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krixo
29-03-2008, 10:14 AM
I also looked up Aspartame and what it does and so. I would like ppl to read it, you can find a link here http://www.caloriecontrol.org/aspartame.html


"first low-calorie sweetener approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in more than 25 years."



Ive seen now almost all of the David Ickes movies and such. And also other clips about earth and its life and so. This is my opinion and it seems like hes so right about it. How the water went up in the sky miles up and kinda wiped out the dinosaurs and its strong evidence of it that i saw on discovery channel. Also if you check out what incredible things "Nikola Tesla" invented with you can see that the government made it clear to make it secret for the public.

kweli
29-03-2008, 12:40 PM
I also looked up Aspartame and what it does and so. I would like ppl to read it, you can find a link here http://www.caloriecontrol.org/aspartame.html


"first low-calorie sweetener approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in more than 25 years."



Ive seen now almost all of the David Ickes movies and such. And also other clips about earth and its life and so. This is my opinion and it seems like hes so right about it. How the water went up in the sky miles up and kinda wiped out the dinosaurs and its strong evidence of it that i saw on discovery channel. Also if you check out what incredible things "Nikola Tesla" invented with you can see that the government made it clear to make it secret for the public.

Hello and welcome to the forum Krixo :)

You'll find plenty of information on Aspartame in the Medical/Health/Healing section of this board, or check out the numerous articles in Archives here: http://www.davidicke.com/content/category/6/24/83/

Here's a few links:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22066&highlight=aspartame

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18882&highlight=aspartame

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14950&highlight=aspartame

loderlive
29-03-2008, 02:01 PM
It's completely unecessary.

Used heavily in the sports supplement industry.

If you want flavour just eat fruit.

dangermouse
29-03-2008, 02:30 PM
It's completely unecessary.

Used heavily in the sports supplement industry.

If you want flavour just eat fruit.

mmmm ... fruit ...

jimmi
29-03-2008, 02:51 PM
go to google video ..Sweet Misery ...all u need to know and easy to watch

chattanova
08-04-2008, 11:22 PM
It's also about 200 times sweeter than sugar, just that should be an indication to 'not quiet right':rolleyes:

Aspartame and the Brain

As Americans, we assume and insist that our food be safe. We'll take spinach off the market the minute there's even a hint of e Coli. We're paranoid about mad cow disease. But when it comes to our beloved sugar? We'll go around and around and around about the safety of aspartame until we're blue in the face. We just don't want to admit that maybe we should not be insisting and expecting that we get to be healthy and have our sweeteners (and fake sweeteners) too.

Twelve years ago I wrote the American Dietetic Association's first book ever on eating disorders. Back then, I found a peer-reviewed reference on aspartame, suggesting that it had a particular ability to have a negative effect on individuals with a history of depression. In the years since, I've shared that reference with clients, challenged them to clear their systems of aspartame for 6 weeks, then go back and try a little bit of it to see how they feel. I've yet to have a single person come back to report they'd gotten back on it once they'd cleared their systems.

The problem is, aspartame was not intended to be consumed in large quantities by a population of people who insisted on being in denial about what it means to have insatiable cravings for a refined compound with no nutritional value. And while it started out in soft drinks, it eventually showed up in yogurts, and protein powders, and anything food manufacturers could think of to make a buck off of our addiction. As aspartame gradually crept into the food supply, and accumulated in larger and larger amounts in our bodies...we lost the ability to even remember how we felt when we were completely off the stuff. Which is why I love the power of my "washout experiment".

Now, it seems, there is more information suggesting that aspartame may not be so great for the brain. This new study is not even cited yet in Pub Med as I write this. I don't normally do this in this blog, but I am pasting the entire release for anyone who would like to evaluate the information for themselves.

A few years ago there was an aspartame e-mail circulating the Internet that quickly became regarded as urban legend. It illustrated the importance of doing your homework before speaking out about anything. The person who circulated this piece used a fake name, and did not take the time to gather data and citations. So most scientists dismissed the warning. I'd already seen the aspartame/depression study at this time. I was perturbed at the well-intended person who was more engaged in stirring up controversy than in helping people, because, having read that there may be some REAL dangers with aspartame, I knew that when those were eventually elucidated, it was going to be even harder to convince hard scientists that these dangers existed because they'd immediately think of the earlier "aspartame urban legend" and associate any other warnings with this irresponsible piece of Internet writing.

Which is why I'm giving you my source. Whether or not you use artifical sweeteners is your choice. But remember, as you've seen before in this blog, in medicine and science, there is no such thing as a perfect choice. Every food, every supplement, every treatment, you choose to try, has its benefits as well as its risks. Perhaps the best way for you to decide for yourself, is to try my washout challenge. What matters is not what a panel of experts says about aspartame in general, but how aspartame makes you feel. Only you know this, and the only person who gets to decide whether or not you should use it...should be you.

Below the review is the reference for the old study I mention as well.

Review raises questions over aspartame and brain health
By staff reporter
http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/ng.asp?n=84424-aspartame-sweetener

03-Apr-2008 - Excessive intake of aspartame may inhibit the ability of
enzymes in the brain to function normally, suggests a new review that
could fan the flames of controversy over the sweetener.

The review, by scientists from the University of Pretoria and the University of Limpopo and published recently in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, indicated that high consumption of the sweetener may lead to neurodegeneration.

Aspartame is made up of phenylalanine (50 per cent), aspartic acid (40 per cent) and methanol (10 per cent). It is commonly used in food products for the diet or low calorie market, including soft drinks and chewing gums. It was approved for use in foods in the US and EU member states in the early 1980s.

The sweetener has caused much controversy amid suspicions on whether it is entirely safe, with studies linking the ingredient and cancer in rats.

It has also previously been found that aspartame consumption can cause neurological and behavioural disturbances in sensitive individuals. Symptoms that have been reported include headaches, insomnia and seizures.

Despite strong concerns being raised from some quarters over the sweetener, both the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) and the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have not changed their guidelines regarding the safety of the ingredient or intake advice.

The new review also challenges finding published last year in the journal Critical Reviews in Toxicology (Informa Healthcase) that considered over 500 studies, articles and reports conducted over the last 25 years - including work that was not published, but that was submitted to government bodies as part of the regulatory approvals process.

The earlier review concluded: "The weight of existing evidence is that aspartame is safe at current levels of consumption… No credible evidence was found that aspartame is carcinogenic, neurotoxic, or has any other adverse effect on health when consumed even at quantities many times the established ADI [acceptable daily intake] levels."

New review

Writing in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, a Nature journal, the scientists behind the new review state: "The aim of this study was to discuss the direct and indirect cellular effects of aspartame on the brain, and we propose that excessive aspartame ingestion might be involved in the pathogenesis of certain mental disorders, and also in compromised learning and emotional functioning."

The researchers found a number of direct and indirect changes that occur in the brain as a result of high consumption levels of aspartame, leading to neurodegeneration.

They found aspartame can disturb the metabolism of amino acids, protein structure and metabolism, the integrity of nucleic acids, neuronal function and endocrine balances. It also may change the brain concentrations of catecholamines, which include norepinephrine, epinephrine and dopamine.

Additionally, they said the breakdown of aspartame causes nerves to fire excessively, which can indirectly lead to a high rate of neuron depolarisation.

The researchers added: "The energy systems for certain required enzyme reactions become compromised, thus indirectly leading to the inability of enzymes to function optimally.

"The ATP stores [adenosine triphosphate] in the cells are depleted, indicating that low concentrations of glucose are present in the cells, and this in turn will indirectly decrease the synthesis of acetylcholine, glutamate and GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid)."

Furthermore, the functioning of glutamate as an excitatory neurotransmitter is inhibited as a result of the intracellular calcium uptake being altered, and mitochondria are damaged, which the researchers said could lead to apoptosis (cell death) of cells and also a decreased rate of oxidative metabolism.

As a result of their study, the researchers said more testing is required to further determine the health effects on aspartame and bring an end to the controversy.

Source: European Journal of Clinical Nutrition
2008, doi: 10.1038/sj.ejcn.1602866
"Direct and indirect cellular effects of aspartame on the brain"
Authors: P. Humphries, E. Pretorius, H. Naude

http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/ng.asp?n=84424-aspartame-sweetener

Biol Psychiatry. 1993 Jul 1-15;34(1-2):13-7. Links
Adverse reactions to aspartame: double-blind challenge in patients from a vulnerable population.Walton RG, Hudak R, Green-Waite RJ.
Department of Psychiatry, Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, Youngstown.

This study was designed to ascertain whether individuals with mood disorders are particularly vulnerable to adverse effects of aspartame. Although the protocol required the recruitment of 40 patients with unipolar depression and a similar number of individuals without a psychiatric history, the project was halted by the Institutional Review Board after a total of 13 individuals had completed the study because of the severity of reactions within the group of patients with a history of depression. In a crossover design, subjects received aspartame 30 mg/kg/day or placebo for 7 days. Despite the small n, there was a significant difference between aspartame and placebo in number and severity of symptoms for patients with a history of depression, whereas for individuals without such a history there was not. We conclude that individuals with mood disorders are particularly sensitive to this artificial sweetener and its use in this population should be discouraged.

http://thisisyourbrainonpsychdrugs.blogspot.com/2008/04/aspartame-and-brain.html

lookfar
08-04-2008, 11:42 PM
It's also about 200 times sweeter than sugar, just that should be an indication to 'not quiet right':rolleyes:

Hi chatt:)

Yeah & so is stevia, which is a natural herb (with health benefits), but that's illegal in the EU & other parts of the world, what a surprise eh!:rolleyes:

chattanova
09-04-2008, 03:26 PM
Hi chatt:)

Yeah & so is stevia, which is a natural herb (with health benefits), but that's illegal in the EU & other parts of the world, what a surprise eh!:rolleyes:

lookfar:)

aah..that's new to me, but far from a surprise I'm afraid.
Instead we find this shit in almost all 'sugar free' products:mad:

fenriswulf
09-04-2008, 09:43 PM
Hi chatt:)

Yeah & so is stevia, which is a natural herb (with health benefits), but that's illegal in the EU & other parts of the world, what a surprise eh!:rolleyes:

For what reason is it illegal?

kitchenmatt
09-04-2008, 09:58 PM
For what reason is it illegal?


Here is a link to the UK food standards agency

http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia


I cant believe its illegal here:mad: It's a health food in America isn't it?

dondaz
09-04-2008, 10:05 PM
Welcome to the forum mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelCN8J84_I

fenriswulf
09-04-2008, 10:09 PM
This is crazy!! So much regulation on Stevia and none on Aspartame! There is evidence of the harm of Aspartame and this vague info on Stevia.

[QUOTE][/Safety EvaluationsSweeteners and other food additives are tightly regulated within the European Union (EU) and may only be used once their safety has been rigorously assessed.

The EC Scientific Committee on Food (SCF) is an independent committee that advises the European Commission on questions concerning consumer health and food safety, in particular relating to toxicology and food hygiene.

The SCF identified safety problems with stevioside and recently rejected applications to market the plant and its products as sweeteners and as novel foods within the European Union.

Stevioside was first considered by the SCF for approval for use as a sweetener within the EU in 1985 and the review was updated in 1989.

On both occasions the Committee raised several questions of concern and concluded that, based on the submitted documentation, it could not accept its use. Extracts from Stevia rebaudiana leaves were also considered as toxicologically not acceptable.

A further application for approval of stevioside was received by the European Commission in 1998 and again referred to the SCF.

The data considered by the Committee indicated that the extract has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA).

The Committee concluded that stevioside was not acceptable as a sweetener.

In 1998 a request was made for Stevia (the plants and dried leaves of Stevia rebaudiana Bertoni) to be marketed as a novel food under the EU novel foods legislation (Regulation 258/97(EC)).

The application was initially evaluated by the Belgian Authorities who recommended that the product should not be approved.

The product was then considered in the UK by the Advisory Committee on Novel Foods and Processes (ACNFP) as part of the approval process for novel foods.

The ACNFP agreed with the opinion of the Belgian Authorities and recommended that the product should not be approved due to lack of information supporting its safety, a view that was shared by a number of other Member States. The application was subsequently referred to the SCF.

The SCF concluded in June 1999 that the information submitted on the plant products was insufficient with regard to specification and standardisation of the commercial product and contained no safety studies.

There was no satisfactory data to support the safe use of these products as ingredients in food or as sucrose substitutes.

In December 1999 the Joint MAFF/DH Food Safety and Standards Group wrote to various companies known to be trading in Stevia products, informing them of the SCF's opinion and stating that Stevia should not be offered for sale as a food or food ingredient in the UK.

QUOTE]

i_am
09-04-2008, 10:11 PM
Stevia is legal in Australia :)

I rarely use sweetener at all but put a couple of drops of stevia in a smoothie if it needs a little sweetening.

It is kind of a grey area in US. I don't think it is available in Health Food Stores. Maybe someone from US can clarify ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stevia/AN01733

lookfar
10-04-2008, 03:22 AM
For what reason is it illegal?

Hmmm, can't really work out their justification in all that blurb & they probably don't even need one (apart from the obvious - stevia is good for you & has health benefits, aspartame is the opposite & dumbs you down:rolleyes:) Totally crazy imo!

boots
10-04-2008, 03:38 AM
I also looked up Aspartame and what it does and so. I would like ppl to read it, you can find a link here http://www.caloriecontrol.org/aspartame.html


"first low-calorie sweetener approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in more than 25 years."



Ive seen now almost all of the David Ickes movies and such. And also other clips about earth and its life and so. This is my opinion and it seems like hes so right about it. How the water went up in the sky miles up and kinda wiped out the dinosaurs and its strong evidence of it that i saw on discovery channel. Also if you check out what incredible things "Nikola Tesla" invented with you can see that the government made it clear to make it secret for the public.

Welcome:)
Donald Rumsfeld is owner of the company that produces Aspartame thats just got make you think:mad:
Micheal J Fox consumes shit loads of diet Pepsi, the poor guy, if he only new that Aspartame increase the severity of his disease.

crazyman
10-04-2008, 08:07 AM
Try to find a pack of gum that doesn't have Aspartame
And guess what, they are always in the impulse buy sections of the stores.
So far I've only found Big Red doesn't have it

grannymoose
10-04-2008, 07:10 PM
i just found this dam drug in another product, robinsons squash,
is there nothing we can do about them doing this, any one phoned them and complained?

grannymoose
10-04-2008, 07:12 PM
what if we make some kind of letter compliaing and we all send one each and spam them?

krakhead
10-04-2008, 07:54 PM
Stevia looks to be available in the UK from several stores e.g here (http://www.thesuperfoodco.co.uk/stevia-powder-250g-natural-sweetener-p-290.html?currency=GBP), so there may be a loop hole through which it can be legally sold?

adzboarder
10-04-2008, 08:00 PM
i just found this dam drug in another product, robinsons squash,
is there nothing we can do about them doing this, any one phoned them and complained?


I was suprised about that too, they say "nothing, but nothing, but fruit". More like nothing, but nothing but POISON.

Look out for the supermarkets own-brand "high-juice", Asda do a good one that's aspartame free but its more expensive, but I guess it depends whether you want to drink poison or not.

I read that the base ingredientin aspartame is wood ethanol. 2 teaspoons of that will KILL YOU.

grannymoose
10-04-2008, 08:09 PM
I read that the base ingredientin aspartame is wood ethanol. 2 teaspoons of that will KILL YOU.

omg thats bad havent read that

fenriswulf
10-04-2008, 10:19 PM
Heres a case from last year, of course nothing has happened since. Sugary drinks have been banned from many NZ schools now but of course the 'healthy alternative' sugar free drinks remain.

Sweetener can make some sick say officials
By RUTH HILL - The Dominion Post | Thursday, 22 November 2007

The artificial sweetener aspartame could cause allergic reactions in some people, Food Safety Authority officials have admitted to MPs.


Wellingtonian Abby Cormack, who blames the serious health problems she suffered on her habit of eating four packs a day of sugar-free chewing gum, asked Parliament's health select committee yesterday to recommend banning aspartame.

"I don't believe this should be in the food chains," she told MPs.

The previously fit and healthy 25-year-old said she suffered debilitating physical and psychological symptoms for more than four months this year.

She was tested for diabetes, lupus, multiple sclerosis, electrolyte imbalances and mineral deficiencies before chancing on the link with aspartame on the Internet.

"Within 48 hours of removing aspartame from my diet, my excruciating limb discomfort starting subsiding," she told the committee.

"One change to my lifestyle, and within the following two weeks, every single one of both my physical and psychological symptoms disappeared."

There needed to be more education for doctors on the subject to avoid more misdiagnoses.

"Many people don't know what they are suffering from."

Ten other people gave written testimony to the committee about the effects of aspartame on their health.

Woodrow Monte, formerly director of the nutrition laboratory at Arizona State University, told MPs aspartame was "a proven grade one carcinogen" and there was no safe level of it.

It broke down into methanol, which was metabolised by the body into formaldehyde, he said.

"Why are we allowing multinational companies to give this poison to our children?"

The Food Safety Authority's principal adviser on toxicology, John Reeve, agreed it was not possible to rule out aspartame as the cause of Ms Cormack's symptoms.

"Some people could be more sen-sitive than we would otherwise expect."

It was equally possible, however, that she reacted to other substances she had removed from her diet, such as caffeine, which had a proven effect on the nervous system.

While aspartame was metabolised into methanol, formaldehyde and formic acid, it also occurred naturally in many other foods, including fruit and vegetables, he said.

Consumption many times higher than the authority's standard daily maximum of 40 milligrams of aspartame per kilogram of body weight was likely to be well within safety limits.

Health Ministry spokesman Chris Laurenson said international research showed aspartame was a safe and useful product for those wanting to cut down on sugar.

While the ministry was "not unmoved" by Ms Cormack's description of her ordeal, it could not rely on anecdotal evidence.

There was no scientific evidence to back the claim that aspartame was a carcinogen or neurotoxin.

adzboarder
10-04-2008, 10:38 PM
Heres a case from last year, of course nothing has happened since. Sugary drinks have been banned from many NZ schools now but of course the 'healthy alternative' sugar free drinks remain.

Yes indeed, that old gag, I bet they are pissing themselves!

Here's a straight up read which makes it nice and clear, easy to understand:-

http://oyfe.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/aspartame-poison-get-it-yet/

madthumbs
11-04-2008, 06:37 AM
It's also about 200 times sweeter than sugar, just that should be an indication to 'not quiet right':rolleyes:

Stevia (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3417) is much sweeter than sugar, but has no known side effects. It's also very easy to grow.

madthumbs
11-04-2008, 06:42 AM
Hi chatt:)

Yeah & so is stevia, which is a natural herb (with health benefits), but that's illegal in the EU & other parts of the world, what a surprise eh!:rolleyes:

In the US, it cannot be compared to sugar, or sold as a sweetener on store shelves. When you say illegal, what do you mean by "illegal"? Is it like marijuana illegal?

madthumbs
11-04-2008, 06:43 AM
Here is a link to the UK food standards agency

http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia


I cant believe its illegal here:mad: It's a health food in America isn't it?

It was used in South America for diabetics. People in the US aren't really very aware of it at all, and Japan has a patented version of it in their Diet Coke.

madthumbs
11-04-2008, 06:46 AM
Try to find a pack of gum that doesn't have Aspartame
And guess what, they are always in the impulse buy sections of the stores.
So far I've only found Big Red doesn't have it

Dentyne gum advertised that it was good for your teeth. Why? - It contained Xylitol which is good for your teeth and bones. Xylitol is another alternative sweetener, however too much of this at once can cause stomach discomfort. It's best used for toothpastes, gums, and maybe a small lightly sweetened drink like hot cocoa.

madthumbs
11-04-2008, 06:50 AM
Stevia looks to be available in the UK from several stores e.g here (http://www.thesuperfoodco.co.uk/stevia-powder-250g-natural-sweetener-p-290.html?currency=GBP), so there may be a loop hole through which it can be legally sold?

Raw apricot kernals are supposedly illegal to sell in the US, but I've found a store that sells them.

I read that the base ingredientin aspartame is wood ethanol. 2 teaspoons of that will KILL YOU.

Too much water can kill you. Aspartame sold as a product is very diluted because it's so sweet. Don't mistake this for me saying it's safe. I'm just saying that that argument is moot.