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tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 07:42 PM
That very first inscription says it all. We are over-populated, so let's kill and get rid.

They're not making a heck of a lot of progress on that front. Since the time of construction of the guidestones, the earth's human population has increased by 50%.

http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/World-Population-1800-2100.svg/587px-World-Population-1800-2100.svg.png

mondo23
24-11-2012, 07:43 PM
Where are you getting this information? According to the OTO website, their UK address is in WC1N 3XX whereas that of the British Museum is in WC1B 3DG.

http://www.oto-uk.org/contact

http://www.britishmuseum.org/visiting.aspx?ref=header

I would like to see evidence of this to.
Ive had some affiliation with the OTO in the past and know a few members. The OTO is far more boring than most people want to think it is. There only about 250 members in the uk and most of them are just old goths or steam punks, into dungeons and dragons type stuff, low level musicians or artists or writers with the odd middle aged witch who became disillusioned with wicca.
The OTO really is not all that exciting.

o_rourke
24-11-2012, 07:43 PM
I would say a must read, I haven't got to the end yet but this guy has done so much research, loads of photos and loads of links. A good link to this site. It makes for shocking reading though.

http://www.ccs-rochford.co.uk/spivey/?p=6757

Yes very disturbing pics. But definitely an eyeopener.

suthainn
24-11-2012, 07:45 PM
Fact is, there are whole MOUNTAIN RANGES of evidence.

Those at the top are quite happy to kill us off if we are not viable money making units for them.

All the evidence shows that they are increasing their culling measures in a logarithmic progression. Read the Georgia Guidestones.

The satanism, sacrificial murders, snuff movies, institutional worldwide paedophillia and child trafficking - these are the norms for the elite parasite psychopathic class.

Notice that if you are not a money grubbing funny handshake psychopath, their intention is to kill YOU

AND YOUR LOVED ONES



A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.


Reminds me of a Tom Clancy novel...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Six_(novel)

angelthecat
24-11-2012, 07:52 PM
Well it's not for the want of trying is it? Illegal wars galore. ;)

Why can't the warmongering bastards fuck off and leave us in peace? That's our natural stance, not the brainwashing fucked up mind control that we listen to on a daily basis through MSM and the British Brainwashing Corporation.

poisoned food and pharmaceuticals are their main weapon against the humans
NSSM200 (http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=90207)

Good old Henry [nazi]
and the number of conflicts since List of wars 1945–1989 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - the creation of the united nations was to put an end to conflict [what a fucking failure]

but that is what you get when you rely on someone else

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 07:52 PM
Agree. I've searched using different search engines and.....zilch. I can only find the trailer.

I should imagine that Allen has been made an offer he can't refuse should it ever find its way out there in the public domain.

You'd have thought someone might have recorded a cam version during one of its screenings. But if they did, they haven't released it (to my knowledge). I don't know why KA bothered making this film if he wasn't going to release it (even if only for download online). He must have known there would be a hue and cry.

o_rourke
24-11-2012, 07:57 PM
poisoned food and pharmaceuticals are their main weapon against the humans
NSSM200 (http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=90207)

Good old Henry [nazi]

Yes, good old Henry indeed. The very one who programmed Brice Taylor. All the dots connect. ;)

You'd have thought someone might have recorded a cam version during one of its screenings. But if they did, they haven't released it (to my knowledge). I don't know why KA bothered making this film if he wasn't going to release it (even if only for download online). He must have known there would be a hue and cry.

I can only imagine that he's been threatened once the establishment got wind of the full extent of it. I can't imagine that he would go to the trouble to film a documentary and then not want to release it for any other reason than him perhaps being scared for his life. :confused:

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 07:58 PM
I read your posts yesterday which mentioned Ordo Templi Orientis. I'd never heard of them and as I'm no theorist or have any knowledge about the occult,I thought I'd do some digging.
It turns out their fucking HQ is The British Museum. What the FUCK is really going on.The names I seen linked to them were John Hamill, Simon Kane, Derry Mainwaring Knight,Willie Whitelaw and yes........,you've guessed it Alistair McAlpine. Was Savile possibly a part of this ?

Yes! Savile linked with The Krays, Boothby > The Krays associates of Tom Driberg > Tom Driberg friend of Aleister Crowley.

Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East) is an international fraternal and religious organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. English author and occultist Aleister Crowley has become the best-known member of the order.
Originally it was intended to be modelled after and associated with Freemasonry,[1] but under the leadership of Aleister Crowley, O.T.O. was reorganized around the Law of Thelema as its central religious principle. This Law—expressed as “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"[2] and "Love is the law, love under will”[3]—was promulgated in 1904 with the writing of The Book of the Law.
Similar to many secret societies, O.T.O. membership is based on an initiatory system with a series of degree ceremonies that use ritual drama to establish fraternal bonds and impart spiritual and philosophical teachings.
O.T.O. also includes the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica (EGC) or Gnostic Catholic Church, which is the ecclesiastical arm of the Order. Its central rite, which is public, is called Liber XV, or the Gnostic Mass.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 07:58 PM
I read your posts yesterday which mentioned Ordo Templi Orientis. I'd never heard of them and as I'm no theorist or have any knowledge about the occult,I thought I'd do some digging.
It turns out their fucking HQ is The British Museum. What the FUCK is really going on.The names I seen linked to them were John Hamill, Simon Kane, Derry Mainwaring Knight,Willie Whitelaw and yes........,you've guessed it Alistair McAlpine. Was Savile possibly a part of this ?


Of course he was!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BJCD7zQ6BzI/UG3R5ZLtMMI/AAAAAAAAhNU/oL5hiLY9dEw/s320/JIMMY+SAVILE.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November2012/savile-heath-500x333.jpg

http://www.channel4.com/media/c4-news/images/29_savile_gallery_620.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HruDnuYP2UY/UG5n0bPnOvI/AAAAAAAAHZ4/aNF2d2sbKnU/s1600/savile.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OWD2FqCyoUs/UH5uGAE0-QI/AAAAAAAABtE/gJNc4PIfESY/s1600/saville+blair.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November20128/277109_1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TQ-NOwnaXiQ/UGlRK0W5rdI/AAAAAAAAgg8/rP1jqN_qiWU/s1600/Rantzen+and+Savile.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9dfNNYEIIxY/UHFyhgANGEI/AAAAAAAAhlM/QRTtuge-qxs/s1600/jagger+2.jpg

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Yes, good old Henry indeed. The very one who programmed Brice Taylor. All the dots connect. ;)



I can only imagine that he's been threatened once the establishment got wind of the full extent of it. I can't imagine that he would go to the trouble to film a documentary and then not want to release it for any other reason than him perhaps being scared for his life. :confused:

He's a mate of al Fayed, so he should be aware of the kind of things the establishment will do to protect itself. People normally manage to get their hands on pretty much anything of this kind, especially if it's been publicly aired, which his movie has been. Very odd.

white horse
24-11-2012, 08:04 PM
THEATRE bosses have fixed it for Sir Jimmy Savile to be remembered in a musical.

The TV star’s life is being turned into a stage production called How’s About That Then? The Jimmy Savile Story.

And it will feature all of Sir Jimmy’s famous bling, catchphrases and his trademark cigar.

Show bosses are keen to remember the rags-to-riches entertainer who died last October, aged 84, from pneumonia.

Producer Denise Silvey said: “It is a homage to Jimmy Savile.

“It starts with him coming down from Heaven to say: ‘You want to know the story?’

“I think it is fun because he’s quite an unusual sort of character.

“We have got the cigar, we have got the bling, we’ve got the tracksuits and we have got a Jim’ll Fix It chair that we have had made.”

The production, starring Garry Roost as Sir Jimmy, was unveiled to a private audience in London last night.

It will open at The Edinburgh Festival Fringe next month.



The play will feature sequences of children reading letters to Sir Jimmy. It will not refer, however, to the current DNA row over disputed claims he had a love child.

Denise added: “I think he is loved but there is also mystery around him.

“He has always been part of all of our lives for so long.”

pneumonia.....can you just die suddenly for this, I know when my dad died from pneumonia, it tooks days if not weeks for him to die.


21st July 2012
By Katie Begley
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/263219

o_rourke
24-11-2012, 08:04 PM
And eugenics and systemic environmental abuse, they wont tell us the truth about deliberately unharmonizing us, this is how cancer can easily manifest and AIDS is just a medical profession lie to convince you the doctor has just given you a death sentence, who has ever questioned the actual medical profession that is owned by the same small group of "elite "families, decent doctors speak out they get fucked.

War creates global PTSD it's how the human brain operates we resonate in energy we are all connected. Poverty, recession "Austerity" all monarch mind programming of a mind control matrix..

Then they send out Jackals like Bill Clinton and Gates to poison Africans with vaccines and pills to help with the illness they fucking manufactured in the first place, AIDS is NOT killing Africans, it's deliberate poverty and drugs they are being force fed.

Autism went through the roof the same time enforced vaccination and also dementia in the old coincides with flu vaccinations. etc etc etc They are fucking insane monsters who live to control. And people are still asking for "evidence"

Th only evidence you tell me when you ask for this is the fact your still fucking asleep..

Totally agree. We haven't even touched on this here, but it's necessary if people are to try and grasp the extent to where this goes. Evil isn't a big enough word to cover it, so I'll go with your description of absolute psychopathic monsters. People really need to wake up to this and see how deep it goes.

harrypalmer
24-11-2012, 08:08 PM
British tabloid newspaper the Sunday Mirror has launched a campaign to “clean up” micro blogging social network Twitter.

Following an investigation by the newspaper last month, two people were arrested on suspicion of being active paedophiles using the site to swap images. Since the story, in which they called the site a “paedophiles’ playground”, the paper has now called on the public to sign their petition for Twitter to use their five point plan.

“1. Change policy: Currently Twitter DOES NOT automatically remove obscene images and does not block links to external sites without notice – including child abuse images.

“2. Use Photo DNA to identify images: This is used by other social networking sites.

“3. Use keyword search software. This identifies and stops keyword searches which paedophiles use to find each other online.

“4. Mediate content. Whether images or text, manually by using the software technology available.

“5. Work with police. It is currently a very lengthy process for law enforcement to get information from Twitter.”

Sunday Mirror

Back in June, Krank.ie reported how members of the online group called Anonymous had been hunting down, collecting and reporting profiles suspected of being paedophiles on Twitter. The action came following a call to arms from an American Senator and Representative.

so thats what Anony-mous is been doing,,,,,,wheres the research anonymous?

I've gotta say, having read about paedophiles using twitter, I did a very small, basic search, and I'm disturbed by what I found. I don't know if these people are using these accounts as some sort of joke, but it needs to be stopped, it's obscene. Spent about 5 mins looking, and won't be looking again. Blood boiling much? :mad:

Do you lot think there's anything in the anecdotal evidence I mentioned a while back of dummy accounts posting this type of material on social media?

o_rourke
24-11-2012, 08:10 PM
He's a mate of al Fayed, so he should be aware of the kind of things the establishment will do to protect itself. People normally manage to get their hands on pretty much anything of this kind, especially if it's been publicly aired, which his movie has been. Very odd.

Yes I agree with you that it is odd when you get down to it. You would think that at least one copy would have circulated somewhere on the net. I.e. someone in the cast, production crew etc having a copy.

I just wish he had the balls to release it and tell us all that he's scared for his life and needs protection (if that is why he's not releasing it), but then again it's easy for me to say that as I'm not in his shoes having to make that decision.

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 08:15 PM
[/B]This one?

CARE HOME ABUSE VICTIM -Tells of Sex Parties "Exclusive Personal Interview" DOCUMENTARY - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46tbRUtBT0g)

Yes thank you. I don't know who he is, or what has happened to him since. I worry for him actually - it's a big thing to say what he said on TV - I hope he's got lots of supportive people around him.

I'd like to see the unedited interview - they cut after he says the men were posh - perhaps he said something else which would make them easier to identify?

o_rourke
24-11-2012, 08:15 PM
Do you lot think there's anything in the anecdotal evidence I mentioned a while back of dummy accounts posting this type of material on social media?

Yes.......definitely. Remember how they operate:

PROBLEM
REACTION
SOLUTION

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 08:16 PM
I was told that McCartney's name was on 'the list' from 2003. I was also told that's why peg-leg got such a huge divorce settlement. Of course, in case fatcunt reid is watching, I am not saying this is true.

I heard on another forum that the Ore list was close to being released by Wikileaks some time shortly before Assange was...erm...inconvenienced.

claydog
24-11-2012, 08:16 PM
phew! thanks for clearing that up :)

I never got a bad vibe either.

People with any connection to the royals/establishment and children at the same time bothers me.

I think there is a difference between being a total wrongun and knowing but not telling due to career, position title etc. But I would say that most are fully aware of how the magick circle works.

The cult of celebrity is part of true occultism but most are not all allowed to piss from the tent outwards lots want in but they piss outside the tent. same with politics, military industrial complex and police and media. The majority of old bill don't know what the Freemasons really get up to just like the majority of Freemasons don't know, but when you get to the inner sanctum its nothing like the public persona of silly twats with handshakes and a bit of cronyism. the dark heart is very dark indeed and it leads to Vatican city.


Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are top Ordo Templi orientis and the whole "troubles" thing in the 70's 80's and 90's was deliberate and SAS were real IRA and they fitted up men in the area and the prisons are full of wrongly convicted men for terrorism when it's our own dark arts of MI5 MI5 at work,

lots of examples across the globe Sth American countries literally not allowed to thrive due to Vatican appointed despots like Pinochet, Noriega, these are not random events they are all occultism. Gaddafi and Saddam were just caretakers for NWO. Same small group of families all protecting the bloodline

Social instability, enforced poverty, church interference with families, the Irish story is one of true horror and when it breaks it's going to shock the globe.

They run everything that's how control freaks work, they don't leave any angle not infected with their dominance.

o_rourke
24-11-2012, 08:19 PM
Yes thank you. I don't know who he is, or what has happened to him since. I worry for him actually - it's a big thing to say what he said on TV - I hope he's got lots of supportive people around him.

I'd like to see the unedited interview - they cut after he says the men were posh - perhaps he said something else which would make them easier to identify?

Yes I hope so too. We forget that all of these children in care are already starved of normal affection from parents and will grab any comforts that they can. It doesn't surprise me in the least that some of them would see the abuse as a ritual to get over with so that they can enjoy the materialistics that we take for granted.

We can only hope that by not naming names in the video is a level of protection for him.

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 08:20 PM
Yes I agree with you that it is odd when you get down to it. You would think that at least one copy would have circulated somewhere on the net. I.e. someone in the cast, production crew etc having a copy.

I just wish he had the balls to release it and tell us all that he's scared for his life and needs protection (if that is why he's not releasing it), but then again it's easy for me to say that as I'm not in his shoes having to make that decision.

The problem with the fuckers we're up against is that they often don't threaten the person themselves but their family. The vast majority of people wouldn't take the risk of one of their kids turning up dead somewhere. They killed Di even after she pretty much gave everyone the heads up that something might happen to her. They're brazen. But not without their weak points.

zuckuss
24-11-2012, 08:20 PM
This thread is going off topic!!

beldazar
24-11-2012, 08:23 PM
I've been reading the thread from the start and it seems Jimmyjones has singlehandedly cleared Derek Laud & McAlpine of all charges related to scallywag, i must admit i'm starting to get a little skeptical as you also seem to be steering this thread in any direction you please, often far from McAlpine................of course i could be well wide of the mark.

They didn't get where they are today without deraling, imprisoning or eliminating people who trusted someone they shouldn't have. One of the best bits of advice the X-Files ever gave out was 'Trust no one'. ;)





I tend to agree with you.







I agree. If Jimmy is genuine he should know that there will never be a fair trial or inquiry. The notion of the system destroying itself is utterly and completely preposterous. It you are real Jimmy, then get it all out there today. Like now. :rolleyes: I won't lie and admit that I am very much unsure about you.





It ends very soon I hope. :)

This whole stinking mess has a trail that leads to Windsor Castle and Vatican city and then some. Arguing over some old Queens treasurer whether he is a nonce when they are all blackmailed with pedophilia which makes them all 100% complicit and guilty of crimes against humanity and nature. They will use their toys in the media for as long as they still control the vile fucking entity.

If we got the lords and new years honors list and started questioning every one on there we would be heading in the right direction, and grace and favor means far more than a poxy title and free house. Royal Berkshire is the home of the monster mansions, and when this shit filter they deliberately clog up with the media unblocks there will be quite a few vacant homes and land as the crown actually owns most of it still and it gets loaned out to their Favorite jackals

That royal marionette, Cameron pretty much summed it up in front of that coke snorting stooge, Schofield. "We don't want a Witch hunt" But we do, and this time it wont be innocent women being fucking burned this time its the true monsters inc that all hide behind title and charity and enforced public favor.

Schofield would have been prompted to push Cameron that note, the normal state of play is the PM know's every move a TV puppet is about to pull until he is clearly being used or intended as being on the royal scapegoat buffet.

I live a few miles from the likes of Schofield in the Thames valley and there are a lot of "celebrity's" around here that have an insatiable craving for the marching powder and I happen to know somebody that has been helping them with this. And it's not the drugs I have issue with as far as I am concerned you can snort what you like but it's the parties that go on. This is where Ordo Templi Orientis hold huge occult parties.


Kubricks eyes wide shut was just an entree as to what really goes on at these places but people who are on the menu end up not seeing the next sunrise. Kubrick had to wait until he was dead for that expose to get out. He was a nonce who made a death bed confession. Best friends with Pete Sellers and Sellers had a conscience, that don't get you anywhere with true psychopaths.

The amount of exposures that will begin to flood about the cult of celebrity will shock to the core and some of the biggest names held up to adore by the TV and media will turn out to be some of the biggest monsters walking around still. It's not just parliament it's the entire establishment and blackmail binds them all.


When a certain squeaky clean singer now in his lat 60's and a sir who is famous for summer holidays and the darling of Vatican city and the queen mum always made sure he had a Christmas number one every year, the likes of names like that.. That's when we are getting to the real meat on the bone.

I don't, i told you i'm a born skeptic. Which is why i started to question your version of events. According to you two boys who didn't know Laud or McAlpine from Adam ended up at scallywag with a horrific story involving two people they had never previously heard of. Why ?? How ??

See i was just watchingthe thread and it just seemed like you appeared on the scene and steered the thread in exactly the way you wanted, then discredited quite a few witnesses, then exonerated Laud and McAlpine..........cant you see why it look suspicious ?

Surely you cant expect to come one here and post such important information without it being questioned ?

it irks me when idiots speak about "evidence" we are all evidence and life is this way currently due to nasty fuckers who think they can carry on controlling us, that's all the evidence we need to put an end to mental and spiritual slavery, we are all waking up but at different stages of awareness. but I am way past the stage of needed to be shown fucking evidence.. ignorance likes to ridicule but its the last stand of ignorance and we have been deliberately kept ignorant as we are far easier to manipulate, then the mas awakening begins to manifest. That time in evolution is right now.. Waiting around for evidence is pointless..

All good posts.

jewellerymaker
24-11-2012, 08:29 PM
Do you lot think there's anything in the anecdotal evidence I mentioned a while back of dummy accounts posting this type of material on social media?

Hmmm, so you're saying these bastards that be (TPTB), are putting this stuff on there to bring in tighter restrictions? Mmm, perhaps you're right. But I'm sure there's also 'normal' paedos in there too.

Whatever - it all fucking stinks and I'm getting lost in the mire. :(
xxx

presidentgas
24-11-2012, 08:31 PM
Hi everyone.
My tuppence worth:

Given both Hall and Cameron are CP graduates, I'd say that CP management are this weekend having a celebratory dinner:

Their 'grooming' of a whole political / administrative class over the last ten - fifteen years, their involvement in setting up the Media Standards Trust (when there was already a body regulating the media...modus operandi of CP...and Hitler ~ get two people to do the same job, sit back and watch the fireworks...but the job gets done)...involvement in the BiJ...and now, now they have what they really want: One of their members at the head of one of if not the media organisations in the country....an organisation that's 'slightly damaged' but with still plenty of miles on the clock.


Got that everyone?
Common Purpose have their man at the head of the most influential media organisation in the country.

tian an.

The other day, a police chief (Avon and Somerset, I think) was disposed of in some underhand way, now this. Is there some kind of battle going on between CP and the Masons? CP have already infiltrated the lower ranks of civil service, social services,education, media, etc, are they now powerful enough to dispose of the Masons at the tops of these organisations, and replace them with their own people, so they can implement their own agenda? How many other organisations have had their top people replaced recently? I expect a bit of digging will find out that quite a number of highly influential, but little known organisations have had this happen to them. Maybe the McA and JS stuff is just a distraction from THAT, or they are using it to their advantage while people are looking the other way? You could go stark staring mad following all the twists and turns in these recent events.

I think that the Savile/Mc cases are going to cause a lot of funny handshake people to start resigning and being sacked, and there will be a convenient CP "graduate" ready to take their place.

Or am I starting to sound like a mad conspiracy theorist? :confused: Fuck knows, a man could go crazy thinking of all the implications.

o_rourke
24-11-2012, 08:33 PM
The other day, a police chief (Avon and Somerset, I think) was disposed of in some underhand way, now this. Is there some kind of battle going on between CP and the Masons? CP have already infiltrated the lower ranks of civil service, social services,education, media, etc, are they now powerful enough to dispose of the Masons at the tops of these organisations, and replace them with their own people, so they can implement their own agenda? How many other organisations have had their top people replaced recently? I expect a bit of digging will find out that quite a number of highly influential, but little known organisations have had this happen to them. Maybe the McA and JS stuff is just a distraction from THAT, or they are using it to their advantage while people are looking the other way? You could go stark staring mad following all the twists and turns in these recent events.

I think that the Savile/Mc cases are going to cause a lot of funny handshake people to start resigning and being sacked, and there will be a convenient CP "graduate" ready to take their place.

Or am I starting to sound like a mad conspiracy theorist? :confused: Fuck knows, a man could go crazy thinking of all the implications.

I find it helps to think of the worst scenarios possible and work my way through it from there. :)

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 08:35 PM
This thread is going off topic!!

Yep.

Savile is important - not because of the BBC, but because he was bessy mates with Prince Charles, so we must keep plugging away at it!

I know this is bad research on my part, but I found this comment on a page on the UK Column website - can't remember which one - it's probably plagiarised from a blog. Anyway, I've highlighted the Savile bit - has anyone followed up on his connections with Lord Levy, Silverman or Beerling?

by cigpapers | November 17, 2012 - 3:29pm
Tony Blairs’ Islington People:
Tony Blair War criminal , bisexual , torturer, liar , psychopath , multiculturalist , control freak, Bilderberg Group member. Believed to have amassed a fortune of between £50million and £250 million since leaving Office. Two convictions for cottaging (1974 &1983) subject to D-Notices. He first came to the attention of MI5 as a potential future Prime Minister after repeatedly being caught importuning young boys in Public toilets around London in the 1970s. A notorious cross dresser, his nickname when he was a lawyer was Miranda. Allegedly some of those caught up in the FBI Operation Avalanche/Ore Child porn investigation in 1999/2003 were : Sir Gerald Kaufman, Gordon Brown, Alan Milburn, John Prescott, and Peter Mandelson. Blair stopped any Police investigations by claiming a threat to National Security and put a D-Notice on the press to stop any reporting on it. It is believed the CIA/FBI used Operation Ore and Jersey/Islington information to blackmail the Labour Party and the BBC in to supporting the Iraq War.

Lord Levy a multi millionaire Bilderberger bisexual multiculturalist Jew raised to the Peerage by Blair in 1997. Levy started as a music industry accountant then founded Magnet Records in 1973. Famous for his “Showbiz Parties” in the 70s/80s. Due to his close friendship with John Beerling of the BBC (who selected Radio One DJ s between 1967 and 1993 and hired Jimmy Savile in 1969) Magnet Artists received massive airplay and he eventually sold Magnet for £10million to Warner Bros. in 1988.It is believed he used this £10million to fund the hijacking of the Labour Party by Blair’s Islington People. Levy is President of Jewish Care, Jewish Free Schools and Jewish Lads' and Girls' Brigade. Levy was arrested in connection with the “Cash for Honours” inquiry in 2006. In July 2007 the CPS dropped all charges against him. He has been described by The Jerusalem Post as “undoubtedly the notional leader of British Jewry”.Strong link to Jimmy Savile through Howard Silverman and John Beerling.

Baron Peter Mandelson a Bilderberger homosexual multiculturalist Jew raised to the peerage by Tony Blair in 2008. Claims to be the brains behind New Labour he has amassed a fortune estimated at over £20 million from his time in Government. Denounced by Tam Dalyell MP as being part of Blair’s “Jewish Cabal”. Mandelson was a strong supporter of lowering the age of consent. His private life is subject to several D-Notices. Incredibly Mandelson is Chief Trustee of the NSPCC and has put his “people” in key positions there including Peter Watt at the NSPCC and Justin Forsyth at Save the Children.
Jack Straw MP an East European multi millionaire multiculturalist Jew he was behind the cover up of the Dunblane Massacre , Hillsborough disaster and the BBC/Jersey/Islington satanic child sex abuse and murder scandal. Straw was Deputy to Hodge at Islington Council. A major driving force behind Child brides in the UK. Straw is the Politician behind the phrase “cultural sexual diversity”. In 2009 Straw made it illegal for any Child to complain about abuse while in the care system ( The Times and Independent Feb.15th 2009 ). Placed all the Thomas Hamilton ( Dunblane massacre ) papers under a 100 year secrecy law by claiming it was to protect the families‘ feelings. Jack Straw’s brother William has a conviction for a sex attack on a schoolgirl. Straw’s adult son has been arrested for drug dealing. Jack Straw is currently being sued by muslim victims of extraordinary renditions and torture.

David Miliband MP A multi millionaire Bilderberger bisexual multiculturalist Marxist Jew brought in to the Labour Party by Blair. Described in Labour circles as “Blair’s Boy” he is believed to have been the submissive partner in homosexual relationships with both Blair and Mandelson. David Miliband is said to be leader of the “Primrose Hill Gang”, a secret network of Labour politicians that include Ed Miliband, Douglas Alexander, Pat McFadden, James Purnell, Jim Murphy, Andy Burnham, Matthew Taylor, Geoff Mulgan and Patrick Diamond. The Primrose Hill Gang has been linked to the Rochdale Care Home Child sex abuse scandal through Jack Straw and Labour Councillor/Freemason/School Governor Darren Pedley.

Ed Miliband MP Multi millionaire Bilderberger multiculturalist Marxist Jew he has been Leader of the Labour Party since 25 Sept 2010. He worked on the Chanel 4 show A Week in Politics from 1992 until he left in 1993 to work for Harriet Harman. In 1994 he started working for Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown is considered a “father figure” to Ed Miliband.

Phillip Lyon A multi millionaire multiculturalist convicted paedophile Jew. Blair’s closest political confidante and neighbour in Islington he was jailed for a year in 2003 for child pornography found on his PC by a Civil Servant at work. The Police were stopped from searching Lyon’s home after Blair claimed a threat to National Security. Interestingly Lyon had started his career at Islington Council.

Margaret Hodge MP nee Oppenheimer. A multi millionaire multiculturalist German Jew. Hodge’s family made an estimated £300 million during WW2 collaborating with the Nazis. She has constantly been linked to Care Home satanic Child sex abuse and murder rings of British Children in the BBC/Islington/Jersey when she was Head of Islington Council and their subsequent cover up. Hodge described reporters who broke the Islington Child sex abuse story as “the gutter press” and the victims as “mentally unstable and extremely disturbed”. To widespread horror Tony Blair made Hodge his Minister for Children in 2003. Chillingly Hodge went on TV in 2003 and invited any Children in Care with complaints to write to her directly. Very close to Straw and Harriet Harman.

Cherie Booth QC wife of Tony Blair since 1980.Multi millionaire multiculturalist and Satanist she has been dubbed “The Wicked Witch” by the press. Cherie Booth was the founder of Matrix Barristers Chambers in 2000 - not too clear where the financing came from, possibly Lord Levy. The name Matrix came from a film about mass deception, mind control and human enslavement. Matrix Chambers have been involved in numerous cases against British People resisting multicultural genocide , one example being when they sent a QC to obtain a lifetime ASBO against battling British Pensioner Margaret Walker for daring to write to Politicians complaining about muslim paedophile gangs raping and murdering British Children. Matrix Chambers are also believed to have given the legal go ahead to take Children of Nationalists in to State Care, one example being Toni McLeod and her serving Soldier boyfriend who have been told their child will be taken at Birth due to Toni’s previous membership of the EDL. Laughably Matrix are Human Rights Lawyers. Cherie Booth’s fourth child Leo born in 2000 is believed to not be Tony Blair’s , photos of the Blair Family would seem to support this. Strangely both Blairs have given rather graphic accounts of the conception of Leo to the mass media, but not of their other Children.

Stephen Twigg MP Multi millionaire he was Deputy Leader of Islington Council in the 1990s. Twigg is an openly gay multiculturalist. Twigg was attacked by an Islington Child sex abuse survivor in a gay nightclub in London in 2005 who accused him of being involved in the BBC/Islington/Jersey Child sex abuse, pornography and murder ring. Currently Shadow Secretary of State for Education. Very close to Hodge.

Harriet Harman QC MP. Multi millionaire multiculturalist Labour Party Deputy Leader. When Legal Officer at the National Council for Civil Liberties ( later Liberty) 1978 to 1982 she constantly lobbied the Government to legalise Child pornography , paedophilia and incest , she has repeatedly denied this but recently released Government documents have her signature on them. A niece of Lord Longford she is very close to Hodge and Hewitt. Married to Jack Dromey MP.

Lord George Robertson Multi millionaire multiculturalist raised to the peerage by Blair in 1999 has been accused in the Scottish Press of using his Masonic influence to get Thomas Hamilton a gun license despite repeated Police objections ( Dunblane massacre ) and of running a Masonic paedophile network involving Hamilton for the BBC based in Scotland , Islington and Jersey. A D-Notice has been put on the press and Lord Robertson is threatening to sue, although so far he hasn‘t.

Patricia Hewitt ex MP . Multi millionaire multiculturalist .From 1974 to 1983 she was General Secretary of the National Council for Civil Liberties (later Liberty) when it lobbied the Government to legalise child pornography, incest and paedophilia on behalf of the Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile Action for Liberation. Harriet Harman signed all the documents and Hewitt has always denied any knowledge of this. Major driving force behind the sex education of very young Children, she has argued that fathers are not a good influence on Children. Member of the Gay Liberation Front in the 70s when it was affiliated to P.I.E. and P.A.L. and ran Islington Care Homes. Kicked out of the Labour Party in 2010 after cash for lobbying scandal. In September 2009 her adult son, Nicholas Hewitt Birtles, was arrested for cocaine possession.
Peter Tatchell an openly gay multiculturalist Australian he fled Australia in 1971 to avoid National Service. Tatchell claims that after meeting members of the Gay Liberation Front while importuning young boys in London toilets he joined , however “Founding Members” photos of the GLF show Tatchell. He became a leading member of GLF when it ran Islington Care Homes in the 1970s. Ran as the Labour Parliamentary Candidate in Bermondsey in 1983 ( and lost ). Infamously Tatchell said “Not all sex involving children is unwanted ,abusive or harmful”. For some reason Tatchell has a 3 inch thick steel door on his flat. Tatchell has claimed many of his friends had sexual relationships with adults when they were 9 to 13 years old with no harmful effects. Widely believed to have been a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange when it was affiliated to GLF in the 1970s , however the Metropolitan Police claim they destroyed all membership records of P.I.E. in 1983.

Ed Balls MP Multi millionaire Bilderberger multiculturalist. Although not strictly part of Blairs’ Islington People he is worth a mention. While he was studying Politics, Philosophy and Economics at Keble College, Oxford he was a member of the University Conservative Association and in 1986 appeared at a University Ball dressed as a Nazi. At the Treasury it was Balls’s idea to sell off British gold reserves and buy Euros. Balls was also put in charge of the deregulation of the City by Brown , which helped lead to the financial collapse. When Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, Balls was promoted to Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families and he immediately tried to introduce compulsory sex education for all Schoolchildren from the age of 5 including simulating masturbation with sex toys. Even within Labour Party circles he is seen as a bit weird.

PLEASE NOTE:
In the UK the original D-Notice system was introduced in 1912 and run as a voluntary system by a joint committee headed by an Assistant Secretary of the War Office and a representative of the Press Association.In 1993, the notices were renamed DA-Notices.
Any D-Notices or DA-notices are advisory requests so are not legally enforceable and hence news editors can, in theory, choose not to abide by them. However, they are generally complied with by the media. In 1971, all existing D-Notices were cancelled and replaced by standing D-Notices that gave general guidance on what could be published and what could not, and what would require further advice from the secretary of the Defence, Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee (DPBAC).
FORGET POLITICAL CORRECTNESS WHERE CHILD SAFETY IS INVOLVED:
The 1992 analysis by Stephen Green (The Sexual Dead End, Broad View) indicates that in the UK a homosexual male is 23 times more likely to commit a sex offence against an under 16 than a heterosexual male. It does not follow that all, or even the majority, of homosexual persons are drawn to sexually abusing children , but would you use one as a babysitter?
Labour Party Paedophile Scandal 1
Harriet Ruth Harman MP QC (born 1950) She was the interim Leader of the Labour Party, and Leader of the Opposition, from 11 May to 25 September 2010. Harman is currently Deputy Leader for the Labour Party. After qualifying as a lawyer, Harriet Harman worked for Brent Law Centre in London. Her husband is Jack Dromey MP. She is the niece of Lord Longford.
Between 1978 and 1982, Harriet Harman was employed as the Legal Officer for the National Council for Civil Liberties which later became Liberty.
At the time the National Council for Civil Liberties was officially affiliated to two organisations, the Paedophile Information Exchange and the Paedophile Action for Liberation, whose members argued openly for the abolition of the age of consent.
When Harriet Harman first entered politics this matter was brought up, but a friendly media and other politicians accepted her claims that the NCCL no longer had any connection with P.I.E./P.A.L. when she was Legal Officer between 1978 and 1982 . However it later transpired that P.I.E./P.A.L. had been officially affiliated with the NCCL until 1982, when Harman left and P.I.E./P.A.L. went underground.
She has since repeatedly veered between denying any connection with P.I.E. and P.A.L., and claiming that as a Legal Officer for the NCCL she had no choice in who she represented. Patricia Hewitt ex MP was General Secretary of the National Council for Civil Liberties from 1974 to 1983.
As with a lot of liars Harman has different versions of events for different audiences.
Let’s look at the first lie that she was never connected or in contact with P.I.E. or P.A.L. in any way:
Documents now in the Public Domain show a NCCL letter signed by Harriet Harman objecting in the strongest terms to any laws against child pornography, unless it could be proved by the prosecution that the child was harmed. The NCCL also submitted a response to the Government arguing for lowering the age of consent and stating “ Childhood sexual experiences , willingly engaged in , with an adult result in no identifiable damage.” When the Government moved to crack down on child pornography , the NCCL’s response, again signed by Harriet Harman , claimed the new law could lead to “ absurd prosecutions and increased censorship”. As Legal Officer for the NCCL she also argued to abolish incest laws. Jack Dromey served on the NCCL Executive Committee from 1970 to 1979. There are allegations that Lord Longford was part of this lobbying but no documentary evidence has emerged yet.
So having nailed the lie that she was never involved in P.I.E. or P.A.L. let’s have a look at the lie that she had no choice but to represent paedophile groups as Legal Officer for NCCL. Well this is also obviously not true as visiting the NCCL/Liberty website will show that NCCL/Liberty state :
“ Liberty receives thousands of requests for legal advice and assistance each year. Because we're a small organisation with limited resources, our lawyers are unable to take up all of these cases actively.”
So clearly NCCL/Liberty don’t have to take up every case they are approached with.
P.I.E. went underground in 1982, but resurfaced in June 2012 mounting a demo in support of muslim paedophiles outside Liverpool Crown Court led by Labour Party Councillor Louise Baldock and Labour Party Activists Bob Sutton , Maev McDaid , Phil Dickens and Nikki McDonough.
For more Labour Party paedophile scandals google “ Labour25” .
Labour Party Paedophile Scandal 2
In the London Borough of Islington, all of Islington's 12 children's homes were run by paedophiles from the 70's up until the early 90's and protected by Islington Council and the National Government. Victims vigorously pursued justice and appealed to all levels of government for help but were blocked at every turn.
While government authorities continually refused to investigate despite undeniable evidence, The Evening Standard newspaper did investigate and found that many of the children's homes managers were part of an international ring that supplied children for abuse and pornography after the Care Home system had been infiltrated by the Gay Liberation Front, who had insisted no background checks were made on care workers.. The abuse in Islington was connected to the abuse and murder ring in Jersey and other locations and children were exchanged between facilities. Police in the UK and Jersey were given full details but would not investigate.
The Jersey investigation was hampered at every turn by the authorities in Jersey and Deputy Chief Officer Lenny Harper, who headed up the investigation, faced sustained obstruction from fellow policemen as well as threats from members of Jersey's government and prominent citizens. He had to bring in police from the UK to assist in the investigation due to the lack of cooperation from local police and government officials. Jack Straw MP was the Labour Home Secretary at the time.
Harper retired under death threats in 2008 and has been the repeated target of efforts to discredit him and the investigation he courageously led. The Jersey government even went so far as to issue an arrest warrant for Harper after he left the Island, claiming that he was under investigation for falsifying evidence.
One of the people instrumental in the cover up was Margaret Hodge. She started her political career in 1973 as an Islington councillor and was Council Leader from 1982 through 1992. During her reign, the children's homes were engaging in wholesale abuse of children and she did all she could to protect the operations.
Not all Islington Council employees were involved in the abuse of children. Social workers Liz Davies and David Cofie resigned their jobs so they could report the abuse to authorities and demand that Scotland Yard investigate. Liz Davies had refused to deliver a 7 year old girl to a known paedophile. Other Islington social workers wanted to testify but were afraid for their jobs.
The exposure of the paedophile ring resulted in the conviction of only Roy Caterer, who spent 7 1/2 years in prison for sexually abusing seven boys and two girls.
Scotland Yard refused to investigate further despite overwhelming evidence and persistent pleas by the former social workers and victims.
It wasn't until The Evening Standard started covering the story that the public outcry forced Margaret Hodge to resign her position as Council Leader after describing the journalists as “ gutter press “ and the victims as “ extremely disturbed and mentally unstable“. But British Children weren’t safe for long.
In 2003, fully aware of Hodge's avid support of child abuse, British Prime Minister Tony Blair made Hodge his Minister for Children . The position was created just for Hodge. Such a blatantly defiant act by Tony Blair shows unconditional support for paedophiles at the highest levels of British government and the ruling class.
Hodge was further rewarded on 27 June 2007 when she was appointed Minister of State at the Department for Culture, Media and Sport by the new Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. Hodge is Jewish and married to another politician, Sir Henry Hodge, who was made a high court judge in 2004.
Margaret Hodge was a key component of Tony Blair’s “ Islington Set “ and lived a few doors away from him.
For more Labour Party paedophile scandals please google “ Labour25”
Sir Jimmy Savile’s Funeral Mystery
There does seem to be a bit of a shroud of mystery over who attended Jimmy Savile’s funeral and who sent tributes as no official guest list has been released , but this is what I have:
So who attended Sir Jimmy Savile’s funeral?
Monsignor Kieran Heskin, Father Martin Kelly and Reverend Arthur Roche officiated.
John Beerling - not a well known character but is well worth considering as he was in charge of recruiting all the DJ s at Radio One from 1967 to 1993 and hired Savile in 1969.
Howard Silverman Savile’s best friend ( worth a very good look at ).
Frank Bruno
DJ Mike Read
DJ Tony Prince ( who made a strange Satanic/Illuminati hand signal at the funeral ).
DJ Dave Eager
DJ Dave Lee Travis
DJ Tony Blackburn
DJ David “Diddy” Hamilton.
Not sure about Esther Rancid as there is no photo of her there.
So who sent tributes?
The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall led the tributes to him.
The Bee Gees sent cards and flowers - Michael Jackson has previously stated that Robin Gibb “ also liked sleeping with Children “.
Cameron/Clegg/Miliband all sent tributes and/or flowers.
Most mass media outlets sent tributes/flowers/cards/representatives.
So who couldn’t make it?
Claire McAlpine ( killed herself at age 15 in 1971 after naming Savile and other BBC Staff for sexually abusing and raping her - the authorities all dismissed her as a fantasist).
Any of the children still missing and presumed dead from the BBC/Islington/Jersey Child rape , torture , pornography and murder ring.
His nephew, Guy Marsden, who claims he attended BBC “Showbiz Parties “ as a Child where Children as young as 9 were taken from London Care Homes and sexually abused , tortured and raped - he hasn’t identified any other paedophiles yet.
Coleen Nolan ( Nolan Sisters ) who claims he tried to get her back to his hotel room when she was 14 to sexually abuse her.
His not so close friend Freddie Starr who claims he met Savile only briefly twice and never visited the BBC Studios. However footage from 1974 shows him on the BBC with Savile and Karin Ward, the woman who claims he abused her. Currently residing in Studley , Warwickshire.
His close friend Peter Sutcliffe (murderer of 13 women) currently residing in Broadmoor High Security Mental Hospital.
His close friend Ted Heath the Bilderberger Child rapist/torturer/murderer currently residing in Hell.

Or is it taken from this thread?!

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 08:36 PM
I would be extremely surprised if real paedos posted anything obviously dubious on Facebook etc. Not saying it doesn't happen...but they tend to be extremely secretive and I would have thought the quickest way of getting your collar felt was to put anything iffy on FB.

So yes, very likely certain people with a vested interest in playing on the fears of parents everywhere by making it look as if social media sites are infested with nonces. But censoring the internet in the UK would take a massive investment to implement. And that money just isn't there so they're likely to use crap like the McAlpine swindle to make people think they'll be hoiked into court if they mention anything a bit touchy.

claydog
24-11-2012, 08:36 PM
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Bowie is pan-sexual and it's a word not encouraged. They don't get enjoyment from normal straight sex for one thing, pedophilia is normal to pan-sexual. And its nothing to do with homo-sexuality which has been deliberately demonized by these monsters via their controlled religious doctrines.

Royal bloodline is the purest form of this insanity and abomination and closely guarded by occultism such as Ordo Templi Orientis. This is the origins of Stokers bluebloods. Not some daft twat in a cape but the psychic vampires that Leach of others, a parasitic entity and this is why they build their major houses of influence on Earth ley lines. Check out a map and see for yourself Windsor castle and Vatican city.

o_rourke
24-11-2012, 08:39 PM
I would be extremely surprised if real paedos posted anything obviously dubious on Facebook etc. Not saying it doesn't happen...but they tend to be extremely secretive and I would have thought the quickest way of getting your collar felt was to put anything iffy on FB.

So yes, very likely certain people with a vested interest in playing on the fears of parents everywhere by making it look as if social media sites are infested with nonces. But censoring the internet in the UK would take a massive investment to implement. And that money just isn't there so they're likely to use crap like the McAlpine swindle to make people think they'll be hoiked into court if they mention anything a bit touchy.

Indeed. Just like we had some dodgy peeps putting the boot in at the riots to cause utter chaos. And then we have Cameron providing the pissed off masses with the solution........extreme nazi measures for anyone who dares to step out of line to protest their rights.

thentherewere4
24-11-2012, 08:39 PM
The Prince & The Cult - A God & Tony Blair

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The Cult - The Background

Saytha Sai Baba is a one man cult with an estimated 30 million followers worldwide and is possibly India's most controversial holy man. The man gained a following in his teens when he claimed to have divine powers and, later, it was said of him he was an incarnation of God. His teachings are benign - his most famous mantra is "Love All, Serve All" - and he encourages followers, which include many of India's political elite, to undertake humanitarian work.

Baba purports to be able to miraculously conjure sacred ash and expensive jewellery into the palm of his hand, as if out of thin air. Opponents dismiss his miracles as party tricks. The Sai Organisation claims to have more than 1,200 Saytha Sai Baba Centres in more than 100 countries.

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Here is the leader making a stone appear from his mouth

2004 - BBC Allegations Sexual Abuse

The allegations of sexual abuse against the religion focus primarily on the cult's leader Saytha Sai Baba. For decades male former devotees have alleged that the guru molested them during so-called "interviews". During a notable youth pilgrimage, in 2004, young people were granted group interviews with the guru after administering medical aid to villages surrounding Sai Baba's ashram in Puttaparthi, Andhra Pradesh.

Each year large numbers of young men travel from across the world to study alongside and meet their guru. Supporters say their encounters are spiritually enriching. Others tell of a different and more alarming experience as did the 2004 participants in a BBC programme, 'The Secret Swami'. Here Saytha Sai Baba is directly accused of sexual abuse. Claims made in the programme include allegations Sai Baba massaged his students testicles with oil and coerced them into oral sex with him.

Sai Baba has never been charged over the sex abuse allegations. However shortly after the programme aired the US State Department subsequently issued a travel warning to it's citizens after reports of "inappropriate sexual behaviour by a prominent local religious leader". Officials reluctant at first to name the offender did upon further questionning confirm the advisory was a direct reference to the stone reguritating leader of the cult Sai Baba.

2005 - Prince Philip Approves Cult

Mr Chudasama, UK representative of the organisation, attended a private audience with Prince Philip at St James's Palace. "Prince Philip showed a very keen interest in our youth and asked many questions," Mr Chudasama wrote in a Sai newsletter. "I also had the opportunity to mention ... that we drew our inspiration and motivation from our founder Sri Sathya Sai Baba; he paused for a few seconds and then said: "Very good".

2006 - Duke of Edinburgh Awards Association

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In July the Sai Organisation in the form of Mr Chudasama received a certificate from The Duke of Edinburgh for their "invaluable contribution" to the DoE awards scheme at a Buckingham Palace garden party held for award winners.

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Upon hearing of the association between the Duke of Edinburgh and of the award given to the Saytha Sai Baba cult Tom Sackville, a former Home Office minister and chairman of Fair, a cult-watching and victim support group, said: "It is appallingly naive for the Duke of Edinburgh awards scheme to involve young people and the Royal Family with an organisation whose leader is accused of paedophilia. Parents who plan to send their children on this month's pilgrimage... should be aware of the danger their children are being exposed to."

In a news posting on the Sai Baba website, Mr Chudasama recounted the moment he delivered his speech at Buckingham Palace to "various dignitaries, diplomats, ministers and famous celebrities" at the palace. "I was the last speaker called up, and suddenly a confidence, a joy, engulfed my being," he said. "I attributed everything to our founder Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. As I spoke I watched the sea of faces, they were hanging from my every word and there was a look of excitement on their faces as if to say 'why have we not heard of this organisation before?'."

Those Allegations Again

After the ceremony the sexual abuse allegations were made known (again) to Peter Westgarth, chief executive of the DoE awards scheme. Stirred into action Westgarth immediately and very publicly faced down calls to terminate the DoE's relationship with the Sai organisation. He said: "This is not the only religion accused of paedophilia. Young people who are participating on these trips are doing so because they choose to," he said. "The awards accredit the good work they do for poor people in India. We make no judgment about their religion. We would no sooner intervene here than we would the Church Lads' and Girls' Brigade."

The Guardian later revealed the sexual abuse allegations and association shock waves rocked the palace to the core. The Palace went into lockdown as the Duke’s representatives sought legal advice. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office went into panic mode, quelling dissent from bussinesses in the UK and India and avoiding political blowbacks in Anglo-Indian relations that might be the cause of yet further embarrassment to the Royal Family.

Royal Censorship

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Peter Westgarth CEO of the Duke of Edinburgh Awards Scheme then intervened very much on behalf of the Duke of Edinburgh and the Palace. Westgarth ensured a news story relaying the news of the Palace Garden Party awards ceremony, which appeared on the Sai Baba website was removed after it was brought to Westgarth's attention. The official Puttaparthi website withdrawal did not stop the Australian Sathya Sai Organization from trumpeting the UK youth wing’s award. Here is the page Westgarth had removed and censored in the UK:

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Peter Westgarth justified the Palace's censorship of the content on the grounds that 'the event had been misrepresented'. Quite how an awards ceremony in which one person willingly offers a piece of paper to another also willing receipient can be misconstrued or misinterpreted in a news report of 'all the action' is something Peter Westgarth will do doubt one day deign to explain to mere mortals like us.

Confusion in the News

Barry Pittard of The Guardian managed to garner this from the Saytha Sai Baba organisation on the matter of the Palace and Royal censorship of their website;
"His Royal Highness’s officials had to act on top of a ‘politically’ not very experienced or competent UK Duke of Edinburgh Awards CEO Peter Westgarth. They were slow off the mark. However after very high level representations from us, the Duke of Edinburgh Award Scheme trustees and Prince Philip’s Private Secretary, Brigadier Sir Miles Hunt-Davis KCVO, CBE, realized that a serious matter was at hand.

Questions were also raised by some powerful citizens, including a former Home Minister, Tom Sackville. The Duke of Edinburgh Awards required of Dr G. Venkataraman, head of Sathya Sai Baba’s international propaganda apparatus and deputy world chairman of the Sathya Sai Organization, that an official of the Sai Baba website take down the triumphant – but absurdly mistaken – information that the Duke of Edinburgh Award had been awarded to Sai Baba himself. Venkataraman complied”.

Now instead of the swami's 'omnipresence' being a 'guiding hand' it had somehow become a political embarresement and cause for concern for The Palace and the organisation itself.

Correctness Not Sex Abuse

The issue as reported in the Guardian apparently raised some serious issues of correctness that worried the Palace. The incorrectness being the accredition on the certificate and the suggestion is also that made Peter Westgarth was inexperienced and had literaly 'dropped one'. This we were told was the real reason the website withdrew the palace report and not the gushing associations made between The Duke, The Palace and The Queen and the Saytha Sai Baba Organisation. Tom Sackville spoke strongly against any such association yet here his name is used by the organisation to confuse and somehow bolster their supposed concerns about Palace news protocol.

Brigadier Sir Miles Hunt-Davis, Prince Philip's private secretary, carried the baton of news confusion to new heights writing in the Guardian: "[We] are very keen to get this sorted out properly and finally."adding "Trustees of the award would undertake legal advice before deciding how to proceed".


Parliament and Politicos

Next questions about the unhealty association of the Duke of Edinburgh with child sex abuse allegations were asked by politicans. The Conservative MP Michael Gove said he intende to ask the Royal Charity to consider a stricter monitoring of the organisations they they work with. "As a society we need a more determined effort to identify and expose those religious cults and extremists that pose a direct threat to people, so that they do not enjoy patronage that should be directed elsewhere," he said. There is no record of the Royal Charities response or record of the question ever having been put in the first place.


The Organisation Fights Back

Shitu Chudasama, Sai's UK national youth coordinator, went on the offensive and vigoursly defended the youth trips saying they were primarily humanitarian in essence, a mission to help impoverished people. He said the sex abuse claims were "totally unfounded" adding "We hope to have an interview with Sai Baba but it's not guaranteed. If he wants to see us, he'll call us."
There is no record in the intervening 12 years of any such meeting having been held.


2007 - Tony Blair Refuses Sathya Sai Baba

One year later and the rumblings of sexual abuse were as loud as ever. They just wouldn't go away as Blair was forced to cancel a meeting at the last minute at Brindavan with Sathya Sai Baba. A political party, and one led by of all people Blair, appears to be far more sensitve to this association than a National Treasure like the Monarchy.

In the UK paedophilia and sexual abuse of minors might well bring down a goverment but is a mere trifle and a spelling mistake and no cause at all for concern for a Prince, a Queen or an institution like The Family Royale.








The full 2004 BBC program 'The Secret Swami' is available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOjk2NpKMFM

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 08:40 PM
People have often mentioned Savile's resemblance to a scarecrow...and whaddaya know... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/881540.stm

claydog
24-11-2012, 08:41 PM
People have often mentioned Savile's resemblance to a scarecrow...and whaddaya know... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/881540.stm


He is more Child Catcher from chitty chitty bang bang but with royal protection

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 08:46 PM
Here's Savile 'running' the 2005 London Marathon: All sizes | Jimmy Savile | Flickr - Photo Sharing! As he said himself, 'I'm crooked'.

thehuntergatherer
24-11-2012, 08:47 PM
Let's ask Rolf Harris :rolleyes:

Yep, it all stinks to high heaven ref the NW passage...:rolleyes:

Christ Anders is it just me..or have i logged onto Prattlingfuckwitfishwives.com...is there abloody full moon tonight?or was there a breach of the perimeter fence at The Keith Chegwin home For The Mentally Infirm,sometime today?;):D:D Its like being in the audience at Loose Women.:rolleyes::rolleyes:In off to watch some paint dry,phone me when its all over mate.

trafficker
24-11-2012, 08:49 PM
He is more Child Catcher from chitty chitty bang bang but with royal protection


Well he did scare all the birds.....he only wanted the chicks

concernedmom
24-11-2012, 08:49 PM
Most things find their way online. But not the Allen documentary. Someone has gone to considerable lengths to make sure there are no digital copies anywhere.

theres a link on this thread - dated at the start of last week I think.

Its in two parts cos I watched it.

white horse
24-11-2012, 08:51 PM
Yes I hope so too. We forget that all of these children in care are already starved of normal affection from parents and will grab any comforts that they can. It doesn't surprise me in the least that some of them would see the abuse as a ritual to get over with so that they can enjoy the materialistics that we take for granted.

We can only hope that by not naming names in the video is a level of protection for him.

Not to downplay how bad this is for those victims...

But it's not too dissimilar from working for 'the man' 40hrs a week. :(

You just bite down and take it cos you know at the end of the month you can get that big tv and a holiday later in the year. Working for a boss you despise doing a job you despise.

claydog
24-11-2012, 08:51 PM
Here's Savile 'running' the 2005 London Marathon: Jimmy Savile | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jazza2/9676198/lightbox/) As he said himself, 'I'm crooked'.




LOL. Savile told loads of people he had royal blood and this is why he called his mum "the duchess" The BBC played him off as eccentric when he was just being himself and that's a black prince of occultism, he was feared and revered by many, and he is guilty of some shocking crimes that are now beginning to make the mass consciousness..

No such thing as coincidence only lack of synchronicity and this is why I expect the exposures to carry on flooding until it's perfectly acceptable that we have been controlled our entire lives.. But waking up and taking out the parasite that controlled us

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 08:52 PM
theres a link on this thread - dated at the start of last week I think.

Its in two parts cos I watched it.

I thought that was a show discussing the movie, rather than the movie itself :confused:

bellahunter
24-11-2012, 08:53 PM
Weird coincidences today.

Went into a charity shop and right on the front rack was a really pretty top. Looked at the label, the company was called BELLA- only then did I twig- it was in the shape of a butterfly . The ladies will know the type- a heavily beaded butterfly.

When we got back to the car 5 mins later- we had parked outside 'Saville Travel'.

Spooky. Was Wimborne trying to tell me something.

Well here we go. Googled Wimborne and pedophilia and look what turned up
Montague Druitt

c. 1879
Born 15 August 1857
Wimborne Minster, Dorset, England
Died early December 1888 (aged 31)
Body discovered River Thames, near Thornycroft's torpedo works, Chiswick, on 31 December 1888
Resting place Wimborne cemetery
Education B.A. in Classics
Alma mater New College, Oxford, and Inner Temple
Occupation Teacher and barrister
Employer George Valentine's school, Blackheath
Known for Suspect in the Jack the Ripper murders
Parents William Druitt and Ann Harvey
Relatives Six brothers and sisters: William, Arthur, Edward, Georgiana, Edith, and Ethel
Montague John Druitt (15 August 1857 – early December 1888)[1] was one of the suspects in the Jack the Ripper murders that took place in London between August and November 1888.
He came from an upper-middle class English background, and studied at Winchester College and the University of Oxford. After graduating, he took a position at a boarding school and pursued a parallel career in the law; he qualified as a barrister in 1885. His main interest outside work was cricket, which he played with many leading players of the time, including Lord Harris and Francis Lacey.
In November 1888, he lost his post at the school for reasons that remain unclear. One month later his body was found drowned in the River Thames. His death, which was found to be a suicide, roughly coincided with the end of the murders that were attributed to Jack the Ripper. Private suggestions in the 1890s that he could have committed the crimes became public knowledge in the 1960s, and led to the publication of books that proposed him as the murderer. The evidence against him was entirely circumstantial, however, and many writers from the 1970s onwards have rejected him as a likely suspect.
Contents  [hide] 
1 Early life
2 Career
3 Cricket
4 Death
5 Jack the Ripper suspect
6 Legacy
7 Fiction
8 Notes
9 References
10 External links
[edit]Early life

Druitt was born in Wimborne Minster, Dorset, England. He was the second son and third child of prominent local surgeon William Druitt, and his wife Ann (née Harvey). William Druitt was a Justice of the Peace, a governor of the local grammar school, and a regular worshiper at the local Anglican church, the Minster.[2] Montague was christened at the Minster by his maternal great-uncle, Rev. William Mayo, six weeks after his birth.[3] The Druitts lived at Westfield House, which was the largest house in the town and set in its own grounds with stables and servants' cottages.[4] The house still stands in Wimborne Minster at the end of Westfield Close and is now subdivided into flats. Montague had six brothers and sisters,[2] including an elder brother William who entered the law, and a younger brother Edward who joined the Royal Engineers.[5]


Winchester College Chapel
Photograph by Christophe Finot
Montague was educated at Winchester College, where he won a scholarship at the age of 13, and excelled at sports, especially cricket and fives.[6] He was active in the school's debating society, an interest that might have spawned his desire to become a barrister.[7] He spoke in favour of French republicanism, compulsory military service, and the resignation of Benjamin Disraeli, and against the Ottoman Empire, the influence of Otto von Bismarck, and the conduct of the government in the Tichbourne case.[8] He defended William Wordsworth as "a bulwark of Protestantism",[9] and condemned the execution of King Charles I as "a most dastardly murder that will always attach to England's fair name as a blot".[8] In a light-hearted debate, he spoke against the proposition that bondage to fashion is a social evil.[8][9] In his final year at Winchester, 1875–76, he was Prefect of Chapel, treasurer of the debating society, school fives champion, and opening bowler for the cricket team.[9] In June 1876, he played cricket against Eton College, whose winning team included cricketing luminaries Ivo Bligh and Kynaston Studd, and future Principal Private Secretary at the Home Office Evelyn Ruggles-Brise. Druitt bowled out Studd for four.[10] With a glowing academic record, he was awarded a Winchester Scholarship to New College, Oxford.[11]
At New College, he was popular with his peers, and was elected Steward of the Junior Common Room by his fellow students.[12] He played cricket and rugby for the college team, and was the winner of both double and single fives at the university in 1877.[13] In a seniors' cricket match in 1880, he bowled out William Patterson, who later captained Kent County Cricket Club.[14] Druitt graduated from Oxford in 1880 with a third class Bachelor of Arts degree in Classics.[12] Montague's youngest brother, Arthur, entered New College in 1882,[15] just as Montague followed in his eldest brother William's footsteps by embarking on a career in the law.[16]
[edit]Career



The Inner Temple, 1895
Sketch by Herbert Railton
On 17 May 1882, two years after graduation, Druitt was admitted to the Inner Temple, one of the qualifying bodies for English barristers. His father had promised him a legacy of £500 (equivalent to £37,000 today),[17] and Druitt paid his membership fees with a loan from his father secured against the inheritance.[18] He was called to the bar on 29 April 1885, and set up a practice as a barrister and special pleader.[19] Druitt's father died suddenly from a heart attack in September 1885, leaving an estate valued at £16,579 (equivalent to £1,327,000 today).[17][20] In a codicil, Druitt senior instructed his executors to deduct the money he had advanced to his son from the legacy of £500. Montague received very little money, if any, from his father's will, although he did receive some of his father's personal possessions.[21] Most of Dr Druitt's estate went to his wife Ann, three unmarried daughters (Georgiana, Edith and Ethel), and eldest son William.[22]
Druitt rented legal chambers at 9 King's Bench Walk in the Inner Temple.[23] In the late Victorian era only the wealthy could afford legal action, and only one in eight qualified barristers was able to make a living from the law.[24] While some of Druitt's biographers claim his practice did not flourish,[25] others suppose that it provided him with a relatively substantial income on the basis of his costly lease of chambers and the value of his estate at death.[26][27] He is listed in the Law List of 1886 as active in the Western Circuit and Winchester Sessions, and for 1887 in the Western Circuit and Hampshire, Portsmouth and Southampton Assizes.[28]
To supplement his income and help pay for his legal training, Druitt worked as an assistant schoolmaster at George Valentine's boarding school, 9 Eliot Place, Blackheath, London, from 1880.[29] The school had a long and distinguished history; Benjamin Disraeli had been a pupil there in the 1810s, and boys from the school had been playmates of a younger son of Queen Victoria, Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught, who as a boy in the 1860s had lived nearby at Greenwich Park.[30] Druitt's post came with accommodation in Eliot Place, and the long school holidays gave him time to study the law and to pursue his interest in cricket.[31]
[edit]Cricket

In Dorset, Druitt played for the Kingston Park Cricket Club,[32] and the Dorset County Cricket Club.[33] He was particularly noted for his skill as a bowler.[34][35] In 1882 and 1883, he toured the West Country with a gentleman's touring team called the Incogniti.[36] One of Druitt's fellow local players was Francis Lacey, the first man knighted for services to cricket.[37] Druitt played for another wandering team, the Butterflies, on 14 June 1883, when they drew against his alma mater Winchester College. The team included first-class cricketers A. J. Webbe, J. G. Crowdy, John Frederick and Charles Seymour.[38]
While working at Blackheath, Druitt joined the local cricket club, Blackheath Morden, and became the club's treasurer.[39][40] It was a well-connected club: the President was politician Sir Charles Mills and one of its players was Stanley Christopherson.[41] After the merger of the club with other local sports associations to form the Blackheath Cricket, Football and Lawn Tennis Company, Druitt took on the additional roles of company secretary and director.[39][42] The inaugural game of the new club was played against George Gibbons Hearne's Eleven, which included many members of the famous cricketing Hearne family. Hearne's team won by 21 runs.[43] On 5 June 1886, in a match between Blackheath and a gentleman's touring team called the Band of Brothers, led by Lord Harris, Druitt bowled Harris for 14 and took three other wickets. Blackheath won by 178 runs.[44] Two weeks later, he dismissed England batsman John Shuter, who was playing for Bexley Cricket Club, for a duck, and Blackheath won the game by 114 runs.[45] The following year, Shuter returned to Blackheath with a Surrey County side that included Walter Read, William Lockwood, and Bobby Abel, whom Druitt bowled out for 56. Surrey won by 147 runs.[46]
On 26 May 1884, Druitt was elected to the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) on the recommendation of his fellow Butterflies player Charles Seymour, who proposed him, and noted fielder Vernon Royle, who seconded his nomination.[47] One of the minor matches he played for MCC was with England bowler William Attewell against Harrow School on 10 June 1886. MCC won by 57 runs.[48] He also played against MCC for Blackheath: on 23 July 1887, he bowled out Dick Pougher for 28 runs, but Druitt only made 5 runs before he was bowled out by Arnold Fothergill with a ball caught by Pougher. MCC won by 52 runs.[49]
In June 1888, Lord Harris played twice for Blackheath with Druitt and Stanley Christopherson; Blackheath won both matches easily, but Druitt was off form and contributed neither runs nor wickets in either match.[50] In August 1888, Druitt played for the Gentlemen of Bournemouth against the Parsees cricket team during their tour of England, and took five wickets in the visitors' first innings. Nevertheless, the Parsees won.[51] On 8 September 1888, the Blackheath Club played against the Christopherson brothers. Druitt was bowled out by Stanley Christopherson, who was playing with his brothers instead of for Blackheath, and in reply Druitt bowled out Christopherson. Blackheath won by 22 runs.[52][53]
In addition to cricket, Druitt also participated in field hockey.[54]
[edit]Death

On Friday 30 November 1888, Druitt was dismissed from his post at the Blackheath boys' school. The reason for his dismissal is unclear.[27][55] One newspaper, quoting his brother William's inquest testimony, reported that he was dismissed because he "had got into serious trouble", but did not specify any further.[56] In early December 1888, he disappeared, and on 21 December 1888 the Blackheath Cricket Club's minute book records that he was removed as treasurer and secretary in the belief that he had "gone abroad".[57]
On 31 December 1888, his body was found floating in the River Thames, off Thornycroft's torpedo works, Chiswick, by a waterman named Henry Winslade.[58][59] Stones in Druitt's pockets had kept his body submerged for about a month.[60] He was carrying a train ticket to Hammersmith dated 1 December, a silver watch, a cheque for £50 and £16 in gold (equivalent to £4,100 and £1,300 today).[17][61][62] It is not known why he should have carried such a large amount of money,[63] but it could have been a final payment from the school.[27][64]
Some modern authors suggest that Druitt was dismissed because he was a homosexual or pederast and that it may have driven him to suicide.[65] One speculation is that the money found on his body was going to be used for payment to a blackmailer.[66] Others, however, think that there is no evidence of homosexuality and that his suicide was instead precipitated by an hereditary psychiatric illness.[67] His mother suffered from depression and was institutionalised from July 1888.[68] She died in an asylum in Chiswick in 1890.[69] His maternal grandmother committed suicide while insane; his aunt attempted suicide; and his eldest sister committed suicide in old age.[70] A note written by Druitt and addressed to his brother William, who was a solicitor in Bournemouth, was found in Druitt's room in Blackheath. It read, "Since Friday I felt that I was going to be like mother, and the best thing for me was to die."[71]
As was usual in the district, the inquest was held at the Lamb Tap public house, Chiswick, by the coroner Dr Thomas Bramah Diplock on 2 January 1889.[72] The coroner's jury concluded that Druitt had committed suicide by drowning while in an unsound state of mind.[73] He was buried in Wimborne cemetery the next day.[61][74] At probate, his estate was valued at £2,600 (equivalent to £214,800 today).[17][75]
It is not known why Druitt committed suicide in Chiswick. One suggested link is that one of his University friends, Thomas Seymour Tuke of the Tuke family, lived there. Tuke was a psychiatric doctor with whom Druitt played cricket, and Druitt's mother was committed to Tuke's asylum in 1890.[27][76] Another suggestion is that Druitt knew Harry Wilson, whose house, "The Osiers", lay between Hammersmith station and Thornycroft's wharf, where Druitt's body was found.[77]
[edit]Jack the Ripper suspect



George R. Sims appears to identify Druitt with the Ripper, albeit obliquely, in his autobiography.
On 31 August 1888, Mary Ann Nichols was found murdered in the impoverished Whitechapel district in the East End of London. Her throat was slashed. During September, three more women (Annie Chapman on the 8th and Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes on the 30th) were found dead with their throats cut. On 9 November 1888, the body of Mary Jane Kelly was discovered. Her throat had been severed down to the spine. In four of the cases the bodies were mutilated after death. The similarities between the crimes led to the supposition that they were committed by the same assailant, who was given the nickname "Jack the Ripper". Despite an extensive police investigation into the five murders, the Ripper was never identified and the crimes remained unsolved.
Shortly after Kelly's murder, stories that the Ripper had drowned in the Thames began to circulate.[27] In February 1891, the MP for West Dorset, Henry Richard Farquharson, announced that Jack the Ripper was "the son of a surgeon" who had committed suicide on the night of the last murder. Although Farquharson did not name his suspect, the description resembles Druitt. Farquharson lived 10 miles (16 km) from the Druitt family and was part of the same social class.[78] The Victorian journalist George R. Sims noted in his memoirs, The Mysteries of Modern London (1906), "[the Ripper's] body was found in the Thames after it had been in the river for about a month".[79] Similar comments were made by Sir John Moylan, Assistant Under-Secretary of the Home Office: "[the Ripper] escaped justice by committing suicide at the end of 1888" and Sir Basil Thomson, made Assistant Commissioner of the CID in 1913: "[the Ripper was] an insane Russian doctor [who] escaped arrest by committing suicide in the Thames at the end of 1888".[80] Neither Moylan nor Thomson was involved in the investigation.[81]


A page from Melville Macnaghten's 1894 memorandum in which Druitt and two other suspects in the Jack the Ripper murders are named
Assistant Chief Constable Sir Melville Macnaghten named Druitt as a suspect in the case in a private handwritten memorandum of 23 February 1894. Macnaghten highlighted the coincidence between Druitt's disappearance and death shortly after the last of the five murders on 9 November 1888, and claimed to have unspecified "private information" that left "little doubt" Druitt's own family believed him to have been the murderer.[82] Macnaghten's memo was eventually discovered in his personal papers by his daughter, Lady Aberconway, who showed them to British broadcaster Dan Farson. A slightly different abridged copy of the memo found in the Metropolitan Police archive was released to the public in 1966.[83] Farson first revealed Druitt's initials "MJD" in a television programme in November 1959.[84] In 1961, Farson investigated a claim by an Australian that Montague's cousin, Lionel Druitt, had written a pamphlet that claimed knowledge of the Ripper's identity, but the claim was never substantiated.[27][85] Journalist Tom Cullen revealed Druitt's full name in his 1965 book Autumn of Terror, which was followed by Farson's 1972 book Jack the Ripper.[86] Before the discovery of Macnaghten's memo, books on the Ripper case, such as those written by Leonard Matters and Donald McCormick, poured scorn on stories that the Ripper had drowned in the Thames because they could not find a suicide that matched the description of the culprit.[87] Cullen and Farson, however, supposed that Druitt was the Ripper on the basis of the Macnaghten memorandum,[88] the near coincidence between Druitt's death and the end of the murders, the closeness of Whitechapel to Druitt's rooms in the Inner Temple,[89] the insanity that was acknowledged by the inquest verdict of "unsound mind",[90] and the possibility that Druitt had absorbed the rudimentary anatomical skill supposedly shown by the Ripper through observing his father at work.[91]
Since the publication of Cullen's and Farson's books, other Ripper authors have argued that their theories are based solely on flawed circumstantial evidence, and have attempted to provide Druitt with alibis for the times of the murders.[27][92] On 1 September, the day after the murder of Nichols, Druitt was in Dorset playing cricket.[27][93] On the day of Chapman's murder, he played cricket in Blackheath, and the day after the murders of Stride and Eddowes, he was in the West Country defending a client in a court case.[94] While writers Andrew Spallek and Tom Cullen argue that Druitt had the time and opportunity to travel by train between London and his cricket and legal engagements, or use his city chambers as a base from which to commit the murders,[27][95] others dismiss the possibility as "improbable".[96] Many experts believe that the killer was local to Whitechapel,[97] whereas Druitt lived miles away on the other side of the River Thames.[98] His chambers were within walking distance of Whitechapel, and his regular rail commute would almost certainly have brought him to Cannon Street station, a few minutes' walk from the East End.[99] It seems unlikely, however, that he could have travelled the distance in blood-stained clothes unnoticed,[100] and a clue discovered during the investigation into the murder of Catherine Eddowes (a piece of her blood-stained clothing) indicates that the murderer travelled north-east from where she was murdered, but Druitt's chambers and the railway station were south-westwards.[101]
Macnaghten incorrectly described Druitt as a 41-year-old doctor,[27][102] and cited allegations that he "was sexually insane" without specifying the source or details of the allegations.[103] Macnaghten did not join the force until 1889, after the murder of Kelly and the death of Druitt, and was not involved in the investigation directly.[104] Macnaghten's memorandum named two other suspects ("Kosminski" and Michael Ostrog) and was written to refute allegations against a fourth, Thomas Cutbush.[27][105] The three Macnaghten suspects—Druitt, Kosminski and Ostrog—also match the descriptions of three unnamed suspects in Major Arthur Griffiths' Mysteries of Police and Crime (1898); Griffiths was Inspector of Prisons at the time of the Ripper murders.[106] Inspector Frederick Abberline, who was the lead investigative officer in the case, appeared to dismiss Druitt as a suspect on the basis that the only evidence against him was the coincidental timing of his suicide shortly after the fifth murder.[107] Other officials involved in the Ripper case, Metropolitan Police Commissioner James Monro and pathologist Thomas Bond, believed that the murder of Alice McKenzie on 17 July 1889, seven months after Druitt's death, was committed by the same culprit as the earlier murders.[108] The inclusion of McKenzie among the Ripper's victims was contested by Abberline and Macnaghten among others,[109] but if she was one of his victims, then Druitt clearly could not be the Ripper.[110] Another murder occasionally included among the Ripper cases is that of Martha Tabram, who was viciously stabbed to death on 7 August 1888. Her death coincided with the middle of Bournemouth Cricket Week, 4–11 August, in which Druitt was heavily involved, and was in the school holiday, which Druitt spent in Dorset.[111] In the words of one of his biographers, "It scarcely left time for a 200-mile round dash to fit in a murder."[112]
[edit]Legacy

Druitt was a favoured suspect in the Jack the Ripper crimes throughout the 1960s, until the advent of theories in the 1970s that the murders were not the work of a single serial killer but the result of a conspiracy involving the British royal family and Freemasonry.[113] The theories are widely condemned as ridiculous,[114] and implicate Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale, his tutor James Stephen, and their doctor Sir William Gull to varying degrees. One version of the conspiracy promoted by Stephen Knight in his 1976 book Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution supposed that Druitt was a scapegoat, chosen by officialdom to take the blame for the murders.[115] Martin Howells and Keith Skinner followed the same line in their 1987 book The Ripper Legacy, which was panned by one critic as being based on "no evidence whatever".[116]
The theories attempted to link Druitt with Clarence, Gull and Stephen through a network of mutual acquaintances and possible connections. Reginald Acland, the brother of Gull's son-in-law, had legal chambers in King's Bench Walk near Druitt's,[117] as did Harry Stephen, who was James Stephen's brother. Harry Stephen was good friends with Harry Wilson, who had a house in Chiswick, "The Osiers", near to where Druitt's body was found.[118] Wilson and James Stephen were close friends of Clarence, and were both members of an exclusive society called the Cambridge Apostles.[119] As a schoolboy, Druitt had played cricket against two of Wilson's friends, Kynaston Studd and Henry Goodhart, who was also one of the Apostles.[120] Another potential connection between Druitt and Wilson is through John Henry Lonsdale. Lonsdale's name and Blackheath address are written in a diary belonging to Wilson now in the possession of Trinity College, Cambridge. Lonsdale's address is a few yards from the school at which Druitt worked and lived, and Lonsdale had been a barrister and had also rented legal chambers in King's Bench Walk. In 1887, Lonsdale entered the church and was assigned as curate to Wimborne Minster, where the Druitt family worshiped. Lonsdale and Macnaghten were classmates at Eton, and so theorists argue that Lonsdale might have been in a position to provide "private information" to Macnaghten regarding Druitt.[121] The connections between the Apostles and Druitt led to the suggestion that he was part of the same social set.[122] Druitt, his mother and his sister Georgiana were invited to a ball in honour of Clarence at the home of Lord Wimborne on 17 December 1888, although they did not attend because by that time Montague was dead, his mother was in an asylum, and his sister was expecting her second child.[123] Clarence, Stephen, Wilson, Stud, and Goodhart are suggested to have been homosexual,[124] although this is contested by historians.[125] John Wilding's 1993 book Jack the Ripper Revealed used the connections between Druitt and Stephen to propose that they committed the crimes together, but reviewers considered it an "imaginative tale ... most questionable",[126] an "exercise in ingenuity rather than ... fact",[127] and "lack[ing] evidential support".[128]
In his 2005 and 2006 biographies of Druitt, D. J. Leighton concluded that Druitt was innocent,[129] but repeated some of Knight's and Wilding's discredited claims.[130] Leighton suggested that Druitt could have been murdered either out of greed by his elder brother William or, as previously suggested by Howells and Skinner,[131] out of fear of exposure by Harry Wilson's homosexual cronies.[132] The propensity of theorists to associate Ripper suspects with homosexuality has led scholars to assume that such notions are based on homophobia rather than evidence.[133]
The accusations against Clarence, Stephen, Gull and Druitt also draw on cultural perceptions of a decadent aristocracy, and depict an upper-class murderer or murderers preying on lower-class victims.[134] As Druitt and the other aristocratic Ripper suspects were wealthy, there is more biographical material on them than on the residents of the Whitechapel slums.[134] Consequently, it is easier for writers to construct solutions based on a wealthy culprit rather than one based on a Whitechapel resident.[134] There is no direct evidence against Druitt,[27][134][135] and since the 1970s, the number of Jack the Ripper suspects has continued to grow, with the result that there are now over 100 different theories about the Ripper's identity.[136][137]
[edit]Fiction

In fiction, Druitt is depicted as the murderer in the musical Jack the Ripper by Ron Pember and Denis de Marne. In John Gardner's Sherlock Holmes story The Revenge of Moriarty, Professor Moriarty's criminal exploits are hampered by increased police activity as a result of the Jack the Ripper murders. He discovers that Druitt is the murderer and so fakes his suicide in the hope that the police will lose interest once the murders cease.[138] The TV series Sanctuary depicts John Druitt as a scientist with the ability to teleport. Druitt is inhabited by an evil energy being, goes mad and becomes Jack the Ripper. His ability to teleport explains how he committed the murders when historical records show him distant from the crime scenes. In the anime Kuroshitsuji, the Viscount of Druitt is a suspect in the murders of several prostitutes, also dubbed the "Jack the Ripper" case. In Alan Moore and Eddie Campbell's graphic novel From Hell, which was based on Stephen Knight's book, Druitt is portrayed as a feminist with a deep love of cricket who is framed by the Freemasons as being a paedophile and misogynist; the Freemasons plant "clues" that he is Jack the Ripper and kill him, faking it as suicide, to ensure that he is not tried.
[edit]Notes

^ He was found dead on 31 December 1888 carrying a train ticket dated 1 December. His gravestone reads 4 December 1888; his death certificate gives the date his body was found. According to the probate records of his estate, he was last seen alive on 3 December (McDonald, p. 143).

neilvw
24-11-2012, 08:54 PM
An updated timeline of events at the BBC from Professor Stuart Purvis, going right back to the death of Savile and running up to recent days, including the 'McAlpine story' and aftermath. An excellent piece of work with incisive commentary from Prof Purvis.

The BBC is clearly implicated in the Establishment cover-up, but I feel it could be something of a weak link, which could be important . The Beeb is famously leaky, with employees who are apt not to follow their superiors' orders and who are not averse to leaking information especially when it pertains to behaviour or practices they disagree with.

Apologies for the length but, unlike Digital Spy Forums, there appears to be no 'spoiler' function to restrict text to those who wish to see it, by clicking on the spoiler button. (Perhaps this could be considered by the moderators? It's a way of getting information in the thread but taking up far less space.)

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The ‘Newsnight Crisis’ at the BBC: A new timeline from the death of Savile to the appointment of Hall.

Posted on November 22, 2012

Introduction
Tony Hall is an excellent appointment as the new Director-General of the BBC. Before Tony takes up the post in March Nick Pollard will have published his review commissioned by the BBC to consider ‘whether any inappropriate managerial pressure or consideration may have the influenced the decision of the Editor of Newsnight’ after his programme’s investigation into Jimmy Savile.
I have produced a new timeline which starts at a much earlier date than my previous one and has more detail, plus links to video, audio and transcripts.
It runs from the death of Savile to the appointment of Tony Hall and looks at many issues not within Nick Pollard’s terms of reference.
Consider it my contribution to the BBC ‘moving on’. I hope this blogpost will be a useful resource for those interested in what most people now accept has been the BBC’s biggest crisis of trust.
The post has been put together with the help of three students on the post-graduate course in investigative journalism here at City University London. My thanks to Camilla Turner, Dan Martin and Margi Murphy for giving up some of their spare time to help. I remain responsible for any errors or omissions and if you think you see any please reply via this blog or email me at [email protected] Please note my declarations of interest in the ‘About’ section of the blog.

In the timeline I offer commentary at certain key points but I do not come to any conclusions about whether pressure was put on the Editor of Newsnight to drop the Savile investigation.

The Pollard review has the necessary access to internal BBC emails and to evidence from the key players themselves to make a decision about that. But in advance of the publication of the Pollard review I am able to highlight certain issues.

By beginning the timeline at the death of Savile and the Newsnight investigation into the allegations against him it becomes clear to me how many times what the Newsnight journalists discovered about Savile was put to BBC management over the following nine months, and how many missed opportunities there were for the management to take some positive follow-up action. Instead the management, primarily focused on denying allegations of improper pressure on the Editor, sought to limit the damage to the BBC’s reputation by being economical with the truth about the nature of the original investigation and missed the seriousness of the core allegations about what had happened on their premises.

Even as late as two days before the ITV programme in October this year it was still saying that it was ‘simply not possible for the corporation to take any further action.’

By extending the end of the timeline to include the Newsnight report on allegations of child abuse in North Wales against an unnamed Conservative from the Thatcher era, it becomes clear that warnings were missed by the editorial and legal team before transmission that if they contacted Lord McAlpine, he would strongly deny the allegations.

Here’s a summary of four of the new points in this timeline:

1. When, on 22 October 2012, the BBC corrected three mistakes in Peter Rippon’s blog on 2 October 2012 they did not correct what appears to me to be the most serious mistake in the blog and it remains uncorrected on the BBC website.

In the blog Rippon posed the question: ‘Why did I pursue this story about Jimmy Savile and why did I drop it?

He then wrote: ‘I decided we should pursue the story because of the nature of the allegations and because the key witness told us the police had investigated the claims but the case had been dropped on the grounds he was too old’. The ‘he’ is Savile.

I can see no evidence to support the statement ‘the key witness told us the police had investigated the claims but the case had been dropped on the grounds he was too old’.

In the blog Peter Rippon never named ‘the key witness’ but I believe there is little doubt who the key witness in the Newsnight investigation was. It was Karin Ward, whose allegations against Savile were an important starting point of the investigation and who was the only victim who had gone on camera and agreed to be named.

I have confirmed that Karin Ward had no contact with the police about Savile until she went to them following her appearance on the ITV programme Exposure which was broadcast in October 2012, nearly a year after the Newsnight investigation. So it is not possible that she passed on to Newsnight, during their investigation into Savile, any information she received from the police because at that time she hadn’t even met the police. It is possible that from her contact with other former colleagues at the Duncroft Approved School she heard reports of a police investigation but I can find no evidence that she ever told Newsnight about them. The only explanation I can offer for Rippon’s claim is that Newsnight had talked to one other woman, not interviewed on camera, and not a key witness who told them at one point that she knew of a letter from the Surrey police citing Savile’s age .It has subsequently been established by The Mail that no such letter existed.

2. The BBCs public position that the Newsnight investigation was into the handling of the allegations against Savile by the Surrey Police and the Crown Prosecution did not originate, as many people assume, from the time of the ITV documentary in October this year but goes as far back as December last year.

The Newsnight reporter Liz MacKean has given a very different description of the genesis of her investigation: ‘The story we were investigating was very clear cut. It was about Jimmy Savile being a paedophile and using his status as a charity fundraiser and television presenter to get access to places where there were vulnerable teenage girls he could abuse.’

The BBC has corrected a statement by one executive that the Newsnight investigation ‘started’ as one into the Surrey Police’s handling of the case (the same executive also said that the investigation was ‘never into Savile himself’) but it has never withdrawn its basic ‘it was an investigation into the Surrey Police/CPS’ version.

The Pollard review should be able to decide from access to internal emails and draft scripts whether the BBC‘s corporate and much-repeated position is an accurate description of the investigation or whether the public has been deliberately or accidentally misled.

3. I have established that there are at least ten days when Mark Thompson was the Director-General of the BBC, on which that it is reasonable to expect that his office at the BBC would have received information about allegations of Savile assaulting women on BBC premises in the form of either press cuttings, emails from inside or outside the BBC or phone calls from journalists. I list those days at the end of the timeline. Mark Thompson has said ‘During my time as director general of the BBC, I never heard any allegations or received any complaints about Jimmy Savile.’ The Pollard review may be able to cast more light on this.

4. A lack of clarity persists about what exactly was said in the ‘ten second conversation’ between Helen Boaden and George Entwistle about Savile at the Women in Film and Television lunch in London on 2nd December. There is a new twist with the discovery that Peter Rippon was also present at this lunch so would have been available to give Boaden and Entwistle his latest thoughts had they asked him..

I have sent invitations to respond to these points to the BBC,Mark Thompson at the New York Times and Peter Rippon.

So far the BBC has not responded.

A spokesman for Mark Thompson has told me that Mark won’t be making any further comment beyond what he has already said on the record about his involvement in this case.

The spokesman recalled that Mark Thompson has said in the past:

*He was not briefed on the press stories which I highlighted, and the head of his office, by her own admission, did not raise with him Miles Goslett’s telephone call in May.
*He gave verbal assent to a legal letter being sent to the Sunday Times to deny in the strongest of terms the central allegation that he put pressure on Newsnight to abandon the Jimmy Savile investigation.
*He was not briefed or made aware of the underlying allegations at this point. He only became aware of the underlying allegations once he left office, in the few days in advance of the transmission of the ITV documentary.
The solicitor representing Peter Rippon told me ‘My client is unable to make a public statement at this time’.

The Timeline

29 October 2011
Sir Jimmy Savile, Order of the British Empire, Knight Commander of the Order of Saint Gregory the Great, Honorary Doctor of Law, Honorary Doctor of Arts, Honorary Fellow of the Royal College of Radiologists, Freeman of the Borough of Scarborough, dies aged 84.

News of Savile’s death is a national story and the BBC website publishes a full report looking back on his life. There is also a video report by Nick Higham which concludes: ‘In the end he was simply a puzzle, perhaps a profoundly lonely man who craved attention but found consolation in doing good’.
Mark Thompson, Director-General of the BBC, issues a statement: ‘I am very sad to hear of Sir Jimmy Savile’s death. From Top of the Pops to Jim’ll Fix It, Jimmy’s unique style entertained generations of BBC audiences. Like millions of viewers and listeners we shall miss him greatly’.

31 October 2011
Newsnight producer Meirion Jones has been gathering information about Savile for some time. His aunt, Margaret Jones, was the headmistress of the Duncroft Approved School for Girls in Surrey for two decades. Savile regularly visited this school. At this stage there is no public knowledge of any police inquiry into Savile’s activities at the school or anywhere else

On 31 October Jones pitches the Savile story to the Editor of Newsnight, Peter Rippon. He shows Rippon what Karin Ward, a former pupil at Duncroft, has written online about her abuse by somebody described as a cigar-smoking celebrity with his own BBC programme. She refers to him online as ‘JS.’ Jones is given the go-ahead by Rippon to do more work on the story with reporter Liz MacKean.

Jones and MacKean arrange an interview with Karin Ward about her time at Duncroft. As they develop their investigations they get the first indications that the police may have looked into similar allegations and that victims may have letters from the police.

11 November 2011
As ‘a special tribute to Sir Jimmy Savile’ BBC One transmits a documentary about him called As It Happened, narrated by Chris Evans. This is the first of four different tribute programmes that are to be transmitted by the BBC before the end of 2011.

Watch the programme on Youtube here

14 November
Liz MacKean interviews Karin Ward on camera. Karin Ward says: ‘I can remember seeing him [Gary Glitter] having sex with one of the girls from Duncroft, in Jimmy Savile’s dressing room.’ She said the room was ‘packed’ with people and Savile, who was present when the abuse was taking place, ‘laughed about it.’

Glitter denies the claims.

Watch the Panorama programme

As Liz MacKean and the team drive back to base they hear that the BBC has announced its most high profile tribute to Savile – a Christmas one-off edition of Jim’ll Fix It. The BBC News website says: ‘The special will be hosted by EastEnders star Shane Ritchie who has called it ‘compulsive television.’ BBC One controller Danny Cohen said: ‘I think it will be a great tribute to Jimmy to recreate his famous show as a Christmas treat for audiences.’

The Newsnight team conclude that if their investigation proves that Savile was a paedophile the tribute will not be able to go ahead. They continue their work and discover recordings of old Clunk-Click programmes that have survived with significant sequences featuring Savile.

15 November – 25 November 2011
The Newsnight team continue their investigation. They find three other victims who tell similar stories of abuse to Karin Ward but unlike her are not prepared to be interviewed on camera. They also speak to six other witnesses. Mark Williams-Thomas, a former police officer specialising in investigating child abuse, is working with the Newsnight team partly to improve their links with the police. Newsnight learn that the police had investigated Savile in 2007 based on historic allegations of indecent assault which took place at the children’s home in Staines during the 1970s. The police say that at the time, they had interviewed some of the girls involved. This corroborates with evidence Newsnight already had from girls who said they had been to the police about Savile.

Newsnight learn that the police had taken the allegations against Savile seriously enough to hand the file over to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS). However, the CPS advised that there was insufficient evidence to take any further action.

The Newsnight team also discover that there have been complaints about Savile to police forces in a number of other areas. But as there is no national police pooling of this information, no bigger picture has yet emerged.
The fact that the police had investigated Savile, and passed the case to the CPS, is regarded as crucial evidence by the Newsnight team, as it shows that the case was at one point being treated as a serious investigation.

25 November 2011
After being informed that the Surrey police questioned Savile over sex abuse claims , Rippon gives the programme the green light. He emails the Newsnight team: ‘Excellent, we can then pull together the tx [transmission] plan.’

29 November 2011
A draft script for Newsnight’s Savile report is prepared. It is sent to a BBC lawyer and to Peter Rippon. The script or a summary of it is shown it to the BBC News ‘Impact Team’. Their role is to make sure that when one part of the BBC breaks a story other parts know about it and can pick it up. The ‘impact team’ believe the story of abuse by Savile is going to be big. An internal email says there will be ‘a huge amount of interest’ in Newsnight‘s film and “all domestic outlets would want to run it”.
On the same day the launch of the Christmas schedule is happening and with it the publication, internally and externally, of the full Christmas schedule containing the Savile tribute programming.

30 November 2011
The day after the launch of the schedule Rippon has an ‘abrupt’ change of heart over the planned programme, according to Newsnight reporter Liz MacKean. She sends an email to a friend:

‘PR [Peter Rippon] says if the bosses aren’t happy… [he] can’t go to the wall on this one.’ This is the first indication that Rippon may have discussed the investigation with more senior BBC executives. This may also have been the process in which Director of BBC News Helen Boaden tells Rippon ‘just because Jimmy Savile was dead, it didn’t mean there could be any skimping in journalistic standards, and that the usual BBC standards would apply’ (as later revealed to the Commons CMS Committee by George Entwistle.)
Rippon sends an email to Newsnight producer Meirion Jones:

‘Having pondered this overnight I think the key is whether we can establish the CPS did drop the case for the reasons the women say. That makes it a better story – our sources so far are just the women and a second-hand briefing.’

Commentary: Rippon’s reference to ‘the reasons the women say’ is significant. TheNewsnight team had been told by reliable sources that the CPS did not prosecute because of lack of evidence. But one of the women Newsnight have talked to off camera, identified only as ‘Fiona’, says she has a letter from the Surrey Police saying that they did not prosecute Savile because he was too old. Rippon seems to attach importance to this. Liz MacKean emails the woman saying they need the letter. Jones himself attaches less importance to it and is not entirely sure the letter even exists. In any case no such letter is ever received by Newsnight.

1 December 2011
Rippon emails Meirion Jones, the Newsnight producer. The email is titled ‘Cops’. It says:
‘I assume still no word? I think we should stop working on the other elements until we know for sure what we are likely to get from them because we don’t really have a strong enough story without it. I’ll pull editing etc for now.’
This appears to be Rippon wanting to hear what the Crown Prosecution Service Press Office has got to say. This also appears to be his priority in the story.
Although Rippon says he will ‘pull editing etc for now’ Jones and the team continue filming and preparing the edit of the Savile piece as an argument develops between Jones and Rippon over the next few days .

2 December 2011
BBC director of news Helen Boaden is said to have told George Entwistle, then director of BBC Vision in a at a Women in Television and Film lunch that he may have to change the Christmas schedules because of the Newsnight investigation.
Entwistle later tells the Commons Committee on 23 October 2012 that he recalled the conversation Helen Boaden in which she told him that Newsnight was investigating sex abuse allegations about the DJ. Entwistle said the conversation lasted ‘about 10 seconds’ and added that it was ‘a busy lunch’. Entwistle told the Commons Committee that the conversation ‘was words to the effect, “Newsnight are looking at Jimmy Savile. When it is clear if it is going to go ahead or not and whether it stands up, it may have implications for your schedule”.’
I have established that Peter Rippon was also present at this lunch and therefore would have been available to give Boaden his latest view of the investigation.

Commentary: This is an absolutely key moment and one which remains very opaque. Looking at this day in the timeline, Rippon has already decided that ‘we don’t really have a strong enough story’ and has ‘pulled editing for now’ but the team are still working on the story. So the BBC investigation will have to ascertain was Helen Boaden’s motive in raising the issue of the Savile investigation be to alert him to the potential problem for his schedule or to reassure him the problem was under control? And did Boaden speak to Rippon at the lunch to get the latest update before she spoke to Entwistle?

5 December 2011
Half way through a scheduled edit day the Newsnight team are told to stop editing the Savile piece.

7 December 2011
Newsnight producer Meirion Jones emails Rippon to warn of ‘substantial damage to BBC reputation’ if the investigation is dropped.
Peter Rippon emails Meirion Jones ‘We are putting the cart well before the horse here.We have been looking into the story but it is far from clear it will ever be strong enough even for us to run it’.
BBC publicist Helen Deller, who is apparently unaware of Rippon’s decision, sends a ‘confidential’ email to him and Meirion Jones. She writes ‘Last time I talked with you and Meirion you were focusing on allegations of abuse with victims willing to speak on the record.’ The email reveals that the investigation was advanced enough for the press office to have prepared ’lines to take’ in response to expected media calls. Helen Deller writes that ‘we may well need to do a bit of managing around this’ and that ‘we should bear in mind how the BBC complaints team respond’.

9 December 2011
Crown Prosecution Service tells Newsnight that the reason it did not prosecute Savile was because of lack of evidence, not because he was too old and frail. In the light of this information, Rippon decides to end the investigation.

19 December 2011
Special edition of Jim’ll Fix It is recorded for transmission the following week

20 December 2011
BBC correspondent Caroline Hawley speaks to Mark Thompson about the investigation at a reception to mark the BBC’s coverage of the Arab Spring and mentions Newsnight’sinvestigation into Jimmy Savile.’
When Thompson later sought reassurances from BBC news editor Helen Boaden it is said he was told there would be no problem and ‘nobody said there was an allegation of sex abuse on BBC premises.’

21 December 2011
A freelance journalist Miles Goslett phones the BBC Press Office to check out a tip-off about a Newsnight investigation into Jimmy Savile being called off. Among a series of points he puts to the BBC press office is that Newsnight has heard claims that Savile abused minors on BBC premises in the 1970s. He talks to Helen Deller the BBC publicist who knew from her earlier work that Newsnight had been, in her own words in that e-mail of 7 December, ‘focusing on allegations of abuse with victims willing to speak on the record’.
Commentary: This is another key moment in the timeline. One BBC tribute to Savile has already gone out, three more are scheduled to go out in the next few days including one on Christmas Day and one on Boxing Day. A BBC publicist who knows the background answers a call out of the blue which reveals that somebody outside the BBC now knows that the Newsnight investigation was about Savile at the BBC and that the investigation was stopped. She also knows that the freelance reporter wants to write a story for a national newspaper. Who she spoke to or emailed next and how they decided what to do could turn out to be interesting. One way of the BBC Press team establishing the correct picture at that time would have been to check the draft script of the abandoned item.

Later in the day Helen Deller emails Goslett to say that rather than keeping him hanging on ‘I will come back to you tomorrow morning.’

22 December 2011
Helen Deller deploys a technique used by many press offices. In an email she gives an official BBC statement on the record but in a phone call offers ‘background’ information which traditionally will be attributed not directly to the BBC but to a ‘BBC source’ or a ‘BBC aide’.

The official BBC statement comes in an email to Miles Goslett: ‘The BBC gathers information on hundreds of stories and not all make it to air. In this case the angle we were pursuing could not be substantiated.’

This statement does not say what ‘the angle we were pursuing’ is. But the ‘background info’ given in an earlier phone call was – according to a note which Goslett made at the time – that the story Newsnight had been investigating related to why the Crown Prosecution Service had dropped its inquiry into Savile, as opposed to Newsnightinvestigating claims that Savile was a paedophile per se. According to Goslett’s note, Helen Deller said that Newsnight had heard the CPS had dropped the case because of Savile’s age and celebrity. Deller said that having failed to secure the truth of this claim – because the CPS had denied this and told Newsnight that it had merely dropped the case through lack of evidence - Newsnight had abandoned the project.

A sceptical Goslett still believes that whatever the reason for dropping the Newsnightreport there is an uncomfortable fit between the forthcoming BBC tributes to Savile and what the women have told Newsnight about Savile. He says he pitched that story to seven newspapers but was unable to get an article published in any of them in December 2011.

The BBC strategy for dealing with Goslett has been decided and implemented. The next month it will be deployed again with a different reporter (see 8 January)

25 December 2011 (Christmas Day)
BBC Radio Two transmits its tribute programme ‘Sir Jimmy Savile-in his Own Words’ at 9pm.

26 December 2011 (Boxing Day)
BBC One transmits a special edition of Jim’ll Fix It at 5.40pm.

28 December 2011
BBC Two transmits another tribute programme How’s About that Then at 7pm.

BBC Two also re-transmits the first tribute programme As it Happened at 11.30pm.

presidentgas
24-11-2012, 08:54 PM
I hope this is on topic to a certain extent. Has anyone heard of:
The Demonic Connection: An investigation into Satanism in England and the International Black magic Conspiracy

it was a account of the supposed coven operating around the , Clapham, Steyning, Bramber rape areas in Sussex.

The Demonic Connection was published in 1987, so way before DI theories on who or what was controlling the country.

One of the more interesting chapters concerned some mysterious Deaths. Two were particularly interesting. Police constable Peter Goldsmith, a 6 foot 6 inch former marine, and The Reverend Harry Neil Snelling, ex priest of Clapham.

PC Goldsmith was at the coroners office when they were dealing with a Girls body found on the Downs. Supposedly he made a mysterious statement to a colleague.
'All those suicides and sudden Deaths come back to me and make me sick. I will never do it again.' He disappeared in 1972 and his body was discovered hidden in a bramble bush 6 months later In Pepperscombe. Was he looking into this girls death. No records of the girl exist by the way.

The Reverend Snelling disappeared while walking home on the South Downs, on 31st October 1978- All Hallows Eve. Although funnily enough that date was strangely flexible in the mainstream press. His Skeleton was found on MOD land 3years later by a Canadian Hiker named Michael Raine, who posted the Worthing police the Reverends wallet, and a roughly drawn map of the bodies location. The Canadian tourist had left the country. Strange that. the body was found in the woods at Wiston.

OK this is the interesting fact The locations of the bodies were very near a place called Wiston House. A certain group meet there, called, The Wilton Park Conference. Those taking part are 'people who have been to the conference before and who are about five years short of the top, that is those who may now have become Prime Ministers and top businessmen in their own countries and who consequently count as regards British prestige abroad.'

Here is their own website:
http://www.wiltonpark.org.uk/en/about-wilton-park/wilton-park-history/wilton-park-history-2

This quote from the above should make everyone's spidey sense tingle.

"While the geographic scope has been widened, the focus on Europe has remained undiminished. Following Britain's entry into what is now the European Union in 1973, Prime Minister Edward Heath, a strong supporter of Wilton Park, and the French President, Georges Pompidou, agreed that issues concerning the enlargement of the community should be addressed at a European Discussion Centre (EDC) based at Wilton Park. The spirit of the EDC continues as part of Wilton Park's European agenda."

here is a nice collation of attendees:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiltonpark/sets/72157627609462487/

Recognise anybody.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6162/6210198367_d2d9b2058a.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6158/6195577116_5299414a77.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6010/6195061231_514553c2d4.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6159/6197558205_0c9a97c7ab.jpg

Funnily enough William Hague was there very recently, talking about the crime of conflict rape. Strange he wasn't overly concerned with the width of the remit of the Waterhouse enquiry, and how photographic evidence of child rape was destroyed by the enquiry.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/latest-news/?view=News&id=835099382

I think this place stinks, and is probably worth investigating. You have unexplained deaths, rumours of dark ritual activity and a centre for World power brokers.

I read that book in 1989, and am familiar with the areas in it, Wiston House, Clapham Woods, etc, and lived in the area at the time of the Reverends death, as well as a number of other strange goings on. UFOs, disappearing racehorses. Arundel nearby is another creepy place as well. There have been rumours of dark ritual activity there as well.

electric_lady
24-11-2012, 08:55 PM
That's interesting what you've said about Heather Mills, electric lady. I recall she got a bit of stick on a lot of forums at the time of her separation from Paul McCartney. Do you have a link or recall what it was she said?

People never liked her before the acrimonious split. She really fits the bill in terms of stereotypes of women who end up in abusive relationships. She had an abusive childhood, which would predispose her to being attracted to abusive men. Then there were the things she accused Macca of doing, one of which was him forbidding her to breastfeed - because he said those were "his breasts" i.e. belonged to him. The attitude of (a) entitlement and of his (b) feeling that she was his possession really make him sound like a typical narcissistic style abuser. Narcissists also tend to be attracted to vulnerable women as they are easier to abuse. His first wife was rather passive / submissive. Maybe he thought Heather, with her hard-luck life story and disability would be easy to keep in her place, too.

Below is a link to the episode of "Shrink Rap" she appeared on, with Pamela Stevenson / Connolly doing the interviewing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQLYlYpFSb0

welshwitch
24-11-2012, 08:55 PM
RE Thentherewere4 - Ok this is the Sunday People - but it was published

MI6 Warned Prince Charles Off Sathya Sai Baba, ‘Sunday People’(UK) Says

Posted by Barry Pittard on July 4, 2010

Paedophile Guru in bid to snare Charles Sunday People U.K. – March 12, 2001

MI6 are probing bizarre sect’s link with the Royals

A PERVERT guru who believes he can sexually abuse young boys because he is GOD has tried to lure Prince Charles into his sinister religious sect. He has enlisted some of the Prince’s closest associates in his move – and the future King has admitted he has considered meeting the swami. Yet we can reveal the FBI and police forces round the world and even a senior UN organisation are already investigating millionaire mystic Sai Baba over scores of alleged sex and other crimes. Now MI6 are probing his bizarre movement’s links with Buckingham Palace.

Pot-bellied

For, the Sunday People can reveal, he planned to increase his worldwide influence by converting Charles into one of his millions of followers. The tiny pot-bellied holy man – who wears orange frocks and sports a 70s-style Afro hairdo – enlisted the help of one of the prince’s most-trusted advisors. He hoped that architect Professor Keith Critchlow would be able to persuade Charles to visit his temple, or “ashram”, in southern India.

Amazingly, we have obtained a copy of a letter which Charles wrote to another of Baba’s high-powered disciples within royal circles. In it, he says: “Keith (Critchlow) has often told me about Sai Baba and the effect he has had on many people and it is wonderful to know of the difference he has made to your life. “Perhaps I will be able to meet him one day when the time is right.”

The letter is signed: “Yours most sincerely, Charles.”

At the time, the prince was unaware that Sai Baba was being investigated for sex crimes. Nor did he know that there were also allegations of fraud and widespread financial corruption. UNESCO has also withdrawn support for a conference they were going to co-organise with Sai Baba. And the Foreign Office is now warning British travellers to India to be wary of the group. A senior legal figure linked to Sai Baba’s victims discovered the guru’s plan to target the prince and alerted M16. Sai Baba, the son of a humble peasant farmer, has a massive worldwide following, including at least 40,000 supporters in the UK.

Millions of families with children flock to his luxurious temple, near Bangalore in southern India, to pay homage. But to gain respectability for his movement, Sai Baba has deliberately set out to target showbiz stars, leading politicians, and royals as VIP supporters. Among them is 70-year-old Animal Hospital presenter and children’s favourite Rolf Harris. He claimed the guru’s teachings had transformed his life and played his famous didgeridoo on a fund-raising CD of mystic chants. Another disciple is British blues singer Dana Gillespie. But Sai Baba’s biggest dream was to ensnare a member of the British Royal Family.

Concert pianist David Bailey, who got involved with the movement during the early 90s, told how he and Prof Critchlow held several meetings in India with the guru. And one time Critchlow asked him: “Isn’t it time for me to bring Prince Charles out to see you?”

Bailey said: “The organisation loved to get celebrities in the fold. They were invited to Baba’s birthday parties. “At the time I was completely besotted and like other devotees thought I’d win brownie points by recruiting influential people.”

Brainwashing

Bailey even tried to “hook” Prince Andrew and Fergie before their marriage broke up. He said: “I had been asked to organise an evening of music at their home and, to put it bluntly, planned to start brainwashing them. “But the evening was cancelled at the last minute.” Fergie did later pay Sai Baba a private visit in 1997 on the recommendation of a stress counsellor following her marriage break-up. The guru likes to amaze followers by passing off cheap conjuring tricks as “miracles” and producing watches and jewellery out of thin air. And he astonished Fergie by making the bangle appear apparently from nowhere.

Bailey finally turned his back on the sect after learning the disgusting truth about Sai Baba’s sexual perversions. He has spent the last two years exposing the bogus holy man, who likes to rub oil into boys’ genitals claiming it helps release their sexual tension. Bailey, who once worked as a music teacher at the Indian temple, explained: “To my horror, I found out he was a homosexual paedophile.” Now every attempt is being made to ensure Sai Baba is kept away from Charles and other royals.

neilvw
24-11-2012, 09:00 PM
8 January 2012
The Sunday Mirror publishes the first story in a national newspaper about Newsnight and Savile.

The headline says: ‘BBC axe investigation into Sir Jimmy Savile and schoolgirls. Reporters investigated historic allegations about inappropriate behaviour of Jim’ll Fix Itlegend’.

The story by Nick Owens begins: ‘The BBC launched a two-month probe into sex claims against its own iconic presenter Sir Jimmy Savile… only for it to be axed by executives. Reporters investigated historic allegations about inappropriate behaviour relating to theJim’ll Fix It legend. Bosses of flagship BBC2 show Newsnight launched the investigation into Sir Jimmy in the days after his death on October 29. But they were eventually ¬ordered to scrap the report, which had been due on screen only days before a BBC One Christmas special celebrating the star’s work’.

‘A spokesman’ is quoted as saying: ‘The BBC gathers ¬information on hundreds of stories and not all make it to air. In this case the angle we were pursuing could not be ¬substantiated.’

There is also a quote from a ‘BBC aide’ –one of the terms used when the BBC gives information on a ’background basis’ – saying ‘Newsnight were investigating an alleged failing within the CPS and the programme was canned because they did not have enough proof to run the story’.
This is the first time the story appears and the first time that the BBC ‘line’ appears in print. Although the BBC gave the line to Goslett he wasn’t able to get his story published in a national newspaper.
The Sunday Mirror also has quotes from the Surrey Police and the CPS but there is no mention of the allegations being about assaults by Savile on young women while on BBC premises or that under-age girls were among the victims. The story also does not mention that Savile had been questioned by Surrey Police .

9 January 2012
The BBC’s Press cuttings service sent to Mark Thompson’s office should have included the story in the Sunday Mirror from the previous day and follow up stories in that day’sMail and Sun.

16 January 2012
Freelance journalist Miles Goslett has not given up on the story and specifically on the angle so far unrevealed that some of the assaults were under-age girls and on BBC premises. He has had it turned down by seven papers but now gets a commission from the Oldie Magazine.

27 January 2012
The BBC says it is engaged in ‘sensible succession planning’ to replace the director general Mark Thompson. It follows newspaper speculation that he will leave the corporation towards the end of 2012, or the beginning of 2013. The chairman of the BBC Trust, Lord Patten, says that head-hunters had been appointed to search for Mr Thompson’s replacement. But the BBC insists there is no ‘immediate vacancy.’

29 January 2012
Second showing of BBC tribute to Savile How’s About that Then on BBC Two at 7pm.

8 February 2012
The Oldie magazine publishes Miles Goslett’s article which is the first to state thatNewsnight‘s expose centred on underage girls of 14 or 15; the first to reveal that some of the abuse allegedly occurred on BBC premises in 1973/4 after recordings of Clunk-Click; the first to divulge that two other celebrities had been named to Newsnight as also of abusing girls with Savile on BBC premises; the first to reveal that Savile had been questioned by Surrey Police in 2007; and the first to allege that Mark Thompson knew about this before Christmas but did nothing. It also warns that other victims were preparing to speak out on the issue.
Goslett also writes about Mark Thompson: ‘a source has told me that Thompson was tackled about the axing of the report at a pre-Christmas drinks party, so he cannot claim to be ignorant of it.’

9 February 2012
There is a follow-up to the Oldie story in the Guardian diary.

10 February 2012
There is a page lead story in the Telegraph quoting the Oldie article.

11 February 2012
The Mirror has a story.

12 February 2012
Another follow-up, this time a short one in the Independent on Sunday diary.

13 February 2012
Another story in the Telegraph.

19 March 2012
Mark Thompson resigns as Director-General of the BBC.
He says: ‘This morning I told Lord Patten that I believe that an appropriate time for me to hand over to a successor and to step down as director general of the BBC would be the autumn of this year, once the Olympics and the rest of the amazing summer of 2012 are over.’
The process of appointing a successor gets underway and it soon become clear that two of the internal front runners are George Entwistle and Helen Boaden, The other two are Director of Audio and Music, Tim Davie, and Chief Operating Officer, Caroline Thomson.

16 April 2012
Miles Goslett sends the BBC a Freedom of Information request. He asks for, amongst other things, details of exchanges between four BBC executives, including Mark Thompson, about Savile and the Newsnight investigation as well as details of any contact the BBC had had with the police over claims that Savile ‘sexually molested minors on BBC premises in the 1970s.’

18 May 2012
The BBC reply to Goslett’s FOI request:
‘We have interpreted your request as relating to BBC News. The information you have requested is excluded from the Act because it is held for the purposes of “journalism, art or literature.” The BBC is therefore not obliged to provide this information to you and will not be doing so on this occasion’
Goslett contacts Jessica Cecil, the head of Mark Thompson’s office, and, he says, asks to talk to Thompson about the FOI response and about claims made to Newsnight that underage girls were abused on BBC premises by Savile or others . He says Cecil tells him to talk to the BBC Press Office. Goslett says Cecil has since told him that she did not pass on the details of the call to Mark Thompson. Goslett says that she said that she spoke instead to Paul Mylrea, the BBC’s Director of Communications. His job description says that he is is ‘responsible for all communications at the BBC’ and ‘provides strategic support and specialist communications advice to the Director-General and Executive Board’.
Goslett says he has since spoken to Paul Mylrea who confirms that Jessica Cecil did talk to him about her conversation with Miles Goslett. Goslett says Mylrea told him he was only made aware by Cecil of Goslett’s complaint about the way the FOI request had been handled and was not informed about the mention of allegations of Savile’s assaults on under-age girls on BBC premises and that he did not pass on any mention of the call to Mark Thompson.
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4 July 2012
The Chairman of the BBC Trust, Lord Patten, announces that George Entwistle has beenappointed to succeed Mark Thompson as director general of the BBC, a post which he will take up in September on a salary of £450,000 per year.

5 August 2012
The Sunday Mirror runs a story saying that a forthcoming ITV programme will name Jimmy Savile as a paedophile and say he assaulted underage girls on BBC premises.
A similar story appears in The Mail on Sunday.

6 August 2012
There are follow-ups in The Mirror and The Mail.

14 August 2012
Mark Thompson is appointed CEO of The New York Times. He will take up the job in November.

22 August 2012
Miles Goslett is now working on the story for the Sunday Times Magazine in collaboration with a senior editor on the magazine and its legal department. The Sunday Times sends a series of questions to the BBC’s Press and Communications team about allegations of Savile’s sexual assaults on under age-girls on BBC premises, the dropped Newsnightinvestigation, and what role Mark Thompson and Helen Boaden had in the decision.

29 August 2012
James Hardy, ‘Director of Communications for BBC journalism’ replies to the Sunday Times.
(The BBC Website says of his role: ‘Like any major corporation the BBC has to protect and secure its reputation and manage how it is presented in the media’.)
Hardy repeats the BBC position that ‘the angle we were pursuing could not be substantiated’ and that there was no internal pressure to drop the story. He also says that he is alerting the BBC Litigation Department to ‘unsubstantiated allegations’ made against Thompson and Boaden in the Sunday Times email ‘which should not be published’.

3 September 2012
Mark Thompson returns to his office after a holiday in America.

6 September 2012
A letter is sent by solicitors Mills and Reeve to The Sunday Times threatening legal action on behalf of Mark Thompson if they print certain allegations. The letter, which mentions allegations that Savile committed sexual offences on BBC premises, should have been copied to Thompson or at least to his office.
The Sunday Times doesn’t publish anything in that week’s edition or indeed in that month. But on 11 November they reveal the existence of the solicitor’s letter.

7 September 2012
The ITV programme makers at Exposure send an e-mail to BBC Press and Media Relations, attaching a letter to the BBC Director-General. Under Ofcom’s rules a person or company who is the subject of an investigation such as this should be invited to contribute and ‘be told the nature and purpose of the programme, what the programme is about and be given a clear explanation of why they were asked to contribute and when (if known) and where it is likely to be first broadcast’.
They must also ‘be informed about the areas of questioning and, wherever possible, the nature of other likely contributions’.
The ITV letter attached to the e-mail does this. It tells the BBC that the programme will be about the alleged abuse by Savile of girls invited to BBC shows, and that it is scheduled to be transmitted in 26 days time, on 3 October.
It sets out what the programme team has discovered about five different programme strands in which Savile had appeared, and it lists the evidence gathered from those who were allegedly abused.
The letter then raises the issue of the Newsnight investigation, which had been terminated by the editor of the programme. It also tells the BBC that Exposure has interviewed Esther Rantzen who, after seeing the evidence gathered by the programme, has said on camera that she now believes that Savile was a paedophile.
The Exposure team then sets out six questions for the BBC to answer, including:
* What was known at the BBC about what Savile had been up to.
* What their child protection policies had been.
* Why the Newsnight item had been dropped.
It invites the BBC to put forward a representative to answer these questions.
The BBC has since said that its Press and Media Relations team forwarded the email and letter to the BBC legal team, to the BBC Editorial Policy Department and to the Director-General’s office –believed to be a total of 12 people. ITV addressed the letter to George Entwistle believing him to have taken up the role of DG, but in fact Mark Thompson is still in the post, so the BBC Press Office sent a copy to his office.
Freelance reporter Miles Goslett, who first got the BBC to confirm that the email (including attached letter to the DG) from ITV arrived on September 7th, says the BBC also confirmed to him that the documents were forwarded to, amongst others, George Entwistle and Helen Boaden.
On 7 September the significance of this email and letter will surely not have been lost on those who read them at the BBC. Their largest competitor for mass television audiences, ITV, is giving them nearly a month’s notice that it will be transmitting a programme that will be seen by many millions of people, and will be bound to attract much press attention. It will allege that a star who was very much of the BBC’s own making, and had been honoured after his death with tribute programming, was a serial sexual abuser of children on BBC premises. It will inevitably raise questions about the BBC’s own investigation into Savile – especially in the light of the decision to drop Newsnight’s investigation and go ahead with the tribute programming.

8 September 2012
Mark Thompson and Chris Patten meet at a BBC reception at the Royal Albert Hall for the BBC’s guests at the Last Night of the Proms. Although this is the end of a week in which Mark Thompson’s lawyers have threatened to sue the Sunday Times and ITV have given the BBC notice of their forthcoming allegations, according to the two men’s published version of events neither of them will have known at this point that both communications mention assaults by Savile on BBC premises.

16 September 2012
Mark Thompson’s last day as Director-General of the BBC.

17 September 2012
George Entwistle’s first day as Director-General of the BBC.He says he is ‘the right man for the job’ and will put programme makers and ‘outstanding creative originality’ at the heart of the organisation.

18 September 2012
BBC Chief Operating Officer, Caroline Thomson, having failed to get the DG job, announces her departure from the BBC at the end of the month. A BBC statement says ‘The move follows confirmation by the BBC’s new Director-General, George Entwistle, that he is closing the post of Chief Operating Officer as part of the restructure of his senior team’. It later transpires that Caroline Thompson was prepared to stay on longer as part of a transition but was not required.
Entwistle also changes the top management structure replacing a 25 strong Direction Group with a new Management Board of 12. Director of Communications Paul Mylrea no longer has a seat at the top table.
Entwistle makes his first speech to BBC staff as their new DG and says ‘My good fortune is to inherit from Mark Thompson an organisation in robust health’

21 September 2012
The BBC sends a reply to ITV’s letter. It says it will not be putting anybody forward to answer the questions posed by the ITV programme-makers. The BBC explains that it has conducted an extensive search of the files, but no evidence has been found of misconduct by Savile. The statement continues:
‘Whilst the BBC condemns any behaviour of the type alleged in the strongest terms, in the absence of evidence of any kind found at the BBC that corroborates the allegations that have been made it is simply not possible for the corporation to take any action’
Responding to ITV’s question about the Newsnight item the BBC say this was not shown ‘for editorial reasons.’ Their statement also says: ‘Newsnight was pursuing a particular angle relating to the CPS/Police which they were unable to substantiate and which therefore was not broadcast.’

28 September 2012
The London Evening Standard publishes a report about what ITV will transmit the following Wednesday. The headline is ‘Jimmy Savile sexually abused us as girls, 10 women tell TV exposé’. It quotes a ‘source who worked with the investigation team’ as saying that the programme contains ‘shocking material that really lifts the lid on the icon’ and “goes beyond anybody’s comprehension” of what Savile was capable of.’ The Standard recalls that ‘original plans to broadcast the allegations last December were dropped in favour of two shows celebrating Savile’s BBC career’. There is no mention of any BBC response.
(Lord Patten later says that this was the first time that he knew of the allegations)
A similar story, apparently partly based on the Standard story, appears in the Mail Onlinethat evening.

29 September 2012
A number of national newspapers report on the Saturday what the ITV programme will allege on the following Wednesday. The Guardian version includes the paragraph:
‘In a statement issued yesterday, the BBC said it had conducted extensive searches of its files to establish whether there was any record or allegation of misconduct by Savile during his time at the BBC but no such evidence had been found.
It said: ’While the BBC condemns any behaviour of the type alleged in the strongest terms, in the absence of evidence of any kind found at the BBC that corroborates the allegations that have been made it is simply not possible for the corporation to take any further action.’

30 September 2012
Most of the national papers preview the ITV allegations. It appears that the newspaper coverage over this weekend is the first time that the BBC Trust had formally heard about the allegations – three weeks to the day after the management was informed by ITV.
Those newspapers that quote the BBC use extracts from their statement released on the Friday. But the Sunday Times article also looks back at the Newsnight investigation, and they have a further quote from a BBC spokesman:
‘As has previously been documented, allegations against Jimmy Savile were investigated by Surrey police and a decision was taken not to pursue them…To allege that we are withholding evidence from the police is also damaging and false.’
The Sunday Telegraph quotes the Newsnight Editor, Peter Rippon, as saying:
‘It is absolutely untrue that the Newsnight investigation was dropped for anything other than editorial reasons.
‘We have been very clear from the start that the piece was not broadcast because the story we were pursuing could not be substantiated.
‘To say otherwise is false and very damaging to the BBC and individuals. The notion that internal pressure was applied appears to be a malicious rumour.’

1 October 2012
A third successive day of coverage across the national and regional press with reports of what ITV will broadcast. The BBC’s position remains, as quoted by The Telegraph, that ‘it was “simply not possible for the corporation to take any further action’.
A BBC statement says:
‘It is absolutely untrue that the Newsnight investigation was dropped for anything other than editorial reasons. We have been very clear from the start that the piece was not broadcast because the story we were pursuing could not be substantiated. To say otherwise is false and very damaging to the BBC and individuals. To allege that we are withholding evidence from the police is also damaging and false. The notion that internal pressure was applied appears to be a malicious rumour.’

2 October 2012
The BBC changes its statement to ITV. The Head of BBC Press and Media Relations, Julian Payne, emails ITV to say the BBC has ‘changed its statement’. Most significantly the ‘not possible to take any further action’ line has gone. Instead, for the first time, the BBC says there is something which it can do. It asks its own Investigations Unit to contact the police. The full public version of the statement reads:
‘A number of serious and disturbing allegations have been made over the past few days about the sexual abuse of teenage girls by Sir Jimmy Savile. Some of these allegations relate to activity on BBC premises in the 1960s and 70s. We are horrified by allegations that anything of this sort could have happened at the BBC – or have been carried out by anyone working for the BBC. They are allegations of a serious criminal nature which the police have the proper powers to investigate. So we have today asked the BBC Investigations Unit to make direct contact with all the police forces in receipt of allegations and offer to help them investigate these matters and provide full support to any lines of inquiry they wish to pursue. The BBC is working closely with the relevant police authorities. They have asked us to make clear that anyone affected by the issues raised in the ITV programme can contact the NSPCC Helpline on 0808 800 5000 or their local police force’.
Source (The BBC says this is the updated version of 4th October)
On the same day Peter Rippon publishes a blog on the BBC’s ‘The Editors site’. He denies that the investigation was dropped ‘for anything other than editorial reasons’. One part of the blog reads:
‘Why did I pursue this story about Jimmy Savile and why did I drop it? I decided we should pursue the story because of the nature of the allegations and because the key witness told us the police had investigated the claims but the case had been dropped on the grounds he was too old’.
He writes: ‘we had not established any institutional failure and I judged it weakened the story from a Newsnight perspective. I took the decision not to publish.’
The blog says three other things which are also to become significant later:
1. ‘We had no evidence that anyone from the Duncroft home could or should have known about the allegations’.
2. ‘We had no evidence against the BBC’.
3. ‘We are confident that all the women we spoke to had contacted the police independently already. We also had no new evidence against any other person that would have helped the police’.

3 October 2012
The producer of the Newsnight investigation, Meirion Jones, and the reporter, Liz McKean, email Peter Rippon and Steve Mitchell (Deputy Director of BBC News) pointing out that the blog is wrong.
On BBC Radio Four’s The Media Show, Steve Hewlett interviews the maker of the ITV documentary, Mark Williams-Thomas, and then turns to David Jordan, Director of BBC Editorial Policy and Standards.
Hewlett: ‘Why did Newsnight drop their story?’
Jordan: ‘I think there’s a slight misconception in something you said earlier Steve, which is what Newsnight’s investigation was actually about … There was an investigation by the Surrey Police in 2007 into the claims by people that they’d been subject to sexual assault by Jimmy Savile, and they looked into that; and we had an allegation made to Newsnightthat that investigation hadn’t been conducted properly, and had been dropped for wrong reasons; and the Newsnight investigation was into that investigation, as it were. It was never started out as an investigation into Jimmy Savile himself; it started off as an investigation into whether the Surrey Police had dropped allegations …’
Hewlett: ‘If you had prima facie evidence or serious allegations that this is what Jimmy Savile was up to, irrespective of what the Crown Prosecution Service decided to do, and given what we now know Newsnight might have found out if they had carried on, it should have been pursued shouldn’t it?
Jordan: ‘That all depends. That’s an editorial decision for the Editor of Newsnight or any Editor to make: what sort of story do they want to pursue? In this instance they wanted to pursue a story about how the allegations of assault had actually been handled by the Surrey Police.’
Hewlett also suggests to Jordan that the Newsnight team has more evidence than the Surrey police and asks if this evidence was passed to the police.
Jordan: ‘I’m not sure that Newsnight believed it had any more evidence than the Surrey Police actually had … because they were specifically focused – you might say wrongly. Had you been Editor you might have taken a different decision, but they were so clearly focused on the Surrey Police investigation that they didn’t follow up in more general terms and do what Mark has done, which is laudable, and find a lot of other people subjected to the same abuse.
ITV transmits Exposure –the other side of Jimmy Savile.

4 October 2012
Mark Williams -Thomas, former policeman who specialises in child abuse, puts Karin Ward in touch with Surrey police.
BBC Radio Four’s ‘Today’ Programme interviews David Jordan. He says it is ‘in the public interest’ for the allegations to have been transmitted by ITV. He is then asked by James Naughtie; ‘Well if it is true that it is in the public interest, surely it was in the public interest that Newsnight, which had much of the same evidence, should have broadcast it when it chose not to?’
David Jordan replies: ‘Well Newsnight looked at a particular aspect, they investigated a particular aspect of what was going on with Jimmy Savile, as indeed we now discover various other people had investigations into Jimmy Savile at various times. What they were looking at specifically was allegations that had been made to the Surrey Police in 2007, and they had themselves received an allegation that the investigation conducted by the Surrey Police in some way hadn’t been done properly. They looked into that allegation. Actually it turned out not to be true. It turned out that the Surrey police had done a professional job that you would expect of them, had delivered evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service and the Crown Prosecution Service had decided on the evidence that they had that they wouldn’t proceed with prosecutions.
Naughtie then puts it to him: ‘what you are saying, as far as I understand it from that is this, that Newsnight did not have access to accounts of alleged abuse which matched the severity of things that were said in the ITV documentary, it didn’t reach that pitch theNewsnight stuff, is that correct?’
Jordan: ‘I’m not sure it didn’t reach the pitch in some instances’
Naughtie: ‘Well surely it would have been right to broadcast it then?’
Jordan: ‘The thing is, what they decided to do – and this is a matter of judgement for the editor of Newsnight at the time – what they decided was that they hadn’t been able to bring their own investigation into what they had been interested in investigating … that they hadn’t been able to conclude that in the way that they thought they might do, they therefore dropped that investigation. Now he, the editor, decided that he didn’t want to pursue the general rumours and allegations about Jimmy Savile’s sexual conduct in the 60s and 70s for a variety of reasons which he spelled out on the blog that he has written, one of which was these things happened a long time ago, and that another one of which was that Sir Jimmy Savile was by that time dead so he thought the level of public interest in the sense that you describe it in pursuing it was less than you might have thought’.
Later that day David Jordan has a meeting with Meirion Jones .This meeting remains confidential until 24 October.

5 October 2012
BBC Director General George Entwistle sends an email to all staff ‘A message from George’. He says he is appalled by the things he saw in the ITV documentary and that the corporation will do absolutely everything it can to help find out what has happened. But he makes no mention of setting up any BBC inquiries, saying that ‘The police are the only people with the proper powers to assess criminal allegations, and they have made it clear to me that any BBC internal enquiry in parallel would run the risk of damaging or impeding their work.’
Of the Newsnight investigation he writes: ‘As is now well known, The BBC Newsnightprogramme investigated Surrey police’s enquiry into Jimmy Savile towards the end of 2011’
The Newsnight producer responsible for the Savile story, Meirion Jones, immediately sends an email to Entwistle:
‘George – one note – the investigation was into whether Jimmy Savile was a paedophile – I know because it was my investigation. We didn’t know that Surrey police had investigated Jimmy Savile – no one did – that was what we found when we investigated and interviewed his victims.’
The reporter Liz MacKean also sends an e-mail. Jones and MacKean are then asked by George Entwistle to meet Ken MacQuarrie, Director of BBC Scotland to discuss their concerns.This meeting happens on 9th October
David Jordan is interviewed by Samira Ahmed on the BBC News Channel programme ‘Newswatch’, repeated the next day on BBC1. He says again: ‘They [Newsnight] were investigating the Surrey Police investigation into Jimmy Savile and they discovered that Surrey Police had done a perfectly decent investigation into Jimmy Savile, had made recommendations to the CPS and then subsequently it had been dropped because of lack of evidence.

7 October 2012
The Prime Minister, David Cameron, tells Andrew Marr on BBC One:
‘I think it is pretty shocking, the allegations that we are reading. They need to be properly looked at, properly investigated.
‘It seems to me it is very important that the organisation, the BBC, does that itself.
‘But also, if there are questions that should be pursued by the police and other organisations, everyone has to ask themselves the question ‘Is there new evidence that needs to be looked at? Are there new things as an organisation we should look at and examine?’

8 October 2012
George Entwistle gives his first – and only – full interview on the Savile saga, to the BBCToday Programme in which he ‘deeply regrets’ the experiences of the abused women and to the Prime Minister’s point that the BBC should have its own inquiry alongside any police investigation. Entwistle replies that the police are the ‘only properly constituted authority for dealing with criminal investigations’. He says: ‘the BBC does not have the capacity to compel people who no longer work for it to give interviews. It does not have the capacity to secure evidence forensically’.

9 October 2012
At George Entwistle’s request Meirion Jones and Liz MacKean hold separate meetings with Ken MacQuarrie,Director of BBC Scotland who has been asked by Entwistle to find out from Jones and McKean what really happened.Liz MacKean has since said that at the end of her meeting with MacQuarrie he said he would be reporting back to Entwistle. Presumably MacQuarrie he did.
The police say they are now 120 separate lines of inquiry with 20-25 possible victims of Savile.

10 October 2012
The Chairman of the BBC Trust, Lord Patten, gives an interview about the Savile allegations to Steve Hewlett on Radio Four’s Media Show. He defends the BBC management on all counts. When asked if the BBC has been ‘flat-footed’ in its handling of the crisis he says that when he first took the job he was advised by some of his predecessors that one thing you shouldn’t do as Chairman is always act too hastily, ‘you shouldn’t always respond to the 87 questions you get asked at 9.30 in the evening with demands for answers by the end of the next 15 minutes’. He also says ‘the way we have acted since then has been entirely in line with the police advice’.
Of the BBC inquiry that will follow once there is ‘the green light from the police’, Lord Patten says the Director-General intends to set up an independent inquiry with terms of reference agreed by the Trust. When asked if those terms of reference will include the decisions over the Newsnight programme, he says ‘My own view is that I am very reluctant to question the journalistic integrity of the people involved in those decisions’.
As to what the Newsnight investigation was actually about, he says ‘the programme whichNewsnight was pursuing was, as you know because Peter Rippon has made this clear in his blog, it was largely directed at the behaviour of the police and whether the police had dropped allegations unfairly, and I think I am right in saying that they originally thought that the story was the dropping of the police investigation because of the identity of the person who was being identified’. Presumably Meirion Jones’s e-mail to George Entwistle has not been passed on to the BBC Trust.
As to when he became aware of the allegations about Savile, Lord Patten says ‘to be frank, I became aware of the whole story when it broke recently in the newspapers’, thus confirming that nobody in the BBC management told the Trust about the ITV email on 7 September until the ITV allegations became public twenty-one days later. Asked if he should have been told earlier that Newsnight had received allegations of sexual abuse on BBC premises, he says ‘no’. Did he think he should have been? ‘No’.
On his way into Broadcasting House to record The Media Show interview Lord Patten is door-stepped by Lucy Manning of ITV News:
Manning: ‘Looks now as if there is going to be an independent inquiry from the BBC: is that what you want to see now?’
Patten: ‘Absolutely, and I think its been clear for some time that that would happen.’
Later in the doorstep interview there is this exchange:
Manning: ‘Do you think the BBC has handled this correctly, all the way?’
Patten: ‘I think they have handled it in exactly the way they should have done, bringing in the police at the outset.’
Manning: ‘But they didn’t bring in the police at the outset: Newsnight had the allegations …’
Patten: ‘They did bring in the police at the outset – as soon as the story became public last week …’
Manning: ‘When ITV made the story public then they brought in the police, but Newsnighthad those allegations from those women and nobody brought the police in then.’

11 October 2012
Lucy Manning doorsteps George Entwistle on his way to work and asks him about the BBC’s handling of the allegations. He too replies:
‘We went straight to the police with it as soon as we had a sense of the scale of what was going on’.

12 October 2012
George Entwistle announces what he calls ‘two pieces of work; both to be led by independent figures’. The names will be announced as soon as possible. One is ‘an immediate independent inquiry led by an external expert into whether there were any failings in the BBC management of the Newsnight investigation’. The other is ‘an inquiry – once the police have indicated they are happy for it to proceed – into the culture and practices of the BBC during the years that Jimmy Savile worked here, and afterwards’.
In reply to questions at a news conference he makes it clear that Peter Rippon will remain as Editor of Newsnight.
Meirion Jones sends the draft script of the abandoned Newsnight item to George Entwistle.

13 October 2012
There is new information -nearly a year later-on the suggestion that one of the women who spoke to the Newsnight investigation believed there was a letter from the Surrey police saying they did not prosecute Savile because he was too old. The Daily Mail talks to a woman known only as ‘Fiona’ and she shows them a letter.
The Mail reports: ‘For her part, Fiona denies forging the letter. Although she initially insisted that it was genuine, last night she conceded that she may have been the victim of a hoax’.
The Mail also reports ‘Corporation sources indicated that their dealings with Fiona – who they said ‘appeared to be playing games with us’ – was a contributory factor’ in the decision to drop the story’.

16 October 2012
The BBC announces that former Court of Appeal judge Dame Janet Smith will lead the independent review into Jimmy Savile and the former Head of Sky News Nick Pollard will lead the review into Newsnight.
Nick Pollard’s terms of reference include ‘whether any inappropriate managerial pressure or consideration may have influenced the decision of the Editor of Newsnight’.
In a ‘Note to Editors’ toward the end of the statement the BBC puts on record that although the Director-General, George Entwistle, normally chairs the Executive Board, on this occasion he ‘absented himself from the Executive Board for the appointment of the two chairs and the agreement of the terms of reference of the reviews. He took no part in discussions around these decisions. The independent reviews will report to the BBC Executive Board, chaired for purposes connected to these reviews by Non-executive Director Dame Fiona Reynolds, the Senior Independent Director Designate’.

20 October 2012
The Daily Mail headlines a story: ‘Newsnight journalist accused of covering up sexual abuse by Savile at the school where his aunt was headmistress ‘. The Mail doesn’t say who made the accusations –which Jones strongly denies-but people draw their own conclusions and talk of ‘civil war’ at the BBC.

21 October 2012
Commentary: This now appears to be a very significant day in the timeline but surprisingly little has been written about it. I first got interested in Sunday 21st when I thought I heard Lord Patten tell the BBC World at One that it was then that he had ‘insisted’ that the mistakes in the blog were corrected. According to The Times account of the interview: ‘Lord Patten said: “I knew last Sunday and I insisted that we should put the blog right as soon as possible.”
I wondered why the Chairman of the BBC Trust would have to ‘insist’ on that point . As far as I now understand it, this is what happened: the programme-makers at BBC Panorama are bound by the same Ofcom rules about fairness as their counterparts over at ITV Exposure. If they are going to make allegations against people or companies they must give fair notice in order to invite responses before the programme is transmitted.
Earlier in the week Panorama had been emailing the BBC corporately and key executives individually giving them notice of what would be said about them and offering them the chance to reply. By the Saturday they had received no replies. So on the Sunday morning, Peter Horrocks, normally Head of BBC Global News but in these unusual circumstances the BBC executive overseeing the production of the Panorama programme (because he hadn’t been previously involved in the saga), emails two executives of the BBC Trust asking their help in bringing this lack of response to the attention of the Chairman, Lord Patten.
Separately Peter Rippon emailed the BBC with a list of corrections to his blog plus, importantly, clarification from him for the first time that the Newsnight investigation had not started as an investigation into the Surrey police’s handling of the allegations against Savile.
I understand that later that morning George Entwistle calls Lord Patten. It can’t have been an easy conversation. The BBC is going to have to make a big change of direction.

22 October 2012
On the day on which BBC1 is to transmit Panorama’s investigation into Savile andNewsnight –‘Jimmy Savile, What the BBC Knew’, and the day before George Entwistle appears before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee at the House of Commons, the BBC senior management have before them the questions from Panorama, presumably their draft answers and the email from Peter Rippon correcting his blog. They will know of the Chairman’s insistence that they correct previous mistakes. One option would have been to put out a comprehensive statement of corrections and clarifications. Instead they decide to issue two different corporate statements at different times. One is to be called ‘Statement regarding Newsnight and Jimmy Savile’ and the other is to be called ‘BBC statement to Panorama’.
A difference in content is that ‘Statement regarding Newsnight and Jimmy Savile’ lists the mistakes in Rippon’s blog based on his email to the management’ but it doesn’t include Rippon’s further point about the origins of the investigation. That is to be included only as a final paragraph in ‘BBC statement to Panorama’:
‘We should also make it clear we now accept that the Newsnight investigation did not start out as an investigation into the Surrey police’s handling of the case against Mr Savile’.
This paragraph is to be the first time that the BBC management effectively admits that it has been misleading people into believing that the investigation started as one into the Surrey Police’s handling of the allegations.
Rippon is, rightly it seems, to be blamed for the blog mistakes but it appears that nobody is to be held responsible for the misleading corporate statements nor is any explanation offered as to how they happened.
The difference in timing is that the first statement is to be issued on the morning of this day, Monday 22 October. The second statement will be given to Panorama in time for use in their programme at 10.30pm that evening and then issued as a public statement the following day.
The effect, intended or otherwise, of this strategy is that for most of the Monday the main story in the media is the first statement about the mistakes Rippon which made in his blog. There will be no announcement about the mistake which the management made until Panorama goes on the air late in the evening.
Whatever the tactics behind all this there’s no hiding from the BBC Trust that the BBC management had been misleading people and that the Trust-by repeating the management line – had been doing so too.
The BBC Trust has confirmed to Steve Hewlett that on ‘Monday morning (22 October) the Executive provided the full text of the updates to the blog, and the Executive’s proposed corporate statement to Panorama, which contained the information that the Executive now accepted that the Newsnight investigation did not start out as an investigation into the Surrey police’s handling of the case against Mr Savile. As far as the Trust is aware, this was the first time that we had been informed of the Executive’s conclusions on the origin of the Newsnight investigation.’
It is worth recording some of the detail of ‘Statement regarding Newsnight and Jimmy Savile’:
‘The BBC has today issued a correction to the blog by the editor of Newsnight, Peter Rippon. On the basis of material now available, it is apparent from information supplied by the Newsnight editor and programme team, that the explanation by the editor in his blog of his decision to drop the programme’s investigation is inaccurate or incomplete in some respects. The BBC regrets these errors and will work with the Pollard Review to assemble all relevant evidence to enable the review to determine the full facts’.
The most significant of the blog corrections concerns the BBC and the police:
‘The blog says that all the women spoken to by the programme had contacted the police independently already and that Newsnight had no new evidence against any other person that would have helped the police. It appears that in some cases women had not spoken to the police and that the police were not aware of all the allegations’.
This is a major change of position and is very different from the assurances given by George Entwistle and Lord Patten about the speed with which the police had been contacted.
The other two changes ‘by way of correction and clarification’ are:
‘1.The blog says that Newsnight had no evidence that anyone from the Duncroft home could or should have known about the allegations. In fact some allegations were made (mostly in general terms) that some of the Duncroft staff knew or may have known about the abuse.
‘2. The blog says that Newsnight had no evidence against the BBC. No allegation was made to the programme that BBC staff were aware of Mr Savile’s alleged activities, but there were some allegations of abusive conduct on BBC premises’.
Commentary: These changes do not address what appears to me to be the most important mistake in the blog which remains uncorrected on the blog to this day.
In the 2 October blog Rippon wrote:
‘Why did I pursue this story about Jimmy Savile and why did I drop it? I decided we should pursue the story because of the nature of the allegations and because the key witness told us the police had investigated the claims but the case had been dropped on the grounds he was too old. This made the public interest case from a Newsnightpoint of view potentially strong. If we could establish some sort of institutional failure we would have a much stronger story’.
Rippon never named ‘the key witness’ who ‘told us the police had investigated the claims but the case had been dropped on the grounds he was too old’. But there is little doubt in my mind who the key witness in the Newsnight investigation was. It was Karin Ward who was the only victim who had agreed to go on camera and the only one who had agreed to be named. She was one of the two starting points for the whole investigation because her written account of what a ‘J.S’ did at the BBC was shown to Rippon to help demonstrate why Newsnight should investigate Savile further.
Newsnight producer Meirion Jones said during Panorama: ‘The key witness, Karin Ward, categorically told us she had not gone to the police – and Peter [Rippon] was reminded many times that this was the case, both verbally and in writing.’
I have confirmed that Karin Ward had no contact with the police about Savile until she went to them following her appearance on the ITV programme ‘Exposure’ which was broadcast in October 2012, nearly a year after the Newsnight investigation. So it is not possible that she passed on to Newsnight during their investigation into Savile any information she received from the police because at that time she hadn’t even met the police. It is possible that from her contact with other former colleagues at the Duncroft Approved School she heard reports of a police investigation but I can find no evidence that she ever told Newsnight about them.
The only explanation I can offer for Rippon’s claim is that Newsnight had talked to one other woman, known as ‘Fiona’, who was not interviewed on camera, who told them at one point that she knew of a letter from the Surrey police citing Savile’s age. TheNewsnight team were never convinced the letter existed. A year later when The Mailspoke to her, she showed them a letter and they concluded that it was a fake or a hoax on ‘Fiona’.
It is surprising that this mistake has remained uncorrected by Rippon and by the BBC because there is a clue in one of the corrections that were made on October 22 that there is a further mistake.
Correction number 3 recalled that the original blog ‘says that all the women spoken to by the programme had contacted the police independently already and that Newsnighthad no new evidence against any other person that would have helped the police. It appears that in some cases women had not spoken to the police and that the police were not aware of all the allegations’.
This is a reference to Karin Ward who BBC executives had realised by then had not spoken to the police. But they don’t seem to have done a read across to the implications on the separate reference to the ‘key witness’ and her contact or otherwise, with the police.
Returning to the events of 22 October, following the BBC statement about the mistakes in Rippon’s blog the Prime Minister says ‘the BBC has effectively changed its story’ and ‘there are serious questions, they need to be answered.’
The BBC Trust says it is ‘deeply concerning that there have been inaccuracies in the BBC’s own description of what happened in relation to the Newsnight investigation.’
Interviewed on that evening’s Newsnight (rather bizarrely Newsnight, on BBC2, was on the air at the same time as Panorama, on BBC One), I say ‘When you have a corporate statement that’s been up there for at least a couple of weeks and then suddenly you pull it and say, actually that wasn’t right. It’s a statement that was initiated by the editor ofNewsnight, was supported by the head of editorial policy, and supported by the director general and supported by the chairman of the BBC trust, it’s an embarrassing thing.’
Commentary: How did it come about The BBC corporately had to admit its own mistake to its leading current affairs programme. The answer is they didn’t have any option. The Panorama programme-makers had interviewed the Newsnight reporter, Liz MacKean, and she said: ‘Ever since the decision was taken to shelve our story I’ve not been happy with public statements made by the BBC. I think they’re very misleading about the nature of the investigation we were doing. The story we were investigating was very clear cut. It was about Jimmy Savile being a paedophile and using his status as a charity fundraiser and television presenter to get access to places where there were vulnerable teenage girls he could abuse.’
Panorama issue a statement about their programme:
‘Peter Rippon has always maintained the story was pulled for ‘editorial reasons’ and not because of a potentially embarrassing clash with planned BBC tributes to Savile over Christmas. Panorama has found no evidence to contradict that view.’
The Panorama programme itself gives a clear and incisive analysis of events.
Amidst all this also comes the news that ‘Peter Rippon is stepping aside with immediate effect from his post while the review by Nick Pollard, the former head of Sky News, into the management of Newsnight’s investigation, is carried out.’ This is a change from the Director-General’s position at his press conference ten days earlier.

23 October 2012
George Entwistle appears before the Commons Culture Committee with David Jordan. Previously he had refused to use hindsight editorial judgement to say that Rippon had made a mistake, but now he says ‘I came away from Panorama firmly of the view that the investigation, even if, in the judgment of the editor, it wasn’t ready for transmission at the point he was looking at it, should have been allowed to continue.’
Asked if he was angry about the mistakes in Rippon’s blog he says he was ‘very disappointed’. He talks of a ‘breakdown of communication’ between Newsnight reporters and the editor. ‘Although I would normally absolutely expect to be able to get from the editor of a programme a complete and full picture of what had been going on in that programme, I thought I needed to get to the bottom of why there seemed to be a difference of opinion and there definitely seems to me to have been a difference of opinion’.
Entwistle doesn’t accept that the BBC hasn’t handled the situation well.
Mark Thompson writes to Rob Wilson MP who has been raising questions about the Savile affair.
Part of his letter says:
‘It is worth noting, however, that I did not know at the time or for the remainder of my period in office whether the Newsnight Savile investigation included allegations related to the BBC and whether it therefore fell into this category, or not’.
The letter also says:
‘You quote me as saying: “During my time as director general of the BBC, I never heard any allegations or received any complaints about Jimmy Savile.” Both of these statements are true to the very best of my knowledge.’

24 October 2012
During Prime Minister’s Questions, Tom Watson MP claims to have ‘clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and No 10.’
David Jordan returns to the Radio Four Media Show three weeks after his previous appearance. Steve Hewlett reads out a list of previous statements by BBC executives, including Jordan, which, Hewlett says, ‘were wrong’.
Jordan says ‘I asked to come back on the programme because your listeners might have been a little misled when I appeared. So I said it started out as an investigation into the Surrey Police and that’s most definitely not the case. It started out, as we now know, into Jimmy Savile and his abuse over many years and it became in the eyes of the Editor, at any rate, a look at the Surrey Police investigation but of course it would always have had to deal with the allegations of abuse as the starting point.
‘The reason why that was the initial view that was taken was because that seemed to be the view that was coming from the Editor who after all is the person who is in charge of the investigation’.
Jordan goes on to explain how ‘listeners might have been a little misled’ by what he has previously said.
‘Well we had the blog written by the Editor, Peter Rippon and our responses we based on that and other information we had at the time. So I’m sorry that I slightly misled your listeners at the time, I didn’t repeat anywhere else that it started out as an investigation into the police as it certainly didn’t’.
Commentary: I have two observations on these comments by David Jordan. Firstly, Peter Rippon never said in his blog that the investigation started as an investigation in to the Surrey Police, so David Jordan can only have based that on ‘other information we had at the time’. Secondly, he is correct in saying that he never repeated that ‘the investigation started into the Surrey Police’.
But he told Today that what Newsnight ‘were looking at specifically was allegations that had been made to the Surrey police’, he told Newswatch that ‘they were investigating the Surrey Police investigation into Jimmy Savile’, George Entwistle told BBC staff ‘Newsnight programme investigated Surrey police’s enquiry into Jimmy Savile’ and Lord Patten told the Media Show ‘I think I am right in saying that they originally thought that the story was the dropping of the police investigation’.
Hewlett goes on to ask when Jordan first had reason to believe that the Rippon blog might be wrong.
Jordan pauses then replies: ‘Well over the course of the next week it gradually became clear that there was an alternative view as it were as to what the Newsnight investigation was about, it became clear from representations from the reporter and the producer principally to the Director-General which the Director-General then had then had looked at.’
Hewlett: ‘Is it true that you met the producer or the producers or people from there as it were the morning after our interview after your appearance on the Today Programme and that at that meeting they told you that it was wrong?’
Jordan: ‘No, I didn’t meet any ‘theys’ after my interview with you, no’
Hewlett: ‘You didn’t meet them the day after?’
Jordan: ‘I didn’t meet any ‘theys’ after the day I met you. I didn’t meet any days. I had a meeting with the producer of the programme.’
Hewlett: ‘Theys’?’
Jordan : ‘… which was a confidential meeting which I am not at liberty to disclose here.‘To me the word confidential when it is applied to a meeting in the particular position that I am in is a confidential meeting.’
Hewlett: ‘I understand, I’m sorry if I have breached any confidences.’
Jordan: ‘Well it’s clear somebody else has.’
Jordan goes on to say that he has urged the producer that if he had any problems with what is being said to get in touch with the Director-General and to get in touch with his line management and tell them that what they were saying was wrong.
Hewlett: ‘Which he did …’
Jordan: ‘Which he did, but not until the Friday following.’
Hewlett: ‘It took an awful long time didn’t it to get this corrected, almost two whole weeks?’
Jordan: ‘Yes it did take a long time and the reason for that is very simple: there were two contradictory accounts of what was going on in Newsnight and those contradictory accounts had to be reconciled, and unfortunately sometimes it takes a while to reconcile the two contradictory accounts, and in this case it took quite a while to reconcile the two contradictory accounts’
This exchange, which leads to a debate between David Jordan and Meirion Jones in the Panorama office, is particularly significant because it goes to the heart of whether the BBC continued to mislead after it realized there may be mistakes in the Rippon blog. David Jordan says that he ‘urged the producer if he had any problems with what was being said to get in touch with the Director-General and to get in touch with his line management and tell them that what they were saying was wrong’.
But at the time of this meeting the only BBC person who had said publicly that the investigation had ‘started as an investigation into the Surrey Police’s investigation’ was not the Director-General or the producer’s line manager or even his own Editor, Peter Rippon, but David Jordan himself.
This also raises the question of if and when Lord Patten was told by the management that the BBC’s public position which he was promoting publicly may be wrong, and when he was told that it definitely was wrong.

25 October 2012
Scotland Yard says there are 300 plus potential victims of whom 130 have been interviewed so far.

28 October 2012
Gary Glitter arrested as part of the investigation into Savile. He denies the charges. Subsequently, Freddie Starr also denies charges.

1 November 2012
Lord Patten is interviewed by Lucy Manning of ITV News. Manning: ‘This has been a disaster for the BBC hasn’t it?’
Patten: ‘Yes. But above all it has been a disaster for all those women who’ve been abused over the years and we’ve got two huge priorities now. One is to discharge our obligations to them: not only abused, but feeling that they were marooned with nobody believing their stories until recently; and secondly we’ve got to start rebuilding the reputation of the BBC. The BBC has been the most trusted news gathering organization in the country for years and one of the ways we can rebuild that trust is telling the truth about ourselves even when the truth is awful.’
Patten also admits that he and BBC management executives had given misleading statements. When asked if he expects any resignations among the BBC management he says he would not be surprised if there were resignations.

revlovejoy
24-11-2012, 09:01 PM
LOL. Savile told loads of people he had royal blood and this is why he called his mum "the duchess" The BBC played him off as eccentric when he was just being himself and that's a black prince of occultism, he was feared and revered by many, and he is guilty of some shocking crimes that are now beginning to make the mass consciousness..

No such thing as coincidence only lack of synchronicity and this is why I expect the exposures to carry on flooding until it's perfectly acceptable that we have been controlled our entire lives.. But waking up and taking out the parasite that controlled us

Have you got a source where he claimed royal bloodline?

neilvw
24-11-2012, 09:02 PM
2 November 2012
Iain Overton, editor of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism whose colleague Angus Stickler is the reporter on a Newsnight item to be shown that night says in a tweet (which has subsequently been retweeted 1574 times): ‘If all goes well we’ve got a Newsnight out tonight about a very senior political figure who is a paedophile.’
On the internet, speculation begins about who that ‘very senior political figure’ might be. The name most tweeted is ‘McAlpine’.
At 11.48 am Newsnight’s former political editor Michael Crick, who now works for Channel Four News, has had reports that Newsnight’s story will be about Lord McAlpine and tweets:
‘@iainoverton @guidofawkes Leaving it a bit late aren’t you? Subject of your story told me 30 mins ago you’d not yet put story to him.’
At 1.06 pm Michael Crick tweets to his 44, 727 followers:
‘“Senior political figure” due to be accused tonight by BBC of being paedophile denies allegations + tells me he’ll issue libel writ agst BBC.’ [sic]
At 2.08 pm Michael Crick tweets:
‘The senior political figure due to be accused paedophile activity by BBC tonight tells me that he still hasn’t heard from them for response’.
At 7pm on Channel Four News Michael Crick (MC) is interviewed by presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy (KGM):
KGM: A victim of abuse in the Welsh Care Homes Scandal claims he was sexually assaulted by a former senior political figure. It is the Jimmy Savile scandal that has unlocked allegations that have been shut away and forgotten for decades. But tonight the accused man has spoken to our political correspondent Michael Crick, who joins me now. What’s the allegation?
MC: Well, you’ll remember from the 1990s, that the Welsh Care Homes Scandal was huge – I mean, probably the biggest sexual child abuse scandal this country’s ever seen, involving nearly 40 children’s homes and 100s of victims. Now, a former victim who lived at Bryn Estin, the children’s home at the centre of this scandal, near Wrexham, has said that he was raped by a former senior Conservative official from the Thatcher era. And we’ve spoken to him again today, and he doesn’t - he said that first of all 13 years ago – and we spoke to him again today, and he doesn’t retract that story. Now I understand that this official, former official, was named in evidence to the Waterhouse Tribunal that looked into this whole affair, took three years at the end of the 1990s, but the name was never published in the final report simply because perpetrators’ names weren’t published unless they’d actually been convicted. Now I’ve spoken today twice to the former official. He vehemently denies the allegations; says they’re rubbish; says he’s never been interested in young boys, or old boys for that matter; he’s not a paedophile, never been involved in paedophile activity; and that if he is named he says he will sue.
KGM: Well, you’ve explained why this name has never been heard before. Allegations have been circling now for days.
MC: They have. I mean, allegations have actually been circling for decades, but particularly in the light of the Savile affair, in the last few days there have been a lot of allegations flying about, about senior political figures. We saw Tom Watson in the House of Commons last week claim that there might be a paedophile ring that was linked to a senior figure in Downing Street from 20 years ago. And indeed at the weekend the former Welsh Office Minister, Rod Richards, a Conservative, claimed that Peter Morrison, who was an aide to Margaret Thatcher, her private parliamentary secretary, at the end of her leadership, in 1990 – Mr Richards said that he was also amongst those accused of sexual abuse in evidence to the Waterhouse Tribunal, but of course we can name him because he died some years ago.”
At 10.30pm, Newsnight airs an interview with Steve Messham, 49, who claims to have been repeatedly abused by a ‘senior Conservative official from the Thatcher era’ in the late 1970s in North Wales.The ‘official’ is not named.

5 November 2012
Prime Minister David Cameron orders an inquiry into the North Wales child abuse claims and how they were handled in the 1970s and 1980s.

6 November 2012
A new police inquiry is announced by Home Secretary Theresa May. Led by the head of the National Crime Agency, it will look into the allegations of child abuse in the North Wales care homes.
Mrs Justice Julia Macur begins investigation into the terms of the Waterhouse abuse inquiry.
Michael Crick tweets:
‘Before any MP names him in Commons, I am more + more sceptical whether “senior Conservative official from Thatcher era” is guilty as alleged’

8 November 2012
Prime Minister appears on ITV’s This Morning and is shown a list of names- found on Twitter- by Philip Schofield. David Cameron speaks of his fears of a ‘witch-hunt’ against gay members of parliament.

9 November 2012
The Guardian prints a front-page article naming Lord McAlpine as the person referred to in the Newsnight report- but insists that he is a victim of mistaken identity by Steve Messham.
The story is discussed on a BBC management morning conference call but George Entwistle does not hear it because he is preparing to speak to a conference in London of Public Broadcasters International. He makes a speech saying: ‘I should be the first to admit that we haven’t got everything right since this crisis started.’
Lord McAlpine issues a statement denying the allegations, claiming they are ‘wholly false and seriously defamatory.’ He indicates that he will sue the BBC for libel, and that his lawyers will look into Tweets and other internet activity that implicated him.
Steve Messham publicly apologises to Lord McAlpine and accepts that he made a ‘genuine error.’ He claims that Police had shown him a picture of his abuser in the early 1990s and told him it was Lord McAlpine.But he has now be shown a picture of the real Lord McAlpine and realises he was not the abuser.
Newsnight begins with the headline ‘A new crisis for Newsnight’

10 November 2012
BBC issues an apology for broadcasting the Newsnight report and announces that the programme’s investigations will be suspended.
George Entwistle is interviewed by John Humphries on the Today programme.
He reveals that despite all the pre-transmission speculation about the Newsnight report on North Wales care home abuse, he didn’t know about it until after it had gone out.
He also didn’t know about The Guardian front page story claiming there had been a case of mistaken identity until Messham himself confirmed it at about 6pm saying he had now been shown a photograph of Lord McAlpine and realised this wasn’t his abuser..
Jeremy Paxman issues a statement:
‘George Entwistle’s departure is a great shame. He has been brought low by cowards and incompetents. The real problem here is the BBC’s decision, in the wake of the Hutton Inquiry, to play safe by appointing biddable people.
‘They then compounded the problem by enforcing a series of cuts on programme budgets, while bloating the management. That is how you arrive at the current mess on Newsnight. I very much doubt the problem is unique to that programme.
‘I had hoped that George might stay to sort this out.It is a great pity that a talented man has been sacrificed. While time-servers prosper.I shall not be issuing any further statements or doing any interviews.’
The BBC Trustees talk on the phone about the situation in general and Entwistle’s performance on Today in particular.
George Entwistle sends Lord Patten a letter of resignation as DG.
Lord Patten telephones his deputy Diana Coyle deliberate over George Entwistle’s letter of resignation. Coyle signs off Entwistle’s £450, 000 with Strictly Come Dancing on her television in the background, according to a BBC spokesperson.
At 9.00pm George Entwistle and Lord Patten walk out of the front door of New Broadcasting House and make statements.
George Entwistle resignation statement:
‘In the light of the fact that the Director-General is also the Editor-in-Chief and ultimately responsible for all content; and in the light of the unacceptable journalistic standards of theNewsnight film broadcast on Friday 2 November, I have decided that the honourable thing to do is to step down from the post of director-general.
‘When appointed to the role, with 23 years’ experience as a producer and leader at the BBC, I was confident the trustees had chosen the best candidate for the post, and the right person to tackle the challenges and opportunities ahead. However, the wholly exceptional events of the past few weeks have led me to conclude that the BBC should appoint a new leader.
‘To have been the Director-General of the BBC even for a short period, and in the most challenging of circumstances, has been a great honour.
‘While there is understandable public concern over a number of issues well covered in the media – which I’m confident will be addressed by the review process – we must not lose sight of the fact that the BBC is full of people of the greatest talent and the highest integrity. That’s what will continue to make it the finest broadcaster in the world.’
Lord Patten statement:
‘This is undoubtedly one of the saddest evenings of my public life. George Entwistle has worked for the BBC for 23 years. He exemplifies the finest values of public service broadcasting.
‘At the heart of the BBC is its role as a trusted global news organisation and as the editor in chief of that news organisation, George has very honourably offered us his resignation because of the unacceptable mistakes, the unacceptable shoddy journalism that has caused so much controversy.’

11 November 2012
BBC Trust chairman Lord Patten says a ‘thorough, radical, structural overhaul’ of the BBC is needed after Entwistle’s resignation. He reveals that a new director general will be decided within a matter of weeks.
Scotland director Ken MacQuarrie is commissioned to make a report of what happened in the latest Newsnight investigation.

12 November 2012:
David Dimbleby is interviewed on Today. He says ”I can’t understand why the director general of the BBC resigned.The BBC has a crisis of management of its own making… Lord Patten should have a good close look at how the BBC is run’
BBC Director of News Helen Boaden and her deputy Stephen Mitchell ‘step aside’ from their roles. They await the result of the Pollard Inquiry.
Acting Director General Tim Davie claims this shows BBC is ‘getting a grip’ on the organisation.
Tim Davie appears on Sky News but the interview ends messily
BBC Scotland director Ken MacQuarrie describes an ‘ambiguity around who was taking the ultimate editorial responsibility for the report.’
Summary of findings of the MacQuarrie report
Iain Overton resigns as editor of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

13 November 2012
BBC begins disciplinary measures against employees involved in the decision to air theNewsnight report featuring Steve Messham’s allegations.

15 November 2012
ITV issues a statement about Philip Schofield:
‘Last Thursday we began an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the mistake on that day’s This Morning programme, for which both Phillip Schofield and ITV apologised.
‘This investigation has now concluded and the appropriate disciplinary action has been taken. We sincerely apologise because the way in which the issue was raised was clearly wrong and should have been handled differently. We have taken steps to make sure our editorial processes are always properly followed, which was not the case in this instance, and to ensure such an error will not be made again.’
Lucy Manning interviews Peter Fincham, who says that the way This Morning interviewed David Cameron was ‘very misguided’ but Schofield will continue to present the programme.
Ofcom announces two investigations of possible breaches of the Broadcasting Code.
‘The first (investigation) relates to a Newsnight report broadcast on 2 November into child sex abuse allegations. The second relates to the disclosure of a list of individuals alleged to be linked to child sex abuse on ITV’s This Morning, broadcast on 8 November.’
The BBC and Lord McAlpine reach a settlement in which he will be paid £185,000.
22nd November 2012
ITV agrees to pay Lord McAlpine £125,000 in damages.
11.55 BBC Business Editor Robert Peston tweets:
‘Am hearing that Tony Hall, chief exec Royal Opera House, has been appointed as new DG of BBC. Announcement soon’
Shortly afterwards a press release from the BBC Trust says: The BBC Trust has today appointed Tony Hall – Lord Hall of Birkenhead – as the Director-General of the BBC, following the departure of George Entwistle.


Commentary: Looking back over the timeline there seem to me to have been at least ten occasions when Mark Thomson’s office received or should have received information about Savile’s alleged sexual assaults on BBC premises.The ten occasions are listed below:
Sometime in February 2012 The BBC Press cuttings service sent to the Director-General’s office should have included a story from that month’s Oldie magazine which is the first report to specifically mention allegations of assaults on under-age girls on BBC premises

09 February 2012
BBC Press cuttings should have included a story in that day’s Guardian diary.
10 February 2012
BBC Press cuttings should have included a page lead story in that day’s Telegraph quoting the Oldie article
11 February 2012
BBC Press cuttings should have included a story in that day’s Mirror
13 February 2012
Press cuttings should have included a story in that day’s Telegraph.
18 May 2012
Freelance reporter Miles Goslett speaks to Jessica Cecil-Head of the DG’s office- on the phone about the BBC’s response to Goslett’s FOI about the allegations
5 August 2012
Press cuttings should include a Sunday Mirror story saying that a forthcoming ITV programme will name Jimmy Savile as a paedophile and say he assaulted underage girls on BBC premises.
6 August 2012
Press cuttings should include a follow up stories appears in the Mirror.
6th September 2012
A letter sent by solicitors Mills and Reeve to the Sunday Times threatening legal action if they print certain allegations against Mark Thompson should have been copied to Mark Thompson or his office. The letter mentions allegations that Savile committed sexual offences on BBC premises.
7th September 2012
A letter from ITV outlining the allegations that will be made in a programme in October about assaults on BBC premises is copied to Mark Thompson’s office by the BBC Press Office.
Finally,a reminder that on 23rd October Mark Thompson wrote to an MP: “During my time as Director General of the BBC, I never heard any allegations or received any complaints about Jimmy Savile’.

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trafficker
24-11-2012, 09:04 PM
Nobody Came: The appalling true story of brothers cruelly abused in a Jersey care home

A harrowing account by one of the survivors of the Haut de la Garenne children’s home

Robbie was born in Jersey fifty six years ago. When he was fivehismother placed him and his three siblings in care. They were collected from their home by the police. It was the same day that the children had witnessed their father's suicide attempt by hanging. The children were separated; Robbie and his younger brother were taken to The Sacre Coeur, an orphanage for children undertwelve,whiletheir elderbrother was placed in Haut de la Garenne. Their baby sister disappeared. The boys never saw her again.

Robbie and his three year old brother were bewildered and frightened by their surroundings. Theirworld asthey had known it had disintegrated in just a matter of a few hours. They had sobbed as their eldest brother was taken away from them; they had never been apart before.

Sacre Coeur, run by nuns, was a place where unimaginable abuse was committed against defenceless small children. The nuns gave them no explanation. Just gavethem their scratchy uniforms and showed them their dormitory. They had joined the tribe of lost boys; the ones who no one cared about.

The two boys were eventually transferred to Haut de la Garenne, a placewhere sick twisted minds had devised even more tortuous methods of sexually abusing the helpless.

There were suicidesthere. One boy blew himself up by creeping into a bunker with a supply of butane gas. And of course there were the children who simply disappeared. Gone somewhere better Robbie was told. After all in a children's home there was a lot of coming and going.

Today Robbie holds down a full time job and looks after his brother who he has loved and cared for since they were those little frightened boys. He wonders what happened to his friends who disappeared.

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mr dude
24-11-2012, 09:09 PM
Panic over guys... it's all taken care of and there is nothing to worry about;):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Child_Identification_Programs_%28CHIP%29

airedale
24-11-2012, 09:09 PM
Not directly related to savile but still possibly linked to the wider discussion and provides an answer to someone who earlier asked where occultist rituals happened or were seen by another poster (claydog).

Canewdon in Essex was considered one of the most important places in the UK for the new occultist movement, it was the home of George Pickingill one of Crowleys 'hero's' and according to a good friend of mine who was a police officer a place where in the 70's and 80's he would some times be called out with colleagues after particularly depraved occultist activity where they would find in his words very high ranking individuals (often the worse for wear), and always told to turn a blind eye.

He never mentioned anything to do with children, but animal sacrifice, desecration of graves etc... and evidence of other rituals etc... was he said evident.

claydog
24-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Have you got a source where he claimed royal bloodline?


I heard it from a 90's TV show but I am wracking my brains, but it had something to do with Esther Rantzen but not That's life. Ad it's also common knowledge among the inner sanctum this is the big leak they fear as it brings down the entire establishment, the BBCSKY etc are shitting themselves right now because they know the internet is the wild wild west lol

I can't name any names associated with the written work that has a super injunction on me though but I have been told by people who are part of the establishment. They know how this is pans out but psychopaths don't like being told to pack up and fuck off do they..

mr dude
24-11-2012, 09:11 PM
Panic over guys... it's all taken care of and there is nothing to worry about;):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Child_Identification_Programs_%28CHIP%29

Masonic Child Identification Programs (CHIP) are a charitable initiative by North American Masonic lodges to aid in the identification and recovery of missing children. CHIP programs are supported monetarily at the Grand Lodge level, and are staffed by volunteers from subordinate lodges as well as law enforcement and dental professionals.

The CHIP programs allow parents the opportunity to create a kit of identifying materials for their child, free of charge. The kit contains a fingerprint card, a physical description, a video, computer disk, or DVD of the child, a dental imprint, and a DNA sample. The purpose of the kit is to provide critical information to the public and to law enforcement in the event that a child goes missing

spycatcher
24-11-2012, 09:12 PM
It just occurred to me that a number of you on here are not who you say you are and some of you are using this thread to 'communicate' with each other.

Some of you know who some of the others are and who they are working for and therefore are trying to play each other and also trying to gleen information etc.

I don't trust ANYONE on this thread that has joined since this whole savile thing came out. Many of you joined up OCT2012!

The game here is good people against the satanists.

+1

claydog
24-11-2012, 09:15 PM
Panic over guys... it's all taken care of and there is nothing to worry about;):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Child_Identification_Programs_%28CHIP%29

Masonic Child Identification Programs (CHIP) are a charitable initiative by North American Masonic lodges to aid in the identification and recovery of missing children. CHIP programs are supported monetarily at the Grand Lodge level, and are staffed by volunteers from subordinate lodges as well as law enforcement and dental professionals.

The CHIP programs allow parents the opportunity to create a kit of identifying materials for their child, free of charge. The kit contains a fingerprint card, a physical description, a video, computer disk, or DVD of the child, a dental imprint, and a DNA sample. The purpose of the kit is to provide critical information to the public and to law enforcement in the event that a child goes missing




WOW, the pedophiles want to just tag us now and think we can't see what their other hand is doing. LOL

teardropexplodes
24-11-2012, 09:16 PM
It just occurred to me that a number of you on here are not who you say you are and some of you are using this thread to 'communicate' with each other.

Some of you know who some of the others are and who they are working for and therefore are trying to play each other and also trying to gleen information etc.

I don't trust ANYONE on this thread that has joined since this whole savile thing came out. Many of you joined up OCT2012!

The game here is good people against the satanists.

Plus two.
Tons of disinformation and wilful gnoring of bigger picture

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:21 PM
The Beatles MUST have known. MUST. Their manager was Brian Epstein, who had connections to all and sundry through the sex parties at Alan "Fluff" Freeman's flats.

But personally I don't think Paul McCartney is a very nice man and now rushing to distance himself from Savile just like everyone else. Say what you like about Heather Mills, I found what she said about him rather convincing. That makes me sad because I am a huge Beatles fan. I was also a huge Who fan and find it hard to like them now because of Pete Townshend. :(

I feel the same way...

The Beatles MUST have known. MUST. Their manager was Brian Epstein, who had connections to all and sundry through the sex parties at Alan "Fluff" Freeman's flats.

Of COURSE they knew - Paul M is obviously trying to distance himself - do some digging on the net and you will find some shocking stuff, I'll leave it at that.

Also - anyone who accepts a gong is definitely a parasite!!! ALL OF THEM!!!




But personally I don't think Paul McCartney is a very nice man and now rushing to distance himself from Savile just like everyone else.

The Beatles, Stones, Led Zep - all my fav bands, seen them all live many times, except for the fab 4, just Paul M - was at the opening Wings gig with original wife on tambourine, LOL! Denny Laine I think was in the band... great live band... what I was getting at, they were all controlled by Tavistock / MI5 handlers. Social engineering on a massive scale.




Say what you like about Heather Mills, I found what she said about him rather convincing. That makes me sad because I am a huge Beatles fan. I was also a huge Who fan and find it hard to like them now because of Pete Townshend.


Yeah, was VERY hard to watch PT during their last live gig, think it was the Olympics...

Sir Bob G

Sir Bonehead

Sir Paul M

Sir Elton

Sir VILE

All make my skin crawl...

And every single one of them have very dodgy pasts...

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 09:24 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before. First time I've seen it. Scan of an interview with Savile from 1964. Claims to have been blown up twice in this one. Assorted interesting snippets: http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/Funkdooby_album/savilepaper.jpg

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:25 PM
+1

In the forum game, I am always very on the suss, and like to think I can spot the shills and disinfo agents. This thread = far harder, there is a lot at stake, and the calibre of the dodgy cnuts is significantly higher than normal - before I read anything I take a quick look at the number of posts made/join date. Having said that we have some classy newbies here, with a lot of good info...

marlowe
24-11-2012, 09:26 PM
The Beatles MUST have known. MUST. Their manager was Brian Epstein, who had connections to all and sundry through the sex parties at Alan "Fluff" Freeman's flats.

But personally I don't think Paul McCartney is a very nice man and now rushing to distance himself from Savile just like everyone else. Say what you like about Heather Mills, I found what she said about him rather convincing. That makes me sad because I am a huge Beatles fan. I was also a huge Who fan and find it hard to like them now because of Pete Townshend. :(

He (McC) is rumoured to be on a certain list that can't be discussed.

voicefromnowhere
24-11-2012, 09:29 PM
Funny how every informational video on youtube related to Bryn Estyn is 'currently unavailable' This shows that TPTB are revving up the getaway car for sure.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:29 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before. First time I've seen it. Scan of an interview with Savile from 1964. Claims to have been blown up twice in this one. Assorted interesting snippets: http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/Funkdooby_album/savilepaper.jpg

for posterity

nice find!

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/Funkdooby_album/savilepaper.jpg

searchfortruth
24-11-2012, 09:29 PM
He (McC) is rumoured to be on a certain list that can't be discussed.

Heather Mills said in an interview(I think the rant on GMTV) that she was protecting him but she has had enough now, and she was ready to blow the lid on it all. Or words to that effect.

white horse
24-11-2012, 09:30 PM
It just occurred to me that a number of you on here are not who you say you are and some of you are using this thread to 'communicate' with each other.

Some of you know who some of the others are and who they are working for and therefore are trying to play each other and also trying to gleen information etc.

I don't trust ANYONE on this thread that has joined since this whole savile thing came out. Many of you joined up OCT2012!

The game here is good people against the satanists.

Yes quite.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:31 PM
He (McC) is rumoured to be on a certain list that can't be discussed.

Correctimundo, search this thread...

claydog
24-11-2012, 09:31 PM
follow the trail to Windsor castle and Vatican city if you want the top satanists. The rest are just mindless drones in comparison. They are preparing scapegoats so we piss around arguing over lord nonce this and lord nonce that when its all of the cunts.

99% of us are good, its the occultism that hides that is the real problem and they hide behind charity, church and politics. and high society, and they own celebrity and media. the whole fucking thing is Satan. So why argue with people over who is who on here? Surely your brain now functions enough for you to pick out the diamonds from the mountain of shit without blanketing any one new here?

concernedmom
24-11-2012, 09:32 PM
I heard it from a 90's TV show but I am wracking my brains, but it had something to do with Esther Rantzen but not That's life. Ad it's also common knowledge among the inner sanctum this is the big leak they fear as it brings down the entire establishment, the BBCSKY etc are shitting themselves right now because they know the internet is the wild wild west lol

I can't name any names associated with the written work that has a super injunction on me though but I have been told by people who are part of the establishment. They know how this is pans out but psychopaths don't like being told to pack up and fuck off do they..


my mantra - "he's definately a Bowes-Lyon".

Where it happens I can't workout as I am rubbish at ancestry and similar.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:32 PM
Funny how every informational video on youtube related to Bryn Estyn is 'currently unavailable' This shows that TPTB are revving up the getaway car for sure.

Indeed, sanitisers are on time and a half right now!!!;):D:mad::p

welshwitch
24-11-2012, 09:33 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/thatchers-dad-mayor-preacher-groper-1257249.html

Alderman Alfred Roberts, revered father of Margaret Thatcher and inspirer of her Victorian values, sexually harassed young female assistants working in the grocer's shop where she grew up, according to the distinguished political biographer Professor Bernard Crick.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:34 PM
Heather Mills said in an interview(I think the rant on GMTV) that she was protecting him but she has had enough now, and she was ready to blow the lid on it all. Or words to that effect.

Wow, hope she doesn't go hill walking, via the woods...:eek:

chuchichastli
24-11-2012, 09:38 PM
It just occurred to me that a number of you on here are not who you say you are and some of you are using this thread to 'communicate' with each other.

Some of you know who some of the others are and who they are working for and therefore are trying to play each other and also trying to gleen information etc.

I don't trust ANYONE on this thread that has joined since this whole savile thing came out. Many of you joined up OCT2012!

The game here is good people against the satanists.

Don't do this, don't fall for the Divide and Conquer thing. Sure, there are plenty of suspicious postings here - I agree - and no doubt it is right to challenge people from time to time.

But please don't tar all of us Johnny Come Latelys with a negative brush or fan the flames of suspicion more than they are already burning. For example, I'm a conspiracy researcher of five years experience (not much compared to some I know) and have been a lurker on here for a couple of years. I daresay similar can be said for many other newcomers.

Please, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. A lot of decent people are waking up right now, and this is a natural place for them to gravitate.

illuminumnuts
24-11-2012, 09:38 PM
That's interesting what you've said about Heather Mills, electric lady. I recall she got a bit of stick on a lot of forums at the time of her separation from Paul McCartney.

Paul McCartney's name has been mentioned a lot over the years on forums when discussing cover ups and other stuff. I remember reading what Heather Mills said. Quite worrying, but I still think she was a money grabbing cow, but, more fool the men who let these women manipulate them.

She got a lot of stick from the MSM, so must have been an ok kind of money grabbing cow. :)



If it's any consolation, it looks very much like Townshend never accessed child porn. He was forensically investigated and sure enough, no trace of anything iffy on his PC (and it hadn't been wiped or had a new hard drive put in it etc). It appears that he did indeed find himself at the entrance of a dodgy gateway site that was offering access to all sorts of dubious underage content - this was while he was researching his book, which has since been published. He was curious...and signed up using his credit card...then realised what a stupid thing it was he'd just done and cancelled immediately. This is a matter of record and not just his word. When the big Landslide/Operation Ore bust took place, Townshend knew his name would come up as his card had been billed, so he went to the police. He accepted a police caution, which effectively made it look like he was admitting to accessing child porn, rather than face a court case to defend himself. There was nothing whatsoever found to suggest he had any unhealthy interest in kids, either from that investigation or from any other source relating to his life before or since. On which basis I would consider him sound.

I don't believe a word of it, but that's just me. :rolleyes:

The problem with the fuckers we're up against is that they often don't threaten the person themselves but their family.

It's what all sick gangsters do, which is exactly what they are.

trafficker
24-11-2012, 09:38 PM
indeed, one of the many things I learned last week:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html

The cover-story Chiedi chi era quel «Beatle» for the July 15 2009 issue of Wired Italia, the Italian edition of the US magazine Wired, describes the analysis of the McCartney conspiracy theory conducted by two Italians, Gabriella Carlesi and Francesco Gavazzeni (the man and woman in the photo).
Their purpose for analyzing this conspiracy theory was to provide indisputable, scientific evidence that would put an end to the persistent rumors that Paul McCartney had died in a car accident in 1966. However, the results of their analysis surprised them. Instead of putting an end to the rumors, their analysis provides scientific evidence that the Paul McCartney of today is not the same man as the Paul McCartney prior to 1966.

also check out what happened to Bob Dylan and Joan Baez...




http://www.bibleetnombres.online.fr/images64/the-beatles-yesterday-and-today.jpg

searchfortruth
24-11-2012, 09:39 PM
Wow, hope she doesn't go hill walking, via the woods...:eek:

She also mentioned being topped off, and receiving death threats from an underworld society. She said something along the lines of go on do it, then the world will know the truth, something like that anyway.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:40 PM
indeed, one of the many things I learned last week:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html

The cover-story Chiedi chi era quel «Beatle» for the July 15 2009 issue of Wired Italia, the Italian edition of the US magazine Wired, describes the analysis of the McCartney conspiracy theory conducted by two Italians, Gabriella Carlesi and Francesco Gavazzeni (the man and woman in the photo).
Their purpose for analyzing this conspiracy theory was to provide indisputable, scientific evidence that would put an end to the persistent rumors that Paul McCartney had died in a car accident in 1966. However, the results of their analysis surprised them. Instead of putting an end to the rumors, their analysis provides scientific evidence that the Paul McCartney of today is not the same man as the Paul McCartney prior to 1966.

also check out what happened to Bob Dylan and Joan Baez...

I've looked into the double thing, and it is quite compelling, also, didn't they dump one member, and in comes Ringo, who I believe is Jewish (Epstein - Jewish, was involved in that IIRC) - Ringo was far more streetwise than the others, and older - I guess he would be the alpha dog in the group...

What are you getting at with Dylan and Baez, please?

claydog
24-11-2012, 09:41 PM
my mantra - "he's definately a Bowes-Lyon".

Where it happens I can't workout as I am rubbish at ancestry and similar.



She shoehorned him in to the BBC, Mary of Teck I reckon was Savile's gran. Bavarian Illuminati bloodline. But there are so many of them and they change fucking his-story and own modern education so fucks know's it's just so rotten sometimes it just needs shredding and starting again.

I seriously doubt we will ever get frank and honest accounts from total psychopaths who see us as cattle..But lots of minions left over to squirm and grass each other up, parliament is just one nest of vipers all biting at each other.

juan juan
24-11-2012, 09:42 PM
Well its pretty inevitable after Savile hit the MSM in Oct2012 alot of newbies would join this forum isnt it?

And anyway,its not as if long term posters cant be sleepers.

I couldnt give a fuck.I'll post what and when i like and am happy to let others take what they wish from them.

Very hard for anyone on any fora to prove their bona-fides so lets just get on with it.Arseholes and shills invariably reveal themselves anyway.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:42 PM
All I can say in, I was banned from another forum for posting forensic evidence from a leaked police report clearly indicative of unexplained child deaths , possibly murders, in Haut de La Garenne, Jersey. They claimed I was posting copyrighted material, but that's b.s., I have a fair idea who leaked it and they're not going to sue, they did it to get it out there. I have been researching these rings since 2008. I knew a lot of things would come out after Savile's death, the only thing that surprised me is how long it has taken.

People who joined in 2007 are just as likely to be disinfo agents as any of the newbies, have you thought about that aspect?

How very dare you!!!:p;):D:):rolleyes::eek:

illuminumnuts
24-11-2012, 09:42 PM
phew! thanks for clearing that up :) I never got a bad vibe either. People with any connection to the royals/establishment and children at the same time bothers me.

I got a bad vibe from Rolf.



They run everything that's how control freaks work, they don't leave any angle not infected with their dominance.

Yes, but if they really ran Hussein and Gaddafi, then they wouldn't both be dead.



Apart from the first one I agree with those. Actually most of them aren't too far from what Icke teaches, I would have thought. The people who put these guidestones together mustn've have a lot of power in the world though, as the human population continues to increase, people continue to be hemmed in by more and more "petty laws and useless officials", and I don't see much evidence of prizing of beauty, truth and love and seeking harmony with the infinite.

No kidding, as they are still running the show. :rolleyes: When we finally arrive at their idea of paradise we will no doubt see the light. For the record, you support them in their goals do you?

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 09:45 PM
No kidding, as they are still running the show. :rolleyes: When we finally arrive at their idea paradise we will no doubt see the light. For the record, you support them in their goals do you?

Support who? I don't see the current world population trend as sustainable, that's for sure. Reducing it to 500 million is another matter. Considering David Icke himself originally came from the Green movement, and still agrees with some of the goals of the Greens, I don't think it's too outlandish to point out the current trend in world population growth is damaging the environment.

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 09:45 PM
Not entirely sure why noncooperation is only suspicious of the newbs. Surely anyone worth their salt watching a place like this and wishing to put about false stuff would have joined long ago.

My own contributions have been meagre, mostly limited to the occasional tirade :o I joined this place after people on the original DS Savile thread kept mentioning this thread and saying that the people on here were unearthing all sorts of good new info. Simple as that. I like the fact that you can swear on here and post controversial stuff without getting banned/censored. DS is part of the MSM and they're hyper cautious (for example, I posted on there the other day and merely said that Lord McLibel wouldn't sue anyone...message lasted about 30 seconds :rolleyes:

Half the people are a complete mental, IMHO :p And the other half aren't much saner ;) But I kind of like it here - the detective work on this thread from many has been outstanding.

BTW, I am Blondedumbition on DS. Previous four years were spent mostly discussing Big Brother. Was going to say that must prove I'm not working for MI5 but I guess BB might well be the kind of thing they'd enjoy :D

illuminumnuts
24-11-2012, 09:46 PM
phew! thanks for clearing that up :) I never got a bad vibe either. People with any connection to the royals/establishment and children at the same time bothers me.

I got a bad vibe from Rolf.



They run everything that's how control freaks work, they don't leave any angle not infected with their dominance.

Yes, but if they really ran Hussein and Gaddafi, then they wouldn't both be dead.



Apart from the first one I agree with those. Actually most of them aren't too far from what Icke teaches, I would have thought. The people who put these guidestones together mustn've have a lot of power in the world though, as the human population continues to increase, people continue to be hemmed in by more and more "petty laws and useless officials", and I don't see much evidence of prizing of beauty, truth and love and seeking harmony with the infinite.

No kidding, as they are still running the show. :rolleyes: When we finally arrive at their idea paradise we will no doubt see the light. For the record, you support them in their goals do you?



I don't agree - the deal here is GOOD PEOPLE against the Satanists.

Yes, but you can't just be suspicious of all newbies. It's silly. :p

zuckuss
24-11-2012, 09:46 PM
Glad I joined in May! :p

Did Pegleg Mills stand on the court steps and say something like "I'm the one being treated like a paedophile...", then say something about the information is being held in a safe place, and that she is protecting someone at the moment?

nobodyswife
24-11-2012, 09:47 PM
I feel the same way...

The Beatles MUST have known. MUST. Their manager was Brian Epstein, who had connections to all and sundry through the sex parties at Alan "Fluff" Freeman's flats.

Of COURSE they knew - Paul M is obviously trying to distance himself - do some digging on the net and you will find some shocking stuff, I'll leave it at that.

Also - anyone who accepts a gong is definitely a parasite!!! ALL OF THEM!!!




But personally I don't think Paul McCartney is a very nice man and now rushing to distance himself from Savile just like everyone else.

The Beatles, Stones, Led Zep - all my fav bands, seen them all live many times, except for the fab 4, just Paul M - was at the opening Wings gig with original wife on tambourine, LOL! Denny Laine I think was in the band... great live band... what I was getting at, they were all controlled by Tavistock / MI5 handlers. Social engineering on a massive scale.




Say what you like about Heather Mills, I found what she said about him rather convincing. That makes me sad because I am a huge Beatles fan. I was also a huge Who fan and find it hard to like them now because of Pete Townshend.


Yeah, was VERY hard to watch PT during their last live gig, think it was the Olympics...

Sir Bob G

Sir Bonehead

Sir Paul M

Sir Elton

Sir VILE

All make my skin crawl...

And every single one of them have very dodgy pasts...

At Anders can you embed this photo of Robert Plant and Jimmy Savile please ?

http://www.allposters.fr/-sp/Led-Zeppelin-Musicians-the-Group-with-Jimmy-Savile-at-the-Melody-Maker-Awards-Affiches_i3960652_.htm

They all knew one another.

gremlinsagain
24-11-2012, 09:48 PM
All I can say in, I was banned from another forum for posting forensic evidence from a leaked police report clearly indicative of unexplained child deaths , possibly murders, in Haut de La Garenne, Jersey. They claimed I was posting copyrighted material, but that's b.s., I have a fair idea who leaked it and they're not going to sue, they did it to get it out there. I have been researching these rings since 2008. I knew a lot of things would come out after Savile's death, the only thing that surprised me is how long it has taken.

People who joined in 2007 are just as likely to be disinfo agents as any of the newbies, have you thought about that aspect? Here, here, they are more likely to have joined some time ago to create the front, but we all need our wits about us regardless of when joined.

People have to make up their own minds and sadly, but understandably, someone posts a list of newbies and some of those newbies feel they have to 'justify'. You only have to click on the name and read that person's previous posts. Feel free to click on mine, my last post had a link to another's site which contained info re saville and political figures which sadly got lost very quickly to some long posts after but that's the way it goes with a popular, very topical thread.

concernedmom
24-11-2012, 09:48 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before. First time I've seen it. Scan of an interview with Savile from 1964. Claims to have been blown up twice in this one. Assorted interesting snippets: http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/Funkdooby_album/savilepaper.jpg



that is a strange interview even way back then and even more strange that Savile answers in the third person by referring to ' Jimmy'.

Its all little things like this that builds blocks to make tge puzzle fit together.

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 09:51 PM
I've looked into the double thing, and it is quite compelling, also, didn't they dump one member, and in comes Ringo, who I believe is Jewish (Epstein - Jewish, was involved in that IIRC) - Ringo was far more streetwise than the others, and older - I guess he would be the alpha dog in the group...

What are you getting at with Dylan and Baez, please?

Ringo isn't Jewish. Though people in the States thought he was. I thinks he was born an Anglican.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:53 PM
Support who? I don't see the current world population trend as sustainable, that's for sure. Reducing it to 500 million is another matter. Considering David Icke himself originally came from the Green movement, and still agrees with some of the goals of the Greens, I don't think it's too outlandish to point out the current trend in world population growth is damaging the environment.

Fuck the environment, it's PEOPLE that are important, and they should NOT have to live in abject poverty and die prematurely to support the elite gorging parasite class.

The guidestones are total NWO doublespeak.

They are culling us as we speak via forced vaccinations, fluoride, FDA, FED stealing our pensions, work till you drop, animals first doncha know, monsanto poison etc etc etc

They have plans to cull via wars, plagues, don't worry, they have plans for us cattle...

noncooperation
24-11-2012, 09:53 PM
I think this is quite unfair. We should be happy that more people are 'waking up'. Of course, some might be shills, but hasn't that been true throughout the history of the Icke Forum? I see you've missed off my favourite person from your list ;)

I don't really trust anyone, but I think we all need to use our own judgement and take what we read with a pinch of salt, unless there is actual proof, or we do our own research. Christ, no offense, but I don't even really trust Anders!!! It's like in Reservoir Dogs! Mr Pink: For all I know, you're the rat. Mr White: For all I know you're the fucking rat! Mr. Pink: All right, now you're using your fucking head!
xxxx
The list wasn't accusatory, I was just using it to back up my case.

Wanted genuine people to read what i had to say and watch the reaction from others.

Funny how neilvw made 2 big copy/pastes and then stopped posting but was still logged in (and only posts on this thread).

voicefromnowhere
24-11-2012, 09:53 PM
I have first hand knowledge and experience of Bryn Estyn and all things related to it. I joined because I have first hand knowledge and experience
WHAT EXACTLY HAVE THE PARANOID TURDS got to offer? Yes, look out, I just joined!

Perhaps that's because I have.... Yes, first hand knowledge and experience

Yes, have I repeated that enough?

Now, I read a lot of crap here from paranoid delusional weirdos who have been members here for ages, who are quite happy in making up stories [theorising] which is fine.

DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING BASED ON FACTS OR NOT?

By all means, have a healthy suspicion, but stop making yourself look like a total nob in the process.

I've led a reasonably good life in the 30 years since Bryn Estyn, etc, and I object to some people making it into some entertainment venue. for some of us it was very real indeed. It must be nice for you to have some fun with it all, then just go about your life.

TAKE NOTICE OF THIS POSTING.

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 09:54 PM
Hold on...can those of us on co-op's list sue?

'Hello, Andrew Reid? I've been libelled! It's terrible! Yes, £185,000 would certainly make me feel a bit better about being suspected of being a shill.' :D

presidentgas
24-11-2012, 09:55 PM
This whole stinking mess has a trail that leads to Windsor Castle and Vatican city and then some. Arguing over some old Queens treasurer whether he is a nonce when they are all blackmailed with pedophilia which makes them all 100% complicit and guilty of crimes against humanity and nature. They will use their toys in the media for as long as they still control the vile fucking entity.

If we got the lords and new years honors list and started questioning every one on there we would be heading in the right direction, and grace and favor means far more than a poxy title and free house. Royal Berkshire is the home of the monster mansions, and when this shit filter they deliberately clog up with the media unblocks there will be quite a few vacant homes and land as the crown actually owns most of it still and it gets loaned out to their Favorite jackals

That royal marionette, Cameron pretty much summed it up in front of that coke snorting stooge, Schofield. "We don't want a Witch hunt" But we do, and this time it wont be innocent women being fucking burned this time its the true monsters inc that all hide behind title and charity and enforced public favor.

Schofield would have been prompted to push Cameron that note, the normal state of play is the PM know's every move a TV puppet is about to pull until he is clearly being used or intended as being on the royal scapegoat buffet.

I live a few miles from the likes of Schofield in the Thames valley and there are a lot of "celebrity's" around here that have an insatiable craving for the marching powder and I happen to know somebody that has been helping them with this. And it's not the drugs I have issue with as far as I am concerned you can snort what you like but it's the parties that go on. This is where Ordo Templi Orientis hold huge occult parties.


Kubricks eyes wide shut was just an entree as to what really goes on at these places but people who are on the menu end up not seeing the next sunrise. Kubrick had to wait until he was dead for that expose to get out. He was a nonce who made a death bed confession. Best friends with Pete Sellers and Sellers had a conscience, that don't get you anywhere with true psychopaths.

The amount of exposures that will begin to flood about the cult of celebrity will shock to the core and some of the biggest names held up to adore by the TV and media will turn out to be some of the biggest monsters walking around still. It's not just parliament it's the entire establishment and blackmail binds them all.


When a certain squeaky clean singer now in his lat 60's and a sir who is famous for summer holidays and the darling of Vatican city and the queen mum always made sure he had a Christmas number one every year, the likes of names like that.. That's when we are getting to the real meat on the bone.

When I was a kid, and some political or celebrity scandal or other came out in the papers, my Dad would always say to me a variation of this rant:-

"They're all at it! Every single one of them! They're all in each others pockets, in each others husbands and wives, in each other, everyone's got dirt on everyone else, and when they need to, they'll stab one in the back, throw them to the papers, and while we're pointing and laughing and making jokes,or getting all steamed up and outraged, and waiting for the next juicy tidbit to come out, they're up to no good elsewhere."

Sound advice, I think. :cool:

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:56 PM
I think this is quite unfair. We should be happy that more people are 'waking up'. Of course, some might be shills, but hasn't that been true throughout the history of the Icke Forum? I see you've missed off my favourite person from your list ;)

I don't really trust anyone, but I think we all need to use our own judgement and take what we read with a pinch of salt, unless there is actual proof, or we do our own research. Christ, no offense, but I don't even really trust Anders!!! It's like in Reservoir Dogs! Mr Pink: For all I know, you're the rat. Mr White: For all I know you're the fucking rat! Mr. Pink: All right, now you're using your fucking head!
xxxx

How very DARE you!!!:p;):D

claydog
24-11-2012, 09:58 PM
I got a bad vibe from Rolf.





Yes, but if they really ran Hussein and Gaddafi, then they wouldn't both be dead.





No kidding, as they are still running the show. :rolleyes: When we finally arrive at their idea paradise we will no doubt see the light. For the record, you support them in their goals do you?





Yes, but you can't just be suspicious of all newbies. It's silly. :p





When a caretaker is no longer needed he is replaced to suit a different agenda, Bush snr did not take out Saddam until it was the right time, and Gaddafi funding Sarkozies election campaign to the sum of 50 million euro's pretty much saw his end but I bet he was shocked when they actually turned the guns on him, Kilary sorted Gaddafi because Sarkozy is a weak link they could not have that scandal, easier to kill Gaddafi than Sarkozy but it's still early days.

Look at Saddam when they hanged him.. he was as high as a kite and probably thought he was the lead in fiddler on the fucking roof, He looked like him lol..these despots are used and abused by a much darker overlord than they ever was.

Ancient Iraq is Ancient Babylon and these monsters of occultism are the NWO cult of babel, and OTO.

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 09:58 PM
I have first hand knowledge and experience of Bryn Estyn and all things related to it. I joined because I have first hand knowledge and experience
WHAT EXACTLY HAVE THE PARANOID TURDS got to offer? Yes, look out, I just joined!

Perhaps that's because I have.... Yes, first hand knowledge and experience

Yes, have I repeated that enough?

Now, I read a lot of crap here from paranoid delusional weirdos who have been members here for ages, who are quite happy in making up stories [theorising] which is fine.

DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING BASED ON FACTS OR NOT?

By all means, have a healthy suspicion, but stop making yourself look like a total nob in the process.

I've led a reasonably good life in the 30 years since Bryn Estyn, etc, and I object to some people making it into some entertainment venue. for some of us it was very real indeed. It must be nice for you to have some fun with it all, then just go about your life.

TAKE NOTICE OF THIS POSTING.

TBH, it's good that people are sceptical. Being trusting of the MSM and TPTB is why the country is run the way it is by assorted odious arseholes who turn us over at every turn. There is no question that this thread will have gained a certain amount of attention in certain quarters. If so much effort has been made to derail the MSM investigation into Savile, it's odds on the same will happen here.

real_jimmyjones
24-11-2012, 09:58 PM
I'm keeping an open mind on this. I wasn't at Bryn Estyn. I don't know you. I don't know Steve Messham.

But I would point out that even if Messham lied about being pimped out to politicians it doesn't mean that there wasn't a paedophile ring at Bryn Estyn. I've read the Waterhouse report and it was not based on the evidence of one person, but many victims.

I've bolded the bit I have a real problem with. Steve Messham was a teenager - little more than a boy. Even if he enjoyed the financial incentives - it does not mean that he wasn't being abused by those adult men in positions of power. Paedophiles use all sorts of gifts and incentives to make their victims feel that they have colluded in their abuse. In my book it doesn't deflect blame onto Messham if he did have sex for money - that is still exploitation of a minor.

The Sky News video - who was that man talking about being taken down to London from a North Wales home - Michael? He seems genuine to me - or else he is an Oscar worthy actor. He said that boys were taken to parties where very rich older men had sex with young boys - and paid money for it. He clearly shows the psychological struggle involved when you have received payment of some sort (money, burgers, sweets, affection, protection, perks) in exchange for sex. It doesn't mean he wanted to be buggered and sodomised by a bunch of dirty old men - he did what was necessary to get through it and stay alive.

This is the post I was looking for..

"Over the trips to London for sex parties apart from Stephen, I've only found 2 other accounts one by 'Paul' in the Scallywag nonsense and another by Michael who was recently interviewed on Sky TV.

44 year old Michael who was at Bersham Hall said he began being taken to the sex parties aged 12, just before Bryn Estyn closed in September 1984. If Michael is 44 then in 1984 he would have been 16, maybe he got the years wrong.

But there's more of Michael's story I query. He says they tralleved by coach on Friday's, a group of boys plus staff and went to posh properties where they met up with children from other care homes and were abused throughout the night till dawn by wealthy men.

Then during the day they were taken by some of the staff on foot around London to see the sights, before there was another sex party where they were abused again. Wouldn't these be kids who were likely to abscond, the staff were taking a significant risk transporting such a large number to London?"

@Angleseydrift

anders7777
24-11-2012, 09:59 PM
At Anders can you embed this photo of Robert Plant and Jimmy Savile please ?

http://www.allposters.fr/-sp/Led-Zeppelin-Musicians-the-Group-with-Jimmy-Savile-at-the-Melody-Maker-Awards-Affiches_i3960652_.htm

They all knew one another.

Hi

Can someone more savvy do it, I only know how to post jpgs.

Great find tho!!!

claydog
24-11-2012, 10:00 PM
When I was a kid, and some political or celebrity scandal or other came out in the papers, my Dad would always say to me a variation of this rant:-

"They're all at it! Every single one of them! They're all in each others pockets, in each others husbands and wives, in each other, everyone's got dirt on everyone else, and when they need to, they'll stab one in the back, throw them to the papers, and while we're pointing and laughing and making jokes,or getting all steamed up and outraged, and waiting for the next juicy tidbit to come out, they're up to no good elsewhere."

Sound advice, I think. :cool:


That's pretty much summed it up, Kudos to your Dad ;)

shanticat
24-11-2012, 10:00 PM
Moderator Notice

This is the second notice today asking members to stay on topic
A number of posts are going to have to be removed and i would ask you all once more to stay on track and focused

There are several other forums and you can start new threads if need be

anders7777
24-11-2012, 10:01 PM
that is a strange interview even way back then and even more strange that Savile answers in the third person by referring to ' Jimmy'.

Its all little things like this that builds blocks to make tge puzzle fit together.

Be good to get a transcript of it on here, if there are any speed demon typists? It would take me a day to do it!:(

jewellerymaker
24-11-2012, 10:01 PM
How very DARE you!!!:p;):D

:p ;) :) I knew you'd take it with good humour, that's why I wasn't scared of saying it!

Diamond geezer!
xxxx

michaelulterra
24-11-2012, 10:02 PM
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/28/2812/RSJOD00Z/affiches/led-zeppelin-musicians-the-group-with-jimmy-savile-at-the-melody-maker-awards.jpg

voicefromnowhere
24-11-2012, 10:02 PM
Voicefromnowhere is here to take your paranoid calls..... I'm waiting?

Do you want facts, or to be guided towards truth from people with knowledge or are you all just happy making shit up all your lives?

Have any of YOU been faced with a suspicious death (murder) for knowing things? How would you feel to be potentially at risk of being identified as someone who has dangerous knowledge?

Would you like to put your family at risk?

Who do you think we are dealing with here? Amateurs?

Would you like to be in the very real position some of us are in?

answer: NO, WOULD YOU FUCK!

You would probably either killed yourselves a long time ago, obtained a major drug problem, or driven yourselves mental instead..... Which actually, most of you have done, without the Bryn Estyn type of trauma. Well done.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 10:02 PM
Ringo isn't Jewish. Though people in the States thought he was. I thinks he was born an Anglican.

If so I stand corrected, I got the jewish angle I admit from some Beatles sites, may even have been the fake Paul McC site, which is well worth a read BTW...

nickeys brain
24-11-2012, 10:03 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K4gwFLP7pTQ/TqmaMsHWahI/AAAAAAAAAd8/u78ouR4wuig/s400/Bill%2Band%2BMandy%2Bwedding.jpg

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I just finished reading It’s All Over Now, the memoir of Mandy Smith, former wife of Bill Wyman. She was a model-turned-pop singer, he was the bass player for the Rolling Stones. They married in 1989, divorced in 1991, no kids.

Sounds fairly dull, right? Hardly. Mandy Smith started dating Bill Wyman when she was—wait for it—thirteen years old. Yes, you read that right. Thirteen. They met in 1984 at the British Rock and Pop Awards, where Wyman was accepting an award on behalf of another musician. Mandy and her fifteen-year-old sister Nicola had received V.I.P. passes to the event from a bouncer they were friendly with (the sisters, who looked and dressed much older than they actually were, had already been frequenting North London nightclubs for several months). Before the show started, Wyman, then 47, spotted Mandy dancing to the warm-up band and summoned her to his table. He was completely smitten with the young teenager, even after she told him her real age. He later introduced her to his famous band mates and friends, but instructed her to tell them that she was seventeen (the age of consent in England is sixteen). This wasn’t just for legal reasons, it also served to protect his credibility; the middle-aged Wyman was well known in certain circles to prefer dating “barely legal” girls of seventeen, and he was keen to maintain his reputation.

Feel like scrubbing yourself with bleach yet? Totally understandable. I often had the same urge while reading certain chapters of Smith’s tell-all book, especially when she describes having sex with Bill Wyman for the first time at his stately manor in the English countryside. She wasn’t thirteen at the time, however. Bill, old-fashioned gentleman that he was, waited until she turned fourteen to initiate a physical relationship. What a guy.

Would you let your teenage daughter date this man?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XKeSm4YxRIY/TqmVc4bGtoI/AAAAAAAAAdw/JawIhJiJ-2Q/s400/bill%2Bwyman%2Bsixties.jpg

Despite the inherent ickiness of Smith’s story, I found It’s All Over Now a truly fascinating book. This is partly because I actually remember reading about Mandy Smith in People magazine when I was thirteen. She was sixteen years old at the time and had just launched a singing career that came about after the British newspapers caught wind of her relationship with Wyman. Their affair became public shortly after the two broke up briefly in 1986, about the same time that Smith reached the age of consent. The English tabloids collectively creamed themselves and went wild for the story of the Rolling Stone and his scandalous underage fling. Smith was immediately offered a modeling contract (she was definitely gorgeous, with a sort of ‘80s Brigitte Bardot look going on). She also landed a record deal with Stock, Aitken and Waterman, the same production company responsible for Rick Astley and Kylie Minogue, and her People magazine interview was part of a publicity tour to sell her music to Americans.

I remember reading that interview, wherein the writer focused just a little on Mandy’s music and a lot on her relationship with Bill Wyman. I marveled at the fact that Mandy had been only thirteen (my age!) when she met him, and I clearly recall wondering just how in the hell I could get a grown up, real live rock star interested in me, a gawky little thing with braces and stringy hair. Of course, if I’d had the means (and the looks) that Mandy had, I wouldn’t have chosen crusty old Bill Wyman. I’d have gunned for any (or all) of the members of Duran Duran, or maybe Dave Gahan of Depeche Mode, or Andrew Ridgeley (the straight one from Wham!). Although—truth be told—I wouldn’t have been too picky. Just the idea of dating a rock star when I was thirteen years old was pretty exciting. I may have even settled for Rick Astley.

I suppose that’s what prompted me to seek out Smith’s book. I remember being that age and envying a girl who could get an adult rock start to go out with her. I know that I’d have had no qualms about dating a famous grown man when I was thirteen: I think most thirteen-year-old girls consider themselves mature enough to date the twentysomething rock stars they fantasize about. Of course, any parent worth their salt would object to the union, if—as in Mandy’s case—the fantasy became reality.

Not that she was at home obsessing over Stones albums and gazing at pin-ups of Bill Wyman (ew) and daydreaming about meeting him someday. In fact, Mandy had no idea who he was at the time they met. She had heard of the Rolling Stones but considered them to be part of her mother’s generation. After Mandy’s first encounter with Wyman at the awards show, she and her sister even considered setting him up with their mother Patsy, an attractive divorcee struggling to raise two daughters on her own (Mandy’s father—surprise!—wasn’t in the picture). Before Bill’s designs on Mandy became clear, the sisters went so far as to invite him to dinner at the modest North London council house they shared with their mother, hoping the two “old people” would hit it off.

Although Patsy Smith was bemused and flattered by the thought of a Rolling Stone dropping by for dinner, she made it clear to her daughters that she wasn’t interested in a set-up with Bill. She also didn’t seem to suspect anything funny about his intentions towards her thirteen-year-old daughter, viewing him as a nice man who’d simply taken a friendly interest in Mandy. If that’s true, Patsy is guilty of being either (at best) willfully naïve or (at worst) grossly negligent. It’s difficult to discern; I feel like the whole issue of Patsy’s culpability is a bit murky. Smith is very staunch in her defense of her mother, which is understandable, as both Patsy and Mandy were beaten up in the press quite badly, and Mandy was weary of tabloids painting her mother as a star-struck opportunist who pushed her into dating Wyman.

As far as naïveté vs. negligence, Mandy claims that she hid the true nature of her relationship with Bill from her mother during the first year that she and Wyman were dating. If that’s the case, Mandy was not yet fifteen when her mother got wise to what was happening, and still had ample time to yank her underage ass from Wyman’s clutches. But Mandy also expends a lot of ink on her mother’s mysterious illness, the same one that kept Patsy virtually bedridden for a good chunk of her daughter’s childhood and adolescence (Mandy would one day suffer a similar ailment—more on that later). Again, the details are hazy: Mandy describes her mother as perpetually frail and prone to dizzy spells and fainting, but beyond that, her “illness” was never adequately diagnosed (Mandy later says that her mother was able to control her symptoms by adhering to a strict diet). Smith blames her mother’s lack of involvement on her poor health, essentially saying that she just didn’t have the energy to monitor Mandy’s relationship with Bill.

Honestly, I’m not sure what to think about her mother’s role in all of this. I don’t buy the tabloid claims of Patsy Smith as a calculating, gold-digging mom-pimp, but I can’t quite swallow Mandy’s story of her mother as a fragile invalid who was too weak and/or ignorant to put the kibosh on her young daughter’s romance with a middle-aged man. Both scenarios are possible, but I’m inclined to believe it’s only a pinch of the former and just a little more of the latter. I also believe that Wyman’s money and celebrity status caused Patsy to look the other way in a lot of instances where parental common sense should have prevailed.

There were, however, quite a few other adults involved in this fiasco, and they failed Mandy pretty hardcore. The entire Stones entourage quickly learned that the sweet young thing on Bill’s arm was a really young thing, and (apart from some rude jokes) they did nothing to discourage the union. In fact, all they really did was cover Wyman’s ass and keep things on the down-low when outsiders were around, just to ensure that no one got any bright ideas about running to the press. When someone did go running to the press, it was—oddly enough—another teenager. In 1986, during Smith and Wyman’s brief break-up, one of Mandy’s friends went round to the British tabloids with the story of a girl he knew who had dated one of the Rolling Stones while she was underage. That’s when the proverbial shit hit the fan and the Rolling Stones publicity machine came out in full force to protect its own, making certain that it was Mandy who was portrayed as the sketchy one: a wild child who partied in nightclubs and lied about her age, a money-grubbing “teen temptress” who seduced Bill Wyman and led him astray with her underage charms. (Seriously, a teen temptress? Whatever, Professor Humbert. Please proceed to hell.)

But for Mrs. Smith’s seriously flawed parenting and the sleaziness of the Stones’ minders and publicists, I feel the real villain in this sordid tale is Bill Wyman himself. There are many reasons for this, the most glaringly obvious one being that she was thirteen years old, you pervert.

And if it seems like I’m of two minds on this, I apologize for being unclear. As I said earlier, when I was thirteen years old, the thought of someone my age getting a grown-up rock star boyfriend sounded pretty fucking badass. But again, I was thirteen years old. I wore frosted denim and striped Keds. A lot of things that seemed cool at the time weren’t cool at all, and it wasn’t just because it was the ‘80s. It was because I was a clueless thirteen-year-old kid, just like Mandy Smith. Well, not just like her—I was a thirteen-year-old who looked a lot younger than I was, and she was a thirteen-year-old who could pass for seventeen. But still—and I can’t emphasize this enough—she was thirteen years old and seriously Bill Wyman, that shit is nasty.

Really, I could go on and on about this and no matter how you spin it, there’s no excuse for an adult, any adult—middle-aged or not—to go after a thirteen-year-old kid. I mean, sixteen? Yeah, it’s icky, but (in England) it’s legal. Fifteen? Pretty fucked up. Fourteen? Royally fucked up. But THIRTEEN? Christ on a cracker, that’s what people used to laugh at Michael Jackson for. It’s weird that the scandal was hardly covered in the States aside from the brief write-up in People magazine (and again here when Smith and Wyman married in 1989). And in the UK tabloids it was just a lot of slut-shaming and unimaginative “Lolita” comparisons for Mandy, while Bill Wyman’s personal and professional reputation suffered nary a scratch.

Putting aside Mandy’s underage status, if that’s possible (it isn’t, but bear with me), she and Bill were never exactly a match made in heaven. From their first meeting to their rocky courtship to their doomed marriage, Bill’s treatment of Mandy was truly reprehensible. He was possessive and controlling, given to throwing jealous fits anytime another guy looked at her sideways, yet he had no problem stealing off to bang one of his numerous ex-girlfriends or any Stones groupie who happened to catch his eye. He expected Mandy to be at his beck and call, always standing by whenever he required her services for sex or companionship, and he repaid her by being suspicious, cold, and aloof. He was also quite the manipulator, frequently employing the old “come here/go away” game, and following it up with the inevitable “WAIT! DON’T LEAVE ME!” refrain anytime she called his bluff. With regard to their disastrous relationship, I think it’s apropos to invoke sex columnist Dan Savage’s “campsite rule,” a decree stating that, in relationships with a large age disparity (ten years or more), “the elder partner should leave the younger in better shape than they found them.” Using that analogy, Bill Wyman not only left the campsite in complete ruin, he littered it with used condoms, cigarette butts, and empty beer cans, then pissed all over the bonfire pit.

The impetus for their 1986 break-up was when Bill, after yet another period of clandestine whoring, contracted a case of the crabs. Instead of biting the bullet and telling his girlfriend so she could at least get herself treated, Bill—bizarrely—went behind Mandy’s back and called her mother. This prompted a visit from Patsy, who came round to Bill and Mandy’s flat (Bill was out of town, conveniently) and sat her teenage daughter down for a supremely awkward, hilarious, horrifying conversation about the “little animals” Bill claimed he had caught from Mandy. Apparently Wyman, hoping to avoid a shitstorm (and banking on Patsy’s ignorance), blamed his pubic lice on a pair of second-hand jeans Mandy had purchased a few weeks earlier. Okay, back up a minute. Think about this: the man pounds groupies like it’s his job, gets a nasty case of crotch crickets, tries to mind-fuck his girlfriend (and her mother) by blaming it on used jeans, then handily skips town. Talk about mind-fuckery; that shit is positively Machiavellian.

It was the semi-final straw. Mandy called Bill, told him to fuck right off, then packed up her stuff and moved out. Shortly after that, her enterprising young friend sold her out to the press. And that’s when Mandy—no longer with Bill but now saddled with a level of fame that made normal daily life impossible—found herself surrounded by loads of photographers, agents, and record promoters who smelled money.

While the modeling career was a no-brainer: she was tall, thin, and cute, with a now-recognizable face (in England, anyway), her foray into pop music was another story. Her song “Positive Reaction”—which hit #39 in Germany, failed to chart in the UK and didn’t go anywhere near the US Hot 100—is below and…well, to put it delicately, her singing makes Britney Spears sound like Barbra Streisand.


To be fair though, I doubt anyone involved in Smith’s music career thought they had stumbled upon the next Streisand, or even the next Minogue. Mandy Smith wasn’t Susan Boyle: she didn’t “dream a dream” and blow away a panel of judges with the sheer force of her vocal talent. Smith was, in her own words, largely viewed as “a sultry starlet of dubious repute”. Some cynical industry types saw the chance to make a quick buck off an attractive young girl embroiled in a sex scandal with a world-famous musician, and totally ran with it.

Boy, did they run with it.

Although Mandy’s music never found an audience in the US, it wasn’t just due to the overall crappiness of the songs (after all, we yanks were busy making Tiffany famous at the time, so what did we know from taste?). There were other problems standing in the way of her stardom. On a promotional tour of the US, Mandy began to suffer dizzy spells, heart palpitations, shortness of breath, and a host of other maladies that read like an extensive list of Viagara side effects. When she finally collapsed in a Miami hotel room, her handlers scrapped the rest of the tour and sent her home to England to recuperate. It was then that—weary from life on the road, malnourished from months of take-away food, and exhausted from lack of sleep—Mandy found herself depressed and, at age eighteen, pining for the first and only boyfriend she’d ever had: Bill Wyman.

So Mandy called up Bill, they reconnected, and—because love is blind, deaf, dumb, and legally insane—soon found herself back together with him, just as if his womanizing, his mood swings, his crabs, and his callous treatment of her had never happened. They even started making wedding plans, Bill promising all the while that he had changed, that everything would be different this time.

In the end, of course, nothing was different. After a big frou-frou fairytale wedding, the Wyman-Smith marriage went straight down the toilet and right into the sewer.

Bill was just as cold and distant as ever, paying attention to Mandy only when he wanted sex and freezing her out anytime she failed to submit to his libido. Mandy’s health also began to worsen; she was rapidly losing weight and unable to determine why. Although there were whisperings among Bill’s Rolling Stones compatriots that she had an eating disorder—Ronnie Wood’s wife Jo, shocked by Mandy’s increasingly gaunt appearance, even cornered her and demanded, “You’re anorexic, aren’t you?”—she repeatedly insists that this wasn’t the case.

Smith devotes several pages to her sickness, her numerous doctor visits and her lengthy hospitalization, but is ultimately rather vague about her diagnosis. She writes of having “violent reactive allergies” and her doctor running a battery of allergy tests, finding her allergic to “dogs, cats, fumes, cigarette smoke, dust and mildew,” along with having dietary sensitivities to fats, sugars, and dairy products. She alludes to having “an underlying cause that made (her) susceptible to these allergies,” and that her mum, who had a similar history of unexplained illnesses, was the only one who truly believed her.

I’ve read and re-read the passages where Mandy talks about her symptoms and her illness, and I’m still not quite clear what was going on there. I don’t think she was imagining or exaggerating her health issues; I think it’s at least possible she was suffering from some weird environmental allergies, as her mother may have done. I mean, I saw the movie Safe; I know that a person can develop life-threatening allergies seemingly out of nowhere. I also know that Western medicine tends to be a bit skeptical and dismissive of such things, so I can see how she may not have been able to obtain an adequate diagnosis from her doctors. But, based on my own experiences with dysfunctional relationships (and my armchair psychologist’s intuition) I think Mandy’s main affliction was mental. She’d spent years under the thumb of an emotionally abusive dickweed, from the impressionable age of thirteen up until age twenty, and it was finally taking its toll, both physically and mentally, consuming her from the inside out.

Despite addressing some very serious themes, Mandy’s story is not all gloom and doom. Like any good showbiz tell-all, It’s All Over Now is chock full of some fantastic behind-the-scenes dirt. I loved reading her backstage musings on the other Rolling Stones. She describes drummer Charlie Watts as sweet, easy-going, and usually drunk; while Woody (Ron Wood, the band’s rhythm guitarist) was cheerful and gregarious and always game for a laugh. Mandy had less affection for Mick and Keith, however. She recalls Mick as something of a prick, to put it mildly, while Keith “seemed to be on another planet. If he was not on drugs, then he had the mad, blank look of someone who ought to have been. He was always out of reach, on some cosmic ray somewhere.” Sounds about right, from what I’ve seen of his interviews.

There’s also a great scene where Mandy and Bill are at a fancy London soiree with the other Rolling Stones and an impressive cross-section of rock royalty. Mick Jagger, in one of his “bitchy moods,” stands on the sidelines gossiping with David Bowie. Mandy catches Jagger glaring at her, then overhears him reveal her age (fourteen at the time) to Bowie, who does a spit-take into his glass of wine. The two of them saunter over, and Jagger sneers at Bill, “Innit about time you took her home? Past her bedtime, innit?” He and Bowie then scurry away, cackling like a pair of old ladies.

Yeah, I can totally see that.

Mandy’s stories of hanging out with the other Stones’ wives are also quite amusing. She talks about Jerry Hall, the famed 1970’s supermodel who was then married to Jagger. Mandy found it funny that—while Mick talked a good game—it was Jerry who was in complete control of their relationship. Hall was a bossy, brassy Texas girl who endlessly referred to Jagger as “mah may-un” and kept him on a very short leash, especially when other women were around. Good to see there was someone who could put Jagger in his place, at least for a while.

The Stones’ gossip is fun, but the juiciest, most awesome part of the book by far—in my opinion—is a story from Mandy’s “hen night” (Brit-speak for bachelorette party) a few nights prior to her 1989 wedding to Bill Wyman. She was celebrating her last night out as a single woman, partying it up with her girlfriends and several female relatives at Tramp, a ritzy London nightclub that was also a popular celebrity hang-out. Mandy hit the dance floor with her Aunt Adrian, when who should come bounding up but—seriously!—Simon Le Bon and John Taylor(!). So Mandy and Aunt Adrian dance with the boys for a while, giggling and whooping it up, then John Taylor (John fucking Taylor!) grabs Mandy close and starts nuzzling her neck:

This was no joke, I realized with a start. He was actually coming on to me and coming on strong. I gently pushed him away and held him at arm’s length. “Steady, John,” I told him. “I’m on my hen night!”

He started to laugh. “Well, we’d better get a move on, there’s no time to waste,” he replied in earnest.

Holy shit, that reads like Duran Duran fan fiction, torn straight out of my journal at age fourteen. I seriously would’ve killed to have had that encounter with John Taylor back then. On a separate note, can you imagine how surreal that would be? It’s 1989 and you’re out at a club, just having fun and enjoying your hen night, when the two foxiest members of Duran Duran appear out of nowhere and start horning in on you and your aunt (!?!). Needless to say, Mandy didn’t take John up on his generous offer. Somehow she resisted, even when he later “pressed his phone number into my hand and suggested that we go out.” (As a lifelong Duranie, this information really isn’t all that surprising: judging by the timeline, this was would have been just before John took up with Amanda de Cadenet. Clearly, he had a thing for barely-legal blondes.)

So whatever became of Mandy Smith? Well, she and Bill split for good in 1991, although they only spent a few weeks living under the same roof together after the wedding. Smith received 20,000 pounds in the divorce settlement, most of which went towards her extensive medical bills. Her health improved steadily in the months following her divorce, and she claims to have learned to manage her illness through a careful diet--as her mother did--avoiding yeast products and eventually becoming a strict vegan. Smith moved on romantically as well; in 1993 she married Pat van den Hauwe, a professional UK footballer, although they separated two years later, divorcing in 1997 (both have spoken publicly about van den Hauwe’s problems with drugs and alcohol, which played a part in the demise of their marriage). Professionally, Mandy worked as a television presenter throughout the nineties and, in recent years, as a makeup artist. She now lives in Manchester (Brooko shout-out!) and runs a PR firm with her sister Nicola. She also has a ten-year-old son, Max, the product of a brief relationship with Vanity Fair model Ian Mosby.

She’s still very pretty, looks much healthier and no longer wears that vaguely haunted, glassy-eyed expression apparent in some of her photographs with Bill. It seems she’s settled down and made peace with her past and the unhealthy, emotionally abusive relationship that thrust her into the limelight all those years ago.

I hope so, anyway. I like Mandy.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MzR1NEiXYSM/TqmTeRgV4GI/AAAAAAAAAdY/FdNCM60_Uis/s400/Mandy%2BSmith%2BTODAY.jpg

newjersey
24-11-2012, 10:04 PM
Notice i am being ignored so far by the newbies?
and how about those 2 huge copy/pastes huh? a sure sign for me.

Everytime i posted a question at jimmyjones i got the same thing, huge copy and paste jobs so the page changes pretty quick and pushing posts into oblivion, of course it could be coincidence, then again..............

anders7777
24-11-2012, 10:04 PM
The list wasn't accusatory, I was just using it to back up my case.

Wanted genuine people to read what i had to say and watch the reaction from others.

Funny how neilvw made 2 big copy/pastes and then stopped posting but was still logged in (and only posts on this thread).

For those that don't know, it's called forum sliding...

Read the guide in the link, real eye opener... Gentleetc Guide

nobodyswife
24-11-2012, 10:05 PM
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/28/2812/RSJOD00Z/affiches/led-zeppelin-musicians-the-group-with-jimmy-savile-at-the-melody-maker-awards.jpg

Thanks !

phantom
24-11-2012, 10:05 PM
Hi

Can someone more savvy do it, I only know hoe to post jpgs.

Great find tho!!!

Here you go!

http://s10.postimage.org/9uc9ilpyh/savile_led_zeppelin.png

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 10:06 PM
You are the same as 4 others I randomly chose from my list - only posting on this thread - just a coincidence I suppose, nothing to worry about.

I only have time to post on this thread. I've read all of it, since the very beginning and I think some of the ideas I've posted have been quite good and have certainly never intended to derail the thread. :o

I had a very strange and abusive childhood and it's beyond most 'normal' people's comprehension. I gravitated towards this thread because I thought the people on here understood that there are some very evil things happening in the world and have a general idea of who is behind it all. Whereas most of my friends haven't a clue about secret societies and paedophile rings and so it isn't something I can talk about easily with them.

trafficker
24-11-2012, 10:06 PM
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/28/2812/RSJOD00Z/affiches/led-zeppelin-musicians-the-group-with-jimmy-savile-at-the-melody-maker-awards.jpg


Fucking whats that his wearing, and again wheres his -ock

electric_lady
24-11-2012, 10:06 PM
Heather Mills said in an interview(I think the rant on GMTV) that she was protecting him but she has had enough now, and she was ready to blow the lid on it all. Or words to that effect.

GMTV RANT HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVUDXZfdObw

She did indeed say she had had enough of protecting Paul.

She also said she was gagged by the family courts in terms of discussing anything related to her daughter.

chuchichastli
24-11-2012, 10:07 PM
Fuck the environment, it's PEOPLE that are important, and they should NOT have to live in abject poverty and die prematurely to support the elite gorging parasite class.

The guidestones are total NWO doublespeak.

They are culling us as we speak via forced vaccinations, fluoride, FDA, FED stealing our pensions, work till you drop, animals first doncha know, monsanto poison etc etc etc

They have plans to cull via wars, plagues, don't worry, they have plans for us cattle...

With respect, I don't agree with the fuck the environment bit, although I agree with everything else.

We should make a greater effort to live harmoniously with the environment, and we should take responsibility for it. We have a problem of distribution, not one of supply. There is enough for all 7 billion of us but not if we have a 'fuck the environment' attitude.

harrypalmer
24-11-2012, 10:10 PM
Hmmm, so you're saying these bastards that be (TPTB), are putting this stuff on there to bring in tighter restrictions? Mmm, perhaps you're right. But I'm sure there's also 'normal' paedos in there too.

Whatever - it all fucking stinks and I'm getting lost in the mire. :(
xxx

From what I've heard I believe there are false profiles that are being used for this purpose.

consider this: a friend, who is an avid user of social media receives a friend request from a female profile he has never heard of, she has some mutuals though and she appears to be an attractive woman in her 20's so he adds her. The profile has thousands of friends, but doesnt seem to have any real world connection with anyone, not tagged in pics etc.
The Mcalpine/newsnight story breaks and 'she' posts graphic pictures of children being abused accompanied by vapid comments such as "omg this is disgusting" and "this guys going to hell lol". 'she' posts the same on twitter, other users who may also be plants or simply people without morals who are already normalised to this kind of thing retweet or comment the images, everyone else reports her. The profile is gone within hours. Friend is left feeling very traumatized and distraught and no longer feels comfortable using social media. Besides being sickened by seeing things he never wanted to see he becomes afraid the police are going to kick in his door because of it.
Then a former work colleague tells me an almost identical story, involving a another 'attractive female' profile, same disturbing images, similar banal comments. He actually printed off a screenshot of her profile and handed it to the police before the account vanished.

suspicious?

I sympathize with that last sentence jewellerymaker, I was beginning to feel very crushed under the weight of all this last week, but I think its important to stay strong, level headed, positive and proactive. I remember someone early in the thread speculating whether there was an element of trauma based control in all this. I think they may be right, in which case traumatised, powerless and in moral panic is exactly where they want us.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 10:10 PM
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/28/2812/RSJOD00Z/affiches/led-zeppelin-musicians-the-group-with-jimmy-savile-at-the-melody-maker-awards.jpg

Nice one, for the record, how do you post a doc? Or did you look at the source html and nick the jpg?

Ta

white horse
24-11-2012, 10:11 PM
Heather Mills said in an interview(I think the rant on GMTV) that she was protecting him but she has had enough now, and she was ready to blow the lid on it all. Or words to that effect.


This is the speculation as to why, the big secret.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102300

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=103430

About 3:20 is the bit you refer to. Is this the big secret Heather Mills refers to?
(NB Sourpuss Fiona Philips can barely contain her distaste of Mills!)
Heather Mills GMTV Rant (Part 3 of 3) - YouTube

With that in mind, watch John Lennon "Gimme Some Truth"
See here;
George Harrison
John Lennon "Gimme Some Truth" - Part 5/7 (HQ) - YouTube pops in during recording:
4:40 check out the bannter...
John mentions the Fab Four... George Harrison buts in with 'Fab Three'.
Then John plays George his new nasty song "How do you Sleep" openly written about Paul, but maybe not for the reasons we know. (Check the next part for the visciousness with which he plays the song...)

Good article here:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html
Note from Eric Hufschmid:

Last year the cover-story of Wired Italia, the Italian edition of the US magazine Wired, was about two Italian researchers who tried to disprove the conspiracy theory that Paul McCartney had been replaced by an impostor. A man in Italy considered the article to have a lot of valuable information, and so he sent me a summary of it. His article is below (I edited it a bit). This article ought to get you wondering, "


Pushing slightly off topic, but it's part of the fakery of celebdom. And besides, McCartney has thrown HIMSELF into our thread! He has now stuck his head above the parapet. And if ALL the celebs who could have done that, fuck me, non, not even Bonio or MJ, has had more words written about them at DIF than PFaul, eh Mods? ;)

(Interesting that one of the comments on a Heather Mills Youtube vid claimed the secret would be revealed in November 2012.)

Now Faul has stuck his head above the parapet... why? Sure, us and other sites have been circulating photos of the Beatles in the early days with Vile. Surely the advice would have been to maintain silence like all the others. Or is it that with an increasingly high profile and packed touring schedule, McFaul fears he is bound to be confronted by someone asking the question about his early days and photos of saVile, so his aim is to get the message out there under his own steam, and then he can just repeat his own prepared meme ad infinitum "we always knew he was a bit odd/all Beatles groupies were over 16/no more to add/job done/ca$h ca$h ca$h"

But no... newbies here who are thinking the controversy is may be that he is implicated in the Savile furore in some way... no... the thing with Faul, he doesn't want too much scrutiny, We may not be winning the MSM battle, but this topic is bringing huge numbers downwards in a search for information. And in these waters of the internet you'll find convincing stories about people you wont find elsewhere.

illuminumnuts
24-11-2012, 10:12 PM
Glean information? Why is anyone using this forum? To show off their prized pictures of 3-layered iced cake for the Women's Institute Sunday Tea party in the local Church? It's about putting pieces together. What kind of blatantly slow individual (retard) would make a statement like that?

That is one of the things cointelpro posters will some times try to do to identify who it posting comments.



Well its pretty inevitable after Savile hit the MSM in Oct2012 alot of newbies would join this forum isnt it? And anyway,its not as if long term posters cant be sleepers. I couldnt give a fuck.I'll post what and when i like and am happy to let others take what they wish from them. Very hard for anyone on any fora to prove their bona-fides so lets just get on with it.Arseholes and shills invariably reveal themselves anyway.

Yes, invariably they do one way or the other.



Support who? I don't see the current world population trend as sustainable, that's for sure. Reducing it to 500 million is another matter. Considering David Icke himself originally came from the Green movement, and still agrees with some of the goals of the Greens, I don't think it's too outlandish to point out the current trend in world population growth is damaging the environment.

Do you support the New World Order that the powers that be are currently trying to impose and not far from achieving?



When a caretaker is no longer needed he is replaced to suit a different agenda.

Saddam wasn't a caretaker or they wouldn't have had to take him out. Is Assad a caretaker too? :rolleyes:



44 year old Michael who was at Bersham Hall said he began being taken to the sex parties aged 12, just before Bryn Estyn closed in September 1984. If Michael is 44 then in 1984 he would have been 16, maybe he got the years wrong.

No, he could have been 16 and he could also have been 15. :)

dentedarthur
24-11-2012, 10:12 PM
I get the point that McAlpine cannot be linked to BE and so that makes the whole thing false to people looking on,but what I was getting at is why use Alistair McAlpines name in the first place.They could have used anyones for that matter.Or has he allowed his name to be used for some reason. Is this the double bluff regarding him and his scummy mates and that within those in control of this there are certain factions wanting different outcomes. I am not suggesting you would know and I am simply putting a suggestion forward,but did you ever hear of or suspect there was high level involvement.

given that newsnight didn't name said lord, but the name came out anyway, internet blamed, of course they used McAlpines name, it was mud anyway since scallywag days, no need to drag any other names out unnecessarily.

wouldn't be at all surprised if lordy in question is seriouslly ill or terminal anyway., doesn't look in the best of health. If he kicks the bucket soon, sympathy will abound from some quarters, and the finger of blame will be wagging this way.

p.s. also joined in october, course bloody did, the savile story breaking is the biggest thing since, well, longer than the 50 years john simpson was quoted as saying.

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 10:14 PM
This is the post I was looking for..

"Over the trips to London for sex parties apart from Stephen, I've only found 2 other accounts one by 'Paul' in the Scallywag nonsense and another by Michael who was recently interviewed on Sky TV.

44 year old Michael who was at Bersham Hall said he began being taken to the sex parties aged 12, just before Bryn Estyn closed in September 1984. If Michael is 44 then in 1984 he would have been 16, maybe he got the years wrong.

But there's more of Michael's story I query. He says they tralleved by coach on Friday's, a group of boys plus staff and went to posh properties where they met up with children from other care homes and were abused throughout the night till dawn by wealthy men.

Then during the day they were taken by some of the staff on foot around London to see the sights, before there was another sex party where they were abused again. Wouldn't these be kids who were likely to abscond, the staff were taking a significant risk transporting such a large number to London?"

@Angleseydrift

I don't know Michael - I can only respond instinctively to what he is saying and how he is saying it. He doesn't seem to be acting to me. Also, as someone who was abused, a lot of what he says rings true.

Yes, I'm sure there was a risk of them absconding - but where would they go? They'd be picked up by the police and taken back into care.

I never once thought of running away as a child - abusers make you feel dependent on them. They narrow your options down until you think what is happening is normal and that there is no alternative available. They did such a good job on me that I haven't ever been in a non-abusive relationship as an adult - I felt "safe" with what I knew - I'd found my comfort zone as perpetual "victim".

anders7777
24-11-2012, 10:17 PM
With respect, I don't agree with the fuck the environment bit, although I agree with everything else.

We should make a greater effort to live harmoniously with the environment, and we should take responsibility for it. We have a problem of distribution, not one of supply. There is enough for all 7 billion of us but not if we have a 'fuck the environment' attitude.

I am semi serious, because it is NOT us NORMAL human beings destroying the environment, it is the elite gorging parasite class!

The very ones that wrote the guidestones!!!

What a laugh!

I worked for the airlines for decades, and did probably <1000 flights, been most places and it always struck me, looking out the window, as how EMPTY the world is - really, just try it some day, humans are mostly beside rivers and the sea, the rest of the countries are empty, and could sustain in many cases probably billions more people. I'm dead against the NWO parasites wanting to murder 6.5 billion people so they can live in a luxury theme park with servants on 24 hr call.

They want a return to feudalism and serfs.

phantom
24-11-2012, 10:20 PM
Nice one, for the record, how do you post a doc? Or did you look at the source html and nick the jpg?

Ta

Looked at the source html and nicked the jpg

Then I changed the size of the image before uploading it via postimage.org

jewellerymaker
24-11-2012, 10:24 PM
This is the speculation as to why, the big secret.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102300

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=103430

About 3:20 is the bit you refer to. Is this the big secret Heather Mills refers to?
(NB Sourpuss Fiona Philips can barely contain her distaste of Mills!)
Heather Mills GMTV Rant (Part 3 of 3) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gl2iq3KTs8&feature=fvwrel)

With that in mind, watch John Lennon "Gimme Some Truth"
See here;
George Harrison
John Lennon "Gimme Some Truth" - Part 5/7 (HQ) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDhQ56OwDLY&feature=relmfu) pops in during recording:
4:40 check out the bannter...
John mentions the Fab Four... George Harrison buts in with 'Fab Three'.
Then John plays George his new nasty song "How do you Sleep" openly written about Paul, but maybe not for the reasons we know. (Check the next part for the visciousness with which he plays the song...)

Good article here:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html


Pushing slightly off topic, but it's part of the fakery of celebdom. And besides, McCartney has thrown HIMSELF into our thread! He has now stuck his head above the parapet. And if ALL the celebs who could have done that, fuck me, non, not even Bonio or MJ, has had more words written about them at DIF than PFaul, eh Mods? ;)

(Interesting that one of the comments on a Heather Mills Youtube vid claimed the secret would be revealed in November 2012.)

Now Faul has stuck his head above the parapet... why? Sure, us and other sites have been circulating photos of the Beatles in the early days with Vile. Surely the advice would have been to maintain silence like all the others. Or is it that with an increasingly high profile and packed touring schedule, McFaul fears he is bound to be confronted by someone asking the question about his early days and photos of saVile, so his aim is to get the message out there under his own steam, and then he can just repeat his own prepared meme ad infinitum "we always knew he was a bit odd/all Beatles groupies were over 16/no more to add/job done/ca$h ca$h ca$h"

But no... newbies here who are thinking the controversy is may be that he is implicated in the Savile furore in some way... no... the thing with Faul, he doesn't want too much scrutiny, We may not be winning the MSM battle, but this topic is bringing huge numbers downwards in a search for information. And in these waters of the internet you'll find convincing stories about people you wont find elsewhere.

Funny how she mentioned Hillsborough.....

I've had no time for this woman before now, but watching that clip did bring a tear to my eye. I know what it's like to talk about killing yourself - you do choke up immediately, as she did. McCartney is probably everything we're saying he is. cunt. I wish she'd release all the info, but I'm sure she's just scared for her child.
xxx

noncooperation
24-11-2012, 10:25 PM
Fucking whats that his wearing, and again wheres his -ock
Robert Plant wore his trousers so tight he had no where to put his hankie, except in the middle!

neilvw
24-11-2012, 10:25 PM
Oh, i got a reaction there - trying to push my post up the page with a couple of large copy/pastes neilvw?

List of those joined since october 2012:

The list wasn't accusatory, I was just using it to back up my case.

Wanted genuine people to read what i had to say and watch the reaction from others.

Funny how neilvw made 2 big copy/pastes and then stopped posting but was still logged in (and only posts on this thread).

For those that don't know, it's called forum sliding...

Read the guide in the link, real eye opener... Gentleetc Guide

As I'm being singled out I feel the need to comment. Yes I posted 3 large blocks of text (all related to Savile), and in the first post I apologised for the length of text and suggested to the mods that a 'spoiler' fuction (as per Digital Spy) would be useful to compress such text in future, so only those who wanted to see all of it need do so.

Before posting I didn't even see noncooperation's post which I allegedly wished to force up the page. This thread moves very quickly as we all know. I have been catching up hence remaining online but not having posted since.

Yes I joined fairly recently, in the wake of the Savile story breaking and things not adding up. The same is true of many.

In any case, everyone should read all the posts if they can (I have done so for the last several hundred pages). That way anyone's dastardly plan to 'forum slide' can be foiled. :cool:

EDIT: And I only post in this thread - correct. It's the biggest and best, and long may it remain so.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 10:26 PM
Looked at the source html and nicked the jpg

Then I changed the size of the image before uploading it via postimage.org

Great - luv the avatar!!!:D:p

voicefromnowhere
24-11-2012, 10:29 PM
"I never once thought of running away as a child - abusers make you feel dependent on them. They narrow your options down until you think what is happening is normal and that there is no alternative available."

LOL!

I used to escape as often as possible, using every single sly, ingenious method known to man. There was NO SECURE UNIT IN THE COUNTRY that could retain me for any period of time.

claydog
24-11-2012, 10:29 PM
Funny how she mentioned Hillsborough.....

I've had no time for this woman before now, but watching that clip did bring a tear to my eye. I know what it's like to talk about killing yourself - you do choke up immediately, as she did. McCartney is probably everything we're saying he is. cunt. I wish she'd release all the info, but I'm sure she's just scared for her child.
xxx


McCartney is a true occultists and so is Bono and Elton John and there are plenty more but they are the glitterati of vileness. the rest hang on their coat tails.

Oh and your fucking name is Gordon, not sting you cunt.. Look at them all and don't try and convince me they are not fucking wronguns.. the shit filter has unblocked..I am sick to my gut of champagne socialists who are really true satanic monsters..

Savile was a black prince to these fuckers..

anders7777
24-11-2012, 10:29 PM
GMTV RANT HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVUDXZfdObw

She did indeed say she had had enough of protecting Paul.

She also said she was gagged by the family courts in terms of discussing anything related to her daughter.

The fact she picked the word "paedophile" when talking about her treatment, to me was an unsubtle message to tell certain folks to back off... and what exactly is she protecting?

shanticat
24-11-2012, 10:31 PM
Moderator Notice

Once more guys, stay on topic

We have allowed for the friendly chit chat as part of the community spirit, but
some of the newcomers (even old timers) might like to take another look at our forum rules and etiquette.

The last thing we want to do is close the thread to give us time to remove all the off topic posts

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 10:31 PM
I give up.....

"the Truth is out there, if you can get your head out of your arse and look"

As I said - I am open-minded about it.

illuminumnuts
24-11-2012, 10:31 PM
Voicefromnowhere is here to take your paranoid calls..... I'm waiting? Do you want facts, or to be guided towards truth from people with knowledge or are you all just happy making shit up all your lives? Have any of YOU been faced with a suspicious death (murder) for knowing things? How would you feel to be potentially at risk of being identified as someone who has dangerous knowledge? Would you like to put your family at risk? Who do you think we are dealing with here? Amateurs? Would you like to be in the very real position some of us are in? answer: NO, WOULD YOU FUCK!

The point is that we are all at risk from their global matrix. :rolleyes:



For those that don't know, it's called forum sliding. Read the guide in the link, real eye opener. Gentle etc Guide.

If you are making progress with people in popular chat rooms, then they will start flooding there as well. :)

The fact she picked the word "paedophile" when talking about her treatment, to me was an unsubtle message to tell certain folks to back off... and what exactly is she protecting?

I missed that interview for some reason. Very telling. :eek:

dentedarthur
24-11-2012, 10:32 PM
I give up....."

don't give up jimmyjones

the abuse is systematic, accross the WHOLE
not just bryn estyn, byrn alyn, bersham hall
almost EVERY so called care home in North Wales and further afield
(read one person's blog about being placed in a small home in Llandudno with caring 'uncle' and 'aunt')
then and now

bellahunter
24-11-2012, 10:33 PM
"I never once thought of running away as a child - abusers make you feel dependent on them. They narrow your options down until you think what is happening is normal and that there is no alternative available."

LOL!

I used to escape as often as possible, using every single sly, ingenious method known to man. There was NO SECURE UNIT IN THE COUNTRY that could retain me for any period of time.

Yee ha!

Well done.

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 10:33 PM
"I never once thought of running away as a child - abusers make you feel dependent on them. They narrow your options down until you think what is happening is normal and that there is no alternative available."

LOL!

I used to escape as often as possible, using every single sly, ingenious method known to man. There was NO SECURE UNIT IN THE COUNTRY that could retain me for any period of time.

Good for you. I'm glad they didn't break your spirit. They did mine. I should also point out that my abusers were my family, not strangers in a care home.

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 10:33 PM
Something to lighten the mood a little - the Jimmy Savile Story: http://s219.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/Funkdooby_album/?action=view&current=savilestory.jpg

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 10:33 PM
They are culling us as we speak via forced vaccinations, fluoride, FDA, FED stealing our pensions, work till you drop, animals first doncha know, monsanto poison etc etc etc

They have plans to cull via wars, plagues, don't worry, they have plans for us cattle...

As I said, if that's their plan, they're clearly not doing a very good job so far.

claydog
24-11-2012, 10:35 PM
"I never once thought of running away as a child - abusers make you feel dependent on them. They narrow your options down until you think what is happening is normal and that there is no alternative available."

LOL!

I used to escape as often as possible, using every single sly, ingenious method known to man. There was NO SECURE UNIT IN THE COUNTRY that could retain me for any period of time.


I burned through a few pairs of standard issue plimsolls myself..

Who ever said they don't run away has never been a victim, some people are drawn to nastiness but victims don't fucking cling to them this is what trauma does not normal sociable behavior, and the establishment has been traumatizing kids for centuries. It's one thing they do well and consistently, fuck with the young.. Until we wake up and lock the cunts in a hole and let them offer live TV confessions for all their crimes against humanity and nature, they created somewhere perfect for this and that is GITMO. Let them all rot there in orange jumpsuits they fucking built the place so it's only fair they get to see it from the inside.

electric_lady
24-11-2012, 10:37 PM
The fact she picked the word "paedophile" when talking about her treatment, to me was an unsubtle message to tell certain folks to back off... and what exactly is she protecting?

Yes, I thought that too... then forgot to mention it when I posted. People often pick words that happen to be on their minds - for other reasons.

As for Elton: hold me closer tiny dancer. BARF.

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 10:40 PM
Anyway - back on topic.

Savile was a pervert and Satanist and really good 'friends' with Prince Charles, whom I also believe to be a pervert and a Satanist.

How's the research going?

jewellerymaker
24-11-2012, 10:40 PM
Yes, I thought that too... then forgot to mention it when I posted. People often pick words that happen to be on their minds - for other reasons.

As for Elton: hold me closer tiny dancer. BARF.

Oh bloody great. That's my all time fave song! :rolleyes::)
xxx

noncooperation
24-11-2012, 10:41 PM
Don't do this, don't fall for the Divide and Conquer thing. Sure, there are plenty of suspicious postings here - I agree - and no doubt it is right to challenge people from time to time.

But please don't tar all of us Johnny Come Latelys with a negative brush or fan the flames of suspicion more than they are already burning. For example, I'm a conspiracy researcher of five years experience (not much compared to some I know) and have been a lurker on here for a couple of years. I daresay similar can be said for many other newcomers.

Please, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. A lot of decent people are waking up right now, and this is a natural place for them to gravitate.
Don't worry that's not where I'm coming from.

claydog
24-11-2012, 10:41 PM
Anyway - back on topic.

Savile was a pervert and Satanist and really good 'friends' with Prince Charles, whom I also believe to be a pervert and a Satanist.

How's the research going?


Who both had the same blood..

lux_mundi
24-11-2012, 10:43 PM
Who both had the same blood..

Yeah, 'blood's thicker than water" my mum always used to say.

mr dude
24-11-2012, 10:43 PM
OK, last time I tried this, the forum got shut down for a while, however, that was probably just a coincidence:D


In order to make worthwhile progress and ensure this doesn't just fizzle out:

We really need a sticky post to be added to as tangible and accountable leads appear~ almost need a whiteboard to draw a big ass paedo-tree

considering the magnitude and impetus of the allegations and evidence being uncovered, a more accessible means of sifting through it all is nigh on essential~ we should also compile a list of tangible leads for further investigation by appropriate parties~ both within the forum and by people with sway and influence who appear to be on the side of the truth (Mark Williams Thomas, Stuart Syvret etc etc)

Please feel free to add information to tie in... although I appreciate there may potentially be links with the occult, symbolism and family history, it seems in order to gain maximum leverage and uptake by the public in general, it makes more sense to focus on accessible evidence:

Accessible key figures who bear further investigation in order to work toward the bigger picture include:

Angus Stickler
Alan Franey
Janet Cope
Max Clifford
Frank Bruno

Child abuse Rings which have all suffered cover ups but currently have no tangible link to Savile:

North Wales
Dunblane
Kincora
Medomsley


More importantly, the JERSEY scandal potentially links Savile and the Royals and could blow the doors of the establishment as it stands... this is where the real pressure should be applied... combine this with the issues raised regarding security vetting of the crown intelligence services and there is obviously something amiss

Other characters who bear further examination:

Cardinal Hume
Prince Charles
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Most MPs of the 70s, 80s and 90s:D


Feel free to add any further elements, or characters which merit investigation, however, please bear in mind that to make a real breakthrough, mentions of Satanism and the Occult might be a bit freaky for the majority of Sheeple...:confused: ;)

allseeingipod
24-11-2012, 10:44 PM
WTF is going on here? No, we had no idea that Savile was a perv :eek:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/Funkdooby_album/down.jpg

concernedmom
24-11-2012, 10:45 PM
Yes, I thought that too... then forgot to mention it when I posted. People often pick words that happen to be on their minds - for other reasons.

As for Elton: hold me closer tiny dancer. BARF.

and they have let him have two children WTF!!! :eek:

jewellerymaker
24-11-2012, 10:45 PM
They dragged out that hard faced bitch Malone to discredit Mills. Hates women, likes paedos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbA1YFptq_U&feature=related

claydog
24-11-2012, 10:45 PM
OK, last time I tried this, the forum got shut down for a while, however, that was probably just a coincidence:D


In order to make worthwhile progress and ensure this doesn't just fizzle out:

We really need a sticky post to be added to as tangible and accountable leads appear~ almost need a whiteboard to draw a big ass paedo-tree

considering the magnitude and impetus of the allegations and evidence being uncovered, a more accessible means of sifting through it all is nigh on essential~ we should also compile a list of tangible leads for further investigation by appropriate parties~ both within the forum and by people with sway and influence who appear to be on the side of the truth (Mark Williams Thomas, Stuart Syvret etc etc)

Please feel free to add information to tie in... although I appreciate there may potentially be links with the occult, symbolism and family history, it seems in order to gain maximum leverage and uptake by the public in general, it makes more sense to focus on accessible evidence:

Accessible key figures who bear further investigation in order to work toward the bigger picture include:

Angus Stickler
Alan Franey
Janet Cope
Max Clifford
Frank Bruno

Child abuse Rings which have all suffered cover ups but currently have no tangible link to Savile:

North Wales
Dunblane
Kincora
Medomsley


More importantly, the JERSEY scandal potentially links Savile and the Royals and could blow the doors of the establishment as it stands... this is where the real pressure should be applied... combine this with the issues raised regarding security vetting of the crown intelligence services and there is obviously something amiss

Other characters who bear further examination:

Cardinal Hume
Prince Charles
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Most MPs of the 70s, 80s and 90s:D


Feel free to add any further elements, or characters which merit investigation, however, please bear in mind that to make a real breakthrough, mentions of Satanism and the Occult might be a bit freaky for the majority of Sheeple...:confused: ;)




Is it too early to add Satan clause to the list yet?:D

dopey
24-11-2012, 10:46 PM
The fact she picked the word "paedophile" when talking about her treatment, to me was an unsubtle message to tell certain folks to back off... and what exactly is she protecting?

The woman's a fruitloop but she was one of Khashoggi's "girls" so must know plenty, and from before she ever met up with McCartney.

The divorce battle was very enlightening in terms of his power, and the lengths he would go to. He did a total hatchet job on someone who essentially was still the mother of his child....and of course, though I believe e claimed otherwise, there's no way that he didn't know her full background before he married her.

He has a master hacker running his digital catalogue and website too and an office was set up in New York specifically to manage all things security related in respect to the McCartney family.

bellahunter
24-11-2012, 10:46 PM
I am semi serious, because it is NOT us NORMAL human beings destroying the environment, it is the elite gorging parasite class!

The very ones that wrote the guidestones!!!

What a laugh!

I worked for the airlines for decades, and did probably <1000 flights, been most places and it always struck me, looking out the window, as how EMPTY the world is - really, just try it some day, humans are mostly beside rivers and the sea, the rest of the countries are empty, and could sustain in many cases probably billions more people. I'm dead against the NWO parasites wanting to murder 6.5 billion people so they can live in a luxury theme park with servants on 24 hr call.

They want a return to feudalism and serfs.
I think that about England, Scotland and wales. There is loads of space.



Where is everyone

velma
24-11-2012, 10:47 PM
The latest Maddy tabloid "news sensation" is to give the impression that child molesters are 'swarthy predators' like Hewlett and not peers of the realm sitting in the House of Lords wearing scarlet robes trimmed with ermine. The fact that the press are regurgitating a non-story from three years ago about a dead paedophile who was investigated and cleared by Portuguese detectives at the time, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have no intention of investigating or exposing the wider paedophile ring, linked to Savile. But whenever you need a good distraction or useful gatekeeper, Team McCann are always at hand.

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 10:49 PM
OK, last time I tried this, the forum got shut down for a while, however, that was probably just a coincidence:D


In order to make worthwhile progress and ensure this doesn't just fizzle out:

We really need a sticky post to be added to as tangible and accountable leads appear~ almost need a whiteboard to draw a big ass paedo-tree

considering the magnitude and impetus of the allegations and evidence being uncovered, a more accessible means of sifting through it all is nigh on essential~ we should also compile a list of tangible leads for further investigation by appropriate parties~ both within the forum and by people with sway and influence who appear to be on the side of the truth (Mark Williams Thomas, Stuart Syvret etc etc)

Please feel free to add information to tie in... although I appreciate there may potentially be links with the occult, symbolism and family history, it seems in order to gain maximum leverage and uptake by the public in general, it makes more sense to focus on accessible evidence:

Accessible key figures who bear further investigation in order to work toward the bigger picture include:

Angus Stickler
Alan Franey
Janet Cope
Max Clifford
Frank Bruno

Child abuse Rings which have all suffered cover ups but currently have no tangible link to Savile:

North Wales
Dunblane
Kincora
Medomsley


More importantly, the JERSEY scandal potentially links Savile and the Royals and could blow the doors of the establishment as it stands... this is where the real pressure should be applied... combine this with the issues raised regarding security vetting of the crown intelligence services and there is obviously something amiss

Other characters who bear further examination:

Cardinal Hume
Prince Charles
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Most MPs of the 70s, 80s and 90s:D


Feel free to add any further elements, or characters which merit investigation, however, please bear in mind that to make a real breakthrough, mentions of Satanism and the Occult might be a bit freaky for the majority of Sheeple...:confused: ;)

Bingo. I am convinced that Jersey in particular is central to this. Interesting stuff about Gibraltar earlier in the thread also, these sickos seem to use the offshore islands as their personal playgrounds.

bellahunter
24-11-2012, 10:50 PM
Good for you. I'm glad they didn't break your spirit. They did mine. I should also point out that my abusers were my family, not strangers in a care home.

Bastards. Lower than the low.

Bought a book in a charity shop this week. it's called Anne's Song. Anne was the eldest daughter in the Nolan family.

yep, her dad was at it as well.

claydog
24-11-2012, 10:53 PM
The latest Maddy tabloid "news sensation" is to give the impression that child molesters are 'swarthy predators' like Hewlett and not peers of the realm sitting in the House of Lords wearing scarlet robes trimmed with ermine. The fact that the press are regurgitating a non-story from three years ago about a dead paedophile who was investigated and cleared by Portuguese detectives at the time, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have no intention of investigating or exposing the wider paedophile ring, linked to Savile. But whenever you need a good distraction or useful gatekeeper, Team McCann are always at hand.


Satanic monsters who turned an anniversary of child sacrifice in to a franchise, the usual suspects linger behind charity and foundations..

claydog
24-11-2012, 10:55 PM
Bingo. I am convinced that Jersey in particular is central to this. Interesting stuff about Gibraltar earlier in the thread also, these sickos seem to use the offshore islands as their personal playgrounds.



Ireland's truth that is heavily suppressed by draconian law will make them all pale in comparison, Catholic church systemic pedophilia, priests are ordained pedophiles they get caught they get relocated. Ireland has been under this kosh for aeons of time..

concernedmom
24-11-2012, 10:55 PM
The latest Maddy tabloid "news sensation" is to give the impression that child molesters are 'swarthy predators' like Hewlett and not peers of the realm sitting in the House of Lords wearing scarlet robes trimmed with ermine. The fact that the press are regurgitating a non-story from three years ago about a dead paedophile who was investigated and cleared by Portuguese detectives at the time, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have no intention of investigating or exposing the wider paedophile ring, linked to Savile. But whenever you need a good distraction or useful gatekeeper, Team McCann are always at hand.

just like to say that as a woman and mom there isnt enough things imaginable that I would like to do to Katie!

Do you think she is under the liquid cosh treatment, hence her lack of fight and anger and no physical response to her child 'being taken'?

anders7777
24-11-2012, 10:56 PM
As I said, if that's their plan, they're clearly not doing a very good job so far.

You are JOKING, right?:rolleyes:

voicefromnowhere
24-11-2012, 10:56 PM
my abusers were my family
That's the pits of hell. My ex-girlfriend was molested by her Uncle, and nothing was done about it. She's damaged for sure. I think that's why our relationship disintegrated. All power to the victims <3

teardropexplodes
24-11-2012, 10:57 PM
Then follow the trail to Windsor castle and Vatican city if you want the top satanists. The rest are just mindless drones in comparison. They are preparing scapegoats so we piss around arguing over lord nonce this and lord nonce that when its all of the cunts.

99% of us are good, its the occultism that hides that is the real problem and they hide behind charity, church and politics. and high society, and they own celebrity and media. the whole fucking thing is Satan. So why argue with people over who is who on here? Surely your brain now functions enough for you to pick out the diamonds from the mountain of shit without blanketing any one new here?


Vatican runs nothing. This is the kind of disinformation Alex Jones puts about.
Same with our dear royal family.
Pawns.
Follow the money.
Who controls both their finances?
Who owns and controls our media?
Which group controls American foreign policy?
Which runs the banks?

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes tthe laws.

All of this which has been going on recently is part of a very long term plan to complete ly subvert our public and private institutions.

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 11:00 PM
Ireland's truth that is heavily suppressed by draconian law will make them all pale in comparison, Catholic church systemic pedophilia, priests are ordained pedophiles they get caught they get relocated. Ireland has been under this kosh for aeons of time..

I know. Also links with Kincora and a certain "cold castle".

tameelf
24-11-2012, 11:03 PM
add me to that list nothing to hide google tameelf its all there my last 12 years if they come 4 me ill tread it as entertainment and educate all around me in prison theres nowt to do but trade storys

claydog
24-11-2012, 11:03 PM
That's the pits of hell. My ex-girlfriend was molested by her Uncle, and nothing was done about it. She's damaged for sure. I think that's why our relationship disintegrated. All power to the victims <3




its far more common than peoples shame admits I am afraid, poverty infested towns had one thing spreading this shit around and that's church, not so much now but pedophilia is created like an illness that spreads. victims do often go on to offend and that's the truth. And the church send out priests to do just this, Nuns in catholic schools in Ireland where known as satans whores for good reason, my family on my grans side come from Derry and they are all victims but try getting them to speak, its closes people down that's what shame does and shame is piled on by nonce's..


My mother was abused by her uncle and my auntie too, it's taken 54 years for my auntie to finally admit this now she can begin to heal over it, it fractures the psyche, it's fucking deliberate and the work of religion all over the planet, Vatican city sending out monsters in robes. Reverse Christianity.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 11:03 PM
The latest Maddy tabloid "news sensation" is to give the impression that child molesters are 'swarthy predators' like Hewlett and not peers of the realm sitting in the House of Lords wearing scarlet robes trimmed with ermine. The fact that the press are regurgitating a non-story from three years ago about a dead paedophile who was investigated and cleared by Portuguese detectives at the time, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have no intention of investigating or exposing the wider paedophile ring, linked to Savile. But whenever you need a good distraction or useful gatekeeper, Team McCann are always at hand.

Absolutely, and the current Met investigation, what a joke - they want the truth buried forever. Dogs don't lie!

dopey
24-11-2012, 11:06 PM
Absolutely, and the current Met investigation, what a joke - they want the truth buried forever. Dogs don't lie!


Yeah, those dogs were what convinced me in that case.

noncooperation
24-11-2012, 11:06 PM
Bingo. I am convinced that Jersey in particular is central to this. Interesting stuff about Gibraltar earlier in the thread also, these sickos seem to use the offshore islands as their personal playgrounds.
IMHO Jersey is very vulnerable to come out because from watching the Pie & Mash video (youtube) with interviews on Jersey streets, many of the people appeared genuinely scared to say anything about peado's etc. on the island; seemed to stem from bullying tactics from the perv's on the island.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 11:06 PM
I know. Also links with Kincora and a certain "cold castle".

Ditto, and our Nazi pope sanctioned it all when he was on his way to the apex.:mad:

white horse
24-11-2012, 11:09 PM
Just posting my observation for all to see - people can make up their own minds uh?

And it is a good observation.

However, if you've been with the thread from the start you will have seen a massive explosion from this thread which pulled in great numbers from elsewhere, the thread was being refered to all over the net, we even engaged with mumsnet... so it's bound to have an effect.

I think it would be perfectly natural for many of those to stay at this thread alone and not post elsewhere because this is what pulled them in. Interesting to check profiles out, I often do, and where els they post.

So, I would reckon that if you took the basic ratio of shills/agents at the site at large, you could then use the same ratio for the numbers of newbies in oct/nov. Bound to be high. (O, and the same ration of idiots too :rolleyes: )

I have a few in mind who I don' trust. It may be difficult for genuine newbies to understand that level of mistrust, when you get to the topics that are high on radar, the shilling goes up, and you end up wading through 90% BS on the way to get that gleaming 10% gold.

If you're genuine, and you feel yourself under the spotlight a bit, think in the movies if you'd just walked into a French Resistance cell and said 'hi I know a secret tunnel into the German base, this way chaps!' - you're bound to get grilled. Don't take it personally. Don't let it put you off.

IF you're genuine. Ride it out. Be truthful. You don't HAVE to answer to anyone.

I do salute you mumsnetters who came here I really do... and the care home ex residents, you will have the hardest time being believed.

I'm surprised this thread stayed in such good shape past 6 weeks, well done y'all in keeping it straight this long.

Let's get back on track with those Vile links and see some more dots... brilliant work and some great info being brought in.

Interesting to see Faul, newly in the central spotlight. See where those links go.
Kenneth Clarke still unable to shake off the dirt.
Odd that the other night (was it during ITVs follwo up Exposure docu?) there was as sudden twitter ripple (did it even appear on sky?) about Thatcher dead that was quickly denied as rumour. There've been dozen's of false reports about Thatch. Wonder what her death will trigger?

What about Savile's earlier gangland contacts?

What about the charities and all that charity money? People continuously repeat "£40M"... is there any audit trail of this?

What charities did he give money to? Janet Street Porter claimed he used that money to buy protection and pay off the press.

What of Jim the Pill Cardus and other members of the Friday Morning Club?

Good links to Athenaum club and it's high profile members.

What about the freebie Cunard cruises?

And still silence from them all.

Most telling silence above all from the Saxe-Coberg-Gotha-Windsors

mr dude
24-11-2012, 11:10 PM
Vatican runs nothing. This is the kind of disinformation Alex Jones puts about.
Same with our dear royal family.
Pawns.
Follow the money.
Who controls both their finances?
Who owns and controls our media?
Which group controls American foreign policy?
Which runs the banks?

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws.

All of this which has been going on recently is part of a very long term plan to complete ly subvert our public and private institutions.

Shit... It's quite scary but what you say is on the money (no pun intended)~ however, when you look at the spread (and legacy) of the British Empire and Commonwealth, there's a whole lot of umbrella to catch all the raindrops, along with Lords and MPs who sit in multiple executive roles skimming the cream and making more wars to sell weapons (and news stories), before popping of the the nearest care home for a spot of ritualistic satanism

pravda
24-11-2012, 11:11 PM
I've looked into the double thing, and it is quite compelling, also, didn't they dump one member, and in comes Ringo, who I believe is Jewish (Epstein - Jewish, was involved in that IIRC) - Ringo was far more streetwise than the others, and older - I guess he would be the alpha dog in the group...

What are you getting at with Dylan and Baez, please?

doubles...or actually triples in Dylan's case.

The originals were too revolutionary you see

oonalu
24-11-2012, 11:11 PM
about McCartney heather mills said she fell out with paul over something that happened at a party was so bad whatever happend she documented it and placed it/them in secure places if anything suspisious happened to her it was her deadmans handel

i got that from a faul McCartney documentery years ago i did spell faul correct if you wanna google it crowly taverstock amongst other things crop up

Remember seeing a news video she was in the states i think and was saying to the reporter something like ....... if people knew the real Paul they would be shocked to the core, then went on to say she was scared for her life.:eek:

anders7777
24-11-2012, 11:12 PM
IMHO Jersey is very vulnerable to come out because from watching the Pie & Mash video (youtube) with interviews on Jersey streets, many of the people appeared genuinely scared to say anything about peado's etc. on the island; seemed to stem from bullying tactics from the perv's on the island.

Jersey...

The Wicker Man - Trailer - YouTube

voicefromnowhere
24-11-2012, 11:13 PM
poverty infested towns had one thing spreading this shit around and that's church


Her family were Catholics. What a friendly, helpful babysitter he was.



My mother was abused by her uncle and my auntie too, it's taken 54 years for my auntie to finally admit this now she can begin to heal over it, it fractures the psyche, it's fucking deliberate and the work of religion all over the planet, Vatican city sending our monsters in robes. Reverse Christianity.


Sorry to hear this. It's rancid. We know it's rancid, and that's where it stops.
It would appear though, unfortunately that some abused go on to be abusers. I really really really cannot comprehend why for the life of me why.

Why anyone could get pleasure from inflicting misery on a child is just beyond comprehension. I've met these nonces in many institutions, they are very select in their prey. Like TheRealJimmyJones has said, they knew who had the big mouths and the ability to use a pool cue as a weapon.

(I added the weapon part, as I used one myself to make a dramatic entrance in Bryn Estyn - It served me quite well too)

mr dude
24-11-2012, 11:15 PM
Remember also that Jersey is a financial centre and tax haven... a very tricky egg to break but boy will it taste good when it gets fried.

Which reminds me, sign and share this... may come to nothing, but may be all it takes to topple the house of cards:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ukhomeoffice-restore-the-visa-of-banned-journalist-leah-mcgrath-goodman-freejersey


Thinking of which, Switzerland is surely a good place to hunt for links which could help sew things together...

white horse
24-11-2012, 11:16 PM
Glad I joined in May! :p

Did Pegleg Mills stand on the court steps and say something like "I'm the one being treated like a paedophile...", then say something about the information is being held in a safe place, and that she is protecting someone at the moment?

So it could be TWO BIG secrets?

Could Faul be the big fall? :confused:

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 11:16 PM
IMHO Jersey is very vulnerable to come out because from watching the Pie & Mash video (youtube) with interviews on Jersey streets, many of the people appeared genuinely scared to say anything about peado's etc. on the island; seemed to stem from bullying tactics from the perv's on the island.

Agreed, I noticed very few would even talk to him.

white horse
24-11-2012, 11:16 PM
I think this is quite unfair. We should be happy that more people are 'waking up'. Of course, some might be shills, but hasn't that been true throughout the history of the Icke Forum? I see you've missed off my favourite person from your list ;)

I don't really trust anyone, but I think we all need to use our own judgement and take what we read with a pinch of salt, unless there is actual proof, or we do our own research. Christ, no offense, but I don't even really trust Anders!!! It's like in Reservoir Dogs! Mr Pink: For all I know, you're the rat. Mr White: For all I know you're the fucking rat! Mr. Pink: All right, now you're using your fucking head!
xxxx

well put!

Mr. Pink: All right, now you're using your fucking head!

searchfortruth
24-11-2012, 11:16 PM
Just browsing tomorrows newspaper headlines on Sky News and The Sunday Mirror has a picture of a young girl I would guess she is about 7 or 8 with the headline "SOLD FOR SEX AT THE BBC" Shock new claims of Saville paedo ring.

anders7777
24-11-2012, 11:17 PM
doubles...or actually triples in Dylan's case.

The originals were too revolutionary you see

Hmmm:eek:

I wouldn't put anything past them!:mad:

claydog
24-11-2012, 11:17 PM
Remember seeing a news video she was in the states i think and was saying to the reporter something like ....... if people knew the real Paul they would be shocked to the core, then went on to say she was scared for her life.:eek:



She was butchered by MSM, MSM is the mouthpiece of occultism. I think she is a cunt but not a lying cunt. She knows far more and took money to shut up, this don't qualify her as somebody I side with but she was certainly torn apart by the press jackals of her majesty to protect one of her Favorite dolls.

noncooperation
24-11-2012, 11:18 PM
Vatican runs nothing. This is the kind of disinformation Alex Jones puts about.
Same with our dear royal family.
Pawns.
Follow the money.
Who controls both their finances?
Who owns and controls our media?
Which group controls American foreign policy?
Which runs the banks?

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes tthe laws.

All of this which has been going on recently is part of a very long term plan to complete ly subvert our public and private institutions.
The bankers are not at the top - they probably are allowed to run their own scams though.
They work for those higher - possibly Royals/Vatican/Family Groups - the rulers don't do their own banking!

white horse
24-11-2012, 11:19 PM
Remember also that Jersey is a financial centre and tax haven... a very tricky egg to break but boy will it taste good when it gets fried.

Which reminds me, sign and share this... may come to nothing, but may be all it takes to topple the house of cards:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ukhomeoffice-restore-the-visa-of-banned-journalist-leah-mcgrath-goodman-freejersey

In the same interview that Rick Parfitt talked about Vile and TOTP and the sexual heydays of the past, he also talked about spending years living in Jersey for tax reasons.

More dots...

Not necessarily anything to it, but it made me notice.

How many other big names spend time there 'for tax reasons'?

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 11:20 PM
Remember also that Jersey is a financial centre and tax haven... a very tricky egg to break but boy will it taste good when it gets fried.

Which reminds me, sign and share this... may come to nothing, but may be all it takes to topple the house of cards:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ukhomeoffice-restore-the-visa-of-banned-journalist-leah-mcgrath-goodman-freejersey


Thinking of which, Switzerland is surely a good place to hunt for links which could help sew things together...

That's true. And it's even bigger than that. Jersey is technically outside UK law entirely. It is a self-governing possession of the British Crown which means that it is not subject to the laws of the UK parliament. Which would be fine if it was governed by moral people. But it isn't, unfortunately. It is governed by an obviously and provably corrupt oligarchy.

I cannot prove it all yet, but I am convinced that high level child abusers deliberately used places like Jersey to commit their worst crimes - because they knew in these places the local authorities were ineffective and corrupt and/or quite literally above the law.

white horse
24-11-2012, 11:20 PM
Hmmm:eek:

I wouldn't put anything past them!:mad:

Not now.

magoo22
24-11-2012, 11:21 PM
OK, last time I tried this, the forum got shut down for a while, however, that was probably just a coincidence:D


In order to make worthwhile progress and ensure this doesn't just fizzle out:

We really need a sticky post to be added to as tangible and accountable leads appear~ almost need a whiteboard to draw a big ass paedo-tree

considering the magnitude and impetus of the allegations and evidence being uncovered, a more accessible means of sifting through it all is nigh on essential~ we should also compile a list of tangible leads for further investigation by appropriate parties~ both within the forum and by people with sway and influence who appear to be on the side of the truth (Mark Williams Thomas, Stuart Syvret etc etc)

Please feel free to add information to tie in... although I appreciate there may potentially be links with the occult, symbolism and family history, it seems in order to gain maximum leverage and uptake by the public in general, it makes more sense to focus on accessible evidence:

Accessible key figures who bear further investigation in order to work toward the bigger picture include:

Angus Stickler
Alan Franey
Janet Cope
Max Clifford
Frank Bruno

Child abuse Rings which have all suffered cover ups but currently have no tangible link to Savile:

North Wales
Dunblane
Kincora
Medomsley


More importantly, the JERSEY scandal potentially links Savile and the Royals and could blow the doors of the establishment as it stands... this is where the real pressure should be applied... combine this with the issues raised regarding security vetting of the crown intelligence services and there is obviously something amiss

Other characters who bear further examination:

Cardinal Hume
Prince Charles
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Most MPs of the 70s, 80s and 90s:D


Feel free to add any further elements, or characters which merit investigation, however, please bear in mind that to make a real breakthrough, mentions of Satanism and the Occult might be a bit freaky for the majority of Sheeple...:confused: ;)

I came across this a year ago or so a fantastic mind map on the Rothschilds. Would be amazing if we could do one for this investigation, open source but with a few trusted moderators.

http://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/D36749F1-3A40-09FA-957F-41294B88CB70#-1941

http://www.thebrain.com/

Any thoughts?

yass
24-11-2012, 11:23 PM
Bowie is pan-sexual and it's a word not encouraged. They don't get enjoyment from normal straight sex for one thing, pedophilia is normal to pan-sexual. And its nothing to do with homo-sexuality which has been deliberately demonized by these monsters via their controlled religious doctrines.

Royal bloodline is the purest form of this insanity and abomination and closely guarded by occultism such as Ordo Templi Orientis. This is the origins of Stokers bluebloods. Not some daft twat in a cape but the psychic vampires that Leach of others, a parasitic entity and this is why they build their major houses of influence on Earth ley lines. Check out a map and see for yourself Windsor castle and Vatican city.

Lust is lust. Better to be celibate.

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 11:24 PM
Mr Dude, you're right about Switzerland but unfortunately it's rock solid. These people are the experts in hiding money and other misdeeds - Jersey, Isle of Man, etc are only in the halfpenny place compared to them.

trafficker
24-11-2012, 11:27 PM
Just browsing tomorrows newspaper headlines on Sky News and The Sunday Mirror has a picture of a young girl I would guess she is about 7 or 8 with the headline "SOLD FOR SEX AT THE BBC" Shock new claims of Saville paedo ring.

Welcome to the cess-pit.......this is a very long journey, with many more twist n turns yet to come, new information, deaths, arrests, disclosures, court cases even the ones involving meesham and jim jones.

claydog
24-11-2012, 11:27 PM
Mr Dude, you're right about Switzerland but unfortunately it's rock solid. These people are the experts in hiding money and other misdeeds - Jersey, Isle of Man, etc are only in the halfpenny place compared to them.



Kick open the doors of Vatican city and they don't even fucking hide it in there..

martyr pope
24-11-2012, 11:27 PM
I think there is a difference between being a total wrongun and knowing but not telling due to career, position title etc. But I would say that most are fully aware of how the magick circle works.

The cult of celebrity is part of true occultism but most are not all allowed to piss from the tent outwards lots want in but they piss outside the tent. same with politics, military industrial complex and police and media. The majority of old bill don't know what the Freemasons really get up to just like the majority of Freemasons don't know, but when you get to the inner sanctum its nothing like the public persona of silly twats with handshakes and a bit of cronyism. the dark heart is very dark indeed and it leads to Vatican city.


Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are top Ordo Templi orientis and the whole "troubles" thing in the 70's 80's and 90's was deliberate and SAS were real IRA and they fitted up men in the area and the prisons are full of wrongly convicted men for terrorism when it's our own dark arts of MI5 MI5 at work,

lots of examples across the globe Sth American countries literally not allowed to thrive due to Vatican appointed despots like Pinochet, Noriega, these are not random events they are all occultism. Gaddafi and Saddam were just caretakers for NWO. Same small group of families all protecting the bloodline

Social instability, enforced poverty, church interference with families, the Irish story is one of true horror and when it breaks it's going to shock the globe.

They run everything that's how control freaks work, they don't leave any angle not infected with their dominance.

OooooKey Doooookey

Just catching up with the posts after a delay but I quoted your thread earlier regarding OTO and my amazement at it's organisation.

However the drivel you have delivered regarding the 'IRA' is comical if I may be more than polite.

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 11:28 PM
She was butchered by MSM, MSM is the mouthpiece of occultism. I think she is a cunt but not a lying cunt. She knows far more and took money to shut up, this don't qualify her as somebody I side with but she was certainly torn apart by the press jackals of her majesty to protect one of her Favorite dolls.

Must admit my opinion of her has changed after watching that GMTV interview and her Leveson testimony. Definitely no angel but it's obvious the heat was being put on her in a really evil way.

noncooperation
24-11-2012, 11:30 PM
And it is a good observation.

However, if you've been with the thread from the start you will have seen a massive explosion from this thread which pulled in great numbers from elsewhere, the thread was being refered to all over the net, we even engaged with mumsnet... so it's bound to have an effect.

I think it would be perfectly natural for many of those to stay at this thread alone and not post elsewhere because this is what pulled them in. Interesting to check profiles out, I often do, and where els they post.

So, I would reckon that if you took the basic ratio of shills/agents at the site at large, you could then use the same ratio for the numbers of newbies in oct/nov. Bound to be high. (O, and the same ration of idiots too :rolleyes: )

I have a few in mind who I don' trust. It may be difficult for genuine newbies to understand that level of mistrust, when you get to the topics that are high on radar, the shilling goes up, and you end up wading through 90% BS on the way to get that gleaming 10% gold.

If you're genuine, and you feel yourself under the spotlight a bit, think in the movies if you'd just walked into a French Resistance cell and said 'hi I know a secret tunnel into the German base, this way chaps!' - you're bound to get grilled. Don't take it personally. Don't let it put you off.

IF you're genuine. Ride it out. Be truthful. You don't HAVE to answer to anyone.

I do salute you mumsnetters who came here I really do... and the care home ex residents, you will have the hardest time being believed.

I'm surprised this thread stayed in such good shape past 6 weeks, well done y'all in keeping it straight this long.

Let's get back on track with those Vile links and see some more dots... brilliant work and some great info being brought in.

Interesting to see Faul, newly in the central spotlight. See where those links go.
Kenneth Clarke still unable to shake off the dirt.
Odd that the other night (was it during ITVs follwo up Exposure docu?) there was as sudden twitter ripple (did it even appear on sky?) about Thatcher dead that was quickly denied as rumour. There've been dozen's of false reports about Thatch. Wonder what her death will trigger?

What about Savile's earlier gangland contacts?

What about the charities and all that charity money? People continuously repeat "£40M"... is there any audit trail of this?

What charities did he give money to? Janet Street Porter claimed he used that money to buy protection and pay off the press.

What of Jim the Pill Cardus and other members of the Friday Morning Club?

Good links to Athenaum club and it's high profile members.

What about the freebie Cunard cruises?

And still silence from them all.

Most telling silence above all from the Saxe-Coberg-Gotha-Windsors
Good post, thanks for explaining some things. Savile is/was a fascinating & evil person who appears to have been important to many and for many reasons.

I wasn't however trying to derail the thread - just give it a shove from another angle - and then watch the reaction.

I suppose I don't get excited easily, so missed the 'wave' with this thread but I think this thread realy stands for quite a bit of encouragement to people to take back their power and stop being a slave.

jond
24-11-2012, 11:30 PM
Just browsing tomorrows newspaper headlines on Sky News and The Sunday Mirror has a picture of a young girl I would guess she is about 7 or 8 with the headline "SOLD FOR SEX AT THE BBC" Shock new claims of Saville paedo ring.

i'd like to see The Sun run a front page with just the link for this thread

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 11:35 PM
What of Jim the Pill Cardus and other members of the Friday Morning Club?

http://http://i27.tinypic.com/eb3iic.jpg

whiterain
24-11-2012, 11:37 PM
well put!

Mr. Pink: All right, now you're using your fucking head!

its real fuckin tough at the moment to trust anyone or not get sucked into paranoia but the only thing to do is take breaks when it is getting too much. do some grounding meditations and reaffirm all of the amazing and beautiful things in life.

it helps a little to try not to judge the posters but to just judge the information in the posts otherwise its too easy to just go suspecting everyone of spreading divisive misinformation. ive even been tempted to put everyone who has registered in the last couple of months on ignore until it settles down but for all i know some of the older posters could be just as suspect.

anyway i trust you white horse because we swapped some seeds once and i never got visited by anyone dodgy after :D cheers the orange tomatoes i grew this year were great mate. you cunning git :eek::D

agent_orange
24-11-2012, 11:37 PM
(Jersey) is governed by an obviously and provably corrupt oligarchy.



And who interfered with Jersey politics to create the current oligarchy (bailhache x 2 and Birt)?

Kenneth Clarke.

tangodeltafoxtrot
24-11-2012, 11:38 PM
And who interfered with Jersey politics to create the current oligarchy (bailhache x 2 and Birt)?

Kenneth Clarke.

Jersey has always been an oligarchy. The worst child abuse offenses were committed long before the reign of the Bailhache brothers or for that matter Ken Clarke.

neilvw
24-11-2012, 11:38 PM
anyway i trust you white horse because we swapped some seeds once and i never got visited by anyone dodgy after :D cheers the orange tomatoes i grew this year were great mate. you cunning git :eek::D

I had to read that twice :eek: :D

dentedarthur
24-11-2012, 11:39 PM
The bankers are not at the top.
They work for those higher - possibly Royals/Vatican/Family Groups

It's all business
and ownership

from the Rolls of Oléron onwards, and probably before

they hate common law
jurys of peers etc.

hence men of straw

and, some above the law
anointed by god

thats why the state protects the church at all costs
if that falls, its truly game over

bellahunter
24-11-2012, 11:40 PM
you've probably seen this and its probably old news but have found it and posted it. Not sure of the source either. There's
Loads of txt. Will get the link asap


King George VI followed this up during his marriage to the Queen with an illegitimate son named Michael Canfield (1926-69). He was brought up by Cass Canfield of Harper & Row Publishing and was the half-brother to the current Queen. Michael ‘Fitz’ Canfield later married the Duchess of Marlborough and ‘died’ soon after the wedding. There was no way he was going to be allowed to have children.10

But even this was pre-empted in the colonies and became known as New Zealand’s worst kept secret. Recently married and on Royal Tour with his wife (Elizabeth), newborn child (Elizabeth II) and homosexual incestuous partner (Louis Mountbatten), the future King George VI conceived a child with a Maori woman in March 1927.

As an adult, he was in charge of DoRAs (Defence of the Realm Acts) for British paedophiles on holiday in New Zealand, especially in Rotorua. He would cover for those who were caught or who had complaints against them, ensuring that there was no police record and that “the British tourists” got out of the country safely. His job was to cover up for British paedophiles, but it was also to ensure there was a ready supply of young Maori boys available for paedophilia who were encouraged to swim naked in the Priest and Radium pools.



http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=207&t=9767

white horse
24-11-2012, 11:42 PM
Vatican runs nothing. This is the kind of disinformation Alex Jones puts about.
Same with our dear royal family.
Pawns.
Follow the money.
Who controls both their finances?
Who owns and controls our media?
Which group controls American foreign policy?
Which runs the banks?

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes tthe laws.

All of this which has been going on recently is part of a very long term plan to complete ly subvert our public and private institutions.

The bankers are not at the top.
They work for those higher - possibly Royals/Vatican/Family Groups

Not necessarily.

The Vatican is probably the biggest crime syndicate in history. It has been collecting money on a massive scale since medieval times, it is an enormous landowner, it's business interests are huge. It apparently owns some of the major telescopes, particularly the solar telescopes (needs looking into); like the Queen, they make a good show of playing dead, but they have a massive influence behind the scenes.

And access to millions of children.

Bankers - Remember a posting about webbot predicting the bankers rising up against their masters when they find out the funds have been used to maintain an enormous international child sex trafficking network.

gremlinsagain
24-11-2012, 11:44 PM
I came across this a year ago or so a fantastic mind map on the Rothschilds. Would be amazing if we could do one for this investigation, open source but with a few trusted moderators.

http://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/D36749F1-3A40-09FA-957F-41294B88CB70#-1941

http://www.thebrain.com/

Any thoughts?

This kind of stuff goes over my head I have to admit but links to what you are posting about.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/listeners/What.2.countries.DID.NOT.have.a.Rothschild.owned.C entral.Bank.htm

noncooperation
24-11-2012, 11:45 PM
its real fuckin tough at the moment to trust anyone or not get sucked into paranoia but the only thing to do is take breaks when it is getting too much. do some grounding meditations and reaffirm all of the amazing and beautiful things in life.

it helps a little to try not to judge the posters but to just judge the information in the posts otherwise its too easy to just go suspecting everyone of spreading divisive misinformation. ive even been tempted to put everyone who has registered in the last couple of months on ignore until it settles down but for all i know some of the older posters could be just as suspect.

anyway i trust you white horse because we swapped some seeds once and i never got visited by anyone dodgy after :D cheers the orange tomatoes i grew this year were great mate. you cunning git :eek::D
The best ones though don't work alone ;) - good post

illuminumnuts
24-11-2012, 11:52 PM
Support who? I don't see the current world population trend as sustainable, that's for sure. Reducing it to 500 million is another matter.

Do you support the New World Order that the powers that be are currently trying to impose and not far from achieving?

Just curious. Well?



The latest Maddy tabloid "news sensation" is to give the impression that child molesters are 'swarthy predators' like Hewlett and not peers of the realm sitting in the House of Lords wearing scarlet robes trimmed with ermine. The fact that the press are regurgitating a non-story from three years ago about a dead paedophile who was investigated and cleared by Portuguese detectives at the time, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have no intention of investigating or exposing the wider paedophile ring, linked to Savile. But whenever you need a good distraction or useful gatekeeper, Team McCann are always at hand.

Aren't they just. :rolleyes:



The bankers are not at the top - they probably are allowed to run their own scams though. They work for those higher - possibly Royals/Vatican/Family Groups - the rulers don't do their own banking!

If we get our people into parliament and government, then we can replace the financial system and cut off their power. It won't matter who they are.

thentherewere4
24-11-2012, 11:55 PM
RE Thentherewere4 - Ok this is the Sunday People -...........................Now every attempt is being made to ensure Sai Baba is kept away from Charles and other royals.

An interesting article and a good read.

I now find it all the all the more amazing that in 2004,5,6 and 7 Prince Philip and the other Royals were still insisting on honouring and associating with this cult crackpot paedophile and God incarnate and all despite having been warned off by the Secret Services!

Now here's something else I didn't know about a man called Max Clifford interviewed in 2006:

http://youtu.be/M708Si2sKkQ


*Marvel as YOU Listern to the list of MAX'S credits

*YES Max Sometimes works for FREE!!

*Max CLIFFORD HATES hypocrisy!

*AND NO - Protecting paedophiles isn't yet one of his hobbies

In those Far Off Pre-Paedo Protector days Max mentions his client list

AND YES - Max does do alot of CHARity work




Same name.

martyr pope
24-11-2012, 11:56 PM
given that newsnight didn't name said lord, but the name came out anyway, internet blamed, of course they used McAlpines name, it was mud anyway since scallywag days, no need to drag any other names out unnecessarily.

wouldn't be at all surprised if lordy in question is seriouslly ill or terminal anyway., doesn't look in the best of health. If he kicks the bucket soon, sympathy will abound from some quarters, and the finger of blame will be wagging this way.

p.s. also joined in october, course bloody did, the savile story breaking is the biggest thing since, well, longer than the 50 years john simpson was quoted as saying.

I'm sorry as I'm catching up a bit and replying to quoted posts but where the fuck is your logic in regards to that post which was in response to another post
Parental Warning.... There are quite a few mentions of posts in this post.

noncooperation
25-11-2012, 12:00 AM
If we get our people into parliament and government, then we can replace the financial system and cut off their power. It won't matter who they are.
I tend also to buy into that theory - cutting off the money supply to starve the beast - but since reading they have all the 'extra' trillions stashed away, I don't think that would be possible.

The majority have to take back control of 'their' system and stop being slaves and just going along with everything. This apathy most seem to have can realy make me ANGRY!

tameelf
25-11-2012, 12:04 AM
sorry if this list has been prev posted http://www.axjuk.co.uk/axj--government.php

bellahunter
25-11-2012, 12:04 AM
you've probably seen this and its probably old news but have found it and posted it. Not sure of the source either. There's
Loads of txt. Will get the link



http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=207&t=9767

does anyone know who this guy is

white horse
25-11-2012, 12:04 AM
its real fuckin tough at the moment to trust anyone or not get sucked into paranoia but the only thing to do is take breaks when it is getting too much. do some grounding meditations and reaffirm all of the amazing and beautiful things in life.

it helps a little to try not to judge the posters but to just judge the information in the posts otherwise its too easy to just go suspecting everyone of spreading divisive misinformation. ive even been tempted to put everyone who has registered in the last couple of months on ignore until it settles down but for all i know some of the older posters could be just as suspect.

anyway i trust you white horse because we swapped some seeds once and i never got visited by anyone dodgy after :D cheers the orange tomatoes i grew this year were great mate. you cunning git :eek::D

Haha yes of course! I got some nice pak choi from you as I remember! :D

Those toms are gorgeous aren't they!

[oops sorry... of topic... sigh... :rolleyes: ]

But yes, trust is a difficult thing on a forum. With a bit of experience you get to spot shills, and newbies who turn up suddenly and are all knowing.

I do like the influx of newbies tho, and most of them give me a good feeling :)

dentedarthur
25-11-2012, 12:06 AM
I'm sorry as I'm catching up a bit and replying to quoted posts but where the fuck is your logic in regards to that post which was in response to another post
Parental Warning.... There are quite a few mentions of posts in this post.

Originally Posted by real_jimmyjones
McAlpine cannot be definitively linked with Bryn Estyn can he? which will be proved in order to totally destroy all allegations of Child Abuse.. Letting Messhams skeletons out is a good way to make him comply I agree with that also. I agree with your third point as well..

I get the point that McAlpine cannot be linked to BE and so that makes the whole thing false to people looking on,but what I was getting at is why use Alistair McAlpines name in the first place.They could have used anyones for that matter.Or has he allowed his name to be used for some reason. Is this the double bluff regarding him and his scummy mates and that within those in control of this there are certain factions wanting different outcomes. I am not suggesting you would know and I am simply putting a suggestion forward,but did you ever hear of or suspect there was high level involvement.




thats the bit was replying to
as for reading all the other posts, well, its hard to keep up with this thread at the best of times
sometimes logic goes amiss
guilty as charged

lux_mundi
25-11-2012, 12:10 AM
But other, undocumented rumors abound. It is said Savile also believed he played a small but significant role in the 1979 Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty through his connection with Gladys Cotterill, the Sheffield-born mother of Madame Jehan Sadat, widow of the late President Anwar Sadat.

article (http://technorati.com/entertainment/celebrity/article/how-jim-the-sabra-fixed-it/page-2/)



In 1977, Israel’s Prime Minister Menachem Begin had a meeting with Egyptian president Anwar Sadat.

This led to 'peace' between the two countries.

Sir Jimmy Savile received a medal from Israel in 1979, for services rendered.

Source (http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/jimmy-savile-fixed-it-for-israel.html)

Jimmy Savile helped broker a Middle East peace treaty?! His life was so bizarre.

Jehan Sadat, also spelled Jihan, was born Jehan Safwat Raouf (Arabic: جيهان صفوت رؤوف Jīhān Ṣafwat Raʼūf or چيهان صفوت رؤوف Zhīhān Ṣafwat Raʼūf) in Cairo, Egypt as the first girl and third child of an upper-middle-class family of an Egyptian surgeon father (Safwat Raouf), and English music teacher mother (Gladys Cotterill), her mother was the daughter of Charles Henry Cotterill, a Sheffield City police superintendent. Wikipedia

Jehan Sadat was only 15 when she married Anwar Sadat, who was 31 years old.

Also more on Savile's Manchester, Jewish and Beatles connections:

But his undisputed connection with the Jewish community began in the 1950s and 1960s when he lived in Great Clowes Street, Salford with his business associate, Ray Teret and hosted sessions at popular dance venues and coffee-dance clubs like the Plaza Mecca and the Three Coins in Fountain Street, Manchester where The Beatles appeared just as they were on cusp of fame and which was known affectionately as “The Three Cohens” because of its large Jewish clientele! Savile was also there when The Three Coins shut and re-opened as “Beat City” in August 1964.

angeldelight
25-11-2012, 12:10 AM
Brilliant Update on current events......

Who is controlling the MSM, SM, BBC, MP's, Paedo Rings in Westminster, Child Trafficking, Judges, Social Services.


Lawful Rebellion UK paltalk chatroom interview Brian Gerrish of UK Column 11th Nov 2012 - YouTube

magick_wanderer
25-11-2012, 12:11 AM
Ha ha! You mucky devil :D

I had to read that twice :eek: :D

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25-11-2012, 12:11 AM
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claydog
25-11-2012, 12:12 AM
OooooKey Doooookey

Just catching up with the posts after a delay but I quoted your thread earlier regarding OTO and my amazement at it's organisation.

However the drivel you have delivered regarding the 'IRA' is comical if I may be more than polite.
And that comes from B Co. 3 Batt. BBrig. O na hE .


14th intelligence detachment which was disbanded and was just renamed Special Reconnaissance Regiment. Special forces are highly trained psychopaths not fucking heroes, go back to the ARSE forums if you want to argue over acronyms and military bullshit

So you telling me the provo's topped Mountbatten? British intelligence has been fucking bombing us at home and abroad since British intelligence was created. It's all to maintain the atmosphere of suspicion and fear and to justify their very fucking existence to start with.

They cut lose royals with compassion also you know.. Charles has too much compassion and this is why his insane mother wont let him rule.. He is a fucking monster but weak by her standards. The royal hunts sort the weaklings out from the true sadists. And they get introduced and groomed from an early age to all kinds of insanity. British Majesties intelligence does a fairly good job of mopping up for them.

northernlass
25-11-2012, 12:13 AM
I just got told my daughter that Paul O Grady was on Alan Carr last night and he was actually warned by one of the house mothers not to leave Jimmy Saville alone with the girls at a childrens home in birkinghead.

earlier on though in conversation he said he got investigated for being the yorkshire ripper.

also in Alan Carrs book wrote in 2008 he cracks a joke when he wakes up with a disabled man
"please dont let me have been involved in an orgy on a sunshine coach"

which can be taken either way but he is one of the celeb supporters now of Variety club.

concernedmom
25-11-2012, 12:23 AM
does anyone know who this guy is


where'd he get all that info from??

it reads like verbal diarrhea but very interesting :D

chillyheat
25-11-2012, 12:30 AM
I just got told my daughter that Paul O Grady was on Alan Carr last night and he was actually warned by one of the house mothers not to leave Jimmy Saville alone with the girls at a childrens home in birkinghead.

earlier on though in conversation he said he got investigated for being the yorkshire ripper.

also in Alan Carrs book wrote in 2008 he cracks a joke when he wakes up with a disabled man
"please dont let me have been involved in an orgy on a sunshine coach"

which can be taken either way but he is one of the celeb supporters now of Variety club.

Seems they are all dropping hints or they sense something big is on its way.....

claydog
25-11-2012, 12:33 AM
I just got told my daughter that Paul O Grady was on Alan Carr last night and he was actually warned by one of the house mothers not to leave Jimmy Saville alone with the girls at a childrens home in birkinghead.

earlier on though in conversation he said he got investigated for being the yorkshire ripper.

also in Alan Carrs book wrote in 2008 he cracks a joke when he wakes up with a disabled man
"please dont let me have been involved in an orgy on a sunshine coach"

which can be taken either way but he is one of the celeb supporters now of Variety club.


Th entire carry on cast were controlled like automatons and celebrity is manufactured and totally controlled, Comedians like Tony Hancock, Many die in suspicious circumstances or "drugs overdose" Club 27 is not a myth.. Occultism and Faustian pact is not a myth. It's rife. and when you're in the magick circle you don't tell any one who is not part of it. Most are probably fucking traumatized by what they have seen and what they are part of for the price of high society. The Victorian era was horrific for us plebs.. We are lucky in comparison to our ancestors. This thing has been getting weaker not stronger but misinfio tries to convince us some great NWO is coming but it's always been here..

they have handlers, Amy Winehouse had one very close to her, these are not all just random acts from silly upset "stars" these stars are created and then destroyed on whims of the puppet masters. The parties that go on and the blackmail used to stop any one from ever speaking is what binds them all. The ritual at parties, pedophilia and child sacrifice is normal but it simply has trouble with the human mindset to accept this of our lovely "elites" in all walks of the establishment, but it's totally entrenched and the bloodline at the top is the royal.

Ordo Templi Orientis symbolism all over the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympics and the close was a blood offering to Tiamat the chaos god and this was to bring order through chaos which is NWO doctrine, disaster capitalism is part of this occultism. and we are just cattle in this game to them..

yass
25-11-2012, 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by white horse
What of Jim the Pill Cardus and other members of the Friday Morning Club?

http://http://i27.tinypic.com/eb3iic.jpg

There are two http:// in the url (http://http://) so can't get to the image without removing one.

http://i27.tinypic.com/eb3iic.jpg

That in mind if you would like your picture to show in a post if you just click on the icon above the area you write your post in that looks like a mountain with a yellow background and what looks like a postage stamp in the top right corner a little text field will appear to drop your image url into (ie or eg http://i27.tinypic.com/eb3iic.jpg) then you click okay and it wraps (adds) the image tags around the url in your post causing the image to show. You'll want your little mousy blinking thing to be where you want to set the picture.

Otherwise you can always hand write (type) your tags to your image url:



image url goes here-->http://i27.tinypic.com/eb3iic.jpg

I had to put it in code because if I just typed it out it wouldn't show because it is a command to show a picture and read as such by the board software.

The square brackets, left and right, are located to the right of the 'P' key. img can be written in either lower case or caps.

martyr pope
25-11-2012, 12:34 AM
14th intelligence detachment which was disbanded and was just renamed Special Reconnaissance Regiment. Special forces are highly trained psychopaths not fucking heroes, go back to the ARSE forums if you want to argue over acronyms and military bullshit

So you telling me the provo's topped Mountbatten? British intelligence has been fucking bombing us at home and abroad since British intelligence was created. It's all to maintain the atmosphere of suspicion and fear and to justify their very fucking existence to start with.

They cut lose royals with compassion also you know.. Charles has too much compassion and this is why his insane mother wont let him rule.. He is a fucking monster but weak by her standards. The royal hunts sort the weaklings out from the true sadists. And they get introduced and groomed from an early age to all kinds of insanity. British Majesties intelligence does a fairly good job of mopping up for them.

Dear mods,
As an example to freedom of speech I would be grateful if you didn't remove this reply to this fuckwit.
I am not in anyway going to derail this thread but if this fuckwit had read my earlier posts he/she would know where I'm coming from.
As regards Mountbatten the perv - I KNOW - it was COLLUSION as I have said about four times.
Do you think I'm an ARSE forum type of bloke you fucking idiot - do you know what O na hE is you prick . Best regards.

For Fucks Sake Jimmy Jones where art thou.

yass
25-11-2012, 12:39 AM
All I can say in, I was banned from another forum for posting forensic evidence from a leaked police report clearly indicative of unexplained child deaths , possibly murders, in Haut de La Garenne, Jersey. They claimed I was posting copyrighted material, but that's b.s., I have a fair idea who leaked it and they're not going to sue, they did it to get it out there. I have been researching these rings since 2008. I knew a lot of things would come out after Savile's death, the only thing that surprised me is how long it has taken.

People who joined in 2007 are just as likely to be disinfo agents as any of the newbies, have you thought about that aspect?

You should search this thread searching with anders7777 username and poisoning the well where he cautions us about it. It is my sense that you ...

Gosh, I started this reply hours ago it seems. Maybe not. Have had company, phone calls, and other diversions.

Oh, okay. I have the sense that what you're referring to might be in the same category as what someone else posted that anders was warning us to be cautious about because of a concept called 'poisoning the well'.

luv evreone
25-11-2012, 12:41 AM
YT comment......(8 months ago).....He is not Paul, that is the secret and the reason why she divorced him. revelation in November - zephiloyd

There is a member here with the same name, they've posted ITT......

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=39750

Maybe they want to tell us what they know? :D

claydog
25-11-2012, 12:43 AM
Dear mods,
As an example to freedom of speech I would be grateful if you didn't remove this reply to this fuckwit.
I am not in anyway going to derail this thread but if this fuckwit had read my earlier posts he/she would know where I'm coming from.
As regards Mountbatten the perv - I KNOW - it was COLLUSION as I have said about four times.
Do you think I'm an ARSE forum type of bloke you fucking idiot - do you know what O na hE is you prick . Best regards ,an abused former PROVO .

For Fucks Sake Jimmy Jones where art thou.


Why you arguing with me then? British military are terrorists. what problem do you have with that? you just looking for a fight? fire away I don't find you very threatening though:rolleyes:

Plenty of good men in Ireland have been fitted up by British intelligence I don't see how you can argue with me on that. I am not trying to prove any points just relaying from people I've met from both sides of the mess. I have family in Derry and I have family in the Pathfinders and one life long friend who is currently still badged and they know they are working for the real monsters,

tangodeltafoxtrot
25-11-2012, 12:46 AM
There are two http:// in the url (http://http://) so can't get to the image without removing one.

http://i27.tinypic.com/eb3iic.jpg

That in mind if you would like your picture to show in a post if you just click on the icon above the area you write your post in that looks like a mountain with a yellow background and what looks like a postage stamp in the top right corner a little text field will appear to drop your image url into (ie or eg http://i27.tinypic.com/eb3iic.jpg) then you click okay and it wraps (adds) the image tags around the url in your post causing the image to show. You'll want your little mousy blinking thing to be where you want to set the picture.

Otherwise you can always hand write (type) your tags to your image url:



image url goes here-->http://i27.tinypic.com/eb3iic.jpg

I had to put it in code because if I just typed it out it wouldn't show because it is a command to show a picture and read as such by the board software.

The square brackets, left and right, are located to the right of the 'P' key. img can be written in either lower case or caps.

Thanks for that. Always struggle with posting pictures!

nickeys brain
25-11-2012, 12:48 AM
Everytime i posted a question at jimmyjones i got the same thing, huge copy and paste jobs so the page changes pretty quick and pushing posts into oblivion, of course it could be coincidence, then again..............


I'm a newby too..... don't take it personally.... you will see this is a really fast moving thread.... I don't know about other people but i go back and forwards to catch up...... sometimes I have to start from the last thread and work backwards for a while just to get a feel for what is being talked about ....

concernedmom
25-11-2012, 12:52 AM
Is it a full moon tonight???

I think the thread is going bonkers!!! :confused:

C'mon peeps pull yourselves together. :)

nomorewifi
25-11-2012, 12:59 AM
I never notice a member's post count or join date when I'm reading what they say. I've just felt uneasy about some of the stuff recently, not because it's anything I do or don't want to hear, but the timing has perfectly disrupted a particular momentum or line of discovery in this thread, more than once.

As anders says, best to just let it all play out and see where it leads.

dentedarthur
25-11-2012, 01:04 AM
Is it a full moon tonight???

I think the thread is going bonkers!!! :confused:

C'mon peeps pull yourselves together. :)

damn, can't see the moon, weather is terrible
the sun has however been kicking out a raft of coronal mass ejections last two or three days, and are currently incoming, and depending on viewpoint, may or may not effect the mind, we are communicating via electrical synapses, regardless.

what is frustrating for all surely is the lack of movement on the saville path in relation to arrests promised, further investigations or exposure from the MSM etc. they've slowed to a crawl, and will continue to hold it off for as long as possible surely

however, the truth will out eventually
and it will be painful, maybe not for most here, but for the rest of our families near and far

keep on brothers and sisters
y gwir yn erbyn y byd!

voicefromnowhere
25-11-2012, 01:05 AM
I think the poster was under the impression that B Co. 3 Batt. BBrig. O na hE
was some kind of British Unit. lol. That's how it appears to me.

Anyway. The Group [14 intel] were just a bunch of maverick dudes who would probably sell their own Mothers. Nothing good ever comes of people like that. I know quite a lot about the AGC back in the day in '93.

yass
25-11-2012, 01:11 AM
At Anders can you embed this photo of Robert Plant and Jimmy Savile please ?

http://www.allposters.fr/-sp/Led-Zeppelin-Musicians-the-Group-with-Jimmy-Savile-at-the-Melody-Maker-Awards-Affiches_i3960652_.htm

They all knew one another.

Hi

Can someone more savvy do it, I only know how to post jpgs.

Great find tho!!!

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4112/jimmyledzepetc.jpg


Aight' I'm the savvy one :D


---------
I'd like to add a posting tool (tip) for those who don't know about it.

Multi-quote is a feature for when you want to quote more than one person in a reply (and make it easy on yourself).

As you read along and run across posts you'd like to comment to just tick the little multi-quote button and it'll turn red.

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/2228/multiquote.jpg

After ticking one or more, when you're at the final one just hit the normal reply button on that final post and they will all be there (I think in the order you ticked them... um, either that or in the order they'd been posted.. I've had to rearrange the posts in my post reply a time or two for some odd reason).

You can edit the replies of course like when you want to cut out excess portions of long posts to comment on a certain particular thing for intance.

http://imageshack.us/a/img801/6955/quotereply.jpg

real_jimmyjones
25-11-2012, 01:11 AM
Dear mods,
As an example to freedom of speech I would be grateful if you didn't remove this reply to this fuckwit.
I am not in anyway going to derail this thread but if this fuckwit had read my earlier posts he/she would know where I'm coming from.
As regards Mountbatten the perv - I KNOW - it was COLLUSION as I have said about four times.
Do you think I'm an ARSE forum type of bloke you fucking idiot - do you know what O na hE is you prick . Best regards ,an abused former PROVO .

For Fucks Sake Jimmy Jones where art thou.

Watching this madness :-)

yass
25-11-2012, 01:14 AM
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/28/2812/RSJOD00Z/affiches/led-zeppelin-musicians-the-group-with-jimmy-savile-at-the-melody-maker-awards.jpg

Oh gosh I did it again. I should have gone on reading the posts. I reckon you're the savvy one :p :o

reptileslayer
25-11-2012, 01:14 AM
Th entire carry on cast were controlled like automatons and celebrity is manufactured and totally controlled, Comedians like Tony Hancock, Many die in suspicious circumstances or "drugs overdose" Club 27 is not a myth.. Occultism and Faustian pact is not a myth. It's rife. and when you're in the magick circle you don't tell any one who is not part of it. Most are probably fucking traumatized by what they have seen and what they are part of for the price of high society. The Victorian era was horrific for us plebs.. We are lucky in comparison to our ancestors. This thing has been getting weaker not stronger but misinfio tries to convince us some great NWO is coming but it's always been here..

they have handlers, Amy Winehouse had one very close to her, these are not all just random acts from silly upset "stars" these stars are created and then destroyed on whims of the puppet masters. The parties that go on and the blackmail used to stop any one from ever speaking is what binds them all. The ritual at parties, pedophilia and child sacrifice is normal but it simply has trouble with the human mindset to accept this of our lovely "elites" in all walks of the establishment, but it's totally entrenched and the bloodline at the top is the royal.

Ordo Templi Orientis symbolism all over the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympics and the close was a blood offering to Tiamat the chaos god and this was to bring order through chaos which is NWO doctrine, disaster capitalism is part of this occultism. and we are just cattle in this game to them..You have made some very important points claydog ie:
This thing has been getting weaker not stronger but misinfio tries to convince us some great NWO is coming but it's always been here. How very true, as the decades have been going by, they have been trying to keep the lid on it, and trying to refine their control system more and more. But they have one major Achilles heel, that they can not stop the abuse and ritualism, as Icke states, they need the energy from it all. the cards will fall its inevitable, then the human race will have to grow up!

claydog
25-11-2012, 01:20 AM
I think the poster was under the impression that B Co. 3 Batt. BBrig. O na hE
was some kind of British Unit. lol. That's how it appears to me.

Anyway. The Group were just a bunch of maverick dudes who would probably sell their own Mothers. Nothing good ever comes of people like that.


The British intelligence just wanted to cause mayhem and keep people fighting over shit they did in secret and blamed other factions, standard issue dark arts of British intelligence and they are masters at it. And when you approach the subject you get jumped on by somebody from one side who can't see it was just one side to start with playing all fucking sides like toys..

My Irish side of the family will argue all fucking day but will always be at the same place they started every fucking time, they wont hear it was all bullshit and people were totally manipulated. It's all piss and pride and patriotism which as a single word is a total abomination and one word can make good men do evil things to each other.


Terrorist cells come from Whitehall and the Pentagon, maybe a few groups of good men existed but the British slaughtered them a long time ago and the dark arts is a veil of secrets maintained by military intelligence. They gave us Taliban to excuse the army slaughtering opium farmers for fucksake so they created Irish paramilitary groups too.. Our entire British army was wiped out by "Taliban" in the first Anglo afghan war.. So "Taliban" are hardly new, they are just warrior cultures who don't like divide and conquer, true fucking heroes actually. But sold to us via TV as villains by the real villains.

MI5 MI6 call it "the great game" and it is to them.. it's a living hell for us plebs though and I am not going to carry on arguing with my fellow man when we should be focusing our intentions at the true Monsters inc


I fail to see how any one can argue with this, it's so staggeringly obvious that things are totally wrong and totally controlled..

whiterain
25-11-2012, 01:21 AM
Is it a full moon tonight???

I think the thread is going bonkers!!! :confused:

C'mon peeps pull yourselves together. :)

saturday night syndrome. didn't mean to cast aspersions over the newer members, more just highlighting my own little uncertainties and how difficult it all is. many of the new guys have brought a hell of a lot to this place in a short time, but it takes time to sort the truth from the fiction. love you newbies :)

as i said before though even the guys who seem to be shills often benefit from their time spent here. the amount of gradual turnarounds i have seen is immense and a great credit to the posters round here who stick with it through the bad times. even some of the daily mail crowd seem to mellow after a while here. its like a contact high or something. im sorry this is all off topic but i feel its important to get it out there sometimes, especially when we have exhausted many sources of info temporarily

voicefromnowhere
25-11-2012, 01:21 AM
British intelligence has been fucking bombing us at home and abroad since British intelligence was created.

Airey Neave escaped Colditz, but not his own chaps at home, eh, what what?
Yes, let's not forget that little gem.

anders7777
25-11-2012, 01:23 AM
This is the speculation as to why, the big secret.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102300

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=103430

About 3:20 is the bit you refer to. Is this the big secret Heather Mills refers to?
(NB Sourpuss Fiona Philips can barely contain her distaste of Mills!)
Heather Mills GMTV Rant (Part 3 of 3) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gl2iq3KTs8&feature=fvwrel)

With that in mind, watch John Lennon "Gimme Some Truth"
See here;
George Harrison
John Lennon "Gimme Some Truth" - Part 5/7 (HQ) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDhQ56OwDLY&feature=relmfu) pops in during recording:
4:40 check out the bannter...
John mentions the Fab Four... George Harrison buts in with 'Fab Three'.
Then John plays George his new nasty song "How do you Sleep" openly written about Paul, but maybe not for the reasons we know. (Check the next part for the visciousness with which he plays the song...)

Good article here:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html


Pushing slightly off topic, but it's part of the fakery of celebdom. And besides, McCartney has thrown HIMSELF into our thread! He has now stuck his head above the parapet. And if ALL the celebs who could have done that, fuck me, non, not even Bonio or MJ, has had more words written about them at DIF than PFaul, eh Mods? ;)

(Interesting that one of the comments on a Heather Mills Youtube vid claimed the secret would be revealed in November 2012.)

Now Faul has stuck his head above the parapet... why? Sure, us and other sites have been circulating photos of the Beatles in the early days with Vile. Surely the advice would have been to maintain silence like all the others. Or is it that with an increasingly high profile and packed touring schedule, McFaul fears he is bound to be confronted by someone asking the question about his early days and photos of saVile, so his aim is to get the message out there under his own steam, and then he can just repeat his own prepared meme ad infinitum "we always knew he was a bit odd/all Beatles groupies were over 16/no more to add/job done/ca$h ca$h ca$h"

But no... newbies here who are thinking the controversy is may be that he is implicated in the Savile furore in some way... no... the thing with Faul, he doesn't want too much scrutiny, We may not be winning the MSM battle, but this topic is bringing huge numbers downwards in a search for information. And in these waters of the internet you'll find convincing stories about people you wont find elsewhere.


Great post and links - I must admit the msm did a job on me, making me truly dislike Heather - now I've completely changed my mind - what got me most was this "party" in the USA / something happened. Something scared her to death. So much so that she has evidence with trusted friends...

marny
25-11-2012, 01:24 AM
That's true. And it's even bigger than that. Jersey is technically outside UK law entirely. It is a self-governing possession of the British Crown which means that it is not subject to the laws of the UK parliament. Which would be fine if it was governed by moral people. But it isn't, unfortunately. It is governed by an obviously and provably corrupt oligarchy.

I cannot prove it all yet, but I am convinced that high level child abusers deliberately used places like Jersey to commit their worst crimes - because they knew in these places the local authorities were ineffective and corrupt and/or quite literally above the law.

They are above the law wherever they are and this came from a GP quote "they can do anything they like". The courts uphold them every time. The number of children taken from loving families is just pure evil and they know they can do it . Baby P, I think someone has already mentioned , this was no coincidence . They recruit and take people from the lower levels of society with mental issues drug problems put them in places as carers where their role is solely to abuse or let others abuse. When they are caught these abusers get small sentences but their masters aren't named or touched . Savile was a willing recruit for these people if he was a psychopath /narcissist then they had someone who fitted in well with their aims. Savile in turn felt important because he was held in such esteem by important people and he could carry out his perverse ways but they pulled his strings. This has been going on for decades and I just can't understand how society has allowed this to happen. I think from this thread we know this is the real news of today, everything else out there in the media is a waste of time when they cannot even report the truth.How on earth can the lower level Masons justify this, they are equally corrupt , through association with the same club.

voicefromnowhere
25-11-2012, 01:26 AM
MI5 MI6 call it "the great game" and it is to them..


I fail to see how any one can argue with this, it's so staggeringly obvious that things are totally wrong and totally controlled..

Sure thing. Remember the group handlers cruising up in cars, offering young Irish women brown envelopes with cash to squeal on the local boys? Funny really, most of them ran off and openly told their tales. rightly so!

We'll hopefully all be free soon.

claydog
25-11-2012, 01:26 AM
In response to your question if I remember, it was you who insinuated the IRA hierarchy were involved on your say so in whatevever is going on in your head.
In response I said that it was comical because I have some knowledge and to supplement that I stated my former disposition which from your private message (NO response - in a public forum ) I was O na hE which you take as a British Military term as you don't Know what the acronym means...FFS.
Couldn't be further from the truth.Ask your family in Derry.
You ask if I am not looking for a fight.
No,because I've learned that violence solves fuck all and I'm pleased you don't find me threatening sitting behind your keyboard,as I am.
But,Hey.Things change.
Maybe coming to a town near you,very soon -see website for details.

Now can we get back to what this is really about - the abuse of children.




I said IRA is British military intelligence to maintain a forced environment of terrorism, just like AL-CIA-QAEDA. That's all I was saying, the British army has groups within it that most noddies have no clue about.

There is organised crime in Ireland that use the name IRA but they did not carry out mainland bombings and high profile killings..

ozpixie
25-11-2012, 01:27 AM
you've probably seen this and its probably old news but have found it and posted it. Not sure of the source either. There's
Loads of txt. Will get the link asap


King George VI followed this up during his marriage to the Queen with an illegitimate son named Michael Canfield (1926-69). He was brought up by Cass Canfield of Harper & Row Publishing and was the half-brother to the current Queen. Michael ‘Fitz’ Canfield later married the Duchess of Marlborough and ‘died’ soon after the wedding. There was no way he was going to be allowed to have children.10

But even this was pre-empted in the colonies and became known as New Zealand’s worst kept secret. Recently married and on Royal Tour with his wife (Elizabeth), newborn child (Elizabeth II) and homosexual incestuous partner (Louis Mountbatten), the future King George VI conceived a child with a Maori woman in March 1927.

As an adult, he was in charge of DoRAs (Defence of the Realm Acts) for British paedophiles on holiday in New Zealand, especially in Rotorua. He would cover for those who were caught or who had complaints against them, ensuring that there was no police record and that “the British tourists” got out of the country safely. His job was to cover up for British paedophiles, but it was also to ensure there was a ready supply of young Maori boys available for paedophilia who were encouraged to swim naked in the Priest and Radium pools.

http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=207&t=9767

This is interesting because there has been a lot of documentation to the effect that the old boy had a serious erectile dysfunction.He either couldnt get it up or keep it up.

So much so that they needed 'reproductive assistance' to concieve Tin Lizzie and Randy Margie as reported by their private physician at the time. There are also reports that Queen Mum found comfort in the arms of the royle surgeon on board the yacht on the way to the now famous US visit that led to them being dragged into the war.

Perhaps he just wasn't turned on by the old bag.

It would not be too hard to find this online.

thentherewere4
25-11-2012, 01:29 AM
does anyone know who this guy is

If you do ever find out who wrote that I want to meet him/her in person.

That's a promise.

anders7777
25-11-2012, 01:30 AM
As I'm being singled out I feel the need to comment. Yes I posted 3 large blocks of text (all related to Savile), and in the first post I apologised for the length of text and suggested to the mods that a 'spoiler' fuction (as per Digital Spy) would be useful to compress such text in future, so only those who wanted to see all of it need do so.

Before posting I didn't even see noncooperation's post which I allegedly wished to force up the page. This thread moves very quickly as we all know. I have been catching up hence remaining online but not having posted since.

Yes I joined fairly recently, in the wake of the Savile story breaking and things not adding up. The same is true of many.

In any case, everyone should read all the posts if they can (I have done so for the last several hundred pages). That way anyone's dastardly plan to 'forum slide' can be foiled. :cool:

EDIT: And I only post in this thread - correct. It's the biggest and best, and long may it remain so.


Neilvw, wasn't having a go at you, just pointing out how forum sliding works.

white horse
25-11-2012, 01:33 AM
Good post, thanks for explaining some things. Savile is/was a fascinating & evil person who appears to have been important to many and for many reasons.

I wasn't however trying to derail the thread - just give it a shove from another angle - and then watch the reaction.

I suppose I don't get excited easily, so missed the 'wave' with this thread but I think this thread realy stands for quite a bit of encouragement to people to take back their power and stop being a slave.

Never a bad thing.

It never hurts to look at that left panel and the join date...

Absolutely - doubts must be aired. The truth will out. The truth cannot be broken. The core that is left after the dross has been chipped away is the essence.

With that in mind, it's time to take a look at Steve Moxom again as an example of that. His nay-saying postings at his blog do not hold up to the overwhelming avalanche of evidence that we are not exaggerating the role of Savile.


http://stevemoxon.blogspot.co.uk/

There is still no compelling evidence – that is, evidence that amounts to proof beyond reasonable doubt (or anything near it) – that Savile was the serious sex abuser as he is portrayed. And we know from similar hysterias in the recent past – notably over what turned out to be the entirely groundless 'satanic sex abuse' supposed paedophile rings with countless 'victims' – that you can get a great multiplying of allegations even in the absence of any truthful basis. What is more, the spurious 'satanic sex abuse' scandals were in respect of alleged events that were current or in the recent past, whereas the events re Savile are decades in the past and therefore very likely to be the result of 'false memories'. The psychology of constructing fabrications of past events is a human universal, and is rife whenever there is a highly salient seed upon which a construction can be made. A famous and larger-than-life individual who had myriad inconsequential encounters with others is almost bound to be the subject of a plethora of 'false memory'-based supposed incidents.



Not according to the Police who took claims seriously enough half a dozen times. And not according to Police Criminologist who claimed that savile's MO made him a personality type as candidate for murder.

Those claims made recently, do seem to be based on some form of real events, as evidenced by the police investigations.


The upshot is that the sexual dynamics in which Savile found himself essentially were much more of a two-way street, with interactions that were mutually reinforcing. It is not at all hard to see how all this could ratchet up so that Savile got all too used to the dynamics and took liberties, as they say. It may be that instead of a formalised peck on the cheek, Savile would kiss on the mouth. There is a new 'Savile meme' of his cigar-smoke-smelling tongue rammed into unsuspecting mouths, and this likely reflects this extension of repertoire, but is also likely to be an exaggeration.




If you then add the media feeding frenzy, which provides a huge platform for attention-seeking, and additionally the prospect of large sums in compensation payouts with minimal need to supply proof in respect of any individual incident; then you have the perfect storm to actively facilitate women to come forward to redefine as coerced past sexual behaviour to which there was acquiescence if not full mutuality. Max Clifford points out that most of the many women coming forward to him appear to be fabricating – either exaggerating out of all proportion or making up the whole thing.





There is then the problem for such as Savile, that even if there is a desire not to infringe the arbitrary law, of how to ascertain the age of girls so as not to fall foul of the age-of-consent law. Given the falling age of puberty resulting in girls of fourteen/fifteen appearing to be years older, and the ubiquity of young girls lying about their age; then it is near impossible for a male not to fall foul of the law if he is engaging in a large volume of sexual activity. Therefore, even if Savile was mindful of this and trying to be careful, he would have ended up behaving in a way that might appear similar to how is being portrayed.





The allegations against Savile in respect of institutionalised girls look odd given Savile's access to girls generally. It could be that he realised that any complaint against him re such girls would tend not to be believed, and on this basis he targeted them; but his brazen attitude more widely belies this. Whether or not from his hubris as a celebrity, Savile may have regarded engagement with the girls sexually as in a real sense bringing them out of their institutionalisation and normalising to thereby actually benefit them; just as when he took them to the Top-of-the-Pops or Jim'll-Fix-It studios for recordings. The institutionalisation of such girls may well have led them more than usual to go along with the behaviour, such that a spiral of miscommunication could ensue, with Savile being unwittingly coercive. It is very easy to take the perspective that if Savile did indeed have sex with these sort of girls, that this is a simple abuse of authority and a very serious one; but the sexual dynamics above outlined apply, and there is an ever clearer basis for a retrospective redefinition of sex as coercive.





Let me list the major concerns …..
* None of the allegations are or even can be proved beyond reasonable doubt – or even on the balance of probabilities.
* That allegations are beyond disproof has allowed false allegations to be made with impunity.
* Standard 'criminal injuries' compensation payments of many thousands of pounds even for non-proven allegations are an obvious basis for false allegation, and in addition there is the ease of gaining compensation through civil law (against the BBC, for example) on the 'balance of probabilities' standard of proof.
* Girls/women often retrospectively redefine consensual sex as coercive, often for the most trivial reasons.
* 'False memory' construction is a normal part of human psychology, especially given a long elapse of time, as here.
* Given the huge number of opportunities for sex, a male such as Savile would have a tough time avoiding some 'error rate' in terms of miscommunication between the sexes -- the mixed signals of coyness and come-on that is the stuff of female courtship signals.
* An 'error rate' in respect of age-of-consent would also be inevitable given that girls of 14/15, owing to the ever earlier age of onset of puberty, often look 16/17/18; and young girls routinely lie about their age.
* Formal allegations even of rape, let alone lesser sexual assault, are in very high proportion bogus -- UK police rape investigators estimate 50%-70%, according to Sir Ian Blair. (<<< now there's a man to trust! - WH)
* Trawling -- especially when the police and media are in cahoots -- inevitably throws up a feeding frenzy of both complete invention and wild elaboration.
* Savile's very job was to flirt or mock-flirt with teenage girls, and even sideways hugs have been taken to be abuse in Savile's case (refering to Coleen Nolan? - WH) -- and now hysteria even over non-sexual hugs has prompted a silly accusation against Adam Hart-Davis.
* Savile's apparent sexual interest is not a preference or even a liking at all for pre-pubescents, so it is not paedophilia.
* The notion of hebephilia -- a liking or even preference for mid-/late-adolescents -- is not abnormal at all.
This is not at all to say that Savile may not be the abuser as he is being portrayed, but there is a strong likelihood that the true picture is quite different, and the truth is now impossible to ascertain.


On the last couple of points - that is not entirely incorrect. Although there are younger ages that have made claims against saVile, the general age touted was 14ish; we explained further up the thread why that was - because it is easier to get girls of that age alone, as they first venture out sans parent, with their mates; allowed to visit a TV studio unaccompanied, likely to be unattended on a hospital ward. Younger children may also have a harder time reporting incidents like that.



Jimmy Savile: Stupid hysteria over normal sexuality
If you showed photos of average girls ages fifteen or fourteen to the average man and did not label them with the girls' ages, then all normal men would find them attractive and would react sexually. [This can be measured physiologically, so there is no need to rely on possibly dishonest verbal responses.]


I've posted myself about morality, age and sexuality; got a bit roasted for it. My views are shifting, but I still maintain that sexual activity at a young age IS NOT ALWAYS MORALLY WRONG. This stems from my studies of psychology, sociology, and especially the works of Nancy Friday. That is not to say that if it is NOT wrong that it is AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT!! Do you see? A bit of a pedantic semantic point.

Here is the scenario: I am comfortable enough with myself, a 40yr old male, to accept truths, and to be able to rationalise. I accept what Moxon says above, that biologically speaking yes there is a sexual attraction to a sexually developed young girl, of course there is. If we want to get all Desmond Morris on this, then as men we must also accept that in the deep recesses of our psyche (but for some not so deep) the male of the species also carries a rape-reflex, known to biologists/anthropologists/psychologists.

That I also accept. However, we are not animals. We do not have to follow through with our base instincts; ANY HUMAN WORTH THEIR SOUL KNOWS WHETHER AN ACT IS CAUSING HARM TO OTHERS.

The problme with Moxon's apologistic stance is that it provides an excuse for men who follow through on their desires, however dark and 'wrong'. It is a very difficult topic because it is so emotional. Also, the use of the term 'paedophile' is a trigger word used by the NOTW to produce an effect int he population. Like in the US they use 'terrorist'. I agree there is no definitive evidence that Savile was a 'paedophile.

The trigger word in Vile's case was ABUSE. Whatever his sexual proclivities, the common factor was power dominance leading to abuse.

As for the exagerations, lieas and false memories from the 'victims' - yes it is true there is a lack of concrete evidence, but this amount of claims is staggering. It doesn't always happen when someone dies. Many celebs remain clean after they die. Some of the testimonials, especially the early ones, have been confirmed as not monetarily orientated.

Even Rancid agreed that their testimonies were too close and describing the same MO to all be lies.

Steve Moxon comes across as a pretty piss poor apologist for Savile.

In essence - he is stating that Savile was just a bloke, following urges. And the subtext to his blog pieces are that it was the victims fault.

So yes, bring forth the doubts and lets have them aired in full, open, in public, it is the only way to get to the truth.

claydog
25-11-2012, 01:33 AM
Sure thing. Remember the group handlers cruising up in cars, offering young Irish women brown envelopes with cash to squeal on the local boys? Funny really, most of them ran off and openly told their tales. rightly so!

We'll hopefully all be free soon.


Tout makers from special branch and 14th intelligence detachment, the wiki and other links to this is all disinfo, My dads side come from Derry not Londonderry I've heard it all and seen the fights over it all too and it's mostly just British playing games with the fuck around game in civvies not uniform, to carry on with the nastiness and not let peace have a foothold, and to let organised crime thrive also which all have handlers. Cartel bosses are at Carlisle group meetings, Gerry Adams a top Freemason I fail to see how people can't join the dots yet..

dentedarthur
25-11-2012, 01:34 AM
The British intelligence just wanted to cause mayhem and keep people fighting over shit they did in secret and blamed other factions, standard issue dark arts of British intelligence and they are masters at it. And when you approach the subject you get jumped on by somebody from one side who can't see it was just one side to start with playing all fucking sides like toys..

My Irish side of the family will argue all fucking day but will always be at the same place they started every fucking time, they wont hear it was all bullshit and people were totally manipulated. It's all piss and pride and patriotism which as a single word is a total abomination and one word can make good men do evil things to each other.


Terrorist cells come from Whitehall and the Pentagon, maybe a few groups of good men existed but the British slaughtered them a long time ago and the dark arts is a veil of secrets maintained by military intelligence. They gave us Taliban to excuse the army slaughtering opium farmers for fucksake so they created Irish paramilitary groups too.. Our entire British army was wiped out by "Taliban" in the first Anglo afghan war.. So "Taliban" are hardly new, they are just warrior cultures who don't like divide and conquer, true fucking heroes actually. But sold to us via TV as villains by the real villains.

MI5 MI6 call it "the great game" and it is to them.. it's a living hell for us plebs though and I am not going to carry on arguing with my fellow man when we should be focusing our intentions at the true Monsters inc


I fail to see how any one can argue with this, it's so staggeringly obvious that things are totally wrong and totally controlled..

yep, same goes for the burning of holiday homes in Wales
wasn't any of us, that's for sure. course, you get some local numpties trying to join in something they have no idea about, but the sustained burning campaign wasn't from the Welsh


whenever they're faced with any legitimate organised opposition they discredit any way possible, and, it works every time

voicefromnowhere
25-11-2012, 01:38 AM
Tout makers from special branch and 14 intel

I fail to see how people can't join the dots yet..

You're not wrong. I have friends in West Belfast and family in Mayo/Galway :cool:

It's all very strange. did you see the old cretin Paisley on TV a couple of weeks ago? That man is not quite right in the head.

yass
25-11-2012, 01:40 AM
Thanks for that. Always struggle with posting pictures!

My pleasure.

martyr pope
25-11-2012, 01:41 AM
Watching this madness :-)

Thank fuck for that .
I can understand why you you struggle to get your point across.
Everyones such a fucking bravado sitting with a keyboard in front of them.
There's sometimes a need for a 'Suspect Device' (nod to Jimmy) to wake things up.
This is about child abuse,nothing more nothing less,by politicians, by Jimmy Savile, by any fucking cunt who lives or lived on these islands and the sooner people listened to those who have bought the t-shirt , the better.
In my opinion like.
Please feel free to discombobulate.

claydog
25-11-2012, 01:42 AM
In response to your question if I remember, it was you who insinuated the IRA hierarchy were involved on your say so in whatevever is going on in your head.
In response I said that it was comical because I have some knowledge and to supplement that I stated my former disposition which from your private message (NO response - in a public forum ) I was O na hE which you take as a British Military term as you don't Know what the acronym means...FFS.
Couldn't be further from the truth.Ask your family in Derry.
You ask if I am not looking for a fight.
No,because I've learned that violence solves fuck all and I'm pleased you don't find me threatening sitting behind your keyboard,as I am.
But,Hey.Things change.
Maybe coming to a town near you,very soon -see website for details.

Now can we get back to what this is really about - the abuse of children.




Ireland has bore the brunt of abuse to children at the hands of the catholic church for centuries and this is all about abuse of all kinds not just children.

I don't think you'll find any of my words diverting from anything but total truth and full disclosure. I don't care about your affiliations and acronyms I judge a person on his character not his club membership, so your lame threat has been noted and overall aggressive stance towards anything I write.