The Number 23

[devnull]

Hi. First post, so please don't bite me. :cool:

23 seems to be quite a significant number in many contexts.

I know there's a movie on this, with Jim Carrey, which I haven't seen yet.

I'm curious to know what is the number 23 usually related to in the context of secret societies, masonic lodges or any fields where this might have special relevance.

What do you know about it?

[thelonious]

23 seems to be quite a significant number in many contexts.

I know there's a movie on this, with Jim Carrey, which I haven't seen yet.

I'm not a fan of Jim Carrey, but it's actually pretty good.

I'm curious to know what is the number 23 usually related to in the context of secret societies, masonic lodges or any fields where this might have special relevance.

What do you know about it?

It has no particular significance in Freemasonry.

[mike martin]

Hi. First post, so please don't bite me. :cool:

23 seems to be quite a significant number in many contexts.

I know there's a movie on this, with Jim Carrey, which I haven't seen yet.

I'm curious to know what is the number 23 usually related to in the context of secret societies, masonic lodges or any fields where this might have special relevance.

What do you know about it?

I've seen 23, good film, nice to see that Carey can act like a grown-up.

The number 23 has no particular relevence in Freemaosnry

Mike

[the duke]

I've seen 23, good film, nice to see that Carey can act like a grown-up.

The number 23 has no particular relevence in Freemaosnry

Mike

Doesn't David Beckham wear number 23!?! Sinister!!!

[intruder]

2 planes, 3 buildings!! uh-huh, uh-huh!!

[the duke]

2 planes, 3 buildings!! uh-huh, uh-huh!!

Well that explains everthing!...How could I have missed it!...It's plainly obvious!!!

[intruder]

Well that explains everthing!...How could I have missed it!...It's plainly obvious!!!

Oh Duke...it explains nothing, and my post was not in reference to yours that preceded it. Just another coincidence, that's all.

[mike martin]

2 planes, 3 buildings!! uh-huh, uh-huh!!

What were the 3 buildings?

M

[intruder]

What were the 3 buildings?

M

Sept. 11/2001.The 2 World Trade Center Towers<MUCH PUBLICITY!! and Tower 7<less publicity as it was most likely the control center, which Larry Silverstein had "pulled".

And all three fell with impeccable and disgusting radial symmetry.

[mike martin]

Sept. 11/2001.The 2 World Trade Center Towers<MUCH PUBLICITY!! and Tower 7<less publicity as it was most likely the control center, which Larry Silverstein had "pulled".

And all three fell with impeccable and disgusting radial symmetry.

Ahh I see.

Except wouldn't that make it 3 planes and 4 buildings as the Pentagon was involved.

In fact weren't there actually 4 planes as one failed to reach its target and crashed near Shanksville.

M

[the duke]

Ahh I see.

Except wouldn't that make it 3 planes and 4 buildings as the Pentagon was involved.

In fact weren't there actually 4 planes as one failed to reach its target and crashed near Shanksville.

M

That still equals 23 though:

You have 4 planes and 4 buildings.
4 x 4 = 16.
1 + 6 = 7, added to the original 16 = 23!!!

Can't you see this is obviously a cover-up and conspiracy!?! With simple mathematical logic like that, who can prove 'The Conspiracy Hunters' wrong!?!?!?!

There is clearly a scientific link between 23 and the 9/11!!!! ha ha ha:D

[deathcultreject]

Hi. First post, so please don't bite me. :cool:

23 seems to be quite a significant number in many contexts.

I know there's a movie on this, with Jim Carrey, which I haven't seen yet.

I'm curious to know what is the number 23 usually related to in the context of secret societies, masonic lodges or any fields where this might have special relevance.

What do you know about it?

It's the synchronicity number, it's connected with strange coincidences.

It's a new magical number assosciated with Discordia, I think Robert Anton Wilson added it to the Discordian tradition after William Burroughs wrote about it.

You'll find it with contemporary orders like TOPY and the IOT but not with older orders like Freemasonry or Druidry.

Synchronicity is an unexplained phenomenon which becomes more common if you do some of the following;

Research into aparent conspiricies.

Ritual magic, trances, shamanism.

Exploring your own psyche.

If you do all these things, then you'll get a lot of synchronicities.

The fact the synchronicities increase when one does conspiricy research means that synchronicity itself can explain a lot of strange findings.

Frustrating isn't it?

[the duke]

That still equals 23 though:

You have 4 planes and 4 buildings.
4 x 4 = 16.
1 + 6 = 7, added to the original 16 = 23!!!

Can't you see this is obviously a cover-up and conspiracy!?! With simple mathematical logic like that, who can prove 'The Conspiracy Hunters' wrong!?!?!?!

There is clearly a scientific link between 23 and the 9/11!!!! ha ha ha:D

There is definitely a link between the number 23 and those Sex Cults in the vain of 'Eyes Wide Shut'!!!!

Controversial you say! I have scientific mathmatical proof!!!!

23 = the magic number
3 = 3 in the bed
23 x 3 = 69!!

And we all know what 69 stands for! yes, Up-state New York Sex Cults!!!!

Conclusive logical scientific proof yet again of the link between the number 23, and all kinds of dodgy goings on!!!

[adramelech]

If you're trying to be funny, you aren't. Although it is kind of amusing seeing a Mason attempt to mock numerology.

[the guy in pink]

If you're trying to be funny, you aren't. Although it is kind of amusing seeing a Mason attempt to mock numerology.

As a Mason and an engineer I have a problem with something like numerology as that it gives significances to certain numbers and combination of numbers, but the combinations can only work based on the counting system used.
Today we mainly use a base 10 counting system. What happens if we switch it to something different like base e , base 12 or base 16 counting system, does it still work or have the numerlogists then got to come up with new systems for each countig system?

[adramelech]

As a Mason and an engineer I have a problem with something like numerology as that it gives significances to certain numbers and combination of numbers, but the combinations can only work based on the counting system used.
Today we mainly use a base 10 counting system. What happens if we switch it to something different like base e , base 12 or base 16 counting system, does it still work or have the numerlogists then got to come up with new systems for each countig system?

Most popular esoteric numerology systems persist through invented counting systems. In fact, the influence of counting systems on human consciousness is often discussed, with focus placed on the transfer of 12 to 10 as the "master number" and other events of perceived importance. Considering the importance placed on various numbers in Masonic symbolism as well as the influence of numerology in many of the concepts which help form esoteric Masonry, it seems funny to me that a member would spout off such stuff.

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/euclid_unveiled.html

[celtic isis]

Hi. First post, so please don't bite me. :cool:

23 seems to be quite a significant number in many contexts.

I know there's a movie on this, with Jim Carrey, which I haven't seen yet.

I'm curious to know what is the number 23 usually related to in the context of secret societies, masonic lodges or any fields where this might have special relevance.

What do you know about it?

hey devnull :) great minds think a like cause i did a thread about this awhile back...i'll see if i can find it for you...

the movie is very good, you'd enjoy it.

here's the thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9604&highlight=carrey+number

to be honest, most of us got bored after being scared about this 23 stuff for about a week :o

Too much to be thinking about other than 23 being some kind of doomed number but the coincidences are striking.

[deathcultreject]

There is definitely a link between the number 23 and those Sex Cults in the vain of 'Eyes Wide Shut'!!!!

Controversial you say! I have scientific mathmatical proof!!!!

23 = the magic number
3 = 3 in the bed
23 x 3 = 69!!

And we all know what 69 stands for! yes, Up-state New York Sex Cults!!!!

Conclusive logical scientific proof yet again of the link between the number 23, and all kinds of dodgy goings on!!!

Ahh, as Discordia teaches in the Law of five;

Everything is somehow related to the number five, if you think about it long enough.

For some this is also true about sex.

Since I once used a form of Gematria to prove that 'the moon' does not equal 'green cheese' I can claim that science has backed me up on my numerology quite conclusively.

[jacob sladder]

Hi. First post, so please don't bite me. :cool:

23 seems to be quite a significant number in many contexts.

I know there's a movie on this, with Jim Carrey, which I haven't seen yet.

I'm curious to know what is the number 23 usually related to in the context of secret societies, masonic lodges or any fields where this might have special relevance.

What do you know about it?


Let's see: Ah, No. 23, Chicken chow mein. Prefer 69 myself (Sweet and sour pork) :D:D....

[danielson23uk]

Let's see: Ah, No. 23, Chicken chow mein. Prefer 69 myself (Sweet and sour pork) :D:D....

Ahhhh I concur jacob. Number 69, or Tu Kan Chu as it's pronounced in Mandarin is most peoples favourite.

[intruder]

I'll post another erroneous example. 2+3=5, I know! I know, my math skills are obviously stunning, but I hate to boast.

1 x 2 x 3 x 4 = 24 IMPRESSIVE, I know!!! :)

1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5 = 120

yet here we make a significant leap in the difficulty of "manageability" due to the increase in variables.

The Orientals are known for favouring elegant simplicity. this could be the reason for their use of the pentatonic scales (not exclusively, but primarily) in their music. C - D - E - G - A for a C major pentatonic, and C - Eb - F - G - Bb for a minor pentatonic. And yes, blues and rock n' roll favour these scales as well. In terms of improvisation, it's much easier to negotiate a 5 note scale rather than a 7 note diatonic, or a 12 note chromatic scale due to an increase in variables. The challenge with a 5 note scale is rhythmic development more so than melodic development. A 12 tone chromatic scale offering a rather IMPOSING 479,001,600 variables.

[intruder]

http://www.helpingthekids.ca/files/image/Canadian%20Flag.jpg spot the 23? I'll treat the the two red columns (pillars? Jachin and Boaz?) as our first "11", the 11 pointed leaf next for 22, and the white background as "1", making..............23

And I've NEVER encountered an 11 pointed leaf, probably because they don't exist. Our flag SCREAMS occultism!! HA!!!!!!!!! I didn't even plan it, but this was the 23rd reply...:)

[intruder]

OR...forgo the white background as our "1" and replace it with the leaf's stem.
being lowly colonialists, we were at least afforded the red and white, yet denied the blue. the noble "blue blood"

[intruder]

Well here it comes, here comes another day
Another decision on the way
Well here it comes, here comes a color display
Of preferences to make
Well here it comes, here comes a knock on the door
Open it for an opportunity
Well here it comes, here comes a busy parade
For memories to be made

Eyes wide open
Eyes wide open all the time

There it was, it was a pefect take
And were you asleep or awake?
Well there it was, it was a perfect time
To speak your mind
And there it was, it was the chance of a lifetime
Flew right by, and what did you do?
Well there it was, it was another day
For memories to be made

Eyes wide open
Eyes wide open all the time
I've got my eyes wide open
Eyes wide open all the time
Cause you never know what you might see

Eyes wide open
Eyes wide open all the time
I've got my eyes wide open
All the time
Eyes wide open
Cause you never know what you might see
-King Crimson

[the duke]

http://www.helpingthekids.ca/files/image/Canadian%20Flag.jpg spot the 23? I'll treat the the two red columns (pillars? Jachin and Boaz?) as our first "11", the 11 pointed leaf next for 22, and the white background as "1", making..............23

And I've NEVER encountered an 11 pointed leaf, probably because they don't exist. Our flag SCREAMS occultism!! HA!!!!!!!!! I didn't even plan it, but this was the 23rd reply...:)

Yeah they do, Leaves always come in groupings of Prime numbers 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13...etc.

[intruder]

Why three leaves on a single stem. While I can't claim to be a vexill-botonist, I am unaware of any maple tree that has three leaves on a single stem. Is there a hidden meaning to the three or just artistic license?
Nathan Bliss - 17 August 1998

True. This is impossible, because maple leaves always grow two by two,


So the arms of Canada, Quebec and Ontario are not botanically correct, so to speak. Whether this is a problem or not is debatable, because a dragon doesn't exist, so one could argue that the flag of Wales isn't zoologically correct! But of course, the three arms cited above are meant to represent a certain reality, unlike the flag of Wales, so...

> Is there a hidden meaning to the three or just artistic license?

Not officially, but we could suppose that there was a certain religious intent behind this decision.
Luc-Vartan Baronian - 17 August 1998

And I'm curious as to which "religion" used artistic license.

[intruder]

http://www.bloomindelights.com/M01_Small%20Maple.jpg

[quetzalcoatl]

THE 23 ENIGMA



Undeniable facts from the movie

-Jim Carrey’s production company is JC23 Entertainment.
-The Number 23 began filming on January 23, 2006.
-The letters in Joel Schumacher and Jim Carrey’s names add up to 23.
-The letters in Virginia Madsen and Jim Carrey’s names add up to 23.
-The Number 23 opened in theaters on February 23rd, 2007.

-King Charles I was beheaded Jan 30th 1649 :- 3 + 0 + 1 + 6 + 4 + 9 = 23.
-Shakespeare was born & died on April 23 - & his works were first published in 1623.
-The Titanic sunk on the morning of April 15th 1912 :- 4 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 9 + 1 + 2 = 23.
-The Genome contains 23 pairs of chromosomes.
-Hiroshima Bombed Aug 6th 1945 :- 8 + 6 + 1 + 9 + 4 + 5 = 23.
-The Witches Sabbath is June 23rd.
-TWA flight 800 - 230 people dead - explosions occurred in seats 23 J & 23 K.

-George Herbert Walker Bush - contains 23 letters.
-William Jefferson Clinton - contains 23 letters.
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt - contains 23 letters.

-US declared war on Germany Dec 11th :- 12 + 11 = 23.
-Caesar was stabbed a total of 23 times.
-Terrorists attack marine barracks in Beirut on Oct 23rd 1983 - 241 solders killed 24 - 1 = 23.
-Charles Manson was born on Nov 12th :- 11 + 12 = 23.
-Barbarians invaded Rome August 23rd 410.




Film: Star Wars

-R2-D2 and C-3PO: R2+C3=RC (Rosy Cross, Rosicrucian) and 23.
-The cell block where Princess Leia was held on the Death Star was AA-23 on Level 5.
-When Luke Skywalker is in the trench during his bombing run, the first number you see on the targeting computer is 23. The next scene that shows the computer shows the number 32. :cool:



Further 23 anomalies

-Numbers 32:23 - Be sure your sin will find you out.
-Palms 23 - Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death..
-Matthew - 16:23 Get thee behind me Satan..
-2/3 of the angels decided to stick it out in Heaven with God after Lucifer and the other third fell.
-2/3 = .666
-Revelations of The New Testament has 22 sections, the 22nd having 21 lines; implying a progression to 23.
-The most frequent numbers in the Book of Revelations are 4 (the powerful beasts) 7 (seven seals) & 12 (12 apostles) :- 4 + 7 + 12 = 23
-I Corinthians 15:56 Paul said "The sting of death [23] is sin and the strength of sin [13] is the law [10]."
-Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
-Psalm 23:The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want...
-Joseph Smith, founder of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (AKA -Mormons). Born Dec 23rd 1805.
-Dagobert II (last Merovingian King) was murdered - Dec 23rd 679.


-The number of joints in the human arm is 23.
-There are 23 vertebrae in the human body.
-The full rotation of DNA double helix occurs every 23 angstroms.
-The average lifespan of a human being on the planet Earth, is roughly 23,000 days
-Each parent contributes 23 chromosomes to the DNA of a child.
-In humans, the 23rd chromosome determines gender.
-It takes 23 seconds for blood to circulate throughout the entire body.
-The human biorhythm cycle is generally 23 days.

-Adolf Hitler organized the National Socialist Congress on January 23. On November 23 he tried to seize power.
-WW11 started Nov 1st 1939 :- 1 + 9 + 3 + 9 = 22 22 + 1 = 23
-Hitler killed himself April 1945 :- 4 + 1 + 9 + 4 + 5 = 23.

-The ancient Egyptian and Sumerian calendars begin on July 23.
-Psychic Edgar Cayce started having visions of lost Atlantis in 1923.
-2 x 2 x 3 x 3 x 3 or 2 to the power of 2 times 3 to the power of three = 108, the number of auspicious signs by which the Buddha is known.


-There are 23 letters in the Latin alphabet.
-W is the 23 letter of this alphabet. The symbol for that letter is two points down and three points up.
-There are 23 buildings on the Microsoft campus in Redmond, Washington.
-W W W = 23 + 23 + 23 = 69
-There are exactly 23 plainly visible characters (letters & numbers) on the front of U.S. Coins.
-Bill Clinton's numerical initials are B=2 C=3.
-WTC attacks September 11th 2001 :- 9 + 11 + 2 + 1 = 23
-Osama Bin Laden was born March 10th 1957 :- 1 + 0 = 1 & 1 + 9 + 5 + 7 = 22 & 22 + 1 = 23.
-"Scottish Rite Freemasonry" has 23 letters.
-The address of the Freemasons lodge in Stafford, England is 23 Jaol Rd. In New York it is on 23rd street.
-The address of the Grand Encampment of the Knights Templar USA is 5097 N. Elston Avenue Suite 101 :- 5 + 0 + 9 + 7 + 1 + 0 + 1 = 23.
-October, 13th (10 + 13 = 23) is the month and day that the Knight Templars were arrested in France; hence Friday the 13th being considered a day of bad luck.
-Jacques de Molay was the 23rd and last of the Templar Grandmasters.
-Kennedy was assassinated on November 22nd 1963 :- 2 + 2 + 1 + 9 + 6 + 3 = 23.
-April 19th is the date the Battle of Lexington, Waco, and the Oklahoma City Bombing :- 4 + 19 = 23

-The Beatles first song on Side A of the first Album took 23 takes to record.
-The Band U2 :- U is the 21st letter in the alphabet added to the number two gives you 23.
-Kurt Cobain was born in 1967 :- 1 + 9 + 6 + 7 = 23.
-Kurt Cobain died in 1994 :- 1 + 9 + 9 + 4 = 23.

-The Illuminatus Trilogy refers to this enigma as the 23/17 phenomenon.
-Hexagram 23 in the 'I Ching' oracle means "break apart." 23 in telegrapher's code means "break the line."
-Aleister Crowley defined number 23 as "parting, removal, separation, joy, a thread - hauntingly suggestive of the DNA life-script.




Zodiac/Astrology & the Number 23

-The harmonic convergence occurs every 23,000 years.
-The Mayans believed the World would end on Dec 23rd 2012 :- 20 + 1 + 2 = 23.
-Earth tilts on a axes of 23.5 degrees .5 equal to 2 + 3 = 5.
-March 23rd 1997 - comet Hale Bopp was at her closest point to Earth, 123 million miles.
-The days on which the signs of the Zodiac begin and end are the 22nd and 23rd of most months.
-Sirius A has a luminosity of 23.5.
-The "Dog Days" of summer begin on July 23rd when the star Sirius, in the Constellation of Orion, first rises from behind the sun.
-Average Lunar Cycle is 28 (23+5) days.
-The ideal orbit for a satellite is 23,000 miles above the Earth
-It's -23 Celsius on Mars.
-Geosynchronous orbit occurs at 23,000 miles above Earth's surface.
-The distance from the center of Mars to its nearest moon is 23,500 km.




Ufology

-23 + 23 + 2 + 3 = 51 (Area 51)
-23 Annunaki, the number of the original advance team of "aliens" who aided in the seeding of life on this planet.
-April 23; More reported UFO sightings on this day than any other day of the year. This is the flapday of the year.
-The date of the 'weather balloon' crash at Roswell, New Mexico was July 3rd 1947 :- 7 + 3 + 1 + 9 + 4 + 7 = 32 - The reverse of 23. :cool:

[damagedbrainn]

Anyone who takes the "23 Enigma" seriously, or literally, just doesn't understand RAW's (or Discordia's) sense of humor.

[quetzalcoatl]

Random coincidences (if you believe in them) can only explain it so much..

There's enough synchronicity to nab my curiosity.

[barney_rubble]

As a Mason and an engineer I have a problem with something like numerology as that it gives significances to certain numbers and combination of numbers, but the combinations can only work based on the counting system used.
Today we mainly use a base 10 counting system. What happens if we switch it to something different like base e , base 12 or base 16 counting system, does it still work or have the numerlogists then got to come up with new systems for each countig system?

I switch my counting system when I lost a finger.

I now use ahhh ... 1... 2...
BASE 9!

[icke and ham]

I switch my counting system when I lost a finger.

I now use ahhh ... 1... 2...
BASE 9!

Do you have a funny handshake barney? No wonder you are a mason :)

I know a true story about chinese food numbers. A man I knew was started on chinese food by his cusin who had been out with his workmates. Cusin ordered lots of dishes by only looking at his list of favorite numbers. Guess what, not all chinese restarants use the same numbers!

[the guy in pink]

I know a true story about chinese food numbers. A man I knew was started on chinese food by his cusin who had been out with his workmates. Cusin ordered lots of dishes by only looking at his list of favorite numbers. Guess what, not all chinese restarants use the same numbers!
Knew a guy who ran a chinese numbers game know as Far-fee.
Now the numbers game is supposed to be run by a chinese fella, but he used runners to collect the bets and runners to pay out, so the runners pretended he was a "Chinaman" and everyone was happy.
Some people will bet on anything, a lucky Chinese number is as good as anything I suppose.

[deathcultreject]

Anyone who takes the "23 Enigma" seriously, or literally, just doesn't understand RAW's (or Discordia's) sense of humor.

I think Discordia is first and foremost a sense of humour, but it's also a way of looking at the world without getting weighed down by it.