Cotton Wool Kids

[kweli]

Shit! More predictive programming. I'm sure this program is going to convince a lot of people of the 'necessity' to microchip children.

Cotton Wool Kids
Cutting Edge - C4 Thursday 10 April 2008 9pm

'Childhood is changing. Anxious parents fear that modern Britain has never been a more dangerous place for children. They believe the greatest danger lurks outside the home. But as some families go to increasingly extreme lengths to keep their children safe, this Cutting Edge documentary explores the effect it is having on modern childhood.

Told partly through the eyes of the children themselves this film explores the anxieties and fears of modern parents and takes a look at how technology plays an increasingly important role in their children's lives; for play or for protection.

Faced with what they believe to be a world of unacceptable risk, the three parents in this documentary admit they are over-anxious, explaining simply that they feel it is 'better to be safe than sorry'

Get this bit:

'When nine-year-old Abi, goes shopping at home in Essex with her mum Toni, she is told that people they pass in the street may be potential abductors. Abi travels with her mother to see some new microchip technology that could offer a way to track her every movement for safety's sake.'

Complete article: http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/C/cutting_edge/cotton_wool_kids/kids1.html

[cheesedanish]

I refuse to let my kids grow up fearful in this world ... hard but I am trying to let them run and play free and have normal upbringings in an abnormal society surrounded by electric fences and security.

[kweli]

I refuse to let my kids grow up fearful in this world ... hard but I am trying to let them run and play free and have normal upbringings in an abnormal society surrounded by electric fences and security.

Good on you. Unfortunately the majority of parents don't feel the same way, as this exerpt from the same article shows:


'There is a cautionary note to the film: 76% of parents believe there has been a dramatic increase in child murders but statistically there has been no such increase. (Families for Freedom, Advocacy group – 1998 Questionnaire). Yet, partly because of such fears, children today have less freedom than ever before; as Adel says: "My son doesn't have enough experience of the outside world" but for these protective parents, the perceived risks outweigh potential consequences.'

The Madaleine McCann stunt seems to be paying off nicely for them. :rolleyes:

[steevo]

My mate is a sheeple. He tells me he wants his 12 year old daughter to be microchipped because "look at Shannon Matthews and Madeliene McCann". He thinks paedophiles might take her away.

The same mate is having relationship problems with his wife (alcohol related)so when she kicks him out after a fight (every week) he hangs around outside my house waiting for me to come home so he can come in and stay here for a bit till his wife calms down.

ANYWAY, one of my female neighbours in her late 50s sees him hanging around outside waiting for me. She gets worried and thinks that HE is a paedophile lol (it's like a big f*cking joke but really it's not funny it's PATHETIC).
So the next day she comes knocking on my door to discuss my mate and I tell her not to worry that he is NOT a paedophile and that she watches too much TV and is living in fear and that fear leads to hate and division and that is why our communities are non-existent now. I told her straight. She actually thought my mate might be hanging round to get the 15 year old girl who lives very close by and the funny thing is that that dumb woman KNOWS that that is my mate but she is still fightened.

How f*cked up is this country and it's sheeple :eek: It aint funny.

[beldazar]

Bloody heck steevo, I would laugh if it wasnt so serious :(

[mondo23]

I find it strange that a pertition against microchipping was sent to the government and they replied that they would never endorse microchipping of people as they considered it unlawful, yet here we have a case 'on national television' of a mother who has had her kids chipped.
What gives?

[cleopatraxxx]

the same way it is possible to activate a microchip in your body, after having the abducted child in their hands, the deactivation of it would be the first thing to do.

so if Madeline had a microchip, the 1st thing those abductors would have done was deactivating it, so in essence, nothing would have been different. the microchip would have been found on the ground of the kidnapping location.

not even the microchip can save kids from being kidnapped/abducted :(
of course it is useless for the benefit of anything
it is tho very useful for the negative side of the user.

[kweli]

Just a reminder, this program is on at 9pm tonight.

[krakhead]

I find it strange that a pertition against microchipping was sent to the government and they replied that they would never endorse microchipping of people as they considered it unlawful, yet here we have a case 'on national television' of a mother who has had her kids chipped.
What gives?

Ah, but of course they'd never consider it! Unless public opinion demanded it! I'm sure that with a few more scare stories and a few more 'documentaries' telling us how microchipping is the only answer then the government will be forced to reconsider!

'There is a cautionary note to the film: 76% of parents believe there has been a dramatic increase in child murders but statistically there has been no such increase. (Families for Freedom, Advocacy group – 1998 Questionnaire).

I was going to bring this up, media scare tactics have made people think that the world is rife with paedophiles and murderers. But how many sheeple will bother to look up statistics for themselves?

[mrwind]

Hey everyone,

I am watching a documentary on Channel 4 in England as I type this, called Cotton Wool kids. It must be the most appalling piece of indoctrination i have ever seen on British TV!

Basically its following the lives of children as young as 3 up to early teens and their ultra-over protective parents, examining their thoughts and feeling of the world around them.

Apart from giving the children nightmares from the constant horror stories of impending abduction, (much lip service is given to Madelaine McCann), a 14 year old boys fear of freedom and possibility of his rape if he strays too far from his parents, gang killings and all the nasty things that go bump in the night. One mother even takes her daughter to a "professor" who specializes in microchipping, children to "monitor" there whereabouts. As well as showing us how small the chips are compared to last years grain of rice model, we are even shown the program they use to track the chipped "person" on the computer. The poor girl is dragged off to have a discussion (not much of one) on her views on her imminent bugging, her words along the lines of "I don't mind about the microchip; I just want to be safe" was unbelievable .

I understand that parents must be wary and inform their children of the dangers, no argument there! What was shocking to me, was the extreme caution these parents were displaying and how mind controlled they were by the media; one father was even quoting statistics from that most reliable of early morning mind control papers(that is given out free on public transport every morning for the masses to consume over latte or in traffic jams, here in Bigbrother-Britain) "The Metro" news!.

It would be interesting to hear any thoughts and views of anyone who saw this, if you haven't seen it check out 4 on demand, later or tomorrow, I'm sure they will be this showing this special piece of scare mongering on there real soon!

Be seeing you!!!

[lookfar]

Hi mrwind & welcome to the forum :)

Not sure if you've seen it, but kweli has made a thread about this here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23778

Anyway, it's good to have you onboard & hope you enjoy it here:)

[mrwind]

Nope didn't see it i apologise :( I shall divert my attention to it now! As it just finished i assumed i was the 1st to make comment on it! ;)

thanks for the welcome!

[howie]

Microchipping makes it easier for the NWO to select the kids they want to abduct, they didn't have this technology in the 1970s so they had to rely on teachers & doctors within the paedophile ring to select their victims. My MP thinks rfid is a great idea but then he would, 3 kids at the schools where he taught at have died in suspicious circumstances after allegations of sexual abuse.

[lookfar]

Nope didn't see it i apologise :( I shall divert my attention to it now! As it just finished i assumed i was the 1st to make comment on it! ;)

thanks for the welcome!

No need to apologise, it happens quite often here:) There are so many threads that you just can't keep up with them all & see what's already been posted:)

I'll merge your thread into the other one so that your post doesn't get lost...

[dangermouse]

No need to apologise, it happens quite often here:) There are so many threads that you just can't keep up with them all & see what's already been posted:)

I'll merge your thread into the other one so that your post doesn't get lost...

ahhh so its not groundhog day :D

[mrwind]

thanks alot!!

[kweli]

Hey everyone,

I am watching a documentary on Channel 4 in England as I type this, called Cotton Wool kids. It must be the most appalling piece of indoctrination i have ever seen on British TV! Basically its following the lives of children as young as 3 up to early teens and their ultra-over protective parents, examining their thoughts and feeling of the world around them.

Apart from giving the children nightmares from the constant horror stories of impending abduction, (much lip service is given to Madelaine McCann), a 14 year old boys fear of freedom and possibility of his rape if he strays too far from his parents, gang killings and all the nasty things that go bump in the night. One mother even takes her daughter to a "professor" who specializes in microchipping, children to "monitor" there whereabouts. As well as showing us how small the chips are compared to last years grain of rice model, we are even shown the program they use to track the chipped "person" on the computer. The poor girl is dragged off to have a discussion (not much of one) on her views on her imminent bugging, her words along the lines of "I don't mind about the microchip; I just want to be safe" was unbelievable .

I understand that parents must be wary and inform their children of the dangers, no argument there! What was shocking to me, was the extreme caution these parents were displaying and how mind controlled they were by the media; one father was even quoting statistics from that most reliable of early morning mind control papers(that is given out free on public transport every morning for the masses to consume over latte or in traffic jams, here in Bigbrother-Britain) "The Metro" news!.

It would be interesting to hear any thoughts and views of anyone who saw this, if you haven't seen it check out 4 on demand, later or tomorrow, I'm sure they will be this showing this special piece of scare mongering on there real soon!

Be seeing you!!!

Hey mrwind, yes I watched the program and share the same views as you. I found it absolutely sickening! Some of those parents wanted locking up; why on earth would you instil such fear into children? And yes, the mainstream media seem to have acheived their goal, it's all playing out just as planned. The constant references to Madeleine McCann, not only from the parents, but from the kiddies themselves, showed that. For me, It dispels even the slightest doubts that the Madeleine McCann case is all about the Microchip agenda. I can well imagine, this program will convince the masses, that the microchip is the answer to their prayers over the safety of their children. I also got the feeling that the producers had instructed the parents/kids to ham up their fears, it was so exagerrated!


If Channel Four does have a re-run planned, I would urge everyone to watch it. Honestly, you'd be hard pressed to find a horror movie more scary than this shit piece of propaganda!

[mrwind]

Hey mrwind, yes I watched the program and share the same views as you. I found it absolutely sickening! Some of those parents wanted locking up; why on earth would you instil such fear into children? And yes, the mainstream media seem to have acheived their goal, it's all playing out just as planned. The constant references to Madeleine McCann, not only from the parents, but from the kiddies themselves, showed that. For me, It dispels even the slightest doubts that the Madeleine McCann case is all about the Microchip agenda. I can well imagine, this program will convince the masses, that the microchip is the answer to their prayers over the safety of their children. I also got the feeling that the producers had instructed the parents/kids to ham up their fears, it was so exagerrated!


If Channel Four does have a re-run planned, I would urge everyone to watch it. Honestly, you'd be hard pressed to find a horror movie more scary than this shit piece of propaganda!

I agree this is a must see for anyone who can get to watch it!

As you say Kweli, I too can see no reason for this apart from the advancement of the microchipping as the norm for the protection of our childrens saftey! Saftey from what? It seemed to me the very people these kids needed to be protected from was the parents who were pumping their own media generated fears and anxieties into their own childrens precious and absorbent minds!

Then to hear these children discussing their (parents) fears in stress workshops, whilst using well known self hypnosis techniques, (when they were tapping the pressure points on their bodies) was child abuse. the way these kids were talking was like they were being told what to say but didnt have the vocabulary to pull it off! watch their eye line when they are talking- straight to the parents/directors waiting off camera, holding up PSPs, Ipods amd Iphones no doubt!!

Roll out the ritalin and the mood stabiliser, hey lets drink some fuckin Aspartame ridden soft drink too! Channel 4 should be ashamed of themselves!!!

[quester123]

I saw the TV program last night and was saddened to see how easily people can be frightened and manipulated by the media.

I also noticed that "Captain Cyborg" was wheeled out to promote the child chipping agenda...again:mad:

Regular readers of El Reg have been following Captain Cyborg for some time.
See Below




Captain Cyborg pushes kid chipping via Maddy abduction case
'It would not be difficult' (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/15/cyborg_abduction_chips/)
By Chris Williams → More by this author
Published Tuesday 15th May 2007 15:54 GMT
Nail down your security priorities. Ask the experts and your peers at The Register Security Debate, 24th September 2008

It is with heavy heart and grim sense of inevitability that The Register and its long-time readers note the attachment of the Captain Cyborg agenda to the McCann abduction investigation.

Under the headline "Would an implanted chip help to keep my child safe?", The Times reports that laughable Reading University Professor Kevin Warwick has been "bombarded with emails over the past few days from parents desperate to keep tabs on their children".

Warwick last entered a missing child media scrum after the Soham murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. Back then he was slammed by charities, the sane, and us, and powered down his robotic claws, but not before he'd recruited unfortunate 11-year-old Danielle Duval as a volunteer.

The tweenage guinea pig never went through with Warwick's child-tracking experiment. Her parents didn't want to comment this time.

The borg's unrepentant earthly advance party opined: "There were ethical concerns, and as a scientist you have to listen."

But after "listening" it seems Britain's numero uno cybernetic heretic thinks events in Portugal mean 2007 could be the year of the kiddie chip.

He reckons that if public hysteria can be fermented to the right level, it would "not be difficult" to make implants available nationally "in a relatively short period of time".

Indeed, The Times agrees that child-tracking devices will "almost certainly have a surge in sales over the next few weeks". Look out, eBay.

We'll leave it to Michelle Elliot, director of the child protection charity Kidscape, to have the last word: "We have 11 million children in the UK. For the past 25 years between five and seven children have been abducted and killed by a stranger each year, and that has not changed. Are we becoming paranoid to the point where we give children the message that life is so dangerous that they have to be tagged?" ®
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[kweli]

I saw the TV program last night and was saddened to see how easily people can be frightened and manipulated by the media.

I also noticed that "Captain Cyborg" was wheeled out to promote the child chipping agenda...again:mad:

Regular readers of El Reg have been following Captain Cyborg for some time.
See Below




Captain Cyborg pushes kid chipping via Maddy abduction case
'It would not be difficult' (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/15/cyborg_abduction_chips/)
By Chris Williams → More by this author
Published Tuesday 15th May 2007 15:54 GMT
Nail down your security priorities. Ask the experts and your peers at The Register Security Debate, 24th September 2008

It is with heavy heart and grim sense of inevitability that The Register and its long-time readers note the attachment of the Captain Cyborg agenda to the McCann abduction investigation.

Under the headline "Would an implanted chip help to keep my child safe?", The Times reports that laughable Reading University Professor Kevin Warwick has been "bombarded with emails over the past few days from parents desperate to keep tabs on their children".

Warwick last entered a missing child media scrum after the Soham murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. Back then he was slammed by charities, the sane, and us, and powered down his robotic claws, but not before he'd recruited unfortunate 11-year-old Danielle Duval as a volunteer.

The tweenage guinea pig never went through with Warwick's child-tracking experiment. Her parents didn't want to comment this time.

The borg's unrepentant earthly advance party opined: "There were ethical concerns, and as a scientist you have to listen."

But after "listening" it seems Britain's numero uno cybernetic heretic thinks events in Portugal mean 2007 could be the year of the kiddie chip.

He reckons that if public hysteria can be fermented to the right level, it would "not be difficult" to make implants available nationally "in a relatively short period of time".

Indeed, The Times agrees that child-tracking devices will "almost certainly have a surge in sales over the next few weeks". Look out, eBay.

We'll leave it to Michelle Elliot, director of the child protection charity Kidscape, to have the last word: "We have 11 million children in the UK. For the past 25 years between five and seven children have been abducted and killed by a stranger each year, and that has not changed. Are we becoming paranoid to the point where we give children the message that life is so dangerous that they have to be tagged?" ®
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* Captain Cyborg gets oil-check at BBC (1 August 2002)
* Cyborg strip-searched by Air Canada (22 March 2002)
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* Did Captain Cyborg implant a dog tracking chip? (5 October 2001)
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Hey thanks for the link quester, I'll have a good read of that, never heard of Captain Cyborg before.

[neutron flux]

Then to hear these children discussing their (parents) fears in stress workshops, whilst using well known self hypnosis techniques, (when they were tapping the pressure points on their bodies) was child abuse.

EFT is not hypnosis. I find rather good for eliminating fears and phobias and in no way would anyone class it as child abuse. :rolleyes:

[quester123]

Hey thanks for the link quester, I'll have a good read of that, never heard of Captain Cyborg before.

your most welcome, Kweli:)

Here's a clip from a young lady on Youtube expressing her opinions about the "Cotton Wool Kids" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmAyeAX8Go0)

[celtic isis]

Shit! More predictive programming. I'm sure this program is going to convince a lot of people of the 'necessity' to microchip children.

Cotton Wool Kids
Cutting Edge - C4 Thursday 10 April 2008 9pm

'Childhood is changing. Anxious parents fear that modern Britain has never been a more dangerous place for children. They believe the greatest danger lurks outside the home. But as some families go to increasingly extreme lengths to keep their children safe, this Cutting Edge documentary explores the effect it is having on modern childhood.

Told partly through the eyes of the children themselves this film explores the anxieties and fears of modern parents and takes a look at how technology plays an increasingly important role in their children's lives; for play or for protection.

Faced with what they believe to be a world of unacceptable risk, the three parents in this documentary admit they are over-anxious, explaining simply that they feel it is 'better to be safe than sorry'

Get this bit:

'When nine-year-old Abi, goes shopping at home in Essex with her mum Toni, she is told that people they pass in the street may be potential abductors. Abi travels with her mother to see some new microchip technology that could offer a way to track her every movement for safety's sake.'

Complete article: http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/C/cutting_edge/cotton_wool_kids/kids1.html


brilliant post kweli, thank you so much for posting this. I can follow this up now and post it round my email contacts (i did an info email thingy about madeleine mccann etc and i told them they'd be seeing more things on tv pro microchipping/tracking of children...et voila!


and steevo...what a story! it's these situations with the ingorant people (i don't mean ignorant in a bad way) that are the hardest for us to bite our tongues! fair play to you for what you said to her!

:)

[steevo]

and steevo...what a story! it's these situations with the ingorant people (i don't mean ignorant in a bad way) that are the hardest for us to bite our tongues! fair play to you for what you said to her!
:)

The latest on that story is I told my mate what she had said and as expected he was really pissed off that "she had called him a nonce" lol
Anyway, I was talking about the incident for about 15 mins with him and I made sure that he understood how HIS fear and HER fear are both the same and this fear is dividing communities and it's simply cos they watch that brainwashing box in the corner and have no understanding of how it effects everyone brainwashed sheeple who watches it. I didnt use the word "sheeple" when I was speaking to him btw.
Funnily enough, I have noticed that the word "sheeple" is being used by more people nowadays, friends of mine have used the word a few times to describe other sheeple (and they havent got that word from me so they must be picking it up elsewhere :))

[mrwind]

EFT is not hypnosis. I find rather good for eliminating fears and phobias and in no way would anyone class it as child abuse. :rolleyes:

...

Its fair to say its not classified as hypnosis strictly speaking; however it does relieve stress and fears, that if not dealt with can turn into phobias, which can be alleviated by a clinical hypnotherapist. So I guess it is complementary to hypnosis. It is a technique taught by hypnotherapists to patients suffering with phobias, fears and anxieties, as a self hypnosis stress relieving technique, exactly what they were teaching the kids to administer to themselves, mantra style. But thanks for the correction there!:rolleyes:

The fact that these poor children were having EFT classes, as a direct result of having been subjected to the psychological impacting stories and worst case scenarios set out for and repeated by their parents day and night, is IMO, child abuse. Children think about things differently to adults, it is a gift that we lose along the way of "growing up", as the ego and self awareness expand and as our consciousness is bombarded with the trivialities and dangers of daily life, force fed us by the media and those toxic vampires around us and in "power".

These majority of these kids were not at an age to have found their own voice, let alone express their thoughts in the manner they did, the ones who did have something to say were given no real platform (someone pass the 3 year old the script and hit record).

How many of those kids asked to go to EFT class that day, or even appear in the documentary???

"Daddy, I'm 5 years old and sick of the world, life's a bitch, please take me to the EFT workshop on Thursday, with the nice TV crew". Yeah right!

It was the parents that are being fooled and the kids are suffering for it. I do not think its intentional or ill meaning directly, but ignorance is no excuse here. They cannot see the bigger picture, the blinkers are on, its tunnel vision time and its the kids that are the planets future right? How will they shape the world, after being born into and influenced by a paranoid society laid out before them by their parents? No wonder toxicity is spreading like a disease throughout the consciousness of youth culture!

It may not leave physical scars today but it leaves emotional ones tomorrow (physical one years later in many cases), it was evident for the duration of this program, and thats abuse! Tell me how many of those kids who appeared were happy??

As John Lennon sang:

As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool,
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can't really function you're so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero well just follow me,
If you want to be a hero well just follow me.

[quester123]

...

Its fair to say its not classified as hypnosis strictly speaking; however it does relieve stress and fears, that if not dealt with can turn into phobias, which can be alleviated by a clinical hypnotherapist. So I guess it is complementary to hypnosis. It is a technique taught by hypnotherapists to patients suffering with phobias, fears and anxieties, as a self hypnosis stress relieving technique, exactly what they were teaching the kids to administer to themselves, mantra style. But thanks for the correction there!:rolleyes:

The fact that these poor children were having EFT classes, as a direct result of having been subjected to the psychological impacting stories and worst case scenarios set out for and repeated by their parents day and night, is IMO, child abuse. Children think about things differently to adults, it is a gift that we lose along the way of "growing up", as the ego and self awareness expand and as our consciousness is bombarded with the trivialities and dangers of daily life, force fed us by the media and those toxic vampires around us and in "power".

These majority of these kids were not at an age to have found their own voice, let alone express their thoughts in the manner they did, the ones who did have something to say were given no real platform (someone pass the 3 year old the script and hit record).

How many of those kids asked to go to EFT class that day, or even appear in the documentary???

"Daddy, I'm 5 years old and sick of the world, life's a bitch, please take me to the EFT workshop on Thursday, with the nice TV crew". Yeah right!

It was the parents that are being fooled and the kids are suffering for it. I do not think its intentional or ill meaning directly, but ignorance is no excuse here. They cannot see the bigger picture, the blinkers are on, its tunnel vision time and its the kids that are the planets future right? How will they shape the world, after being born into and influenced by a paranoid society laid out before them by their parents? No wonder toxicity is spreading like a disease throughout the consciousness of youth culture!

It may not leave physical scars today but it leaves emotional ones tomorrow (physical one years later in many cases), it was evident for the duration of this program, and thats abuse! Tell me how many of those kids who appeared were happy??

As John Lennon sang:

As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool,
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can't really function you're so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero well just follow me,
If you want to be a hero well just follow me.

Agreed Mr Wind,
(not that I have anything against EFT whatsoever...It's an amazing tool IMHO)

If only some "techno savvy wizard" could put the entire TV program "Cotton Wool Kids" onto the web for everyone to see..then, I feel, we would all have some more further understanding

[mrwind]

Agreed Mr Wind,
(not that I have anything against EFT whatsoever...It's an amazing tool IMHO)

If only some "techno savvy wizard" could put the entire TV program "Cotton Wool Kids" onto the web for everyone to see..then, I feel, we would have more understanding

Neither do I, its as you say an amazing tool, when used correctly and on people who really see its amazing benefits. These kids were told they needed it, that there in lies and creates the problem!

I am not sure if its on yet but im sure it will be on 4 on demand soon. Probably on youtube in a few days.

http://www.channel4.com/4od/index.html?cntsrc=ppc_4od_google_4+demand

[quester123]

Neither do I, its as you say an amazing tool, when used correctly and on people who really see its amazing benefits. These kids were told they needed it, that there in lies and creates the problem!

I am not sure if its on yet but im sure it will be on 4 on demand soon. Probably on youtube in a few days.

http://www.channel4.com/4od/index.html?cntsrc=ppc_4od_google_4+demand

thank you:)

[neutron flux]

Its fair to say its not classified as hypnosis strictly speaking; however it does relieve stress and fears, that if not dealt with can turn into phobias, which can be alleviated by a clinical hypnotherapist. So I guess it is complementary to hypnosis. It is a technique taught by hypnotherapists to patients suffering with phobias, fears and anxieties, as a self hypnosis stress relieving technique, exactly what they were teaching the kids to administer to themselves, mantra style. But thanks for the correction there!

While it may be used with hypnotherapy, it is not standard procedure and is usually implemented without the need of putting the subject into a hypnotic trance - and from the footage it didn't seem like they were engaged in any type of hypnotherapy thus I think it would be incorrect to say the kids were receiving any kind of hypnotic induction or anything to do with hypnosis.

The fact that these poor children were having EFT classes, as a direct result of having been subjected to the psychological impacting stories and worst case scenarios set out for and repeated by their parents day and night, is IMO, child abuse.

Well, it's not EFT that is impacting on the kids but rather the parents paranoia - but they are just as manipulated as most people by the media. I still can't see it as child abuse, more of an over reaction to a perception of imminent danger.

How many of those kids asked to go to EFT class that day, or even appear in the documentary???

"Daddy, I'm 5 years old and sick of the world, life's a bitch, please take me to the EFT workshop on Thursday, with the nice TV crew". Yeah right!

Well, I can't think a child would have been aware of EFT but I can't see any harm in it.

It was the parents that are being fooled and the kids are suffering for it. I do not think its intentional or ill meaning directly, but ignorance is no excuse here. They cannot see the bigger picture, the blinkers are on, its tunnel vision time and its the kids that are the planets future right? How will they shape the world, after being born into and influenced by a paranoid society laid out before them by their parents? No wonder toxicity is spreading like a disease throughout the consciousness of youth culture!

Yes, but the parents seemed to think they were receiving an accurate picture of reality due to their trust in the system of the media. Some might wake up, but more often than not they choose to buy into the lies and distortions and react accordingly to the programming. Some people just can't think for a moment that the media or government would lie to them - they can't go there as it would open a can of worms in their psyche. It's their choice. Their kids on the other hand might hold a different view as they get older.

It may not leave physical scars today but it leaves emotional ones tomorrow

That's the function of EFT though: to eliminate any emotion problems so they don't create "aspects" that may take the form of phobias or physical ailments.

The use and success of EFT can be down to the quality of the practitioner, and from what I witnessed the woman seemed pretty low quality although that is only based on the short snippets that were shown.

[mrwind]

While it may be used with hypnotherapy, it is not standard procedure and is usually implemented without the need of putting the subject into a hypnotic trance - and from the footage it didn't seem like they were engaged in any type of hypnotherapy thus I think it would be incorrect to say the kids were receiving any kind of hypnotic induction or anything to do with hypnosis.

I never said that they were receiving a hypnotic suggestion. I said that it is a Well known self hypnosis technique.

Well, it's not EFT that is impacting on the kids but rather the parents paranoia - but they are just as manipulated as most people by the media. I still can't see it as child abuse, more of an over reaction to a perception of imminent danger.

I agree with you that its the parents paranoia not EFT that is impacting the kids. It is that which I deem as abuse, psychologically, emotionally, not EFT. The fact that they are going based upon their parents fears, instilled in their own minds, is what I'm getting at.

Well, I can't think a child would have been aware of EFT but I can't see any harm in it.

I disagree, these kids are attending the sessions, learning how to relieve themselves of anxieties and irrational thoughts placed in their minds by their over protective parents, not as a direct response to anything they have experienced that has become an issue in their young lives.They are the ones attending and learning EFT, would they then not associate this with something wrong with them?

Yes, but the parents seemed to think they were receiving an accurate picture of reality due to their trust in the system of the media. Some might wake up, but more often than not they choose to buy into the lies and distortions and react accordingly to the programming. Some people just can't think for a moment that the media or government would lie to them - they can't go there as it would open a can of worms in their psyche. It's their choice.

100% agree with this part, we all see it everyday of our lives in those round us, well put! We; however, are deprogramming ourselves and can see a wider perspective.


Their kids on the other hand might hold a different view as they get older.


I disagree. Is it not just repeating the cycle all over again, controlling what other people think and how they react. Hopefully they will see things differently.

That's the function of EFT though: to eliminate any emotion problems so they don't create "aspects" that may take the form of phobias or physical ailments.

Your right, its a wonderful tool and very effective. As I said before, if its used to help people who generally need it. Ok, I'm sure the kids do benefit form the techniques they learn, and it does relieve the stresses their parents have implanted in their minds. Surely a game of football, cricket, climbing a tree, exerting energy, socialising with other children in more conventional ways, would be more beneficial, rather than self help groups focusing on fear!

The use and success of EFT can be down to the quality of the practitioner, and from what I witnessed the woman seemed pretty low quality although that is only based on the short snippets that were shown.

Again I agree with you 100% here.

We may differ on what we deem abuse. However, these kids were not happy children, they had the worlds troubles on their shoulders as a direct result of their parents exposing them to constant fear and scaremongering. They were bribed with material possessions and followed around shopping centres by their folks. Forced to go to self help workshops and not allowed to interact fully with their peers. To me that is abuse, maybe because I can relate to their upbringing, though if you don't deem it the same, that is your right and opinion, and are most welcome to express it

[howie]

Download it from http://www.thebox.bz

[kweli]

Again I agree with you 100% here.

We may differ on what we deem abuse. However, these kids were not happy children, they had the worlds troubles on their shoulders as a direct result of their parents exposing them to constant fear and scaremongering. They were bribed with material possessions and followed around shopping centres by their folks. Forced to go to self help workshops and not allowed to interact fully with their peers. To me that is abuse, maybe because I can relate to their upbringing, though if you don't deem it the same, that is your right and opinion, and are most welcome to express it



I totally agree with what you're saying here, but folk really need to view this program to make their own minds up. Once they have, then I will defy anyone that trys to tell me this is not child abuse.

[kweli]

Download it from http://www.thebox.bz

Cheers howie, but you need to be a member to view, and unfortunately, they're not ready to take new members without an invite. :(

[mrwind]

I totally agree with what you're saying here, but folk really need to view this program to make their own minds up. Once they have, then I will defy anyone that trys to tell me this is not child abuse.

Yep your quite right, If you can get to watch this, do!

[neutron flux]

mrwind, I understand what you're saying and agree apart from the point of the parents actions being abuse. The parents are over reacting to their external stimuli which has come from the media, but from their point of view they are caught in the grip of fear and their natural instinct is one of protection of their children, which I'm sure you'll agree one would do in order to insure the safety of their family. Is it over reacting? Sure. Is it a form of brain washing? Absolutely. Are they smothering their children and inhibiting them from interaction? Of course.

I can understand the concern of children taking part in EFT classes for such baseless fears, but as the children and parents were taking part, if the practitioner was any good or was teaching a class on a one-to-one basis then I think she would have eliminated the fears (especially if she had the knowledge and understanding that you or I may possess.) But obviously she didn't.

The bottom line to me is: the parents are doing their best according to their programming to keep their children "safe" from ridiculous fears. Is that abuse? If you had a robot that had an algorithm to keep a subject safe at any cost when confronted with a perceived danger and the robot followed a similar procedure to the parents, would that robot be abusive or just following its programming?

Whether you realize it or not: we are organic machines (some have termed such things as organic portals) until we understand our programs and stop being mechanical in our actions. Maybe that's being a little esoteric but I totally understand where you're coming from. Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on this. :)

[mrwind]

We shall to agree to disagree then on the abuse bit :)

I did find your comparison to robots and programming an interesting choice of example, with a central theme of this programme being about technology and microchipping playing a role in humanity's future.

Also with David Icke's research warning about the long term dangers of information being sent from "whoever" has access to the central terminal, to the chip (in people) to control moods, etc. Is he not warning about the danger of human beings becoming more like robots with algorithms to follow, instead of "free will" that some of us enjoy at the moment ;) if the chips are implemented on a compulsory basis?

However, that is another thread and a whole new can of worms! It has be good discussing this with you and everyone, a great thread Kweli!

Respect.