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yass
06-10-2012, 12:58 PM
Thought I'd do a bit more October 12th searching for whatever it's worth.


Some weird forum thread with the title:

Oct 12, 2012 in not the end of days.... FIND OUT WHY HERE!!!

http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1594

The title was the only instance in which I read that date. The OP and posts primarily talk about Callemen and the Mayan Calender.


Opening on October 12, 2012: The Obama Is Totally Awesome blockbuster movie

Well, the project is off to a great start. The writer has already been caught fibbing about his sources. The combination of Kathryn Bigelow and Mark Boal worked well in The Hurt Locker (I interviewed Boal twice before the film opened) and gave a fair presentation of the military, in most estimations; this film will almost certainly be worth the price of the ticket. That is, it will be if the film focuses on the bravery and accomplishment of the SEALs (an acronym that the NYT manages to get wrong in Dowd’s column — it’s not “Seals”) and not on Obama. Its opening date signals a different intent.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/07/opening-on-october-12-2012-the-obama-is-totally-awesome-blockbuster-movie/
What did he mean about a different intent?


Though the headline says The Obama movie opens on October 12th I cannot find it on this list of movies coming out on October 12th:

Movies Coming Out October 12, 2012

Movies Coming Out October 12, 2012: 3, 2, 1... Frankie Go Boom • A Whisper to a Roar • Argo • Atlas Shrugged Part II • Grave Encounters 2 • Here Comes the Boom • Least Among Saints • Middle of Nowhere • Nobody Walks • Seven Psychopaths • Simon and the Oaks • Sinister • Smashed • Smiley • Special Forces • War of Buttons

www.movieinsider.com/movies/october/2012/12/


I don't know why that many movies would come out on the same day, October 12th, but that is what the page says.

marpat
06-10-2012, 01:17 PM
I swear this girl is going to turn up on the 12th October, it just wouldn't surprise me at all. If she does, it has esoteric ritual bullshit stamped all over it. :mad:

The area she's gone missing in has got enormous significance to Crowley as well....

Is that so? can you give some factual details on what you claim and why this abduction should have any sort of relation to that?

marpat
06-10-2012, 01:19 PM
I searched using October 12th and Ritual. Here are some of the results:










Aha. I changed the word ritual to occult.






Well, I've figured it out you were referring to Crowley.

Well Crowley had to be born on some day didnt he?

The question is then, what on earth would be the significance of an abduction on that date?

lobuk
06-10-2012, 01:46 PM
SUSPICION of murder. They obviously have something on him but without a body they can do him for murder

Suspicion and charge are of course different but if they had something big on him that lead them to add suspicion of murder on top of abduction, then you would think they would have enough to charge him. If no body is found and they charge him with murder, then it will be a lot harder to prove and a lot of the evidence could be circumstantial. Maybe they have some very strong and damning forensic evidence and are just holding off with the charge aslong as they can in the hope that they find the body first.

I guess we will find out in the next couple of hours one way or another.

duckingdafta
06-10-2012, 01:53 PM
The area she's gone missing in has got enormous significance to Crowley as well....

can you explain more on this.

I believe Led Zeppelin stopped at Bron-Yr-Aur which is close and also Page bought plenty Crowley stuff [Boleskine House]

herbes
06-10-2012, 02:18 PM
I think the same with the Jimmy Savile circus too, Herbes.

yes that seems to of slid out of sight now

herbes
06-10-2012, 02:19 PM
It's really grating me that the Saville affair has taken a back seat during this. There seems to be many connections all over the shop and if the lid blows open on it there won't be so many little girls missing. :(

yes we havnt realy heard of the full extent of that have we , and all that knew about his goings on

hokuspokus
06-10-2012, 02:28 PM
Surely you would only use "suspician of murder" if you knew 100% the child
was dead , else you risk looking like Cluseau should she turn up alive and well hidden in a bunk bed at a friend of the familys like Shannon Matthews.

I suspect that the authorities only want professional search teams looking so that they can now plant the body at a location which is connected to the suspect without Joe Public getting in the way. Also, i fear that items of the girls clothing will be found in bins near to homes/former homes of the suspect. Something doesnt seem right to me over this.

marpat
06-10-2012, 02:43 PM
Suspicion and charge are of course different but if they had something big on him that lead them to add suspicion of murder on top of abduction, then you would think they would have enough to charge him. If no body is found and they charge him with murder, then it will be a lot harder to prove and a lot of the evidence could be circumstantial. Maybe they have some very strong and damning forensic evidence and are just holding off with the charge aslong as they can in the hope that they find the body first.

I guess we will find out in the next couple of hours one way or another.

They must have something. You cant even arrest somebody unless you have something to go on.

I think the only way they can charge him with murder without a body would be if somebody actualy saw him do it or he confessed to it.

marpat
06-10-2012, 02:47 PM
can you explain more on this.

I believe Led Zeppelin stopped at Bron-Yr-Aur which is close and also Page bought plenty Crowley stuff [Boleskine House]

Again I would ask, what is the link? is somebody trying to claim a child sacrifice?

Famously Crowley was taken to court accused of promoting such a thing in his books. He was proven innocent because he was basically writing about what some earlier occultists had claimed was the ideal sacrifice, a MALE child of high intelligence. Even so, Crowleys work clearly identifies this male child as the sperm, the sacrifice being any sex magic act that does not result in a pregnancy, which is why he manages to do this 150 times (or thereabouts) in his diaries.

In this light, if people are trying to make such a link it is not accurate

lobuk
06-10-2012, 02:52 PM
They must have something. You cant even arrest somebody unless you have something to go on.

I think the only way they can charge him with murder without a body would be if somebody actualy saw him do it or he confessed to it.

Yep.

They have till until around 4:50pm this afternoon i think and then they have to either release him or charge him. Im guessing it will be a charge looking at the way its panned out.

tptb
06-10-2012, 03:23 PM
Press conference before 4pm.

tptb
06-10-2012, 03:35 PM
Charged with murder, child abduction and charged with perverting the course of justice.

lobuk
06-10-2012, 03:35 PM
He has been charged with Abduction, Murder and perverting the course of justice.

lobuk
06-10-2012, 03:36 PM
Same time tptb LoL :D

tptb
06-10-2012, 03:38 PM
Yeah. So how have they come to this conclusion and why so late in the time frame? I'm still not convinced.

lobuk
06-10-2012, 03:58 PM
Typical shite news conference. Still non the wiser with anything other than he has been charged and the search continues. We can only speculate on what evidence they have.

nwonow
06-10-2012, 04:02 PM
If they believed he has killed her they can charge him with murder. They require neither body nor witnesses. Proving murder in court without body, witnesses or other compelling evidence such as ripped girls manu tops in his bin is a little more tricky.

tptb
06-10-2012, 04:09 PM
If they believed he has killed her they can charge him with murder. They require neither body nor witnesses. Proving murder in court without body, witnesses or other compelling evidence such as ripped girls manu tops in his bin is a little more tricky.

Why he put those Man Utd tops in his bin, I'll never know.

nwonow
06-10-2012, 04:30 PM
Why he put those Man Utd tops in his bin, I'll never know.
He didn't even burn them properly, and he had days and days to sort it out properly before them being found.

thecatsmeow
06-10-2012, 06:18 PM
Mark Bridger, 46, is charged with the murder and abduction of missing schoolgirl April Jones, five

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213802/Mark-Bridger-charged-abduction-murder-year-old-April-Jones.html#ixzz28XYzMIlj
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milly
06-10-2012, 07:00 PM
Yes it refers to Alastair Crowleys birthday, He a loved climbing the mountains in that area and of course it relates to all the weird shit he wrote about. He wrote a book called Liber 777 which is revered by the bastards in control and the number 777 can been found in over many things in The Uk, not just 7/7/2005. I noticed straight away that she went missing on a date that adds upto 7 at 7pm. Someone also noticed she was making the 666 sign in the hamster photo which is the number Crowley identified himself with. Furthermore if she does turn up on his birthday, it will be 11 days since the story broke and it would be his 137th birthday which of course adds up the the magic number 11. What better way to celebrate his birthday than with a spot of child sacrifice and covering facebook in pink ribbons!

This is just mere conjecture at the moment, if it turns out this way, best to keep an open mind eh!

herbes
06-10-2012, 08:23 PM
Yes it refers to Alastair Crowleys birthday, He a loved climbing the mountains in that area and of course it relates to all the weird shit he wrote about. He wrote a book called Liber 777 which is revered by the bastards in control and the number 777 can been found in over many things in The Uk, not just 7/7/2005. I noticed straight away that she went missing on a date that adds upto 7 at 7pm. Someone also noticed she was making the 666 sign in the hamster photo which is the number Crowley identified himself with. Furthermore if she does turn up on his birthday, it will be 11 days since the story broke and it would be his 137th birthday which of course adds up the the magic number 11. What better way to celebrate his birthday than with a spot of child sacrifice and covering facebook in pink ribbons!

This is just mere conjecture at the moment, if it turns out this way, best to keep an open mind eh!

interesting you picked up on that

silkie
06-10-2012, 08:48 PM
I reckon the grey stripe on the van would have been most visible at that time of night and so would be in the kids head more than the dark blue - that is why she said grey.

There is a timeline from 7pm right through to the following day around 3pm I think where the police don't have any witnesses as to where he was.

You'd think the neighbours would have seen or heard his car come back to his house - so this is strange.

We have to be careful what we say as he is being charged now.

So my only thoughts are that they either need a body or witness to prove this case. Maybe they have other evidence - I'd rather wait and see than discuss it anymore as I don't want a possible child killer free because the case was talked about too much.

Personally I think the UK should get rid of the press first before blaming the government for everything.

They stick they're noses in where it isn't wanted, rile up wars, print photos of royals in the nude - basically do anything to sell papers - but at what cost?

Murderers walking free? Wars?

If you pass a car crash its hard not to take a look - but you'd rather not - these papers write any trash just to make us look - and we do -
but I still think you can blame them more than us.

How they have covered this news story is terrible.
They ask awful questions, say sickening things - accuse people without knowing all the facts - and can't get basic facts correct before going to print.

When I first heard this story she was said to have been wearing her school trousers and shirt - then it changed to the gingham school dress which was shown in the photo - so which was correct? And don't you think this is kind of an important fact to be putting into print?

I think the press should be fined for any false information written.

And if you want to know where all those school bullies you knew as a child went to work just look at the D M paper.

All the articles are written by bullies - they put women over 40 down, anyone that is growing old down basically - they bitch constantly about people's weight.
Most of these articles if spoken out loud to someones face would give someone a good case in court of bullying behaviour.

It's not just the tabloids either - these days even Sky news, BBC etc.. they all are in your face.

And for goodness sake - a child goes missing and the mother is on TV doing her plea and she can't lift her face up because there are hundreds of camera flashes going off in her face.

Where is the common sense these days? Someone (in the police probably) should have told everyone no flashes until she had said her speech.

Things like this just show how the press don't give a shite about people - they just want to sell a story.

Yes phones can be traced - and yes that could save someones life - but there is a world of difference between carrying a phone that you still have the freedom to throw away if you want - or having a microchip placed in your skin that takes way your freedom.

That is a huge step - one that should never be taken.
In Revelations chapter in the Bible those found with the mark of the devil in their hand will be destroyed - if you believe in the Bible or not - you surely know someone that has had a warning dream come true - scientifically you can prove that time does not exist so to see the future is possible.

So don't take that microchip with 666 on it. Maybe we have nano chips in our vaccinations already? Who knows. But don't knowingly do this - for any reason.

They sell small mobile phones now - to give one to your child to carry is okay if they are playing somewhere with friends - at their house for example - its not for using, just for emergencies. If its on they can be tracked.
If they make a smaller tracker I'd get my kids to wear them as a badge - yes.

But if the Angels come down and start killing us - they can always throw it away...;)

Technology can be used for good and bad. There is no reason why cars can't be made only to do 70MPH.
No reason why the internet can't be blocked from porn.
No reason why we would have to have a microchip inside us.

Other than there are bad people out there with bad agendas usually trying to get rich from others misery.

illuminumnuts
06-10-2012, 10:33 PM
He didn't even burn them properly, and he had days and days to sort it out properly before them being found.

The most worrying thing about Huntley's conviction, for me anyway, is that he was packed off to the Rampton psychiatric hospital before trial.

beastcop156
06-10-2012, 11:22 PM
April Jones: Mark Bridger was at school parents’ evening

He was at Machynlleth primary school on Monday evening, where his Land Rover Discovery was parked in a one-way street and blocked in other parents.

Witnesses have described seeing Mr Bridger driving “erratically” through the estate where April lived an hour before she was abducted.

There were reports last night that two women had told police they saw a man carrying a bin bag to a river the day after April disappeared.

He was allegedly seen scrambling down a bank near where April went missing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9588326/April-Jones-Mark-Bridger-was-at-school-parents-evening.html


^^^

on the link you gave above yass: doing a Ctrl + about 8 or 9 times, until I could see what appears to be a man carrying something, is it normal to be able to see through a human figure like this?

It could be due to his walking or something.....right?

This is not that abnormal right ???

silkie
07-10-2012, 12:25 AM
He has been charged with perverting the course of justice.
Isn't that usually for cases where you knock someone over and hide the body?

Doesn't that fit in with the car being in a garage and the front covered up?

And the fact that he doesn't fit the profile of a child abuser?

I said that earlier - now I think this is what may have happened.

There were many reports of his bad driving around that area.

Still - even an accident - to cover it up that way would be a horrible thing to do - especially by a family man - I hope she gets found for the family's sake.

badtv
07-10-2012, 12:25 AM
Kay Burley showing her true colours...

Kay Burley breaks news of April Jones' murder investigation to volunteers.. LIVE - YouTube

paolo
07-10-2012, 01:00 AM
http://pedophileringilluminati.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/characteristics-of-illuminati-abduction.html

Characteristics of an Illuminati Abduction
23 Oct, 2009
Author: Kiya |
In working these cases, there were many commonalities I found among them:
Surveillance
The child to be abducted will be under surveillance for up to months before the actual abduction takes place. Rarely will anyone in the family witness this, or if they do, they attach no significance to it at the time. The Illuminati are surveillance freaks - they are literally obsessed with surveillance. They will know everything about your child right up to and including a nickname your child may have. They will know what route your child takes to school and the method of transportation to get your child there. They will know your child's schedule as well as every member of your family's schedules.
Child Will Likely Be Alone
In the vast majority of these abductions, the child will be alone at the time he/she is abducted.
Child Disappears Quickly
The abducted child will be gone within a matter of 2-8 minutes, seemingly having "vanished without a trace". These are professional abductors who know what they're doing as they've been doing it for decades!
Abduction Teams
There's increasing evidence these abductors work in teams with one female being involved. She may not be involved until the child is placed in a transfer car and not be present at the actual abduction.
Color of Vehicles
The majority of the time a white, blue or red vehicle is involved not only in surveillance but in the actual abduction. (The reason for this is discussed in other sections of the blog). In addition, white cargo style vans have not only been used for surveillance, but as rolling abduction vehicles on wheels. In addition, there's evidence they're used for transport when the child is transferred from the abduction sedan to these vans. There's a separate section of the blog dedicated to these white vans.
Drugging
Often the child will be drugged to immediately subdue him/her. The Illuminati appears to favor 2 drugs to do this - either chloraform or GHB. Most often, it appears choloraform is used.
Children Abducted From Bedrooms
More recently, these abductors have become so brazen they're abducting children right from their own bedrooms with the family asleep in the house. This was the case with Maddie McCann, Jon Benet Ramsey, Jessica Lunsford, etc.
County, State, National Lines of Jurisdiction
Often the abduction will take place very close to a county or state line or even a national border. This is so the abductors can cross into another jurisdiction to make case prosecution harder were they ever caught and to generally "muddy the waters" in the case. The Illuminati excel at "muddying the waters" and deception.
Satanic Holidays & Child's Birthday
Most often the child will be abducted just prior to or on a satanic holiday. This is especially true of the children who are abducted for satanic ritual sacrifice versus being forced into the Illuminati pedophile ring. In addition, often the child will be abducted just prior to their upcoming birthday. (The most important satanic holiday being one's own birthday)
http://members.cox.net/lop1/SRAcalendar.html
Mind Control
At times, the child and/or at least one of the child's family members will exhibit symptoms of Illuminati/CIA mind control programming having been employed on them. There's a separate section about this mind control.
Satanic Activity
There may be rumors of satanic activity in the geographic area of the abduction. In some cases, when remains were found, signs of satanic rituals were left behind. While your first impulse might be to dismiss this, I would highly recommend you not do that.
Stall The Investigation
When you report a child missing, the investigating law enforcement agency will "stall" the investigation to allow the abductors to cross those jurisdictional lines and even get the child out of the country if he's to be put in their pedophile ring. There are several ways the cops do this:
1. Insist the child is a runaway - to all evidence to the contrary
2. Keep searches in the immediate area of abduction and not expand them (if at all) to a much broader search area. Or they may cancel a search quickly, without explanation, altogether.
3. Fail to issue an Amber Alert.
4. Deliberately "botch" the handling of the investigation.
FBI and D.A.'s
They help cover up these crimes so that the finger of suspicion never points at the Illuminati government and/or law enforcement. In order to accomplish this, the FBI will very quickly step into the investigation, taking control of that investigation from local law enforcement. At times, a D.A.'s office or even the State Attorney General's Office will step in as well to ensure they maintain control of the case.
Evidence
The cops will then "lose", destroy, tamper with and even plant evidence to begin to set up the "fall guy" that will take the rap for their abduction crime.
Media Control & The Fall Guy
Media control is the most basic form of mind control in that by controlling what's released to you about these cases (even if it's an outright lie), these sickos can then form your opinions about the case and the "fall guy" they've set up. Most often this "fall guy" will be a pedophile with a history of pedophila - who better to get you to blame and take the fall? You want to convict a pedophile!
Other times, they will focus the investigation on a family member, especially one who might have a criminal history. They will do this while ignoring evidence that points to anyone else but their intended fall guy.
Whisking The Child Away
If the child is slotted to be put in their pedophile ring, a photo of your child will likely have already been sent to an overseas buyer for your child, so he can approve your child. They will move very quickly in getting your child out of the country and to that buyer.
Discrediting Credible Witnesses
Any witnesses with pertinent information about the abduction, whose testimony might swing the finger of guilt in the direction of these Illuminati perpetrators are then quickly discredited by police. Either that credible witness is declared "unreliable" or "mentally ill" by police.
Suspicious Deaths Surrounding Investigation
From time to time, suspicious deaths of those who "know too much" in regards to the investigation of your child will be outright murdered to silence them permanently about what they know. There are many ways the Illuminati accomplishes these deaths:
1. They like to blow up planes
2. They will perform a "kill by car" op in which the person will die in a vehicular "accident"
3. They will induce a heart attack with technology they have to do this
4. The person will be made to look like they committed suicide
Those seem to be their most favored methods but there are many more they use.

It is rare a child or his/her remains are found after abducted by these professionals. However, if remains are recovered, these are commonalities when they are:


Densely Wooded Areas
In nearly every case, the abducted child's remains were discovered in a remote, densely wooded area. Government-owned land like state parks seem to be a particular favorite.
Throat Trauma
In a large number of cases, throat trauma of some kind is found - from hanging, strangling, etc.
Sexual Abuse and Torture
The Illuminati are primarily male and homosexual and they are extremely sexually deviant. In addition, they love to torture. In fact, they do it within their own cult, to their own children, beginning at age 2. So it's little wonder most abductees are sexually abused and tortured.
Burying Alive and Dismemberment
Many victims are found to have been buried alive or dismembered. (Dismemberment being part of some of their satanic holiday celebrations) In the case of dismemberment, body parts will often be dumped in more than one location to make them harder to find and identification more difficult.

Favored Abduction Sites

While these professionals can abduct a child from anywhere within literally minutes, there do appear to be some favored abduction sites repeating themselves throughout these cases.

Most of these kids are generally abducted very close to home. In several cases, they were abducted right in front of witnesses and even their own parents!

Other Trends to Watch For

I usually don't consider something a repeating pattern in these abductions unless I see it cropping up in at least 5 cases. But I am going to mention a couple things I've seen repeat less than 5 times so far, just so you can be on the lookout for these repeating patterns in other child abduction cases.

Bridge Construction
In at least 4 abductions of females, bridge construction was occuring near their homes when they were abducted. This could very well be coincidence. However, bridge construction is part of the Illuminati takeover agenda, as they've recently begun a campaign of fortifying bridges to bear the weight of transport vehicles that will take everyone to their 800 concentration camps in this country once martial law is declared. For that reason, I feel compelled to mention these 4 cases where bridge construction was being done near the abductees' homes.

References to Ford
In at least 4 cases thus far, "Ford" has cropped up in some form - vehicles, "Fairlane", Ford Hill Road, blue Ford bus, etc.

"The fourth factor is the enormous influence wielded by two similar organizations, The Council of Foreign Relations in the USA and the Royal Institute of International Affairs in England. These institutions are schools for statesmen, Illuminati statesmen. They are the stamping grounds of men such as Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinksi and Lord Carrington. These two "think tanks" have a crucial influence on all US and British governments, no matter which party is "in power". The statesmen produced by these institutions can and do decide the fate of nations.The tax-exempt foundations are also instruments of Illuminati power. The Ford foundation and the Rockefeller foundation are two prominent examples of this type of "charitable" institution. They were heavily involved in supporting various communist powers when the cold war was at its height. Communism versus capitalism arms race = more money and power for the Illuminati."

Is this why various references to Ford are appearing in some of these cases?

Member of a Church
I'm beginning to see more mention of these abducted children being involved in their family's churches. This makes perfect sense from an Illuminati standpoint, as the Illuminati hate Christians or anyone who walks a "right hand path", even going so far to speak with glee on Capitol Hill about the day rapidly coming when they can start executing Christians.

Discrediting Tracking Dogs
Police discrediting their own tracking dogs is also cropping up more and more in these cases, especially it appears, when their dogs "hit" and/or then lose a scent, indicating the child may have been placed in a car and driven from the area. I've seen these dogs work personally and they don't make mistakes for the most part so when these dogs "hit" on something, police would need to discredit it to keep the abducted child from being found or the fact they were rapidly transported away from the abduction scene.

velma
07-10-2012, 01:03 AM
On a side note, I watched ‘The Story of Wales’ presented by Huw Edwards and of the many thousands of Welsh towns, Machynlleth was the only one mentioned in this programme.

In light of recent events, I found that to be rather coincidental.

It was in the context of a Nationalist uprising against English rule and Machynlleth played host to the first (and last) Welsh Parliament and the Coronation of Owain Glyndwr as Prince of Wales.

The rebellion was brutally crushed 600 years ago and subsequently, every Prince of Wales has traditionally been the English Monarch’s heir.

Now, rather than being remembered for this historic revolt, the town of Machynlleth will forever be traumatised and associated with a ghastly child murder.
 

streetlife
07-10-2012, 01:06 AM
Kay Burley showing her true colours...

Kay Burley breaks news of April Jones' murder investigation to volunteers.. LIVE - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrml2jVJ4ao&feature=g-logo-xit)

There is someting bitchy about her but i find her very attractive for some reason not sure why.

velma
07-10-2012, 01:23 AM
Mark Bridger's father worked in the MET police for 30 years and was a royal protection officer who guarded the Queen Mother.

Maurice Hartigan — the boyfriend of Bridger’s sister Karen — said: “His old man was a serving copper."

“He used to escort the Queen Mum around.”

paolo
07-10-2012, 01:26 AM
On a slightly farcical note, I hear the msm broadcasters more and more pronounce the town "mahuntlyth' rather that the more realistic " macuntlyth", though of course the " ch" should be gutteral and the change from the "n" sound and and the rolled "ll" produces a phantom "t" sound. Oversensitivity on the part of the broadcast medium

troofyoof
07-10-2012, 02:22 AM
There is someting bitchy about her but i find her very attractive for some reason not sure why.

that is what her ex colleague/boyfriend said LOL

chappyhova
07-10-2012, 04:01 AM
Haven't read too much into this but I did come across the hang Mark Bridger Facebook group and have been looking at it quite often today. I'm totally astounded by the worryingly low levels of intelligence of some people.

It's really opened my eyes as to how much power the media has, I mean I knew it had a lot because I see it in my friends but they aren't half as bad as these people on Facebook.

Comments like "he woz on the news, y wud they put him on d news if it woznt im", "they've charged im so obv they av evidince agenst him, wot mor proof dyou want?" I've just been sat their completely baffled by it all. I tried to reason with a few of them, I told them obviously he isn't guilty yet and all I got was abuse calling me a pedo or a pedo lover etc.

71,000 likes and counting that group has, I'm just stunned.

catnap
07-10-2012, 09:55 AM
The parents need to take responsibility for letting a five year old kid out playing at 7pm at night when its nearly dark! Yes I am sad for them but not nearly as sad as I am for the little girl.

amethyst2009
07-10-2012, 09:59 AM
The parents need to take responsibility for letting a five year old kid out playing at 7pm at night when its nearly dark! Yes I am sad for them but not nearly as sad as I am for the little girl.

As usual the child has been let down by all those around her, we have seen this before, whatever happened to the child, adults are the cause of her demise.

catnap
07-10-2012, 10:02 AM
As usual the child has been let down by all those around her, we have seen this before, whatever happened to the child, adults are the cause of her demise.

Absolutely.

tptb
07-10-2012, 12:03 PM
http://www.facebook.com/HangMarkBridger

Someone said they had been reading comments people were posting on Facebook, is this the thread? Some people are terrible.

chappyhova
07-10-2012, 12:08 PM
http://www.facebook.com/HangMarkBridger

Someone said they had been reading comments people were posting on Facebook, is this the thread? Some people are terrible.

Yes that's it. That's all I was pointing out that I can't believe some people's attitude and how they are lead by the media, then that lad starts going off on a big angry rant for whatever reason.

velma
07-10-2012, 12:25 PM
I don’t understand what would make a normal family man wake up one morning and decide to abduct and murder a small child. Surely such an individual would have a shady history, a criminal record or shit-loads of child porn on his computer?

Ben Edwards, a neighbour, said: “He is a nice guy, and absolutely brilliant with his son and daughter. He was always putting his kids first.” He said Mr Bridger was “into his cars” and was “never the type to cause any trouble whatsoever”.

About his car, a witness said: “He was crashing the gears, making a hell of a noise. There was an almighty bang.” Police seized Bridger’s Land Rover that afternoon. But that would explain why he took it to the garage for maintenance and walked home.

A pensioner saw a car cruising up and down before April vanished, but he didn’t say it was making a helluva noise or backfiring like Bridger’s dark Land Rover Discovery with it’s distinctive stripe.

The children described a light coloured van and Detective Superintendent Reg Bevan said, “The colour has not changed, that’s as we initially gave it - grey.” Some accounts say April entered the vehicle willingly, other accounts say she was lured

Mr Bevan said the force would be combing through CCTV, both municipal and private, to find clues about the abduction, but we have heard no more about CCTV images which would confirm the whereabouts of Bridger’s car during the time period.

By releasing Bridger’s image prematurely to the press, the public have already convicted him. Some want him water-boarded to confess, others want him strung up. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

No body has been found, so it is beyond me why Bridger has been charged with murder so soon after the event. Knowing how quickly they can implicate and frame a patsy, I am increasing thinking Mark Bridger is just that.

ozpixie
07-10-2012, 01:01 PM
I don’t understand what would make a normal family man wake up one morning and decide to abduct and murder a small child. Surely such an individual would have a shady history, a criminal record or shit-loads of child porn on his computer?

Ben Edwards, a neighbour, said: “He is a nice guy, and absolutely brilliant with his son and daughter. He was always putting his kids first.” He said Mr Bridger was “into his cars” and was “never the type to cause any trouble whatsoever”.

About his car, a witness said: “He was crashing the gears, making a hell of a noise. There was an almighty bang.” Police seized Bridger’s Land Rover that afternoon. But that would explain why he took it to the garage for maintenance and walked home.

A pensioner saw a car cruising up and down before April vanished, but he didn’t say it was making a helluva noise or backfiring like Bridger’s dark Land Rover Discovery with it’s distinctive stripe.

The children described a light coloured van and Detective Superintendent Reg Bevan said, “The colour has not changed, that’s as we initially gave it - grey.” Some accounts say April entered the vehicle willingly, other accounts say she was lured

Mr Bevan said the force would be combing through CCTV, both municipal and private, to find clues about the abduction, but we have heard no more about CCTV images which would confirm the whereabouts of Bridger’s car during the time period.

By releasing Bridger’s image prematurely to the press, the public have already convicted him. Some want him water-boarded to confess, others want him strung up. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

No body has been found, so it is beyond me why Bridger has been charged with murder so soon after the event. Knowing how quickly they can implicate and frame a patsy, I am increasing thinking Mark Bridger is just that.

As usual, a well thought out comment Velma, and I reckon you are bang on with this man being a patsy. Poor little kid.

mondo23
07-10-2012, 01:03 PM
Haven't read too much into this but I did come across the hang Mark Bridger Facebook group and have been looking at it quite often today. I'm totally astounded by the worryingly low levels of intelligence of some people.

It's really opened my eyes as to how much power the media has, I mean I knew it had a lot because I see it in my friends but they aren't half as bad as these people on Facebook.

Comments like "he woz on the news, y wud they put him on d news if it woznt im", "they've charged im so obv they av evidince agenst him, wot mor proof dyou want?" I've just been sat their completely baffled by it all. I tried to reason with a few of them, I told them obviously he isn't guilty yet and all I got was abuse calling me a pedo or a pedo lover etc.

71,000 likes and counting that group has, I'm just stunned.

71,000 likes? That's more than the main Help Find April fb page which is at 49,255.
That's very telling about what a lot of people really care about. It seems that to some of these people it's not about finding the little girl but exacting revenge on a man that may have murdered her.

yass
07-10-2012, 01:18 PM
I closed the tabs out earlier but one of them the headline was Suspects Son Joins Search for April

Scott Williams joined hundreds of volunteers scouring the rugged countryside around Machynlleth for the missing five year–old.

Mr Williams, 19, said that he had only met his father for the first time a few months ago, and that Mr Bridger's arrest was nothing to do with his family.

"He has never been in my life. I have only met him on a couple of occasions like down the local pub – he's been there a couple of times that I've been there," Mr Williams told Sky News.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9585824/April-Jones-suspects-son-joined-the-search.html


Former colleagues of Mr Bridger, 46, were also among those who spent hours in pouring rain searching the hills and valleys around the town.


Geraint Vince, owner of Mid and West Wales Welding Ltd, where the suspect once worked as a sub–contractor, said that he had closed his factory on Tuesday to join the search. He and his staff covered many miles on off–road vehicles. Mr Vince said: "When I got back and heard who had been arrested my heart sank. I just hope they find her safe and sound."
Whatever he means by that.


I'm sure I read that April's parents recently got married. Here we go.
Mrs Raftree, who has known the family for eight years, said that April’s parents had only recently married and that her older sister Jasmine, 16, joined the hundreds of others who had been helping with the search.

Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212244/April--bubbly-little-girl-smiling.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

So, they're calling the dogs in I read somewhere.

yass
07-10-2012, 01:31 PM
Here's another that goes on to say...

'I've been looking since she went missing': Teenage son of Mark Bridger joins search for April as police are given another 36 hours to question him over 'abduction'

Scott Williams, 19, says his father has 'never been in his life' but said he has 'never done anything to anyone'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212257/April-Jones-Suspect-Mark-Bridgers-son-joins-search-help-missing-April.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3 Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DRebecca%2BEvans&videoPlayerURL=http%3A%2F%2Fc.brightcove.com%2Fser vices%2Fviewer%2Ffederated_f9%3FisVid%3D1%26isUI%3 D1%26publisherID%3D1418450360%26playerID%3D7248435 9001%26domain%3Dembed%26videoId%3D&hasBCVideo=true&BCVideoID=1874632540001

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2212257-1554DE4B000005DC-448_634x405.jpg

practicaltheorist
07-10-2012, 01:39 PM
Interesting to see how a lot of usually rational people turn in to a lynch mob when things like this happens. Its like the wild west all over again... Have we learned nothing? Yes, if he has done it he deserves appropriate punishment. But not revenge. An eye for an eye will soon leave the world blind, as someone has said.

He deserves justice, and thats not the same as revenge. Getting back at someone is very satisfying, but mistaking it for justice drags us down to the perpetrators level and thats not beneficial for anyone.

yass
07-10-2012, 01:47 PM
I forgot I was going to wonder out loud, once again, if Mark Bridger was concerned about her disappearance and tried to help search for her.

I have a feeling he did not and that it would be in the news if he had.

I certainly don't know if he's involved in her disappearance either but I don't mind gathering details.

I keep thinking about how April said to the friend who begged her not to get in the car "It's okay I know them". Them?

nofuture
07-10-2012, 02:13 PM
There is someting bitchy about her but i find her very attractive for some reason not sure why.

She reminds me of a lot of women of her age, hard faced, bitter about not being in their prime anymore and hateful about anyone but the Alpha Males they think they should be shacked up with.

Just saying.

greatdayforfreedom
07-10-2012, 02:26 PM
Sadly, I believe this girl will never be seen again, dead or alive.

reptileslayer
07-10-2012, 02:59 PM
I don’t understand what would make a normal family man wake up one morning and decide to abduct and murder a small child. Surely such an individual would have a shady history, a criminal record or shit-loads of child porn on his computer?

Ben Edwards, a neighbour, said: “He is a nice guy, and absolutely brilliant with his son and daughter. He was always putting his kids first.” He said Mr Bridger was “into his cars” and was “never the type to cause any trouble whatsoever”.

About his car, a witness said: “He was crashing the gears, making a hell of a noise. There was an almighty bang.” Police seized Bridger’s Land Rover that afternoon. But that would explain why he took it to the garage for maintenance and walked home.

A pensioner saw a car cruising up and down before April vanished, but he didn’t say it was making a helluva noise or backfiring like Bridger’s dark Land Rover Discovery with it’s distinctive stripe.

The children described a light coloured van and Detective Superintendent Reg Bevan said, “The colour has not changed, that’s as we initially gave it - grey.” Some accounts say April entered the vehicle willingly, other accounts say she was lured

Mr Bevan said the force would be combing through CCTV, both municipal and private, to find clues about the abduction, but we have heard no more about CCTV images which would confirm the whereabouts of Bridger’s car during the time period.

By releasing Bridger’s image prematurely to the press, the public have already convicted him. Some want him water-boarded to confess, others want him strung up. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

No body has been found, so it is beyond me why Bridger has been charged with murder so soon after the event. Knowing how quickly they can implicate and frame a patsy, I am increasing thinking Mark Bridger is just that.
You are making some good points velma, this whole thing has been very odd right from the start of it on last monday night.

catnap
07-10-2012, 03:36 PM
I don’t understand what would make a normal family man wake up one morning and decide to abduct and murder a small child. Surely such an individual would have a shady history, a criminal record or shit-loads of child porn on his computer?

Ben Edwards, a neighbour, said: “He is a nice guy, and absolutely brilliant with his son and daughter. He was always putting his kids first.” He said Mr Bridger was “into his cars” and was “never the type to cause any trouble whatsoever”.

Yep because as we all know paedophiles have it tattooed right across their foreheads dont they :rolleyes:

the nine
07-10-2012, 03:47 PM
Yep because as we all know paedophiles have it tattooed right across their foreheads dont they :rolleyes:

Eh?

I think you are missing the point
He has not been proven to be anything yet..
He has been charged, that's all!

We know the police are under pressure to alleviate the mind of the public ASAP in situations like this..

Remember when that architect was found on Christmas day in Bristol and the police arrested the strange looking landlord
How much shit did he suffer?

Don't jump to conclusions based up police actions is my advice

velma
07-10-2012, 04:16 PM
Yep because as we all know paedophiles have it tattooed right across their foreheads dont they :rolleyes:

Oh! I didn't know Bridger was a paedophile! Where did you hear that?

Just because the paedo-infested police infer his guilt, endorsed by Murdoch’s paedo-protecting press, it must be true?

Personally, I’d prefer to see the incontrovertible evidence first.

lobuk
07-10-2012, 05:08 PM
Eh?

I think you are missing the point
He has not been proven to be anything yet..
He has been charged, that's all!

We know the police are under pressure to alleviate the mind of the public ASAP in situations like this..

Remember when that architect was found on Christmas day in Bristol and the police arrested the strange looking landlord
How much shit did he suffer?

Don't jump to conclusions based up police actions is my advice

Oh! I didn't know Bridger was a paedophile! Where did you hear that?

Just because the paedo-infested police infer his guilt, endorsed by Murdoch’s paedo-protecting press, it must be true?

Personally, I’d prefer to see the incontrovertible evidence first.

Spot on. I wouldnt trust the corrupt police force as far as i could throw them. The police hand in hand with the controlled media have very blatently been programming the masses and villified and made a sort of patsy out of this Bridger guy right from the start which is suspicious in itself especially when you consider that they still havent even found April yet and havent told the public about any evidence that lead to the charge. As always its brainwashing the public into just taking their word for it. Ne fecking chance.

I want April to be found as much as everyone else but until we see some real evidence that points to her being killed by Bridger, the guy could be innocent as far as im concerned.

silkie
07-10-2012, 06:35 PM
It is our business if the wrong man gets convicted because Sky news pushed him too much into the limelight.
That means a child murderer is on the loose and therefore becomes very much our business.

I don't know why people are ignoring my comment but I'll say it again - do you think the grey stripe on his vehicle could have been seen in the dark more than the blue hence why she remembered the grey colour?

And why was the front of the car covered up yet his reg has been in the public domain - is it possible that he 'perverted the course of justice' by
not going to the police after a hit and run incident - instead opting to hit and hide?
Only he doesn't fit the profile of a padeo - everyone says that - but people do strange things after accidents. If this is the case I hope he speaks out.

And although we have the right to be concerned - I agree that we need to be careful as this case is going to court - that is why I'm not mentioning names nor suggesting that I know what may have happened - but the thought of what else may have happened to her doesn't bear considering.

I think we can rule out her wandering off into the woods though - she would have been found by now.

velma
07-10-2012, 07:04 PM
Friends and acquaintances describe Bridger as a "ladies man" which does not fit the profile of a child predator and the scum media seem overly keen to put him in the frame and convince the public of his guilt; it worked!

I assume that the child witnesses would be able to confirm from photos, that Bridger's car is the one they saw. Perhaps they did and that's why police pressed charges? I guess we shall have to wait and see...

I find this pink ribbon-wearing gimmick disconcerting too, like Kate McCann's wrist bands. The fact that they have held a service for April, presuming she is dead, when no body has been discovered, is also a bit premature.

Her parents didn't attend.

hokuspokus
07-10-2012, 08:39 PM
...if you would have strung that landlord from Bristol up from the nearest lampost, then you are would have murdered an innocent man and let a murderer free to commit other murders. You know who you are.

greatdayforfreedom
07-10-2012, 08:58 PM
Spot on. I wouldnt trust the corrupt police force as far as i could throw them. The police hand in hand with the controlled media have very blatently been programming the masses and villified and made a sort of patsy out of this Bridger guy right from the start which is suspicious in itself especially when you consider that they still havent even found April yet and havent told the public about any evidence that lead to the charge. As always its brainwashing the public into just taking their word for it. Ne fecking chance.

I want April to be found as much as everyone else but until we see some real evidence that points to her being killed by Bridger, the guy could be innocent as far as im concerned.

I agree. I have observed the incessant repeating of his name in the MSM. MARK BRIDGER DID IT!, MARK BRIDGER DID IT!, MARK BRIDGER DID IT!! Get the public 100% acquainted with his name and the associated charge. Parrot the official version enough times and people will believe it.

the nine
07-10-2012, 09:01 PM
I agree. I have observed the incessant repeating of his name in the MSM. Mark Bridger, Mark Bridger, MARK BRIDGER!! Get the public 100% acquainted with his name and the associated charge. Parrot the official version enough times and people will believe it.

Could this guy EVER get a fair trial in the uk now?

tartanyorkie
07-10-2012, 09:13 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the televising of the church service etc. is a bit OTT. I know it is a sad, shocking event, but why??? There are other missing children we do not hear about.

beldazar
07-10-2012, 10:20 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the televising of the church service etc. is a bit OTT. I know it is a sad, shocking event, but why??? There are other missing children we do not hear about.

Nope, you aren't the only one.

velma
07-10-2012, 10:24 PM
Bridger is getting the Huntley treatment. His sad expression, not dissimilar to Huntley's, always appearing beside the tragic victim to implant the connection in our minds and like Huntley, Bridger was charged with murder before any body was recovered, before anyone actually knew they were dead.

pureheart
07-10-2012, 10:31 PM
Haven't read too much into this but I did come across the hang Mark Bridger Facebook group and have been looking at it quite often today. I'm totally astounded by the worryingly low levels of intelligence of some people.

It's really opened my eyes as to how much power the media has, I mean I knew it had a lot because I see it in my friends but they aren't half as bad as these people on Facebook.

Comments like "he woz on the news, y wud they put him on d news if it woznt im", "they've charged im so obv they av evidince agenst him, wot mor proof dyou want?" I've just been sat their completely baffled by it all. I tried to reason with a few of them, I told them obviously he isn't guilty yet and all I got was abuse calling me a pedo or a pedo lover etc.

71,000 likes and counting that group has, I'm just stunned.

I knew there were a lot of brain dead people in this country, but even I am amazed at that number. They should all be arrested and thrown in jail for 'intent to kill'. A threat to kill should get them at least two years each.

truthful
07-10-2012, 10:32 PM
How they can charge a person so quickly without either a body or a confession sounds odd to me?

beldazar
07-10-2012, 10:34 PM
Bridger is getting the Huntley treatment. His sad expression, not dissimilar to Huntley's, always appearing beside the tragic victim to implant the connection in our minds and like Huntley, Bridger was charged with murder before any body was recovered, before anyone actually knew they were dead.

I keep thinking back to Huntley.
The ones pulling the strings here are mechanical and orderly. There's no doubt they also like to repeat as history shows us.

tptb
07-10-2012, 10:59 PM
I find this pink ribbon-wearing gimmick disconcerting too, like Kate McCann's wrist bands. The fact that they have held a service for April, presuming she is dead, when no body has been discovered, is also a bit premature.

Her parents didn't attend.

Thanks for that Velma. You've given some good insights on various elements of this case and I am wholly convinced they have charged the wrong man, either intentionally or because they've made a real hash of it.

The lack of word from members of the family is concerning. I had wondered why the news didn't report on them attending this service, maybe they're the only non-religious people in that particular community.

Great that the church jumped on the bandwagon, always present where misery is concerned.

tptb
07-10-2012, 11:15 PM
One thing is for certain and I don't care if it's a sleepy Welsh village, those children should not have been left alone.

I used to live in a little village in Derbyshire. The type of place where every other person owned a horse, this was only two years ago. At the time, my Son was five, the same age as April, but I wouldn't have dreamed of leaving him alone outside because, as a parent, you have a responsibility to mind and care for your children. A whole manner of things could have happened. It will have been getting dark at 7pm, and as they were playing around garages, if somebody had come around the corner and not noticed them, they could have knocked one or two of them over.

Like the Kate McCann story, it stinks of neglect. If it had been my child, I'm pretty sure social services would be sniffing around. And I don't buy into the "I nipped in to make them a bit of food" line, it's all too common an excuse in cases such as this, people trying to save face.

I would say there's more to the family than first meets the eye, but I haven't seen enough to say this, and this worries me.

milly
07-10-2012, 11:22 PM
If this is heading down an occult theme, something else turned up of interest. It appears that the town has a number of ancient monoliths (standing stones) and a stone circle no less, right next to the place where she was abducted! :eek: Always check the site from above - thanks Google Earth :rolleyes:

I know a lot of people will dismiss that as insignificant but the people in power seem to place an enormous amount of emphasis on ley lines or they wouldn't be building football stadiums or that Olympic staduim (that's an interesting one) in alignment with these ancient sites.

I read through Velmas posts, really interesting take - nice work :)

largejack
07-10-2012, 11:33 PM
I have to say I'm totally confused now. We have a missing girl and a guy charged with her murder despite no body found, and the BBC, headed by Chris Patten, refusing to have an investigation into Jimmy Saville all happening at the same time???? I'm sure all this has been discussed in detail, but in a nutshell, WTF is going on! :confused: I mean Aunty BEEB is playing the child carer of the nation over the missing girl, but ignoring anything connected with JS??

largejack
07-10-2012, 11:42 PM
How they can charge a person so quickly without either a body or a confession sounds odd to me?

:confused:

tptb
08-10-2012, 12:50 AM
Thought I'd type "Coral Jones" into Google images and I'm stuck.

In the 'appeal', she was gasping and stuttering, acting as though she was distraught. The step-grandfather wasn't convincing and seemed disconnected from her. This press conference was described as "Tearful" and "Emotional", but given that she was giving an appeal and obviously thinking about her daughter, why can I not find an image that wholly convinces me that she seems genuinely upset about it?

I have said from the off that the lack of presence in the public eye from adult members of April's family is concerning. They didn't attend the church service, though Sky news said they believed they'd be watching from home.

The press conference struck me as being similar to that of Mick Philpott. Bad acting, no tears, and covering this up by the dabbing your eyes with tissue. Everybody I've ever seen genuinely upset has puffy eyes, reading between the lines on the still images, this woman seems to be doing her best to act, but is trying so hard to do this and stick to her lines that she forgot to show any real kind of emotion.

I don't usually question the actions of people so much (Though the McCann's are dodgy) and I wasn't sure whether to put this out there, but it's there now, for all to see. This whole case has been terrible and I apologise if I offend anybody in what I have said, but I have said it because I am dubious.

brontide
08-10-2012, 01:20 AM
I think you're barking up the wrong tree there on this particular case.

The whole case has been very strangely hijacked. The media jumped on it in huge numbers; the media exposure the 'community' and 'volunteers' got; the attention press conferences got; the live 'on the scene' media interviews; the whole media circus; statements by the head teacher; the televising of the church service; the dismissal of the volunteers; the beefed up search teams; the repeated display of MB's photo; the repeated mention of his name.

You don't normally get this in these cases. This was a tactic adopted in Soham.

Far from reflecting any guilt, I believe the family's reactions themselves reflect both their sorrow and their shock at the manipulation of the event. There is something surreal and not genuine about this case.

When I saw the family speak, I saw people not just shell-shocked at what they had lost, but shell-shocked at what was going on around them and how it was being handled. God knows what they are being told and how they are being manipulated. Being shattered by their loss makes this easier.

Most alarming of all is the lack of questions and the speed with which the public jump on an unknown man.

I have a gut feeling that April Jones is hundreds of miles away from where she was taken.

Clear and conclusive evidence of guilt found on a man a short time after a child's disappearance would produce a wholly different story. This has not been the case here.

troofyoof
08-10-2012, 03:59 AM
Thought I'd type "Coral Jones" into Google images and I'm stuck.

In the 'appeal', she was gasping and stuttering, acting as though she was distraught. The step-grandfather wasn't convincing and seemed disconnected from her. This press conference was described as "Tearful" and "Emotional", but given that she was giving an appeal and obviously thinking about her daughter, why can I not find an image that wholly convinces me that she seems genuinely upset about it?

I have said from the off that the lack of presence in the public eye from adult members of April's family is concerning. They didn't attend the church service, though Sky news said they believed they'd be watching from home.

The press conference struck me as being similar to that of Mick Philpott. Bad acting, no tears, and covering this up by the dabbing your eyes with tissue. Everybody I've ever seen genuinely upset has puffy eyes, reading between the lines on the still images, this woman seems to be doing her best to act, but is trying so hard to do this and stick to her lines that she forgot to show any real kind of emotion.

I don't usually question the actions of people so much (Though the McCann's are dodgy) and I wasn't sure whether to put this out there, but it's there now, for all to see. This whole case has been terrible and I apologise if I offend anybody in what I have said, but I have said it because I am dubious.

you offended me with this amateur psycho analysis of someone suffering in deep shock. There is no standard way of reacting to such a traumatic event and we all hope never to have to find this out personally so think before you type. What qualifies you todraw such conclusions from a distance? Do you have any experience in psychology,body language...etc? If you did i think you would appreciate there is no standard response as we are all individuals and will act or react within our own way and our own time frame. Stating an opinion is one thing,besmirching those already suffering is something quite different..and besmirching them with no real grounds to do so is offensive and wholly inappropriate. I do not claim to be an expert but i am certain there is no way to draw such conclusions as you have from what you have seen and heard. Have some respect,you never know you might be completely wrong and that makes it out of order to post such vitriol.

jubbly
08-10-2012, 04:03 AM
This case is downright weird.

One of the police officers in charge of the case said in a newspaper today that he still has hope that April is alive.

Ummm...how can you charge someone with murder then if there is a chance she is alive?

Don't get me started on the pink ribbon thing. It is ridiculous.

bulletproofheart
08-10-2012, 04:07 AM
Just read this on a forum from someone in the area of the missing girl.

From what I've been hearing from people in the village is this..

The guy who's been arrested/charged had a bit of a fling with the mother 6 yrs ago.
Apparently he may be the girls father..

This makes it even worse, why would you kill your own daughter? To get back at the mother for rejecting him?

Sick.


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truthful
08-10-2012, 05:01 AM
This case is downright weird.

One of the police officers in charge of the case said in a newspaper today that he still has hope that April is alive.

Ummm...how can you charge someone with murder then if there is a chance she is alive?Don't get me started on the pink ribbon thing. It is ridiculous.

:eek: Exactly jubbly...

yass
08-10-2012, 05:50 AM
This case is downright weird.

One of the police officers in charge of the case said in a newspaper today that he still has hope that April is alive.

Ummm...how can you charge someone with murder then if there is a chance she is alive?

Don't get me started on the pink ribbon thing. It is ridiculous.

I'd like to think she's still alive. I don't think my wanting to think it will make it so but I'd like to think she'll surface hardly scathed.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2212257-1552FB49000005DC-307_634x854.jpg

nofuture
08-10-2012, 09:28 AM
This case is downright weird.

One of the police officers in charge of the case said in a newspaper today that he still has hope that April is alive.

Ummm...how can you charge someone with murder then if there is a chance she is alive?

Don't get me started on the pink ribbon thing. It is ridiculous.

Because they had to charge him or release him.
They can change the charge if circumstances change. e.g. if she is found alive.
[Unlikely as that sadly now seems]

babylon2rome
08-10-2012, 10:58 AM
If this is heading down an occult theme, something else turned up of interest. It appears that the town has a number of ancient monoliths (standing stones) and a stone circle no less, right next to the place where she was abducted! :eek: Always check the site from above - thanks Google Earth :rolleyes:



You're not wrong Milly ..I meant to post something on this a few days ago but got too busy...

Firstly, I think everyone should watch this fairly mainstream documentary about Marc Dutroux..."The Monster of Belgium"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6g5ENqgf5M

Everyone in Belgium knew that this involved high level corruption - and as the documentary shows - numerous witnesses who came forward - turned up dead in mysterious circumstances...

A bit more evidence can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmgbGi3ffU

I know another poster was questioning the "pink ribbons"...

Château des Amerois – “Mother of Darkness Castle” is a castle in Bouillon, Belgium. The castle is known in conspiracy theory circles due to its publicity by Fritz Springmeier. He claims this castle was used extensively by Satanists and pedophiles for child sex orgies that in Belgium were referred to as "The Pink Ballet".

Coincidence? ...doubt it.

----
So regarding the facts - I think most things have been discussed...but as you can see even in the documentary - they used the same "white vans" that have been used across England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales etc...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-19798641

http://www.live95fm.ie/news/news-item/limerick-mother-warns-of-white-van-abduction-attempt/7c4dff68-0777-4847-add3-c8503a7109e7

http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx (http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx)

but NONE of these incidents are being reported by the Media.

Theres hundreds of obvious questions - but no answers. Nothing is being given by the police and no proper questions are being asked by the 100% controlled media.

So in the absence of facts we have the standard issue "character assassination"....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9585566/April-Jones-Kidnap-suspect-Mark-Bridger-was-weapons-collector.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witness-tells-1363171

So what if hes a weapons collector?
Should everyone in Britain, whos a weapons collector, be a suspect?

Did this "distraught" pensioner really see Mark Bridger?
What colour vehicle was he driving, did the pensioner reveal?
Was anyone with him?
Could the pensioner give an ID so the police can make a suspect composite? Does this pensioners "sightings" match with cctv footage?
Does it match other witness accounts, beacuse if he saw him 4 TIMES surely someone else saw him at least once...?
Does this pensioner even exist?
Whats his name?
Why cant they give his name...yet arrest a man whos supposedly innocent until proven guilty....and release his name to the world? Then use Kay Burley and their other whores to engage in this scandalous reporting to try and whip up fury against this man - ala Ian Huntley...

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So back to they leylines...

In the last few years there have been many high profile murders and child abductions - and theyve been plotted out by this researcher -
http://ellisctaylor.homestead.com/bmalignments.html#anchor_451


Just like days of old these sacrifices are occurring on the exact leylines which have many pagan (satanic) altars...
(satanic sacrifices are necessary when summoning "spirits" or "demons" - and need to take place over leylines - this is where our dimension crosses over into the next...)

Heres an image of the leylines of Britian (which have many hundreds of megalithic pagan sites dotted along them which proves their authenticity..)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ATVfpy795Wk/TPKLaATun4I/AAAAAAAAAGc/HHgnzjjsvkQ/s1600/EnglandWales.jpg


If you overlay these 2 images - you'll see machynlleth is built right on one of the most powerful leylines in Britain...

http://www.whitelionhotel.co.uk/location.jpg

In a nearby housing area, lies an ancient boulder known as Maen Llwyd. Many have different opinions as to the use of the stone, but some claim it sits on ancient ley lines and possesses magnetic properties...

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/3390

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When leylines are involved you'd normally expect them to build the emotional outcry as much as possible - for maximum impact on the masses...especially when they're looking to achieve their next goal...

So what I found interesting is...only a few days before April went missing - Nestle (1 of the biggest satanic companies on the planet) came out with this advert...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk2Lfgh1c4Q

Of all the products they could choose (I dont mean Nestle, I mean the satanic cabal that own Nestle and every other major co in the world) they choose childrens candy bars....
Why?
Because theyre indoctrinating people - associating candy (what children love) with GPS and microchipping....

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This case stinks to high heavens - and another innocent man will go down for it.

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 12:23 PM
I know another poster was questioning the "pink ribbons"... Château des Amerois – “Mother of Darkness Castle” is a castle in Bouillon, Belgium. The castle is known in conspiracy theory circles due to its publicity by Fritz Springmeier. He claims this castle was used extensively by Satanists and pedophiles for child sex orgies that in Belgium were referred to as "The Pink Ballet". Coincidence? ...doubt it.

Interesting connection, though not conclusive. The pink ballets were certainly real.

So regarding the facts - I think most things have been discussed...but as you can see even in the documentary - they used the same "white vans" that have been used across England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales etc... but NONE of these incidents are being reported by the Media.

There was a white van connection in the Sarah Payne case too.

http://www.justjustice.org/cheshire.html

So in the absence of facts we have the standard issue "character assassination".... So what if hes a weapons collector? Should everyone in Britain, whos a weapons collector, be a suspect? This case stinks to high heavens - and another innocent man will go down for it.

Unlike with Huntley, at least we can be all over this one like a rash. I don't know if he is guilty or not, but I believe Huntley was innocent and we shouldn't let another innocent man go down quietly. Let's see what 'evidence' they come up with.

So back to they leylines... In the last few years there have been many high profile murders and child abductions and theyve been plotted out by this researcher. Just like days of old these sacrifices are occurring on the exact leylines which have many pagan (satanic) altars... (satanic sacrifices are necessary when summoning "spirits" or "demons" - and need to take place over leylines - this is where our dimension crosses over into the next...). When leylines are involved you'd normally expect them to build the emotional outcry as much as possible - for maximum impact on the masses...especially when they're looking to achieve their next goal...

I don't know much about leylines, but do recognise the emotional outcry being heavily played here. Many others have pointed this out too.

So what I found interesting is...only a few days before April went missing - Nestle (1 of the biggest satanic companies on the planet) came out with this advert...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk2Lfgh1c4Q

Of all the products they could choose (I dont mean Nestle, I mean the satanic cabal that own Nestle and every other major co in the world) they choose childrens candy bars.... Why? Because theyre indoctrinating people - associating candy (what children love) with GPS and microchipping....

Is that even legal? It isn't a joke is it? It makes me feel like giving up chocolate. :eek:

velma
08-10-2012, 12:29 PM
I keep thinking back to Huntley.
The ones pulling the strings here are mechanical and orderly. There's no doubt they also like to repeat as history shows us.

Bridger reminds me of Huntley and I'm seeing parallels to the Soham murders. The stunned community marching in silence, soon whipped up into an Orwellian "Rent a Mob" stoning the van carrying the suspect, not found guilty of anything yet.

As Joe Vialls put it, "Trial by television media had well and truly started..."

http://codshit.com/wells-chapman.htm

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 12:35 PM
As Joe Vialls put it, "Trial by television media had well and truly started..."

His site got hacked didn't it? Is his stuff still available anywhere?

RIP Joe Vialls. :(

crow_at_the_end_of_my_bed
08-10-2012, 12:47 PM
you offended me with this amateur psycho analysis of someone suffering in deep shock. There is no standard way of reacting to such a traumatic event and we all hope never to have to find this out personally so think before you type. What qualifies you todraw such conclusions from a distance? Do you have any experience in psychology,body language...etc? If you did i think you would appreciate there is no standard response as we are all individuals and will act or react within our own way and our own time frame. Stating an opinion is one thing,besmirching those already suffering is something quite different..and besmirching them with no real grounds to do so is offensive and wholly inappropriate. I do not claim to be an expert but i am certain there is no way to draw such conclusions as you have from what you have seen and heard. Have some respect,you never know you might be completely wrong and that makes it out of order to post such vitriol.

I agree with you, nobody knows how they would react if they have never been in the situation. I don't know how I would react but I do think that I would be collapsed on the floor crying, screaming and wailing for my child, or sedated by a doctor. The last thing I would be capable of doing would be going to church or facing the public and the media!
This could be the way April's mother is feeling.:(

babylon2rome
08-10-2012, 12:57 PM
His site got hacked didn't it? Is his stuff still available anywhere?

RIP Joe Vialls. :(

illuminumnuts - lovin that name :)

ive the whole site on pdf bout 20 megs...anyway i cud email it to ya?

velma
08-10-2012, 01:16 PM
I think you're barking up the wrong tree there on this particular case.

The whole case has been very strangely hijacked. The media jumped on it in huge numbers; the media exposure the 'community' and 'volunteers' got; the attention press conferences got; the live 'on the scene' media interviews; the whole media circus; statements by the head teacher; the televising of the church service; the dismissal of the volunteers; the beefed up search teams; the repeated display of MB's photo; the repeated mention of his name.

You don't normally get this in these cases. This was a tactic adopted in Soham.

Far from reflecting any guilt, I believe the family's reactions themselves reflect both their sorrow and their shock at the manipulation of the event. There is something surreal and not genuine about this case.

When I saw the family speak, I saw people not just shell-shocked at what they had lost, but shell-shocked at what was going on around them and how it was being handled. God knows what they are being told and how they are being manipulated. Being shattered by their loss makes this easier.

Most alarming of all is the lack of questions and the speed with which the public jump on an unknown man.

I have a gut feeling that April Jones is hundreds of miles away from where she was taken.

Clear and conclusive evidence of guilt found on a man a short time after a child's disappearance would produce a wholly different story. This has not been the case here.

I agree wholeheartedly and sadly, like Maddy McCann, it's looking unlikely that April Jones will ever be found.

Coral Jones’ reaction to her missing child is how I’d expect a mother to act, distraught, waiting by the telephone, too choked up to formulate coherent words and avoiding the media spotlight altogether. No press conferences, T-shirts or candlelit vigils, although, local volunteers, ribbons and wrist bands have become customary.

It is a stark contrast to the McCann’s with their pact of silence, so composed, articulate and unemotional. Globetrotting to make TV appearances, courting the media, focusing on their next marketing ploy, between jogging and blogging. I wonder if Coral Jones will have the presence of mind to write a book about it to raise funds?

I doubt it. :(

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 01:16 PM
illuminumnuts - lovin that name :)

ive the whole site on pdf bout 20 megs...anyway i cud email it to ya?

If a mod agreed to open a Joe Vialls forum under the Rik Clay one would you be happy to to copy and paste it there bit by bit into some new threads? He wrote some articles on Huntley didn't he?

silkie
08-10-2012, 01:57 PM
I agree wholeheartedly and sadly, like Maddy McCann, it's looking unlikely that April Jones will ever be found.

Coral Jones’ reaction to her missing child is how I’d expect a mother to act, distraught, waiting by the telephone, too choked up to formulate coherent words and avoiding the media spotlight altogether. No press conferences, T-shirts or candlelit vigils, although, local volunteers, ribbons and wrist bands have become customary.

It is a stark contrast to the McCann’s with their pact of silence, so composed, articulate and unemotional. Globetrotting to make TV appearances, courting the media, focusing on their next marketing ploy, between jogging and blogging. I wonder if Coral Jones will have the presence of mind to write a book about it to raise funds?

I doubt it. :(

I agree. When the McCanns attended church and went jogging so soon after it seemed like they were enjoying the limelight.

This is how you'd expect a distraught family to act - maybe they are deeply religious but are angry at God right now and blaming him for taking away their child.
A deeper look will reveal that they had free will and left her alone- made a choice so God wasn't to blame - other people use their free will for bad - all they did was forget that.
It doesn't make the family bad parents - just too trusting - one day maybe they will understand that the Angels were always with her and are with them now - but at the moment her reaction is not at all unusual. The McCans left their kids alone in a dark room unattended in a foreign country - all were too young to be able to find the parents by themselves - this is not the case here - she was able to find her way home. Still very young but when they are in a gang with older kids you feel they are safe I guess.

I feel a visit to their house by the vicar if they are religious would be more appropriate - I also don't think the mother enjoys hundreds of flashes going off in her face - how the McCanns seemed to like that I don't know.

In regard to the pink ribbons, the godmother said pink was the little girls favourite colour.

Maybe she is remembering that song 'tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree' where women waiting for absent loved ones in the war would wear yellow ribbons until they came home.

She probably just wanted to put a message out there for the girl to see.
It's understandable if you feel helpless to want to try to do something.

At least they didn't start a campaign asking people for money straight away as the McCans did.

I haven't heard any support officialy from the McCans to this couple yet.
I thought they were ambassadors for missing children but maybe they can't relate to them. They do react in a different way to most. Other parents of missing kids however have shown their support.

Also you have to be aware that they are surrounded by advisors from the police and probably TV that are telling them what to do next and they will listen as they can't think straight right now.

The McCanns actively seeked out these type of people to assist them. This couple don't appear to be interested in doing that.

We don't know what evidence they have been told about yet.
Understandably they can only tell us little bits. All we know is she went missing basically and this guy
was acting dodgy before and after and he knows her.

But this is why we feel the need to discuss it. A threat to children is out there and we want to make sure
it has gone. The last thing we want is the wrong person to be locked up and someone still out there.
The need for a result may be high on the agenda for the police but even they know it would
be foolish to charge the wrong man.

I have noticed people are more aware of where their children are now - always checking on their whereabouts. This is a good thing I guess but also sad.
It won't last but for a while people will learn from others tragic mistakes.

We've all had a few seconds where our children went out of sight and we have a panic attack and start screaming their names.
That few seconds is lasting for this family - so my heart truly goes out to them.

All we want is the same as them - for the truth to be told and their child to be found.
People hate uncertainty and not knowing - that is the worst feeling ever so as a nation we are sympathising
so I hope that our collective thoughts will bring her home safe.

finkykun
08-10-2012, 04:03 PM
hi. im new to all of this, but most of my thought match alot of yours on this post.. i totally think the media has stopped this man getting a fair trial at all..
i go to uni and all i hear from people infront of me is how much of a horrible man mark bridger is....
i got so fed up with it today!
i feel like he is a scapegoat etc and the media have completly drawn him up for it....
dont get me started on the "leaving a 5 year old at 7pm at night alone" topic...
can i ask what the huntley thing your talking about is.. i was younger then and didnt take much notice to it, but i hear your saying its the same sort of thing?

paul_bearer
08-10-2012, 04:30 PM
In regard to the pink ribbons, the godmother said pink was the little girls favourite colour.

Maybe she is remembering that song 'tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree' where women waiting for absent loved ones in the war would wear yellow ribbons until they came home.
.

Small point - the song 'Tie A Yellow Ribbon' is about a person returning home from a prison sentence. Nothing at all to do with the case, but I thought I'd correct it anyway :)

I also wonder how anyone imagines there can now be a fair trial of anyone over these tragic events.

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 04:32 PM
Can i ask what the huntley thing your talking about is.. i was younger then and didnt take much notice to it, but i hear your saying its the same sort of thing?

Welcome to the forum. I would suggest doing some internet searches on Huntley and seeing what you can find. This site has some good information for starters.

http://www.justjustice.org/index.html

Use the search function on this forum and you will probably dig up some old threads too. It has certainly been discussed on here before, but I can't really remember to what depth. If Huntley is innocent, then it doesn't bear thinking about what he will have been through.

mephistopheles
08-10-2012, 04:46 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-admits-offensive-april-facebook-posts-124921397.html

in the above report it mentions a mob of people (around 50 apparently) descending on the guys home after he'd posted his admittedly very foolish comments about the april jones case on his facebook page....

interestingly there are no mobs of people marching in 'frankenstein castle' fashion on BBC television centre or boarding ships to jersey...both the scene of appalling child abuse...and quite possibly murder in the case of jersey.....how easily manipulated the masses are.....:(...........the secret state plays them like a 'stradivarius'.....as paul gambaccini might say...

Mr Happy
08-10-2012, 04:57 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-admits-offensive-april-facebook-posts-124921397.html

in the above report it mentions a mob of people (around 50 apparently) descending on the guys home after he'd posted his admittedly very foolish comments about the april jones case on his facebook page....

I see it as a very worrying sign that someone, especially a young person, could be imprisoned and have their life ruined purely for posting something on the internet. Many of us here have concerns about the Marddy case, and many of us here have posted all kinds of shit on the internet. I've read suggestions about the possible involvement of the parents, their links to Gorgon Brewn, and I myself have even speculated whether the sprog even existed. What if the state reaches beyond twatter and fuckbook and arrests those who post conspiracies regarding these and other stories? Thin edge of the wedge an all that. It isn't much of a leap to think the state may start arresting people for daring to suggest 7/7 was an inside job.

It is rather ironic that Jimmy got to live out his millionaire days with not one day of jailtime, yet someone can be jailed for posting sick jokes on the internet. I'm amazed the police have the fucking time or the inclination.

If this worrying development continues it's only a matter of time before Icke and a huge chunk of posters on this site are arrested. Likewise, only a matter oif time before some comedians are arrested.

the nine
08-10-2012, 05:36 PM
I see it as a very worrying sign that someone, especially a young person, could be imprisoned and have their life ruined purely for posting something on the internet. Many of us here have concerns about the Marddy case, and many of us here have posted all kinds of shit on the internet. I've read suggestions about the possible involvement of the parents, their links to Gorgon Brewn, and I myself have even speculated whether the sprog even existed. What if the state reaches beyond twatter and fuckbook and arrests those who post conspiracies regarding these and other stories? Thin edge of the wedge an all that. It isn't much of a leap to think the state may start arresting people for daring to suggest 7/7 was an inside job.

It is rather ironic that Jimmy got to live out his millionaire days with not one day of jailtime, yet someone can be jailed for posting sick jokes on the internet. I'm amazed the police have the fucking time or the inclination.

If this worrying development continues it's only a matter of time before Icke and a huge chunk of posters on this site are arrested. Likewise, only a matter oif time before some comedians are arrested.

I agree
Excellent points well made in that post

codie
08-10-2012, 05:41 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-admits-offensive-april-facebook-posts-124921397.html

in the above report it mentions a mob of people (around 50 apparently) descending on the guys home after he'd posted his admittedly very foolish comments about the april jones case on his facebook page....

interestingly there are no mobs of people marching in 'frankenstein castle' fashion on BBC television centre or boarding ships to jersey...both the scene of appalling child abuse...and quite possibly murder in the case of jersey.....how easily manipulated the masses are.....:(...........the secret state plays them like a 'stradivarius'.....as paul gambaccini might say...

Link no longer working (for me anyway)
Do you know what the comment was? I've done some searching and it said it allegedly contained reference to Madeleine McCann.

jesuitsdidit
08-10-2012, 05:41 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-admits-offensive-april-facebook-posts-124921397.html

in the above report it mentions a mob of people (around 50 apparently) descending on the guys home after he'd posted his admittedly very foolish comments about the april jones case on his facebook page....

interestingly there are no mobs of people marching in 'frankenstein castle' fashion on BBC television centre or boarding ships to jersey...both the scene of appalling child abuse...and quite possibly murder in the case of jersey.....how easily manipulated the masses are.....:(...........the secret state plays them like a 'stradivarius'.....as paul gambaccini might say...

TPTB have mobile mob/yob units
they do this all the time when needed
think about it.

jesuitsdidit
08-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Mark Bridger's father worked in the MET police for 30 years and was a royal protection officer who guarded the Queen Mother.

Maurice Hartigan — the boyfriend of Bridger’s sister Karen — said: “His old man was a serving copper."

“He used to escort the Queen Mum around.”

more trashing of the REAL police?

who do u think mops up after a PTB hit?
- the REAL police or
- the PTB police?

jesuitsdidit
08-10-2012, 05:52 PM
I am so outraged! We MUST have microchips so this can't happen again!!!

oh i think a NWO would solve all our problems surely?

unless its just a distraction operation (with or without real victims/criminals).

velma
08-10-2012, 06:08 PM
If a mod agreed to open a Joe Vialls forum under the Rik Clay one would you be happy to to copy and paste it there bit by bit into some new threads? He wrote some articles on Huntley didn't he?

Joe Vialls wrote: 'British police torture least likely suspects Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr from Soham Village, while deliberately ignoring thousands of more likely suspects from nearby American Air Force bases.'

http://www.realityreviewed.com/Ian%20Huntley.htm

However, some think RAF Lakenheath is a red herring and the murders took place at Warren Hill where a jogger reported hearing child-like screams three hours after the abductions. Another jogger reported freshly dug mounds in this area. It took the police 13 hours to determine these were only "badger setts."

http://www.justjustice.org/

And if a twenty year old can be arrested for a foolish facebook comment, you can understand why I never started a 'Huntley is innocent' campaign! Twitter would crash from the death threats!

This is my article on the Soham murders.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 06:21 PM
Joe Vialls wrote: 'British police torture least likely suspects Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr from Soham Village, while deliberately ignoring thousands of more likely suspects from nearby American Air Force bases.'

http://www.realityreviewed.com/Ian%20Huntley.htm

However, some think RAF Lakenheath is a red herring and the murders took place at Warren Hill where a jogger reported hearing child-like screams three hours after the abductions. Another jogger reported freshly dug mounds in this area. It took the police 13 hours to determine these were only "badger setts."

http://www.justjustice.org/

And if a twenty year old can be arrested for a foolish facebook comment, you can understand why I never started a 'Huntley is innocent' campaign! Twitter would crash from the death threats!

This is my article on the Soham murders.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm

I just saw the BBC 6 o'clock news to learn that Bridger had been charged, Bridger had wept in court and that people were 'very angry'. They neglected to let me know whether Bridger had denied the allegations or not. Insane! :eek:

velma
08-10-2012, 06:34 PM
You're not wrong Milly ..I meant to post something on this a few days ago but got too busy...

Firstly, I think everyone should watch this fairly mainstream documentary about Marc Dutroux..."The Monster of Belgium"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6g5ENqgf5M

Everyone in Belgium knew that this involved high level corruption - and as the documentary shows - numerous witnesses who came forward - turned up dead in mysterious circumstances...

A bit more evidence can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmgbGi3ffU

I know another poster was questioning the "pink ribbons"...

Château des Amerois – “Mother of Darkness Castle” is a castle in Bouillon, Belgium. The castle is known in conspiracy theory circles due to its publicity by Fritz Springmeier. He claims this castle was used extensively by Satanists and pedophiles for child sex orgies that in Belgium were referred to as "The Pink Ballet".

Coincidence? ...doubt it.

----
So regarding the facts - I think most things have been discussed...but as you can see even in the documentary - they used the same "white vans" that have been used across England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales etc...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-19798641

http://www.live95fm.ie/news/news-item/limerick-mother-warns-of-white-van-abduction-attempt/7c4dff68-0777-4847-add3-c8503a7109e7

http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx (http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx)

but NONE of these incidents are being reported by the Media.

Theres hundreds of obvious questions - but no answers. Nothing is being given by the police and no proper questions are being asked by the 100% controlled media.

So in the absence of facts we have the standard issue "character assassination"....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9585566/April-Jones-Kidnap-suspect-Mark-Bridger-was-weapons-collector.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witness-tells-1363171

So what if hes a weapons collector?
Should everyone in Britain, whos a weapons collector, be a suspect?

Did this "distraught" pensioner really see Mark Bridger?
What colour vehicle was he driving, did the pensioner reveal?
Was anyone with him?
Could the pensioner give an ID so the police can make a suspect composite? Does this pensioners "sightings" match with cctv footage?
Does it match other witness accounts, beacuse if he saw him 4 TIMES surely someone else saw him at least once...?
Does this pensioner even exist?
Whats his name?
Why cant they give his name...yet arrest a man whos supposedly innocent until proven guilty....and release his name to the world? Then use Kay Burley and their other whores to engage in this scandalous reporting to try and whip up fury against this man - ala Ian Huntley...

--------

So back to they leylines...

In the last few years there have been many high profile murders and child abductions - and theyve been plotted out by this researcher -
http://ellisctaylor.homestead.com/bmalignments.html#anchor_451


Just like days of old these sacrifices are occurring on the exact leylines which have many pagan (satanic) altars...
(satanic sacrifices are necessary when summoning "spirits" or "demons" - and need to take place over leylines - this is where our dimension crosses over into the next...)

Heres an image of the leylines of Britian (which have many hundreds of megalithic pagan sites dotted along them which proves their authenticity..)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ATVfpy795Wk/TPKLaATun4I/AAAAAAAAAGc/HHgnzjjsvkQ/s1600/EnglandWales.jpg


If you overlay these 2 images - you'll see machynlleth is built right on one of the most powerful leylines in Britain...

http://www.whitelionhotel.co.uk/location.jpg

In a nearby housing area, lies an ancient boulder known as Maen Llwyd. Many have different opinions as to the use of the stone, but some claim it sits on ancient ley lines and possesses magnetic properties...

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/3390

-------

When leylines are involved you'd normally expect them to build the emotional outcry as much as possible - for maximum impact on the masses...especially when they're looking to achieve their next goal...


This case stinks to high heavens - and another innocent man will go down for it.

This concentration of Ley Lines at Machynlleth also explains why it was chosen for Owain Glyndwr's coronation as Prince of Wales and the first Welsh Parliament. All Royal palaces, castles and seats of government were located on ancient pagan sites.

mephistopheles
08-10-2012, 06:40 PM
hi codie...have tried the link i posted and it does seem to be working..sorry you cant access it...but it is still there if you want to try again.....fraid i dont know what the person is supposed to have said.....and obviously we should be careful not to repeat it publicly...lest torch bearing mobs descend on us......:(.................

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-admits-offensive-april-facebook-posts-124921397.html

yass
08-10-2012, 06:44 PM
Joe Vialls wrote: 'British police torture least likely suspects Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr from Soham Village, while deliberately ignoring thousands of more likely suspects from nearby American Air Force bases.'

http://www.realityreviewed.com/Ian%20Huntley.htm

However, some think RAF Lakenheath is a red herring and the murders took place at Warren Hill where a jogger reported hearing child-like screams three hours after the abductions. Another jogger reported freshly dug mounds in this area. It took the police 13 hours to determine these were only "badger setts."

http://www.justjustice.org/

And if a twenty year old can be arrested for a foolish facebook comment, you can understand why I never started a 'Huntley is innocent' campaign! Twitter would crash from the death threats!

This is my article on the Soham murders.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm

Just getting acquainted. You're right there's something very similar.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01819/huntley_1819374b.jpg

Ian Huntley refuses to apologise ten years on from Soham murders

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9384582/Ian-Huntley-refuses-to-apologise-ten-years-on-from-Soham-murders.html



'Huntley threw our daughter in a ditch like a piece of rubbish. But he won't take anything else from our family': The parents of Holly Wells speak out a decade after she was murdered

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2176914/Soham-tragedy-Parents-Holly-Wells-speak-10-years-murdered-Ian-Huntley.html

babylon2rome
08-10-2012, 08:11 PM
Just getting acquainted. You're right there's something very similar.


Ian Huntley refuses to apologise ten years on from Soham murders

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9384582/Ian-Huntley-refuses-to-apologise-ten-years-on-from-Soham-murders.html


That Telegraph article is standard fare to induce rabble rousing for the plebs...

He's had his throat slit, had boiling water poured over him and lived under constant threat and mental torture - to be honest he's probably been lobotomized and would be a shell of a person...

But when the article says-
...(Wayne) has lifted the lid on the killer’s “cushy” life behind bars in a new book, claiming he “swaggers around prison” enjoying the notoriety that his crimes bring.

They want to make it out that he's going round the prison like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdxUFDoQe0

Does ANYONE really believe that? Well I doubt anyone here would - but what about the plebs?

Of course - they lap up everything they read and see..

"Ooooh coooeee i just done heard that that SCUM Huntley is drinking champagne out of hookers knickers and watching United games on a 90" flat screen..."

The fact his brother works for MOD should give you some insight as to whos making these comments...and the 10 year anniversary book is to remind all the plebs of the fall guy - whilst the real perpetrators fill up the tanks of their new fleet of white vans, with fresh chloroform in the glove compartments.

kaibraine
08-10-2012, 08:21 PM
April in what looks like a gimp mask, wearing a polka dot dress...

Gimp mask: sex slave symbolism
polka dots: known trigger for mind control subjects

http://i48.tinypic.com/f1i8n6.jpg

sick

h2pogo
08-10-2012, 08:33 PM
Whats more dangerous people with a crap sense of humor of an angry mob with no sense of humor..Beware the angry mob is still at large..
If anyone can find the crap jokes can they please share.

finkykun
08-10-2012, 08:38 PM
Seems strange some of the pics the 'family' choose to show public.. Like their wedding one! Why show a pic like that!!
There is something very fishy going on... Soo many questions unanswered..
And on the young lad who posted something crude/disgusting apparently, he has got 12 weeks in prison.. I feel its rather harsh! I've seen disgusting jokes/comments on sickopedia about loads of other stuff and no1 has been jailed, but when it comes to this case its different.. WHY!!!!
No one I know seems to see things from my point of view... They all think mark bridger is a horrible,adbucting killer and won't hear no other... The media/police ave truly done their job on them!!!!

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 08:46 PM
And on the young lad who posted something crude/disgusting apparently, he has got 12 weeks in prison.. I feel its rather harsh! I've seen disgusting jokes/comments on sickopedia about loads of other stuff and no1 has been jailed, but when it comes to this case its different.. WHY!!!!

Where did he write his jokes?

zephirop
08-10-2012, 08:48 PM
Where did he write his jokes?

Facebook apparently...serves him right...facebook using twat. :)

h2pogo
08-10-2012, 08:56 PM
Goes to show how censored the web has become i still cant find the crap joke:(

As a tax payer its my right to know this joke.

zephirop
08-10-2012, 08:58 PM
Goes to show how censored the web has become i still cant find the crap joke:(

As a tax payer its my right to know this joke.

LOL...I think someone just got sent down for 12 weeks for saying it...I don't think you'll find it easily, I too am wondering about the content...it sounds dangerous to me...something about the establishment?

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 09:00 PM
Facebook apparently...serves him right...facebook using twat. :)

Where on Facebook? A tribute page or a sick joke group or what?

lobuk
08-10-2012, 09:00 PM
The insanity of the world we live in is absolutely unbelieveable. Everything is back to front. Impossible is possible and the unusual is just normal. We have a 5 year old girl gone missing. No body has been found despite thousands of people searching every inch of the area multiple times. They have even done sonar on the river multiple times. This should be deemed as good news because no body means she could still be alive. Roll in the insanity.

Within a day or so of her going missing, they single out a guy that doesnt seem to have had much previous and certainly doesnt fit the profile of a child murderer, arrested and later charged with the murder even though there may have not even been a murder. Until a body is found, there hasnt been a murder. Even if they found blood it doesnt prove shes been murdered. Could just be a cut or anything. Then thanks to the disgusting controlled main stream media hand in hand with the disgustingly corrupt police, the brainwashed public that believe everything they see on the TV now are convinced she has been murdered and have even had a televised church service despite the obvious fact that they havent found a body and no evidence has been told to them and as per their programming, they are fine with that and all hate the guy that has been charged and are convinced that he is a murderer.

That is the level of insanity of this world we live in today.

spritely
08-10-2012, 09:02 PM
Hi all, new to this forum.

I don't know if anyone else has posted about this photo or not - it's a pic of the police lifting slabs in Bridger's front garden. There is something odd in the photo, bearing in mind previous comments about the significance of pink.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/08/article-2214489-15590780000005DC-333_634x434.jpg

tptb
08-10-2012, 09:07 PM
http://www.nationalturk.com/en/april-jones-searchthe-man-suspected-of-abducting-and-murdering-april-jones-appears-in-court-looking-emotional-and-tired-april-jones-news-26516

This tells you what man who wrote the joke did if the MSM haven't covered it. Obviously ripped it from Sickipedia.

Dodgy as anything if somebody can make a joke and get 12 weeks inside for it, when comedians are at it all the time.

tptb
08-10-2012, 09:12 PM
Hi all, new to this forum.

I don't know if anyone else has posted about this photo or not - it's a pic of the police lifting slabs in Bridger's front garden. There is something odd in the photo, bearing in mind previous comments about the significance of pink.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/08/article-2214489-15590780000005DC-333_634x434.jpg

Thank you very much.

h2pogo
08-10-2012, 09:16 PM
LOL...I think someone just got sent down for 12 weeks for saying it...I don't think you'll find it easily, I too am wondering about the content...it sounds dangerous to me...something about the establishment?

I hope its really sick and offensive to get jail for...Sickipedia is down BTW they must be shitting it..Great publicity i suppose never heard of it till now.

http://www.sickipedia.org/joke/rss/1369401/?&freshness=NzIuMTQuMTk5LjE3MA==

tptb
08-10-2012, 09:17 PM
Somebody posted this;

With the return of Megan Stammers to mainland Britain, little April Jones has stepped up to battle it out with our very own little Madeline McCann for the “Hide and Seek” championship of the world. Leeeeeeeeeeets get ready to rumbllllllllllllle!!!!
.
I recon that might be the joke, he based it on.
.
Though this one is better.
.
What’s the difference between Mark Bridger and Santa Claus? Mark Bridger comes in April.
.
Offended? why not dial 999?

Source:
http://www.anorak.co.uk/335981/news/stupid-matthew-wood-sentenced-by-stupid-court-for-stupid-april-jones-joke.html/

truthful
08-10-2012, 09:25 PM
Hi all, new to this forum.

I don't know if anyone else has posted about this photo or not - it's a pic of the police lifting slabs in Bridger's front garden. There is something odd in the photo, bearing in mind previous comments about the significance of pink.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/08/article-2214489-15590780000005DC-333_634x434.jpg

Its not just the colour either...it looks like a pink butterfly to me :eek:

carebear2
08-10-2012, 09:27 PM
Them jokes are disgusting :( but jail time when some pedos that actually harm children get nothing is crazy

tptb
08-10-2012, 09:27 PM
I've had a dig and the lad appeared to post it on his own wall and somebody obviously wanting to stir things up, took a screengrab and posted it to a tribute page.

I typed "April Jones joke" to Twitter and though I am no closer to finding the joke, 95% of the people disagree strongly at him being prisoned for it.

From Twitter "12 weeks for making a joke about April Jones? Get real. Why isn't Frankie Boyle serving a life sentence?"

phildee3
08-10-2012, 09:28 PM
Hi all, new to this forum.

I don't know if anyone else has posted about this photo or not - it's a pic of the police lifting slabs in Bridger's front garden. There is something odd in the photo, bearing in mind previous comments about the significance of pink.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/08/article-2214489-15590780000005DC-333_634x434.jpg

What's so strange about that?
There are pink ribbons everywhere in that village - it would be strange to take a picture there that didn't have one of them in it!

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 09:32 PM
With the return of Megan Stammers to mainland Britain, little April Jones has stepped up to battle it out with our very own little Madeline McCann for the “Hide and Seek” championship of the world. Leeeeeeeeeeets get ready to rumbllllllllllllle!!!!

I do find that tasteless, but would be horrified if he was arrested and jailed for it even if it was left on a tribute page. If he was warned beforehand and persisted, then it's a different matter.

What’s the difference between Mark Bridger and Santa Claus? Mark Bridger comes in April.

I do find that tasteless and offensive, but if people want to tell each other sick jokes it's down to them. The key points are where on Facebook it was done and what warnings were issued before arrest.

They seem to be trying to normalise grabbing people from home at any hour, for online comments, in the minds of the public. :eek:

velma
08-10-2012, 09:34 PM
[QUOTE=yass;1061074643]Just getting acquainted. You're right there's something very similar.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01819/huntley_1819374b.jpg

Ian Huntley refuses to apologise ten years on from Soham murders

http://imageshack.us/a/img823/4540/01markbridger298579k.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/01markbridger298579k.jpg/)

Huntley cannot show remorse for a crime he didn't commit.

milly
08-10-2012, 09:41 PM
Hi all, new to this forum.

I don't know if anyone else has posted about this photo or not - it's a pic of the police lifting slabs in Bridger's front garden. There is something odd in the photo, bearing in mind previous comments about the significance of pink.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/08/article-2214489-15590780000005DC-333_634x434.jpg

Looking at the markings and spots (a bit hard to see on my mobile) could illustrate a pink, abstract version of a Monach Butterfly. Nice find BTW :)

spritely
08-10-2012, 09:45 PM
What's so strange about that?
There are pink ribbons everywhere in that village - it would be strange to take a picture there that didn't have one of them in it!

This is Bridger's garden, and he has been in custody since last tuesday afternoon. When was the pink ribbon campaign started? After that, I'm fairly certain. So either he put it there, or someone else did? At a potential crime scene?

weneedtosee
08-10-2012, 10:26 PM
The Guardian posted some of the comments in this article, although the worst have not been published.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-matthew-woods-jailed

I also noticed the monarch butterfly in the photo of them digging up paving slabs. Very odd why that would be there. Almost as odd as photos released of April that don't seem to have any purpose, the one with the odd tshirt you couldn't see her face, the one with the mask, again why choose that one? It wont help anyone identify her? And the one with a butterfly (possibly monarch butterfly?), the unusual way of holding the guinea pig although I understand cerebal palsy can affect hands so I will chose to not question it.

Too much isn't adding up, and too many dark clues, I often wonder how they can be so in your face and brazen with symbols.

illuminumnuts
08-10-2012, 10:37 PM
The Guardian posted some of the comments in this article, although the worst have not been published.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-matthew-woods-jailed

I also noticed the monarch butterfly in the photo of them digging up paving slabs. Very odd why that would be there. Almost as odd as photos released of April that don't seem to have any purpose, the one with the odd tshirt you couldn't see her face, the one with the mask, again why choose that one? It wont help anyone identify her? And the one with a butterfly (possibly monarch butterfly?), the unusual way of holding the guinea pig although I understand cerebal palsy can affect hands so I will chose to not question it.

Too much isn't adding up, and too many dark clues, I often wonder how they can be so in your face and brazen with symbols.

So, it seems he did it all on his own Facebook page. He should never even have been arrested in my opinion and if Facebook decided they didn't want him, then he should have been warned and subsequently banned if he persisted. Alternatively, if Facebook decided they wanted to ban him without warning, then fine by me too. I wonder if he will get a life ban from Facebook for this? :rolleyes:

velma
09-10-2012, 12:27 AM
The insanity of the world we live in is absolutely unbelieveable. Everything is back to front. Impossible is possible and the unusual is just normal. We have a 5 year old girl gone missing. No body has been found despite thousands of people searching every inch of the area multiple times. They have even done sonar on the river multiple times. This should be deemed as good news because no body means she could still be alive. Roll in the insanity.

Within a day or so of her going missing, they single out a guy that doesnt seem to have had much previous and certainly doesnt fit the profile of a child murderer, arrested and later charged with the murder even though there may have not even been a murder. Until a body is found, there hasnt been a murder. Even if they found blood it doesnt prove shes been murdered. Could just be a cut or anything. Then thanks to the disgusting controlled main stream media hand in hand with the disgustingly corrupt police, the brainwashed public that believe everything they see on the TV now are convinced she has been murdered and have even had a televised church service despite the obvious fact that they havent found a body and no evidence has been told to them and as per their programming, they are fine with that and all hate the guy that has been charged and are convinced that he is a murderer.

That is the level of insanity of this world we live in today.

Precisely! And if no body is ever found, we will be led to ASSUME Bridger abducted, raped and murdered this child and that he is some sort of monster because he didn't reveal where he disposed of the victim, but if he is innocent, he wouldn't know where April is. Just like Huntley, who we were left to assume committed a sexually motivated double murder, without a shred of evidence to support it. I don't think the coroner even revealed the cause of death of the Soham girls.

illuminumnuts
09-10-2012, 12:36 AM
Precisely! And if no body is ever found, we will be led to ASSUME Bridger abducted, raped and murdered this child and that he is some sort of monster because he didn't reveal where he disposed of the victim, but if he is innocent, he wouldn't know where April is. Just like Huntley, who we were left to assume committed a sexually motivated double murder, without a shred of evidence to support it. I don't think the coroner even revealed the cause of death of the Soham girls.

Do you think it is possible that in some of these cases a high ranking secret society paedophile has just lost the plot and they are trying to desperately clean up? It doesn't seem like much of an organised stitch up to me. :confused:

babylon2rome
09-10-2012, 12:38 AM
Someone earlier wrote about October 12th being significant this month...(I think because Aleister Crowley was born on October 12th?)

Anyway when leylines and pagan ritual sacrifices are involved it's also important to know whats going on astronomically -

So according to this website:
http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury

The two dominant planets in October 2012 are Venus and Jupiter, and both of these brilliant beauties will be putting on quite a show all month. Watch for Venus to pair up with Regulus, the brightest star in the constellation Leo, before sunrise on Wednesday October 3, and for the waning crescent moon to couple up with Venus on Friday, October 12.

Then I had a look at Aprils name:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=April
April c.1300, aueril, from O.Fr. avril (11c.), from L. (mensis) Aprilis "(month) of Venus,"


Then I found out a bit more here, these are the colours different planets are associated with (acoording to WICCA):
http://the_mystic_moon.tripod.com/colors.htm
COLOUR: PINK
PLANET: Venus
DAY: Friday
SACRED TO: Aphrodite - Venus

Now if you take into account the "pink ribbon" movement which has been organised with such aplomb...

I'm not sure...could be clutching at straws...anyone else wana add something?:confused:

velma
09-10-2012, 12:59 AM
Someone earlier wrote about October 12th being significant this month...(I think because Aleister Crowley was born on October 12th?)

Anyway when leylines and pagan ritual sacrifices are involved it's also important to know whats going on astronomically -

So according to this website:
http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury

The two dominant planets in October 2012 are Venus and Jupiter, and both of these brilliant beauties will be putting on quite a show all month. Watch for Venus to pair up with Regulus, the brightest star in the constellation Leo, before sunrise on Wednesday October 3, and for the waning crescent moon to couple up with Venus on Friday, October 12.

Then I had a look at Aprils name:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=April
April c.1300, aueril, from O.Fr. avril (11c.), from L. (mensis) Aprilis "(month) of Venus,"


Then I found out a bit more here, these are the colours different planets are associated with (acoording to WICCA):
http://the_mystic_moon.tripod.com/colors.htm
COLOUR: PINK
PLANET: Venus
DAY: Friday
SACRED TO: Aphrodite - Venus

Now if you take into account the "pink ribbon" movement which has been organised with such aplomb...

I'm not sure...could be clutching at straws...anyone else wana add something?:confused:

Well, the abduction was a week after the Autumn equinox and that pagan celebration would require a sacrifice.

illuminumnuts
09-10-2012, 01:20 AM
I can't find one MSM article about Bridger's first court appearance accepting comments and must have checked 6 or 7 websites. Anyone else noticed one? Anyone reading these articles would probably assume that he had already confessed to the crime. Depressing stuff. :(

babylon2rome
09-10-2012, 02:12 AM
Well, the abduction was a week after the Autumn equinox and that pagan celebration would require a sacrifice.

Not sure if you remember this show...i was quite young when it was on..
Children of the Stone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLpcr7KTi9I


But I remember it always freaked me out...if you do remember it - correct me if I'm wrong - wasn't it like the town was under some sort of trance?

...

Well I was trying to get to grips with the whole leyline/megaliths in Machynlleth...

And obviously a running theme on this thread is how all the masses are so easily duped - attending "services" for April (more like being used as dupes in a ritual..)

Anyway have a read of this from Juri Linas - "Architects of Deception"

"There was a logical network of obelisks across Egypt, because these were placed in a mathematically calculated relationship to the energies of the Earth and the orbit of the sun or moon. They worked as tools to determine the planetary orbits and the passing of time. The Egyptians had a carefully calculated calendar.

It was important to the pharaohs to erect giant obelisks, since this was a way to control people's ideas and to bring about static points of view (consensus trance). In this way the obelisks helped the pharaoh to retain power over the Egyptian people. The subjects of the pharaoh treated the obelisks with awe, as befits a symbol of power."

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/Architects_of_Deception_by_Juri_Lina.pdf

Theres definitely a reason why all this is happening in Machynlleth...

babylon2rome
09-10-2012, 02:19 AM
Well, the abduction was a week after the Autumn equinox and that pagan celebration would require a sacrifice.
Watching it now it still freaks me out ...but more in a "wow thats horrifically bad acting!" way... :eek:

mephistopheles
09-10-2012, 04:13 AM
well seems clear that its not just the media and the public who have buried this little girl..if youll pardon the expression...but in asking for 'candles to be lit in april's memory' across the uk it seems that her parents have concluded she is dead ..

on what basis they...just like the press and public ....are doing this it is really hard to make out.........as unless the old bill know something absolutely concrete they are not making publicly avaiilable but have tipped off those close to the investigation ie her parents and the MSM.....this little girl surely should only be considered missing rather than being the victim of foul play ie murdered by bridger or anyone else......have to agree with everyone else....this all seems just 'odd'...more like watching a well choreographed hollywood movie than the real life disappearance of a little girl in mid wales - with the parents already adopting the role of the grieving parents.....if this was my child i wouldnt rest and would still believe her to be alive until it was categorically confirmed otherwise........

an earlier poster asked if bridger had admitted the charges..well it appears that he merely stated he understood what he was being charged with

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-mark-bridger-court

but i wonder has he got a legal counsel yet? if not why not?.....

he has of course already been publicly condemned in the public eyes in much the same way as the landlord in the joanne yates murder was a couple of years back...that being the result of the police being hand in glove with the MSM pre-leveson of course.....well looks like nothing has changed in terms of the corrupt relationship between police and media despite leveson........but this doesnt just have echoes of that case...and maybe from what others are saying huntley..

this to me even has echoes of the framing of oswald almost 50 years ago......just like oswald a detailed profile of the guy was in the media when he had only just been taken into custody...just like oswald hes been publicly identified as the killer by the police (and now the public and press) without any apparent evidence to prove his guilt.....i wonder if he'll suffer the same fate as oswald? i also wonder if....just like oswald was denied .....he has had proper access to legal council during his detention?.......i could be proved completely wrong by forthcoming events of course but from where im standing mark bridger is beginning to look like a 'patsy'......

yass
09-10-2012, 06:22 AM
[QUOTE=yass;1061074643]Just getting acquainted. You're right there's something very similar.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01819/huntley_1819374b.jpg

Ian Huntley refuses to apologise ten years on from Soham murders

http://imageshack.us/a/img823/4540/01markbridger298579k.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/01markbridger298579k.jpg/)

Huntley cannot show remorse for a crime he didn't commit.

I hadn't heard about Huntley before his being mentioned in this thread. I thought about Vicki Lynn Hoskinson.

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/justice-delayed/Content?oid=1075419

http://alumni.arizona.edu/communications/article/646


It's similar in many ways.

The facial expressions on Ian Huntley and Mark Bridger are so similar.

yass
09-10-2012, 06:29 AM
well seems clear that its not just the media and the public who have buried this little girl..if youll pardon the expression...but in asking for 'candles to be lit in april's memory' across the uk it seems that her parents have concluded she is dead ..

on what basis they...just like the press and public ....are doing this it is really hard to make out.........as unless the old bill know something absolutely concrete they are not making publicly avaiilable but have tipped off those close to the investigation ie her parents and the MSM.....this little girl surely should only be considered missing rather than being the victim of foul play ie murdered by bridger or anyone else......have to agree with everyone else....this all seems just 'odd'...more like watching a well choreographed hollywood movie than the real life disappearance of a little girl in mid wales - with the parents already adopting the role of the grieving parents.....if this was my child i wouldnt rest and would still believe her to be alive until it was categorically confirmed otherwise........

an earlier poster asked if bridger had admitted the charges..well it appears that he merely stated he understood what he was being charged with

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-mark-bridger-court

but i wonder has he got a legal counsel yet? if not why not?.....

he has of course already been publicly condemned in the public eyes in much the same way as the landlord in the joanne yates murder was a couple of years back...that being the result of the police being hand in glove with the MSM pre-leveson of course.....well looks like nothing has changed in terms of the corrupt relationship between police and media despite leveson........but this doesnt just have echoes of that case...and maybe from what others are saying huntley..

this to me even has echoes of the framing of oswald almost 50 years ago......just like oswald a detailed profile of the guy was in the media when he had only just been taken into custody...just like oswald hes been publicly identified as the killer by the police (and now the public and press) without any apparent evidence to prove his guilt.....i wonder if he'll suffer the same fate as oswald? i also wonder if....just like oswald was denied .....he has had proper access to legal council during his detention?.......i could be proved completely wrong by forthcoming events of course but from where im standing mark bridger is beginning to look like a 'patsy'......

Yeah, could you imagine her in some room watching that on the tv and someone saying to her "See April, you have died... no one will come looking for you".

I wish that Mark Bridger would talk... to someone, his father or someone and say "Dad, I didn't do it I had nothing to do with it. This is what I did in that time period... I cooked dinner at such-and-such a time, I watched Star Trek at such-and-such a time, I ran to the store for a bite to eat at such-and-such a time, I certainly had no chance or motive to do anything sick like take that little girl or harm her in any way! I would never!" and, then the dad report to media and others what his son told him. We're not hearing that, nothing like it. Why??

brontide
09-10-2012, 06:58 AM
It has also struck me just how many 'children' stories have been in the MSM in the last few days...

April Jones disappears without trace with MASSIVE MSM coverage on the emotive (i.e. manipulative) side of the story, but almost no facts (such as evidence, such as who MB's lawyers, such as whether MB has admitted or denied the charges).

Jeremy Hunt calls for a tightening in abortion laws

Child abuse at senior levels in the BBC and media as a whole

The govt. effectively beginning to call for a cap on the number of children families can have (through the reduction of state benefits etc.)

Not sure if some of these are pure coincidence. If there is a thread running through them, I am not sure what it would be. It just seems that the MSM agenda has been very child-focussed recently.

milly
09-10-2012, 07:36 AM
Someone earlier wrote about October 12th being significant this month...(I think because Aleister Crowley was born on October 12th?)

Anyway when leylines and pagan ritual sacrifices are involved it's also important to know whats going on astronomically -

So according to this website:
http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury

The two dominant planets in October 2012 are Venus and Jupiter, and both of these brilliant beauties will be putting on quite a show all month. Watch for Venus to pair up with Regulus, the brightest star in the constellation Leo, before sunrise on Wednesday October 3, and for the waning crescent moon to couple up with Venus on Friday, October 12.

Then I had a look at Aprils name:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=April
April c.1300, aueril, from O.Fr. avril (11c.), from L. (mensis) Aprilis "(month) of Venus,"


Then I found out a bit more here, these are the colours different planets are associated with (acoording to WICCA):
http://the_mystic_moon.tripod.com/colors.htm
COLOUR: PINK
PLANET: Venus
DAY: Friday
SACRED TO: Aphrodite - Venus

Now if you take into account the "pink ribbon" movement which has been organised with such aplomb...

I'm not sure...could be clutching at straws...anyone else wana add something?:confused:

Really! Bloody hell! They even had Blackpool Tower lit up all pink yesterday and I believe loads of pink balloons and lanterns were released last night all over the place, not a single thought for the potential threat to wildlife, it's sooooo OTT! But going back to Blackpool, there's no doubt that it has ley lines running through it, Starr Gate is considered a point of interest, which I've connected with Arbor Low. I've been doing a lot of research regarding ley lines and,I should post some of the more intriguing things I've found in another thread, not here....

I did, along with the possible connection with Crowley, mention about her name, April. I really think it is significant, maybe a pointing towards a date but thanks for the other take on it. No one seems to have picked up on it.

the nine
09-10-2012, 09:39 AM
Yeah, could you imagine her in some room watching that on the tv and someone saying to her "See April, you have died... no one will come looking for you".

I wish that Mark Bridger would talk... to someone, his father or someone and say "Dad, I didn't do it I had nothing to do with it. This is what I did in that time period... I cooked dinner at such-and-such a time, I watched Star Trek at such-and-such a time, I ran to the store for a bite to eat at such-and-such a time, I certainly had no chance or motive to do anything sick like take that little girl or harm her in any way! I would never!" and, then the dad report to media and others what his son told him. We're not hearing that, nothing like it. Why??

Because the police will have instructed all people associated with the case from both sides, of the consequence's of a collapsing trial due to evidence being heard and discussed openly in public.

Nobody wants a mistrial

Nobody want a false imprisonment

Nobody wants a killer to walk on a technicality

The information must be contained.

I find it rather disgusting that the likes of Jimmy saville a notorious free mason who was protected and protected others until his death, with regards to a network of high profile paedofiles, and the deaths of children at the jersey care home at the very least.
Why are the media not contemplating that this could be the work of a paedofile ring?
In an earlier post, some one said that before April got into the vehicle she said "it's ok, I know them"
Speaks volumes if true..
Not I know him/her.. 'THEM'
Which would indicate more than one person.

dazedconfused
09-10-2012, 10:00 AM
*snipped*


some one said that before April got into the vehicle she said "it's ok, I know them"
Speaks volumes if true..
Not I know him/her.. 'THEM'

Much like Kate McScam, who supposedly screamed 'They've taken her!' when she realised her daughter was missing.

brontide
09-10-2012, 10:05 AM
Well worth considering whether this is indeed part of a 'ring'.

They always go for the 'lone' theory and people so easily fall for it. It must be much easier for people to 'understand' rather than contemplating anything even more sinister. 'The lone gunman', 'the lone nutter', 'the lone perv' etc etc.

Much about this case and the way it has had a media agenda superimposed upon it leaves me open-minded, to say the least, about alternative theories. It's felt at times more like a soap, than a real life tragedy somehow.

the nine
09-10-2012, 11:49 AM
*snipped*



Much like Kate McScam, who supposedly screamed 'They've taken her!' when she realised her daughter was missing.

Indeed
I have been briefly searching for this info but cannot find it
( I am fully aware of the McCann fiasco)

Well worth considering whether this is indeed part of a 'ring'.

They always go for the 'lone' theory and people so easily fall for it. It must be much easier for people to 'understand' rather than contemplating anything even more sinister. 'The lone gunman', 'the lone nutter', 'the lone perv' etc etc.

Much about this case and the way it has had a media agenda superimposed upon it leaves me open-minded, to say the least, about alternative theories. It's felt at times more like a soap, than a real life tragedy somehow.

Yes
It's the mind programming of the masses by the media

Fear:- child snatched and murdered

Anger:- man hunt and fingers of suspicion

Arrest:- public outrage, venting of emotion

Trial:- guilt and feelings of a safe place for children again
' go back to sleep Britain, your media and goverment will protect your peace of mind'

How many times?
How many cover ups?
D-notices and annuls of power wielding their hidden hand(shakes) to corrupt and facilitate the unthinkable

easypeasy72
09-10-2012, 12:02 PM
I think its timed perfectly to take the heat off Saville and his cronies, after all the only thing that can make a child abuser look of lesser newsworthy interest is a child killer.

silkie
09-10-2012, 12:05 PM
Imagine your kid has gone missing. The first thing the police will ask you for are photos to be distributed.
At that point you aren't going to sort through the family photos and pick out the best ones are you?
No, you'd run for the first ones that come to hand.

So to scrutinize some of the photos that the family have picked I find very unfair.

I also imagine that if she has brothers she often dresses up in their fancy dress stuff - as my kids often mix and match stuff from each other that way.
So also to pick on the photo that shows her with a mask is daft - they are trying to show that she has fun - trying to show her personality.
I also imagine that professionals are picking the later images to publish with this in mind.

The most obvious answer is usually the correct one.
And he was inviting kids into his car for a joyride a few days earlier without the parents permission.

I still think that there's a reason his car went into the garage - an alibi? a damaged front? its a bit of a coincidence.

Did he drop her off then run her over?

Let's be honest here - we don't want to admit that he may be a paedeo and even Huntley is being brought back up as a saint now.

But maybe the reason they were both arrested was because they have enough evidence to do so.

Have there been any other killings like Huntleys since? No
And will there be after this one? Probably not if they have the right guy.

Yet whoever did this would have very likely gone on to repeat it.

Maybe this is your answer.

Nothing wrong with waiting for a verdict before resting easy that the killer has been found.

But saying that Huntley is innocent or that this guy is innocent even if found guilty is a bit much.....

I heard of someone that had a best friend who was always staying over at his house.
One day he woke up after an evening drinking with his mate to find his mate in his childs bed.
His mate said that he was so drunk he didn't know where he was.

And the dad rathered go along with this than call the police as he couldn't imagine that his best mate could do anything like that.
Although something didn't feel right and he kept asking people if it sounded okay.

We tried to convince him otherwise but he was having none of it.

After a while his wife eventually called the cops and there was lots of kiddie porn on his pc.....

So you see until the evidence is presented we don't know for certain what this guy is capable of. But there's nothing wrong with locking him up for now - we don't want it to be him - we want it to be a monster - but usually the monster turns out to be someone you know and trusted.

But don't convince yourselves he's incapable of this just because he has kids, looks nice or is his best mate.....:rolleyes:

acharlatani
09-10-2012, 01:08 PM
Imagine your kid has gone missing. The first thing the police will ask you for are photos to be distributed.
At that point you aren't going to sort through the family photos and pick out the best ones are you?
No, you'd run for the first ones that come to hand.

So to scrutinize some of the photos that the family have picked I find very unfair.

I also imagine that if she has brothers she often dresses up in their fancy dress stuff - as my kids often mix and match stuff from each other that way.
So also to pick on the photo that shows her with a mask is daft - they are trying to show that she has fun - trying to show her personality.
I also imagine that professionals are picking the later images to publish with this in mind.

The most obvious answer is usually the correct one.
And he was inviting kids into his car for a joyride a few days earlier without the parents permission.

I still think that there's a reason his car went into the garage - an alibi? a damaged front? its a bit of a coincidence.

Did he drop her off then run her over?

Let's be honest here - we don't want to admit that he may be a paedeo and even Huntley is being brought back up as a saint now.

But maybe the reason they were both arrested was because they have enough evidence to do so.

Have there been any other killings like Huntleys since? No
And will there be after this one? Probably not if they have the right guy.

Yet whoever did this would have very likely gone on to repeat it.

Maybe this is your answer.

Nothing wrong with waiting for a verdict before resting easy that the killer has been found.

But saying that Huntley is innocent or that this guy is innocent even if found guilty is a bit much.....

I heard of someone that had a best friend who was always staying over at his house.
One day he woke up after an evening drinking with his mate to find his mate in his childs bed.
His mate said that he was so drunk he didn't know where he was.

And the dad rathered go along with this than call the police as he couldn't imagine that his best mate could do anything like that.
Although something didn't feel right and he kept asking people if it sounded okay.

We tried to convince him otherwise but he was having none of it.

After a while his wife eventually called the cops and there was lots of kiddie porn on his pc.....

So you see until the evidence is presented we don't know for certain what this guy is capable of. But there's nothing wrong with locking him up for now - we don't want it to be him - we want it to be a monster - but usually the monster turns out to be someone you know and trusted.

But don't convince yourselves he's incapable of this just because he has kids, looks nice or is his best mate.....:rolleyes:

I think you raise a few good points but you're missing the main point of peoples suspicions.

The police still have searches going on so they 100% have not found the little girl. However they are charging a man with murder. DNA, clothing etc in his car does not prove he killed her. Now this makes no sense. Innocent until proven guilty? What happened to that?

the nine
09-10-2012, 01:22 PM
Imagine your kid has gone missing. The first thing the police will ask you for are photos to be distributed.
At that point you aren't going to sort through the family photos and pick out the best ones are you?
No, you'd run for the first ones that come to hand.

So to scrutinize some of the photos that the family have picked I find very unfair.

I also imagine that if she has brothers she often dresses up in their fancy dress stuff - as my kids often mix and match stuff from each other that way.
So also to pick on the photo that shows her with a mask is daft - they are trying to show that she has fun - trying to show her personality.
I also imagine that professionals are picking the later images to publish with this in mind.

The most obvious answer is usually the correct one.
And he was inviting kids into his car for a joyride a few days earlier without the parents permission.

I still think that there's a reason his car went into the garage - an alibi? a damaged front? its a bit of a coincidence.

Did he drop her off then run her over?

Let's be honest here - we don't want to admit that he may be a paedeo and even Huntley is being brought back up as a saint now.

But maybe the reason they were both arrested was because they have enough evidence to do so.

Have there been any other killings like Huntleys since? No
And will there be after this one? Probably not if they have the right guy.

Yet whoever did this would have very likely gone on to repeat it.

Maybe this is your answer.

Nothing wrong with waiting for a verdict before resting easy that the killer has been found.

But saying that Huntley is innocent or that this guy is innocent even if found guilty is a bit much.....

I heard of someone that had a best friend who was always staying over at his house.
One day he woke up after an evening drinking with his mate to find his mate in his childs bed.
His mate said that he was so drunk he didn't know where he was.

And the dad rathered go along with this than call the police as he couldn't imagine that his best mate could do anything like that.
Although something didn't feel right and he kept asking people if it sounded okay.

We tried to convince him otherwise but he was having none of it.

After a while his wife eventually called the cops and there was lots of kiddie porn on his pc.....

So you see until the evidence is presented we don't know for certain what this guy is capable of. But there's nothing wrong with locking him up for now - we don't want it to be him - we want it to be a monster - but usually the monster turns out to be someone you know and trusted.

But don't convince yourselves he's incapable of this just because he has kids, looks nice or is his best mate.....:rolleyes:

In cases of such magnitude and importance don't you think that ALL the evidence must be heard?
With regards to huntly, this was not the case.. So resting easy on a guilty verdict doesn't sit easy with me..

Look at all the evidence in light now about paedophile groups.. Big powerful political groups..
You dismiss this because the police have arrested a suspect?

Your words would seem callus and cold to
Andrew Evans
Stephen downing
Stephan Kisko
Paul Blackburn
Sean Hodgson
Winston Silcott
Michelle and Lisa Taylor (very apt case)
Sally Clark
To name but a few.. And these were the 'lucky' ones who got due process eventually
How many innocents are still locked away? Or dead now?

In a world of corruption and deceit, the simplest answer is usually the one they want you to follow, by omitting some evidence at hearings

Wake up.. Nobody want killers to escape justice, which is why this forum is so popular

milly
09-10-2012, 01:25 PM
Slightly edited version of the image from the scene from the BBC website, including ALL possible parametres, the stone circle and the standing stone.

WORSHIP IT PEOPLE :eek:

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t448/Milly_Savage/578411_471534862869719_1836932549_n.jpg

I posted earlier about the 777 connection, well I found it, can't believe I missed that actually :rolleyes:

Date missing 01-10-2012 = 7
Time missing 7pm errmm = 7
250 metres from home = 7

Some other interesting 777 connections. 07/07/2005 London bombings. The 7 sided 50p and 20p pieces with the 5 and the 2 equalling to 7, again 777. The Olympic stadium dodgy lighting system, 7 on one side, 7 on the other @ 70 metres high *cough* 777. There's loads more examples in The UK :mad: Oh yeah 11/09/2001 adds up to 14, 7/7 perhaps.......

codie
09-10-2012, 01:31 PM
Yeah, could you imagine her in some room watching that on the tv and someone saying to her "See April, you have died... no one will come looking for you".



Yep :mad:

mephistopheles
09-10-2012, 01:42 PM
hi silkie just to say i dont think anyone here 'wants to believe he is innocent' as you seem to say..clearly if it established beyond doubt that he is responsible for what has happened to this little girl then he should be sentenced accordingly..

but in view of the track record of british police forces for making erroneous arrests of individuals for crimes they have not committed..or for the track record of the freemason infested british legal system for wrongly convicting people (quite deliberately in some instances ) youll forgive some of us for reserving judgement on this matter until it has been well and truly established otherwise......remember that everything you have so far been told about this case in the media and about the suspect is just hearsay......none of it s evidence.....hearsay based on voluminous police leaks to their pals in the media (ie cash filled brown envelopes - hope you are following this case mr leveson?) ....leaks of exactly the same kind we witnessed with regard to the original suspect in the joanne yates case.....

the_ohmbudsman
09-10-2012, 01:51 PM
April in what looks like a gimp mask, wearing a polka dot dress...

Gimp mask: sex slave symbolism
polka dots: known trigger for mind control subjects

http://i48.tinypic.com/f1i8n6.jpg

sick

First impression I got off this mask - and I havn't seen the photo before is that it reminds me of a dragon mask = reptillian!:rolleyes:

illuminumnuts
09-10-2012, 02:08 PM
Let's be honest here - we don't want to admit that he may be a paedeo...

If he is, then why not?

...and even Huntley is being brought back up as a saint now.

Quotes please. :confused:

But maybe the reason they were both arrested was because they have enough evidence to do so. But saying that Huntley is innocent or that this guy is innocent even if found guilty is a bit much...

What do you know about the evidence in the Huntley case? Are you are claiming to be well read up on it?

So you see until the evidence is presented we don't know for certain what this guy is capable of. But there's nothing wrong with locking him up for now - we don't want it to be him - we want it to be a monster - but usually the monster turns out to be someone you know and trusted.

Ain't that the truth... :rolleyes:

strummer101
09-10-2012, 02:14 PM
April in what looks like a gimp mask, wearing a polka dot dress...

Gimp mask: sex slave symbolism
polka dots: known trigger for mind control subjects

http://i48.tinypic.com/f1i8n6.jpg

sick

You obviously don't spend Saturday mornings watching Sky Sports - that's WWE Mexican Wrestler Rey Mysterios's trademark mask!

Although never seen him in a polka dot dress.

the nine
09-10-2012, 02:31 PM
just been following reports thought it odd that in picture of bridgers car number plate area covered by cardboard but they are giving us a number plate as a graphic, so thought i would log into we buy any car to see if this reg matches this vehicle,comes up not on their database as a registered vehicle, so went onto comparison sites to make like im buying insurance same thing, is this normal have the police done this, or is this for whatever reason a made up plate. :confused:

That is really interesting, I am surprised nobody has picked up on your post..

Why would the police give out bogus information?

Thanks for the heads up

paul_bearer
09-10-2012, 02:51 PM
It is a legitimate numberplate:

https://www.cartell.ie/ssl/servlet/beginStarLookup?registration=l503mep

http://www.anony.ws/i/2012/10/09/pWTGH.png

It might not come up on we buy any car (minus handling fee) because it isn't taxed, I don't know - you can check if it is taxed on the DVLA website.

EDIT - it might have had it's tax withdrawn to avoid people using the plate as a clone on similar cars without valid tax / insurance

the nine
09-10-2012, 02:59 PM
Some years ago i was going to work, and some school girls (10 or eleven years old, or so) who were waiting near to a bus stop - they were actually huddled in a gate-way, and were being troubled by a group of lads in a dark green discovery..... i stopped to see if they were ok, more as a deterant to the idiots in the car for them to fuck off, and i called the police who came pretty much straight away. The police asked the girls if they could describe the vehicle, and they said it was a black van. When they asked me i told them it was a green discovery.

You have to remember that children don't look for details, if you have never seen a discovery or a land rover, and you are asked what one is, then is it so surprising that you would think it was a van?

Ironic that how the very same vehicles were mis identified by children..

velma
09-10-2012, 03:01 PM
well seems clear that its not just the media and the public who have buried this little girl..if youll pardon the expression...but in asking for 'candles to be lit in april's memory' across the uk it seems that her parents have concluded she is dead ..

on what basis they...just like the press and public ....are doing this it is really hard to make out.........as unless the old bill know something absolutely concrete they are not making publicly avaiilable but have tipped off those close to the investigation ie her parents and the MSM.....this little girl surely should only be considered missing rather than being the victim of foul play ie murdered by bridger or anyone else......have to agree with everyone else....this all seems just 'odd'...more like watching a well choreographed hollywood movie than the real life disappearance of a little girl in mid wales - with the parents already adopting the role of the grieving parents.....if this was my child i wouldnt rest and would still believe her to be alive until it was categorically confirmed otherwise.........

"...while we still do no know what happened to Madeleine, there remains no evidence whatsoever to suggest that she has come to serious harm." - Kate McCann (from her book.)

Why is this logic not also applicable to April? Although, I would argue that being snatched from your family by a "predator" as the McCann's call it, would constitute "serious harm."

To the poster who thinks Huntley is being 'sainted' show me the evidence that he abducted, molested and killed the Soham girls, please, because it was not presented at his trial.

As for the stone circles and standing stone at Machynlleth, that is quite significant, because it indicates this is indeed an ancient pagan holy site.

the nine
09-10-2012, 03:02 PM
It is a legitimate numberplate:

https://www.cartell.ie/ssl/servlet/beginStarLookup?registration=l503mep

http://www.anony.ws/i/2012/10/09/pWTGH.png

It might not come up on we buy any car (minus handling fee) because it isn't taxed, I don't know - you can check if it is taxed on the DVLA website.

EDIT - it might have had it's tax withdrawn to avoid people using the plate as a clone on similar cars without valid tax / insurance

Thanks for that..

But I doubt people would use the ID of a suspected child snatcher and murderer to avoid road tax

paul_bearer
09-10-2012, 03:09 PM
Thanks for that..

But I doubt people would use the ID of a suspected child snatcher and murderer to avoid road tax

Well maybe not - but it's only a ANPR camera that catches you, it's not going to judge you!

the nine
09-10-2012, 03:12 PM
Lol, I was born on the day of the dead.
I don't know if there's any CT's about it though.

I think you may have missed the UN
:D

the nine
09-10-2012, 03:16 PM
Well maybe not - but it's only a ANPR camera that catches you, it's not going to judge you!

You think not?
I would imagine that is set to highest priorty in the network.

I can't see you traveling very far with that registration tbh, I think you would have several blue lights in you mirror quick time!

milly
09-10-2012, 03:30 PM
Apperently, I've not looked into this properly so bear this in mind, it's called the Gorsedd Stone circle in the immediate vicinity where she went missing. I looked up the word "Gorsedd" and found a curious connection between the name and a Druid ritual/rite of passage that was read out at the closing ceremony at the Paralympics! The girl has cerebal palsy..........:(

the nine
09-10-2012, 03:35 PM
As a mum I take my kids to parents evenings with me and at age 5 would never think of allowing them to go on trips with a single man without me - even if they had kids -








Do you suspect all single dads are potential rapists/ paedophiles and not to be trusted?

Would you allow a five year old on a trip with out you if it was a single mother ?

We can pass our fear onto our children.
It can be quite damaging for them in the long run.

Or am I missing the point, do you mean you would love to go an a trip with a single man?

the nine
09-10-2012, 04:08 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/april-jones-missing-witness-tells-1363171


April Jones: Family reveal she has been on fishing trip with murder suspect Mark Bridger

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9589441/April-Jones-Family-reveal-she-has-been-on-fishing-trip-with-murder-suspect-Mark-Bridger.html

Did this pensioner know mark bridgers vehicle?

Was the vehicle a car or a van?

How many occupants?

There can't be many houses what can see the garages at the alleged abduction site..
It won't take a genius to find this pensioner on line

Google maps and address searches are in order

jesuitsdidit
09-10-2012, 04:42 PM
Just getting acquainted. You're right there's something very similar.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01819/huntley_1819374b.jpg

Ian Huntley refuses to apologise ten years on from Soham murders

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9384582/Ian-Huntley-refuses-to-apologise-ten-years-on-from-Soham-murders.html

make sure u study IH v carefully so u can spot the fake once theyve killed him.

jesuitsdidit
09-10-2012, 04:45 PM
But when the article says-
...(Wayne) has lifted the lid on the killer’s “cushy” life behind bars in a new book, claiming he “swaggers around prison” enjoying the notoriety that his crimes bring.

this is from MSM
MSM is 100% controlled

you can not rely on anything in MSM

its a control tool.

the nine
09-10-2012, 04:47 PM
I have read through all sources I can find so far..

Mark bridgers could have been disposing of illegal weapons he had, when the police were conducting house to house searches..
Could he have been desperate to dispose of these? Putting himself in the spotlight with this suspicious behaviour?

The pensioner who had been questioned 4 times by police, was watching the girls playing.. At the garages

I couldn't see a house where you could see the garages from on google maps
The fences and garages are too high, or the house is too far back

Edit:-
http://maps.gstatic.com/m/streetview/?panoid=gFmlPA6ZL8HQj0NTvarGAA&cbp=0,249.4439547828564,,0,0

jesuitsdidit
09-10-2012, 04:48 PM
[QUOTE=yass;1061074643]Just getting acquainted. You're right there's something very similar.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01819/huntley_1819374b.jpg

Ian Huntley refuses to apologise ten years on from Soham murders

http://imageshack.us/a/img823/4540/01markbridger298579k.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/01markbridger298579k.jpg/)

Huntley cannot show remorse for a crime he didn't commit.

i'm much more inclined to think huntley and bridger have been set up & r totally innocent

this fits much better with everything i know.

nobodyswife
09-10-2012, 04:59 PM
Apperently, I've not looked into this properly so bear this in mind, it's called the Gorsedd Stone circle in the immediate vicinity where she went missing. I looked up the word "Gorsedd" and found a curious connection between the name and a Druid ritual/rite of passage that was read out at the closing ceremony at the Paralympics! The girl has cerebal palsy..........:(

I was looking at Welsh and stone circles and it lead me to this:

Address:
King Arthur's Labyrinth, Corris, Machynlleth, Powys SY20 9RF
Telephone: 01654 761584
Email:
Website:
Open:
Admission:
Distance: 4.41 miles

Guide
King Arthur's Labyrinth is an exiting visitor attraction in Corris, near Machynlleth. An underground boat will take you magically through a waterfall and deep into the spectacular caverns under the Braichgoch Mountain. As visitors walk through the caverns, Welsh tales of King Arthur are told, with tableaux and stunning sound and light effects.

underground boat ? caverns ?

Creepy.

for map :http://www.visitoruk.com/att_detail.php?id=2813&cid=565&f=Machynlleth

The Gorsedd of the Bards has three orders/degrees:

■The Order of Ovates: in green robes. Candidates who pass Levels 1 and 2 in Gorsedd examinations in poetry, prose, music, or the tests for harpists and singers are admitted into this order. Members can be admitted to the order as honorary members for contributions of national significance. Several members of the royal family, including Queen Elizabeth, the Duke of Edinburgh and King George, have been admitted to this Order.

■The Order of Bards, in blue robes. Those who have passed the final Gorsedd examination are admitted to this order. Those who have gained a degree in Welsh or Music (and who can speak Welsh) can also be admitted.
Members are admitted to these orders during the Monday morning ceremony in the Gorsedd Circle. The Herald Bard and the Bearer of the Grand Sword walk towards the entrance to the Circle and hold the Sword across it to bar the way. Every new member places his/her right hand on the Sword's blade. After a new member has been admitted he/she is led by the Marshalls to the Mistress of the Robes to be invested with his/her Order's head-dress.
■The Order of Druids: in white robes. The winners of the main competitions - the Chair, the Crown and the Literary Medal - are admitted automatically to this Order. Others are 'elevated' to be Druids from the green or blue Orders. Every year, too, those who have served the nation, the Welsh language and its culture are honoured by being admitted to the Order of Druids, among them world-famous singers and actors such as Bryn Terfel, Sian Phillips and Ioan Gruffudd; influential Welshmen such as the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Right Reverend Rowan Williams and star footballers and rugby players.

read more:

http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/2828/

truthful
09-10-2012, 05:28 PM
I was looking at Welsh and stone circles and it lead me to this:

Address:
King Arthur's Labyrinth, Corris, Machynlleth, Powys SY20 9RF
Telephone: 01654 761584
Email:
Website:
Open:
Admission:
Distance: 4.41 miles

Guide
King Arthur's Labyrinth is an exiting visitor attraction in Corris, near Machynlleth. An underground boat will take you magically through a waterfall and deep into the spectacular caverns under the Braichgoch Mountain. As visitors walk through the caverns, Welsh tales of King Arthur are told, with tableaux and stunning sound and light effects.

underground boat ? caverns ?

Creepy.

for map :http://www.visitoruk.com/att_detail.php?id=2813&cid=565&f=Machynlleth

The Gorsedd of the Bards has three orders/degrees:

■The Order of Ovates: in green robes. Candidates who pass Levels 1 and 2 in Gorsedd examinations in poetry, prose, music, or the tests for harpists and singers are admitted into this order. Members can be admitted to the order as honorary members for contributions of national significance. Several members of the royal family, including Queen Elizabeth, the Duke of Edinburgh and King George, have been admitted to this Order.

■The Order of Bards, in blue robes. Those who have passed the final Gorsedd examination are admitted to this order. Those who have gained a degree in Welsh or Music (and who can speak Welsh) can also be admitted.
Members are admitted to these orders during the Monday morning ceremony in the Gorsedd Circle. The Herald Bard and the Bearer of the Grand Sword walk towards the entrance to the Circle and hold the Sword across it to bar the way. Every new member places his/her right hand on the Sword's blade. After a new member has been admitted he/she is led by the Marshalls to the Mistress of the Robes to be invested with his/her Order's head-dress.
■The Order of Druids: in white robes. The winners of the main competitions - the Chair, the Crown and the Literary Medal - are admitted automatically to this Order. Others are 'elevated' to be Druids from the green or blue Orders. Every year, too, those who have served the nation, the Welsh language and its culture are honoured by being admitted to the Order of Druids, among them world-famous singers and actors such as Bryn Terfel, Sian Phillips and Ioan Gruffudd; influential Welshmen such as the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Right Reverend Rowan Williams and star footballers and rugby players.

read more:

http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/2828/

Well, well, well an Archbishop who is also a druid....it doesn't add up plus Druids were supposed to practice human sacrifice :eek:

World-wide concern, from those Christians who still see any relevance to the appointment of an Anglican Archbishop, grew stronger with the news that Williams had been inducted into 'the Gorsedd of Bards', reported to be an historic order of Druids with pagan roots. Williams apparently went through an hour-long ceremony at sunrise within a circle of standing stones like those at Stonehenge and the significance was variously reported, e.g.: 'The Gorsedd of Bards takes its name from the high seat, which was the mount on which the sacred kings were wedded to the female spirit of the land in ancient times.'



http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page118.html

It gets darker and darker by the minute.....:(

yass
09-10-2012, 05:32 PM
April in what looks like a gimp mask, wearing a polka dot dress...

Gimp mask: sex slave symbolism
polka dots: known trigger for mind control subjects

http://i48.tinypic.com/f1i8n6.jpg

sick

The mask reminded me of batman.

yass
09-10-2012, 05:36 PM
Did this pensioner know mark bridgers vehicle?

Was the vehicle a car or a van?

How many occupants?

There can't be many houses what can see the garages at the alleged abduction site..
It won't take a genius to find this pensioner on line

Google maps and address searches are in order

Or someone who lives in the vicinity locate him and go ask some questions.

ecomum
09-10-2012, 05:36 PM
I normally just read stuff on this forum but I feel compelled to post here.

When the news first broke that April had gone missing a number of us on a particular forum noticed that Sky news's website had a picture of a map of spain up instead of a map of Wales showing Machynlleth. It was changed fairly quickly and although we thought it was abit strange I thought nothing more of it. However I have just read this http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/10/09/olive-press-investigates-mark-bridger-spanish-connection/

I know it doesn't say much but I just wondered if there was a connection to Sky News "accidentally" putting a map of spain on their website in relation to this story and does it make it more likely that the case is related to Maddy McCann in terms of who has her - if she is stil alive?

the nine
09-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Or someone who lives in the vicinity locate him and go ask some questions.

He said he watched a group of children playing at the garages..
Yet other reports say it was 2 girls..

I would be very interested in knowing where this vehicle was actually parked and which way it was facing.

If the pensioner saw this vehicle cruising up and down the street, this would mean the pensioner lived opposite the entrance to the garages from the road.

babylon2rome
09-10-2012, 07:27 PM
This is really coincidental - just in light of all the talk about Machynlleth in terms of being an ancient pagan site with many megaliths etc...and the ritual which is obviously taking place not only in terms of the poor girl April, but also the affect of the control of the masses via the media etc...

Check out this article by vigilantcitizen which went up just a while ago:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-cabin-in-the-woods-a-movie-celebrating-the-elites-ritual-sacrifices/

Quote:
This elite organization, as powerful as it is, only obeys the will of dark forces called “The Ancients” and “the gods”. The “technicians” overseeing the ritual are actually members of an occult brotherhood and their job is to make sure rituals are complete.

soosan
09-10-2012, 10:04 PM
I freely admit I havnt read all the posts but was talking with friends about this case and now Im very disturbed and wonder if they have the right person.1) It was said that April got in the drivers side so must have been a left hand drive.Couldnt a driver in a right hand drive have just dragged her in? 2) There are LOADS and LOADS of 4 wheel drive/landrover type vehicles here in Wales 3) I was told there is a main road near to where April got into the vehicle that goes away from the area where the searching was taking place.If Mr Bridger did abduct her surely he would drive AWAY from where he lived and not towards it? Have any searches taken place in the opposite direction? 4) As Mr Bridger was known to the family and April played with his daughters AND had previously been in his vehicle the probability of forensic evidence being found is very very high.Im keeping an open mind on this case. I live in hope that April will turn up safe and well.

dontbelievethegovernment
09-10-2012, 10:25 PM
Hope i can explain my thoughts as clear as they are in my head, the police were actively looking for Mark Bridger almost immediately after the alarm was raised, on the say so of the child witness. Yet he managed to go home, go to work, take his vehicle into a garage and walk along the riverbank. (two female witnesses are reported to have phoned the police at 1.30) yet it was a full two hours before he was picked up nearby! Why was Coral Jones knocking on doors when she was fully aware of who was meant to have abducted April? Why did she not shout it from the roof tops who had taken April ( i know the police would of strongly advised her not to do that) but in her shoes what would you do? There is talk of tyre tracks being found by the riverbank, which was extremely muddy, yet there is no sign of mud or grass on his vehicle, why have the police not revealed when it was taken to the garage to help potential witnesses, Why was the picture released of Mark Bridger frankly not much of a resemblance to how he looks now? Why did a helicopter not pick up his vehicle on the night? Why was all the focus on the white van, near to were he was picked up? yet the press never once questioned the police over this. What evidence do they actually have? to leave it so late in charging him, obviously no confession, no creditable DNA, and a few barely believable statements, given how they acted on the information.

tien an
09-10-2012, 11:14 PM
Hope i can explain my thoughts as clear as they are in my head, the police were actively looking for Mark Bridger almost immediately after the alarm was raised, on the say so of the child witness. Yet he managed to go home, go to work, take his vehicle into a garage and walk along the riverbank. (two female witnesses are reported to have phoned the police at 1.30) yet it was a full two hours before he was picked up nearby! Why was Coral Jones knocking on doors when she was fully aware of who was meant to have abducted April? Why did she not shout it from the roof tops who had taken April ( i know the police would of strongly advised her not to do that) but in her shoes what would you do? There is talk of tyre tracks being found by the riverbank, which was extremely muddy, yet there is no sign of mud or grass on his vehicle, why have the police not revealed when it was taken to the garage to help potential witnesses, Why was the picture released of Mark Bridger frankly not much of a resemblance to how he looks now? Why did a helicopter not pick up his vehicle on the night? Why was all the focus on the white van, near to were he was picked up? yet the press never once questioned the police over this. What evidence do they actually have? to leave it so late in charging him, obviously no confession, no creditable DNA, and a few barely believable statements, given how they acted on the information.

I haven't been watching the coverage and am not aware that a white van was focused on
near to where he was picked up, but it would tie in with the reports of attempted abductions
around the UK in the weeks leading up to this event.
I'm incredulous then, that more people are not questioning the fact that the police now have
a blue 4 WD in their possession...
Where's the connection?
Why aren't more people (especially the press) questioning it?


Strange days indeed...


tian an.

milly
09-10-2012, 11:24 PM
I freely admit I havnt read all the posts but was talking with friends about this case and now Im very disturbed and wonder if they have the right person.1) It was said that April got in the drivers side so must have been a left hand drive.Couldnt a driver in a right hand drive have just dragged her in? 2) There are LOADS and LOADS of 4 wheel drive/landrover type vehicles here in Wales 3) I was told there is a main road near to where April got into the vehicle that goes away from the area where the searching was taking place.If Mr Bridger did abduct her surely he would drive AWAY from where he lived and not towards it? Have any searches taken place in the opposite direction? 4) As Mr Bridger was known to the family and April played with his daughters AND had previously been in his vehicle the probability of forensic evidence being found is very very high.Im keeping an open mind on this case. I live in hope that April will turn up safe and well.

I have a suspicion that bringing in the left hand drive vehicle conspiracy into the news, allowed them to get the story more international, which combined with the vague Spanish connection, it did.

wordofnothing
09-10-2012, 11:56 PM
Lets not forget this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130844

The painting Sarah done was very interesing.


This whole April case is not adding up right, we need to watch this one closely.

babylon2rome
10-10-2012, 12:07 AM
The media aren't here to serve YOU - theyre there to serve their MASTERS..

Who owns Reuters and many other media agncies? the Rothschilds..
Rupert Murdoch is a Knight of Malta...how many media outlets does he own?
The Oppenheimers own tonnes of media agencies...and are also one of the top illuminati bloodlines...

These are the "elite" scum that Kubrick was referring to in "Eyes Wide Shut" - in the movie he showed they they hold satanic ritual sacrifices in their mansions and palaces...do you think Kay Burley is going to make like Colombo and expose them??!

If scum like Kay Burley is told to assassinate the character of a man who should be innocent until proven guilty - then she'll gladly do it - if you x-rayed this woman - instead of a spine you'd see satans cock running up her back...

------

Anyway I think John Swinton said it best in 1880....at the time he was a preeminent New York journalist. One night at a banquet attended by dozens of prominent journalists - he took to the stage to give a speech...

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.

There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with.

The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon(satan), and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

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Just watch "Eyes Wide Shut" again..

The people that attend these ceremonies OWN the media...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ3hOBZ_byo

By the way, Tom Cruise plays the part of Stanley Kubrick in this movie - an outsider who was trying to make it in their satanic world - but eventually became repulsed by being witness to human sacrifice, torture (for black magick and sex rituals) and wanted out....after he made this movie, Warner Bros went mental and said he had to do a massive editing job...he refused...and a few days later he was found dead....

But, the movie still gives tonnes of info to those who connect the dots....the mansion he used in the movie was owned by the Rothschilds ...

By the way Milton Keynes a brand new area which was built by the Rothschilds, contains tonnes of occult architecture ...recognise the masks??

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3157/1220/1600/Dangerous_Liaisons.jpg


http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3157/1220/1600/EWS%20Statue%20and%20Film%20Clip.jpg

babylon2rome
10-10-2012, 12:36 AM
Lets not forget this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130844

The painting Sarah done was very interesing.


This whole April case is not adding up right, we need to watch this one closely.

Hadnt seen that painting - thats unreal...ill have a read of all that now - but just a bit more on that - check this article out ...
http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-world-of-mind-control-through-the-eyes-of-an-artist-with-13-alter-personas/

It really sheds light onto what really goes on behind the scenes and unfortunately brings into question, whether the family are involved or not...

the nine
10-10-2012, 12:43 AM
I have been looking on google maps..
The house I ASSUME is the pensioners (witness) is opposite the garages entrance, it has net curtains up and rose bushes in the front garden, a shed to the rear and woodland directly behind the back garden.

On google maps there is a silver car, people carrier shape on the road..
But if you move further down the road and try to see into the side and back garden of the house, the images have been stitched together..
Then a blue 4x4 is parked outside comes into focus with what appears to be tree cuttings etc
Is this the pensioners car?
Is he quite active and familiar with the woodlands?

I have read quotes where he states " I was the last person to see April alive"
He has to be a suspect if he actually said that, surely!

Also, he said there were a group of them playing on their bikes.. Yet I read it was just 2 girls 5 and 7 years old
I don't want to cause trouble, but, was he watching the girls?
Why say a group if there were only 2, was he trying ti draw attention away from the fact he was watching two young girls..

Did anyone else see a car cruising up and down the lane/street?

five o nine
10-10-2012, 01:05 AM
Mark Bridger's father worked in the MET police for 30 years and was a royal protection officer who guarded the Queen Mother.

Maurice Hartigan — the boyfriend of Bridger’s sister Karen — said: “His old man was a serving copper."

“He used to escort the Queen Mum around.”

There you go. Connecting the dots. Plus his military service. Makes for a likely candidate.

silkie
10-10-2012, 02:19 AM
Do you suspect all single dads are potential rapists/ paedophiles and not to be trusted?

Would you allow a five year old on a trip with out you if it was a single mother ?

We can pass our fear onto our children.
It can be quite damaging for them in the long run.

Or am I missing the point, do you mean you would love to go an a trip with a single man?

No I wouldn't let my kids go on a trip alone with a single mother either at age 5.
Not even a couple in fact just to clear that up.

School trips usually have lots of kids, teachers and parents.
In fact until about age 7 the parents are expected to go on the school trips with their kids. Then after that age some parents will go and others won't have to. Usually you find a close friend that is going and ask them to keep an eye on your child.

It's just not done around here to let small children go places without parents.

Not until they are capable of speaking coherently and are able to not cry when away from parents for a long time. Usually about age 8 or 9 will parents start allowing sleepovers.
And parents tend to be even more protective over girls sleepovers at others houses than the boys.
I'm just saying how it is.

I don't pass fear onto my kids I also don't put them in danger by not telling them the truth about how the world is.

For example as a child I was taught 'stranger danger' until it was firmly embedded in my head not to talk to or trust strangers.

There was a local man that dressed up as a cop, a traffic warden, a lollipop man, anything that attracted kids to him.
Everyone knew he was weird but no one told us not to speak to him.
He wasn't a stranger. We made fun of him mostly and people thought he was harmless - but today he would have been arrested for impersonating a cop
not to mention he'd probably be branded a paedo.

Then there was the 18 year old boy that hung around the kids park.
He wasn't a stranger either, we all knew him as he sat on the swings chatting to the kids.
Not until the park was cordoned off with tape and our parents stopped us going out alone did we realise what had happened.
The 18 year old boy had raped a young girl.

So that is how my parents brought me up. The world has not become less safe we have just become more aware of the dangers.

I tell my kids that it's not just strangers that may be a danger - such as anyone asking a child directions from a car - which they know to run away from.
( I also got dropped off by a school bus at the wrong place and had to walk a mile home in the rain - a man asked me for directions and tried to pull me into his car
but another car came along and stopped to help me so he sped off) - so again that was learned from experience.

I also tell them that everyone has free will so anyone can be good or bad.
That means that even people you trust such as teachers could be bad one day. Far from living in fear, they know what to look out for - such as being taken away from the other kids somewhere alone, an adult asking them to keep a secret, leaving the school without a parent's permission, anyone picking them up - even relatives- without having spoken to a parent on the phone about it first.

I have taught them how normal adults react in situations and how bad adults may react so that they can tell the difference.

I wish that my parents had done the same for me because you can't imagine how much I lived in fear after knowing my parents had left me play in danger.

At least my kids know that there are safe ways to play and that going out of sight of an adult puts them in danger.
They play feeling safe which is the opposite of living in fear.

I also teach them self defence which has come in handy against some school bullies and has given them confidence - not over confidence I might add - just enough to know how to react, get away and get help.

Pretend that the world is full of cotton candy if you want but they will be dissapointed and feel like you lied to them.

But lets be sensible here - at age 5 they go to school - this should be the only dangerous situation they are put in at that age.
No need to have them play outside without parents - no need to give them to a single man on a day trip to the beach.

So no need for a serious talk at that age - just a little one about safety at school is needed.

the nine
10-10-2012, 09:32 AM
No I wouldn't let my kids go on a trip alone with a single mother either at age 5.
Not even a couple in fact just to clear that up.

School trips usually have lots of kids, teachers and parents.
In fact until about age 7 the parents are expected to go on the school trips with their kids. Then after that age some parents will go and others won't have to. Usually you find a close friend that is going and ask them to keep an eye on your child.

It's just not done around here to let small children go places without parents.

Not until they are capable of speaking coherently and are able to not cry when away from parents for a long time. Usually about age 8 or 9 will parents start allowing sleepovers.
And parents tend to be even more protective over girls sleepovers at others houses than the boys.
I'm just saying how it is.

I don't pass fear onto my kids I also don't put them in danger by not telling them the truth about how the world is.

For example as a child I was taught 'stranger danger' until it was firmly embedded in my head not to talk to or trust strangers.

There was a local man that dressed up as a cop, a traffic warden, a lollipop man, anything that attracted kids to him.
Everyone knew he was weird but no one told us not to speak to him.
He wasn't a stranger. We made fun of him mostly and people thought he was harmless - but today he would have been arrested for impersonating a cop
not to mention he'd probably be branded a paedo.

Then there was the 18 year old boy that hung around the kids park.
He wasn't a stranger either, we all knew him as he sat on the swings chatting to the kids.
Not until the park was cordoned off with tape and our parents stopped us going out alone did we realise what had happened.
The 18 year old boy had raped a young girl.

So that is how my parents brought me up. The world has not become less safe we have just become more aware of the dangers.

I tell my kids that it's not just strangers that may be a danger - such as anyone asking a child directions from a car - which they know to run away from.
( I also got dropped off by a school bus at the wrong place and had to walk a mile home in the rain - a man asked me for directions and tried to pull me into his car
but another car came along and stopped to help me so he sped off) - so again that was learned from experience.

I also tell them that everyone has free will so anyone can be good or bad.
That means that even people you trust such as teachers could be bad one day. Far from living in fear, they know what to look out for - such as being taken away from the other kids somewhere alone, an adult asking them to keep a secret, leaving the school without a parent's permission, anyone picking them up - even relatives- without having spoken to a parent on the phone about it first.

I have taught them how normal adults react in situations and how bad adults may react so that they can tell the difference.

I wish that my parents had done the same for me because you can't imagine how much I lived in fear after knowing my parents had left me play in danger.

At least my kids know that there are safe ways to play and that going out of sight of an adult puts them in danger.
They play feeling safe which is the opposite of living in fear.

I also teach them self defence which has come in handy against some school bullies and has given them confidence - not over confidence I might add - just enough to know how to react, get away and get help.

Pretend that the world is full of cotton candy if you want but they will be dissapointed and feel like you lied to them.

But lets be sensible here - at age 5 they go to school - this should be the only dangerous situation they are put in at that age.
No need to have them play outside without parents - no need to give them to a single man on a day trip to the beach.

So no need for a serious talk at that age - just a little one about safety at school is needed.

Has your diligence paid off?
Has none of your children been attacked by an adult?

Btw none of my family or my friends family's children have been attacked by adults..
It really is quite rare, unless by a family member, some one they really trust.

If you show your children no trust at all, they may react out of character to someone who does..

Little April went on a fishing trip with mark bridger, it could have been a great day for her she obviously returned home safe and sound.
This trip could have been entirely innocent.. Now it is confirmation that single men are not to be trusted with neighbours children, even in close nit communities. A terrible shame allround!
The fact that she was snatched off the street in front of other children seems odd even for a paedofile who is targeting a local girl he may have groomed.. Why take her so late in the day when she will be missed very soon?

His/her/their window will be very small before the alarm is raised.

Maybe this was an opportunist snatching, by someone who knew the children's pattern of behaviour, and realized that the usual pattern was different, as she was out later than usual..

I think the left hand drive vehicle, and the fact that April knew mark bridger along with the erratic driving on the day, are the links the police are sticking with.. They think the coincidences on that day are too great and that he must be the main suspect IMHO

phildee3
10-10-2012, 10:35 AM
The fact that she was snatched off the street in front of other children seems odd even for a paedofile who is targeting a local girl he may have groomed.. Why take her so late in the day when she will be missed very soon?

His/her/their window will be very small before the alarm is raised.

Maybe this was an opportunist snatching, by someone who knew the children's pattern of behaviour, and realized that the usual pattern was different, as she was out later than usual..



Maybe Bridger is a patsy. Maybe he picked her up, in all innocence, for somebody else.

jubbly
10-10-2012, 10:38 AM
The judge has said he wants the trial brought forward as quickly as possible because the witnesses are children.:eek:

Wtf?

the nine
10-10-2012, 12:12 PM
Maybe Bridger is a patsy. Maybe he picked her up, in all innocence, for somebody else.

He could well be..

But the timeline for a snatching and murder and body disposal is very tight.

For him not to loose and DNA or cadaver odours in his house or vehicle.. Unless they have found it and are saying nothing!

I would like to know more about this pensioner phil

the nine
10-10-2012, 12:13 PM
The judge has said he wants the trial brought forward as quickly as possible because the witnesses are children.:eek:

Wtf?

Have you got a link jubbly

mephistopheles
10-10-2012, 02:20 PM
cant believe that one poster on here is still peddling the hoary old myths about paedophiles ie they are single males...where on earth have you been over the last decade?...do you not read the news stories in which many of those arrested for child porn and things have been married....in all probability there are 'respectable married' people you know who are paedophiles.......also most victims of child abuse are abused by a person the child and their family knows and trusts....not 'dodgy looking strangers' or 'single males'.....this media manufactured obsession with gangs of paedos lurking on every street corner waiting to drag kids off the streets is of course one of the chief reasons for obesity among young people and children....they are driven everywhere by fearful parents (ie programmed robots) who imagine britain's streets and playgrounds (those that havent been sold off) are crawling with paedos (all single males of course) waiting to grab their kids.....the pathetic sad truth of course is that these kids being driven everywhere (and getting more obese by the day) are at far more risk from adults they are in regular contact with and who are known to them than any strangers lurking on any streets........

rapunzel
10-10-2012, 02:32 PM
Apperently, I've not looked into this properly so bear this in mind, it's called the Gorsedd Stone circle in the immediate vicinity where she went missing. I looked up the word "Gorsedd" and found a curious connection between the name and a Druid ritual/rite of passage that was read out at the closing ceremony at the Paralympics! The girl has cerebal palsy..........:(

The Gorsedd stone circle was created in 1937 for the National Eisteddfod which took place in Machynlleth that year. An Eisteddfod is a celebration of Welsh music and poetry and is held in a different location in Wales every year. Stones are erected to commemorate each festival. Gorsedd is a Welsh name that means 'throne' and is used to describe a coming together of modern-day bards.

It's sad to see that some people like to try and link anything evil to places and events with a Pagan theme and hijack incidents like the tragic disappearance of this poor child for their own agenda. I've noticed several people here doing exactly that.

silkie
10-10-2012, 03:05 PM
cant believe that one poster on here is still peddling the hoary old myths about paedophiles ie they are single males...where on earth have you been over the last decade?...do you not read the news stories in which many of those arrested for child porn and things have been married....in all probability there are 'respectable married' people you know who are paedophiles.......also most victims of child abuse are abused by a person the child and their family knows and trusts....not 'dodgy looking strangers' or 'single males'.....this media manufactured obsession with gangs of paedos lurking on every street corner waiting to drag kids off the streets is of course one of the chief reasons for obesity among young people and children....they are driven everywhere by fearful parents (ie programmed robots) who imagine britain's streets and playgrounds (those that havent been sold off) are crawling with paedos (all single males of course) waiting to grab their kids.....the pathetic sad truth of course is that these kids being driven everywhere (and getting more obese by the day) are at far more risk from adults they are in regular contact with and who are known to them than any strangers lurking on any streets........

I wouldn't leave my 5 year old with a single male, a married male or even a single female or married female alone ....no.
It juts so happens that this bloke was a single male - he could have been married it would have been the same - when people are looking after kids on their own that aren't theirs unless they have been police checked you have to be careful because that is giving them an opportunity.

With a child as young as 5 you can't ask them what happened so its best to wait until they are able to speak so you can tell if a babysitter is to be trusted is what I'm saying.

It's okay to use a babysitter for a small child that hasn't been checked if you know them well as long as you have an older child that can speak up for them and tell you everything was okay.

Look its just common sense parenting.

And it is more common for males to be paedophiles than females so I don't see why you wouldn't be more wary of a man that enjoys spending time with small kids than a woman.

I'm a small woman and I've been jumped on by a would be rapist with a knife and duct tape and if I didn't know self defence I would probably not be here today so I don't think its a joke to imagine that a small person or child cannot defend themselves enough to get away from an adult - it is possible.
Just a kick or punch in the groin gives you those extra few seconds to escape.

I have also had someone try to pull me into a car after asking me for directions ( I ignored him) when I was a child walking home from school and the new bus driver refused to go the last mile to my house. I had no money to phone home. No mobile phones back then. It was raining. If another car hadn't seen and beeped him and stopped to help and he hadn't sped off I may not have been here either - and my parents didn't purposely abandon me so it can happen to anyone.

Has my life experiences altered my perception?
Probably. Is that a bad thing?

I teach my children to treat others as they treat you.
I also teach them about the patterns of behaviour that bad people do so they can recognise it.

The day trip was with parental permission - that was their call. Not one I'd have done.
The joyrides in his car without parental permission was totally unacceptable and alarm bells were ringing in the older kids head.
The 7 year old had obviously been warned appropriately that that sort of behaviour was abnormal for an adult to do.

All I'm trying to do is give advice on how you can teach your kids some modern day safety tips rather than just the old fashioned 'stranger danger' crap.

If its not wanted then I'll gladly shut up.

But speaking as someone who almost got kidnapped by a guy in a car
as a child - I think ignoring strangers in cars talking to you - could have been changed to 'run like f***' .

The internet and foreign cultures has changed our society - you may live in a quiet cul-de-sac but you have no idea where the neighbours go to on their pc at night or who will drive past your house.

Don't scare your kids but make it part of their routine to be alert and then if something bad happens at least you can say that you did your best and you didn't play russian roulette with their safety.

And my kids play outside with their friends all the time - in a childrens park - supervised by adults.
They don't feel restrained they feel safe.
They go on bikes, roller skate - all supervised by parents.
So kids don't get fat just because parents are watching them. That's untrue.
Kids get fat because kids aren't watching them - they leave them go on he internet and they are in far more danger
from pedophiles there than anywhere else.

nocternald
10-10-2012, 03:11 PM
April in what looks like a gimp mask, wearing a polka dot dress...

Gimp mask: sex slave symbolism
polka dots: known trigger for mind control subjects

http://i48.tinypic.com/f1i8n6.jpg


sick


NO!

ok, i will make this clear

NO!

WHY?
http://www.psp-themes.net/data/media/4/Rey%20Mysterio.jpg
Rey Mysterio returns 2012 (07/16/12) - YouTube


KIDS like WWE Wrestling, nothing more!

Rey Mysterio is a Hispanic luchador, it is traditional for luchadors to wear masks.

Again, NOTHING more!

jubbly
10-10-2012, 03:45 PM
Have you got a link jubbly

It was a BBC news reporter outside the crown court.

He clearly said that the judge is bringing it forward so the child witnesses don't forget.

He also said it was being held locally so that all the witness don't have to travel too far.

I kid you not. I could not believe what I was hearing. A rushed trial!!!

And still no indication of how he is pleading.

godspeed
10-10-2012, 04:05 PM
Is'nt using only child witness's a wee bit like the witch-hunt trials....

That was clearly decided they dont make reliable witness's

Thanks for all the updates here...news is saying fuck all now

done and dusted...we want the truth here ffs

the nine
10-10-2012, 05:03 PM
It was a BBC news reporter outside the crown court.

He clearly said that the judge is bringing it forward so the child witnesses don't forget.

He also said it was being held locally so that all the witness don't have to travel too far.

I kid you not. I could not believe what I was hearing. A rushed trial!!!

And still no indication of how he is pleading.

The case has been adjourned until jan 12th

The prosecution has been informed of his likely defence due to the statements taken so far

The location of the hearing has not been decided yet, and will be discussed with the family

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/april_jones/2012/10/10/april-jones-latest-mark-bridger-makes-second-court-appearance-91466-32004126/

the nine
10-10-2012, 05:12 PM
I wouldn't leave my 5 year old with a single male, a married male or even a single female or married female alone ....no.
It juts so happens that this bloke was a single male - he could have been married it would have been the same - when people are looking after kids on their own that aren't theirs unless they have been police checked you have to be careful because that is giving them an opportunity.

With a child as young as 5 you can't ask them what happened so its best to wait until they are able to speak so you can tell if a babysitter is to be trusted is what I'm saying.

It's okay to use a babysitter for a small child that hasn't been checked if you know them well as long as you have an older child that can speak up for them and tell you everything was okay.

Look its just common sense parenting.

And it is more common for males to be paedophiles than females so I don't see why you wouldn't be more wary of a man that enjoys spending time with small kids than a woman.

I'm a small woman and I've been jumped on by a would be rapist with a knife and duct tape and if I didn't know self defence I would probably not be here today so I don't think its a joke to imagine that a small person or child cannot defend themselves enough to get away from an adult - it is possible.
Just a kick or punch in the groin gives you those extra few seconds to escape.

I have also had someone try to pull me into a car after asking me for directions ( I ignored him) when I was a child walking home from school and the new bus driver refused to go the last mile to my house. I had no money to phone home. No mobile phones back then. It was raining. If another car hadn't seen and beeped him and stopped to help and he hadn't sped off I may not have been here either - and my parents didn't purposely abandon me so it can happen to anyone.

Has my life experiences altered my perception?
Probably. Is that a bad thing?

I teach my children to treat others as they treat you.
I also teach them about the patterns of behaviour that bad people do so they can recognise it.

The day trip was with parental permission - that was their call. Not one I'd have done.
The joyrides in his car without parental permission was totally unacceptable and alarm bells were ringing in the older kids head.
The 7 year old had obviously been warned appropriately that that sort of behaviour was abnormal for an adult to do.

All I'm trying to do is give advice on how you can teach your kids some modern day safety tips rather than just the old fashioned 'stranger danger' crap.

If its not wanted then I'll gladly shut up.

But speaking as someone who almost got kidnapped by a guy in a car
as a child - I think ignoring strangers in cars talking to you - could have been changed to 'run like f***' .

The internet and foreign cultures has changed our society - you may live in a quiet cul-de-sac but you have no idea where the neighbours go to on their pc at night or who will drive past your house.

Don't scare your kids but make it part of their routine to be alert and then if something bad happens at least you can say that you did your best and you didn't play russian roulette with their safety.

And my kids play outside with their friends all the time - in a childrens park - supervised by adults.
They don't feel restrained they feel safe.
They go on bikes, roller skate - all supervised by parents.
So kids don't get fat just because parents are watching them. That's untrue.
Kids get fat because kids aren't watching them - they leave them go on he internet and they are in far more danger
from pedophiles there than anywhere else.

What about leaving your children with a teacher?

You have had quite alot happen to you, much more than most female children.. Have you thought about therapy?
You sound like you still haven't moved on from those life threatening incidents.


Finally, you say being online, children are more at risk than anywhere else..
I would say they are more at risk in a house with an undiscovered predatory paedofile, such as a husband, brother, father or friends or relatives.
But that is just my humble opinion

illuminotti
10-10-2012, 06:32 PM
Does anyone here find it weird, that one of the villagers searching for April was also in Portugal and searched for Madeleine?

jubbly
10-10-2012, 06:37 PM
Does anyone here find it weird, that one of the villagers searching for April was also in Portugal and searched for Madeleine?

Yes very odd. And he seems so keen to tell people about it.

I think Bridger is essentially Murat, but they couldn't make it stick on Murat.

truthful
10-10-2012, 06:40 PM
Does anyone here find it weird, that one of the villagers searching for April was also in Portugal and searched for Madeleine?

Yes extremely odd. Where did you hear this?

illuminotti
10-10-2012, 06:42 PM
On sky news when they were interviewing helpers! I'm not the only one who heard it, although cannot find any clips.. Too many to go through

milly
10-10-2012, 06:43 PM
The Gorsedd stone circle was created in 1937 for the National Eisteddfod which took place in Machynlleth that year. An Eisteddfod is a celebration of Welsh music and poetry and is held in a different location in Wales every year. Stones are erected to commemorate each festival. Gorsedd is a Welsh name that means 'throne' and is used to describe a coming together of modern-day bards.

It's sad to see that some people like to try and link anything evil to places and events with a Pagan theme and hijack incidents like the tragic disappearance of this poor child for their own agenda. I've noticed several people here doing exactly that.

Actually I wasn't getting at paganism per se, as that could well have been hijacked by whoever really is controlling the show. I am not persuing this under my own agenda, I haven't one, I just want to know what on Earth is going on :S But to throw out a possible esoteric agenda surrounding this case, possibly going to the top just because it doesn't suit your ideal is a bit blind. It has been shown time after time after time that large scale media sensations are completely drenched in quite frankly bizarre and easily referenced occult practices.

You are correct about the stone circle in question being not as old as many but the center standing stone dates back much, much, much further. Additionally to the two here, there is another in the immediate area but I've not found it yet, it is just one of the three. Besides, there is a modern stone circle in London by the Olympic stadium and is definitely aligned with known ley lines in London. The fact that it is modern doesn't really suggest its been dumped there randomly. Modern, shiny football stadiums for example are also placed in these occult configurations.

jubbly
10-10-2012, 06:43 PM
On sky news when they were interviewing helpers! I'm not the only one who heard it, although cannot find any clips.. Too many to go through

I heard it. I saw the guy himself interviewed live on sky news.

illuminotti
10-10-2012, 06:49 PM
It's bugged me since i saw it.. What are the chances of that happening?

jesuitsdidit
10-10-2012, 06:58 PM
cant believe that one poster on here is still peddling the hoary old myths about paedophiles ie they are single males...where on earth have you been over the last decade?... ...

@ ms
i posted beware the trolls t'other day
think its been removed

jubbly
10-10-2012, 07:01 PM
It's bugged me since i saw it.. What are the chances of that happening?

It was a proper WTF moment for me.

It gave me that same feeling that I had on 7/7 when Peter Power appeared on the news.

milly
10-10-2012, 07:01 PM
Does anyone here find it weird, that one of the villagers searching for April was also in Portugal and searched for Madeleine?

I'd love to see the video of that. I mean seriously, WTF :0

dontbelievethegovernment
10-10-2012, 07:12 PM
A caravan has been cordoned off near Bridgers house, what they have only just found it!!

soosan
10-10-2012, 07:12 PM
I think the whole thing STINKS! Something is definitely not right I can feel it in my bones.Maybe Im wrong but I believe/feel that Mr.Bridger is innocent and that he is being put in the frame so that the police can "get the person quickly" The pensioner witness who lived on the estate-who incidently knew April and had watched the children ALL summer cycling by the garages surely would of recognised Mr Bridgers vehicle? He referred to the vehicle seen just before April disappeared as a CAR.There is also the colour descrepancy. If it had of been Mr Bridger why would he of then driven towards the town? He was well known in the area and to be seen with April? No it just doesnt make sense.I believe she was abducted by an outsider and that Mr Bridger is being fitted up for it.I could be wrong.Poor April.

kaibraine
10-10-2012, 07:50 PM
You obviously don't spend Saturday mornings watching Sky Sports - that's WWE Mexican Wrestler Rey Mysterios's trademark mask!

Although never seen him in a polka dot dress.

Yeah I don't watch much tv at all.. and I haven't liked that fake wresting since I was 12 or something.

Thanks for pointing it out though!

soosan
10-10-2012, 08:04 PM
Am I being mad? On the ITV news tonight they said that the court case on Mr.Bridger was being rushed through as quickly as possible because the witnesses were really young.Am I right in thinking that by Law a child under 10?(or 12) is deemed as not responsible for their actions eg stealing etc.If that is the case how can they be held responsible for what they say they saw? Does it mean that if a couple of children of 5 and 7years age say that they saw April get into a blue/light coloured/grey/van/car that was "small at one end and big at the other" be accepted as proof that she got into Mr Bridgers car and be enough to convict him of murder AND without a body then I am worried.VERY VERY WORRIED.

Mr Happy
10-10-2012, 08:09 PM
Am I being mad? On the ITV news tonight they said that the court case on Mr.Bridger was being rushed through as quickly as possible because the witnesses were really young.Am I right in thinking that by Law a child under 10?(or 12) is deemed as not responsible for their actions eg stealing etc.If that is the case how can they be held responsible for what they say they saw? Does it mean that if a couple of children of 5 and 7years age say that they saw April get into a blue/light coloured/grey/van/car that was "small at one end and big at the other" be accepted as proof that she got into Mr Bridgers car and be enough to convict him of murder AND without a body then I am worried.VERY VERY WORRIED.

I'm no expert but without a body and incriminating evidence and/or an admission of guilt I don't see how there could be a murder charge. And rightfully so.

jubbly
10-10-2012, 08:11 PM
Am I being mad? On the ITV news tonight they said that the court case on Mr.Bridger was being rushed through as quickly as possible because the witnesses were really young.Am I right in thinking that by Law a child under 10?(or 12) is deemed as not responsible for their actions eg stealing etc.If that is the case how can they be held responsible for what they say they saw? Does it mean that if a couple of children of 5 and 7years age say that they saw April get into a blue/light coloured/grey/van/car that was "small at one end and big at the other" be accepted as proof that she got into Mr Bridgers car and be enough to convict him of murder AND without a body then I am worried.VERY VERY WORRIED.

Spot on.

The idea is terrifying.

If the evidence against him amounts to 2 children saying she got in the car and him being seen with a bin bag near a river, then I hope the jury has the sense to acquit.

If people can be convicted of murder on that evidence then I will be leaving this country forthwith.

Mind you, nothing surprises me now I have seen a young lad jailed for 3 months for posting a joke on his own facebook page.

truthful
10-10-2012, 08:29 PM
Its sounding more like Stalin's Russia by the minute but then again demockery is an illusion after all.....

kaibraine
10-10-2012, 08:47 PM
NO!

ok, i will make this clear

NO!

WHY?
http://www.psp-themes.net/data/media/4/Rey%20Mysterio.jpg
Rey Mysterio returns 2012 (07/16/12) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rw6-qtrST8)


KIDS like WWE Wrestling, nothing more!

Rey Mysterio is a Hispanic luchador, it is traditional for luchadors to wear masks.

Again, NOTHING more!

What's with all your shouting in size 7 fonts?! :eek:

Perhaps you should read your signature again and calm down? :rolleyes:

jubbly
10-10-2012, 08:57 PM
Its sounding more like Stalin's Russia by the minute but then again demockery is an illusion after all.....

It's Kafkaesque.

the nine
10-10-2012, 09:18 PM
The Gorsedd stone circle was created in 1937 for the National Eisteddfod which took place in Machynlleth that year. An Eisteddfod is a celebration of Welsh music and poetry and is held in a different location in Wales every year. Stones are erected to commemorate each festival. Gorsedd is a Welsh name that means 'throne' and is used to describe a coming together of modern-day bards.

It's sad to see that some people like to try and link anything evil to places and events with a Pagan theme and hijack incidents like the tragic disappearance of this poor child for their own agenda. I've noticed several people here doing exactly that.

the name of the road she was abducted on is quite perturbing when you consider satanism and child sacrificing bohemian grove escapades ..
Bryn-y-Gog = hill of Gog or hill to Gog..:eek:

yaddle
10-10-2012, 10:08 PM
I thought Bryn-y-gog was "the north hill"

bryn = hill
y = the
gog = shortened form of "gogledd" (north)

not an expert though..

the nine
10-10-2012, 10:14 PM
I thought Bryn-y-gog was "the north hill"

bryn = hill
y = the
gog = shortened form of "gogledd" (north)

not an expert though..

I am no expert either..
But Gog I think in the satanic terms is the evil of the north..
Still very fitting when you consider the M.O. of these evil doers

Edit:
Ps
Welcome to the forum

myheadhurts
11-10-2012, 07:36 AM
Hi there, I'm new to the forums.. I stumbled in here a few days ago after researching the similarities between this new case and the ian huntley case. I was overwhelmed and blown away by some of the stuff I read here.. Some of it seems far fetched (chemtrails?) and some of it is to spooky to be true.
Anyway, I've picked up an interest in this April jones case and I've been using this thread to keep up to date. Is it just me or has the media gone quiet on the whole thing? There was a few days of chaos, they showed us some guy, showed us no evidence and apparently that's that? What the fuck is going on here?

brontide
11-10-2012, 07:38 AM
Gog is indeed, so we are told, an 'evil entity' and is referred to in Ezekiel. By evil, that is to say an 'enemy of Israel'...

"The battle of Gog and Magog against Israel will usher in the Second Coming—The Lord will come amid war and pestilence, and all men will shake at his presence."

The battle of Gog (and Magog) is a major event, which plays a prominent role in Islamic, Jewish and Christian eschatology. The outcome of the battle differs according to which stories you read, naturally. Although the scenarios have different results, all three faiths see Gog (and Magog) as a major event....

"In short, the battle Gog and Magog is war in the latter days (Last days) when a confederacy of nations attack Israel, which has been restored in the last days. These nations, which attack Israel in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39, include nations, which are Muslim and have a clear animosity to Israel. Along with these Muslims nations, a northern kingdom, called Gog and Magog, which many identify, as the land Russia, will ally itself with Muslim nations, to oppose Israel in the last days."

Anyway, back to Ezekiel....

"And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited....with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey?"

Israel; Russia; attacks; 'taking spoils'...Spooky.

herbes
11-10-2012, 07:51 AM
Hi there, I'm new to the forums.. I stumbled in here a few days ago after researching the similarities between this new case and the ian huntley case. I was overwhelmed and blown away by some of the stuff I read here.. Some of it seems far fetched (chemtrails?) and some of it is to spooky to be true.
Anyway, I've picked up an interest in this April jones case and I've been using this thread to keep up to date. Is it just me or has the media gone quiet on the whole thing? There was a few days of chaos, they showed us some guy, showed us no evidence and apparently that's that? What the fuck is going on here?

all part of the drama of distraction my friend , now its back to jimmy saville case

the nine
11-10-2012, 12:03 PM
Gog is indeed, so we are told, an 'evil entity' and is referred to in Ezekiel. By evil, that is to say an 'enemy of Israel'...

"The battle of Gog and Magog against Israel will usher in the Second Coming—The Lord will come amid war and pestilence, and all men will shake at his presence."

The battle of Gog (and Magog) is a major event, which plays a prominent role in Islamic, Jewish and Christian eschatology. The outcome of the battle differs according to which stories you read, naturally. Although the scenarios have different results, all three faiths see Gog (and Magog) as a major event....

"In short, the battle Gog and Magog is war in the latter days (Last days) when a confederacy of nations attack Israel, which has been restored in the last days. These nations, which attack Israel in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39, include nations, which are Muslim and have a clear animosity to Israel. Along with these Muslims nations, a northern kingdom, called Gog and Magog, which many identify, as the land Russia, will ally itself with Muslim nations, to oppose Israel in the last days."

Anyway, back to Ezekiel....

"And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited....with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey?"

Israel; Russia; attacks; 'taking spoils'...Spooky.

An interesting alternative view here
http://www.biblebabel.net/who-were-gog-and-magog.php

the nine
11-10-2012, 12:36 PM
We are told the body may never be found..

1 reason is the exceptionally high water table and full rivers would carry the body unsnagged right out into the Irish sea.. According to 'the sun' yesterday

The second reason is the area is surrounded by a labyrinth of interconnected caves and disused mines

But nobody gives another reason as being, they could have the wrong man, she could have been abducted in a van as first reported
Or
She could be captive and sedate in a local house

herbes
11-10-2012, 12:46 PM
We are told the body may never be found..

1 reason is the exceptionally high water table and full rivers would carry the body unsnagged right out into the Irish sea.. According to 'the sun' yesterday

The second reason is the area is surrounded by a labyrinth of interconnected caves and disused mines

But nobody gives another reason as being, they could have the wrong man, she could have been abducted in a van as first reported
Or
She could be captive and sedate in a local house

or just throw this idea in ... it could a elaberate hoax with alot of actors and could be link to this story thats now appeared

http://www.otsnews.co.uk/southport-m...g-of-children/

barajam
11-10-2012, 12:54 PM
I thought Bryn-y-gog was "the north hill"

bryn = hill
y = the
gog = shortened form of "gogledd" (north)

not an expert though..

Y Gôg = The Cuckoo

therealcoltrain
11-10-2012, 01:10 PM
or just throw this idea in ... it could a elaberate hoax with alot of actors and could be link to this story thats now appeared

http://www.otsnews.co.uk/southport-m...g-of-children/

New link as that one is down:

http://www.otsnews.co.uk/southport-mother-julie-seddon-request-for-the-microchipping-of-children/

Mr Happy
11-10-2012, 01:54 PM
or just throw this idea in ... it could a elaberate hoax with alot of actors and could be link to this story thats now appeared

http://www.otsnews.co.uk/southport-m...g-of-children/

Be careful! You can get locked up for saying that kind of thing now, especially if someone print screens what you just said and posts it to the little girls website.

I honestly wouldn't put it past the establishment to create a fictitious child, and then roll out that story as and when needed for various agenda. It's already open ended enough to have milage like the one that rhymes with Paddy McVan.

If you can fake the killing of Bin Laden, which of course they did, you can also fake a child, parents, grandpaprents, friends, witnesses, and a crime.

the nine
11-10-2012, 02:00 PM
or just throw this idea in ... it could a elaberate hoax with alot of actors and could be link to this story thats now appeared

http://www.otsnews.co.uk/southport-m...g-of-children/

I doubt it is a fake story with actors..

This could be the work of Jimmy saviles paymasters/protectors
Snatching a child and pushing the microchipping agenda, with yet another separated loner as a patsy

If they desire a particular child of a specific date of birth, time and blood group/DNA they would only have to look at the records and then use the gps to locate the child..well in advance
Perhaps a few silent attacks on the family to destabilize them, loss of job, financial pressure.. Parent ilness etc
Get the required children into care for the nasty business they have planned!

New link as that one is down:

http://www.otsnews.co.uk/southport-mother-julie-seddon-request-for-the-microchipping-of-children/

thanks for the link

the nine
11-10-2012, 02:04 PM
Y Gôg = The Cuckoo

So it's pretty much ' the cuckoo hill'

Is that hyphen over the o relevant ?

the nine
11-10-2012, 02:09 PM
Be careful! You can get locked up for saying that kind of thing now, especially if someone print screens what you just said and posts it to the little girls website.

I honestly wouldn't put it past the establishment to create a fictitious child, and then roll out that story as and when needed for various agenda. It's already open ended enough to have milage like the one that rhymes with Paddy McVan.

If you can fake the killing of Bin Laden, which of course they did, you can also fake a child, parents, grandpaprents, friends, witnesses, and a crime.

Did you watch the sky interview where she told the search party that they were looking for a dead body now?
Those people looked tired and visibly hurt by the way she broke the news..

We are treading on the elaborate here, for the whole village to be in on it




I noticed you changed your signature mr unhappy..
Has your love for Satan wained?

brontide
11-10-2012, 02:54 PM
I noticed that Mark Bridger was transported using the services of 'Geo Amey'. This is part of the Geo Group which was bought by the Spanish GIANT Ferrovial - has it fingers in all sorts of pies regarding transport and transport logistics (covering road, rail and air), and massive government projects...

Geo Amey's own website boasts its Orwellian credentials...

"The GEO Group is a leading global provider of rehabilitation detention and treatment services as well as secure transportation, with operations in the United Kingdom (UK), America, Australia and South Africa. The GEO Group services include operation of prisons and other custodial facilities; immigration detention and removal centres; secure escorted transportation..."

A handy company to use if someone needs picking and moving, whether it be a victim or a patsy.

Perhaps I'm being just too conspiratorial here, but multi national companies which deal in security, detention and transport, who win billion dollar government contracts across international borders always give me the creeps, for obvious reasons...

Mr Happy
11-10-2012, 03:00 PM
Did you watch the sky interview where she told the search party that they were looking for a dead body now?
Those people looked tired and visibly hurt by the way she broke the news..

We are treading on the elaborate here, for the whole village to be in on it




I noticed you changed your signature mr unhappy..
Has your love for Satan wained?

I am not saying either Avril or Moddy are fictitous. I am just saying such a possibility is a possibility, if not now, perhaps in the future.

In a small town maybe more would need to be in on it. In a large anonymous town very few would be needed to create the illusion.

Only a few at the top of NASA would have needed to know about faking the moon landings. Lots of people could have been watching the screens and data with no idea of the big picture.

I couldn't tell you what some of my neighbours look like. Think about it..

Anyway, off topic...

the nine
11-10-2012, 03:38 PM
I am not saying either Avril or Moddy are fictitous. I am just saying such a possibility is a possibility, if not now, perhaps in the future.

In a small town maybe more would need to be in on it. In a large anonymous town very few would be needed to create the illusion.

Only a few at the top of NASA would have needed to know about faking the moon landings. Lots of people could have been watching the screens and data with no idea of the big picture.

I couldn't tell you what some of my neighbours look like. Think about it..

Anyway, off topic...

The fake bin laden capture was easily done..
"we went in and got him then threw his body in the sea.."

This case, something's are just not right

Considering the window of time mark Bridger had, how far could he have taken her?
The search is into caves and mines..

All to elaborate for it to be a fake story

I think there is more to the pensioner witness than is being let on..

Why would he say he was the last person to see her alive?



I noticed you changed your signature..
Has your love for Satan wained?

brontide
11-10-2012, 04:05 PM
The fake bin laden capture was easily done..
"we went in and got him then threw his body in the sea.."

This case, something's are just not right

Considering the window of time mark Bridger had, how far could he have taken her?
The search is into caves and mines..

All to elaborate for it to be a fake story

I think there is more to the pensioner witness than is being let on..

Why would he say he was the last person to see her alive?



It's strange how the 'pensioner witness' has been hushed up, and how he / she has managed to maintain such a low profile - indeed, has remained anonymous.

All we are given is a series of quotes (all exactly the same) in a number of newspapers from this anonymous key witness, and then utter silence. This is indeed surely a key witness. Given how massive the media presence was, and given how insensitively the case was reported at times, it's very unusual that the media haven't pursued this line and have left the witness well alone.

All we are being told now in relation to witnesses is that the trial will have to rely on child witnesses....this is very strange.

yass
11-10-2012, 04:06 PM
I don't think her mother is necessarily convinced that Mark Bridger is responsible for her daughter's disappearance. I read this sooner but didn't get around to posting it:
In a message posted on Facebook, her mother Coral Jones urged search teams not to lose hope of finding the missing girl.

She said: "April has still not been found, I am not giving up hope that she will come home, so please keep looking for my baby girl April.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2012/10/08/april-jones-latest-mother-coral-jones-makes-new-facebook-appeal-91466-31989941/


None of April’s family, mother Coral Jones, 40, or father Paul, 43, attended the 19 minute hearing, taking place 60 miles from the market town of Machynlleth where April disappeared on Monday last week.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/351326/April-Jones-murder-suspect-has-told-police-his-defence-says-judge


An angry mob
Mr Bridger cried to himself as he confirmed his name, age and address, and that he understood the charges.

There were angry scenes outside the court as the police van Bridger was in was punched and kicked while members of the crowd shouted "Scum" and "F****** kill him".

http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Parents-make-plea-candle-tribute/story-17055164-detail/story.html



This man seems to care what happens and
doesn't say anything that would indicate he
believes Mark Bridger would do a heinous
thing like he's accused of
Dilwyn Jones, who travelled from Machynlleth to be at the hearing but could not enter the court, said: “I have come to see what happens to Mark Bridger.”

Mr Jones said: “I have known Mark Bridger over the years. He’s done quite a bit of welding for me over the years. I went to Mid-Wales Welding (where Bridger once worked) to get jobs done.

“I’ve got children and grandchildren the same age as little April. I am hoping that she is still alive and that he has given her to somebody.”

Matthew Humphreys, of Aberystwyth, and his partner Louise Davies also felt compelled to attend: “We felt we had to come out. You feel useless. We couldn’t do anything else.

“When he arrived people were swearing and shouting at him.”

Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/caernarfon/2012/10/09/murder-accused-mark-bridger-weeps-in-court-as-he-is-charged-with-killing-april-jones-91466-31994579/


I'd read that same time as that about April's mother asking not to give up finding her. Those were dated the 8th October.



For whatever it's worth
April Jones: Police Promise To Keep Up Search

The search for missing April Jones has entered its second week, with police vowing to continue their hunt for as long as it takes.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/april-jones-police-promise-keep-search-112835095.html


Apparently, they're not going to let him make a plea until the January hearing/court date. He's stuck in limbo.

monay
11-10-2012, 04:17 PM
I think that it is fake. They use children for the heartbreaking effect that child abuse has.

the nine
11-10-2012, 04:18 PM
It's strange how the 'pensioner witness' has been hushed up, and how he / she has managed to maintain such a low profile - indeed, has remained anonymous.

All we are given is a series of quotes (all exactly the same) in a number of newspapers from this anonymous key witness, and then utter silence. This is indeed surely a key witness. Given how massive the media presence was, and given how insensitively the case was reported at times, it's very unusual that the media haven't pursued this line and have left the witness well alone.

All we are being told now in relation to witnesses is that the trial will have to rely on child witnesses....this is very strange.

Yes indeed
He clearly stated 'a car' was cruising up and down.. ( not a land rover or 4x4 as most people call them, especially driver)
He said it parked in front of the garages where nobody usually parks..

But a quick google street-view maps search of bryn-y-Gog shows 2 cars parked there on the day of the google cam car visit..
So not that unusual.

We can conclude from this that the pensioner will not be called to testify..
More witness statements struck out to make a jury follow a certain line of enquiry

the nine
11-10-2012, 04:22 PM
I think that it is fake. They use children for the heartbreaking effect that child abuse has.

Maybe after the trial, they can do a ' children say the funniest things' special..
:rolleyes:

silkie
11-10-2012, 05:04 PM
What about leaving your children with a teacher?

You have had quite alot happen to you, much more than most female children.. Have you thought about therapy?
You sound like you still haven't moved on from those life threatening incidents.


Finally, you say being online, children are more at risk than anywhere else..
I would say they are more at risk in a house with an undiscovered predatory paedofile, such as a husband, brother, father or friends or relatives.
But that is just my humble opinion

I have moved on from them thanks.
I only mentioned it now because this story reminds me of it- I had to think back to how I felt as a child. I don't live in fear, I just adapted to the world we live in. Something my parents didn't do in time. That's all.

Yes I am aware that family members can be paedos. There comes a point where you have to trust some people - but as I said knowing what the signs are that something may not be quite right is all you need to do.
As well as not ignoring a situation - putting your kids first.

I just make sure that everyone feels comfortable communicating about anything that is upsetting them in any way.

There's not a lot you can do apart from trust people in this world but there checks and safety measures you can put in place to at least prevent the obvious.

Only today at a local school a child was almost kidnapped into a white van.
I've only heard this story from a work colleague so far but will be looking out on the news for it.

Don't let these people run your life or make you less free. But adapt around their ways.

the nine
11-10-2012, 05:11 PM
I have moved on from them thanks.
I only mentioned it now because this story reminds me of it- I had to think back to how I felt as a child. I don't live in fear, I just adapted to the world we live in. Something my parents didn't do in time. That's all.

Yes I am aware that family members can be paedos. There comes a point where you have to trust some people - but as I said knowing what the signs are that something may not be quite right is all you need to do.
As well as not ignoring a situation - putting your kids first.

I just make sure that everyone feels comfortable communicating about anything that is upsetting them in any way.

There's not a lot you can do apart from trust people in this world but there checks and safety measures you can put in place to at least prevent the obvious.

Only today at a local school a child was almost kidnapped into a white van.
I've only heard this story from a work colleague so far but will be looking out on the news for it.

Don't let these people run your life or make you less free. But adapt around their ways.

What area was this?
Which school?
What time?

This could be the same group who have been trying for weeks now..
Thanks for the heads up

silkie
11-10-2012, 05:28 PM
What area was this?
Which school?
What time?

This could be the same group who have been trying for weeks now..
Thanks for the heads up

Cardiff. I don't know what school the colleague said it was his old school that's all I know.

But usually schools will send a note home warning parents to be vigilant.

At our kids school they won't allow kids out of the school unless an adult comes to get them. I don't think its safe to allow kids to walk home on their own these days. Maybe in a group of Comp kids - but not primary age.

wireintheblood
11-10-2012, 05:38 PM
as I said knowing what the signs are that something may not be quite right is all you need to do.
...

There's not a lot you can do apart from trust people in this world but there checks and safety measures you can put in place to at least prevent the obvious.

Could you give details or link to examples of "signs" and "safety measures" please?

the nine
11-10-2012, 05:50 PM
Cardiff. I don't know what school the colleague said it was his old school that's all I know.

But usually schools will send a note home warning parents to be vigilant.

At our kids school they won't allow kids out of the school unless an adult comes to get them. I don't think its safe to allow kids to walk home on their own these days. Maybe in a group of Comp kids - but not primary age.

Can you not find out the name of the school?

This is massive news

Perhaps poor April is now dead and her body will be discovered soon.. If this white van Gang are after snatching another child..

Someone said earlier in the thread that oct 12 was very significant

This happened today yes?

brontide
11-10-2012, 05:53 PM
Cardiff. I don't know what school the colleague said it was his old school that's all I know.

But usually schools will send a note home warning parents to be vigilant.

At our kids school they won't allow kids out of the school unless an adult comes to get them. I don't think its safe to allow kids to walk home on their own these days. Maybe in a group of Comp kids - but not primary age.

I think it's crucially important to bear in mind that most of the child abuse scandals we have learnt about involve 'institutions' rather than lone individuals. The church, education, elite groups; now even the BBC and 'light entertainment' is at the centre of it all...when you read into it, it potentially goes much higher up the ladder....the streets seem to be quite safe places in comparison to these 'groups' which still seem to be trusted / tolerated by the masses whilst their fear in their neighbours grows. This isn't good at all.

It's important not to lose a sense of unity and trust in each other. An erosion of that mutual trust is after part of 'their' goal. The April Jones case is the latest which has been sold to us as a 'lone predator' case but it is one of a series of such cases which has question marks and doubts all the way through it. From the very start of her abduction there have been doubts. I get a very strong sense from speaking to people that more and more people are starting to see this, and not simply believe the media that a lone predator was the culprit. When you start to consider that carefully, it makes you less anxious about those who live amongst us.

the nine
11-10-2012, 06:06 PM
Cardiff. I don't know what school the colleague said it was his old school that's all I know.

But usually schools will send a note home warning parents to be vigilant.

At our kids school they won't allow kids out of the school unless an adult comes to get them. I don't think its safe to allow kids to walk home on their own these days. Maybe in a group of Comp kids - but not primary age.

Can you not find out the name of the school?

This is massive news

Perhaps poor April is now dead and her body will be discovered soon.. If this white van Gang are after snatching another child..

Someone said earlier in the thread that oct 12 was very significant

This happened today yes?

I have just been searching online and can't find anything out about it..
Can you call or text your colleague for some more information?

Someone should notify the news channels

Please post back quickly

silkie
11-10-2012, 06:21 PM
I have just been searching online and can't find anything out about it..
Can you call or text your colleague for some more information?

Someone should notify the news channels

Please post back quickly

I called the bloke and he doesn't know much. He's heard others locally talking about it. He doesn't have kids. He just said it was a white van.

You'd think it would be in the news.
There was something similar reported in the news in May.....

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/cardiffonline/cardiff-news/2011/05/19/parents-warned-after-suspected-abduction-attempt-near-school-91466-28721663/

....and a few months ago our own school gave us a note home from the police that a child had almost been abducted in our area so be vigilant. No details could be found for that either.

But still people on here tell me I'm wrong to fear.....:rolleyes:

silkie
11-10-2012, 06:37 PM
When I look on the news it seems that the police are often reassuring people that rumours of attempted child abductions are spread via Facebook.

So what are we supposed to think?
The schools and local police always take it seriously yet if they don't get any more reports they quash it as a rumour.

It doesn't harm to be vigilant just in case I suppose.

So far we should be aware of black 4x4's, a silver car and a bloke on a pushbike.

Now add a white van to the list......just pick your kids up from school and warn them is all you can do.

the nine
11-10-2012, 07:20 PM
I called the bloke and he doesn't know much. He's heard others locally talking about it. He doesn't have kids. He just said it was a white van.

You'd think it would be in the news.
There was something similar reported in the news in May.....

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/cardiffonline/cardiff-news/2011/05/19/parents-warned-after-suspected-abduction-attempt-near-school-91466-28721663/

....and a few months ago our own school gave us a note home from the police that a child had almost been abducted in our area so be vigilant. No details could be found for that either.

But still people on here tell me I'm wrong to fear.....:rolleyes:

If you can ask your colleague for the name of the school and the area, I will call them tomorrow and try and find out if it is true
It is a very sensitive issue, especially in wales with the poor girl still missing.

If someone is starting rumours about things like this, they are very ill individuals who need serious psychotherapy