Crowley Freemason, Satanist, MI6

[thirdwave]

quote: thirdwave
Only in your world, held up by Jesus...

In your world Im sure you know 1000 times more than me... this thread shows otherwise.

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How many lies do you make up in a day about me.
Okay I'm not going to debate a liar anymore cya.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For a start you don't even know the meaning of the world lie and yet you seem to like to use it!!

In order for somone to lie they must know what the truth is....
I don't know that you are not a christian, I only have your word and I don't trust your word, there for I think you are a christian, ... no lies involved.

I have asked you why you are not one and you ignore me all the time.... So I will just have to make my mind up with what I have got... you are either a christian, or you have been brainwashed by the teachings of Christianity (trying not to laugh)

but if that's your new illusion to make your self feel more in line with your little god pal!, then knock your self out!!

[kweli]

but Crowley or anyone else is not saying that it is enlightening.... everyone is different... for example, I cant tell you what is enlightening for you, nor you me....

Then what the f*ck are you saying in the quote below? You're a walking contradiction man!

imagin you have allways got very turned on by the thought of a guy pooing on you.... (ok im cringing here as well as its not my idea of fun)..

now.... there is nothing you can do about it... you simply have that desire... you dont want to hurt anyone... but you want a nice big poo poo on you .. :(


ok, so I hear about it and start calling you a freak! .... Eeewwwww you are fucked in the head....

FREAK!!!

what are you to do? and you evil?.... should you be cast away?

just because of your inner desires oin how you want to express your self sexually....

say because of this you grown up feeling like a freak... you hate your self because you are so odd and have this stupid desire...

you grow bitter as you get older... and you do not like seeing others free.... in fact so much so that you like stopping others from being free....

Well Crowley would say fuck it... go get a guy and let his crap all over you.... love it!!, sing with happiness and then do it some more!.

Now THAT is enlightenment.not the shit :)

I think many homosexuals have been there and still are....

ok would you make a law that says if 2 people wanted to shit on eachother it would not be allowed?

WTF?!!

[kweli]

quote: thirdwave
Only in your world, held up by Jesus...

In your world Im sure you know 1000 times more than me... this thread shows otherwise.

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How many lies do you make up in a day about me.
Okay I'm not going to debate a liar anymore cya.

That's the very reason I won't debate with him anymore, it's futile. There's loads of threads where I feel I want to contribute, but stay out of it because he's involved. He's a sly one, he resorts to lies because he knows there's nothing the mods will do about that.

[thirdwave]

Then what the f*ck are you saying in the quote below? You're a walking contradiction man!

WTF?!!

its not a contradiction one little bit, its just you don't seem to be able to understand my point...

Crowley tells you to "Do What Thou Wilt" not to do what thee wilt...ok?

this does not mean that if Crowley wants to be shat on he is telling everyone they should be shat on... he is saying... "look, i want to be shat on ...so I am!!" .... what ever you guys want to do.... do it!

Meaning, Do what YOU WANT.

if you dont want to be crapped on then he is not telling you to do it is he?.. because its not what you want to do....

That was the point I made.

Hope that straightens it up for you.

[thirdwave]

That's the very reason I won't debate with him anymore, it's futile. There's loads of threads where I feel I want to contribute, but stay out of it because he's involved. He's a sly one, he resorts to lies because he knows there's nothing the mods will do about that.

I am happy to apologise if you can point out what lie I have said?

[kweli]

I am happy to apologise if you can point out what lie I have said?

Nah, I've already said, I'm not willing to debate with you anymore, I've learned my lesson. You drain peoples energy, bad vibes all around you man. :( Now I'm outta this shitty thread, you can roll around all you want in your Crowley shit!

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thirdwave

I am happy to apologise if you can point out what lie I have said?

quote: thirdwave
Only in your world, held up by Jesus...
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This one that you use in every debate about satanism.

And I've replied on many occasions saying I am not religious nor do I follow any religion or follow Jesus...

If I made out you were a satanist over 100 times and you said you were not then I kept saying yes you are. I think you would say I'm a liar.

[eternal_spirit]

Prior to founding the cult of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard was intimately involved in Satanism and the occult. His mentor, English black magician Aleister Crowley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley), influenced him heavily early in life, which you'll discover as we explore Hubbard's early life and influences.

After Hubbard's military service, he returned to the US and joined with another Satanist, Jack Parsons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons), leader of Ordo Templis Orientis in California. The occult partnership between Hubbard and Parsons grew. In 1946, they carried out a number of Satanic rituals designed to birth the "moonchild," a kind of anti-Christ, an incarnation of "Babylon" in an unborn child. A woman in the house of Parsons' was chosen to be the mother of this satanic child:

In order to obtain a woman prepared to bear this magical child, Parsons and Hubbard engaged in eleven days of rituals.

All this seemed to achieve its desired result and, on January 18th, Parsons found the girl who was prepared to become the mother of Babalon, and to go through the required incantation rituals. During these rituals, which took place on the first three days of March 1946, Parsons was High Priest and had sexual intercourse with the girl, while Hubbard who was present acted as skryer, seer, or clairvoyant and described what was supposed to be happening on the astral plane. [Corydon, p. 256]

Hubbard's Satanism didn't end with Scientology. On the contrary, Hubbard claimed that Scientology began when his Satanist mentor, Aliester Crowley, died in 1947. In an interview, Hubbard made the following statement:

Hubbard: According to him [my father] and my mother, he tried to do it [perform an abortion] with me. I was born at six and a half months and weighed two pounds, two ounces. I mean, I wasn't born: this is what came out as a result of their attempt to abort me. It happened during a night of partying --he got involved in trying to do a black-magic number. Also, I've got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 incarnate.

Q: The devil?

Hubbard: Yes. The Antichrist. Alestair Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947, my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast and become the most powerful being in the universe.

Q. You were sixteen years old at that time [when he first read Cowley's book]. What did you believe in?

Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology® and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology® is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology® --- and it is probably the only part of Scientology® that really works.

read more here

http://judahgabriel.blogspot.com/2008/01/cult-of-scientology.html

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thirdwave: Crowley attacked all religions..


Quote: eternal_spirit
Any proof that Crowley attacked ALL religions?

quote:thirdwave:
well if you read his books you would have seen this covered!,

Take that as a no then. He was true to Satanism and attacked Christians figures.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thirdwave

Christians are arrogant, stubborn mislead robots and they hated crowley for the same reason as many don't like Icke...tsarion... Maxwell... and many others who point out all the holes in their program.

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More anti-christ spiel

NO! They dislike Satanists because of the Black mass where they curse Christians and Christ, satanists also murder and rape Christians.

If you claim not to be a satanist, why don't you become one? You obviously have a strong dislike of Chrsitians, you'd fit in well with Satanists, they'd applaud your efforts.

The reason "some" Chrisitians dislike Icke etc is a million miles apart from the reason they dislike Crowley and co. Many good Christians have been and continue to post on this site and have nothing bad to say about Icke and support his efforts and some of his ideas.

[damagedbrainn]

Hubbard's Satanism didn't end with Scientology. On the contrary, Hubbard claimed that Scientology began when his Satanist mentor, Aliester Crowley, died in 1947. In an interview, Hubbard made the following statement:

Hubbard: According to him [my father] and my mother, he tried to do it [perform an abortion] with me. I was born at six and a half months and weighed two pounds, two ounces. I mean, I wasn't born: this is what came out as a result of their attempt to abort me. It happened during a night of partying --he got involved in trying to do a black-magic number. Also, I've got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 incarnate.

Q: The devil?

Hubbard: Yes. The Antichrist. Alestair Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947, my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast and become the most powerful being in the universe.

Q. You were sixteen years old at that time [when he first read Cowley's book]. What did you believe in?

Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology® and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology® is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology® --- and it is probably the only part of Scientology® that really works.

read more here

http://judahgabriel.blogspot.com/2008/01/cult-of-scientology.html


That's not an interview with L. Ron Hubbard, but with his son Lafayette Ron Hubbard, Jr. from Penthouse Magazine, 1983.

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.htm

"Officially", he retracted his statements, but only after accepting a sizable sum of money from the Church of Scientology after his father's death.

[eternal_spirit]

That's not an interview with L. Ron Hubbard, but with his son Lafayette Ron Hubbard, Jr. from Penthouse Magazine, 1983.

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.htm

"Officially", he retracted his statements, but only after accepting a sizable sum of money from the Church of Scientology after his father's death.

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Well he either made the story up, or they silenced the truth by buying him off, or threats. Scientologists are taught to do everything they can possibly do too stop someone from speaking out against them ( even if it's true what thats someone has said )

[thirdwave]

Nah, I've already said, I'm not willing to debate with you anymore,

the shock the horror!!

I've learned my lesson. You drain peoples energy, bad vibes all around you man. :( Now I'm outta this shitty thread, you can roll around all you want in your Crowley shit!

cheerio.

[thirdwave]

More anti-christ spiel

Im not against Christ... Im not even against Christians... I just think they are ignorant people who assume they are right based on thin air and often attack others for not sharing it....


NO! They dislike Satanists because of the Black mass where they curse Christians and Christ, satanists also murder and rape Christians.

But they pick and choose who satanists are and who is being tempted by him... they do not allow others to choose... YOU choose who is being a Satanist... weather they are or not is compelalty irelivent... if they do not share your christian views then they are either a satanist or being tempted by Satan...

Im not anti Christ.... I simply do not give a crap about the Christ you go on about... means nothing to me.. i dont fear it, i just think its boring, uninspiring and unintelligent..... this does not mean Im a Satanist... as I think they are boring uninspiring, unintelligent as well...


If you claim not to be a satanist, why don't you become one? You obviously have a strong dislike of Chrsitians, you'd fit in well with Satanists, they'd applaud your efforts.

The reason I have not become a Satanist is

1, I do not believe in having a set belife system
2, I do not belive in worshiping a god
3, I do not belive in hurting other people
4, I do not belive in taking others freedom away

This is why I would not become a Satanist.

And as you accuse me of not liking Christians... Its not a case of me not liking them... they can do what they like... its when they inpose their views and point the finger at other people because those people do not conform to their faith.

THAT is what I dislike...

if people want to be Christians then knock your self out, nothing to do with me and not really my business.... but if they are going to wave their book around my face and start telling me who is good and who is evil based on YOUR beliefs, I will point out that they are being arrogant and ignorant and annoying.

You have the cheak to start implying that I am either a Satanist or brainwashed by it.... and that I am not a decent person for not hating Crowley.... and then you go on and attack me for disliking Christians??

If you want people to like Christians then you should maybe be a little more tactful.

I mean what on earth is that about??

The reason "some" Chrisitians dislike Icke etc is a million miles apart from the reason they dislike Crowley and co. Many good Christians have been and continue to post on this site and have nothing bad to say about Icke and support his efforts and some of his ideas.

the reason they don't like Icke is the same reason they don't like Tsarion...Crowley... Maxwell... and who ever else exposes holes in their religion!

they dont want people understanding that the bible is made up fairy tail... they want people think Jesus Christ is our saviour and if you worship him you will be sent to heaven when you die....

anything that points out another story they do not like... its very simple.

The only reason you are banging on about this so much is you cant deal with people that don't give two shits about your religion.... you have to try to change others views to pleased your own..I guess because your faith is so strong :rolleyes:

[montag]

TOTALLY AGREE MONTAG!!!!!


It is definitely very low vibrational activity, and anyone who can't see that or who wants to defend that behavior, is not using their intuition or their brains.

Let's get real: even animals know this. Pet cat owners know their little kitty cats cover up their excrement instead of using it for something else.

But ey yi yi, enough about poo....

The fact that we are discussing satanism (and in the same topic : poo) here should tell us something.....because why?

Because satanist worship.....Satan. That's why they are called satanists.

AND, when you are one of satan's disciples, you do very strange, gross, and bizarre things in which to show your loyalty to your "god" Satan.

It really is not that much of a stretch of the imagination to see that.

And another logical conclusion: if Mr. Crowley didn't worship satan, then why oh why did he look so crazed, act so crazed and behaved so crazed all the time, UNLESS he was indeed possessed by some demonic entity??????

Someone can only keep this type of crazy behavior going for just so long......

For all the Christian bashing that goes on here on this forum, saying it is foolish, unenlightened yad yada yada, it is certainly FAR BETTER to follow the precepts of an individual known as Jesus Christ who advocated love and peace, (even if you think He is an imaginary friend) than to follow another individual known as Satan who advocates that his disciples do nasty things.....

.....oh like, kill people, sacrifice innocent little babies and virgins, kill our precious little animal friends, drink their blood, roll in people's poo etc. etc.


Even if you don't believe in ANYTHING, you tell me here, WHAT IS THE BETTER CHOICE?????? Hmmm...... Poo eaters or Peace followers?


And another thing.......if certain so-called enlightened, intelligent researchers are also endorsing Mr. Crowley saying he is so wonderful and lived his life dancing thru the daisy's,

I would then have to question just WHY they would be endorsing such an individual as Mr. Poo eater???????

This raises some red flags for me.

I don't recall that Icke endorsing any such type of satanic behavior but rather he exposed some satanic agendas ......

He has, shall we say, a lot more "horse sense" than some other "researcher" :rolleyes:

And having good ole "horse sense" is akin to trusting in your good ole intuiton.

I am inclined to listen more to what HE has to say than what some of the other "researcher" dudes endorse.
Thanks amethyst, you make good common sense with this post..

montag

[montag]

I also think it's necessary to point out that I'm not the one who brought it up....You all seem far more obsessed with the idea of shit-eating than I am.
Hey I never mentioned eating it, thats only in your own dirty mind fella..:o

[eternal_spirit]

Im not against Christ... Im not even against Christians... I just think they are ignorant people who assume they are right based on thin air and often attack others for not sharing it....




But they pick and choose who satanists are and who is being tempted by him... they do not allow others to choose... YOU choose who is being a Satanist... weather they are or not is compelalty irelivent... if they do not share your christian views then they are either a satanist or being tempted by Satan...

Im not anti Christ.... I simply do not give a crap about the Christ you go on about... means nothing to me.. i dont fear it, i just think its boring, uninspiring and unintelligent..... this does not mean Im a Satanist... as I think they are boring uninspiring, unintelligent as well...



The reason I have not become a Satanist is

1, I do not believe in having a set belife system
2, I do not belive in worshiping a god
3, I do not belive in hurting other people
4, I do not belive in taking others freedom away

This is why I would not become a Satanist.



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LOL yet you manage to fill a page
with more anti christian spiel :D

And another example and more lies. Funny because I've not seen any evangelical Christians on here trying to covert anyone to Christ.

No, people choose to be Satanists Some of us know who and what a satanist is, and point it out on countless occasions, yet YOU still don't understand what one is. And it's totally relevant if they are or not.

LOL my christian views ( told you on countless occasions I don't follow or practice and religon or follow Jesus read my signature BIG clue )

You push Crowley a "Satanist" and are interested in him and say he's intelligent and obvioulsy excites you. Not difficult to spot= more contradictions in your posts.


Ah at last you makes some sense with the why nots..

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=thirdwave


And as you accuse me of not liking Christians... Its not a case of me not liking them... they can do what they like... its when they inpose their views and point the finger at other people because those people do not conform to their faith.

THAT is what I dislike...

if people want to be Christians then knock your self out, nothing to do with me and not really my business.... but if they are going to wave their book around my face and start telling me who is good and who is evil based on YOUR beliefs, I will point out that they are being arrogant and ignorant and annoying.

You have the cheak to start implying that I am either a Satanist or brainwashed by it.... and that I am not a decent person for not hating Crowley.... and then you go on and attack me for disliking Christians??

If you want people to like Christians then you should maybe be a little more tactful.

I mean what on earth is that about??



the reason they don't like Icke is the same reason they don't like Tsarion...Crowley... Maxwell... and who ever else exposes holes in their religion!

they dont want people understanding that the bible is made up fairy tail... they want people think Jesus Christ is our saviour and if you worship him you will be sent to heaven when you die....

anything that points out another story they do not like... its very simple.

The only reason you are banging on about this so much is you cant deal with people that don't give two shits about your religion.... you have to try to change others views to pleased your own..I guess because your faith is so strong :rolleyes:[/quote]

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Funny because I've not seen any evangelical Christians on here trying to covert anyone to Christ. Just people pointing their fingers and having a go at anyone who is a christian and imposing and forcing their views on them saying how right they are.

My beliefs tell me I know an evil satanist when I see one and that has nothing to do with any religion especially as a fact that I'm not religious.

The mere mention or sight of any christians obviously annoys you, you being anti-christian...which is becoming annoying.

You have the cheek to label me a brainwashed christian 100's of times ( I'm not religious nor do I practice, or follow any religion ) I ask if you are a Satanist or why aren't you one ONCE!

You believe in your imaginary alien friends and assorted New Age gobbedly gook and nonsense, spot the irony? It doesnt exist, not real comprehendo...There's more chance that there was a man known as Jesus IMO.


Some evangelical one's yes, like other religions and the New Age ascension religion, they threaten you with ( If you don't ascend you will die and deserve such a fate, at least you get the chance if you believe in heaven and hell, a good person may get to heaven, even if you're a good person you still deserve to die if you don't ascend come 2012, how evil is that for a POV and dogmatic nonsense based on a fairytale and myth:( kind of religion.....

LOL there you go again another lie from TW....

[thirdwave]

Ha, Cheney looks like he's ready to take a "bite" outta someone in that picture!:eek:


the thing is... we are not saying that Satanism is good.... we are saying that it is not really something people know allot about and it is something that some people like to pigeon hole along with the "occult"... a man killed a man with a knife... so there for knifes are evil... even though you can use them to help prepare some food.

Now I listen to and respect my researchers and wise people... from David Icke (who happens to be my favouret and the one who I think is Moseley on the ball)... through ...Tsarion... Hancocks... pinchbeck.... maxwell.... wilcock.... and more...

I do not choose ones view to implant my own... I take what I find is good and do my own thing and mix it all together...

It seems you are now implying that Me and others who are not against Crowleys work are saying that he is a leader that people should follow..

this is not the case and no one has implied this at all.... You apear to want to follow a god... or a leader and that's fine... but not everyone is looking for that.... The reason your picture of Jesus was so good and perfect was he was not real.


Please remember that we did not even start this thread, I am simply pointing out that there was more to the man that what many brushed off as an evil Satanist... and that he had something to say.

after saying this we are still here with people like ES desperately trying to convince us otherwise, Desperately... but still un able to lay down any real info that shows he is of danger to those who want to read and study his works... only that he was involved in groups that have know to create negative people...

Now, you say what's wrong with worshipping Jesus??

I am not going to tell you to not worship him.... I do not go around to Christian forums telling people they are wrong or fools....at the most I would throw them a couple links...

I am talking about how Christians use their own faith to cast judgement on others.... if they do that then I will tell them what I think... there views mean nothing to me regarding what they think of god and Satanism...

%90 of Christians here come here to attack the stuff that does not sing from their hymn sheet... so they should expect to it back.... the reason its them that are the topic is because there does not appear to be other religions really coming here and putting up a case... yet anyway.

Now I have read and taken in my research of Crowley.... I have not judged him as an evil person... and not really as a leader.... But I dig what some of the guys work was about....

but Im not looking for a leader... I did not need the bible to teach me as I being good made sense to me anyway... my family where not religious even though on paper they were but they inserted ethics in me..not jesus....

My nature can teach me what the bible talks of and it can also spot the rubbish inserted in there.

So this is not a who is the best leader thing... its a who says others have the right to make judgement?... I'm not looking for a leader... just knowledge to help me as my own person...

who is the ones attacking here? think about it.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by amethyst http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=342499#post342499)

TOTALLY AGREE MONTAG!!!!!


It is definitely very low vibrational activity, and anyone who can't see that or who wants to defend that behavior, is not using their intuition or their brains.

Let's get real: even animals know this. Pet cat owners know their little kitty cats cover up their excrement instead of using it for something else.

But ey yi yi, enough about poo....

The fact that we are discussing satanism (and in the same topic : poo) here should tell us something.....because why?

Because satanist worship.....Satan. That's why they are called satanists.

AND, when you are one of satan's disciples, you do very strange, gross, and bizarre things in which to show your loyalty to your "god" Satan.

It really is not that much of a stretch of the imagination to see that.

And another logical conclusion: if Mr. Crowley didn't worship satan, then why oh why did he look so crazed, act so crazed and behaved so crazed all the time, UNLESS he was indeed possessed by some demonic entity??????

Someone can only keep this type of crazy behavior going for just so long......

For all the Christian bashing that goes on here on this forum, saying it is foolish, unenlightened yad yada yada, it is certainly FAR BETTER to follow the precepts of an individual known as Jesus Christ who advocated love and peace, (even if you think He is an imaginary friend) than to follow another individual known as Satan who advocates that his disciples do nasty things.....

.....oh like, kill people, sacrifice innocent little babies and virgins, kill our precious little animal friends, drink their blood, roll in people's poo etc. etc.


Even if you don't believe in ANYTHING, you tell me here, WHAT IS THE BETTER CHOICE?????? Hmmm...... Poo eaters or Peace followers?


And another thing.......if certain so-called enlightened, intelligent researchers are also endorsing Mr. Crowley saying he is so wonderful and lived his life dancing thru the daisy's,

I would then have to question just WHY they would be endorsing such an individual as Mr. Poo eater???????

This raises some red flags for me.

I don't recall that Icke endorsing any such type of satanic behavior but rather he exposed some satanic agendas ......

He has, shall we say, a lot more "horse sense" than some other "researcher" :rolleyes:

And having good ole "horse sense" is akin to trusting in your good ole intuiton.

I am inclined to listen more to what HE has to say than what some of the other "researcher" dudes endorse.

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Great post sweetheart. :)

[thirdwave]

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Funny because I've not seen any evangelical Christians on here trying to covert anyone to Christ. Just people pointing their fingers and having a go at anyone who is a christian and imposing and forcing their views on them saying how right they are.

My beliefs tell me I know an evil satanist when I see one and that has nothing to do with any religion especially as a fact that I'm not religious.

The mere mention or sight of any christians obviously annoys you, you being anti-christian...which is becoming annoying.

You have the cheek to label me a brainwashed christian 100's of times ( I'm not religious nor do I practice, or follow any religion ) I ask if you are a Satanist or why aren't you one ONCE!

You believe in your imaginary alien friends and assorted New Age gobbedly gook and nonsense, spot the irony? It doesnt exist, not real comprehendo...There's more chance that there was a man known as Jesus IMO.


Some evangelical one's yes, like other religions and the New Age ascension religion, they threaten you with ( If you don't ascend you will die and deserve such a fate, at least you get the chance if you believe in heaven and hell, a good person may get to heaven, even if you're a good person you still deserve to die if you don't ascend come 2012, how evil is that for a POV and dogmatic nonsense based on a fairytale and myth:( kind of religion.....

LOL there you go again another lie from TW....



ok so now you don't want to talk about Crowley any more... and now you want to go on this "lie" thing (playing it like a school girl)... 2012..... "New Age"... yadda yadda....

Have fun!
:rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=342133#post342133)
Okay, TW DB, explain how you're going to incorperate what you've learnt in your research about Crowley and put it to use in a practical usefull positive way?

You both claim to know so much and claim I know so little, yet neither of you have answered this simple question, could it be you don't know much about what you're promoting and defending?

[thirdwave]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=342133#post342133)
Okay, TW DB, explain how you're going to incorperate what you've learnt in your research about Crowley and put it to use in a practical usefull positive way?

You both claim to know so much and claim I know so little, yet neither of you have answered this simple question, could it be you don't know much about what you're promoting and defending?



Ok well I was not going to answer seeing as you have ignored all my questions...

but why not.

I have actualy allready very clearly answered your question... but if you need me to brake it down for you ok...

You ask what I have learnt about him and his works that I can put into my life...so on..

Well first of all I don't recall saying that he has had an impacted on my life.... I have pointed out that he was a wise person with relevant things to say.... and someone who I understood what message he brought forward in his works, and have explained in great detail as to why...

What effect has he done in my life?... Well I was quite awake an aware to a few of the things he goes into as many people already are nowadays anyway... although I still find his message quite inspiring and how he did not care of what others thought of him and how he compleatly stood up to the system... did not worry how he was judged... and did not build walls around him self ... broke through them ...

I do not worship him like a god so its not as if he is the creator of my life... but those are the qualities I have taken to most and that have inspired me a personally.
and if I was to study magick and the occult he would certainly be one of the first I would go to.

of course I am not forcing anyone to take the same inspiration as my self....

[eternal_spirit]

FREEMASONRY AND SATANISM
http://ritualabusefree.org/Tracts1.gif
The hideous occult idol known as Baphomet (above) is the most widely used of all Satanic symbols. The Satanic Bible instructs worshipers to place the Baphomet on the wall above the altar during Satanic rituals. Every time we see the symbol of the Baphomet we should be reminded of the connection between Freemasonry and Satanism.

The Baphomet picture we have used is the work of French Freemason Eliphas Levi. Eliphas Levi is considered one of the Master occultists of all time and was just as educated when writing about Freemasonry as he was Black Magic. Levi had a profound influence on what is probably the most widely read Masonic book of all time by Masonic author, Albert Pike.


Pike's master work Morals and Dogma is often called the 'Masonic Bible'. This honored American Freemason was the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite when he took the Cabbalistic and Luciferian doctrine of Eliphas Levi and put it in his book. [For the comparison of the writings of Pike and Levi.

Crowley partook of and taught drug induced rituals that included perverted sexual acts, homosexuality, bestiality, and the eating of bodily emissions and excrement. Crowley who advocated blood sacrifice earned his other title "The Father of Modern Satanism".

As you can see, there are some very definite connections between Freemasonry and Satanism.
Another man who knows of those connections is the High Priest of the Church of Satan, Anton LaVey. In his book, The Satanic Rituals, LaVey acknowledges that Satanic Rituals are taken from Masonic elements, and almost all occult orders have Masonic roots:
Satanic Ritual is a blend of Gnostic, Cabbalistic, Hermetic, and Masonic elements, incorporating nomenclature and vibratory words of power from virtually every mythos.....
.....Masonic orders have contained the most influential men in many governments, and virtually every occult order has many Masonic roots. (Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Rituals, Avon Books 1972, p.21,78.)
In LaVey's Satanic Bible there are twelve calls or "keys" that are known as "The Enochian Keys". LaVey says that the Enochian calls are "the Satanic paens of faith" and that his source for the "keys" was the Golden Dawn.
I have presented my translation of the following calls with an archaic but Satanically correct unvarnishing of the translation employed by the Order of the Golden Dawn in the late Nineteenth Century. (Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible, Avon Books 1969, p. 155.)
With LaVey's mention of the Order of the Golden Dawn comes yet another connection between Freemasonry and Satanism. The Golden Dawn was an occult order founded by three Freemasons and the order had many ties to the Lodge.
Authors of A Witches Bible Compleat, Janet and Stewart Farrar give credit to the Golden Dawn for the occult explosion that we are experiencing today.
It is generally agreed that the biggest single influence in the modern expansion of ritual magic, and the occult explosion in general, in the Western world, was the Golden Dawn. This magical fraternity, founded by Freemasons at the end of the 19th century, developed a complex ritual system with ten degrees of initiation relating to the Cabalistic Sephiroth. (Janet and Stewart Farrar, The Life and Times of A Modern Witch, Phoenix Publishing Company, p. 121.)
Many Freemasons believe that they can kneel at the Masonic altar with men like Crowley and have no effect on their spiritual lives or ever have any fear of facing the judgment of God. This is surely the greatest of folly. The Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite Albert Pike said it well when he explained that every Mason that enters even the first degree of the Blue Lodge obligates himself to every other Mason in the world:
Secrecy is indispensable in a Mason of whatever Degree. It is the first and almost the only lesson taught to the Entered Apprentice. The obligations which we have each assumed toward every Mason that lives, requiring of us the performance of the most serious and onerous duties toward those personally unknown to us until they demand our aid,--duties that must be performed, even at the risk of life, or our solemn oaths be broken and violated, and we be branded as false Masons and faithless men, teach us how profound a folly it would be to betray our secrets to those who, bound to us by no tie of common obligation, might, by obtaining them, call on us in their extremity, when the urgency of the occasionshould allow us no time for inquiry, and the premptory mandate of our obligation compel us to do a brother;s duty to a base imposter.
The secrets of our brother,when communicated to us, must be sacred.... (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1871 L. H. Jenkins Inc., p. 109.)

[eternal_spirit]

He was convinced that he was the reincarnation of the magician Eliphas Levi, who died the year Crowley was born. Crowley also believed he had lived other lives, including that of Pope Alexander VI. Crowley claimed that dark powers gave him the words to his “Book of the Law.” His first wife, Rose, died in a mental asylum. His second wife also went insane. “Five mistresses committed suicide, and scores of his concubines ended in the gutter as alcoholics, drug addicts, or in mental institutions” (Hellhounds on Their Trail, p. 56).

[eternal_spirit]

GOVERNMENT PAEDOPHILES EXPOSED!
MI5/MI6 GOVERNMENT AGENTS HALL OF FAME
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif MI5 Government Agents Assigned to Infiltrate Project Freedom (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/MI5_exposed.html)
with Surveillance, Disinformation, Physical Violence and Death Threats.
These Agents are Directly Involved in the Cover - up of the Governments Paedophile Rings. By George Farquhar.

[eternal_spirit]

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[thirdwave]

He was convinced that he was the reincarnation of the magician Eliphas Levi, who died the year Crowley was born. Crowley also believed he had lived other lives, including that of Pope Alexander VI. Crowley claimed that dark powers gave him the words to his “Book of the Law.” His first wife, Rose, died in a mental asylum. His second wife also went insane. “Five mistresses committed suicide, and scores of his concubines ended in the gutter as alcoholics, drug addicts, or in mental institutions” (Hellhounds on Their Trail, p. 56).

the thing is, people have clearly stated that they are in the belife that much that is written about Crowley and in fact the occult is from ignorance... and from dissinfo....

Yet you like to posts endless links pretty much saying the same thing over and over like a broken record, from various websites, and do you expect people to suddenly change and start to believe them??

your links mean nothing to me.... I have stated that in order to find out how the soup tastes you have to taste it.. I have no interest in what others have to say about it... i will smell it and sip it my self.... I have sipped it and found out that its not poison, what you think of that means jack shit to me.

[eternal_spirit]

THE
'INTERNET CHILD PORNOGRAPHY PROBLEM' HOAX Society is being continually bombarded with this type of Government propaganda:
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif "There is so much child pornography out there on the Net, it is very hard for us (Government Intelligence) to catch the perpetrators involved."
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif "We (Government Intelligence) find and capture one individual or group of individuals involved in Internet child pornography, then more just take their place."
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif "The Internet is such a powerful freedom of speech tool of the people, it is virtually impossible for us (Government Intelligence) to monitor and censor all the information on the Internet - there are just to many paedophiles out there for us to monitor them all - we don't have the manpower - we don't have the funding - blah, blah, blah."
THIS IS GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT AT ITS ULTIMATE!
Here are just some examples of why this is so:
Firstly, it is a well-known public fact that the CIA (the US version of British MI6) and the National Security Agency (US version of British MI5) designed, created and built the internet. The worldwide Intelligence networks have used this technology for decades to communicate with each other, prior to releasing the technology to the public. Who knows any machine better than the designer, creator and builder? - NO-ONE! Government Intelligence know the Internet back-to-front, inside out, every single nook and cranny of it's existence - yet we are told all the above propaganda via the media, to brainwash us into believing the 'Internet Child Pornography Problem' is 'unsolvable'.
Secondly, we are in fact also told via news articles such as in the Sunday Times (http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/05/13/stibooboo02012.html?999) that the creators of the internet (NSA) in actual fact not only have full control over the internet, but they can and do, remotely surveillance and monitor all electronic communications - telephones - mobiles - PC's - emails & faxes, etc.
NO COMMUNICATION GETS BEYOND THEIR GRASP.ALL communications throughout Europe and North Africa are surveilled from NSA Echelon Citizen Spy Base, based in Menwith Hill, North Yorkshire, England. All information is decrypted via what is known as the Echelon Dictionary, looking for 'Trigger words'.
"The Echelon system works on a very sophisticated system of word relationships, rather than strictly on keywords... Powerful artificial intelligence software is used to judge the relationship between words, and analyse strings of words" Simon Davies, director of Privacy International
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For example, the words "child" and "sex" are only two of the countless thousands within the 'Dictionary'. In particular, if these two words are together in a suspicious context within a communication, they will be further scrutinised and dealt with accordingly by Echelon's highly advanced super computers. Of course, all the "code" words that child pornography perpetrators constantly use to try covering their tracks, are also in Echelon's dictionary.
ANYONE who is involved in child sex, at any level, whether it be an individual looking at child porn on the Net, chatting about it over the phone or email (whether using code words or otherwise), or whether the perpetrator is deeply involved in child porn networking via the Web - they will undoubtedly - every single one of them - be under the very watchful and scrutinising eye of the NSA Echelon Citizen Spy Base.
The Conclusion:
Government Intelligence (NSA) tell us via the mainstream media - all electronic communications are fully monitored, no-one can escape their grasp.
Government Intelligence (MI5) tell us via mainstream media - the Internet is so big that the child pornography problem is virtually impossible to deal with.
They (Government Intelligence) are telling us two self-contradictory things:
They have FULL and total control over the Net, and at the same time they have virtually NO control over the Net.
This 1+1 does not = 2. This 1+1 = PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT!
Well, which is it Mr. Intelligence Network - Do you have Total Control or No Control??
The Reality:
Every single child pornography perpetrator on the Net, no matter who they are, or what secret 'codes' they use to try avoid detection, is forever under the scrutinising and deceitful eye of the Intelligence agencies. 'Busts' on child pornography perpetrators are only executed when a scapegoat is necessary to brainwash society into believing that "something is being done about the problem". Out of the countless thousands of child pornography perpetrators over the Net that Echelon constantly have under their 'all seeing eye', lip-service to the public, 'busts' are executed, just 'now and again'.
THE REASON? - To keep the masses of the people in ignorance of the big picture, so they may do whatever they wish within their own Ritual Child Abuse & Murder network - and get away with it.
NOT ANY MORE.
The truth is now being revealed by many insightful people all over the world, to see through this horrendous scam.
What is the best way to keep society under control? It is not only to have everyone under constant threat from an outside source, or enemy, but in particular to have their children under a constant threat, via the so-called 'Paedophile Problem'.
Our children ARE under constant threat - not so much from the 'child molester out there' scenario as from the Masonic Government Intelligence Network's CORE OF RAPE. They, the Masonic Intelligence Network, via the Masonic Mass-Media are telling us - 'Beware out there on the street' diverting the attention away from what is really going on behind our backs.
THE FACTS ON THE

"WONDERLAND" INTERNET CHILD PORNOGRAPHY EXPOSÉ

Did you know that from the 750,000 photos the police seized from "The worlds biggest internet child pornography ring bust", there were more than 1260 children involved, being sexually abused?
Since this "bust” in 1998 , only 17 of these children have been identified and 1 child is already presumed murdered.
Three years to find this atrociously small number of children out of so many begs the question – exactly what are the police doing to find them?
These children will never be safe until they are found. This includes babies as young as 3 months old being tortured.
We also constantly hear through mass-media about the 107 people who were arrested in the "Wonderland Case" receiving pitifully small sentences and some getting off scot free, yet rarely or never, about what the police are actually doing to find the children. Is this not the main issue we should be concerned with? Obviously it is, but the media and the authorities don’t seem to think so.
To review the depth of this “scapegoat” child pornography ring bust – WONDERLAND PORNOGRAPHY (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=WONDERLAND+PORNOGRAPHY&btnG=Google+Search) – Over 3500 reports and websites.
More recently yet another, “World’s biggest child pornography ring" (lip-service to the public - scapegoat) hits the international headlines.
Edinburgh Metro: November 29, 2001
"130 Held After Child Porn Raids"
The world’s biggest child porn ring was smashed yesterday when police raided homes in 20 countries.
Detectives arrested more than 130 people in a crackdown, codenamed Operation Landmark, headed by the British National Crime Squad..............
They found 105 000 illegal images posted, featuring thousands of different children, and there were nearly 10,000 ‘hits’ by online paedophiles...............
Det Insp Peter West said more than 105 000 new images had been discovered. “I have seen images including baby boys where their nappies have been removed and they have been sexually assaulted,” he added................
He said officers were as much concerned with identifying and helping the abused children as catching the paedophiles..............(end of article)
Yet again, Echelon via their super hi-tech Citizen Surveillance network know every - one bar none, of these child pornography perpetrators, yet only 130 out of 10,000 paedophiles are busted. The paedophiles who abused the children in the first place will never be found. There will only be busts for child pornography.
And how many years will it take Det. Insp. West and the British National Crime Squad to find another dozen or so children out of the countless thousands that are abused in this latest worldwide “raid” in this “war against internet child pornography”?
Yet again, the whole scenario stinks of
Masonic Intelligence Network CORE OF RAPE corruption.
DO NOT RELY ON THE 'AUTHORITIES' TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN
THE AUTHORITIES ARE THE PROBLEM! LET'S TAKE OUR POWER BACK NOW
BECOME FULLY AWARE OF THIS MAJOR HUMAN RIGHTS ATROCITY AGAINST OUR CHILDREN
OUR CHILDREN ARE OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY
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[thirdwave]

Ok, now I have asked you many questions on here which you just keep ignoring which makes it very hard for me to put points across and debate.

here was somthing I asked you which I got no comment from


I would like to throw this one to you.... I doubt you will be able to create an answer but I guess the more questions I ask and you ignore then the more you become exposed on this thread...

Now, You have made it very clear of what you think about people who defend Crowleys works..... you make it clear that any Decent person would see he was evil... and you have clearly stated above what you think about people like my self who like do not stand against his works....

Now, You have also brought up the poster "NUIT" a few times on here saying how you thought she was a typical crowley follower and so on...

Now, it was clear she was a very sexual person with all her thigh high leather boot pics and she was very sexual orientated, And she was extremely supportive of Crowleys works, you know this your self as you argued with her for days about it...

But still you were totally ok in having a relationship with her and befriending her...

Now, does this mean that those who belief in your version of "Christ" are protected..... or does it mean that people who like Crowley can be ok?



And I also asked you what you actualy point was....

What do you think is bad about people not disliking Crowleys works?.... what is it you feel the danger of them reading his works and not hating it is??

what am I and other here who are ok with him in danger of....??

What is it that you feel Crowley was trying to do to people?

for example if you read his books other than just pick out quotes you see that killing kids or hurting people is not really of benefit...

So what exactly are you getting at.... Other than all the repeat links you post and how you are standing up for Christianity with your heart and soul again I have no idea what it is you are actually saying.

Hopefully you will answer this and not just post a load of links and photos to dust it under the mat.

[thirdwave]

THE
'INTERNET CHILD PORNOGRAPHY PROBLEM' HOAX

*Removes spam*



Hu?

*checks to see is he is on the right thread*

[thirdwave]

Does this mean nothing is this disinfo TW?

*Removes spam*




lol.. please do explain...

[manchurian_candidate]

Look can you stop arguing with each other, you both have your own thread! :rolleyes:

Happy Friday :D

[eternal_spirit]

This one's by David icke is this good enough?
HOW THE SECRET SOCIETIES
CHILD ABUSE NETWORKS OPERATE - PART 1
When we ALL become fully aware, then and only then, will these Government paedophile rings be completely destroyed and all sexual abuse against children can be, and will be stopped.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif How The Secret Societies Paedophile Rings Work (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/bigger-p.html). Seeing the bigger picture. By George Farquhar.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif How the Global Satanic-Paedophile Network Operates (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../icke/articles2/essential.html). It’s important to understand that the paedophile satanic ritual child abuse rings and covens are rarely isolated from the national and global network. By David Icke

[thirdwave]

Look can you stop arguing with each other, you both have your own thread! :rolleyes:

Happy Friday :D

No we don't, it was closed because we discovered it would be to much hard work to keep people like ES off of it....

[thirdwave]

This one's by David icke is this good enough?
HOW THE SECRET SOCIETIES
CHILD ABUSE NETWORKS OPERATE - PART 1
When we ALL become fully aware, then and only then, will these Government paedophile rings be completely destroyed and all sexual abuse against children can be, and will be stopped.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif How The Secret Societies Paedophile Rings Work (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/bigger-p.html). Seeing the bigger picture. By George Farquhar.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif How the Global Satanic-Paedophile Network Operates (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../icke/articles2/essential.html). It’s important to understand that the paedophile satanic ritual child abuse rings and covens are rarely isolated from the national and global network. By David Icke






ES, just a reminder of some questions I asked you above.... if you are not going to answer them then I will no longer converse here any more...

[kweli]

No we don't, it was closed because we discovered it would be to much hard work to keep people like ES off of it....

Lol... WE? So you helped decide it was to stay closed then TW?

[damagedbrainn]

He was convinced that he was the reincarnation of the magician Eliphas Levi, who died the year Crowley was born. Crowley also believed he had lived other lives, including that of Pope Alexander VI.

Crowley may have liked to believe that, unfortunately for him, Levi died six months before Crowley was born, and since he was not a premature birth, this would mean that Crowley was already a 3 month old fetus when Levi died. Also, in my opinion anyway, Levi was smarter than Crowley.


Crowley claimed that dark powers gave him the words to his “Book of the Law.”

I'm pretty sure he didn't claim that it was given to him by "dark powers". Biased, loaded term.


His first wife, Rose, died in a mental asylum.

She didn't die in a mental asylum. After 3 years of marriage, and the birth of one daughter, Rose and Crowley traveled through Asia, and, after leaving Rose and his daughter to continue traveling (I believe through vietnam), their daughter died of Typhoid fever while under Rose's care. Despite the prevalence of the illness in that region, Crowley blamed Rose for her death, and from that point forward was both neglectful and abusive towards her; and the quick pregnancy and birth of a second daughter apparently did nothing to appease the situation. Due to the combination of losing her daughter and Crowley's relentless blaming of her for it, Rose developed a heavy drinking problem, and she and Crowley divorced a few years later, their surviving daughter being given up to Rose's brother. Two years after their divorce, Crowley had Rose admitted to a mental asylum for "alcoholic dementia", ie, alcoholism (people were accepted into asylums for all sorts of stupid reasons back then, especially women). This could either have been because she really needed treatment, or as further retaliation on Crowley's part...possibly a combination of both. She didn't die there, but was released and then married a Roman Catholic man (her third marriage), she continued drinking, and died later at the age of 58.


His second wife also went insane.

His second wife, Maria de Miramar, was most likely already insane. She was an alleged "voodoo priestess" whom Crowley met in Argentina. It was essentially a "green card" marriage, meaning that they got married so that she could legally immigrate to Britain. They separated after less than a year (though they never technically divorced), after which she was placed in a mental institution where she remained until her death several decades later.


“Five mistresses committed suicide, and scores of his concubines ended in the gutter as alcoholics, drug addicts, or in mental institutions” (Hellhounds on Their Trail, p. 56).

Crowley had numerous "relationships" with both women and men, most of whom he treated like shit. However, "five mistresses committed suicide" is a claim I've never heard before, and "scores of his concubines" is pathetically vague and nonspecific. Both claims sound highly exaggerated, if not completely made up.

[eternal_spirit]

Look can you stop arguing with each other, you both have your own thread! :rolleyes:

Happy Friday :D
.................

I'm cool :cool: Have nice weekend.

[manchurian_candidate]

.................

I'm cool :cool: Have nice weekend.

Good to hear ES! :)

You have a good weekend as well!!! :D

MC x

[damagedbrainn]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=342133#post342133)
Okay, TW DB, explain how you're going to incorperate what you've learnt in your research about Crowley and put it to use in a practical usefull positive way?

You both claim to know so much and claim I know so little, yet neither of you have answered this simple question, could it be you don't know much about what you're promoting and defending?


I'll answer that stupid question just as soon as you effectively justify your idolization of Adolf Hitler.

[montag]

I'll answer that stupid question just as soon as you effectively justify your idolization of Adolf Hitler.
DB stop baiting and stick to the topic of the thread please..

[damagedbrainn]

DB stop baiting and stick to the topic of the thread please..

I would say it's very "on topic" considering that it's an example of his rather hypocritical and bizarre judgment. Though honestly, this thread doesn't seem to have a consistent topic...Is it about Crowley, the Freemasons, Eliphas Levi, Anton Lavey, homicide, internet pornography, the Talmud, Jews, or what?

Edit:
In case you couldn't tell, this is my super-clever way of pointing out the numerous times that ES has gone off-topic, and that's to say nothing of the thinly veiled accusations he's made....And there's Kweli, who's only contribution to the thread was to point out that he refuses to debate with TW followed by simplistic insults which I'm pretty sure is way, way off-topic. So please refrain from such selective calls and orders. I've actually remained more on-topic through the course of this thread than most. Thanks.

[thirdwave]

I would like to say that I have chosen not to converse in this thread any more due to feeling that there is not much point .... and it seems that ES has been upset at some of my posts.... I was only trying to debate but if it is upsetting people then I guess there is not much point in debating....

Over and out.

[eternal_spirit]

I would say it's very "on topic" considering that it's an example of his rather hypocritical and bizarre judgment. Though honestly, this thread doesn't seem to have a consistent topic...Is it about Crowley, the Freemasons, Eliphas Levi, Anton Lavey, homicide, internet pornography, the Talmud, Jews, or what?

Edit:
In case you couldn't tell, this is my super-clever way of pointing out the numerous times that ES has gone off-topic, and that's to say nothing of the thinly veiled accusations he's made....And there's Kweli, who's only contribution to the thread was to point out that he refuses to debate with TW followed by simplistic insults which I'm pretty sure is way, way off-topic. So please refrain from such selective calls and orders. I've actually remained more on-topic through the course of this thread than most. Thanks.
............................


I'm on topic, and have even provided documented accounts and evidence of satanic murders. Also satanism... MI5/6 CIA, Freemasons all connected. So, you can stop lying now DB, no one's going to believe such pathetic attempts at lies.

Yes, you have stayed on topic.

[kweli]

I would say it's very "on topic" considering that it's an example of his rather hypocritical and bizarre judgment. Though honestly, this thread doesn't seem to have a consistent topic...Is it about Crowley, the Freemasons, Eliphas Levi, Anton Lavey, homicide, internet pornography, the Talmud, Jews, or what?

Edit:
In case you couldn't tell, this is my super-clever way of pointing out the numerous times that ES has gone off-topic, and that's to say nothing of the thinly veiled accusations he's made....And there's Kweli, who's only contribution to the thread was to point out that he refuses to debate with TW followed by simplistic insults which I'm pretty sure is way, way off-topic. So please refrain from such selective calls and orders. I've actually remained more on-topic through the course of this thread than most. Thanks.

I'm female I'll have you know. Yes, DB, I am making a point that I refuse to debate with TW because there's NO POINT! Even though, I want to contribute to a thread, I don't because I know it will only end the same way if he (or you for that matter) is involved. (check out the rantroom for gods sake!) I learn from my mistakes.

[montag]

Hey guys, I don't want to see this thread in the rant room either, if there are personal issues can we please use the pm function otherwise lets try to keep the thread on topic.:)

montag

[damagedbrainn]

FREEMASONRY AND SATANISM
http://ritualabusefree.org/Tracts1.gif
The hideous occult idol known as Baphomet (above) is the most widely used of all Satanic symbols. The Satanic Bible instructs worshipers to place the Baphomet on the wall above the altar during Satanic rituals. Every time we see the symbol of the Baphomet we should be reminded of the connection between Freemasonry and Satanism.

The Baphomet picture we have used is the work of French Freemason Eliphas Levi. Eliphas Levi is considered one of the Master occultists of all time and was just as educated when writing about Freemasonry as he was Black Magic. Levi had a profound influence on what is probably the most widely read Masonic book of all time by Masonic author, Albert Pike.


Pike's master work Morals and Dogma is often called the 'Masonic Bible'. This honored American Freemason was the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite when he took the Cabbalistic and Luciferian doctrine of Eliphas Levi and put it in his book. [For the comparison of the writings of Pike and Levi.

Crowley partook of and taught drug induced rituals that included perverted sexual acts, homosexuality, bestiality, and the eating of bodily emissions and excrement. Crowley who advocated blood sacrifice earned his other title "The Father of Modern Satanism".

As you can see, there are some very definite connections between Freemasonry and Satanism.
Another man who knows of those connections is the High Priest of the Church of Satan, Anton LaVey. In his book, The Satanic Rituals, LaVey acknowledges that Satanic Rituals are taken from Masonic elements, and almost all occult orders have Masonic roots:
Satanic Ritual is a blend of Gnostic, Cabbalistic, Hermetic, and Masonic elements, incorporating nomenclature and vibratory words of power from virtually every mythos.....
.....Masonic orders have contained the most influential men in many governments, and virtually every occult order has many Masonic roots. (Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Rituals, Avon Books 1972, p.21,78.)
In LaVey's Satanic Bible there are twelve calls or "keys" that are known as "The Enochian Keys". LaVey says that the Enochian calls are "the Satanic paens of faith" and that his source for the "keys" was the Golden Dawn.
I have presented my translation of the following calls with an archaic but Satanically correct unvarnishing of the translation employed by the Order of the Golden Dawn in the late Nineteenth Century. (Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible, Avon Books 1969, p. 155.)
With LaVey's mention of the Order of the Golden Dawn comes yet another connection between Freemasonry and Satanism. The Golden Dawn was an occult order founded by three Freemasons and the order had many ties to the Lodge.
Authors of A Witches Bible Compleat, Janet and Stewart Farrar give credit to the Golden Dawn for the occult explosion that we are experiencing today.
It is generally agreed that the biggest single influence in the modern expansion of ritual magic, and the occult explosion in general, in the Western world, was the Golden Dawn. This magical fraternity, founded by Freemasons at the end of the 19th century, developed a complex ritual system with ten degrees of initiation relating to the Cabalistic Sephiroth. (Janet and Stewart Farrar, The Life and Times of A Modern Witch, Phoenix Publishing Company, p. 121.)
Many Freemasons believe that they can kneel at the Masonic altar with men like Crowley and have no effect on their spiritual lives or ever have any fear of facing the judgment of God. This is surely the greatest of folly. The Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite Albert Pike said it well when he explained that every Mason that enters even the first degree of the Blue Lodge obligates himself to every other Mason in the world:
Secrecy is indispensable in a Mason of whatever Degree. It is the first and almost the only lesson taught to the Entered Apprentice. The obligations which we have each assumed toward every Mason that lives, requiring of us the performance of the most serious and onerous duties toward those personally unknown to us until they demand our aid,--duties that must be performed, even at the risk of life, or our solemn oaths be broken and violated, and we be branded as false Masons and faithless men, teach us how profound a folly it would be to betray our secrets to those who, bound to us by no tie of common obligation, might, by obtaining them, call on us in their extremity, when the urgency of the occasionshould allow us no time for inquiry, and the premptory mandate of our obligation compel us to do a brother;s duty to a base imposter.
The secrets of our brother,when communicated to us, must be sacred.... (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1871 L. H. Jenkins Inc., p. 109.)


1) Eliphas Levi was a French Freemason for a period of 6 months in 1861 (between March and August), and managed to become a Master Mason in that short amount of time. His primary focus in the lodge was to teach and demonstrate that the teachings and symbols of Freemasonry descend from the Kabbalah...an idea which was not well received by the other members. He left out of frustration with this conflict, as well as what he felt was a general intolerance towards Catholics within the French lodge.

2) The supposed "influence" that Levi had on Freemasonry comes almost entirely from the Leo Taxil hoax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9o_Taxil

In the books which Taxil published, supposedly exposing Masonry as a secret "coven" devoted to worshiping Lucifer (sound familiar?) he included details of certain rituals which the Masons were supposed to have performed for these purposes. It was later revealed that these rituals were copied by Taxil from Eliphas Levi's book Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie...a discovery easily made by A.E. Waite, since he was the one who translated Levi's book into English. That's also how the Levi's image of Baphomet became associated with Masonry. A good hoax never dies, I guess.

3) The three original founders of the Order of the Golden Dawn were indeed Freemasons. More specifically, they were members of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia, which was an appendant body of Masonry exclusively for Christian Master Masons. Mathers (one of the founders), however, was later kicked out of Masonry for failing to pay back money he had borrowed.

4) Anton Lavey was full of shit, and if you knew anything about the occult you'd be able to recognize this easily. The connections he claims between those various traditions are vague at best, and his rituals for the most part were handed down to him from the most Sacred Temple and Sanctum of his own ass. The enochian calls he published are just the exact same calls which had been published numerous times before, except that he substituted words like "God" and "Lord" with "Satan".

[damagedbrainn]

I'm female I'll have you know. Yes, DB, I am making a point that I refuse to debate with TW because there's NO POINT! Even though, I want to contribute to a thread, I don't because I know it will only end the same way if he (or you for that matter) is involved. (check out the rantroom for gods sake!) I learn from my mistakes.

Selective Memory Syndrome is a terrible ailment that has destroyed many lives.

You can't handle disagreement without becoming highly emotional, which is the only reason why you don't want to be involved. The other threads on this topic quickly degenerated into insults, outrageous accusations, and even death threats, most of which came from the other side. And I agree that one should take a glance in the rant room to see what I'm talking about.

If you have a point to make, then make it; but I have every right to attempt to discredit and disagree with that point as you do with mine. If that's too much for you to handle or if you just don't see any point in participating in a discussion unless you can be certain that everyone will agree with you....then fine, whatever. I was just pointing out the blatant selectiveness of the "off topic" heads-up directed at me.

[kweli]

Selective Memory Syndrome is a terrible ailment that has destroyed many lives.

You can't handle disagreement without becoming highly emotional, which is the only reason why you don't want to be involved. The other threads on this topic quickly degenerated into insults, outrageous accusations, and even death threats, most of which came from the other side. And I agree that one should take a glance in the rant room to see what I'm talking about.

If you have a point to make, then make it; but I have every right to attempt to discredit and disagree with that point as you do with mine. If that's too much for you to handle or if you just don't see any point in participating in a discussion unless you can be certain that everyone will agree with you....then fine, whatever. I was just pointing out the blatant selectiveness of the "off topic" heads-up directed at me.

Now there you go again, taking it off topic and making personal insults. highly emotional? lol! You don't know me, how can you make that assumption? I'm a perpetual stoner didn't you know? I don't do 'highly emotional' :D As for the rest of your post, what's that got to do with me? have I ever made death threats? or outrageous accusations? :confused:

And if you'd read the PM TW has just sent me you'd realise the reasons I don't want to get involved with him in threads.

[montag]

Come on guys, take it to pm if you want to continue down this line..

[eternal_spirit]

Where have all the children gone?
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif London Police Investigating Claims of Babies – "Born for Sacrifice" (http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/europe/england/021000a.html) Evidence supports the expose of Satanism. By David Icke
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Satanism, Murder and Child Abuse in Ireland (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../icke/articles2/satan-ireland.html) The story of Jacque. Top Police, Judges, Politicians, Businessmen involved. By Jim Carins.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Satanic Ritual Abuse, Murder, Missing Persons & Mayhem (http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/europe/ireland/101600a.html) - Comparisons in Ireland and the USA. "In the case of the Marc Dutroux Paedophile Murders in Belgium, the allegations of SRA and Satanic murders were Completely censored from the Irish newspapers, TV and radio!" By Jim Carins.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Drugged Descent into Outback Hell (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/extras/toohey/s1s2.html) Freemasonic involvement in child rape and blood sacrifice. By Paul Toohey
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Evidence of Satanic Ritual Abuse Among the Elite in Australia (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../icke/articles2/aussieabuse.html) The "pillars of society", police, lawyers and doctors involved.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif The Abuse and Satanic Ritual Abuse of Children, and Human Sacrifice Ceremonies (http://www.pro-freedom.co.uk/icke_sacrifice.html) Freemason-Illuminati initiates George Bush and Henry Kissinger involved. By David Icke
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Trauma Based Mind Control and its links to Satanic Child Abuse (http://www.vegan.swinternet.co.uk/articles/liftingtheveil/manipulation7.html#mind) An integral part of MK-Ultra is Project Monarch. Perhaps the most damning episode in the history of mind control – whereby the minds of women and children are brutally taken over in order to provide paedophile politicians, criminals and practising Satanists. By Ivan Frazer.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Aleister Crowley – A Legacy of Satanism (http://www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/Aleister%20Crowley.htm) High priest of the Golden Dawn, 33 Degree Freemason and directly involved in child sacrifice, quotes: "A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim".
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Satanism and Sexual Child Abuse (http://www.vegan.swinternet.co.uk/articles/liftingtheveil/manipulation8.html#satanism) One of the most sinister elements to the manipulation of society is the abuse of esoteric knowledge by the world's secret societies both for the purposes of political control and for sick personal pleasure. By Ivan Frazer

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif The Depths of Evil (http://www.pro-freedom.co.uk/depths_of_evil.html) The US political hierarchy are deeply involved in developing trauma-based mind control programs to augment their horrendous paedophile activities. By David Icke
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Ritual Abuse and Secret Societies Information Outline (http://www.pro-freedom.co.uk/depths_of_evil.html) by Neil Brick.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif The Kidnapping of Children by CIA Operatives (http://educate-yourself.org/tg/) for the purpose of prostitution, pornography and satanic ritual murder. By ex FBI special agent Ted Gunderson.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Children 'Born for Sacrifice to Satan' (http://www.ritualabuse.net/mtc/sacrifice.htm) Children are being secretly reared in Britain for sacrifice by Satanists, says a Government-backed expert, Psychotherapist Valerie Sinason.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif Satanic Subversion of the U.S. Military (http://www.ritualabuse.net/index/Satanic_subversive.htm). Noreen Gosch stunned the court with sworn testimony linking U.S. Army Lt. Col. Michael Aquino (ret.) to the nationwide paedophile ring. By Jeffrey Steinberg.

[eternal_spirit]

Mae Brussell's Research about Child Abuse (http://newsmakingnews.com/mbchildabuseindex.htm) - Sanctioned, tolerated and buried by the U.S.A. http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif FREEMASON CHILD SACRIFICE (http://www.google.com/search?q=freemason+child+sacrifice&btnG=Google+Search)- Over 700 reports and websites
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif FREEMASON CHILD SACRIFICE UK (http://www.google.com/search?q=freemason+child+sacrifice+uk&btnG=Google+Search) - Over 100 reports and websites
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif FREEMASON BLOOD SACRIFICE (http://www.google.com/search?q=freemason+blood+sacrifice&btnG=Google+Search) -Over 800 reports and websiteshttp://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/google.gif (http://www.google.com/)
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif FREEMASON BLOOD SACRIFICE UK (http://www.google.com/search?q=freemason+blood+sacrifice+uk&btnG=Google+Search) - Over 100 reports and websites
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif FREEMASON SATANIC OCCULT (http://www.google.com/search?q=freemason+satanic+occult&btnG=Google+Search) - Over 700 reports and websites
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/images/red_dot.gif FREEMASON SATANIC OCCULT UK (http://www.google.com/search?q=freemason+satanic+occult+uk&btnG=Google+Search) -Over 100 reports and websites

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley has nothing to offer us that is good, apart form lessons in how NOT to behave.

[eternal_spirit]

The Missing Persons Issue Ireland (http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/index.htm)
Human sacrifice cult that knows no boundaries
APEDESTRIAN crossing Tower Bridge spotted it: something that resembled a small torso dressed in orange shorts, floating near the north bank of the Thames, as he walked to work on the morning of September 21, 2001. It was indeed a human torso measuring only about 18 inches by eight inches and identified by the coroner as that of a young boy, aged between five and eight years with dark skin colour. The child's body had been skillfully butchered, the legs, arms and head removed and may have been hung upside down and drained entirely of blood before it was dressed in a pair of orange shorts and placed in the river. There was nothing to identify the child and no reports of missing children in the UK or Europe matched his physical description.
Further examination showed that the boy had been well nourished and had not been sexually abused. The contents of the stomach revealed traces of a common cough medicine and something quite bizarre. Just before he was murdered, the child had been fed a potion containing quartz clay pellets, ground animal bone and tiny particles of rough gold. The label on the orange shorts showed they were sold exclusively by Woolworths in Germany.
In the absence of fingerprints and dental records, Scotland Yard had no means of identifying the child. DNA technology was useless because there was nothing with which to match it, no relatives to provide body samples as a starting point for scientists.
The Metropolitan Police and Coroner's Court deal with about 45 bodies taken from the Thames each year but had never encountered anything like this. A special investigation unit was set up under Commander Andy Baker and led by Detective William O'Reilly - the senior officer who visited Dublin this week accompanying gardai during the arrest of a west African man in Tallaght.
The unit began the traditional methodology of a murder investigation: identifying and eliminating possible leads; contacting foreign police forces for possible links; issuing press releases in an attempt to elicit public responses; and initiating forensic scientific research.
They approached Professor Ken Pye, a forensic geologist at Royal Holloway College whose genetic research techniques can tell, from trace elements in a human body, the geographical area where that person lived. In the case of the juvenile torso, Professor Pye found that it came from a small area in north-west Africa, probably a rural area near the city of Benin in south-western Nigeria. The forensic examination by Professor Pye also showed that the child had spent only a brief time in western Europe, probably only weeks before his murder.
The Met officers now had to establish the identity of the child and a motive for his murder. Firstly they gave the dead child a name, Adam. They had to discover why someone had brought Adam to London from Africa and then murdered him in such a careful and horrific manner.
Quickly, the theory that Adam was the victim of what is termed a ritualistic murder began to feature prominently in the Met's thinking. The detective unit's appeal for assistance from the European police liaison agency, Europol, in the Hague quickly produced general supporting evidence for this theory. Three weeks before the body in the Thames was discovered, the naked torso of a white girl, aged between five and seven, was found floating near the Dutch lake resort of Nulde. The girl had been butchered in exactly the same way. The Dutch police were also looking at the possibility of a ritualistic killing and had contacted detectives in Hamburg, Germany, where a similar case had been reported.
While the police in London began attempting to trace west Africans who had come into Britain from Germany, they also decided to visit South Africa where the Natal police have an occult crimes unit which specialises in investigating human sacrifice by 'Muti' witch doctors.
They visited the remote Zulu settlement of Eshowe in KwaZulu, Natal, where locals had been living in fear after the dismembered bodies of six villagers were found. One of the victims was a nine-year-old boy whose eyes, tongue and testicles had been removed. What appeared to be the limbs of five other children had been scattered in the scrubland. The locals knew it was the work of Muti witch doctors.
The Metropolitan Police enlisted the help of the South African academic Dr Hendrik Scholtz, an expert on witch doctors, Muti black magic and ritualistic murder. Commenting on the Adam murder he said: "The nature of the discovery of the body, features of the external examination including the nature of the wounds, clothing and mechanism of death are consistent with those of a ritual homicide as practised in Africa."
The motive for the murder was that the human parts were to be used as sacrifices to Muti deities in return for these gods bestowing greater powers on those in possession of the sacrificed body parts: the eyes to give the power of seeing into the future; the arms for greater strength; the legs for greater mobility; the penis, a particular prize, to give greater virility and fertility. The point of the sacrifice, Dr Scholtz said was to "awaken the supernatural force required to attain that goal".
After meeting with Dr Scholtz, Commander Baker confirmed: "We are looking at the possibility of a ritual murder. Muti is a taboo subject in the sub-Sahara, let alone in London, but there is some suggestion of ceremonies taking place in the UK and strong rumours that body parts are used. They could be brought in or taken from murdered bodies. Our fear is, it is the first of many."
In 2001, the South African government became sufficiently concerned at the growth in such murders to set up a Commission of Inquiry into Witchcraft Violence and Ritual Murders to investigate 140 killings that year alone in remote areas of the northern province. During their visit to South Africa, the Metropolitan Police officers successfully appealed to Nelson Mandela to broadcast a statement throughout Africa appealing for information about Adam and calling for an end to human sacrifice.
The first break in the Adam case came when Scottish police investigated a Nigerian asylum seeker who was reported to them after a claim that she had told a neighbour she was going to sacrifice her two young daughters. In January last year, Strathclyde Police found a variety of artifacts including feathers and stones in her house and two pairs of orange shorts identical to those put on Adam's remains. She had been living in Germany before coming to England in 2001.
She was detained and DNA tested but there was no connection between her DNA results and Adam. With no evidence to connect her with Adam, Joyce Asaguede was deported back to Nigeria with her two daughters but, the Metropolitan Police say, she is still under activeinvestigation.
It was through investigation of Asaguede that led the Metropolitan detectives to Dublin to question her former husband, believed to be named Akpojo Tor Koulibaly, also known as Sam Onojhighovie and Sam Kualibaly, who was arrested at his home in Tallaght on Thursday.
Koulibaly, 37, was already sought by German police after absconding while facing human trafficking and fraud charges for which he was sentenced to seven years imprisonment in 2001. German police have sought his extradition to serve the sentence imposed.
It is understood Koulibaly moved to England from Germany during early 2001 and from there moved to Cork and, more recently, Dublin. A computer found at his home was seized for analysis at the request of the Metropolitan Police. However, there is no evidence connecting Koulibaly with the murder.
This is the first investigation ever, involving gardai, into apparent human sacrifice, a practice that disappeared in western Europe in prehistoric times. Last May, however, a conference of senior police held by Europol heard that with greater globalization and movement of people from areas where human sacrifice is practised, it was only a matter of time before such crimes began to occur in Europe.
About 10 such suspected cases are now under investigation by EU police forces. With almost no means of tracing the movement of unknown children brought into the EU on false passports, it is feared that many more such murders may have taken place and that more willhappen.
Jim Cusack

[damagedbrainn]

The part of the report and the investigation of the Thames torso that conspiracy theorists always conveniently exclude:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4098172.stm

Children are being beaten and even murdered after being labelled as witches by pastors, the report leaked to BBC Radio 4's Today programme said.

Police face a "wall of silence" in investigations because of fear and mistrust among the groups involved.

It follows the case of a girl who was accused of witchcraft by her guardians.

Three people, including the girl's aunt, were convicted of trying to "beat the devil out of" the un-named 10-year-old - originally from Angola.

The report was commissioned by the Met after the death of Victoria Climbie in February 2000 and because of concerns over so-called faith crimes.

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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-19328071-details/%27Child+sacrifices+in+London%27/article.do

They are brought into the capital to be offered up in rituals by fundamentalist Christian sects, according to a shocking report by Scotland Yard.

Followers believe that powerful spells require the deaths of "unblemished" male children.

Police believe such boys are trafficked from cities such as Kinshasa where they can be bought for a little as £10.

The report, leaked ahead of its publication next month, also cites examples of

African children being tortured and killed after being identified as "witches" by church pastors.

The 10-month study was commissioned after the death of Victoria Climbié, who was starved and beaten to death after they said she was possessed by the devil.


How strange to leave that part out. Then again, since this crowd likes to label people as "satanists" (ie, witches, same thing), maybe it's not so strange. Hits a little too close to home, huh?

[eternal_spirit]

damagedbrainn

The part of the report and the investigation of the Thames torso that conspiracy theorists always conveniently exclude:


How strange to leave that part out. Then again, since this crowd likes to label people as "satanists" (ie, witches, same thing), maybe it's not so strange. Hits a little too close to home, huh?
..........................

First time I've heard of this version of the story DB, so you've wrongfully accued me of leaving anything out. If it's even true, but you like to believe it is to suit your satanic belief sytem. Although nothing new to know that there are Satanists also involved in other religions hiding behind the cover of christianity or whatever.

Huh? I could be in Scotland way up North faster than I could be in London, so it's not so close to home.
:rolleyes:

But you being a Satanist and lying by suggesting I'm a Christian fundamentalist. You've been awarded some instant Karma on the labeling of what you are issue.

[eternal_spirit]

Some use the canaanite Satanic ritual methods like the Rothschilds coven.

Satan is just another cover name for assorted ancient Pagan human sacraficing religions.
http://www.bible-history.com/past/images/hazor_baal_mask.jpg (http://www.bible-history.com/past/images/tower_of_babel_painting_close.jpg)
This terracotta cult mask of 1300 BC was
discovered at Hazor in northern Israel. Most
likely it represents the Canaanite deity Baal.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/30/250px-Bael.jpg

The name Beelzebub is in the New Testament used as a second name for Satan, but it comes from the Ugaritic god Baal
Central to the rituals were offerings that were consumed by the gods. Offerings were both vegetables and animals. Human sacrifice was fairly common in some areas In the North African colony of Carthage it is known that children were thrown into a fire in front of a statue of a god. sacred prostitutes, performing their sexual rituals in the temples to promote fertility. There was also room for oracle priests or prophets who received messages from the gods during states of ecstasy.
http://i-cias.com/e.o/can_phoe_rel.htm#rits


While some of the blood lines families with long connections to the Celtic lands prefer the Druid sytem, Crowley was a Druid.

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/images/DRUID01.JPG
Druids offering a Human Sacrifice



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23557&highlight=cannabalism

[eternal_spirit]

Jahbulonhttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/30/250px-Bael.jpg

http://freemasonrywatch.org/pics/jahbulon_royalarch.gif

Freemsonry video -The light bringers

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../images/stories/April%202008/freemasons.jpg
This was posted on Ickes headlines page

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=163655623538377815

[eternal_spirit]

quote:Serpent of Fire

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=155184&postcount=3

I read the book ARCHITECT OF DECEPTION of Juri Lina. She says:

"the order worships another being, the Great Architect of the Universe, Jahbulon, whose nature bears a strong resemblance to that of Lucifer. The freemasons are compelled to believe in TGATU (the Great Architect of the Universe). According to the freemasons, Jahbulon is the Creative Being. The Thrice Grand Master Builder, the Nameless Spirit with a Hundred Names."

"Above the altar is seen the Star of David, sometimes the red fivepointed star with a G in the centre. The G stands for the God of the freemasons, Jahbulon. This is a compound of the names of three gods: Yahweh of Israel, Baal of Canaan (or Bel of Babylon) and the Egyptian On (another name for the god of death Osiris). The last two are also called upon at black magic and Satanist ceremonies. The G officially stands for Geometry. Only upon attaining a high degree is the freemason informed that the Great Architect of the Universe is called Jahbulon. In the degree called the Holy Royal Arch (13th), the appearance of the masonic god Jahbulon is revealed. He has a spider's body and three heads - that of a cat, a toad, and a human head. In this way the father god, the god of the heavens and the god of death were united."

G means also GENERATIVITY. Compass and square mean male and female. I translate the square also as V, the mark of Lucifer. (SoF note)

"As is well remembered the masonic deity Jahbulon has the body of a spider. Spiders tend to spin their nets."

So internet is the web of spider Jahbulon. We use in our e-mail the sing '@' that it is a serpent spire. WWW means VV VV VV = 6 x V. (SoF note)

Israel

Is = Isis Goddes
Ra = Sun God
El = In Arabic means God

Solomon

Sol = Latin of Sun
Om = Hindi of Sun
On = Egyptian of Sun

[eternal_spirit]

The morning Star maybe the negative aspect of sun worship, Lucifer is described as the brightest star that rises in the morning which maybe ( the sun ) not venus?
Albert Pike reffered to Lucifer as Yaweh reveresed ( negative aspect of the sun ) Yahwe not reversed the opposite is positive aspect of the sun.

Talmud curses Jesus who is same as Yashuha.
Satanism perverts and reverses anything pure and good.

“The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black God, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or free will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God Pan; thence the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the light bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.”
- Albert Pike 33rd degree Scottis Rite “Morals and Dogma“ Ancient and Accepted Rite of Free Masonry written and published in 1875.


Although there is a modern day Satanic sinogogue of Satan We know in the Bible Jesus condemned the blood sacrafices by the Elite Priesthood

our High Priest,
Rev. Michael S. Margolin who uses Albert Pikes quote.
The Mad Poet Acbhb
Frater Inferior
Baphomet Rex 666

http://www.sosatan.org/rex.jpg (http://www.sosatan.org/rex.jpg)

http://www.sosatan.org/

[eternal_spirit]

The aim of Theosophy was to blend Hinduism and other religions to create the New Age NWO religion.

http://bibliodyssey.blogspot.com/2007/08/stark-masonic-theosophy.html

Johann August Starck [Stark] (1741–1816) was a Professor of both oriental languages and theology in St Petersburg, Königsberg and (mostly) Darmstadt. He was a prolific author, particularly noted for his studies of comparative religions.

Starck joined the Freemasons in France when he was about twenty years old. The story goes that when he was in Russia he met with a Rosicrucian who had been closely acquainted with a founder of a Masonic Lodge in Florence in the early 18th century. The founder was a collector of ancient manuscripts and that Lodge became a centre for Rosicrucian, alchemy and theosophical discussion and enquiry. Secret knowledge divined from the 11th century Knights Templar, as laid out in the manuscripts, greatly contributed to the founding of Hermetic traditions within the developing Masonic fraternity in Germany.

Starck appears to have been what you might call a significant player in German Freemasonry as a direct result of his being exposed to the Florentine teachings. He was a leader of a faction (oh yes, Life of Brian correspondences seem appropriate) called the Klerkikat which joined with the existing Knights Templar order of Freemasons, the Strict Observance, but a schism eventually developed due to Starck's peculiar brand of Masonic beliefs. He was accused of being a Catholic and became quite an unpopular figure despite his receiving plum academic and civil appointments (he was a colleague and friend of philosopher Immanuel Kant). Apparently many of the ideas formulated or advocated by Starck persist into modern day Freemasonry.

One of the more notable subjects of his authorship appeared in the 1803 book, 'Triumph of Philosophy', in which Starck: "claimed that the Illuminati, a freemasonry group founded by Adam Weishaupt (1748-1830) in 1776, stood behind the French revolution and were secretly pursuing similar lawless and godless schemes in German lands and elsewhere."How does any of these conspiracy and esoteric shenanigans relate to the intriguing images in this post? The simple answer is: I'm not really sure. They appear in three manuscripts recently uploaded by Wolfenbütteler Digitale Bibliothek and all are attributed to Johann August Starck (or at least, they are listed under his name as author). It would seem they are either copies of, or notes and symbols dervied from, the renowned 'Geheime Figuren der Rosenkreuzer' (http://bibliodyssey.blogspot.com/2006/11/secret-rosicrucian-symbols.html) (Secret Symbols of the Rosicrucians) from the late 18th century.

[eternal_spirit]

2. Freemasonry: Midwife to an Occult Empire (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm)5. Babylon and Secret Societies (http://www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Strayreality/babylon_and_secret_societies.htm)
""Madame Blavatsky, the promoter and founder of Theosophy in Europe, ... Freemasonry is everywhere and is certainly in a position to plant and direct New Age ..."
www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Strayreality/babylon_and_secret_societies.htm6. FAMOUS FREEMASONS (http://www.whale.to/b/33.html)
"Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, female co-freemason, wicked satanist, occult leader and co-founder of the Theosophical Society. Wrote occult classics entitled ..."
www.whale.to/b/33.html7. The Right Angle - H.P.Blavatsky on Masonry in her Theosophical ... (http://www.theosophical.ca/TheRightAngle.htm) "In the same paragraph she refers to the eighteenth century founders of speculative Freemasonry. Then significantly she says, “There are no longer any ..."

[2013]

Jahbulonhttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/30/250px-Bael.jpg



has a look of prince charles wouldnt you say old jahbulon ?

[eternal_spirit]

Aliester Crowley, 33rd & 97th Degree Freemason, self proclaimed 666 Beast, taught human sacrafice, wicked Satan worshipper and master satanist of this century
Gerald B. Gardner, founder of the modern Wiccan (white witchcraft) revival
Dr. Wynn Westcott, member of the Societas Rosicruciana and founding member of the occult Order of the Golden Dawn
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, female co-freemason, wicked satanist, occult leader and co-founder of the Theosophical Society. Wrote occult classics entitled 'The Secret Doctrine' and 'Isis Unveiled' which state "It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God. Lucifer represents...Life...Thought...Progress...Civilizat ion...Liberty...Independance...Lucifer is the Logos...the Serpent, the Savior". I have recieved evidence that this book is issued inside Masonic Lodge libraries and is being read by Masons and will present the proof soon.

[eternal_spirit]

Initial List of 33rd Degree Masonshttp://www.whale.to/b/images/guildlogobar.gif

Albert Pike addressing the 23 Supreme Councils of the world on July 14, 1889:- "To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: 'the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. . ."

It is said that only two U.S. Presidents: Abraham Lincoln and John Kennedy, were not either Masons or elite members of affiliated bodies
(King) Umberto Agnelli
(Patriarch) Athenagoras I
Foster Bailey
Admiral G.W. Baird
Bernard Mannes Baruch
Harry L. Baum
John Wilkes Booth
John C. Breckinridge
George Herbert Walker Bush
Senator Byrd
Henry Clausen
William J. Clinton
Howell Cobb
Francesco Crispi
Aleister Crowley
Delmar Darrah
Morris B. de Pass
Richard DeVos (Amway)
Walt. Disney
Sen. Bob Dole
Gerald Rudolf Ford
(King) Frederick II
Giuseppe Garibaldi
Rev. Billy Graham
J.J.J. Gourgas
Manly P. Hall
Mark Hatfield
Jesse Helms
Christian A. Herter
J. Edgar Hoover
Col. Edward Mandell House
Jessie James
Rev. Jesse Jackson
Lyndon Baines Johnson
C. Fred Kleinknecht
Jack Kemp
Adriano Lemmi
Gen. Douglas MacArthur
Sir Henry MacMahon
Domenico Margiotta
Thurgood Marshall
James G. Martin
Karl Marx
(Baron) Yves Marsaudon
Joseph Mazzini
Lord Alfred Milner
Francoir Mitterand
Henry Morgenthau
G. Bromley Oxnam
Henry Palmerston
Albert Pike
Rev. Norman Vincent Peale
Roscoe Pound
(Gen.) Colin L. Powell
Joseph Rettinger
Harman Gansvort Reynolds
Marshall S. Reynolds
Oral Roberts
Franklin D.Roosevelt
Paul Rosen
James Rothschild
Jacob Schiff
James D. Shaw
Rev. Robert Schuller
Senator Simpson
Rudolph Steiner
R.W. Thompson
Harry Truman
Pierre G. Vassal
Paul Moritz Warburg
Earl Warren
George Warvelle
H.G. Wells
William Wynn Westcott
Earl Wheeler
Leo Wheeler
John Yarker
Franz Anton Mesmer, (javascript:if(confirm('http://members.aol.com/composite5/famous.htm \n\nThis file was not retrieved by Teleport Pro, because it is addressed on a domain or path outside the boundaries set for its Starting Address. \n\nDo you want to open it from the server?'))window.location='http://members.aol.com/composite5/famous.htm') practiced Mesmerism which led to Hypnotism


http://www.whale.to/b/33.html

[eternal_spirit]

has a look of prince charles wouldnt you say old jahbulon ?

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Now you mention it yes!:eek::D

[thelonious]

has a look of prince charles wouldnt you say old jahbulon ?


Actually, it doesn't have anything to do with "jahbulon" at all. The illustration comes out of a medieval grimoire called the Goetia, and symbolizes "the Goetic spirit Bael", who is said to appear as either "a man, a frog, a cat, or sometimes all at once!"

EDIT: Removed personal insult to another member.

[astral_girl]

Actually, it doesn't have anything to do with "jahbulon" at all. The illustration comes out of a medieval grimoire called the Goetia, and symbolizes "the Goetic spirit Bael", who is said to appear as either "a man, a frog, a cat, or sometimes all at once!"

EDIT: Removed personal insult to another member.

mmmmm what you on about -nazi sympthizer??:(

[lookfar]

mmmmm what you on about -nazi sympthizer??:(

Hi astral_girl:)

Sorry but I've had to edit your post to remove the personal insult from thelonious (which I edited out of the original post as you were replying).

Personal insults are against the forum guidelines, so it needed removing. Hope that's cool with you:)

[astral_girl]

Hi astral_girl:)

Sorry but I've had to edit your post to remove the personal insult from thelonious (which I edited out of the original post as you were replying).

Personal insults are against the forum guidelines, so it needed removing. Hope that's cool with you:)

no problem i understand

[howie]

thanks to one of the most prominent Crowley scholars for the following:

Charles Edward d'Arquires (formerly known as Randall Gair Doherty formerly known as Aleister Attaturk formerly known as Aleister Macalpine), b. 2 May 1937, Newcastle-on-Tyne, died on 20 November 2002 in Chalfont St Peter, Bucks. All of the above is from the death certificate, which has an incorrect date and year of birth (mistakenly giving 11 May 1939). His birth certificate gives the name as Randal Giair Doherty, with that odd spelling.



This may be why there is so many masonic satanist/paedophile rings in the North

[thelonious]

no problem i understand

See page 5 of the "Masons Tricks and Tactics" page on the "Illuminati / Secret Societies" page.

[skylark]

In the Years of the Primal Course, in the dawn of terrestial birth
Man mastered the mammoth and horse and man was the Lord of the Earth

He made him an hollow skin from the heart of an holy tree
He compassed the earth therein, and man was the Lord of the Sea

He controlled the vigour of steam and harnessed the lightning for hire;
He drove the celestial team and man was the Lord of the Fire

Deep-mouthed from their thrones deep-throated the choirs of aeons declare
The last of the demons defeated, for man is the Lord of the Air

Arise O man in thy strength! The kingdom is thine to inherit
Til the high gods witness at length THAT MAN IS LORD OF HIS SPIRIT:cool:

[skylark]

How many million galaxies there are
Who knows? and each has countless stars in it
And each rolls through eternities afar
Beneath the threshold of the infinite

How is it with all that space to roam
I should have found this mote that spins and leaps
In what unutterable sunlight, foam
Of what unfathomable starry deeps

Who knows? and how this thousand million souls
And half a thousand million souls on earth
That swarm, all bound for unimagined goals
All pioneers of death enrolled at birth

How were they swept away before my sight
That I might stand upon the single prick
Of infinite space and time as infinite
Who knows? but here I stand climactic

Having found you. Was it by fall of chance?
Then what a stake against what odds I have won!
Was it determined in God's ordinance?
Then wondrous love and pity for His Son!

Or was it part of an eternal Law?
Then how ineffably beneficient!
Each thought excites an ecstasy of awe
A rapture rending the mind's firmament

Infinity! yet you and I have met!
Eternity! yet hand in hand we run
All odds that I should lose you or forget,
But soul and spirit and body, we are One

Is this the child of Chance or Law or Will?
Is None or All or One to thank for this?
It will not matter if thanksgiving fill
The endless empyrean with a kiss

[skylark]

Life is a string of pearls
And you the first I strung
You left--first flower of girls
Life lyric on my tongue
An indefatiglible dance
An inexhaustable romance

Blush of love's dawn bright bud
That bloomed for my delight
First blossom of my blood,
Burn in my blood tonight!
Helena Helena fiercely fresh
Your flesh flies fervent to my flesh

What sage can dare impugn
Mans immortality?
Our godhead swims immune
From death and destiny,
Ignored the bubble in the flow
Of love eighteen short years ago

Time--I embrace all time
As my arm rings your waist
Space--you surpass sublime
As, taking me, we taste
Omnipotence, sense slaying sense,
Soul slaying soul, omniscience

[howie]

Patricia 'Diedre' McAlpine, mother of Ataturk
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1876/diedremcapline1995ml4.jpg

Aleister & son Aleister Ataturk
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3006/aleisterataturkns1.jpg

[marpat]

33° Mason, Aleister Crowley would definitely get some votes in the "most wicked man who ever lived contest" and is the clear cut favorite for the title of "The Father of Modern Satanism". Crowley's wicked life and his intimate association with Freemasonry are both well known.

Crowley himself was terribly decadent. A happily heroin-addicted, bisexual Satan worshiper, he asked people to call him "The Beast 666." Crowley believed that he was literally the antimessiah of the apocalypse.

During the first World War, Crowley transferred his activities to America. The press proclaimed him "the wickedest man in the world." He also spent time in Italy, but was expelled because Italian authorities accused his disciples of sacrificing human infants in occult rituals. According to one source, Crowley resided in the Abbey of Thelema near Cefalu Sicily, and revived ancient Dionysian ceremonies. During a 1921 ritual, he induced a he-goat to copulate with his mistress, then slit the animal's throat at the moment of orgasm.

WAS ALEISTER CROWLEY JUST A 'CLOSET' FREEMASON?

Aleister Crowley was very proud of all his accomplishments and connections. He bragged about all of the Masonic medals and insignia that he was entitled to wear.

This view was confirmed when The Arcane Schools of John Yarker came to me for review. I wrote to the author, who recognized my title to the 33° and conferred on me the grades of 95° Memphis and 90° Mizraim. It seemed as if I had somehow turned a tap. From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. I possess more exalted titles than I have ever been able to count. I am supposed to know more secret signs, tokens, passwords, grand words, grips, and so on, than I could actually learn in a dozen lives. An elephant would break down under the insignia I am entitled to wear.

Here we see 33° Aleister Crowley in all of his Masonic regalia:

PAST GRAND MASTER ALEISTER CROWLEY

FRATER SUPERIOR BAPHOMET XI°

CROWLEY'S DOCTRINE

We find in the next quotes, the 'doctrine' of Aleister Crowley from MAGICK in Theory and Practice, by The Master Therion (Aleister Crowley):

But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best.

The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony--thus, by sacrifcing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars. In such acase a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin--the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.

From The Book of the Law, by Aleister Crowley:

With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross......

There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.


Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord

ALEISTER CROWLEY WAS AN INTERNATIONAL MASON

Crowley was truly an international Mason. He received his 33° in Mexico City and spoke of participating in Masonic rituals in the United States and also was involved in other rites of Freemasonry. Not only was Crowley a 33° Grand Inspector General of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, but he was also involved in other rites of Freemasonry that went even deeper into the occult. The Rite of Memphis contained Masonic rituals with a definite Egyptian flavor.

By the end of 1910, thanks to my relations with the Grand Hierophant 97° of the Rite of Memphis (a post held after his death by Dr. Gerard Encausse ['Papus'], Theodor Reuss ['Merlin'], and myself), I was now a sort of universal inspector-general of the various rites, charged with the secret mission of reporting on the possibility of reconstructing the entire edifice, which was universally recognized by all its more intelligent members as threatened with the gravest danger.


You are too biased. A lot of stuff written about Crowley is negative propoganda. Happily heroin addicated? are you just stupid or what? if you read his works then you will find he battled with it for years. How many people in here are regular drug users? you will find a lof of people in here are drug addicts as has been ascertained in previous threads and even DI has used drugs.

Are you condeming him for being bisexual? you are a bigot. I would have though his anti-christian view would have went down well in here.

And for the claim of satanism you really need to get an idea of what is meant by stanism. If you read the threads in here you will find a lot of different opinions about what it actually is.

However if you want to believe wat you have written without actually looking at things with an impartial view then crack on, you robot.

[eternal_spirit]

You are too biased. A lot of stuff written about Crowley is negative propoganda. Happily heroin addicated? are you just stupid or what? if you read his works then you will find he battled with it for years. How many people in here are regular drug users? you will find a lof of people in here are drug addicts as has been ascertained in previous threads and even DI has used drugs.

Are you condeming him for being bisexual? you are a bigot. I would have though his anti-christian view would have went down well in here.

And for the claim of satanism you really need to get an idea of what is meant by stanism. If you read the threads in here you will find a lot of different opinions about what it actually is.

However if you want to believe wat you have written without actually looking at things with an impartial view then crack on, you robot.


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[marpat]

[QUOTE=eternal_spirit;351177],,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Another pointless post in your pointless life. No wonder your woman dumped you.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=eternal_spirit;351177],,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Another pointless post in your pointless life. No wonder your woman dumped you.

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http://osasto2.ninjatalo.com/wtf1.JPG

[thirdwave]

We see then, that we can never affect anything outside ourselves save only as it is also within us. Whatever I do to another, I also do to myself. If I kill a man, I destroy my own life at the same time...Every vibration awakens all others of its particular pitch - Aleister Crowley (Magick in Theory and Practice)

[marpat]

We see then, that we can never affect anything outside ourselves save only as it is also within us. Whatever I do to another, I also do to myself. If I kill a man, I destroy my own life at the same time...Every vibration awakens all others of its particular pitch - Aleister Crowley (Magick in Theory and Practice)


Strange that Crowley should quote that. Will have to read the book. If you read Liber Oz, the document that states the rights of people, he clearly states that a man has the right to kill anybody who tries to deny them their rights.

[eternal_spirit]

This may be why there is so many masonic satanist/paedophile rings in the North

Quote:
thanks to one of the most prominent Crowley scholars for the following:

Charles Edward d'Arquires (formerly known as Randall Gair Doherty formerly known as Aleister Attaturk formerly known as Aleister Macalpine), b. 2 May 1937, Newcastle-on-Tyne, died on 20 November 2002 in Chalfont St Peter, Bucks. All of the above is from the death certificate, which has an incorrect date and year of birth (mistakenly giving 11 May 1939). His birth certificate gives the name as Randal Giair Doherty, with that odd spelling.

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Yes, what better way to cover up truths, get authors who are part of the satanic networks too write glowing reports ( lies )

[eternal_spirit]

Another famous paedophile and Satanist in Britain is Lord McAlpine, the former treasurer of Heath’s Conservative Party, and executive of the McAlpine Construction empire. He also followed the late Jimmy Goldsmith as head of the Referendum Party in Britain which was created to hijack the groups opposing the European Union and lead them to glorious failure. McAlpine, who is heavily involved in a network of Brotherhood secret societies, including the Freemasons, has been publicly named as a paedophile by the investigative magazine, Scallywag.35
He was accused of having oral sex with an underage boy in 1965 and was formerly cautioned by Strathclyde Police for sexual offences against a minor. McAlpine was also named by one of the former residents at the Bryn Alyn Children’s Home in North Wales who said he was forced to have oral sex with him. The McAlpine family is one of the Elite bloodlines of Scotland, possibly connecting with the ancient Scottish king, Kenneth McAlpin.

The McAlpine family has a long history of Satanism in its ranks, as does the Scottish Keswick family. Both are part of a web which operates across the world into the Far East and Australia. A close friend of the McAlpines is Willie Whitelaw, a chairman of the Conservative Party. He was also Deputy Prime Minister to Margaret Thatcher, who was ‘minded’ by Whitelaw, the McAlpines, and Sir Geoffrey Howe, during her years as Prime Minister.

[thirdwave]

Strange that Crowley should quote that. Will have to read the book. If you read Liber Oz, the document that states the rights of people, he clearly states that a man has the right to kill anybody who tries to deny them their rights.




1. Man has the right to live by his own law--
to live in the way that he wills to do:
to work as he will:
to play as he will:
to rest as he will:
to die when and how he will.
2. Man has the right to eat what he will:
to drink what he will:
to dwell where he will:
to move as he will on the face of the earth.
3. Man has the right to think what he will:
to speak what he will:
to write what he will:
to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:
to dress as he will.
4. Man has the right to love as he will:--
"take your fill and will of love as ye will,
when, where, and with whom ye will." --AL. I. 51
5. Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.
"the slaves shall serve." --AL. II. 58

"Love is the law, love under will." --AL. I. 57



It is a contradiction... but I cant complain to much with either.. if we are talking extreme cases. In the MITAP book he talks about about the black brothers and how they go wrong...

[eternal_spirit]

Whitelaw was named as a leading Satanist by self-confessed Satanist, Derry Mainwaring-Knight, at Maidstone Crown Court in 1986. As usual, nothing was done about it.36
Mainwaring-Knight lived near East Grinstead, one of the centres of Satanism in England. In Scotland, a foremost Satanic centre is Loch Ness, near Inverness, the home, according to the legend, of the famous reptile, the Loch Ness monster. So what could these legends really be symbolic of? Aleister Crowley, the best known Satanist of the 20th century, had a house at Loch Ness and it was to this area that he came to perform some of his most powerful black magic rituals.

A rock formation near the loch called the Rock of Curses has been used by black magicians for hundreds of years and Crowley was particularly drawn to the energy emanating from a nearby mountain known as Mealfuorvonie.37

There is much more to the legend of the Loch Ness Monster than meets the eye and the same is true of other unidentified creatures like the so-called Bigfoot. Some Native American shamans believe that the entity which manifests as the Bigfoot can also appear as an aquatic monster or a panther because it has the ability to shape-shift.38

Over and over I have been told by survivors of how they were abused or programmed at the stately homes of the aristocracy or in rooms under the British Museum and other official buildings in London. Names of Conservative government ministers keep recurring in survivor’s accounts. Another paedophile is the former Leicester member of Parliament, Greville Janner, a vociferous campaigner for Jewish causes in Britain.

[damagedbrainn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaJ1yr-TwlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8d1Uxpe6go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQwlHUfU4s

[eternal_spirit]

1995 The French Alps A mass suicide of the Rosicrucian (http://usminc.org/rosicrucian.html) group calling itself The Order of the Solar Temple took place. The occult ritual suicide ocurred on the Winter Solstice, a time sacred to the sun god in Neopagan religions and (Thelema = Crowley ) On December 23, on a remote plateau of the French Alps police found 16 charred bodies arranged in a star formation with their feet pointing to the ashes of a fire. Like the rituals of 1994, they all died by stabbing, asphyxiation, shooting and/or poisoning. Their bodies were burned to a crisp as part of a "cleansing ritual

http://usminc.org/crime2.html

[thirdwave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaJ1yr-TwlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8d1Uxpe6go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQwlHUfU4s


thanks, that's a nice short and to the point interview... would love to pay that house a visit!

[damagedbrainn]

1995 The French Alps A mass suicide of the Rosicrucian (http://usminc.org/rosicrucian.html) group calling itself The Order of the Solar Temple took place. The occult ritual suicide ocurred on the Winter Solstice, a time sacred to the sun god in Neopagan religions and (Thelema = Crowley ) On December 23, on a remote plateau of the French Alps police found 16 charred bodies arranged in a star formation with their feet pointing to the ashes of a fire. Like the rituals of 1994, they all died by stabbing, asphyxiation, shooting and/or poisoning. Their bodies were burned to a crisp as part of a "cleansing ritual

http://usminc.org/crime2.html


And the goal of the Order of the Solar Temple was to prepare for the Second Coming of Jesus, and the murders/suicides began after the leader, Joseph Di Mambro, ordered the killing of one of the member's infants since Di Mambro believed that this baby was the Anti-Christ.

As usual, you leave out the parts that allude to Christianity.

[eternal_spirit]

And the goal of the Order of the Solar Temple was to prepare for the Second Coming of Jesus, and the murders/suicides began after the leader, Joseph Di Mambro, ordered the killing of one of the member's infants since Di Mambro believed that this baby was the Anti-Christ.

As usual, you leave out the parts that allude to Christianity.


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Have you a source for this? link ( No I never left nothing out first I've heard about the Christian link ) And I have posted other articles on these threads about how some members of the Christian Churches are also involved in Satanism.

[damagedbrainn]

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Have you a source for this? link ( No I never left nothing out first I've heard about the Christian link ) And I have posted other articles on these threads about how some members of the Christian Churches are also involved in Satanism.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_solar.htm
http://www.templarhistory.com/solar.html
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/solar_temple/1.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE6D91131F933A15752C1A9629582 60

And you have not posted anything about Christians committing murder, you only make excuses to deny that such things ever have occurred or continue to occur today. One of these excuses is the clearly biased and self-serving claim that any Christian who committs murder is "secretly" a Satanist, which, particularly in regard to the Order of the Solar Temple, is fucking dumb, because why would a group that supposedly worships Satan want to kill the Anti-Christ? Let me guess....that's just a "cover story."

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_solar.htm
http://www.templarhistory.com/solar.html
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/solar_temple/1.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE6D91131F933A15752C1A9629582 60

And you have not posted anything about Christians committing murder, you only make excuses to deny that such things ever have occurred or continue to occur today. One of these excuses is the clearly biased and self-serving claim that any Christian who committs murder is "secretly" a Satanist, which, particularly in regard to the Order of the Solar Temple, is fucking dumb, because why would a group that supposedly worships Satan want to kill the Anti-Christ? Let me guess....that's just a "cover story."

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Obviously a brainwashing cult of the christian variety. If they could do that to a baby that's brainwashed.


If you'd read the John Todd threads he became a Christian and he exposes satanism in some of the Christian churches also names the groups. There are enough stories about so called Christian priests etc who hold satanic rituals behind closed doors in the churches and if you followed all the links I post you'd find them. So, if they worship satan enough said.

Hear the one about the Masons ( they only do good deeds and charitable works :rolleyes:) people don't look for evil where they least expect to find it. A perfect cover ( wolf in sheep's clothing ya dee dah )

[eternal_spirit]

16Jul03 - Joan Miller - Wartime 'M''s wife - casualty of an occult misadventure
"Nothing is too bad to be incurable, too good to be hoped for; nothing too high to be attempted and nothing so precious that we cannot afford to give it away"- Joan Miller
from: One Girl's War, personal exploits in MI5's most secret section
by Joan Miller - 1986

[referring to Charles Henry Maxwell-Knight, 'M']

His first wife Gladys, I learnt, died in the Overseas Club after some sort of occult misadventure in which the notorious Aleister Crowley was involved - certainly I'd never been willing to enquire too deeply into that incident. Black magic was not a subject that held any attraction for me. I accepted M's interest in it, hoping it was purely acdemic, but, for myself, I preferred to leave it well and truly alone: M understood this. When I tore up a photograph of Aleister Crowley which he had kept, as I believed it to be unlucky, he only laughed.
from: One Girl's War, personal exploits in MI5's most secret section
by Joan Miller - p.45
Brandon book publishers, Dingle, Co. Kerry
ISBN 0 86322 089 4

http://www.bilderberg.org/sis.htm

[eternal_spirit]

You can practice the occult and black magic without reprecussions:rolleyes: and become a success in life. LaVey is perhaps the best example of why this is wrong. Even he couldn't do it. LaVey embraced the darkside (regardless of wether you believe it as a "Theistic Satanist" or an "Atheistic Satanist") and died bankrupt. Aleister Crowley borrowed many elements of Satanism to create Thelema. He started out as a wealthy hier to Crowley Ale and died a junkie in a flophouse. Not only Satanists, but occultists of all stripes, Agrippa, Dee, Kelly, Cagliostro, The Fox Sisters, Mathers, Franz Bardon, Austin O. Spare, etc., all died miserable and broke in the end. (See Famous Occultists (http://usminc.org/famous.html)page for more details.)

[damagedbrainn]

You can practice the occult and black magic without reprecussions:rolleyes: and become a success in life. LaVey is perhaps the best example of why this is wrong. Even he couldn't do it. LaVey embraced the darkside (regardless of wether you believe it as a "Theistic Satanist" or an "Atheistic Satanist") and died bankrupt. Aleister Crowley borrowed many elements of Satanism to create Thelema. He started out as a wealthy hier to Crowley Ale and died a junkie in a flophouse. Not only Satanists, but occultists of all stripes, Agrippa, Dee, Kelly, Cagliostro, The Fox Sisters, Mathers, Franz Bardon, Austin O. Spare, etc., all died miserable and broke in the end. (See Famous Occultists (http://usminc.org/famous.html)page for more details.)

Are you just gonna slowly post the entire contents of that whole site in three different threads?

[eternal_spirit]

1) There are now programming centres which have many different levels underground…this article says maybe seven or more different levels at one US base. I can envision it now –as you are programmed on the ‘Carousel’ and go down the levels, at each one you stop off at, you are able to see another load of idiots dressed as ‘greys’ or ‘lizards’ or whatever these sick minds can think up in terms of eugenics projects and the ‘alien agenda’. Probably far more effective in programming people than simply asking them to visualize the levels (as they did with my team) i.e. ‘ground’ it in reality but we are talking 2006 here and not 1980.
2) Why does the New World Order need these bases so far underground? Well, in view of their ‘four horsemen of the apocalypse’ agenda – which may go horribly wrong in terms of epidemics, earthquakes etc – they will need a place to hide until it is all over and safe enough to come out again.
3) Why does Casbolt think that M16 run the CIA? I imagine because ‘Alice in Wonderland’ was the first mind control programming script to be used by international intelligence services and therefore M16 were probably the first ones to start experimenting with mind control. The CIA followed this up with the Wizard of Oz. At Powergen, a mixture of the two was used on my team. Does the FBI use these scripts? No, but they know how to ‘break into’ or ‘crash’ any of them. So tell me again, who controls the lot then?
4) I am interested in the disgusting perversity of these so-called ‘aliens’ in liking to eat or absorb human glands. Human glands? The endocrinal system of the body – the basis of all homeopathy…the Chinese have been experimenting with this for thousands of years and guess who is homeopathy’s number one fan in the UK? Come on down Prince Charles, you old ‘lizard’ you.
5) Poor old Casbolt appears to think that he has been abducted, been in the presence of ‘aliens’ etc. What is the greatest cover or smokescreen for the use and abuse of people and children by the intelligence services? Why, all you have to do is to pretend to be an ‘alien’ and implant that suggestion in your victim’s mind so that if the memory erasure is not entirely effective, they will go around telling everyone that they were ‘abducted by aliens’. Good job this never worked on me or I would probably think of Andrew Marr as a ‘lizard man’ or ‘blue dinosaur’, ho, ho – in fact the exact type of dinosaur he told me to visualize was a ‘stegosaurus’. I saw a picture of this dinosaur recently (in a Guardian supplement) and immediately related it to the image which had been implanted (except that the dinosaur I had been told to visualize was bright blue and not grey) – Marr also mentions this exact type of dinosaur in his poetry. So no, I don’t think there are ‘small blue dinosaurs’ living in small town, suburbia - Solihull…
6) The question then to be posed is why the elaborate smokescreen concerning the ‘alien agenda’? Well, if I had had my child abducted by the military for experimentation, I would go down to that military base with whatever arms I could and try to force an entry…but would I be so bold or brave if I thought it was manned by alien creatures? A moot point, but I imagine that the whole ‘alien’ thing is to deter people from prying.
7) The information about Aleister Crowley in addition to the amount of children who have gone missing in Zennor, Cornwall (where he used to stay) suggest to me (and many other things in this article) that this is everything to do with the British Intelligence paedophile cult and very little to do with ‘aliens’.
8) The two young people who were found dead and mutilated, does not suggest to me ‘alien abduction’ but Masonic assassination rituals.
9) The UFO which terrified the South Americans suggests to me a prototype military aircraft which failed its first test.
10) The idea that the military is experimenting in terms of eugenics and genetics underground – is highly plausible. Maybe they are trying to create human/lizard hybrids i.e. creatures who have very primitive brains and can be controlled by fear easily. This does not make them ‘aliens’.



http://www42.websamba.com/richardtomlinson/20060805/tomlinson_v_mi6/2006/07/is_there_anothe.html

[thirdwave]

Are you just gonna slowly post the entire contents of that whole site in three different threads?

yep.

[marpat]

You can practice the occult and black magic without reprecussions:rolleyes: and become a success in life. LaVey is perhaps the best example of why this is wrong. Even he couldn't do it. LaVey embraced the darkside (regardless of wether you believe it as a "Theistic Satanist" or an "Atheistic Satanist") and died bankrupt. Aleister Crowley borrowed many elements of Satanism to create Thelema. He started out as a wealthy hier to Crowley Ale and died a junkie in a flophouse. Not only Satanists, but occultists of all stripes, Agrippa, Dee, Kelly, Cagliostro, The Fox Sisters, Mathers, Franz Bardon, Austin O. Spare, etc., all died miserable and broke in the end. (See Famous Occultists (http://usminc.org/famous.html)page for more details.)

You dont think it was LaVey who borrowed ideas from Crowley and changed them for his own use?

Why do they die bankrupt? the spirit is not one of material gain and it is generally accepted on the path that eventually one must renounce material possessions, so nothing new there. They came into the world with no wealth and left with none.
Although you mention all those occultist don't you think the same is true of many saints? jesus died penniless and in agony on a cross, and you just have to look at how many saints there are in history who have started out wealthy became poor and ended up getting killed, or dying in some tormented state of mind. Maybe you should read the history of the saint and see what they lived and died like.

You cannot practise any occultism with no repurcussions. I do not know anybody who actually would think that as it is accepted as fact that what you do eventually returns to you.

What you are trying to say is that all these people got into occultism thinking they could do what they like and not pay any price, but that they suffered by dying penniless. Your logic is absolute shite. You have no evidence to back this up. It is pure speculation. Have you read any biographies of these people you so freely cast judgement on? have your read any of their works with an impartial mind? I think your only reason for putting these sort of pathetic statements out is because you like to try and bait people and when it goes bad you resort to being offensive.

Why don't you come clean on this. You have some sort of hate thing going on with occultist don't you. What is it that happened to you all those years ago to create this backlash of hate? you got into the occult, which is a known fact, but you got scared and ran away, unable to bear the discipline and responsibility that it requires. Did something of an aukward physical nature happen to you?

[eternal_spirit]

LOL shoot the messenger ( against forum rules ) avoid the topic. Is this about me, or Crowley....

[eternal_spirit]

Are you just gonna slowly post the entire contents of that whole site in three different threads?

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No law stating I cant. I have a reason, it's a huge site, there's no way anyone's going to read through all or even half of it. If I post the odd bit in different "related on topic threads" the information will be viewed by more people and won't get lost amongst all the pro satanic spam on my threads.

Plus there's many other links and sources on this and my other threads. Also, sure you could come up with the goods and post some others links DB.

[damagedbrainn]

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No law stating I cant. I have a reason, it's a huge site, there's no way anyone's going to read through all or even half of it. If I post the odd bit in different "related on topic threads" the information will be viewed by more people and won't get lost amongst all the pro satanic spam on my threads.

Plus there's many other links and sources on this and my other threads. Also, sure you could come up with the goods and post some others links DB.

Actually, using three different threads, which are supposed to represent three different topics, to post the exact same things would generally be regarded as spamming. You have a thread called "Real Documented Satanic Murders", in which all these posts would fit....And then two other threads, one being about Crowley, the other being about the Church of Satan, in which you're posting the same shit.

In fact, every single thread you start in this section (and even some threads in other sections) end up covering this same ground. If you started a thread about Wicca, you would just end up posting these same news stories. How many threads do you need in order to cover the exact same ground?

[marpat]

LOL shoot the messenger ( against forum rules ) avoid the topic. Is this about me, or Crowley....


Well it's about both really. You keep putting things in the negative because it suits your purpose. By some of the things that have come from your mouth I would think that you are under the influence or some demonic force. Just look at all your NAZI raving, justifying the killing of Jews. Not the work of a good or compassionate man but more like the ravings of some qlippothic spirit.

[eternal_spirit]

Well it's about both really. You keep putting things in the negative because it suits your purpose. By some of the things that have come from your mouth I would think that you are under the influence or some demonic force. Just look at all your NAZI raving, justifying the killing of Jews. Not the work of a good or compassionate man but more like the ravings of some qlippothic spirit.

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More demonic lies from Marpat.
That's rich coming from a man who defends Satanism. Must be one of those Talmudic synogogue of Satan type Jews. And has used two demons recently for his avatar.

That's right use the ADL tactics and the Nazi label for about the 20 th time this week.

[marpat]

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More demonic lies from Marpat.
That's rich coming from a man who defends Satanism. Must be one of those Talmudic synogogue of Satan type Jews. And has used two demons recently for his avatar.

That's right use the ADL tactics and the Nazi label for about the 20 th time this week.


The fact is that Crowley did produce a lot of good work, which would be recognised by a lot of people in here who actually read the stuff with an unbiased mind.

I think his work on the rights of people speaks for what he stands for quite well. A lot of his stuff is also written tongue in cheek so you have to be careful about taking everything he says with absolute seriousness. He was quite a prankster!!!

How many times have I said I am not Jewish? you dont offend me by saying I am one because I actually have some respect for them.

Is there any evidence that Crowley worked for MI6/5? not sure but he would loved to have been given official recognition as he did have quite a big ego.

[eternal_spirit]

Tom Driberg, rent boys, Aliester Crowley, the KGB and MI5.

http://dutroux.blogspot.com/2006/01/tom-driberg-rent-boys-aleister-crowley.html

Tom Driberg is listed at number 461 in the top 500 lesbian and gay heroes in The Pink Paper, 7th. November, 1997, issue 506, page 15.

"Labour MP with a penchant for cottaging, rent boys and spying (on his own party for MI5), who managed to escape exposure on all counts. The policemen used to escort him from the loos of the Albert Embankment if there was an important vote going on in Parliament."

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From: http://www.redflame93.com/Driberg.html

Tom Driberg, His Life and Indiscretions by Francis Wheen (London: Chatto & Windus 1990 HB). Pg.11 asks a question about Driberg, "Can the man who in the 1920s was anointed by Aleister Crowley to succeed him as the Great Beast be the man who in the 1960s tried to persuade Mick Jagger to become a Labour MP?" Pgs.54-55 mentions the lunch with Crowley at the Eiffel Tower restaurant and how Driberg became Crowley's heir.

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From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PRdribergT.htm

Maxwell Knight, head of B5b, a unit that conducted the monitoring of political subversion, recruited Driberg as an agent for MI5. In 1941 Anthony Blunt (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SSblunt.htm) informed Harry Pollitt (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SSpollitt.htm) that Driberg was an informer and he was expelled from the Communist Party. Knight now suspected that his unit had been infiltrated by the KGB but it was not until after the war that MI5 discovered that Blunt was responsible for exposing Driberg.

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From: http://www.politicos.co.uk/item.jsp?ID=429
His was a glorious indulgent life that included a highly public wedding in 1951 just a few years after he had concluded an extravagant series of affairs with soldiers, sailors and airmen.

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From: http://www.crappublicschools.org/alumni/d/driberg.html

By far the best story (and one which may even be true) has him fellating Labour party icon Nye Bevan after a bibulous lunch...

Although Driberg avoided any public scandal during his lifetime, it appears that the Kremlin was able to blackmail him into becoming a KGB agent – codename Lepage – after one blowjob too many in Moscow.

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From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/446305.stm

The notoriously homosexual MP for Barking was a close friend of Guy Burgess and visited Moscow with him.

He was a supporter of Stalin and throughout his time in the Commons and later the Lords there were persistent rumours that he was a Soviet agent.

It is claimed it was during one visit to Moscow that the KGB used his habit of picking up men in public lavatories - known as cottaging - to trap him.

Allegedly he attempted to seduce a KGB man in the urinals behind the Metropole Hotel.

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From: http://myweb.lsbu.ac.uk/~stafflag/tomdriberg.html (http://myweb.lsbu.ac.uk/%7Estafflag/tomdriberg.html)

Driberg went as a day-boy to a local school called the Grange. It was here at the age of eleven where he began sexual experimentation with other boys...

(Driberg wrote the William Hickey column for the Daily Express.)

Tom Driberg wrote the column until 1943, but also did much travelling to cover major news stories.

In the autumn of 1935 he gave two unemployed miners a place with him in his bed, but when his hands began to wander the men went to report him at the local police station. On 12th. November 1935 Tom Driberg ended up in court at the Old Bailey on a charge of indecent assault, but he was found not guilty. His boss, Lord Beaverbrook (Max Aitken), ensured that there was no press coverage, although Tom Driberg had to go to see the editor of The News of the World. There may have been some reciprocal arrangement as Lady Astor had pleaded with Lord Beaverbrook to keep the homosexual charges against her son Bobbie Shaw out of the papers...

In about 1941 Tom Driberg was expelled from the Communist Party, although he was never told why. However, this turned out to be useful when he was campaigning to become an MP. In 1942 he was elected as an independent MP for Maldon in Essex. Three years later he held the seat as a Labour MP, and in 1950 he was elected as the Labour MP for Barking.

He had a lucky escape when caught with a Norwegian sailor in an air raid shelter in Edinburgh. Fortunately the policeman was an avid reader of the William Hickey column and let him off. In fact the policeman and Tom Driberg became friends and exchanged letters...

In 1949 the Labour Party conference elected him to the National Executive Committee, and he was re-elected every year from 1950 to 1972...

In 1956 Tom Driberg was temporarily out of Parliament and was working more or less full-time as a journalist. He travelled to Moscow to see the spy Guy Burgess (http://myweb.lsbu.ac.uk/%7Estafflag/guyburgess.html) to get the story of his disappearance from London with Donald Maclean. The story appeared in Guy Burgess: A Portrait with Background.

Tom Driberg was chair of the Labour Party in 1957-58.

In 1965 he was appointed as a Privy Counsellor.

He had been an MP for thirty years when he retired in February 1974.

In 1975 he was made a life peer and became Lord Bradwell.

[marpat]

Tom Driberg, rent boys, Aliester Crowley, the KGB and MI5.......

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Come on, can you please keep it clear and to the point. I dont want to read loads of links that might not be relevant but if you have something pertinent then just state it. Are there any real links in the subject or is it conjecture? I would be very interested.

Dont want to sound rude but your posts are sometimes like War and Peace, too long.

[eternal_spirit]

No one knows for certain what texts/books are the originals written by AC, how much has been added taken away etc. You're basing your view on faith if you think your getting the original texts.
Besides, much of what's out there about AC and the occult is pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo, served with a large portion of tripe, and it's meant to confuse you and have no or little results.

[marpat]

No one knows for certain what texts/books are the originals written by AC, how much has been added taken away etc. You're basing your view on faith if you think your getting the original texts.
Besides, much of what's out there about AC and the occult is pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo, served with a large portion of tripe, and it's meant to confuse you and have no or little results.

But you have to agree with the fact that a lot of what is written about Crowley has been written by his enemies and critics. Because of this you cannot just trust what anybody says on the subject, yo have to look into why they use certain viewpoints. Any of his rivals would not give him any good credit. He was a staubch advocate of individual liberty, just read Liber Oz for a basic idea.

I have read many of his books and a lot of it is based on sound, solid fact. He has a lot of genuine scientific knowledge which he applies to hit self study. look at the work he did with drugs when experimenting on himself and recording detailed accounts what had happened. A lot of work that passes in this forum is of far poorer quality than is shown by Crowley in his works.

A lot of people consdier him to be a great poet also, a creative genius.

My feeling is that his work is not mean to confuse but that this occurs because people do not look at what he says in the right context. Some of his books need a key to understanding. Too many people think he is all about sex and drugs and satanism but if you read his books then it is clear that there is just so much more. Perhaps he uses such a negative image to test the will of those who just intend to dabble with what he has to offer. A real, unbiased student will get beyond the superficial gloss and when they look at the principles of what he writes they will find he has some really good stuff.

I don't hero worship the man. I have read many books and he was not perfect, a long way off, but in this world wh is perfect.

Have you read many books by Crowley? I have read loads so I have a good idea what he stands for.

Why do you think I base my views on faith, can you elaborate or perhaps enlighten me on this?

Can you list any of his stuff that is tripe as you call it, and I will give yo my opinion on it? we might agree we might not.

[eternal_spirit]

KilgoreTrouthttp://www.gravatar.com/avatar/4411eb31a0a52bfcac4f733fabf1c46a?rating=X&default=http://use.perl.org/images/pix.gif // Mar 4, 2008 at 6:57 pm As a side note, Ian Flemming once suggested that Aleister Crowley could help MI5 with fake astrological charts to feed disinformation.



http://skepchick.org/blog/?p=1069

[eternal_spirit]

quote : marpat

Why do you think I base my views on faith, can you elaborate or perhaps enlighten me on this?
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What I meant was you don't know if the books allegedly written by Crowley contain all the original text, parts removed parts added, or even schock horror ( some may not even have been written by him ) This is faith to accept you're getting the full original version of said Crowley texts/books.

[eternal_spirit]

ARMADO "CROWLEY" IS A FRAUD? ( man who claims to be a son of Aleister )



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THE SECRETS OF ALEISTER CROWLEY by Amado Crowley (Diamond Books, Leatherhead, 1991 ) £5.99
Reviewed by Gerald Suster
For all connoisseurs of the idiotic, here is a wonderful opportunity to waste £5.99 on a completely fatuous book. It is badly written and atrociously reasoned, yet those with a perverse sense of humour might find it funny in its uniquely appalling way.
Amado Crowley claims to be an illegitimate son of Aleister Crowley, born on 26th January 1930 as a result of a magical operation Uncle Aleister conceived in 1928 because `the family business needed a successor': one hopes that the author isn't referring to Crowley's Ales. It is not impossible that Amado is one of the Beast's many biological bastards; if so, he is an absolute disgrace to the noble name of Crowley. This claim aside, Amado has managed to write a poorly conceived and executed work of fantasy fiction.
I met Amado in the mid-Seventies. We corresponded. Despite his claims in this book that he has only now `come out', he was then visiting magical groups as a self-proclaimed `Master' and publishing a monumentallly boring magazine called Liber Lucis in which he wittered on about nothing in particular, continuosly praised his own sense of humour and failed even to make one laugh. He assured me that Gerald Yorke, ex-disciple of Crowley, later the Dalai Lama's Representative in the West and always a zealous collector of Crowley's papers, recognised Amado as Crowley's Magical Son. Naturally I wrote to Yorke, who was always so kind and helpful to me, and Yorke said that he didn't.
Amado failed to collect me as one of the many disciples he so clearly wanted. However, my old colleague of that time, Pete Carroll of Chaos Magick fame, gave Amado a chance and visiced him at his then home in Southampton. Mr.Carroll proceeded to discover that Amado was more generally known as `Mike', a Southampton Poly lecturer in Psychology, that he had nothing to teach in practical terms and preferred to watch TV while eating Chinese take-away food. I have never forgotten Pete Carroll's righteous indignation over a wasted weekend. He's been anti-Thelema ever since.
Amado claims in his book that Aleister taught him between the ages of 7 and 14: i.e.1937-1944. If so, why isn't there a single mention of this vital matter in Crowley's Diaries? There he records matters as trivial as the breaking of a tooth or the quality of his dinner: but he does not see fit to record meetings with an initiation of a son destined to be his successor. Pass the sick-bag, Alice.
In the gift of his improving discourse to his 'son', Crowley criticised the American involvement in Vietnam, a remarkable feat for a man who died in 1947. Crowlev also holds Amado's hand as he walks him off a cliff and they both levitate before a pair of nuns: a featwhich Crowley admitted to be beyond his capacities. We, the readers, are expected to believe Amado's account of a visit by MI5 to Crowley - perfectly possible- at which a little child was present: i.e.Amado. According to little Amado, aged 10 , he accompanied Aleister and MI5 to a Secret Service HQ beneath Downing Street to hear briefing from its Chief Admiral so as to conduct a Magick Rite in Ashdown Forest, its purpose being to bring Rudolf Hess to Britain, an action which had no effect on the conduct of the Second World War whatsoever. Can this sort of childish nonsense go further? Yes it can: and it does so in Amado's book.
Most people can remember roughly the main events which occurred between the ages of 7 and 14. Amado can't. It is odd. He recites in the minutest detail conversations with Crowley as if they'd happened yesterday, yet he is incapable of recalling the slightest detail of where Crowley was living. With the pride of a seven year old, he recounts how he helped Crowley to compose Liber Fulgar. He quotes Crowley as declaring that by it: '...heroes will brandish their lances at the heavens to capture the power thar will transmute them into burning ones. Men who are afire and can be seen across eternitv'. Amado's response.'· `I don't think I dare throw it away, but I daren't look at it again, either. It has just got dry and dusty tor over half a century'. Roll up! Roll up!
Thelemites, serious Magicians, Qabalists and otherwise intelligent men and women will no doubt be intrigued to learn that according to Amado, THE BOOK OF THE LAW was merely `a red herring'. Marvellous, isn't it? Aleister Crowley fought against this work for years, then accepted it as the spine of his life, then spent the rest of his life studying it and advancing it in his published and unpublished writings: and Amado informs us that he dismissed it lightly as `a red herring'. Jolly good, Amado: what other delights do you have for us? Ah, apparently the real truths are to be found in The Book of Desolation of which there is unfortunately only one copy and this is in the possession of - yes! you've guessed it! - Amado.
Stylistically, Amado is a very bad writer. He manages to achieve the impossible, which is to make Aleister Crowley a dull subject: even John Symonds and Colin Wilson couldn't manage that one. His facts are inaccurate and his logic incoherent. He also suffers from a disconcerting paranoia. Time and time again he assures the reader that sinister conspiracies headed by the Freemasons are after him. The poor chap does not appear to realise that Aleister Crowlev was a 33°Freemason in the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite: and that secondly, no one in power would want to bother with a twit like him, anyway.
Amado's ignorance takes one's breath away for about one minute.Amado asserts that Crowley met Rasputin in St.Petersberg 1897-8, for instance. This is arrant nonsense. If Aleister Crowley had done so, he would have recorded the matter. Secondly, Rasputin, as a cold matter of fact was at that time living in Povroskoe, Siberia, and having drinks on occasion with my Great Uncle whenever the latter visited. Amado gets the Crowley-Gurdjieff relationship wrong too. These two excellent men met once for about 30 minutes and got on quite well: the meeting was witnessed bv Gerald Yorke. Amado refers to the Golden Dawn XI° operation; there's no such thing. That one is OTO. Amado declares that `symbolic levels of meaning' are explained in AC's letters to Cara Soror, later published as Magick Without Tears. This work does not deal with `symbolic levels of meaning': it's plain as paint. Moreover, Cara Soror is not the name of some exotic female disciple. It is simply Latin for `Dear Sister....'
Amado gives an intriguing account of his initiation by Uncle Aleister in 1944. He does not explain why his `father', who never once mentioned this alleged commitment, teaching and initiation in his Diaries, chose to abandon him when he had three more years to live during which he often complained that he lacked poor company. Amado claims that he visited his `father, in Hastings: Crowley did not live there until 1945.
One has to commend Amado for at least defending Aleister Crowley, but his defence is so inept and his comments on hostile books so witless that one wonders if he's just very stupid or in need of medical care. He has done Aieister Crowley all the harm in his power - by writing for him. Don't buy this stupid book: borrow it from a friend, as I have done; for with friends like this to Crowley, he doesn't need enemies.
What Amado `Crowley' needs is Monty Python's Colonel to say simply: `Right. You can stop that. It's silly.'


http://www.montaukproject.com/_disc1/000021d3.htm

[marpat]

quote : marpat

Why do you think I base my views on faith, can you elaborate or perhaps enlighten me on this?
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What I meant was you don't know if the books allegedly written by Crowley contain all the original text, parts removed parts added, or even schock horror ( some may not even have been written by him ) This is faith to accept you're getting the full original version of said Crowley texts/books.

Yes, you are right but you could say that about any book in existence, even if the writer said it was 100% genuine. In this respect so much of what people learn in the would is based on faith. The only thing you will ever know for certain are the things you witness yourself and even then this may not be accurate depending on your state of mind.

From your stand point every bit of information that you read is a faith based experience until you actually encounter a situation in which those ideas are made manifest before your very eyes. Only then can you be certain.

I am not trying to knock you here but when you post a lot of links quoting information about satanism, etc. then you are basically saying that to agree with such things is a matter of faith, would you agree? I am just trying to get your perspective.

I think I have heard of the fake astrology charts before. A good book that sees both sides of the man is called ' The Eye in the Triangle' by Israel Regardie. Don't let the title or name put you off it really is a good read.

I must say I have never felt the urge to read the book by Amado Crowley. I don't think anybody I know has even shown interest in it. He was probably just trying to cash in on a famous name

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.peacockangel.net/images/asanders.jpgI was in for a surprise when Alex Sanders offered to show me his Wiccan temple. I was visiting the famous magician and self-styled King of the Witches at his cottage in the Old Town at Bexhill-on-Sea, in Sussex, in 1978, to interview him for a national magazine. He was pleasant and amusing and we'd already had a couple of drinks at his favourite nearby pub, The Bell.
‘This is where it all happens,’ he said with a mischievous smile as he opened the door to the temple. Remarkably, I found it was furnished almost completely with Christian items, including statues of Christ and the Virgin Mary.

‘Even some witches have told me it’s blasphemous to practise witchcraft in what looks like a Christian chapel‚’ he said. ‘But for me, Christ represents the Sun God and Mary the Earth Mother. Christianity and witchcraft may seem very different, but underneath they have a lot in common. I didn't deliberately gather all these Christian objects, I might add. It was quite strange. Soon after I moved in here, over a short period various people suddenly started offering them to me. Others were mysteriously left in the garden. It was as if some higher power had decreed that's how my temple should be.’

At the time, Alex, then aged 52, had a partner who was a young male civil servant.
'I love him utterly,’ he maintained. 'He was married to a beautiful girl, but she didn't stand a chance against me. He was dressed as a skinhead when I first met him four years ago, with the regulation shaven head, bovver boots and turned-up jeans. Today, he is a presentable young man. Women give me fulfillment, but I find happiness with men.'

His well known bi-sexuality, it's suggested, may have resulted from an experience as a boy with the infamous occultist and reputed 'Wickedest Man in the World', Aleister Crowley.
Sanders had been initiated as a witch, he claimed, at aged just seven, by his witch grandmother, Mary Bibby, whom he had chanced on standing naked in the kitchen in a circle drawn on the floor.

'She ordered me to strip naked and enter the circle,’ he recalled. ‘She carried out a ritual and then on her instructions, as I bent down with my head between my thighs she nicked my scrotum with a knife and said “You are one of us now.” She later gave me her Book of Shadows to copy into my own and taught me all the rites'.

At ten, she took him to London to meet Aleister Crowley, whom she knew.
'She left me with Crowley for the night and he carried out some of his sex magic with me,’ said Alex. 'It wasn't a very nice experience. To me, as a young boy, he was just a horrible, smelly, old man. Before I left he tattooed his “mark of the beast” on my hand. It's still there. It hardly
turned me off sex though. At one time when I was still in London with my second wife, Maxine, I also had two mistresses and nine male lovers. It's a much quieter life here in Bexhill-on-Sea. My current coven is only five-strong and just one of them is a woman.'

Outrageous and a born showman as he was, Alex Sanders has to be credited with publicising modern witchcraft and, indeed, founding in the 196Os its flourishing Alexandrian branch of Wicca to rival the existing Gardnerian of Gerald Gardner. Although some of his magic was 'grey’, he insisted to me that most of it was 'white’, often aimed at healing people. He told me that
while at Bexhill he had helped a number of drug addicts to get off heavy drugs and cured a woman of cystitis by simply placing his hands on her head and 'willing her illness away'.
He also claimed to have used magic to help women with fertility problems and people just having trouble getting a job.

But with a wicked grin he did admit that on occasion he got rid of people's warts by magically transferring them to somebody else he didn't like. His favourite targets for this, he revealed, were passing traffic wardens! And friends maintained that he had only to whistle the funeral march at someone who had upset him to have them in hospital within the week.

(*Jack Pleasant adds: ‘I came to be fond of Alex Sanders and to consider him an entertaining friend. It pleased him when on occasion, I called on him bearing a bottle of the appalling, to my taste, cheap, sweet, white Spanish wine that he enjoyed. I missed him when he died in 1988, choosing the significant Wiccan date to pass on to the Summerlands of April 3Oth -
Beltane Eve.')

http://www.peacockangel.net/sanders.htm

[marpat]

http://www.peacockangel.net/images/asanders.jpg[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]I was in for a surprise when Alex Sanders offered to show me his Wiccan temple. I was visiting the famous magician and self-styled King of the Witches at his cottage in the Old Town at Bexhill-on-Sea, in Sussex, in 1978, to interview him for a national magazine. He was pleasant and amusing and we'd already had a couple of drinks at his favourite nearby pub, The Bell.......
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Big post but what point are you making? like you said before you can never be sure of source documents and that applies even more so on the internet. Do you trust the contents of this document on faith? just another person slagging Crowley off by implying he is a pedophile. Nice to accuse a dead person who cannot speak for themselves.

[eternal_spirit]

1986 Denver, Colorado- Dana Jones is arrested for the murder of a fellow cult member on Feb. 2nd, the Neopagan holiday of Imbolc. Jones tells police she and her lesbian lover were members of the Argentinum Astrium...a "sex magic" cult founded by Aleister Crowley in 1907, after he got kicked out of the Golden Dawn. Police found an altar, ritual daggers, occult books (most written by Crowley) inside the basement of the house. An autopsy revealed that the victim had injested blood while still alive that was not his own, meaning he had participated in a blood drinking occult ritual. Apparently the ritual took a turn he wasn't expecting. Acquitted on grounds of insanity and confined to a state hospital, Jones escapes in June 1988, with aid from a sympathetic nurse on the staff, and fled to New Mexico. She shortly commited suicide afterwards.

http://usminc.org/crime3.html

[eternal_spirit]

SCIENTOLOGY: Revealed for the first time. . .
The odd beginning of Ron Hubbard's career
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above: "In 1946 Aleister Crowley (left), the sorcerer and mystic whose dabblings in black magic earned him the title The Wickedest Man in the World, found a new disciple and welcomed him to one of his occult communities in California. The extraordinary activities of this new and enthusiastic disciple are described in a vast collection of papers owned by a former admirer of Crowley which we have examined. The man in question is Lafayette Ron Hubbard (right), head of the now notorius Church of Scientology."
JOHN WHITESIDE Parsons, a brilliant rocket fuel scientist, joined the American branch of Crowley's cult in 1939. He struck up earnest correspondence with "The Beast 666," as Crowley was known by his followers, and soon became his outstanding protégé in the United States. By January, 1946, Parsons was impatient to break new frontiers in the occult world. He decided to take the spirit of Babalon, the "whore of Babylon," and invest it in a human being.
But to carry out this intricate mission Parsons needed a female sexual partner to create his child in the astral (spiritual) world. If this part of the fixture went successfully Parsons would be able to call down the spiritual baby and direct it to a human womb. When born, this child would incarnate the forces of Babalon. During his magical preparations for this incarnation Parsons found himself overwhelmed with assistance from a young novitiate named Ron Hubbard.
Parsons write to Crowley at the beginning of 1946. "He (Hubbard) is a gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become great friends. Although he has no formal training in magic he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. Ron appears to have some sort of highly developed astral vision. He describes his angel as a beautiful winged woman with red hair whom he calls the Empress and who has guided him through his life and saved him many times." He concluded almost ecstatically, "He is in complete accord with our own principles. I have found a staunch companion and comrade in Ron."
But within two months the bonds of friendship were under some strain: Ron claimed Parsons girlfriend, Betty. With admirable restraint Parsons wrote to Crowley, "She has transferred her sexual affection to Ron. I cared for her rather deeply but I have no desire to control her emotions." As if to cement their loyalties Parsons, Hubbard and Betty decided to pool their finances and form a business partnership.
Meanwhile preparations for the mystical mission were well under way. From January 4 to 15, 1946, Parsons and Hubbard engaged in a nightly ritual of incantation, talisman-waving and other black magic faithfully described in Parsons diary as Conjuration of Air, Invocation of Wand and Consecration of Air Dagger. With a Prokofiev violin concerto blaring away the two of them pleaded with the spirits for "an elemental mate" -- a girl willing to go through sexual rites to incarnate Babalon in the spirit world.
Parson mentions that windstorms occurred on a couple of nights and one night the power supply failed. But nothing seriously responsive until January 14, when Ron was struck on the right shoulder and had a candle knocked out of his hand. "He called me," Parsons wrote, "and we observed a brownish yellow light about seven feet high. I brandished a magical sword and it disappeared. Ron's right arm was paralyzed for the rest of the night.
The following night was even more portentious. Hubbard apparently saw a vision of one of Parsons' enemies. Parsons wrote, "He attacked the figure and pinned it to the door with four big throwing knives with which he is expert." For four days Parsons and Hubbard were in a state of tension. Then, on January 18, Parsons turned to Ron and said, "It is done." He added, "I returned home and found a young woman answering the requirements waiting for me."
The incarnation ritual set out in Parsons' manuscript, The Book of Babalon, is difficult reading for the unconfirmed spiritualist. Broadly interpreted, Parsons and Hubbard constructed an altar and Hubbard acted as high priest during a series of ceremonies in which Parsons and the girl shared sex. The owner of the documents, who is an expert on Crowley's magic, says that Parsons at this stage was completely under Hubbard's domination. How else can one explain Hubbard's role as High priest in the rites after only a few weeks in the trade?
For the first of the birth ceremonies which began on March 1 Hubbard wore white and carried a lamp while Parsons
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above: PARSONS, the AntiChrist
was cloaked in a black, hooded garment carrying a cup and dagger. At Hubbard's suggestion they played Rachmaninoff's Isle of the dead as background music.
Parsons account of the start of the birth ritual is as follows: "The Scribe (Hubbard) said, 'The year of babalon is 4063. She is the flame of life, power of darkness, she destroys with a glance, she may take thy soul. She feeds upon the death of mean. beautiful -- horrible.' The scribe, now pale and sweating rested awhile, then continued." There are two possible reasons why Hubbard showed anxiety at this stage of the ceremony, the owner of the papers says. He was either deeply moved by the spiritual depth of the ceremony or he couldnt think what to say next.
Hubbard further instructed Parsons: "display thyself to our lady; dedicate thy organs to her; display thy mind to her; dedicate thy soul to her, for she shall sbsorb thee. Retire from human contact until noon tommarro. Speak not of this ritual. Discuss nothing of it. Consult no book but thine own mind. Thou art a god. Behave at this alter as one before another."
On the third day the ritual began four hours before dawn. Ron tells his companion, "lay out a white sheet. Place upon it blood of birth. Envision her approaching thee. Think upon the lewd, lascivious things thou coulds't do. All is good to Babalon. All. Preserve the material basis. Thus lust is hers, the passion yours. Consider thou the Beast raping." These invocations along with other passages in the ritual indicates that Parsons had collected specimens of his own sperm and the girls menstrual fluid.
The climax of the ceremony occurred the following day with Ron at he altar working his two subjects into a sexual frenzy. Over Rachmaninoff he intoned such gems as:
Her mouth is red and her breasts are fair and her loins are full of fire,

And her lust is strong as a man is strong in the heat of her desire.
An exalted Parsons wrote the next day, "Babalon is incarnate upon the earth today awaiting the proper hour of her manifestation. And in that day my work will be accomplished and I shall be blown away upon the breath of the father even as it is prophecied." (In fact, Parsons was "blown away" in a rocket experiment laboratory in Pasadena in 1952.)
Unable to contain his joy, Parsons decided to tell Crowley what had happened. On March 6 he wrote, "I can hardly tell you or decide ho much to write I am under command of extreme secrecy. I have had the most important, devastating experience of my life." Crowley was dumbfounded by the news of the incarnation ceremony. He wrote back, "You have me completely puzzled by your remarks. I thought I had the most morbid imagination but it seems I have not. I cannot form the slightest idea what you can possibly mean>"
With a distinct note of concern he dashed off a letter on the same day to the head of his American cult saying, "Apparently Parsons or Hubbard or somebody is producing a Moonchild (http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/index.htm#moonchild). I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts." (This acid rebuke comes from a man whose activities were once summed up by a judge like this: "I have never heard such dreadful, horrible, blasphemous and abominable stuff as that which has been produced by the man who describes himself as the greatest living poet.")
By May that same year Crowley was not only concerned about Parsons spiritual well-being. There was a smaller matter of certain moneys. When the trio formed their business enterprise, Parsons is believed to have put in 17,000 dollars, Hubbard about 1,000 dollars, and Betty nothing. Using about 10,000 dollars of he money, Hubbard and his newly acquired girlfriend, Betty, bought a yacht. A report to the head of the American branch by another cult member says, "Ron and Betty have their boat at Miami, Florida, and are living the life of Riley, while Brother John (Parsons) is living at rock bottom and I mean rock bottom.
In a more sinister way, the report added: "Let is consider this matter of the magical child which Jack Parsons is supposed to turn loose on the world in nine months (now seven). Ron, the Seer, was the guy who laid down the main ideas, technic (sic), etc., of said operation."
On reading Parson's accounts of the ceremony and the reports from branch headquarters in America, Crowley cabled his U S office on May 22: "Suspect Ron playing confidence trick -- Jack Parsons weak fool -- obvious victim prowling swindlers." In a letter a few days later he said, "It seems to me on the information of our brethren in California that Parsons has got an illumination in which he lost all his personal independence. From our brother's account, he has given away both his girl and his money . Apparently it is the ordinary confidence trick."
A much-chastened Parsons wrote to Crowley on July 5, "Here I am in Miami pursuing the children of my folly. I have them well tied up. They cannot move without going to jail. However, I am afraid that most of the money has already been spent. I will be lucky to salvage 3,000 to 5,000 dollars." Just how Parsons managed to capture the errant lovers is in keeping with the other extraordinary chapters of this story. "Hubbard attempted to escapeme," Parsons wrote, "by sailing at 5 p.m. and performed a full invocation to the Bartzabel within the circle at 8 p.m. (a curse). At the same time, however, his ship was struck by a sudden squall off the coast which ripped off his sails and forced him back to port where I took the boat in custody."
Parsons recovered financially and possibly as a backlash to his experience with Hubbard, he took the Oath of the AntiChrist in 1948 and changed his name to Belarion Armiluss Al Dajjal AntiChrist. In his scientology publications Hubbard says of the period, "Crippled and blinded at the end of the war I resumed studies of philosophy and by my discoveries recovered so fully that I was reclassified in 1949 for full combat duty."
Hubbard claims that more than two dozen thinkers, prophets and psychologists influenced scientology (which he launched in 1951); everyone from Plato, Jesus of Nazareth to Sigmund Freud whom he says he studied under in Vienna. The record can now be righted with the inclusion of Aleister Crowley, the Beast, 666.
Alexander Mitchell
Images of original article PAGE 1 (http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/images/image1/5oct69-revealed-crowley-hubbard-01.jpg)- PAGE 2 (http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/images/image1/5oct69-revealed-crowley-hubbard-02.jpg)
Related links. . .
Clearwater Sun, May 16, 1984
Hubbard used Black Magic (http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews/clearwatersun/hubbard-affirmations-may16-1984.htm)
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/images/image1/crowleyscrossedoutcross-thumb.jpg
Scientology and the Occult (http://www.lermanet2.com/scientology-and-occult/)
"These cults, from those connected with George Ivanovitch, Gurdjieff, Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, and Rudolf Steiner to their present reincarnations, shared certain features: an authoritarian obedience to a charismatic and Messianic leader; secrecy; loyalty to the group above all other ties, a belief in supernatural possibilities open to members only, a belief in reincarnation; initiation into superhuman sources of power; literal acceptance of the myth of ancient "giants" or supermen who handed down an oral tradition to a chosen people and who were guiding us now; and, in uncommon cases, Satanic practices." "The Nazi's and the Occult 1977, by Dusty Sklar"
....and from Chapter 5: "Riffraff into Supermen"
"The nationalist socialists derived power from one source: ...a fanatical autohypnosis (http://www.lermanet2.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist.htm) which convinced disciples, succumbing to the totalitarian discipline in the promise of reaching transcendent reality, that they were the new men the age was waiting for.. ..that they were endowed with a secret energy which would enable them to take over germany and the world. If they were properly prepared, mysteries would be revealed to them which would give them Satanic powers.." from Gods and Beasts - The Nazi's and the Occult, by Dusty Sklar (c) 1977 isbn 0-690-01232-2
Webmaster Comment: Those familiar with Scientology will recognize how similar the promises made to entice would be members into the National Socialists were to what Hubbard promises it's own members... L Ron Hubbard (http://www.lermanet2.com/LRonHubbard4.htm) says that people are all "THETANS" - if you say SATAN with a lisp it comes out THETAN
L Ron Hubbard's son said, in his 1983 interview with Penthouse Magazine: (http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.htm)
"L Ron Hubbard Jr., ( Ron DeWolf ): I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology -- and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan."

[lizzy]

Big post but what point are you making? like you said before you can never be sure of source documents and that applies even more so on the internet. Do you trust the contents of this document on faith? just another person slagging Crowley off by implying he is a pedophile. Nice to accuse a dead person who cannot speak for themselves.

LOL, your really loosing your nasty touch, :D:D:eek: Is this the best hypocracy you can do today,LOL:D:D

watch it , you might get the sack,LOL

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.lermanet2.com/scientology-and-occult/crowleyscrossedoutcross.jpg
Scientology and the Occult
"The magical cults of the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th centuries in the Middle East were fascinating. The only modern work that has anything to do with them is a trifle wild in spots, but is a fascinating work in itself, and that's the work of Aleister Crowley - the late Aleister Crowley - my very good friend."
Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course, Lecture 18, "Conditions of Space-Time-Energy."
In 1950, L Ron Hubbard wrote the book "Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health." In 1952, the term "Scientology" was introduced. Corporate status was received by Scientology in 1954 in California. Since that time, "Scientology" has been repeatedly questioned for it's bogus claims (http://www.religionnewsblog.com/5874-.html) of medical healing and unexplained deaths. (http://www.whyaretheydead.net/)
Dianetics and Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard's personal references as a "war hero," (http://www.lermanet.com/L_Ron_Hubbard/) or "nuclear physicist," (http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/Scien32.html) are just a few of Scientology's false claims to recruit the unknowing.
Scientology didn't begin "acting" like, or operating as a "church" until 1969, when they were engaged in litigation with the FDA. Hubbard began issuing policies to members such as in Hubbard Communication Policy Letter of 12 February 1969:

"All Orgs are now Churches; Stationary is to reflect fact that orgs are churches; All public literature must state that Scn is religious." It also states, "This may or may not be publically acceptable. This is NOT the point. It is a requisite defense." Hubbard Organization Executive Course,
(1969 version) Volume 6, Page 119
Members (http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard2.htm) carried "crossed out crosses" into their establishments and were told to wear ministerial collars. "Alternative mental health and medicine" was now "healing." L Ron Hubbard avoided the exposure of the fraudulent medical practices of "Scientology" by becoming a so-called "church."
Many of the methods and ideology that Hubbard used in Scientology are taken from other sources. (http://www.lermanet.com/sources.htm) The mixture of using different teachings has long been associated to include the occult, (http://www.spaink.net/cos/essays/atack_occult.html) since it is a known fact that L Ron Hubbard was familiar with the writings of "black magician," Aleister Crowley's work since Hubbard was a teen. (http://www.watchman.org/sci/hubmagk2.htm)
Crowley, a self-declared "beast" and "anti-Christ," once headed the British "Ordo Templi Orientis," (OTO) branch, and established those teachings in the United States in 1916, during World War I in Europe. Crowley's OTO teachings of magick included the Golden Dawn and that of Thelemic Law.
Influences of Aleister Crowley are found in Scientology "technology," or teaching materials - including L Ron Hubbard's own admission that he was the "anti-Christ." Aleister Crowley died in 1947. But in 1969, the same year that Scientology donned the crosses and minister's garb, was the same time that the "Thoth Tarot Card Deck" was published and sold, (a product produced years before, by Aleister Crowley with artist Lady Frieda Harris, (deceased in 1962.) This was the same year that L Ron Hubbard directed members to bring in the crossed out cross and wear minister's clothing.
Another well known fact of L Ron Hubbard's association with Aleister Crowley and the teachings of magick was his relationship with John Whiteside Parsons. In 1941, Parsons joined the California-based Agape lodge of Aleister Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis, (OTO.)
"He, (emphasis-Parsons) considered that Ron had great magical potential and took the risk of breaking his solemn oath of secrecy to acquaint Ron with some of the O.T.O. rituals.... Nevertheless, Parsons clearly remained convinced that Ron possessed exceptional powers....Parsons wrote to his 'Most Beloved Father' (emphasis - his term for Aleister Crowley) to acquaint him with events: 'About three months ago I met Captain L. Ron Hubbard.... Although he has no formal training in Magick, he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduced that he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He describes his Angel as a beautiful winged woman with red hair whom he calls the Empress and who has guided him through his life and saved him many times. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles."
From the book: Bare-Faced Messiah: (http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfm07.htm)
the True Story of L. Ron Hubbard, 1987, Chapter 7, "Black Magic and Betty" pp. 117-118
Author: Russell Miller

[thirdwave]

LOL, I take ES off of ignore .. and the first thing I see is Marpet put forward a perfectly reasonable question to ES and he replys with 3 links, compleatly ignoring the point Marpet brought up, LOL

and to make things worse, one of those links was from a News Paper! lol, :eek:

Defo better when he is on ignore...

I recommend if people want to find out what Crowley is like, simply get a couple of his books and read them.

Another thing, you can actually get people in the occult that carry out sacrifices.... are pediofiles... and all sorts else... but are actually not Satanists at the same time.... just like you can get ones who are...so on, the ignorance on this thread is shocking.....

Also AC was not a proper freemason... he did not go through the official procedure... and basically created his own because the ones he was involved in , he fell out with...

so, he was not a Freemason, He was a member of the Golden Dawn.. then his own group.... he was not a Satanist as clarified by people who new him and worked with him on several levels.. and there is also no evidence he was M16 and even if there was that does not really say much.

The funny thing is, the "evil jews" who were into child sacrifice and so on.. that a good few fools here yabber on about, well Crowley was one of the first people who exposed these kind of "Jews"...

This thread is a load of gibberish.... Go read his works and find out what he taught people, I find the best way to make judgement is based on how you interpret somone, not what some yabbering loon wants everyone to think... its loons like him who created the false image of people like Crowley to start with...

Now, back to the ignore button to save another 20 paged of googled spam.

[eternal_spirit]

You're foolng yourself and no one else Wave.

One of Crowley's and Hubbard's sons both disowned their fathers Crowley's son even changed his name to disasociatte himself further from his father. Hubbard's son wrote a book or an article describing his fathers sick methods of dark psychitary/satanic practices of brainwashing and mind control.

[eternal_spirit]

My thanks to one of the most prominent Crowley scholars for the following:

One of Crowley's offspring

Charles Edward d'Arquires (formerly known as Randall Gair Doherty formerly known as Aleister Attaturk formerly known as Aleister Macalpine), b. 2 May 1937, Newcastle-on-Tyne, died on 20 November 2002 in Chalfont St Peter, Bucks. All of the above is from the death certificate, which has an incorrect date and year of birth (mistakenly giving 11 May 1939). His birth certificate gives the name as Randal Giair Doherty, with that odd spelling.

[eternal_spirit]

LOL, I take ES off of ignore .. and the first thing I see is Marpet put forward a perfectly reasonable question to ES and he replys with 3 links, compleatly ignoring the point Marpet brought up, LOL

and to make things worse, one of those links was from a News Paper! lol, :eek:

Defo better when he is on ignore...

I recommend if people want to find out what Crowley is like, simply get a couple of his books and read them.

Another thing, you can actually get people in the occult that carry out sacrifices.... are pediofiles... and all sorts else... but are actually not Satanists at the same time.... just like you can get ones who are...so on, the ignorance on this thread is shocking.....

Also AC was not a proper freemason... he did not go through the official procedure... and basically created his own because the ones he was involved in , he fell out with...

so, he was not a Freemason, He was a member of the Golden Dawn.. then his own group.... he was not a Satanist as clarified by people who new him and worked with him on several levels.. and there is also no evidence he was M16 and even if there was that does not really say much.

The funny thing is, the "evil jews" who were into child sacrifice and so on.. that a good few fools here yabber on about, well Crowley was one of the first people who exposed these kind of "Jews"...

This thread is a load of gibberish.... Go read his works and find out what he taught people, I find the best way to make judgement is based on how you interpret somone, not what some yabbering loon wants everyone to think... its loons like him who created the false image of people like Crowley to start with...

Now, back to the ignore button to save another 20 paged of googled spam.
__________________

LOL From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.

does that seem to imply that Crowley not only believed SATAN but he also served him?

[marpat]

You're foolng yourself and no one else Wave.

One of Crowley's and Hubbard's sons both disowned their fathers Crowley's son even changed his name to disasociatte himself further from his father. Hubbard's son wrote a book or an article describing his fathers sick methods of dark psychitary/satanic practices of brainwashing and mind control.

Many children disown their father because their life views are incompatable. Doesn't prove anything. Have you made a full study of these situations or are you relying on somebody elses links?

Lets get down to brass tacks, you hate occultism and Crowley and are not prepared to actually study his works and come up with an unbiased opinion. To understand some of it takes a level of spiritual development so unless you got some then you will have no way of knowing what he is on about anyway.

A Crowley scholar....................people can study Crowley? it is easy money for some people to write a book about somebody historically controversial and the more twists and turns in it the better because it will keep people coming back.

[marpat]

LOL, I take ES off of ignore .. and the first thing I see is Marpet put forward a perfectly reasonable question to ES and he replys with 3 links, compleatly ignoring the point Marpet brought up, LOL

and to make things worse, one of those links was from a News Paper! lol, :eek:

Defo better when he is on ignore...

I recommend if people want to find out what Crowley is like, simply get a couple of his books and read them.

Another thing, you can actually get people in the occult that carry out sacrifices.... are pediofiles... and all sorts else... but are actually not Satanists at the same time.... just like you can get ones who are...so on, the ignorance on this thread is shocking.....

Also AC was not a proper freemason... he did not go through the official procedure... and basically created his own because the ones he was involved in , he fell out with...

so, he was not a Freemason, He was a member of the Golden Dawn.. then his own group.... he was not a Satanist as clarified by people who new him and worked with him on several levels.. and there is also no evidence he was M16 and even if there was that does not really say much.

The funny thing is, the "evil jews" who were into child sacrifice and so on.. that a good few fools here yabber on about, well Crowley was one of the first people who exposed these kind of "Jews"...

This thread is a load of gibberish.... Go read his works and find out what he taught people, I find the best way to make judgement is based on how you interpret somone, not what some yabbering loon wants everyone to think... its loons like him who created the false image of people like Crowley to start with...

Now, back to the ignore button to save another 20 paged of googled spam.
__________________

LOL From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.

does that seem to imply that Crowley not only believed SATAN but he also served him?


So if Crowley exposes these evil Jews then is he bad after all?

Crowleys idea of Satan was not as simple or negatively biased as your own so in order for you to get what he means you have to look into what his concept of satan is. I doubt he sees him like you do, some Jerry the Berry style character.

Also, satan and the beast are not the same thing except to spiritually desolate minds.

[krakhead]

I recommend if people want to find out what Crowley is like, simply get a couple of his books and read them.

Isn't it a shame when you have to end up stating the totally fucking obvious? :(

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley travelled so much ( he was funded by the intelligence agencies ) Travel and a cover for intelligence agency work is a common theme. He also had the advantage of being a member of various Freemason Lodges, which also would have been used to his advantage, fellow masons help eachother out.

See thirdwave and marpat have resorted to name calling as usual and feel the need to shoot the messenger. Guess I'm entitled to a line myself now ( A spirit level has more spirituallity than these two )

[marpat]

Crowley travelled so much ( he was funded by the intelligence agencies ) Travel and a cover for intelligence agency work is a common theme. He also had the advantage of being a member of various Freemason Lodges, which also would have been used to his advantage, fellow masons help eachother out.

See thirdwave and marpat have resorted to name calling as usual and feel the need to shoot the messenger. Guess I'm entitled to a line myself now ( A spirit level has more spirituallity than these two )


You may be a messenger but only one of bias and deceit, not truth. Crowley had a large inheritance which funded his travel, which you would know if you read his biography. He also had a lot of wealthy admirers who help keep him afloat.

You views are so biased and have no strong basis that they are invalid. You always say the same stuff and it is always just trying to prove links between Crowley, satanism, intelligence services, and freemasonry. Your sources are poor and you use the most biased information, which as you admitted before has to be taken on faith as you cannot prove the facts.

You should put a disclaimer on your posts stating that your views are your own opinion and are not proven facts and that your sources may not be entirely accurate. To keep posting links and other crap as if it were fact is just misleading, and we wouldn't want that would we.

Name calling? funny that, coming from you. I lost count the amount of times you called me a Jew, or a satanist, or a freemason, ad infinitum.

You have already made you mind up on what the end result of your 'research' will be and then you just look for articles that will support your end goal no matter where they come from.

[eternal_spirit]

LOL From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.

does that seem to imply that Crowley not only believed SATAN but he also served him?[/quote]

.............
Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord

.................

jeez

[eternal_spirit]

quote: king
meanwhile
Crowley seed of demented mind continue propagating through

http://www.amuseyourself.com/blog/images/barbara-bush.jpg

then, recessive genes produce this
http://www.mikepellegrini.com/Graphics/bush_fuhrer1.jpg

who really wants to
http://www.king-george.biz/images/A__Bush_Oct_11.jpg

use the
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/images/050922_nuke_body.jpg

as a part of the "solution"
http://solutions.psu.edu/images/solution_source_questions.jpg
do we understand now why it is a really bad idea to follow the dangerous idiots like Crowley?
................................


And if anyone doesn't know about how there's a rumour ( it's possible that Bush maybe related to Crowley ) Let us look now at Barbra Bush and compare her to Crowley. We are talking Elite bloodlines or the gofers and foot soliders for the Elite.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF3555.jpg

[krakhead]

quote: king
meanwhile
Crowley seed of demented mind continue propagating through

http://www.amuseyourself.com/blog/images/barbara-bush.jpg

then, recessive genes produce this
http://www.mikepellegrini.com/Graphics/bush_fuhrer1.jpg

who really wants to
http://www.king-george.biz/images/A__Bush_Oct_11.jpg

use the
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/images/050922_nuke_body.jpg

as a part of the "solution"
http://solutions.psu.edu/images/solution_source_questions.jpg
do we understand now why it is a really bad idea to follow the dangerous idiots like Crowley?
................................


And if anyone doesn't know about how there's a rumour ( it's possible that Bush maybe related to Crowley ) Let us look now at Barbra Bush and compare her to Crowley. We are talking Elite bloodlines or the gofers and foot soliders for the Elite.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF3555.jpg

OMG! You've turned into tintin!! ;)

[soulja]

read his books to know what he's about ?

now that's funny, hey i read three books of the fuckup and learned not half as much about him than during research.

the logic behind this statement is just ludicrous. case in point, read Michael Aquino's book (http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf) and tell me if he writes about him being a programer in Monarch projects? his ''little'' fetish of raping little boys?
that he gets away with everything he does/did due his intelligence ties ?
no matter how much evidence and how many victims/witnesses are brought forward against him.

oh wait all that can't be true, he didn't write it in his book. :rolleyes:

way too many crowley fanbois with blinkers on their eyes around here.

[meave]

"During a 1921 ritual, he induced a he-goat to copulate with his mistress, then slit the animal's throat at the moment of orgasm."

I doubt it somehow. It's a load of bollocks.

i guess you've never seen animal farm:D

[eternal_spirit]

Well now, this would explain Marpat's pro satanic stance and lies. Crowley was very much involved in the OTO.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=380464&postcount=42
quote: marpat
I am a member of the OTO and think the statement about control is ridiculous. How can an organisation be promoting that people should discover their true will and then try and control them? is it just contradictory. I have never seen any examples of this myself. I think if this sort of thing was happening then people would be asking why.

[lizzy]

From Slime to Divine - Darwin's Repackaged Religion and The New Age"
(Book: "America, the Sorcerer's New Apprentice: The Rise of New Age Shamanism" by Dave Hunt and Thomas A. McMahon.)
(Song: "Circle Game" by Joni Mitchell.)
Cultural Changes, Perception - Philosophers, Egypt, Greece, Sumeria, Aristocracy - Selected Knowledge, Preordained Conclusions. Perennial Religion, Nature Worship, Hinduism, Reincarnation. "Universal Consciousness" - Neoplatonists, Alexandria, Plato, Hegelian Argument - Logic - Atomists - Mystery Religions. Life Extension, Genetic Enhancement - Illusion of Shared Power - Fear of Death - Psychopathic Types. Concept of "Equality" - Elites' Planned Destiny - Hermaphrodite Symbol - Ancient Gnostic Gospels, Gospel of Thomas, New Testament, Heaven. "Hidden Masters" - New Age Movement, Gurus, Leaders - Hypnosis - Perpetual "Happiness". Television, People Watching, Identification, Indoctrination - Political Ideas for Social Change, Adaptation. Rosicrucians, Masonic Groups, "Higher Consciousness" - "Supermind" - Repetition, Opinions - "Ascension to Godhood". Devils and Angels, "Holy Marriage" - Labels of Deity - Satanism - Rationalization of Insanity. "Course in Miracles", New Age, Funding. Use of the "Stars" - Public Mimic - Shirley MacLaine - Visualization - Blending of Science and Religion - Old Shamanism. Endless Cycle of Karma and Wheel of Reincarnation - Problem of Evil - Yoga - Original Buddhism - Eugenics - Dogma. Mythologies, "Battles" - Rebuilding of "Imperfect" World and Man - Obsession with Order. Channelling "Spirits" - Caution - Ancient Demonology, Legion (Many, but One) - "We're All One".
[media]http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_From_Slime_to_Divine--

march 6, 2008........alan watt.......cutting.........matrix....TRY IT, LOL

[krakhead]

read his books to know what he's about ?

now that's funny, hey i read three books of the fuckup and learned not half as much about him than during research.

the logic behind this statement is just ludicrous. case in point, read Michael Aquino's book (http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf) and tell me if he writes about him being a programer in Monarch projects? his ''little'' fetish of raping little boys?
that he gets away with everything he does/did due his intelligence ties ?
no matter how much evidence and how many victims/witnesses are brought forward against him.

oh wait all that can't be true, he didn't write it in his book. :rolleyes:

way too many crowley fanbois with blinkers on their eyes around here.

Then don't just read them to learn about him, read them to learn about the techniques he presents for individuals to use for personal development. Then try them, in a completely scientific manner, then you will have more pertinent information with which to make a judgment.

Well now, this would explain Marpat's pro satanic stance and lies. Crowley was very much involved in the OTO.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=380464&postcount=42
quote: marpat
I am a member of the OTO and think the statement about control is ridiculous. How can an organisation be promoting that people should discover their true will and then try and control them? is it just contradictory. I have never seen any examples of this myself. I think if this sort of thing was happening then people would be asking why.

Well Crowley was the one who turned the OTO from a basic freemason copy into a magickal order, so well done you for working that one out all by your own! ;)

From Slime to Divine - Darwin's Repackaged Religion and The New Age"
(Book: "America, the Sorcerer's New Apprentice: The Rise of New Age Shamanism" by Dave Hunt and Thomas A. McMahon.)
(Song: "Circle Game" by Joni Mitchell.)
Cultural Changes, Perception - Philosophers, Egypt, Greece, Sumeria, Aristocracy - Selected Knowledge, Preordained Conclusions. Perennial Religion, Nature Worship, Hinduism, Reincarnation. "Universal Consciousness" - Neoplatonists, Alexandria, Plato, Hegelian Argument - Logic - Atomists - Mystery Religions. Life Extension, Genetic Enhancement - Illusion of Shared Power - Fear of Death - Psychopathic Types. Concept of "Equality" - Elites' Planned Destiny - Hermaphrodite Symbol - Ancient Gnostic Gospels, Gospel of Thomas, New Testament, Heaven. "Hidden Masters" - New Age Movement, Gurus, Leaders - Hypnosis - Perpetual "Happiness". Television, People Watching, Identification, Indoctrination - Political Ideas for Social Change, Adaptation. Rosicrucians, Masonic Groups, "Higher Consciousness" - "Supermind" - Repetition, Opinions - "Ascension to Godhood". Devils and Angels, "Holy Marriage" - Labels of Deity - Satanism - Rationalization of Insanity. "Course in Miracles", New Age, Funding. Use of the "Stars" - Public Mimic - Shirley MacLaine - Visualization - Blending of Science and Religion - Old Shamanism. Endless Cycle of Karma and Wheel of Reincarnation - Problem of Evil - Yoga - Original Buddhism - Eugenics - Dogma. Mythologies, "Battles" - Rebuilding of "Imperfect" World and Man - Obsession with Order. Channelling "Spirits" - Caution - Ancient Demonology, Legion (Many, but One) - "We're All One".
[media]http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_From_Slime_to_Divine--

march 6, 2008........alan watt.......cutting.........matrix....TRY IT, LOL

Are you coming down from the drugs which caused your ultra-repetitive and intrusive 'nuit' outbursts?

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley was a product of his age in some senses more than others. Biographer Lawrence Sutin stated that "blatant bigotry is a persistent minor element in Crowley's writings."[65] The book's introduction calls Crowley "a spoiled scion of a wealthy Victorian family who embodied many of the worst John Bull racial and social prejudices of his upper-class contemporaries,"[66] Sutin also writes, "Crowley embodied the contradiction that writhed within many Western intellectuals of the time: deeply held racist viewpoints courtesy of their culture, coupled with a fascination with people of colour."[67] Crowley defended the use of violence against the Chinese, specifically the lower classes.[68] He applied the term "nigger" to Italians (in Diary of a Drug Fiend Book I, Chapter 9) and Indians,[69] and called the Indian theosophist Jiddu Krishnamurti "negroid." Crowley, according to his biographer, Lawrence Sutin, used racial epithets to bully Victor Neuburg during a sadomasochistic magical working: "Crowley leveled numerous brutal verbal attacks on Neuburg's family and Jewish ancestry...".[70] The two became lovers by the end of that year if not before, but "[w]hether or not Crowley and Neuburg had sexual relations during this magical retirement is unclear," according to Sutin. Crowley's published expressions of antisemitism were disturbing enough to later editors of his works that one of them, Israel Regardie, attempted to suppress them. In 777 and Other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley (Samuel Weiser, 1975), Regardie, a Jew, explained his complete excision of Crowley's antisemitic commentary on the Kabbalah in the 6th unnumbered page of his editorial introduction: "I am ... omitting Crowley's Preface to the book. It is a nasty, malicious piece of writing, and does not do justice to the system with which he is dealing."[71] What Regardie had removed was Crowley's "Preface to Sepher Sephiroth", originally published in Equinox 1:8. Written in 1911,[72] at the same time that Menahem Mendel Beilis was accused of ritual cannibalism in Kiev, Russia, it contained a clear statement of Crowley's belief in the blood libel against the Jews:[73] Human sacrifices are today still practised by the Jews of Eastern Europe, as is set forth at length by the late Sir Richard Burton in the MS. which the wealthy Jews of England have compassed heaven and earth to suppress,[74] and evidenced by the ever-recurring Pogroms against which so senseless an outcry is made by those who live among those degenerate Jews who are at least not cannibals.[73] Having thus implicitly defended the recent antisemitic pogroms in Kishinev Russia and elsewhere, on the grounds that the murder of thousands of Jews was a rational response to the implied danger of Jewish ritual cannibalism, Crowley rhetorically asked how a system of value such as Qabala could come from what "the general position of the ethnologist" called "an entirely barbarous race, devoid of any spiritual pursuit," and "polytheists" to boot.[73] As Crowley himself practiced polytheism, some read these remarks as irony.[54] Crowley repeated his claim that Jews in Eastern Europe practice ritual child-murder in at least one later work as well, namely the section on mysticism in Book Four or Magick. Here he uses quotation marks for "ritual murder" and for "Christian" children.[75]

[marpat]

quote: king
meanwhile
Crowley seed of demented mind continue propagating through

http://www.amuseyourself.com/blog/images/barbara-bush.jpg

then, recessive genes produce this
http://www.mikepellegrini.com/Graphics/bush_fuhrer1.jpg

who really wants to
http://www.king-george.biz/images/A__Bush_Oct_11.jpg

use the
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/images/050922_nuke_body.jpg

as a part of the "solution"
http://solutions.psu.edu/images/solution_source_questions.jpg
do we understand now why it is a really bad idea to follow the dangerous idiots like Crowley?
................................


And if anyone doesn't know about how there's a rumour ( it's possible that Bush maybe related to Crowley ) Let us look now at Barbra Bush and compare her to Crowley. We are talking Elite bloodlines or the gofers and foot soliders for the Elite.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF3555.jpg

Is that supposed to be some sort of arguement? you post a few pictures and link it to Crowley as if you are trying to prove something?

Please inform us of what dangerous ideas Crowley had. Maybe you meant his stance on personal freedom.

There is a rumour that Bush is related to Crowley????? so what you are saying is that you have no facts. Perhaps you should give us a clear indication of their familiy history so we can judge for ourselves.

Desperation, pure desperation. Don't worry though, you have said that magic does not work so nothing to worry about.

[lightgiver]

Don't forget bab bushs beautiful mind:eek:,and all them body bags:eek::rolleyes:

and i know some one else that magic is not working for,still here i see..............

[eternal_spirit]

quote: marpat
Desperation, pure desperation. Don't worry though, you have said that magic does not work so nothing to worry about.
................
Nah, you're the desperate one thinking you'll achieve something with your Crowley spells. I have all the powers I need and don't need dodgy Gurus like some.

[marpat]

quote: marpat
Desperation, pure desperation. Don't worry though, you have said that magic does not work so nothing to worry about.
................
Nah, you're the desperate one thinking you'll achieve something with your Crowley spells. I have all the powers I need and don't need dodgy Gurus like some.

Can a dead person be a guru?

[mrblitz]

Even Chesterton had to grudgingly admit that Crowley was a decent - if not great - poet.

Crowley was one of the first - if not the very first - people to record the adverse physical effects of high altitude mountain climbing.

I don't believe that Crowley was funded by the likes of MI5, or that he was a 'satanist' (whatever that means).

Eternal Spirit, perhaps you could rely more upon your own words, rather than the cutting and pasting you seem to so readily fall back upon in attempting to make your case against Crowley.

[eternal_spirit]

Nothing great about a man who produced lot's of sick rhymes, and yes I've seen the other stuff he wrote too that people say oh how nice. You'd have a point if he had of stuck to the nice stuff, but truth is he wrote much sick stuff which is the product of a disturbed mind. Besides many authors don't write all their own books they sometimes have teams of writers behind the scenes.

If you read the thread blitzy you'll find many posts I've typed up. If I just typed and posted my own words, and not posted any links and pasted, then some would say "have you any links to back up what you've posted?" So, I give you both kinds of posts, but there's always one who complains.

[marpat]

Even Chesterton had to grudgingly admit that Crowley was a decent - if not great - poet.

Crowley was one of the first - if not the very first - people to record the adverse physical effects of high altitude mountain climbing.

I don't believe that Crowley was funded by the likes of MI5, or that he was a 'satanist' (whatever that means).

Eternal Spirit, perhaps you could rely more upon your own words, rather than the cutting and pasting you seem to so readily fall back upon in attempting to make your case against Crowley.


You are right on the money there. The truth is that ES has already made his mind up what he wants to think and only quotes sources that forward his own views, sources that are very poor and unreliable, often written by Crowleys enemies.

[lottie]

Please can we keep the personal insults off this thread- please discuss it by all means but you don't need to resort to personal insults.

Also please refrain from quoting large posts, they are wasting space on the thread, people are entitled to post large quantities of relevant information and you are entitled to quote that info but its unnessesary to quote the post in its entirity! Otherwise we just end up with threads with no new info on them just quoted posts!

Thankyou.... :)

[eternal_spirit]

For example, Hubbard was a member of the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis (AMORC) Rosicrucian order in 1940, and after his membership lapsed there were complaints that he had carried some of their secret teachings into Scientology (Hubbard and the Occult, Atack, p. 4).
In the Philadelphia Doctorate Course Lectures, Hubbard instructed his listeners in Crowley's system of Tarot cards. Atack notes that in the book, Equinox - Sex & Religion, Crowley represented the theta sign as "the essential principle of his system - thelema or the will" (Ibid.).
To Hubbard, the thetan is also the essence of a person, and the purpose of an "Operating Thetan" is to be able to control others by intention or will, and be able to exteriorize, exercising control of matter, energy, space, and time (Ibid., p. 6).

OT's (operating thetans) degress/levels in Scientology.

[lizzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad2pqg-IQjI&feature=related

the UN religion is satanism, occultism and the New Age.

[eternal_spirit]

Some more assorted dodgy characters Crowley associated with.



http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2139/wwynnwestcottta1.jpg

William Wynn Westcott

A Nobel-Prize Winner in a Black Mask

William Butler Yeats and the Golden dawn
http://www.golden-dawn.org/images/yeats4.jpg

Mathers was succeeded in his office by the celebrated poet W.B. Yeats, who was later to become a Nobel Prize-winner.
Yeats took the name of "Frere Demon est Deus Inversus." He used to preside over the meetings dressed in a kilt, wearing a black mask and a golden dagger in his belt.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2983/goldendawnmt8.jpg
McGregor Mathers...

[lizzy]

Even Chesterton had to grudgingly admit that Crowley was a decent - if not great - poet.

Crowley was one of the first - if not the very first - people to record the adverse physical effects of high altitude mountain climbing.

I don't believe that Crowley was funded by the likes of MI5, or that he was a 'satanist' (whatever that means).

Eternal Spirit, perhaps you could rely more upon your own words, rather than the cutting and pasting you seem to so readily fall back upon in attempting to make your case against Crowley.


Crowley was a spy ...and a Satanist.......the NWO is satanic, Lucifer 's kingdom on Earth......Hello hell , we will all be borg.

[soulja]

some ''gems'' from Crowley's Book of the Law

II,21: We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.

From: Liber AL vel Legis - Chapter II

III,7: I will give you a war-engine.

III,8: With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you.

III,12: Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a child.

III,18: Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!

[marpat]

some ''gems'' from Crowley's Book of the Law

II,21: We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.

From: Liber AL vel Legis - Chapter II

III,7: I will give you a war-engine.

III,8: With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you.

III,12: Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a child.

III,18: Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!


Yes but the meaning evades you!!!!!

I notice that you take the little snippets that you like, and remove the context just like a good Christian.

Now ask youself this question. The book of the law is about doing ones true will and NOT stopping people doing theirs. Dont you think that killing children would stop them doing their will and so be against what the book is about? it does say 'the law is for all' and that includes children.

When the book talks of destruction it mean destroying those aspects of ourselves that are weak and wreched and which cause us to fail, it does not mean other people. Remember 'every man and every woman is a star' so to attack and destroy people is against the book.

It is obvious that you have not even looked at the book with any sense of questioning or effort to grasp and understanding of what is being said. To take superficial information and present it as if it were literal is just stupid, as those who take the bible literally are stupid.

[marpat]

Crowley was a spy ...and a Satanist.......the NWO is satanic, Lucifer 's kingdom on Earth......Hello hell , we will all be borg.


I doubt he would be a spy when he was famous. His cover wouldnt last very long would it?

Lucifer is the light bringer. I think you really mean Lucifuge.

[soulja]

Yes but the meaning evades you!!!!!

so what you reckon marpat, who or what was the voice crowley heard in his head dictating those lines he wrote in the book of the law ?

[marpat]

so what you reckon marpat, who or what was the voice crowley heard in his head dictating those lines he wrote in the book of the law ?

Read his material and you will find out.

Dont know if you are aware but Crowley never took it serious until years afterwards when he found his diary lying around at a critical moment in his magical career. If you read his biography he states that he himself struggles and rejected the books content.

If you read up on it then you will find there was a lot more to just hearing something then believing it and trying to promulgate it. Crowely analysed the names and numbers of the books intensly to see if patterns would emerge and prove or disprove authenticity.

[soulja]

i asked you marpat, what's your personal opinion, who you think the voice was ?

[marpat]

i asked you marpat, what's your personal opinion, who you think the voice was ?

Find out for yourself. You expect everything to be given on a plate?

[soulja]

lol, i take it your OTO ''guidebook'' doesn't provide an answer you could parrot here.

i didn't ask you in order for me to find out about it i asked you about your personal opinion. i was just interested how a crowley fanboi would rationalize the voice.
you already gave me a hint when you ''explained'' the BoL content.

depicting it as some sort of spiritual knowledge :rolleyes:
and not the mad elitist highly negative rambling it actually is.

coming back to the voice - i believe it's either some higly destructive/negative force/spirit/demon or some 'voice in your head beaming' toy of the intelligence services.

[marpat]

lol, i take it your OTO ''guidebook'' doesn't provide an answer you could parrot here.

i didn't ask you in order for me to find out about it i asked you about your personal opinion. i was just interested how a crowley fanboi would rationalize the voice.
you already gave me a hint when you ''explained'' the BoL content.

depicting it as some sort of spiritual knowledge :rolleyes:
and not the mad elitist highly negative rambling it actually is.

coming back to the voice - i believe it's either some higly destructive/negative force/spirit/demon or some 'voice in your head beaming' toy of the intelligence services.

Wow such clear thinking.

You dont think I suspected your motive and gave you nothing to use?

OTO guidebook? you would think that I was hard to the core. The fact is I very rarely attend meetings. I think you are going along the lines of the conspiracy theorist handbook, the book that gives all the alternative answers that dont require a shred of credbility to find believers.

Voice in your head beaming toy? maybe I will visit your planet some time, sounds very interesting.

Have you got any experience of demons and negative forces with which to make an accurate assessment of what Crowley experienced? no, all you have to go on is a misunderstood book that you have not even took the time to read properly. You believe that he was contacted by such a negative force because that is the superificial appearance and you have not tried to look at the meaning behind the book. I notice you never have any comments on the superficially positive aspects of the book? you have not revealed anything other than your ignorance and bias.

Why should I try and rationalise the voice? such an experience is beyond the rational mind so why try and label it with limited words? can you reduce life, or God or any spirit to the rational mind. You cannot because such things are beyond the limitations of written and spoken language. All you can do is try and describe aspects by analogy. Again if you had any knowledge then this would be clear. Is it not the message that is important not the messenger? Aiwass was not the originator of the message according to the given history but merely a messenger of the God who will rule over the next aeon. Thus you have the deity, the messenger and the receiver.

If the book of the law is only for the elite then why does it clearly state that every man and every woman is a star? why does is say that the law is for all? what about love is that law? is this not saying that it is our duty to love and that every person is an eternal being with their own course, and does it not teach responsibility in that we have to respect the course of other individuals?



Here is a quote from another one of your threads. Just really sums up what you stand for:

Craig Heimbichner ends his book warning that we must sacrifice our time and energy in the pursuit of truth. We must reject the Double Mind, cast off the Thelemic trance and reverse the alchemical-hypnotic process so that we are not sacrificed on the OTO's altar, for our damnation. (p. 135) Of course, as Catholics, the way to avoid having a Double Mind is to stick firmly to Tradition, shun all novelty, and reject the fantastick.


Yes, turn away from anything that stops you being a good catholic mind slave. No wonder you hate Crowely when he has so often exposed the flaws in that dying religion.

[soulja]

Wow such clear thinking.

agreed.. :D


Why should I try and rationalise the voice? such an experience is beyond the rational mind so why try and label it with limited words? can you reduce life, or God or any spirit to the rational mind. You cannot because such things are beyond the limitations of written and spoken language. All you can do is try and describe aspects by analogy. Again if you had any knowledge then this would be clear. Is it not the message that is important not the messenger? Aiwass was not the originator of the message according to the given history but merely a messenger of the God who will rule over the next aeon. Thus you have the deity, the messenger and the receiver.

you mean like crowley did ? giving it a name and all..

crowley's portrait of ''Lam'' (another encounter he had)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/lam.jpg


English Psychic/Magickian/Writer Aleister Crowley conducted experiments in 1918 that he claimed led to a face-to-face meeting with an alien that he called “Lam.”

Thus Crowley, in addition to all of his other incredible achievements mostly in esoteric matters, became one of the first, if not the first contemporary to make contact and describe the being he met as an alien from another world than our own.

Even stranger is the fact that Crowley began the magick experimentation that led to this meeting in New York City, in an apartment he rented at Central Park West. He had just departed England at the outbreak of World War I on the infamous liner Lusitania. Then after a swing across the continent with visits to Vancouver, San Francisco and New Orleans, he took up with a New York woman, identified as Roddie Minor.

Crowley and Minor began what Crowley later called the Amalantrah Workings. They were performances of sexual and ceremonial magick in an attempt to open a portal to other dimensions and make physical contact with other intelligences. During his evocations, Minor, her mind opened with the help of hashish and opium, had visions of a king, a small boy and a wizard that introduced himself as Amalantrah. Thus the name of the project.

The wizard’s message to Crowley was to “find the egg.”

To anybody else, such a message might have fallen on deaf ears. But to Crowley, who only 14 years earlier had encountered yet another spiritual entity that dictated the words of Liber al vel Legis, best known as the Book of the Law, this message had a special meaning.
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/warehousea/id22.html

http://www.cuttingedge.org/Levi_Conjure_Demons.jpg
crowley's rolemodel Eliphas ''i've drawn Baphomet'' Levi also had an encounter with some ''spirit'' wich i'm sure you're aware of.


Voice in your head beaming toy? maybe I will visit your planet some time, sounds very interesting.

this technology has long been around. maybe you should do some research before you comment on subjects you have not the slightest clue about.



Here is a quote from another one of your threads. Just really sums up what you stand for:

lol, no marpat quoting that in here with the sentence you wrote just about sums you up.
first off it's not one of my threads and secondly it's part of a book review i've posted. i didn't write that incase you haven't noticed. you seem a bit ignorant dismissing everything written just because the author happens to be christian. btw i'm not christian but surely you'll use that ''argument'' again so telling you i'm not won't change a thing..

[soulja]

Yes but the meaning evades you!!!!!

I notice that you take the little snippets that you like, and remove the context just like a good Christian.

you mean like you did with the 4 sentence quote from a long long article ?
does that make you a good christian ? god you're such a hypocrite..


Now ask youself this question. The book of the law is about doing ones true will and NOT stopping people doing theirs. Dont you think that killing children would stop them doing their will and so be against what the book is about? it does say 'the law is for all' and that includes children.

When the book talks of destruction it mean destroying those aspects of ourselves that are weak and wreched and which cause us to fail, it does not mean other people. Remember 'every man and every woman is a star' so to attack and destroy people is against the book.

is that the interpretation they give you in the OTO ?

let's read it again shall we ?

I,21: We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.

From: Liber AL vel Legis - Chapter II

III,7: I will give you a war-engine.

III,8: With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you.

III,12: Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a child.

III,18: Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!


clearly it means the weak inside us :rolleyes:

[soulja]

http://www.the7thfire.com/images/crowley.jpg
33° Mason, Aleister Crowley would definitely get some votes in the "most wicked man who ever lived contest" and is the clear cut favorite for the title of "The Father of Modern Satanism". Crowley's wicked life and his intimate association with Freemasonry are both well known.

Crowley himself was terribly decadent. A happily heroin-addicted, bisexual Satan worshiper, he asked people to call him "The Beast 666." Crowley believed that he was literally the antimessiah of the apocalypse.

During the first World War, Crowley transferred his activities to America. The press proclaimed him "the wickedest man in the world." He also spent time in Italy, but was expelled because Italian authorities accused his disciples of sacrificing human infants in occult rituals. According to one source, Crowley resided in the Abbey of Thelema near Cefalu Sicily, and revived ancient Dionysian ceremonies. During a 1921 ritual, he induced a he-goat to copulate with his mistress, then slit the animal's throat at the moment of orgasm.


WAS ALEISTER CROWLEY JUST A 'CLOSET' FREEMASON?

Aleister Crowley was very proud of all his accomplishments and connections. He bragged about all of the Masonic medals and insignia that he was entitled to wear.

This view was confirmed when The Arcane Schools of John Yarker came to me for review. I wrote to the author, who recognized my title to the 33° and conferred on me the grades of 95° Memphis and 90° Mizraim. It seemed as if I had somehow turned a tap. From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. I possess more exalted titles than I have ever been able to count. I am supposed to know more secret signs, tokens, passwords, grand words, grips, and so on, than I could actually learn in a dozen lives. An elephant would break down under the insignia I am entitled to wear.

Here we see 33° Aleister Crowley in all of his Masonic regalia:
http://booze-bibbing-order-of-bacchus.com/images/pictures/baphomet.jpg

PAST GRAND MASTER ALEISTER CROWLEY

FRATER SUPERIOR BAPHOMET XI°


CROWLEY'S DOCTRINE

We find in the next quotes, the 'doctrine' of Aleister Crowley from MAGICK in Theory and Practice, by The Master Therion (Aleister Crowley):

But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best.

The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony--thus, by sacrifcing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars. In such acase a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin--the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.

From The Book of the Law, by Aleister Crowley:

With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross......

There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.


From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.


Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord


ALEISTER CROWLEY WAS AN INTERNATIONAL MASON

Crowley was truly an international Mason. He received his 33° in Mexico City and spoke of participating in Masonic rituals in the United States and also was involved in other rites of Freemasonry. Not only was Crowley a 33° Grand Inspector General of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, but he was also involved in other rites of Freemasonry that went even deeper into the occult. The Rite of Memphis contained Masonic rituals with a definite Egyptian flavor.

By the end of 1910, thanks to my relations with the Grand Hierophant 97° of the Rite of Memphis (a post held after his death by Dr. Gerard Encausse ['Papus'], Theodor Reuss ['Merlin'], and myself), I was now a sort of universal inspector-general of the various rites, charged with the secret mission of reporting on the possibility of reconstructing the entire edifice, which was universally recognized by all its more intelligent members as threatened with the gravest danger.

Even for a man like Crowley who was obsessed with the occult, the rituals of Freemasonry provided a profound occult thrill.

I supposed myself to have reached the summit of success when I restored the Secret Word of the Royal Arch. In this case, tradition had preserved the Word almost intact.

Were Aleister Crowley and his followers or perhaps a similar group capable of performing acts and rituals that are comparable to what are described by satanic ritual abuse survivors. The following quotes are from a book entitled, Secrets of the German Sex Magicians. This book talks about the ritual use of pain and attributes to Crowley the most perverted of practices such as bestiality and the ritual consumption of body fluids.

The ritual use of pain and agony as an access mode to trance and magical power does have its limits, though. For one thing, physical pain tends to dull the senses in the long run, so that stimuli have to be increased incessantly. This may quite easily lead to grave bodily harm, not to mention the fact that it can become downright addictive and lead to a kindled frenzy not very easily mastered.

Crowley, in fact, trod in his practice a path similar to that of the more materialistic authorities. Although he positively encouraged ejaculatory orgasm in his sex magic, he always made a point of consuming what he called the "elixir" afterwards. He understood this elixir to be the mixture of the sexual fluids of both partners or, in the masturbatory act, as just the semen. He entered very carefully in his the magical diaries a description of the elixir's consistency and taste, and he even recorded the prophecies which he deduced from these data.

And Crowley's practices go on to be even more disgusting.

Coprophagia, which means consumption of excrement, here also includes consumption of other secretions such as urine and sweat. It was ritually practiced from early times on the sympathetic-magic principle that the secretions of any entity contain part of its magis. Crowley, for example, occasionally offered his disciples in Cefalu the excretement of a goat. This frequently met with no small disapproval!

Crowley performed a similar ritual in his Sicilian Abbey of Thelema, during which his Scarlet Woman was to be mounted by a goat which would be beheaded during the climax.

There exists today a secret society that dedicates itself to carrying on the teachings of Aleister Crowley. This group is called the O.T.O.. The O.T.O. was founded earlier this century by high grade Austrian Freemason Karl Kellner and German Freemason Theodor Reuss. The O.T.O. became a major force in the occult world when Aleister Crowley became its leader.

Crowley learned ritual magic from the man who was renown as the master of his day, MacGregor Mathers. The pupil-student relationship soon turned into a bitter rivalry and resulted literally in a Black Magic war. When Mathers died in 1918 many of his friends were convinced that Crowley was responsible for his death. Mathers, also a Freemason, introduced Crowley to an occult organization called the "Golden Dawn" and helped Crowley along his dark walk on the Egyptian Masonic road.

Mathers and his wife Moina, the sister of the philosopher Henri Bergson, lived in Paris. (Mathers tried to convert Bergson to magic, but without success.) Their house was decorated as an Egyptian temple and they celebrated 'Egyptian Masses', invoking the goddess Isis. Mathers officiated in a long white robe, a metal belt engraved with the signs of the zodiac, bracelets round his wrists and ankles, and a leopard-skin slung across his shoulders. He was convinced that he was descended from the Scottish clan MacGregor and took to calling himself MacGregor Mathers, Chevalier MacGregor and Comte de Glenstrae. W. B. Yeats, whose magical name in the Golden Dawn was Daemon est Deus Inversus (The Devil is God Reversed), was a frequent visitor to the Mathers household in Paris.

[marpat]

I see you have been reduced to spamming posts again.

For your info the OTO do not give interpretation of the books. As people learn and develop they come to understand the inner meaning of the book. Idiots just see the gloss and turn away. In such a way do the true mysteries conceal themselves from the profane.

I guess another reason why a christian like yourself hates Crowley is his open stance on sex. Not really your cup of tea with all that repression lurking around in your subconscious.

I see you have taken to using the descriptions given to Crowley by the media of the day. And I bet you tell other people not to believe the papers.

[soulja]

i see there is not much substance in your reply just accusations and assumptions about me. seems like there's no point taking this discussion any further.

but then you've been busted for the hypocrite you are and proven me right as you called me a christian again. ;)

[marpat]

some ''gems'' from Crowley's Book of the Law

II,21: We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.

From: Liber AL vel Legis - Chapter II

III,7: I will give you a war-engine.

III,8: With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you.

III,12: Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a child.

III,18: Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!

As your soul is so obviously tormented by evil I will go over some elements again.

The peoples represent the thoughts and characters of our own minds. In another sense these peoples to be overcome are the ones who would repress your will and prevent you living in accordance to your true being, so to fight for the freedom of your true being agaisnt oppressors is a good thing. Maybe you dont like that being part of a slave religion.

III,12. This does not say sacrifice a child as many people so easily read. Here is an inspired interpretation for you. After the birth of the magical child (which occurs when the ego has been dissolved, there being no conscious focus as such left) you sacrifice cattle (the base instincts that help to form the ego, of various type major and minor) to sustain the growing child. This spiritual child then develops into the spiritual adult, something which you obviously are not.

The war engine is the means to overcome the stubborn aspects of the self that all seekers fight against but I doubt you are very familiar with this. It seems you are more interested in attacking those on the path rather than treading it yourself.

I reiterate for certain people who cannot grasp some of the simple parts of the book. The book states that the law is for all and that every man and every woman is a star, ruler of the kingdom of themselves. Why would the book state that you should make war on people just for being weak when it clearly states that we are all under the same law and all stars? the only people to fight against are those who would take this freedom away from you.

And one other thing, try reading Liber Oz

[marpat]

i see there is not much substance in your reply just accusations and assumptions about me. seems like there's no point taking this discussion any further.

but then you've been busted for the hypocrite you are and proven me right as you called me a christian again. ;)


You beaten then? why not call you a christian? you are using information that tells good catholics to turn back to traditional ways. I guess you dont read the stuff that you are so quick to post. Maybe if you read information a bit more thoroughly then you would learn something about the true nature of things. The deep stuff does not comes to those only wish to destroy wisdom rather than understand it.

You dont like assumptions and accusation made about you? perhaps you should be more aware of this when you are firing them at other people then.

Here is a quote from one of your very own posts:

Craig Heimbichner ends his book warning that we must sacrifice our time and energy in the pursuit of truth. We must reject the Double Mind, cast off the Thelemic trance and reverse the alchemical-hypnotic process so that we are not sacrificed on the OTO's altar, for our damnation. (p. 135) Of course, as Catholics, the way to avoid having a Double Mind is to stick firmly to Tradition, shun all novelty, and reject the fantastick.

[lizzy]

i see there is not much substance in your reply just accusations and assumptions about me. seems like there's no point taking this discussion any further.

but then you've been busted for the hypocrite you are and proven me right as you called me a christian again. ;)


welcome to the club.......;)

[soulja]

welcome to the club.......;)

thx for the welcome lizzy. seeing the company i'm in the club doesn't look that bad after all, even when the label is wrong. :)

[soulja]

beaten ? err.. you didn't reply to my last post and the one before instead you quoted an old post again. so you reply twice to the same post and ignore the others. you're a waste of time..

but i'm a nice fella so i'll give you some more crowley quotes to ''play around with''

From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.


Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord



from MAGICK in Theory and Practice

But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best.

The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony--thus, by sacrifcing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars. In such acase a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin--the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.

[damagedbrainn]

beaten ? err.. you didn't reply to my last post and the one before instead you quoted an old post again. so you reply twice to the same post and ignore the others. you're a waste of time..

but i'm a nice fella so i'll give you some more crowley quotes to ''play around with''

From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:








from MAGICK in Theory and Practice

You just gonna copy and paste everything that ES already posted several times?

[marpat]

beaten ? err.. you didn't reply to my last post and the one before instead you quoted an old post again. so you reply twice to the same post and ignore the others. you're a waste of time..

but i'm a nice fella so i'll give you some more crowley quotes to ''play around with''

From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:


from MAGICK in Theory and Practice

That is your response, when beaten start spamming. I have already demonstrated to you how something that appears negative on the surface can have a totally different meaning to those who can actually see. It's a pity you have no knowledge or experience to argue with. You could create your own encyclopedia of spam.

Like I said before, the mysteries will hide themselves from the profane, and your lack of will to learn and understand is your own barrier. You have made your choice to keep your mind closed and dark. Well if that is your will.

You can quote what you like a thousand times over but it does not conceal the fact that you are ignorant and blind to the truth and that you have posted pro-catholic propoganda then stated you are not a christian. We are led to believe you are either a liar or a hypocrite.

[eternal_spirit]

LOL From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:

The Oath of Fealty

I bind my blood in Satan's hands,

All this that lieth betwixt my hands

To thee, the Beast, and thy control,

I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.

does that seem to imply that Crowley not only believed SATAN but he also served him?

.............
Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord

.................

jeez
[/quote]

This one

[marpat]

.............
Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord

.................

jeez




I think he wrote that just to upset people, joker that he was.

[thirdwave]

I think he wrote that just to upset people, joker that he was.


Not said much on this thread but I have to point out with this quote...


One only needs to have read up on Crowleys thoughts on the feminine ... he very much worshipped the female energy... he even liked to be sexually abused and dominated by females.. S&M and stuff..... He also corrected the tarot cards pointing out that they had 3 male court cards and 1 female... he pointed out it had to be balanced so he changed the page to princess and replaced the "king" card with the "prince".

Like you say this is clearly a wind up with this stuff... as it is no way in relation to his own out looks and also does not make any sense in relation to the works he has written about that has made him as well known as he is.

its kind of just a random thing, yet its what Christian or Christians supporters and what not often pick out...

Also what would be the point in him being so open about that?... if he really was evil and wanted to seduce people would that not be making life hard work for him self??

Also if you look at Soulja's quotes from Magick In theory and practice.. this thing is all over google where people are trying to prove he is into animal and child sacrifice although when the whole section is read you clearly see he is talking about what black magicians do (that he did not support) and it is also made clear that he was referring to masturbation ..

after reading the book you are left with not even the slightest of indications that child or animal sacrifice is in the least bit necessary, required or encouraged like the small quote tries to make out..... infact at the start of the book he exposes the people who carried out such things..

as comments like this from the same book shows...


We see then, that we can never affect anything outside ourselves save only as it is also within us. Whatever I do to another, I also do to myself. If I kill a man, I destroy my own life at the same time...Every vibration awakens all others of its particular pitch - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

and

Anyone who is forced from his own course, either through not understanding himself, or through external imposition, comes into conflict with the order of the Universe, and suffers accordingly - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

and

In the knowledge and conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel, the adept is possessed of all he can possibly need. To consult any other is to insult one's Angel - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

and

The universe is a projection of ourselves, an image as unreal as that of our faces in a mirror, yet, like that face, the necessary form of expression thereof, not to be altered save as we alter ourselves - A. C. (Magick in Theory and Practice)

and from "The Law Is For All" here...

Whatever your sexual predilections may be, you are free, by the Law of Thelema, to be the star you are, to go your own way rejoicing. It is not indicated here in this text, though it is elsewhere implied, that only one symptom warns that you have mistaken your True Will, and that is, if you should imagine that in pursuing your way you interfere with that of another star. It may, therefore, be considered improper, as a general rule, for your sexual gratification to destroy, deform, or displease any other star. Mutual consent to the act is the condition thereof - A. C. (The Law Is For All)



But oddly enough these quotes don't seem to be thrown all over google and these people don't seem to post them very much.


ahh well....

[marpat]

Got to hand it to you thirdwave you are a rare person in here.

It is very refreshing to see a person who can look at the work and see something good and who realises that a lot of the negative stuff that gets quoted was often the product of a wicked sense of humor rather than some satanic spirit. It is just a pity that others are so quick to look at superficial ideas and take them as absolute fact or unblemished truth.

[thirdwave]

the bottom line is I think everyone should be given the right to be heard out...

I dont like it when people (much like the press) like to create others image.

ALL info should be put down and allow others to make their own minds up.

[marpat]

the bottom line is I think everyone should be given the right to be heard out...

I dont like it when people (much like the press) like to create others image.

ALL info should be put down and allow others to make their own minds up.

Very true

[soulja]

the brainwashed ''satanist apologist'' tandem (or would that be triangle?) at it again. amusing..

- the sexual repressed christian -

[thirdwave]

the brainwashed ''satanist apologist'' tandem (or would that be triangle?) at it again. amusing..

- the sexual repressed christian -


I'm not apologising at all.. :cool: , and I am not a Satanist, and with regards to what you have implied that word means I think you are the one who should be apologising.

Its a good job I am not offended so easy.

[soulja]

well you shouldn't be offended by something that's only happening in your head anyway. that would be crazy imo..

so why apologize for something i didn't do/say ?

when did i call you a satanist ?

a satanist(crowley) apologist yes..

[thirdwave]

ahhh ok maybe I misunderstood that one...

[marpat]

well you shouldn't be offended by something that's only happening in your head anyway. that would be crazy imo..

so why apologize for something i didn't do/say ?

when did i call you a satanist ?

a satanist(crowley) apologist yes..

Did anybody apologise for Crowley? does having an interest and understanding in his work make anybody an apologist?

So much for freedom of expression

[soulja]

right..because calling you a crowley apologist (wich you are imo) is taking away your freedom of expression. :rolleyes:

[marpat]

right..because calling you a crowley apologist (wich you are imo) is taking away your freedom of expression. :rolleyes:

Well attacking my posts for having an interest and understanding of his works sure looks like an attempt to repress my views. As you have not read his work yourself and have gone straight into attack then I have to suspect that you wish to prevent people from looking at his work.

[thirdwave]

right..because calling you a crowley apologist (wich you are imo) is taking away your freedom of expression. :rolleyes:

if you had the power of the government of a country what would your solution be?

[soulja]

solution for what excately ?

[thirdwave]

solution for what excately ?

well you appear to have a problem with people studying the occult knowledge or practising the it....

you have posted quote allot on it... there are people who do not feel its negative for them.... what would your solution be?

[soulja]

i don't have a problem with it, plz find a quote of me saying so. when it's true what you claim that i have posted so much about me having a problem then it should be easy to find a quote.

as for your question.. if i would be the government i wouldn't care about people studying crowley as long as no innocents get hurt. or forced to do something/partake in a ritual for example.

this includes animals btw.. ;)

[drael]

Hey heres something you might find both funny and amusing. In google if you search "evil spells", you get an ad for a phone number at 3.99 a minute and a spiritual advisor!

LOL!!! :eek:

[thirdwave]

i don't have a problem with it, plz find a quote of me saying so. when it's true what you claim that i have posted so much about me having a problem then it should be easy to find a quote.

as for your question.. if i would be the government i wouldn't care about people studying crowley as long as no innocents get hurt. or forced to do something/partake in a ritual for example.

this includes animals btw.. ;)


lol, my word!

I don't I could not give a toss if you have said "I have a problem with people studying the occult."

But the way you have sternly pushed your views that all the groups involved are into child and animal abuse, is a statement in its self.

you are the one pointing the finger so you should provide me a quote where you have been decent enough to state that of course not all occultists and occult groups are child and animal abusers...

you have been told by many people who have research Crowleys own works and put forward the case that it does not present any kind of works that involved child or animal abuse, you have been told by 2 OTO members here and another who has been to a mass that they have not either...yet you ignore them and just posts random links from websites from people you know nothing about, though choosing there stories over Crowleys own works....

Im not sure how you can be so ignorant enough to ask me to send you a quote of you saying anything that shows this... actions speak louder than words.

Show me a quote where I have said there are no evil people involved in the occult?

[soulja]

your problem is you always think to know what i've said and wan't to prove!

i have sternly pushed the view that ALL the groups are involved in child sacrifice?!?

see you write stuff like that and i'm alread fed up with reading your post.

sort your head out thirdwave, it's tiresome..


as for crowley, he wrote about the occult properties of blood and semen and how/and what kind they are used in rituals, he mentions child sacrifice and animal sacrifice. he even pledges his soul to satan and channels entities that call for the crushing of the weak and unworthy. and how the elite are the ones serving the king and other similar elitist mad ramblings.

this is all ignored by the likes of you or explained away with ridiculous explanations such as ''he talks about the ego blah blah'' another favourite of yours is ''he was taking the piss''

so honestly it's a waste of time debating crowley with you. i have my opinion/view and you have yours. fair enough..

i'm not that bothered you know wich is funny seeing as i want to prevent people from studying crowley and the occult in general.
and of course i'm pushing my views when i state my opinion. :rolleyes:

btw how isit called when you state your opinion ? isit pushing your views or just sharing your opinion/view on something.

hypocrite ?

[thirdwave]

your problem is you always think to know what i've said and wan't to prove!

:rolleyes: ... I believe I have said time and time again that there is no doubt that evil forces are aware of and use the occult teachings.... In fact I posted some symbolism showing just that..... It has also been pointed out that regardless of Crowleys character, whether you want to believe any romours created about him or not that it does not mean his works are in fact leading people to create evil acts.... yet through all this you have persisted with some kind of point and Im not curious to know what point it is :confused:

If you are now going to admit that not all aspects of the occult are evil and its not always dangerous... then Im not really sure what your point is or what you are arguing about at all...

maybe you just enjoy arguments...

i have sternly pushed the view that ALL the groups are involved in child sacrifice?!?
no you have ignored comments that state this and continued to expose as many google links as you can and express your distrust and distaste to all here who have defended that fact.

you are either now just back tracking and talking hog wash... or your communication skills are very poor.

see you write stuff like that and i'm alread fed up with reading your post.

sort your head out thirdwave, it's tiresome..

ahhh so at least we have dusted that up then... you agree with My self Marpet and so on.....

I guess its ES who we should be directing out messages to now then.


as for crowley, he wrote about the occult properties of blood and semen and how/and what kind they are used in rituals,
well if this is what you want to dig up and find out, then please present the works in which he wrote this.. and we can dig it up and see what he was talking about... lets get productive!

he mentions child sacrifice and animal sacrifice.
only when exposing what others do... in fact at the start of the book oddly enough he talks of certain Jewish groups doing so.... I did not want to go into that much as it might cause ES to ejaculate.

But if you are talking about Crowley actually teaching and advising people to sacrifice children and analyse...then please present it so we can analyse these practices and see just how horrid they are, as I have not come across them... lets get productive...lets get to the bottom of it.


he even pledges his soul to satan and channels entities that call for the crushing of the weak and unworthy. and how the elite are the ones serving the king and other similar elitist mad ramblings.

ok this is interesting... what book are you referring to?...lets see what this book was about.. and hence find out what Crowley was on about....

note it has been pointed out by many many people who have put the time into researching his works that he often created stuff that was not really in context with thelema or any other of his teachings, but was quite clearly done to upset and shock religious institutions and give them what they wanted....

He loved to shock people and to upset christians...

if you want to overlook that fact and persist he was worshiping "satan".. then like I say the only thing we can do is look at the book you are talking about and then descuss/analyse what the book contains... and what the deal is with that book.



this is all ignored by the likes of you or explained away with ridiculous explanations such as ''he talks about the ego blah blah'' another favourite of yours is ''he was taking the piss''

and this is what I am talking about.... you choose to ignore the views of people who have read through his works and just make judgements on random quotes..... when he was pledging him self to Satan as you say.... what was the deal with that?..... was he just in mid sentence and said ... "i worship Satan" .... yadda yadda.....

are you talking about the book of the law where he was actually putting down the words of an entity that channelled through him? ... of which he regarded as utter hog wash for a long while ...?

this book did not even contain any magical teachings... it was like one long poem.

but like I say... I have no problem if you want to dissect his material to enthesise a point, Im just not interested what romours you can find on google!

go get a couple books... read them, find the teachings you want to expose and then come here and I will be more than happy to go through it with you and will be all ears.

so honestly it's a waste of time debating crowley with you. i have my opinion/view and you have yours. fair enough..
I can only go by the works of his which I have read... Sorry.


i'm not that bothered you know wich is funny seeing as i want to prevent people from studying crowley and the occult in general.
and of course i'm pushing my views when i state my opinion. :rolleyes:
I don't think you have read so much as 1 of his books.... So I don't hold your opinion as valid... I think you are just attacking something you are ignorant about... in fact that is very clear.

what do you think is the best way for somone to find out if Crowley was an evil man?


btw how isit called when you state your opinion ? isit pushing your views or just sharing your opinion/view on something.

hypocrite ?

LOL, if you want to ignore several of my posts where I have stated I don't think magick is for everyone.... and not everyone is expected to get into this stuff and if you do, to carry out the things that others do....

if you want to ignore those comments then yes you could say I was being a hypocrite..

though if you pay attention to what's being said... and stop being so ignorant then you would in fact be talking utter crud.

Yolu are right though, there is no point in me debating with you... as you cant combat ignorance with info....

I will be happy to debate when you can bring some of his works to the table are are prepared to dissect the subjects that concern you.

otherwise go and be somone else's brick wall.

[soulja]

i'm sooo not bothered replying to your long-assed post :D

think of that what you want..

[eternal_spirit]

Baphomet is the most widely used of all Satanic symbols. The Satanic Bible instructs worshipers to place the Baphomet on the wall above the altar during Satanic rituals. Every time we see the symbol of the Baphomet we should be reminded of the connection between Freemasonry and Satanism.

One Baphomet picture was the work of French Freemason Eliphas Levi. Eliphas Levi is considered one of the Master occultists of all time and was just as educated when writing about Freemasonry as he was Black Magic. Levi had a profound influence on what is probably the most widely read Masonic book of all time by Masonic author, Albert Pike. Pike's master work Morals and Dogma is often called the 'Masonic Bible'. This honored American Freemason was the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite when he took the Cabbalistic and Luciferian doctrine of Eliphas Levi and put it in his book.

[eternal_spirit]

33 degree Mason Aleister Crowley swore an oath at a Masonic Altar and the following is Crowley's oath to his Lord Satan:
The Oath of Fealty
I bind my blood in Satan's hands,
All this that lieth betwixt my hands,
To thee, the Beast, and thy control,
I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.(Aleister Crowley, Satanic Extracts, Black Lodge Publishing 1991)

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley boasted about his Masonic honors in his auto-biography: http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3889/image5smalluu1.gif
Baphomet, the Supreme and Holy King of Ireland, Iona, and all the Britains that are in the Sanctuary of the Gnosis, O.T.O. Crowley in full Masonic regalia, 1916.(Edited by John Symonds and Kenneth Grant, The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Bantam Books, from Photo section)
"From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. I possess more exalted titles than I have ever been able to count.
I am supposed to know more secret signs, tokens, passwords, grand words, grips, and so on, than I could actually learn in a dozen lives. An elephant would break down under the insignia I am entitled to wear." (An Autobiography, Edited by John Symonds and Kenneth Grant, The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Bantam Books, p. 684-685.)
Crowley was a 33 Sovereign Grand Inspector General of the Scottish Rite and also held the 95 of the Rite of Memphis and the 90 of the Rite of Mizraim. While climbing up the Masonic ladder of success Crowley had been given the title by the Media of "the wickedest man alive". It can be documented that Crowley partook of and taught drug induced rituals that included perverted sexual acts, homosexuality, bestiality, and the eating of bodily emissions and excrement. Crowley who advocated blood sacrifice earned his other title "The Father of Modern Satanism".

[eternal_spirit]

In LaVey's Satanic Bible there are twelve calls or "keys" that are known as "The Enochian Keys". LaVey says that the Enochian calls are "the Satanic paens of faith" and that his source for the "keys" was the Golden Dawn.
I have presented my translation of the following calls with an archaic but Satanically correct unvarnishing of the translation employed by the Order of the Golden Dawn in the late Nineteenth Century. (Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible, Avon Books 1969, p. 155.)
With LaVey's mention of the Order of the Golden Dawn comes yet another connection between Freemasonry and Satanism. The Golden Dawn was an occult order founded by three Freemasons and the order had many ties to the Lodge.
Authors of A Witches Bible Compleat, Janet and Stewart Farrar give credit to the Golden Dawn for the occult explosion that we are experiencing today.
It is generally agreed that the biggest single influence in the modern expansion of ritual magic, and the occult explosion in general, in the Western world, was the Golden Dawn. This magical fraternity, founded by Freemasons at the end of the 19th century, developed a complex ritual system with ten degrees of initiation relating to the Cabalistic Sephiroth. (Janet and Stewart Farrar, The Life and Times of A Modern Witch, Phoenix Publishing Company, p. 121.)
Many Freemasons believe that they can kneel at the Masonic altar with men like Crowley and have no effect on their spiritual lives or ever have any fear of facing the judgment of God. This is surely the greatest of folly. The Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite Albert Pike said it well when he explained that every Mason that enters even the first degree of the Blue Lodge obligates himself to every other Mason in the world:
Secrecy is indispensable in a Mason of whatever Degree. It is the first and almost the only lesson taught to the Entered Apprentice. The obligations which we have each assumed toward every Mason that lives, requiring of us the performance of the most serious and onerous duties toward those personally unknown to us until they demand our aid,--duties that must be performed, even at the risk of life, or our solemn oaths be broken and violated, and we be branded as false Masons and faithless men, teach us how profound a folly it would be to betray our secrets to those who, bound to us by no tie of common obligation, might, by obtaining them, call on us in their extremity, when the urgency of the occasion should allow us no time for inquiry, and the premptory mandate of our obligation compel us to do a brother;s duty to a base imposter.
The secrets of our brother,when communicated to us, must be sacred.... (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1871 L. H. Jenkins Inc., p. 109.)

[thirdwave]

Crowley boasted about his Masonic honors in his auto-biography: http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3889/image5smalluu1.gif
Baphomet, the Supreme and Holy King of Ireland, Iona, and all the Britains that are in the Sanctuary of the Gnosis, O.T.O. Crowley in full Masonic regalia, 1916.(Edited by John Symonds and Kenneth Grant, The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Bantam Books, from Photo section)
"From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. I possess more exalted titles than I have ever been able to count.
I am supposed to know more secret signs, tokens, passwords, grand words, grips, and so on, than I could actually learn in a dozen lives. An elephant would break down under the insignia I am entitled to wear." (An Autobiography, Edited by John Symonds and Kenneth Grant, The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Bantam Books, p. 684-685.)
Crowley was a 33 Sovereign Grand Inspector General of the Scottish Rite and also held the 95 of the Rite of Memphis and the 90 of the Rite of Mizraim. While climbing up the Masonic ladder of success Crowley had been given the title by the Media of "the wickedest man alive". It can be documented that Crowley partook of and taught drug induced rituals that included perverted sexual acts, homosexuality, bestiality, and the eating of bodily emissions and excrement. Crowley who advocated blood sacrifice earned his other title "The Father of Modern Satanism".


ok so lets check these books out...

firstly can you explain to my why AC took out the masonic teachings when he took over the OTO?

also where can one get a copy of

"Aleister Crowley, Satanic Extracts, Black Lodge Publishing 1991"? .. I would like to read this.

[thirdwave]

The reason I state this is that Crowley was not an official Freemason...

His initiations where not completed by Freemasons...


http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/crowley.html


IT MAY SURPRISE some and horrify others to learn that Aleister Crowley (1875-1947), the 20th century’s best-known mage, was ever remotely associated with the masonic fraternity. Although, unbeknown to him at the time of joining, all his affiliations were with unrecognized and irregular bodies, Crowley’s status as a freemason went largely unquestioned by non-masons throughout his life. Events show that the distinctions of regularity meant much to his masonic contemporaries and little to the rest, where reputation as a freemason preceded him, as when the Nazi Geheime Staatspolizei arrested Crowley’s German disciple Karl Germer in February 1935 for the 'crime' of being a friend of the 'Hochgradfreimaurer Crowley'. This paper examines Crowley’s masonic contacts, regular and otherwise, with the express purpose of separating out the myths from the masonic realities, a task never previously attempted, and thereby elucidating the life of an influential figure in esoteric studies whose writings attract growing critical attention. From Nesta Webster and the British Fascist movement down to Lyndon LaRouche, Crowley’s name and association with Freemasonry, much like that of Albert Pike, has been dragged in as a red herring in the 'orgy of cant' that typifies the anti-masonic outpouring of right-wing conspiracy theorists; it is hoped that some documentation might prove useful to brethren in rebutting similar nonsense. In a masonic context, Crowley is perhaps best remembered as a literate early 20th century enthusiast of the esoteric school of Freemasonry. Yet despite his interest in founding (if not running) organizations, Crowley was a social revolutionary and had little use for existing structures; this would prove to be his bane where English Freemasonry was concerned. Crowley’s life was significantly affected by a number of brethren whose careers have been the subject of articles in recent volumes of AQC, including Dr. William Wynn Westcott (AQC 100 (1987), pp. 6-32) and Theodor Reuss (AQC 91 (1978), pp. 28-46), and some that could benefit from further scholarly attention, most prominent among them being John Yarker, whose Sovereign Sanctuary of the Antient and Primitive Rite of Freemasonry devolved to the Ordo Templi Orientis, a non-masonic esoteric society now largely identified with Crowley’s work. The present paper does not attempt to delineate the history of either organization, but refers to each in its place when Crowley attempted to obtain the recognition or involvement of the regular masonic authorities.


This is all actually quite interesting...

[soulja]

he still bragged about it tho.

also freemasonry bc isn't the best of all sources. you know why ?

because they are freemasons ;)

[eternal_spirit]

We know the Rothschild family was involved with Crowley and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn spies and politics go hand in hand and I hope you know the Rothschilds got given the De Medicis (Templar before that) monopoly and spy network.

It lead to them controlling the British Treasury at the occasion of the end of The Battle of Waterloo. They had their British Royal cousin to thank for it. This is a fact admitted in their official biographies.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30332

Crowley's spy name was also 666
Joh Dee was some say was 007 Rosicrucian.

[thirdwave]

he still bragged about it tho.

also freemasonry bc isn't the best of all sources. you know why ?

because they are freemasons ;)

Anyone who goes to the effort to become a member of an institution whom they believe will further there development in something they are passionate about will incite a sense of pride... this is human nature I think you will find.

but what ever bragging he did, It was not from the discoveries of an official Freemason institution....

which is relevant IMO.

and it also raises the question why such a high figure and chum of Churchill like you or someone else said here, would not have an easy path way into such a group.

[thirdwave]

We know the Rothschild family was involved with Crowley and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn spies and politics go hand in hand and I hope you know the Rothschilds got given the De Medicis (Templar before that) monopoly and spy network.

It lead to them controlling the British Treasury at the occasion of the end of The Battle of Waterloo. They had their British Royal cousin to thank for it. This is a fact admitted in their official biographies.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30332

Crowley's spy name was also 666
Joh Dee was some say was 007 Rosicrucian.



How about if we focus on one thing at a time.... you sent 2 interesting links on Crowley/Freemason... even with some of his supposed oaths!...

would it not be more constructive to try and elaborate more on this.... and then move on to other points... as when you just post 5 or 6 at once ...its like you can never really get to the bottom of anything.... its like just throwing out bits and bobs that could mean anything... or even be total hog wash....

like I say... is there a way we can get hold of that book from

"Black Lodge Publishing"

?

[soulja]

I. Aleister Crowley, Multiple Personalities and Ritual Abuse
By Frank Lordi • August 9, 2007

“By some devise, such as the changing of thy ring from one finger to another, create in thyself two personalities, the thoughts of one being within entirely different limits from that of the other, the common ground being the necessities of life.“- Aleister Crowley

When studying ritual abuse, especially within the context of sexual abuse and the New World Order, the first person one should examine is Crowley. He believed that his life would spawn the dawning of a new aeon, “the Aeon of Horus”, the child of the Isis and Osiris. Crowley’s prime belief was that of “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.”

Crowley practiced what he preached. He believed that ritualistic sexual abuse was an integral part not only in divination and majick, but that his doctrine of “Do what thou wilst…” would help usher in the Aeon of Horus.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/crowley7.jpg
In 1903, Crowley married Rose Kelly. They two ventured off to Egypt on their honeymoon and shared their “first night of wedded bliss” in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid of Giza. They returned to Cairo in 1904, and Rose began entering trance states (demonic possession/multiple personality) through which she insisted that the god

Horus was trying to contact Crowley.

In April of 1904, Crowley followed the instructions revealed to Rose and entered into “mystical communication” with Horus, under the pseudonym AIWASS who dictated to Crowley, “The Book of the Law”. (AIWASS was a demon not unlike the “Enochian) entity” Lam that later revealed itself to Crowley in the form of a grey alien.)
http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Lam.jpg

Crowley true to the “Do what thou wilst” creed, took it upon himself to use both female and male sexual partners in his rituals. His depravity knew no bounds. In a world ruled by heavy drug use and spirit guides he even went so far as to have a mistress, Leah Hirisg partake in ritualistic sex with a goat which was sacrificed while penetrating her.

By the Crowley’s reign of terror ended, “his first wife, Rose, died in a mental asylum. His second wife also went insane. “Five of his mistresses had committed suicide, and scores of his concubines ended in the gutter as alcoholics, drug addicts, or in mental institutions.” (Hellhounds on Their Trail, p. 56).

This calls Crowley’s own words into question, “By some devise, such as the changing of thy ring from one finger to another, create in thyself two personalities, the thoughts of one being within entirely different limits from that of the other, the common ground being the necessities of life.” Was Crowley’s ultimate goal that of handing his followers over to his spirit masters as vessels for inhabitation?

Crowley’s necessities were that of a degenerate drug user and satanic high priest. His followers became accustomed to gruesome murders, ritual sex abuse, and developed insatiable appetites for mind altering substances. Thanks to many advances in the field of psychology, we now know that such a lifestyle is conducive to the creation of alternate personalities. Christians typically view these personalities as demonic indwellings or possession.

It seems possible, if not likely that many of Crowley’s initiates developed split personalities, opening a mental gateway for demonic possession and oppression. This would certainly account for the high number of self inflicted fatalities amongst Crowley’s initiates and sex/ritual majick partners.

When Crowley died on December 1, 1947, his practices did not die with him. His “Do what thou wilst” Thelemic influence would again manifest itself as the backbone of the 1960’s hippy movement of “free love”. We will later see its practices were also adopted and only slightly modified not only by Hitler’s Nazi regime, but also by several American government agencies, including the NSA, CIA, and NASA.
http://salvationrevelation.com/i-aleister-crowley-multiple-personalities-and-ritual-abuse/

Part 2 + 3
http://salvationrevelation.com/birth-of-the-new-age-aeon-of-horus-the-new-world-order/
http://salvationrevelation.com/iii-extra-terrestrials-demons-and-low-frequencies/

[eternal_spirit]

Ozzy Osborne told it like it was

Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head?
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk with the dead?
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic,
With the thrill of it all.
You fooled all the people with magic [sic];
(Yeah) You waited on Satan's call. Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure?
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport.
Uncovering things that were sacred,
manifest on this Earth.
(Ah) Conceived in the eye of a secret--
And they scattered the afterbirth.
Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic, of course.
Approaching a time that is classic,
I hear (the) maidens call.
Approaching a time that is drastic--
Standing with their backs to the wall.
Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant,
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant.
(Yeah!)

[thirdwave]

Ozzy Osborne told it like it was

Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head?
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk with the dead?
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic,
With the thrill of it all.
You fooled all the people with magic [sic];
(Yeah) You waited on Satan's call. Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure?
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport.
Uncovering things that were sacred,
manifest on this Earth.
(Ah) Conceived in the eye of a secret--
And they scattered the afterbirth.
Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic, of course.
Approaching a time that is classic,
I hear (the) maidens call.
Approaching a time that is drastic--
Standing with their backs to the wall.
Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant,
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant.
(Yeah!)



ahh ok, so lets forget about the mason thing and move on...

What did Ozzy think of Crowley..

well first of all Bob Daisley wrote most of the lyrics on that record...

The Ozzman Cometh, Ozzy wrote, "I'd read several books about Aleister Crowley. He was a very weird guy and I always wanted to write a song about him. While we were recording the Blizzard Of Ozz album there was a pack of tarot cards he had designed lying around the studio. Well one thing lead to another and the song 'Mr. Crowley' was born."


“I really learned to believe in the devil. I dedicated The Blizzard of Oz to Aleister Crowley.”
http://www.goodfight.org/a_m_osbourne_ozzy.html

[eternal_spirit]

There's so many stories about Ozzy and the lyrics he says himself he has problems getting out of bed in the morning how would he find time to practice Satanism (I don't think he is a Satanist) and the lyrics don't flatter AC.

[thirdwave]

There's so many stories about Ozzy and the lyrics he says himself he has problems getting out of bed in the morning how would he find time to practice Satanism (I don't think he is a Satanist) and the lyrics don't flatter AC.

or course he is not a satanist....

and Ozzy did not right the lyrics in fact he cross referenced the song to cocaine addiction.

[geronimo]

[QUOTE=soulja;426070]I. Aleister Crowley, Multiple Personalities and Ritual Abuse
By Frank Lordi • August 9, 2007

“By some devise, such as the changing of thy ring from one finger to another, create in thyself two personalities, the thoughts of one being within entirely different limits from that of the other, the common ground being the necessities of life.“- Aleister Crowley

When studying ritual abuse, especially within the context of sexual abuse and the New World Order, the first person one should examine is Crowley. He believed that his life would spawn the dawning of a new aeon, “the Aeon of Horus”, the child of the Isis and Osiris. Crowley’s prime belief was that of “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.”

There's much to still be uncovered about Crowley including his recently exposed relationship with British Intelligence. I would suggest that his satanic practices and predisposition were considered an asset by these people, who, when we consider Diana's ritualistic murder, would certainly have been familiar with it.
Chris Everard's Illuminati III and Diana documentaries are well worth checking out in this respect.
There is a very interesting connection between the rocket scientist Jack Parsons - who considered himself to be the antichrist - and Crowley with regard to the 'Babylon Working' ritual, in which they both participated.
These allegations, and a series of bizarre family and genetic synchronicities - can be further explored in the
books by Preston Nichols and Peter Moon on Montauk, which, going a stage beyond the electromagnetic time-warp Philadelphia Experiment, deal with advanced forms of trauma-based, psychotronic mind control.
I have had many discussions with a former security guard who claims to have been used as a guinea-pig in an NSA mind-control and military abduction program called MANNIKIN in a 10-level base under Peasmoore, Berkshire,
in the late 70s - early 80s.
I saw the white scars on his inner arms caused by the plastic straps on the 'trip seat' - a setup involving a special 'holographic' visor/helmet and Cray supercomputers which in some respects resembles the so-called 'Montauk Chair' where psychics were also utilised.

geronimo

[eternal_spirit]

http://osdir.com/ml/culture.discuss.conspiracy/2005-07/msg00235.html

In Unholy Alliance, Peter Levenda writes that "Himmler was obsessed by the idea that British Intelligence was being run by the Rosicrucian Order and that occult adepts were in charge of MI5.... how would he have reacted had he known that the formidable Maxwell Knight...was a disciple of Crowley himself." And not just Knight, but also figures such as OTO initiate and novelist Dennis Wheatley, a favourite author of Hermann Goring, and member of Winston Churchill's Joint Planning Staff.



The blog Nona (http://pierrejoubert.blogspot.com/) digs into an old story, previously unknown to me, of a paedophile ring in North Wales (http://pierrejoubert.blogspot.com/2005/07/north-wales-paedophile-ring-top-people.html). Allegedly, "MI5 used to take foreign diplomats to the North Wales homes, give them boys to 'play' with, secretly filmed them as they buggered, abused and tortured boys then kept the tapes as evidence. Over a dozen victims who complained of abuse by the paedophile ring 'have met suspicious deaths.'" Nona supplies many corroborating links, such as State cover-up of high level paedophile ring (http://www.socialequality.org.uk/iw/241/14a241.shtml) and Public Figures Named in Paedophile Ring (http://conformandobey.co.uk/pages/nick-davies-97.html), as well as those which detail the whitewash that made it all go away.
According to White, McGill's agency "investigated all forms of subversion including communism....the international traffic in drugs and the traffic in women and children....[and] the cult of evil which Aleister Crowley was the centre'.

[damagedbrainn]

http://osdir.com/ml/culture.discuss.conspiracy/2005-07/msg00235.html

In Unholy Alliance, Peter Levenda writes that "Himmler was obsessed by the idea that British Intelligence was being run by the Rosicrucian Order and that occult adepts were in charge of MI5.... how would he have reacted had he known that the formidable Maxwell Knight...was a disciple of Crowley himself." And not just Knight, but also figures such as OTO initiate and novelist Dennis Wheatley, a favourite author of Hermann Goring, and member of Winston Churchill's Joint Planning Staff.



Bleh. Peter Levenda is full of shit.

While he was going on and on writing "occult conspiracy" books, he was leading a little double-life as "Simon", the author of the most popular version of the "Necronomicon", as well as its various spin-offs under the same pseudonym.

http://danharms.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/surprise-simon-is-peter-levenda/
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Necronomicon-Spellbook/Peter-Levenda/e/9780380731121/?itm=1
http://www.nypress.com/16/23/news&columns/feature.cfm

[eternal_spirit]

According to researcher Greg Hallett, of greghallett.com author of the book “Hitler was a British Agent”, Hitler, Churchill, Stalin, Mao were illegitimate Rothschilds as was Queen Victoria! Tony Blair is related to the British Royal family, which would presumably make him a Rothschild relative as well.

Hallett claims that Churchill’s father, Queen Victoria’s son, Prince Edward VII, was an illegitimate child of incest between Queen Victoria and her own father, Nathan Mayor Rothschild in Rothschild’s attempt to sire a son by her.

One remaining question in the strange link between Hitler and Churchill, Aleister Crowley, is who was Aleister Crowley, 33 degree mason and a member of the Rothschild’s private coven the Golden Dawn, associate of Hitler and Churchill, involved the creation of NASA in the USA? Why was Crowley given so much power and part of the Rothschild’s private coven?

Aleister Crowley who is rumored to be the grandfather of George W. Bush? It’s just an educated hunch, but if Crowley were also an illegitimate Rothschild, it would explain everything about why George W Bush is getting away with MURDER. Is the president of the United States ALSO a Rothschild? This is just a suspicion but would explain a great deal if the case.

We now see the link between the founder of Communism and the most bloody and ruthless Communist Rulers, Stalin and Mao, and the Rothschilds, the rulers of the Luciferians, who funded Karl Marx and the Bolshevik Revolution, who put Mao in power in China, who set up, Israel, now the center of world communism.

Communism is nothing more than an expression of the Luciferian beliefs and a Rothschild plan for taking over the world.

Despite pretenses to the contrary, the United States has been controlled by the Communist Luciferians for decades led by David Rockefeller.

It is time to be honest about who are the real terrorists and who is trying to take over the world. The painful truth is the head of the terrorism is in London and is a relative of the British Royal Family. The entire power structure of this cult is built on layers upon layers of lies cemented with shame.

Forget about appearances and start doing the right thing.

Hitler Was a British Agent Part 2 of 6
VIDEO ********************/59pnpv
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpazfZlwe... (http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpazfZlwe8&feature=related)
some notes :
Hitler’s grandmother was gotten pregnant on August 31 in an occult ritual at the Rothschild’s Austrian mansion.. She gave birth to Hitler’s father, Elroy Hitler.
Elroy Hitler and Churchill were first cousins
Adolph Hitler was the son of an illegitiamte Rothschild, Churchill, and Stalin were all illegitimate Rothschilds

Churchill was invited to become the Prime Minister by his nephew, King George VI
Churchill was related to both the British Royal Family and the Rothschilds.
Blair is related to the British Royal Family.

Churchill was the son of King Edward the VII and Jenny Gerome Churchill
King Edward VII was the illigitimate son of Queen Victoria and Nathan Mayor Rothschilds
Queen Victoria was the daughter of Nathan Mayor Rothschild
In other words, Nathan Mayor Rothschild was having sex with his own illegitimate daughter, Queen Victoria until he gave birth to a son, King Edward VII.
Churchill’s grandfather and great grand father the same person
King Edward the 7th was a son of Nathan Mayor Rothschild.

Prince Consort Albert was the illegitimate son of a stable boy. Alexander Hensteine.

British Royal Family is a subset of the Rothschild Family
Controlled through shame.

(Note : Nathan Rothschild funded Karl Marx and two cheques Marx received are said to be displayed the British Museum.)


Related :
Re: Thatcher/Grand Hotel Guiliani/Twin Towers-Crowley ties to the Rothschilds
August 8, 2008 ********************/6nzv26


Re: Blair, Communism, the Luciferian Freemasons,and the EU
August 3, 2008 ********************/58kxrq

http://uk.messages.news.yahoo.com/Po...47&tof=1&frt=2 (http://uk.messages.news.yahoo.com/Politics/threadview?m=tm&bn=UKN-POL-Blair&tid=34647&mid=34647&tof=1&frt=2)

[soulja]

the Rothschild connection would make sense.

but even if he wasn't a rothschild he still was from an important occult bloodline and placed in a smokescreen familie imo.

[eternal_spirit]

Rotshchild think it was Victor was named as the 5th column element double agent for the Communists. By a whistleblower who also worked for MI5/6 British Intelligence agency.
So, there is connections. Crowley was said to be a double agent or at least involve with Communist elements.

[thirdwave]

I am reading Christopher S. Hyatt now anyway :)

[marpat]

Private coven of the Golden Dawn? never heard of that before. Didn't the Grand freemason lodge in the UK refuse to recognise Crowleys 33deg?

It is easy for writers to make outlandish claims but not as easy to prove their claims. I guess it keeps the money coming in from their puppets who soak up anything without question.

[thirdwave]

Private coven of the Golden Dawn? never heard of that before. Didn't the Grand freemason lodge in the UK refuse to recognise Crowleys 33deg?



I think they refused to recognise most of his degree's...

[natural sceptic]

I went to the Abbey when I visited Cefalu two years ago. It is right next to a newly built Soccer stadium and is in a poor state of disrepair with the roof almost completely fallen in. The locals it seems will not demolish it and the place holds fear for them.

I eventually found the 'abbey' and scrambled down an embankment, which is now the only way you can get to it. It was a very hot day and we had been searching for a while. Earlier that day we had gone to the top of the 'rock' which the town of Cefalu resides around. There we found evidence of very recent activity. One building we went into had blood on the floor over some obviously Crowleyian layouts which had only been dry for probably a couple of days.

Finding myself standing outside his temple was sobering indeed. Most of the front windows and front door were boarded over. One of the windows had some boards missing and I climbed and lent half in and began taking photos. My temperature was rising and the sweat was pouring. Added to this the mosquitos were nipping. I could see his murals in this room and there was a hall way leading to some other rooms. Believe me when I say I could not climb in and venture into the other rooms. The walls were whitewashed by locals when Crowley was booted off Sicily. Since then some of the white has been peeled off. Only the bottom parts of the walls now have some detail left.. Here are the photos i took.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2797944932_7e5ce2e962_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/2797943726_254d0017a8_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2797097859_f9633923ec_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2797945356_3ea17c4a01_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2797958592_16eb8b3755_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2797130213_b1280625de_o.jpg

[marpat]

Interesting pics. Looks like there has been a good deal of graffitti put on the walls although it looks like some genuine painting are showing through.

[thirdwave]

Great pics... I would love to check that place out my self..

[eternal_spirit]

Great pics... I would love to check that place out my self..


Looks like a hoot :rolleyes: A mecca for satanists.
Marpat could bring a paint scraper and get off trying to decipher which scrawlings are original and from his Master.

[thirdwave]

Next time I go to Italy it defo a place I will go to check out!

[marpat]

Looks like a hoot :rolleyes: A mecca for satanists.
Marpat could bring a paint scraper and get off trying to decipher which scrawlings are original and from his Master.

You could come along and tell us how evil it is from your experience of dabbling. Perhaps you could exorcise the site with the vast power that you gained dealing with those evil spirits you claim harrassed you after you were dabbling. :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

Thought that would bring you out from the abyss.
I'll bring the holy water, we could stop off at Lourdes along the way you bring your little black bag of tricks. Edit maybe you'd prefer some firewater...Johnny walker black label.

[damagedbrainn]

As a topical aside, here's the oft quoted, but rarely sourced, statement of Crowley's regarding all the insignia, tokens, etc... that he was entitled to wear (this should sound familiar); placed within it's proper context for once:

It comes from his autobiography:
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/confess/chapter67.html

"As a side issue, Mathers having claimed in court to be the Chief of the Rosicrucian Order, I was invaded by an innumerable concourse of the queerest imaginable people, each of whom independently asserted that he himself, and he alone, was that Chief. Having my own information on the subject, though communicating it to nobody else, I got rid of these pests as quickly as possible. One of my callers, however, did show some method in his madness; a man named Theodor Reuss --- of whom more anon. Here I must simply mention that he was Grand Master of Germany of the combined Scottish, Memphis and Mizraim Rites of Freemasonry. I remembered that I had been made a Sovereign Grand Inspector General of the 33° and last degree of the Scottish Rite in Mexico ten years before, but I had never bothered my head about it, it being evident that all freemasonry was either vain pretence, tomfollery, an excuse for drunken rowdiness, or a sinister association for political intrigues and commercial pirates. Reuss told me a good deal of the history of the various rites, which is just as confused and criminal as any other branch of history; but he did persuade me that there were a few men who took the matter seriously and believed that the foolish formalism concealed really important magical secrets.

This view was confirmed when The Arcane Schools of John Yarker came to me for review. I wrote to the author, who recognized my title to the 33° and conferred on me the grades of 95° Memphis and 90° Mizraim. It seemed as if I had somehow turned a tap. From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. I possess more exalted titles than I have ever been able to count. I am supposed to know more secret signs, tokens, passwords, grand-words, grips, and so on, than I could actually learn in a dozen lives. An elephant would break down under the insignia I am entitled to wear. The natural consequence of this was that, like Alice when she found the kings and queens and the rest showering upon her as a pack of cards, I woke up."

[thirdwave]

Thought that would bring you out from the abyss.

Oh...

[krakhead]

SO, 477 posts later - have we come to a consensus yet?

[thirdwave]

SO, 477 posts later - have we come to a consensus yet?

ok...

I tttthink we have managed to conclude

A hand full of people think that Crowley was an evil Satanist who was a player in the illuminati and pushing the NWO.... attacking the wonders of Christianity and stuff... and that he was just brainwashing people into be a Satanist.... who he worshipped.

and we have a hand full of people who think that he was misunderstood man with more knowledge than given credit for by most, and despite his crazy ways and perverted sexual desires he was an easy target in those times and so on...

the anti AC lot have posted lots and of links from the internet showing other peoples research on him where they have concluded that he was an Evil Satanist...

the Pro AC lot are saying that these links are just others who want to draw the same conclusions as those here and are doing so with info thats not conclusive... in doing this they present alternative research that contradicts and counters the other links...

So we are two views... a hell of allot of links (most of what are ES's posting the same stuff to make sure it keeps on the front of the thread and pushes the others back) , and are left with the case that two groups of people share diforent opinions on a man, with some beliving what is written in some links, and others not beliving what is written....

during the time I have gone through a Crowley book and am now reading another occult man works C S Hyatt and have grown bored of even talking about Crowley as he was not THAT much of a liberator in my life!, I just simply see through the false image created for him.


so nothing has really been concluded only that the group that have respect for him continue to have respect for him and the group that don't continue not to...

[krakhead]

ok...

I tttthink we have managed to conclude

A hand full of people think that Crowley was an evil Satanist who was a player in the illuminati and pushing the NWO.... attacking the wonders of Christianity and stuff... and that he was just brainwashing people into be a Satanist.... who he worshipped.

and we have a hand full of people who think that he was misunderstood man with more knowledge than given credit for by most, and despite his crazy ways and perverted sexual desires he was an easy target in those times and so on...

the anti AC lot have posted lots and of links from the internet showing other peoples research on him where they have concluded that he was an Evil Satanist...

the Pro AC lot are saying that these links are just others who want to draw the same conclusions as those here and are doing so with info thats not conclusive... in doing this they present alternative research that contradicts and counters the other links...

So we are two views... a hell of allot of links (most of what are ES's posting the same stuff to make sure it keeps on the front of the thread and pushes the others back) , and are left with the case that two groups of people share diforent opinions on a man, with some beliving what is written in some links, and others not beliving what is written....

during the time I have gone through a Crowley book and am now reading another occult man works C S Hyatt and have grown bored of even talking about Crowley as he was not THAT much of a liberator in my life!, I just simply see through the false image created for him.


so nothing has really been concluded only that the group that have respect for him continue to have respect for him and the group that don't continue not to...

Good summation! :D

[kweli]

ok...

I tttthink we have managed to conclude

A hand full of people think that Crowley was an evil Satanist who was a player in the illuminati and pushing the NWO....

and we have a hand full of people who think that he was misunderstood man with more knowledge than given credit for by most,
...

We? I disagree with your mathematical conclusion. I think it's waaaaaaaay more than an handful. ;)

Perhaps we should start a poll?

[eternal_spirit]

Oh...

eh? Still shilling for Freemasons/Satanists and the NWO I see.

[krakhead]

eh? Still shilling for Freemasons/Satanists and the NWO I see.

I'm loving this current forum meme of accusing others of being shills, it's making me laff lots! :D

[thirdwave]

We? I disagree with your mathematical conclusion. I think it's waaaaaaaay more than an handful. ;)

Perhaps we should start a poll?

Im just talking about the wonderfully insightful people on the thread :) ..

Im am well aware the masses do not agree.

[thirdwave]

Good summation! :D

thanks! :)

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley one of his MI5/6 projects was a propaganda agent in Germany during the War. He should have been arrested after the war in England for this. So more proof that he was untouchable and beyond prosecution being an Elite NWO player.

Rotshchild think it was Victor was named as the 5th column element double agent for the Communists. By a whistleblower who also worked for MI5/6 British Intelligence agency.
So, there is connections. Crowley was said to be a double agent or at least involved with Communist elements. He may also be a bloodline Rotshchild.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=472716&postcount=463


We know the Rothschild family was involved with Crowley and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn spies and politics go hand in hand and I hope you know the Rothschilds got given the De Medicis (Templar before that) monopoly and spy network.

It lead to them controlling the British Treasury at the occasion of the end of The Battle of Waterloo. They had their British Royal cousin to thank for it. This is a fact admitted in their official biographies.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30332

[damagedbrainn]

Crowley one of his MI5/6 projects was a propaganda agent in Germany during the War. He should have been arrested after the war in England for this. So more proof that he was untouchable and beyond prosecution being an Elite NWO player.

No, he was a propaganda agent in America, and this propaganda consisted of intentionally outrageous Pro-German sentiment written to provoke anger against Germany and sympathy on the side of England. And this was before WWI, not during.

[eternal_spirit]

http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/dplanet/yorke2.htm (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/dplanet/yorke2.htm)

Crowley only rewrote the first six degrees in ritual form, the others
being in the form of lections. The IX° in Crowley's series does however
begin "Merlin by the Graces of God Triune, and by the favour and
appointing of the Secret Master, called to the service of Mankind, and
exalted among ye as the Outer Head of the Order, unto Baphomet, Summus
Rex Sanctissimus X° O.T.O. of Ireland Ionae and all the Britains ...".
The key degree does therefore remain as written by Reuss but
presumably translated (and possibly altered) by Crowley from the
German.

Before leaving the subject of Crowley, he was never expelled from
U.S.A. or refused admission to England. He was expelled from Sicily by
Mussolini, and the French refused on one occasion to renew his permit
de sejour - I possess the original document. He was never technically
expelled from France. He was never in difficulties or trouble with the
English Home Office. He did, however, die an undischarged bankrupt.

[eternal_spirit]

1917 Becomes editor of The International.
Takes up painting.

1925 Invited by Heinrich Tränker to Thuringen in Germany to become International Head
of the OTO.

1936-8 Visits to Germany. Meets Aldous Huxley.

1930-36 Is visited and supported financially by Karl Germer who to succeed Crowley as OHO
of the O.T.O.

1930-4 Wanderings in Germany and Portugal.
http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/1896/actimeline.html

[thirdwave]

ahhhhh!!, maybe ES is really trying to convince him self??

maybe he NEEDS to feel that all this stuff is evil and he NEEDS to feel Crowley was evil and with nothing of value, for him to find peace of mind!


By joe I think I've cracked it!!!

[krakhead]

ahhhhh!!, maybe ES is really trying to convince him self??

maybe he NEEDS to feel that all this stuff is evil and he NEEDS to feel Crowley was evil and with nothing of value, for him to find peace of mind!


By joe I think I've cracked it!!!

So are you saying we now have absolute, scientific proof that ES IS evil, and in denial, IS projecting this inner evil onto everyone else?! :eek:

My thoughts are with you and your family at this difficult time ES...........

[kasalt]

Leah Hirsig -- Mistress and follower of Aleister Crowley. She once said: 'I dedicate myself wholly to the great work. I will work for wickedness, I will kill my heart, I will be shameless before all men, I will freely prostitute my body to all creatures.' She was true to her word and was known to have sex with goats.

http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/M/masters_darkness/glossary.html


Stories of depraved sexual acts at the abbey quickly began to circulate, one of the most notorious involving Leah. A goat was sacrificed while penetrating her. She, and many others, were becoming severely unbalanced and addicted to drugs, and Crowley himself was increasingly dependent on heroin and cocaine. In this environment, Crowley and Hirsig's child died. She had a nervous breakdown.

Decay and disillusion

The end of the Abbey came when Raoul Loveday, one of Crowley's disciples, died after drinking the blood of a cat. Mortified, his wife Betty May fled back to England and sold her story to the press. The British media immediately dubbed Crowley 'the wickedest man in the world'. The temple was disbanded and many of Crowley's former disciples went mad or committed suicide. Leah Hirsig turned to prostitution.

http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/M/masters_darkness/crowley.html


Crowley used blood and sex in rituals to obtain energy and achieve mystical insight. One of his disciples died apparently from drinking the blood of a cat.

"... Worship me with fire and blood; worship me with swords and with spears..." (from The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley, 1938)

From Leah Hirsig he found an ideal partner and called her vagina as "the Hirsig patent vacuum-pump". Once a he-goat was induced to copulate with her. In 1921 he was consecrated a god by his followers...Loveday died when he killed a cat and drank its blood. The dead man's wife, Betty May, informed on Crowley's degraded activities, and the English papers were full of stories of his scandalous activities, ritual sacrifices etc.

http://www.hermeticresearch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=6&page=1


In his diaries, he claims to have transcended all material distinctions, shattering the boundary between pure and impure, such that even the most defiling substances -- including human excrement -- became for him the pure Body of God. Thus the shit of his Scarlet Woman, Leah Hirsig, became the "Thelemic Host" in his Gnostic Mass:

My mouth burned; my throat choked, my belly wretched; my blood fled wither who knows ...She stood above in hideous contempt...She ate all the body of God and with Her soul's compulsion made me eat...My teeth grew rotten, my tongue ulcered, raw was my throat, spasm-torn my belly, and all my Doubt of that which to Her teeth was moonlight and to her tongue ambrosia; to her throat nectar, in her belly the One God.

http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/VolumeV/Unleashing_the_Beast.htm


Several witnesses described the sacrifice of animals in the "magick" rituals. One such ritual is described as having a female follower copulate with a goat, and then Crowley would slash the goat's throat at the moment of climax. The blood was then collected and drank by the followers...Another sacrifice by a disciple named Loveday involving a cat went like this:

"The cat was placed on the altar; incense was burnt; magical invocations went on for two hours. At the end of this time, Loveday slashed the cat's throat with a knife; but the blow was too light, and the cat rushed around the room howling. It was caught again, etherized, and Loveday was made to gulp down a cup of the cat's blood."

Loveday contracted distemper after drinking blood from this poor cat and died a few days later... Throughout Crowley's career there were stories of infant sacrifice, but there never seemed to be much evidence for it. However, Crowley's own writings at first glance would seem to confirm this. "For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." But apparently when Crowley makes statements of infant sacrifice, he is jokingly referring to masturbation. Still, while Crowley lived in London, one of his maids quit and went to the police, complaining Crowley was killing children and dumping the cremated remains in the river Thames.

So we would have to ask people who follow Crowley, how is Crowley such an enlightened being? Is it his hatred for all other religions other than his own? Maybe it's the goat blood drinking, the feces eating, or the toad crucifying?

http://usminc.org/crowley.html

[eternal_spirit]

Edit from an interview with Ron Hubbard's son.

Hubbard: No research at all. When he has answered that question over the years, his answer has changed according to which biography he was writing. Sometimes he used to write a new biography every week. He usually said that he had put thirty years of research into the book. But no, he did not. What he did, reaily, was take bits and pieces from other people and put them together in a blender and stir them all up --and out came Dianetics! All the examples in the book --some 200 "real-life experiences" --were just the result of his obsessions with abortions and unconscious states... In fact, the vast majority of those incidents were invented off the top of his head. The rest stem from his own secret life, which was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic. That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington. D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law. He was very interested in several things that were the creation of what some people call the Moon Child. It was basically an attempt to create an immaculate conception --except by Satan rather than by God. Another important idea was the creation of what they call embryo implants --of getting a satanic or demonic spirit to inhabit the body of a fetus. This would come about as a result of black-magic rituals, which included the use of hypnosis, drugs, and other dangerous and destructive practices. One of the important things was to destroy the evidence if you failed at this immaculate conception. That's how my father became obsessed with abortions. I have a memory of this that goes back to when I was six years old.

Command Chart of Scientology leaked
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33979

[eternal_spirit]

For example, Hubbard was a member of the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis (AMORC) Rosicrucian order in 1940, and after his membership lapsed there were complaints that he had carried some of their secret teachings into Scientology (Hubbard and the Occult, Atack, p. 4).
In the Philadelphia Doctorate Course Lectures, Hubbard instructed his listeners in Crowley's system of Tarot cards. Atack notes that in the book, Equinox - Sex & Religion, Crowley represented the theta sign as "the essential principle of his system - thelema or the will" (Ibid.).
To Hubbard, the thetan is also the essence of a person, and the purpose of an "Operating Thetan" is to be able to control others by intention or will, and be able to exteriorize, exercising control of matter, energy, space, and time (Ibid., p. 6).

OT's (operating thetans) degress/levels in Scientology.


connections

[eternal_spirit]

SPECIAL REPORT : LAM : Aleister Crowley : Magick : Sex & ET Alien Contact

"...there are beings of intelligence and power of a far higher quality than anything we can conceive of as human; that they are not necessarily based on the cerebral and nervous structures that we know, and that the one and only chance for mankind to advance as a whole is for individuals to make contact with such beings." Aleister Crowley

Did The Olde Bloke Know Even More ?

http://www.dcodereport.com/images/lam.jpg"LAM is the Tibetan word for Way or Path, and LAMA is He who Goeth... Its numerical value is 71..." A.C.

In 1918 Aleister Crowley came into contact with a extra-terrestrial entity named LAM. [This humanoid-entity either called itself LAM or was named LAM by Crowley] The encounter was during a protracted Sexual-Magickal (http://www.simoniff.com/crowley/sex_magick.html) operation, the Amalantrah Working, with Soror Ahitha [Roddie Minor : his medium and partner] in New York City. [Amalantrah is the name of the entity with whom Crowley trafficked over the course of most of the Working] The Working manifested as a series of visions and communications received through Soror Ahitha. One of the revelations of this Magickal Working was the symbolism of the EGG and contact with LAM. They were told, "it's all in the egg".

The symbolism of the EGG featured prominently in communications with LAM : Is this an astral space-capsule for travelling to LAM's domain : for exploring extra-terrestrial spaces : or a UFO ?

The image of LAM embodies the quintessence of the Amalantrah Working. Crowley maintained the picture he drew of LAM is actually a portrait and drawn from real life. For Crowley, the image of LAM is of an interdimensional, praeter-human entity.

The rift in-between the spaces of the stars and the rent in the fabric of time, created by the Amalantrah Working, produced a gateway or fissure through which extra-cosmic influences can enter the known universe : Crowley had intentionally opened this portal of entry. LAM was conjured into physical manifestation via the Magickal portal Crowley created. The portal has since widened.

According to Kenneth Grant [the acknowledged successor to Crowley]
LAM is known to be a link between the star systems of Sirius and Andromeda
LAM is the gateway to the Void. Its number, 71, is that of "NoThing", an apparition
Lam is the occult energy beaming the vibrations of Maat and may proceed from that future aeon
LAM, as a Great Old One, whoes archetype is recognizable in accounts of UFO occupants
"...therein am I as a babe in an egg" AL.II.49
LAM has been invoked to fulfill the work set afoot by Aiwass; as a reflex of Aiwass
LAM as the transmitter to AL of the vibrations of LA via MA, the key to the Aeon of Maat
Crowley considered LAM to be the soul of a dead lama of Lêng, between China and Tibet
Aleister Crowley gifted Kenneth Grant with his original drawing of Lam in 1945

It would seem from this official statement [Kenneth Grant's above] that the current invokers of LAM are absolutely certain that LAM and the current rash of gray-aliens are one and the same : Crowleyian Magickians fully believe that they are indeed invoking extra-terrestrial entities into our earth-world.

rowley's portrait of LAM can be used to establish contact or rapport with LAM : MODE OF CONTACT (http://www.simoniff.com/lam/lam_contact.html) ...be careful...here below

LAManaut A Magickal Method of Contact

According to Kenneth Grant: To gaze into the eyes of this entity is to invite potent contact. One feels an immediate senstion of lightness, of weightlessness, and then a sensation of falling... of being sucked into the vortex of an infernal astral funnel.

For a contactee experience, the Mode of Entering the Egg is as follows. (This basic procedure is based on The Lam Statement, a text circulated among Typhonian circles) note: Proceed with caution.

.'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'.

1) Sit in silence before the portrait.

2) Invoke mentally the name Lam.

3) Gaze at the portrait until drowsiness supervenes. The gaze will naturally rest upon Lam's eyes; these will appear to enlarge and will suck in the consciousness until there arises a sensation of being within the entity's head.

4) If response is felt to be positive, do not resist... enter the Egg and merge with That which is within, and look out through the entity's eyes on what appears now to the lamanaut an alien world.

5) Seal the Egg; close the eyes of Lam and await developments.

It is unwise to proceed further if one is uncomfortable either physically or astrally.

.'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'. .'.

Download the Protrait of LAM (http://www.simoniff.com/lam/lam.zip)

All of this confirms the opinion of those who consider Lam to be something, or some one, not of this earth. :rolleyes:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=496161&postcount=81

[eternal_spirit]

Alice Bailey and Blavatsky were involved with Theosophy

They are the Aquarian Age Community and the Lucis Trust. The Aquarian Age Community (AAC) holds their meetings within a conference room at the United Nations building.

One of their most revered spirit guides is referred to by many names, and was the spirit guide of Lucis Trust founder Alice Bailey. This spirit guide is called “The Tibetan Master, Djwhal Khul”, or sometimes just “The Tibetan Master”. The AAC meets regularly at the U.N. and discusses New Age spirituality. They open their meetings with meditation. One of their purposes as outlined in their mission statements is to “promote the work of the United Nations as it seeks to uplift and improve life on our planet”. Another purpose they list is to “cooperate and collaborate with the worldwide community that is actively preparing the way for the reappearance of the World-Teacher – the Christed (Anointed) One, the true Aquarian.”The Lucis Trust, incorporated originally in New York as the Lucifer Publishing Company, was founded by Alice Bailey – an occultist. Lucis Trust is a United Nations NGO and has been a major player at the recent U.N. summits. Later Assistant Secretary General of the U.N. Robert Muller would credit the creation of his World Core Curriculum for education to the underlying teachings of The Tibetan Master, Djwahl Kuhl via Alice Bailey's writings on the subject.
At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 866 United Nations Plaza and it is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a program called "World Goodwill". Among the many sponsors of the Lucis Trust are: former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, the president of the World Bank, a member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow).

United Nations Meditation Room

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"...there are beings of intelligence and power of a far higher quality than anything we can conceive of as human; that they are not necessarily based on the cerebral and nervous structures that we know, and that the one and only chance for mankind to advance as a whole is for individuals to make contact with such beings." Aleister Crowley

Did The Olde Bloke Know Even More ?

http://www.dcodereport.com/images/lam.jpg"LAM is the Tibetan word for Way or Path, and LAMA is He who Goeth... Its numerical value is 71..." A.C.

In 1918 Aleister Crowley came into contact with a extra-terrestrial entity named LAM. [This humanoid-entity either called itself LAM or was named LAM by Crowley

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A magazine was published and pushed by the Scottish rite Freemasons called the "New Age." The Lucis trust formerly the Lucifer Trust, brought out many books, Blavatsky, Bessant their father's where high ranked Freemasons, I think the women may have been in the Eastern Star, but they where all Theosophists.

So it's the Culture Creators who were busy pushing the New Age and creating this as part of our culture.

Annie Bessant/Helen Patrona Blavatsky/Alice Bailey (Theosophy) who also claimed to channel entities wrote about a great white brotherhood known as the "Ascended masters" who guided world leaders and the fate of humanity, form other dimensions.

Eventually Bessant admitted that there were no Ascended Masters, and the names she called them by where literally names of Elite Freemasons etc her superiors anagrams or Titles of their names.

The idea of the Ascended Masters guiding humanity originated with religious and occult ideas/texts-there are many versions, Buddhism/Hinduism probably the first.

Also the top of the Illuminati pyramid Lucifer is said to reside as a entity/spirit.

When a man reaches the highest levels/degrees some say they take part in rituals that allows possession by said Lucifer/or entities hence; Lucifarian conciousness, which is also a description of those working for the NWO.

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John Todd quotes

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ON THE TOP OF EACH PYRAMID YOU WILL SEE A CAPSTONE WITH AN EYE IN IT. The capstone is the Rothschild Family or Tribunal that rules the Illuminati, they were the creators of it. The eye is Lucifer, their god and their voice. The first 3 top blocks are on every pyramid. (See above photo.)

THE TOP BLOCK IS WHAT I WAS INITIATED INTO, THE COUNCIL OF 13 CALLED THE GRAND DRUID COUNCIL. They only take orders from the Rothschilds and nobody else. They're their private priesthood. The Council of 33 is directly under them, that is the 33 highest Masons in the World. The Council of 500, some of the richest people in the World--there are 500, actually, some of the richest people and conglomerates in the World--it's their real power as I'll show you in a minute.


The Golden Dawn is the 4th block up there, and it's the Rothschild's private coven. The Aquarian Arts Festival is the organization that ties all of the Occult Brotherhoods together in St. Paul, The Witches Church of America I was a member of. The Church of All Worlds is located in St. Louis. These are denominations like Northern Baptist, Southern Baptists, Independent Baptists, etc.

THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES, THE SATANIC BROTHERHOOD OF AMERICA, SCIENTOLOGY, UNITY, is the main platform for Witches to be speakers at towards what they consider to be Christian people. The Church of Wicca is another denomination; it's in Greenfield, North Carolina.

THE AQUARIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS FORMED BY ONE OF THE GRAND DRUIDS, ISAAC BONOVITZ, and the American Civil Liberties Union. Its purpose is to pass laws and to sue Christian churches in Federal court for defaming Witches and the Occult, and they have been winning millions of dollars in the Federal courts.

THE GARNARIAN BROTHERHOOD IS THE TRADITIONAL WITCHCRAFT IN ENGLAND. The Order of the Rose Cross--another word for it is Rosicrucians--they are a sacrifice order. And the Holy Order of the Garter is another traditional English Witchcraft group. (Points:)

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL: THIS IS THE POWER OF THE ILLUMINATI. Without the Sphinx the mystery of the Illuminati would have no power. This is where all of its power comes from. You will notice the head of it is the Rothschild Family and the Council of 500. Under that, the Rockefellers, Duponts, Kennedys, Onasises and other families. Queen Juliana is also on the Council of 500.

OVER IN THE CENTER IS ITS HEART, THE BANK OF ENGLAND, THE BANK OF FRANCE, THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT. Most people feel the Federal Reserve Act is a government organization. It is not! It has nothing to do with the Government of the United States; it is a stockholder company owned by individuals. Much of the stock is owned by non-Americans........

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The Elite believe that the same souls/spirits reincarnate into the same family bloodlines (genes) into the next generation ( G ) The original master souls as they refer to themselves created the perfect bodies to inhabit by pure will and thought.
They truly believe they are the afore mentioned souls, who are here to guide (rule) over us they call the profane masses. The Egyptians had similar beliefs.


These are said to incarnate into positions of power and influence World events, while others will guide from spirit World/dimension via channeled communication.

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Summary
Crowley Thelema Religion Scientology Religion
partly based on aliens and salvation of the individuals soul/being.

Both intelligence agents

Both Science fiction writers and con men.

Both Satanists Hubbard thought of himself as carrying on from

Crowley.
The Oath of Fealty
I bind my blood in Satan's hands,
All this that lieth betwixt my hands,
To thee, the Beast, and thy control,
I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.(Aleister Crowley, Satanic Extracts, Black Lodge Publishing 1991)
Both Occultists/Philosophers/could also be classed as Psychologits/Psychiatrists