O.T.O. there stood a golden phallus, with which the sex-magician was meant to identify himself in the form of an ejaculating penis. In O.T.O. groups of this school there is little possibility of using such phallocentric and narcissistic behaviour as a way of obtaining solitary communion with an égregore. Energies liberated in this way would generate 'disorder' in 'practicing' individuals (at least in the higher degrees). The imitation of Crowley's biography stimulates dramatic relationships and drug-addiction. There is no Gnosis here. No, not even here, where a Gnostic sense of an intolerable existence is reflected in several different O.T.O. Orders all at war with each other; these merely show that there is a yawning void between the 'rotten places' and the Pleroma.
With these O.T.O.'s, the light at the end of the tunnel for seekers is the corpse-light glimmer from carefully contrived schemes and inducements towards sensuality and self-indulgence; it shines on a mouthful of semen, and illuminates no more than ready-made images, images which are endlessly imitated, regurgitated and thoroughly manufactured.



Interesting post ES :)

[eternal_spirit]

Stranded Bishops

Halfway considering the duties of the Manichaean Elect (to concentrate the Light, the sparkling leftover when the Logos spermatikos left man, imprisoned in matter, by consuming such foods) Crowley neglected the ascetic aspect of Manicheism (who avoided activities which would tend to disperse that Light) but concentrated upon building up a brilliant Body of Light fitted for return to the Blessed Realm. (37*)
For his Holy Host Crowley gave a recipe using blood and sperm. (38*) In order to avoid a HIV-infection the current American O.T.O. (the 1977- founded "Caliphate") advises to bake the host at 160 degree Fahrenheit in the oven. (39*)
The IXth becomes a parody of the Christian Eucharist with further refinements of the techniques related to the consumption of the Elixir/Host. Absorption occurs through the mucous membrane of the roof of the mouth, rather than swallowing it because the delicate protein fabric enveloping the essence will get broken down by the acids of the digestive system before it has had a chance to integrate into the mind-body symbiosis. In the case of the mouth there is the digestive activity of the saliva. This must also affect the "delicate protein fabric enveloping the essence" to some degree, the longer it is kept in the mouth.
In 1983 this new O.T.O. group decided "that at the 9* level there are no politics. It is an autocratic structure. The qualifications of the 9* are only significant to the 9*. Their qualifications are only of interest to other 9*." [Minutes of the 28 March 1983 meeting]
The "Caliphate"-"Gnostic Church" also parodies the Roman Catholic traditions in introducing offices like "Patriarch", "Archbishop", "Bishop", (Novitiate) "Priest"/"Priestess" and "Deacon" (Priest and Deacon already appear in Reuss/Crowley's Gnostic Mass of the 1910s) (21*). Nowadays, they offer services like: Baptism Ceremony for a Child, Baptism Ceremony for an Adult, Confirmation Ceremony, Ceremony for Ordination of a Deacon, A Wedding Ceremony, A Ceremony for a Greater Feast for Death, A Basic Exorcism Rite (there seems to be a growing emphasis on exorcism), A Ceremony for Visitation and Administration of the Virtues to the Sick; they have a Saintship (no woman appears on this list) and Animal Benefictions [once at http://www.scarletwoman.org/soter/beastb.htm].(43*)
Christian prayers are attached also to the "Caliphate"-V*-ritual: "The Litany of the Holy Name of Jesus", "The Litany of St. Joseph" and "The Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary". This is to be taken as reference to the Aeonic Magus of the LAST Aeon, as a reminder that these Great Cycles build each upon the others ... also that the True Master was not at all the political hatchet job made of Him by Paulism. These prayers (that is, the initiation rituals) are accompanied by music of Mozart, Holst, Strauss, Mahler and the like. (44*)
Obviously unaware of the traditional meaning of the expression "Wandering Bishops" (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/bishops.htm), some of their "bishops" call themselves "Landed Bishops".

http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/elixir.jpg

Clotted Chakras

The Ordo Templi Orientis was, and still is, a secret part of the ethnological underground of civilisation that seeks acceptance through the mainstream culture. At the bottom of that dark well, lies only a mouthful of sperm. Because this fact is too simplistic, and maybe to shameful; it is wrapped into many "word shells"/euphemisms. While the ancient Gnostics headed directly towards the religious technicalities of dealing with sperm (avoiding ejaculation or consuming the sexual fluids); the modern Gnostics promote innumerable traditional ways, in Eastern and Western traditions, of salvation outside spermo-Gnosticism; (45*) only to hide the sperm in the inner sanctuary of their organisazion. (46*) Also the crack in the universe is attempted to be healed with sacrifices, liturgies, chants, and consecrations. But the mystery has gone astray: there is too much materialism in the O.T.O.-groups; and this tears the seeker down to earth, and hinders him from becoming one with the Divine. After many years of paying membership fees; and after having bought their beloved leaders' books; and even after they already know the "secret": one day an O.T.O.-member may discover by accident or suffering experience, that the order's scheme of salvation has not brought Gnosis. Because the pseudo-masonical Ordo Templi Orientis has such a complex grade structure, (47*) taking many years to complete and to pay for, and blends the simple Gnostic doctrines of technical psychology with all the other religious tools and with the biography of their charismatic leaders; the organisazion itself becomes an intensely "rotten place". Unfraternal behaviour between members, inflated egos, (48*) lying, game-playing, subterfuges and hysteria; cause endless splits, in-fights and even court proceedings. All this compounded together can make the O.T.O. an almost unbearable place.
Aleister Crowley's O.T.O.-groups are filled up with his concept of Thelema: a new scheme to sort out History, Religion, Philosophy, Magick and everyday life. (49*) A lot of Crowley-O.T.O.-members do not feel that sperm only transports the Holy Logos. (50*) This originally is considered a misunderstanding of the process of procreation. With the advance of Science, they assume that both the male and the female are both equally responsible for procreation. Nevertheless they follow the qabalistic sense of the male seed as the Logos to a certain extent: the woman functions as the "giver of form." (51*) Gnostic doctrines are modified in Thelema as the doctrine of True Will: that every man and woman has a "reason" to be here: that they have "chosen" to descend into this rotten place, that they have a mission to accomplish, which they have forgotten. It is their task not simply to escape, but also to remember why they came, and to fulfill this function. (52*) Nevertheless, Thelema itself seems to radiate decay. (53*)


Lot's more here


http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/spermo.htm

[eternal_spirit]

Interesting post ES :)

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Fascinating :eek::)

[eternal_spirit]

would you please give it a rest.... If I call you ignorant, that is not calling you names... it is expressing how I feel you are not aware of much...

If I was to call you a "Prick" ...or a "Turd" then that would be calling you names.... Grow up.


If somone does not understand something, is there really any point in arguing?.... you whole understanding on the occult is compleatly off track so how can one expect you to come close to understanding anything about Crowley...
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT, I AM PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE INCITE FOR ANYONE ELSE INTERESTING IN LEARNING ABOUT HIM....

THINK WHAT YOU LIKE, I DONT CARE.

the way you and others are banging on and throwing your toys out of your pram because of this is one of the reasons I first started to show an interest in Crowley to start with...

I think I am big enough to look after my self and I feel I am mature enough to read Crowley works.

If you dont want to, then dont!.


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Only if you will!

jeez, this coming from someone who knows less than me.

TW if you know anything worth knowing let's have it.........tell us all about Crowley and the occult and how it's used etc...Prove why you think you're on the right track. ( prob better to start a new thread named Guru Wave imparts his wisdom )

I asked you these question almost a year ago and you still haven't come up with a decent answer....( and don't start bullshitting and having a go at me when you reply.... because of your lack of knowlege and experience. If you do start having a go at me this will be my last reply too you)

[eternal_spirit]

No!!, Im not going to tell people what to think, its up to them... I would just advize people to not take your word for it... and I have stated my reasons why.

I will advize them to read some of Crowleys own stuff... and judge him from face value.... Do I want to give someone a whole education on what I feel the occult is about in order for them to see him in a different perspective...no, I will just leave it up to them.

You know very little about the occult and your embarrassing attempts to attack Tsarion with it exposing nothing but your self.




Hu? .. LOL, me not answering you...

Im still waiting to find out why you are not a christian... Im still waiting to find out what those icons means in your Evidence about Tsarion....

What on earth have I not answered??. You ask me what I think of the occult.. I have told you many times... look at my sig!! :rolleyes:

you ask me what I think Crowley's view on the occult was I believe in the last thread I posted more than enough and I believe that DB has provided even more text here from the words of the man him self... and you come up with some crap about me not answering????

I am not buying your research, I would advise others see for them selves....

Does this sound like disinfo to you??? ..asking people to judge the tree by its fruit rather than have you tell them what its like?





LOL, o give it a rest about bloody Nuit!, she gave you a prick tease mate, some girls tend to do it... get over it!

so now all crazy tricksters on the net are Crowley followers...

I don't go around doing that thing.... neither do other people I know, so there is your claim shot down in flames fight there!

You are a typical Christian too trapped in your ridged belief system to contemplate anything else.... and too hung up on your rule book to learn anything.... your who view on the occult and anything out side of Christianity for that matter is contained with in 4 small walls.

If you want to see this stuff as evil and satanic then you are free to do so.... Im not trying to change your mind... I am merely offering another perspective to people, they can still read his work and come to the same conclusion as you do if they so wish.... what's the problem?

I think people should be free to make their own judgement without being forced to except all your google links as the whole story an nothing but the truth... AND even have you try to tell them that his own words were not even his, as usual purely based on what you want to believe. You want to talk about agendas!???

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Like I thought you have no knowledge and missed my points entirely one was this...."No one knows for certain what texts/books are the originals written by AC, how much has been added taken away etc. You're basing your view on faith if you think your getting the original texts."


And failed to answer any questions. You've just spread more lies about me and jumped to insanley deluded conclusions about me being something like a fundamentalist Bible worshipping Christian ( ILL SAY IT AGAIN for the last time I'm not at all religious nor do I follow any religion ) I know who and what I am and it's nothing like what you think.

[thirdwave]

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Like I thought you have no knowledge and missed my points entirely one was this...."No one knows for certain what texts/books are the originals written by AC, how much has been added taken away etc. You're basing your view on faith if you think your getting the original texts."

another typical ignorant and in fact arrogant approach us usual from the Christian perspective..... Because you seem to have this big desire to make sure that the man is seen in the same light as a certain perspective see him as, so much so that you will even just pick up a random accusation from thin air and expect others to run around looking for evidence to show how full of crap it is....

If you have any info on false texts created for Crowley, then lets see it... if not I really will not waste my time with you on that.

I can also ask you to prove that much of the info you have sent has not also been manipulated and created for the required effect.

We can only go by the texts of Crowley available to us...his books and other things he was involved with....so on....

who ever has written them has been very effective because many people have been interested in them, including very inspirational people. I am recommending people research these texts and judge him on face value other than be influence by others views on him.... of course people can then choose to never read his books again if they so wish...

I would like to point out it is you who is objecting to this.... I have no problem if people don't like him but I do have a problem with not being able to offer an alternative view.




And failed to answer any questions.

Hu??


You've just spread more lies about me and jumped to insanley deluded conclusions about me being something like a fundamentalist Bible worshipping Christian

No I did not, I have said that I think you are a Christian...never said anything about you being a fundamentalist Bible worshipper.... I believe you are simply a Christian who has a judgement that is influenced by the bible. If you are not then I think you have simply been sucked in by the info and education created by it.


( ILL SAY IT AGAIN for the last time I'm not at all religious nor do I follow any religion ) I know who and what I am and it's nothing like what you think.

The fact that you defend Christianity at every given moment and that you share the exact same beliefs and short comings in terms of understanding anything outside of it, leads me to believe you are simply not being honest now and like a good few on the net, like to keep it hidden, (as "we just don't understand").

Although if for some odd reason you are not a Christian ... Why?

[mondo23]

All this Crowley bashing amuses me immensely. There's alot of speculation about him but is any of it actually true? Is it a case that if things are said enough that they become true?
I had a conversation with someone I work with about Crowley recently and he was shaking his head and saying things like 'ooh Crowley was, ooh I dont know, he was evil and did all these bad things, and wotisname from Led Zeppelin is a follower etc etc' and he was shaking his head as if Crowley was THE most evil man that ever existed. Which of course is utter tripe. I asked him how he knew all this and he said he had just heard people talk about him in the past. So basically that formed his opnion right from the off never to be questioned or investigated.
I used to have that opinion to. Then I started to read Robert Anton Wilson books and Tim Leary books, both of which were heavily into Crowley, RAW being an Outer head of the OTO for a while. Are both these men evil, blood drinking, child sacrificing, Illuminati brotherhood manipulators? Of course not.
Since these 2 free-thinkers are my heroes and in my opinion a credit to humanity I thought that there must be more to this Crowley fella than what I had previously considered, and that was mainly he appealed to miserable Goths in their late teens who listened to Tool ot Therion or some other dodgy theatrical metal band.
I started to buy Crowleys books starting with the Book of the Law and trauled the internet downloading and printing alot of his less known and hard to find writings. I bought Crowley related books by Israel Regardie and Lon Milo Duquette and others. I read as many biogs as I could find some of which were bias towards or against him. Then I got hold of Perdurabo by Richard Kascinski and out of all the boigs I have ever read about Crowley I would say it the most well research, balanced and in depth biog of Crowley ever written. It stays away from the sensationalist stuff that is bandied about and sticks to what is actually know to be true about the man.
Another thing that strikes me about those that are either Thelemites or follow Crowleys work in some way is that they are without doubt, good honest people who absolutley never ever impose their will upon others.
I know a few Thelemites and theyre great people to be around and they never take themselves too seriously. As far as I can tell, thats not come from the influence of some evil satanic, child murderer who had a hand in starting WW2 or was the father of Barbara Bush.
Do what thou wilt shall be the hole in the floor :p

[mondo23]

To go slightly off topic, anyone had any experience with the Goetia? I have it on my bookshelf just to add to my 'evil' collection of 'satanic' Crowley books but have never taken it seriously. Ive heard from various people that it shouldnt be messed with and from others that it has benefited them well and still from others that it has no value at all or that it is now defunct. I'd like to hear from anyone that has worked with it and what came of it.
Thanks.

[quickening666]

I bought Crowley related books by Israel Regardie

Although Crowley is not the main topic, Isreal Regardie's "The Middle Pillar" is a must read.

[eternal_spirit]

Well, 33rd degree Freemasons and ( above as Crowley was ) are known for missleading the people. MI6 and the CIA pushed and promoted what you take as your heroes/influences. There's a saying "they give us our champions." And it's obvious for those here cannot believe or accept anything bad said about AC, too them it's all lies.

It was decided that the Culture Creators would push the New Age as far back as Blavatsky and the Theosophical Societies. Anyway check this little lot out follow the link to get a grasp of what I'm explaining.



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=339723&postcount=62

[thirdwave]

Well, 33rd degree Freemasons and ( above as Crowley was ) are known for missleading the people. MI6 and the CIA pushed and promoted what you take as your heroes/influences. There's a saying "they give us our champions." And it's obvious for those here cannot believe or accept anything bad said about AC, too them it's all lies.

It was decided that the Culture Creators would push the New Age as far back as Blavatsky and the Theosophical Societies. Anyway check this little lot out follow the link to get a grasp of what I'm explaining.



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=339723&postcount=62



out of interest... AW stated in an audio once that he received some info from a Freemason friend of his.... Could it be that some of them are trustworthy?

I personally do not think that everyone associated with a secret society is evil... we certainly know that many are and we know all about an agenda they have yes, but I think there is more to it.

I also think that they have changed over the years as everything else has...
they to have become more contained and controlled today... like everything else.

The Freemasons hated Crowley and actually attacked him with Magick... and he was certainly no friend of the PTB. He was not really with good guys and not really with the bad guys.... it really is down to ones own judgement. He was much smarter than the freemasons and saw them as not much more awake that religious people..

[thirdwave]

Although Crowley is not the main topic, Isreal Regardie's "The Middle Pillar" is a must read.

mmm yeah I saw a video on how that 3 pillar symbol is everywhere!...

just the title of this book says it all!

[eternal_spirit]

Tavistock

Reinventing the World



In the wake of the Enlightenment, the notion arose of an intellectual elite, a distinguished social stratum that can be traced far back into classical history. The elite classes of intellectuals or well-educated people emerged in most European countries

The intelligentsia is a social class of people engaged in complex mental and creative labor directed to the development and dissemination of culture, encompassing intellectuals and social groups close to them (e.g., artists, mystics, psychologists, psychiatrists, scientists and teachers). It is the forerunner of what we can call the ‘psychedelic intelligentsia’ and today’s New Age spiritual fusion.

Utopian socialism is the philosophical root of modern socialist thought. Anyone can be a utopian socialist, but the trend emerged in the first quarter of the 19th century. From the mid-19th century onwards, the other branches of socialism overtook utopianism in popularity.

Societies are cyclic, always in a continual process of constructing themselves and destructing from within. Utopian socialists are forerunners of communal hippie life, intentional communities and cooperatives. Utopian nostalgia is exemplified in the Star Trek and Star Wars philosophy. Its dystopian reflection is The Matrix, the postmodern Brave New World.

Quasi-socialist intellectuals created hypothetical visions of perfect egalitarian and communal societies without actually concerning themselves with the manner in which these societies could be sustained. Yet, they shared a dream.

The Occult Revival

Theosophical studies cover the origin and development of the cosmos and human development in all the planes of being from its beginning to its end. It is a philosophy of process, transformation, and evolution toward an extraordinary human potential. Out of this Utopian and scientific socialism came Theosophy, British” guild" socialism, the Fabian Society, Bertrand Russell, H. G. Wells, Tavistock and iconoclast Aleister Crowley.

Aleister Crowley is an infamous occultist. Occultism has served as "an alternative account of the world, available to people dissatisfied with the orthodox view of things, scientifically and politically, since the late 18th century. Older than Theosophy with roots in kabbalah, Hermetics, and pantheism, Magick was a practical application of causing change to conform with will using similar principles. They both embrace the Hermetic Axiom: “As Above; So Below,” which reflects the identity of man as a microcosm.

The Cryptocracy, through economics and mass mind control is involved in the transformation or "alchemical processing" of mass consciousness by psychological mind manipulation. With the help of these foundations and secret societies, experiments in world shaping continue multimedia and military campaigns. The goal is to seed and control megatrends so the masses live as controlled puppets – wage slaves -- of the ruling elite.

Occult societies have a long tradition of influence peddling and providing covers for espionage. They are conduits of trust that transcend national borders and can cover a spy network. Naturally, occultists influenced one anothers’ beliefs, whether it was acknowledged or not.

Black intelligence ops, “Esoterics” has always been a department in most intelligence services. In MI6, it was called the Occult Bureau. The SS also had an Occult Bureau. The Watch were FDR’s supersecret team for occult countermeasures, arcane assassinations, paranormal and psychic investigation. After the war, The Watch redirected its interest to UFO phenomena.

Theosophical studies cover the origin and development of the cosmos and human development in all the planes of being from its beginning to its end. It is a philosophy of process, transformation, and evolution toward an extraordinary human potential. Out of this Utopian and scientific socialism came Theosophy, British” guild" socialism, the Fabian Society, Bertrand Russell, H. G. Wells, Tavistock and iconoclast Aleister Crowley.

Aleister Crowley is an infamous occultist. Occultism has served as "an alternative account of the world, available to people dissatisfied with the orthodox view of things, scientifically and politically, since the late 18th century. Older than Theosophy with roots in kabbalah, Hermetics, and pantheism, Magick was a practical application of causing change to conform with will using similar principles. They both embrace the Hermetic Axiom: “As Above; So Below,” which reflects the identity of man as a microcosm.

The Cryptocracy, through economics and mass mind control is involved in the transformation or "alchemical processing" of mass consciousness by psychological mind manipulation. With the help of these foundations and secret societies, experiments in world shaping continue multimedia and military campaigns. The goal is to seed and control megatrends so the masses live as controlled puppets – wage slaves -- of the ruling elite.

Occult societies have a long tradition of influence peddling and providing covers for espionage. They are conduits of trust that transcend national borders and can cover a spy network. Naturally, occultists influenced one anothers’ beliefs, whether it was acknowledged or not.

Black intelligence ops, “Esoterics” has always been a department in most intelligence services. In MI6, it was called the Occult Bureau. The SS also had an Occult Bureau. The Watch were FDR’s supersecret team for occult countermeasures, arcane assassinations, paranormal and psychic investigation. After the war, The Watch redirected its interest to UFO phenomena.
Jim Keith writes extensively on the subject in Casebook on Alternative 3: As can be seen by the activities of US and British business, statecraft, occult groups, and “aristocracy,’ the Nazis were no isolated phenomenon, only one expression of a multi-faceted and murderous world wide game... Shortly after the collapse of the Third Reich... General Reinhard Gehlen, Nazi spymaster and Knight of Malta-to-be, began negotiations with Allan Dulles and the American O.S.S. Using Nazi intelligence networks as a hole card to provide for his own survival and the survival of his huge spy network, Gehlen made a separate peace with Dulles, resulting in the clean grafting of Nazi spy apparatus to the American clandestine services. This was the birth of the C.I.A.


BRAINWASHING CENTRAL
Tavistock: Mass Brainwashing Institute


Tavistock Institute has long been known as the precursor to the infamous CIA MK-ULTRA mind control program. Some say the Nazi doctor, Mengele, was secretly trained at Tavistock Institute before World War II began. Special Intelligence Service (SIS) of MI6 dealt with all types of mind control. Tavistock was under SIS.


Tavistock’s agenda is used to topple governments. Tavistock’s objective is to eventually control entire populations between the use of drugs and sophisticated mind control techniques, including group dynamics. Sigmund Freud was Tavistock's first director, followed by his daughter, Anna Tavistock programs were used to program the postwar leaders of Germany's government, churches, schools, corporations, etc., from among the POWs who were easy to manipulate.


Research into the use of microwave weapons and their use for mind control began in 1950s at the Tavistock Institute, one of Britain's leading psychiatric research establishments. The UK institute was researching into ways of mind controlling the British population without them knowing.


Dr. John Coleman, former intelligence officer with Britain's MI6 and author of Conspirators Hierarchy, The Committee of 300, was one of the first writers to bring the world's attention to the existence of the pivotal role that Tavistock plays in shaping political, social, educational, and economic 'opinions', especially in the United States.


Tavistock, a progressive society, was founded in London in 1920; the Tavistock Clinic opened in 1920. It always had secret ties to British Freemasonry. Its aims include social control, information control; and control of the hidden information environment. Practically, his means it has control mechanisms in academia, multimedia, intelligence, and medicine especially pharmaceuticals. Tavistock is part of the global shadow government.


No group did more to propagandize the U.S. to participate in WWI and WWII at a time when the majority of the American people were opposed to it.

British oligarchs used Tavistock to shape and control public opinion in order to manipulate the British public (and later the American public) into accepting the notion that war with Germany was necessary in order "to secure a lasting peace." The plan to 'create' public opinion began in 1913 as a propaganda factory centered at Wellington House in London.
Funding was initially provided by the Royal family, but soon to include the Rothchilds (related to Lord Northcliffe by marriage) and the Rockefellers. Wellington House would grow into the Tavistock Institute in 1921 after the propaganda "victories" of the First World War and the Federal Reserve banking system (created in 1913) had been secured. Three elements combine to make the Institute unusual, if not unique: it has the independence of being entirely self-financing, with no subsidies from the government or other sources; the action research orientation places it between, but not in, the worlds of academia and consultancy; and its range of disciplines include anthropology, economics, organizational behavior, political science, psychoanalysis, psychology and sociology.

We assume large corporations have economic objectives. But we don't expect them to have a secret social and occult agenda as well. For example, we don't expect them to engineer arrested development and family breakdown. We don't expect them to use pop culture to foster alienation and dysfunction. But evidence suggests Tavistock and its sister organizations do exactly that.

Central bankers based in the City of London control the cartels that dominate the world. They finagled the right to print money based on our credit and quite naturally used this advantage to buy everything worth having. This might be tolerable if limitless wealth was all they wanted. But they also want limitless power: not just one-world dictatorship but total control over our minds and souls. Popular culture is engineered to brainwash each of us from cradle to grave. Trends and megatrends are manufactured, engineered by corporations.

Society evolves slowly toward "social efficiency" all by itself; society under stress, however, evolves much faster! Thus the deliberate creation of crisis is an important tool of evolutionary socialists. Does that help you understand the global drama a little better, or well-publicized doomsday scenarios?

Tavistock provided most of the detailed programs for establishing the Office of Naval Intelligence, (ONI). This wing of intelligence dwarfs the CIA in size and scope. The U.S. Government gave billion dollar contracts to Tavistock. Tavistock’s strategic planners provide most of the long-range plans used in the defense establishment.
According to LaRouche and other authorities,Tavistock organized and trained the entire staffs of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the Strategic Bombing Survey, Supreme Headquarters of the Allied Expeditionary Forces, and other key American military groups during World War II. During World War II, the Tavistock Institute combined with the medical sciences division of the Rockefeller Foundation for esoteric experiments with mind-altering drugs. The present drug culture of the United States is traced in its entirety to this Institute, which supervised the Central Intelligence Agency’s training programs. The "LSD counter culture" originated when Sandoz A.G., a Swiss pharmaceutical house owned by S.G. Warburg & Co., developed a new drug from lysergic acid, called LSD. James Paul Warburg (son of Paul Warburg who had written the Federal Reserve Act in 1910), financed a subsidiary of the Tavistock Institute in the United States called the Institute for Policy Studies, whose director, Marcus Raskin, was appointed to the National Security Council. James Paul Warburg set up a CIA program to experiment with LSD on CIA agents, some of whom later committed suicide. This program, MK-Ultra, supervised by Dr. Gottlieb, resulted in huge lawsuits against the United States Government by the families of the victims.The English Tavistock Institute has not restricted its activities to left-wing groups, but has also directed the programs of such supposedly "conservative" American think tanks as the Herbert Hoover Institute at Stanford University, Heritage Foundation, Wharton, Hudson, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Rand. The "sensitivity training" and "sexual encounter" programs of the most radical California groups such as Esalen Institute and its many imitators were all developed and implemented by Tavistock Institute psychologists. http://www.whale.to/b/tavistock_q.html

Manipulating the masses is easy if you know how. There were gray eminencies hiding within the tie-dye patterns and sexy macramé halter tops who made sure that the sixties generation would burn out according to plan.

Those involved in the CIA's MK- ULTRA program (both handlers and handlerees), the FBI's COINTELPRO operation and, of course, the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations, where the Founding Fathers of mind control still reside. Among their alumni are Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Kurt Lewin, R.D. Laing, and other headshrinkers. There is a large statue of Freud near the entrance to the Tavistock Center, 120 Belsize Lane, a short distance from the Freud museum.

http://occultespionage.50megs.com/whats_new_2.html

[thelonious]

Jesus, this thread is completely asinine.

I discovered Crowley while still in my teens. I found him to be brilliant, and his rebelliousness suited my own. He is a definite must-read for *ALL* spiritual anarchists.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thelonius

I have my own personal opinions about Aleister Crowley, that are really not relevant to the discussion. I'm certainly no "pro-Crowley propagandist". I admire the depth of his scholarship, and am constantly amused and entertained by his rebellious attitude, his utter contempt for the status quo, and his bizarre sense of humor. However, the man certainly had psychological and emotional problems, and I do not condone his personal behaviour.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=267388&postcount=90

[damagedbrainn]

Why do satanic groups need to call themselves Satanists and why do COS Temple of Set, use part of Crowley's teachings as well as Levi's ( based much on Kabbalah ) He blended Hinduism and Buddhism amongst other things, Christianity was also used. SET was to the Egyptian's as what Satan is to Christianity.

Why do Satanists use aspects of Christianity? Because "satan" is a concept of Christianity...he's part of the religion's mythos. Likewise, groups such as the Temple of Set are descended from Crowley's Thelema in a similar fashion as Satanism and Luciferianism is descended from Judaism and Christianity.

The "Left-Hand Path" groups, while borrowing heavily from Crowley's work, generally oppose his Thelema's goal of destroying the ego to attain "enlightenment" (a goal similar to Buddhism and Taoism). Rather, they believe in cultivating and enforcing the ego (Setianism, Chaos Magick). Chaos Magick (as well as factions of Wicca and the general New Age) involves a lot of "magick" designed to gratify immediate desires, often which are purely materialistic in nature....a practice which was viewed by Crowley as "black magick".

Other groups, in contrast to both the Golden Dawn system and Crowley's, focus their study and practice on the adverse aspects of Qabala, namely the qlippoth and the Tree of Death.

These groups typically have different methods and goals to the ones put forth as "proper" by Crowley, though they are not all necessarily opposed to Crowley and his system, which, despite popular perception, is generally viewed as "right-hand path" by those who know what they're talking about.

This difference is often exhibited by these groups by taking on the names of gods who were, in one way or another, an "adversary" to Crowley's Horus. Though the broader mythological accounts of these various gods is far more complex and nuanced (often contradicting one another depending upon their source), in the simplistic view of the western occult, these gods would be:
1) Set, who was the opponent of Horus, and according to one legend, killed and dismembered his father Osiris; ie, The Temple of Set
2) Typhon, who was equated to Set, due to the various legends which portrayed him as attacking and killing other gods such as Horus, Pan, Zeus, etc....; ie, The Typhonian O.T.O., founded by Kenneth Grant
3) Cronus (Kronos), known by the Romans as Saturn...who has been associated with other gods such as Moloch (though it's technically inaccurate), Ba'al, and, by a couple of degrees of separation, Set...who attempted to devour his son, Zeus/Jupiter; ie, the Saturn branches of the O.T.O. which you have posted about
4) And, of course, Chaos Magick uses the "demon" Choronzon; though their depiction of him is closer to the original version, as described by John Dee, than how he has been depicted by the Golden Dawn and Crowley as simply the demon of the "abyss".

The Egyptians allegedly sacraficed humans to SET. There's a group known as Setians as well as temple of Set.

I've never come across any mythological or historical depiction of people committing human sacrifice to Set. If you have, then please share. In the earliest myths involving Set, he was actually a "good guy" who protected and defended the sun god Ra from the serpent Apep. His transformation into an "evil" god was likely politically motivated by the war between Upper and Lower Egypt (Upper Egypt worshiping Osiris/Horus, Lower Egypt worshiping Set). That's often how it goes....two factions go to war, the gods of the losing side become devils, and the gods of the winners become saviors.

The closest thing to human sacrifice among Egyptian mythology was portrayed by a certain faction of the Osiris Cult, though in actual practice, it was a bull that was sacrificed and not a person; however, that likely descended from older practices which most likely did involve human sacrifice...the idea being that one could inherit the power of a "god" by invoking that god into a person's body and then killing and consuming that person ("sacred cannibalism"). Not too different from the Eucharist ritual of Catholicism.


Bal bel, Bil, moloch all same sacraficial type Gods. These could of been the names given to Satan in earlier times.
There's a whole army of fallen angels, demons that are summoned in Kabbalistic Demonology.

Close enough. The mythology and history of Baal is too complicated to go into in full detail...as with others, he was also portrayed by some myths as a "good guy", and in the oldest forms "Baal" was simply a title meaning "Lord" rather than the name of one particular deity. One of those gods with this title was Moloch. In the western Occult of the Golden Dawn and Crowley, Moloch was the ruler of the Tree of Death, often used synonymously with the position more commonly held by "Satan".

[thirdwave]

quote: thelonius

I have my own personal opinions about Aleister Crowley, that are really not relevant to the discussion. I'm certainly no "pro-Crowley propagandist". I admire the depth of his scholarship, and am constantly amused and entertained by his rebellious attitude, his utter contempt for the status quo, and his bizarre sense of humor. However, the man certainly had psychological and emotional problems, and I do not condone his personal behaviour.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=267388&postcount=90


you are starting to change your tune!, bewfore you have just branded him as scum who has nothing to say... and so on... and have often scoffed at the fact I have some respect for the guy.

and when you say his behaviour... he did not do anything to anyone else he does it to him self and never justified him self and never felt the need to....

most of what is written is earth egsadurated or rubbish...

Im not even a Crowley scholar, but I have read up enough to know he was a smart person and with all what's going on at the moment is an educational read...

How many other ex masons you know putting out so much info?

[damagedbrainn]

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Only if you will!

jeez, this coming from someone who knows less than me.

TW if you know anything worth knowing let's have it.........tell us all about Crowley and the occult and how it's used etc...Prove why you think you're on the right track. ( prob better to start a new thread named Guru Wave imparts his wisdom )

I asked you these question almost a year ago and you still haven't come up with a decent answer....( and don't start bullshitting and having a go at me when you reply.... because of your lack of knowlege and experience. If you do start having a go at me this will be my last reply too you)

Nuit is a prime example of someone who is obssessed with Crowley, she was trying to do black magic curses. And is one of the most decietful liars I've ever had the misfortune to know.

There is nothing in any of Crowley's writings which instructs people on how to deliver "curses".

[damagedbrainn]

"The Golden Dawn anoter group Crowley belonged to is the organisation of witchcraft, the 4th block up there, and it's the Rothschild's private coven. They choose every member personally."

Where does that even come from? First I've heard of it.
Again, simple statements are not facts and you saying so is not proof.

He says C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkein were both members of Golden Dawn.

Possible. C.S. Lewis did study the occult prior to his conversion to Christianity...though I'm not sure about Tolkien. However, I haven't seen anything which links either of them to the Golden Dawn nor have I seen either of them listed as members.

Grand Druid Isaac Bonewitz and the ACLU started an organization to sue Christians who defame the Occult.

I have no idea who Isaac Bonewitz is.

He includes Scientology and The National Council of Churches in the Illuminati structure.{/QUOTE]

Who does? Bonewitz? And how is that related to the previous sentence.

[QUOTE=eternal_spirit;339409]Btw, the ACLU, comes from the same place as the ADL. They like nothing more to call people such as David Icke racist anti-semites.

Nonsense. The ACLU has been instrumental in keeping "hate speech" laws out of America and has been vilified by both the right and the left for doing so. They even defended those religious assholes who would protest the funerals of homosexuals and Iraqi troops on the grounds of freedom of speech and the right to assembly.

[eternal_spirit]

Why do Satanists use aspects of Christianity? Because "satan" is a concept of Christianity...he's part of the religion's mythos. Likewise, groups such as the Temple of Set are descended from Crowley's Thelema in a similar fashion as Satanism and Luciferianism is descended from Judaism and Christianity.

The "Left-Hand Path" groups, while borrowing heavily from Crowley's work, generally oppose his Thelema's goal of destroying the ego to attain "enlightenment" (a goal similar to Buddhism and Taoism). Rather, they believe in cultivating and enforcing the ego (Setianism, Chaos Magick). Chaos Magick (as well as factions of Wicca and the general New Age) involves a lot of "magick" designed to gratify immediate desires, often which are purely materialistic in nature....a practice which was viewed by Crowley as "black magick".

Other groups, in contrast to both the Golden Dawn system and Crowley's, focus their study and practice on the adverse aspects of Qabala, namely the qlippoth and the Tree of Death.

These groups typically have different methods and goals to the ones put forth as "proper" by Crowley, though they are not all necessarily opposed to Crowley and his system, which, despite popular perception, is generally viewed as "right-hand path" by those who know what they're talking about.

This difference is often exhibited by these groups by taking on the names of gods who were, in one way or another, an "adversary" to Crowley's Horus. Though the broader mythological accounts of these various gods is far more complex and nuanced (often contradicting one another depending upon their source), in the simplistic view of the western occult, these gods would be:
1) Set, who was the opponent of Horus, and according to one legend, killed and dismembered his father Osiris; ie, The Temple of Set
2) Typhon, who was equated to Set, due to the various legends which portrayed him as attacking and killing other gods such as Horus, Pan, Zeus, etc....; ie, The Typhonian O.T.O., founded by Kenneth Grant
3) Cronus (Kronos), known by the Romans as Saturn...who has been associated with other gods such as Moloch (though it's technically inaccurate), Ba'al, and, by a couple of degrees of separation, Set...who attempted to devour his son, Zeus/Jupiter; ie, the Saturn branches of the O.T.O. which you have posted about
4) And, of course, Chaos Magick uses the "demon" Choronzon; though their depiction of him is closer to the original version, as described by John Dee, than how he has been depicted by the Golden Dawn and Crowley as simply the demon of the "abyss".



I've never come across any mythological or historical depiction of people committing human sacrifice to Set. If you have, then please share. In the earliest myths involving Set, he was actually a "good guy" who protected and defended the sun god Ra from the serpent Apep. His transformation into an "evil" god was likely politically motivated by the war between Upper and Lower Egypt (Upper Egypt worshiping Osiris/Horus, Lower Egypt worshiping Set). That's often how it goes....two factions go to war, the gods of the losing side become devils, and the gods of the winners become saviors.

The closest thing to human sacrifice among Egyptian mythology was portrayed by a certain faction of the Osiris Cult, though in actual practice, it was a bull that was sacrificed and not a person; however, that likely descended from older practices which most likely did involve human sacrifice...the idea being that one could inherit the power of a "god" by invoking that god into a person's body and then killing and consuming that person ("sacred cannibalism"). Not too different from the Eucharist ritual of Catholicism.



Close enough. The mythology and history of Baal is too complicated to go into in full detail...as with others, he was also portrayed by some myths as a "good guy", and in the oldest forms "Baal" was simply a title meaning "Lord" rather than the name of one particular deity. One of those gods with this title was Moloch. In the western Occult of the Golden Dawn and Crowley, Moloch was the ruler of the Tree of Death, often used synonymously with the position more commonly held by "Satan".

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You may find this of interest

Biblical History and our Point of Power
Why the Japanese broadcast "Tora, Tora, Tora" (Torah?) when attacking Pearl Harbor. The Old Testament was written around 200-300 BC by 72 priests in Egypt who wrote it in Greek (not Hebrew) for the Jews who spoke Aramaic. The Kabala existed in ancient Egypt although added to after the 1500's. The Talmud was based on the Babylonian Talmud, updated and carried out of Babylon by the Pharisees and the Sadducees and it was then that Judaism began. Origin and symbolism of the Caduceus (western medical symbol). Tyrannical occupation of Egypt for 200 years or so by the Hyksos (Shepherd Kings) and the Habiru (mercenaries) who were a conglomeration of nomadic peoples from the northeast. And much more....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=313989&postcount=40

I read years ago in the ( Unexplained magazine back in the 80's lol ) the right hand path in Tantric rituals a practioner Beverly Randolph think it was OTO said right meant actual physical
participation in rituals.

Yes, the Gods and Goddess themes are meant to confuse. Isis, the Goddess of a thousand names. ..and many faces... because of all the different sect/religions at one time in ( Babalon? or? ) really it was different names for the same deities. This could compare with the multitudes of modern day religions/sects groups etc.

The secret societies of the day would have been privy to such knowledge ( High Priesthoods ) and the deeper esoteric meanings of the religions...forerunner to Freemasonry which is the connection and bonding to all the religions, even when two religons are at War, the Masons will hold allegiance to each other, or at least the Elite seem too.


About SET, in Icke's TBS, says ( I've just looked but can't find the quotes so I'll go by memory ) Red headed caucasian males where the prefered sacrafical victims, the colour red was associated with Set, hence the depiction of a red Satan maybe.

Osiris in one version of the story was cut into 13 pieces, Isis only found 12 pieces and put him back together the missing part was his penus hence the phalic obelisk. But you know there are Esoteric versions that can be applied which is another story...Horus the son of Osiris ,Horus being the sun God reborn, the seasons, yearly cycles of nature plus more. In the Bible this can be looked at as Jesus on the cross four major points in the yearly cycle.


Yes, Bil to the Phoencians was said to be the sun in it's positive aspect.

Nama Cain the siter of the Biblical TuBALCain ( masonic password ) is said to have brought cannabalism into this world.

Big difference between the host and wine lol.
More like Crowley's OTO's Stranded Bishops and other literal blood drinking rituals.

[thirdwave]

This convo came up on Tsarions forum a while back and he posted some of his work in progress for people to read ... has not been edited or anything yet...


its a very good read for anyone interested in Crowley and the occult..



(An Excerpt from: An Introduction to the Tarot’s Major Arcana, by Michael Tsarion. http://www.michaeltsarion.com/
Copyright 2006, Michael Tsarion. All Rights Reserved Worldwide)


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THE AEON
Tarot of a Bohemian.

Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained.


The twentieth card of the Tarot is called Judgment and also Aeon and it corresponds to Aries, the sign of energy and birth. The planets (or archetypes) which are assigned to this card are the Sun and Pluto. In astrological parlance, the card denotes Pluto in Aries, or the conjunction between the anabolic Sun and catabolic Pluto. The latter draws on the energy of the deepest strata of the mind and heart and impacts us on the most intimate levels of our being in order to elevate us from the ego based (hylic, monophrenic) to the spiritual (pneumatic, polyphrenic) sphere of existence. Though Pluto is primarily associated with the sign of Scorpio, it has wider dominion that has been generally accepted by lay-astrologers. It has no zodiacal opposite, in the common sense of the word, but serves rather as the "smoking mirror" wherein all the negative influences and permutations of the other planets and archetypes, which are normally hidden, are concentrated and revealed. It is Jung's "Shadow," and corresponds with the gods Thanatos, Hades and Shiva, and with the underworld journey. Dark Pluto is, however, the agent of the forces of equilibrium. He is the sword in the hand of Lady Justice, the stern "psychiatrist" in her employ, whose job it is to mirror the demons and psychic debris, not only of the individual, but of the species collectively (Pluto is the planet of depth-psychology). Historically, the discovery of Pluto (the archetype's physical planetary manifestation) coincided with major upheavals on earth and new paradigms of thinking and interaction. Soon after its discovery in 1930, the atom was split, the Great Depression took place in America, Adolf Hitler rose to power, and World War II broke out. (Germany is astrologically ruled by Scorpio and Pluto).

In the Rider-Waite version of the card, we see three naked figures rising from graves with their arms outstretched in the shape of the Latin word Lux, meaning light. Above these figures is the radiant archangel Gabriel with his bugle. The design of this card was intentionally meant to represent the supernal triangle on the Kabalistic Tree of Life, that is, the three upper Sephiroth (Kether, Chokmah and Binah). The youth in the center represents the sphere of Tiphareth - that of the Child Horus. Horus (Egyptian god of light), though traditionally a solar deity is, in his aspect of Avenger, closely associated with the astrological archetype Pluto. In the Stellar Epochs (early dynasties) he was the contester, and slayer, of the evil Set, his father's brother and arch-enemy. The priests and pharaohs of later dynasties continued to venerate Horus who was, clearly, the prototype of the Biblical Christ who also spoke of bringing a "sword" into the world. Both Horus and Christ redeem, liberate and unite, but only after initiating the final battle between adversaries. They come to open graves, harrow hell and sound the trumpets of the Apocalypse.

The 20th card corresponds with the cardinal archetypes of the Kabala, but it also has several supernal meanings of its own which distinguish it from the other cards of the Tarot. None of the cards have meanings which are axiomatic, and this one least of all. Certainly, it represents resurrection, enlightenment and androgyny, and even the movement of history. But on a deeper level its imagery relates to the precessional movement of the sun, moon and planets through the zodiac, in their so-called "Platonic Round" of 25,920 years. This cycle is comprised of many divisions and the Aeon card pictorializes one of the most important of them, at least as far as ancient and modern Theosophists, Occultists and Masons are concerned. It shows the coming forth of Horus (Ra-Hoor-Khuit).

This god was also given the title Harpocrates. He is Horus the Younger, Osiris resurrected as his own son, through the womb of his consort Isis. Through his conjugation with her, Osiris is reborn into new life. To the Gnostics and Sophists he is Hermes, the god of occult science and mystical harmony. Hermes is the Celtic Herne, god of earth, forests, animals, ritual and secrets. Etymologically, the word hermetic connotes enclosure, or concealment. It refers to secrets and mysteries which are precious and perilous, and which are well guarded. The Egyptians knew him as Thoth, the Romans as Mercury, and the Gaelic Druids knew him as Ogma (“Honey-Mouth”), the god of strength, whom no other god could defeat. Ogma was the creator of the sacred alphabet, of language and poetry. Whether he is known as Hermes, Thoth, Horus or Herne, etc, he is the keeper and bestower, to the worthy, of arcane knowledge and wisdom. On the Aeon card (Thoth Deck) he is shown as Io, that is, the new-born infant Horus. His finger is pressed to his closed mouth, for as the androgynous Io (pronounced Aho), he is the silent one, the sentinel at the gates of wisdom. Io was the god of gateways and portals. The straight finger to the pursed mouth was the cryptic sigil (symbol) for his name. It was also the symbol for the esoteric letter Phi, the "irrational" harmonic or ratio which birthed creation. To enter in at the narrow gate of Io, the novice must be silent, for the truth does not come to the mind filled with the clamor of chatter, argument, aspiration, hubris and vain curiosity. The Universe does not pour forth its elixir to the cup already filled. Hermetic truth burns, and cannot be approached irreverently, or taken by will or right. It comes not as words or linear information, but as music, as poetry, without beginning or end. The music of wisdom cannot be contained or trapped within the walls of the voracious mind, or subjected to the scrutiny of an insatiable intellect. It is both the line and circle, cause and effect, wave and pulse. It is both male and female, masculine and feminine, but it is also neither. The myths say that invanquishable Death herself cannot claim those who serve the temple of Orpheus, those whose wordless playing cause her to fall in love with them and dare the retribution of heaven. Their strange instruments and music become the mirrored shields which compel men, gods and devils all, to pass them by, lest they too become lost within the mazes of their primal symphony.

Hermes, is the god of music, the conductor of the music of the spheres. He is the Harper, the Piper, and wild Drummer. He is the merry flute of Krishna, the bright pipes of Pan, the dolorous harp of Sir Tristan. Madness comes to his disciples, sweet madness, and laughter full of sorrow. To hear his tune the mind must be void. One must renounce the world and all that it contains. However, true renunciation, chastity or abstinence, is not attained by running away from which was desired but is, rather, the condition of no longer running towards it! To learn his tune, the fingers bleed and the wounds of all mankind open within a heart filled with harmony (from herme). His is the elemental rhythm of life and death, of love and hate, darkness and light, sun and moon. He exists in the thrill of music. He is its elusive quality which entrances and silences the chatter but which, unlike words, cannot be owned, or contained by either player or listener. As the ant cannot embrace the mountain, so mortals cannot contain the muse. Those foolish enough to even embark upon the quest for her conquest soon wish they had never begun. They pray for death, and for ending, for darkness and oblivion. Only when their eyes have turned from all that they once coveted, will their ears be drawn towards the tune of tunes, the lost chord which eternally vibrates deep within them. At the dragon-gates of Hermes the princes and paupers of the world are merely silenced men, each entering naked, with their robes, identities and destinies left to burn in the cauldron of blue fire that stands before the dark portal which leads them to the five holy chambers within.

The esoteric letter of the card is Shin (pronounced Shayeen), from which we get the English word shine. Though the previous card (number 19) shows the image of the actual sun, Arcanum 20 refers to the inner heart, or even spirit, of the phenomenal sun, which is not visible on a sensual level, but experienced unconsciously and even biologically. Shin refers to the numinous power at the center of light, and at the center of every cell, corpuscle, nerve, emotion and idea.

Dr. George W. Crile, of the Cleveland Laboratories...announced that he had discovered at the heart of every living organism a tiny nucleus of energy, all aglow, with temperatures ranging from 3000 to 6000 degrees of heat, which he called "radiogens" or "hot points" precisely akin to the radiant energy of solar matter. He affirmed that a tiny particle of the sun's power and radiance was lodged within the heart of every organic unit! - Alvin Boyd Kuhn (The Great Myth of the Sun Gods)


To emphasize the idiosyncratic qualities of card 20, occultist Aleister Crowley, of the Golden Dawn and O.T.O (Ordo Templi Orientis) decided to make significant changes to its imagery and title. To comprehend why his changes are significant and why he wanted this card to stand out from the others in his deck, we have to know something about his life, circle, theories and work.

No matter to what depth I plumb, I always end with my wings beating steadily toward the sun - A. C.

The enigmatic Edward Alexander Aleister Crowley was born under the sign of Libra on October 12 1875, the very year the Theosophical Society was founded. Born to a family of fundamentalist Plymouth Brethren, he attended Cambridge University, read his first "occult" tract (The Cloud Upon the Sanctuary by Karl von Eckharthausen) at age 22. On November 18th 1898, he was initiated into Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, a premier occult fraternity founded in England by Dr. Wynn Westcott, William Robert Woodman and Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers, and which included A. E. Waite, Dion Fortune, Arthur Conan Doyle and W. B. Yeats as members. Crowley studied Tarot and Hermeticism assiduously under Mathers and mystic mentor Alan Bennett. After studying Book T of Mathers, Crowley realized that he had a destiny with the cards, the ancient Grimoire (magical book) of Thoth.

Both Mathers and Crowley knew that prior to the advent of their Hermetic Order, Tarot interpretations and usages were exoteric and mundane, and that there was, in regards the texts, little to absorb other than verbiage and error. Mathers was himself perplexed that he should have been chosen to restore the esoteric secrets of the cards. With his characteristic hubris, he once wrote of the matter:

Do you imagine that where such men as Court de Gebelin, Etteila, Christian and Levi failed in their endeavor to discover the Tarot attributions that I would be able of my own power and intelligence alone to lift the veil which has baffled them?

Crowley clearly knew that the time had come for a restoration of the true Gnosis of the cards, which he realized were undoubtedly the authentic Emerald Tablets of Hermes, or Book of Life. He wrote that he had:

...deplored the absence of any authentic Text on Tarot. The medieval packs are hopelessly corrupt or otherwise far from presenting the Ancient Truth of the Book in a coherent system or shape of lucid beauty - (Preface: The Book of Thoth).

The result of Crowley's education with the Golden Dawn was his own Thoth Deck, which he considered, and which is, a true rendering of the occult secrets of Tarot and Kabala. His deck was beautifully painted by Golden Dawn member, and Mason, Lady Frieda Harris who aided him in formulating not only their pack's design and appearance but its occult significance. Due to her persuasion Crowley invested five years of concentrated work consolidating his vision, honing his esoteric knowledge of magic, divination and symbolism, that his unique and quite exquisite Tarot deck might come into existence.

She devoted her genius to the Work...with inexhaustible patience...often painting the same card as many as eight times...May the passionate "love under will" which she has stored in this Treasury of Truth and Beauty flow forth from the Splendour and Strength of her work to enlighten the world; may this Tarot serve as a chart for the bold seamen of the New Aeon, to guide them across the Great Sea of Understanding to the City of the Pyramids - Aleister Crowley (on Lady Harris)

Their bright vision did, finally, come into being, and competent critics and adepts agree that, along with the Rider-Waite, Crowley's Thoth Tarot, is undisputedly one of the greatest and most powerful decks in existence, and one of the most precious bequeathments to the human race from any creative individual.

Each card is, in a sense, a living being and its relation with its neighbors are what one might call diplomatic. It is for the student to build these living stones into his living temple - A. C. (The Book of Thoth)

Although he was born in the late Victorian Age, there was little that was "old world" about this distinctly bohemian gentleman who was oft slandered as being "mad, bad and dangerous to know." As his unofficial biographers are only too keen to relate, the occult societies and many of the intellectuals, at the turn of the century, considered Crowley something of an enfant terrible in their midst. However, it is reprehensible and disturbing that they should have ridiculed him as much as they did and for as long. After all, was he not a child of the same histrionic age that produced the plethora of impassioned Romantics and iconoclasts such as Swinburne, Shelley, Rimbaud and Baudelaire, etc? And, through previous centuries, had he also no equivalent? From the Classical Period through the Medieval, to the Renaissance and beyond, we find personages who in their own time were considered libertine and heretical, and who are now reverently remembered as paragons of wisdom and individuality. As Crowley, himself, knew full well, he was secure in the tradition of savants such as Socrates, Plotinus, Erasmus, Bohme, Giordano Bruno, Apollonius, Valentinus, Christian Rosencrantz, Blavatsky and Steiner, etc. He is also in the tradition of academic philosophers such as Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Bergson and Heidegger, with his work being distinctly more accessible. And yet, due to the scandalous disinformation disseminated by gutter journalists, and due to society's own duplicity, we find his name indexed not with the light-bearers and geniuses but the scoundrels and sociopaths. To read the many vitriolic diatribes against him and the labels he was given (The Anti-Christ, King of Depravity, Cannibal at Large, Wickedest Man in the World, Man We'd Like to Hang, Great Beast, etc,) one may be excused for thinking him akin to Vlad the Impailer, or Jack the Ripper, rather than one of the greatest poets, playwrights, mystics, magicians and humanitarians of modernity. He has been labeled everything from England's most perfidious seducer to the Devil's own high priest. Fortunately, his detractors are mostly forgotten and today his followers and admirers provide more enlightening commentary on their master's reputation and significance:

All the little mystics have reason to be terrified of him and his "exposures" of their camouflages. These groups, quite numerous and socially powerful...are mainly responsible...for the legend that he is a devil-worshipper and a practitioner of "black magic" - Israel Regardie (secretary to Crowley and author)

It is our opinion that to defend Crowley within the Christian-Judaic system not only does him a disservice but makes us weak slaves of the past. We believe that those who judge and defend Crowley within this system are attempting to remove his influence or demonstrate that he had no influence at all - Christopher Hyatt (Head of the New Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn)*

Crowley is most emphatically a part of the spiritual history of this century, and as such it behooves us to reckon with him both sensibly and sensitively - Lawrence Sutin (Do What Thou Wilt)

Essentially, Crowley wanted to emphasize that, in any age or situation, men and women's greatest right and most pressing need is total freedom of thought, action and belief. The term he personally used for the emancipation of man by man was "Will" (from the Greek Thelema). He noted that in esoteric numerology the Greek words for "Love" and "Will" have the same sum which, for occultists, means that they are expressions of the same quality. In the same vein as his vehement predecessor William Blake, Aleister Crowley, loudly proclaimed that freedom, on all levels, was attainable when we take back our personal power, become reconnected to our inner selves and dispense with external authority. For Blake and Crowley, imposed authority is evil, whether it be of the kind habitually enforced by conformist parents, politicians, peers or priests, or the kind we unconsciously embody racially and culturally over generations. In his theory of history, Crowley envisioned the 1900s as the time when mankind finally cast off its innumerable chains and attained freedom spiritually, intellectually and biologically. Like a caring and adoring father, he dedicated his life and energy to the creation of the manifestos of freedom he would bequeath for the unchained child of tomorrow about to be born. Of these works, his Tarot deck was, and is, his supreme accomplishment.

Though Crowley was certainly an anti-Christian, he was not anti-Christ. Like many scholars he simply recognized that religious epochs cannot prevail forever in a pristine form. Through the ages, Christianity had become anti-human, and was in need of being replaced. Crowley knew that renewal is essential, and is an inescapable reality in either the human or non-human context. It is especially needed when, and if, the structures of the past become irredeemably corrupt and inhuman. Those who see in Crowley nothing but a blustering iconoclast may do well to remember that his penchant for deconstruction was balanced with constructive solutions to the problems of religion and philosophy which he took exception to and which he so emphatically and scandalously critiqued.

Crowley desired nothing less than the creation of a full-fledged successor religion - complete with a guiding Logos that would endure for millennia, as had the teachings of Jesus - Lawrence Sutin

The big turning point in Crowley's personal and vocational life occurred in 1904, while he was still in his twenties. He received, by way of his wife, channeled instructions concerning his main role on the planet. After a series of surreal intimations, Aleister and Rose Crowley returned to their home in Bolskine Scotland, where his direct communion with a praetor-human intelligence began. This astral agency transmitted prophetic visions about the coming age which would see human beings struggling to free themselves from their psychological and spiritual chains, those imposed by the religious and political hegemonies of previous ages. It had Crowley pen, in trance, the strange, even infamous tome he called Liber Al vel Legis, or Book of the Law. Though denounced and ridiculed, it was to be a kind of Testament for the coming age.

The imagery of the 20th card is based on the essence of what Crowley received from his guides in Scotland. He wrote that he had been instructed how history had a trinitarian structure. There are three great epochs corresponding to three divisions within the "Platonic Cycle" (25,920 years). The first epoch he called the Aeon of Isis. This period of Matriarchies began in 2,419 BC., and lasted until 255 BC. During this time societies were predominately eco-centric, egalitarian and pantheistic, content to revere nature and its ordinances. It was superseded by the Aeon of Osiris, a time of "solar" (Patriarchal) religions which lasted until 1900 AD. The new Aeon of Horus is, therefore, the period of the sovereign Individual, the Son or Child of Creation, and like any prophetic birth it would be attended by singular, even cataclysmic events. Like Blake, Tennyson and Nietzsche before him, Crowley predicted the coming World Wars, and the tribulations that were necessary for the spirit of freedom to rise from the ashes of the Old World systems which were corrupt and evil. The Aeon of Osiris was:


...an age of terrible darkness, of deplorable ignorance, and of abominable superstition - Christopher Hyatt

In each age, say the Theosophists and Thelemites, the spirit of Horus the Liberator returns. Once in 2,160 years this archetype manifests to destroy the old, stultified systems, the "dark Satanic mills," of Blake's earlier visions. It incarnates as the spirit of rebellion in the iconoclastic men and women, in the artists, poets, musicians, writers and activists. It brings radical change in the dynamics between individuals, countries, religious ideas and beliefs. According to the occultist Frater Achad (Charles Stansfeld Jones) the archetype called Horus...is within each of us as the true urge of our Being.

In his book Horus, Isis and Osiris in the Q. B. L., Frater Achad wrote on the purpose of the New Aeon and the coming of Horus:

Thus at his Coming in 1904, he found the Race in a state of definite retrogression. "Civilization" met him as he advanced in triumph, and millions fell, without understanding what was happening. He still drives ahead in His Chariot, and millions more will feel his force and fire, until the Race recognizes that it must about-face, and cheer the Conquering Hero on. Then we shall have peace and rejoicing, and the Stern Warrior will seem as the Gentlest Child.

In one of his seminal masterpieces Magick In Theory and Practice, Crowley writes of the coming Aeon and its turbulence:

There is a Magical Operation of maximum importance: the initiation of a New Aeon. When it becomes necessary to utter a Word, the whole planet will be drenched in blood. Before man is ready to accept the Law of Thelema, the Great War must be fought. This Bloody Sacrifice is the critical point of the World-Ceremony of the Proclamation of Horus, the Crowned and Conquering Child, the Lord of the Aeon.

If men actualize the Solar and Plutonic power of Horus the Liberator and come into the freedom they have dreamed of, it will not mean a time of licentiousness and casualness. On the contrary, as Crowley emphasized, it will call for an even greater need for discipline and governance, though not under the externally imposed codes or dogmas attended by guilt and psychosis that presently plague and constrain us. Horus is the Magus who presides over the marriage between psychic and physical energy, when the Personal Will is aligned with the inviolable Will of the Universe.

Crowley's polemics reached their peak when he penned the rallying slogan of the New Aeon - Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. This much misunderstood and misquoted sentence, mouthed by hippies, anarchists, malcontents, chic drop-outs, pagans and rock musicians has, however, nothing to do with mere political revolt or sexual license. It was not meant
as a banner for reactionaries bent on secular revolution, but for the Sons of Adam and Daughters of Eve seeking and attaining universal Revelation.

"Do What Thou Wilt" does not mean "do what you please" though this degree of emancipation is implied...we can no longer say a priori that any course of action is "wrong." Every man and woman has an absolute right to do his or her own true will - Aleister Crowley (Secret Conference)

"Do What Thou Wilt"...is the apotheosis of Freedom; but it is also the strictest possible bond - A. C.

Yes, our connection with the Higher Guardian Angel, with the Higher Self, does indeed involve the strongest possible bond. Detractors of Crowley rightly understand that he was indeed a critic of the oppressions and impositions upon the Self from external tyrannies, those of state, teachers, and parents and so on. These ubiquitous worldly impositions are needed, and even craved, by most people who lack inner strength and direction, those who would meander around devoid of direction without this kind of control. Crowley knew, however, that such restrictions are barriers to true mental, emotional and moral growth and maturation. They are the electric fences which keep the human animal in its place. But Crowley was not asking for his adherents to break free from artificially imposed moral and mental fences in order to merely run amok, so to speak. He understood that there are rules, of a different kind, to be obeyed when one embarks upon the road of Selfhood. These rules are the rules of virtue. They are the implicit rules of nature and of the Higher Guardian Angel. They may not apply to our worldly existence, but they have great currency on our inner journey. The hippy, the sensationalist, the narcissist and the egoist know nothing of these inner rules. They look to Crowley for license to do as they want, that is to do as their lower egos want. This is not what the magickal motto Do What Thou Wilt, means. It is a call to do as the Higher Self dictates, as one’s own psyche dictates. The inner rules arise naturally from within the Self and are not imposed from outside by external authority figures. This is why the words of Aleister Crowley, like those of William Blake before him, are threatening to the world and to the people of the lie who live to control and who live under control.

Whatever your sexual predilections may be, you are free, by the Law of Thelema, to be the star you are, to go your own way rejoicing. It is not indicated here in this text, though it is elsewhere implied, that only one symptom warns that you have mistaken your True Will, and that is, if you should imagine that in pursuing your way you interfere with that of another star. It may, therefore, be considered improper, as a general rule, for your sexual gratification to destroy, deform, or displease any other star. Mutual consent to the act is the condition thereof - A. C. (The Law Is For All)


The pronouncement Do What Thou Wilt sounds reprehensible only to those still conditioned by the dogmas and credos of the previous patriarchal Aeon of Osiris, to those who still wish to enslave the hearts and minds of humans by externally crafted and collectively accepted mores and values. For such as these, Crowley will always be a veritable Anti-Christ. Their stigmatization of Crowley, though predictable, is the measure of their own fear, malignity and ignorance. Certainly, he was mischievous, irreverent, audacious and self-absorbed. Certainly, he was also capable of ridicule and hyperbole, but his character and productivity most certainly rank superior to that of history's recent think-tank-funded "people's champions" and media icons who encourage the further regression and enslavement of generations with pop-culture platitudes such as - "turn on, tune in, drop out!" His work and message are an anathema to the hippy and present day "New-Ager" as much as they are to the button-down Evangelist or Wall Street slicker.

...Crowley was a prophet of the New Aeon of Horus which in essence reverses all the old systems and ways of Christian-Judaic thinking - Christopher Hyatt

Aleister Crowley was an eminent Magician of many talents, dedicated to establishing on earth the Law of Thelema, so that all men and women might be free to do their own true wills in accordance with their own true natures. He was not...the most evil man in the world, devoted to the vile practices of Black Magic. He was, on the contrary, a devotee of love and will who sought to enlighten humanity - Christopher Hyatt

We see then, that we can never affect anything outside ourselves save only as it is also within us. Whatever I do to another, I also do to myself. If I kill a man, I destroy my own life at the same time...Every vibration awakens all others of its particular pitch - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

Total freedom, during the Aeon of Horus, actually implies "right rulership" (Achad) of the self. What most of the band-wagon apostles of "Crowleyanity" forget, is that true freedom ultimately involves considerable personal responsibility. To have conscious dominion over one's own spirit, body, emotions, mind and actions, involves order and discipline. (Crowley himself was not only a master mathematician, but was adroitly skilled in Patanjali, Pranayama, and other yogas, which he studied in the Orient for many years). When we can no longer look to external authorities for our certainties and approval, when we can no longer imagine ourselves liberated just because we frenetically "rebel" against those authorities, we find that there is no one else to accuse for our own moral recalcitrance. We become wholly responsible for, and to, ourselves. There are no more "evil" parents, teachers, politicians or models to prevent us coming to total mastery and psychic integration. This state, called arete (Virtue, Justice) by the Athenian philosophers, and Thelema (Will) by Occultists, is attained when no single proclivity within our constitutions or characters can develop toward autonomy while others are arrested or repressed. When one psychic hemisphere is abnormally inflated it automatically represses the tendencies of other hemispheres. It becomes corrupt and diseased and endangers the entire mental and moral equilibrium. The men of religion and science were, to Crowley, examples of this constitutional misarchy. Like Blake, he believed that their dogmas must be contradicted, and their supremacy resisted. Likewise, one must also constructively oppose the existence of any civilization or society which engenders and promotes such psychic and phrenic dysfunction. It is the status quo which is immoral, not the rebel or outcast who stands against it.

The end of all is the power to live according to your own nature, without danger that one part may develop to the detriment of the whole - A. C. (The Equinox Vol. III, Nu 10)

My adepts stand upright, their heads above the heavens, their feet below the hells - A. C. (Liber XC)

The personal and social exercise of the True Will (in its Magickal sense) makes one virtuous, but in a way unlike the tragic heroes of the past who, due to their fragile and inconstant virtues, were doomed to fall into oblivion. In this regard Crowley's perfected Anthropos differs from a Hamlet or Othello, being more consistent with that "Adam Kadmon" (god-man) envisioned by the illustrious western philosophers and humanists from Pythagoras, Bruno, Pacioli, Ficino, della Mirandola, Agrippa, and Da Vinci, onward.

Every man and woman is a star...that is to say, every human being is intrinsically an independent individual with his own proper character and proper motion - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

A man likes to believe that he is the master of his soul. But as long as he is unable to control his moods and emotions, or to be conscious of the myriad secret ways in which unconscious factors insinuate themselves into his arrangements and decisions, he is certainly not his own master - Carl Jung (Approaching the Unconscious)

The man who follows his own true Will becomes the Eudaimon of the Greeks. He becomes the supremely happy man. He is his own servant and master, needing no gods or religion, no panaceas or bromides, no rewards or salvation, because he has lived fully and completely in the now, in the present, and has not restricted his vital energy, his "Will to Power" by excessive masochism (cruelty to self) self-abnegation, altruism or guilt, or any of the myriad complexes and syndromes his acculturated fellows are prey to.


To deny the Law of Thelema is a restriction in oneself, affirming conflict in the Universe as necessary. It is a blasphemy against the Self, assuming that its Will is not a necessary (and therefore noble) part of the Whole - A. C.

Anyone who is forced from his own course, either through not understanding himself, or through external imposition, comes into conflict with the order of the Universe, and suffers accordingly - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

He needs no god, for like Virgil was to Dante, his higher self (the "Ka," "Augoeides," "Agathodaimon," or "Christ-Self") is a constant guardian and instructor.

...The True Will must be consciously grasped by the Mind, and this Work is akin to that called the attainment of the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel - A. C. (Heart of the Master)

In the knowledge and conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel, the adept is possessed of all he can possibly need. To consult any other is to insult one's Angel - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

The single supreme ritual is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. It is the raising of the complete mass in a vertical straight line. Any deviation from this line tends to become black magic. Any other operation is black magic - A. C. (ibid)

Mystical Alchemy is a personal science, a sublime and effective system of Self-Initiation. Only you, as a single individual, can calculate and follow your way up the Great Mountain of Hermetic Attainment...All essential guidance is within you, in the inmost centre of your heart where your own Holy Guardian Angel, or Inner Self, resides. To depend upon any other thing than your own Holy Guardian Angel to accomplish the Great Work is to insult your Angel who is with you to instruct and guide you. All essential wisdom by which to achieve the Great Work is to be ascertained only within you; nowhere else will you find the Truth - David Cherubim (The Order of the Thelemic Golden Dawn)

Another of Crowley's enigmatic and antinomian phrases was Love Under Will. This again has caused consternation among the orthodox who believe it to suggest the exaltation of the bestial over the sublime. However, they forget that what is beneath a thing may also hold it up. Crowley's "Love" is not a subservient quality. Instead, it undergirds and supports his "Will." To live according to the Will first entails loving oneself deeply and truly. The absence of this self-love is what prevents most men from reaching this goal, or any goal worthy of their energies. To Crowley, and Blake before him, it was obvious that Judeo-Christianity thrives from making it normal for men to be deeply cruel unto their own selves. Both these mystics understood how most of what passes for yoga, religion and ideology is nothing more than disguised masochism. The perfect Christian is defined by his cruelty to his own mind and body, and his open or veiled sadism toward others. The highest yoga advocates Self-Love, and warns us against displacing our love emotion toward gods and causes, toward parents and consorts, nations, ideas, worldly pleasures, ambitions, and to every new chimera that captivates the lower inauthentic self. Without self love there can be no communion with the "Holy Guardian Angel," that is, with our Divine Twin.

Thou art a Man, God is no more; Thy own humanity learn to adore - William Blake

We can accept God becoming Man to save Man, but not Man becoming God to save himself - Vernon Howard

Although most will resist accepting it, the fact is that self-love cannot be born within one until its opposite, its very nemesis, is laid to rest. As long as we continue to entertain the fallacy that we will receive true unconditional love from another human being we cannot hope to experience self-love. The baseless illusion that others possess what we desire, in this regard, is the supreme fallacy of our age, and of all other times. The deluded, who unconsciously place others above themselves, through projection and naive adoration, etc, actually commit violence to themselves, to their own souls. Through such irrational expectations we habitually enslave our own spirit and are inevitably divorced from self, victimized by the caprices of the object of the illusion, who likewise stands divorced from their authentic selfhood. With centuries of Judeo-Christian dogma, and poetic Romanticization, contorting the themes of love and self-sacrifice, we find mankind indoctrinated and drugged with the worst kind of spiritual poison, with each well-meaning individual perpetually victimized by the vagaries of the ineffectual chimeras that can only temporarily mimic the fragrance of true love. Gradually, as these phantasms reveal their insubstantiality, we are thrown into guilt, recrimination and despair, cursing life, love and god. The only two-legged creatures who escape experiencing such harangues are those, either too cold emotionally to feel any kind of love, or those who have experienced the myriad "slings and arrows" and come through chastened, with some sensitivity, reflection, and philosophical understanding as to humankind's main existential plight. Crowley was such a man, and he sought to enlighten his brothers and sisters in the world as to their diseased emotional and psychological condition. Like innumerable other mystics, prophets and genuine humanitarians, he too learned the heavy price of assisting others to be free.

Nothing is more poisonous, harmful or devilish than a man in rebellion - Martin Luther (founder of Protestantism)



Aleister Crowley's internecine struggle and crusade against the pathogenic memes of religion and politics follows on from that of his ideological precursor, the mystic poet and artist William Blake. To fully comprehend Crowley's core motives we need to briefly revisit a strange quote by Blake, one in which he said "...tell me not whether a man is good or bad, only whether he is a wise man or a fool." The wisdom behind this statement shows that, from their earliest musings, Blake and, subsequently, Crowley both understood that the "gods" are not in the business of judging men for their everyday moral and criminal infractions, and that the varying, and relative contentions of what even defines a "good" deed, or a "bad" one, troubles nothing ontologically higher than man himself. Moreover, contrary to the assurances of the Christian dogmatists, ordinary bad deeds (as relatively reprehensible as they may be) do not necessarily eternally estrange a man from the force or forces which created him but only from the imposed and pestilential order that subtly, and not so subtly, prevents his true expression, and against which every man is always in conscious or unconscious rebellion. It was not legality, that Blake and Crowley were interested in, but theology. Although it may be the relative laws of capricious men that evaluate the good and the bad, it is the gods who evaluate wisdom and folly. It was from knowing this that Crowley was motivated to devise and expound the ethics of his magickal canon. Crowley always considered the wise person as potentially threatening and dangerous as any. His objective was, therefore, not to make good men wise, but to make wise men good. Adopting this as a predicate for his entire magickal and philosophic system positions him in the same cultural ethos as William Blake and Wilhelm Reich, but in direct opposition to the embedded and ubiquitous institutions of religion and politics.

In short, unlike most of us, Crowley did not assume that wisdom meant the same thing as, or that it necessarily leads a man to commit only moral acts. He understood that the bearer of true wisdom will have lived a full life and as such will inevitably have committed acts of great perfidy as well as humanity. More importantly, the wise-criminals may not only be fully conscious of the nature of any evil they engineer and execute, but may also have zero remorse for it, regarding it to be their good. As a close observation of the world's historical and contemporary theologians and politicians reveals, the "wise" (that is, those in full conscious knowledge of what they do) are, indeed, responsible for unspeakable crimes, against themselves, against others, and against the planet itself. It is not mere poesy to say, therefore, that only the Fool is safe from the wages of his sin, due to the fact that his folly blinds him from knowing the consequences of the actions he would surely change given foresight. Yes, the Fool is safe, for when the gods see within us true guilt (an unfortunate English word for sincere contrition), they are compassionate. Conversely, when the forces of universal justice see within us the wise-devilry, that aristocratic cruelty that thrives off the utter ruination of men and nature, they are not hesitant to produce the keys to the doors to perdition. So, in order that the wise creature may find instruction in actualizing all the permutations of Goodness, Crowley adapted his unique philosophy concerning the themes of freedom, love and will. To this end he adopted his anti-Christian stance and his vehement polemics against conventional morality, and championed the right use of Will. The wrong use of Will brings into being all that molests, corrupts and destroys. And the Will of the Wise-Criminal causes the worst abuses of all, those which violate the heart of the Universe itself. The right use of Will leads to love and is the garden from which the roses of love grow, for the simple reason that the gods love us for our right use of our Will. And Freedom is the primary and essential condition which allows the Will to be rightly or wrongly oriented. Will, Love and Freedom cannot exist without each other. They are essentials of Selfhood, and were Crowley's Holy Trinity.

Man is free to choose not to be conscious, but not free to escape the penalty of unconsciousness: destruction - Ayn Rand (The Virtue of Selfishness)

Only freedom can be misused, slavery cannot be misused. That’s why you see so much chaos in the world today. It has never been there before, for the simple reason that man was not so free. You see more chaos in America for the simple reason that they are enjoying the greatest freedom that has ever been enjoyed anywhere in the world, at any time in history. Whenever there is freedom, chaos erupts. But that chaos is worth it, because only out of that chaos are stars born - Osho (Love, Freedom and Aloneness)

The beauty of his thought and the subtlety of his understanding concerning the world's twisted and unsustainable attitude toward gender dynamics and morality have, unfortunately, prevented most of his reverers and revilers from acknowledging Crowley's contribution to humanity. Had he condescended to "sweeten-up" his delicate feast of magical wisdom for those with debauched palates, he would no doubt, have been hailed as one of western civilization's greatest savants, rather than one of its greatest miscreants. However, as the great Grecian poet Pindar reminded us:

Happy is he who has gone through the Mysteries; he knows the source and end of life

Card number 20 depicts our higher self ¬- Horus, the Solar Child - within the heart of every man and woman. But Horus, the Everlasting Child, is neither male or female. He is undivided, self-existent, and androgynous, which is why he has been worshipped from Egyptian times onward, and why his image was chosen for this card.

Ra is blended with Osiris, Shu with Tefnut, child Horus with Horus the adult - Gerald Massey (Egypt - Light of the World)


The Lord himself being asked by someone when his kingdom would come replied, "When the two shall be one, when that which is without is within, and the male and the female shall be neither male nor female - Gerald Massey (Egypt - Light of the World)

Aleister Crowley's visions and mission may have credence or they may not, depending upon one's personal prejudice or degree of existential intelligence. He may have been the true high priest of his "New Aeon," or he may not have been. However, there is no doubt that our world would be the poorer without his contributions to the magical canon. His Thoth Deck Tarot stands out as one of the most marvelous and intriguing creations of any master at any time in history. In fact, it may take many more generations before its geometric, numeric, and symbolic secrets are revealed. It is not a creation of the left-brain linear cognition. It communicates with the deeper strata of the psyche not through words but through composite (or "graven") images which perfectly encapsulate the mysterious and infinite relationships between the microcosm and macrocosm. It is an intricate iconic treatise which, like a fractal or hologram, has endless permutations and correspondences, its manifold meanings never wholly circumscribed by the user or interpreter. Crowley, its creator, was adept not only in the mechanics of Tarot but in its Art. He knew that the divination arts are:

A language fitted to describe certain classes of phenomena and to express certain classes of ideas which escape regular phraseology - A. C. (Liber 777)

He correctly wrote of the Tarot being the application "software" one must apply to the "hard-drive," so to speak, of the Kabala:

It is beyond doubt a deliberate attempt to represent, in pictorial form, the doctrines of the Qabalah - A. C. (Book of Thoth)

Crowley was a man of science who chose to work with magicians and magic. But he was also a magician who knew more about physical and abstract science than the reprobates of his time soon to be genuflecting before the altar of Positivism. His findings anticipated those of the later Quantum Theorists, who still struggle to accept what he considered academic:

We use instruments of science to inform us of the nature of the various objects which we wish to study but our observations never reveal the thing as it is in itself. They only enable us to compare unfamiliar with familiar expressions - A. C. (Liber 777)

The question of Magick is a question of discovering and employing hitherto unknown forces in nature - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)


The universe is a projection of ourselves, an image as unreal as that of our faces in a mirror, yet, like that face, the necessary form of expression thereof, not to be altered save as we alter ourselves - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

Just as his commitment to the physical and psychic freedom of Man anticipated the later work of Freud, Jung, Gruen, Laing and Reich, etc, so, before Gödel, Schrödinger, Bohr, Rutherford, Heisenberg and others, Crowley knew, and proved, that reason and relativistic linear constructs would provide only ineffectual explanations concerning the observable, and unobservable, phenomena of nature. Moreover, he lived and acted daily according to principles and laws which still perplex the vast majority of modern speculative scientists. He attempted to free them of their cumbersome and erroneous theories regarding objectivity and, long before today's paradigm-busters, he prophesied the eventual unification of science and meta-science:

It will soon be admitted on all hands that the study of the nature of things in themselves is a work for which the human reason is incompetent - A. C. (Liber 777)

Men will then be lead to the development of a faculty, superior to reason, whose apprehension is independent of the hieroglyphic representations of which reason so vainly makes use - A. C. (Liber 777)

Magick is the Science of understanding oneself and one's condition. It is the Art of applying that understanding in action - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

Crowley's ignominious treatment at the hands of his detractors and compliant public, serves only as evidence for the truth of his vision of today's world. His Aeon of Horus is still in its early stages. Man remains, on the whole, as greedy, artificial and spiritually recalcitrant as he seems always to have been. Crowley has been and gone, as Freud and Jung, Blavatsky, Rilke and Heidegger have been and gone, as other enlighteners will likewise come and go. Their kind are with us for a season. But within them is an everlasting spirit, a transluminal force which knows neither time nor death and which can only be named or known with uncertainty until the day when it is, for each of us, an indisputable Certainty, an Absolute, as the sun is an absolute, as light is, as our love for ourselves is, though it be obscured by the dark, but gradually passing, clouds of ignorance and forgetfulness.

The message of Arcanum 20 is the message, the question, the Hymn of Horus the Twin. He asks both you and me: Will you bid me enter? Will you marry with me beneath the ancient stars and lie with me in the secret place? Will you hearken to my Voice when I say that I am the Sword to sever your bonds, the Sphinx to dissolve your questions, the Lion of Sekhmet to defend against the adversary? Know, that I am your Self-Love returned, who has been knocking for many an age...here now at last...to lay my lips upon yours, for your fear and loathing have been loved by me, your loneliness and sorrow also. Let us go forth together and bury them gently in the heart of Hathor the Earth, for they serve you and me and Her no longer. Together we will slay the evil Set, and likewise slay the Father who, through his folly, gave his rival birth. For when the mirror of understanding is still you will see that, age after age, one has begotten the other in the dark womb of their separateness. So my Will declares that those who cannot live together must perish together. My Sword vanquishes both and frees the kingdom. Egypt is united, the Scales brought to rest. I silence the combat which had deafened you to my Holy Word and Will. In their ending is our beginning. And when the time of the Sword is passed, I will bring forth my Cup, the Grail of healing and rejoicing. For behold, We are together...We are Horus! We are Pan!...Come - let us drink and dance and play!

Thou who art I, beyond all I am
Who hast no nature, and no name
Who art, when all but thou are gone
Thou, centre and secret of the Sun

Thou, hidden spring of all things known
And unknown, Thou aloof, alone,
Thou, the true fire within the reed
Brooding and breeding, source and seed
Of life, love, liberty, and light
Thou beyond speech and beyond sight

Thee I invoke, my faint fresh fire
Kindling as mine intents aspire
Thee I invoke, abiding one,
Thee, centre, and secret of the Sun

And that most holy mystery
Of which the vehicle am I
Appear, most awful and most mild
As it is lawful, in thy child

Title Quote - William Blake (The Marriage of Heaven and Hell)

End Poem - From Ecclesiae Gnosticae Catholicae Canon Missae (The Gnostic Mass of the O.T.O)

* Aleister Crowley was no superfluous "Everyman." The reader is, therefore, advised to treat him as an archetype and desist from clichéd,


pedantic judgments concerning his manifold experiences during his exotic and singular life. Though his behavior certainly invites our admonishment, he is best understood in context of his age. He was not only the harbinger of the "New Aeon" of the Child, he was also its first "child," so to speak. And like any amoral infant he embodied and exhibited both a scintillating individuality, which attracted many sycophants and admirers, and a gratuitous perversity which invited the revulsion of his various critics and rivals. To endlessly indict any infant for its natural proclivities is, in my opinion, an exercise in futility. This author personally prefers to remain aloof from the rhetorical rivalry typical of both Crowley's reverers and revilers, being wary of the lack of objectivity which haunts the camps of both contingents. Furthermore, this author reserves judgment concerning the applied "Thelemic" magical systems or practices of the Master Therion, and do not belong to, or necessarily esteem, any Magickal Fraternity or cabal of any denomination. My homage is a sincere expression of appreciation for the Master's many prodigious occult talents, the beauty of his thought, and for his marked creativity as a mystic, artist and poet, and is not an attempt to exonerate him over his moral peculiarities and political polemics. My attitude can best be summarized by the wit of my Irish ancestors: He was a man...not good enough to be saved, but not bad enough to be damned.



also.. http://www.astro-theology.net/

I posted his latest Red Ice interview where he goes into it.. its in conspiritainment..

[eternal_spirit]

Where does that even come from? First I've heard of it.
Again, simple statements are not facts and you saying so is not proof.



Possible. C.S. Lewis did study the occult prior to his conversion to Christianity...though I'm not sure about Tolkien. However, I haven't seen anything which links either of them to the Golden Dawn nor have I seen either of them listed as members.



I have no idea who Isaac Bonewitz is.

[quote=eternal_spirit;339409]He includes Scientology and The National Council of Churches in the Illuminati structure.{/QUOTE]

Who does? Bonewitz? And how is that related to the previous sentence.



Nonsense. The ACLU has been instrumental in keeping "hate speech" laws out of America and has been vilified by both the right and the left for doing so. They even defended those religious assholes who would protest the funerals of homosexuals and Iraqi troops on the grounds of freedom of speech and the right to assembly.

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http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm (http://www.kt70.com/%7Ejamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm)
John Todd's quotes ( he was set up and imprisoned on probable false charges, on his release he dissapeared prob murderd for spilling the beans )
THE TOP BLOCK IS WHAT I WAS INITIATED INTO, THE COUNCIL OF 13 CALLED THE GRAND DRUID COUNCIL. They only take orders from the Rothschilds and nobody else. They're their private priesthood. The Council of 33 is directly under them, that is the 33 highest Masons in the World. The Council of 500, some of the richest people in the World--there are 500, actually, some of the richest people and conglomerates in the World--it's their real power as I'll show you in a minute.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE MUCH OF THE WRITING ON THIS, BUT THIS IS THE ORGANISATION OF WITCHCRAFT. The Golden Dawn is the 4th block up there, and it's the Rothschild's private coven. The Aquarian Arts Festival is the organization that ties all of the Occult Brotherhoods together in St. Paul, The Witches Church of America I was a member of. The Church of All Worlds is located in St. Louis. These are denominations like Northern Baptist, Southern Baptists, Independent Baptists, etc.

THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES, THE SATANIC BROTHERHOOD OF AMERICA, SCIENTOLOGY, UNITY, is the main platform for Witches to be speakers at towards what they consider to be Christian people. The Church of Wicca is another denomination; it's in Greenfield, North Carolina.


THE AQUARIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS FORMED BY ONE OF THE GRAND DRUIDS, ISAAC BONOVITZ, and the American Civil Liberties Union. Its purpose is to pass laws and to sue Christian churches in Federal court for defaming Witches and the Occult, and they have been winning millions of dollars in the Federal courts.

This is what Wikipedia says

In 1976 he resurfaced leading a Wiccan coven, Watchers Church of Wicca, in Dayton, Ohio [4]. Todd became the subject of an FBI investigation over reports that he was using the coven as a cover to seduce underage girls. Following an investigation of Todd's activities by neopagan leaders Isaac Bonewits and Gavin Frost, which uncovered drug use and underage sex, Frost's Church and School of Wicca revoked the charter it had granted to Todd's coven.

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See, thing is with Todd he became a Christian ( Don't jump to conclusions HE STATES THAT SOME CHRISTIAN GROUPS ARE WORKING FOR THE BAD GUYS< THIS TOO ME ADDS WEIGHT TO SOME OF HIS QUOTES )
Wasn't Todd sent to Prison for rape, he says he was innocent and the charges where false.
In the above inf from wikipedia about the FBI investigation ( not sure if this lead to his imprisonment ) may mean he was set up, by Issac Bonewits, who seems well dodgy and may work for the other side. Here's some info on Isaac Bonewits

In 1966, while enrolled at UC Berkeley, Bonewits joined the Reformed Druids of North America or RDNA. Bonewits was ordained as a Neo-druid priest in 1969. During this time period, Bonewits joined the Church of Satan, but left due to political and philosophical conflicts with Anton LaVey.[1] During his stint in the Church of Satan, Bonewits appeared in the 1970 documentary Satanis, wherein he asked LaVey to bless his penis during a Satanic ritual.[2] Contrary to popular belief, this blessing was staged for the movie at the behest of the filmmakers and was not, in fact, an authentic ceremony.[citation needed]
Bonewits graduated from UC Berkeley in 1970 with a BA, becoming the only person to have ever received any kind of degree in Magic from an accredited university

Bonewitz web site link
http://www.neopagan.net/

Bonewitz was funded IMO it's part of the culture creators plans.





THE GARNARIAN BROTHERHOOD IS THE TRADITIONAL WITCHCRAFT IN ENGLAND. The Order of the Rose Cross--another word for it is Rosicrucians--they are a sacrifice order. And the Holy Order of the Garter is another traditional English Witchcraft group.

Quotes by John Todd

( OOPS EDIT LOL!!! I got mixed up with ACLU! SHOOULD OF BEEN AADL! DOH!)another Freemasonic set up I bet, you know do some good deeds get the press coverage, bit like Masonic charity work, most people don't look for evils where they don't think they'll find it. Hoodwinked! Wouldn't surprise me if the Scottish Rite had something to do with it.


B'nai Brith (Sons of the Covenant)
Democracy is being redefined to protect all minority rights without distinction. The B'nai Brith, formed by the Sephardic Jews who ran most of the slave trade into America, is a Masonic organization and is Chartered under the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, with their buildings called Lodges. They're implicated in fomenting dissension on both sides of the Revolutionary War, the assassination of Abraham Lincoln through the spin-off group called the Knights of the Golden Circle, all recorded in the Congressional Records. The B'nai Brith are writing the Hate Laws today for implementation into the general public. People are being forced to live in United Nation Habitat areas through oppressive taxation, abolition of private property and private transportation, etc., where people will happily be good producers, consumers and taxpayers. What is the esoteric meaning of Revelations, hoodwinked, Harpo Productions (Harpocrates), Thor and "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." Contradictions and additions in the Bible for control purposes. The international priesthood created the form of religion for the masses, so they form-alized and author-ized religion which is based in the material world, to distract the masses from seeking their own individual spirituality within themselves.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=313374&postcount=39

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/obscure2/druid.html


It is a relatively little know fact that one of Britain’s most celebrated, though far from uncontroversial, statesmen, Winston Churchill, was a Druid. In the first decade of the twentieth century the still relatively obscure Churchill dabbled with a number of esoteric organisations most notably the Freemasons and his initiation into Druidic rites appears to have been an outgrowth of this. Churchill was born in 1874 and his father, Randolph Henry Spencer Churchill, had been a Freemason and this may well have provided Winston with his first introduction to the fraternity. However Winston Churchill did not actually join the Masons until after his father’s death in 1895. Although there are different accounts of exactly when and where Churchill became a Mason it seems that he was initiated into the Entered Apprentice degree in 1901 in Studholme Lodge (no. 1591) in London. Churchill subsequently advanced through the Fellow Craft degree and was raised to a Master Mason in March 1902 in Rosemary Lodge (no. 2851). Another version has him being initiated into a lodge in South Africa in 1903. Churchill remained a Mason until 1912.
As well as conflicting accounts of his initiation into Freemasonry there is also some confusion over Churchill’s Druidic initiation, more specifically which of the several Druidic orders did he join.
A photograph in Stuart Piggot’s book The Druids shows a young Churchill flanked by a number of men, some wearing druid robes and others in ordinary suits. According to the inscription this photograph shows Churchill’s initiation into the Albion Lodge of the Ancient Order of Druids in August 1908 at Blenheim, his family home.
Elsewhere in The Druid Tradition, Phillip Carr-Gomm describes the same photograph while stating it was Churchill’s initiation into the Ancient and Archaeological Order of Druids.
Given the tendency for Druid groups to have overlapping memberships and joint ceremonies, it is possible that Churchill was a member of both these Druid orders. As we shall see, as a Freemason he was certainly qualified for both.
The Ancient Order of Druids (also known as the Druid Order) was founded in 1781 by Henry Hurle. Although Hurle does not appear to have been a Freemason he was a builder by trade and so may have been influenced by the rituals of operative masons which provided the basis for Freemasonry (interestingly the Welsh Druid revival owes much to the writings of a stonemason called Edward Williams, also known as Iolo Morgawg). Whether Freemasonry found its way into the Ancient Order of Druids via Hurle’s occupation or not, the latter was certainly heavily imbued with Masonic-like ritual.
The year 1833 was a defining period for the order as it saw a schism over the issue of its future orientation. The majority of members sought to take the order in the direction of a fraternal and benevolent society and they departed and adopted the name United Ancient Order of Druids. The minority retained the original name and continued mixing their fraternalism with mysticism. Both sides in the dispute retained a strong Masonic element and the Ancient Order of Druids in particular had a considerable overlapping membership with Freemasonry.
The Ancient and Archaeological Order of Druids was founded in 1874 by Wentworth Little. Little was a Freemason and his druidic order was designed as an exclusively Masonic society. All of its members had to have reached the degree of Master Mason before joining. The purpose of the Ancient and Archaeological Order was to study the connections between Freemasonry and the druid tradition.
In 1866 Little founded the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia, a project not dissimilar to the Ancient and Archaeological Order of Druids. SRiA members were also required to be Master Masons first and just as Little’s druid order studied Freemasonry and druidry so the S.R.i.A. also concerned itself with research.
It was three members of the S.R.i.A. William Wynn Westcott, Samuel Liddle McGregor Mathers and Dr. W. Woodman who founded the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, an order which has gained a notorious reputation largely by introducing Aleister Crowley to the occult. Little’s Druid and Rosicrucian interests seem to have been brought full circle in 1916 when Nuada, a Duid society and off-shoot of the Golden Dawn tradition was founded. Nuada was based in Clapham, London and was led by G.W. MacGregor Reid. McGregor Reid was a personal friend of Crowley and was also a Chosen Chief of the Universal Druid Bond from 1909-1946 after which he was succeeded by his son Robert (Chosen Chief 1946-1964).
The connections between these orders and Freemasonry are part of a much wider relationship between the two traditions of Druidry and Masonry giving Little’s Druids much to ponder in their research.
The Appletree Tavern in Covent Garden, London was the scene of the landmark meeting in 1717 at which Freemasons decided to organise a Grand Lodge to co-ordinate Freemasonry across the capital and later throughout England. In the same public house, in the same year, the inaugural assembly of the Universal Druid Bond was held, signifying what could be called the institutionalisation of the Druid revival which had begun with the work of John Auberey.
It is said that the first Chosen Chief of the Universal Druid Bond was John Toland, a member of a Masonic organisation called the Knights Of Jubilation. Toland was chief from 1717 to 1722 when he was succeeded by William Stuckley (1722 - 1765). Stuckley was also a prominent Freemason.
Toland’s role in the Druid revival is however questioned. In 1726 he wrote History of the Druids a critical account of ancient Druidry which sits uncomfortably with the notion that Toland was a Druid himself.
Connections between Freemasonry and Druidry crossed the Atlantic. In the United States in the eighteenth century, one Masonic Lodge at Newburgh, New York transformed itself into The Druid Society using the former Masonic lodge for its meetings and adopting much Masonic ceremony too.
Churchills’ own association with both Freemasonry and Druidry were short-lived however and his interest in Druidry appears to have been wholly towards its fraternal character with little or no sympathy for its spirituality. In any event Churchill’s political career took over at this point. Here, Churchill made his name in a succession of ministerial posts, first as Britain’s youngest Home Secretary, and later as Chancellor of the Exchequer and ultimately Prime Minister during most of World War II and again in the early 1950’s.
However there was something of a second wind to Churchill’s esoteric career courtesy of his knighthood and admission to the coveted Order of the Garter. Churchill was installed as a Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter in June 1954. There are a number of competing theories about the origins of this Order, several of which seek to link it to the occult and one in particular to Paganism.
The traditional story is that the Countess of Salisbury dropped a garter at a dance provoking some amusement from onlookers. King Edward III who was present picked up the garter declaring support for the embarassed woman and the event, possibly because it illustrated an act of gallantry, inspired the idea for an order of knighthood consisting of twenty six knights.
Variations on this theme replace the Countess of Salisbury with the Fair Maid of Kent but the outcome remains the same. The motive behind the King’s defence varies too, partly depending on the identity of the woman, but for some there is also an ulterior motive at work. Instead of simply defending an embarassed woman, through his actions Edward III is credited with protecting an entire religious tradition, that of witchcraft.
The beginnings of the twentieth century witchcraft revival was largely the result of the efforts of Gerald Gardner. Gardner was a member of numerous esoteric orders among which was the Ancient Druid Order. Not to be confused with the Ancient Order of Druids, the Ancient Druid Order claims to be the modern successor to the Universal Druid Bond. Gardner’s own contribution to the growing number of esoteric orders (which have since become part of the ‘New Age’ movement) was Wicca, which has in effect become the modern manifestation of witchcraft. Wicca stands today as a ‘denomination’ of Paganism alongside Druidry and there are significant overlaps between the two traditions.
Gardner’s promotion of witchcraft was inspired by a number of sources including the anthropologist Margaret Murray. Much of Murray’s work has since been discredited but is still held in high esteem by some modern witches. Amongst her assertions Murray stated that the garter had been a widely recognised symbol used by witches to signify that they practised the craft. Thus in expressing support for the wearer of the garter, Edward III was offering protection to witches, and the Order of the Garter which developed soon afterwards was suitably imbued with aspects of witchcraft. For example the twenty six members, half under the patronage of the King and half under that of the Prince of Wales, represented two covens each consisting of the traditional number of witches; thirteen.
The Order of the Garter has had a long relationship by association with Freemasonry. An early history of the Order (published in 1672) was written by Elias Ashmole, known today primarily as the founder of the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford, but also the subject of one of the earliest recorded Masonic initiations (in 1646). Since the formation of Grand Lodge in 1717, a large number of Grand Masters of English Freemasonry have also been Knights of the Garter.
Since Churchill’s death in 1965 the Druid tradition has continued to evlove.
The Ancient and Archaological Order of Druids was merged in 1966 with the Literary and Archaological Order of Druids to form the Universal Druidic Order, the new organisation being based in Blackheath, London. This merger ocurred under the guiding hand of Desmond Bourke the head of the Ancient and Archeaological Order and subsequently the Universal Druidic Order.
Bourke was something of a lynchpin in British druidry, in addition to the above orders, he is also head of the Ancient Order of Druids Hermeticists which, decades before, had gained attention by holding annual Summer Solstice celebrations at Stonehence between 1901 and 1914. Bourke is also a Freemason and a member or leader of sevaral other quasi-Masonic initiatic orders thus continuing the traditional association between Masonry and Druidry.
The Ancient Order of Druids is still going strong continuing to hold ceremonies but functioning largely social and charitable organisation. The Masonic character is still present, the Order is still organised into lodges (most Druid orders organise themselves into groves) and most of these are exclusively male. Women members are allowed but their lodges are separate.
That a British prime minister should have once been a Druid may at first seem surprising but on reflection Churchill seems to have followed an unlikely tradition of religious pluralism amongst prime ministers. Famously there was Benjamin Disraeli, a Jew. Less well known and, where know, infamously there was Jonh Stuart, the third Earl of Bute. Stuart was born in 1713 and became an Earl in 1723 on the death of his father (the Isle of Bute was the family estate). Educated at Eton, Bute obtained a law degree and had a life-long interest in botany. In 1736 he became a member of the House of Lords. A Tory Bute has the unenviable reputation of having been one of Britain’s most unpopular prime ministers ever having gained the post through royal favour in 1762 and serving in the post until the following year (he was in fact Britain's first Scottish Prime Minister.
Bute was also a Satanist, or at least he was as much a Satanist as Churchill was a Druid, belonging to an avowedly Satanic group though probably for social and fraternal reasons more than theological conviction. The group in question was the Order of St. Francis the most notorious of the so called Hell Fire Clubs of eighteenth century Britain. The Order of St. Francis was founded by Francis Dashwood (hence its name) sometime around 1745. At its core were an inner circle of founding members known as the Unholy Twelve, of which Bute was one. Though several were there for social (and as we shall see sexual reasons) some members were avowedly satanists. Aside from Dashwood, both Thomas Potter and George Selwyn have been cited in this context.
Meetings of the Order of St. Francis were, from 1750, held at Medmenham Abbey (a former Cistercian abbey) and began with a black mass but this was only the prelude for a drinking binge and sexual orgy facilitated by prostitutes (usually dressed as nuns) hired (or coerced) for the evening, the real attraction for members like Bute. According to Daniel Mannix, Bute was a dedicated member, never missing a meeting.
As a member of the establishment Bute was not alone at Medmenham. Dashwood, an M.P. was Postmaster General and among other prominent members was John Wilkes, the Chancellor of the Exchequer (Dashwood had also served a turn in this post).
Another member was a poet called Charles Churchill. Unfortunately a familial connection with the Druid Winston is ruled out by Mannix who states in his erroneously entitled book about the Order The Hell Fire Club that Charles Churchill was not related to the family of the twentieth century prime minister.
It was the concentration of influential not to say ambitious political figures within the Order of St. Francis led to the club’s undoing.
Despite being 'brothers' at Medmenham, Wilkes (who was a Whig) and Bute were arch political enemies. In fact Wilkes' most well known campaign involved a series of newspaper articles criticisng Bute and the King which landed him in court. Wilkes won the case and, having become associated with the popular mood, rode on a wave of mass support from which derived one of the most enduring political chants in British history; 'Wilkes and Liberty'
Wilkes attempted to replace Bute as prime minister by leaking the secrets of the Franciscans, their statanic rituals and Bute’s participation. Wilkes was initially successful and Bute was forced out of office following street demonstrations against his misrule. From there on however Wilkes’ plan began to unravel as one by one all the members of the club were revealed including Wilkes himself. Dashwood’s enterprise went into a terminal decline despite valient attempts by its founder to keep it going whilst Wilkes was forced into exile.
Bute continued to exert some influence in court circles and eventually died in 1792.
Apart from in the warped perceptions of evangelical Christians who view anything remotely new age (including Druidry) as Satanic, there is little to connect the Satanism of the Order of St. Francis with the Druids except for the rather embarassing (for contemporary Druids) historical evidence that the ancient Druids practised human sacrifice, something Satanists are perennially accused of. There was however a significant over-lap in the membership of the Order of St. Francis and other Hell Fire Clubs of the time and Freemasonry. Dashwood and Wilkes were both Masons as were other famous ‘Franciscans’; the American Benjamin Franklin and the artist William Hogarth. It seems clear that the Hell Fire Clubs were born out of the same eighteenth century ‘club mania’ that fuelled the Druid revival and the instituitionalisation of Freemasonry, through the creation of Grand Lodge, that we have already referred to.
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[eternal_spirit]

Operating Thetans ( OT ) degrees of Scientology and the term OTO is too much of a coincidence. OTO and high level Masonry connects and they where obssessed with creating the perfect humans ( playing god with genetics ) or impregnating via rituals, both connected. funded by the Rockefeller foundations and other None Governmental organizations and fund eugenics experiments. Organizations who are exempt from tax. A term of high Masonry is "to take what is imperfect and make it perfect" One meaning of this......Is about eugenics..... artificial insemination with genetically altered genes.

Church of Scientology ( COS ) Church of Satan ( COS ) too much of a coincidence.

In Tantric the aim of the advanced practitioners is to have sex with spirits even the goddess shakti or the god shiva and other spirits to maybe give birth to a child union of a mortal human and a spirit. ( The Immaculate conception) Like in the Moonchild theory ( another of Crowley's themes and a book ) also Rosemary's baby. This goes way back to earliest known tantrics of India, OTO do this at the higher levels.


The masons the Elite they have special women or men of chosen blood lines. This is where the scarlet woman whore of babylon fits in, also know as the sacred prostitute ( the hell fire club ) Benjamin Franklin was a member of this. See they believed before there where any humans they willed bodies into existence ( the spirits ) And they reincarnate into the same family lineage, this is why they inter marry to their cousins etc. Also the Mormon church is a good example of this that's why they have files stored of all members genetic and lineage. Some of the rituals are about communing with the dead.

This is were demonic possession fits in the souls ( spirits demons look for human bodies to inhabit )
discarnate entities wating to incarnate into to a human host.

SRA is used maybe , and sex rituals to create a vibrational compatibility between demon ( spirit ) an the human host, allowing possession of the human host by the spirit. Symbolically and alternatively this could be viewed as the demon being an added personality created in the persons mind "MPD"
Sure you know about the blood sacrafcie how that attracts the demons of the lower astral planes.

[eternal_spirit]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8346/sampleje2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

So now, let me introduce the most popular black magician (together with L. Ron Hubbard ( on the right ) the founder of the Church of Scientology) of today. In the middle Jack Parsons ex Rocket Scientist? Where all buddies...

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Parson's discoveries where later used partly for work on the Atom Bomb!

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thirdwave
There is nothing in any of Crowley's writings which instructs people on how to deliver "curses".

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Crowley learned ritual magic from the man who was renown as the master of his day, MacGregor Mathers. The pupil-student relationship soon turned into a bitter rivalry and resulted literally in a Black Magic war. When Mathers died in 1918 many of his friends were convinced that Crowley was responsible for his death. Mathers, also a Freemason, introduced Crowley to an occult organization called the "Golden Dawn" and helped Crowley along his dark walk on the Egyptian Masonic road.

Do you realize how many texts/books are allegedley written by AC. You've barely scraped the surface TW. Need I say more.

[eternal_spirit]

This convo came up on Tsarions forum a while back and he posted some of his work in progress for people to read ... has not been edited or anything yet...


its a very good read for anyone interested in Crowley and the occult..

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You don't like/trust my sources as you've stated on occassions.
Oh dear, I'm not going to even consider Tsarion as a good source for honest information about a fellow Freemason such as Crowley!

Here's some excellent proof of how Tsarion connects to New Age and other assorted occult Masonic orgonizations promoted and funded by the Elite's Culture Creators etc.


I think you've seen these before TW, but many haven't.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=338406&postcount=939

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=338752&postcount=947

[eternal_spirit]

What happend to the ones who exposed much of this agenda

William ( Bill ) Cooper - murdered.

John Todd - Dissapeared, one report saying he was carried away in a black unmarked helicopter ( these are synonomous with covert psyops) He has never been seen since.

Alan Watt - they tried to take him out, but luckily they failed!

David Icke - slandered a Neo Nazi and various labels.

There are others but the names escape me at the moment. Like the Catholic priest? who was hanged upside down and had his blood drained.

[eternal_spirit]

and

Fritz Springmeier still in prison? And what's the story , was he put there on "false charges a set up?"

The answer is YES...

Fritz Springmeier 13 Illuminati families

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=340097#post340097

[thirdwave]

Crowley learned ritual magic from the man who was renown as the master of his day, MacGregor Mathers. The pupil-student relationship soon turned into a bitter rivalry and resulted literally in a Black Magic war. When Mathers died in 1918 many of his friends were convinced that Crowley was responsible for his death. Mathers, also a Freemason, introduced Crowley to an occult organization called the "Golden Dawn"

Well this is all great if this is what you have read and want to belive... the fact is Crowley was not in competition with anyone... and it was not just Macgregor who hated him ... many masons did.... He walked away from him because he could see he was not on the mark.... went on his own and if you would read the facts that Tsarion put together you will see just what he done when he went alone and why many occultisms sing Crowleys name and not Mathers..

Do you realize how many texts/books are allegedley written by AC. You've barely scraped the surface TW. Need I say more.

Hu?... what are you talking about?

you know how mush shite it written about him???...need I say more.




You don't like/trust my sources as you've stated on occassions.
Oh dear, I'm not going to even consider Tsarion as a good source for honest information about a fellow Freemason such as Crowley!

:)

and here YOU are exposed... your clueless awareness on anything occult related have brought you to the conclusion that Tsarion is a freemason... and thus you do not listen to his well researched work on Crowley... and continue to judge Crowley from the same mind set as you judge Tsarion!

LOL, I have to laugh as if I don't you would be such a stressful person to talk to!!



Here's some excellent proof of how Tsarion connects to New Age and other assorted occult Masonic orgonizations promoted and funded by the Elite's Culture Creators etc.

LOL!!

if you have nothing of substance to say just fire out the old "New Age" generalisation bullshit and the old "although I cant prove fuck all, he is paid by the Elite to come out with this stuff" !! "...a...a..and even if its real its fake!!......p...prove its real!!... look I'v got wikipidia on my side!!"

Oh, but the bible and Christianity is the reason we are in the free part of the world!!!... according to you!

LOL, Oh p-lease!, give it a rest!


I think you've seen these before TW, but many haven't.


I have seen plenty of your links... but it gets extremely frustrating looking at them because you put about 1 point in 200 pages and that one point does not really prove anything unless you are in the mind set that anyone and everyone involved in the occult or secret societies are Satanists!

Then, when you ask a question to elaborate you just go off on some self motivated theories you have come up with and get all wound up that people have not been brainwashed by your repetitive posting..!

What do YOU think of Crowleys work?.... what do YOU think his work done?.....

put your links away and put YOUR mind on the table.

[eternal_spirit]

LoL what nonsense are you babbling about in your previous post.


This will make you think ( As I remember you scoffed at the idea last time I mentioned the connections of Rosicrucians too do with Christianity see you still haven't done your homework :D) Crowley's father was a member of the Christian clergy ( Plymouth Bretheren )



According to Lawrence Sutin:

“…the esoteric lineage of the O.T.O, drew both from Indian Tantraism and from a host of past Western secret societies, including (as the name O.T.O confirms), the Knights Templar.”

The one Order which was supposed to protect the Roman Church and its followers, an order that represented themselves as Knights of Christ, were, according to the O.T.O., practicing sex magick!

As soon as Crowley had been made the British Head of the Order he took on the name Baphomet. This is the idol that the Templars were alleged to have worshipped. The Baphomet has many meanings but for Crowley he believed the name came from a Greek word meaning “baptism of wisdom” or “absorption into wisdom.” The 19th century occultist Eliphas Levi designed an image of the Baphomet depicted as a goat’s head with a hermaphroditic body (representing the uniting of male and female).

Baphomet lore was considered by Theodor Reuss to be crucial to the O.T.O. I think that, principally, in the uniting of opposites within this image; above and below, waxing and waning Moon symbols, and the female breasts combined with the male generative organs, that this symbol represents all the secrets of the western esoteric tradition, specifically: sacred sexuality.



Apparently, after the Templars had been disbanded in 1307, various members (those who had not been executed) had carried on the Templar traditions and had passed on the secrets. They formed other esoteric societies and kept the secret doctrine alive. This secret doctrine passed into the hands of those later to be known as the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons and finally the O.T.O. But how had the Templars obtained this information? From what source had these rites been handed over to them? According to many sources the Knights Templar were carrying on the tradition of the one and only Jesus Christ!



Christ, Simon Magus, and the True Secret Doctrine

According to the latest research being conducted by certain New Testament scholars, Jesus Christ and his consort Mary Magdalene had been practicing sex magick, or sacred sexuality rituals. It is believed that Mary herself had initiated Christ into a sex magick order. The book The Templar Revelation by Lynn Pickett and Clive Prince meticulously goes over the latest findings to make a very good case for this theory. It is well known in most occult circles that the archetype of Jesus Christ - the dead and risen God - is the same archetype as Osiris from Egypt.



Every culture has a mythological figure that represents the dying of the worldly ego and the rebirth of a higher stage of consciousness. Christ was well aware of this. Having spent much time in Alexandria he was extremely aware of the myth of Osiris. It is believed that Christ went out of his way to emulate the Egyptian God Osiris, to the extent of actually having himself crucified so that he could experience a near- physical death and live out the myth of the dead and risen God. What is left out of the Bible is that Christ needed a female consort to complete the myth. Osiris had his Isis, Shiva had his Shakti, and Christ had his Magdalene.

In the myth of Osiris, the God is cut to pieces by Set. Yet, Isis manages to scrape up all of his parts and glue them back together, except for his penis, which in some versions of the story has been eaten by a fish. Nevertheless, magickally, Isis is able to impregnate herself with this emasculated corpse, and gives birth to their son, the "Crowned and Conquering Child" Horus, who eventually avenges his fathers death. The key to this birth or rebirth is sex! It is believed that in Egypt sex had been used as a sacrament and a religious rite for centuries.





Picknett and Prince write:

“Some of the most sacred ancient Egyptian rites were sexual - for example, a daily religious observance on the part of the Pharaoh and his consort that involved him being masturbated by her. This was a symbolic re-enactment of the god Ptah’s creation of the universe, which he effected by similar means. Religious imagery in palaces and temples unequivocally depicted this act…”

A contemporary of Jesus Christ was Simon Magus. Simon had been accused of holding blasphemous sexual rites and practicing sorcery. As Osiris had his Isis and Jesus his Mary, Simon had Helen. Simon Magus had been known as a sorcerer and a sex magician, and was seen as representing the satanic opposite of Christ.



But according to Picknett and Prince:

“Simon Magus and Jesus were, as far as the early Church was concerned, dangerously alike in their teaching, which is why Simon was accused of having tried to steal the Christians’ knowledge. This is tacit admission that his own teaching was, in fact, compatible with that of Jesus-even that he was part of the same movement.



The implications of this are disturbing. Were the sexual rites of Simon and Helen for example, also practiced by Jesus and Mary Magdalene? According to Epiphanius, the Gnostics had a book called the Great Questions of Mary, which purported to be the inner secrets of the Jesus movement and which took the form of ‘obscene’ ceremonies.”



As contemporaries and as rival cult leaders, I think it’s pretty obvious that what one man knew, so did the other! This is the secret doctrine that was passed onto what later became the Knights Templar, then the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons, and later the O.T.O."

Crowley has hinted in many of his publications that he held the real secrets of Christ. The pre-Church Gnostics were revered by Crowley as carriers of the true secrets of Jesus Christ. In one of Crowley’s most important publications, The Equinox of the Gods he writes:

“Refuse the Law, you put yourself beyond its pale. It is the Law that Jesus Christ, or rather the Gnostic tradition of which the Christ-legend is a degradation, attempted to teach; but nearly every word he said was misinterpreted and garbled by his enemies, particularly by those who called themselves his disciples.”

But Crowley knew the real Law of Christ. The Templars knew, the Masons knew and the Rosicrucians knew. The way to true enlightenment was also the way to life. Sex is the basis of all things. The uniting of opposites is the secret of the world: God and Beast, Lingam and Yoni, Good and Evil, Creation and Destruction.

[thirdwave]

Good luck with that.

[damagedbrainn]

quote: thirdwave
There is nothing in any of Crowley's writings which instructs people on how to deliver "curses".

........................................

Crowley learned ritual magic from the man who was renown as the master of his day, MacGregor Mathers. The pupil-student relationship soon turned into a bitter rivalry and resulted literally in a Black Magic war. When Mathers died in 1918 many of his friends were convinced that Crowley was responsible for his death. Mathers, also a Freemason, introduced Crowley to an occult organization called the "Golden Dawn" and helped Crowley along his dark walk on the Egyptian Masonic road.

Do you realize how many texts/books are allegedley written by AC. You've barely scraped the surface TW. Need I say more.

That comment was written by me, not Thirdwave.

And what I said was that there is nothing in Crowley's writings which instructs others on how to perform curses, not that Crowley didn't know how to do so or that he never practiced it. So whatever delusions "Nuit" was under concerning any of her supposed "magic powers" didn't come from anything that Crowley wrote, but most likely from her own imagination, or perhaps hoo doo.

I have no idea if Crowley commonly practiced "cursing" others, as there's little evidence to effectively distinguish between rumor and fact. However, the "magical battle" between Crowley and Mathers was much publicised in its day due mostly to the bizarre, tabloid-esque nature of it (imagine two grown men showing up to court covered in magic talismans). Who started it, what occured during it, and what the outcome was depends entirely on whose side you believe.

Mathers death is a mystery, as there is no cause of death listed on his death certificate. Some believe it was the result of a curse by Crowley, others believe it was the result of Mather's own occult practices, while others (such as colleague and close friend, Dion Fortune) believe he died as the result of the Influenza epidemic that was spreading at the time.

[damagedbrainn]

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http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm (http://www.kt70.com/%7Ejamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm)
John Todd's quotes ( he was set up and imprisoned on probable false charges, on his release he dissapeared prob murderd for spilling the beans )
THE TOP BLOCK IS WHAT I WAS INITIATED INTO, THE COUNCIL OF 13 CALLED THE GRAND DRUID COUNCIL. They only take orders from the Rothschilds and nobody else. They're their private priesthood. The Council of 33 is directly under them, that is the 33 highest Masons in the World. The Council of 500, some of the richest people in the World--there are 500, actually, some of the richest people and conglomerates in the World--it's their real power as I'll show you in a minute.


Okay. Honestly ES, you need to tone down your posts a little since it's difficult, and in this case impossible, to decipher what your point is or what you're even going on about. A lot of the things you post seem very random, off-topic, and just out of nowhere.

I still can't see why you brought Bonewits up or what he has to do with whatever is that was being discussed. Nor can I see what your reasoning was in connecting him to the ACLU; and from this comment and your previous, I don't think you even know what the ACLU even is or what they do. The only relevant connection that I can think of is that the ACLU, being quite adamant in their defense of the Bill of Rights, defend people's right to practice whatever religion they wish. However, you didn't say anything like that, but rather stated that the ACLU likes to slander people like David Icke as "Neo-Nazis", which is completely absurd since the ACLU has legally defended Neo-Nazi groups' and Holocaust Revisionists' rights to free speech. That's one of the "controversial" stances that they're most known for in America.

[eternal_spirit]

Okay. Honestly ES, you need to tone down your posts a little since it's difficult, and in this case impossible, to decipher what your point is or what you're even going on about. A lot of the things you post seem very random, off-topic, and just out of nowhere.

I still can't see why you brought Bonewits up or what he has to do with whatever is that was being discussed. Nor can I see what your reasoning was in connecting him to the ACLU; and from this comment and your previous, I don't think you even know what the ACLU even is or what they do. The only relevant connection that I can think of is that the ACLU, being quite adamant in their defense of the Bill of Rights, defend people's right to practice whatever religion they wish. However, you didn't say anything like that, but rather stated that the ACLU likes to slander people like David Icke as "Neo-Nazis", which is completely absurd since the ACLU has legally defended Neo-Nazi groups' and Holocaust Revisionists' rights to free speech. That's one of the "controversial" stances that they're most known for in America.

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Bonewitz was involved with La Vey and the Church of Satan, but fell out with La Vey. He was/is also a Druid ( so was Crowley )

The ACLU was a missquote (SORRY ACLU ) I did edit my post when I'd realised the mistake. I meant to say ADDL was set up with the help of Bonewitz.

EDIT quote RE:

( OOPS EDIT LOL!!! I got mixed up with ACLU! SHOULD OF BEEN AADL! DOH!:o)another Freemasonic set up I bet, you know do some good deeds get the press coverage, bit like Masonic charity work, most people don't look for evils where they don't think they'll find it. Hoodwinked! Wouldn't surprise me if the Scottish Rite had something to do with it.

B'nai Brith (Sons of the Covenant)
Democracy is being redefined to protect all minority rights without distinction. The B'nai Brith, formed by the Sephardic Jews who ran most of the slave trade into America, is a Masonic organization and is Chartered under the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, with their buildings called Lodges. They're implicated in fomenting dissension on both sides of the Revolutionary War, the assassination of Abraham Lincoln through the spin-off group called the Knights of the Golden Circle, all recorded in the Congressional Records. The B'nai Brith are writing the Hate Laws today for implementation into the general public.

[eternal_spirit]

Bonewits graduated from UC Berkeley in 1970 with a BA, becoming the only person to have ever received any kind of degree in Magic from an accredited university.
Crowley educated at Oxford or Cambridge.

These are Elite schools for the Elite. they call it the old boys network in Britain ( jobs for the boys ) I'll scrath your back if you scratch mine, these people get all the top jobs and influence Politics, media, Judicial etc, and have acces to the higher levels of Freemasonry and other societies. EDIT- MI6 intelligence agencies, psyops, Culture creators - New Age - Wiccan movement - Neo Druids etc.

The Druids where the Elite Priesthood and this was the religion of ancient times.

[eternal_spirit]

Some OTO theories/rituals where to create a Golem, Kabbalistic demonolgy....

The Golem

Perhaps the most well-known example of this phenomenon, as transmuted by a variety of European sources, is that of the golem, the artificial anthropoid animated by magic. The Talmud relates a tale of rabbis who grew hungry while on a journey--so they created a calf out of earth and ate it for dinner. The Kabbalists determined that the rabbis did this magical act by means of permuting language, primarily utilizing the formulas set forth in the Sefer Yetzirah (javascript:showILG('Sefer_Yetzirah.htm');), or Book of Creation (javascript:showILG('Book_of_Creation.htm');). Just as God speaks and creates, in the Genesis (javascript:showILG('Genesis.htm');) story, so too can the mystic. (The word Abracadabra, incidentally, derives from avra k'davra, Aramaic (javascript:showILG('Aramaic.htm');) for "I create as I speak.") Thus, under the rarest of circumstances, a human being may imbue lifeless matter with that intangible, but essential spark of life: the soul.

The Kabbalists saw the creation of a golemas a kind of alchemical task, the accomplishment of which proved the adept's skill and knowledge of Kabbalah. In popular legend, however, the golem became a kind of folk hero. Tales of mystical rabbis creating life from dust abounded, particularly in the Early Modern period, and inspired such tales as Frankenstein and "The Sorcerer's Apprentice." Sometimes the golem saves the Jewish community from persecution or death, enacting the kind of heroism or revenge unavailable to powerless Jews. Often, however, Jewish folktales about the golem tell what happens when things go awry--when the power of life-force goes astray, often with tragic results.

The classic narrative of the Golem tells of how Rabbi Judah Loew of Prague (javascript:showILG('Prague.htm');) (known as the Maharal (javascript:showILG('Maharal.htm');); 1525-1609) created a golem to defend the Jewish community from antisemitic attacks. But eventually, the golem grows fearsome and violent, and Rabbi Loew is forced to destroy it. (Legend tells that the golem remains in the attic of the Altneushul in Prague, ready to be reactivated if needed; this legend reappeared recently in Michael Chabon's The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay). Likewise in Paul Wegener's expressionist film The Golem (1920), the golem is a brutish creature whose powers are all-too-easily turned to destructive ends.

This is, of course, a perfect encapsulation of the same anxiety that underlies so much of the mystical speculation about demons, dybbuks, ghosts, and golems: the power of life is so strong, that it brings both promise and terror.

Jay Michaelson is the author of God in Your Body: Kabbalah, Mindfulness, and Embodied Spiritual Practice.


http://www.myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/god/Overview_About_God/Angels/Demons.htm

[thirdwave]

Some OTO theories/rituals where to create a Golem, Kabbalistic demonolgy....

The Golem

Perhaps the most well-known example of this phenomenon, as transmuted by a variety of European sources, is that of the golem, the artificial anthropoid animated by magic. The Talmud relates a tale of rabbis who grew hungry while on a journey--so they created a calf out of earth and ate it for dinner. The Kabbalists determined that the rabbis did this magical act by means of permuting language, primarily utilizing the formulas set forth in the Sefer Yetzirah (javascript:showILG('Sefer_Yetzirah.htm');), or Book of Creation (javascript:showILG('Book_of_Creation.htm');). Just as God speaks and creates, in the Genesis (javascript:showILG('Genesis.htm');) story, so too can the mystic. (The word Abracadabra, incidentally, derives from avra k'davra, Aramaic (javascript:showILG('Aramaic.htm');) for "I create as I speak.") Thus, under the rarest of circumstances, a human being may imbue lifeless matter with that intangible, but essential spark of life: the soul.

The Kabbalists saw the creation of a golemas a kind of alchemical task, the accomplishment of which proved the adept's skill and knowledge of Kabbalah. In popular legend, however, the golem became a kind of folk hero. Tales of mystical rabbis creating life from dust abounded, particularly in the Early Modern period, and inspired such tales as Frankenstein and "The Sorcerer's Apprentice." Sometimes the golem saves the Jewish community from persecution or death, enacting the kind of heroism or revenge unavailable to powerless Jews. Often, however, Jewish folktales about the golem tell what happens when things go awry--when the power of life-force goes astray, often with tragic results.

The classic narrative of the Golem tells of how Rabbi Judah Loew of Prague (javascript:showILG('Prague.htm');) (known as the Maharal (javascript:showILG('Maharal.htm');); 1525-1609) created a golem to defend the Jewish community from antisemitic attacks. But eventually, the golem grows fearsome and violent, and Rabbi Loew is forced to destroy it. (Legend tells that the golem remains in the attic of the Altneushul in Prague, ready to be reactivated if needed; this legend reappeared recently in Michael Chabon's The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay). Likewise in Paul Wegener's expressionist film The Golem (1920), the golem is a brutish creature whose powers are all-too-easily turned to destructive ends.

This is, of course, a perfect encapsulation of the same anxiety that underlies so much of the mystical speculation about demons, dybbuks, ghosts, and golems: the power of life is so strong, that it brings both promise and terror.

Jay Michaelson is the author of God in Your Body: Kabbalah, Mindfulness, and Embodied Spiritual Practice.


http://www.myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/god/Overview_About_God/Angels/Demons.htm



if you go and have a look back at every mass bit of text you have posted here, do you seriously expect me to read through it all...?

are you able to compile all the text you have posted in to 2 or 3 points that everyone can read without wasting their time?

[amethyst]

Well this is all great if this is what you have read and want to belive... the fact is Crowley was not in competition with anyone... and it was not just Macgregor who hated him ... many masons did.... He walked away from him because he could see he was not on the mark.... went on his own and if you would read the facts that Tsarion put together you will see just what he done when he went alone and why many occultisms sing Crowleys name and not Mathers..



Hu?... what are you talking about?

you know how mush shite it written about him???...need I say more.





:)

and here YOU are exposed... your clueless awareness on anything occult related have brought you to the conclusion that Tsarion is a freemason... and thus you do not listen to his well researched work on Crowley... and continue to judge Crowley from the same mind set as you judge Tsarion!

LOL, I have to laugh as if I don't you would be such a stressful person to talk to!!




LOL!!

if you have nothing of substance to say just fire out the old "New Age" generalisation bullshit and the old "although I cant prove fuck all, he is paid by the Elite to come out with this stuff" !! "...a...a..and even if its real its fake!!......p...prove its real!!... look I'v got wikipidia on my side!!"

Oh, but the bible and Christianity is the reason we are in the free part of the world!!!... according to you!

LOL, Oh p-lease!, give it a rest!



I have seen plenty of your links... but it gets extremely frustrating looking at them because you put about 1 point in 200 pages and that one point does not really prove anything unless you are in the mind set that anyone and everyone involved in the occult or secret societies are Satanists!

Then, when you ask a question to elaborate you just go off on some self motivated theories you have come up with and get all wound up that people have not been brainwashed by your repetitive posting..!

What do YOU think of Crowleys work?.... what do YOU think his work done?.....

put your links away and put YOUR mind on the table.

Thirdwave,

I took the time to read thru this whole thread last night, and honestly I don't understand something.

It looks like ES went to a lot of time and trouble to look up all the information he posted here.

What I don't understand is TW, you been dissing all the information that ES researched. You haven't acknowledged anything that he has posted but instead have just attacked his character, instead of addressing the information ES has posted.

Are you saying that NOTHING that ES has posted is legitimate? That all of it is lies? He's posted an awful lot of information. I'm guessing it took him a while to find the stuff.

What I don't understand is why you are so vigorously defending Mr. Crowley?

Just what is so great about him? Seriously, I really would like to know, and probably other people would too.

Are you saying he is not ANY of the things that ES posted?

Before reading this thread, I knew nothing about Mr. Crowley, but I like to keep an open mind about any individual, so if he is so good, tell us why he is so good TW.

I mean, was he a great father? Was he kind to people? Did he help humanity in some way that we don't know about? If you have some information, please post it instead of just attacking everything ES has so painstakingly posted.

From reading this information, Mr. Crowley really doesn't seem all that great, to be honest with you. His "practices" border on the out and out, "gross" and depraved .....if what is written is true. I mean, really yucky and disgusting.

:eek: This is a great role model for society?????

Certainly there has to be some other individual who is more of an example of enlightenment than Mr. Crowley.....I don't get why you hold him in such high esteem. If he has been totally lied about, and you have information in regards to this that someone can access, please share it.

ES has has shared a lot of information on here, and I find it hard to believe that ALL of it is bunk.

[eternal_spirit]

As the Mystery Religions spread all over the world from Babylon, they found expression in all countries of the ancient world with only a change in the names of the gods and slight variations in the rituals. While the mystery religions were practiced in all of the countries of the ancient world, it was in Egypt where centuries of devotion developed them to their highest degree.

So, here is some text from the Babylonian Talmud which is totally anti-christ, could this be the root and origins of the Satanic black mass which is also totally ant-christ. And add the cursing and vows they make in ( the Jewish blood libel another anti christ ritual ) to do bad unto Christians puts it on par with the Black Satanic Mass. I've read up on both these issues so......It's easy to see the likeness as far as cursing goes.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ght=black+mass

The blood libel they choose a Christian child of perfect innocence, but because the victim isn't a Jew, they consider the victim a "goyim" So they don't bury the body same as an animal ( Goyim means cattle bit like sheep means sheeple to the Elite ) With the victims body not being buried, it's left above ground, on a rubbish dump, down an alley, in a field anywhere out in the open, this is how they've been caught, when the victims body has been discovered, all the hall marks of ritual sacrafice are evident, which sometimes has lead to the arrest, trial and prosecution of the murderers, all well documented cases.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=323886&postcount=2

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=156278&postcount=9




Judaism and the Talmud

Jesus in the Talmud:
Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ
While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.
For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:
"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':
1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website) June 20, 2000.
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].
Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.
"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'
"Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.
"It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding Talmud discussion is actually about Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" and was conceived in the filth of menstruation). The boy's adulterous mother in this Talmud story is the mother of Christ, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in the Talmud).

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish')... --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21.
"The Talmud contains a few explicit references to Jesus...These references are certainly not complimentary...There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus...The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.
"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse, 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturey Qarta) sometimes refer to Herzl as 'Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as "Nasser Jesus" and more recently 'Arafat Jesus." --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 97- 98, 118.
Talmud Attacks Christians and Christian Books
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703

[thirdwave]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]
Thirdwave,

I took the time to read thru this whole thread last night, and honestly I don't understand something.

It looks like ES went to a lot of time and trouble to look up all the information he posted here.

What I don't understand is TW, you been dissing all the information that ES researched. You haven't acknowledged anything that he has posted but instead have just attacked his character, instead of addressing the information ES has posted.

I completely disagree, I have told him that he is free to believe what ever he likes and if he wants to take as fact the research he has presented well then fine... I have also told him that I do not value the reseach availbale all over the internet as there is so much crap on there and urge people to read his own works and judge rather than what others say about him, I have made this point very clear to him.

I am offering alternative info which I have also posted, (which he has brushed off also)

I don't agree with what ES is saying, and if he cant put his points in one post, then I should not be expected to waste time going through his spamming.


Are you saying that NOTHING that ES has posted is legitimate? That all of it is lies? He's posted an awful lot of information. I'm guessing it took him a while to find the stuff.
I have made my feeling very clear, while I am aware that Crowley had his dark side and was not perfect I am also aware that mass amount of bullshit was written about him..

I am not bothered if he has managed to find some negative issues about Crowley... he has shown know knowledge oin what some respect about Crolwey and is only trying to encourage people to view him in the same light as he does and to pay no attention to Crowleys teachings...

I have not commented on his research as it does not interest me.... others can, I have posted my research and others can also view that and make of it what they will.

I do not value ES research as I have seen his thorough investigation while he was accusing Tsarion of being a Satanist, and it was full of shit to be blunt.... and it is that info he is using to ignore my link I posted here!


What I don't understand is why you are so vigorously defending Mr. Crowley?
What I dont understand is why he is so vigorously attacking Mr Crowley.

I believe that people should check him out for them selves other than listen to other people force their opinions on you. and THIS is what I am defending here.

Just what is so great about him? Seriously, I really would like to know, and probably other people would too.
It is not my job to tell you whats great about him..... this is a personal opinion... I am not telling people he is great, please show me where I have said he is great!...

I am telling people to check for them selves... you ignore my Text I posted of a very well researched man talk about the positive aspects of Crowley, you ignore it and ask me this question after you have told me off for not reading about 20 million pages of ESs texts!

for people that view things like the occult...tarot...kaballah.... and so on as evil devil worshipping jargen... then Crowley will be of no benefit or interest to you.... those who respect that it is a relevant knowledge will see he was an intelligent man ... and if people had listen to him more instead of calling him the devil then maybe there would be more knowledgeable people around today.

I happen to think that events like the 60s where a huge boost to humanity and if you had any idea what Crowley was about you would respect that the 60s was very much what he was about... which is why so many inspirational people during the 60s respected him.

Now, YOU tell me what was so bad about him.... what did he do that was so bad..... not what people have said he done... what do we KNOW he done that was so bad?


Are you saying he is not ANY of the things that ES posted?

If you think Im reading all that then you can think again....

Was he in many top secret scociteuis?, yes... was he into the occult?.. in a big way yes... was he knowlegable about what black magicians done, yes...... was he a dark characheter ?...yes.

If he said all those then I agree...

Was he a Satanist? ...No, in fact he looked down on them, Was he evil?, No he had an understand way beyond good and evil.... does he brainwash people with his work? ..hell no, quite the opposite... he is Rock n roll, and teaches people to fuck the system and be your self, be free and brake through the bullshit boundaries we and society creates!

This is what I have taken from his work and it was a very positive intake and would advice others to give it a go... I'm not a Satanist.. not evil.

Both you and ES defend the bible with passion, why on earth would you respect somone like Crowley who saw it is nothing more sacred than toilet paper... of course you guys dont like him!


Before reading this thread, I knew nothing about Mr. Crowley, but I like to keep an open mind about any individual, so if he is so good, tell us [B]why he is so good TW.

Jut by the tone you have I can tell you have allready judged him so Im not sure where you are coming from here.... if you have read through here then youwould have read through the text I posted and saw that ES's links are full of poo poo.

I mean, was he a great father? Was he kind to people? Did he help humanity in some way that we don't know about? If you have some information, please post it instead of just attacking everything ES has so painstakingly posted.
My word!, go back and READ. Talking about me ignoring posts?.. I have sent 1 long post with stacks of info and research on his character and achievements... compared to shit loads of ESs spam stating the same thing over and over.... DB has also posted relevant info and here you are compleatly ignoring it and claiming you are being natural.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor



From reading this information, Mr. Crowley really doesn't seem all that great, to be honest with you. His "practices" border on the out and out, "gross" and depraved .....if what is written is true. I mean, really yucky and disgusting.

Well then think what you like about him then, I am choosing to judge him directly other than from what others say about him.... does this seam unfair to you? I have explained how people take things out of contact and miss quote him... Christians mainly who he loved to wind up.... I have explained how the media tried to attack his character as they done to Ickes.... I have explained how he was not liked by the NWO folk back then....

But Im noting going to force you what to think... if you want to believe all the crap ES has posted then do so... I don't!

Certainly there has to be some other individual who is more of an example of enlightenment than Mr. Crowley.....

You mean like Jesus? ..yeah right! lol

Some people don't look to one person, they like to listen to many diforent people express them selves to assist them express them selves... we should be able to choose these people.

I don't get why you hold him in such high esteem.

Hard luck.

If he has been totally lied about, and you have information in regards to this that someone can access, please share it.
No, if you have got info on him being bad for me, then YOU post it...

But I will warn you, get to the point as Im not going to waste my time reading through ignorance...

I can sum up my feelings in a few sentences... so you guys do the same.

ES has has shared a lot of information on here, and I find it hard to believe that ALL of it is bunk.

LOL, Ooohhhhh I tell you what you might be surprised!

I think you will find much of the info he is posting is correct... its the conclusions people have come to and the conclusions he comes do due to the lack of understanding on certain knowledge, its this that pretty much makes it all a pointless read.


...(example)... "A bad man taught crowley how to read the tarrot" ..... Eeerrrrr and?

S...s...so that means Crowley is evil....

A....a....and this bad man got Crowley this .... and that bad man done this for Crowley..... and Crowley wears the same pants as Hitler..... and Crowley farted once in chruch!

READ HIS BOOKS! and allow others to think what they wish!

[eternal_spirit]

Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/moed_kattan%2017a.JPG
Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."


( Now does this sound like what the psychopathic ruling Elite are like.)

[thirdwave]

ok ES

lets put you to the test....

I am not going to read all your pages ...probably posted to push mind back in the post count...

But can you actually state your views on him and why you think them in a more reasonable post where people do not need to take half a day of work to read?

if you had a valid point it should be easy to do right...?

[kweli]

Thirdwave,

I took the time to read thru this whole thread last night, and honestly I don't understand something.

It looks like ES went to a lot of time and trouble to look up all the information he posted here.

What I don't understand is TW, you been dissing all the information that ES researched. You haven't acknowledged anything that he has posted but instead have just attacked his character, instead of addressing the information ES has posted.

Are you saying that NOTHING that ES has posted is legitimate? That all of it is lies? He's posted an awful lot of information. I'm guessing it took him a while to find the stuff.

What I don't understand is why you are so vigorously defending Mr. Crowley?

Just what is so great about him? Seriously, I really would like to know, and probably other people would too.

Are you saying he is not ANY of the things that ES posted?

Before reading this thread, I knew nothing about Mr. Crowley, but I like to keep an open mind about any individual, so if he is so good, tell us why he is so good TW.

I mean, was he a great father? Was he kind to people? Did he help humanity in some way that we don't know about? If you have some information, please post it instead of just attacking everything ES has so painstakingly posted.

From reading this information, Mr. Crowley really doesn't seem all that great, to be honest with you. His "practices" border on the out and out, "gross" and depraved .....if what is written is true. I mean, really yucky and disgusting.

:eek: This is a great role model for society?????

Certainly there has to be some other individual who is more of an example of enlightenment than Mr. Crowley.....I don't get why you hold him in such high esteem. If he has been totally lied about, and you have information in regards to this that someone can access, please share it.

ES has has shared a lot of information on here, and I find it hard to believe that ALL of it is bunk.

Good post amethyst, you make some very good observations. I gave up trying to debate anything with TW for the very reasons you've stated here.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thirdwave

I do not value ES research as I have seen his thorough investigation while he was accusing Tsarion of being a Satanist, and it was full of shit to be blunt.... and it is that info he is using to ignore my link I posted here!


I am telling people to check for them selves... you ignore my Text I posted of a very well researched man talk about the positive aspects of Crowley, you ignore it and ask me this question after you have told me off for not reading about 20 million pages of ESs texts!

I happen to think that events like the 60s where a huge boost to humanity and if you had any idea what Crowley was about you would respect that the 60s was very much what he was about... which is why so many inspirational people during the 60s respected him.


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Oh dear more lies . I've never once said that about Tsarion. But we know Tsarion pushes the man and his teachings the father of modern day Satanism ( Crowley )

LOL you've read little of my posts. And why should I trust Tsarion the Rosicrucian and Fellow Freemason too Crowley ( who ignores the negative aspects ) btw it's my thread I can post as much or as little as I like. Go start your own!

The 60's was one huge psyops funded and promoted by the intelligence agencies ( how many times has this been pointed out to you before ) They tried the same thing back in the 20's when Crowley was working for MI6. Seriously, use a search engine. Or actually read some of my posts.:rolleyes:

[damagedbrainn]

Oh for fuck sake. I was actually attempting to take the topic seriously and avoid arguing this time, but of course ES is going to take the topic into the same stupid direction that he takes every topic he posts....THE JEWS! Predictable as hell and I really should know better by now.

And for your information, Crowley was a raging antisemite who took every vague rumor about Jewish Blood Libel very seriously, so whether you're aware of it or not, you're in full agreement with him on that.

[amethyst]

Thirdwave,

I'm not attacking you and I wish you didn't think I was......I was just asking what I thought were legitmate questions......due to all the information I read on this thread last night.

Can you point me and the readers of this thread in a different direction and reccommend a specific book about or by Crowley that has information to the contrary? I would be curious to read it, if the other stuff is not legitimate.

Not knowing anything about him, as you seem to have more information, please let me know.

I'm surprised...you really don't have to get personal about it, I wasn't attacking you.....I was just making some comments about what I read here and wanted to know more about it. I did take the time to read thru the whole thread, and it was a lot of stuff.

Unfortunately I think you took my post the wrong way.

[eternal_spirit]

Oh for fuck sake. I was actually attempting to take the topic seriously and avoid arguing this time, but of course ES is going to take the topic into the same stupid direction that he takes every topic he posts....THE JEWS! Predictable as hell and I really should know better by now.

And for your information, Crowley was a raging antisemite who took every vague rumor about Jewish Blood Libel very seriously, so whether you're aware of it or not, you're in full agreement with him on that.
............................

It's relevant if you take it in the context of anti christ cursing rituals etc.

[amethyst]

ok ES

lets put you to the test....

I am not going to read all your pages ...probably posted to push mind back in the post count...

But can you actually state your views on him and why you think them in a more reasonable post where people do not need to take half a day of work to read?

if you had a valid point it should be easy to do right...?

Well, why not read the information he posted TW? That's not being open minded then if you only read the stuff you just think is ok.

I read various things. That's why I would read any other book you suggest that has what you say is valid, accurate information about Crowley.

That's reasonable isn't it?

[thirdwave]

[QUOTE] I've never once said that about Tsarion. But we know Tsarion pushes the man and his teachings the father of modern day Satanism ( Crowley )

OK, so you have not called Tsarion "A Satansit" but you have called him apart of the Elite's blood line and accused him of supporting Satanism! ..

but you have not called him a Satanist.... your innocent there! :rolleyes:

in fact...come to think of it, why have you not called him a Satanist... with all your wonderful links... what has prevented you from calling him one?


LOL you've read little of my posts. And why should I trust Tsarion the Rosicrucian and Fellow Freemason too Crowley ( who ignores the negative aspects ) btw it's my thread I can post as much or as little as I like. Go start your own! you don't have to... when did I say that?

It is you who is demanding the trust, I could not give a fog what you trust... I am providing alternative info to a subject you are banging on and on about and Im happy with open minded people to have the freedom to view what they wish.... you are the one who is trying to drown the thread with your views.... I have posted my views in some small readable posts and have forwarded some Tsarion text full of great info.

Its your choice to call Tsarion a mason.... you have tried to prove it while making your self look like a prize twit, exposing just how little to understand about it all... and you continue to make judgement based on your disinfo!

and worst still you expect others to do that same!! :eek:


The 60's was one huge psyops funded and promoted by the intelligence agencies

LOL!

( how many times has this been pointed out to you before ) They tried the same thing back in the 20's when Crowley was working for MI6. Seriously, use a search engine. Or actually read some of my posts.:rolleyes:

LOL!!!! dear oh dear oh dear, I have never heard some one talk so much shite in my whole life, You take the biscuit.... I should really admit to be a bit of a fool by even bothering with you.

you have the ignorance to tell me its been pointed out to me?....

So without posting some more tedious texts... can you explain to me why you think that the 60s was a fix.....

tell me what you think the 60s was.

:rolleyes:

[damagedbrainn]

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It's relevant if you take it in the context of anti christ cursing rituals etc.

I'm sure to you it seems quite relevant. The various connections you attempt to make between all these things is dubious at best, at worst completely confusing and nonsensical. The points you make will occasionally consist of a few provable facts, followed by a lot more baseless statements and imaginary speculation. It makes perfect sense to you because you already believe it; to those who do not believe it, it appears completely irrational and random.

It would be easy for me to go through your posts and point out what you've gotten right (things which are actually backed-up by primary sources); but it would take FOREVER to go through and point out and correct everything that you've either gotten wrong or that you seemed to have just made up. It would be exhausting.

A couple of simple examples:

1) What are "anti christ cursing rituals"? I have never even heard of such a thing and I doubt anyone else has either because it's something that you just made up out of nowhere.

2) Have you ever even taken a glance at a copy of the Talmud? Has anyone else (because you're not the only who believes in the validity of those moronic quotes...David Icke himself as ignorantly used them)? Those quotes don't even match the style in which the Talmud is written....it's not just a big long book of one-liners.

Case in point: If I presented an inflammatory quote which I claimed came from the Bible, what would you do? You would go and grab a Bible and look the quote up to see if I was lying. But the Talmud? Oh no....conspiracy followers will generally accept any dumbass thing said about it without quesiton. Same with the Occult...same with Masonry....same with pretty much everything "non-christian". And there's no excuse for it other than sheer laziness and stupidity.

[eternal_spirit]

I typed Aleister Crowley in the research section on this site and this is what articles I found posted by David Icke the secret socities link is also relevant.

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php?searchword=aleister+crowley&option=com_search&Itemid=
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../images/M_images/pdf_button.png (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=10551) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../images/M_images/printButton.png (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10551&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=32) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../images/M_images/emailButton.png (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=10551&itemid=32) Saturday, 15 December 2007 Crazed gunman attended OTO offshoot
'Steve Mariner, the president of Denver's occult group Ad Astra Oasis, says Murray attended group meetings for about a year before being asked to leave in September. Ad Astra Oasis is an officially chartered body of the Ordo Templi Orientis, a ceremonial magic order based on the teachings of English poet and mystic Aleister Crowley.'
Read more ... (http://origin.denverpost.com/news/ci_7696043)

[manchurian_candidate]

Right guys, please can you make sure you post your opposing opinions in a more civil manner please, I don't mean ALL of you. You don't want a potentially interesting thread to turn to arguing... :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

To DB All the links with evidence are in my posts, that will answer your questions.

And to TW you need to do some research I've provided lot's of info which will also answer your questions. If not use a search engine...

[thirdwave]

Can you point me and the readers of this thread in a different direction and reccommend a specific book about or by Crowley that has information to the contrary? I would be curious to read it, if the other stuff is not legitimate.

sure... there are books out there... somone has posted a book on here that they recommend although it seems to be out of print and costs an arm and a leg at the moment... its all on the thread...

my link with tsarion putting forward his research is informative and shows a side of Crowley ES tries to cover up...

this book here, someone has recommended it and i would like to read it.... it is not written by Crowley but is has a more balanced view on him....

you see I don't think somone has to be perfect to be intelligent... in fact I find most inspirational people to be a little bit on the edge and odd.

one must understand the age Crowley was alive and how the world has changed ...how would he be viewed today if he was alive... he would probably not even stand out.

and lets not pretend those days where any better than today....

you see ES likes to have 2 brushes... a good brush and a bad brush.... and he has to pick what one to use....

this is why he is not really a good source to listen to...

somtimes you need more brushes...

Now ES does not realise that there have probably been many decent people involved with evil people and there groups... in fact probably some of the people killed by them who we see as hero's my well have been apart of the elite... but did not agree....

It is foolish to think that such a big society with so many powerful people all get in like a house on fire and all want the same thing....

the reason I have no read ES stuff is he is not even making his point clear... he is banging on and on changing from subject to subject...in some kind of frenzy against Crowley...

his points only seem worthwhile if you share the same views as he does, this is what he cant grasp.

For example, I have asked him over and over again that why is it when Alan Watt gets some info from "Freemason friends" which he openly admitted to in an audio, why is it that ES does not question his involvement...

this either shows that AW is working for them... or it shows that some Freemasons want people to know the truth...

Yes or no?

But ES avoids this question. and questions like it.
And this is why I feel it would be a waste of time to drag my self through this outrageous amount of text he has posted (just to over blow everyone else's comments)


Not knowing anything about him, as you seem to have more information, please let me know.

no, Im not saying I have more info... Im saying that there is alot of crap said about him... looking at ES it is quite clear what info he would like to push... I am merley pointing out that there is alot of shit written and that there is another side to the guy that people talk about..

I have posted 1 large peice with some info in there and many quotes taken from Crowley and people he knew.

You must not have read it.

Its up to others to read through it all and make their own minds up..

Now, I am a beliver in useing our own minds.... read his work your self and then you will be able to read all ES's posts and the one I sent and be able to judge it all better.

for example what parts of Crowleys work is ES objecting to??.. he has not posted things Crowley believe and try's to teach....

he just takes others sources and tries to attack the movements in which he was involved with... this is not all down to Crowley, other people are involved as well....

Why does he not take a peace of Crowleys work... and discuss that with us?
He avoids talking about his work.



I'm surprised...you really don't have to get personal about it, I wasn't attacking you.....
Well sorry if I seemed defencive... I thought it was a bit cheeky taking his side and accusing me of not reading his test, when you compelaty ignored mine and asked me to "send my info" .... is seemed a bit biased on your part... If I am mistaken I apologise.


I was just making some comments about what I read here and wanted to know more about it. I did take the time to read thru the whole thread, and it was a lot of stuff.

ahhh ok, well you did say you read it through....

Well I recommend you read my text that Tsarion very kindly posted on his own forum ... work from a book in progress.

maybe from there you can connect to a few sources and continue your own research .... I would start at one of his books.

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][B]Unfortunately I think you took my post the wrong way.

So it seems... can be done easily on here :)

[eternal_spirit]

quote : damagedbrainn

same with Masonry....same with pretty much everything "non-christian". And there's no excuse for it other than sheer laziness and stupidity.

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Thought you'd read the posts about Knights Templar - Rosiscrucain - OTO and Christianity.
So, don't start with all that.

[thirdwave]

And to TW you need to do some research I've provided lot's of info which will also answer your questions. If not use a search engine...


LOL :rolleyes:

[damagedbrainn]

To DB All the links with evidence are in my posts, that will answer your questions.

And to TW you need to do some research I've provided lot's of info which will also answer your questions. If not use a search engine...

Links alone are not evidence....it all depends on the validity of what it is you link to. In other words, much of what you link to is just somebody else making things up while providing little if any evidence back up their claims, which is no more legitimate than you doing it yourself.

[eternal_spirit]

Links alone are not evidence....it all depends on the validity of what it is you link to. In other words, much of what you link to is just somebody else making things up while providing little if any evidence back up their claims, which is no more legitimate than you doing it yourself.
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No pleasing you, if I don't post links you complain when I do post links you complain. And the same could be said about any topic. Even if someone came on here posting saying they where involved with or seen something with their own eyes, doesn't say eveyone would believe it too be true.

[thirdwave]

Ok, I am getting accused of not conversing properly.... all I have tried to do here is present an other side of the argument...

I have started a new thread here for those who respect the guy and I will no longer bother with this thread as its impossible... feel free to bang on here about how clueless I am ES.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=340571#post340571

[amethyst]

Thirdwave:
my link with tsarion putting forward his research is informative and shows a side of Crowley ES tries to cover up...

this book here, someone has recommended it and i would like to read it.... it is not written by Crowley but is has a more balanced view on him....

you see I don't think somone has to be perfect to be intelligent... in fact I find most inspirational people to be a little bit on the edge and odd.

one must understand the age Crowley was alive and how the world has changed ...how would he be viewed today if he was alive... he would probably not even stand out.

I agree that someone doesn't have to be 'perfect" to be intelligent.....no one's perfect, we all have our quirks ;)

So you're saying to go to Tsarion's website to see what Mr. Crowley wrote in his own words? Like his perspective on how he saw the world...that sort of thing?

[eternal_spirit]

Thirdwave:


I agree that someone doesn't have to be 'perfect" to be intelligent.....no one's perfect, we all have our quirks ;)

So you're saying to go to Tsarion's website to see what Mr. Crowley wrote in his own words? Like his perspective on how he saw the world...that sort of thing?
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:)
Hi, some advice...you could try some Satanic or pro satanic websites they also like too paint a pretty picture about Crowley.

[lookfar]

Ok this has now been moved back from rant at ES's request. Can you please all try to keep it civil in here guys or it'll have to go back. Thanks, it's much appreciated:)

[eternal_spirit]

Ok this has now been moved back from rant at ES's request. Can you please all try to keep it civil in here guys or it'll have to go back. Thanks, it's much appreciated:)
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Thanks :)

[amethyst]

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:)
Hi, some advice...you could try some Satanic or pro satanic websites they also like too paint a pretty picture about Crowley.

O.K. gotta run.....will read TW's post about Crowley and read Tsarion's website too....

[quickening666]

Thirdwave:


I agree that someone doesn't have to be 'perfect" to be intelligent.....no one's perfect, we all have our quirks ;)

So you're saying to go to Tsarion's website to see what Mr. Crowley wrote in his own words? Like his perspective on how he saw the world...that sort of thing?

Bottom line is, Crowley liked to have sex and incorporated it into his magical practises. This alone gained him a notorious reputation back in his time. Nowadays, he would be considered no more promiscuous than the average teenager. Like Thirdwave said, you have to consider the time period. Early twentieth century England for Godsake. Consider what the reaction to David Icke would have been in those times. Is he evil to? Is he bad? Only to those with outdated, Victorian principles.
He was a cynic and he revelled in his infamy. He did not give a damn what the public thought of him and if people wanted to believe all the ludicrous rumours about him then he was more than happy to play the part. He wrote his books for students of magick, not for the general public. He wrote his books for serious students of life, not imbeciles who he couldn't care less about.
I have many of Crowleys books and sitting right next to me now is the Book of Thoth, the main topic of which was the tarot. The thing with Crowley is that to really understand one of his works you really need to have read them all. But even in this book alone it is amply clear that he was not evil by any stretch of the imagination.
He hated Christianity because of his strict upbringing as many, many people do and he hated its hypocrisy as many, many people do. The man is labelled as a Satanist and evil by people who have never even read him.

Those are the facts. Try reading him.

[damagedbrainn]

Crowley on the Jewish Blood Libel:

From Liber ABA: Book 4, Part 1: Mysticism

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/aba1.htm

The history of Christianity shows precisely the same remarkable fact. Jesus Christ was brought up on the fables of the "Old Testament," and so was compelled to ascribe his experiences to "Jehovah," although his gentle spirit could have had nothing in common with the monster who was always commanding the rape of virgins and the murder of little children, and whose rites were then, and still are, celebrated by human sacrifice.

footnote: The massacres of Jews in Eastern Europe which surprise the ignorant, are almost invariably excited by the disappearance of "Christian" children, stolen, as the parents suppose, for the purposes of "ritual murder."

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From the preface of Sepher Sephiroth as originally published in The Equinox Vol. 1 No. 8 (this preface was later edited out by Israel Regardie when he put together the book 777 and Other Qabalistic Writings.)

"Another line of argument is the historical. We do not here refer to the alleged forgery of the Qabalah by Rabbi Moses ben Leon--was it not?--but to the general position of the ethnologist that the Jews were an entirely barbarous race, incapable of any spiritual pursuit. That they were polytheists is clear from the very first verse of Genesis; that Adonai Melekh is identical with "Moloch" is known to every Hebraist. The "Old Testament" is mainly the history of the struggle of the phallic Jehovah against the rest of the Elohim, and that his sacrifices were of blood, and human blood at that, is indisputable.

Human sacrifices are today still practiced by the Jews of Eastern Europe, as is set forth at length by the late Sir Richard Burton in the MS which the wealthy Jews of England have compassed heaven and earth to suppress, and evidenced by the ever-recurring Pogroms against which so senseless an outcry is made by those who live among those degenerate Jews who are at least not cannibals."

[thelonious]

Bottom line is, Crowley liked to have sex and incorporated it into his magical practises. This alone gained him a notorious reputation back in his time. Nowadays, he would be considered no more promiscuous than the average teenager. Like Thirdwave said, you have to consider the time period. Early twentieth century England for Godsake. Consider what the reaction to David Icke would have been in those times. Is he evil to? Is he bad? Only to those with outdated, Victorian principles.
He was a cynic and he revelled in his infamy. He did not give a damn what the public thought of him and if people wanted to believe all the ludicrous rumours about him then he was more than happy to play the part. He wrote his books for students of magick, not for the general public. He wrote his books for serious students of life, not imbeciles who he couldn't care less about.
I have many of Crowleys books and sitting right next to me now is the Book of Thoth, the main topic of which was the tarot. The thing with Crowley is that to really understand one of his works you really need to have read them all. But even in this book alone it is amply clear that he was not evil by any stretch of the imagination.
He hated Christianity because of his strict upbringing as many, many people do and he hated its hypocrisy as many, many people do. The man is labelled as a Satanist and evil by people who have never even read him.

Those are the facts. Try reading him.

Well said!

[eternal_spirit]

Bottom line is, Crowley liked to have sex and incorporated it into his magical practises. This alone gained him a notorious reputation back in his time. Nowadays, he would be considered no more promiscuous than the average teenager. Like Thirdwave said, you have to consider the time period. Early twentieth century England for Godsake. Consider what the reaction to David Icke would have been in those times. Is he evil to? Is he bad? Only to those with outdated, Victorian principles.
He was a cynic and he revelled in his infamy. He did not give a damn what the public thought of him and if people wanted to believe all the ludicrous rumours about him then he was more than happy to play the part. He wrote his books for students of magick, not for the general public. He wrote his books for serious students of life, not imbeciles who he couldn't care less about.
I have many of Crowleys books and sitting right next to me now is the Book of Thoth, the main topic of which was the tarot. The thing with Crowley is that to really understand one of his works you really need to have read them all. But even in this book alone it is amply clear that he was not evil by any stretch of the imagination.
He hated Christianity because of his strict upbringing as many, many people do and he hated its hypocrisy as many, many people do. The man is labelled as a Satanist and evil by people who have never even read him.

Those are the facts. Try reading him.

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The times Crowley lived in the majority of people where not prudes and not easily shocked ( think about the age of sexual consent that was much younger and prostitution was rife ) Opium and marijuana was maybe legal ? They had the mini skirt Jazz music.

There may have been a small minority of analy retentive types, puritans, middle upper classes, but I think it's a skewed, innacurate version of accounts what they teach at school and in the History books...

Yes, he was an Elite bloodline High ranked Freemason schooled at Oxford, an upper class TWAT, on a fasle superiority power trip, wanting to be head of his New Religion and so many other orders/groups that he was involved in.

The masses where just dumb lesser humans too him, plus he got a rise out of shocking and upsetting others ( all the signs where there for a psychopath or sociopath in the making and a huge ego trip IMO.

His followers laid claim that he written around a 100 books. So, there can't be many that have read all of them, that means there must be millions of seriously confused and deluded people if what you said is correct "The thing with Crowley is that to really understand one of his works you really need to have read them all":eek:


Maybe he was sexually abused by some dodgy clergymen via black magic sex rituals, Satanic ritual abuse ( SRA as it's now known in modern day terms ) to be programmed to have multiple personality disorder,in order for him to go forth and spread his ideas, he himself may have been a pawn and his masters where writing this puppets scripts. I read a book by a man who claims to be one of Crowley's sons "Imado" and he did write some about abuse ( although can't remember who was abused he or Crowley )

You don't know if they are facts or fiction, which is the same for anyone you read about in books etc.

[quickening666]

"Yes, he was an Elite bloodline High ranked Freemason schooled at Oxford, an upper class TWAT"

Always good to hear your totally unbiast opinion. Ive noticed you have a problem with educated people or anyone of a higher class.

[quickening666]

His followers laid claim that he written around a 100 books. So, there can't be many that have read all of them, that means there must be millions of seriously confused and deluded people if what you said is correct "The thing with Crowley is that to really understand one of his works you really need to have read them all":eek:



Well it's obvious you haven't read a single one for one thing. Seriously, try picking one up. They make reference to other works and say that "a greater understanding can be gained by referring to...". Seriously, a lot of his works will make little sense viewed in isolation.

[quickening666]

Maybe he was sexually abused by some dodgy clergymen via black magic sex rituals, Satanic ritual abuse ( SRA as it's now known in modern day terms ) to be programmed to have multiple personality disorder,in order for him to go forth and spread his ideas, he himself may have been a pawn and his masters where writing this puppets scripts. I read a book by a man who claims to be one of Crowley's sons "Imado" and he did write some about abuse ( although can't remember who was abused he or Crowley )



This is the problem, everything in the above paragraph is based on absolutely nothing except your own speculation. What book?

[quickening666]

You don't know if they are facts or fiction, which is the same for anyone you read about in books etc.

No-one does. But I have read the man just like Ive read Icke and just like with Icke there is no evidence to believe that he was anything other than what he claimed.

[eternal_spirit]

"Yes, he was an Elite bloodline High ranked Freemason schooled at Oxford, an upper class TWAT"

Always good to hear your totally unbiast opinion. Ive noticed you have a problem with educated people or anyone of a higher class.

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Nothing against educated people being one myself ( brags lol ) They don't teach you much at school though ( that's a tip ):cool:
And not anyone just that many look down at the lower classes and the Master slave scripts played out thoughout time. Maybe it's the Irish in me, or is it the German or the Jew...

Oxford etc...these are Elite schools for the Elite. they call it the old boys network in Britain ( jobs for the boys ) I'll scrath your back if you scratch mine, these people get all the top jobs and influence Politics, media, Judicial etc, and have acces to the higher levels of Freemasonry and other societies, MI6 intelligence agencies, psyops, Culture creators, and some are power hungry psychopathic types. EDIT Eugenics enthusiasts, psychiatry, psychology, the list goes on and on etc.

[quickening666]

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Nothing against educated people being one myself ( brags lol ) They don't teach you much at school though ( that's a tip ):cool:
And not anyone just that many look down at the lower classes and the Master slave scripts played out thoughout time. Maybe it's the Irish in me, or is it the German or the Jew...

Oxford etc...these are Elite schools for the Elite. they call it the old boys network in Britain ( jobs for the boys ) I'll scrath your back if you scratch mine, these people get all the top jobs and influence Politics, media, Judicial etc, and have acces to the higher levels of Freemasonry and other societies, MI6 intelligence agencies, psyops, Culture creators, and some are power hungry psychopathic types. EDIT Eugenics enthusiasts, psychiatry, psychology, the list goes on and on etc.

Can't disagree with any of that. I know a lot of useless shit but I still can't change a plug. No joke :p

[eternal_spirit]

This is the problem, everything in the above paragraph is based on absolutely nothing except your own speculation. What book?
Can't disagree with any of that. I know a lot of useless shit but I still can't change a plug. No joke :p


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Yes, but a possible theory.It was many years ago and can't recall the title and just scroogled ( books by Imado Crowley ) No luck, but I did get it form a local Library, was amongst the occult section. I've read that many books I have problems with titles same with films too. I feel like an old PC at times lacking in memory.:eek:

LOL There's people with PHD's can't change a plug.
If you can apply or make practical use of your education then it can't all be bad.
EDIT - http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm

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[eternal_spirit]

For all his alleged powers as a Guru and Magician, he spent his last years, flat broke as a pathetic heroin/opium addict. Placing curses on a doctor to give him prescriptions.

There are some who have claimed to be Crowley reincarnated, one a woman who was head of some OTO type spin off group, who Charles Manson was involved with, think it was named the Solar Lodge....

[quickening666]

Placing curses on a doctor to give him prescriptions.


The way you worded that made me laugh :D

Yeah his demise was miserable which does put a dampner on things.

[tb303]

The bottom line is whether Crowley was a good bloke or a decent chap or not, ya know STS or STO.

Seems to me he was highly intelligent with an ego to match and shortly after disappearing up his magick powered backside became a useful tool for the high black occultists who are rarely discussed in public and certainly don't make the cover of Sgt Pepper's.

[eternal_spirit]

The bottom line is whether Crowley was a good bloke or a decent chap or not, ya know STS or STO.

Seems to me he was highly intelligent with an ego to match and shortly after disappearing up his magick powered backside became a useful tool for the high black occultists who are rarely discussed in public and certainly don't make the cover of Sgt Pepper's.
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STS or STO :confused:
high black occultists
Who like...unkown names and faces?

[eternal_spirit]

Wizard of Aiwass/Aiwaz/Oz Part II (http://synkronos23.vox.com/library/post/wizard-of-aiwassaiwazoz-part-ii.html)






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In this section, I want to go into Aleister Crowley's connection with "superhuman,"preter-human intelligence, or life forms. I noticed a fair amount of resemblance between all these entities with the green and smokey alien-looking entity in The Wizard of Oz and the first picture below. These pictures are what sparked the idea of this article. This illustration below on the left was created by Crowley. In January throughout March of 1918, Crowley began invoking this entity repeatedly through a series of magickal rituals called the Amalantrah workings in Central Park West, New York City.

Using sexual/tantric & ceremonial magick with the intent to invoke certain "intelligences" to physical manifestation. Usually these type of workings involved a scryer, his partner or receptive seer or vessel of communications for the workings was his acting Scarlet Woman, Roddie Minor. Under the influence of hashish and opium she described to Crowley a series of archetypal visions involving (among others) a king, a small boy and a wizard who introduced himself as "Amalantrah"--who delivered exhortations to "find the egg ."

The idea of these workings was to create an inter-dimensional gateway or portal, or to rent a fabric of time and space. These workings manifested in a series of visions. This alone creates a few synchronicities tied inside of this working itself. When Einstein and Tesla idea are used in the Montauk or Rainbow Project, they use an inter-dimensional space pod or egg to conduct the experiments. The first model for Columbus' egg was introduced in 1893 at the World's Fair in Chicago along with electric lights by Tesla. This egg is modeled after the explorer Christopher Columbus' Egghttp://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.26/t.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_of_Columbus) or the Egyptian Egg of Isishttp://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.26/t.gif (http://www.goines.net/Writing/venus.html). The small boy and the wizard of her visions parallel Dorothy in search of the Wizard of the Wizard of Oz. In magical terms it is possible to identify Lam with the Dwarf Self, the Silent Self, Harpocrates, Hadit, and perhaps most significantly, the Babe In The Egg. Here I quote from Michael Staley's forward to The Lam Statement http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.26/t.gif (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/lam-stat.htm)in Starfire vol. 1 no. 3:

~"The Amalantrah is in many ways a continuation of the Abuldiz Working of several years previous. In both of these Workings the symbolism of the egg featured prominently. One of the earlier versions of the Amalantrah Workinghttp://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.26/t.gif (http://www.hollyfeld.org/Esoteric/Text/Magick/Crowley/097amalantrah.txt) ended with the sentence, 'It's all in the egg.' During the final surviving version of this Working, in reference to a question about the egg, Crowley was told: 'Thou art to go this way.' I can't help seeing in Roddie Minor's channeled references to "the egg" a parallel with various issues relating to UFO research in general. Egg-shaped UFOs are of course by no means uncommon. There are dozens of examples on file. The famous Soccoro, New Mexico case (April 24, 1964) springs readily to mind. So too do the Salem, Massachusetts (July 16, 1952), Saigon, Vietnam (April 17, 1967), Levelland, Texas (November 3, 1967), and White Sands, New Mexico (also November 3, 1967) sightings. Crowley maintained the picture below is a still-life portrait, meaning drawn from real life. This entity either called itself "Lam," or was named "Lam" by Crowley. Either way, he considered it to be of inter-dimensional origin, which was the term then for extraterrestrial. In communications with Lam, the symbolism of the egg featured prominently. The second picture is a composite sketch by Ann Direnger of http://a1.vox.com/6a00d41421d6336a4700d09e68a739be2b-200pi (http://synkronos23.vox.com/library/photo/6a00d41421d6336a4700d09e68a739be2b.html)
LAM (http://synkronos23.vox.com/library/photo/6a00d41421d6336a4700d09e68a739be2b.html)





an "alien" type reported throughout 1980's in the Hudson Valley. http://a5.vox.com/6a00d41421d6336a4700d4142e55d5685e-200pi (http://synkronos23.vox.com/library/photo/6a00d41421d6336a4700d4142e55d5685e.html)
Grey (http://synkronos23.vox.com/library/photo/6a00d41421d6336a4700d4142e55d5685e.html)





Crowley included the portrait of Lam in his Dead Souls exhibition held in Greenwich Village, New York, in 1919. In that same year it was published as a frontispiece labeled The Way to Crowley's commentary to Blavatsky's The Voice of the Silencehttp://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.26/t.gif (http://www.occultresource.com/pdfs/liber71.pdf). Beneath the picture was the following inscription: "LAM is the Tibetan word for Way or Path, and LAMA is He who Goeth, the specific title of the Gods of Egypt, the Treader of the Path, in Buddhistic phraseology. Its numerical value is 71, the number of this book." The predecessors of Crowley such as Mr. Scientology- L.Ron Hubbardhttp://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.26/t.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard), N.A.S.A.'s Rocket man-Jack Whiteside Parsons (http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/132_parsons.shtml)


read more here
http://synkronos23.vox.com/library/posts/tags/wizard+of+oz/

http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.26/t.gif (http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/132_parsons.shtml)

[eternal_spirit]

Aiwaz The Dark Messenger of OZ:
In August of 1903, Crowley married Rose Kelly , the original Scarlet Woman, after meeting in Paris. While on extended honeymoon in Sri Lanka, Rose was attacked by a bat and later in the night she seemed to have become possessed by a spirit. Crowley awakened by a squealing bat, Rose Completely naked, clinging with her arms and legs to a wooden frame that supported the mosquito net over their bed. As he pulled her down she bit and squealed like a bat and had to be shaken awake. They found out she was pregnant with their first child and decided to return home to England. In route, they stopped in Cairo Egypt. In Cairo, Crowley attempted a series of invocations to summon up elementals or demons. Rose seemed as though she had been "possessed" by an outside source. She kept repeating "You have offended Horus". Rose was the one who introduced Crowley to the preter-human intelligence, Aiwass. Through Rose, Aiwass told Crowley that he was to go into his workroom at precisely mid-day on April 8-10 of 1904, and write down what he heard for the next hour. The Book of the Law or Liber Al Vel Legis - meaning divinely revealed Book of the Law or Liber Al for short,came into existence. It was not until 1913 that it would be published, just 9 months before the Balkan War According to Crowley, (later to be renamed World War I).

" ’The Law of Thelema’ [ie, Liber AL], revealed in Cairo in 1904, has come to replace the outworn creeds, the local codes; to help the peoples of the world march on to a new era of peace and happiness." Thus Crowley becomes a medium and ’false prophet’ within the context of James 4:5:http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.26/t.gif (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+4-5) "They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world’s viewpoint; and the world listens to them."Crowley preached the New Aeon of Horus, the "new era of peace and happiness," but the path to this "new era" would necessarily be bathed in blood. A moment’s reflection on the course of the twentieth century confirms that the revolutionary and violent prophecies contained within The Book of the Law have been fulfilled, and there are other events yet to occur.



I will explain more synchronistic parallels between Aiwass and Oz and the events since the Book of the Law and how they inter-relate with Crowley and the Book of the Law, Alien entities and its weird correlation with Frank Baum's Wizard of OZ.

[kweli]

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The times Crowley lived in the majority of people where not prudes and not easily shocked ( think about the age of sexual consent that was much younger and prostitution was rife ) Opium and marijuana was maybe legal ? They had the mini skirt Jazz music.

There may have been a small minority of analy retentive types, puritans, middle upper classes, but I think it's a skewed, innacurate version of accounts what they teach at school and in the History books...



Very true! You make some very good points here ES, to think that folk were of a more innocent and pure nature back then, is naive to say the least.

[damagedbrainn]

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The times Crowley lived in the majority of people where not prudes and not easily shocked ( think about the age of sexual consent that was much younger and prostitution was rife )

Learn some history, for god's sake.

Opium and marijuana was maybe legal ?

Yes, and drugs such as opium and heroin were prescribed as medicine by doctors, which is how Crowley became addicted to it.

There may have been a small minority of analy retentive types, puritans, middle upper classes, but I think it's a skewed, innacurate version of accounts what they teach at school and in the History books...

They were a majority then...You just believe that the history books are wrong simply because it doesn't fit what you want to believe.

Yes, he was an Elite bloodline High ranked Freemason schooled at Oxford, an upper class TWAT, on a fasle superiority power trip, wanting to be head of his New Religion and so many other orders/groups that he was involved in.

The fact that you apparently believe that your word is proof enough indicates that you're on a power trip of your own.

The masses where just dumb lesser humans too him, plus he got a rise out of shocking and upsetting others ( all the signs where there for a psychopath or sociopath in the making and a huge ego trip IMO.

Shocking idiots is entertaining. Anyone who disagrees is most likely one of those idiots who are easily shocked. As far as the "masses" are concerned, Crowley wrote with the intention of revealing to the masses what was previously held as secret.

His followers laid claim that he written around a 100 books. So, there can't be many that have read all of them, that means there must be millions of seriously confused and deluded people if what you said is correct "The thing with Crowley is that to really understand one of his works you really need to have read them all":eek:

He didn't write 100's of books, and it would be swell to see you give a single example of any of his "followers" claiming that he did. He wrote hundreds of articles and "Libris", most of which were far too short to be considered books. And several works attributed to him were actually revisions, commentaries, or extensions of works by others.


Maybe he was sexually abused by some dodgy clergymen via black magic sex rituals, Satanic ritual abuse ( SRA as it's now known in modern day terms ) to be programmed to have multiple personality disorder,in order for him to go forth and spread his ideas, he himself may have been a pawn and his masters where writing this puppets scripts. I read a book by a man who claims to be one of Crowley's sons "Imado" and he did write some about abuse ( although can't remember who was abused he or Crowley )

You don't know if they are facts or fiction, which is the same for anyone you read about in books etc.

Maybe this....maybe that...maybe anything. If all you have is a series of baseless "mabye's" to support your claims, then those claims are weak and obviously biased and subjective.

[eternal_spirit]

Learn some history, for god's sake.



Yes, and drugs such as opium and heroin were prescribed as medicine by doctors, which is how Crowley became addicted to it.



They were a majority then...You just believe that the history books are wrong simply because it doesn't fit what you want to believe.



The fact that you apparently believe that your word is proof enough indicates that you're on a power trip of your own.



Shocking idiots is entertaining. Anyone who disagrees is most likely one of those idiots who are easily shocked. As far as the "masses" are concerned, Crowley wrote with the intention of revealing to the masses what was previously held as secret.



He didn't write 100's of books, and it would be swell to see you give a single example of any of his "followers" claiming that he did. He wrote hundreds of articles and "Libris", most of which were far too short to be considered books. And several works attributed to him were actually revisions, commentaries, or extensions of works by others.




Maybe this....maybe that...maybe anything. If all you have is a series of baseless "mabye's" to support your claims, then those claims are weak and obviously biased and subjective.

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LOL you blame the doctors for Crowley's addcition, he advocated drugs and used some in rituals:rolleyes: Who do you think shipped in the opium
to Britain, The British East India Company ( asset and part of of the intelligence agencies, Crowley's brothers ffs! Freemasonic )


Like your views on Crowley you're very selective about what you believe.

Powertrip me lol good one, and no it's to do with facts about the class system and he was educated at Oxford. You're grasping at straws to try win the debate IMO, you know I'm right on this particular point.


I see you've been infected with an elitist superiority complex, or where you born this way?



And that last point symantics books texts same thing. Would it add up too 100?


how many of these books have you read?
which one would you like to analyze?
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/cr.jpg

Here's a large amount king claimed to have read, he was against Crowley and could see the bigger picture like me ( which some of you are still blind too)

Sexual abuse and torture via rituals is a common theme, so to deny it as possible is naive.

[damagedbrainn]

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LOL you blame the doctors for Crowley's addcition, he advocated drugs and used some in rituals:rolleyes:

I wouldn't say that I blame the doctors for his addiction, but rather that opium and heroin addiction was not uncommon then due to its being prescribed....not to dissimilar to how people today become addicted to painkillers. Crowley certainly did experiment with a lot of drugs, though the only other which he seemed to develop any addiction towards would have been cocaine, which he frequently used to counteract the effects of the opium. (You can read about that in Crowley's Fountains of Hyacinth.)

This is only a big deal if you consider drugs and drug addicts to be inherently evil, which I do not.

Who do you think shipped in the opium
to Britain, The British East India Company ( asset and part of of the intelligence agencies, Crowley's brothers ffs! Freemasonic )

So Crowley is now suddenly connected to the East India Company as well because he used opium? A very weak and absurd connection...grasping at straws.

First of all, the East India Company dealt with trade in the East (India, China, etc...) which is why it was called the "East India Company", genius. Secondly, the East India Company was dissolved in 1874, a year before Crowley was even born.


Like your views on Crowley you're very selective about what you believe.

Everyone is. It's impossible to believe everything all at once. The only difference is in the standards by which we make such selections.

Powertrip me lol good one, and no it's to do with facts about the class system and he was educated at Oxford. You're grasping at straws to try win the debate IMO, you know I'm right on this particular point.

Thousands of students attend Oxford University every year....I seriously doubt that they are all members of the Illuminati.

And that last point symantics books texts same thing. Would it add up too 100?

how many of these books have you read?
which one would you like to analyze?

That's friggin' absurd. I'm pretty sure that anyone with half a brain would be able to understand that a text, essay, or article is not the same thing as a book, and you're taking a huge stretch of illiteracy by even suggesting such a thing.

In Crowley's lifetime, most of his Libris and essays were compiled and published as a series of books known as The Equinox. After his death, his works have been recompiled into several different books, some of which share the same material (simple example: The Book of the Law is published as a separate book, but is also contained in a volume of The Equinox, as well as the Holy Books of Thelema)...and most of his poetry and other essays were published as The Collected Works of Aleister Crowley in three volumes (books).

But even taking into account each individual book that has been published, including his books of poetry....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_of_Aleister_Crowley

....it only amounts to 62, which is hardly a hundred, let alone "hundreds". Considering the amount of material which is "re-published" in those various books, one could easily read them all within at least a year, possibly less. Though that doesn't mean you would understand them all, since several of them are not the type of books you just read, but rather study. And you also need a basic understanding of the various forms of religion and mysticism that Crowley deals with in them.

Here's a large amount king claimed to have read, he was against Crowley and could see the bigger picture like me ( which some of you are still blind too)

Sexual abuse and torture via rituals is a common theme, so to deny it as possible is naive.

To deny such a possibility is naive, and to assume that a person who practices anything ritualistic must be involved in sexual abuse and torture is equally naive. It would be like reading about the sexual molestation cases in various denominations of Christianity and then assuming that everyone who is involved in Christianity molests children.

[damagedbrainn]

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Powertrip me lol good one, and no it's to do with facts about the class system and he was educated at Oxford.

....And as it turns out, Crowley did NOT attend Oxford anyway. He attended Trinity College in Cambridge.

http://oto-usa.org/crowley.html

or take your pick

http://www.google.com/search?q=aleister+crowley+trinity+college&hl=en&start=0&sa=N

[damagedbrainn]

Since the other thread was closed, I'll respond to the misconceptions that Crowley was "enlightened" when it came to women. While he may have been so concerning social and political matters concerning women, his spiritual view of women was far from progressive...rather, quite old and traditional in its blatant ignorance even when placed within the context of his times.

In a nutshell, he basically believed that a woman was a "soulless", incomplete man, inherently at a lower spiritual level to man. True he said that "Every man and woman is a star", but he later added in his commentary on The Book Of the Law:

http://www.hermetic.com/220/crowley-comments.html

"A male star is built up from the centre outwards, a female star from the circumference inwards. This is what is meant when we say that woman has no soul. It explains fully the difference between the sexes."

Translation: A woman "evolves" into a man, a statement which designates women as a lesser species to men. A belief clearly taken from quite outdated interpretations of the supernal triad of the Qabalist Tree of Life, the I Ching, Gnosticism (such as the last lines of the Gospel of Thomas), Solar/Lunar polarity, and even old "science" concerning the mechanics of reproduction.

This point is reinforced by the 9th degree Libri of the O.T.O., Liber Agape:

"From this duplicity of speech hath sprung infinite confusion in the vulgar mind. For they understand not that man is the guardian of the Life of God; woman but a temporary expedient; a shrine indeed for the God, but not the God. Thus do they blaspheme who worship the false Trinity of Father-Mother-Son: blind mouths that gape poison, let them perish in the Day of Be-with-Us.

Moreover, the Holy Spirit is the Unity in the Trinity; for the Father and the Son are indeed guardians of the Quintessence, heirs to the Quintessence, of the substance of the Quintessence, but they are not the Quintessence itself. And this is of the Godhead; but in Earth it is the Son that combineth Father and Spirit as it were Man and Woman, God and Man.

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"Now since He is all, and all things are referred to Him, much confusion hath arisen, the Many overwhelming The One.
And herein is the reason whereof: and every woman is not a complete image of God in due proportion.
Consider these words attentively, and understand what they say not.
Our brethren in China, to confirm a bargain, break the stick on which it is written, each party keeping half, so that only on the fitting together of the two halves can the covenant be complete. So also is the Kingdom of Heaven."

For a general discussion of Crowley's views on women (and a rather long one at that), read here:

http://arcane-archive.org/faqs/crowleysexistfaq.php#sexist

[eternal_spirit]

Walter Duranty. As the New York Times' chief correspondent in Moscow, Duranty established his reputation as the world's leading newsman while covering the rise of Josef Stalin. His later coverage of Stalin's First Five Year Plan garnered a Pulitzer Prize. During the same period, though, Stalin's brutal regime was carrying out a terrifying genocide.

In the early 1930s, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocent victims were deported to Siberia's uninhabitable hinterlands and abandoned to their fates. Millions more, possibly 10 million, starved to death in their ancestral homeland, surrounded by fertile land that once served as the breadbasket of Europe. In a scandalous infamy far worse than the Blair episode, Walter Duranty, in the pages of the New York Times, said the genocide didn't happen--even though he and the Times knew that it did. For both Duranty and the Times, casting Stalin's "workers' paradise" in a favorable light was more important than telling the truth that the Soviet government was murdering millions of innocents.

Thanks to much hard and thankless work by Ukrainians and others around the world, the truth about the terrible genocide in the Ukraine has gradually become known to a wider circle. Now, not only has the Times begun distancing itself somewhat from the work of Walter Duranty, but the Pulitzer board is reviewing the case with an eye toward the unprecedented revocation of Duranty's Pulitzer Prize. As the sordid tale of Duranty's career in Moscow illustrates, such a move is long overdue.

The Devil and Duranty

Walter Duranty was born in late Victorian England to a family of some wealth. He attended, for the most part, the finest schools, first at Harrow as a boy, and later moving on to Cambridge. Despite possessing a fine mind and academic capability, Duranty ended his higher education prematurely, preferring instead a more exciting life as a poor vagabond frequently journeying between New York and Paris. That he was tapping into the seedy underground world of both cities can be inferred from the fact that during this time he met and befriended Aleister Crowley.

Crowley believed himself to be the Anti-Christ and called himself "Beast 666." He devoted himself to studying the occult and practicing Satanic magic, but, by the end of the first decade of the 20th century, had fallen into a funk. No longer sure of himself, he was on the verge of giving up his life-long quest for evil. It was then that Crowley met Duranty. The new relationship invigorated Crowley, who recovered from his depression and rededicated himself to a life of depravity.

The two men became friends and partners, sharing an interest in the occult, in drugs, some reports say lovers. Duranty would seem to have been a useful idiot or a knowing accomplice in covering up the Bolshevik Jew run massacres and forced famines.

More anti-christ doings


The Role of the Jews in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Genocidal Killing of 65,000,000 Christians by the Jewish Leaders in the USSR (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR-Jewish-Bolshevism-Jewish%20Role.html)
Jewish Bolsheviks & Their Roles Listed in Let My People Go, Empirical Publications, 1976. (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR-Jewish-Bolshevism-Bolsheviks.html)
Jews Led Red Revolution - By The Numbers (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR-revolution.html)
Jewish Bolsheviks Played Major Role in the USSR, Says www.answer.com (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR-jewish-bolsheviks-answer.com.html)
Rabbi Yissocher Frand's Admission of Jewish Communist Connections (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR.html#anchor194710)

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-3164967_ITM


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[eternal_spirit]

....And as it turns out, Crowley did NOT attend Oxford anyway. He attended Trinity College in Cambridge.

http://oto-usa.org/crowley.html

or take your pick

http://www.google.com/search?q=aleister+crowley+trinity+college&hl=en&start=0&sa=N

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No biggy both are breeding grounds for the Elite

[eternal_spirit]

The topic of hostility towards women in religion and occultism has scarcely been touched on in studies of these subjects. However, it is a symptom of such attitudes that even the hedonistic prophet of the "New Æon" Aleister Crowley, and his quasi-counterpart the ascetic Arnoldo Krumm-Heller (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/frat.htm), adhered to certain forms of misogyny in both theory and practice; attitudes which are still present in those who proclaim their ideas of a new humanity. The reader should ideally be familiar with The O.T.O. Phenomenon, or the authors' articles, before reading the following excursus on the practices and psychology of the various O.T.O. groups (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/intro.htm). In the disguised O.T.O. lodge that calls itself Fraternitas Saturni (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/saturn.htm) (FS), there is a misogynistic agenda, to which the FS's founder Eugen Grosche (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fs1.htm) gave blatant voice. Only a few of many examples need be quoted here:
"The Female Being is the enemy and the opposer of Man from the very Beginning." "Certainly not every cow is a beast of prey, and not every Female Animal a demonic being." The purpose of marriage is "to domesticate man." What can Man do against it? "In marriage the will of Man must be dominant." "The influence on Man of the pure sexual urge for females will be defeated in time through the self-conscious spiritualization of Woman."
Under his pseudonym of Gregor A. Gregorius, Grosche defined his view of women's rôle clearly: "To be a lover who only satisfies all sexual and erotic desires of man." Nonetheless, the FS was - and still is - described as a "unique and recognised magical Lodge" which "nevertheless admits women," though the female members are only qualified "as help-meets for experimental magic, and in the cult of the sexual Mysteries." Hence the men in the FS used "consciously created sexual dependance" to achieve their aims.
Grosche's successors have continued this doctrine: Karl Wedler (or 'Giovanni') and his protegé Guido Wolther ('Daniel') have on the one hand declared that "homosexuals and pederasts must be rejected as sex-magical monstrosities" - yet on the other hand proclaimed that the ruling spirit of the present æon is the "Dæmon of torture and adultery" worshipped with "grains of incense steeped in semen and human blood; he follows the Dæmon of Lies, of Sodomy and Homosexuality, the Dæmon of Lewdness and Orgies." This is indicated by certain magical symbols, which are said to confer "immediate power with respect to sex on both men and women." Wedler gave his "brother and friend" Wolther a manuscript entitled 'The Devil's Elixirs', which contained recipes for poisoning enemies, inflicting deadly ailments, driving people insane, and so on ad nauseam.
Having come upon the dogma propounded by his FS predecessors, Dieter Heikaus ('Set Horus') elected to cathartically reveal their ideas to the outside world - a risky process that he hoped would set these "great magicians" up as magical idols once more. He decided that his Ordo Saturni, and more particularly its internal 'Pentalpha' group (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/pent.htm), could perform "the sex-magical operations of the old FS".


http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/fs2.htm (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/fs2.htm)

Some more from a previous post about views on females.

[thirdwave]

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No biggy both are breeding grounds for the Elite


Do you think every single Freemason and every single person in secret societies are evil?

[thirdwave]

Some more from a previous post about views on females.

Crowley got kicks from being dominated and abused by confident independent women ...

If he had so little respect for them, then why would such a thing press his buttons?

the reports on how Crowley dissed women probably came from his slapping their backside in the hall way!.

Very Wicked!

[eternal_spirit]

Do you think every single Freemason and every single person in secret societies are evil?
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No my uncle was a Grand Master or Master Mason among other things. Nice guy.

[thirdwave]

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No my uncle was a Grand Master or Master Mason among other things. Nice guy.

why was he good?

[thirdwave]

more on how Crowley looked down on women...

(granted these are not actually Crowley's words as it was meant to be an entity channelled through him speaking..)


15. Now ye shall know that the chosen priest & apostle of infinite space is the prince-priest the Beast; and in his woman called the Scarlet Woman is all power given. They shall gather my children into their fold: they shall bring the glory of the stars into the hearts of men.

16. For he is ever a sun, and she a moon. But to him is the winged secret flame, and to her the stooping starlight.

33. Then the priest fell into a deep trance or swoon, & said unto the Queen of Heaven; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law!

– The Book Of The Law

[amethyst]

menstrual blood and look at the other ingredients jeez
http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/elixir.jpg

oops

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=339516&postcount=71


Are those real ES? If so, that is just G. R. O. S. S.!!!!!!

Anyone thinking they can find "enlightenment" in this stuff really is cukoo!!!!!

Honestly, Crowley didn't look all that emotionally "stable" to me in pictures...he has like a manic look to him...too many of those cookies I suppose :eek:

[eternal_spirit]

Are those real ES? If so, that is just G. R. O. S. S.!!!!!!

Anyone thinking they can find "enlightenment" in this stuff really is cukoo!!!!!

Honestly, Crowley didn't look all that emotionally "stable" to me in pictures...he has like a manic look to him...too many of those cookies I suppose :eek:

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The link and pic is taken from a huge site about OTO. And yes it's well documented apparantly the writings about the consumption of such substances during rituals.

[thirdwave]

Are those real ES? If so, that is just G. R. O. S. S.!!!!!!

Anyone thinking they can find "enlightenment" in this stuff really is cukoo!!!!!

Honestly, Crowley didn't look all that emotionally "stable" to me in pictures...he has like a manic look to him...too many of those cookies I suppose :eek:

LOL, what on earth do these biscuits got to do with Crowley !

Do you you also believe that his voice sounded like a British Dracula like the documentary's make out as well..

there are other pics about... http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/bl_crowley.htm



http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/B/b/1/crowley8.jpg

http://www.morticom.com/humansaleistercrowleyphotograph4.jpg

http://albion.oto.org.uk/albion_oto_rogues/rogues_images/aleister_crowley_3.jpg

http://www128.pair.com/r3d4k7/ACrowleyBuddhist.jpg

[amethyst]

LOL, what on earth do these biscuits got to do with Crowley !

Do you you also believe that his voice sounded like a British Dracula like the documentary's make out as well..

there are other pics about...
http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/B/b/1/crowley8.jpg



http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/B/b/1/crowley8.jpg&imgrefurl=http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/bl_crowley.htm&h=450&w=320&sz=19&hl=en&start=107&um=1&tbnid=9AL4DJ3t0_hDGM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcrowley%2Bphotos%26start%3D90%26ndsp% 3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN
http://www.morticom.com/humansaleistercrowleyphotograph4.jpg

http://albion.oto.org.uk/albion_oto_rogues/rogues_images/aleister_crowley_3.jpg

http://www128.pair.com/r3d4k7/ACrowleyBuddhist.jpg

Well, TW,he looks normal in those pictures you posted, but in other pictures posted earlier in this thread, he has a really crazed look....I'm wondering if he was possessed at those times..... and those crazed pictures just might have been taken when he was under possession.

[eternal_spirit]

Doh I got the spelling wrong in a previous post I though it was Imado, when it's Amado

http://www.lecturelist.org/content/view_lecture/4431

Interesting address though as mentioned before Tavistock in a previous post
Venue:

Treadwell's Books
34 Tavistock Street
Covent Garden
London
WC2E 7PB
0207 240 8906
http://www.treadwells-london.com/

There's some disagreement whether this guys is Crowley's son or not.

[eternal_spirit]

Well, TW,he looks normal in those pictures you posted, but in other pictures posted earlier in this thread, he has a really crazed look....I'm wondering if he was possessed at those times..... and those crazed pictures just might have been taken when he was under possession.

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He looks crazy and possessed in all his pics have another closer look at those TW posted jeez.

[amethyst]

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The link and pic is taken from a huge site about OTO. And yes it's well documented apparantly the writings about the consumption of such substances during rituals.

Shouldn't that tell people how crazy it is then?

Seems apparent to me how much it ties into reptilian type of individuals....only reppie types would have interest in eating weird stuff filled with human yuckiness...I can't even say it, it is just too gross!

[amethyst]

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He looks crazy and possessed in all his pics have another closer look at those TW posted jeez.

The last photo TW posted doesn't look like him but someone else, but the other one's do. Maybe it's his son or something?

[tinmenace]

Sorry if I missed it elsewhere in the thread...but I wanted to ask....

Damagedbrainn, are you an OTO member?

[damagedbrainn]

Shouldn't that tell people how crazy it is then?

Seems apparent to me how much it ties into reptilian type of individuals....only reppie types would have interest in eating weird stuff filled with human yuckiness...I can't even say it, it is just too gross!

I guess that would mean that you're morally opposed to oral sex then.

[amethyst]

I guess that would mean that you're morally opposed to oral sex then.

I won't comment on that :cool:

But bird droppings???????......putting poo in cookies?????

[damagedbrainn]

Sorry if I missed it elsewhere in the thread...but I wanted to ask....

Damagedbrainn, are you an OTO member?




No, I'm not really all that interested in the O.T.O. personally, and I have too many points of disagreement with it and Crowley's "higher" system to be attracted to it (those problems being the role designated for women as well as the emphasis placed almost exclusively on "sex magick").

[amethyst]

Damaged brain, you didn't answer Tinmenace"s question.

[tinmenace]

No, I'm not really all that interested in the O.T.O. personally, and I have too many points of disagreement with it and Crowley's "higher" system to be attracted to it (those problems being the role designated for women as well as the emphasis placed almost exclusively on "sex magick").

Thank you

[amethyst]

O.K. you did.

[damagedbrainn]

I won't comment on that :cool:

But bird droppings???????......putting poo in cookies?????

As far as I know, "poo" is not an ingredient in the "eucharist" of the O.T.O. nor is it a part of the general system (unless it is involved in the 11th degree, which hasn't been made fully public). It was rather something which Crowley himself seemed to be interested in, but not a requirement he placed on his students. However, it does involve semen and either female "lubricant" and/or menstrual blood.

And bird droppings? I have no idea where that came from.

[amethyst]

As far as I know, "poo" is not an ingredient in the "eucharist" of the O.T.O. nor is it a part of the general system (unless it is involved in the 11th degree, which hasn't been made fully public). It was rather something which Crowley himself seemed to be interested in, but not a requirement he placed on his students. However, it does involve semen and either female "lubricant" and/or menstrual blood.

And bird droppings? I have no idea where that came from.

Read the ingredients in those cookies ES posted.

[damagedbrainn]

Read the ingredients in those cookies ES posted.

Those "ingredients" are not accurate, and to me, appear to be a joke or a form of mockery.

The "cakes of light" are only cookies used during the Gnostic Mass, made out of meal/oats and honey. These "cakes" are symbolic representations of the eucharist involved in the higher degrees, which consists of semen and menses. Nothing in the higher degree papers gives any mention of shit, or bird shit, or "abortions", or aliens, etc.... The shit part comes from Crowley's own act of eating his girlfriend's shit, I believe during his time at the Abbey of Thelema. I believe that the "alien" thing comes from the practices supposedly involving extraterrestrials by Kenneth Grant's Typhonian O.T.O. which had little if anything to do with Crowley (the only connection is the ambiguous character of "Lam" which some, including Grant, believe was an alien). I have no idea where the "bird shit" or the "abortions" thing comes from.

[amethyst]

Those "ingredients" are not accurate, and to me, appear to be a joke or a form of mockery.

The "cakes of light" are only cookies used during the Gnostic Mass, made out of meal/oats and honey. These "cakes" are symbolic representations of the eucharist involved in the higher degrees, which consists of semen and menses. Nothing in the higher degree papers gives any mention of shit, or bird shit, or "abortions", or aliens, etc.... The shit part comes from Crowley's own act of eating his girlfriend's shit, I believe during his time at the Abbey of Thelema. I believe that the "alien" thing comes from the practices supposedly involving extraterrestrials by Kenneth Grant's Typhonian O.T.O. which had little if anything to do with Crowley (the only connection is the ambiguous character of "Lam" which some, including Grant, believe was an alien). I have no idea where the "bird shit" or the "abortions" thing comes from.

Well, the highlighted part just shows what a loon he was......why even defend someone like him???? Even if he was misrepresented in some way.

Surely there are better candidates to look up to in some capacity?

How to become "enlightened".....hmmm...eat your girlfriend's poo and little birdie poo....yeah, that's real ""enlightened alright. :rolleyes:

There ARE better ways to arrive at enlightenment.

[thirdwave]

Well, TW,he looks normal in those pictures you posted, but in other pictures posted earlier in this thread, he has a really crazed look....I'm wondering if he was possessed at those times..... and those crazed pictures just might have been taken when he was under possession.


well he was kind of possessed at one stage when he claimed an entity channelled through him... an made him right the words from "the book of the law"

the press like to show the pics of that mug shot when he looks evil as that's how they wanted to portray him.... I think he was likely to also play up to it as he used to do, helped him sell allot of books too!

the thing is Im not saying he was a saint and the salvation of man kind... Im simply saying he is not the person ES is making him out to be..

just because he was a sexual pervert it does not mean he was evil of Satanic... and his point was, although the church would tell people that his perversions would damn him to hell, he knew this was not true.... the only people that can damn us to hell is our selves.

[eternal_spirit]

Those "ingredients" are not accurate, and to me, appear to be a joke or a form of mockery.

The "cakes of light" are only cookies used during the Gnostic Mass, made out of meal/oats and honey. These "cakes" are symbolic representations of the eucharist involved in the higher degrees, which consists of semen and menses. Nothing in the higher degree papers gives any mention of shit, or bird shit, or "abortions", or aliens, etc.... The shit part comes from Crowley's own act of eating his girlfriend's shit, I believe during his time at the Abbey of Thelema. I believe that the "alien" thing comes from the practices supposedly involving extraterrestrials by Kenneth Grant's Typhonian O.T.O. which had little if anything to do with Crowley (the only connection is the ambiguous character of "Lam" which some, including Grant, believe was an alien). I have no idea where the "bird shit" or the "abortions" thing comes from.
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Crowley was bestowed with the highest OTO degrees. Blood drinking vampirism ( he writes about this stuff )


What I'm saying here is a general conscencus
it's all relevant black magic satanism call it what you like.
The aborted fetoues if you know your satanism it's all relevant, they have women they call breeders and their purpose is to make them pregnant during sex rituals then later to abort the babies before they are born, to be eaten or used in some way by the black magician in other rituals. The reptilians ( demons ) some suggest feed off sexual energies and sacrafice, torture rituals etc.

[amethyst]

well he was kind of possessed at one stage when he claimed an entity channelled through him... an made him right the words from "the book of the law"

the press like to show the pics of that mug shot when he looks evil as that's how they wanted to portray him.... I think he was likely to also play up to it as he used to do, helped him sell allot of books too!

the thing is Im not saying he was a saint and the salvation of man kind... Im simply saying he is not the person ES is making him out to be..

just because he was a sexual pervert it does not mean he was evil of Satanic... and his point was, although the church would tell people that his perversions would damn him to hell, he knew this was not true.... the only people that can damn us to hell is our selves.

Want some cookies for dessert, TW?

[thirdwave]

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He looks crazy and possessed in all his pics have another closer look at those TW posted jeez.

LOL, In YOUR opinion.

And I think he was a bit crazy... and one point was possessed... and?

Jesus wasnt?... you got to be a bit crazy to let people smash nails in your hands and feet so you can show people how good you are!

and all that talking to him self... :eek:

The last photo TW posted doesn't look like him but someone else, but the other one's do. Maybe it's his son or something?

It is him.

http://www.richard-kaczynski.com/perdurabo.htm

[B][COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Well, the highlighted part just shows what a loon he was......why even defend someone like him???? Even if he was misrepresented in some way.

the thing is we are not arguing weather he was a pervert of not... that is very clear... in fact he got a kick out of seeing how perverted he could be....

But if people want to do really perverted things together then who are we to tell them they can or cant ?.... I would not go anywhere near a turd, but if a couple want to do it then fine... as long as I don't kiss either of them immediately after! :)

there are many perverts in this world and many of them don't even know what Satanism is....

we are talking about weather all this makes AC a Satanist and a pusher of the NWO and the illuminati agenda.


Surely there are better candidates to look up to in some capacity?
No, why limit who you can learn from?.... why because somone does somthing you would not do should you alienate your self from them? Crowley was not about forcing people to do what he done... nothing of the sort.... NEVER has ne asked people to do what he does.

How to become "enlightened".....hmmm...eat your girlfriend's poo and little birdie poo....yeah, that's real ""enlightened alright. :rolleyes:

Have you tried it?, lol, he never told people that if you eat poo it enlightens you ... he told people that if you do what thought will, it will enlighten you.

and if you further read his teachings, he also makes it clear that you create your world... so if you put out darkness it will come back at you.... after reading his work, it does not appear logical to hurt other people...


There ARE better ways to arrive at enlightenment.
How do you know if you have not tired it all?

[thirdwave]

Want some cookies for dessert, TW?

no thanks, just eaten :)

[amethyst]

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Crowley was bestowed with the highest OTO degrees. Blood drinking vampirism ( he writes about this stuff )


What I'm saying here is a general conscencus
it's all relevant black magic satanism call it what you like.
The aborted fetoues if you know your satanism it's all relevant, they have women they call breeders and their purpose is to make them pregnant during sex rituals then later to abort the babies before they are born, to be eaten or used in some way by the black magician in other rituals. The reptilians ( demons ) some suggest feed off sexual energies and sacrafice, torture rituals etc.

That's just it ES....Icke ties satanism to the reppies and this is an example of what a reppie person or someone possessed by a spirit (maybe a reppie who knows?) does things...reppie like blood and yuck yuck....so do satanists....they are just following what the reptile beings are telling them to do......drink blood and other human stuff......

Makes logical sense to me....Duh, don't get involved in satanism! You might just get possessed by a reppie spirit :eek: It's not rocket science folks!

[thirdwave]

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No my uncle was a Grand Master or Master Mason among other things. Nice guy.




why was he good?


???

[amethyst]

I wonder why I'm not hungry for dinner now:rolleyes:

[thirdwave]

...........................

Crowley was bestowed with the highest OTO degrees. Blood drinking vampirism ( he writes about this stuff )


What I'm saying here is a general conscencus
it's all relevant black magic satanism call it what you like.
The aborted fetoues if you know your satanism it's all relevant, they have women they call breeders and their purpose is to make them pregnant during sex rituals then later to abort the babies before they are born, to be eaten or used in some way by the black magician in other rituals. The reptilians ( demons ) some suggest feed off sexual energies and sacrafice, torture rituals etc.


What you claim he has done and what he has done are two compleatly different things...

now, what is your actual point... all you keep doing is expressing how he does magick and how he was in the OTO and you try to imply that all the things spread about him that he was meant to have done...even though there is no evidence it is true.


So in order to get to the point... what are you saying?

What was Crowley teaching people...? what was dangerous about it...?

why do you think some people are trying to make him out to be an inspiration??
why not make your argument clearer because i don't even know what you are trying to say...

We know half of what you post anyway, and disagree with the conclusions and accusations that cover the other half...

why should people steer clear of Crowley? and why have so many people been inspired by his works and not ended up in any harm??

I hope you answer this properly.

[eternal_spirit]

Allan Hall in Bochum, Germany

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=27&si=682649&issue_id=6828
Daniel Ruda sticks out his tongue in court yesterday after being sentenced to 15 years for the bizarre murder of a friend who was stabbed 66 times and hit with a hammer
TWO German devil-worshippers were sentenced to be detained in secure psychiatric hospitals yesterday for the ritual killing of a man they claimed to have sacrificed to Satan.
Manuela and Daniel Ruda chewed gum, flashed mocking grins and gave the devil's sign of a closed fist with extended thumb and little finger when their month-long trial ended.
The married couple showed the same lack of respect for Doris Hackert, the mother of their 33-year-old victim, and her husband Hermann as they did to the court during the trial. They had poked out their tongues, snarled at the judge and abused journalists and witnesses.
There was uproar in the court when Judge Arno Kersting-Tombroke sentenced Manuela to 13 years in a secure mental facility and Daniel to 15 years, despite the prosecution's request for a maximum security prison.
The judge described them as "deeply disturbed individuals", but believed that psychiatric help rather than prison was what they needed.
The trial produced numerous sordid references to sacrifices, both animal and human, and drew into sharp focus a growing and disturbing interest in the occult in Germany and Britain.
The Rudas had a fascination for the dark side that developed into an obsession with death and ultimately led to the killing of Frank Hackert, an unassuming car parts salesman, on an oak coffin before an altar of skulls.
The occult is growing in Germany with an estimated 6,000 devil worshippers, most of them linked by the Internet.
Manuela, who ran away from school at 16, claimed to have learned vampirism and animal sacrifices at underground clubs in London and Edinburgh. During the trial, Manuela told of filing her teeth down to razor sharpness and of drinking men's blood in exchange for sex.
Manuela, now 23, met Daniel Ruda when he advertised in a heavy metal magazine: "Prince of Darkness seeks vampire who hates everyone and everything."
She married Daniel (27) last June and they killed Mr Hackert the following month.
Manuela said: "We had to kill - we couldn't go to hell unless we did."

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=27&si=682649&issue_id=6828



http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/top_story.html?in_review_id=492039&in_review_text_id=450752
by Keith Poole and Humfrey Hunter

Three men who disarmed a devil-worshipper after he stabbed one boy to death and was attacking another are being honoured today by the police.
Sheikh Salim, Anwar Ali Khan and Simon Weissand intervened as Edward Crowley launched a knife attack on Roberto Pineiro-Villar, 15, as his half brother Diego, 12, lay dying.
Mr Salim, 28, and Mr Khan, 26, wrestled Crowley to the ground and Mr Weissand, 34, helped pin the killer down after running from his flat overlooking the scene in Covent Garden.
Crowley, now 54, a disciple of satanist Aleister Crowley, was jailed for life last February for murdering Diego.
The trio will receive an award from the Metropolitan Police for their courage. The Mayor of Camden, Roger Robinson, will present a certificate of commendation at Camden town hall.
Frank Dobson, MP for Holborn and St Pancras, said: "They risked their lives for the sake of a total stranger. Like many people, I do not know if I would have had the courage to do it, and that is why they really deserve the honour."
Mr Khan and Mr Salim were working as waiters in the Sartaj Balti House when Crowley struck outside on Sunday 7 May, two years ago. Mr Salim told the Evening Standard before receiving the award: "I could not run away, I had to do something.
"At first I saw a man chase someone and grab him. I thought it was a domestic dispute as, from behind, the boy looked a bit like a woman. It looked like he was being punched but I thought that's a funny way to punch someone. The man just wasn't stopping.
"I went over and said, 'That's enough now, leave off.' He tried to stab me but missed. I grabbed him and felt something warm, looked at my sleeve and it was covered in blood. He turned towards me and then Anwar came running, shouting, 'He's got a knife!' and he saved me. We both grabbed him and wrestled him down. The boy was lying there motionless and the other kid was screaming with agony.
"All the time I was thinking if I had got there a minute or two earlier I might have saved both. The best thing was when his mum came and thanked me for saving her son's life. I was speechless. She had lost one son and was thanking me. I just hugged her."
Traumatised by the attack, Mr Salim moved away from London for six months and had counselling. He has never returned to the scene, though he has come back to London and works as a supervisor at a Bayswater restaurant.
Mr Khan, who still works at the Sartaj, said: "I think I did what anyone else would do but I still find it hard knowing so many people just stood and watched. A few weeks after it happened I went abroad just to get away from it. Time does heal it, though."
Foreign exchange broker Mr Weissand said he hoped the award would encourage others to do the same: "If more people are rewarded then more will be encouraged to react."
Crowley, born Henry Alan Bibby, changed his name to that of the infamous satanist. A paranoid schizophrenic, he developed a warped obsession for Diego after befriending the "polite and kind" schoolboy in Phoenix Gardens, Covent Garden.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/top_story.html?in_review_id=492039&in_review_text_id=450752)

[damagedbrainn]

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Crowley was bestowed with the highest OTO degrees. Blood drinking vampirism ( he writes about this stuff )


What I'm saying here is a general conscencus
it's all relevant black magic satanism call it what you like.
The aborted fetoues if you know your satanism it's all relevant, they have women they call breeders and their purpose is to make them pregnant during sex rituals then later to abort the babies before they are born, to be eaten or used in some way by the black magician in other rituals. The reptilians ( demons ) some suggest feed off sexual energies and sacrafice, torture rituals etc.

Crowley wrote about vampirism and apparently believed in it, but not the blood-drinking variety, but the "energy" type. It was one of the various black magick practices which he considered destructive, or at the very least, quite risky and a waste of energy. Those he accused of practicing this vampirism included Mathers, his wife, and Oscar Wilde.

Crowley also believed in human sacrifice, or more specifically, infanticide and cannibalism, which he believed was practiced as another "profane" version of the eucharist....the idea being that a child was concieved through a sexual ritual, then killed, cooked, and eaten as a "sacrament". The groups he accused of practicing this included Hassidic Jews, factions within the Greek Orthodoxy, and the Knights Templar. Some insist that he was speaking "metaphorically", which I guess is possible, but I think it's far more likely that he really believed it, though he provides no evidence at all to back up any of his statements. This belief of his is also the only reason that I can think of behind Crowley publishing the "Homoculous" Liber, which in its own context appears to be completely out of place.

There's also the possibility that Crowley included brief discussions of those things in the upper Libri as "snares", things designed to mislead or trap those who either don't understand the rest of the work or intend to misuse it. I guess in some respects that could be true, but it's not a fully satisfactory answer in my opinion.

Point being: The various conspiracy theories projected onto Crowley involve things which Crowley himself believed as well regarding other groups and individuals, which he usually categorized as the deeds of the "Black Brotherhood".

[damagedbrainn]

That's just it ES....Icke ties satanism to the reppies and this is an example of what a reppie person or someone possessed by a spirit (maybe a reppie who knows?) does things...reppie like blood and yuck yuck....so do satanists....they are just following what the reptile beings are telling them to do......drink blood and other human stuff......

Makes logical sense to me....Duh, don't get involved in satanism! You might just get possessed by a reppie spirit :eek: It's not rocket science folks!

No offense to anyone, but Icke's research into the occult and "satanism" sucks. It's not even necessarily "controversial", "secret', or underground knowledge....it consists primarily of beliefs which were once very mainstream, but have since, for the most part, become outdated relics of our dogmatic Christian past.

[damagedbrainn]

Well, the highlighted part just shows what a loon he was......why even defend someone like him???? Even if he was misrepresented in some way.

Surely there are better candidates to look up to in some capacity?

How to become "enlightened".....hmmm...eat your girlfriend's poo and little birdie poo....yeah, that's real ""enlightened alright. :rolleyes:

There ARE better ways to arrive at enlightenment.

There are definitely other ways to achieve "enlightenment", even by Crowley's own admission...certainly less gross ways....though "better" and "worse" are entirely subjective. I personally find it gross, but to me, gross isn't enough to qualify something as evil or even "wrong". I can even somewhat see Crowley's logic behind it....that logic being the act of dissolving the ego by forcing yourself to do things which the ego finds repulsive...a persistent and consistent degrading and subverting of the personal mores of the ego.

As far as it is concerned sexually, I don't really care. What people get off on is their business, as long as they aren't harming anyone. A lot of seemingly "normal" people are often far more perverse than you'd probably like to believe....everyone's a "heathen" in their imagination.

But yeah, there are other ways and other people....but I feel comfortable in guessing that you would view anyone who has anything to do with the "occult" as being evil, whether they've eaten shit or not. Am I wrong?

[thirdwave]

No offense to anyone, but Icke's research into the occult and "satanism" sucks. It's not even necessarily "controversial", "secret', or underground knowledge....it consists primarily of beliefs which were once very mainstream, but have since, for the most part, become outdated relics of our dogmatic Christian past.

TBH, if Icke did get stuck into Crowley research and started to be complimnetry towards him can you imagine the field day some would have with him!?, they got enough on him as it is...

Its not like the masses are ready for Crowley's views, and i guess in all honesty apart from if you are interested in learning Magick then I guess he has done his part and passed on now anyway, as the world we live in is living in the changed times that he saw anyway..... So I guess its maybe a good thing he has not really got stuck into this as maybe he would not have as bigger outlet for info as he has now... although Crowley is always a great read for those who like to learn more...

[eternal_spirit]

Okay, TW DB, explain how you're going to incorperate what you've learnt in your research about Crowley and put it to use in a practical usefull positive way?

[thirdwave]

Want some cookies for dessert, TW?





imagin you have allways got very turned on by the thought of a guy pooing on you.... (ok im cringing here as well as its not my idea of fun)..

now.... there is nothing you can do about it... you simply have that desire... you dont want to hurt anyone... but you want a nice big poo poo on you .. :(


ok, so I hear about it and start calling you a freak! .... Eeewwwww you are fucked in the head....

FREAK!!!

what are you to do? and you evil?.... should you be cast away?

just because of your inner desires oin how you want to express your self sexually....

say because of this you grown up feeling like a freak... you hate your self because you are so odd and have this stupid desire...

you grow bitter as you get older... and you do not like seeing others free.... in fact so much so that you like stopping others from being free....

Well Crowley would say fuck it... go get a guy and let his crap all over you.... love it!!, sing with happiness and then do it some more!.

Now THAT is enlightenment.

not the shit :)

I think many homosexuals have been there and still are....

[thirdwave]

Okay, TW DB, explain how you're going to incorperate what you've learnt in your research about Crowley and put it to use in a practical usefull positive way?

the thing is... fair is fair... I have asked you a question first, you have ignored it and now ask me ....

it was quite a reasonable question I asked.. if you can answer it properly then I will be only to happy to do the same..

[thirdwave]

here it was



now, what is your actual point... all you keep doing is expressing how he does magick and how he was in the OTO and you try to imply that all the things spread about him that he was meant to have done...even though there is no evidence it is true.


So in order to get to the point... what are you saying?

What was Crowley teaching people...? what was dangerous about it...?

why do you think some people are trying to make him out to be an inspiration??
why not make your argument clearer because i don't even know what you are trying to say...

We know half of what you post anyway, and disagree with the conclusions and accusations that cover the other half...

why should people steer clear of Crowley? and why have so many people been inspired by his works and not ended up in any harm??

I hope you answer this properly.

[montag]

Well Crowley would say fuck it... go get a guy and let his crap all over you.... love it!!, sing with happiness and then do it some more!.

Now THAT is enlightenment.


That sounds more like possession than enlightenment.

Having the desire to be defecated on to me shows that you are no longer in control of your own soul but are now in the hands of some very dark and demonic entity.

[thirdwave]

That sounds more like possession than enlightenment.

Having the desire to be defecated on to me shows that you are no longer in control of your own soul but are now in the hands of some very dark and demonic entity.


The thing is, this is not a perfect society and its not a natural human environment... we are slaves and we are penned tagged and sent into the pen....

So it is perfectly natural for some people to develop strange and even disgusting desires.... emotions are very prefound things in this world.

Ok, So if we were to picture us in the perfect habitat then yes I guess we would not have such desires.... but we are. and while you have these desires then one should be free to exercise them.... without a group or system judging them and trying to control them.

If you got an itch then scratch it, or it will drive you crazy.

Now, Crowley was obviously extreme, he believed in this stuff to the extreme and thought, "well who is to say where the line is here, who is the one who decides what one should and should not do?" especially as he knew that many of the people who uposed him would have also had deep desires, its just they pushed them aside and did not like to see anyone else be free in front of them...it the same old thing, the stiff old nun curses at the young girls having fun, because she never had any!.

But like anyone who has a message, they are extream...

look at David Icke, what his message is and how very clear and very right it is... people need to look deeper into reality, what's possible.... he is known for being extreme in this but gets the message across to people even if they don't think the queen shape shifts...

you don't have have your lady poo on you to get where he is coming from, and he never said you did.

Also remember in his day Gay people lived in the dark, compleatly trapped and isolated from the world.... people commit suicide because of what they were.

Today for many people its cool to be gay.

that being said I personally think later in his life he may well have been attacked by negative entities (possessed to a point)... the "illuminti" certainly did not take him in their arms, this is why he was booted out of Italy by the wonderfully innocent Mussolini, and ended up dying in a bed sit.

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley's mentor who taught him much, he later fell out with and allegedly had a psychic war both conjuring up demons against one another, Mathers may have been murderd by Crowley. SL MacGregor Mathers (1898) (quoted)
Lucifer: From Latin, Lux, Light, and Fero, to bear, - A Light Bearer. There is a name 'Lucifuge' also employed occasionally, from Lux, Light, and Fugio, to fly from, - He who shuns the Light.

a link on demonology

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/abramelin_chiefs.asp

[eternal_spirit]

oops same link http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/deliri...lin_chiefs.asp (http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/abramelin_chiefs.asp) __________________

Asmodee: Usually written "Asmodeus (http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/articleview.asp?Post=97)," and sometimes "Chashmodai". Derived by some from the Hebrew word "Asamod," to destroy or exterminate; and by others from the Persian verb "Azmonden," = to tempt, to try or prove. Some Rabbins say that Asmodeus was the child of the incest of Tubal-Cain and his sister Naafrfah. Others say that he was the Demon of impurity. Others again relate that he was employed by Solomon in the building of the Temple at Jerusalem; that he then attempted to dethrone Solomon, to put himself in his place; but that the King vanquished him and the Angel Gabriel chased him into Egypt, and there bound him in a Grotto. The Rabbins say that when Asmodeus was working at the building of the Temple, he made use of no metal tool; but instead of a certain stone which cut ordinary stone as a diamond will glass. Servants of Asmodeus (http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/abramelin_asm.asp).

btw tubal cain Freemasonic password Nama Cain his sister was said to have been the demon to introduce cannibalism into this world http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22858&highlight=tubal+cain

[mondo23]

Evolution makes it's changes by anti-socialistic ways. The 'abnormal' man who foresees the trend of the times and adapts circumstance intelligently is laughed at, persecuted, often destroyed by the herd; but he and his heirs, when the crisis comes, are survivors.

- THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

[montag]

If you got an itch then scratch it, or it will drive you crazy.

Now, Crowley was obviously extreme, he believed in this stuff to the extreme and thought, "well who is to say where the line is here, who is the one who decides what one should and should not do?"
Your higher self tells you whats right or wrong, what if you had an itch to rape a child? Should you just scratch it like you were a dog scratching a flea?

I understand the point that your attempting to make, but we are not dogs, we are spiritual beings and scat sex for me way over steps the boundaries of what is good for our soul, it's an extremely low vibrational activity that I believe could only be good for feeding low vibrational demonic entities. I know it goes on a lot and is probably more common than I care to think, but to equate acceptance of this as enlightenment is drawing a very long bow IMO.

[damagedbrainn]

Crowley's mentor who taught him much, he later fell out with and allegedly had a psychic war both conjuring up demons against one another, Mathers may have been murderd by Crowley. SL MacGregor Mathers (1898) (quoted)
Lucifer: From Latin, Lux, Light, and Fero, to bear, - A Light Bearer. There is a name 'Lucifuge' also employed occasionally, from Lux, Light, and Fugio, to fly from, - He who shuns the Light.

a link on demonology

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/abramelin_chiefs.asp

You've already posted that in this same thread.
Why is the information you post so repetitive when you supposedly have "years of research" to tap into?

[damagedbrainn]

You still going on about poo TW, there's more too it than that...menstrual blood and look at the other ingredients jeez
http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/elixir.jpg

You've already posted that too. Numerous times.
How many "years" did you spend discovering that picture?

[thirdwave]

Crowley's mentor who taught him much, he later fell out with and allegedly had a psychic war both conjuring up demons against one another, Mathers may have been murderd by Crowley. SL MacGregor Mathers (1898) (quoted)
Lucifer: From Latin, Lux, Light, and Fero, to bear, - A Light Bearer. There is a name 'Lucifuge' also employed occasionally, from Lux, Light, and Fugio, to fly from, - He who shuns the Light.

a link on demonology

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/abramelin_chiefs.asp

But I am not really interested in what people have to say about what he MAY have done and what APPARENTLY happened.... and what SOME SAY......

that is completely irelivent... in order to understand someone you have to speak to the people that were close to them, after of course reading that persons own works...

The truth was that Mathers was a black magician and Crowley had no time for him... he walked away from him and went alone, Mathers did not take well to this and did not like how Crowley let out so much info.

There is not one shred of evidence that Mathers was murdered.

[thirdwave]

You still going on about poo TW, there's more too it than that...menstrual blood and look at the other ingredients jeez
http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/elixir.jpg



Ok, if you really want to keep posting this pic over and over and keep repeating your self...

Now I don't know anything about these biscuits... looks like a piss take to me and somone is having a giggle.... I have no idea what this has to do with Crowley...

but like I have asked you before with no success which seems to be a trend you have.... you simply do not answer questions you don't have an answer for...

Right... If you are going to post this picture over and over again, can you please present a point along with it...

So I am assuming that you think that because Crowley was known to use women's Poo in sexual activity... that has something to do with poo doing something, having a desired effect from whats in the poo...... hence why bird poo is in these biscuits your have discovered...

Now, what are you saying then..???? , what does the poo do ????

I dont even know what your point is on this thread..for all the links posted Im a bit lost as to where you are coming from...

[damagedbrainn]

That sounds more like possession than enlightenment.

Having the desire to be defecated on to me shows that you are no longer in control of your own soul but are now in the hands of some very dark and demonic entity.

It's easy to understand why someone wouldn't view that as "enlightenment", nor is that entirely inaccurate when viewed as an isolated concept; otherwise, people could just go around shitting on each other, and KABLAM, instant enlightment. Similar to what a particular Tantric Yogi said about sex, paraphrasing: If one could achieve enlightenment by simply having sex with women, then everyone who ever had sex with a woman would already be "enlightened". Fortunately for those with a certain amount of knowledge and common sense, there's a hell of a lot more in the occult, and Crowley, than just shitting. In fact, it's not even a very important part of it, but just something that detractors like to fixate on because it's easier than actually thinking.

Seeing it as evidence of "demonic possession" is puritanical and silly for similar reasons. Not only does it indicate that one gets their "knowledge" about "demons" more from horror movies than anything else, it also "demonizes" a relatively common thing. As I said, it would be absurd to view shit as a sole means of "enlightment" because it would mean that everyone who has ever been involved with shit would be "enlightened"; likewise, it's equally absurd to view things involving shit as evidence of "demonic possession" because that would mean that everyone involved with such "shitty" practices are "possessed". The existence of skat porn and that whole fetish says otherwise. I guess you would conclude that demonic possession is more common in Germany and Japan than anywhere else. Or various indigeneous people who use shit, both animal and human, for any number of things.

And what purification rituals do you undertake after taking a shit in order to protect yourself from the evil energy it contains? Because I doubt that just wiping with toilet paper is enough to eradicate such powerful demons. How do you reconcile the fact that this shit comes from and is produced within your own body? If shit does indeed contain such "negative energy" to either cause possession or appeal to one who is already possessed, then wouldn't that mean that this "negative energy" is already inside of you? I mean, if your shit contains peanuts, then that obviously means you've eaten peanuts. Thus, if your shit contains "negativity", then you obviously have been consuming negativity.

[eternal_spirit]

Truth is it's so obvious too see the anti-christian element involved with Satanism, they fear good pure Christians, because they have power over evil and perversions, they are in control of their own will ( meaning not controlled by demons/possession )hence the Stanists need to curse murder sacrafice, attack Christians and even label anyone who isn't even Christian.....who realizes how sick Crowley and co were.

The demons summoned by satanists are cast out via exorcism by powerfull Christians. This why they try to murder these exorcists and prison them on false charges ( John Todd good example ) And satanists mostly attack out of fear.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=342133#post342133)
Okay, TW DB, explain how you're going to incorperate what you've learnt in your research about Crowley and put it to use in a practical usefull positive way?

[eternal_spirit]

I've seen demons been attacked by them. But they cannot do me harm, I am protected.

[damagedbrainn]

Truth is it's so obvious too see the anti-christian element involved with Satanism, they fear good pure Christians, because they have power over evil and perversions, they are in control of their own will ( meaning not controlled by demons/possession )hence the Stanists need to curse murder sacrafice, attack Christians and even label anyone who isn't even Christian.....who realizes how sick Crowley and co were.

The demons summoned by satanists are cast out via exorcism by powerfull Christians. This why they try to murder these exorcists and prison them on false charges ( John Todd good example ) And satanists mostly attack out of fear.

"I'm not a Christian....I just believe that Christianity is the only way to protect yourself from Satan and his demons!"

In control of their own "will"? Careful, you're starting sound like a Thelemite.

Ironically enough, the O.T.O. performs exorcisms as well.

[damagedbrainn]

I've seen demons been attacked by them. But they cannot do me harm, I am protected.

Protected by what?

[montag]

And what purification rituals do you undertake after taking a shit in order to protect yourself from the evil energy it contains? Because I doubt that just wiping with toilet paper is enough to eradicate such powerful demons. How do you reconcile the fact that this shit comes from and is produced within your own body? If shit does indeed contain such "negative energy" to either cause possession or appeal to one who is already possessed, then wouldn't that mean that this "negative energy" is already inside of you? I mean, if your shit contains peanuts, then that obviously means you've eaten peanuts. Thus, if your shit contains "negativity", then you obviously have been consuming negativity.
Now you're talking shit DB, desiring to be pooed on or wallowing in someones shit is very different to the very natural act of defecation, if the above is the best counter argument you can come up then I'm disappointed, you normally do much better than that.

montag

[damagedbrainn]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=342133#post342133)
Okay, TW DB, explain how you're going to incorperate what you've learnt in your research about Crowley and put it to use in a practical usefull positive way?

A subjective question that demands a subjective (and lame) answer.

You only ask because you would prefer to steer the discussion into a much more personal direction, which I'm really not interested in considering how boringly predictable the responses would be. I know many of you prefer feeling over thinking, but no thanks.

[eternal_spirit]

From The Book of the Law, by Aleister Crowley:

With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross......

There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt. why would he want to do that ?

From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.

does that seem to imply that Crowley not only believed SATAN but he also served him?

Quote:
Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord

doesn't he says here that his Lord is the Devil?

Do you believe there is Satan/Devil/Lucifer?

[damagedbrainn]

Now you're talking shit DB, desiring to be pooed on or wallowing in someones shit is very different to the very natural act of defecation, if the above is the best counter argument you can come up then I'm disappointed, you normally do much better than that.

montag

And you would have a valid point if that were the only paragraph that I had typed. I guess the two paragraphs which proceeded it escaped you.

[damagedbrainn]

From The Book of the Law, by Aleister Crowley:

With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross......

There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt. why would he want to do that ?

From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.

does that seem to imply that Crowley not only believed SATAN but he also served him?

Quote:
Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord

doesn't he says here that his Lord is the Devil?

Do you believe there is Satan/Devil/Lucifer?

You've already posted this as well. Third times a charm. Do you plan on reposting everything which you've already posted at the beginning of this thread?

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=342300#post342300)
Truth is it's so obvious too see the anti-christian element involved with Satanism, they fear good pure Christians, because they have power over evil and perversions, they are in control of their own will ( meaning not controlled by demons/possession )hence the Stanists need to curse murder sacrafice, attack Christians and even label anyone who isn't even Christian.....who realizes how sick Crowley and co were.

The demons summoned by satanists are cast out via exorcism by powerfull Christians. This why they try to murder these exorcists and prison them on false charges ( John Todd good example ) And satanists mostly attack out of fear.


quote: damagedbrainn
"I'm not a Christian....I just believe that Christianity is the only way to protect yourself from Satan and his demons!"

In control of their own "will"? Careful, you're starting sound like a Thelemite.

...................................


I never said that, that's opinion you formed from my comments.

Point proven as is the same on every thread about satanism on this forum. So, you're either a Satanist DB, or inflicted with Crowley's and other Satanists anti-christs ideas.

And I'm certain the Christian version of the Bible isn't the only religion that performs exorcism.

So, shall I label you a satanist, thelemite or a Jew?

Funny how anyone who exposes evils like Crowley is automatically labeled a Christian, usually with personal abuse thrown in, but I'll not accuse you of the latter, in this insatnce.

[montag]

And you would have a valid point if that were the only paragraph that I had typed. I guess the two paragraphs which proceeded it escaped you.
No they were only mildly less pathetic as the quoted text, nor do I have any desire to debate this further with you as it is demeaning not only to both of us but also the other members who have the poor misfortune of reading it.

Later dude..

[eternal_spirit]

You've already posted this as well. Third times a charm. Do you plan on reposting everything which you've already posted at the beginning of this thread?

.............

Show me where two other times?

[thirdwave]

Truth is it's so obvious too see the anti-christian element involved with Satanism

first of all, it seems you know nothing about Satanism.... you see eliments used in it and declare anything that uses similer tools is satanism.... you are a person who genralises things to the point where nothing is ever learnt.

they fear good pure Christians,
No they dont, they laugh at them.

They understand that the religion they practice is not even real..its manipulation .... now, the true eliment of Christ and what it really means ... the christ consiousness, this is what they fear and hate.... and this is the energy they try to keep down.

But of course like anything you get real "Satanists" and "cowboys" who are just thick idiots who are too bored.

because they have power over evil and perversions,
No they dont. they are under the power of the elite.... they have remained static for years and years and dont even know the true meaning of Christ.... THAT is what Satanists what to kill... and have done a GREAT job at it...

of course Crowley was not a Satanist...allthoughn was very anti Christian... not because he feared them.... he mocked them and provoked them as much as he could as it made him laugh at how offeded they got.... they were the ones in fear, not him!

they are in control of their own will ( meaning not controlled by demons/possession )
Again this is not true... they follow the will of a book, not their own....


hence the Stanists need to curse murder sacrafice, attack Christians and even label anyone who isn't even Christian.....who realizes how sick Crowley and co were.

Then why are you not a Christian?

Crowley attacked all religions... he grew up in a christian society of course it was relevant to him... hi mother was a die hard Christian... she was the one who named him "the beast"

The demons summoned by satanists are cast out via exorcism by powerfull Christians. This why they try to murder these exorcists and prison them on false charges ( John Todd good example ) And satanists mostly attack out of fear.

LOL

Hog wash!, there are spiritual heelers who can do this stuff, infact I know somone who has had a negative spirit pulled from inside them by one.... and you dont have to be christian!

that's an arrogant comment.... Christians are arrogant, stubborn mislead robots and they hated crowley for the same reason as many don't like Icke...tsarion... Maxwell... and many others who point out all the holes in their program.

To say that Crowley feared Christians just shows how you really do not have a clue on this subject.

[thirdwave]

Now you're talking shit DB, desiring to be pooed on or wallowing in someones shit is very different to the very natural act of defecation, if the above is the best counter argument you can come up then I'm disappointed, you normally do much better than that.

montag



ok would you make a law that says if 2 people wanted to shit on eachother it would not be allowed?

[montag]

ok would you make a law that says if 2 people wanted to shit on eachother it would not be allowed?
No

[montag]

What people want to do in the privacy of their own home is their business so long as they are doing no harm to others, I just don't see anything enlightening about the experience in fact it's my contention that they are going the other way.

Thats my final word on the subject and I'll leave you guys to continue the discussion without me.

montag

[eternal_spirit]

first of all, it seems you know nothing about Satanism.... you see eliments used in it and declare anything that uses similer tools is satanism.... you are a person who genralises things to the point where nothing is ever learnt.


No they dont, they laugh at them.

They understand that the religion they practice is not even real..its manipulation .... now, the true eliment of Christ and what it really means ... the christ consiousness, this is what they fear and hate.... and this is the energy they try to keep down.

But of course like anything you get real "Satanists" and "cowboys" who are just thick idiots who are too bored.


No they dont. they are under the power of the elite.... they have remained static for years and years and dont even know the true meaning of Christ.... THAT is what Satanists what to kill... and have done a GREAT job at it...



I prove time after time I know much more than you. And you offer very little so, your points are weak.
Evil is evil black magic rituals are evil all connected, like good is good the opposite of evil
I point out the anti-christ elements it's all relevant.

Laugh, heard the one about laughing can be used to disguise fear it's a subconcious reaction forced into a physical action at times They curse them during black Mass, and attack in many ways.

No, they fear Christ and true Christians as a force to be reckoned with, why mock the crucifixion, if they don't think it's real, besides they believe in Satan so therefore they believe in Christ. Christ conciousness is fickle in some instances and there's different meanings to it, the holy spirit and Jesus as a spiritual force of good etc could be one, depending on your beliefs.

Your assuming what other peoples beliefs and meaning are of Christ ( and saying all christians don't know the meaning, which is pure ignorance on your behalf) care to give us what you think the REAL CHRIST IS? Or who KNOWS what the real christ is?

[eternal_spirit]

of course Crowley was not a Satanist...allthoughn was very anti Christian... not because he feared them.... he mocked them and provoked them as much as he could as it made him laugh at how offeded they got.... they were the ones in fear, not him!


Again this is not true... they follow the will of a book, not their own....



Then why are you not a Christian?

Crowley attacked all religions... he grew up in a christian society of course it was relevant to him... hi mother was a die hard Christian... she was the one who named him "the beast"



LOL

Hog wash!, there are spiritual heelers who can do this stuff, infact I know somone who has had a negative spirit pulled from inside them by one.... and you dont have to be christian!

that's an arrogant comment.... Christians are arrogant, stubborn mislead robots and they hated crowley for the same reason as many don't like Icke...tsarion... Maxwell... and many others who point out all the holes in their program.

To say that Crowley feared Christians just shows how you really do not have a clue on this subject.

.................................


LOL From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.

does that seem to imply that Crowley not only believed SATAN but he also served him?

Proves what unenlightened sad man he was, laughing at people's fear, it' known as psychic vampirism feeding off others emotional distress:(
And some would have a right too fear knowing about Satanic mass and cursing and murder, rape of Christians by Satanists. Plus the sick practices he particpated in , pushed and condoned would shock any sane good Buddhist, Jew, etc or anyone with a good moral character.

Missed the point as usual TW... they are in control of their own will ( meaning not controlled by demons/possession )

Any proof that Crowley attacked ALL religions?
So, maybe he didn't like his mother, not a nice guy.

Another common miss conception, and grossly exaggerated that chrsitians are all brainwashed and controlled. Sure some are, like all extremes of religions are.


I never said only christians could perform exorcisms, so I'm not talking hogwash. It was in context of my point about why demonically possessed Satanists fear Christian exorcists! the demons don't want to be exorcised from the possessed host.
Well dont the man who you know who extracted demons.

I've proved my point.

Point proven as is the same on every thread about satanism on this forum. So, you're either a Satanist TW, or inflicted with Crowley's and other Satanists anti-christs ideas, attack Christians or label anyone a Chrsitian who speaks out against evil
Satanists such as AC!

[eternal_spirit]

Cases of satanic murders or human sacrifice from around the world
The Missing Persons Issue Ireland (http://cairhavn.topcities.com/index.htm)

Cases of Satanic sacrifices (human sacrifices) from around the world
The purpose for this web page is to show clearly the extent of human sacrifice around the world!
Contrary to the opinions of police depts in the USA, the UK and Belgium, as examples, human sacrifice in a satanic ritual is no myth! Neither is Satanic Ritual Abuse!
Here are documented cases of murders, which bear all the hallmarks of Satanic sacrifice!
Here is evidence of convictions for satanic murder in the judicial courts of various countries , including Germany , South Africa and even in the USA where the FBI and CIA still claim , inexplicably, that there is no evidence that satanic murder is a reality!


The 1973 murder of Brian McDermott. (http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/BrianMcDermot.htm)
Belfast Telegraph (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=440616)
http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/brdermott.jpg
Brian McDermott -
Brian's murder bears all the signs of a satanic sacrifice!
Dismembered, mutilated and burnt!
New hunt opens for 'grotesque' child killer
Witchcraft not ruled out in killing of boy 30 years ago
05 September 2003
POLICE have not ruled out witchcraft or paedophilia as motives for Northern Ireland's most gruesome child murder, it emerged today.
The Phillip Cairns Case (http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/phillipCairns.htm)
Consider the Phillip Cairns case!




ABCNEWS.com : Laci Abducted by Cult? (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA030523PetersonDefenseTheories.html) http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/ho_laci_scott_030110_nh.jpg
Mutilation, dismemberment and burning - all the signs of a satanic sacrifice!



Irish establishment press mouth-piece -Jim Cussack admits to the reality of Human Sacrifice!i (http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/indo%20-%20cussack.htm)
Muti killing in London - boys boy found dismembered, mutilated.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1899609.stm -- I was forced to kill my baby!
iafrica.com | news | sa news Muti killers 'drank blood from skull' (http://iafrica.com/news/sa/929073.htm)


Matthew Hardman cut out the heart of his 90 year-old neighbour, Mabel Leyshon
http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/_38173256_hardman150.jpg Matthew Hardman
According to most newspaper