thoughts on circumcision???

[anoninnyc]

i am pregnant, not sure if a boy or girl yet but been thinking that if it is a boy i will not circumcize. in america most circumcize. i know it is the opposite over in europe. i am not jewish nor do i have any religious reason to circumcize and think it very well may be genital mutilation, not something i would want to put my baby through. there is some buzz about it lowering hiv rates or something. anyone have opinions/theories/advice or anything related to circumcision that they would like to share. my husband is circumsized but will let me have the final decision as i am quite annoying and he probably doesnt want to deal with my yapping.

[kha zarr]

before I begin anoninnyc just wanted to say Im not ranting 'at' you, Im ranting at 'it'!

Mothering has a forum including a subforum addressing the subject of circumcision - I remember a while back I saw it as a link but never really went there more than a couple times [when I started learning about it].

Im circumcised, almost 30 - i was born jewish but funny story my mohel was actually a doctor and I was lucky enough to still have my frenulum - I am currently restoring and sure its tedious but I definitely feel Im doing the right thing for myself, w/o a doubt. Speaking just for myself, I just want to say that a body part determining how much god loves me is a very twisted idea. Had to get it off my chest, anyways. And thankfully I didnt get..the 'M' word...my parents were actually in this level of observance during my early years [chabad] but luckily, I was not subjected to it, since he was a medical doctor at least. I think actually, that in religious ceremony it has taken the place of lifeblood sacrifice! But this is a whole other subtopic, the religious or ceremonial/cultural aspects. Boy I could talk a while about that.

Ive looked seriously into this issue for about a few months, during my spare time - turning it over in my head - before I began restoring, wondering purely out of curiosity after showering at the gym and realizing I was the different one...[circ is often done so the kid feels less 'different' its a cultural buzz yeah in US, also I hear in s. korea. and in phillipines if you have foreskin theres derogatory slang they call them 'supot'] anyways I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to hurt myself or anything like people realizing I had some sort of gadget on. {"Its not mine, honestly!"} Its really an ethics issue and usually is laughed about by other guys [I do think its nervousness and anger in the subconscious]. The topic is obviously controversial since it involves a sexual organ, which in a political frame can bring up so much, especially since the male and female counterpart organs [clitoris and clitoral hood/foreskin and glans] in common medical circles at least in the US, are not considered analogous, and female mutilation in general is worse in scope - the hairsplitting seems so bizarre its to the point of saying that circumcision is like clipping a fingernail [fingernails grow back on their own btw] .

I, like you, have read reports of hiv risk being 'lowered' via circ - in my honest opinion however when it comes down to plain medical ethics - circumcision to remove hiv is like labia removal to lower std risk - or removing a finger to improve the ease of holding a pencil. Imagine a news report saying 'pinky fingers are vestigial and inhibit ability to write'...! - If you wish to check out articles on www.norm.org and www.frcchat.org there are excellent articles there, interesting books, some maybe w/stronger more descriptive terms or photos [to avoid photos just click on the top that leads you to medical articles only], just as a forewarning, some written by doctors, others not, that explain this much much more in depth. Imo these sites are leading edge resources on the subject, including on restoration. theres a few support forums as well as product sites, some restoration products/gadgets however are more expensive than others [tissue expansion devices]. Very sensitive tissue is removed w/o consent, and at the very least it removes tissue that many doctors say, actually protect from sexual disease somewhat, and not the other way around! Of course it wont mean a man with foreskin w/a woman partner/s **can't get them. Studies on circ/aids being false, was done, professionally, but are recieving very little medical establishment attention. Which to me isn't surprising but should be given fair attention.

Medical circumcision imo, is done w/money in mind [ive heard stories that its hard to make sure a hospital will not circumcise babies - depending on the hospital in US that is - if youre in US make sure to keep an eye on your baby in there so he doesnt get cut b/c its a blindly followed procedure. In religion, imo its b/c of power trips in mind. Perhaps theres a metaphysical component [bioenergetic imbalance in REN meridian] but I have no way to figure this out for sure. Some of the anti-circ groups seem more politically motivated, as any activism group may be - though as I feel this practice absolutely should be stopped - the current collective consciousness on it does not seem very aware, at least from my few interactions when I tried to bring up the subject. What surprises me the most is that its controversial at all. Anyway, what is also known, is this: phimosis can be cured using various steroid creams and/or a medical-grade stretching device. Did you know there are even certain skin cremes like TNS recovery complex, and others like it - Oprah at one point has promoted TNS recovery complex - it synthetically reproduces the amino acids found naturally in neonatal foreskin fibroblasts, or NFF. Foreskin apparently has many stem cells....This is probably a huge market potential I dont know how big this is - but the principal of it to me is wrong. Besides live cell therapy is around - and personally I dont know much about that but I do know it is practiced in eurpoe, mexico, elsewhere but illegal in the US [and its not even from dead human embryos].

Obviously I'm not too happy that mine was taken, at first I didn't care and said thats ridiculous it doesn't matter! But restoring for me has proven to work for me thus far [mainly in the self-esteem/empowerment aspect]. Of course the topic of sexual proclivity comes up as a counter-arguement to all of this, that circ is good camp [victorian supression of 1800s as american rationale for circ, sex is dirty - and I dont know really if this suppression is responsible for sexual problems today but in many cases it well could be], which is very very large.... Actually they say 70% of sensation/function can be restored [but ridged band, most sensitive part, cant be] - unless of course microcurrent research like dr robert o becker did in the 70s and 80s can move forward [limb regen research]. This particular aspect seems very unlikely, and I just wanted to mention it since it would seem a fair request. I believe Dr john harvey kellogg promoted circumcision aggressively, among other things we all find bizzare today. A bizzarre movie, 'the road to wellville' [ok VERY bizzarre - hollywood movie, matthew broderick and anthony hopkins] is a simple way to look at it. Surgical restoration is very costly and risky, as is the procedure of circumcision itself - if youre brave enough circumstitions website goes in depth of the mistakes [:eek: :mad: ] that happen, and the stats on how its not as uncommon as we are told. I wish I was left intact but medicine in US in particular is far behind europe and most of the world, in knowledge of prepuce and its relationship to developmental psychology, neuroplasticity [sensation and its development with time] and anatomical structure of the prepuce [foreskin].

-reduced sensitivity article here:

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/2007-03-19pressrelease.pdf

-one counterarguement to the aids/foreskin theory is here:

http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/852571020057CCF6852571CD005207D9

and another is here:

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/info/HIVStatement.html


Good luck in your search!

[pollock]

Hi anoninnyc, I have not congratulated you yet so:

http://www.wondercliparts.com/congratulations/graphics/congratulation_graphics_6.gif

Great info kha zarr, I agree, noooo dont do it, the foreskin is there for a reason:D !

F

[melbo]

Some boys have problems with the foreskin when they're older, and its more painful to have the operation done then (so I'm told). It's a tough decision to make. If all his peers have been 'done' and he's the odd one out you will feel guilty, if you have it done as soon as he's born you'll feel guilty. Most Brits don't have it done, but the ones I've met who have been circumsized have all been happy with it as they think it looks nicer and they don't have to worry about cheese (sorry!)

[i am all i am]

i am pregnant, not sure if a boy or girl yet but been thinking that if it is a boy i will not circumcize. in america most circumcize. i know it is the opposite over in europe. i am not jewish nor do i have any religious reason to circumcize and think it very well may be genital mutilation, not something i would want to put my baby through. there is some buzz about it lowering hiv rates or something. anyone have opinions/theories/advice or anything related to circumcision that they would like to share. my husband is circumsized but will let me have the final decision as i am quite annoying and he probably doesnt want to deal with my yapping.

G'day Anoninnyc,

Male, circumcised, and I don't agree with it being done. What you have written yourself, and I've highlighted, is the truth. As Pollock said, it is there for a reason.


With LOVE.

[anoninnyc]

G'day Anoninnyc,

Male, circumcised, and I don't agree with it being done. What you have written yourself, and I've highlighted, is the truth. As Pollock said, it is there for a reason.


With LOVE.

i know this is extremely personal, but why do you feel this way? my husband has no problems at all with his circumcized penis, and i have been with him so so long that i am not very experienced sexually, havent really been around i guess. also kha zar thanks for your response. i will look into the links and do more research. i dont quite understand why you would go to the extreme of trying to get your foreskin back, but i am a woman and i guess i just dont understand these things very well. is it because you have a reduced sensation? and how would you know this if you were like this all of your life?

any women out there who have had both circumcized and uncircumcized? what feels better from a woman's perspective?

[anoninnyc]

ok kha zarr, the first article about reduced sensation got me. decision made. no circumcision if i have a son. i will be the oddball in the usa, but i dont want to hurt my baby. and thanks pollack.

[kha zarr]

Well, you know its interesting - initially I was hesitant but it was just a feeling i couldn't explain - that I wanted to do it [jews during greek times did it en masse, fortunately today its easier to do].

Something, call it instinct, was telling me to. Figure, if I can get it back, why not?? The principle of tissue expansion is used in those who try to make arms or legs the same height, plus I figured, hey, why not?

Conventional doctors might say its not possible but it has been done by lots of people - they say sensation is more. Finding out if sensation is improved or 'restored' is pretty much going to be a battle of anecdotes, unless that link I sent you discusses nervous output - the Meissner corpuscles [fine touch receptors] in the foreskin are supposedly very highly concentrated [Dr. John Taylor].

I mean, theres also these devices out there, I mean things like enlargers, or suction to increase breast size etc etc in fact huge junk mail campaigns out there that of course make people think its all phony and in fact silly. And a lot of it is. I don't concern myself as much w/size. However psychologically speaking the issue is different, since I was born w/one, my cellular holographic matrix or whatnot remembers having one. Ive read a report or two on the phantom limb syndrome and actually have experienced this myself in the bits, if you can believe it [sometimes pain, sometimes not] - when I was much younger but paid it very little attention [until last year I remembered].

I don't regret for one minute beginning my restoration efforts, and I'm determined to see it through. I don't believe for a second that I'm crazy for it, or perverted for doing it. Honestly for me its just about getting back what Ive learned can be put back, naturally. Plus I believe in the whole energetic idea of closing a leak in the field.

[i am all i am]

i know this is extremely personal, but why do you feel this way? my husband has no problems at all with his circumcized penis, and i have been with him so so long that i am not very experienced sexually, havent really been around i guess. also kha zar thanks for your response. i will look into the links and do more research. i dont quite understand why you would go to the extreme of trying to get your foreskin back, but i am a woman and i guess i just dont understand these things very well. is it because you have a reduced sensation? and how would you know this if you were like this all of your life?

any women out there who have had both circumcized and uncircumcized? what feels better from a woman's perspective?

G'day Anoninnyc,

I've taken some time to get back because I was adding to a thread that I started in the General area. It looks like you've already made your decision though.

I have no problem being circumcised, but I believe that we were born with all the parts necessary to experience life. Our physical bodies are perfect the way they are, without any interference from what some people believe to be improvements. Think of it this way, how would you feel about being circumcised ? There are places/cultures in the world that actually circumcise women.

Anyway, it is a decision that should be left up to the individual and not forced upon them without their consent, whether it is male or female circumcision.


With LOVE.

[indigo]

I wouldn't circumctise unless for medical reasons. I mean if men weren't supposed to have foreskin then they would be born without it. And women should definately not be circumctised;)

[geterix]

anoninnyc,

I'd have to say that circumcision is a decision that affects the male for the rest of his life. All parents have the opinion that they have the right to raise their children anyway they want but when it comes to circumcision you're taking away your son's right to make an informed decision when he becomes an adult. I wish that was a decision that my parents allowed me to make. To me (other's may feel differently) physical alteration is different than a parent's right to instill ideals and beliefs in their children.

Isn't that what we strive for in this forum? We want our governments, societies, big business, religons, and (dare I say) parents to give us the freedom to make truly informed decisions about how we're governed, the products we buy, and especially about our own bodies.

[hagbard_celine]

What do I think of circumsision? Well, it's no skin off my nose! :)

Seriously though, there's a big difference between removing a boys foreskin and the practice of what's known as "Female circumsision". It's often more acurately called FGM- female genial mutilation. Taking off the foreskin is a minor operation and it has a negligible effect on the function of the penis. FGM is the total dismemberment of the woman's vagina, robbing her of an enjoying sex for her whole life. It's the equivalent of a a male penectomy and castration combined.

I think it's origins lie in the preseval of male-domination in society. The Illuminati are essentially masculine in their outlook. they show all the signs of a Yang imbalance: Violence, agggression, a desire for power. Female energy is a threat to that because it risks bringing the world back into balance Luckily there's a massive effort to stamp out FGM, which is a sign that there is a balance starting to take hold.

[gremlin]

dont do it, ITS SICK, ive seen it done on tv. poor blitta. its almost done outta pleasure for whom does it, is it rabbis? more like rabists

[seamus]

Luckily there's a massive effort to stamp out FGM, which is a sign that there is a balance starting to take hold.
I am very glad to hear that. It is one of the most bestial practices performed regularly in the world.

Throwing my 2 cents in, I would say that I am glad to be circumcised, and reduced sensation, if a fact, doesn't bother me one whit. As far as I am concerned, sex is a contest to see who can make the other one feel better :) And I mean that most sincerely. The emotions the soul experiences and the waves of electrochemical activity that the brain goes through are, to me, much more satisfying and stimulating than the physical sensations, as pleasurable as those may be. Reduced sensitivity in that case would be an advantage, don't you think? ;)

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[geterix]

Sorry if some of my thoughts reiterate previous posts but I am kind of passionate about this issue. Please remember this is an academic discussion and none of it is personal. I want you to make an informed decision.

I think part of the freedom of choice for any son is to allow him to grow up and have as full of a sexual experience as possible. The information on circumcision indicates that it limits the experience. I'm sure it's great for circ'd men but those men that have been on both sides of the procedure say it's better uncirc'd (see below).

You say your husband doesn't have any problems with his circumcised penis (neither do I) but he also can't miss something he's never really had. One observation that's been made is that uncircumcised men masturbate differently than circ'd men. I hope some uncircumcised men chime in and let us know how much pleasure they attribute to their foreskins. Even if they don't necessarily feel pleasure directly in the foreskin, part of it's job is to keep the glans from drying out and that's where a lot of sensitivity comes from, so I've read.

I first heard about the objections to circumcision during a radio interview and the guest on the show stated that most grown men that had circ' done as a cosmetic procedure realized they made a mistake as their sexual sensitivity was dramatically reduced. The guest didn't give any statistics that I can remember but he also stated that many of these men would immediately go about a year long procedure to stretch the skin back over the glans and they would regain some but definitely not all of their sensitivity. I've started this procedure myself and it's not as bad as it sounds.

Also, what would the hurry be? I can't believe it would be more painful for an adult than for a child. Babies have very sensitive skin, yes? And, from what I understand they don't use anesthetic on babies (maybe that's changed in recent years, I don't know) but they definitely do on adults. We think of it as a procedure where the doctor cuts or snips the foreskin off but in a video I saw once he slowly tore it off.

If you do have a boy and are still considering this procedure ask your doctor how it will be done, if there will be anesthetic, and then ask yourself if this is truly an enlightened thing to do.

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss this issue.

[tinmenace]

I wouldn't circumctise unless for medical reasons. I mean if men weren't supposed to have foreskin then they would be born without it. And women should definately not be circumctised;)

Agreed. At least the person being mutilated should have a choice. No newborn baby is able to voice that choice. It's a choice forced upon him by the culture he was born into.

[eyedontbelieveu]

i am pregnant, not sure if a boy or girl yet but been thinking that if it is a boy i will not circumcize. in america most circumcize. i know it is the opposite over in europe. i am not jewish nor do i have any religious reason to circumcize and think it very well may be genital mutilation, not something i would want to put my baby through. there is some buzz about it lowering hiv rates or something. anyone have opinions/theories/advice or anything related to circumcision that they would like to share. my husband is circumsized but will let me have the final decision as i am quite annoying and he probably doesnt want to deal with my yapping.

Being a victim of circumcision I can say whole heartedly it is 100% cruel and wrong. Don't allow them to do this to your son! Is it genital mutilation?
A-B-S-O-L-U-T-E-L-Y.

P.E.A.C.E.

[paolo]

The prepuce is the most sensitive part. Why do it? Especially on babies. It is pure genital mutilation and there's no excuse for it
Other than the ridiculous UN's Dr de Kock's avowal that circumcision will control Aids So let's get the African cocks circumcised
What utter fucking crap

[smashstuff]

NO NO NO! Never! It's sick child abuse! God did not make a mistake with the foreskin! Don't do it!

Watch this sick video:

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=163488&fr=yfp-t-501

[kha zarr]

I know this is potentially off-topic, but has anyone heard of the work of Boyd Ed Graves, JD? He says AIDS is bio-engineered, as per the US special virus program from the 60s and 70s, and as per president johnson's public law 91-213 on overpopulation. Hold water? Yes? No? I think so but who knows this alone is a big thing involving lots, probably sounds crazy to say. Anyone ever see Boyd Graves interviews on youtube w/'the right side'? He claims AIDS was engineered in a lab and claims to have evidence, including a logic flowchart. hulda clark says aids becomes active by benzene toxicity in the thymus gland coupled w/morbid fasciolopsis buskii parasitosis there as well. peter duesberg says aids is just benzene toxicity, period. and of course, medical science as we know it says aids is from green monkeys and it simply developed out of awful sexual habits on their own. maybe all of the above? Graves says the green monkey story is false on the right side program videos. Hes a lawyer btw and not a doctor or biologist. But pretty darn smart w/his research I must say, Ive read his book.

Since I know very little about microbiology and stuff like that, I cant be sure either way, but I am sure that the hiv/circ link is a huge propaganda tool, intended to raise circ levels in the US back to where they were in the 80s. Why do 'they' need this to happen? hmm ..... Reppie human disguises made out of foreskins [I just figgured to 'take the piss' as it has been called here. They Live or 'V' but nastier, yech! I know it totally sounds nutty just had to say it].

This is an article about the uses of discarded foreskins: http://www.foreskin.org/f4sale.htm. Seems good right, diabetes, burn victims, stem cells - of course since circumcision tradeoff to stemcells, would it be fair that men who want their foreskins back resort to getting similar stemcell treatments [I wouldnt anyway]? Again men unhappy about it usually are told 'whats the big deal'? Its a very loud mantra in the collective 'un'consciousness. Adults born uncut sometimes write articles after deciding to get circumcised later in life, to persuade people that theres no sense difference [part of the anecdotal battle] - which is peculiar since Ive read at first, maybe up to a few years? Im not exact - but, at first, glans feels more sensitive, since it is still moist, still exposed to the air all the time. But the key is, over time, it callouses: http://hugoboy.typepad.com/hugo_schwyzer/2006/10/in_january_2005.html

the yiddish term 'putz' means discarded foreskin [obviously more derogatory].

Most important thing to do really is read the official medical opinions of doctors who oppose it, these are most reliable way to make your decision. The rest is supplemental but still imo important to consider.

[multiverse]

Dear Anoninnyc,

This is a barbaric practice. If you have a son, don't submit him to this torture! When are we going to leave the stone age?

Multiverse

[phoenixchilde]

I don't know much about the health ideas for or against circumcision. I've heard that they're 50% less likely to get HIV, but that's about the extent of it. What I do know, is chicks dig it. Most of the girls I know think that foreskin is UGLY.

[friendsinthesky]

I wouldn't circumctise unless for medical reasons. I mean if men weren't supposed to have foreskin then they would be born without it. And women should definately not be circumctised;)

Same could be said about the appendix (bloody useless isn't it?) yet people have that removed. (each to their own, it's no big deal).

[oneofmany]

Some boys have problems with the foreskin when they're older, and its more painful to have the operation done then (so I'm told). It's a tough decision to make. If all his peers have been 'done' and he's the odd one out you will feel guilty, if you have it done as soon as he's born you'll feel guilty. Most Brits don't have it done, but the ones I've met who have been circumsized have all been happy with it as they think it looks nicer and they don't have to worry about cheese (sorry!)
This only happens if the child is not taught personal hygiene. Don't be so cruel to a child, there's no need for it AT ALL

[oneofmany]

I don't know much about the health ideas for or against circumcision. I've heard that they're 50% less likely to get HIV, but that's about the extent of it. What I do know, is chicks dig it. Most of the girls I know think that foreskin is UGLY.What a load of codswallop,

[oneofmany]

i know this is extremely personal, but why do you feel this way? my husband has no problems at all with his circumcized penis, and i have been with him so so long that i am not very experienced sexually, havent really been around i guess. also kha zar thanks for your response. i will look into the links and do more research. i dont quite understand why you would go to the extreme of trying to get your foreskin back, but i am a woman and i guess i just dont understand these things very well. is it because you have a reduced sensation? and how would you know this if you were like this all of your life?

any women out there who have had both circumcized and uncircumcized? what feels better from a woman's perspective?It's just common sense that the head of the penis that doesn't get daily exposure would be more sensitive than the circumcised penis. Also my father is 67 and is still pulling stitches out from his operation. This practice is barbaric in this day and age to say the least

[kha zarr]

...um - about the appendix:

http://www.geocities.com/gcalla1/appendix.htm

woops howd that get in there!? we have so much still to learn, I feel, on just the physical body itself.

[friendsinthesky]

Thank you kha zarr and "anyone in particular" ,should take note!:)^

[anoninnyc]

wow, this thread has really sparked interest. i have been talking about this topic to my real life friends and noticed that my friends who are from europe or lived there briefly are against circumcison while my american friends think i am nuts to even consider not doing it. i wonder why circumcision is practiced in the usa and not europe so much.

fyi- not gonna circumcize if i have a son. still uncertain if this is the correct decision but figure it is easier for my son to get circumcized later than to try to restore foreskin.

[tinmenace]

wow, this thread has really sparked interest. i have been talking about this topic to my real life friends and noticed that my friends who are from europe or lived there briefly are against circumcison while my american friends think i am nuts to even consider not doing it. i wonder why circumcision is practiced in the usa and not europe so much.

fyi- not gonna circumcize if i have a son. still uncertain if this is the correct decision but figure it is easier for my son to get circumcized later than to try to restore foreskin.

You should try asking your American friends why they feel this way. And then ask them to back their statements up with proof. ;)

It is easier for my son to get circumcized later than to try to restore foreskin.

Right!

[indigo]

Same could be said about the appendix (bloody useless isn't it?) yet people have that removed. (each to their own, it's no big deal).
But they don't just decide to do it for religious reasons, and besides it's only removed if it causes problems. If it aint broke don't fix it. thats what i say.:D
And anyway it shouldn't be done when a child has no say in the matter. Religious or not. If they want it done for religious reason when they're older then so be it.

[lookfar]

Hi there

Only just came across this thread.

OMG I didn't realise this barbaric mutilation was still going on in the US!! I thought it was just the jews who did this!?

Why fix what isn't broken? Everything was put there for a reason & I feel no-one has the right to do this to their children (unless for medical reasons of course). No offence anon, but are Americans so indoctrinated that they can't see through this? :eek:

[phoenixchilde]

What a load of codswallop,

Yeah, you know, I completely made that up. It's just an odious lie.

PS, that's sarcasm.

[tinmenace]

Hi there

Only just came across this thread.

OMG I didn't realise this barbaric mutilation was still going on in the US!! I thought it was just the jews who did this!?

Why fix what isn't broken? Everything was put there for a reason & I feel no-one has the right to do this to their children (unless for medical reasons of course). No offence anon, but are Americans so indoctrinated that they can't see through this? :eek:

They're just too programmed for the most part. I love the majority of Americans, really. They're not always the smartest or the sharpest, but they're nice people, and this is why I'm so angry that they're being lied to and abused by the government.

Their indoctrination runs terribly deep. It really really breaks my heart.

[lookfar]

They're just too programmed for the most part. I love the majority of Americans, really. They're not always the smartest or the sharpest, but they're nice people, and this is why I'm so angry that they're being lied to and abused by the government.

Their indoctrination runs terribly deep. It really really breaks my heart.

I just didn't realise it was so popular over there, I really thought it was just a jewish thing, I'm obviously wrong in assuming that. Hope they can break out of the habit soon though, it's barbaric!!

[tinmenace]

I really thought it was just a jewish thing, I'm obviously wrong in assuming that.

And of course America is quite Israeli oriented. :confused:

It's crazy, I know, but they're just such robots....it's makes me so mad!

Met a couple last night, engineers, high intelligent but completely stupid when it comes to Israel and the American government's contribution to them.

[oneofmany]

Yeah, you know, I completely made that up. It's just an odious lie.

PS, that's sarcasm. I apologise

PS: that's recognising when your wrong :)

[lookfar]

And of course America is quite Israeli oriented. :confused:

It's crazy, I know, but they're just such robots....it's makes me so mad!

Met a couple last night, engineers, high intelligent but completely stupid when it comes to Israel and the American government's contribution to them.

I suppose if they've been led to believe it's the right thing to do for so long, it just becomes the norm. Glad it's not got that bad with it over here, I could never have that done to my son :eek:

A friend of mine is part Iranian, part Russian & she had her two sons circumsized recently. It shocked me at the time, but there was no swaying her, she just thought it was the right thing to do :(

[tinmenace]

Exactly! They have no idea why or what, but they're just programmed to do it.

[eternal_spirit]

It's a deeply sick and disturbing thing to do to anyone, unless for some reason the person having it done needs to because of some bizzare medical reason ( as a last resort )

The penis is perfect by nature in it's natural state!

I've grown attached to my foreskin and it's grown atached to me!

NO to circumsision!

[eternal_spirit]

It's unheard of where I live except in rare medical cases. I'll tell you a story....over ten years ago I had repeated cases of thrush which was passed between me and my girl. The doctors wanted to circumcise me ffs!

I said No way! Anway heres a tip to keep you're tip in tip top condition lads:D

Wash with salt water roll the foreskin back and forward ( don't get to carried away incase you cum lol) Seriously it works for me I've not had any problems for many years now.

[auron]

Iv'e always considered circumcision as butcherey! Especially what they do to little girls, i'ts outrageous. I'm tired of hearing the reasons why they do it for "because it is cleaner" total bollocks! Fine, if it is needed because of medical reasons i.e it is too tight, or you can't piss in a sraight line, then by all means go
for it! But only if that is their decision and it is not being forced upon them!

I was thinking a few years ago that the reason they do it is to inhibit sexual pleasure, but thats only my opinion.

Auron

[phoenix1]

I damn well near circumcized myself ....many moons ago, it was all to do with a backdoor.

Shut up Phoenix..hehe,,don't even go there. Save the fact that I've sussed back doors down to a fine art now,ZIP IT PHOENIX!!!....

LALALALALALHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

ahemennnn. Yeaaahhhhhh.

[eternal_spirit]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5545345316325645777&q=Jewish+circumcision&total=58&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Canadian Doctors and others speak out

[2013]

i watched a tv documentary some years back claiming a certain african tribe who where circumcised didnt have any cases of hiv and that some of them married women with the disease !Prince charles was apparently circumcised by the chief rabbi of the most spiritual sect in london as is the practise of all male heirs to the throne , cant recal the book i read that in maybe someone on here knows wich it was .also it stated that the egyptians where the first to do it before the hebrews . My own theory is they had to get elastic bands to tie their hair back from somewere.:D

[megafish33]

It's a started as a religious ritual... that should tell you something about it. After many got it done, people started to become used to it, but it's certainly not required for life. Some kids lost more than foreskin! :(:eek:

[megafish33]

My own theory is they had to get elastic bands to tie their hair back from somewere.:D

LOL!

[megafish33]

Wash with salt water roll the foreskin back and forward ( don't get to carried away incase you cum lol) Seriously it works for me I've not had any problems for many years now.

Ouch dude! Can't you just use soap? lol

(omg I just made three posts in a circumcision thread...)

[hagbard_celine]

What do I think of circumcision?

Well, it's no skin off my nose!:D