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betty_swallocks
23-11-2012, 02:50 AM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.

mindgames7
23-11-2012, 03:05 AM
I don't know.

relentless
23-11-2012, 03:15 AM
I don't know.

Now there's an honest answer...:D

omegatau
23-11-2012, 03:43 AM
I believe nothing significant will happen. People will of course try to lure others into some irrational acts; people will eventually attempt suicide(yeah, there are people who won't be able to take the pressure of anticipation); some will gamble out all their fortune. Generally seen, the lives of some ordinary people might change due to this, what I believe is a misinformation to keep people busy with these unimportant matters, making them believe they're 'intellectual' just because they discuss it or talk about it.

squishy ball
23-11-2012, 03:55 AM
Who cares if it does?

Not like we are gonna know about it, maybe it would be good anyway, wipe the earth clean so it can have a fresh start.

shamanik
23-11-2012, 03:59 AM
i think a lot of people will wake up on the 22nd with a serious hangover!:D

ozpixie
23-11-2012, 04:09 AM
i think a lot of people will wake up on the 22nd with a serious hangover!:D

Debts, broken hearts and a lot of regret to boot.

hypophos
23-11-2012, 04:28 AM
I like the message in one of Jimi Hendrix's songs the valleys of neptune.
listen to the lyrics.
I believe Jimi was an enlightened soul and knew the truth.
Jimi Hendrix-Valleys of Neptune (with Lyrics) - YouTube

brucel
23-11-2012, 04:35 AM
its the date when the wreck known as the fiscal cliff will crash


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2012/1112/craig_daniel_g_mp_640.jpg

cafe beelzebub
23-11-2012, 04:53 AM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.

You sure do like to label people. Out of interest, how do you label yourself?

machine
23-11-2012, 05:47 AM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so..

I've lost a lot of interest in posting in this forum in the last few months although I continue to browse quickly. I've noticed weeks old posts are still sitting on the front page which suggests to me there's nothing new to say and that many people have moved on. Here's why imho:

1. Doomsday dates have come and gone and December will pass like all the rest: people realise its all a load of shite and are getting on with their lives

2. This place can be depressing.

3. This place lacks humour

stagger
23-11-2012, 06:03 AM
1. Doomsday dates have come and gone and December will pass like all the rest: people realise its all a load of shite and are getting on with their lives

2. This place can be depressing.

3. This place lacks humour

1. I don't put any stock in the Mayan theories, but the Middle East is looking more and more like a prelude to something big; historically, and recently with the prolonged Arab Spring, and now with Israel sticking its boot in. I think something big will happen, but it will most likely be a manufactured war rather than some psuedo-prophetic hokus pokus.

2. The world is depressing for those who see it clearly.

3. Agreed. But I'll read the tabloids if I want a laugh.

pr0f173r
23-11-2012, 06:03 AM
best answer i can come up with is : supposedly the FEDs contract ends with the USGovernment. but as i observe the "mayan calander" its in a circle which means its a cycle , sort of like the polar shift, which happen over many of mellina, though there is no proof that on the 21 of december 2012 that anything significant will hapen, the paranoia lately shown by the MSM will result in any major shift in the worlds perspective will only result in small groups of paranoid people acting out due to not being able to accept that everything will remain basically the same.

grey area
23-11-2012, 07:55 AM
Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please.

But the lizard people from the moon ARE going to aspartame us to death.

They've been at it for ages!

To be fair tho, I'm not sure it has anything to do with 21/12/12.

extra_solar
23-11-2012, 08:02 AM
I see that there is a correlation between the Mayan calendar and the technological singularity

I believe this all points to an optimistic singularity

wazaaap
23-11-2012, 11:03 AM
The end of the worlds happening as we speak!

The number of earthquakes over 6.0 has got out of controll. The planet is ready to die soon.

http://research.dlindquist.com/quake/historical/?mag=7&type=num&freq=year&style=nonlinear

blaze9
23-11-2012, 11:24 AM
Fakish date, the huge events people are expecting will happen before that Im sure

Ian2day
23-11-2012, 01:16 PM
I saw on a tv show the other day. That they were using the date of, the 12th of December. For the end of the Mayan long count calender.

godspeed
23-11-2012, 02:31 PM
An alignment of our sun with center of the universe

maybe a shock wave wipe out the negative war like peeps

in my dreams.......:D

dolores1
23-11-2012, 02:58 PM
Hmm.

GOD-CODE MATRIX of 188 Pt4 - Quake Ley-Lines Reveal Earth's STAR-MERKABA Ascension 12/2012 to 3/2013 - YouTube


D.

chockimon
23-11-2012, 04:09 PM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.

There's an article in the paper today that is poetic. Apparently the Pope has come out and said that the Christian calendar is wrong by several years, so it's really 2019 now. ROFL. This is not going to please the Christian/Mayan doom merchants. Upon reading this article, they are probably already throwing themselves over the nearest cliffs like lemmings. I live in hope.

Christian calendar is wrong, says Pope: Blundering sixth-century monk was several years out in calculation of Jesus's birth date.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236611/Christian-calendar-wrong-says-Pope-Blundering-sixth-century-monk-years-out.html

momdooley
23-11-2012, 04:48 PM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.

Well. At a guess, I'd say 'they' will have a big party using the procedes of their thievery and a big laugh because whilst we've been watching for the end of the world, they've stolen all our pensions and tax revenues. Then, when 'they' are so rat arsed they can barely speak, they'll have another right good laugh inventing another story to keep us distracted from 'their' next malificently cunning plot.

da renn
23-11-2012, 06:06 PM
I've lost a lot of interest in posting in this forum in the last few months although I continue to browse quickly. I've noticed weeks old posts are still sitting on the front page which suggests to me there's nothing new to say and that many people have moved on. Here's why imho:

1. Doomsday dates have come and gone and December will pass like all the rest: people realise its all a load of shite and are getting on with their lives

2. This place can be depressing.

3. This place lacks humour

Well, you're certainly lackin humour right there!

Speak for yourself mate, not for everyone else, thanks. I don't find it depressing here, i find it amusing and very interesting, most of the time anyway; but then i find people interesting and amusing in general.

David Icke gave up prophesying doomsday scenarios back in the nineties- he woke up fairly quickly after his initial heady deleriums. He's nothing to do with all the 2012 jitters. Those who Truly Resonate with David's Vision don't "move on," there's nothing to move on to- you just go backwards to where you were before...default programming! Some of us are Aware enough- and strong enough- to resist this. He's a conduit (like it or not) for important, esoteric information pertaining to all mankind. If you don't get his SPIRIT you don't get him; and there's nothing beyond Spirit! There are those who "move on" simply by sticking their heads further up their ass.

The only thing shite about 2012 is the cynicism and pessimism surrounding it, those attitudes merely helping secure olde worlde paradigms....Anyway, i don't think anything dramatic's gonna happen on 21st Dec but i wouldn't be surprised if something did, i'm open to All Possibility! The Mayans saw this 5000 yr cycle beginning and ending very clearly and relatively precise- give or take a few years. I view 2012 as a threshold of Rising Cosmic Energy and subsequent Spiritual Awakening; this process has been "quickening" for 25 years- since Harmonic Convergence back in '87. It's amazing how many have switched on since then, i've met some remarkable, inspiring people over the years and had some profound experiences. We are Spiritual Beings in Essence: Hundreds of thousands gathered at Sacred Sites all over the world on 21st Dec will definitely affect the psychic field of this planet at such an auspicious time/space juncture. Significant things WILL and are happening- just not all at once. This is a gradual Awakening for the Good of ALL.

Be a part of the solution not the problem. Enlighten UP and get your asses to the nearest Sacred or ancient site come 21st Dec! :cool:

momdooley
24-11-2012, 06:21 AM
Love your quote da renn. I'd steal it for myself but I don't know how you put one on. :)

brainstorm
24-11-2012, 06:55 AM
No one knows what will happen, if anything at all. Who knows if its the beginning of something, or the end of something.

My feeling is 2012 has to do with time and cycles. Our whole world revolves around time and seasons. As an example, we can calculate exactly when the sun will come up and when it will go down before it happens. Maybe December 21, 2012 has to do with how the ancients measured time and cycles. Maybe after December 21 their old methods/our current methods of calculating time and cycles won't work anymore hence an "end" date of December 21, 2012.

302bluefog
24-11-2012, 01:57 PM
No one knows what will happen, if anything at all. Who knows if its the beginning of something, or the end of something.

My feeling is 2012 has to do with time and cycles. Our whole world revolves around time and seasons. As an example, we can calculate exactly when the sun will come up and when it will go down before it happens. Maybe December 21, 2012 has to do with how the ancients measured time and cycles. Maybe after December 21 their old methods/our current methods of calculating time and cycles won't work anymore hence an "end" date of December 21, 2012.

Yea maybe...

deinonychus
24-11-2012, 02:21 PM
The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.It's a commercial milking machine.;)

I'm sure we'll get a new catchy date after 21-12-2012, and all the new age channelers and seers will be making more gold mines.

21_12_2012
24-11-2012, 03:56 PM
Mayan explanation of what will happen on 21st December 2012 - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=5wMQz7vziMA#

riseaquarius
24-11-2012, 05:04 PM
I believe December 21st, 2012 has more ritual significance than anything else, to the Satanists behind the conspiracy of course, similar to 9/11.

More than likely, whatever they pull will cause more mayhem than any geological changes that take place.

caleb_11
24-11-2012, 11:22 PM
Our calendars aren't even right. We've already passed 2012, right? There are going to be so many people feeling really stupid on the 22nd. It's even worse than that thing with Harold Camping... in which case, how are those people going?

kamagawa
25-11-2012, 02:23 AM
lol, the mayan calendar doesn't actually end this year.
The Chalam Balam (not sure on spelling) says that the period continues for about 3 months worth after what we call 21 Dec 2012.
ie) it actually ends in march/april.

somethinganonymous
25-11-2012, 02:42 AM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.

Hi Betty,

Just thought, since you mentioned me in your OP and asked for my opinion, that I'd share it with you...

On the 21st of December 2012 the fourth world will have ended. Our fourth world is 26 000 (or 24 000) years olds and has been marked with excess violence, strife, war, suppression, oppression and ignorance. The predominantly masculine energies (that the Luciferians worhip) of this Earth will be gone and a predominantly feminine energy will take over. The Fifth World (which comes about as our Sun's twin planet, Sirius, which has it's own orbital relationship with our Sun, comes close enough on its 26 000 year orbit, to alter the energies of our own planet.) will see the unification of mankind under a benevolent rule. It will see the end of war and it will see harmony restored to planet Earth. It is also the end of time, as human consciousness is expected (according to Maya religion) to transcend the perception of linear time during this 'level' or 'cycle' of human consciousness growth and evolution. 'The Golden Age' of the Fifth World is a period of 6000 years in the middle of the greater cycle which is the 26 000 years time of The Fifth World. Our last 'Golden Age' ended some 10 000 years ago and was centered around Egypt. According to Hopi mythology/religion, the 'Great Spirit' or 'Creator' will not see perfection in His work until the 9th World has arrived. Which is, probably, a long, long time 'til. However, the Fifth World is the 'redemption' the 'purification' and the 'restoration' of balance, harmony and peace.

If you want to read more about it, I can recommend you google the Hopi prophecies of the Fifth World, the Blue Kachina (Sirius) as well as cosmic alchemy. Also, the movie 'The Quickening' might give you an interesting view on Mayan religion, or, actually Meso-American religion, incl. the Mayan, as well as the Mayan calendar.

riseaquarius
25-11-2012, 07:15 AM
Our calendars aren't even right. We've already passed 2012, right? There are going to be so many people feeling really stupid on the 22nd.
It's even worse than that thing with Harold Camping... in which case, how are those people going?
I wonder about this too sometimes. My main concern is that the calendars may have been deliberately tampered with.

'Phantom Time Hypothesis' is a lesser known conspiracy theory claiming that around 600AD during the dark ages when people weren
t paying attention, TPTB artificially advanced the Gregorian calendar by 300 years to the year 900AD.

There are two main bodies of evidence to support the theory. Architecture and technology show no advancement from 600 to 900AD,
and there's almost a complete lack of primary sources for events during those years. Those that exist are unverifiable and inconsistent.

There's actually a pretty solid case to support this much,
but the theory remains unpopular because it lacks a plausible motive, and any possible motive would require immortal conspirators.

That's where Demon/alien conspiracies come in, and explains the coverup.

My 'best guess' theory is that the real 2012 is probably an important year,
but that these beings may have wanted an extra 300 years with which to establish their New World Order.
According to Phantom Time Hypothesis, the current year is actually something like AD 1712.

Keep in mind the only Mayan calendars discovered were sealed up in temple walls or tombs, suggesting a religious purge.
That clearly indicates Satanic motives and meddling. Then you have daily sacrifices and blood rituals.
Their 'god' ultimately threw them under the bus in favor of Spaniards, whom he then also controlled.

There are obviously plenty of holes in 'PTH' as well as in my extended version ;), so I really don't invest much into it at the moment.

However I think it will be worth a serious investigation if December 21st comes and goes without incident.

swamideva
25-11-2012, 10:26 AM
Nothing will happen on that date because its already happening. It started 25 years ago with what was called Harmonic Convergence. It will carry on 25 years into the future. Look back over those 25 years and see the changes, not only in the world, but more importantly in yourself. Can you see how everything is accelerating up to that point, in one month.

Look at the growth in, information, technology, spirituality, in fact on every level, positive and negative. These are all changes within yourself.

21-12-12 is the tipping point. The Mayan's called it the end of time, not the end of the world. It will come, it will pass most wont notice a thing. Those observing the big picture will.

Im not going to go into details here.

Big massive changes are here, life is getting crazier. It is happening we are dealing with it. The stress, the bills, the NWO. Crazy weather, Fukushima, an on and on and on.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ORDINARY LIFE.

In the third dimension, time and space , these changes crawl along. From a fifth dimensional point of view, no time and space, it's all happening very fast.

So get out of the NWO 3D box.

Where do the reptiles come from. They are not 3D.

Wake up to your multidimensional self.

mapaboutman
25-11-2012, 10:28 AM
:)
I'm amazed at the amount of information available to us at this moment in time, and the speed at which this year has passed, Just on this forum alone is an amazing amount of info on all sorts of subjects, there's also alot of misinformation about. I don't think this is a coincidence people are becoming aware of things like never before and tptb seem to be working harder than ever at getting things fixed.

I think we are reaching a tipping point where the information and how to use it filters through us easier, we'll be able to reclaim our true selves through our dna, our experience of life will be different. How this will manifest I dont know, we'll have to wait and see, one interesting snippet of information was that the mayan calender ends at the end of this year (in theory), and the vedics predicted a new age staring in febuary of 2013.

The best advice I have heard is be prepared for a change in your perception of things and be fearless, the more you cling on to the old ways the less chance you have of riding the wave of change:)

brainbubbler
25-11-2012, 11:44 AM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.


Good and very interesting post, thanks:), well to answer with my own view, I see no logical reason to think that anything will happen on or after that date, I'm aware that the Mayans were a relatively advanced ancient civilization and that their reasons for not continuing their calender after that date are yet to be understood but we can presume they had a reason, the interpretation that some have made of it, ie, the world will end (heyyyy the Apocalypse maan :D) is of course purely that, just an interpretation or a presumption if you like, the Mayans themselves never said that at all, well not for that date anyhow, others have interpreted it in a way that is arguably more plausible and positive, they believe it might be the start of a new awakening of human consciousness, again, the problem with this is that whilst I can accept that could occur I see no reason why it has to be on that specific date 21.12.12, I can't see why the Mayans would stop measuring time just because of an awaking of human consciousness if they were aware all the way back then that it would happen, so, bottom line, I just don't know for sure and will be waiting to see what happens like everyone else, it has to be said, with the state of the economy and my personal life not being all it should be it's tempting to actually welcome the end of the world:D but I try not to be so selfish and I'd certainly also welcome a higher better level of human consciousness too if that is what will happen:), most likely though, I am certain that nothing that could even be remotely described as Apocalyptic will occur on the date even though I'd love to be proven wrong!

mr tall
25-11-2012, 03:48 PM
The world will not end in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012.

21_12_2012
25-11-2012, 04:06 PM
Nothing will happen on that date because its already happening. It started 25 years ago with what was called Harmonic Convergence. It will carry on 25 years into the future. Look back over those 25 years and see the changes, not only in the world, but more importantly in yourself. Can you see how everything is accelerating up to that point, in one month.

Look at the growth in, information, technology, spirituality, in fact on every level, positive and negative. These are all changes within yourself.

21-12-12 is the tipping point. The Mayan's called it the end of time, not the end of the world. It will come, it will pass most wont notice a thing. Those observing the big picture will.

Im not going to go into details here.

Big massive changes are here, life is getting crazier. It is happening we are dealing with it. The stress, the bills, the NWO. Crazy weather, Fukushima, an on and on and on.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ORDINARY LIFE.

In the third dimension, time and space , these changes crawl along. From a fifth dimensional point of view, no time and space, it's all happening very fast.

So get out of the NWO 3D box.

Where do the reptiles come from. They are not 3D.

Wake up to your multidimensional self.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

swamideva
25-11-2012, 04:14 PM
1. I don't put any stock in the Mayan theories, but the Middle East is looking more and more like a prelude to something big; historically, and recently with the prolonged Arab Spring, and now with Israel sticking its boot in. I think something big will happen, but it will most likely be a manufactured war rather than some psuedo-prophetic hokus pokus.

2. The world is depressing for those who see it clearly.

3. Agreed. But I'll read the tabloids if I want a laugh.

There's something in the bible, in the bible about fighting in Armageddon, heralding the end of the world.

So when they are fighting in Armageddon, armageddon out of here.
Spike Milligan.:D

brainbubbler
25-11-2012, 05:46 PM
There's something in the bible, in the bible about fighting in Armageddon, heralding the end of the world.

So when they are fighting in Armageddon, armageddon out of here.
Spike Milligan.:D


Ha:D

toty1994
25-11-2012, 06:41 PM
This is what'll happen on here:

On the 22nd, after nothing of note happens, someone starts a thread saying something huge has happened, castigating anyone who disagrees as naive or obvious shill. Jump to April 2013 and said thread is still active with 2 or 3 regular contributers playing an endless game of 'yes it did, no it didn't' tennis. Rest of DI forum has moved on.

The End

gnomonist
25-11-2012, 08:16 PM
Speaking of humor (or lack thereof that was mentioned), I want to share what I think is a funny experience I had back in 1975 as a 16-year-old boy went to a movie theator with my father to watch (I believe) the movie "Chariots of the Gods". I sware that the date they gave on that movie that aliens returned was not December 21, 2012, but rather December 24, 2012, and I knew about this date for 37 years now.

The reason I mentioned this was because my father and I, with our typical inane sense of humor, sang the xmas carol "Silent Night" (like any other xmas) but pretending it was 2012, and then screaming in the middle of the carol because the aliens came back. :D

But that's why I remember that date because of it being associted with xmas eve, otherwise we would not have thought to do joke like that.

I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember the 70's (and 80's) show "in search of", but on that show Leonard Nemoy gave the date December 21, 2011 instead.

It only seems recently that everone was agreeing on 12/21/12, but like I said, some of us old timers knew about this general time frame and Mayan stuff for awhile now (and back then it seemed soooooo far away like it would never get here.... :) )

brainbubbler
25-11-2012, 10:39 PM
Speaking of humor (or lack thereof that was mentioned), I want to share what I think is a funny experience I had back in 1975 as a 16-year-old boy went to a movie theator with my father to watch (I believe) the movie "Chariots of the Gods". I sware that the date they gave on that movie that aliens returned was not December 21, 2012, but rather December 24, 2012, and I knew about this date for 37 years now.

The reason I mentioned this was because my father and I, with our typical inane sense of humor, sang the xmas carol "Silent Night" (like any other xmas) but pretending it was 2012, and then screaming in the middle of the carol because the aliens came back. :D

But that's why I remember that date because of it being associted with xmas eve, otherwise we would not have thought to do joke like that.

I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember the 70's (and 80's) show "in search of", but on that show Leonard Nemoy gave the date December 21, 2011 instead.

It only seems recently that everone was agreeing on 12/21/12, but like I said, some of us old timers knew about this general time frame and Mayan stuff for awhile now (and back then it seemed soooooo far away like it would never get here.... :) )


Yep, 48 year old fellow ol' timer here:D, the little kid that lives on deep inside me is still back in the 1970's waiting even for the year 2000:D, that too seemed a life time away back in the 70's, actually there were many back then that thought something would happen there but....nope....not a zilch, new years day 2000 was a total non event aside from hangovers, the closest thing to anything like "Apocalypse year 2000" etc was the mass computer melt down threat but that was easily sorted, presumably 21.12.12 will be an equal non event, oh well, we have our memories eh??:)

summers444
25-11-2012, 11:06 PM
I feel as though a lot are too concerned with the title "12.21.12" which has led to "time is an illusion," "our calendar is wrong," and "their calendar was off." It isn't about the date or time as it is about what will happen in the universe. Whether that is nothing, the end, or a new beginning is something I don't know the answer to.

I do have the feeling 2013 will be "new," so to speak. That's just me though.

reptileslayer
25-11-2012, 11:20 PM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.My guess is that nothing of any significance will happen. However the late great Terrence Mckenna 'discovered' a novelty pattern, involving the Chinese I CHING and the time line of history. He called this TIMEWAVE ZERO, he said the graph for the timeline, went back thousands of years, and then it suddenly ends on DECEMBER 21st 2012 :eek: so with less than a month to go, it will be interesting to observe :cool:

furling
25-11-2012, 11:36 PM
Well will just have to wait and see if anything happens on 21-12-12.

I hope something good happens but I am a bit concerned that the elites may use that day for thier own ends. "Self-fulfilling prophecy"

saty
25-11-2012, 11:36 PM
Nothing will happen on that date because its already happening. It started 25 years ago with what was called Harmonic Convergence. It will carry on 25 years into the future. Look back over those 25 years and see the changes, not only in the world, but more importantly in yourself. Can you see how everything is accelerating up to that point, in one month.

Look at the growth in, information, technology, spirituality, in fact on every level, positive and negative. These are all changes within yourself.

21-12-12 is the tipping point. The Mayan's called it the end of time, not the end of the world. It will come, it will pass most wont notice a thing. Those observing the big picture will.

Im not going to go into details here.

Big massive changes are here, life is getting crazier. It is happening we are dealing with it. The stress, the bills, the NWO. Crazy weather, Fukushima, an on and on and on.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ORDINARY LIFE.

In the third dimension, time and space , these changes crawl along. From a fifth dimensional point of view, no time and space, it's all happening very fast.

So get out of the NWO 3D box.

Where do the reptiles come from. They are not 3D.

Wake up to your multidimensional self.

+1!!
I think for the first time in like forever we have the chance to escape this prison 3D reality and move to the higher realms(5D).Lizards are lower 4D , they can't advance further cause they are low vibrational.Most folks are very attached to the system(matrix) and don't give a fuck about anything outside of the box.They won't evolve because they don't want to.

p.s. there won't be the end of the world, the talk of end of times has been around since the dawn of time.It's lame and stupid to even consider it.
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=m&year=2012&month=12&day=21&hour=11&min=11&sec=11&p0=0
25 days to go until Friday, 21 December 2012, 11:11:11 (UTC time)

riseaquarius
26-11-2012, 03:47 AM
someone starts a thread saying something huge has happened, castigating anyone who disagrees as naive or obvious shill.
If something huge actually does happen, people would be naive or shills to deny it. It depends on the argument.

If anything, a thread like that without anything to support it would probably be started by a shill.

(Shills create more threads around here than people realize.)

302bluefog
26-11-2012, 04:47 AM
+1!!
I think for the first time in like forever we have the chance to escape this prison 3D reality and move to the higher realms(5D).Lizards are lower 4D , they can't advance further cause they are low vibrational.Most folks are very attached to the system(matrix) and don't give a fuck about anything outside of the box.They won't evolve because they don't want to.

p.s. there won't be the end of the world, the talk of end of times has been around since the dawn of time.It's lame and stupid to even consider it.
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=m&year=2012&month=12&day=21&hour=11&min=11&sec=11&p0=0
25 days to go until Friday, 21 December 2012, 11:11:11 (UTC time)

Evolve into what?

riseaquarius
26-11-2012, 09:17 AM
Shill alert, saty.

Real people know what you mean.

da renn
26-11-2012, 09:36 AM
I read much cynicism and lack of clarity. The end of the Calendar, whether Mayan or Aztec, is 21st Dec 2012- PERIOD. It always was! Never mind all the naysayers, detractors and confusers. If we create our own reality, we have created for ourselves this date as most significant to come together for ACTION of a Spiritual Kind.... If the "Illuminati" see opportunity for effective rituals of further control, WE- as Awakening Spiritual Beings- should SEE it as time for action on our part; for our Ultimate Freedom on all levels of life...

David Icke finished his Wembley lecture with the insightful and very wise call for us to gather together regularly and celebrate Life and Spirit. Whatever your personal feelings about David, whatever your Spirituality or religion, that is excellent advice with such a very special date looming dead ahead. People have gathered at special times since pre history in honour and thanksgiving to benign natural or Spiritual Powers (or otherwise).
To help offset the negativity and conflict of this world system, we can give of our Light and Life for FREEDOM on the auspicious date of Dec 21st- Winter Solstice- at 11.11am. So many switched on people will be doing just that. If you see it as a futile act then you're part of the problem not the solution.

We aren't products of natural selection and evolution as they would have us believe, we aren't a cosmic accident, we are Powerful, Cosmic Energy Beings; Spiritual Beings in Essence. To help Positively affect the Ley-Line Grid of this Planet- and the local Cosmos- get yourself to the nearest Sacred Site (i'm gonna be at Avebury Stone Circle) pump Love into your Heart for all that is good; and remember the MIRACLE of Life, the GIFT of it- and Celebrate it- like it's the frickin' Second Coming- fer Christ's sake (It could well be, from Within US). Get out there and help Create (y)our Own Reality, not have it created for you and us anymore. We can experience our personal lives Changing dramatically- if we're sharp enough to notice and respond to the inner promptings. From hereon in the Awakening can and will accelerate.

The ding dong bell of Awakening is resounding folks, it has been for some time; but the majority are too numb (or too dumb) to hear it.

brainbubbler
26-11-2012, 10:07 AM
I feel as though a lot are too concerned with the title "12.21.12" which has led to "time is an illusion," "our calendar is wrong," and "their calendar was off." It isn't about the date or time as it is about what will happen in the universe. Whether that is nothing, the end, or a new beginning is something I don't know the answer to.

I do have the feeling 2013 will be "new," so to speak. That's just me though.


Well certainly I HOPE something positive will come of it, the end of the world or change per say is inevitable at some point, after all, the world had a start with plenty of developments in humans being undertaken since, think of how many stages we went to in order to get to where were are now, the Homosapien stage is the latest but no reason to think it's the last (God I hope it's not) so it stands the reason that one day the world will end or before that at least another major change will occur in the human race, so either way one can call it some form of an "Apocalypse" when it happens but the issue here is that a date has been named and that is always risky, the whole essence of the Mayan prophecy is founded on the missing bit of their otherwise very advanced (for it's time) calender, they had nothing on or beyond 21.12.12, so assumptions about the end of the world or SOMETHING occurring are based on this, I can understand why but if the Mayans actually believed something would occur on that date then wouldn't they have just said so??, as far as I know they never said anything about anything happening, if they did I might be a bit more worried because they certainly were very advanced and clever.

dolores1
26-11-2012, 12:21 PM
Does anyone really truly know what day it actually is?


Never mind what the date really is?


Oh, not to mention what hour it really is since between summer savings time, longitudianal lines etc.

?
D.

ufochick
26-11-2012, 12:32 PM
Theate is being used by many many different beliefs systems. I have no idea what if anything will happen. The common theme seems to be 3 days of darkness though. The one thing that bothers me though is how many remote viewers cannot see beyond this date. it has been an issue for a number of years.

I guess if the sun does not appear on the 21st I will do as the native people's tell us. Stay inside, windows covered, not look outside and keep out of the fear state.

deinonychus
26-11-2012, 12:38 PM
I just can't wait once this day has passed, because nothing significant will happen. Just another ordinary day.
And of course you'll see people with news articles about a few starving people, or a car crash, and then say.. ''Look it was prophesied!''

I've already made notes in my agenda and phone, it's going to be the..

International Mock-the-New Agers Day

xeon
26-11-2012, 01:33 PM
I am 99% sure nothing is going to happen at all.

Except the end of certain New Age gurus and maybe some suicides by people unwilling to admit that they were wrong.

And I fully expect godlessness to keep on increasing, as people start to think maybe, they can do whatever they like with no fear of repercussions, and as they continue to see the rich and "powerful" continuing to prosper and oppress the weak in an insane/god-forsaken world.....

Not cheerful, I know, but spoken with eyes wide open.

302bluefog
26-11-2012, 02:24 PM
I am 99% sure nothing is going to happen at all.

Except the end of certain New Age gurus and maybe some suicides by people unwilling to admit that they were wrong.

And I fully expect godlessness to keep on increasing, as people start to think maybe, they can do whatever they like with no fear of repercussions, and as they continue to see the rich and "powerful" continuing to prosper and oppress the weak in an insane/god-forsaken world.....

Not cheerful, I know, but spoken with eyes wide open.

repercussions?

Kids die everyday by gun violence, is that because of repercussions?

da renn
26-11-2012, 02:37 PM
Does anyone really truly know what day it actually is?


Never mind what the date really is?


Oh, not to mention what hour it really is since between summer savings time, longitudianal lines etc.

?
D.

Oh jeez. It's Dec 21st 2012...11.11am UTC (Coordinated Universal Time). Dates may vary depending on the time zone. Most people will be makin a day of it.
Something very interesting...The official time for Winter Solstice on that date was for many years set at 11.11am (very auspicious ;) ). Recently they've changed it to 11.12am!! (WTF?)

gnomonist
27-11-2012, 08:27 PM
Oh jeez. It's Dec 21st 2012...11.11am UTC (Coordinated Universal Time). Dates may vary depending on the time zone. Most people will be makin a day of it.
Something very interesting...The official time for Winter Solstice on that date was for many years set at 11.11am (very auspicious ;) ). Recently they've changed it to 11.12am!! (WTF?)

My astronomy program gives the time of the winter solstice as 11:11:14 UTC.

So, to the nearest minute it is 11:11AM.

Last year on 11/11/11 I made a claim that it was "Jeroboam's Halloween". Only fellow conspiracy theorist Christians like myself understood. Most of the church masses are sheeple like everyone else and don't know what the bible teaches, but that's just my opinion mind you.

swamideva
27-11-2012, 09:20 PM
+1!!
I think for the first time in like forever we have the chance to escape this prison 3D reality and move to the higher realms(5D).Lizards are lower 4D , they can't advance further cause they are low vibrational.Most folks are very attached to the system(matrix) and don't give a fuck about anything outside of the box.They won't evolve because they don't want to.

p.s. there won't be the end of the world, the talk of end of times has been around since the dawn of time.It's lame and stupid to even consider it.
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=m&year=2012&month=12&day=21&hour=11&min=11&sec=11&p0=0
25 days to go until Friday, 21 December 2012, 11:11:11 (UTC time)

Nice 5D post Saty. Its amazing. 5D here we come. Im bringing it right here on this planet. The essence of control, is to cut us of from our spirituality. When we wake up and realize our true self. No one can touch us. Oh they might hurt or kill the body. So what when i change bodies when they wear out. Like an old suit of clothes. This time though, we fill the spaces inbetween the atoms with light, and evolve, into a heart centred being instead of a head and gut controlled being.

betty_swallocks
01-12-2012, 07:44 PM
You sure do like to label people. Out of interest, how do you label yourself?

I label myself as an alcoholic, a stoner, a free thinker, a loner. I pay attention to the theories but I don't live by them. You did ask so I'll give an honest answer.

gremlin
01-12-2012, 07:49 PM
3 weeks so we can put this beast to bed and shag it like it has shagged us.

the1andonly
01-12-2012, 08:05 PM
Rockefeller - Bilderberg - Bohemian Grove - Masonic Lodge Exposed!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ_j2RkvqRo

betty_swallocks
01-12-2012, 08:12 PM
I doubt that anything significant will happen. In a way, I hope it does. I can't wait for 'the end of the world'. I'll either die a victim or die a martyr.

I'm glad I asked the question. Nobody truly knows the answer.

To question the reality in which we live and to not accept any 'truths' is the way forward. Let's see what happens.

swamideva
01-12-2012, 09:00 PM
I label myself as an alcoholic, a stoner, a free thinker, a loner. I pay attention to the theories but I don't live by them. You did ask so I'll give an honest answer.

By the sound of it, you are to out of it to know what's happening today, never mind the future.:p I know Ive been there. How can you wake up if you're numbed out all day.

Stop hurting yourself with all those toxic chemicals, and GM skunkweed, if you can't stop. Get help.

My honest opinion, and thanks for the thread, it a good one.

cybersurf
01-12-2012, 09:31 PM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.

I'm from the American Colonies, and I wonder if you saw in TV or in the Stadium the London Olympics Oppening/Clossing ceremony, because that was a clear mesage only a stoned junky in the american colonies would miss... I mean, the mesage was, "We are the Rulers of the World and we are to rule the world in the new era, and our predictions (those things we are going to engineer for ya) are the destruction of the current civilization to create a world wide police state under our rule".

And to stress the message, the symbology of the Illuminati and the story of the phoenix, that the old cycle (you in your world, where you have to work to pay your bills) will burn to ashes to give birth to the new (Their police state where you will have to work even harder to pay for your even bigger bills):

http://thedoggstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/olympic_phoenix.jpeg

http://libertadparalahumanidad.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/london-olympics-2012-illuminati-conspiracy.jpeg

nwobeliever
01-12-2012, 09:35 PM
change change change change change change change change change change

its about change change change change

this year has produced more change and pathways to change then i have seen in years - not just in the west.......

whether is change for good or bad - that depends.......

what have you done to contribute to change change change? (blogging doesn't count)

cybersurf
01-12-2012, 09:36 PM
An alternative? Shure! be aware of this and refuse to agree with that, as the fluoridated masses (those work only to pay their bills) do.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/07/article-0-0451E945000005DC-48_468x286.jpg

cybersurf
01-12-2012, 09:38 PM
change change change change change change change change change change

its about change change change change

this year has produced more change and pathways to change then i have seen in years - not just in the west.......

whether is change for good or bad - that depends.......

what have you done to contribute to change change change? (blogging doesn't count)

Truther blogging does shure contributes, it changes minds and that is the most important change. You change a mind and that mind changes the world.

nwobeliever
01-12-2012, 09:38 PM
we are hacking our area disrupting television signals atm and another mate is sneaking on to peoples roofs at night stealing them......

Just helping to open peoples eyes a bit - but o boy to people freak out with no signal or satellite dish - its worse than no power - its like heroin to them/us/everyone with only half a brain.....

nwobeliever
01-12-2012, 09:39 PM
An alternative? Shure! be aware of this and refuse to agree with that, as the fluoridated masses (those work only to pay their bills) do.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/07/article-0-0451E945000005DC-48_468x286.jpg

Ahh Sweet Rain and river water how i love you......

cybersurf
01-12-2012, 09:45 PM
I've not visited this site for several months, maybe even a year or so. I always like to read the papers to see what people believe is the news and I used to like to visit fora like this to see what people believe is the truth.

Forgive my ignorance but I'm starting to not care about either perspective. I have to live my life, I have to pay my bills.

I work with people who spend the day talking about I'm a Celebrity or X-Factor or the latest Kate Middleton nudey pictures. If they are 'intelligent' they may mention politics or the latest crisis in the cradle of religious irrationality, the middle east. Nobody has the guts to take sides though. It's all about how awful it is that 'people are fighting'.

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

I think nothing will happen. I sincerely hope though that it will be a tipping point where and when the religious people either wipe themselves out through a global war or wake the fuck up and stop with their nonsense. Age of Aquarius and hippy stuff or global conflict and eradication of irrational people through mutual destruction.

The Jewy vs Muslimy thing is a positive sign that we might be on the path to enlightenment but what does the reptilian conspiracy community think?

Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.

I am going to tell you what happens not only in the american colonies and the rest of the colonies. This also happens in the land stolen from the Celts. In the Winter Solstice, arround christmas, secret societies and masons do human sacrifices of children, but of course you will not read that in the Beeb morning or evening news nor in the Bank of England owned printed media.

Nevertheless, this child sacrifices in Deep Underground Bases in the UK and the American colonies and in Elite european castles and chateus do engage in this child sacrifice. This is doccumented police records, so this winter solstice that is going to happen. But shure the Beeb will not report that in the evening news, so you will be able to say: "I bloody told ya! nothing happened"

nwobeliever
01-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Truther blogging does shure contributes, it changes minds and that is the most important change. You change a mind and that mind changes the world.

You cant change peoples minds, only they can, if you can convince someone of something through blogging a day, week, month or year later another blog wil do the same, i know a guy who believes every documentary he see's he will talk one day about this, then the next - o wait its been de-bunked didn't you see - you should watch it......

I think everyone should see for them selves not believe anyones words these days. I don't even believe my own sometimes, and when that happens i go re-trace my steps and see it again to re-affirm my belief or disbelief in it, memories are a matter of perception - so is change change change

david bowie - changes - YouTube

elpressiedente
02-12-2012, 01:29 AM
they arent lizard people from the moon.. the Yowie, bigfoot and Sasquatch own the moon.

the mayan calender is a device to determine the decay of a creation. Once something has been created it begins to decay whether it be a frog species or a house or a car. This calendar allows the user to plot when the species dna expires or the house (stone temple/pyramid) needs painting or blessing or car/temple needs servicing.

the postulation that a cycle ends this month coinciding with the earth crossing the elliptic of the galaxy so the age of aquarius begins and the piscean age ends has little to do with any hangover being derived by gullible minds.

matteria
02-12-2012, 01:35 AM
After digging through four pages of cynical garbage, I'm starting to think that when most people read '2012' anymore, they just assume the threat of some abstract 'armageddon' as portrayed in the fear-based MSM.
I think the actual concept of planetary re-alignment (which is allegedly the reason why the Mayan Calendar ends on 12-21-12 in case u forgot) and David Icke's research (this is the David Icke forum in case u forgot lol jkjk) are being neglected in this discussion. So I'll be jumping right in with them, but I won't be going in to too much detail because I could be off about a few things and it's better just to read 'Remember Who You Are.'

David Icke says the moon acts as a satelite designed to amplify the effects of Saturn, and that Saturn is a 'Dark Sun' presently overrun with reptilians. Saturn's rings are like super radio stations broadcasting a great deal of the reality here on Earth (and probably far-reaching other places), including mortality and the linear nature of time (i.e. everything that makes life 'unfair').
Now, David says he doesn't believe the 21st is going to be anything dramatic (other than something likely to be staged by the illumin-not-i.. seewhatidid?, i implied that they are not actually 'illuminated' as the name suggests) and that the Mayan calendar/Baktun cycles/different metallic ages/rash-hashana-kaliri-w/e/da/f are actually part of this illusory timeloop which is some kind of psycho-energetic trap which keeps us in a duality of good and bad, but I have to disagree.

It's not that I disbelieve that some of us are very much in this 'timeloop', just that I more strongly believe that something is going to happen in the period probably between 12-12-12 and 12-21-12 (I'll add to this in next paragraph) and it seems obvious to me why: If all the planets in our solar system are going to be re-aligned, and the Mayans decided that point in time to be the end of their calendar, then something is going to change about Saturn (the *time-planet*) and more than likely every other planet.
I think the real reason the 12/12/12-12/21/12 period is special isn't because it's the only time a change in consciousness is taking place, but that it's like a 'critical mass' of change; the time when all planets are most precisely aligned, and I think either during or shortly after that time everything that is clinging to the old fear paradigm will either be destroyed or otherwise fade from existence if it is incompatible with this change. Triple run-on sentence for the win.

Boom! Boom! Boom!

Hi Betty,

Just thought, since you mentioned me in your OP and asked for my opinion, that I'd share it with you...

On the 21st of December 2012 the fourth world will have ended. Our fourth world is 26 000 (or 24 000) years olds and has been marked with excess violence, strife, war, suppression, oppression and ignorance. The predominantly masculine energies (that the Luciferians worhip) of this Earth will be gone and a predominantly feminine energy will take over. The Fifth World (which comes about as our Sun's twin planet, Sirius, which has it's own orbital relationship with our Sun, comes close enough on its 26 000 year orbit, to alter the energies of our own planet.) will see the unification of mankind under a benevolent rule. It will see the end of war and it will see harmony restored to planet Earth. It is also the end of time, as human consciousness is expected (according to Maya religion) to transcend the perception of linear time during this 'level' or 'cycle' of human consciousness growth and evolution. 'The Golden Age' of the Fifth World is a period of 6000 years in the middle of the greater cycle which is the 26 000 years time of The Fifth World. Our last 'Golden Age' ended some 10 000 years ago and was centered around Egypt. According to Hopi mythology/religion, the 'Great Spirit' or 'Creator' will not see perfection in His work until the 9th World has arrived. Which is, probably, a long, long time 'til. However, the Fifth World is the 'redemption' the 'purification' and the 'restoration' of balance, harmony and peace.

only other good post

aster
02-12-2012, 02:11 AM
Thank you, what a lovely and positive post - and very much needed. Here's one to read again when events seem overwhelmingly grotesque and hopeless. Just hold on, dear people of Syria and everywhere else being oppressed. Help is on it's way at last!:)

blindside10
02-12-2012, 02:32 AM
I saw on a tv show the other day. That they were using the date of, the 12th of December. For the end of the Mayan long count calender.

Bloody hope not...:eek: I'll be on a plane then flying back to the good old UK. been away for a year... Wait, shit, I do hope it does ends....:p

cybersurf
02-12-2012, 03:56 AM
You cant change peoples minds, only they can, if you can convince someone of something through blogging a day, week, month or year later another blog wil do the same, i know a guy who believes every documentary he see's he will talk one day about this, then the next - o wait its been de-bunked didn't you see - you should watch it......

I think everyone should see for them selves not believe anyones words these days. I don't even believe my own sometimes, and when that happens i go re-trace my steps and see it again to re-affirm my belief or disbelief in it, memories are a matter of perception - so is change change change

david bowie - changes - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8)

That is what I say. After a blogger has presented it, one has to verify the information and then one can change ones mind.

And as regards memories being a matter of perception, it is partialy right, because a memory is a recording of a perceived fact, so one has to look to find the fact.

cybersurf
02-12-2012, 03:59 AM
they arent lizard people from the moon.. the Yowie, bigfoot and Sasquatch own the moon.

the mayan calender is a device to determine the decay of a creation. Once something has been created it begins to decay whether it be a frog species or a house or a car. This calendar allows the user to plot when the species dna expires or the house (stone temple/pyramid) needs painting or blessing or car/temple needs servicing.

the postulation that a cycle ends this month coinciding with the earth crossing the elliptic of the galaxy so the age of aquarius begins and the piscean age ends has little to do with any hangover being derived by gullible minds.

The problem is that the ones who will put very much importance to the winter solstice 2012 are the paedophile Rulers of the World in The City of London Corporation.

ozpixie
02-12-2012, 04:01 AM
TBH I will be glad to see the end of this distraction. Time is an artifical construct.

ozziethinker
02-12-2012, 08:09 AM
Although acutely ignorant the post poses some valid questions, whilst I wonder what the purpose is in asking a question without wanting an answer unless the objective is to waste the respondant's time.

There is a hint a few commenters might fathom the answer, but no one has [yet] provided a correct synopsis.

The famous calendar refered to is known as the "wheel of the sun" which proposes an end date of 21-12-12 for the start of the fifth [and final] sun. However, other calculations favour different dates and 23rd December 2012 is most favoured by scholars. However there are a number of problems.

A No one knows how old the wheel of the sun is

B There is only causal [i.e. no] evidence to support it was created by the Mayans and likely was NOT

C Most IMPORTANTLY it is INCOMPLETE so the "end date" of the 4th sun/epoch is unknown and I suspect may be 120 years from now gauging percecession cycles.

Though the Mayans preceeded the Aztecs, the Olmecs preceeded the Mayans. These were of a negro type and were often accompanied by the enigmatic and mysterious Viracochas.

An extinct creature called the Toxolin is depicted on the wheel of the sun and is replicated over 40 times. As it was an aquatic mammal with 3 toes, 5 foot high and 9 foot long, it was likely a popular food prior to 10,500BC.

Thus it is likely the wheel of the sun was carved prior to 10,400BC, when planetery disaster took place bad enough to wipe out over 70 entire species. One would be compelled to theorise the Olmecs were also wiped out leaving the wheel of the sun unfinished as evidence of their legacy.

With so many stakeholders wishing to protect a 6,000 year "world history", it is no wonder truths are distorted so.

To answer the question, if anything happens on 21st December 2012 it has nothing to do with the Olmec wheel of the sun and its unfinished prediction of the 5th sun.

grey area
02-12-2012, 10:01 AM
^^^

Very interesting post. Ta ozzie!

The evidence for pre 10,000BC civilisation seems pretty overwhelming.

tony 1
02-12-2012, 10:52 AM
Betty Swallocks wrote:

Everyone is aware of the Mayan thing about 2012, 21-12-12 or 12-21-12 if you are from some of the colonies. Only the thickest and most superficial of people are unaware of this 'conspiracy theory'.

I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

The supposed ‘end’ of the Mayan calendar in 2012 has unleashed a flood of theories, speculations and predictions about global catastrophes and/or the possible beginning of a new age. All sorts of ‘shifts’ have been predicted: e.g. earth shift, axis shift, climate shift, intellectual shift, consciousness shift, evolutionary shift, cosmic shift, directional shift, phase shift, quantum shift, dimensional shift, and world-age shift.

However, the Ancient wisdom tradition offers a very different vision of our evolutionary timeline. The globe we live on is said to be the most material of 12 globes that together make up the earth planetary chain; the other globes are situated on more aethereal planes and are therefore beyond our range of perception.

The earth will exist for 4.32 billion years and we are just past the midpoint and are now commenced on the ascending arc. During our planet’s lifetime, the various kingdoms of consciousness-centres associated with the earth make seven rounds through all the globes. The present, fourth round (which is a physical-material round or 'condition of form') on our own globe began 320million years ago, and most of humanity became selfconscious some 18 million years ago, in the third root-race. We are now in the fifth root-race, the fifth stage in the unfoldment of consciousness on this globe in the present round, and still have many millions of years to go before completing the last two stages.

When the present globe round is complete we will pass on to the higher globes and, after a period of rest (pralaya), we will then make a further three rounds through all the globes before our evolution during the present embodiment of this planetary chain is over.

If we make the grade, we will then enter the higher, spiritual kingdoms and continue our evolution for several more non-physical embodiments of the earth. After that we will make similar evolutionary journeys, from the lowest kingdom to the highest, on the other sacred planets of our solar system, and eventually in other solar systems etc. So in one sense evolution is beginningless and endless; there are only temporary starting and stopping points, an endless succession of periods of evolutionary activity (manvantaras) followed by periods of rest (pralayas).


There are no shortcuts to becoming truly human as it takes the work of countless lives. In this respect, whether 21 December 2012 is the end of one of the Maya’s calendrical cycles or not is of no great importance. The idea that 2012 offers us some sort of unique opportunity is a myth. Every day is potentially a new beginning, full of new challenges and fresh opportunities for self-development and service to others.

So in answer to your question 'what is going to happen in less than a month?' I say that will depend entirely on what you and other people do between now and then. Insofar as drastic earth changes, apocalyptic and other New Age or religious scenarios are concerned they are NOT going to happen.

Regards

Om Tat Sat

kamagawa
02-12-2012, 10:56 AM
Good point Ozzie.
Also the actual 13 Baktun thing is actually because of a broken wall.
What I think (more like hope) will happen is 21-12-2012 is the unfulfilled prophecy that will make people realize that they are the ones who need to do something, and Jesus/Allah/Buddha/Mohammad/the-big-giant-head is not going to save them.

One interesting bit of info, the chilambalam hints that there is a transition period of about 3 months between the great cycles.
So basically, I am more interested in March/April than the end of this month.

brainbubbler
02-12-2012, 11:43 AM
Does anyone really truly know what day it actually is?


Never mind what the date really is?


Oh, not to mention what hour it really is since between summer savings time, longitudianal lines etc.

?
D.

There's a lot of different views on it but my understanding (which could be wrong) is that the whole Mayan 21.12.12 Apocalypse date is based on the Mayan calendar officially ending on the 20th Dec 2012, had it ended on the 21st then there would be no reason to think that anything is supposed to happen on the 21st, this is why I'm guessing their calender only goes up to the 20th although I've never seen it, so many conclude that something will happen the next day which is obviously on the 21st Dec, whatever it is that will happen (if anything) believers think that it must be very serious and Apocalyptic and that the Mayans must have known about it and this must be why they ended the calendar the day before, after all, there's not many things that would mean having to stop measuring dates unless it was the end of the world so I can see why many get that idea, we can but wait and see although I'm 99% certain that we'll be still posting here on the 21st discussing how much has.....NOT happened:D.

kamagawa
02-12-2012, 01:37 PM
Found some that also say the next age begins in march.
Only problem is they are charging for stuff that should be free (if true, that is).
So i now think there is no hope for people and these messages of hope are merely to keep us all under the control of the elite so that we ignore the background even more.

swamideva
02-12-2012, 07:57 PM
Betty Swallocks wrote:



The supposed ‘end’ of the Mayan calendar in 2012 has unleashed a flood of theories, speculations and predictions about global catastrophes and/or the possible beginning of a new age. All sorts of ‘shifts’ have been predicted: e.g. earth shift, axis shift, climate shift, intellectual shift, consciousness shift, evolutionary shift, cosmic shift, directional shift, phase shift, quantum shift, dimensional shift, and world-age shift.

However, the Ancient wisdom tradition offers a very different vision of our evolutionary timeline. The globe we live on is said to be the most material of 12 globes that together make up the earth planetary chain; the other globes are situated on more aethereal planes and are therefore beyond our range of perception.

The earth will exist for 4.32 billion years and we are just past the midpoint and are now commenced on the ascending arc. During our planet’s lifetime, the various kingdoms of consciousness-centres associated with the earth make seven rounds through all the globes. The present, fourth round (which is a physical-material round or 'condition of form') on our own globe began 320million years ago, and most of humanity became selfconscious some 18 million years ago, in the third root-race. We are now in the fifth root-race, the fifth stage in the unfoldment of consciousness on this globe in the present round, and still have many millions of years to go before completing the last two stages.

When the present globe round is complete we will pass on to the higher globes and, after a period of rest (pralaya), we will then make a further three rounds through all the globes before our evolution during the present embodiment of this planetary chain is over.

If we make the grade, we will then enter the higher, spiritual kingdoms and continue our evolution for several more non-physical embodiments of the earth. After that we will make similar evolutionary journeys, from the lowest kingdom to the highest, on the other sacred planets of our solar system, and eventually in other solar systems etc. So in one sense evolution is beginningless and endless; there are only temporary starting and stopping points, an endless succession of periods of evolutionary activity (manvantaras) followed by periods of rest (pralayas).


There are no shortcuts to becoming truly human as it takes the work of countless lives. In this respect, whether 21 December 2012 is the end of one of the Maya’s calendrical cycles or not is of no great importance. The idea that 2012 offers us some sort of unique opportunity is a myth. Every day is potentially a new beginning, full of new challenges and fresh opportunities for self-development and service to others.

So in answer to your question 'what is going to happen in less than a month?' I say that will depend entirely on what you and other people do between now and then. Insofar as drastic earth changes, apocalyptic and other New Age or religious scenarios are concerned they are NOT going to happen.

Regards

Om Tat Sat

Sounds like you got all that out of a book, can we have a reference, sounds like the vedas, which part?
You sound very certain about all that stuff. Do you think many people understood that? You lost me a few million years ago.

swamideva
02-12-2012, 08:04 PM
[quote=matteria;1061171228]


I think the real reason the 12/12/12-12/21/12 period is special isn't because it's the only time a change in consciouness is taking place, but that it's like a 'critical mass' of change;


Is there anything else besides consciousness? Everyone is talking about what will happen to the outer world, if its nothing, they will all have a good laugh. What if, with the focus of your attention on the outer, you miss whats happening, in your own inner reality.

swamideva
02-12-2012, 08:15 PM
change change change change change change change change change change

its about change change change change

this year has produced more change and pathways to change then i have seen in years - not just in the west.......

whether is change for good or bad - that depends.......

what have you done to contribute to change change change? (blogging doesn't count)

Yes change is the most difficult of things we can do, get outside of the box and our comfort zone. Any change is good, whatever the perception of it. Its the static, status quo, stagnation that's the problem.

nwobeliever
02-12-2012, 09:29 PM
That is what I say. After a blogger has presented it, one has to verify the information and then one can change ones mind.

And as regards memories being a matter of perception, it is partialy right, because a memory is a recording of a perceived fact, so one has to look to find the fact.

That right, i agree with that.... Which is why i don't understand so many people using the word FACT "its a scientific FACT" "FACTS show that"........what FACTS? based on a study conduct by someone you don't know? until you try for your self, see it in action how do you truly know that it is the truth? How do you know that outcomes aren't doctored by the very people we claim to be in control?

Read to educate and inspire - look, listen, travel and find out for yourself for facts.

nwobeliever
02-12-2012, 09:32 PM
Yes change is the most difficult of things we can do, get outside of the box and our comfort zone. Any change is good, whatever the perception of it. Its the static, status quo, stagnation that's the problem.

Thats true, but i believe as well that if we change ourselves first we will find more people that have changed around us, if we can change and people can see it/feel it it can hope open eyes.

100th monkey syndrome

swamideva
02-12-2012, 09:38 PM
Osho Discourse on New Man (and Woman, if you want pc substitute person for man. This was the 70's or 80' not sure.)

Osho - A new man is emerging. The image of the new man is not yet clear, but the horizon is becoming red and the sun will soon be there. The morning mist is there and the image of the new man is vague, but still a few things are very crystal clear about the new man.

And this is of tremendous importance because since the monkey became man, man has remained the same. A great revolution is on the way. It will be far more deep-going than the revolution that happened when monkeys started walking on the earth and became human beings. That change created mind, that change brought psychology in.

Now another far more significant change is going to happen that will bring the soul in, and man will not only be a psychological being but a spiritual being too. You are living in one of the most alive times ever. The new man has already arrived in fragments, but only in fragments. And the new man has been arriving for centuries, but only here and there.

That’s how things happen. When the spring comes it starts with one flower. But when the one flower is there, then one can be certain: that spring is not faraway – it has come. The first flower has heralded its coming: Zarathustra, Krishna, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Jesus – these were the first flowers. Now the new man is going to be born on a greater scale.

According to me, this new consciousness is the most important thing that is happening today. I would like to tell you something about this new consciousness, its orientations, and its characteristics, because you are to help it come out of the womb – because you HAVE TO BE IT. The new man cannot come from nowhere, he has to come through you.

The new man can only be born through your womb. You have to become the womb. Sannyas is an experiment to clean the ground so that new seeds can fall in. If you understand the meaning of the new man, you will be able to understand the significance of sannyas too.

And it is because sannyas is concerned with the new man that the old orthodoxies of all kinds are going to be against me and against sannyas, because this will be their end. If sannyas succeeds, if the new man succeeds, the old will have to go. The old can live only if the new man is prevented from coming.

It cannot be prevented now, because it is not only a question of the new man’s coming into existence, it is a question of the survival of the whole earth, of consciousness itself, of life itself. It is a question of life and death. The old man has come to utter destructiveness. The old man has reached the end of his tether.

Now there is no life possible with the old concept of man but only death. The old man is preparing for a global suicide. The old man is piling up atom bombs, hydrogen bombs, in order to commit a collective suicide. This is a very unconscious desire. Rather than allowing the new man to be, the old man would like to destroy the whole thing.

You have to understand, you have to protect the new, because the new carries the whole future with it. And man has come to a stage where a great quantum leap is possible. The old man was other-worldly, the old man was against this world. The old man was always looking to the heavens. The old man was more concerned with life after death than life before death.

The new man’s concern will be life before death. The new man’s concern will be THIS life, because if this life is taken care of, the other will follow of its own accord. One need not worry about it, one need not think about it. The old man was too concerned with God. That concern was out of fear. The new man will not be concerned with God, but will live and love this world, and out of that love he will experience the existence of God.

The old man was speculative, the new man is going to be existential. The old man can be defined in the Upanishadic statement: NETI-NETI, not this, not this. The old man was negative – life-negative, life-denying. The new man will be life-affirming: ITI-ITI, this and this. The old man’s concern was THAT, the new man’s concern will be this, because out of this that is born, and if you become too concerned with that, you miss both.

Tomorrow is in the womb of today. Take care of today and you have taken care of tomorrow. There is no need to be in any way worried about tomorrow. If you become too worried about tomorrow you have missed today. And tomorrow will come as today – it always comes as today. If you have learned this suicidal habit of missing today, you will miss tomorrow also.

You will go on missing. The old man was continuously missing, was miserable, sad. And because he was sad he was against the world, he blamed the world, he blamed SAMSARA. He said, ’It is because of the world that I am in misery.’ It is not so. The world is immensely beautiful, it is all beauty, bliss and benediction.

There is nothing wrong with the world. Something was wrong with the old mind. The old mind was either past-oriented or future-oriented, which are not really different orientations. The old mind was concerned with that which is not. The new man will be utterly in tune with that which is, because it is God, it is reality: iti-iti, this is it.

This moment has to be lived in its totality. This moment has to be lived in its spontaneity, with no A PRIORI ideas. The old man was carrying ready-made answers. He was stuffed with philosophy, religion and all kinds of nonsense. The new man is going to live life without any A PRIORI conclusion about it. Without any conclusion one has to face existence, and then one knows what it is. If you have already concluded, your conclusion will become a barrier.

It will not allow you inquiry – your conclusion will become a blindfold. It will not allow you to see the truth – your investment will be in the conclusion. You will distort reality to fit your conclusion. That’s what has been done up to now. The new man will not be Hindu, will not be Mohammedan, will not be Christian, will not be communist.

The new man will not know all these ’isms’. The new man will simply be an opening, a window to reality. He will allow reality as it is. He will not project his own mind upon it. He will not use reality as a screen. His eyes will be available; they will not be full of ideas. The new man will not live out of belief, he will simply live. And remember, only those who can simply live, without belief, come to know what truth is.

The believer or the disbeliever never come to know what truth is. Their beliefs are too heavy on their minds. They are surrounded too much by their belief systems. The new man will not know any belief system. He will watch, he will observe, he will see, he will live, and he will allow all kinds of experiences. He will be available, he will be multi dimensional.

The old man lived out of fear – even his GoHe will not carry scriptures in his head, he will carry only alertness awareness. He will be meditative.d was nothing but a creation out of fear. His temples, mosques, GURUDWARAS, churches – they were all out of fear. He was trembling, he was afraid. The new man will live out of love, not out of fear, because fear serves death, love serves life.

And if you live out of fear you will never know what life is, you will only know death again and again. And remember, the person who lives out of fear creates all kinds of situations in which he has to feel more and more fear. Yom fear creates situations, just as your love creates situations. If you love, you will find so many occasions to be loving.

If you are afraid, you will find so many occasions to be afraid. Love is going to be the taste of the new consciousness. Because fear was the taste of the old consciousness it created wars. In three thousand years man has fought five thousand wars – as if we have not been doing nything else – continuous fighting somewhere or other. This is a very mad state of affairs. Humanity’s past is insane.

The new man will become discontinuous with this insane past. He will believe in love, not in war. He will believe in life, not in death. He will be creative, not destructive. His science, his art – all will serve creativity. He will not create bombs. He will not be political, because politics is out of hatred.

swamideva
02-12-2012, 09:40 PM
Thats true, but i believe as well that if we change ourselves first we will find more people that have changed around us, if we can change and people can see it/feel it it can hope open eyes.

100th monkey syndrome

Yes, Rupert Sheldrake and Morphic resonance i, totally agree

swamideva
02-12-2012, 09:42 PM
That right, i agree with that.... Which is why i don't understand so many people using the word FACT "its a scientific FACT" "FACTS show that"........what FACTS? based on a study conduct by someone you don't know? until you try for your self, see it in action how do you truly know that it is the truth? How do you know that outcomes aren't doctored by the very people we claim to be in control?

Read to educate and inspire - look, listen, travel and find out for yourself for facts.

Yes, again, personal, experience is the only reliable teacher.

matteria
02-12-2012, 10:20 PM
David Icke says the moon acts as a satelite designed to amplify the effects of Saturn, and that Saturn is a 'Dark Sun' presently overrun with reptilians. Saturn's rings are like super radio stations broadcasting a great deal of the reality here on Earth (and probably far-reaching other places), including mortality and the linear nature of time (i.e. everything that makes life 'unfair').
Now, David says he doesn't believe the 21st is going to be anything dramatic (other than something likely to be staged by the illumin-not-i.. seewhatidid?, i implied that they are not actually 'illuminated' as the name suggests) and that the Mayan calendar/Baktun cycles/different metallic ages/rash-hashana-kaliri-w/e/da/f are actually part of this illusory timeloop which is some kind of psycho-energetic trap which keeps us in a duality of good and bad, but I have to disagree.

It's not that I disbelieve that some of us are very much in this 'timeloop', just that I more strongly believe that something is going to happen in the period probably between 12-12-12 and 12-21-12 (I'll add to this in next paragraph) and it seems obvious to me why: If all the planets in our solar system are going to be re-aligned, and the Mayans decided that point in time to be the end of their calendar, then something is going to change about Saturn (the *time-planet*) and more than likely every other planet.
I think the real reason the 12/12/12-12/21/12 period is special isn't because it's the only time a change in consciousness is taking place, but that it's like a 'critical mass' of change; the time when all planets are most precisely aligned, and I think either during or shortly after that time everything that is clinging to the old fear paradigm will either be destroyed or otherwise fade from existence if it is incompatible with this change.


Although acutely ignorant the post poses some valid questions, whilst I wonder what the purpose is in asking a question without wanting an answer unless the objective is to waste the respondant's time.

There is a hint a few commenters might fathom the answer, but no one has [yet] provided a correct synopsis.

No, they have, you just didn't read it.


Betty Swallocks wrote:

The supposed ‘end’ of the Mayan calendar in 2012 has unleashed a flood of theories, speculations and predictions about global catastrophes and/or the possible beginning of a new age. All sorts of ‘shifts’ have been predicted: e.g. earth shift, axis shift, climate shift, intellectual shift, consciousness shift, evolutionary shift, cosmic shift, directional shift, phase shift, quantum shift, dimensional shift, and world-age shift.

The earth will exist for 4.32 billion years and we are just past the midpoint and are now commenced on the ascending arc...

If we make the grade...


There are no shortcuts to becoming truly human...

So in answer to your question 'what is going to happen in less than a month?' I say that will depend entirely on what you and other people do between now and then. Insofar as drastic earth changes, apocalyptic and other New Age or religious scenarios are concerned they are NOT going to happen.


more garbage





I think the real reason the 12/12/12-12/21/12 period is special isn't because it's the only time a change in consciousness is taking place, but that it's like a 'critical mass' of change;


Is there anything else besides consciousness? Everyone is talking about what will happen to the outer world, if its nothing, they will all have a good laugh. What if, with the focus of your attention on the outer, you miss whats happening, in your own inner reality.

0 sense.


You guys need to get over the fact that the American got the answer right again on this one and stop posting so much garbage. I'm still waiting for a single other person to pose an interpretation about the significance of a time when all the planets in our solar system are re-united, or reference a single study or theory by David Icke and expand upon it. It's Dec 2012 and high-time someone else did right by this forum imo.

cybersurf
03-12-2012, 01:48 AM
That right, i agree with that.... Which is why i don't understand so many people using the word FACT "its a scientific FACT" "FACTS show that"........what FACTS? based on a study conduct by someone you don't know? until you try for your self, see it in action how do you truly know that it is the truth? How do you know that outcomes aren't doctored by the very people we claim to be in control?

Read to educate and inspire - look, listen, travel and find out for yourself for facts.

Yes, I agree with that. Now, there were soo many withnesses and you can verify for yourself in libraries (because masonrry is a secret society) about the fact that the London Olympics depicted the destruction of the current society (burning pyre) to replace it with their own (reborn phoenix), in the story of the phoenix at the end of the ceremony. That is a fact, the picture below:

http://thedoggstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/olympic_phoenix.jpeg

cybersurf
03-12-2012, 01:52 AM
The next fact (fact not directly withnessed by many but demonstrated by researchers based on police records and whistleblowers) is the death of children in underground bases in the UK/USA and freemasonic festivities, children used for ritual abuse and the most important date near is 2012 winter solstice.

Nevertheless, people not knowing those "indirectly prooven" facts will keep on claiming that "nothing happens". They believe that because they don't see the sun burning, then nothing happens at the sun.

claydog
03-12-2012, 01:53 AM
Yes, I agree with that. Now, there were soo many withnesses and you can verify for yourself in libraries (because masonrry is a secret society) about the fact that the London Olympics depicted the destruction of the current society (burning pyre) to replace it with their own (reborn phoenix), in the story of the phoenix at the end of the ceremony. That is a fact, the picture below:

http://thedoggstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/olympic_phoenix.jpeg


This type of insanity will be used to lock the one's that don't take the cowards exit for life. and that means life.


21st December to 21st March will be a very illuminating time indeed, but the event has already happened and that was 11.11.11. They deliberateness of ending WWI on this date and time to vilify something very very ancient and sacred but all their vile efforts have failed and they are now aware of this..

mybrotherskeeper
03-12-2012, 04:20 AM
If controlling the world and its resources is considered failing then yes the illuminati have failed big time. There is no universal awakening, that which is dead spiritually can not be spiritually awakened in any positive sense.

dangermouse
03-12-2012, 04:58 AM
i think a lot of people will wake up on the 22nd with a serious hangover!:D

just like January 1st 2000. Didnt have much of a hangover tbh but then again i was only 19 at the time .. hooked up with a 30+yr old blonde in faux leather pants. lol .. Maybe i can get a repeat with the age reversed :P

dangermouse
03-12-2012, 05:01 AM
Yes, I agree with that. Now, there were soo many withnesses and you can verify for yourself in libraries (because masonrry is a secret society) about the fact that the London Olympics depicted the destruction of the current society (burning pyre) to replace it with their own (reborn phoenix), in the story of the phoenix at the end of the ceremony. That is a fact, the picture below:

http://thedoggstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/olympic_phoenix.jpeg

wow .. that's very masonic imagery

cybersurf
03-12-2012, 05:18 AM
Black Masonic paedophilia is also very masonic.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u5dluOeMrRQ/UJ4n1DONZiI/AAAAAAAAK1Y/h1d4w6Uef6I/s1600/Freemason%2Bpaedophile%2Bcoverup.jpg

dharmanation
03-12-2012, 06:32 AM
This is a very informative vid about 2012 from a completely Vedic and "Hindu" perspective. The speaker is a very respected Vedic teacher.

The Coming Golden Age - YouTube

steppewar
03-12-2012, 06:54 AM
I hope the doom happens. I'm always gutted when I wake up and realise I'm still on shithole Earth.

valens
03-12-2012, 07:55 AM
This is a very informative vid about 2012 from a completely Vedic and "Hindu" perspective. The speaker is a very respected Vedic teacher.

The Coming Golden Age - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSobds8p3iI)

I don't have time to watch this right now but is this based on Yukteswar Giri's calculations of a 25,000 year cycle? Because the traditional Hindu timing is a 432,000 year Kali-Yuga of which we are 5,100 years into.

stargategazer
03-12-2012, 09:20 AM
For me, the raising of my awareness and my waking up to who/what I truly am and the reality/purpose of the world on which we live, is in part, down to 21-12-12....it has helped to wake me up, to remember what my purpose here is. Once that date has passed, I will continue to TRY to be the change that I want to see (yes I know very cliche) and continue this wonderful journey wherever it may take me. I have read countless books, watched innumerable videos on this subject and will continue to do so as this is what now drives me. There are so many theories. Many speak of the Mayan end date being the entry point into the Age of Aquarius...a golden age. Others say that a new earth will be born where those who can ascend will move to, leaving the old earth behind with those who choose negativity to inhabit it. Maybe both or neither will be true. I now attempt each day to replace fear and anxiety in my life with hope and positivity and this is working for me and shapes my world, my experiences. It will not be everyones truth I am sure but it is for me. Interesting times.

edelweiss pirate
03-12-2012, 09:28 AM
I ask you, the intelligent, the irrational, the trolls, the shills, the government agents, the crazy, the irrational, the jokers, the provokers, the spirit invokers, the numerologists, the retarded, the enlightened, the frightened, what is going to happen in less than a month?

noddy holder ITS CHRISTMAS voice clip - YouTube

buriedindream
03-12-2012, 10:57 AM
I dont think anything will really take place over this period, i know some people believe there will be 3 days of darkness but i believe we are all already part of a spiritual awakening. 2012 seems to have kicked it off.

jackdaw
03-12-2012, 11:06 AM
What will happen in terms of doomsday on 21st December is outlined below:-











































;)

brainbubbler
03-12-2012, 08:55 PM
I hope the doom happens. I'm always gutted when I wake up and realise I'm still on shithole Earth.



I share your sentiments at times to be honest, as someone who's been around to see what is now six decades (albeit I was knee high to a grasshopper in the 60's and a mad teen in the 1970's LOL) I have to say that the world doesn't only go around in circles in the physical sense, the world is going around in circles in terms of the things that happen on it, the same things and more of those same things wearing different covers keep coming up, I remember seeing the news on TV in the 1970's and current affairs programs like 'World In Action' talking about the same sort of issues that are discussed in documentaries today, frankly, it's all going nowhere that I can see, oh, technology has moved on, sure it has, we have things now that could not have been dreamed of in the 60's and 70's but none of it is actually getting us anywhere in terms of human beings finding their wholeness, happiness and place in the universe, in fact, if anything, modern technology is getting us more lost I suspect, I would certainly welcome a new and better level of consciousness if it happened, I'd like nothing more but I can't see how or why it should happen on the 21st of this month anymore that it could have happened decades ago or decades from now, I need to see concrete evidence that something unique and significant will occur on this Mayan date that will bring about any form of an Apocalypse and so far I see nothing.

les_paul_robot
03-12-2012, 11:10 PM
Worry ye not!
For I shall protect you all from any solar flares with my wings of steel

cybersurf
07-12-2012, 05:03 AM
Don't say that the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death or anything like that please. I want honest opinions, now we are less than a month away from 'the end of the world'.

I don't know if the lizard people from the moon will aspartame us to death, but I think they will keep on eating human bodie... can you stop eating cow? or are you a vegetarian?

Turner was profoundly at variance with those who claimed we would see the alien abduction phenomenon as benign, if only we could understand it – but we were not capable of understanding it. The author spelled out in Taken what became her credo: "In spite of what some prominent abduction theorists tell us about avoiding thinking in terms of 'good and evil' or 'positive and negative' when it comes to the aliens, this cannot be done, nor should it be. For these women, for my husband and myself, for all abductees, knowing that we have been made a part of this agenda and that we have been implanted, trained, and programmed to participate in some future scenario, how can we not ask to what purpose our minds, bodies, and souls will be used?"

Turner entertained at least one comprehensive theory about why the alien abductions took place. At least one group, she suspected, the reptoids, needed to eat our bodies. Rice had provided her with a chilling account (similar to accounts in Taken) of an alien abduction during which reptoid aliens actually murdered the psychic (Rice watched this, as if disembodied, from a distance), then sucked the soul out of his body into a black box. In a short time, they re-released the soul back into a clone of his body, which they had manufactured apparently using organic materials reaped from cattle mutilations. Turner believed the reptoids then ate Rice's original body – and in general need to ingest human bodies – because it was saturated with the emotional and/or the soul vibrations of the human; the reptoids did not eat cloned bodies, she speculated, because they had not become imbued with soul/emotion substance in the course of living. (Turner also wondered if the oft-mentioned hybrids might not simply be organic fodder used to manufacture the bodies of the zombie-like, carefully-regimented 'greys.')

http://projectcamelot.org/turner.html

http://projectcamelot.org/karla_turner.jpg

stargategazer
07-12-2012, 11:24 AM
[QUOTE=jackdaw;1061173398]What will happen in terms of doomsday on 21st December is outlined below:-
lol :)

302bluefog
07-12-2012, 12:50 PM
I hope the doom happens. I'm always gutted when I wake up and realise I'm still on shithole Earth.

Depression must be taking it's toll on you, when you wake up on the 22nd and realize the doom did not happen maybe you should move to a new country or a more tropical part of the earth.

dolores1
07-12-2012, 01:03 PM
This is a very informative vid about 2012 from a completely Vedic and "Hindu" perspective. The speaker is a very respected Vedic teacher.

The Coming Golden Age - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSobds8p3iI)

Ta.
D.:)

302bluefog
07-12-2012, 02:44 PM
You see bluefog, we the undamned intuitively realize just how much better life could be on Earth, and how much better it is everywhere else but Earth.

I'm being honest due to climate and temperature the tropics or a warmer location can help someone with depression.

Cold weather can make people so sad they wan't to give up.

Sometimes I think Heaven and Hell can both be experienced hear on Earth.

macchoi
12-12-2012, 10:25 PM
Here are a few scenarios I think may happen on this special date:

1. The amnesia that we've been born with gets lifted, and we remember who we really are. We re-connect with our higher selves and consciousness, and we will continue on with our lives accordingly. As we remember who we really are, there's no shock, like "wtf happened?". Instead, it is like remembering a vague dream that we've forgotten, and finally, we do remember the dream. We will begin a new era of working for the community, rather than for the self because we will know that everyone and everything is connected, and that all actions, thoughts and feelings affect everything and everyone around us. Government BS propaganda will no longer affect us because we will see through the BS. In fact, this is happening already, but perhaps on December 21, 2012, it will happen on a much larger scale as we all acquire our dormant Jedi powers, and defeat the Dark Side.

2. A comet smashes into the Earth, killing most of us. Technology is of no use because electrical grids and such are no longer functional. We are forced to re-connect with nature. We learn to grow our own foods. We get involved with the healing/growing process of mother earth, which is how we should have been living all along.

3. A comet smashes into the Earth, killing most of us. Food, clothing shelter and supplies become scarce, and people go into survival mode. They loot, and begin killing each other to claim their food and supplies. People begin to form groups. The groups proceed to kill each other for dibs on food and supplies, and other stuff. The strongest groups survive. It is a barbaric reality. We will become The Walking Dead.

4. Nothing. We will continue to be stupid, and TPTB will continue to make us stupider.


I find it strange how many psychics, fortune tellers, clairvoyants, etc, cannot see beyond the date December 21, 2012. Perhaps this is because by that time, time itself will cease to exist.

What do you think will happen?

Dude111
13-12-2012, 10:32 AM
Yes it IS strange.... MAYBE THEY DONT WANT TO REVEAL THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT ARE COMING??

zephirop
13-12-2012, 10:38 AM
Here are a few scenarios I think may happen on this special date:

1. The amnesia that we've been born with gets lifted, and we remember who we really are. We re-connect with our higher selves and consciousness, and we will continue on with our lives accordingly. As we remember who we really are, there's no shock, like "wtf happened?". Instead, it is like remembering a vague dream that we've forgotten, and finally, we do remember the dream. We will begin a new era of working for the community, rather than for the self because we will know that everyone and everything is connected, and that all actions, thoughts and feelings affect everything and everyone around us. Government BS propaganda will no longer affect us because we will see through the BS. In fact, this is happening already, but perhaps on December 21, 2012, it will happen on a much larger scale as we all acquire our dormant Jedi powers, and defeat the Dark Side.

2. A comet smashes into the Earth, killing most of us. Technology is of no use because electrical grids and such are no longer functional. We are forced to re-connect with nature. We learn to grow our own foods. We get involved with the healing/growing process of mother earth, which is how we should have been living all along.

3. A comet smashes into the Earth, killing most of us. Food, clothing shelter and supplies become scarce, and people go into survival mode. They loot, and begin killing each other to claim their food and supplies. People begin to form groups. The groups proceed to kill each other for dibs on food and supplies, and other stuff. The strongest groups survive. It is a barbaric reality. We will become The Walking Dead.

4. Nothing. We will continue to be stupid, and TPTB will continue to make us stupider.


I find it strange how many psychics, fortune tellers, clairvoyants, etc, cannot see beyond the date December 21, 2012. Perhaps this is because by that time, time itself will cease to exist.

What do you think will happen?

Alternatively they are all frauds and are adhering to their peer enforced deception.

I...surprisingly, think 4 will happen, 1 would be nice though.

tink123
13-12-2012, 10:42 AM
I have listened to what the Mayans say and I think there is that opportunity on a spiritual level to know and a few will know and find out the truth as for the real world....I think nothing will happen physically so people will laugh it off but...

I wonder if behind the scenes its a trigger date to set off the final phase of the NWO agenda....we won't see it ...manifest itself for another year or two. BUt

i seriously think they are using the Bible as a hook....they will crash this economy the world will go into chaos and people will starv and just as revelations say the coming again..ie Religion will step in as the saviour of the people and suggest a NWO where we all work together as one..but to do that we need to accept a new credit/chip system so everyone is the same and its fair....and the sheep who believe in the Bible and vatacan will fall for all this rubbish and go in their masses to accept it.

The there will be a group of people like us...that won't and the masses will turn on us and grass us up etc....and maybe then....we as a race will finally get the truth revealed to us....But I think a very nasty time is coming first.....all the signals are there in front of us they are just pulling the final bits into place!

Remember they will make sure they are ok first...before doing anything! x

manxboz
13-12-2012, 11:01 AM
Or they are all trying to cash in.

Also it isn't all, there are many who predict past it.

chadwick
13-12-2012, 12:59 PM
8 days left peeeps...shit well i can tell u that it is indeeed the end folks..end of civilization and a new beginning of an ultra age of brutalization..which i welcome as i view every idiot born uplifts the progressive evolution towards the greater human model. cities will become refugee landfills and the price of beer will be greater gold..hold on to ur machetes and love the little birdies...all u see is time well spent fuct. :)

bryant
13-12-2012, 01:19 PM
Nothing will happen. I guarantee you that. N-O-T-H-I-N-G

But people wont learn the lesson, and will keep having faith in this "everything will change" kind of predictions.

The real change will happen when each of us (me included) starts looking in the mirror and says: "what the fuck am I doing wrong with my life", and actually make a real change.

squishy ball
13-12-2012, 01:32 PM
Nothing will happen. I guarantee you that. N-O-T-H-I-N-G

But people wont learn the lesson, and will keep having faith in this "everything will change" kind of predictions.

The real change will happen when each of us (me included) starts looking in the mirror and says: "what the fuck am I doing wrong with my life", and actually make a real change.

The only thing that will happen is that a new date will be set.

It will end up like Alex Jones and his failed WW3 predictions.


"Iran attack in 2 weeks, this is state of emergency, Iran attack in 2 weeks"

2 weeks later, new date

pyrrhonist
13-12-2012, 01:33 PM
Nothing major will happen, but if we're lucky there might be some mass suicides to give the rest of us a good laugh

zephirop
13-12-2012, 01:35 PM
Nothing major will happen, but if we're lucky there might be some mass suicides to give the rest of us a good laugh

Ghoulish. :(

pyrrhonist
13-12-2012, 01:58 PM
Ghoulish. :(

Hey, what happens happens, it won't help anything if I add more negative energy to the world by crying about it

302bluefog
13-12-2012, 01:59 PM
Here are a few scenarios I think may happen on this special date:

1. The amnesia that we've been born with gets lifted, and we remember who we really are. We re-connect with our higher selves and consciousness, and we will continue on with our lives accordingly. As we remember who we really are, there's no shock, like "wtf happened?". Instead, it is like remembering a vague dream that we've forgotten, and finally, we do remember the dream. We will begin a new era of working for the community, rather than for the self because we will know that everyone and everything is connected, and that all actions, thoughts and feelings affect everything and everyone around us. Government BS propaganda will no longer affect us because we will see through the BS. In fact, this is happening already, but perhaps on December 21, 2012, it will happen on a much larger scale as we all acquire our dormant Jedi powers, and defeat the Dark Side.

2. A comet smashes into the Earth, killing most of us. Technology is of no use because electrical grids and such are no longer functional. We are forced to re-connect with nature. We learn to grow our own foods. We get involved with the healing/growing process of mother earth, which is how we should have been living all along.

3. A comet smashes into the Earth, killing most of us. Food, clothing shelter and supplies become scarce, and people go into survival mode. They loot, and begin killing each other to claim their food and supplies. People begin to form groups. The groups proceed to kill each other for dibs on food and supplies, and other stuff. The strongest groups survive. It is a barbaric reality. We will become The Walking Dead.

4. Nothing. We will continue to be stupid, and TPTB will continue to make us stupider.


I find it strange how many psychics, fortune tellers, clairvoyants, etc, cannot see beyond the date December 21, 2012. Perhaps this is because by that time, time itself will cease to exist.

What do you think will happen?

5. People will take all these conspiracy theories less serious than they already do.

Rich people will still keep passing wealth down so their kids can have a high quality of life.

Poor people will still suffer from the depression that goes along with low quality of life.

I will come back and bump this thread on the 22nd in hope that i'm wrong.

thisismyusername
13-12-2012, 04:01 PM
Three days of darkness, massive polar shift occurs in one day, dropping temperatures to -60 degrees or lower. No power because of this pole shift and China will set off a major EMP that day, coinciding with a major solar flare so no one can tell the difference. Gravity will not be present for a total of 8 minutes, as our magnetic shields completely fail, and a massive hole opens up in our atmosphere. Millions if not billions die, are you ready??? Click here to buy survival gear!!!


Lol, that's all the doomdayers say, then they try to sell you their Shit. Where is the hardcore evidence that something will happen...? Then again, where is the hardcore evidence that it won't??? I guess we will just have to wait and see...

mmac900
13-12-2012, 04:28 PM
Earth will be split into 2 and enlightened people will go to the better earth:)

Dolores Cannon speaks about 2012 - 3 Magic Words Movie - YouTube

thisismyusername
13-12-2012, 04:37 PM
Oh here we go... ya I forgot to mention that one, the dimensional shift..... this is just a cop out for when nothing happens they will say "if you did not shift on the 21st, we are sorry, you will be stuck on the old earth... for everyone who has raised their frequency congratulations and welcome home"...

All bullshit

mmac900
13-12-2012, 04:40 PM
Oh here we go... ya I forgot to mention that one, the dimensional shift..... this is just a cop out for when nothing happens they will say "if you did not shift on the 21st, we are sorry, you will be stuck on the old earth... for everyone who has raised their frequency congratulations and welcome home"...

All bullshit

Another ignorant post, but that is ok, because you are not ready to ascend into the beautiful new earth, that is not bad, it just means you are not ready.

If watch any of Dolores Cannon's videos at all, she did not predict anything, she had people tell her through hypnosis what will happen, thousands of unrelated people saying the same thing. Also, its not 21st or nothing. Time is an illusion, only we humans created a way of measuring something that doesnt exist. This might happen on the 21st, but it may be a few months after that.

Also, something will happen because the people who have ascended will die in this world, so you will notice.

thisismyusername
13-12-2012, 05:07 PM
Another ignorant post, but that is ok, because you are not ready to ascend into the beautiful new earth, that is not bad, it just means you are not ready.

If watch any of Dolores Cannon's videos at all, she did not predict anything, she had people tell her through hypnosis what will happen, thousands of unrelated people saying the same thing. Also, its not 21st or nothing. Time is an illusion, only we humans created a way of measuring something that doesnt exist. This might happen on the 21st, but it may be a few months after that.

Also, something will happen because the people who have ascended will die in this world, so you will notice.

It's not an ignorant post, and i am sorry that you believe in such garbage.

On a side note, this video is pretty interesting:

ScienceCasts: Why the World Didn't End Yesterday - YouTube

Why did NASA release this video so early?? Maybe they are not so confident after all..

mindless
13-12-2012, 05:14 PM
Alternatively they are all frauds and are adhering to their peer enforced deception.

I...surprisingly, think 4 will happen, 1 would be nice though.

mckenna said we will not know until the last 6 days......

:eek:timewave-zero:eek:

irrepressible
13-12-2012, 05:27 PM
Earth will be split into 2 and enlightened people will go to the better earth:)

Dolores Cannon speaks about 2012 - 3 Magic Words Movie - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUmHxCDAuS8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

And who are the enlightened people? What boxes need to be ticked in order to pass the enlightened test?
And don't answer with "if you have to ask the questions, then you're not enlightened" :rolleyes: :D

I would like your actual opinion, a proper answer to my questions :)

mmac900
13-12-2012, 06:13 PM
And who are the enlightened people? What boxes need to be ticked in order to pass the enlightened test?
And don't answer with "if you have to ask the questions, then you're not enlightened" :rolleyes: :D

I would like your actual opinion, a proper answer to my questions :)

Thing is, I really dont care if anyone here believes this or not because it does not impact my ascension in the slightest, therefore you are welcome to watch some dolores cannon vids, otherwise if you dont believe than just move on:)

thisismyusername
13-12-2012, 06:20 PM
Thing is, I really dont care if anyone here believes this or not because it does not impact my ascension in the slightest, therefore you are welcome to watch some dolores cannon vids, otherwise if you dont believe than just move on:)

That's your answer??? It's not that we don't believe you, but maybe you could enlighten us on your beliefs...

irrepressible
13-12-2012, 06:20 PM
:D

amsy
13-12-2012, 06:38 PM
Thing is, I really dont care if anyone here believes this or not because it does not impact my ascension in the slightest, therefore you are welcome to watch some dolores cannon vids, otherwise if you dont believe than just move on:)

And what makes you so sure you are so enlightened to ascend? You sound like such an arrogant jerk.

bemore
13-12-2012, 06:50 PM
Look at how conspiracy has evolved over the last ten years because of the internet. Its not about what you believe, its the fact your asking questions!!!!

So nothing will probably happen @11:11am 21st December 2012, the next ten years will be interesting....especially watching the generations who have grown up in this.

lesactive
13-12-2012, 06:52 PM
Gravity will not be present for a total of 8 minutes, as our magnetic shields completely fail, and a massive hole opens up in our atmosphere.

Awesome! So those who are Earth bound will choose to live in this plane by anchoring themselves and those who wish to 'ascend' through to the next plane will need but a tiny bounce toward the hole. Better suit up.

skoda_105
13-12-2012, 06:56 PM
I think NOTHING will happen. Only thing that will happen is me being on a brony-meetup and me laughing at half the world believing that the world will end 21st Dec.

:rolleyes:

302bluefog
13-12-2012, 06:56 PM
Thing is, I really dont care if anyone here believes this or not because it does not impact my ascension in the slightest, therefore you are welcome to watch some dolores cannon vids, otherwise if you dont believe than just move on:)

Oh, I was not aware there would be any ascension for people who don't care...

302bluefog
13-12-2012, 07:00 PM
Awesome! So those who are Earth bound will choose to live in this plane by anchoring themselves and those who wish to 'ascend' through to the next plane will need but a tiny bounce toward the hole. Better suit up.

well better get a trampoline before they are all sold out...:D

mybrotherskeeper
13-12-2012, 07:08 PM
Nothing will happen. I guarantee you that. N-O-T-H-I-N-G

But people wont learn the lesson, and will keep having faith in this "everything will change" kind of predictions.

The real change will happen when each of us (me included) starts looking in the mirror and says: "what the fuck am I doing wrong with my life", and actually make a real change.

You nailed it my friend! Nothing will change on that date on a collective awakening level. We must awaken ourselves first and then each of us in our own way try to help others awaken themselves and ask ourselves 'What am I doing to make the world a better place?'

mmac900
13-12-2012, 09:12 PM
And what makes you so sure you are so enlightened to ascend? You sound like such an arrogant jerk.

Now thats just rude!

I guess I used the wrong word, english is not my first language. What Dolores said is that people who are interested in more than just materialism and everyday crap that doesnt matter are a lot more likely to ascend than those that dont. The process of ascension takes a long time because our bodies have to switch to another frequency, otherwise we would not be able to handle it. The process has started in 2003 apparently. If you are receptive to ideas that we have had past lives, some not even on earth, and that there is a source of infinite love out there that we are all part of, then you will probablly ascend because unsonsciouslly your vibrations already match the necessary ones to go into the new earth. Everyone who doesnt match those vibrations will stay on this earth, which will only get worse and worse until it implodes itself, but your souls will just go back to the source so dont worry.

thisismyusername
13-12-2012, 09:18 PM
Sooooo what are you going to do if nothing happens, and if you do not ascend??

fairyprincess
13-12-2012, 09:55 PM
First off, nothing is going to happen. Fact....

But what I would like to see happen is a "softening" of reality where anyone open to the idea can minipulate it on a small level.

Not gonna happen though.

whatsinaname
13-12-2012, 10:04 PM
First off, nothing is going to happen. Fact....

But what I would like to see happen is a "softening" of reality where anyone open to the idea can minipulate it on a small level.

Not gonna happen though.

Regarding the bolded part, do you think your opening and closing comments match that?

If that's what you'd like to see happen, make that what you think will happen.
Even if you don't believe you create your own reality, what's the harm in pretending you do?

creativespirit
13-12-2012, 10:20 PM
The only thing I'd like to know about this weird time period is when will time stop passing by so quickly? It's insane. I heard even children saying how quickly hours, days and weeks are running out. I'd like some time..to do something. I mean, days are too short and I'm starting to believe to some theories I've heard about that. I rememebr what it means to be busy and experience some things going faster, but it's different really.

I'd appreciate if anyone could give me any explanation for this.

macchoi
13-12-2012, 10:23 PM
Another hypothesis I have, and something I've posted in another thread a long time ago:

Perhaps all of these doomsday events really DID happen! and we're all in limbo, continuing our past lives in a shared dream that resembles the memories of the lives we had before we died.

Those who's consciousness/spirituality were high enough when they died, may have ascended to a higher dimension/planet/etc, while the others are stuck in limbo. Each doomsday event brings another chance of ascension.

Those who have ascended previously, still exist on this plane of reality with us (limbo), but simultaneously live on different frequencies as well.

This could explain why all of these doomsday events seem to not have happened. It is because they DID HAPPEN, and we're all dead without realizing it, living in a dream world... sharing a nightmare we can't seem to wake up from... a nightmare in which most of us do not even realize is just a dream.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

whatsinaname
13-12-2012, 10:31 PM
The only thing I'd like to know about this weird time period is when will time stop passing by so quickly? It's insane. I heard even children saying how quickly hours, days and weeks are running out. I'd like some time..to do something. I mean, days are too short and I'm starting to believe to some theories I've heard about that. I rememebr what it means to be busy and experience some things going faster, but it's different really.

I'd appreciate if anyone could give me any explanation for this.

I've been driving people mad about this for the last two weeks.

Every day i've been complaining about literally not having time to do anything!

I've even started getting up earlier, just to make the day last longer.:eek:

tink123
13-12-2012, 10:41 PM
Well I thought it interesting the EU Gender Derective comes into place that day..they day of change and so called new beginnings I thought that was excellent timing...check all your insurances especially your wives and girlfriends because from that date we are all equal!!!...lucky us! x

bryant
14-12-2012, 12:45 AM
Now thats just rude!

I guess I used the wrong word, english is not my first language. What Dolores said is that people who are interested in more than just materialism and everyday crap that doesnt matter are a lot more likely to ascend than those that dont. The process of ascension takes a long time because our bodies have to switch to another frequency, otherwise we would not be able to handle it. The process has started in 2003 apparently. If you are receptive to ideas that we have had past lives, some not even on earth, and that there is a source of infinite love out there that we are all part of, then you will probablly ascend because unsonsciouslly your vibrations already match the necessary ones to go into the new earth. Everyone who doesnt match those vibrations will stay on this earth, which will only get worse and worse until it implodes itself, but your souls will just go back to the source so dont worry.

How much money does this process cost?

earthwalkr
14-12-2012, 01:51 AM
There is NO ascension.
None of you are judged to be ready or not ready.
The Darksiders like to judge.

There is an end date built in to the Game.
I don't even know it. No one here does.
But it has the Darksiders scrambling to DO SOMETHING,
like an Armageddon scenario.

The dark, spiraling-downward movement of our planet and the conditions here in are indicators that if this all continues much longer, we are in deep, doggy, doo-doo!

Between the Mayans ans the Ecclesiastical Deed Poll, we are led to believe in that exact date. But that is what the Darksiders like. Having humanity focus on a specific date, in order to carry out their plan (s).

Having more awareness helps.
The only answer is to open your heart and feel and see through that. That is the only accurate gauge. :D

swamideva
14-12-2012, 01:52 AM
I find it strange how many psychics, fortune tellers, clairvoyants, etc, cannot see beyond the date December 21, 2012. Perhaps this is because by that time, time itself will cease to exist.

What do you think will happen?

If you try to understand some of what i am going to say with your mind which is the filter for 3D reality it wont happen. You will need to take a deep breath, and listen to the information with your heart center. The heart is the filter for multidimensional reality. If you try to understand the heart center with your mind, that wont work either, the language of the heart is not understood by the mind. Just take a deep breath, be in your heart and take it from there.

1. The past, present and future are all parts of the eternal now. All that exists is this now moment. It is always this now moment, not a string of miniscule moments strung together, that are gone before i can grasp them. That is just a trick of the mind and the illusion of time. It is always now. Now is all there is.

2. The future, has unlimited possibilities, dependent upon my free will, my choices. But if my mind is fixed into a limited belief system, e.g. Same job for life, no life on other planets, no life after death, watch the media and believe it, etc. Or a fixed religious belief system, that allows no deviation from scripture.("this is the only true way, all other beliefs are wrong"). Then there is a high probability of accurately predicting my future. Though If i am flexible, open minded, take chances, think outside the box, willing to experiment and change with the latest innovations and concepts, admit when i am wrong. Only general trends may be anticipated.

3. Astrology and other predictive disciplines, can only forecast a high probability of something happening. Much the same as statistics, there are always unseen variables which cannot be accounted for. Astrology and statistical research are very similar. Astrology predicts according to angular relationships, between planets, (energies), but it is not fixed, an individual can change their horoscope with free will. Statistics use past trends to predict probable future outcomes. The future can only be accurately predicted if no major unforeseen changes occur.

4. Nostradamus, and many other prophecies are converging at this time. Those prophecies were made at times in our past, as warnings about this time now. They were based on the probable outcome if humanity did not change; what would happen if we didn't wake up. We were headed for doom massive earth changes, apocalyptic wars, weather patterns much worse than what is happening now were being predicted.. Many prophecies did not come to pass, because we changed the time line.

5. The past, present and future are all happening simultaneously. Higher dimensional beings experience this, and exist outside of time as we know it, using time as a sort of marker. (take a breath)

6. I am a multidimensional being, here to experience a 3D reality, and experience individuality with the the illusion of being disconnected from source.

7. When i am confronted with a choice and i make a decision, e.g. to maintain the status quo or move my life into a different direction. I split into two, a part of me stays the same, and another part moves onto a different time line. So as to experience the outcomes of both time lines.

8. It is possible to change the future and the past. As i change my present self, i effect all my past and future selves. (another breath)

9. This is an experiment, a 3D game. I came here (3D) to forget all that is, to see if i could get out again. It has been a game of devolution and evolution. I am now on the way back to 5D, along with planet Earth. This is the third attempt at ascension, the previous two failed. This is the first time a planet and its inhabitants ascend together. If this experiment succeeds is yet to be seen.

10. Since "The Harmonic Convergence" in august 1987, our solar system has been receiving higher frequency photonic energies, this energy is known as the photon band. We have been moving in and out of these photons for the last 25 years. Each year spending more time in this band of photon energy. Until in December 2012 we will be fully immersed in this energy.

11. Since 1987, many individuals on earth have been working with this energy. Consciously channeling it to heal themselves, others and the planet. Using it to wake up to higher levels of spiritual knowledge and understanding (e.g. karma is now an everyday word). They have been called amongst other things "light workers" (a photon is a quantum of light). This photonic electromagnetic energy has been and is, literally filling us up with light. It is waking us up, to higher spiritual possibilities. In effect, evolving and changing us.

12. These light workers and others (The Bird Tribes, to name one), incarnated at this time to awaken first. Their job being very difficult, they were the harbingers of the awakening. They cut a path through the darkness, the rest of us could follow. As each new person walked the path, the way became easier for those who followed. They knew of the hundredth monkey, and that 144,000 awakened souls would be the threshold needed to send a wave of spirituality across the planet. That threshold was reached a while ago.

13. The future, well thats up to you. Time will only end if that is your choice. The paths are separating, if you choose 3D, you will stay in time, if you choose 5D it will end. It is your choice you have that power. We are all masters of our own destiny.

I leave it up to your intuition, if you choose to believe this post or not. Personally, it resonates for me, i like the story. Though when all said and done, i don't know anything. How can i know anything. Why should i know anything, when truth is just being, it just is. This information came to me, that does not mean its true, i would like it to be.

In NLP there is a maxim, "everything is a lie, so choose which lie you want to believe."

For further information, use your search engine, or check out The 9th dimensional Pleiadian Collective.

swamideva
14-12-2012, 01:54 AM
How much money does this process cost?

Everything you got, and more.

rastamasta
14-12-2012, 01:58 AM
What do you think will happen?


This, though I do hope I'm wrong.


Nothing. We will continue to be stupid, and TPTB will continue to make us stupider.

swamideva
14-12-2012, 02:18 AM
The only thing I'd like to know about this weird time period is when will time stop passing by so quickly? It's insane. I heard even children saying how quickly hours, days and weeks are running out. I'd like some time..to do something. I mean, days are too short and I'm starting to believe to some theories I've heard about that. I rememebr what it means to be busy and experience some things going faster, but it's different really.

I'd appreciate if anyone could give me any explanation for this.

Higher frequency energies vibrate faster than the lower, everything is quickening including time.

Its mentioned in the bible and many other prophesies.

matthew 24:22, If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

bryant
14-12-2012, 02:27 AM
Everything you got, and more.

Well, better hurry up then.

Cause the government is already taking me the few things I got.

swamideva
14-12-2012, 02:51 AM
If you try to understand some of what i am going to say with your mind which is the filter for 3D reality it wont happen. You will need to take a deep breath, and listen to the information with your heart center. The heart is the filter for multidimensional reality. If you try to understand the heart center with your mind, that wont work either, the language of the heart is not understood by the mind. Just take a deep breath, be in your heart and take it from there.

1. The past, present and future are all parts of the eternal now. All that exists is this now moment. It is always this now moment, not a string of miniscule moments strung together, that are gone before i can grasp them. That is just a trick of the mind and the illusion of time. It is always now. Now is all there is.

2. The future, has unlimited possibilities, dependent upon my free will, my choices. But if my mind is fixed into a limited belief system, e.g. Same job for life, no life on other planets, no life after death, watch the media and believe it, etc. Or a fixed religious belief system, that allows no deviation from scripture.("this is the only true way, all other beliefs are wrong"). Then there is a high probability of accurately predicting my future. Though If i am flexible, open minded, take chances, think outside the box, willing to experiment and change with the latest innovations and concepts, admit when i am wrong. Only general trends may be anticipated.

3. Astrology and other predictive disciplines, can only forecast a high probability of something happening. Much the same as statistics, there are always unseen variables which cannot be accounted for. Astrology and statistical research are very similar. Astrology predicts according to angular relationships, between planets, (energies), but it is not fixed, an individual can change their horoscope with free will. Statistics use past trends to predict probable future outcomes. The future can only be accurately predicted if no major unforeseen changes occur.

4. Nostradamus, and many other prophecies are converging at this time. Those prophecies were made at times in our past, as warnings about this time now. They were based on the probable outcome if humanity did not change; what would happen if we didn't wake up. We were headed for doom massive earth changes, apocalyptic wars, weather patterns much worse than what is happening now were being predicted.. Many prophecies did not come to pass, because we changed the time line. (take a breath)

5. The past, present and future are all happening simultaneously. Higher dimensional beings experience this, and exist outside of time as we know it, using time as a sort of marker. (take a breath)

6. I am a multidimensional being, here to experience a 3D reality, and experience individuality with the the illusion of being disconnected from source.

7. When i am confronted with a choice and i make a decision, e.g. to maintain the status quo or move my life into a different direction. I split into two, a part of me stays the same, and another part moves onto a different time line. So as to experience the outcomes of both time lines.

8. It is possible to change the future and the past. As i change my present self, i effect all my past and future selves. (another breath)

9. This is an experiment, a 3D game. I came here (3D) to forget all that is, to see if i could get out again. It has been a game of devolution and evolution. I am now on the way back to 5D, along with planet Earth. This is the third attempt at ascension, the previous two failed. This is the first time a planet and its inhabitants ascend together. If this experiment succeeds is yet to be seen.

10. Since "The Harmonic Convergence" in august 1987, our solar system has been receiving higher frequency photonic energies, this energy is known as the photon band. We have been moving in and out of these photons for the last 25 years. Each year spending more time in this band of photon energy. Until in December 2012 we will be fully immersed in this energy.

11. Since 1987, many individuals on earth have been working with this energy. Consciously channeling it to heal themselves, others and the planet. Using it to wake up to higher levels of spiritual knowledge and understanding (e.g. karma is now an everyday word). They have been called amongst other things "light workers" (a photon is a quantum of light). This photonic electromagnetic energy has been and is, literally filling us up with light. It is waking us up, to higher spiritual possibilities. In effect, evolving and changing us.

12. These light workers and others (The Bird Tribes, to name one), incarnated at this time to awaken first. Their job being very difficult, they were the harbingers of the awakening. They cut a path through the darkness, the rest of us could follow. As each new person walked the path, the way became easier for those who followed. They knew of the hundredth monkey, and that 144,000 awakened souls would be the threshold needed to send a wave of spirituality across the planet. That threshold was reached a while ago.

13. The future, well thats up to you. Time will only end if that is your choice. The paths are separating, if you choose 3D, you will stay in time, if you choose 5D it will end. It is your choice you have that power. We are all masters of our own destiny.

I leave it up to your intuition, if you choose to believe this post or not. Personally, it resonates for me, i like the story. Though when all said and done, i don't know anything. How can i know anything. Why should i know anything, when truth is just being, it just is. This information came to me, that does not mean its true, i would like it to be.

In NLP there is a maxim, "everything is a lie, so choose which lie you want to believe."

For further information, use your search engine, or check out The 9th dimensional Pleiadian Collective.

It will be fun watching all you skeptics jump all over this one. Go for it debunkerman.:cool:

creativespirit
14-12-2012, 02:55 AM
Higher frequency energies vibrate faster than the lower, everything is quickening including time.

Its mentioned in the bible and many other prophesies.

matthew 24:22, If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

Thank you. Does that mean that I experience time quickening because I am at the lower vibration at this moment? Or is it usual process before ascension of all humanity?

What does it mean to be at higher vibrations and what sort of changes in my life should I have to achieve such state?

steppewar
14-12-2012, 04:14 AM
Looks like Nibiru's started chucking meteors at us ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lU5JItJCLA8

swamideva
14-12-2012, 07:49 AM
Thank you. Does that mean that I experience time quickening because I am at the lower vibration at this moment? Or is it usual process before ascension of all humanity?

What does it mean to be at higher vibrations and what sort of changes in my life should I have to achieve such state?

The day is actually shorter than it was. I have heard its down to 12 hours.Time is relative, when your bored it goes slow, and having a good time it goes fast.

I would say it is usual process before ascension, but dont quote me on that.

Depression is a low sluggish vibration, happiness is a higher vibe. So to raise your vibration think of something that makes you smile. Best is an animal,a pet or a place, people are not so good there might be some negativity around relationships. A baby animal, will bring about the desired response and open the heart. Its that easy.

Maybe some meditation as well, visualize breathing in a golden light through the top of your head and into your heart on the in breath, and radiating it out to the rest of your body on the out breath. Fill up your body with golden light.

Get out of the head and into your heart. Thinking is not so important as being. Watch your breath, either at your nose or your belly, you can do this or think, you can't do both at the same time. You can do this anywhere, eyes open or closed. Practice not thinking, and let that inner glow come from your heart.

This will also help
(FULL FILM) ~ The Ceremony of Original Innocence ~ 2012 Stargate Celestial Alignment - YouTube

Heres a thread i wrote in a similar vein

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230355

Stay away from negativity, stop watching the news or reading newspapers.
Even on this forum avoid the negativity.
If you understand how the NWO work, the pyramid method of control, and their agencies, CFR, Bilderburg etc. You are no longer part of the problem you are part of the solution. So why concern your self with details.

Lets find a way to do the no comply dance.

Lets start laughing and dancing in the streets. That should get some attention.

wazaaap
14-12-2012, 09:12 AM
If you try to understand some of what i am going to say with your mind which is the filter for 3D reality it wont happen. You will need to take a deep breath, and listen to the information with your heart center. The heart is the filter for multidimensional reality. If you try to understand the heart center with your mind, that wont work either, the language of the heart is not understood by the mind. Just take a deep breath, be in your heart and take it from there.

1. The past, present and future are all parts of the eternal now. All that exists is this now moment. It is always this now moment, not a string of miniscule moments strung together, that are gone before i can grasp them. That is just a trick of the mind and the illusion of time. It is always now. Now is all there is.

2. The future, has unlimited possibilities, dependent upon my free will, my choices. But if my mind is fixed into a limited belief system, e.g. Same job for life, no life on other planets, no life after death, watch the media and believe it, etc. Or a fixed religious belief system, that allows no deviation from scripture.("this is the only true way, all other beliefs are wrong"). Then there is a high probability of accurately predicting my future. Though If i am flexible, open minded, take chances, think outside the box, willing to experiment and change with the latest innovations and concepts, admit when i am wrong. Only general trends may be anticipated.

3. Astrology and other predictive disciplines, can only forecast a high probability of something happening. Much the same as statistics, there are always unseen variables which cannot be accounted for. Astrology and statistical research are very similar. Astrology predicts according to angular relationships, between planets, (energies), but it is not fixed, an individual can change their horoscope with free will. Statistics use past trends to predict probable future outcomes. The future can only be accurately predicted if no major unforeseen changes occur.

4. Nostradamus, and many other prophecies are converging at this time. Those prophecies were made at times in our past, as warnings about this time now. They were based on the probable outcome if humanity did not change; what would happen if we didn't wake up. We were headed for doom massive earth changes, apocalyptic wars, weather patterns much worse than what is happening now were being predicted.. Many prophecies did not come to pass, because we changed the time line. (take a breath)

5. The past, present and future are all happening simultaneously. Higher dimensional beings experience this, and exist outside of time as we know it, using time as a sort of marker. (take a breath)

6. I am a multidimensional being, here to experience a 3D reality, and experience individuality with the the illusion of being disconnected from source.

7. When i am confronted with a choice and i make a decision, e.g. to maintain the status quo or move my life into a different direction. I split into two, a part of me stays the same, and another part moves onto a different time line. So as to experience the outcomes of both time lines.

8. It is possible to change the future and the past. As i change my present self, i effect all my past and future selves. (another breath)

9. This is an experiment, a 3D game. I came here (3D) to forget all that is, to see if i could get out again. It has been a game of devolution and evolution. I am now on the way back to 5D, along with planet Earth. This is the third attempt at ascension, the previous two failed. This is the first time a planet and its inhabitants ascend together. If this experiment succeeds is yet to be seen.

10. Since "The Harmonic Convergence" in august 1987, our solar system has been receiving higher frequency photonic energies, this energy is known as the photon band. We have been moving in and out of these photons for the last 25 years. Each year spending more time in this band of photon energy. Until in December 2012 we will be fully immersed in this energy.

11. Since 1987, many individuals on earth have been working with this energy. Consciously channeling it to heal themselves, others and the planet. Using it to wake up to higher levels of spiritual knowledge and understanding (e.g. karma is now an everyday word). They have been called amongst other things "light workers" (a photon is a quantum of light). This photonic electromagnetic energy has been and is, literally filling us up with light. It is waking us up, to higher spiritual possibilities. In effect, evolving and changing us.

12. These light workers and others (The Bird Tribes, to name one), incarnated at this time to awaken first. Their job being very difficult, they were the harbingers of the awakening. They cut a path through the darkness, the rest of us could follow. As each new person walked the path, the way became easier for those who followed. They knew of the hundredth monkey, and that 144,000 awakened souls would be the threshold needed to send a wave of spirituality across the planet. That threshold was reached a while ago.

13. The future, well thats up to you. Time will only end if that is your choice. The paths are separating, if you choose 3D, you will stay in time, if you choose 5D it will end. It is your choice you have that power. We are all masters of our own destiny.

I leave it up to your intuition, if you choose to believe this post or not. Personally, it resonates for me, i like the story. Though when all said and done, i don't know anything. How can i know anything. Why should i know anything, when truth is just being, it just is. This information came to me, that does not mean its true, i would like it to be.

In NLP there is a maxim, "everything is a lie, so choose which lie you want to believe."

For further information, use your search engine, or check out The 9th dimensional Pleiadian Collective.

It will be fun watching all you skeptics jump all over this one. Go for it debunkerman.:cool:

Great post, and the main reason why i still come to this forum!

Thanks Friend!

thommo
14-12-2012, 09:19 AM
If you try to understand some of what i am going to say with your mind which is the filter for 3D reality it wont happen. You will need to take a deep breath, and listen to the information with your heart center. The heart is the filter for multidimensional reality. If you try to understand the heart center with your mind, that wont work either, the language of the heart is not understood by the mind. Just take a deep breath, be in your heart and take it from there.

1. The past, present and future are all parts of the eternal now. All that exists is this now moment. It is always this now moment, not a string of miniscule moments strung together, that are gone before i can grasp them. That is just a trick of the mind and the illusion of time. It is always now. Now is all there is.

2. The future, has unlimited possibilities, dependent upon my free will, my choices. But if my mind is fixed into a limited belief system, e.g. Same job for life, no life on other planets, no life after death, watch the media and believe it, etc. Or a fixed religious belief system, that allows no deviation from scripture.("this is the only true way, all other beliefs are wrong"). Then there is a high probability of accurately predicting my future. Though If i am flexible, open minded, take chances, think outside the box, willing to experiment and change with the latest innovations and concepts, admit when i am wrong. Only general trends may be anticipated.

3. Astrology and other predictive disciplines, can only forecast a high probability of something happening. Much the same as statistics, there are always unseen variables which cannot be accounted for. Astrology and statistical research are very similar. Astrology predicts according to angular relationships, between planets, (energies), but it is not fixed, an individual can change their horoscope with free will. Statistics use past trends to predict probable future outcomes. The future can only be accurately predicted if no major unforeseen changes occur.

4. Nostradamus, and many other prophecies are converging at this time. Those prophecies were made at times in our past, as warnings about this time now. They were based on the probable outcome if humanity did not change; what would happen if we didn't wake up. We were headed for doom massive earth changes, apocalyptic wars, weather patterns much worse than what is happening now were being predicted.. Many prophecies did not come to pass, because we changed the time line. (take a breath)

5. The past, present and future are all happening simultaneously. Higher dimensional beings experience this, and exist outside of time as we know it, using time as a sort of marker. (take a breath)

6. I am a multidimensional being, here to experience a 3D reality, and experience individuality with the the illusion of being disconnected from source.

7. When i am confronted with a choice and i make a decision, e.g. to maintain the status quo or move my life into a different direction. I split into two, a part of me stays the same, and another part moves onto a different time line. So as to experience the outcomes of both time lines.

8. It is possible to change the future and the past. As i change my present self, i effect all my past and future selves. (another breath)

9. This is an experiment, a 3D game. I came here (3D) to forget all that is, to see if i could get out again. It has been a game of devolution and evolution. I am now on the way back to 5D, along with planet Earth. This is the third attempt at ascension, the previous two failed. This is the first time a planet and its inhabitants ascend together. If this experiment succeeds is yet to be seen.

10. Since "The Harmonic Convergence" in august 1987, our solar system has been receiving higher frequency photonic energies, this energy is known as the photon band. We have been moving in and out of these photons for the last 25 years. Each year spending more time in this band of photon energy. Until in December 2012 we will be fully immersed in this energy.

11. Since 1987, many individuals on earth have been working with this energy. Consciously channeling it to heal themselves, others and the planet. Using it to wake up to higher levels of spiritual knowledge and understanding (e.g. karma is now an everyday word). They have been called amongst other things "light workers" (a photon is a quantum of light). This photonic electromagnetic energy has been and is, literally filling us up with light. It is waking us up, to higher spiritual possibilities. In effect, evolving and changing us.

12. These light workers and others (The Bird Tribes, to name one), incarnated at this time to awaken first. Their job being very difficult, they were the harbingers of the awakening. They cut a path through the darkness, the rest of us could follow. As each new person walked the path, the way became easier for those who followed. They knew of the hundredth monkey, and that 144,000 awakened souls would be the threshold needed to send a wave of spirituality across the planet. That threshold was reached a while ago.

13. The future, well thats up to you. Time will only end if that is your choice. The paths are separating, if you choose 3D, you will stay in time, if you choose 5D it will end. It is your choice you have that power. We are all masters of our own destiny.

I leave it up to your intuition, if you choose to believe this post or not. Personally, it resonates for me, i like the story. Though when all said and done, i don't know anything. How can i know anything. Why should i know anything, when truth is just being, it just is. This information came to me, that does not mean its true, i would like it to be.

In NLP there is a maxim, "everything is a lie, so choose which lie you want to believe."

For further information, use your search engine, or check out The 9th dimensional Pleiadian Collective.

It will be fun watching all you skeptics jump all over this one. Go for it debunkerman.:cool:

Good post :)

How does the electric universe theory affect astrology? Is it an accurate depiction of the energetic programming our dna received at our birth/conception?

swamideva
14-12-2012, 12:12 PM
Good post :)

How does the electric universe theory affect astrology? Is it an accurate depiction of the energetic programming our dna received at our birth/conception?

Sorry never heard of electric universe theory.

swamideva
14-12-2012, 12:12 PM
Great post, and the main reason why i still come to this forum!

Thanks Friend!

Thank you

thommo
14-12-2012, 12:15 PM
Sorry never heard of electric universe theory.

It's worth a look, check out Thunderbolts of the gods :)

whatsinaname
14-12-2012, 12:16 PM
Great post.:)

knowthyself1
14-12-2012, 12:38 PM
THE NEWS Live: Countdown to December 21, 2012 - YouTube

Fascinating stuff :)

swamideva
14-12-2012, 08:29 PM
Good post :)

How does the electric universe theory affect astrology? Is it an accurate depiction of the energetic programming our dna received at our birth/conception?

I watched thunderbolts of the Gods. So science is turned on its arse. Thats good im skepyical of science. I had a friend a christian and a scientist, his hobby was to look for anomalies in science. He told me science has no coherence. He described science as a patchwork quilt, and each patch is a theory, they are held together tenuously by single pieces of thread. The quilt is continuously being repaired in a desperate attempt to keep it from falling apart.

The planets are electromagnetic, i am electromagnetic. We are all connected in a holographic whole. As above so below, could answer your question: How does the electric universe theory affect astrology?

As for: Is it an accurate depiction of the energetic programming our dna received at our birth/conception? I assume you mean astrology. Im not sure what modern astrologers say, astrology is ancient and they never considered dna as far as i am aware, as it is, a science and a highly intuitive art. Though solar based western astrology, as opposed to lunar based eastern astrology, originted in babylon, and the annunaki were genetic engineers, so who knows.

I dont use astrology anymore i am master of my own destiny.

If you want groundbreaking science that changes everything we think about DNA, but not only that, will change you whole life for the better, watch this
Its long because its actually 2 videos joined together, the first is the science. The second is how to use it to transform your life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU_0BwbNsH4

ghostdogg
14-12-2012, 09:15 PM
swamideva ...
i digg you 100% ...
fabulous piece of writing ...
peace ...
:) :) :)

bryant
14-12-2012, 09:35 PM
Nothing strange will happen on 21st of December. And I will book-mark this thread and bump it on day 22, just to make sure the pseudo-spiritual propaganda and babble gets a bit more exposed. Spirituality is a good thing, but not this kind of empty, perverted and cheap one.

The whole idea of considering that a human being can "spiritually be enlightened" or "ascended", and suddenly become a super-spiritual-man just because of a specifical cosmic event on a given date, is ridiculous.

You "ascend" and "get enlightened" (if those are actually correct words, cause they spell new age nonsense to me) with many years of struggling through life, learning from your mistakes, getting to know yourself. Its a long process, I havent achieved that yet and I probably will never achieve it because im thick as hell and tend to make the same mistakes over and over again.

But im sure no cosmic event will change that. Its just a fake prediction that will get exposed as always, but the fools and the sheeple will push the date further and the wheel will be going on again.

swamideva
14-12-2012, 09:44 PM
Nothing strange will happen on 21st of December. And I will book-mark this thread and bump it on day 22, just to make sure the pseudo-spiritual propaganda and babble gets a bit more exposed. Spirituality is a good thing, but not this kind of empty, perverted and cheap one.

The whole idea of considering that a human being can "spiritually be enlightened" or "ascended", and suddenly become a super-spiritual-man just because of a specifical cosmic event on a given date, is ridiculous.

You "ascend" and "get enlightened" (if those are actually correct words, cause they spell new age nonsense to me) with many years of struggling through life, learning from your mistakes, getting to know yourself. Its a long process, I havent achieved that yet and I probably will never achieve it because im thick as hell and tend to make the same mistakes over and over again.

But im sure no cosmic event will change that. Its just a fake prediction that will get exposed as always, but the fools and the sheeple will push the date further and the wheel will be going on again.

Ok if you say so.

Because it started 25 years ago, could you maybe give it until 2037, when the full effect will be over. Mind you having said that it looks as if we will be on different timelines so dont bother. Please dont put yourself down you are infinite consciousness, all that is ,was, and ever will be.

swamideva
14-12-2012, 09:48 PM
swamideva ...
i digg you 100% ...
fabulous piece of writing ...
peace ...
:) :) :)


Thank you to brother.

Love

bryant
14-12-2012, 09:58 PM
Ok if you say so.

Because it started 25 years ago, could you maybe give it until 2037, when the full effect will be over. Mind you having said that it looks as if we will be on different timelines so dont bother. Please dont put yourself down you are infinite consciousness, all that is ,was, and ever will be.

ROFL.

So basicly, some of you are already pushing the date furtheeeer to 2037, so nobody can blame you for getting exposed when nothing happens on December the 21st, and nobody ascends spirituality or whatever that could mean, and the world is still the same place after that day.

Nice tactic. I guess it works with the ignorant and gullible. Not with me though.

mmac900
14-12-2012, 11:20 PM
ROFL.

So basicly, some of you are already pushing the date furtheeeer to 2037, so nobody can blame you for getting exposed when nothing happens on December the 21st, and nobody ascends spirituality or whatever that could mean, and the world is still the same place after that day.

Nice tactic. I guess it works with the ignorant and gullible. Not with me though.

It will not be 2037, it should be soon. Thing is, no one else in the universe measures time but humans, who have invented a way to measure something that doesnt exist. It might not happen exactly on the 21st because the universe doesnt act on human time...

chockimon
15-12-2012, 12:35 AM
Nothing strange will happen on 21st of December. And I will book-mark this thread and bump it on day 22, just to make sure the pseudo-spiritual propaganda and babble gets a bit more exposed. Spirituality is a good thing, but not this kind of empty, perverted and cheap one.

The whole idea of considering that a human being can "spiritually be enlightened" or "ascended", and suddenly become a super-spiritual-man just because of a specifical cosmic event on a given date, is ridiculous.

You "ascend" and "get enlightened" (if those are actually correct words, cause they spell new age nonsense to me) with many years of struggling through life, learning from your mistakes, getting to know yourself. Its a long process, I havent achieved that yet and I probably will never achieve it because im thick as hell and tend to make the same mistakes over and over again.

But im sure no cosmic event will change that. Its just a fake prediction that will get exposed as always, but the fools and the sheeple will push the date further and the wheel will be going on again.

I agree with you. I think most of this New Age stuff is just mumbo jumbo. The CIA hijacked the new age movement. It's all just mind programming and brain washing. It's about distracting people with new age nonsense so that they won't see the huge juggernaut coming and therefore won't be able to move out of harms way.

It's best to stay grounded in reality & truth, than off in airy fairy land. The only place people should be looking for the truth is within themselves. I think the biggest myth perpetuated by certain entities is that something or someone is coming to save us. They're not! We can only save ourselves.

Insights into the New Age movement
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/quantum-evolution/2012/12/12/is-the-new-age-movement-a-cia-mind-control-creation

Was the “New Age Movement” a CIA mind control creation?
http://abetalk.com/showthread.php?t=5240

bryant
15-12-2012, 12:48 AM
Very true chokimon.

maccoy
15-12-2012, 02:49 AM
If it is true or not, one thing is for sure. All this is no accident. If you really think about it like really think about it :) Something somewhere has made all this and it wasn't a human so ya have to think what else could have made it.

We just happen to be flying through space on a mass of rock that is absolutely perfect for life to exist. The sun is just the right distance away, the moon is just the right distance away even if it what david says is true or false, Its still there for all to see. Eveything is connected everything has it's place.

Anything is possible :cool:

thetruepathofwisdom
15-12-2012, 02:54 AM
If it is true or not, one thing is for sure. All this is no accident. If you really think about it like really think about it :) Something somewhere has made all this and it wasn't a human so ya have to think what else could have made it.

We just happen to be flying through space on a mass of rock that is absolutely perfect for life to exist. The sun is just the right distance away, the moon is just the right distance away even if it what david says is true or false, Its still there for all to see. Eveything is connected everything has it's place.

Anything is possible :cool:

...Gravity holds us to the earth but allows us to stand up. Water evaporates allowing it to be transported across the globe etc.

thetruepathofwisdom
15-12-2012, 03:03 AM
I don't know the future, so I will make no assumptions. There are three possible scenarios; 21/12/2012 is real, and will happen; 21/12/2012 is not real, and will not happen, or 21/12/2012 is a hoax and will happen, but is not real.

I don't know about you guys, but this year has felt far more out of control craziness then the previous years, and as the year progresses it gets crazier and crazier. So I am open to whatever happens.

For it to happen, but to be a hoax, would work perfectly for 'them'.
Number one, many people would go back to their normal way of living, disregarding all conspiracy theory's as false and accepting that being a slave is the only way.
Number two, they could hoax an alien invasion, and than reveal themselves as the saviours and offer a solution (fema camps etc.)
The list could go one. Basically it could work well in their favour.

Lets just ride it out, stay open minded but keep your wits about you ;)

maccoy
15-12-2012, 03:52 AM
...Gravity holds us to the earth but allows us to stand up. Water evaporates allowing it to be transported across the globe etc.

How odd & amazing is that lol :D


I don't know the future, so I will make no assumptions.

I don't know about you guys, but this year has felt far more out of control craziness then the previous years, and as the year progresses it gets crazier and crazier. So I am open to whatever happens.

Lets just ride it out, stay open minded but keep your wits about you ;)

Yep! what else can we do anyhows when we are so small compared to power & greed which has been towering over us for hundreds maybe even thousands of years.
I had a boss onetime that hung himself over a debt to the bank. Sadly he couldn't battle on, it got the better of him and many like him

ursheep
15-12-2012, 10:03 AM
Nothing strange will happen on 21st of December. And I will book-mark this thread and bump it on day 22, just to make sure the pseudo-spiritual propaganda and babble gets a bit more exposed. Spirituality is a good thing, but not this kind of empty, perverted and cheap one.

The whole idea of considering that a human being can "spiritually be enlightened" or "ascended", and suddenly become a super-spiritual-man just because of a specifical cosmic event on a given date, is ridiculous.

You "ascend" and "get enlightened" (if those are actually correct words, cause they spell new age nonsense to me) with many years of struggling through life, learning from your mistakes, getting to know yourself. Its a long process, I havent achieved that yet and I probably will never achieve it because im thick as hell and tend to make the same mistakes over and over again.

But im sure no cosmic event will change that. Its just a fake prediction that will get exposed as always, but the fools and the sheeple will push the date further and the wheel will be going on again.

Bryant, I'm 100% with you.

I think we should create a thread where all the doomsday believers must make themselves known.

When nothing happens on the 21st Dec, they should all be banned from the forum so that they can actually get on with their life instead of claiming that they are "awake" and trying save the world by posting on a conspiracy forum. If they truly believe it, there shouldn't be a problem because we'll all be dead anyway.

The thing is, on the 22nd Dec, I expect there will be a ton of threads titled "Wow, I feel different today" or "We have finally passed into the age of blah blah blah" - you just can't win!

steppewar
15-12-2012, 10:13 AM
Bryant, I'm 100% with you.

I think we should create a thread where all the doomsday believers must make themselves known.

When nothing happens on the 21st Dec, they should all be banned from the forum so that they can actually get on with their life instead of claiming that they are "awake" and trying save the world by posting on a conspiracy forum. If they truly believe it, there shouldn't be a problem because we'll all be dead anyway.

The thing is, on the 22nd Dec, I expect there will be a ton of threads titled "Wow, I feel different today" or "We have finally passed into the age of blah blah blah" - you just can't win!

I am still convinced we are all doomed on 21 Dec 2012 even though the scientific evidence says it will be in 2013.

deinonychus
15-12-2012, 10:19 AM
Nothing strange will happen on 21st of December. And I will book-mark this thread and bump it on day 22, just to make sure the pseudo-spiritual propaganda and babble gets a bit more exposed. Spirituality is a good thing, but not this kind of empty, perverted and cheap one. Agree totally.

Spirituality is about one's relationship with God; not 2012, astrology, dowsing sticks, pendulums, and who knows what else.
And this New Age idea of becoming a God is blasphemy, we are not omniscient.ROFL.
So basicly, some of you are already pushing the date furtheeeer to 2037, so nobody can blame you for getting exposed when nothing happens on December the 21st, and nobody ascends spirituality or whatever that could mean, and the world is still the same place after that day.
Nice tactic. I guess it works with the ignorant and gullible. Not with me though.Bryant, I remember years back the New Age people were all talking about how disasters were increasing and how we would see huge catastrophes by the year 2012. Then a few years later (around 2010) they were all saying that the change wouldn't be physical but only spiritual. Now it's suddenly a date we shouldn't be fixed upon, it can take another 10 years, or 25 years, or 100 years. I also hope people wake up to this madness but there's always new generations who will unfortunately function as apprentices.

azureaura
15-12-2012, 10:52 AM
This awakening and relisation is spreading, and it will have to be, if the manevolent power source the global elite answer to is to be changed and neutralised.

I am looking forward to subtle changes in attitudes after Dec 21st, and hopefully we will first see the common man less agitated and angry.

hypophos
15-12-2012, 11:02 AM
I'm not sure if the 2012 predictions are influencing me with what I am going through at the moment.
I have felt a calling to different psychedelic substances.
Magic mushrooms are growing on the edge of my yard and they have never been there before.and I have been taking them as well as DMT and LSD.
My trips seem more spiritual I am getting taken on a journey maybe in preparation for something I have gained great wisdom in the last few weeks.

ursheep
15-12-2012, 11:30 AM
Please enlighten us on this great wisdom you have gained.

ursheep
15-12-2012, 11:36 AM
I am still convinced we are all doomed on 21 Dec 2012 even though the scientific evidence says it will be in 2013.

Oh, I didn't know there was scientific evidence, could you point me in the right direction...

Woud you be prepared to bet all your belongings that the world will end on the 21st?

hypophos
15-12-2012, 12:08 PM
Please enlighten us on this great wisdom you have gained.

It's a personal journey I have a better understanding of myself and my life meaning.
You should try it life will finally have meaning when you have an understanding with life you are truly alive.
These substances didn't just appear by accident they are a tool for knowledge.
Don't be scared to open your mind.
I'm not going to write a heap of what I have seen it will look like another crumby trip report on the net but I will sum it up.

The world will not end but there will be a mass awakening the good people will finally have a voice that will be herd I'm not sure if it is the return of Christ that the Christians believe in but there will be change.
Mother earth will also show us that we are her children and she needs to be respected.
We have bought about this change our selves by being selfish and forgetting to respect our home. All the people who have taken advantage on the life they have been given they will be the ones that suffer.
It may not happen all at once on the 21/12/2012 but once something this powerful gets going it won't be stopped and it will be a positive change in the end.

But hey I might be just trippin:p

hypophos
15-12-2012, 12:17 PM
I think the large fish coming out of a large body of water surrounded by fire I have seen while tripping Is a natural but massive earth quake type of event and maybe the sea floor that has been under water for thousands of years will rise again.
I'm not sure though as I said I may be tripping and it may all mean nothing.

little_miss
15-12-2012, 02:03 PM
If you try to understand some of what i am going to say with your mind which is the filter for 3D reality it wont happen. You will need to take a deep breath, and listen to the information with your heart center. The heart is the filter for multidimensional reality. If you try to understand the heart center with your mind, that wont work either, the language of the heart is not understood by the mind. Just take a deep breath, be in your heart and take it from there.

1. The past, present and future are all parts of the eternal now. All that exists is this now moment. It is always this now moment, not a string of miniscule moments strung together, that are gone before i can grasp them. That is just a trick of the mind and the illusion of time. It is always now. Now is all there is.

2. The future, has unlimited possibilities, dependent upon my free will, my choices. But if my mind is fixed into a limited belief system, e.g. Same job for life, no life on other planets, no life after death, watch the media and believe it, etc. Or a fixed religious belief system, that allows no deviation from scripture.("this is the only true way, all other beliefs are wrong"). Then there is a high probability of accurately predicting my future. Though If i am flexible, open minded, take chances, think outside the box, willing to experiment and change with the latest innovations and concepts, admit when i am wrong. Only general trends may be anticipated.

3. Astrology and other predictive disciplines, can only forecast a high probability of something happening. Much the same as statistics, there are always unseen variables which cannot be accounted for. Astrology and statistical research are very similar. Astrology predicts according to angular relationships, between planets, (energies), but it is not fixed, an individual can change their horoscope with free will. Statistics use past trends to predict probable future outcomes. The future can only be accurately predicted if no major unforeseen changes occur.

4. Nostradamus, and many other prophecies are converging at this time. Those prophecies were made at times in our past, as warnings about this time now. They were based on the probable outcome if humanity did not change; what would happen if we didn't wake up. We were headed for doom massive earth changes, apocalyptic wars, weather patterns much worse than what is happening now were being predicted.. Many prophecies did not come to pass, because we changed the time line. (take a breath)

5. The past, present and future are all happening simultaneously. Higher dimensional beings experience this, and exist outside of time as we know it, using time as a sort of marker. (take a breath)

6. I am a multidimensional being, here to experience a 3D reality, and experience individuality with the the illusion of being disconnected from source.

7. When i am confronted with a choice and i make a decision, e.g. to maintain the status quo or move my life into a different direction. I split into two, a part of me stays the same, and another part moves onto a different time line. So as to experience the outcomes of both time lines.

8. It is possible to change the future and the past. As i change my present self, i effect all my past and future selves. (another breath)

9. This is an experiment, a 3D game. I came here (3D) to forget all that is, to see if i could get out again. It has been a game of devolution and evolution. I am now on the way back to 5D, along with planet Earth. This is the third attempt at ascension, the previous two failed. This is the first time a planet and its inhabitants ascend together. If this experiment succeeds is yet to be seen.

10. Since "The Harmonic Convergence" in august 1987, our solar system has been receiving higher frequency photonic energies, this energy is known as the photon band. We have been moving in and out of these photons for the last 25 years. Each year spending more time in this band of photon energy. Until in December 2012 we will be fully immersed in this energy.

11. Since 1987, many individuals on earth have been working with this energy. Consciously channeling it to heal themselves, others and the planet. Using it to wake up to higher levels of spiritual knowledge and understanding (e.g. karma is now an everyday word). They have been called amongst other things "light workers" (a photon is a quantum of light). This photonic electromagnetic energy has been and is, literally filling us up with light. It is waking us up, to higher spiritual possibilities. In effect, evolving and changing us.

12. These light workers and others (The Bird Tribes, to name one), incarnated at this time to awaken first. Their job being very difficult, they were the harbingers of the awakening. They cut a path through the darkness, the rest of us could follow. As each new person walked the path, the way became easier for those who followed. They knew of the hundredth monkey, and that 144,000 awakened souls would be the threshold needed to send a wave of spirituality across the planet. That threshold was reached a while ago.

13. The future, well thats up to you. Time will only end if that is your choice. The paths are separating, if you choose 3D, you will stay in time, if you choose 5D it will end. It is your choice you have that power. We are all masters of our own destiny.

I leave it up to your intuition, if you choose to believe this post or not. Personally, it resonates for me, i like the story. Though when all said and done, i don't know anything. How can i know anything. Why should i know anything, when truth is just being, it just is. This information came to me, that does not mean its true, i would like it to be.

In NLP there is a maxim, "everything is a lie, so choose which lie you want to believe."

For further information, use your search engine, or check out The 9th dimensional Pleiadian Collective.

It will be fun watching all you skeptics jump all over this one. Go for it debunkerman.:cool:

Thanks for posting this - very interesting!!!

I've highlighted a few things on your post, I wonder if you could elaborate further on these?

:)

thisismyusername
15-12-2012, 02:13 PM
It will not be 2037, it should be soon. Thing is, no one else in the universe measures time but humans, who have invented a way to measure something that doesnt exist. It might not happen exactly on the 21st because the universe doesnt act on human time...

You're right, and very wrong... the universe does not act on human time, however, we as humans base time off the universe. So, time really does not exist, but if the Mayans calculated something that happened in the cosmos on the 21st, they put it into a system known as "time" so others could comprehend it. Now I am not saying it will happen, just saying what time is, and what it is not!

bishadi
15-12-2012, 02:35 PM
the 9th dimensional or multi dimensional garbage is just that.


three parts in nature:

mass

energy (light)

time

Not a one can be even measured, without the other 2 (always and forever). So when someone says, 'no such thing as time' then ask 'how do you measure that?"


A dimension of the universe, is a layer in time.

ie.. the previous post is a rendition of a previous moment in time, like a picture

But no one is going anywhere.


ps......prophecy is from a property of nature(light), called entanglement. Same naturally spooky action at a distance that enables deja vu, consciousness, and gravity.



.

as for the 'date'.... well, i would not hang onto the date so much but is ww3 about to ignite and be nuclear?

Absolutely!

and i be the prick many old stories talk about

(with the name upon the head)
If you try to understand some of what i am going to say with your mind which is the filter for 3D reality it wont happen. You will need to take a deep breath, and listen to the information with your heart center. The heart is the filter for multidimensional reality. If you try to understand the heart center with your mind, that wont work either, the language of the heart is not understood by the mind. Just take a deep breath, be in your heart and take it from there.

1. The past, present and future are all parts of the eternal now. All that exists is this now moment. It is always this now moment, not a string of miniscule moments strung together, that are gone before i can grasp them. That is just a trick of the mind and the illusion of time. It is always now. Now is all there is.

2. The future, has unlimited possibilities, dependent upon my free will, my choices. But if my mind is fixed into a limited belief system, e.g. Same job for life, no life on other planets, no life after death, watch the media and believe it, etc. Or a fixed religious belief system, that allows no deviation from scripture.("this is the only true way, all other beliefs are wrong"). Then there is a high probability of accurately predicting my future. Though If i am flexible, open minded, take chances, think outside the box, willing to experiment and change with the latest innovations and concepts, admit when i am wrong. Only general trends may be anticipated.

3. Astrology and other predictive disciplines, can only forecast a high probability of something happening. Much the same as statistics, there are always unseen variables which cannot be accounted for. Astrology and statistical research are very similar. Astrology predicts according to angular relationships, between planets, (energies), but it is not fixed, an individual can change their horoscope with free will. Statistics use past trends to predict probable future outcomes. The future can only be accurately predicted if no major unforeseen changes occur.

4. Nostradamus, and many other prophecies are converging at this time. Those prophecies were made at times in our past, as warnings about this time now. They were based on the probable outcome if humanity did not change; what would happen if we didn't wake up. We were headed for doom massive earth changes, apocalyptic wars, weather patterns much worse than what is happening now were being predicted.. Many prophecies did not come to pass, because we changed the time line. (take a breath)

5. The past, present and future are all happening simultaneously. Higher dimensional beings experience this, and exist outside of time as we know it, using time as a sort of marker. (take a breath)

6. I am a multidimensional being, here to experience a 3D reality, and experience individuality with the the illusion of being disconnected from source.

7. When i am confronted with a choice and i make a decision, e.g. to maintain the status quo or move my life into a different direction. I split into two, a part of me stays the same, and another part moves onto a different time line. So as to experience the outcomes of both time lines.

8. It is possible to change the future and the past. As i change my present self, i effect all my past and future selves. (another breath)

9. This is an experiment, a 3D game. I came here (3D) to forget all that is, to see if i could get out again. It has been a game of devolution and evolution. I am now on the way back to 5D, along with planet Earth. This is the third attempt at ascension, the previous two failed. This is the first time a planet and its inhabitants ascend together. If this experiment succeeds is yet to be seen.

10. Since "The Harmonic Convergence" in august 1987, our solar system has been receiving higher frequency photonic energies, this energy is known as the photon band. We have been moving in and out of these photons for the last 25 years. Each year spending more time in this band of photon energy. Until in December 2012 we will be fully immersed in this energy.

11. Since 1987, many individuals on earth have been working with this energy. Consciously channeling it to heal themselves, others and the planet. Using it to wake up to higher levels of spiritual knowledge and understanding (e.g. karma is now an everyday word). They have been called amongst other things "light workers" (a photon is a quantum of light). This photonic electromagnetic energy has been and is, literally filling us up with light. It is waking us up, to higher spiritual possibilities. In effect, evolving and changing us.

12. These light workers and others (The Bird Tribes, to name one), incarnated at this time to awaken first. Their job being very difficult, they were the harbingers of the awakening. They cut a path through the darkness, the rest of us could follow. As each new person walked the path, the way became easier for those who followed. They knew of the hundredth monkey, and that 144,000 awakened souls would be the threshold needed to send a wave of spirituality across the planet. That threshold was reached a while ago.

13. The future, well thats up to you. Time will only end if that is your choice. The paths are separating, if you choose 3D, you will stay in time, if you choose 5D it will end. It is your choice you have that power. We are all masters of our own destiny.

I leave it up to your intuition, if you choose to believe this post or not. Personally, it resonates for me, i like the story. Though when all said and done, i don't know anything. How can i know anything. Why should i know anything, when truth is just being, it just is. This information came to me, that does not mean its true, i would like it to be.

In NLP there is a maxim, "everything is a lie, so choose which lie you want to believe."

For further information, use your search engine, or check out The 9th dimensional Pleiadian Collective.

It will be fun watching all you skeptics jump all over this one. Go for it debunkerman.:cool:

tink123
15-12-2012, 03:04 PM
I don't think anything that the sceptics want as proof will happen on the date...I think its a spirtiual date..like a gateway opening...and things will start to unravel from that date onwards...so I am no expecting God to come down or alien to invade...I think thats missing the point....but all the ancient books....all holy books....all spirtual leaders mayans etc....everyone agrees the date is important....thats the point missed.

Personally I think its like the turning of a page in a book the final chapter starts so to speak! x

swamideva
16-12-2012, 12:36 AM
I don't think anything that the sceptics want as proof will happen on the date...I think its a spirtiual date..like a gateway opening...and things will start to unravel from that date onwards...so I am no expecting God to come down or alien to invade...I think thats missing the point....but all the ancient books....all holy books....all spirtual leaders mayans etc....everyone agrees the date is important....thats the point missed.

Personally I think its like the turning of a page in a book the final chapter starts so to speak! x

agreed

swamideva
16-12-2012, 12:39 AM
ROFL.

So basically, some of you are already pushing the date furtheeeer to 2037, so nobody can blame you for getting exposed when nothing happens on December the 21st, and nobody ascends spirituality or whatever that could mean, and the world is still the same place after that day.

Nice tactic. I guess it works with the ignorant and gullible. Not with me though.

Shit man you got me sussed

swamideva
16-12-2012, 01:06 AM
Thanks for posting this - very interesting!!!

I've highlighted a few things on your post, I wonder if you could elaborate further on these?

:)

Thank you, but those points you very astutely picked out, they can only be understood through the heart, the human mind is not capable of that level of understanding, and it is beyond my abilities to explain them here.. It may sound like a cop out, but it took me years of seeking, experimenting, researching, its was a long journey and it requires higher dimensional help and higher frequency to understand. I suggest you check, wendy kennedy, nora harold and the 9th, dimensional plieadian colective on youtube.

Illumination Matrix Channeling Session - 2012 LA Conscious Life Expo - Nora Herold & Wendy Kennedy - YouTube

I DI's earlier books you will find references to the photon band, and plieadians.

At Wembly DI quoted one channel, Barbara Marciniak, from a book called Earth
she is a plieadian channel.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51U-ZgKJYRL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-67,22_AA300_SH20_OU02_.jpg

This is the best i can do for you, sorry i hope it helps. i planted a seed that is all its up to you if you want it to grow.

(FULL FILM) ~ The Ceremony of Original Innocence ~ 2012 Stargate Celestial Alignment - YouTube

swamideva
16-12-2012, 06:11 AM
Agree totally.

Spirituality is about one's relationship with God; not 2012, astrology, dowsing sticks, pendulums, and who knows what else.
And this New Age idea of becoming a God is blasphemy, we are not omniscient.

Speak for yourself.

Which god are you talking about? The christian god. The god of plagues of frogs and lice, the killer of livestock, and the firstborn, children and babies. The god who turns water to blood. The God that nukes two cities because they contained homosexuals.

So what sort of relationship do you have with this god? If that was my god i would get on my knees before he came for me.

If that is not your god then tell me which god you have, and i will give you a catalog, just the same. Im curious to know of this god you speak of. Is it the god with the monopoly on the truth, who say all other beliefs but his are evil. No wonder people become satanists.

That's just for starters, i have not even startled blaspheming yet, just stating facts. Don't have to blaspheme a god like that hes his own bad publicity.

What am i wasting my breath for this guy says it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovWs8JQN7FE&feature=related

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

deinonychus
16-12-2012, 10:01 AM
We are not omniscient, that's what I said.

And to that exact line you give me that response? Lmao..

jane_d
16-12-2012, 02:33 PM
Next Russia-EU summit will take place in December, 21 in Brussels. That's what will happen.

:rolleyes:

torben1204
16-12-2012, 05:42 PM
it is flouridated water that makes that prediction possible.




hmmmm possible cliffhanger?

lauren_almighty
16-12-2012, 08:49 PM
This is what I am hoping for... Time enough at last.

Like the old Twilight Zone episode where a man who loves reading books but never gets chance to because of work and because of his nagging wife never letting him, I just want to read too. A nuclear bomb goes off while he is in the bank vault of the bank that he works at so he was protected. When he leaves he sees that everybody is gone and that the library books are all over the street and he gets excited at the thought of being able to relax with a book for as long as he wants.

I'm always complaining that I never get time to do anything.

jane_d
16-12-2012, 08:56 PM
Hell, I need to finish one my work until December, 27 and someone hopes that I'll believe in the End of the world :D

It's just impossible and how I feel it now... :D

noncooperation
16-12-2012, 10:06 PM
I like to think there will be a shift that will give more support to the honest people and make it harder and give less support to the deceitful people.

Also, that some deceitful people switch 'sides' and become honest people.

These selfish liars have a lot to do with the current state of affairs on this planet.

chockimon
16-12-2012, 11:04 PM
Bryant, I'm 100% with you.

I think we should create a thread where all the doomsday believers must make themselves known.

When nothing happens on the 21st Dec, they should all be banned from the forum so that they can actually get on with their life instead of claiming that they are "awake" and trying save the world by posting on a conspiracy forum. If they truly believe it, there shouldn't be a problem because we'll all be dead anyway.

The thing is, on the 22nd Dec, I expect there will be a ton of threads titled "Wow, I feel different today" or "We have finally passed into the age of blah blah blah" - you just can't win!

LOL so true! ;) They'll no doubt have a prophetic plan B.

swamideva
17-12-2012, 12:22 AM
We are not omniscient, that's what I said.

And to that exact line you give me that response? Lmao..

you did not answer my question i repeat

Which god are you talking about? The christian god. The god of plagues of frogs and lice, the killer of livestock, and the firstborn, children and babies. The god who turns water to blood. The God that nukes two cities because they contained homosexuals.

So what sort of relationship do you have with this god? If that was my god i would get on my knees before he came for me.

If that is not your god then tell me which god you have, and i will give you a catalog, just the same. Im curious to know of this god you speak of. Is it the god with the monopoly on the truth, who say all other beliefs but his are evil. No wonder people become satanists.

That's just for starters, i have not even startled blaspheming yet, just stating facts. Don't have to blaspheme a god like that hes his own bad publicity.

What am i wasting my breath for this guy says it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovWs...eature=related

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
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pyrrhonist
17-12-2012, 12:22 AM
I like to think there will be a shift that will give more support to the honest people and make it harder and give less support to the deceitful people.

Also, that some deceitful people switch 'sides' and become honest people.

These selfish liars have a lot to do with the current state of affairs on this planet.

Lying is a survival strategy for those too weak and ugly to attract women.

It won't ever go away. Not until we jump into simulation world.

omegatau
17-12-2012, 12:32 AM
This makes no sense, really. Looks like its been taken out of a video game. To make this relevant, you have to make several points. Why is ascension even necessary? Why is ascension something people should look forward to? What makes a 5D world better than our 3D world? What makes you think you've ascended and not simply descended into a mad belief that you've achieved some dimensional jump? And most of all, what credibility would you have when you talk about it? No one bothers to answer these; theres just thousands and thousands of threads like these.

omegatau
17-12-2012, 12:35 AM
I wonder how people manage to spare enough time to think out things like these. Seriously, don't you have anything better to do...? Theres not even one shred of sense to whatever you're talking about. You need to put something behind your words or they'll remain just what they are, words. And no, they won't ascend into anything.

psychopigeon
17-12-2012, 12:36 AM
Nothing to see here folks, just media screwing around

Carlos Barrios, Mayan elder and Ajq'ij (is a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide) of the Eagle Clan. Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars circulating. Carlos along with his brother Gerardo studied with many teachers and interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.

Carlos found out quickly there were several conflicting interpretations of Mayan hieroglyphs, petroglyphs, Sacred Books of 'Chilam Balam' and various ancient text. Carlos found some strong words for those who may have contributed to the confusion:

Carlos Barrios: "Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed."

"We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth Changes."

He continues: "Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human. We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action."

Carlos tells us: "The indigenous have the calendars and know how to accurately interpret it -- not others. The Mayan Calendars comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya understand 17 different calendars such as the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij, some of them charting time accurately over a span of more than ten million years.

tink123
17-12-2012, 12:37 AM
I just watched a video by George Kavassilas called Dec 21st 2012 the deception and what we can do abouut it.On You Tube.

He states that date is the opening of the window which is fully open by 21st March 2013.

He says you shouldn't go to sites meditate or do chakra stuff as that is about bering false energy and light in. Instead

You should give love and light out...from yourself in any way you feel comfortable with.As we are the true light..we are part of God and the universe is within us.

He Also says...that when the time comes...some people will go to bunkers underground...some will follow the church...some will go off in space craft and some will follow mother earth..etc.....He says some of these paths are not the true path..but we will believe tham to be true because they will connect with us...as we remember who we really are and where we come from..there is nothing wrong with this..they will return to where they belong.

He says the few left are those who will ascend to the 5th dimension and higher thats true ascention???????????

Interesting talk anyway. still trying to absorb all this stuff its abit like info overload...some say do this others do that...I feel I am going round in circles at the moment!...lol

yosako
17-12-2012, 12:38 AM
I just watched a video by George Kavassilas called Dec 21st 2012 the deception and what we can do abouut it.On You Tube.

He states that date is the opening of the window which is fully open by 21st March 2013.

He says you shouldn't go to sites meditate or do chakra stuff as that is about bering false energy and light in. Instead

You should give love and light out...from yourself in any way you feel comfortable with.As we are the true light..we are part of God and the universe is within us.

He Also says...that when the time comes...some people will go to bunkers underground...some will follow the church...some will go off in space craft and some will follow mother earth..etc.....He says some of these paths are not the true path..but we will believe tham to be true because they will connect with us...as we remember who we really are and where we come from..there is nothing wrong with this..they will return to where they belong.

He says the few left are those who will ascend to the 5th dimension and higher thats true ascention???????????

Interesting talk anyway. still trying to absorb all this stuff its abit like info overload...some say do this others do that...I feel I am going round in circles at the moment!...lol
Keeping delaying the date? Sure right so. That tactic is way too old.

thetruepathofwisdom
17-12-2012, 01:58 AM
'My opinions better than yours, 2012 will happen. 2012 won't happen...'

Seriously, if this is the way human beings communicate with each other, no one is going to ascend, we're simply not ready.

This forum is filled with arguments, debates etc. But were's the inspiration? Were's there planning, the taking action? What good are we doing by arguing and trying to prove our point by typing on a keyboard. Look at yourselves!

The way I see it, someone posted some information about 2012, and a whole bunch of keyboard warriors jump in and bring it down.

If you don't have something nice and informative to say, turn of your computer, go outside, and meditate :)

pyrrhonist
17-12-2012, 02:13 AM
Keeping delaying the date? Sure right so. That tactic is way too old.

But my apocalypse book isn't ready yet. How will I make any money if people aren't being hyped up over something?

barelyhuman11
17-12-2012, 03:09 AM
2012? Mass shootings? I'd say this video explains it pretty damn well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_WInXC3O8

barelyhuman11
17-12-2012, 03:13 AM
2012? Mass shootings? I'd say this video explains it pretty damn well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_WInXC3O8

deca
17-12-2012, 03:22 AM
wounder how many people well end up committing suicide because of all this crap about 2012 ?

302bluefog
17-12-2012, 03:28 AM
wounder how many people well end up committing suicide because of all this crap about 2012 ?

What would cause that?

If the suns does not blow up or whatever everyone on the 22nd will go on like nothing ever happened.

tnt1
17-12-2012, 03:42 AM
Consensus reality = that which was programmed into you without your knowledge. That which set in on your psyche since first becoming aware. Most people are caught up in this never being able to rise above it to even look at other possibility feeling stuck. This is sad but it is fact. Most never get to a point where they can 'reformat the disc' of their own harddrive in their mind as Terrance McKenna said it. Crossing the great sea as wisdom teachers have called it, is a major undertaking requiring much in the way of self discipline and exploration of self.

Consensus reality is that which traps you into this paradigm, and it is so ingrained that most feel it is ridiculous to suggest one can change their circumstances yet people do just that everyday. I can assure you if I still lived by the paradigm I grew up into that I'd be as poor, as unhealthy and as dependent on government handouts as the rest of my family. I wanted better and sought it and low and behold I actually got it. Universe is but a looking glass for consciousness. This is the only message here really. Alter your thoughts toward anything, people, places or things and instantly those people, places and things alter in your observations. It is this simple and can be that fast, in that instant or it can take many years of work. It is up to each to decide in their own being just where they wish to be and then make that happen by their thought patterns and habits of thought. Habits of thought produce their effect in the body. The body is a delicate and plastic instrument that readily responds to the thoughts and emotions you impress upon it. One can indeed make one self ill, even deathly so by the routine habits of their thought patterns.

If you walk into a refrigerated box car that has been unplugged from service for years, but you believe firmly after the doors slam shut closing you up in there that it is on, and that you will freeze to death if you are not rescued soon, you will freeze to death and be found that way even tho the car was never on! It happened at least once documented by more than one author, Charles Berlitz to name one, police reports and witness testimony included. This is how powerful the thoughts you harbor, and beliefs you hold are and what they can do to alter, even drastically change one's reality if they are applied consciously.

Most chose instead to live the reality that was programmed into them as I said. The simple fact is someone, a third party with an agenda decided for all of those birthed into this reality that since they were not using their conscious minds all that much they would just go ahead and take care of that for them and make them live the reality of their making to better control them for their own twisted purposes. What SwamiDiva offers you is a way out of that programming and the thanks he gets is a slap in the head from the ignorant programmed sheeple so asleep they cannot even notice the gift horse staring them in the face!

Remember we are all one organism and all you see is that reflected back to yourself. Why ascend? Its a natural cycle of life and vibration. As this cycle here closes many humans that are ready may have raised their own light, their own vibration to the state of being that allows them to rise above the need of this type of matter connection. I do see some that will ascend above the needs to stay here this cycle and my intuition tells me that the numbers will be higher than ever before in this garden's history. These wonderful light beings of love will become the divine human we all hope to achieve eventually. While there are many names for this process the simple fact is this is how we grow according to the natural laws. Those humans not ready, that have not awakened and raised their vibration, their own voltage, will recycle through. Perhaps by the next cycle they will then rise to the occasion and be ready then.

This process is akin to being in the shower. Notice that at the nozzle the water is much hotter. As you stoop down it cools becoming more comfortable. Stoop even lower it is not that hot at all. Rest there a while, adapting to that temp. of the water and rise and you will note at some point it is almost too hot to continue on too fast. You must first let your body adjust to the desire to rise so you pause don't you? Yes and you then wait for the body to adjust to that and then you can get closer to the nozzle. This is the reason for many of the 'enlightened light workers' experiencing various aches, pains and so on. Some are wondering just what the heck is wrong with them as they are never sick. Allow yourself time to adjust. When you elevate faster than the body can keep up you will feel these things and this time in our cycle is famous for these things happening so rest easy. Offer up your pain and go with it. Bless it for the tremendous gift that it really is.

The simple fact is this is how we as one being grow and learn to know ourselves and reports will be that many people are missing once this cyle is completed. This will be much as the Anasazi just vanished apparently while right in the middle of meals leaving food on the plates even to be there when found by early settlers. This is the unending cycle of life. The idea that genetic manipulation of our DNA was done at some point is a correct one. We are genetically modified beings but remember, we are all one organism, one collective consciousness and we are just aspects of that conscious life permeating universe. We, the manipulative fingers of the awakening consciousness of the one did this to ourselves for the purpose of learning and growing and in order to know self. It is the proper order of life. There is nothing to fix or repair. This is how we grow.

tink123
17-12-2012, 04:49 AM
Oh dear Swam!!!...there you go upsetting the narrow minded again lol...naughty boy!!...lol.

I don't know why people come on here just to slate someones view point or theory off because supposedly its a site where everyone has a right to express themselves as freely as possible and it is just good manners to listen and to respect what they say ...not cause a heated debate and fall out?

Its quite simple in my eyes....people today have so forgotten what their own parents taught them about morals values manners right and wrong...the majority run round on that little hamster wheel frightened incase it stops. They haven't go and nor do they want their worlds questioned by people like us because it means all that they know or thought they knew is irrelevant..and thats a bitter pill to swallow...to realise we have all been conned big style!

The ones that are open...accept the World we have around us...we are all just merely saying...its not how its suppose to be at all. This isn't wnat any of the Gos preach whatever your religion....and we are all part of our Gods personally I think its the same god/creator we all just have different names....and the problem is we get too bogged down the the language of these books...what we are told they mean...when actually we don't know....and we all know they have been altered over time....so why we ll argue and don't find the time to find the common ground in all religious beliefs I seriously don't know???

I for one...could not give a monkeys is someone calls there God Jesus..a tree...a chair etc...I don't think God is that petty either....there are many paths to God.....no one is wrong.

What is wrong is fighting over it..my god id better than yours...its ridiculous...because we all believe there is only one God!

The reason for Ascention..means to rise....go up.....you grow every day in knowledge...values principles and manners....well you should....most of society these days seem to be going backwards or stagnating but thats a ddifferent issue. Its about looking at yourself raising your standards in life about who and what you believe.....sod what everyone else is doing and what x factor and the adverts tell us we should be....its about evolving but not physically...its about mental and spiritual evolution this time! x

Here ends todays lesson!!! ...lol..xx

tink123
17-12-2012, 05:03 AM
I was thinking..maybe if we rewrite the holy books and merge them into one as a collective book and make sure its politically correct...it would solve all these disputes and wars????...lol

Everyone can have an imput and everyone can agree we are all right...simple on that level problem solved!..lol

But the problem you have is not just with religion is it??? Because if the books aren't true or we have been told the wrong meaning...which i believe we have for all of them....then it calls into question...where did we come from and aliens..etc.....then you open up a new box of questions and problems and I think the lid on that box really does need to be lifted once and for all and we should be told the truth!

Because we all know..those with a decent IQ..that Adam and Eve and a snake....isn't to be taken literally!!...Its symbolic...but symbolic of what...and thats where the questions start...who was the sanke suppose to represent?...

But it doesn't really matter we all know there is good and bad the right and wrong thing to do in life......and its sticking on that good path thats hard...but open your eyes look at the real world as it really is not how the BBC pretends it is for the few.

The majority of the world is starving...homeless and sick and we sit at home...because we are just as trapped as them...via taxes mortgages we will never pay off ever...that we keep the blinkers on and pretend it is someone else is problem..but it isn't it all our problems and those elected at the top have failed us all as human beings and sold us all down the river...those people do not represent real humanity...because real humanity if we all pulled in the right direction could stop all of this over night but greed money and power...are the work of the Devil and bad side...Money corrupts!

So we do nothing we all worship money...yet money is man made and not divine! x...off to bed now!!..lol

arcyclus
17-12-2012, 05:46 AM
I thought it was understood that obama's re-election was the reason for, December 21, 2012?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JIMBO66664/121114Mayancalendarcomic_zps1911b656.jpg

swamideva
17-12-2012, 06:01 AM
Consensus reality = that which was programmed into you without your knowledge. That which set in on your psyche since first becoming aware. Most people are caught up in this never being able to rise above it to even look at other possibility feeling stuck. This is sad but it is fact. Most never get to a point where they can 'reformat the disc' of their own harddrive in their mind as Terrance McKenna said it. Crossing the great sea as wisdom teachers have called it, is a major undertaking requiring much in the way of self discipline and exploration of self.

Consensus reality is that which traps you into this paradigm, and it is so ingrained that most feel it is ridiculous to suggest one can change their circumstances yet people do just that everyday. I can assure you if I still lived by the paradigm I grew up into that I'd be as poor, as unhealthy and as dependent on government handouts as the rest of my family. I wanted better and sought it and low and behold I actually got it. Universe is but a looking glass for consciousness. This is the only message here really. Alter your thoughts toward anything, people, places or things and instantly those people, places and things alter in your observations. It is this simple and can be that fast, in that instant or it can take many years of work. It is up to each to decide in their own being just where they wish to be and then make that happen by their thought patterns and habits of thought. Habits of thought produce their effect in the body. The body is a delicate and plastic instrument that readily responds to the thoughts and emotions you impress upon it. One can indeed make one self ill, even deathly so by the routine habits of their thought patterns.

If you walk into a refrigerated box car that has been unplugged from service for years, but you believe firmly after the doors slam shut closing you up in there that it is on, and that you will freeze to death if you are not rescued soon, you will freeze to death and be found that way even tho the car was never on! It happened at least once documented by more than one author, Charles Berlitz to name one, police reports and witness testimony included. This is how powerful the thoughts you harbor, and beliefs you hold are and what they can do to alter, even drastically change one's reality if they are applied consciously.

Most chose instead to live the reality that was programmed into them as I said. The simple fact is someone, a third party with an agenda decided for all of those birthed into this reality that since they were not using their conscious minds all that much they would just go ahead and take care of that for them and make them live the reality of their making to better control them for their own twisted purposes. What SwamiDiva offers you is a way out of that programming and the thanks he gets is a slap in the head from the ignorant programmed sheeple so asleep they cannot even notice the gift horse staring them in the face!

Remember we are all one organism and all you see is that reflected back to yourself. Why ascend? Its a natural cycle of life and vibration. As this cycle here closes many humans that are ready may have raised their own light, their own vibration to the state of being that allows them to rise above the need of this type of matter connection. I do see some that will ascend above the needs to stay here this cycle and my intuition tells me that the numbers will be higher than ever before in this garden's history. These wonderful light beings of love will become the divine human we all hope to achieve eventually. While there are many names for this process the simple fact is this is how we grow according to the natural laws. Those humans not ready, that have not awakened and raised their vibration, their own voltage, will recycle through. Perhaps by the next cycle they will then rise to the occasion and be ready then.

This process is akin to being in the shower. Notice that at the nozzle the water is much hotter. As you stoop down it cools becoming more comfortable. Stoop even lower it is not that hot at all. Rest there a while, adapting to that temp. of the water and rise and you will note at some point it is almost too hot to continue on too fast. You must first let your body adjust to the desire to rise so you pause don't you? Yes and you then wait for the body to adjust to that and then you can get closer to the nozzle. This is the reason for many of the 'enlightened light workers' experiencing various aches, pains and so on. Some are wondering just what the heck is wrong with them as they are never sick. Allow yourself time to adjust. When you elevate faster than the body can keep up you will feel these things and this time in our cycle is famous for these things happening so rest easy. Offer up your pain and go with it. Bless it for the tremendous gift that it really is.

The simple fact is this is how we as one being grow and learn to know ourselves and reports will be that many people are missing once this cyle is completed. This will be much as the Anasazi just vanished apparently while right in the middle of meals leaving food on the plates even to be there when found by early settlers. This is the unending cycle of life. The idea that genetic manipulation of our DNA was done at some point is a correct one. We are genetically modified beings but remember, we are all one organism, one collective consciousness and we are just aspects of that conscious life permeating universe. We, the manipulative fingers of the awakening consciousness of the one did this to ourselves for the purpose of learning and growing and in order to know self. It is the proper order of life. There is nothing to fix or repair. This is how we grow.

Well put and well written. It is amazing to witness so many levels of consciousness in one thread. If there is a top someone has to be there, and if there is a bottom someone has to be there also, and on all the varying degrees in between, we are all playing our agreed part in this game of existence. Were all a synergy, creating a pyramid of life. Its beautiful really.

thetruepathofwisdom
17-12-2012, 07:51 AM
Consensus reality = that which was programmed into you without your knowledge. That which set in on your psyche since first becoming aware. Most people are caught up in this never being able to rise above it to even look at other possibility feeling stuck. This is sad but it is fact. Most never get to a point where they can 'reformat the disc' of their own harddrive in their mind as Terrance McKenna said it. Crossing the great sea as wisdom teachers have called it, is a major undertaking requiring much in the way of self discipline and exploration of self.

Consensus reality is that which traps you into this paradigm, and it is so ingrained that most feel it is ridiculous to suggest one can change their circumstances yet people do just that everyday. I can assure you if I still lived by the paradigm I grew up into that I'd be as poor, as unhealthy and as dependent on government handouts as the rest of my family. I wanted better and sought it and low and behold I actually got it. Universe is but a looking glass for consciousness. This is the only message here really. Alter your thoughts toward anything, people, places or things and instantly those people, places and things alter in your observations. It is this simple and can be that fast, in that instant or it can take many years of work. It is up to each to decide in their own being just where they wish to be and then make that happen by their thought patterns and habits of thought. Habits of thought produce their effect in the body. The body is a delicate and plastic instrument that readily responds to the thoughts and emotions you impress upon it. One can indeed make one self ill, even deathly so by the routine habits of their thought patterns.

If you walk into a refrigerated box car that has been unplugged from service for years, but you believe firmly after the doors slam shut closing you up in there that it is on, and that you will freeze to death if you are not rescued soon, you will freeze to death and be found that way even tho the car was never on! It happened at least once documented by more than one author, Charles Berlitz to name one, police reports and witness testimony included. This is how powerful the thoughts you harbor, and beliefs you hold are and what they can do to alter, even drastically change one's reality if they are applied consciously.

Most chose instead to live the reality that was programmed into them as I said. The simple fact is someone, a third party with an agenda decided for all of those birthed into this reality that since they were not using their conscious minds all that much they would just go ahead and take care of that for them and make them live the reality of their making to better control them for their own twisted purposes. What SwamiDiva offers you is a way out of that programming and the thanks he gets is a slap in the head from the ignorant programmed sheeple so asleep they cannot even notice the gift horse staring them in the face!

Remember we are all one organism and all you see is that reflected back to yourself. Why ascend? Its a natural cycle of life and vibration. As this cycle here closes many humans that are ready may have raised their own light, their own vibration to the state of being that allows them to rise above the need of this type of matter connection. I do see some that will ascend above the needs to stay here this cycle and my intuition tells me that the numbers will be higher than ever before in this garden's history. These wonderful light beings of love will become the divine human we all hope to achieve eventually. While there are many names for this process the simple fact is this is how we grow according to the natural laws. Those humans not ready, that have not awakened and raised their vibration, their own voltage, will recycle through. Perhaps by the next cycle they will then rise to the occasion and be ready then.

This process is akin to being in the shower. Notice that at the nozzle the water is much hotter. As you stoop down it cools becoming more comfortable. Stoop even lower it is not that hot at all. Rest there a while, adapting to that temp. of the water and rise and you will note at some point it is almost too hot to continue on too fast. You must first let your body adjust to the desire to rise so you pause don't you? Yes and you then wait for the body to adjust to that and then you can get closer to the nozzle. This is the reason for many of the 'enlightened light workers' experiencing various aches, pains and so on. Some are wondering just what the heck is wrong with them as they are never sick. Allow yourself time to adjust. When you elevate faster than the body can keep up you will feel these things and this time in our cycle is famous for these things happening so rest easy. Offer up your pain and go with it. Bless it for the tremendous gift that it really is.

The simple fact is this is how we as one being grow and learn to know ourselves and reports will be that many people are missing once this cyle is completed. This will be much as the Anasazi just vanished apparently while right in the middle of meals leaving food on the plates even to be there when found by early settlers. This is the unending cycle of life. The idea that genetic manipulation of our DNA was done at some point is a correct one. We are genetically modified beings but remember, we are all one organism, one collective consciousness and we are just aspects of that conscious life permeating universe. We, the manipulative fingers of the awakening consciousness of the one did this to ourselves for the purpose of learning and growing and in order to know self. It is the proper order of life. There is nothing to fix or repair. This is how we grow.

Well put tnt, you have a gift with words :) This resonates with me completely.

justin_pushka
17-12-2012, 10:10 AM
Please dont feed the paedo troll ppl lets keep this about 2012 and ascention. :)

manxboz
17-12-2012, 10:18 AM
Please dont feed the paedo troll ppl lets keep this about 2012 and ascention. :)

There is going to be no ascension on the 21st or in 2012. Where do people get these ideas from?

dont
17-12-2012, 10:20 AM
There is going to be no ascension on the 21st or in 2012. Where do people get these ideas from?

Correct. There won't be an ascension, but there will be an ascention. :)

manxboz
17-12-2012, 10:26 AM
Correct. There won't be an ascension, but there will be an ascention. :)

We all make mistakes from time to time. Some people just don't use spell checker.

zephirop
17-12-2012, 10:28 AM
We all make mistakes from time to time. Some people just don't use spell checker.

Your avatar makes me smile. :)

I hope married life is treating you well.

manxboz
17-12-2012, 10:30 AM
Your avatar makes me smile. :)

I hope married life is treating you well.

Thanks.

Married life is treating us well. I love my wife very much and love the country I moved too to be with her.

zephirop
17-12-2012, 10:34 AM
Thanks.

Married life is treating us well. I love my wife very much and love the country I moved too to be with her.

Good. :)

azureaura
17-12-2012, 10:46 AM
The way I see it, someone posted some information about 2012, and a whole bunch of keyboard warriors jump in and bring it down.

I agree with you on this. Also there was a dissapointing turnout after the Wembley talk at the meet, however for us who did go it was worth it.

macchoi
17-12-2012, 12:02 PM
Only a few more days left! Shall we place a bet? :D

I think those who are ready, will experience a shift.
I feel like the shift has already been taking place for quite some time now, and that perhaps around the end of the year, things will go up another notch. Or not.

It's like those who are aware will continue to shift up, while those who are skeptical and unaware, will continue to go downhill.

I sure hope I get some Jedi Powers out of this!

macchoi
17-12-2012, 12:12 PM
I thought it was understood that obama's re-election was the reason for, December 21, 2012?


:D

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1967/mayanagendarevealed.jpg

The Mayan Calendar is Actually an Agenda! (http://themacchoi.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-mayan-calendar-is-actually-agenda.html)

I have reason to believe that the Mayans are behind all of the world's major tragic events and natural disasters.

http://imageshack.us/a/img100/8503/vgrlj.jpg

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17-12-2012, 04:43 PM
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17-12-2012, 04:53 PM
How Darwin, Huxley, and the Esalen Institute launched the 2012 and psychedelic revolutions – and began one of the largest mind control operations in history.

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mindgames7
17-12-2012, 04:57 PM
Are the 3 days of darkness supposed to start at the end of today?

maccoy
17-12-2012, 05:24 PM
Something is going on. Alot of negitive in my life especially this last month has gone from me, users/so called friends, thoughts, fears, its all gone.

Something funky has happened that's for sure

pali_gap
17-12-2012, 06:50 PM
Me too I feel a lot more positive and relaxed this last month. I am inclined to say yeah the shift is happening, been accelerating for few last years and it will continue for quite some time in the future. Nothing to worry about. Nature doing its thing. ;)

I have established a many certainties in my life like:

we are all energetic beings powered by a consciousness at the moment inhabiting a human body.

we are multidimensional as existing in different "places" at once (even lives) purpose of which is uncertain but most definitively important.

the reality is multidimensional and can be roughly divided to: physical and nonphysical with the second bigger by a multitude of times.

we are almost on this planet as a prisoners but we have the power to "graduate" which makes this place not exactly prison. ?? some groups and entities use this veil of ignorance that we are enveloped like a thick fog and use it for their agendas. (some of those are most certainly energy feeding of us) But again we have the power to move away if we are ready, if our consciousness is of sufficient "quality".
My opinion is that we are "hooked" on the human experience somehow and would even suffer immensely to get it. It is our drug, and a very potent drug. The experience itself. Like a cosmic game we have to try no matter the consequences.

the planet is going to "shift". the change is inevitable and you can't stop it. the planet probably has a consciousness of its own and will initiate the change to heal itself. you had the time to get enough information and change yourself according to the information you have at your disposal.

life is endless as the possibilities. our level of consciousness is what in the end shape your day to day existence. Big responsibility, but that is the deal.


Something very interesting. 3 new large sunspots that make a triangle are rolling out of the sun disc and will probably face us directly just about 21.12 :)

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2012/17dec12/hmi4096_blank.jpg

little_miss
17-12-2012, 07:30 PM
Thank you, but those points you very astutely picked out, they can only be understood through the heart, the human mind is not capable of that level of understanding, and it is beyond my abilities to explain them here.. It may sound like a cop out, but it took me years of seeking, experimenting, researching, its was a long journey and it requires higher dimensional help and higher frequency to understand. I suggest you check, wendy kennedy, nora harold and the 9th, dimensional plieadian colective on youtube.

Illumination Matrix Channeling Session - 2012 LA Conscious Life Expo - Nora Herold & Wendy Kennedy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-78oQt9bjVI)

I DI's earlier books you will find references to the photon band, and plieadians.

At Wembly DI quoted one channel, Barbara Marciniak, from a book called Earth
she is a plieadian channel.

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This is the best i can do for you, sorry i hope it helps. i planted a seed that is all its up to you if you want it to grow.

(FULL FILM) ~ The Ceremony of Original Innocence ~ 2012 Stargate Celestial Alignment - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H9x5LanTr8)



Thank you :)

Its totally fine, I understand. There isn't always proof and its for us to do the searching ourselves so that we can make an informed decision.

I have a few Icke books and I'm considering re-reading them again.

I will research all the info you have given me.

Thanks

:)

little_miss
17-12-2012, 07:44 PM
I watched thunderbolts of the Gods. So science is turned on its arse. Thats good im skepyical of science. I had a friend a christian and a scientist, his hobby was to look for anomalies in science. He told me science has no coherence. He described science as a patchwork quilt, and each patch is a theory, they are held together tenuously by single pieces of thread. The quilt is continuously being repaired in a desperate attempt to keep it from falling apart.

The planets are electromagnetic, i am electromagnetic. We are all connected in a holographic whole. As above so below, could answer your question: How does the electric universe theory affect astrology?

As for: Is it an accurate depiction of the energetic programming our dna received at our birth/conception? I assume you mean astrology. Im not sure what modern astrologers say, astrology is ancient and they never considered dna as far as i am aware, as it is, a science and a highly intuitive art. Though solar based western astrology, as opposed to lunar based eastern astrology, originted in babylon, and the annunaki were genetic engineers, so who knows.

I dont use astrology anymore i am master of my own destiny.

If you want groundbreaking science that changes everything we think about DNA, but not only that, will change you whole life for the better, watch this
Its long because its actually 2 videos joined together, the first is the science. The second is how to use it to transform your life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU_0BwbNsH4

I watched all of this yesterday - AMAZING

All of you out there who think this is rubbish - watch the link above, give it your careful attention though. It really will change your life.

godspeed
17-12-2012, 09:32 PM
Thanks for that...very good time to be around for sure :)

truthseeker1980
17-12-2012, 10:02 PM
Interesting, OP I have come to very close almost identical conclusions on this matter as, I have always known.

Thing is the debunkers on the first page of this thread ain't even read it, they r pre programmed responses, they saw the thread title n had media hypnotistic responses, such as doom etc.

When in reality ur post says no such thing.

Azureaura, you from Harrow? Or was ur avatar of a wheelie bin sticker, taken after the wembley event?

fairyprincess
17-12-2012, 10:12 PM
Will all my dreams come true?.......

arcyclus
18-12-2012, 12:06 AM
:D

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1967/mayanagendarevealed.jpg

The Mayan Calendar is Actually an Agenda! (http://themacchoi.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-mayan-calendar-is-actually-agenda.html)

I have reason to believe that the Mayans are behind all of the world's major tragic events and natural disasters.

http://imageshack.us/a/img100/8503/vgrlj.jpg

Yep!

You gotta watch out for them mayans. :D

They didn't even make use of the wheel, but people are saying they are supposed to know about things well into the future? :D

swamideva
18-12-2012, 12:24 AM
Will all my dreams come true?.......

yes, just be careful what you dream

les_paul_robot
18-12-2012, 12:29 AM
The wheel is not advanced technology. It represents pointless round and round energy like it is when you're enslaved.

Something substantial is going to happen. I can feel it.