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green_butterfly
23-11-2012, 04:29 PM
Thought for the day....... What is wrong with these scumbags? Are their minds so fucked up with a sense of sexual inadequacy that they are more carnally aroused by the screams of children being raped than having a lithe, mature woman on heat assuming the dominant topside ‘cowgirl’ position and bonking them senseless?

Regardless, fuck the corrupt Freemasonic Brotherhood - and their breast-bearing oaths and secret handshakes.

I've read every post on this thread and this gets my vote as the best post. It sums it up perfectly. *applause*

green_butterfly
23-11-2012, 04:32 PM
Someone at the Daily Mail must be a David Icke fan. They actually printed my comments.

"Icke has been proven right on many things, he was the first person to publicly name Savile as a paedophile. In 1998 he accused ex PM Ted Heath of being a peado, and worse. Heath never sued him, how come. As for his theory of shape shifting reptilians controlling the world, who knows? Some people may think this sounds bonkers, but it's no more crazy than organized religions doctrines. The Bible has the same theory as Icke on this, just replace the word reptilians for demons. There is also a lot of snake and serpent references in the Bible. In our mad world, it's normal for the state to endorse official 'supernatural' religions, but to ridicule any other form of extra dimensional supernatural theory. Think about it, by the states own admission, we are run by a bunch of nutters, and probably psychopaths."
- steppewar , london, 18/11/2012 18:16

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234615/MoS-reporter-secret-paedophile-pay-MI5-Not-really-ludicrous-claims-web-eloquent-argument-state-control-newspapers.html

Brilliant :) Well done :) Anyway it's Friday, I'm clocking off and going to the pub with my husband in an attempt to switch off. Have a good evening everyone xxx

nickeys brain
23-11-2012, 04:33 PM
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chillyheat
23-11-2012, 04:34 PM
Your name: James Wilson Vincent Savile is associated with the gematria number 7.
Your name in hexadecimal: 4A 61 6D 65 73 20 57 69 6C 73 6F 6E 20 56 69 6E 63 65 6E 74 20 53 61 76 69 6C 65
Your birth date: 11311926 corresponds to Life Path number 6.

Number Seven People
Your capacity for hard work is amazing. You are very independent. While intelligent and friendly, you have a strong streak of selfishness and sharp cunning and should guard against being egotistical. Your number suggests success as an adventurer, scientist, poet, or politician. A person with this number is said to be popular, cheerful and quick-witted. On the other-hand, someone with the number 7 can be stubborn and impulsive. Number Seven People are supposed to be kind to strangers. But he is not good working with relatives. Number Seven People are strong and friendly.

Number Seven People are popular, cheerful, skillful with money, and perceptive, although they sometimes talk too much. The are wise, talented, good with their hands, and sometimes have a weakness for members of the opposite sex. They are impatient and hot-blooded about everything except their daily work. They like entertainment and large crowds. They are very independent and rarely listen to advice. Number Seven People are very appealing people. They are warm and friendly and dearly love social gatherings with plenty of people. They are perceptive and enjoy talking. They have a high spirited nature and are changeable. This makes them hot-tempered, rash, and headstrong. They are always falling in and out of love. Quick to warm to someone, they are just as quick to lose interest. Here today and gone tomorrow - these are the Number Seven People. Then when you decide not to see them again, here they come ready to pick up where they left off!
Number Seven People are adventurers at heart, but they do have sharp minds and good abilities for managing money. They are self-reliant and energetic. They love exercise, both mental and physical. Their movements are rapid, yet graceful; their speech is quick, yet elegant. Number Seven People want things their way and they will become aggressive when all else fails. They value their freedom above all else. They are not possessive or jealous of others. Being moody creatures, Number Seven People depend on the feel of things. They possess the ability to improvise while events are in motion and can handle several things at once. Number Seven People find it difficult to unwind. They keep strange hours and suffer from insomnia. When they stop, it is usually from exhaustion. It is hard for them to follow a schedule for they have no respect for routine. They need to keep busy but do best when given a free hand.

Number Seven People are full of new ideas to solve tricky problems. When they have an idea, they want to get right to it. They work around the clock until they finish. Number Seven People want you to come to the point quickly since they don't have time to spare. They will not care if you are blunt, just don't waste their time.

Number Seven People must be allowed to show their emotions. They are hot-blooded, hot-tempered, and impatient, and they will gladly demonstrate. In love, Number Seven People are quite vulnerable. They give up everything for the object of their affections. This causes them trouble since they are such impulsive creatures! They must learn to use caution. Number Seven People receive most of the attention. Number Seven People like being the hub and have everything revolving about them. In return, they work hard and share with everyone.

Number Seven People don't mind starting over. They maintain their determination and enjoy new successes. They belong in careers where they are surrounded by people. They sway crowds and love being flattered. The willful Number Seven People get into countless predicaments but they bail themselves out. They enjoy fighting their own battles. Colorful and lively, they make many friends. If they could be in several places at once, they would be delighted! Their spirit is restless and searching. Creativity is part of their being. They are talented writers and performers.

Life Path 6
The Life Path 6 suggests that you entered this plane with tools to become the ultimate nurturer, and a beacon for truth, justice, righteousness, and domesticity. Your paternal, or maternal, as the case may be, instincts with a 6 Life Path exceed all others by a considerable margin. Whether in the home or in the work place, you are the predominant caretaker and family head. While the 6 may assume significant responsibilities in the community, the life revolves around the immediate home and family, for this is the most domestic of numbers. Conservative principles and convictions are deeply ingrained and define your character.

You are idealistic and must feel useful to be happy. The main contribution you make is that of advice, service, and ever present support. You are a humanitarian of the first order. It is your role to serve others, and you start in the home environment. You are very human and realistic about life, and you feel that the most important thing in your life is the home, the family and the friends.

This is the Life Path related to leadership by example and assumption of responsibility, thus, it is your obligation to pick up the burden and always be ready to help. If you are like the majority with Life Path 6, you are one who will willingly carry far more than your fair share of any load, and you are always there when needed. In doing so, you take ownership and often become an authority over the situation.

In romance, the 6 is loyal and devoted. A a caretaker type, you are apt to attract partners who are somewhat weaker and more needy than yourself; someone you can care for and protect. The main ingredient that must prevail in the relationship is complete harmony. You don't function well in stressful relationships that become challenges for you to control. It is the same with friends, you are loyal and trustworthy. But there is a tendency for you to become dominating and controlling.

It's likely you feel compelled to function with strength and compassion. You are a sympathetic and kind person, generous with personal and material resources. Wisdom, balance, and understanding are the cornerstones of your life, and these define your approach to life in general. Your extraordinary wisdom and the ability to understand the problems of others is apt to commence from an early age. This allows you to easily span the generation gap and assume an important role in life early on.

The number 6 Life Path actually produces few negative examples, but there are some pitfalls peculiar to the path. You may have a tendency to become overwhelmed by responsibilities and a slave to others, especially members of you own family or close friends. It's easy for you to fall into a pattern of being too critical of others; you also have a tendency to become too hard on yourself. The misuse of this Life Path produce tendencies for you to engage in exaggeration, over-expansiveness, and self-righteousness. Modesty and humility may not flow easily. Imposing one's views in an interfering or meddling way must be an issue of concern.

The natural burdens of this number are heavy, and on rare occasions, responsibility is abdicated by persons with this Life Path 6. This rejection of responsibility will make you feel very guilty and uneasy, and it will have very damaging effects upon your relationships with others. :eek:


Almost has him to a tee....Might do my own :p

dolores1
23-11-2012, 04:35 PM
Nickeys brain you are a very welcome asset to this forum.

Brilliant posts.

D.

illuminumnuts
23-11-2012, 04:39 PM
Take note - since this McAlpine shit started, suddenly people have stopped talking about Max Clifford, the well known abuser protecting, scandal concealing, shit-into-gold cunt who looked like he might finally be brought down to earth recently. He's got dirt on everyone and so will be protected at the highest level.

I think he might be heading for a bit of turbulence at the very least. ;)



I heard last night that the Big Fat Mac wants anyone on twitter who called him a PAEDOPHILE to donate ....£ 5.00 to Children in Need - A political Masterstroke said the cunt Portillo.

Has he taken anyone to court yet? :confused:



Totally agree. The government wants both parents working full time, nobody talking to eachother, children un - reared, paying maximum taxes, all part of the agenda. Which is why I'm currently a stay at home mum to two happy kids. :)

Yes, Russo had first hand knowledge and revealed it all. :(



I work from home too, and I'm able to spend a great deal of time with my kids. Although if I want to stay self-employed I better break the hold this thread and subject is having on me, or at least ration myself. Not really helping myself, by joining the conversation. :)

Just give what you can and make sure you stay involved for the long term. The last thing we want is people overdoing it and dropping out altoegther. :(



hello, another new member I've been lurking here but posting over on Digital Spy. I've finally worked up the courage to post. I'm not usually into "conspiracy theories" but this is just such a weird story that you can't help but not believe what we are being fed. I'm still not sure on what is really going on but my mind is opening up more.

Here is a smoking gun for you. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 04:40 PM
Thanks for the mention, I was just about to post here also. What I have to say, if it checks out will no doubt bring me a whole lot of personal insults and public condemnation. I believe that the truth should be told, whatever or whoever feels uncomfortable about it, and I am including myself in that. I have to check some facts first, but what I discovered today, though not directly Savile-related (but who knows eh?) will have a bearing on the proposed new Child Abuse Enquiry, the Investigation and the Media coverage. Some of the Survivors/victims will be affected, as will many people both directly and indirectly involved.. This whole subject is touching on the lives of so many at the moment, the Media are feeding so much crap into the mix, I almost feel that in some way they have been badly advised with the information they print, or they are deliberately misleading the public away from an even bigger issue, which has the capacity to take them down with it if it is discovered. I of course, cannot comment on that aspect. Please bear with me as I have to check, and recheck all the facts before I go ahead with this. Rumours and innuendo will not suffice in this case. I have left certain details with a trusted member of the media I am in contact with in any case, who will hopefully pursue it on my behalf.

BTW: have been trying to contact David Icke by E-Mail via Forum, have not heard back yet..

We are with you all the way bud.....Be strong :)

hangthedj
23-11-2012, 04:43 PM
+1

Try @ing him on Twitter, he responds to people on there all the time. Tell him who you are on here as well although I would think he's keeping abreast of this thread...

Not that it should matter, but it's not just David who uses that account, it's also his 'team' (according to the profile). I would guess the same team monitor the more important parts of the forum (?)

martyr pope
23-11-2012, 04:52 PM
discovery 77
There's some interesting names on that list of Water Rats ,and regardless of them being absolutely shit their careers seem to have flourished.

Mafia of the mediocre.

I mean tes____ ng, t_____ ing, Norman fu____ in__ Collier _ or __ucks __ ake, I th_____ t _ e _ ied __ uckin __ ears _go.

nickeys brain
23-11-2012, 04:53 PM
Nickeys brain you are a very welcome asset to this forum.

Brilliant posts.

D.


Thank you... I just wish I had more time,.. I start reading a thread then it has a link.. i go to the link from there I go on a bit of a mad one linking that to other things and before i know it I'm 100 behind on the threads and it's nearly bedtime or nearly time to go to work ahhhh

margery_bruce
23-11-2012, 05:00 PM
Benjamin J Arthur ‏@BenjaminJArthur
Interesting blog on why McAlpine is keeping it out of court! http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/twitter-mcalpine-is-bluffing-thats-why.html?spref=tw …
Retweeted by paul

hangthedj
23-11-2012, 05:01 PM
Carole Malone is an irrelevant, rotting carcass sitting on the cesspit of the dying MSM, just like all the others. :) Anyhow, is it official that Alpro gave the £310,000 to charity? It is what they unequivocally said in the video.

'And he is giving it all away to children's charities.' :)



I'm not sure - it has been 'suggested' that he gave teh money to charity, but that seems to be a rumour.

The small sums or £5 - £750 he has requested they be donated to charity through him.

I have not seen anything stated by hime that either of the larger sums that any of it was given away.

They may have suggested a portion will be given to charity, and let the rest happily rumour mill along cos it looks good for him.

So, £5 to the (imo now deeply suspicious) Children in Need, plus a £750 'admin' fee?

And the story now goes that it all goes to a deserving 'charity' (not that less than 0.01% of the total does)?

All the while the spotlight has been taken totally off Savile's links to the royal 'family', MI5 and 6, the Masons, former prime ministers, cabinet members and senior government officials, the civil service, the entire corporate structure of the BBC, international arms deals, etc etc etc?

Even without possible kickbacks from the lawyers, that must be worth a fairly fucking pretty penny to Mcalpine!!!!! #quidsin

And all the while (let us not forget, please may we never forget - that this is the main concern, and why we are here) children are being bought, sold, raped, prostituted and destroyed by some of these people, as I type this now, and as you read it.

I may need to log off for a bit I am so fucking furious. I am not, and never have been, a violent person, but I do not know how to deal with this anger and sadness I have at the moment, it is almost unbearable...

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 05:04 PM
In trying to find when JS met Uncle Dickie came across this guy! I dont know if he has been mentioned before. But LM invited him across to Britain to start the Colleges! Plus he also started Gordonstoun. Never married, closeted homosexual some say and converted from Judaism to Protestant faith! Very interesting character;) well worth a read. 1st college was in Wales..seems all roads lead to Wales:rolleyes: Back to digging..but I keep coming back to these bloody stone breakers..JS ancestors where big in the funny handshake brigade, but why was none of his other siblings famous, well apart from his brother who also got done as a peodo!?? need a door too open OR a crack too appear!

BUT THIS GUY IS WORTH READING ABOUT..was his schools training grounds for those who can't be mentioned!

Kurt Hahn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kurt Matthias Robert Martin Hahn (5 June 1886, Berlin – 14 December 1974, Salem) was a German educator whose philosophies are considered internationally influential. He founded the United World Colleges, an alliance of international schools.

Hahn settled in Scotland, where he founded Gordonstoun on similar principles to the school in Salem. Later, Hahn converted to Christianity and preached in the Church of Scotland. He also started an international organisation of schools, now called the Round Square. Hahn was also involved in the foundation of the Outward Bound Organisation, Atlantic College in Wales and the wider United World College movement, and the Duke of Edinburgh Award.

Finally anybody else find it funny, frustrating when trying to research on line and it is posts from this thread that come up!! We are always in the top ten! All I can say "Well done guys!" we seem to be doing better than the MSM.

Always try to stay on thread but will say if you follow the link and Kurt's seemingly sexual preferences you will find more interesting info re our royal family, was going to post the link but thought it would take us off track !:D

tameelf
23-11-2012, 05:10 PM
Benjamin J Arthur ‏@BenjaminJArthur
Interesting blog on why McAlpine is keeping it out of court! http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/twitter-mcalpine-is-bluffing-thats-why.html?spref=tw …
Retweeted by paul
hi margery twitter army is recruting @tameelf

trafficker
23-11-2012, 05:10 PM
Anonymous said...

So Nadir, a Turkish Cypriot was in business with Elizabeth Forsyth, daughter of Thomas McAlpine.

http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/sitenewsreadmore/infobox/news/template/default/active_id/1320

Nadir/Poly Peck was selling arms to Iraq. Mark Thatcher received 12 million from a weapons sale and Polly Peck tried to cover it. This pushed the button for the company’s collapse under the British Serious Fraud Office.P

http://www.cyprusexpat.co.uk/blog/read/id:1035/asil-nadirs-company-used-for-selling-weapons-to-iraq

[I understand MI6 used British companies to get around the embargo, many were collapsed to take the fall, leaving a lot of disgruntled businessmen like Gerald Reavney James, Astra.]

Scallywag (Wilson, Davis) had compromising photos of Y, which they were selling to Nadir.

Giovanni di Stefano is representing Nadir, he has refused to withdraw allegations re X.

X was somehow connected to the SA nuclear matter.
X raised £100m for the party.

No wonder there was no libel claim re the Scallywag article.

Anonymous said...

Elizabeth Forsyth is the daughter of Peggy McAlpine, (104 year old paraglider).

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/317054/Paragliding-Peggy-goes-into-record-books-again-at-104

Article states husband Thomas died 1980. I can find no record of Thomas McAlpine. I have found nothing in the Peerage about this branch of the McAlpine family, nothing to suggest a link to the construction branch, other than her claim.

Anonymous said...

robert maxwell would hold parties on his yacht for people he wanted to impress, the drug ..... was put into the 2 punch bowls, a little later boys nd girls would come in and be shared out, next few days people would be contacted and told the child you were with was under age and unfortunately many photos were taken, we will do our best to keep this concealed, but we need from you....

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 05:12 PM
So, £5 to the (imo now deeply suspicious) Children in Need, plus a £750 'admin' fee?

And the story now goes that it all goes to a deserving 'charity' (not that less than 0.01% of the total does)?

All the while the spotlight has been taken totally off Savile's links to the royal 'family', MI5 and 6, the Masons, former prime ministers, cabinet members and senior government officials, the civil service, the entire corporate structure of the BBC, international arms deals, etc etc etc?

Even without possible kickbacks from the lawyers, that must be worth a fairly fucking pretty penny to Mcalpine!!!!! #quidsin

And all the while (let us not forget, please may we never forget - that this is the main concern, and why we are here) children are being bought, sold, raped, prostituted and destroyed by some of these people, as I type this now, and as you read it.

I may need to log off for a bit I am so fucking furious. I am not, and never have been, a violent person, but I do not know how to deal with this anger and sadness I have at the moment, it is almost unbearable...

+1 Feel exactly the same, this is taking over my life BUT what I keep saying to myself is these people feed of anger, sadness, fear and the rest THAT is why they have got away with it! So we have to radiate love, protection and strength! If not they will suck the life out of us! Sorry to sound so dramatic but I believe this is how we will bring them all to justice! Love and light my friend..:)

borsabil
23-11-2012, 05:14 PM
Thought for the day....... What is wrong with these scumbags? Are their minds so fucked up with a sense of sexual inadequacy that they are more carnally aroused by the screams of children being raped than having a lithe, mature woman on heat assuming the dominant topside ‘cowgirl’ position and bonking them senseless?

Regardless, fuck the corrupt Freemasonic Brotherhood - and their breast-bearing oaths and secret handshakes.

We will never have an honest debate on paedophillia, deviant sexuality has become too normalised, and no I'm not referring to homosexuality, for us to really discuss the subject honestly. Our culture is drenched in sexual imagery, little kids can access the Internet on their mobiles and immediately view the most depraved hard core porn imaginable. Sorry to come over like Mary Whitehouse but unless we start protecting children from predatory adults wishing to indoctrinate them into deviancy, the vast majority of said adults society views with approval, then we will continue the slide down to the monstrous outcome of child rape becoming just another lifestyle choice.

obliette
23-11-2012, 05:18 PM
Can someone clarify this for me, is there any link between Savile and Bryn estyn, apart from 1 report in a newspaper?

I tracked back the story as far as a Sun article, I could not find any other source (although the story was repeated in other papers and on blogs).

If you accept what Darren Laverty (and I *think* Jimmy Jones as well) say, they do not believe Savile was ever there.

silent one
23-11-2012, 05:19 PM
It has probably been said before, that Sa-Vile was knighted in 1990 well after investigations (curtailed) were first carried out, and we know that Elish Angiolini was made a Dame after it become clear that she was instrumental in the cover up of the Hollie Grieg case. I do believe that the the boils, sorry i meant royals have to be involved, lets face it, with all the peados in the moronic lodgers, sorry i meant masons, and prince phillip is one of the top morons, sorry i meant masons. I just do not believe they don't know and are complicit.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 05:22 PM
Someone at the Daily Mail must be a David Icke fan. They actually printed my comments.

"Icke has been proven right on many things, he was the first person to publicly name Savile as a paedophile. In 1998 he accused ex PM Ted Heath of being a peado, and worse. Heath never sued him, how come. As for his theory of shape shifting reptilians controlling the world, who knows? Some people may think this sounds bonkers, but it's no more crazy than organized religions doctrines. The Bible has the same theory as Icke on this, just replace the word reptilians for demons. There is also a lot of snake and serpent references in the Bible. In our mad world, it's normal for the state to endorse official 'supernatural' religions, but to ridicule any other form of extra dimensional supernatural theory. Think about it, by the states own admission, we are run by a bunch of nutters, and probably psychopaths."
- steppewar , london, 18/11/2012 18:16

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234615/MoS-reporter-secret-paedophile-pay-MI5-Not-really-ludicrous-claims-web-eloquent-argument-state-control-newspapers.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by allseeingipod
Take note - since this McAlpine shit started, suddenly people have stopped talking about Max Clifford, the well known abuser protecting, scandal concealing, shit-into-gold cunt who looked like he might finally be brought down to earth recently. He's got dirt on everyone and so will be protected at the highest level.

Rupert Murdoch - he has drifted off a lot of people's radars now but that poisonous cunt is one of the most despicable bastards on the face of the earth. He's also got dirt on everyone and will likewise be protected at the highest level, simply because TPTB are terrified of his and the information he's got.

Ken Clarke - it looked like he was on the verge of being outed as some sort of wrong 'un. This would be catastrophic for Cameron's faltering bastard spawn of a coalition.

Note that the hysteria surrounding McAlpine is being fuelled by the MSM. What we need to do is to completely ignore him now. I think if there was any realistic chance of anything concrete coming out about him and kids, it would have done so by now. So for now, we probably have to accept that it's not his time. But to keep wasting valuable time and resources on this despicable excuse for humanity is to do ourselves an injustice, IMHO.

Perhaps it might be a good idea to start looking at the names on Schofield's list who didn't threaten to sue. That very likely included Derek Laud, a man who (as others have also pointed out) I feel could be the weak link in the chain. He's not really 'one of them' in that he came from a humble background and by all accounts was treated as a kind of novelty (black pseudo toff with a taste for fox hunting etc). He seems not to have the same cool indifference and raw cunning about him as the others of his ilk...

There is no question that our eye has been very much taken off the ball by all this. If the MSM are reporting on it widely that it's very likely a distraction. The biggest stories either don't make the mainstream media at all or are barely touched upon.

I don't suppose there's any link between Savile and Laud...
Spot on post!!Agree with every word.Mc Slagpile just a distraction.We were on the right track with Ken Clarke,Derek Laud, et al.Cuntish Energy vampires like Mc Slagpile feed off all the attention.Time to get back on track.Back on the ball.!!!!!!Send Mc Slagpile back to the living hell of total obscurity were he belongs.
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23-11-2012, 06:37 AM   #21723




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tbh there are so many named up to no good

All the above

Need to make a list really

One or two floating about already...

The other mob are organised and have big big guns

We need to think like sun tzu

Guerilla warfare...

Snipers

Ambushes

Traps

Make the enemy fight the enemy...

natclak
23-11-2012, 05:24 PM
It was Rex Features. I found that bearded image of him obviously he had a Peter Sutcliffe fixation then. ;)

Here they are......

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/7889/jim1l.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/3649/jim2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img211/6848/jim3m.jpg
Ray Terret
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3680/jim4.jpg

Taken from this site.....

http://www.rexfeatures.com/search/?&kw=jimmy%2520savile&sft=&pg=20&context=&viah=N&ord=N&pl=40&smtpfx=&stk=N&lkw=&iso=GBR&od=G&search_newest=search_newest

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 05:25 PM
Sorry if this has been posted. I know that the Ken Livingstone/MI5 statement has been raised before, but not sure if this audio clip has been posted:

http://soundcloud.com/gypsumfantastic23/ken-mi5

Ken Livingstone stating that MI5 filmed abuse at the Kincora Children's Home.

borsabil
23-11-2012, 05:26 PM
Thanks for the mention, I was just about to post here also. What I have to say, if it checks out will no doubt bring me a whole lot of personal insults and public condemnation. I believe that the truth should be told, whatever or whoever feels uncomfortable about it, and I am including myself in that. I have to check some facts first, but what I discovered today, though not directly Savile-related (but who knows eh?) will have a bearing on the proposed new Child Abuse Enquiry, the Investigation and the Media coverage. Some of the Survivors/victims will be affected, as will many people both directly and indirectly involved.. This whole subject is touching on the lives of so many at the moment, the Media are feeding so much crap into the mix, I almost feel that in some way they have been badly advised with the information they print, or they are deliberately misleading the public away from an even bigger issue, which has the capacity to take them down with it if it is discovered. I of course, cannot comment on that aspect. Please bear with me as I have to check, and recheck all the facts before I go ahead with this. Rumours and innuendo will not suffice in this case. I have left certain details with a trusted member of the media I am in contact with in any case, who will hopefully pursue it on my behalf.

BTW: have been trying to contact David Icke by E-Mail via Forum, have not heard back yet..

Good luck, I've read your posts with great interest, just keep safe. Btw I can count on the finger of one finger the number of inquiries that have achieved anything except advance the interests of those in power. What we need here is relentless public pressure for this whole thing to be put in the hands of honest cops, and yes they do exist, and for that pressure to be maintained until a proper criminal investigation is carried out and the guilty prosecuted to the full extent of the law. When I hear politicians start talking about inquiries I know the fix is on.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 05:26 PM
Sun Tzu


Sun Tzu quotes
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself,
you will succumb in every battle”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War, Special Edition

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”
― Sun Tzu

“All warfare is based on deception.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“A leader leads by example, not by force”
― Sun Tzu

“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
― Sun Tzu

“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.”
― Sun Tzu

“When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.”
― Sun Tzu

“know yourself and you will win all battles”
― Sun Tzu

“Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across.”
― Sun Tzu

“Even the finest sword plunged into salt water will eventually rust.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“You have to believe in yourself. ”
― Sun Tzu

“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.”
― Sun Tzu

“Thus we may know that there are five essentials for victory: (1)
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. (2) He
will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces.
(3) He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout
all its ranks. (4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take
the enemy unprepared. (5) He will win who has military capacity and
is not interfered with by the sovereign.”
― Sun Tzu

“When the enemy is relaxed, make them toil. When full, starve them. When settled, make them move.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Be extremely subtle even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent s fate.”
― Sun Tzu

“When one treats people with benevolence, justice, and righteoousness, and reposes confidence in them, the army will be united in mind and all will be happy to serve their leaders'.”
― Sun Tzu

“There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. ”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“If the mind is willing, the flesh could go on and on without many things.”
― Sun Tzu

“To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Move swift as the Wind and closely-formed as the Wood. Attack like the Fire and be still as the Mountain.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, Sun-Tzu: The Art of Warfare

“When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press
a desperate foe too hard.”
― Sun Tzu

“Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting.”
― Sun Tzu

“One may know how to conquer without being able to do it. ”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the
opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.”
― Sun Tzu

“There are not more than five musical notes, yet the combinations of these five give rise to more melodies than can ever be heard.

There are not more than five primary colours, yet in combination
they produce more hues than can ever been seen.

There are not more than five cardinal tastes, yet combinations of
them yield more flavours than can ever be tasted.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”
― Sun Tzu

“The general who advances without coveting fame and retreats without fearing disgrace, whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom.

― Sun Tzu

“What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“If quick, I survive.
If not quick, I am lost.
This is "death.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu

“He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight”
― Sun Tzu

“To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, then the general is to blame. But, if orders are clear and the soldiers nevertheless disobey, then it is the fault of their oficers.”
― Sun Tzu

“Wheels of justice gind slow but grind fine”
― Sun Tzu

“Energy may be likened to the bending of a crossbow; decision,
to the releasing of a trigger.”
― Sun Tzu

“In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack--the
direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to
an endless series of maneuvers.”
― Sun Tzu

“Water shapes its course according to the nature of the ground
over which it flows; the soldier works out his victory in relation
to the foe whom he is facing.”
― Sun Tzu

“Treat your men as you would your own beloved sons. And they will follow you into the deepest valley.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“Thus the expert in battle moves the enemy, and is not moved by him.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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“If you are strong, appear weak. But if you are weak, appear strong.”
― Sun Tzu

anders7777
23-11-2012, 05:29 PM
Sorry if this has been posted. I know that the Ken Livingstone/MI5 statement has been raised before, but not sure if this audio clip has been posted:

http://soundcloud.com/gypsumfantastic23/ken-mi5

Ken Livingstone stating that MI5 filmed abuse at the Kincora Children's Home.


'I know that many people who are aware of the Brotherhood and its Agenda, feel the only way to respond is by stockpiling weapons and preparing for an armed defence of their liberties......The idea of meeting violence with violence is so obviously contradictory and so utterly devoid of the faintest spark of intelligence, that one wonders how few brain cells must be activated to conjure such a thought'. David Icke

=====
yes

Meet violence with wisdom

concernedmom
23-11-2012, 05:30 PM
Here they are......

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/7889/jim1l.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/3649/jim2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img211/6848/jim3m.jpg
Ray Terret
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3680/jim4.jpg

Taken from this site.....

http://www.rexfeatures.com/search/?&kw=jimmy%2520savile&sft=&pg=20&context=&viah=N&ord=N&pl=40&smtpfx=&stk=N&lkw=&iso=GBR&od=G&search_newest=search_newest


my thinking was that seeing as Savile liked to wear wigs then with the right one he could have looked like Sutcliffe which is the image witnesses got and who was also some kind of companion of Saviles at the time. So there you have the 'Yorkshire Ripper'.

ceasar909
23-11-2012, 05:34 PM
WHO THE HELL FOUND THIS?

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9011/brunosolongsuckers.jpg

TRUTH GOLD.

I wish I had some time to catch up with the thread... busy day... off to printers to pick up leaflets!!

bruno dosnt look at ease in this shot,bribed forced i dont know but its dosnt look right.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Good luck, I've read your posts with great interest, just keep safe. Btw I can count on the finger of one finger the number of inquiries that have achieved anything except advance the interests of those in power. What we need here is relentless public pressure for this whole thing to be put in the hands of honest cops, and yes they do exist, and for that pressure to be maintained until a proper criminal investigation is carried out and the guilty prosecuted to the full extent of the law. When I hear politicians start talking about inquiries I know the fix is on.

The problem is

Those in power ALWAYS give away anything only as a last resort

And ONLY to a "safe pair of hands"

Honest cops exist but their careers do not reach the peaks

Look at Stalker

Who btw has NEVER been knighted...

We are all tbh doing trial by internet

We are doing our own "discovery"

Hence the haste to muzzle us all

Lev will be the next step

Then a process of attrition

Machiavellian setups

We are in one huge one now

noncooperation
23-11-2012, 05:37 PM
Please tell me if I am being 'out of order' with this post, but I have read every post on this thread with interest, followed the links etc and would like to add my own thoughts. Everybody who has even half a functioning brain cell, can see that there is something fundamentally wrong with the whole Savile thing. The conspiracy of silence, misinformation and distraction tactics by both the Media and the establishment is, in itself quite revealing in the attention and time spent on making the whole thing go away. Every piece of mundane drivel is being hoisted up the MSM flagpole in order to draw the eyes away from Savile and his network. I personally think that people looking at Symbolism, News Tickers at certain times, links with the Yorkshire Ripper enquiry, though interesting are at best Red Herrings, But I do applaud the attention to every detail and following up of every lead, however tenuous. This is only my view, but this is far more simple as I look at it. Savile is as guilty as hell, we know that, but as he has now died, attention should switch on finding the very thing that makes what he did even possible. The thing that allowed him to move in such illustrious circles and gave him a 'get out of jail free' clause in everything he did. He could not have been able to do any of this alone, we know that, and discovering the one thing that he held, and was able to wield with such power in order to make such powerful people risk everything in order to cover for him. All the links are there, he was a serial abuser, there is also much evidence that he was involved in procuring children for nefarious purposes for person or persons as yet unknown. We must look at how a charmless chancer like Savile, managed to hold such sway with the Royals, and with the very upper reaches of the establishment. Without that lever, Savile would not have been given the time of day under normal circumstances. He sold his soul many years ago, and we have got to find out who was the purchaser.... His tracks have been covered so very well, that the only chance to be had now is to find someone who is willing to talk, and that will be almost impossible. By digging into the lives of the people that Savile 'served' is the only other chance of getting to the root of this... I await being torn apart by the good people on this forum now. Thanks for listening.
I have read quite a few replies to this post and I agree also.

The particular point for me is in bold - and this led me to the conclusion that he must have been an agent of the secret services, with very high clearance (hence his envolvement/trusted position with the royals), this is one of the only plausable explainations for me; how else to explain everything?

Hidden in plain sight - that's the best 'cover' of all - IMHO Jimmy was a 'top' agent and spy, the paedo ring stuff was just his area of expertise - being a 'specialist' in this area!

Let's not let this side of it distract us though - I belive Jimmy was more than a paedo and child procurer and that is maybe why there is a lot of resistance concerning the truth about him coming out.

Also not to forget these are the powerful satanists here that have ruled over this place for many years and have set up a complex system to operate within and most importantly 'to protect them from us finding out about their activities!'

anders7777
23-11-2012, 05:46 PM
bruno dosnt look at ease in this shot,bribed forced i dont know but its dosnt look right.

To be fair

I think he often looks like that

Just trawl through the unposed photos

trafficker
23-11-2012, 05:47 PM
bruno dosnt look at ease in this shot,bribed forced i dont know but its dosnt look right.

even in the sun picture he looked haggered, loads of mind control or something like that

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01617/_Frank_Bruno_1617819a.jpg

anders7777
23-11-2012, 05:49 PM
even it sun picture he looked haggered, loads of mind control or something like that

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01617/_Frank_Bruno_1617819a.jpg

Yup...

trafficker
23-11-2012, 05:50 PM
Yup...

the eyes dont lie

positive_forward
23-11-2012, 05:55 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061154792&postcount=43

food for thought follow the link to the links..

trafficker
23-11-2012, 05:56 PM
Uproar Over French Anti-Smoking / Oral Sex Campaign

Oh, France. Beaucoup de ways to illustrate "To smoke is to be a slave to tobacco," and you choose this one?

Today's NYT reports on the many groups who are unhappy, particularly feminists and advocates for sex abuse victims. (One of the three posters features a girl.) However, the article doesn't give voice to any objections that campaign is trying to scare teens away from smoking with the assumption that the worst thing in the world is to be gay. Which is exactly what the Onion did last year as a joke, including this position. (Clip below has perfect satire of insipid morning chat, and slurs.)

At least Bertrand Dautzenberg, president of the French Office for the Prevention of Smoking, retains some common sense. He says the ads "will shock adults while not scaring kids.”

http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/bandofthebes/media/

http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc27e53ef01310f35bc13970c-800wi

http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc27e53ef01310f35bc13970c-800wi

revlovejoy
23-11-2012, 06:01 PM
I tracked back the story as far as a Sun article, I could not find any other source (although the story was repeated in other papers and on blogs).

If you accept what Darren Laverty (and I *think* Jimmy Jones as well) say, they do not believe Savile was ever there.

Thanks.

This is all about Murdoch. It is, as ever, a win win game for him.

Levenson
BBC
internet regulation
Establishment gossip
sex crimes
Celebrities

Murdochs favourite obsessions.

positive_forward
23-11-2012, 06:02 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061154792&postcount=43

food for thought follow the link to the links..

I'll post it make what you will of it

Savile Unravels: Seeing Right Through the Anti-Savile Hysteria
There is still no compelling evidence – that is, evidence that amounts to proof beyond reasonable doubt (or anything near it) – that Savile was the serious sex abuser as he is portrayed. And we know from similar hysterias in the recent past – notably over what turned out to be the entirely groundless 'satanic sex abuse' supposed paedophile rings with countless 'victims' – that you can get a great multiplying of allegations even in the absence of any truthful basis.

What is more, the spurious 'satanic sex abuse' scandals were in respect of alleged events that were current or in the recent past, whereas the events re Savile are decades in the past and therefore very likely to be the result of 'false memories'. The psychology of constructing fabrications of past events is a human universal, and is rife whenever there is a highly salient seed upon which a construction can be made. A famous and larger-than-life individual who had myriad inconsequential encounters with others is almost bound to be the subject of a plethora of 'false memory'-based supposed incidents.
So what can we say for definite about Savile (apart from that he was on the odd side of larger-than-life, if not a creep)? Well, Savile was a personification of the role he was expected to fill. As a DJ his job was to create a fun and indeed sexual atmosphere by flirting or mock-flirting. The obvious fact is that his position, as a foremost media star within pop music culture in the febrile atmosphere of the pop music scene in its heyday, was one of an alpha-male, and as such he had and was seen to have sexual licence.

Not only would it be that Savile felt able to approach girls/women sexually, but girls/women would expect and in many cases not be averse to this. Girls usually would at least go along with it, if not be actively facilitative. It must be borne in mind that just as someone in Savile's position would be both particularly attracted to and be in a position to act on his attraction to females at the peak of their appeal – a few years post-puberty, at the start of their sexual lives; correspondingly, females, in being sexually attracted to conspicuously successful males, would have been attracted to Savile, and notwithstanding a considerable age difference.

The particularly high-status older male together sexually with the nubile girl, as we can see throughout history, is as natural as it gets. Only in contemporary Western culture since the advent of the 'political-correctness' political-philosophy within the past two decades has this been regarded as a form of abuse. It is most certainly not 'paedophilia', which is defined precisely as an exclusive sexual interest in individuals below the age of puberty. Not only is Savile's interest clearly in post-pubertal girls, but it is not established even then that he had the exclusive interest necessary for a categorisation of 'hebephilia' (corresponding to 'paedophilia' but re adolescents, not children).

His extraordinary position meant that he could indulge in a narrow preference for the most highly nubile females, and simply to have promiscuous sex with them without having to offer long-term partnership. This is wildly beyond any realistic hope for all but a very small minority of males, but certainly not beyond their normal dreams. The scope of Savile's sexual interest a psychiatrist would tell you is normal for males.

The upshot is that the sexual dynamics in which Savile found himself essentially were much more of a two-way street, with interactions that were mutually reinforcing. It is not at all hard to see how all this could ratchet up so that Savile got all too used to the dynamics and took liberties, as they say. It may be that instead of a formalised peck on the cheek, Savile would kiss on the mouth. There is a new 'Savile meme' of his cigar-smoke-smelling tongue rammed into unsuspecting mouths, and this likely reflects this extension of repertoire, but is also likely to be an exaggeration. Exaggeration is natural human behaviour to make an event more significant than it otherwise would be. Regarding sexual behaviour there is always the dimension that for girls/women any form of sex is often regretted because of the question that it raises of sexual proprietariness.

[The main form of mutual denigration that females employ is to portray in terms of sexual over-availability. This is because it injures a female's chances of securing a male long-term (as opposed to a short-term) partner. It is the key weapon in female intra-sexual competition.] For this reason, any accusation by a female against a male of inappropriate sexual behaviour should always be regarded with some suspicion. This goes completely against the current politically dominant philosophy of 'political correctness' contempt for the male, and this is a key feature of the current hysteria against Savile.
If you then add the media feeding frenzy, which provides a huge platform for attention-seeking, and additionally the prospect of large sums in compensation payouts with minimal need to supply proof in respect of any individual incident; then you have the perfect storm to actively facilitate women to come forward to redefine as coerced past sexual behaviour to which there was acquiescence if not full mutuality. Max Clifford points out that most of the many women coming forward to him appear to be fabricating – either exaggerating out of all proportion or making up the whole thing.
To return to the issue of the nubile girl: contemporary age-of-consent law reflects a pejorative view of sex with nubiles stemming from Victorian times that is now anachronistic. The average age of puberty back then was 17, whereas now it is eleven and still falling. If the girls Savile preferred indeed were aged fifteen or fourteen, given the contemporary reality of the age of sexual maturity out of childhood, then sexual attraction to girls at these ages is normal.

The objection that sexual maturity is not emotional maturity is true only inasmuch as full 'emotional' maturity may well not be until age sixteen: the onset of 'emotional' maturity is from the hormonal surge at the beginning of puberty, in that it is this hormonal surge which initiates the adult reorganisation of the brain. In consequence, there is sufficient emotional maturity by age of first sex. Clearly, the evolutionary process would never have given rise to females having sex before they were fully ready to engage in it and deal with the consequences.

The brain in fact does not reach full maturity in terms of an end to profound plasticity, until age twenty-five. No-one suggests that sexual activity should be proscribed by law until that age. The average age of first penetrative sex is difficult to ascertain, but it is generally agreed to be below age sixteen – age fifteen (15.0 or 15.3 years) according to the 1999 Global Sex Survey. Yet this is an average taken across all age groups: the age of first sex of someone now aged 60 or 70 is likely to be considerably older than someone now aged fourteen.

Thus, the age of first sex for today's adolescents is likely to be around fourteen if not younger. Furthermore, the definition in law of sex in terms of age-of-consent is regarding any orifice and any form of penetration (penis, finger, object), or even non-penetration, it would seem, if it involves the labia/vulva. The average age of onset of any such sexual behaviour inevitably will be notably lower still than re full penile-penetrative sex.


It is true, of course, that some girls are still very immature in all respects at age fourteen, but this is in large part a 'class' issue, given that epigenetic changes to girls born into less socially structured and secure environments – notably single-parent families in 'underclass' and other 'lower' class milieu -- bring about especially early puberty, resulting in a polarisation in average age of puberty according to broad social grouping. Augmenting this is the highly protracted adolescence and early adulthood of the middle-class education track. The issue then becomes one of an imposition on others of criminal law from a middle-class reality which is particularly inappropriate for some other social groups.
There is then the problem for such as Savile, that even if there is a desire not to infringe the arbitrary law, of how to ascertain the age of girls so as not to fall foul of the age-of-consent law. Given the falling age of puberty resulting in girls of fourteen/fifteen appearing to be years older, and the ubiquity of young girls lying about their age; then it is near impossible for a male not to fall foul of the law if he is engaging in a large volume of sexual activity. Therefore, even if Savile was mindful of this and trying to be careful, he would have ended up behaving in a way that might appear similar to how is being portrayed.

It is a further issue as to whether or not Savile was actually coercive – that is, intentionally so – in his behaviour. He hardly needed to be, and even if he actually tried to be careful in this respect, given the volume of sexual activity then with the regular miscommunication between the sexes (especially in the light of mixed signalling by females of coyness and 'come-on'), it would be fully expected that errors would be made. Compounding with the above-mentioned retrospective redefinition of consensual sex as coercive, it is almost inevitable that accusations would accrue to someone in Savile's position, irrespective of his actual character.


The allegations against Savile in respect of institutionalised girls look odd given Savile's access to girls generally. It could be that he realised that any complaint against him re such girls would tend not to be believed, and on this basis he targeted them; but his brazen attitude more widely belies this. Whether or not from his hubris as a celebrity, Savile may have regarded engagement with the girls sexually as in a real sense bringing them out of their institutionalisation and normalising to thereby actually benefit them; just as when he took them to the Top-of-the-Pops or Jim'll-Fix-It studios for recordings. The institutionalisation of such girls may well have led them more than usual to go along with the behaviour, such that a spiral of miscommunication could ensue, with Savile being unwittingly coercive. It is very easy to take the perspective that if Savile did indeed have sex with these sort of girls, that this is a simple abuse of authority and a very serious one; but the sexual dynamics above outlined apply, and there is an ever clearer basis for a retrospective redefinition of sex as coercive.

The issue of harm is held to be self-evident, and in any case it is argued that sexual coercion of females of any age, let alone at or under the age-of-consent, is fundamentally unacceptable. This stems from the very deepest biological/evolutionary reasons: the essential basis of all social system in 'policing' male access to sex (which is for reasons beyond my scope here). The obvious harm ancestrally and historically is the obvious one that a girl could end up with a child by a male who is merely indulging in extra-pair sex (and therefore is not intending to support the girl and any subsequent child) and/or is in any case somehow an unsuitable male – that is, lacking in 'good genes' (the basis of male attractiveness across biology).

Well, Savile was a very high-status male and there is only one case (so far as I'm aware) in which a putative victim alleges that an abortion was required. It is not clear whether or not Savile used condoms – if, indeed, it is clear that much of the alleged actual penetrative sex took place. Irrespective of these considerations, the harm that is alluded to is the supposed most serious harm of child sex abuse. But even if there was abuse, there was no child sex abuse (unless the outlier allegation of sex with a pre-pubertal boy is proven) because the girls were all past the age of puberty. [In any case, meta-studies on the adult clinical-psychological sequelae of child sex abuse show a very surprising minimal if not null impact.] One woman is claiming that Savile's hand up her skirt when on air in a TOTP filming when she was a teenager has resulted in her subsequent broken marriage, yet there is nothing apparent in the video that she was even upset at the time. Such is the ludicrosity of the cases springing to light.

Overall, there are multiple inter-related and mutually reinforcing facets to the hysteria over Savile, and the essential truths of the male-female dynamics are being completely ignored. The feeding frenzy is feeding upon itself and may turn out to have emanated from little real meat in the first place. It may well be that Savile went beyond an excessive laddishness to exploit the lucky situation in which he found himself, to become reckless as to the acquiescence of girls to engage in sex. It may further be the case that Savile turned into (or was from the outset) an out-and-out abuser, but as yet this is unproven and there appears to be no way forward even in principle whereby it could be proven.

The Savile hysteria is a marker for our times, which will distinguish them as being peculiarly at odds with human nature and remarkably intolerant and plain stupid. Savile has become an emblem for a cultural hatred of the male. As a relatively low-status male myself, I hardly have great affection for high-status males such as was Savile; even those who behave as perfect gentlemen. The concern must be that if this is how we now jump to malign even high-status males, then as regards the majority of males – boys as well as men – we can only marvel at the extent of prejudice and contempt directed towards them.

# posted by Steve Moxon @ 12:15 PM 0 comments links to this post
Monday, October 22, 2012

IN DEFENCE OF THE BBC OVER SAVILE
SAVILE HYSTERIA MIGHT BE BALONEY:
HE MIGHT WELL BE THE ABUSER AS PORTRAYED, BUT THERE IS REASON TO DOUBT IT.

The hysteria -- which comes from the evolved imperative to control male sexual access -- has made everyone take leave of their senses.
No friend of the BBC am I, given its nowadays thoroughgoing PC-totalitarianism; nevertheless the BBC was upholding good journalistic standards in not broadcasting a set of non-proven and non-provable allegations.

Let me list the major concerns …..
* None of the allegations are or even can be proved beyond reasonable doubt – or even on the balance of probabilities.
* That allegations are beyond disproof has allowed false allegations to be made with impunity.
* Standard 'criminal injuries' compensation payments of many thousands of pounds even for non-proven allegations are an obvious basis for false allegation, and in addition there is the ease of gaining compensation through civil law (against the BBC, for example) on the 'balance of probabilities' standard of proof.
* Girls/women often retrospectively redefine consensual sex as coercive, often for the most trivial reasons.
* 'False memory' construction is a normal part of human psychology, especially given a long elapse of time, as here.
* Given the huge number of opportunities for sex, a male such as Savile would have a tough time avoiding some 'error rate' in terms of miscommunication between the sexes -- the mixed signals of coyness and come-on that is the stuff of female courtship signals.
* An 'error rate' in respect of age-of-consent would also be inevitable given that girls of 14/15, owing to the ever earlier age of onset of puberty, often look 16/17/18; and young girls routinely lie about their age.
* Formal allegations even of rape, let alone lesser sexual assault, are in very high proportion bogus -- UK police rape investigators estimate 50%-70%, according to Sir Ian Blair.
* Trawling -- especially when the police and media are in cahoots -- inevitably throws up a feeding frenzy of both complete invention and wild elaboration.
* Savile's very job was to flirt or mock-flirt with teenage girls, and even sideways hugs have been taken to be abuse in Savile's case -- and now hysteria even over non-sexual hugs has prompted a silly accusation against Adam Hart-Davis.
* Savile's apparent sexual interest is not a preference or even a liking at all for pre-pubescents, so it is not paedophilia.
* The notion of hebephilia -- a liking or even preference for mid-/late-adolescents -- is not abnormal at all.
This is not at all to say that Savile may not be the abuser as he is being portrayed, but there is a strong likelihood that the true picture is quite different, and the truth is now impossible to ascertain.

# posted by Steve Moxon @ 12:25 PM 0 comments links to this post
Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Jimmy Savile: Stupid hysteria over normal sexuality
If you showed photos of average girls ages fifteen or fourteen to the average man and did not label them with the girls' ages, then all normal men would find them attractive and would react sexually. [This can be measured physiologically, so there is no need to rely on possibly dishonest verbal responses.]
The age of puberty in girls – its onset (menarche) – is just eleven or below; and therefore a fifteen- or fourteen-year-old girl is several years post-puberty. Not only is she sexually mature but very near her peak of fertility, which is the age at which men have evolved to find females most attractive of all. Furthermore, the girl is not emotionally immature, given that the hormonal surge at puberty is responsible for initiating the adult organisation of the brain. It is no surprise then that surveys show the majority of people – male and female, let alone just girls -- have already had full sex before their fourteenth birthday.

Why, then, is the age-of-consent set in law at age sixteen? This was set back in Victorian times when the average age of menarche was at the astonishingly late age of seventeen. So the age when sex was deemed illegal even back then – in the context of a wild panic about what was the bogus notion of 'the white slave trade' – was set actually below the age of female puberty.

The age-of-consent law is now a serious anachronism, and means that most people break the law. It is a major infringement of the freedom of young people, especially of boys given the two-year maturational gap between the sexes and the preference girls have for older males. It is also an inappropriate attack on natural sexual relationships between a girl and a considerably older man, such as in the current case of the fifteen-year-old girl and her thirty-year-old teacher. There are plenty of instances of pupil-teacher relationships that become marriages with children that long endure. That such relationships are deemed a supposed abuse of authority is no defence for the silly hysteria, because status is the very key attribute of men that girls have evolved to find particularly attractive. The pupil-teacher sexual relationship is ever likely to happen and could not make better evolutionary sense. In the contemporary context of the PC ('political correctness') totalitarian attack on the mass of ordinary people, the law regarding sex is a direct attack on boys and men.

So how does Jimmy Savile – a notably high-status male – fall foul of what should be common-sense acceptance of the reality of sex? Only if he did indeed use coercion as alleged; but here is where the likely truth should stop anyone jumping to that conclusion. There is plenty of research showing a very high proportion of even formal allegations of sexual assault to police are fabrications (likely the majority; see the analysis in the book, The Woman Racket); and for often highly trivial reasons – especially to cover mild embarrassment. Girls and women routinely regret sexual encounters and retrospectively redefine them as coercive. [This must have been much more the case prior to the free availability of near-infallible contraception and the legal availability of abortion.] Then we must add the dimension of also well-researched 'false memory' construction, especially given the great elapse of time – several decades.

This is only the start of teasing out multiple factors that conspire to create a bogus feeding frenzy. Savile's incredible public profile guarantees attention for the attention-seeker. His death and the absence of any forensics or (other) witness guarantees immunity of even outlandish accusations from being challenged. The media – let alone the police – trawl is an open invitation for any of the huge number of girls who had sexual encounters with Savile to come forward with all sorts of fanciful elaborations of what actually took place.
The likely reality of Jimmy Savile's sexual behaviour is that he was a normal man in the abnormal situation, through being high-status and within the pop world in a newly 'sexually liberated' era, of being in the milieu of a large number of girls at the peak of their attractiveness and willing to engage in sexual activity. It would be amazing if, given the volume of sexual activity, that the ever-present problems of mis-communication between the sexes (notably female mixed come-on and coyness signals) would not lead on occasion to sex the girl did not want.

A man in a man's 'dream' position as Savile found himself easily could become used to the sexual activity such that his guard may be lowered as to checking that the girl was fine with what was going on. Of course, it may be also that Jimmy Savile was cavalier and in fact an abuser; but there is no basis of determining this given the nature of any evidence available. The only thing we know for sure is that his high profile more or less obliged him to be larger-than-life, so even his seeming oddness is likely no clue to anything. Myself, I've always found him creepy, and I never warmed to the man even in early Top of the Pops days (never mind the cringeworthy Jim'll Fix It), but that's probably just a lowly-male reaction to how society indulges the minority of high-status males.

The upshot is that an honest view of Jimmy Savile is very much at odds with our contemporary perspective, which is a politically-driven hysteria that will come to be seen as such a madness as to be a warning from history.


# posted by Steve Moxon @ 10:32 AM 0 comments links to this post
Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Unprovable hysteria about Jimmy Saville that might well be mostly or even wholly nonsense

Jimmy Saville has always seemed on the odd side of larger-than-life if not a creep, but the world's gone mad in crazy presumption he was seriously weird and criminal. Is it really so hard to tell the difference between allegation and proof? And is it really so hard not to be able to see the scenario whereby the whole thing could be one big charade?

Take a hypothetical alpha-male media star of pop whose milieu necessarily is of very young women and older girls, and a career spanning several decades. He will have attracted the interest of a staggeringly large number of these very young women and older girls, and it's actually his job to flirt or mock-flirt with them. If he's a normal male then he will have gratefully accepted this interest and have had various levels of sexual encounter with lots of them over very many years. Given the usual communication issues between the sexes, then even if he were fairly careful there are bound to be a low proportion of encounters where, on the one hand, as the male he to some extent mis-read the mixture of coyness and come-on signals; and, on the other hand, the female involved either didn't know her own mind or retrospectively reinterpreted the encounter in the light of subsequent regret for what happened. With the scale of interest in him, then there is every scope for a man to become to some extent a fast worker, as they say; compounding the inevitable communication problems.

Now, factor in what is known of the incidence of fabricated rape allegations – conservatively 35% on Home Office figures [see my analysis in my book, The Woman Racket]; 50%-70% according to Sir Ian Blair's own study of the beliefs of rape investigators in the UK (and which is 50%-905 in similar studies around the world) – and factor in too that the target has been long prominent in the public eye. Then additionally take account of what is known of the false construction of memory, especially given the great elapse of time since the alleged incidents; and also the huge publicity facilitating copycat behaviour, and the chance to be the centre of considerable attention. Then there is what is known about the highly trivial reasons women and girls have for making false allegations; and bear in mind the compensation available for a 'criminal injury', and the low level of substantiation required to obtain this. ….. then isn't what we have here a perfect storm to create a self-perpetuating seemingly convincing fiction?

So what about the ages of the girls/women? Well, the first point is that whatever was the case, we are not talking paedophilia here, since that the average age of onset of menarche is about age eleven. A paedophile is someone with a sexual preference for individuals under the age of puberty. The very youngest of Saville's alleged victims was two years older than this. The category of a sexual preference for adolescent females is 'hebophilia', but note that there is nothing abnormal at all about a male of any age finding adolescent girls sexually attractive; nor even to have an actual preference for girls of adolescent age. Of course, almost all men are hardly in a position to act on such a preference. Men find most attractive of all females at or near their peak fertility, which is just a few years after puberty. This is or was somewhere around the 17-25 mark, but with the progressive fall in the age of puberty then this should be revised down somewhat. Note that catwalk models are recruited to start work at at thirteen or fourteen, and even twelve. The age-of-consent law of age sixteen is a relatively recent development, and reflects a Victorian manufactured scare of the supposed 'white slave trade', and when the average age of the onset of menarche was more like seventeen. Assuming a desire to stay within the law, and the great difficulty of accurately assessing age to within a couple of years, then most men in Saville's position would find themselves having great difficulty in avoiding a significant error rate in choosing which girls to respond to sexually. Therefore, it is not clear that there was any great peculiarity in Saville's sexual interests of 'he likes 'em young' more than his unusual position in society whereby he could act on them

The upshot is that the various allegations against Jimmy Saville could be largely accurate, or only party reflecting the truth, or largely or even wholly a complete invention. There is no way forward to tell which of those overall conclusions would be the accurate one.
http://stevemoxon.blogspot.co.uk/

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 06:04 PM
I'm wondering if McAlpine has gone all 'I'll sue!' over this Twitter stuff because he fears something else coming out about him and is trying to make sure people are afraid of making any allegations... Knowing how litigious he is I will, of course, make no mention of Asil Nadir and illegal arms dealing ;)

Whatever, many of the sheep who had started to find a voice have certainly been gagged by this preposterous non-legal action fiasco, not realising the McAlpine has got a weak case at best. And the chances of Twitter and an ISP co-operating to give his parasite lawyer the info needed to launch a prosecution are slim, even if someone had done a lot worse than just retweet an allegation which had its source with a trusted news source.

We need to keep getting the message out there. Speak up and don't fear TPTB. If they keep trying to take away our freedoms, they know it'll end in tears (for them). One way or another, their days are numbered. The establishment as it once was is a decaying edifice which is slowly crumbling - and even the most blinkered people can see that now. One day the paedophiles will be banged up in a cell or floating face down in the Thames.

white horse
23-11-2012, 06:08 PM
'I know that many people who are aware of the Brotherhood and its Agenda, feel the only way to respond is by stockpiling weapons and preparing for an armed defence of their liberties......The idea of meeting violence with violence is so obviously contradictory and so utterly devoid of the faintest spark of intelligence, that one wonders how few brain cells must be activated to conjure such a thought'. David Icke

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yes

Meet violence with wisdom

Yes, watch Brian Gerish's Westminster Youtube vid - towards the end he nails it - "If we descend to violence we lose."

This is a spiritual battle.

Be strong as individuals, have love and peace in your hearts, live in harmony with the cosmos, listen to your inner voices.

And in that way you cannot lose!

You said it earlier Anders - we need to ignore FcAlpine, he is a stooge, a stalking horse. We've lost ground while the perps have run off.

claydog
23-11-2012, 06:10 PM
Savile was a black prince and probably the bastard of Edward VIII the nonce who abdicated..Savile called his mum "the duchess" and he also did not even hide the fact he had royal blood but it was just put down to his eccentricity, I firmly believe he also was the Yorkshire ripper and was given total access to Broadmoor to torture Sutcliffe, The royal bloodline are total psychopaths so anything is possible and Freemasons in the police mop it all up for them.

My Twitter started with Savile exposures it's the reason why I created my account, the Savile story will burn the monarchy and Vatican city to the ground and the royal mouthpiece of SKYBBC simply fit up mentally ill men in "white vans" for taking kids that are taken for ritual, pleasure and then blackmail.. To stop any future whistle-blowers. This is the current status quo with all the increasing intensity of exposures, the matrix is failing so we have to keep pushing until it finally keels over like the tired old dinosaur that it is.


my twitter account https://twitter.com/TheEschaton2012


First post of many, and a hello to all truth seekers and we are increasing in number with every new day, this marks their entire undoing.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:10 PM
I have read quite a few replies to this post and I agree also.

The particular point for me is in bold - and this led me to the conclusion that he must have been an agent of the secret services, with very high clearance (hence his envolvement/trusted position with the royals), this is one of the only plausable explainations for me; how else to explain everything?

Hidden in plain sight - that's the best 'cover' of all - IMHO Jimmy was a 'top' agent and spy, the paedo ring stuff was just his area of expertise - being a 'specialist' in this area!

Let's not let this side of it distract us though - I belive Jimmy was more than a paedo and child procurer and that is maybe why there is a lot of resistance concerning the truth about him coming out.

Also not to forget these are the powerful satanists here that have ruled over this place for many years and have set up a complex system to operate within and most importantly 'to protect them from us finding out about their activities!'

IMO VILE was Sutcliffe's handler.

In turn VILE would have had a handler, from the earliest of days, who probably died off - handler MK II comes along, part of this Dark Forces Der Queen spoke of after Diana's assasination (+ Dodi, + halfcaste foetus - hence the .001 mph ambulance rush to various hospitals, the embalming, the non autopsy and inquest, and all the rest should you care to check - it adds up to the same MO as JFK tbh) - where was I? :D

Yup. Even Crowley had a handler...

margery_bruce
23-11-2012, 06:11 PM
View Record Peggy Markwick Mcalpine Apr-May-Jun 1945 Brighton Sussex


Name: Thomas McAlpine
Spouse Surname: Markwick
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1945
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 726
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

illuminumnuts
23-11-2012, 06:14 PM
SAM FLANAGAN said... If you check the comments made by convicted abuser and MI5 "agent" William McGrath to author Chris Moore, it tells you everything you need to know. He spoke of "wheels within wheels." I think this was in 1991. The book can no be read online. What McGrath meant was each paedo ring was a "wheel" al co-ordinated within a bigger "wheel." The individual "wheels" covered the whole of the UK. He like Saville was using the concept of "hiding in plain sight." He openly told the UK public what was going on but very few grasped the meaning. The saying "Wheels within wheels" is adopted from a Bible text. It conveys the meaning of an elaborate control of seemingly isolated events, incidents or smaller plans. Kincora is just one wheel, the Jersy scandal is another, the Welsh care homes abuse is another, I am sure other people can add other wheels which operate within the bigger wheel. I suspect there are still wheels which have yet to be discovered, I hope I am wrong about this, I must add.

Just part of one section on a certain level of the pyramid. Spokes within a wheel is a better analogy isn't it?



Thought for the day....... What is wrong with these scumbags? Are their minds so fucked up with a sense of sexual inadequacy that they are more carnally aroused by the screams of children being raped than having a lithe, mature woman on heat assuming the dominant topside ‘cowgirl’ position and bonking them senseless? Regardless, fuck the corrupt Freemasonic Brotherhood - and their breast-bearing oaths and secret handshakes.

I really think that single sex schools have a lot to answer for, as someone else previously said on this thread.



So, £5 to the (imo now deeply suspicious) Children in Need, plus a £750 'admin' fee? And the story now goes that it all goes to a deserving 'charity' (not that less than 0.01% of the total does)? All the while the spotlight has been taken totally off Savile's links to the royal 'family', MI5 and 6, the Masons, former prime ministers, cabinet members and senior government officials, the civil service, the entire corporate structure of the BBC, international arms deals, etc etc etc? Even without possible kickbacks from the lawyers, that must be worth a fairly fucking pretty penny to Mcalpine!!!!! #quidsin And all the while (let us not forget, please may we never forget - that this is the main concern, and why we are here) children are being bought, sold, raped, prostituted and destroyed by some of these people, as I type this now, and as you read it. I may need to log off for a bit I am so fucking furious. I am not, and never have been, a violent person, but I do not know how to deal with this anger and sadness I have at the moment, it is almost unbearable...

Well, it's been said on Sky News that it's all going to children's charities. We best monitor that story to ensure it does then. Anywhere but in his pocket will do.



there may well be powerful people in the establishment or media (or both) who are sick of these twisted apron wearing chinless wonders running this country and actually want the general public to discover this site in particular, i know of at least 6 people who have shown an interest in all of this now, 6 people who never had before, on the day of Children in Need an old lady i've never even met before turned to me in the queue at the supermarket and pointed at Pudsey bear and said, disgusting disgusting theyre not getting any of my money, i couldnt believe it she said to me exactly what i had been thinking, this has spread far and wide you'd better beileve it this could be the start of something huge

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.



I don't think he'll sue, as the last thing they want is the whole issue getting more publicity. Think about it. It would probably be very good for us if the dullard did start taking people to court. ;)

Obvious wasn't it? The powers that be want the story dead and buried, not chugging away for God knows how long. :) I still hope the wally does start suing.

yass
23-11-2012, 06:15 PM
Uproar Over French Anti-Smoking / Oral Sex Campaign

Oh, France. Beaucoup de ways to illustrate "To smoke is to be a slave to tobacco," and you choose this one?

Today's NYT reports on the many groups who are unhappy, particularly feminists and advocates for sex abuse victims. (One of the three posters features a girl.) However, the article doesn't give voice to any objections that campaign is trying to scare teens away from smoking with the assumption that the worst thing in the world is to be gay. Which is exactly what the Onion did last year as a joke, including this position. (Clip below has perfect satire of insipid morning chat, and slurs.)

At least Bertrand Dautzenberg, president of the French Office for the Prevention of Smoking, retains some common sense. He says the ads "will shock adults while not scaring kids.”

http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/bandofthebes/media/

http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc27e53ef01310f35bc13970c-800wi

http://bandofthebes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341cc27e53ef01310f35bc13970c-800wi

That's disgusting imagery. Kiddy fiddling imagery.


November 19, 2012

Over 100,000 demonstrators joined protests organized by Catholic groups to oppose the introduction of homosexual “marriage” in France over the weekend. Backed by the Catholic Church and attended by Catholic clergy and bishops, the protests rallied against French President Francois Hollande’s decision to back plans to legalize homosexual “marriage” and adoption next year.

http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/10088.19.0.0/religion/roman-catholicism/catholic-church-leads-mass-protests-in-france-against-homosexual-marriage

borsabil
23-11-2012, 06:18 PM
It has probably been said before, that Sa-Vile was knighted in 1990 well after investigations (curtailed) were first carried out, and we know that Elish Angiolini was made a Dame after it become clear that she was instrumental in the cover up of the Hollie Grieg case. I do believe that the the boils, sorry i meant royals have to be involved, lets face it, with all the peados in the moronic lodgers, sorry i meant masons, and prince phillip is one of the top morons, sorry i meant masons. I just do not believe they don't know and are complicit.

The Dunblane massacre (I grew up a few miles down the road). Hamilton a paedophile and free mason, protected by his brothers, his monstrous activities and eventual slide into psychotic mass murder, in what remains the greatest act of criminal bastradry in British history, enabled and abetted by fellow child rapists and masons at the top of the Scottish establishment
http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_dunblane.htm

Haut de la Garenne Children's home in Jersey. Where, according to a POLICE investigation hundreds of children were raped and tortured over decades and an unknown number were murdered. The investigating officer in charge having false and spurious accusations leveled against him and promptly removed. With hundreds of sawed up bones and teeth being found on site suddenly vanishing. With foreign investigative reporters being denied visas for asking awkward questions. Ooooh look, yet another bunch of lads in sashes flashing their ankles and bearing their breasts covering up for child abusers, what a coincidence.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpKHnh3Rl4k

Here's Jimmy paying a visit back in the day

http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/pm-ted-heath-and-young-boys.html

Bryn Estyn, where almost every single pervert involved in raping children turned out to be.....drum roll please......a freemason.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqGe4B9fUU

Not me saying that remember, but a former deputy commissioner of police, but we're all mad conspiracy nuts I know.

And then there's poor Hollie Greig, someone suffering from Downs Syndrome, which not only makes a person overly trusting but all but incapable of maintaing a falsehood. Used and passed around by paedophiles, many if not all fully paid up masons, engaging in bizarre satanic rituals. And again covered up by a Masonic club masquerading as a criminal justice system.
http://holliegreig.info/

None of this is really disputed by the establishment, hell many of these 'allegations' have been made by senior police officers and government officials. But we still live in a culture of denial. Savile is the Kevin Bacon of paedophiles, every pervert in the country seems only a few steps removed from him, social climbing, necrophillic, child raping psychopath that he was. It's why he's so important in this story and it's why I've found this thread so invaluable in putting the pieces together. Oh and it should go without saying that Jimmy was a freemason in good standing.

concernedmom
23-11-2012, 06:18 PM
IMO VILE was Sutcliffe's handler.

In turn VILE would have had a handler, from the earliest of days, who probably died off - handler MK II comes along, part of this Dark Forces Der Queen spoke of after Diana's assasination (+ Dodi, + halfcaste foetus - hence the .001 mph ambulance rush to various hospitals, the embalming, the non autopsy and inquest, and all the rest should you care to check - it adds up to the same MO as JFK tbh) - where was I? :D

Yup. Even Crowley had a handler...

Sutcliffe was Saviles patsy. I will even put money on it that it was Savile that caused the injury to Sutcliffes eye whilst he was in prison as a way of a threat or punishment.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:20 PM
the eyes dont lie

Yes indeed, nor our intuition! ;)

mr dude
23-11-2012, 06:21 PM
OK, I posted this earlier today, but no-one seems to have picked up on the gravity of it... This provides a link within the network of power beyond the UK... Arnie was Not only Governor of California, but was until recently married to a Kennedy...


Savile has tangible (and compromising) links to Schwarzeneger!!

http://thesumpplug.blogspot.co.uk/20...-beefcake.html

and it all checks out...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/5...rly-years.html

check this passage from the above article:

'Arnold, I was just showing John the room you used to sleep in,' Dianne tells him.

'Ah, Ports-mouth,' says Schwarzenegger in his unmistakable honking voice. 'I remember that room very well.' This is followed by a richly suggestive laugh – 'Heh, heh, heh.' (In early life – as in later – Arnold was always a doggedly attentive skirt-chaser.)

'I bet you do,' says Dianne, also laughing, 'but we won't go into that now.

From this thread on Jimmy Savile;

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400532.0

there is this:

Jimmy Savile was the president of NABBA in the 60's / early 70's. He was also the coverman on some gay magazine around the same time so i guess thats when big Oscar decided to distance himself from him. Apparently he got friendly with a lot of bodybuilders in a gay for pay or gay for contest results way during this time including Arnold.

A while back on british TV, Arnold was being interviewed for his End of Days film and the interviewer (Johnny Vaughn http://fishcakes.biz/archive/ysp_f4_johnny_vaughan/index6.htm) asked him if his relationship with Jimmy Saville was true. Arnold became visibly angry and claim to not know who Jimmy was even tho Jimmy had been nabba president and had handed Arnold his trophies each time he won the Universe.

Then follow this thread, which is an expose on how much of bodybuilding is based on gay erotica and prostitution...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=206869.50

and this revelation comes out...


When Arnold moved to England in the 1960's he lived with wealthy gay businessman John Dixey. He also was heavily involved with Jimmy Saville and Wag Bennet who used to enjoy watching Arnold shag his wife Dianne, sometimes with Rick Wayne joining in. In the USA his main sugardaddy was Paco Arce Gomez (not the Weiders). In the early 1970's his boyfriend and supporter was one of the Shriver family and it was he who invited Arnold to the party where he met Maria.

Further dirt showing the depth of corruption and procurement within bodybuilding here:

http://www.defamer.com.au/2011/05/an...e/#more-405001

And a bit more inside info:

Here is Jimmy on the front cover of Health and Strength as President of NABBA and again on the front cover of Gay News. It was this cover which resulted in old Oscar Heidenstam removing him as President. That is a laugh though as Oscar was as gay as the day is long at the north pole in mid summer. He and that other old flake Oscar State were at it like rabbits with not just competitors but each other as well.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206869.0;attach=24 1743;image

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206869.0;attach=24 1744;image

Hot Damn, I was already awake!!

claydog
23-11-2012, 06:25 PM
OK, I posted this earlier today, but no-one seems to have picked up on the gravity of it... This provides a link within the network of power beyond the UK... Arnie was Not only Governor of California, but was until recently married to a Kennedy...


Savile has tangible (and compromising) links to Schwarzeneger!!

http://thesumpplug.blogspot.co.uk/20...-beefcake.html

and it all checks out...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/5...rly-years.html

check this passage from the above article:

'Arnold, I was just showing John the room you used to sleep in,' Dianne tells him.

'Ah, Ports-mouth,' says Schwarzenegger in his unmistakable honking voice. 'I remember that room very well.' This is followed by a richly suggestive laugh – 'Heh, heh, heh.' (In early life – as in later – Arnold was always a doggedly attentive skirt-chaser.)

'I bet you do,' says Dianne, also laughing, 'but we won't go into that now.

From this thread on Jimmy Savile;

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400532.0

there is this:

Jimmy Savile was the president of NABBA in the 60's / early 70's. He was also the coverman on some gay magazine around the same time so i guess thats when big Oscar decided to distance himself from him. Apparently he got friendly with a lot of bodybuilders in a gay for pay or gay for contest results way during this time including Arnold.

A while back on british TV, Arnold was being interviewed for his End of Days film and the interviewer (Johnny Vaughn http://fishcakes.biz/archive/ysp_f4_johnny_vaughan/index6.htm) asked him if his relationship with Jimmy Saville was true. Arnold became visibly angry and claim to not know who Jimmy was even tho Jimmy had been nabba president and had handed Arnold his trophies each time he won the Universe.

Then follow this thread, which is an expose on how much of bodybuilding is based on gay erotica and prostitution...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=206869.50

and this revelation comes out...


When Arnold moved to England in the 1960's he lived with wealthy gay businessman John Dixey. He also was heavily involved with Jimmy Saville and Wag Bennet who used to enjoy watching Arnold shag his wife Dianne, sometimes with Rick Wayne joining in. In the USA his main sugardaddy was Paco Arce Gomez (not the Weiders). In the early 1970's his boyfriend and supporter was one of the Shriver family and it was he who invited Arnold to the party where he met Maria.

Further dirt showing the depth of corruption and procurement within bodybuilding here:

http://www.defamer.com.au/2011/05/an...e/#more-405001

And a bit more inside info:

Here is Jimmy on the front cover of Health and Strength as President of NABBA and again on the front cover of Gay News. It was this cover which resulted in old Oscar Heidenstam removing him as President. That is a laugh though as Oscar was as gay as the day is long at the north pole in mid summer. He and that other old flake Oscar State were at it like rabbits with not just competitors but each other as well.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206869.0;attach=24 1743;image

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206869.0;attach=24 1744;image

Hot Damn, I was already awake!!





Great stuff!

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 06:26 PM
I have read quite a few replies to this post and I agree also.

The particular point for me is in bold - and this led me to the conclusion that he must have been an agent of the secret services, with very high clearance (hence his envolvement/trusted position with the royals), this is one of the only plausable explainations for me; how else to explain everything?

Hidden in plain sight - that's the best 'cover' of all - IMHO Jimmy was a 'top' agent and spy, the paedo ring stuff was just his area of expertise - being a 'specialist' in this area!

Let's not let this side of it distract us though - I belive Jimmy was more than a paedo and child procurer and that is maybe why there is a lot of resistance concerning the truth about him coming out.

Also not to forget these are the powerful satanists here that have ruled over this place for many years and have set up a complex system to operate within and most importantly 'to protect them from us finding out about their activities!'

+1 Totally agree with this and I do think he was recruited as a bevan boy ( sorry but I believe this was another recruiting ground for MC/NWO) and because of his personality was a bloody natural, plus his family connection with FM's, expect that is why he was initially selected! But that is only my opinion! I am also glad he was, because he has opened up the biggest can of worms in this country! Due to his arrogance and his love of publicity he definitely left us a trail !!;)

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:27 PM
Thanks.

This is all about Murdoch. It is, as ever, a win win game for him.

Levenson
BBC
internet regulation
Establishment gossip
sex crimes
Celebrities

Murdochs favourite obsessions.

Been thinking :D

We are in a factional war

I will have my schadenfreude enjoyment

These Titanics, double hulls breached

It will happen

Mucho bloodletting

Mucho "stepping asides"

But when the dust settles somewhat

We will still have Draconian internet and free speech muzzling

Enjoy it whilst you can, folks...:(

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:32 PM
Yes, watch Brian Gerish's Westminster Youtube vid - towards the end he nails it - "If we descend to violence we lose."

This is a spiritual battle.

Be strong as individuals, have love and peace in your hearts, live in harmony with the cosmos, listen to your inner voices.

And in that way you cannot lose!

You said it earlier Anders - we need to ignore FcAlpine, he is a stooge, a stalking horse. We've lost ground while the perps have run off.

Yes

I'm afraid that coincidence or not

I have been taken out of the battle

Not here how I'd like to be...

Frustrating but getting a secong wind sooner or layer :D

Apologies to those who have PM'd me - I will respond asap...

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 06:32 PM
Regarding the possibility of Savile having been complicit in the Yorkshire Ripper murders, I had a look at the case again. Interesting to note that 4 of the first 5 murders took place in Leeds. As did the final 2.

Off the wall bit of speculation here...but imagine Sutcliffe had a partner early on. Possibly actually going out with him, or offering advice, or acting as a lookout... Some kind of assistance. Note that 1977 was Sutcliffe's most prolific year, when he killed four times.

Perhaps he decided to venture out on his own for a while, then having had close calls where he felt he'd made mistakes which could lead to his arrest (such as paying a prostitute with a brand new £5 from the firm where he worked, which was later traced), he sought the assistance of his old mentor again for the final two killings...before being caught pretty much through dumb luck.

For no particular reason other than someone mentioned Savile stealing raisins and currants in the war, and Sutcliffe's dad also being collared for the same thing, I have this peculiar feeling Sutcliffe Snr and Savile may have known each other. They were of a similar age (Sutcliffe born '22, Savile '26).

Since all this with Savile kicked off a few weeks ago I've had sneaking feeling his huge Stoke Mandeville charity mission, which started in 1980, maybe have been his way of attempting to atone for some serious misdeed (even more so than touching up young girls and boys).

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 06:33 PM
Been thinking :D

We are in a factional war

I will have my schadenfreude enjoyment

This Titanics, doubke hulls breached

It will happen

Mucho bloodletting

Mucho "stepping asides"

But when the dust settles somewhat

We will still have Draconian internet and free speech muzzling

Enjoy it whilst you can, folks...:(

Awe thanks Anders..cheered me up no end :D But being serious, totally agree with you! This has been set up to destabilise the free speech we have found on the wide web..these guys are realising they can't control the mass as much as they did! So I am off to buy some Carrier Pigeons:D

yass
23-11-2012, 06:35 PM
This is the 15 year old dancer that committed suicide because she was being 'used' and couldn't take it anymore. Her name is McAlpine. I can't remember her first name.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/166/29658978.jpg
Picture taken days before she died (She's on the opposite side of Jimmy Savile)

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:36 PM
Just part of one section on a certain level of the pyramid. Spokes within a wheel is a better analogy isn't it?





I really think that single sex schools have a lot to answer for, as someone else previously said on this thread.





Well, it's been said on Sky News that it's all going to children's charities. We best monitor that story to ensure it does then. Anywhere but in his pocket will do.





It wouldn't surprise me in the least.





Obvious wasn't it? The powers that be want the story dead and buried, not chugging away for God knows how long. :) I still hope the wally does start suing.


I really think that single sex schools have a lot to answer for, as someone else previously said on this thread.


It's done purposely as a control/blackmail mechanism..

borsabil
23-11-2012, 06:36 PM
The problem is

Those in power ALWAYS give away anything only as a last resort

And ONLY to a "safe pair of hands"

Honest cops exist but their careers do not reach the peaks

Look at Stalker

Who btw has NEVER been knighted...

We are all tbh doing trial by internet

We are doing our own "discovery"

Hence the haste to muzzle us all

Lev will be the next step

Then a process of attrition

Machiavellian setups

We are in one huge one now

You can't 'censor' the Internet. Hell the Chinese spend billions and devote countless millions in man hours and it's mostly an abject failure. Just too many work arounds, and besides really censoring the thing would mean essentially shutting it down, really bad for an economy mired in endless recession. No they'll instead use the music industry model, pick out a few examples and come down on them like a tonne of bricks, which is what we're seeing with McAlpine now. Don't be foolish when you're posting online, do not give out your correct details when setting up social media accounts, never give out your contact details to third parties, there are plenty of ways to hide your IP address if they decide to clamp down on ISPs. The Internet worries the crap out of them, but they're stuck in a prisoners dilemma of it being far too valuable a resource and the main mode of communication for the masses (mostly harmless to their interests) and at the same time being a maelstrom of alternative communication away from the MSM. Do not let them head fake you, they're full of piss and wind, we are NOT dealing with omnipresent demigods but barely competent chancers and narcissistic psychopaths. We are better than them, never forget that.

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 06:37 PM
Also perhaps worth noting that the first known Ripper killing away from Leeds was that of Patricia Atkinson, murdered in Bradford - with the previous one having taken place in Roundhay Park, right on Savile's doorstep. Maybe he felt they needed to do one outside of Leeds the next time...

Or maybe I'm turning into one of these conspiracy theory nutters :p

noncooperation
23-11-2012, 06:38 PM
The more I read into VILE's life and the large quantity of other stuff related to this subject, the more I come to the conclusion that the paedophile stuff can be very distracting; distracting a lot of us away from the satanic element which has hijacked our planet. Satanism is the thing they are keeping secret and protecting.

I just read chapters 15 & 16 again of Ickes book, 'The Biggest Secret'; the key issue here is Satanism not paedophilia! Yes, murdering & torturing kids IS terrible, but the reason they do it is satanism.

IMO, Satanism is our enemy, the thing we need to eradicate, the thing we need to bring out in the open and expose.

rodin
23-11-2012, 06:40 PM
Thanks.

This is all about Murdoch. It is, as ever, a win win game for him.

Levenson
BBC
internet regulation
Establishment gossip
sex crimes
Celebrities

Murdochs favourite obsessions.

Eventually Murdoch will be buried with the same honours as Robert 'Maxwell' who also had a 'Scottish' name

ceasar909
23-11-2012, 06:40 PM
To be fair

I think he often looks like that

Just trawl through the unposed photos


fair point though the could still be more there,am not sure so will leave it at that.

revlovejoy
23-11-2012, 06:40 PM
Been thinking :D

We are in a factional war

I will have my schadenfreude enjoyment

This Titanics, doubke hulls breached

It will happen

Mucho bloodletting

Mucho "stepping asides"

But when the dust settles somewhat

We will still have Draconian internet and free speech muzzling

Enjoy it whilst you can, folks...:(

I agree, its factional and its dirty. Savile was a warning shot by murdoch, the ensuing chaff was to protect prominent members of the establishment.

Murdoch is not the british establishment, he has power, influence and massive intelligence gathering service.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:40 PM
The Dunblane massacre (I grew up a few miles down the road). Hamilton a paedophile and free mason, protected by his brothers, his monstrous activities and eventual slide into psychotic mass murder, in what remains the greatest act of criminal bastradry in British history, enabled and abetted by fellow child rapists and masons at the top of the Scottish establishment
http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_dunblane.htm

Haut de la Garenne Children's home in Jersey. Where, according to a POLICE investigation hundreds of children were raped and tortured over decades and an unknown number were murdered. The investigating officer in charge having false and spurious accusations leveled against him and promptly removed. With hundreds of sawed up bones and teeth being found on site suddenly vanishing. With foreign investigative reporters being denied visas for asking awkward questions. Ooooh look, yet another bunch of lads in sashes flashing their ankles and bearing their breasts covering up for child abusers, what a coincidence.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpKHnh3Rl4k

Here's Jimmy paying a visit back in the day

http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/pm-ted-heath-and-young-boys.html

Bryn Estyn, where almost every single pervert involved in raping children turned out to be.....drum roll please......a freemason.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqGe4B9fUU

Not me saying that remember, but a former deputy commissioner of police, but we're all mad conspiracy nuts I know.

And then there's poor Hollie Greig, someone suffering from Downs Syndrome, which not only makes a person overly trusting but all but incapable of maintaing a falsehood. Used and passed around by paedophiles, many if not all fully paid up masons, engaging in bizarre satanic rituals. And again covered up by a Masonic club masquerading as a criminal justice system.
http://holliegreig.info/

None of this is really disputed by the establishment, hell many of these 'allegations' have been made by senior police officers and government officials. But we still live in a culture of denial. Savile is the Kevin Bacon of paedophiles, every pervert in the country seems only a few steps removed from him, social climbing, necrophillic, child raping psychopath that he was. It's why he's so important in this story and it's why I've found this thread so invaluable in putting the pieces together. Oh and it should go without saying that Jimmy was a freemason in good standing.

Great post for newbies!

LUUUUUVVV the Kevin Bacon analogy! :D

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 06:41 PM
Yes

I'm afraid that coincidence or not

I have been taken out of the battle

Not here how I'd like to be...

Frustrating but getting a secong wind sooner ir layer :D

Apologies to those who have PM'd me - I will respond asap...

See you are either still on your phone or developed fat finger syndrome! :p Sending you much love and protection..you put your self in the firing line when you started this thread, I respect you for that BUT I hope that all on here will send you loving thoughts to protect you! Hang in there xx

trafficker
23-11-2012, 06:45 PM
was the queen born on the same year as jimmy savile?

Queen Elizabeth II was born on the 21st April 1926, in Mayfair, London, she was the eldest daughter of her father Albert (Duke of York) and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. She had an interesting childhood which saw the start of the second World War, at which time both Elizabeth and her sister Margaret were evacuated to Windsor Castle, in 1945 Elizabeth became a member of the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service where she trained as a driver.

jimmy savile is Born in oct 31 1926

other notable events in 1926

John Logie Baird gives first demonstration of television

Agatha Christie vanishes

First Two-Way Transatlantic Phone Call

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:47 PM
OK, I posted this earlier today, but no-one seems to have picked up on the gravity of it... This provides a link within the network of power beyond the UK... Arnie was Not only Governor of California, but was until recently married to a Kennedy...


Savile has tangible (and compromising) links to Schwarzeneger!!

http://thesumpplug.blogspot.co.uk/20...-beefcake.html

and it all checks out...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/5...rly-years.html

check this passage from the above article:

'Arnold, I was just showing John the room you used to sleep in,' Dianne tells him.

'Ah, Ports-mouth,' says Schwarzenegger in his unmistakable honking voice. 'I remember that room very well.' This is followed by a richly suggestive laugh – 'Heh, heh, heh.' (In early life – as in later – Arnold was always a doggedly attentive skirt-chaser.)

'I bet you do,' says Dianne, also laughing, 'but we won't go into that now.

From this thread on Jimmy Savile;

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400532.0

there is this:

Jimmy Savile was the president of NABBA in the 60's / early 70's. He was also the coverman on some gay magazine around the same time so i guess thats when big Oscar decided to distance himself from him. Apparently he got friendly with a lot of bodybuilders in a gay for pay or gay for contest results way during this time including Arnold.

A while back on british TV, Arnold was being interviewed for his End of Days film and the interviewer (Johnny Vaughn http://fishcakes.biz/archive/ysp_f4_johnny_vaughan/index6.htm) asked him if his relationship with Jimmy Saville was true. Arnold became visibly angry and claim to not know who Jimmy was even tho Jimmy had been nabba president and had handed Arnold his trophies each time he won the Universe.

Then follow this thread, which is an expose on how much of bodybuilding is based on gay erotica and prostitution...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=206869.50

and this revelation comes out...


When Arnold moved to England in the 1960's he lived with wealthy gay businessman John Dixey. He also was heavily involved with Jimmy Saville and Wag Bennet who used to enjoy watching Arnold shag his wife Dianne, sometimes with Rick Wayne joining in. In the USA his main sugardaddy was Paco Arce Gomez (not the Weiders). In the early 1970's his boyfriend and supporter was one of the Shriver family and it was he who invited Arnold to the party where he met Maria.

Further dirt showing the depth of corruption and procurement within bodybuilding here:

http://www.defamer.com.au/2011/05/an...e/#more-405001

And a bit more inside info:

Here is Jimmy on the front cover of Health and Strength as President of NABBA and again on the front cover of Gay News. It was this cover which resulted in old Oscar Heidenstam removing him as President. That is a laugh though as Oscar was as gay as the day is long at the north pole in mid summer. He and that other old flake Oscar State were at it like rabbits with not just competitors but each other as well.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206869.0;attach=24 1743;image

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206869.0;attach=24 1744;image

Hot Damn, I was already awake!!

Great post! I used to be into weights, bought all the Arnold books. As always, the ego took over, and all was hidden in plain sight, you didn't even need to read between the lines. AS admitted his sex obsession in the books, quite an eye opener. At one time he was being set up as a future USA prez, but it would need a change in the law / didn't stop Masai OBOMBYA tho...

claydog
23-11-2012, 06:48 PM
You can't 'censor' the Internet. Hell the Chinese spend billions and devote countless millions in man hours and it's mostly an abject failure. Just too many work arounds, and besides really censoring the thing would mean essentially shutting it down, really bad for an economy mired in endless recession. No they'll instead use the music industry model, pick out a few examples and come down on them like a tonne of bricks, which is what we're seeing with McAlpine now. Don't be foolish when you're posting online, do not give out your correct details when setting up social media accounts, never give out your contact details to third parties, there are plenty of ways to hide your IP address if they decide to clamp down on ISPs. The Internet worries the crap out of them, but they're stuck in a prisoners dilemma of it being far too valuable a resource and the main mode of communication for the masses (mostly harmless to their interests) and at the same time being a maelstrom of alternative communication away from the MSM. Do not let them head fake you, they're full of piss and wind, we are NOT dealing with omnipresent demigods but barely competent chancers and narcissistic psychopaths. We are better than them, never forget that.



I've got fuck all for them to take, I did 70 days in Pentonville in 2009 for writing about a famous "crime fiction" writer who now has made millions from writing about her experience as a paedo ring facilitator and madame in a high class brothel but her clients wanted kids and not her. She was a trusted family friend and used this to lure kids over to her house in the mid 80's and plenty of men in suits from the city drove to hers for sex parties,I was one of their victims but got prison for speaking about it.

Davenport Lyons law firm had me surrounded in a closed court, six of them, Blair MacDonald and some other reptile called Mathew Dowd, dragged me in front of "justice" David Eady who sent me down. They can only threaten but not silence. I gave up my job, mortgage etc just so they would have NOTHING to take from me but they know from my regular emails that I am coming for all of them. The climate now supports truth and it's increasing with every new day. We push these monsters inc right off the edge of their own abyss.

tameelf
23-11-2012, 06:48 PM
Yes

I'm afraid that coincidence or not

I have been taken out of the battle

Not here how I'd like to be...

Frustrating but getting a secong wind sooner ir layer :D

Apologies to those who have PM'd me - I will respond asap...

its a emotional rollercoaster ride we bought the ticket chin up anders

this will take your mind off the pain Isle of Man TT - full lap onboard cam マン島TT フルラップオンボードカメラ - YouTube

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Eventually Murdoch will be buried with the same honours as Robert 'Maxwell' who also had a 'Scottish' name

Oh we Scots have alot to answer for but agree Murdoch is trying to take on the big boys..and expect it will get even more nasty with the little people (US) paying for it! We need to cut of their supply of power! Which is fear..so guys share the love! Oh ok that sounds weird..WHY we are fed death, doom and destruction everyday WHY..to keep us in fear! THINK if we said fuck too them all and we were happy HOW could they control us! :eek:

simonsp
23-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Thank you... I just wish I had more time,.. I start reading a thread then it has a link.. i go to the link from there I go on a bit of a mad one linking that to other things and before i know it I'm 100 behind on the threads and it's nearly bedtime or nearly time to go to work ahhhh

A big thank you from me too. Your precis of the SaVile story is a brilliant tool to forward to friends etc. as a Heads Up. I know what you mean about lagging behind, several times I have almost got to the front of the thread only to fall hopelessly behind again!

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 06:50 PM
Great post! I used to be into weights, bought all the Arnold books. As always, the ego took over, and all was hidden in plain sight, you didn't even need to read between the lines. AS admitted his sex obsession in the books, quite an eye opener. At one time he was being set up as a future USA prez, but it woul need a change on the law / didn't stop Masai OBOMBYA tho...

:D Barry Soetero managed it

concernedmom
23-11-2012, 06:51 PM
was the queen born on the same year as jimmy savile?

Queen Elizabeth II was born on the 21st April 1926, in Mayfair, London, she was the eldest daughter of her father Albert (Duke of York) and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. She had an interesting childhood which saw the start of the second World War, at which time both Elizabeth and her sister Margaret were evacuated to Windsor Castle, in 1945 Elizabeth became a member of the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service where she trained as a driver.

jimmy savile is Born 1926

I'm still convinced Savile is/was a Bowes Lyon.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:52 PM
Awe thanks Anders..cheered me up no end :D But being serious, totally agree with you! This has been set up to destabilise the free speech we have found on the wide web..these guys are realising they can't control the mass as much as they did! So I am off to buy some Carrier Pigeons:D

Well, we've always got semaphore! :D

Gotta be realistic tho, we need a miracle...

Someone

Something

So out there

Their think tanks haven't thought of it

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 06:54 PM
I've got fuck all for them to take, I did 70 days in Pentonville in 2009 for writing about a famous "crime fiction" writer who now has made millions from writing about her experience as a paedo ring facilitator and madame in a high class brothel but her clients wanted kids and not her. She was a trusted family friend and used this to lure kids over to her house in the mid 80's and plenty of men in suits from the city drove to hers for sex parties,I was one of their victims but got prison for speaking about it.

Davenport Lyons law firm had me surrounded in a closed court, six of them, Blair MacDonald and some other reptile called Mathew Dowd, dragged me in front of "justice" David Eady who sent me down. They can only threaten but not silence. I gave up my job, mortgage etc just so they would have NOTHING to take from me but they know from my regular emails that I am coming for all of them. The climate now supports truth and it's increasing with every new day. We push these monsters inc right off the edge of their own abyss.

Are you talking about L y Nda L a pla nt? I follow you on twitter, love your comments!!xxxx

anders7777
23-11-2012, 06:54 PM
This is the 15 year old dancer that committed suicide because she was being 'used' and couldn't take it anymore. Her name is McAlpine. I can't remember her first name.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/166/29658978.jpg
Picture taken days before she died (She's on the opposite side of Jimmy Savile)

As someone remarked on an earlier posting of her in this image

Notice the dead, beaten, eyes

No joy there...

trafficker
23-11-2012, 06:56 PM
I'm still convinced Savile is/was a Bowes Lyon.

something not right about his early history, i still cant find a picture of savile as a young boy or asolesent......the ego he had he would have shown them

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 06:57 PM
I've got fuck all for them to take, I did 70 days in Pentonville in 2009 for writing about a famous "crime fiction" writer who now has made millions from writing about her experience as a paedo ring facilitator and madame in a high class brothel but her clients wanted kids and not her. She was a trusted family friend and used this to lure kids over to her house in the mid 80's and plenty of men in suits from the city drove to hers for sex parties,I was one of their victims but got prison for speaking about it.

Davenport Lyons law firm had me surrounded in a closed court, six of them, Blair MacDonald and some other reptile called Mathew Dowd, dragged me in front of "justice" David Eady who sent me down. They can only threaten but not silence. I gave up my job, mortgage etc just so they would have NOTHING to take from me but they know from my regular emails that I am coming for all of them. The climate now supports truth and it's increasing with every new day. We push these monsters inc right off the edge of their own abyss.

Fuck my old boots :eek:

You should out the bastards on here.

ceasar909
23-11-2012, 06:57 PM
I've got fuck all for them to take, I did 70 days in Pentonville in 2009 for writing about a famous "crime fiction" writer who now has made millions from writing about her experience as a paedo ring facilitator and madame in a high class brothel but her clients wanted kids and not her. She was a trusted family friend and used this to lure kids over to her house in the mid 80's and plenty of men in suits from the city drove to hers for sex parties,I was one of their victims but got prison for speaking about it.

Davenport Lyons law firm had me surrounded in a closed court, six of them, Blair MacDonald and some other reptile called Mathew Dowd, dragged me in front of "justice" David Eady who sent me down. They can only threaten but not silence. I gave up my job, mortgage etc just so they would have NOTHING to take from me but they know from my regular emails that I am coming for all of them. The climate now supports truth and it's increasing with every new day. We push these monsters inc right off the edge of their own abyss.


all of me wishes you the truth
Bob Marley Small Axe - YouTube

yass
23-11-2012, 06:57 PM
As someone remarked on an earlier posting of her I'm this image

Notice the dead, beaten, eyes

No joy there...
She definitely looks unhappy, grimacing.

noncooperation
23-11-2012, 06:59 PM
This is the 15 year old dancer that committed suicide because she was being 'used' and couldn't take it anymore. Her name is McAlpine. I can't remember her first name.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/166/29658978.jpg
Picture taken days before she died (She's on the opposite side of Jimmy Savile)
It's Claire Mc Alpine
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/05/article-0-000051D100000CB2-928_634x937.jpg

Daily Mail article ;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213621/Claire-McAlpine-A-15-year-old-killed-leaving-diary-naming-DJs-abusers-Disturbing-questions-John-Peel-So-starts-WERE-involved.html

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 06:59 PM
Are you talking about L y Nda L a pla nt? I follow you on twitter, love your comments!!xxxx

:eek:

If this is true, it needs publicising. Let's see the bent masonic judiciary lock hundreds, thousands of us up :mad:

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 07:00 PM
something not right about his early history, i still cant find a picture of savile as a young boy or asolesent......the ego he had he would have shown them

To be fair, he was young quite a while ago. My mum is 52. She's got about 2 pics of her as a child. Wouldn't be surprised if there were actually no pics of Savile as a child. Hope I can be proved wrong tho! ;):)

borsabil
23-11-2012, 07:00 PM
OK, I posted this earlier today, but no-one seems to have picked up on the gravity of it... This provides a link within the network of power beyond the UK... Arnie was Not only Governor of California, but was until recently married to a Kennedy...


Savile has tangible (and compromising) links to Schwarzeneger!!

http://thesumpplug.blogspot.co.uk/20...-beefcake.html

and it all checks out...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/5...rly-years.html

check this passage from the above article

'Arnold, I was just showing John the room you used to sleep in,' Dianne tells him.

'Ah, Ports-mouth,' says Schwarzenegger in his unmistakable honking voice. 'I remember that room very well.' This is followed by a richly suggestive laugh – 'Heh, heh, heh.' (In early life – as in later – Arnold was always a doggedly attentive skirt-chaser.)

'I bet you do,' says Dianne, also laughing, 'but we won't go into that now.

From this thread on Jimmy Savile;

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400532.0

there is this:

Jimmy Savile was the president of NABBA in the 60's / early 70's. He was also the coverman on some gay magazine around the same time so i guess thats when big Oscar decided to distance himself from him. Apparently he got friendly with a lot of bodybuilders in a gay for pay or gay for contest results way during this time including Arnold.

A while back on british TV, Arnold was being interviewed for his End of Days film and the interviewer (Johnny Vaughn http://fishcakes.biz/archive/ysp_f4_johnny_vaughan/index6.htm) asked him if his relationship with Jimmy Saville was true. Arnold became visibly angry and claim to not know who Jimmy was even tho Jimmy had been nabba president and had handed Arnold his trophies each time he won the Universe.

Then follow this thread, which is an expose on how much of bodybuilding is based on gay erotica and prostitution...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=206869.50

and this revelation comes out...


When Arnold moved to England in the 1960's he lived with wealthy gay businessman John Dixey. He also was heavily involved with Jimmy Saville and Wag Bennet who used to enjoy watching Arnold shag his wife Dianne, sometimes with Rick Wayne joining in. In the USA his main sugardaddy was Paco Arce Gomez (not the Weiders). In the early 1970's his boyfriend and supporter was one of the Shriver family and it was he who invited Arnold to the party where he met Maria.

Further dirt showing the depth of corruption and procurement within bodybuilding here:

http://www.defamer.com.au/2011/05/an...e/#more-405001

And a bit more inside info:

Here is Jimmy on the front cover of Health and Strength as President of NABBA and again on the front cover of Gay News. It was this cover which resulted in old Oscar Heidenstam removing him as President. That is a laugh though as Oscar was as gay as the day is long at the north pole in mid summer. He and that other old flake Oscar State were at it like rabbits with not just competitors but each other as well.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206869.0;attach=24 1743;image

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206869.0;attach=24 1744;image

Hot Damn, I was already awake!!

Brilliant post, it's stuff like this that makes me love this thread. Vile was a very odd individual (I know, stating the bloody obvious). We have the MSM focusing on his TOTP days, raping teenage girls. This seems only a small part of his sexual deviancy, he was a pederast, necrophiliac, bisexual and most likely a sadist murderer. He was a VERY scary man, extremely violent and controlling. The media are (mostly) ignoring the weirder stuff, and the public still think of him as the bloke who molested sixteen year old girls on his lunch breaks at the beeb. I'm thinking if it becomes common knowledge what a truly sick sick piece of filth Vile was, people might start asking how he got to be good friends with Prince Charlie and various PMs etc.

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:01 PM
Fuck my old boots :eek:

You should out the bastards on here.

Famous crime author, bit of a darling at SKY, made shows of her books. Blonde hair and comes from Essex, my neighbor between 1976-1982 and trusted family friend. Not named her, she paid 8ogrand to shut me up though..

angeldelight
23-11-2012, 07:01 PM
All men and women are created equal!

They are born with RIGHTS.


PRIVILEDGES are granted by a "higher" (!) self appointed authority, other men and women! = e.g.NOT the Creator!

D.


+ 1 Spot On ;)

noncooperation
23-11-2012, 07:01 PM
BBC DJ's were NOT normal by a long shot!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gJAelU92vDg/UG_nlBX7JqI/AAAAAAAAhgg/PdgrEl-kqU4/s320/john+peel.jpg
John Peel

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 07:03 PM
Well, we've always got semaphore! :D

Gotta be realistic tho, we need a miracle...

Someone

Something

So out there

Their think tanks haven't thought of it

Well one thing they didn't think off was this thread!!:D I bet it is doing their nut in..SO we need to keep going! We all have different strength re research and views. Call me mad but I have a gut feeling we will eventually blow this out the water! But only if we stick with it and stay strong..this is/will get worse! Yep I am scared but something keeps pushing me on! I will keep digging but really we all know the truth..just need to get the Bastards too crack!! Easy :D

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:05 PM
Famous crime author, bit of a darling at SKY, made shows of her books. Blonde hair and comes from Essex, my neighbor between 1976-1982 and trusted family friend. Not named her, she paid 8ogrand to shut me up though..

:eek:

Never liked her. Ignorant bitch, IMHO. Always suspected she didn't actually write her novels as she sounds so thick and stupid when she speaks. Assuming this the person I'm thinking of.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:07 PM
You can't 'censor' the Internet. Hell the Chinese spend billions and devote countless millions in man hours and it's mostly an abject failure. Just too many work arounds, and besides really censoring the thing would mean essentially shutting it down, really bad for an economy mired in endless recession. No they'll instead use the music industry model, pick out a few examples and come down on them like a tonne of bricks, which is what we're seeing with McAlpine now. Don't be foolish when you're posting online, do not give out your correct details when setting up social media accounts, never give out your contact details to third parties, there are plenty of ways to hide your IP address if they decide to clamp down on ISPs. The Internet worries the crap out of them, but they're stuck in a prisoners dilemma of it being far too valuable a resource and the main mode of communication for the masses (mostly harmless to their interests) and at the same time being a maelstrom of alternative communication away from the MSM. Do not let them head fake you, they're full of piss and wind, we are NOT dealing with omnipresent demigods but barely competent chancers and narcissistic psychopaths. We are better than them, never forget that.

Whilst I partly agree with the above

It is my belief that the Internet was GIVEN to us

Just like tee vee was

Double edged sword for them

We get a certain amount of free speech

But only a small percentage use it!!!

The rest are surfing porn and stealing music and whatever, gambling

Tptb know the real power is tee vee

They gave us the net for CONTROL

TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AS PER 1984

So they combat the likes of us on the DIF

A rare breed

With gazillions hooked on soaps

Sport

X factor etc etc

See?

They have it planned to a tee

We are in what I call Internet I

Internet II will be forced upon us

After a war perhaps

Or a plague

Or currency collapses

It will be a problem reaction solution scenario

I've researched this extensively and the net as we know it can be shut down within hours

Do you not think they have contingency plans?

Internet II will be draconian

You will be charged credits to use it

It will be linked to the skin chip

There will be no more personal web sites

Everything will need approval

Etc etc

These are THEIR plans

Whether it succeeds or not, we will see

Going by history, IMHO their chances of pulling it off are near to 100 per cent

Unless the masses wake up

I see no signs of that so far...:(

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 07:07 PM
Well, we've always got semaphore! :D

Gotta be realistic tho, we need a miracle...

Someone

Something

So out there

Their think tanks haven't thought of it

We just need one brave individual who is probably looking on in. We need that person to see what we are trying to achieve....Justice and hope for the defencless.
We just need them to have a conscience and put this world in a better world. If anything....Throw us a bone....We will eat the marrow if need be.
This has to end.....The kids are tired now.

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 07:08 PM
:D Barry Soetero managed it

Love Barry Soetero such an amazing, unusual and unreal character! The Bourne Trilogy has nothing on this guy :D

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:11 PM
Also perhaps worth noting that the first known Ripper killing away from Leeds was that of Patricia Atkinson, murdered in Bradford - with the previous one having taken place in Roundhay Park, right on Savile's doorstep. Maybe he felt they needed to do one outside of Leeds the next time...

Or maybe I'm turning into one of these conspiracy theory nutters :p

Nope, you are quite sane! :D

I think they acted as a team, and VILE did some of the murders, and probably others too...

It all FITZ with the times

Mass spooking of the public

Scaring them

Cementing their belief in the cops and "authority"

The same was going on in the USA, Manson, son of Sam, the hillside strangler, all the serial killers

USA and UK tend to work in tandem

Psyop wise

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:11 PM
Well one thing they didn't think off was this thread!!:D I bet it is doing their nut in..SO we need to keep going! We all have different strength re research and views. Call me mad but I have a gut feeling we will eventually blow this out the water! But only if we stick with it and stay strong..this is/will get worse! Yep I am scared but something keeps pushing me on! I will keep digging but really we all know the truth..just need to get the Bastards too crack!! Easy :D

Would be nice to think that. But I suspect if they're aware of it at all, they sit there and laugh at how little we know. We find the odd little titbit here and there. But I expect even the most cynical and suspicious among us would probably be staggered if we knew even 10% of the shit that goes on that they keep covered up.

This is why we need to get 'real people' into positions of power. People who aren't Oxbridge nonces, masons, old school tie, old boys' network, part of the establishment in crowd. Problem is, human beings are weak and easily corrupted. Many people start out decent and quickly fall prey to the many temptations put their way.

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:13 PM
:eek:

Never liked her. Ignorant bitch, IMHO. Always suspected she didn't actually write her novels as she sounds so thick and stupid when she speaks. Assuming this the person I'm thinking of.


She writes about people she know;'s its not imagination it's one long misery memoir and paedo porn for people who recognize themselves, she was awarded her book deal for services rendered. I wrote about it as I was actually there and I got 70 days. LOL.

But now super injunctions are as valid as Jim'll fix it badges.

So proof the universe bends in the direction of TRUTH, I am patient as I know Justice is an energy and it's pouring in to the crown chakra that is Stonehenge right now. We will manifest based on this energy as we all resonate in vibrations and it's raising to the truth vibrations, all the nonces, ponces and parasites are starting to feel the spotlight. I am here with all of YOU to witness this and much much more once we out the entire paedo blackmailed establishment and move past it all and thrive.

Justice is not revenge, it's far sweeter than that..

mr dude
23-11-2012, 07:15 PM
Famous crime author, bit of a darling at SKY, made shows of her books. Blonde hair and comes from Essex, my neighbor between 1976-1982 and trusted family friend. Not named her, she paid 8ogrand to shut me up though..

MC... credits include The Runaway??

grannie27
23-11-2012, 07:15 PM
We just need one brave individual who is probably looking on in. We need that person to see what we are trying to achieve....Justice and hope for the defencless.
We just need them to have a conscience and put this world in a better world. If anything....Throw us a bone....We will eat the marrow if need be.
This has to end.....The kids are tired now.

The Revolution has come-
set it on fire from the top
Let it burn swiftly
Neither the branches,trunk,or roots will be endangered,only last years leaves and the parisite moss and orchids will not be there.
When the next springs brings fresh growth and free standing flowers.

R Buckminster Fuller.

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 07:16 PM
We just need one brave individual who is probably looking on in. We need that person to see what we are trying to achieve....Justice and hope for the defencless.
We just need them to have a conscience and put this world in a better world. If anything....Throw us a bone....We will eat the marrow if need be.
This has to end.....The kids are tired now.

+1 agree But these guys and gals have sold themselves to the devil! I hold out not much hope..so we need to do a Max Clifford and shame them into it! Lets do as they do concentrate on the weak links! Any suggestions..Rancid, B and PS spring to mind on celebrity front but also EC and DL on political front!

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:18 PM
Nope, you are quit sane! :D

I think they acted as a team, and VILE dis some of the murders, and probably others too...

It all FITZ with tge times

Mass spooking of the public

Scaring them

Cementing their belief in the cops and "authority"

The same was going on in the USA, Manson, son of Sam, the hillside strangler, all the serial killers

USA and UK tend to work in tandem

Psyop wise

The tag team approach would certainly explain the apparent differences in MO between victims and the hugely differing descriptions from witnesses.

The fact that Savile made a bee line for Broadmoor as soon as Ronnie Kray went there says something, I think, given Kray's tastes and reputation. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Savile had a hand in getting Sutcliffe moved from Parkhurst to the relative luxury of Broadmoor.

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:18 PM
Are you talking about L y Nda L a pla nt? I follow you on twitter, love your comments!!xxxx



Not, not Linda.

Thanks for the follow ♥

borsabil
23-11-2012, 07:18 PM
Famous crime author, bit of a darling at SKY, made shows of her books. Blonde hair and comes from Essex, my neighbor between 1976-1982 and trusted family friend. Not named her, she paid 8ogrand to shut me up though..

I know what you're going through, many of us posting on here have been abused in one way or another. The first priority is to protect yourself, anonymity is vital even if it does make some question our credibility. Icke SEEMS Ok, I'm thinking he's one of the good guys, and you're definitely amongst friends on this thread, but ultimately you can only trust those you truly know. I'm not posting from the UK, and that's why at times I may display bravado that I probably wouldn't if I was still living in Britain with it's protect the rich and powerful defamation courts. I'm also fairly well off, it's the people who have a little to lose who are the easiest to clamp down on. The rich can protect themselves and the poor have nothing to lose anyway. Tell your story if you like and I'm sure you're aware of all this anyway, be careful friend.

galaxy001
23-11-2012, 07:21 PM
One of Vile's favourite hangouts - they are all members there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenaeum_Club,_London

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:22 PM
The more I read into VILE's life and the large quantity of other stuff related to this subject, the more I come to the conclusion that the paedophile stuff can be very distracting; distracting a lot of us away from the satanic element which has hijacked our planet. Satanism is the thing they are keeping secret and protecting.

I just read chapters 15 & 16 again of Ickes book, 'The Biggest Secret'; the key issue here is Satanism not paedophilia! Yes, murdering & torturing kids IS terrible, but the reason they do it is satanism.

IMO, Satanism is our enemy, the thing we need to eradicate, the thing we need to bring out in the open and expose.

Agree with you, that's what they are into at tge very very top, worldwide.

Kubrick was murdered after he told to much in Eyes wide Shut - and in fact we never got to see the director's cut / the elite parasites who owned the rights and studio ensured that we saw a very watered down version, lots of strange dialogue gaps, continuity errors etc etc etc.

I've watched it maybe five times, and it still gives me the creeps. And old buddy/warhorse of mine, Jay Weidner, did a terrific essay on it:


Jay Weidner
www.jayweidner.com/Disclosure1.htmlI would say his movie "Eyes Wide Shut" is probably the closest to actually coming out and exposing the ...
EYES WIDE SHUT: Stanley Kubrick Murdered for Exposing Illuminati ...
www.godlikeproductions.com/.../pg1
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► 117:44► 117:44
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16 Dec 2011
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► 55:49► 55:49
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AstroGnostic: Stanley Kubrick and the Reality Stargate
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From Jay Weidner's main article regarding his theory that Stanley ... Stanley Kubrick died soon after showing Eyes Wide Shut to the executives at Warner Brothers.

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:23 PM
The tag team approach would certainly explain the apparent differences in MO between victims and the hugely differing descriptions from witnesses.

The fact that Savile made a bee line for Broadmoor as soon as Ronnie Kray went there says something, I think, given Kray's tastes and reputation. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Savile had a hand in getting Sutcliffe moved from Parkhurst to the relative luxury of Broadmoor.



I also firmly believe that there is genuine reason why Brady can't tell police where bodies are buried..


When kids go missing SKYBBC always blame it on the most obvious "white van man" "blue sierrra man" every one has seen him and this is SKYBBC fitting up people with mental health issues from the crimes of insane bloodlines.


Not saying all, but certainly some real big shockers on the event horizon.


Coppers in the Yorkshire ripper case also got ruined for not toeing the free masonic line, Ordo Templi Orientis snatch kids for ritual and fit up mentally ill men and convict them via TV long before trial, it's all in plain sight..

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 07:26 PM
[QUOTE=anders7777;1061154932]Whilst I partly agree with the above

It is my belief that the Internet was GIVEN to us

Just like tee vee was

Double edged sword for them

We get a certain amount of free speech

But only a small percentage use it!!!

The rest are surfing porn and stealing music and whatever, gambling

Tptb know the real power is tee vee

They gave us the net for CONTROL

TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AS PER 1984

So they combat the likes of us on the DIF

A rare breed

With gazillions hooked on soaps

Sport

X factor etc etc

See?

They have it planned to a tee

We are in what I call Internet I

Internet II will be forced upon us

After a war perhaps

Or a plague

Or currency collapses

It will be a problem reaction solution scenario

I've researched this extensively and the net as we know it can be shut down within hours

Do you not think they have contingency plans?

Internet II will be draconian

You will be charged credits to use it

It will be linked to the skin chip

There will be no more personal web sites

Everything will need approval

Etc etc

These are THEIR plans

Whether it succeeds or not, we will see

Going by history, IMHO their chances of pulling it off are near to 100 per cent

Unless the masses wake up

I see no signs of that do far...:([/QUOTE

FFS you are on a downer tonight...sorry to put this on your shoulders BUT your posts brought me too this thread and many more SO please I totally understand how major this is and how hard it will be to topple them BUT we need to keep fighting OR we just sit back and let them do what they want..trust me I have thought over the past couple of days that might be an option! :(

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:29 PM
I know what you're going through, many of us posting on here have been abused in one way or another. The first priority is to protect yourself, anonymity is vital even if it does make some question our credibility. Icke SEEMS Ok, I'm thinking he's one of the good guys, and you're definitely amongst friends on this thread, but ultimately you can only trust those you truly know. I'm not posting from the UK, and that's why at times I may display bravado that I probably wouldn't if I was still living in Britain with it's protect the rich and powerful defamation courts. I'm also fairly well off, it's the people who have a little to lose who are the easiest to clamp down on. The rich can protect themselves and the poor have nothing to lose anyway. Tell your story if you like and I'm sure you're aware of all this anyway, be careful friend.


When you reach rock bottom there is no lower to get, I reached that some time ago and am on my way back up, I do not fear them and they will never silence me, prison is no joke and I only got 70 days but this is not 2009, I trust what the energy we resonate in says and not TV, and this tells me we are approaching a climate of truth, I don't fear pedophiles who use blackmail to cover their crimes, they are on the way out and I am here to make sure my foot hits the last one on the arse out the door.

The mass awakening is now manifest beyond words, it's bringing down the media and TV and the entire establishment, they want us to fear them as they are actually in utter retreat this is when we help them on their way not hide. This is our collective future we are co-creating and this does not support their kind so lets fuck em off out of it for good.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:29 PM
Agree with you, that's what they are into at tge very very top, worldwide.

Kubrick was murdered after he told to much in Eyes wide Shut - and in fact we never got to see the director's cut / the elite parasites who owned the rights and studio ensured that we saw a very watered down version, lots of strange dialogue gaps, continuity errors etc etc etc.

I've watched it maybe five times, and it still gives me the creeps. And old buddy/warhorse of mine, Jay Weidner, did a terrific essay on it:


Jay Weidner
www.jayweidner.com/Disclosure1.htmlI would say his movie "Eyes Wide Shut" is probably the closest to actually coming out and exposing the ...
EYES WIDE SHUT: Stanley Kubrick Murdered for Exposing Illuminati ...
www.godlikeproductions.com/.../pg1
31 posts - 14 authors - 24 Oct 2011
"Eyes Wide Shut" was the last motion picture made by Kubrick. ... Red Ice Radio explores this theory in a 4-part video interview with documentary filmmaker Jay Weidner.
Stanley Kubrick and The Saturn Death Cult
saturndeathcult.com/.../stanley-kubrick-a...The author and filmmaker Jay Weidner has proposed that legendary film director Stanley ... Eyes Wide Shut: Kubrick's look into the world of the New York sexual underground, the bizarre ...
Eyes Wide Shut (1999) – Esoteric Analysis « Jay's Analysis
jaysanalysis.com/.../eyes-wide-shut-1999- ...25 Jan 2011 – By: Jay Eyes Wide Shut is a film that failed to live to the expectations of many. ... Eyes Wide Shut expose video, even though I'm waiting for Jay Weidner's next film which ...
Robert Phoenix interviews Jay Weidner (FULL LENGTH ...

► 117:44► 117:44
www.youtube.com/watc...
16 Dec 2011
Red Ice Radio - Jay Weidner - Kubrick's Odyssey & The ...

► 55:49► 55:49
www.youtube.com/watc...
12 Mar 2011
More videos for jay weidner eyes wide shut »
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www.youtube.com/watch?v...21 Oct 2011 – Eyes Wide Shut Unveiled, Decoded & Explained ~ by Zeph ..... Stanley Kubrick's Boxes documentaryPlaylist · Jay Weidner - Kubrick's Odyssey and the Brotherhood of ...
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17 posts - 7 authors - 18 Jul 2011
Many moons ago I read this particular piece on 'Eyes Wide Shut,' copied it for a friend, and then ... recently with Jay Weidner on the secrets hidden in Kubrick's films.
AstroGnostic: Stanley Kubrick and the Reality Stargate
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'Eyes Wide Shut' and Masonism [Archive] - The Phora
www.thephora.net › ... › The Ziggurat
53 posts - 16 authors - 3 Jul 2010
From Jay Weidner's main article regarding his theory that Stanley ... Stanley Kubrick died soon after showing Eyes Wide Shut to the executives at Warner Brothers.

Read this

http://jaysanalysis.com/2011/01/25/eyes-wide-shut-1999-esoteric-analysis/


Look at the Crowley posed photo

Oath of secrecy

Is that not the same image VILE COPIED?!?

http://jaysanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/dcodex_41.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BJCD7zQ6BzI/UG3R5ZLtMMI/AAAAAAAAhNU/oL5hiLY9dEw/s320/JIMMY+SAVILE.jpg

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:31 PM
I know what you're going through, many of us posting on here have been abused in one way or another. The first priority is to protect yourself, anonymity is vital even if it does make some question our credibility. Icke SEEMS Ok, I'm thinking he's one of the good guys, and you're definitely amongst friends on this thread, but ultimately you can only trust those you truly know. I'm not posting from the UK, and that's why at times I may display bravado that I probably wouldn't if I was still living in Britain with it's protect the rich and powerful defamation courts. I'm also fairly well off, it's the people who have a little to lose who are the easiest to clamp down on. The rich can protect themselves and the poor have nothing to lose anyway. Tell your story if you like and I'm sure you're aware of all this anyway, be careful friend.

One thing these high level paedos have got is legal protection. But they're flesh and blood and probably haven't thought about the possibility that one day someone might start hunting them down. Not to prosecute them but the put a bullet in their head. Imagine the panic if dead nonces started turning up all over the place.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:34 PM
Agree with you, that's what they are into at tge very very top, worldwide.

Kubrick was murdered after he told to much in Eyes wide Shut - and in fact we never got to see the director's cut / the elite parasites who owned the rights and studio ensured that we saw a very watered down version, lots of strange dialogue gaps, continuity errors etc etc etc.

I've watched it maybe five times, and it still gives me the creeps. And old buddy/warhorse of mine, Jay Weidner, did a terrific essay on it:


Jay Weidner
www.jayweidner.com/Disclosure1.htmlI would say his movie "Eyes Wide Shut" is probably the closest to actually coming out and exposing the ...
EYES WIDE SHUT: Stanley Kubrick Murdered for Exposing Illuminati ...
www.godlikeproductions.com/.../pg1
31 posts - 14 authors - 24 Oct 2011
"Eyes Wide Shut" was the last motion picture made by Kubrick. ... Red Ice Radio explores this theory in a 4-part video interview with documentary filmmaker Jay Weidner.
Stanley Kubrick and The Saturn Death Cult
saturndeathcult.com/.../stanley-kubrick-a...The author and filmmaker Jay Weidner has proposed that legendary film director Stanley ... Eyes Wide Shut: Kubrick's look into the world of the New York sexual underground, the bizarre ...
Eyes Wide Shut (1999) – Esoteric Analysis « Jay's Analysis
jaysanalysis.com/.../eyes-wide-shut-1999- ...25 Jan 2011 – By: Jay Eyes Wide Shut is a film that failed to live to the expectations of many. ... Eyes Wide Shut expose video, even though I'm waiting for Jay Weidner's next film which ...
Robert Phoenix interviews Jay Weidner (FULL LENGTH ...

► 117:44► 117:44
www.youtube.com/watc...
16 Dec 2011
Red Ice Radio - Jay Weidner - Kubrick's Odyssey & The ...

► 55:49► 55:49
www.youtube.com/watc...
12 Mar 2011
More videos for jay weidner eyes wide shut »
Eyes Wide Shut Unveiled, Decoded & Explained ~ by ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v...21 Oct 2011 – Eyes Wide Shut Unveiled, Decoded & Explained ~ by Zeph ..... Stanley Kubrick's Boxes documentaryPlaylist · Jay Weidner - Kubrick's Odyssey and the Brotherhood of ...
The Best Analysis of 'Eyes Wide Shut'
tinfoilpalace.eamped.com/.../the-best- ...
17 posts - 7 authors - 18 Jul 2011
Many moons ago I read this particular piece on 'Eyes Wide Shut,' copied it for a friend, and then ... recently with Jay Weidner on the secrets hidden in Kubrick's films.
AstroGnostic: Stanley Kubrick and the Reality Stargate
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From Jay Weidner's main article regarding his theory that Stanley ... Stanley Kubrick died soon after showing Eyes Wide Shut to the executives at Warner Brothers.


"So... do you... do you suppose we should... talk about money?"
-Dr. William ("Bill") Harford


Critical disappointment with Eyes Wide Shut was almost unanimous, and the complaint was always the same: not sexy. The national reviewers sounded like a bunch of middle-school kids who'd snuck in to see it and slunk out three hours later feeling horny, frustrated, and ripped off. Kubrick was old and out of touch with today's jaded sensibilities, they said. The film's sexual mores and taboos, transplanted straight out of Arthur Schnitzler's fin-de-siecle Vienna--jealousy over dreams and fantasies, guilt-ridden visits to prostitutes, a strained discussion of an HIV test that echoes the old social terror of syphilis--seemed quaint and naive by the standards of the sordid year 1999. One last time Stanley Kubrick had flouted genre expectations, and once again, as throughout his career, critics could only see what wasn't there.
The backlash against the film is now generally blamed on its cynical, miscalculated ad campaign. But why anyone who'd seen Kubrick's previous films believed the hype and actually expected it to be what Entertainment Weekly breathlessly anticipated as "the sexiest movie ever," is still not clear. The most erotic scenes he ever filmed were the bomber refueling in Dr. Strangelove and the spaceliner docking in 2001. He mocks any prurient suspense in the very fist shot of this movie; without prelude, Nicole Kidman, her back to the camera, shrugs off her dress and kicks it aside, standing matter-of-factly bare-assed before us for a moment before the screen goes black like a peepshow door sliding shut. (You can almost hear the director's Bronx-accented voice: "You came to see a big-time movie star get naked? Here ya go. All right, show's over. Can we get serious now?) The main title then appears like a rebuke, telling us that we're not really seeing what we're staring at. In other words, Eyes Wide Shut is not going to be about sex.

The real pornography in this film is in its lingering depiction of the shameless, naked wealth of millennial Manhattan, and of its obscene effect on society and the human soul. National reviewers' myopic focus on sex, and the shallow psychologies of the film's central couple, the Harfords, at the expense of every other element of the film-the trappings of stupendous wealth, its references to fin-de-siecle Europe and other imperial periods, its Christmastime setting, even the sum Dr. Harford spends on a single night out-says more about the blindness of the elites to their own surroundings than it does about Kubrick's inadequacies as a pornographer. For those with their eyes open, there are plenty of money shots.

There is a moment in Eyes Wide Shut, as Bill Harford is lying to his wife over a cellphone from a prostitute's apartment, when we see a textbook in the foreground titled Introducing Sociology. The book's title is a dry caption to the action onscreen (like the slogan PEACE IS OUR PROFESSION looming over the battle at Burpelson Air Force Base in Dr. Strangelove), telling us that prostitution is the basic, defining transaction of our society. It is also, more importantly, a key to understanding the film, suggesting that we ought to interpret it sociologically--not as most reviewers insisted on doing, psychologically.

Michiko Kakutani of the New York Times tells us that Kubrick "never paid much attention to the psychology of characters, much less relationships between men and women," and in fact "spent his career ignoring (or avoiding) the inner lives of people, their private dreams and frustrations." [1] Unable to imagine what other subjects there could be, she, like so many critics before her, shrugs him off as obsessed with mere technique. She is, first of all, wrong; Kubrick examines his characters' inner lives through imagery, not dialogue; as he said, "scenes of people talking about themselves are often very dull." [2] (It could be argued that almost all of this film takes place inside Bill Harford's head.) Secondly, and more importantly, she misses the point: Kubrick's films are never only about individuals (sometimes, as in the case of 2001, they hardly contain any); they are always about Man, about civilization and history. Even The Shining is not just about a family, as Bill Blakemore showed in his article "The Family of Man," but about the massacre of the American Indians and the recurrent murderousness of Western civilization. [3]

Reviewers complained that the Harfords were ciphers, uncomplicated and dull; these reactions recall the befuddlement of critics who complained that the computer in 2001 was more human than the astronauts, but could only attribute it (just four years after the unforgettable performances of Dr. Strangelove) to human error. The Harfords may seem as naive and sheltered as the Victorians in, say, Galsworthy's Forsyte Saga, but to wish that the characters had been more complex or self-aware misses the point. To understand a film by this most thoughtful and painstaking of filmmakers, we should assume that this characterization is deliberate--that their shallowness and repression is the point. Think of Bill in the back of the cab, his face a sullen mask as he tortures himself by running the same black-and-white stag film of Alice's imagined infidelity over and over in his head. (Anyone who doubts that it is the character, rather than the actor, who lacks depth and expressiveness should watch Cruise in Magnolia.) Or of Alice giggling in her sleep, clearly relishing her dream about betraying and humiliating her husband, only to wake up in tears, saying that she had "a horrible dream"; her repression is complete and instantaneous. (She's like Jack Torrance in The Shining waking up shouting from "the most terrible nightmare I ever had," about chopping up his family, about twelve hours before he actually tries to do it.) The itensely staged vacuity of the Harford's inner lives should tell us to look elsewhere for the film's real focus.

One place to look is not at them but around them, at the places where they live and the things they own. Most of the film's sets, even the New York street scenes, were constructed on sound stages and backlots, just like the Overlook Hotel, which was as central to The Shining as its actors. Precision of visual detail is as integral to the meaning of Eyes Wide Shut as is the use of gorgeous faces famous from the covers of glossy check-out-aisle magazines to play a conspicuously attractive high-society couple (not unlike his choice of handsome, bland-faced Ryan O'Neill to play eighteenth-century social climber Redmond Barry.) Even the street sets (criticized by the uniquely provincial New York press as "inaccurate") are expressionistic, with newspaper headlines (LUCKY TO BE ALIVE) and neon signs (EROS) foreshadowing and commenting on the action. In Kubrick's work, nothing is incidental.

Stephen Hunter of the Washington Post mentions that the Harfords' apartment "must have cost $7 million," but only to make fun of Kubrick's apparent disconnection from contemporary America. [4] But the meticulously rendered setting of the film, the luxurious apartments and sumptuous mansions, are meant to raise eyebrows. Kubrick and his collaborator, Frederic Raphael, discussed exactly how much money a New York doctor like Bill Harford must earn per year. [5] The Harfords' standard of living raises questions about their money, and where it comes from--from Bill's sparsely scheduled private practice, or the sorts of under-the-table services we see rendered upstairs at the party? Dr. Harford is on call to that class of person who can afford not to wait in emergency rooms or die in hospitals--people like his friend Victor Ziegler, whose name denotes him as one of the world's winners. Bill uncomfortably tries to compliment the prostitute Domino's apartment by calling it "cozy" (and her use of the standard joke "maid's day off" to excuse the leftovers and mess only draws further awkward attention to the class gulf between them), but his own place looks cramped and cluttered compared to Victor's. Ziegler's house is reminiscent of the Overlook Hotel, with its vast ballrooms and grand staircases, its mirrors and gilt, its bedroom-sized bathrooms. And even Ziegler's place seems modest compared to the opulent Moorish palace of Somerton, where the secret orgy takes place (in Schnitzler's novella it is "a one-story villa in a modest Empire style." [6]) To some extent, the fact that no critics recognized this as deliberate is excusable; we've all learned to overlook the fantastic affluence of the sets and wardrobe in most movies and TV shows, just as black audiences had, for decades, to try to ignore the oppressive whiteness of everyone onscreen. But make no mistake: this is not a film about the "private dreams and frustrations" of what Victor condescendingly calls "ordinary people"; it is about really rich people, the kind that Lord Wendover in Barry Lyndon and Mr. Ullman in The Shining call "all the best people." And it shows us that these people are empty and amoral, using their social inferiors as thoughtlessly as if they were possessions, ultimately more concerned with social transgressions like infidelity than with crimes like murder--just as the film's audience is more interested in the sex it was supposed to be all about than the killing that is at its core.

There's no reason to assume we're expected to like Bill and Alice Harford (in fact, Kubrick once told Michael Herr he wanted to make a film about doctors because "everyone hates doctors." [7]) They don't, like typical Hollywood villains, literally slather or speak with foreign accents. The Harfords are what we think of, uncritically, as "nice" people--that is to say, attractive and well-educated, a couple who collect art and listen to Shostakovitch. But evil among our elites is more often a matter of willful ignorance and passivity--of blindness--than of any deliberate cruelty. And Kubrick emphasizes that culture and erudition have nothing to do with goodness or depth of character; in this film they have more to do with the exhibitionistic display of imperial wealth.

The paintings that cover the Harfords' walls from floor to ceiling (painted by Kubrick's wife Christiane) almost all depict flowers or food, making explicit the function of art in their environment as mere décor-art for consumption. Most of them probably come from Alice's defunct gallery, which brokered paintings like any other commodity. (Helena, the Harfords' daughter, helps her mother gift-wrap a massive collection of paintings by Van Gogh--the icon of an artist who died in obscurity but whose reproductions on calendars, ties, and coffee mugs now make quick millions for the canny marketers in the museum industry.) The Harfords aren't the only art--lovers in the film; the apartment of Bill's patient Lou Nathanson is decorated with even more expensive objets d'art (and his bedroom, like the hall outside the Harford's apartment, is wallpapered with imperial French fluers-de-lis); Victor Ziegler has a famous collection, including antique china arrayed in glass cases, a soaring winged statue of Cupid and Psyche in his stairwell, and, reputedly, a gallery of Renaissance bronzes upstairs; and the house in Somerton is hung with tapestries and oil portraits of stern patriarchs, and decorated in appropriated historical styles from Medieval to Moorish to Venetian to Louis XIV. Like the trashed mansion of the renowned playwright and pedophile Clare Quilty in Lolita, these people's houses are tastefully stacked with the plundered treasures of the world.

The film's elegant, antique appointments, its opening waltz, and its cast full of European characters (Sandor Szavost, the models Gayle and Nuala, the Nathansons, Milich, the maitre d' at the Sonata Café) all blur the distinction between Millennial Manhattan and fin-de-siecle Vienna, another corrupt and decadent high culture on the brink of an abyss. In the champagne haze of Victor's party the 1990s and 1890s become one, just as the '70s and the '20s merged in one evening at the Overlook Hotel. But the comparison is not only to the European capitals of the Gilded Age; a broad sweep of references establishes America's continuity with a number of previous imperial periods. Sandor Szavost, Alice's would-be seducer, inquires whether she has read Ovid's Art of Love, a reference fraught with sly implications. Art of Love is a satiric guide to the etiquette of adultery, set among the elite classes of Augustus's Rome, full of advice about bribing servants, buying gifts, and avoiding gold-diggers. (Szavost's drinking from Alice's glass is a move lifted right out of Ovid's pick-up manual.) And the fact that Ovid was an exile from his own center of empire further links him to the expatriate Hungarian. Szavost's extraordinary skill at the Viennese waltz, and his offer to show her Ziegler's collection of sculptures, extend the instances of imperially--sponsored high art from the Latin poetry of Rome to the ballroom dance of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the plastic arts of the renaissance, bringing them all up to date in New York's glittering, art-encrusted façade.

While Alice resists Szavost's courtly come-ons, her husband is called away to the scene of a less polished assignation, where Kubrick shows us what lies behind that façade: unadorned exploitation and death. Behind the scenes at Ziegler's party, in an upstairs bathroom, Bill Harford finds the same thing Jack Torrance finds in room 237 of the Overlook, and that Private Joker confronts at the end of Full Metal Jacket: a woman's body. Banal dance music echoes from downstairs as we see the call girl Mandy sprawled naked in a narcotic stupor, while Victor hurriedly pulls up his pants, his use of her having been interrupted by an overdose. (Or has it?) After Bill brings her around, Victor impresses upon him that this near-scandal has to be kept "just between us"--but Kubrick, our own contemporary American artist-in-exile, in his own bitter Art of Love, tells all. With every detail and allusion he exposes the base, exploitative impulses behind imperial high culture: the erudite Szavost uses the classics, ballroom dance, and Renaissance sculpture as so many lines and props to seduce another man's wife, while Victor, looking distractedly down at Mandy as she lies naked and twitching, is framed by a painted nude. Asked about Alex's fondness for Ludwig Van in A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick answered, "I think this suggests the failure of culture to have any morally refining effect on society. Many top Nazis were cultured and sophisticated men, but it didn't do them, or anyone else, much good." [8] This point is reprised overtly in Eyes Wide Shut when we hear the title of a Beethoven opera used as the password to an orgy.

As omnipresent as the art in the film's backgrounds are its Christmas decorations. It isn't incidental that the story is set at Christmastime; Schnitzler's book, which the script follows closely in most other particulars, is not (it takes place "just before the end of carnival period"). [9] Stanley Kubrick seems to have gotten seriously into the Yuletide spirit in his last film. Hardly an interior in the film (except the Satanic orgy) is without a baubled Christmas tree. Almost every set is suffused with the dreamlike, hazy glow of colored lights and tinsel. In the film's first scene, the Harfords' daughter Helena wants to stay up to watch The Nutcracker on TV. And its denouement takes place in the toy section of a decidedly upscale department store, where they've taken Helena Christmas shopping. Eyes Wide Shut, though it was released in summer, was the   Christmas movie of 1999.

There is a chain of allusions to the Judeo-Christian fall-and-redemption myth throughout the film: Alice's allegorical dream about being "naked," "terrified," and "ashamed," and fucking "in a beautiful garden," the Harford's Edenic apartment crammed with plants and paintings of gardens, the two temptresses at Ziegler's party, twined and undulating like serpents, practically molting out of their glittering skintight gowns, the picture of an apple with a single vaginal slice cut from it on the wall of the prostitute's kitchen, and the self-sacrificial "redemption" ritual at the orgy. This all seems like unexpectedly old-world symbolism coming from a famously atheistic director whose films all take place in a modern, Godless universe. (The most memorable Christian imagery in Kubrick's previous films are Alex's ceramic chorus line of can-canning Christs and his Hollywood-epic daydream about being a centurion who gets to flog Him in A Clockwork Orange. And in that film it's clear that Christianity is just a less effective version of the sadistic, Skinnerian Ludovico treatment.) But these Biblical references only serve to show us how bankrupt the Christian ethic is in America by the end of the second millennium A.D., how completely it's been coopted and undermined by commerce. As Ziegler angrily tells Bill in their final confrontation, "That whole play-acted 'take me' phony sacrifice had absolutely nothing to do with her real death!" No, her death had more to do with the cult of secrecy and power at the heart of wealth--in other words, just business.

In Eyes Wide Shut, much as in the real world circa 1999, Christmas is less a religious observance than an annual orgy of consumerism, the ecstatic climax of the retail year. MERRY CHRISTMAS banners hang in places of business alongside signs reading NO CHECKS ACCEPTED and THANK YOU FOR YOUR CUSTOM. Rows of Christmas cards are on display in Bill's office below a not particularly merry sign saying, "Payment is expected at the time of treatment unless other arrangements have previously been made." These juxtapositions undercut the supposed significance of the holiday and reveal the real nature of the season, its ostensible warmth and sentimentality belied by the bottom line. Even Milich, the Scroogelike owner of Rainbow Costumes, calls holiday greetings to the two men who have just come to "another arrangement" concerning the use of his daughter. The whole movie is brimming over with the spirit of the season. The equation of Christmas with crass desire is made explicit by the song heard in the Gillespie Diner: "I Want a Boy for Christmas." The Nutcracker is the story of a little girl whose toy comes to life and turns into a handsome prince, which the Harfords' daughter Helena wants to stay up to watch. "Christmas shopping" with Helena turns out to mean letting her run around picking out items she wants exclusively for herself.

The Harfords themselves (like most of the film's reviewers) don't really see their surrounding mise-en-scène--their wealth, their art, the ubiquitous Christmas glitz. They're preoccupied instead with their own petty lusts and jealousies. But again and again Kubrick visually links his characters to their settings, indicting them as part of the rarefied world in which they live and move, through which his relentless Steadicam tracks them like an omniscient presence. At Ziegler's ball, the starburst pattern of lights on the walls is echoed by the lace edging of Alice's gown and by the blue stelliform ribbon on Szavost's lapel. Bill is haunted wherever he goes by the colors blue and gold, the color of the wallpaper outside his apartment. Domino first appears in a black-and-white striped fur coat, a pattern repeated in the zebra skin stool at her dresser and the coat of the plush tiger on her bed. These people are as much commodities as the art and décor-that is, everyone can be bought.

Alice's obvious resentment of her husband, which she only expresses when she's dreaming or drugged, is motivated by her unconscious recognition that she is a kept woman. We know Bill's supporting her, her art gallery having gone broke. She tells Szavost that she's looking for a job, but we don't see her looking; mostly we see her being looked at. Alice's role as a voyeuristic object is defined by her first breathtaking appearance and by her first onscreen line: "How do I look?" (And it rankles her that her husband doesn't see her anymore--he tells her that her hair looks "perfect" without even looking, and asks her the babysitter's name about twenty seconds after she's told him.) Everyone she encounters in the first fifteen minutes of the film compliments her appearance; Bill dutifully tells her she always looks beautiful, the babysitter exclaims, "You look amazing, Mrs. Harford," and she's also flattered by such admirers of beauty as Victor Ziegler and Sandor Szavost. Ziegler tells her she looks "absolutely stunning--and I don't say that to all the women." "Oh, yes he does," retorts his wife--a joke that resonates unfunnily when we find out who "all the women" associated with Ziegler are.

Being beautiful is Alice's job, as much as it is the former beauty queen and call girl Mandy's or the hooker Domino's. During the quotidian-life-of-the-Harfords montage, in which her husband examines patients at the office, we only see Alice tending to her toilette: brushing her daughter's hair, regally hooking on a brassiere, applying deodorant in front of the bathroom mirror. Hers is the daytime regimen of a courtesan (or an actress), devoted to the rigorous maintenance of her looks. She's associated, more than any other character, with mirrors; we see her giving herself a critical once-over before leaving the party, and look of frank self-assessment in the medicine cabinet when she decides to get stoned. Her expression in the mirror as she watches her husband making love to her (the film's iconic image) begins as bemusement, giving way to fondness and arousal, but in the last seconds before the fade-out it becomes something more ambiguous, distracted and self-conscious; this is her moment of clearest self-recognition, an uncomfortable glimpse of what she really is.

Alice's real status is unmistakably suggested: the wife as prostitute. She's identified with the hooker Mandy through a series of parallels: they're both tall redheads with a taste for numbing drugs, we first see them both in bathrooms, and Mandy's last night "being fucked by hundreds of men" is distortedly echoed in Alice's dream. Alice is also associated with the streetwalker Domino by the purple of her sheets and Domino's dress, and by their conspicuous dressing-table mirrors (the essential accoutrement of anyone who lives by her looks). Mandy and Domino are connected, as in dream-associations, by the identical consonants of their names, just as Alice is connected with Domino's roommate Sally (their names being aural anagrams). When Domino disappears, she's replaced by Sally the next day, just as in dream-logic one person may turn into another yet remain the same. In a sense, there is only one woman in the film. Lee Siegel sees the various prostitutes that Bill meets as different incarnations of his wife, the woman he's really seeking all along. [10] But the similarities between them are more revealing (if less romantic) when read the other way--as insinuating that Alice is just another, higher-class whore. When we last see her in the film, in that toy store, she's surrounded by shelves full of stuffed tigers like the one on Domino's bed. (Kubrick also used tiger and leopard-print patterns in Lolita as a code to connote Charlotte Haze's predatory sexuality.) Even in this scene, as she delivers the film's ostensible moral, Alice is visually linked to a doomed hooker.

She's also grooming her daughter Helena (named after the most beautiful woman in history) to become a high-ticket item like herself. During the montage of their day at home, we see Helena alongside her mother in almost every shot, holding the brush while her mother gathers her hair into a ponytail, brushing her teeth at the mirror, learning to groom herself. When we overhear her doing word problems with her mother, she's learning how to calculate which boy has more money than the other. We hear her reading a bedtime story aloud, reciting the line, "...before me when I jump into my bed." In this film, a line about "jumping into bed" can't be innocent. Her mother silently mouths it along with her, echoing and coaching her. At Bill's office, we see a photo of Helena in a purple dress, like the one worn by the girl her father paid for sex the night before.

Like his wife, Bill Harford is defined by his first line: "Honey, have you seen my wallet?" She is a possession; he is a buyer. ("Doctor Bill," as both his wife and Domino call him, is a pun, like Jack D. Ripper or Private Joker.) He flashes his credentials and hands out fifty- and hundred-dollar bills to charm, bribe, or intimidate cabbies, clerks, receptionists, and hookers--all members of the vast, compliant service economy on whom the enormous disparities of wealth in America are founded. Including (unconsummated) prostitution, costume rental, assorted bribes, and cab fare, his tab for a single illicit night out totals over seven hundred dollars. He does not seem fazed by the expenditure. His asking Domino "Should we talk about money?" his repeated insistence on paying her for services not quite rendered, his extended haggling with Milich and the cab driver--all these conversations about cash are too frequent, drawn-out, and conspicuous to be included in the interest of verisimilitude. They do not occur in the novel. Doctor Bill is nothing if not a conspicuous consumer; he even tears a hundred-dollar-bill in half with a smirk.

Bill's nocturnal journey into illicit sexuality is, more importantly, a journey into invisible strata of wealth and power. Money is the subtext of sex from the very first temptation of Bill; the two models who flirtatiously draw him away from his wife at Ziegler's ball invite him enigmatically to follow them "Where the rainbow ends." At that moment he's called away, saying to them, "To be continued...?" After he's gone, the two models exchange a cryptic, conspiratorial look. The exchange foreshadows Bill's finding himself at Rainbow Costume rentals--"to be continued," indeed. We never find out exactly what the models meant, but everyone knows what lies at the end of the rainbow.

The colorful arc of Bill's adventure does lead to the pot of gold, Somerton, the innermost sanctum of the ultrawealthy where the secret orgy is held. The orgy scenes in particular were singled out by reviewers for disappointment and derision. Listen to the groans of critical blueballs: David Denby called it "the most pompous orgy in the history of film." [11] "More ludicrous than provocative," said Michiko Kakutani, "more voyeuristic than scary." [12] "Whose idea of an orgy is this," demanded Stephen Hunter, "the Catholic Church's?" [13] Again they misunderstood Kubrick's artistic intentions, which are clearly not sensual. When Bill passes through the ornate portal past a beckoning golden-masked doorman, we should understand that we are entering the realm of myth and nightmare. This sequence is the clearest condemnation, in allegorical dream imagery, of elite society as corrupt, exploitative, and depraved--what they used to call, in a simpler time, evil. The pre-orgiastic rites are overtly Satanic, a Black Mass complete with a high priest gowned in crimson, droning organ and backward-masked Latin liturgy. What we see enacted is a ceremony in which faceless, interchangeable female bodies are doled out, fucked, and exchanged among black-cloaked figures, culminating in the ritual mass rape and sacrificial murder of a woman.

The haunted ambiance here recalls that of the film's other big exclusive party, Zieglers; the opulent surroundings, the mannered, leaden dialogue, the camera afloat like the disembodied point of view in a dream. A ballroom full of naked, masked couples dancing to "Strangers in the Night" recalls not only Ziegler's party but the Overlook Hotel, whose ghosts also danced and coupled in costume. (Remember the quick, surreal zoom shot in The Shining of someone in a bestial costume fellating tuxedoed millionaire Horace Derwent in an upstairs room?) The two occasions, the party and the orgy, are conclusively linked in the back room of Rainbow Fashions, a sort of antechamber to Somerton, where we see a row of masked and costumed mannequins posed in front of the same cascade of glittering white lights that hung from the walls at Ziegler's.

The orgy makes the metaphor of sexual objectification visually literal. The prostitutes wear masks that render them anonymous and identical. Their nude bodies are unnaturally perfect, smooth and immaculate as mannequins, lit under a chilling white spotlight and photographed with that Kubrickian detachment that somehow desaturates them of any real eroticism. The ritualistic kisses exchanged are spooky and sterile, the sculpted white lips of one mask touching another's. The sex consists of static tableaux of spectators posed around mechanically rutting participants. A masked and tuxedoed valet on all fours serves as a platform for a fucking couple, a piece of human furniture like the tables at the Korova Milk Bar in A Clockwork Orange. One might remember, with a shudder, the Lugosian-toned Szavost inviting Alice to have casual sex upstairs, among the sculptures.

The masks worn by the revelers (Venetian--an allusion to another mercantile empire) serve a similar symbolic purpose: the transformation of the wearer into a soulless object. They certainly aren't expressive of ecstatic self-annihilation, as some critics suggested; they're creepy as hell. We see a bird with a scythe-like beak, a cubist face fractured in half, contorted grimaces and leers, a frozen howl, painted tears, blindly gazing eyes. These revelers have "lost themselves" not in erotic abandon but in the same way that the recruits in Full Metal Jacket lose their Selves, along with their hair and their names. The utterly still, silent shots of staring masks at Bill's "trial" are images of empty-eyed dehumanization, faces of death. Note that when Ziegler first sees Bill enter the ceremonial hall, even though they are both masked, he gives him a knowing nod. He recognizes him. Here the guests at Ziegler's party are unmasked for what they really are.

Masks and mannequins are a recurring motif in Kubrick's work: think of the fight with mannequin's limbs in Killer's Kiss, the anthropomorphic furniture at the Korova, the grotesque masks worn in The Killing and A Clockwork Orange. In Eyes Wide Shut we see them not only at the orgy but throughout the film, always as harbingers of death. A stone Greek mask keeps vigil by Lou Nathanson's deathbed. African masks gaze down, like the masked spectators silently watching the sex acts at Somerton, at the bed where Bill has his interrupted trick with the HIV+ hooker Domino. A "domino" is itself a kind of mask.

They also serve as metaphors for women being treated like possessions. Costumed mannequins surround Bill and Milich in the back room at Rainbow Costumes. "Like life, eh?" says Milich, just before he catches his daughter consorting with two men in wigs and livid makeup. Milich's daughter, for all the coquettish depravity at play in her face, looks somehow as eerily inanimate as the Grady twins in The Shining--her skin is smooth and white as the mannequins in the back room, her painted lips and glittering eyes flawless as a china doll's. In a carefully composed shot in the scene when Bill returns his costume, we see Milich and his daughter paired on the right side of the frame opposite Bill and one of the mannequins (seen through the door to the back room) paired on the left. "If Doctor Harford should ever need anything else," says Milich, hugging his daughter close beside the cash register, "Anything at all... it needn't be a costume." The line only reinforces the visual equation of the girl with the store's more legitimate merchandise. And the three times we see Mandy her face is always a mask: in Ziegler's bedroom, her eyes are lit to look like empty black holes in her face; at the orgy she is literally masked; and on the slab at the morgue her face is slack and white, here eyes wide open but sightless.

Although Bill doesn't actually fuck or kill anyone himself, he is implicated in the exploitation and deaths of all of the women he encounters. (Like the sign over the Sonata Café says... "The customer is always wrong.") He didn't give Domino HIV, but she contracted it servicing someone like him. Milich alternates with hilarious aplomb between berating the men he's caught with his daughter--"Will you please to be quiet! Can't you see I am trying to serve a customer?"--and unctuous apologies to Harford, conflating the two exchanges. (After all, Bill isn't just paying for a costume but for the illicit opportunity it affords.) And does it really make a difference whether Mandy was ceremonially executed by some evil cabal or only allowed to O.D. after being gang-banged again? Given Kubrick's penchant for blackly humorous literalism (think of "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here--this is the War Room!" or "I said, I'm not gonna hurt you--I'm just going to bash your brains in"), when Ziegler explains that Mandy wasn't murdered, "she got her brains fucked out," the contradiction should be obvious.

Bill learns about Mandy's overdose in a café whose walls are covered with antique portraits of women, while Mozart's Requiem plays. The setting and the music make the moment timeless, universal. Kubrick's last three films form a sort of thematic trilogy about our culture's hatred of the female. In The Shining, Jack Torrance despises his wife and child and tries to murder them, just as the previous "caretaker" murdered his wife and daughters. (We also hear, on a TV news bulletin, about a woman who's "disappeared while on a hunting trip with her husband.") In Full Metal Jacket, the institutionalized misogyny of the Marine Corps is pervasive, and the absence of women (we see only two hookers and a sniper) is so conspicuous it becomes a haunting presence. The film's climax is the execution of a fifteen-year-old girl. The requiem in the Sonata Café isn't just for Mandy but for all the anonymous, expendable women used and disposed of by men of Harford's class throughout the ages.

For all his flaunting of his money and professional rank, Bill Harford is ultimately put back in his place as a member of the serving class. Recall how he's summoned away from Ziegler's party in the same polite but perfunctory manner as his friend Nick, the pianist; like him, Bill is just hired help, the party doctor, called upon to repair (if possible) and cover up (if necessary) human messes like Mandy. When he goes to his patient Lou Nathanson's apartment, he's met by their housemaid, Rosa, who's also dressed in black with a white collar, in a perfectly symmetrical entry hall where every object is in a matched pair. The shot makes the doctor and the maid doubles; they're equals here. When Bill tries to infiltrate the orgy, he's given away by telltale class markers--he shows up in a taxi rather than a limo, and has a costume rental slip in his pocket. His real status at Somerton, as an outsider and intruder, is spelled out for him the next day when he returns to the estate, only to be dismissed with a terse typed note handed him through the bars of the front gate by a tight-lipped servant. (This isn't the only time we see Bill through bars--he has to bribe his way past the grated door at Milich's.) When Ziegler finally calls him onto the carpet for his transgressions, he chuckles at Bill's refusal of a case of 25-year-old Scotch (Bill drinks Bud from the can), not just because this extravagance would be a trifle to him, but because Bill's pretense of integrity is an empty gesture--he's already been bought. Bill may be able to buy, bribe, and command his own social inferiors, and he may own Alice, but he's Ziegler's man.

Although Ziegler has a credible explanation for everything that's happened--Harford's harassment, Nick Nightingale's beating, Mandy's death--we don't ever really know whether he's telling the truth or lying to cover up Mandy's murder. The script carefully withholds any conclusive evidence that would let us feel comfortably certain either way. But Ziegler does have suspiciously privileged access to details of the case: "The door was locked from the inside, the police are happy, end of story! [dismissive lip fart.]" He also claims to be dropping his façade and coming clean a few too many times to be believed: "I have to be completely frank," "Bill, please--no games," and finally, "All right, Bill, let's... let's... let's cut the bullshit, all right?" And notice how he introduces his explanation: "Suppose  I were to tell you..." [emphasis mine]. He's not being "frank"; he's offering Bill an escape, a plausible, face-saving explanation for the girl's death to assuage his unexpectedly agitated conscience. (And it's one of the few things that Bill has a hard time buying--watch the way his hand adheres to his cheek and slowly slides off his face as he rises to his feet and walks dazedly across the room, trying to absorb the incredible coincidence Ziegler's asking him to swallow.) Ziegler's "no games" plea notwithstanding, this entire conversation is a game--a gentlemanly back-and-forth of challenges and evasions over a question of life and death, throughout which the two opponents circle each other uneasily around a blood-red billiards table.

When Bill persists in his inquiries, Ziegler loses his temper and resorts to intimidation and threats. He reminds him of their respective ranks as master and man: "You've been way out of your depth for the last twenty-four hours," he growls. Of his fellow revelers at Somerton, he says, "Who do you think those people were? Those were not ordinary people there. If I told you their names--I'm not going to tell you their names, but if I did, you might not sleep so well." In other words, they're "all the best people," the sorts of supremely wealthy and powerful men who can buy and sell "ordinary" men like Bill and Nick Nightingale, and fuck or kill women like Mandy and Domino. The "you might not sleep so well" is also a veiled warning, and it isn't Ziegler's last. His final word of advice--"Life goes on. It always does... until it doesn't. But you know that, don't you, Bill?"--proffered with an avuncular, unpleasantly proprietary rub of the shoulders, sounds like a reassurance but masks a threat. (We immediately cut from this to a less friendly warning, the mask placed on Bill's pillow.) Bill's expression, in the foreground, is by now so tight and working with suppressed and conflicting feelings that it's hard to read, but one of those feelings is clearly fear for his life--he looks as though he might burst into tears or hysterical laughter, and when Victor claps those patronizing hands on his shoulders, he flinches. In the end, he chooses to accept Victor's explanation not because there's any evidence to confirm it, but because it's a convenient excuse to back down from the dangers of further investigation. He finally understands that he, too, no less than a hooker or a hired piano player, is expendable.

So the questions remain: did Mandy just O.D., or was she murdered? Was Bill's jeweled mask left on his pillow by Alice as an accusation, or by Ziegler's friends as a third and last warning, a death threat like the horse's head in the bed in The Godfather? These are crucial questions, ones that Kubrick deliberately leaves unanswered. And yet most reviewers didn't even seem to notice that they were questions, instead automatically projecting their own interpretations onto the story--most assuming that Ziegler was providing redundant exposition, that Mandy's death was the coincidence Ziegler claimed it to be, and that Alice put the mask there herself. (Dream Story does not even include the character of Ziegler, or any final confrontation with a member of the secret society, and it also makes it clear that it was the protagonist's wife who placed the mask on the bed.) But Kubrick bends over so far backward to preserve these ambiguities that they become glaring, demanding of us that we, like Bill, consciously decide what we're going to believe. Bill's reaction when he sees the mask in his bed could be interpreted either as shame and relief at having his lies exposed, or as the terrified realization that his wife and daughter could have been murdered in their sleep. When Alice wakes up to Bill's sobbing, her expression doesn't betray whether she's startled to see the mask beside her or already knows it's there. When we cut to her the next morning, her eyes swollen and red-rimmed with weeping, we don't know whether she's crying because her husband almost cheated on her or because he's endangered their family. And the final dialogue between Bill and Alice is so vague and allusive ("What should we do?" "Maybe we should be grateful,") that it could as easily refer to Mandy's murder and the implied threat to their lives as to Bill's indiscretions. If we choose to believe the former, then the Harfords aren't just reconciling over their imagined and attempted infidelities; they're agreeing to cover up a crime, to be accomplices after the fact to a homicide.

This is the film's final test--a projection test, like the ambiguous cartoons with blank word balloons shown to Alex at the end of A Clockwork Orange to determine whether his conditioning has been broken. His lascivious and violent interpretations of the images proves that it has. But has ours? The open-ended narrative forces us to ask ourselves what we're really seeing; is Eyes Wide Shut a movie about marriage, sex, and jealousy, or about money, whores, and murder? Before you make up your own mind, consider this: has there ever been a Stanley Kubrick film in which someone didn't get killed?

In the film's upbeat but dissonant denouement, the Harfords have taken their daughter Helena Christmas shopping, but they respond to her wishes only politely, distracted by their own inner children. Like many reviewers, they're still wrapped up in psychology and sex, missing the sociological implications of what's onscreen. But, as in so much of Kubrick's work, the dialogue is misdirection; the real story is being told visually. As poor Helena flits anxiously from one display to the next (already an avid little consumer) every item she fondles associates her with the women who have been exploited and destroyed by her father's circle. Helena's Christmas list includes a blue baby carriage (like the blue stroller seen twice outside Domino's apartment), an oversized teddy bear (next to a rack of tigers like the one on Domino's bed) and a Barbie doll (reminiscent of Milich's daughter) dressed in a diaphanous angel costume just like the one Helena herself wore in the film's first scene. She herself has already become a doll, a thing to be dressed up with cute costumes and accessories. Another toy, conspicuously displayed under a red ring of lights, is called "The Magic Circle"; the name is an allusion to the ring of ritual prostitutes at the orgy, and the bright red color of the box recalls the carpet on which they genuflected to the high priest, as well as the felt of the pool table over which Bill made his own bargain with the devil. The subplot with Milich and his daughter is clearly echoed here, in another place of business, as the Harfords also casually pimp their own little angel out to the world of commerce.

ALICE: And, you know, there is something very important we have to do as soon as possible.
BILL: What's that?

ALICE: Fuck.

As Eyes Wide Shut closes, this final exchange between Bill and Alice suggests that all the dark adventures they've confessed ("whether they were real or only dreams"), and all the crimes in which they are complicit, have occasioned nothing more than another kinky turn-on, no more enlightening than the flirtations at the ball that inflamed their lovemaking when they got home. For all their incoherent talk about being "awake" now, their eyes are still wide shut. Reconciled, they plan to forget all this unpleasantness soon in the blissful oblivion of orgasm. (Try keeping your eyes open during orgasm.) Maybe, in the end, it is a film about sexual obsession after all; about sex as an all-consuming distraction from the ugly realities of wealth and power all around us. Maybe the customer is always wrong.
Certainly a subtler psychological reading of the film than has yet been attempted would be possible. But to focus exclusively on the Harford's unexamined inner lives is to remain willfully blind to the profoundly visual filmic world that Stanley Kubrick devoted a career's labors to creating. The slice of that world he tried to show us in his last--and, he believed, his best--work, the capital of the global American empire at the end of the American Century, is one in which the wealthy, powerful, and privileged use the rest of us like throwaway products, covering up their crimes with pretty pictures, shiny surfaces, and murder, ultimately dooming their own children to lives of servitude and whoredom. The feel-good ending intimates, in Kubrick's very last word on this (or any) subject, that the Harfords' daughter is, just as they've resigned themselves to being, fucked.

Acknowledgements: The seven hundred hours I spent in conversation with Rob Content about this film were invaluable in developing my argument. Bart Taylor of Giotto Perspectives pointed out some of the Christian imagery in the film to me. I am also indebted to Boyd White, guitarist and singer for The Sores, and to Ann Martin, editor of Film Quarterly, for their editorial acumen. Thanks to the University of California Press for permission to re-print this article.

Biographical Information: Tim Kreider is a cartoonist. His work can be seen at WWW.THEPAINCOMICS.COM and in the Baltimore City Paper.

Notes:

[1] Kakutani, Michiko. "A Connoisseur of Cool Tries to Raise the Temperature." The New York Times, 18 July 1999. p. 22. &Nbsp; back

[2] Ciment, Michel. "Second Interview" in Kubrick. Translated from the French by Gilbert Adair. New York: Holt, Reinhart, and Winston, 1980, p. 171. &Nbsp; back

[3] Blakemore, Bill. "The Family of Man." San Francisco Chronicle Syndicate, 29 July 1987.   back

[4] Hunter, Stephen. "The Lust Picture Show: Stanley Kubrick Stumbled with his Eyes Wide Shut." The Washington Post, 16 July 1999, p. C5. &Nbsp; back

[5] Raphael, Frederic. Eyes Wide Shut: A Memoir of Stanley Kubrick. &Nbsp; back

[6] Schnitzler, Arthur. Dream Story. Translated from the German by Otto P. Schinnerer. Los Angeles: Sun & Moon Press, 1995, p. 128. &Nbsp; back

[7] Herr, Michael. Kubrick. New York: Grove Press, 2000, p. 13 &Nbsp; back

[8] Ciment, Michel. "First Interview" in Kubrick, p. 163. &Nbsp; back

[9] Schnitzler, Dream Story, p. 4. &Nbsp; back

[10] Siegel, Lee. "Eyes Wide Shut: What the Critics Failed to See in Kubrick's Last Film." Harper's Magazine, October 1999, vol. 299, #1793, p. 76 - 83. &Nbsp; back

[11] Denby, David. "Last Waltz." The New Yorker, 26 July 1999, p. 84. &Nbsp; back

[12] The ever-perceptive Ms. Kakutani, p. 22. &Nbsp; back

[13] That dimwit Hunter, p. C5. &Nbsp; back

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:34 PM
One thing these high level paedos have got is legal protection. But they're flesh and blood and probably haven't thought about the possibility that one day someone might start hunting them down. Not to prosecute them but the put a bullet in their head. Imagine the panic if dead nonces started turning up all over the place.


That's part of the book I wrote, it's called "13 Hollow", a guy gets the list then does them the old Irish way, my writing got me locked up though, LOL.

magoo22
23-11-2012, 07:36 PM
When you reach rock bottom there is no lower to get, I reached that some time ago and am on my way back up, I do not fear them and they will never silence me, prison is no joke and I only got 70 days but this is not 2009, I trust what the energy we resonate in says and not TV, and this tells me we are approaching a climate of truth, I don't fear pedophiles who use blackmail to cover their crimes, they are on the way out and I am here to make sure my foot hits the last one on the arse out the door.

The mass awakening is now manifest beyond words, it's bringing down the media and TV and the entire establishment, they want us to fear them as they are actually in utter retreat this is when we help them on their way not hide. This is our collective future we are co-creating and this does not support their kind so lets fuck em off out of it for good.

Bravo. :D

welshwitch
23-11-2012, 07:38 PM
Anonymous said...

So Nadir, a Turkish Cypriot was in business with Elizabeth Forsyth, daughter of Thomas McAlpine.

http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/sitenewsreadmore/infobox/news/template/default/active_id/1320

Nadir/Poly Peck was selling arms to Iraq. Mark Thatcher received 12 million from a weapons sale and Polly Peck tried to cover it. This pushed the button for the company’s collapse under the British Serious Fraud Office.P

http://www.cyprusexpat.co.uk/blog/read/id:1035/asil-nadirs-company-used-for-selling-weapons-to-iraq

[I understand MI6 used British companies to get around the embargo, many were collapsed to take the fall, leaving a lot of disgruntled businessmen like Gerald Reavney James, Astra.]

Scallywag (Wilson, Davis) had compromising photos of Y, which they were selling to Nadir.

Giovanni di Stefano is representing Nadir, he has refused to withdraw allegations re X.

X was somehow connected to the SA nuclear matter.
X raised £100m for the party.

No wonder there was no libel claim re the Scallywag article.

Anonymous said...

Elizabeth Forsyth is the daughter of Peggy McAlpine, (104 year old paraglider).

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/317054/Paragliding-Peggy-goes-into-record-books-again-at-104

Article states husband Thomas died 1980. I can find no record of Thomas McAlpine. I have found nothing in the Peerage about this branch of the McAlpine family, nothing to suggest a link to the construction branch, other than her claim.

Anonymous said...

robert maxwell would hold parties on his yacht for people he wanted to impress, the drug ..... was put into the 2 punch bowls, a little later boys nd girls would come in and be shared out, next few days people would be contacted and told the child you were with was under age and unfortunately many photos were taken, we will do our best to keep this concealed, but we need from you....


Dunno if this helps - taken from Ozpress - McLibel's family.

The McAlpine baronetcy was created in 1918, for Robert McAlpine, an entrepreneur, known as "Concrete Bob". Born in Newarthill (North Lanarkshire), he left school at the age of 10 to work in a coal mine, but soon became an apprentice bricklayer. He went on to built up a large building and civil engineering firm, which built roads, public buildings and other works, including the original Wembley Stadium. The company constructed the Dorchester Hotel on Park Lane in London. When their client was unable to pay, the company took possession of the completed building and operated it themselves.

Sir Robert McAlpine, 1st Baronet (1847-1934)
Sir Robert McAlpine, 2nd Baronet (1868-1934)
Sir Alfred Robert McAlpine, 3rd Baronet (1907-1968)
Sir Thomas George Bishop McAlpine, 4th Baronet (1901-1983)
Sir Robert Edwin McAlpine, 5th Baronet (1907-1990), created Baron McAlpine of Moffat in 1980 (Life Peerage)

Sir William Hepburn McAlpine, 6th Baronet (b. 1936)
Ella Mary G. Garnett and her husband Sir Robert Edwin McAlpine, 5th Baronet, created Baron McAlpine of Moffat in 1980, had three children:
Hon. Patricia Garnett McAlpine, she married Hon. Robin Sandbach Borwick, son of Sir Robert Geoffrey Borwick, 3rd Baron Borwick and Margaret Elizabeth Sandbach, on 2nd December 1950.

Sir William Hepburn McAlpine, 6th Baronet, born 1936 at the Dorchester Hotel. He married Jill Benton Jones, daughter of Sir Peter Fawcett Benton Jones, 3rd Bt. and Nancy Pickering, on 5 October 1959. Businessman and former director of the construction company, Sir Robert McAlpine. He is a railway enthusiast, and at one time owned LNER Class A3 4472 Flying Scotsman. He maintains a private railway museum and had a British Rail diesel locomotive, Sir William McAlpine, named in his honour. He is chairman of the Railway Heritage Trust and patron of the Clan MacAlpine Society

Hon. Robert Alistair McAlpine, raised to the peerage as Baron McAlpine of West Green, in 1984. A prominent Conservative peer, close in his views to Margaret Thatcher he held posts in the Conservative Party as amongst others things, Treasurer 1975-90 and Deputy Chairman 1979-83. In 1996, he defected to James Goldsmith's Referendum Movement and in 1997 becoming its leader following Goldsmith's death.

Hon. Robert Alistair McAlpine is (was) a voting member of the House of Lords.

At the time of the 1891 census in Framlingham, staying with Dr. George Jones were, his daughter, Ella Mary Jones, grandmother of Baron and Lord McAlpine and John William Dibdin Heseltine, his second cousin and grandfather of Lord Heseltine.

Mmm.......... they're all related - why am I not surprised?

Sorry if this overlaps/is late posting.

Don't think McLibel can sue on this one - but if he can BRING IT ON:)

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 07:38 PM
+1 agree But these guys and gals have sold themselves to the devil! I hold out not much hope..so we need to do a Max Clifford and shame them into it! Lets do as they do concentrate on the weak links! Any suggestions..Rancid, B and PS spring to mind on celebrity front but also EC and DL on political front!

Ive tried to concentrate my efforts today on Laud, but I get fucking spinny back to front runnings (hope the cunt sees this because I will eventually bury the cunt). Bruno is also a very very weak link, but apart from sitting in the pub and getting the cunt drunk to spill his tongue....Its a long shot.
My personal opinion is this is a Jewish agenda. Mossad had all this planned from many years ago.....Thats my opinion, because then everyone is up for grabs once they have got what they set out to do. This whole debacle stinks of Israel.
Ive made small connections. We all have.....But the picture is still blurry....Its there but the focus needs a tune up.
Schoffield is a cunt, and my gut feeling is he asked Marilyn Stowe, or ITV did for guidance.....She absolutely loved Savile, her dad did run with him. She is also a lawyer, she would of had to of been asked. Its small tidbits like that, that will uncover this rotten shower of shite. Someone makes a mistake, and everyone likes to be involved to make mistakes. Jimmy died.......Now everyone wants to play poker it seems.............

And before you ask :D.......Yes Im on the piss and am going to keep my chin(s) up ;)

Lets win this battle.........We have conscience on our side

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:39 PM
I also firmly believe that there is genuine reason why Brady can't tell police where bodies are buried..


When kids go missing SKYBBC always blame it on the most obvious "white van man" "blue sierrra man" every one has seen him and this is SKYBBC fitting up people with mental health issues from the crimes of insane bloodlines.


Not saying all, but certainly some real big shockers on the event horizon.


Coppers in the Yorkshire ripper case also got ruined for not toeing the free masonic line, Ordo Templi Orientis snatch kids for ritual and fit up mentally ill men and convict them via TV long before trial, it's all in plain sight..

Didn't Savile live in Manchester at the time of the Moors Murders?

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:40 PM
http://saturndeathcult.com/crimes-of-the-saturn-death-cult/stanley-kubrick-and-the-saturn-death-cult/


Here we go

In a nutshell

For the newbies

Enjoy :D


Stanley Kubrick and The Saturn Death Cult
Is the greater body of Stanley Kubrick’s films an exposé of a hidden elite obsessed with dark Saturnian sexual rites, paedophilia and the planned ritualistic transmutation of mankind?


Publicity shot of Stanley Kubrick, rated by many as the finest film director of the 20th century. (image PD)

The author and filmmaker Jay Weidner has proposed that legendary film director Stanley Kubrick created his masterpiece 2001: A Space Odyssey as a visual and alchemical initiation into the ongoing transformation and evolutionary ascent of man to a so-called Star Child destiny.

Set against the backdrop of a space mission sent to the planet Jupiter to investigate a strange artificial monolith, 2001: A Space Odyssey is an almost surreal experience that incorporates thematic elements including human evolution, technology, artificial intelligence and extraterrestrial life.   According to Weidner, it is a bold attempt to envision the next evolutionary step for humanity as it reaches out beyond its own planet into the depths of space.

During a March 6, 2011 interview on Red Ice Radio, Weidner asserted that Kubrick had originally wanted to set the story’s monolith on the planet Saturn as it is written in the Arthur C. Clarke novel of the same name and not on Jupiter as it appears in Kubrick’s film.  However, the special effects team apparently could not replicate Saturn’s rings well enough and Jupiter was substituted into the plot.

Weidner doesn’t buy this.  He believes Kubrick was pressured to make the changes by highly placed occultists worried that the film was too blatant in its depiction of the role played by Saturn in their occult human transmutation agenda.  However, from the perspective of this website’s core theme there are enough eerily familiar images in 2001: A Space Odyssey to suggest that Kubrick did in fact get ‘Saturn’ into his film.


Two iconic images from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Compare with picture below of how a Saturn stationed at Earth's celestial north and connected by a vast auroral Birkeland current might have looked to the ancients during the Golden Age. (images are publicity stills, PD)

So why did they let Kubrick make 2001: A Space Odyssey in the first place?

Well, it all goes back to understanding the context of the times in which Kubrick was working, i.e. the space race with the Soviet Union during the time of the Cold War.  But more on this later, because I think it is important to first establish a connection between Kubrick’s films and Weidner’s assertion of his supposed knowledge of an occult agenda and the elite that control that agenda.

Of course, to fully understand Jay Weidner’s take on the works of Stanley Kubrick it is best to visit his website and read his articles on the subject for yourself.   In the meantime a short summary of Kubrick’s key films (in no particular order) will give you a hint at what Weidner is getting at.


Eyes Wide Shut: Kubrick’s look into the world of the New York sexual underground, the bizarre rituals of a sex cult, infidelity and possible elite murder.  The film is peppered with occult and Masonic visual references and hints at underage prostitution amongst New York’s privileged classes.  The film, though butchered by a studio re-edit, is a cause célèbre  amongst occult observers as an insider’s peek into the dark sexual practises of the world’s elite.  (NOTE: Kubrick died, some say mysteriously, four days after screening his final cut of the movie – it was seriously and suspiciously re-cut after his death)


Publicity still from Eyes Wide Shut. The character was the inspiration for the figure at right in this website's headline banner.

A.I. Artificial Intelligence: A Kubrick project largely completed by Steven Spielberg after Kubrick’s death, the film centres around the concept of artificially created children being manufactured as substitutes for childless couples or grieving parents trying to come to terms with the loss of a human child.  Once again, it is said that Kubrick’s plot was radically changed after his death from a much darker look into why people would want to create life-like children that never grew up.  As Weidner points out: What mother would want to miss out on the experience of watching her child grow into adulthood?  Yet, what group of people would want to have a never-aging 12-year old boy?  Yep,… paedophiles; of which occult groups count many within their ranks.  Was this Kubrick’s intended message for this film?

Lolita: One of Kubrick’s earlier films that explores the sexual relationship between an older man and an underage girl.  Based on the notorious novel of the same name, Kubrick departed from the book’s plot on one significant point – through the enhanced role of Peter Sellers’ character he hints at the existence of a paedophile network active in procuring underage girls.  This is a common attribute associated with elite occult activities and we see here Kubrick exploring one of his more enduring themes.

Dr. Strangelove: The 1964 film that established Kubrick as a special effects master, a very important point to remember in understanding why Jay Weidner believes Kubrick was allowed to make his later occult-exposé films.  For its time, however, Dr. Strangelove was the definitive satire on the ominous military industrial complex that President Eisenhower had warned the American people about.  Occult influences within the military industrial complex have been a staple of occult-conspiracy literature and Kubrick’s satire underlies his own distrust of this insidious institution.


Kubrick's use of the occult circle motif in Dr Strangelove (left) and Eyes Wide Shut (right)

A Clockwork Orange: The ultimate mind-control movie in which we see a violent rapist transformed by the brainwashing Ludovico technique into a passive citizen devoid of his humanity, albeit violent humanity.  In this film Kubrick goes to the heart of a society being steered towards the goal of transmuting people into more pliable subjects.  The suspicion that we can all be manipulated by hidden agendas is the uneasy conclusion echoed by this film and highlights a paranoia Kubrick seems to have had regarding authoritarian control mechanisms.


A Clockwork Orange. Note the 'eye' motif, very evocative of the Eye of Horus, a classic Saturnian symbol.

Full Metal Jacket: Another look by Kubrick at humans being dehumanised then transformed, this time with the horrors of the Vietnam War providing the backdrop as a group of US Marines go through basic training and then into combat.  Once again the aware observer can pick out Kubrick’s use of human transmutation as an underlying theme being used to explain what is happening to the hapless marine recruits – a metaphor maybe for humanity’s own planned transformation.

2001: A Space Odyssey: Kubrick’s undoubted masterpiece and at the centre of Jay Weidner’s alchemical take on Kubrick’s films.  As discussed above, Weidner claims this film to be Kubrick’s attempt at an initiation rite of passage illustrating humanity’s next planned-for evolutionary step.  Weidner believes Kubrick has revealed an occult agenda to launch us as a species into space where we will be able to embrace our destiny as future star children and join the greater cosmos.


The Shining: A film crucial to understanding how Kubrick was able to get away with making films laced with occult references and alchemical imagery.  Weidner believes this fraught adaption of Stephen King’s novel about an isolated writer going mad (King hated Kubrick’s adaption) is actually a cryptic confession by Kubrick of his involvement in the faking of the Apollo 11 moon landings!

And with that last statement we finally arrive at why Kubrick seems to have been allowed to embark on a career making movies with hidden alchemical messages and occult exposés.

Kubrick’s Apollo 11 deal

I first came across Weidner’s work on Stanley Kubrick when researching possible evidence for a faked 1969 moon landing by NASA.  There are many theories claiming that the 1969 Apollo moon mission was faked, but Weidner caught my interest due to his comparative analysis of the moon landing footage with Kubrick’s special effects work in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

What Weidner was able to plausibly demonstrate was that the background sky in the Apollo 11 mission shots shared the same forensic tell-tale signs of Kubrick’s front projection technique used on 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I quote from the blurb to Weidner’s excellent documentary film Kubrick’s Odyssey Part 1:

“In Kubrick’s Odyssey, Part I, Kubrick and Apollo, author and filmmaker, Jay Weidner presents compelling evidence of how Stanley Kubrick directed the Apollo moon landings. He reveals that the film, 2001: A Space Odyssey was not only a retelling of Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick’s novel, but also a research and development project that assisted Kubrick in the creation of the Apollo moon footage. In light of this revelation, Weidner also explores Kubrick’s film, The Shining and shows that this film is, in actuality, the story of Kubrick’s personal travails as he secretly worked on the Apollo footage for NASA.”



Having extensive experience in film production myself, Weidner’s technical arguments were powerfully persuasive.  What we also learn from Weidner is that Kubrick, in agreeing to fake the moon landings, brokered a deal that allowed him to make any movie he wished from that time on with full artistic control.  Kubrick had become an insider in one of the greatest alleged conspiracies of the age, but it was to cost him dearly and he would use his artistic freedom to subtly expose those behind the conspiracy.

The Saturn Death Cult connection

As mentioned in the first paragraphs of this article, Stanley Kubrick had originally wanted to use Saturn and not Jupiter as the location for the alien monolith in 2001.


My favourite Saturnian-type image from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Compare with below image depicting a possible Saturn, Venus and Mars configuration during the Golden Age.

Why?

It is evident that in mythological and esoteric traditions, Saturn is recognised as the original supreme creator or god.  It is also true, as documented by authors such as Richard C. Hoagland and Joseph P. Farrell, that the US space agency NASA was and is infested with various Masonic, Nazi and occult influences all intent on pursuing their own hidden agendas, and all fully versed in what this writer refers to as corrupted Saturnian lore.

In dealing with these occult NASA insiders while faking the Apollo 11 landings, Kubrick would have been initiated into their perception that humanity’s destiny is inextricably linked to an occult and metaphysical understanding of Saturn.  Exposing this twisted metaphysical interpretation of Saturn is the whole premise for this website, but for Kubrick such an interpretation would have been crucial in establishing a true initiation experience for his 2001: A Space Odyssey audience.

But, as we have seen, Kubrick was thwarted on that score when he was forced to switch to Jupiter as the film’s main backdrop.

The irony is though, that because most occultists themselves still labour under the notion that the solar system has always been as we see it today, Kubrick would not have realised that there is a perfectly natural explanation for Saturn’s exalted position in mythology.  While NASA’s occult jet propulsion engineers and Nazi rocket scientists looked to rediscover some lost Saturnian truth by physically travelling to that planet (Saturn V rockets?), those with an appreciation for the Electric Universe model of the solar system know that Saturn’s mythological secrets lie in its original physical position at Earth’s celestial north.

That occultists and alchemists still cling in ignorance to the accepted uniformitarian view of our solar system would almost be laughable if it were not for one very brutal fact;  that they have developed a code of sickening sex-murder rituals over the centuries in pursuit of their quasi-metaphysical reverence for Saturn.

As those who have read this website’s general outline on the Saturn Death Cult know, women and children the world over have suffered the horrific consequences of this insidious interpretation of mythology.  If we are to believe the imagery of films like Eyes Wide Shut and A Clockwork Orange, then it seems Kubrick too was exposed to this unsavoury side of the Saturn legacy and his latter films may have been his own attempt to alert us to the existence of this curse.  For Kubrick, though, the tragedy is that his artistic genius was badly poisoned by contact with these creatures and it seems he too suffered terribly on a personal level as a result.



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allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:41 PM
That's part of the book I wrote, it's called "13 Hollow", a guy gets the list then does them the old Irish way, my writing got me locked up though, LOL.

You got locked up for writing a book? :eek: Non-fiction? Was it published?

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:41 PM
Bravo. :D



I don't want to spend chrimbo back in the "ville" though so I am going to focus on Savile until the laws are totally upheld and I would appreciate if others would let this one simmer until I am actually un-nickable..


There are far bigger monsters to focus on and when they fall, they all fall.


Justice means for all, so I am if anything, very patient..And fucking excited as the outcome is true freedom..

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:44 PM
Didn't Savile live in Manchester at the time of the Moors Murders?


Savile did not work alone, this is the psycho bloodline playing with their toys, that's us.. Lucan never sank to the bottom of the channel they change names and history like we change bed linen, lots of great not so mysterious mysteries will all lead to the same doorsteps of the insane bloodlines.

borsabil
23-11-2012, 07:45 PM
One thing these high level paedos have got is legal protection. But they're flesh and blood and probably haven't thought about the possibility that one day someone might start hunting them down. Not to prosecute them but the put a bullet in their head. Imagine the panic if dead nonces started turning up all over the place.

If I found out that there was abuse being perpetrated against someone near and dear to me I would not be going to the police with it. In previous generations it was well understood that these things should be dealt with by the community, no cops or nonce judges were required. Just an unfortunate 'accident' and problem solved. I think that system worked a hell of a lot better than some deviant being locked up for a couple of years for raping hundreds of kids, that's if he's caught and if his Masonic mates don't cover for him. Our communities are now so fractured and broken it makes child abuse all the harder to detect and be dealt with IMO.

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:45 PM
I wonder which firm concreted Savile's coffin in its hole.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:45 PM
Read this

http://jaysanalysis.com/2011/01/25/eyes-wide-shut-1999-esoteric-analysis/


Look at the Crowley posed photo

Oath of secrecy

Is that not the same image VILE COPIED?!?

http://jaysanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/dcodex_41.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BJCD7zQ6BzI/UG3R5ZLtMMI/AAAAAAAAhNU/oL5hiLY9dEw/s320/JIMMY+SAVILE.jpg


By: Jay

Eyes Wide Shut is a film that failed to live to the expectations of many. It was supposed to be an edgy thriller that made statements about upper echelon decadence, while also utilizing the real world sex life of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a kind of doorway bridging the gap between reality and fantasy – something that does come up in other Kubrick films, such as 2001: A Space Odyssey.  In this Kubrick film, however, we have a statement about who runs the “show.”  The show is both the film itself, as well as reality, and Kubrick wants viewers to realize that reality is run by our present showmasters of the videodrome. The viewer is supposed to reflect upon the decadence of the Eastern elite establishment, but also notice that viewing the film itself is homage to present social hypocrisy, since the film is a wannabe voyeuristic step into the sex lives of others. In this regard, it functions as an initiation. None of the other analysts and commenters have really noticed this. Virtually every review I have read sees it as some elaborate “MKULTRA/Illuminati” mind control thing (as is supposedly everything on those sites), while other reviews from professors and academia see it as a social or psychological commentary.

I think it has elements of all this, but the real goal is, I believe, an initiation process. The viewer is at the film because he or she is curious about Hollywood secrets and elite lives. Think of all the silly gossip magazines we have.  The “average Joe” went to see the film for a glimpse of Nicole Kidman, and Kubrick wants the viewer to see the hypocrisy in such an action, given that most people will “judge” the film’s secret society cult. Eyes Wide Shut, then, is a descriptor of the audience, as well as the characters in the film, who don’t really understand the socio-political power base that runs things. The power base is not, according to Kubrick’s film, the average politician or wealthy doctor or lawyer in New York.  Indeed, this is precisely Kidman and Cruise’s characters’ status: they are unwitting inductees. Thus throughout the film, the viewers eyes are wide shut to the reality of the power structure, just as Kidman and Cruise’s characters are, until the end, when they have their eyes “opened,” as they both say at the end. Let us proceed.

The opening scene shows us Mrs. Harford (Nicole Kidman) between two pillars. This is the doorway to the initiation, in other words. The two pillars figure prominently in Freemasonry as the entranceway to the divine, as borrowed from Solomon’s temple:


Nicole stands between two pillars - Jachin and Boaz, setting the initiatory tone for the film.


The two pillars of Freemasonry borrowed from Solomon's Temple, indicating the doorway to the "mysteries"

The viewer is being told from the beginning that they are to undergo an initiation into how the “mysteries” and the secret societies work, particularly from a sociological perspective.  The Harfords, we discover, are having marital troubles related to sexual frustrations. It is also significant that it is Christmas time, when the initiatory procedure takes place, as a kind of anti-traditional religious/anti-Christian statement. It is also important to remember that all details in a Kubrick film are significant – the placement of everything is meaningful and deliberate.
As mentioned in the picture above, the film is full of mirrors, which are symbols of the psyche, the inner world as it were, as well as other worlds. This occurs in Alice in Wonderland, for example, and this theme, as well as the Wizard of Oz, both figure prominently, and are theosophical allegories. Most commenters who note this point to it as some kind of MKULTRA control mechanism, but I think that is far-flung – more realistic would be the usage of such stories as allegories or metaphors for transformation – the metamorphosis of initiation into the “mysteries,” if you will. Both stories have theosophic undertones and symbolism, and thus constitute initiatory tales as well. When the Harford’s arrive at the party, we see a clear symbol of what kind of initiation they are going to undergo – a Satanic one, as we see from the inverted pentagram:

The doors of their perception are about to change as they enter the party marked with an inverted pentagram.

Ziegler, Harford’s friend, invites the couple to his parties frequently under the auspices of eventually getting them to participate in the orgies. As it turns out, there are two parties, and Mr. Harford’s old college buddy, Nick Nightingale, plays piano for both. Initially, both Harfords resist the temptation to sleep with other people, yet appear to have the desire given their own marital sexual problems. However, what we continue to suspect is not that the events are randomly occurring, but rather that it has been organized. It is not an accident that Bill Harford’s college buddy has shown up. Alice gets drunk and is then hit on by Sandor Szavost, a wealthy Hungarian.  Szavost is likely a reference to Anton Szandor LaVey, the founder and High Priest of the Church of Satan.  I think this is a symbolic reference, just to let us know the crowd they are being allowed to party with is ultimately an upper echelon Satanic cult. It is also interesting to note that the original story (“Dream Story”) is written about a couple who undergoes the experience in upper class Austria around the turn of the century, since Germany is the origin of the actual members of the Order of Illuminati.

Bill discovers that Ziegler is involved in some shady dealings, and apparently has some connection to drugs and beauty queens. “Mandy,” a beauty queen we later discover, is knocked out from drugs - ‘asleep’ and nude, and we will find Alice experience something similar. Mandy has almost overdosed, and Dr. Harford tells her she cannot keep doing what she is doing: we don’t know if it’s a suicide attempt or not.  It is also interesting that the nude woman in the painting above Mandy is sprawled out in the same position, as if to allude to the film’s thesis of a thin borderline between fantasy or dream, and reality.

Next, we see the Harfords going about daily activities. Notice again the inverted pentagrams in the background:


More inverted pentagrams pop up.

The Harfords then have a big argument over sex and the desire to cheat, and Alice tells Bill she once wanted to have sex with a young man years ago at a hotel. Throughout their condo we see images of gateways in gardens, indicating again that this is a film about initiation. Gardens also bring to mind Eden, and the expulsion of Adam and Eve due to sin, or it could refer to their coming initiation into the “garden of the gods,” so to speak, as they are about to experience the underworld in overworld.


Garden/doorway imagery.
Bill then leaves to visit a patient who has passed away, and begins his languorous escapade for an extra-marital affair.  He finds out his patient’s daughter has a crush on him, but Bill decides to remain faithful and leaves. He begins to suspect marriage is bad for others, too, as Sandor had tried to convince Alice. Bill then roams the streets looking for sexual fulfillment, passing hookers and sex shops. He then gets harassed by a group of guys who (for no reason whatsoever) call him a homosexual, showing society’s obsession with sex.  Bill bumps into a pretty hooker and is invited to her apartment. He concedes, and steps into the world of the lower class, finding that sex is an “issue” everywhere. More symbolic imagery is used, as we see the prominent placement of books on sociology in the whore’s apartment. Kubrick is showing us that he is making a statement on sociology – but not the one most people think. It’s the true sociology of how the world is really run.  Bill is interrupted from his cheating and decides not to. There are also numerous masks inside the hookers apartment, showing you that society wears a mask, has a fake facade of Christianity – since there are Christmas trees everywhere – yet is anything but traditionally religious. Instead, the masks show society as a fraud. But beyond that, Kubrick wants the viewer to see that those who really run things are masked – they constitute a secret team of wealthy, upper class who remain in the shadows. In fact, this is in my estimation, to be another clue that the hooker is also not a real hooker – she is part of the secret society (hence the masks in her apartment), and is being used to reel Bill in, just like Nick Nightingale.  Most hookers don’t study sociology.


The whore is a hired member of the secret society and her apartment has masks as a clue.

Bill leaves and runs across his buddy Nick playing at another club in town. Nick tells him about the after party – the second party that Sandor had mentioned to Alice it turns out, where Nick plays piano blindfolded. Bill is intrigued, and decides to try to sneak in, after tracking down a cheesy mask and costume at the only costume store still open. The password, Nick tells Bill, is “Fidelio,” bringing to mind the theme of marital faithfulness that has been constantly in question in the film so far.  Bill finds the costume shop, named The Rainbow, which is what the two women who propositioned him at the party had already mentioned – that he can find what he is after “at the end of the rainbow.”  This is a Wizard of Oz reference, and the mirrors and “Alice” have already suggested Alice in Wonderland.  Bill is still oblivious, however, to the synchronicity which, in my opinion, has been planned.  The events are Bill’s initiation, and he is being tested to see if he will be faithful either to his wife, his ambiguous sense of moral, or, ultimately, to the cult – hence, “fidelio.”  It should be noted as well that the cult is clearly Satanic, and Lucifer, the fallen angel of Scripture, who sought to dethrone God, is the light-bearer.  And of course light is a prism or rainbow.


Bill finds what he has been led to - the end of the rainbow.

The costume shop is run by a foreigner who pimps out his daughter, we discover, and I suspect this reference to underage sex also implies connection to the Satanic cult, since my analysis is that events are all planned. Tom then takes a cab to the mansion and sneaks in using the password. There we see a kind of initiation ritual where numerous models are inducted into the cult in a kind of mock Catholic mass, with Bill noticing everyone wearing masks.


Masked balls go back to ancient times, but the past few hundred years they have come to mark the party life of certain cadres of the upper echelons of power. Renaissance Britain had many masked balls, as well as France, and according to Vatican insider and exorcist, Malachi Martin in his famous book Hostage to the Devil, such ritual orgies certainly do take place.  Bill is tricked into revealing his identity and we get the impression the cult is going to kill him, until a girl steps forward to “ransom” herself for him. I suspect this is Mandy from earlier in the film, who now wants out of the secret society. Her way out will be death, as Bill will discover her name in the obituary for an overdose.  Here is a great example of a modern masked ball of upper class elites.

Bill takes the cab home and Alice wakes up giggling and laughing, as if she had been drugged. He tells her she was dreaming, and she starts to cry. He asks what the “dream” was and she says it was “so weird” – “we were in a deserted city and our clothes were gone. We were naked and I was terrified and I felt ashamed. And I was angry because you…rushed away to find clothes for us. As soon as you were gone it was completely different. I felt wonderful. Then I was lying in a beautiful garden stretched out naked in the sunlight and a man walked out of the woods. He was the man from the hotel I told you about – the Naval officer. He stared at me and he just laughed. He just laughed at me….He was kissing me and then we were making love, then there were all these other people around us – hundreds of them everywhere – they were all fucking. And then I was fucking other men, so many I don’t know how many I was with. I knew I could see me in the arms of all these men…and I wanted to make fun of you, to laugh in your face. And so I laughed as loud as could. And that must have been when you woke me up.”

This, in my opinion, is a key clue to the fact that they are both being inducted into the cult. Either Alice has been drugged and doesn’t recall being used, thinking it was a dream, or she is a willing part of the initiation process for Bill, insofar as she has already been brought in. Either are possible. Bill is distraught and tries to track down the cult again, but is warned not to inquire any further. Bill decides he still wants to have an affair, and calls up the whore, only to discover she is nowhere to be found and that she has aids.  Bill leaves and wanders the streets again, only to find that he is being followed by shady characters. He finds out in the paper that Mandy has overdosed, and he goes to the morgue to find out that she had most likely been killed.  Bill goes to talk to Ziegler and Ziegler reveals that he is in the cult and was there that night when Bill snuck in. Ziegler warns him to not investigate any further, while Bill is shocked that his good friend is part of a secret society magick sex cult. It is also interesting that Ziegler’s house is decorated with paintings of what appear to be British aristocracy.

Ziegler tells him that he figured out that Nick had mentioned the cult. Ziegler tells Bill he had him followed and found out he had been seeking out why Nick had disappeared. Ziegler then says, “Bill, suppose I tell that everything that happened there, the threats, the girl’s warnings, suppose I said all of that was staged.  That it was a kind of charade. That it was fake?…to scare the shit out of you to keep you quiet about where you’d been and what you’d seen.”  Bill tells Ziegler he saw Mandy’s body, and Ziegler says she was the one at the party. Bill asks what kind of charade ends with someone ending up dead.  In other words, we find out that it was a ritual killing. Bill comes home to find the mask that he had lost on the pillow next to Alice, who is asleep. In other words, we are to suspect either that Alice knows he was there, or she is telling him that she is involved. Bill breaks down and “tells her everything.”  Bill has been initiated into top dog Satanic masonry – not just the local low-level stuff. Significantly, Cruise’s character gives the Masonic sign of Secrecy – the hand on the chest with forefinger extended up, as mentioned in of Richardson’s Monitor of Freemasonry, page 86 .


Oath of Secrecy


Here is Satanist Aleister Crowley giving the sign of secrecy.

Bill confesses to Alice and they both are upset. After the confession the realize they had promised to take their daughter Christmas shopping that morning. In the shopping scene we see another inverted pentagram and a purposefully placed “Magic circle” game, as well as another display labelled “magic.” The couple has now stepped into the magic circle and their eyes are no longer shut. They have been “illuminated.”  We had already seen a “magic circle” of models at the initiation ritual in the mansion. In the toy store, Bill and Alice discuss what they should do, deciding that they should be “grateful.” Alice says “we should be grateful that we have managed to survive through all our adventures, whether they were real or only a dream.”  Bill asks if she is sure, and Alice says she will forgive one night and Bill says “No dream is ever just a dream.” Alice responds that they are “awake now, and hopefully, for a long time to come” “Forever,” they both say. ‘Let’s not say forever,” Alice retorts, “it frightens me. But I do love you, and you know, there is something very important we need to do as soon as possible – fuck.”


Alice and Bill are surrounded by pentagrams and the "Magic Circle."

So the film is certainly about the different issues of marital problems our society creates, with its decadence and veneer of Christianity, as well as its sexual issues, but that is only half the story. The story is about the couple “waking up” and seeing the social power structure as it really is – rich elites who are into bizarre cults and weird sex magick. If you want your eyes opened, this is the whole point of the film. The power structure is about power and sex, but not just any old thing – particularly ritualized sex and gnostic, masonic, Satanic cult versions. This was the point of the Eden imagery, as well as the Alice and Wonderland and Oz references – the transition both from a fantasy reality of the dreamworld and base sexual desires, into the fake world of the film itself, as well as the transition from eyes shut, to awake. Not only was it supposed to be an initiation for the couple, the viewer is supposed to be initiated to the nature of the underworld, as well. This is what all the other reviewers have missed.

mr dude
23-11-2012, 07:47 PM
Didn't Savile live in Manchester at the time of the Moors Murders?

http://thesumpplug.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/uncle-jim-cobley-and-all.html

This is a well researched and legitimate blog, though with some degree of dramatisation... nonetheless, interesting reading

claydog
23-11-2012, 07:47 PM
You got locked up for writing a book? :eek: Non-fiction? Was it published?


All my writing was jumped on.. have you ever read a super injunction? one that names a pedophile ring. the judges that sign the injunctions are in the books and at the parties.. then they are all blackmailed as part of the establishment, pedophilia is a very old game for ritual of pan-sexuality, royal bloodline. then used to blackmail every one who took the ticket and wanted in the inner sanctum. That's true occultism Ordo Templi Orientis.

concernedmom
23-11-2012, 07:48 PM
When you reach rock bottom there is no lower to get, I reached that some time ago and am on my way back up, I do not fear them and they will never silence me, prison is no joke and I only got 70 days but this is not 2009, I trust what the energy we resonate in says and not TV, and this tells me we are approaching a climate of truth, I don't fear pedophiles who use blackmail to cover their crimes, they are on the way out and I am here to make sure my foot hits the last one on the arse out the door.

The mass awakening is now manifest beyond words, it's bringing down the media and TV and the entire establishment, they want us to fear them as they are actually in utter retreat this is when we help them on their way not hide. This is our collective future we are co-creating and this does not support their kind so lets fuck em off out of it for good.

HOORAH! :)

I'd love to be the one to punch Mcslime between the eyes then kick his fat arse through the prison door.

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 07:49 PM
One thing these high level paedos have got is legal protection. But they're flesh and blood and probably haven't thought about the possibility that one day someone might start hunting them down. Not to prosecute them but the put a bullet in their head. Imagine the panic if dead nonces started turning up all over the place.

Please, don't tempt me!

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:51 PM
If I found out that there was abuse being perpetrated against someone near and dear to me I would not be going to the police with it. In previous generations it was well understood that these things should be dealt with by the community, no cops or nonce judges were required. Just an unfortunate 'accident' and problem solved. I think that system worked a hell of a lot better than some deviant being locked up for a couple of years for raping hundreds of kids, that's if he's caught and if his Masonic mates don't cover for him. Our communities are now so fractured and broken it makes child abuse all the harder to detect and be dealt with IMO.

If every 'investigation' like the Waterhouse-led one into the North Wales abuse is going to be a whitewash, there's really only one way to get justice. I'm not a naturally violent person but there's no way I'm going to sit about for the rest of my life while despicable scum cover each others arses and carry on raping kids and ruining lives and getting away with it.

Hopefully we'll see the house of cards fall and some semblance of proper justice will be served...but I doubt that'll happen, being realistic. I fear the direct approach might be the only one eventually. The big issue is waking the sheep up so they realise it's not just some conspiracy bollocks but something which has been happening for decades and will continue to happen - to their kids, if they're unlucky.

The problem is making the masses believe. The sheer number of abuse survivors out there - this is just the ones who have spoken up, the vast majority probably never have - indicates what a massive issue this is.

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 07:51 PM
And did those feet in ancient time.
Walk upon Englands mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In Englands green & pleasant land

This truly is the agenda..... My 2 cents

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:52 PM
See you are either still on your phone or developed fat finger syndrome! :p Sending you much love and protection..you put your self in the firing line when you started this thread, I respect you for that BUT I hope that all on here will send you loving thoughts to protect you! Hang in there xx

Thank you, am on masses of painkillers and cider, down the pub. Fat fingers cos my iPhone is a Beeyatch and keeps misbehaving' !!! :D

Onwards! :D

marny
23-11-2012, 07:53 PM
This is my first post and I've been following this amazing thread since the scandal broke in the MSM. Incredible work everybody.

What I'd like to add is a quote from the book. 'The Murder of Princess Diana' by Noel Botham. It describes Prince Charles lack of emotion/passion by past girlfriends. Does it emotionally, not sound like a certain deceased peroxide blonde pervert? It also might explain why these two got on so well, among other interests.

This is from the prologue, page xxvii. I haven't even reached the meat of the book so I have no idea what I'm going to find out.

"In Camilla's eyes, unlike those of most of the other women in his life, Charles was never found wanting. With the others he was never particularly noted for his bedroom skills and was voted disappointingly inadequate as a lover by those of his girlfriends who were willing to talk.'He is the least tactile man I have ever known,' said one. Another could not remember him ever having caressed her - in or out of bed. 'He made love to satisfy himself,' she recalled with a grimace. 'What you might call Australianesque!'

Few of his girlfriends had wanted to prolong a relationship even with the matchless reward of becoming Queen of England. Some girls did not even have the consolation of social contact with Charles. They were delivered, by aides, to his bedroom in the homes of his many chums, made love to with little tenderness or satisfaction on their part, and spirited away. '

I'm really suspicious of all the photographs and stories of Charles with Jimmy and the arrest of Reverend Peter Ball. Straight away we are told of his friendship to these paedophiles. Could this be a plan to allow the leap frogging of William to the throne when the time comes? It would certainly give the monarchy a much needed laundering in the eyes of the sheeple. I don't think deep down much would change, in fact the power and adoration would be boosted I feel. I know nothing about William. He's being kept under wraps quite effectively.
That is interesting.
Sounds like the way he treated his woman was a bit like Savile, no kissing no emotion etc. Wonder what this says about their psychological makeup. That does puzzle me ,why was Diana saying he is not fit to be King .Was that question ever asked, why. Perhaps the interviewer knows but like Paul Burrell he knows he can't go there. I doubt it is anything to do with leap frogging to the throne cause he always has insisted he will become king and Camilla Queen. But his tolerence for these paedophiles is odd.

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:56 PM
All my writing was jumped on.. have you ever read a super injunction? one that names a pedophile ring. the judges that sign the injunctions are in the books and at the parties.. then they are all blackmailed as part of the establishment, pedophilia is a very old game for ritual of pan-sexuality, royal bloodline. then used to blackmail every one who took the ticket and wanted in the inner sanctum. That's true occultism Ordo Templi Orientis.

I've never read a super injunction. But if I had that kind of info it would be all over the web no piece of paper would stop it coming out.

Easy for me to say, I know. But nothing gets on my fucking wick like people trying to use their position to suppress the truth. I'd get whatever time they wanted to give me in the slammer, I think, and make sure sites like this, where the information will be believed and further research into the guilty carried out, were made aware of everything.

Did you try to publish your writing, is that how you got super injunctioned?

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 07:58 PM
initals M C?:confused:

I think claydog is having to step carefully. But he didn't give you those initials, you worked it out yourself, as did I ;)

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 07:58 PM
Would be nice to think that. But I suspect if they're aware of it at all, they sit there and laugh at how little we know. We find the odd little titbit here and there. But I expect even the most cynical and suspicious among us would probably be staggered if we knew even 10% of the shit that goes on that they keep covered up.

This is why we need to get 'real people' into positions of power. People who aren't Oxbridge nonces, masons, old school tie, old boys' network, part of the establishment in crowd. Problem is, human beings are weak and easily corrupted. Many people start out decent and quickly fall prey to the many temptations put their way.

+1 agree how many people have we seen forsake their principles throughout the years..but who are "the real people" in this land..? I trust nobody who goes into politics etc Frightening prospect..will stick with my chickens, dogs and rabbits! Trust them more than any ruling body!

Sad but true..great explain 2 jags JP..dont get me started on Peter or Tony! We all think the rich boys are the problem BUT sorry all establishment are corrupt...answers on a postcard to tell me different :)

electric_lady
23-11-2012, 07:59 PM
even in the sun picture he looked haggered, loads of mind control or something like that

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01617/_Frank_Bruno_1617819a.jpg

Having this week read the Brice Taylor book - :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad: - I wonder two things;

- Bruno has been repeatedly sectioned due to incoherent rantings about satanist child-murdering freemasons that most people would find bizarre

- Bruno's mind-control programming has broken down and he has been "sectioned" in an attempt to bring him back under control. These sectionings being infact re-programming sessions?

F**K ME that Brice Taylor book is a harrowing read. :(

anders7777
23-11-2012, 07:59 PM
its a emotional rollercoaster ride we bought the ticket chin up anders

this will take your mind off the pain Isle of Man TT - full lap onboard cam マン島TT フルラップオンボードカメラ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2TVnGBS1F8&feature=related)

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edelweiss pirate
23-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Having this week read the Brice Taylor book - :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad: - I wonder two things;

- Bruno has been repeatedly sectioned due to incoherent rantings about satanist child-murdering freemasons that most people would find bizarre

- Bruno's mind-control programming has broken down and he has been "sectioned" in an attempt to bring him back under control. These sectionings being infact re-programming sessions?

F**K ME that Brice Taylor book is a harrowing read. :(

Always liked big Frank.......

tameelf
23-11-2012, 08:05 PM
I don't want to spend chrimbo back in the "ville" though so I am going to focus on Savile until the laws are totally upheld and I would appreciate if others would let this one simmer until I am actually un-nickable..


There are far bigger monsters to focus on and when they fall, they all fall.


Justice means for all, so I am if anything, very patient..And fucking excited as the outcome is true freedom..

hi claydog we met on twitter you shook me when we talked there great to see you here everyone wants the lid blown today i have been waiting 18 years it was lonley back in the day but as time has gone by more goverment coverups and cockups wake more people up they know the tipping point is getting closer theres no rush for us ..... bide your time contact david icke or brian gerrish to bank your info

claydog
23-11-2012, 08:08 PM
I've never read a super injunction. But if I had that kind of info it would be all over the web no piece of paper would stop it coming out.

Easy for me to say, I know. But nothing gets on my fucking wick like people trying to use their position to suppress the truth. I'd get whatever time they wanted to give me in the slammer, I think, and make sure sites like this, where the information will be believed and further research into the guilty carried out, were made aware of everything.

Did you try to publish your writing, is that how you got super injunctioned?


I made an announcement on facebook and it kind of spread like wildfire, so the damage is already done those that know the truth know it and most are waiting for the law to be changed which is coming. I am not the only one served with an injunction there has been quite a few before me and its emotional blackmail because they can literally take your home, its totally draconian and to suit the claimant, all I had was my liberty but they did not hesitate to take that, Pentonville is like going back about 150 years, it's no joke. fucking shit up the walls blood and cockroaches that you sometimes feel in your sheets, I am not exaggeration it's a total fucking kazihole. and just all round nastiness, it's a piss heads and junkies and poverty prison and for nonces also. a truly horrific experience and the high court always send you to the Ville. Once was enough, I am patient and things are speeding up to suit us, and fuck them all..

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 08:09 PM
Having this week read the Brice Taylor book - :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad: - I wonder two things;

- Bruno has been repeatedly sectioned due to incoherent rantings about satanist child-murdering freemasons that most people would find bizarre

- Bruno's mind-control programming has broken down and he has been "sectioned" in an attempt to bring him back under control. These sectionings being infact re-programming sessions?

F**K ME that Brice Taylor book is a harrowing read. :(

Frank has not got the will to keep quiet. He also has not got the will to talk......He has totally utterly been brain shagged.....And he knows it but cant explain it to himself.....What a fucking knockout!!!
He didnt shake hands with sutcliffe......he shook hands with himself. Thats how fucked up he is.....He is totally minced.

ceasar909
23-11-2012, 08:10 PM
Having this week read the Brice Taylor book - :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad: - I wonder two things;

- Bruno has been repeatedly sectioned due to incoherent rantings about satanist child-murdering freemasons that most people would find bizarre

- Bruno's mind-control programming has broken down and he has been "sectioned" in an attempt to bring him back under control. These sectionings being infact re-programming sessions?

F**K ME that Brice Taylor book is a harrowing read. :(

not being smug but good to know its not me alone that thinks brunos way out of his safe shallow waters.

claydog
23-11-2012, 08:10 PM
hi claydog we met on twitter you shook me when we talked there great to see you here everyone wants the lid blown today i have been waiting 18 years it was lonley back in the day but as time has gone by more goverment coverups and cockups wake more people up they know the tipping point is getting closer theres no rush for us ..... bide your time contact david icke or brian gerrish to bank your info


Will do and thanks :)

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:11 PM
Well one thing they didn't think off was this thread!!:D I bet it is doing their nut in..SO we need to keep going! We all have different strength re research and views. Call me mad but I have a gut feeling we will eventually blow this out the water! But only if we stick with it and stay strong..this is/will get worse! Yep I am scared but something keeps pushing me on! I will keep digging but really we all know the truth..just need to get the Bastards too crack!! Easy :D

Abso fucking lutely!!! :D

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 08:13 PM
Always liked big Frank.......

We all liked Jimmy at one point too......(hypothetical) :D Had to Edit.....I meant general
Who else in the 80s and 90s were we taught to look up to and trust......Perhaps thats where we should be looking......Things like that

We all raved for an american boxer called Tyson.....he was a fucking sex case.

claydog
23-11-2012, 08:14 PM
Frank has not got the will to keep quiet. He also has not got the will to talk......He has totally utterly been brain shagged.....And he knows it but cant explain it to himself.....What a fucking knockout!!!
He didnt shake hands with sutcliffe......he shook hands with himself. Thats how fucked up he is.....He is totally minced.


He was actually punch drunk before becoming a boxer, no sorry he was not a boxer, he was a punch bag for the totally rigged boxing heavyweight game when the ring leader was still Don king.

A true world heavyweight twat

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 08:14 PM
I made an announcement on facebook and it kind of spread like wildfire, so the damage is already done those that know the truth know it and most are waiting for the law to be changed which is coming. I am not the only one served with an injunction there has been quite a few before me and its emotional blackmail because they can literally take your home, its totally draconian and to suit the claimant, all I had was my liberty but they did not hesitate to take that, Pentonville is like going back about 150 years, it's no joke. fucking shit up the walls blood and cockroaches that you sometimes feel in your sheets, I am not exaggeration it's a total fucking kazihole. and just all round nastiness, it's a piss heads and junkies and poverty prison and for nonces also. a truly horrific experience and the high court always send you to the Ville. Once was enough, I am patient and things are speeding up to suit us, and fuck them all..

Big mistake announcing it on FB, if I may be so bold as to say ;) But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Never ever underestimate the ruthlessness of these fuckers, or the depths to which they will sink. Don't think I need to tell you that.

TBH, any such revelations need to be done anonymously, using means where you can't be traced (it is still possible but it's more difficult than it used to be). You can still say 'I was there, they did this or that to me' but so long as they can't actually prove who you are by you naming yourself or them being able to trace where the posting came from, there's not much they can do about it.

concernedmom
23-11-2012, 08:16 PM
not being smug but good to know its not me alone that thinks brunos way out of his safe shallow waters.

do you think now Savile isnt around to 'supervise' him he is probably being controlled with liquid coshes?

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:16 PM
:eek:

Never liked her. Ignorant bitch, IMHO. Always suspected she didn't actually write her novels as she sounds so thick and stupid when she speaks. Assuming this the person I'm thinking of.

I still don't know!!!

Jaysus!!! Pentonvile, not good!

As an aside, I am quite into Harleys, back in the day I read a very interesting book by Linda la Plante'd ex husband - basically about him buying a zharley and riding across the USA - he was a wannabe biker, but you have to start somewhere! :D good book if you can find a copy :D

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 08:18 PM
Is that straight up about Frank ranting about Satanism and masons? :eek: Pretty explosive if it is. I personally think Frank is an inherently decent guy and a simple soul who has been exploited to hell and back.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:19 PM
Love Barry Soetero such an amazing, unusual and unreal character! The Bourne Trilogy has nothing on this guy :D

:D

:p

tameelf
23-11-2012, 08:20 PM
lmao @anders your reply to my isle of man 1 lap post was brilliant burt lancaster was my childhood hero and whose name thank god has not come up scared to look now lol

i am bad with computor tech im on a 5 year old laptop

every time it messes up i press ALT AND F10 rapidly soon as i switch on ...this restores factory settings NOTHING WILL BE SAVED but you get a brand new computor free

ps you never seen the tt??

claydog
23-11-2012, 08:20 PM
Big mistake announcing it on FB, if I may be so bold as to say ;) But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Never ever underestimate the ruthlessness of these fuckers, or the depths to which they will sink. Don't think I need to tell you that.

TBH, any such revelations need to be done anonymously, using means where you can't be traced (it is still possible but it's more difficult than it used to be). You can still say 'I was there, they did this or that to me' but so long as they can't actually prove who you are by you naming yourself or them being able to trace where the posting came from, there's not much they can do about it.



70 days was worth it because nobody forgets do they? its all about their legacy and what they all have tor face, I hated the place but i told a lot of people the truth before they got me to prison. 70 days was well worth it but not any longer..

Bigger monsters out there and they will spring the entire trap not just individuals this will change the game entirely. Then the patient minded reap their rewards..

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 08:22 PM
not being smug but good to know its not me alone that thinks brunos way out of his safe shallow waters.

I wanted to fight Bruno pages and pages back......The bell rang ;)
Im just putting my gum shield back in........He is a key Im telling you.
I put him down as a subliminal.....dont know why just do. When he pops up in the papers, shit starts soon after.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:22 PM
Would be nice to think that. But I suspect if they're aware of it at all, they sit there and laugh at how little we know. We find the odd little titbit here and there. But I expect even the most cynical and suspicious among us would probably be staggered if we knew even 10% of the shit that goes on that they keep covered up.

This is why we need to get 'real people' into positions of power. People who aren't Oxbridge nonces, masons, old school tie, old boys' network, part of the establishment in crowd. Problem is, human beings are weak and easily corrupted. Many people start out decent and quickly fall prey to the many temptations put their way.

Agree 100 pc

I been around, but still know maybe ten pc of what is REALLY going on...

claydog
23-11-2012, 08:24 PM
Is that straight up about Frank ranting about Satanism and masons? :eek: Pretty explosive if it is. I personally think Frank is an inherently decent guy and a simple soul who has been exploited to hell and back.


They use to do this to the slaves, the big one's got more food for fighting, how is this not similar but with bigger rewards, the "elites" using us as toys..

Auschwitz had a boxing club, and they were uniformed priests from Vatican city, I don't see any difference just names and uniforms..

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:24 PM
She writes about people she know;'s its not imagination it's one long misery memoir and paedo porn for people who recognize themselves, she was awarded her book deal for services rendered. I wrote about it as I was actually there and I got 70 days. LOL.

But now super injunctions are as valid as Jim'll fix it badges.

So proof the universe bends in the direction of TRUTH, I am patient as I know Justice is an energy and it's pouring in to the crown chakra that is Stonehenge right now. We will manifest based on this energy as we all resonate in vibrations and it's raising to the truth vibrations, all the nonces, ponces and parasites are starting to feel the spotlight. I am here with all of YOU to witness this and much much more once we out the entire paedo blackmailed establishment and move past it all and thrive.

Justice is not revenge, it's far sweeter than that..

FREEEEEEDOMMMM!

Good man!!!

illuminumnuts
23-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Well one thing they didn't think off was this thread!!:D I bet it is doing their nut in..SO we need to keep going! We all have different strength re research and views. Call me mad but I have a gut feeling we will eventually blow this out the water! But only if we stick with it and stay strong..this is/will get worse! Yep I am scared but something keeps pushing me on! I will keep digging but really we all know the truth..just need to get the Bastards too crack!! Easy :D

We need to cut of their supply of power! Which is fear..so guys share the love! Oh ok that sounds weird..WHY we are fed death, doom and destruction everyday WHY..to keep us in fear! THINK if we said fuck too them all and we were happy HOW could they control us! :eek:

This is the current status quo with all the increasing intensity of exposures, the matrix is failing so we have to keep pushing until it finally keels over like the tired old dinosaur that it is. First post of many, and a hello to all truth seekers and we are increasing in number with every new day, this marks their entire undoing.

This is a spiritual battle. Be strong as individuals, have love and peace in your hearts, live in harmony with the cosmos, listen to your inner voices. And in that way you cannot lose!

We need to keep getting the message out there. Speak up and don't fear TPTB. If they keep trying to take away our freedoms, they know it'll end in tears (for them). One way or another, their days are numbered. The establishment as it once was is a decaying edifice which is slowly crumbling - and even the most blinkered people can see that now..

Last legs for sure. :)



You can't 'censor' the Internet. Hell the Chinese spend billions and devote countless millions in man hours and it's mostly an abject failure. Just too many work arounds, and besides really censoring the thing would mean essentially shutting it down, really bad for an economy mired in endless recession. No they'll instead use the music industry model, pick out a few examples and come down on them like a tonne of bricks, which is what we're seeing with McAlpine now.

They can do a lot of damage though. We are talking about achieving mass consciousness remember, not just consciousness of the tech savvy.

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 08:27 PM
Found this independently and I hope claydog doesn't mind me posting it: http://super-injunction.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/twitters-beware-8-months-stretch.html

Really, this underlines just how far and wide this thing reaches. It's everywhere. It's not conspiracy, it's reality. Child abuse is rife, and plenty of the offenders are women.

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 08:27 PM
He was actually punch drunk before becoming a boxer, no sorry he was not a boxer, he was a punch bag for the totally rigged boxing heavyweight game when the ring leader was still Don king.

A true world heavyweight twat

Frank Bruno is no mug.....We wear the pantomime outfits.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:28 PM
Not, not Linda.

Thanks for the follow ♥

Je comprende

Ding ding ding :D

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 08:30 PM
Agree 100 pc

I been around, but still know maybe ten pc of what is REALLY going on...

Of course, we could just be luring them into a false sense of security, knowing as we do that all our posts, emails and other online activity is monitored.

We might have a huge vault of hard evidence and be waiting for just the right time to unleash it. We might even have dirt on Max Clifford and Rupert Murdoch, never mind certain members of the royal family and current cabinet ministers...

magoo22
23-11-2012, 08:30 PM
Don't know if much has been said on this, only just stumbled across it and already a few interesting leads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenaeum_Club,_London

The Athenaeum Club, usually just referred to as the Athenaeum, is a notable London club with its Clubhouse located at 107 Pall Mall, London, England, at the corner of Waterloo Place.
It is noted for its large library, and for a bas-relief frieze decorating the club house exterior. It was long regarded as a clergymen's club and today includes Cabinet Ministers, senior civil servants, Peers of the Realm and senior bishops amongst its members.
The club's facilities include a dining room, a smoking room and a suite of bedrooms. A notable feature of the Club's clock which hangs above the stairs is that it has two figure sevens and no figure eight, the reason for which is uncertain.

Jimmy Savile was elected into membership in 1984 being put forward by Cardinal Basil Hume.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/9596850/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-causes-anguish-at-the-Athenaeum.html

The cardinal had introduced Savile to Pope John Paul II when he visited Britain in 1982. Of Savile’s election to the Athenaeum, the cardinal’s spokesman noted: “He is a great admirer of what Jimmy has done for young people – and Stoke Mandeville – and is delighted to help in this matter.”

A quick skeg of Basil Hume's Wiki

Controversies

Hume was accused in 'hushing up' a suspected sexual abuse scandal at Ampleforth College by not calling in the police when he received a complaint from parents in 1975 about Father Piers Grant-Ferris, the son of a Tory peer at Gilling Castle, formerly a prep school for Ampleforth. In 2005, Grant-Ferris admitted 20 incidents of child abuse. This was not an isolated incident and involved other monks and lay members. The Yorkshire Post reported in 2005; "Pupils at a leading Roman Catholic school suffered decades of abuse from at least six paedophiles following a decision by former Abbot Basil Hume not to call in police at the beginning of the scandal." [16]

Despite this he was awarded the Order of Merit by the Queen in 1999. He died just over two weeks later of bowel cancer in Westminster, London, at age 76.[8] After a funeral service broadcast live on national television, he was buried in Westminster Cathedral. John Paul II, in his message of condolence to the Church in England and Wales, praised Hume as a "shepherd of great spiritual and moral character".[9]

Interesting to note other paedophile members include Anthony Blunt and Winston Churchill and probably more that i'm not aware of.

This is a small selection of the notable people who have belonged to the club:

The Earl of Aberdeen
Augustus Agar, naval hero
Matthew Arnold
H.H. Asquith
Andrew Geddes Bain geologist, road engineer, palaeontologist and explorer
Owen Barfield (1898–1997) philosopher, poet, etymologist, and solicitor
J. M. Barrie
Louis Lucien Bonaparte, linguist
Virginia Bottomley, Baroness Bottomley of Nettlestone, politician and headhunter
L.J.F. Brimble, botanist and editor of Nature magazine
James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce (1838–1922), jurist, historian and politician
Sir Francis Burdett, 5th Baronet
William Burges (1827–1881), architect and designer
Lord (Alec) Broers
Oscar Browning politician, historian (1837–1923)
Thomas Campbell (poet)
Gilbert Keith Chesterton (author)
Winston Churchill
John Duke Coleridge, 1st Baron Coleridge (1820–1894)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Joseph Conrad
Lord Curzon, MP, Viceroy of India, and British Foreign Secretary
Charles Darwin
Charles Dickens
Isaac D'Israeli
T. S. Eliot poet
Michael Faraday
John Fisher, 1st Baron Fisher
Sir William Galloway (1840–1927) mining engineer, Professor of Mining at University College of Wales
Victoria Glendinning
Alec Guinness
Henry Hallam historian, Commissioner of Stamps (1826)
Thomas Hardy
Cardinal Basil Hume
Roy Jenkins Chancellor of the Exchequer and Home Secretary
Sir Reginald Fleming Johnston (1874–1938), Tutor of the Last Emperor of China
Charles Kemble
Rudyard Kipling, poet laureate
H. F. B. Lynch, traveller and businessman
Walter de la Mare (1873–1956)
Lord Robert Montagu (1825–1902)
Thomas Moore (poet)
Sir Roderick Impey Murchison (1792–1871), President of the Geological Society and the Royal Geographical Society.
George Nugent-Grenville, 2nd Baron Nugent (1789–1850)
Lord Palmerston
Harry St John Philby archaeologist and Arabist
Michael Polanyi
Vilayanur S. Ramachandran, Neurologist & neuroscientist
Cecil Rhodes
Emile Victor Rieu
Jimmy Savile[3]
Sir Walter Scott writer
Idries Shah, author on Sufism (1924–1996)
Tahir Shah, author
Richard 'Conversation' Sharp, critic, merchant and politician
Herbert Spencer (1820–1903)
Walter Starkie
James Joseph Sylvester, Mathematician
Sir Jethro Teall, geologist and petrologist
William Makepeace Thackeray author
Arnold J. Toynbee historian
Professor Rick Trainor, Principal of King's College London
Anthony Trollope, author
J.M.W. Turner, painter
Anthony Blunt
Sir Barnes Wallis, engineer (1887–1979)
Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (1769–1852)
W. B. Yeats poet
Eric Millar, historian of illuminated manuscripts[4]
Alexander Burnes, explorer in the Great Game

A lead worth following? :)

claydog
23-11-2012, 08:32 PM
Frank Bruno is no mug.....We wear the pantomime outfits.


Bruno was a big bloke who was totally exploited who obviously had mental health issues from day one but was still rinsed until he could not be rinsed any more, then he had his famous metldown, they build them up then drop them. He was a prize mug to them.

He is a victim to me

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 08:34 PM
Last legs for sure. :)





They can do a lot of damage though. We are talking about achieving mass consciousness remember, not just consciousness of the tech savvy.

Agree, it is so simple but so many find it hard! WHY..so many of us see it, but we have to compete with eastenders, coronation street and every other reality tv programme!!?? I just keep sending Love out into the atmosphere hoping we will all see the light!:D

claydog
23-11-2012, 08:35 PM
Found this independently and I hope claydog doesn't mind me posting it: http://super-injunction.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/twitters-beware-8-months-stretch.html

Really, this underlines just how far and wide this thing reaches. It's everywhere. It's not conspiracy, it's reality. Child abuse is rife, and plenty of the offenders are women.



It's a huge franchise and industry for carrion crows in black robes, and they fuck over civil liberties with coinage.. It's about as vile as it gets, pedophile protection racket masquerading as law.

My injunction is incriminating but not for me, and the tide is literally turning, all the paperwork that don't get destroyed will be used against them all.

lux_mundi
23-11-2012, 08:37 PM
This has probably been posted before... but, if you are just joining us......


We now have a complete summary of how you get from Jimmy Savile to Lord McAlpine, please do make sure you read the Scallywag section and that which follows especially.

This is all compiled from news articles that have come out since the scandal broke, and those that were already out there.

Rochdale child abuse scandal (2007-2012)

- 9 Asian men were jailed for grooming young white girls for sex over 5 years
- Children and their parents went repeatedly to police and social services for help but were ignored
- Victims were said to be 'making their own choices', some were as young as 12
- A report in Rotherham found agencies there were aware of similar abuse but did nothing, and no one was prosecuted


Wow! That's a brilliant summary.:D

In the news this week -

Rochdale child sex abuse still happening: Health worker

Sara Rowbotham, from the Rochdale Crisis Intervention Team, is tasked with identifying young people vulnerable to child sex exploitation.

She told an inquiry that agencies had treated the victims "appallingly".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20220556

Children's Commissioner's report on Gangs and Group Sexual Exploitation dismissed as "hysterical" and "half baked" by MPs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/21/children-commissioner-defends-sex-abuse-report

This is still going on - it is not about "historical" abuse.

blister
23-11-2012, 08:38 PM
Whilst I partly agree with the above

It is my belief that the Internet was GIVEN to us

Just like tee vee was

Double edged sword for them

We get a certain amount of free speech

But only a small percentage use it!!!

The rest are surfing porn and stealing music and whatever, gambling

Tptb know the real power is tee vee

They gave us the net for CONTROL

TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AS PER 1984

So they combat the likes of us on the DIF

A rare breed

With gazillions hooked on soaps

Sport

X factor etc etc

See?

They have it planned to a tee

We are in what I call Internet I

Internet II will be forced upon us

After a war perhaps

Or a plague

Or currency collapses

It will be a problem reaction solution scenario

I've researched this extensively and the net as we know it can be shut down within hours

Do you not think they have contingency plans?

Internet II will be draconian

You will be charged credits to use it

It will be linked to the skin chip

There will be no more personal web sites

Everything will need approval

Etc etc

These are THEIR plans

Whether it succeeds or not, we will see

Going by history, IMHO their chances of pulling it off are near to 100 per cent

Unless the masses wake up

I see no signs of that so far...:(

I believe that is a good description of their plans. I am afraid they do have a good chance of pulling it off too. If I let myself think about all this too much it starts to seem hopeless. It's like what is the point? They've won already.

But then I think how hopeless Icke must have felt when Wogan started the mocking mob and look where he is now. I guess he just kept putting one foot in front of the other.

I wonder how many still mock him now?

And that's all we all can do I guess. Just keep putting one foot in foot of the other. Now we have a lot more feet.

Thank you Icke, Anders and all involved for keeping the march going.

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 08:39 PM
I think claydog is having to step carefully. But he didn't give you those initials, you worked it out yourself, as did I ;)

So funny, but I just looked up pics, and I actually meant MC, not laplante! Sorry Linda!! Freudian slip I s'pose! That MC is a right ol' dog's dinner. Never liked her, never.
xx

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 08:39 PM
Play it and play it loud.....This gives me a lift. :D

Rudimental Feat. John Newman - Feel The Love Lyrics - YouTube


Nonces......We are going to out you all....And when the whole world hears the truth, you will be abused too......

dopey
23-11-2012, 08:40 PM
Full Metal Jacket: Another look by Kubrick at humans being dehumanised then transformed, this time with the horrors of the Vietnam War providing the backdrop as a group of US Marines go through basic training and then into combat.  Once again the aware observer can pick out Kubrick’s use of human transmutation as an underlying theme being used to explain what is happening to the hapless marine recruits – a metaphor maybe for humanity’s own planned transformation.




A Rothschild (Andrew) started his career as an art director on that movie. The most charismatic person I've ever met.

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 08:42 PM
Bruno was a big bloke who was totally exploited who obviously had mental health issue from day one but was still rinsed until he could not be rinsed any more, then he had his famous metldown, they build them up them drop them. He was a prize mug to them.

He is s victim to me

Agree..he got way over his league AND found this out! Hence the melt down..this guy is just a pasty..think LHO!! Yep goes that far back and the rest! We could push but then do we become abusers..this guy has been fucked by our great and good already! We know who are the big fish, leave this minnow alone or we could push him too far! Then this whole thread could be fucked!!! Follow my meaning ???;)

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:48 PM
[QUOTE=anders7777;1061154932]Whilst I partly agree with the above

It is my belief that the Internet was GIVEN to us

Just like tee vee was

Double edged sword for them

We get a certain amount of free speech

But only a small percentage use it!!!

The rest are surfing porn and stealing music and whatever, gambling

Tptb know the real power is tee vee

They gave us the net for CONTROL

TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AS PER 1984

So they combat the likes of us on the DIF

A rare breed

With gazillions hooked on soaps

Sport

X factor etc etc

See?

They have it planned to a tee

We are in what I call Internet I

Internet II will be forced upon us

After a war perhaps

Or a plague

Or currency collapses

It will be a problem reaction solution scenario

I've researched this extensively and the net as we know it can be shut down within hours

Do you not think they have contingency plans?

Internet II will be draconian

You will be charged credits to use it

It will be linked to the skin chip

There will be no more personal web sites

Everything will need approval

Etc etc

These are THEIR plans

Whether it succeeds or not, we will see

Going by history, IMHO their chances of pulling it off are near to 100 per cent

Unless the masses wake up

I see no signs of that do far...:([/QUOTE

FFS you are on a downer tonight...sorry to put this on your shoulders BUT your posts brought me too this thread and many more SO please I totally understand how major this is and how hard it will be to topple them BUT we need to keep fighting OR we just sit back and let them do what they want..trust me I have thought over the past couple of days that might be an option! :(

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Sorry

Because I haven't been too active the last while, I can sort of think a bit from time to time, and tbh I am rambling a bit. I think I'm correct, kinda follow the Alan Watt research - but I'm in it for the long haul, and hoping for a pair of black swans... Or three :D

http://www.davidkphotography.com/images/20070516152411_flying-black-swans-blog.jpg


Black swan theory

A black swan, a member of the species Cygnus atratus
The black swan theory or theory of black swan events is a metaphor that describes an event that is a surprise (to the observer), has a major effect, and after the fact is often inappropriately rationalized with the benefit of hindsight.

The theory was developed by Nassim Nicholas Taleb to explain:

The disproportionate role of high-profile, hard-to-predict, and rare events that are beyond the realm of normal expectations in history, science, finance, and technology
The non-computability of the probability of the consequential rare events using scientific methods (owing to the very nature of small probabilities)
The psychological biases that make people individually and collectively blind to uncertainty and unaware of the massive role of the rare event in historical affairs
Unlike the earlier philosophical "black swan problem," the "black swan theory" refers only to unexpected events of large magnitude and consequence and their dominant role in history. Such events, considered extreme outliers, collectively play vastly larger roles than regular occurrences.[1]

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Black swan
Black swan events were introduced by Nassim Nicholas Taleb in his 2004 book Fooled By Randomness, which concerned financial events. His 2007 book (revised and completed in 2010) The Black Swan extended the metaphor to events outside of financial markets. Taleb regards almost all major scientific discoveries, historical events, and artistic accomplishments as "black swans"—undirected and unpredicted. He gives the rise of the Internet, the personal computer, World War I, and the September 11 attacks as examples of black swan events.[2]

The phrase "black swan" derives from a Latin expression; its oldest known occurrence is the poet Juvenal's characterization of something being "rara avis in terris nigroque simillima cygno" ("a rare bird in the lands, very much like a black swan") (6.165).[3] In English, when the phrase was coined, the black swan was presumed not to exist. The importance of the simile lies in its analogy to the fragility of any system of thought. A set of conclusions is potentially undone once any of its fundamental postulates is disproved. In this case, the observation of a single black swan would be the undoing of the phrase's underlying logic, as well as any reasoning that followed from that underlying logic.

Juvenal's phrase was a common expression in 16th century London as a statement of impossibility. The London expression derives from the Old World presumption that all swans must be white because all historical records of swans reported that they had white feathers.[4] In that context, a black swan was impossible or at least nonexistent. After Dutch explorer Willem de Vlamingh discovered black swans in Western Australia in 1697,[5] the term metamorphosed to connote that a perceived impossibility might later be disproven. Taleb notes that in the 19th century John Stuart Mill used the black swan logical fallacy as a new term to identify falsification.[citation needed]

Specifically, Taleb asserts[6] in the New York Times:

"What we call here a Black Swan (and capitalize it) is an event with the following three attributes. First, it is an outlier, as it lies outside the realm of regular expectations, because nothing in the past can convincingly point to its possibility. Second, it carries an extreme 'impact'. Third, in spite of its outlier status, human nature makes us concoct explanations for its occurrence after the fact, making it explainable and predictable."

"I stop and summarize the triplet: rarity, extreme 'impact', and retrospective (though not prospective) predictability. A small number of Black Swans explains almost everything in our world, from the success of ideas and religions, to the dynamics of historical events, to elements of our own personal lives."

Close this section
HideIdentifying a black swan event

Based on the author's criteria:

The event is a surprise (to the observer).
The event has a major effect.
After the first recorded instance of the event, it is rationalized by hindsight, as if it could have been expected; that is, the relevant data were available but unaccounted for in risk mitigation programs. The same is true for the personal perception by individuals.
An example Taleb uses to explain his theory is the events of September 11, 2001. 9/11 was a shock to all common observers. Its ramifications continue to be felt in many ways: increased levels of government control; "preventive" strikes or wars by Western governments. The coordinated, successful attack on the World Trade Center and The Pentagon using commercial airliners was virtually unthinkable at the time. However, with the benefit of hindsight, it has come to be seen as a predictable incident in the context of the changes in terrorist tactics.

Close this section
HideCoping with black swan events

The main idea in Taleb's book is not to attempt to predict black swan events, but to build robustness against negative ones that occur and be able to exploit positive ones. Taleb contends that banks and trading firms are very vulnerable to hazardous black swan events and are exposed to losses beyond those predicted by their defective models. On the subject of business in particular, Taleb is highly critical of the widespread use of the normal distribution model as the basis for calculating risk.

In the second edition of The Black Swan, Taleb provides "Ten Principles for a Black-Swan-Robust Society".[7]

Taleb states that a black swan event depends on the observer. For example, what may be a black swan surprise for a turkey is not a black swan surprise to its butcher; hence the objective should be to "avoid being the turkey" by identifying areas of vulnerability in order to "turn the Black Swans white".[8]

Close this section
HideEpistemological approach

Taleb's black swan is different from the earlier philosophical versions of the problem, specifically in epistemology, as it concerns a phenomenon with specific empirical and statistical properties which he calls, "the fourth quadrant".[9]

Taleb's problem is about epistemic limitations in some parts of the areas covered in decision making. These limitations are twofold: philosophical (mathematical) and empirical (human known epistemic biases). The philosophical problem is about the decrease in knowledge when it comes to rare events as these are not visible in past samples and therefore require a strong a priori, or what one can call an extrapolating theory; accordingly predictions of events depend more and more on theories when their probability is small. In the fourth quadrant, knowledge is both uncertain and consequences are large, requiring more robustness.[citation needed]

According to Taleb,[10] thinkers who came before him who dealt with the notion of the improbable, such as Hume, Mill, and Popper focused on the problem of induction in logic, specifically, that of drawing general conclusions from specific observations. The central and unique attribute of Taleb's black swan event is high profile. His claim is that almost all consequential events in history come from the unexpected — yet humans later convince themselves that these events are explainable in hindsight.

One problem, labeled the ludic fallacy by Taleb, is the belief that the unstructured randomness found in life resembles the structured randomness found in games. This stems from the assumption that the unexpected may be predicted by extrapolating from variations in statistics based on past observations, especially when these statistics are presumed to represent samples from a normal distribution. These concerns often are highly relevant in financial markets, where major players use value at risk models, which imply normal distributions, although market returns typically have fat tail distributions.[citation needed]

Taleb: "I don't particularly care about the usual. If you want to get an idea of a friend's temperament, ethics, and personal elegance, you need to look at him under the tests of severe circumstances, not under the regular rosy glow of daily life. Can you assess the danger a criminal poses by examining only what he does on an ordinary day? Can we understand health without considering wild diseases and epidemics? Indeed the normal is often irrelevant. Almost everything in social life is produced by rare but consequential shocks and jumps; all the while almost everything studied about social life focuses on the "normal," particularly with "bell curve" methods of inference that tell you close to nothing. Why? Because the bell curve ignores large deviations, cannot handle them, yet makes us confident that we have tamed uncertainty. Its nickname in this book is GIF, Great Intellectual Fraud."

More generally, decision theory, based on a fixed universe or a model of possible outcomes, ignores and minimizes the effect of events that are "outside model". For instance, a simple model of daily stock market returns may include extreme moves such as Black Monday (1987), but might not model the breakdown of markets following the 9/11 attacks. A fixed model considers the "known unknowns", but ignores the "unknown unknowns".[citation needed]

Taleb notes that other distributions are not usable with precision, but often are more descriptive, such as the fractal, power law, or scalable distributions and that awareness of these might help to temper expectations.[11]

Beyond this, he emphasizes that many events simply are without precedent, undercutting the basis of this type of reasoning altogether.

Taleb also argues for the use of counterfactual reasoning when considering risk.[12][page needed][13]

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wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 08:48 PM
I believe that is a good description of their plans. I am afraid they do have a good chance of pulling it off too. If I let myself think about all this too much it starts to seem hopeless. It's like what is the point? They've won already.

But then I think how hopeless Icke must have felt when Wogan started the mocking mob and look where he is now. I guess he just kept putting one foot in front of the other.

I wonder how many still mock him now?

And that's all we all can do I guess. Just keep putting one foot in foot of the other. Now we have a lot more feet.

Thank you Icke, Anders and all involved for keeping the march going.

+1 Love your post..agree 100%..plodding along are we and the rest:D!

noncooperation
23-11-2012, 08:50 PM
One thing these high level paedos have got is legal protection. But they're flesh and blood and probably haven't thought about the possibility that one day someone might start hunting them down. Not to prosecute them but the put a bullet in their head. Imagine the panic if dead nonces started turning up all over the place.
Being 'open 'minded', I have often wondered why more people just don't 'end up dead' for reasons similar to this?

Maybe it's true, that humans are basically good?!

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:51 PM
when you reach rock bottom there is no lower to get, i reached that some time ago and am on my way back up, i do not fear them and they will never silence me, prison is no joke and i only got 70 days but this is not 2009, i trust what the energy we resonate in says and not tv, and this tells me we are approaching a climate of truth, i don't fear pedophiles who use blackmail to cover their crimes, they are on the way out and i am here to make sure my foot hits the last one on the arse out the door.

The mass awakening is now manifest beyond words, it's bringing down the media and tv and the entire establishment, they want us to fear them as they are actually in utter retreat this is when we help them on their way not hide. This is our collective future we are co-creating and this does not support their kind so lets fuck em off out of it for good.

bravo!

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 08:53 PM
It's a huge franchise and industry for carrion crows in black robes, and they fuck over civil liberties with coinage.. It's about as vile as it gets, pedophile protection racket masquerading as law.

My injunction is incriminating but not for me, and the tide is literally turning, all the paperwork that don't get destroyed will be used against them all.

The day will come when there's justice. Even if that justice is achieved by a massive rampaging mob literally tearing the house of commons down brick by brick. Hopefully it'll never come to that and TPTB will realise the number is up and it's time to stop fucking over the people of this country.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 08:55 PM
When you reach rock bottom there is no lower to get, I reached that some time ago and am on my way back up, I do not fear them and they will never silence me, prison is no joke and I only got 70 days but this is not 2009, I trust what the energy we resonate in says and not TV, and this tells me we are approaching a climate of truth, I don't fear pedophiles who use blackmail to cover their crimes, they are on the way out and I am here to make sure my foot hits the last one on the arse out the door.

The mass awakening is now manifest beyond words, it's bringing down the media and TV and the entire establishment, they want us to fear them as they are actually in utter retreat this is when we help them on their way not hide. This is our collective future we are co-creating and this does not support their kind so lets fuck em off out of it for good.

Bloody well right!

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 08:55 PM
Bruno was a big bloke who was totally exploited who obviously had mental health issues from day one but was still rinsed until he could not be rinsed any more, then he had his famous metldown, they build them up then drop them. He was a prize mug to them.

He is a victim to me

In their world there are no victims. To you he is a victim, to me he is too....But he is a key. He could unlock a few secrets. I dont care for his down and out sad looks if he is shadowing. If he knows something, and I believe he does.....He needs leaning on before he throws in the towel and runs into the corner........He knows the bell wont ring for him anymore.

dopey
23-11-2012, 08:55 PM
Being 'open 'minded', I have often wondered why more people just don't 'end up dead' for reasons similar to this?

Maybe it's true, that humans are basically good?!


I don't think we've ever had a serial killer targeting paedo's have we...pity.

claydog
23-11-2012, 08:57 PM
Agree..he got way over his league AND found this out! Hence the melt down..this guy is just a pasty..think LHO!! Yep goes that far back and the rest! We could push but then do we become abusers..this guy has been fucked by our great and good already! We know who are the big fish, leave this minnow alone or we could push him too far! Then this whole thread could be fucked!!! Follow my meaning ???;)


Bruno is a victim and I think he warrants total empathy, the truth is there is a cult of celebrity and this is vile and malignant and we are waking up to the true extensive horrors of the current ruling "elite" of blue blooded psychopathy, there are no conspiracies and the one's who do all this insanity created the word to cover their tracks and they are masters of disinfo and they write his-story, we are unraveling the whole pantomime of lies at an ever increasing rate, many still are asleep but the global consciousness is increasing in an ever increasing influx of postivity, 3 months ago Jimmy Savile was a patron of the arts and now he is Jack the Ripper, this is heading in the direction of truth and the only one's who have anything to fear are the monsters inc of occultism.


When you wake up and recognize you feel low because a parasite is sucking all the goodness out of you, you can then reach over and crush the fucking thing, TV wont mention the mass awakening or planetary butterfly effect because that's like a psychopath shouting out at the top of their voice "I AM GUILTY" they are clinging on for breathe right now and we are waking up from our collective nightmare.

NWO is not coming, its always been here and has been losing it's grip and now we have reached a point where it fully makes itself known, not due to power but due to weakness, the hypnosis is failing of a dying parasite. this parasite is the entire paedo addled blackmailed establishment and they are ALL complicit for crimes against humanity and nature.

The NWO is not coming it's fucking going..

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 08:58 PM
Being 'open 'minded', I have often wondered why more people just don't 'end up dead' for reasons similar to this?

Maybe it's true, that humans are basically good?!

No, I think it's that the establishment do such a good job of covering up the high level paedophiles and convincing the masses that all this talk of parliamentary rings is the kind of nonsense those loonies on the David Icke forums would babble on about. At the same time, they do a fairly reasonable job of cracking down on the low level nonces, like that one who got put away today for raping an 8 year old girl and also abusing her 6 year old sister.

It's odd how there's the extreme paranoia aimed at normal people, such as parents who want to video their kids in a nativity play. And all the while, judges, politicians, bankers, police officers etc are inflicting horrific abuse on children with impunity.

lux_mundi
23-11-2012, 08:59 PM
We will never have an honest debate on paedophillia, deviant sexuality has become too normalised, and no I'm not referring to homosexuality, for us to really discuss the subject honestly. Our culture is drenched in sexual imagery, little kids can access the Internet on their mobiles and immediately view the most depraved hard core porn imaginable. Sorry to come over like Mary Whitehouse but unless we start protecting children from predatory adults wishing to indoctrinate them into deviancy, the vast majority of said adults society views with approval, then we will continue the slide down to the monstrous outcome of child rape becoming just another lifestyle choice.

I was thinking precisely the same thing tonight. This is so important - for our children's sake we have to stop them making paedophilia 'normal', a 'sexual orientation' or an 'illness'. It is none of those things. I'm old enough to have seen many sexual taboos eroded and become normalised - e.g watching porn, anal sex. They do it through saturation of the media and redefining it through the use of language (amongst other techniques). Then legislation will follow suit.

So one thing we can do to help is to keep referring to paedophiles as PERVERTS and CHILD RAPISTS. Keep saying how it is NOT normal.

I've said on here that I was abused as a child - and it's not for sympathy or anything like that - it's because those of us who have been through it must expose how damaging and harmful it was for us and is for those poor children who are going through it right now. We must NOT let the PERVERTS win.

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 09:00 PM
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Sorry

Because I haven't been too active the last while, I can sort of think a bit from time to time, and tbh I am rambling a bit. I think I'm correct, kinda follow the Alan Watt research - but I'm in it for the long haul, and hoping for a pair of black swans... Or three :D

http://www.davidkphotography.com/images/20070516152411_flying-black-swans-blog.jpg


Black swan theory

A black swan, a member of the species Cygnus atratus
The black swan theory or theory of black swan events is a metaphor that describes an event that is a surprise (to the observer), has a major effect, and after the fact is often inappropriately rationalized with the benefit of hindsight.

The theory was developed by Nassim Nicholas Taleb to explain:

The disproportionate role of high-profile, hard-to-predict, and rare events that are beyond the realm of normal expectations in history, science, finance, and technology
The non-computability of the probability of the consequential rare events using scientific methods (owing to the very nature of small probabilities)
The psychological biases that make people individually and collectively blind to uncertainty and unaware of the massive role of the rare event in historical affairs
Unlike the earlier philosophical "black swan problem," the "black swan theory" refers only to unexpected events of large magnitude and consequence and their dominant role in history. Such events, considered extreme outliers, collectively play vastly larger roles than regular occurrences.[1]

HideBackground


Black swan
Black swan events were introduced by Nassim Nicholas Taleb in his 2004 book Fooled By Randomness, which concerned financial events. His 2007 book (revised and completed in 2010) The Black Swan extended the metaphor to events outside of financial markets. Taleb regards almost all major scientific discoveries, historical events, and artistic accomplishments as "black swans"—undirected and unpredicted. He gives the rise of the Internet, the personal computer, World War I, and the September 11 attacks as examples of black swan events.[2]

The phrase "black swan" derives from a Latin expression; its oldest known occurrence is the poet Juvenal's characterization of something being "rara avis in terris nigroque simillima cygno" ("a rare bird in the lands, very much like a black swan") (6.165).[3] In English, when the phrase was coined, the black swan was presumed not to exist. The importance of the simile lies in its analogy to the fragility of any system of thought. A set of conclusions is potentially undone once any of its fundamental postulates is disproved. In this case, the observation of a single black swan would be the undoing of the phrase's underlying logic, as well as any reasoning that followed from that underlying logic.

Juvenal's phrase was a common expression in 16th century London as a statement of impossibility. The London expression derives from the Old World presumption that all swans must be white because all historical records of swans reported that they had white feathers.[4] In that context, a black swan was impossible or at least nonexistent. After Dutch explorer Willem de Vlamingh discovered black swans in Western Australia in 1697,[5] the term metamorphosed to connote that a perceived impossibility might later be disproven. Taleb notes that in the 19th century John Stuart Mill used the black swan logical fallacy as a new term to identify falsification.[citation needed]

Specifically, Taleb asserts[6] in the New York Times:

"What we call here a Black Swan (and capitalize it) is an event with the following three attributes. First, it is an outlier, as it lies outside the realm of regular expectations, because nothing in the past can convincingly point to its possibility. Second, it carries an extreme 'impact'. Third, in spite of its outlier status, human nature makes us concoct explanations for its occurrence after the fact, making it explainable and predictable."

"I stop and summarize the triplet: rarity, extreme 'impact', and retrospective (though not prospective) predictability. A small number of Black Swans explains almost everything in our world, from the success of ideas and religions, to the dynamics of historical events, to elements of our own personal lives."

Close this section
HideIdentifying a black swan event

Based on the author's criteria:

The event is a surprise (to the observer).
The event has a major effect.
After the first recorded instance of the event, it is rationalized by hindsight, as if it could have been expected; that is, the relevant data were available but unaccounted for in risk mitigation programs. The same is true for the personal perception by individuals.
An example Taleb uses to explain his theory is the events of September 11, 2001. 9/11 was a shock to all common observers. Its ramifications continue to be felt in many ways: increased levels of government control; "preventive" strikes or wars by Western governments. The coordinated, successful attack on the World Trade Center and The Pentagon using commercial airliners was virtually unthinkable at the time. However, with the benefit of hindsight, it has come to be seen as a predictable incident in the context of the changes in terrorist tactics.

Close this section
HideCoping with black swan events

The main idea in Taleb's book is not to attempt to predict black swan events, but to build robustness against negative ones that occur and be able to exploit positive ones. Taleb contends that banks and trading firms are very vulnerable to hazardous black swan events and are exposed to losses beyond those predicted by their defective models. On the subject of business in particular, Taleb is highly critical of the widespread use of the normal distribution model as the basis for calculating risk.

In the second edition of The Black Swan, Taleb provides "Ten Principles for a Black-Swan-Robust Society".[7]

Taleb states that a black swan event depends on the observer. For example, what may be a black swan surprise for a turkey is not a black swan surprise to its butcher; hence the objective should be to "avoid being the turkey" by identifying areas of vulnerability in order to "turn the Black Swans white".[8]

Close this section
HideEpistemological approach

Taleb's black swan is different from the earlier philosophical versions of the problem, specifically in epistemology, as it concerns a phenomenon with specific empirical and statistical properties which he calls, "the fourth quadrant".[9]

Taleb's problem is about epistemic limitations in some parts of the areas covered in decision making. These limitations are twofold: philosophical (mathematical) and empirical (human known epistemic biases). The philosophical problem is about the decrease in knowledge when it comes to rare events as these are not visible in past samples and therefore require a strong a priori, or what one can call an extrapolating theory; accordingly predictions of events depend more and more on theories when their probability is small. In the fourth quadrant, knowledge is both uncertain and consequences are large, requiring more robustness.[citation needed]

According to Taleb,[10] thinkers who came before him who dealt with the notion of the improbable, such as Hume, Mill, and Popper focused on the problem of induction in logic, specifically, that of drawing general conclusions from specific observations. The central and unique attribute of Taleb's black swan event is high profile. His claim is that almost all consequential events in history come from the unexpected — yet humans later convince themselves that these events are explainable in hindsight.

One problem, labeled the ludic fallacy by Taleb, is the belief that the unstructured randomness found in life resembles the structured randomness found in games. This stems from the assumption that the unexpected may be predicted by extrapolating from variations in statistics based on past observations, especially when these statistics are presumed to represent samples from a normal distribution. These concerns often are highly relevant in financial markets, where major players use value at risk models, which imply normal distributions, although market returns typically have fat tail distributions.[citation needed]

Taleb: "I don't particularly care about the usual. If you want to get an idea of a friend's temperament, ethics, and personal elegance, you need to look at him under the tests of severe circumstances, not under the regular rosy glow of daily life. Can you assess the danger a criminal poses by examining only what he does on an ordinary day? Can we understand health without considering wild diseases and epidemics? Indeed the normal is often irrelevant. Almost everything in social life is produced by rare but consequential shocks and jumps; all the while almost everything studied about social life focuses on the "normal," particularly with "bell curve" methods of inference that tell you close to nothing. Why? Because the bell curve ignores large deviations, cannot handle them, yet makes us confident that we have tamed uncertainty. Its nickname in this book is GIF, Great Intellectual Fraud."

More generally, decision theory, based on a fixed universe or a model of possible outcomes, ignores and minimizes the effect of events that are "outside model". For instance, a simple model of daily stock market returns may include extreme moves such as Black Monday (1987), but might not model the breakdown of markets following the 9/11 attacks. A fixed model considers the "known unknowns", but ignores the "unknown unknowns".[citation needed]

Taleb notes that other distributions are not usable with precision, but often are more descriptive, such as the fractal, power law, or scalable distributions and that awareness of these might help to temper expectations.[11]

Beyond this, he emphasizes that many events simply are without precedent, undercutting the basis of this type of reasoning altogether.

Taleb also argues for the use of counterfactual reasoning when considering risk.[12][page needed][13]

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Loved your post but found this one line appropriate
"Beyond this, he emphasizes that many events simply are without precedent, undercutting the basis of this type of reasoning altogether."

love and Light my friend :D

concernedmom
23-11-2012, 09:00 PM
Google images of the crime writer look quite scary and imposing. Some of the links off them are :eek: too!

edelweiss pirate
23-11-2012, 09:02 PM
NWO is not coming, its always been here.

I agree with that, but when it's here and it tells us 'we're here and there's nothing you can do about it' that's when human freedom is fucked.

It has had a resurgence at various points in history, mostly it keeps its head down and just quietly fiddles things in the background, but when it's agents step out from the shadows and announce themselves......just start praying that they creep back again because the next step is death squads and concentration camps.

It could happen.....there's a lot riding on a knife edge right now.

The masons are at the heart of it. We need people to start knocking on their doors.


They have been mentioned in the press recently.... then the Mcalpine thing kicked off and took the heat of the masons.

Handy.

phantom
23-11-2012, 09:02 PM
We could do with the help of Anonymous in our pursuit to expose these paedophile rings.

Surely it would be easy for them to search the computers of homes that have been named here, as well as all other child care homes throughout the country. Search the home computers of those who run such homes. Search through the local police computers that were linked to homes we already know about. Search home computers of celebrities and politicians who have been named as well as others and then just dump any and all incriminating evidence online.

Everything!

Come on Anonymous. Help quell the theory that you are actually a CIA creation. :cool:

welshwitch
23-11-2012, 09:03 PM
Don't know if much has been said on this, only just stumbled across it and already a few interesting leads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenaeum_Club,_London

The Athenaeum Club, usually just referred to as the Athenaeum, is a notable London club with its Clubhouse located at 107 Pall Mall, London, England, at the corner of Waterloo Place.
It is noted for its large library, and for a bas-relief frieze decorating the club house exterior. It was long regarded as a clergymen's club and today includes Cabinet Ministers, senior civil servants, Peers of the Realm and senior bishops amongst its members.
The club's facilities include a dining room, a smoking room and a suite of bedrooms. A notable feature of the Club's clock which hangs above the stairs is that it has two figure sevens and no figure eight, the reason for which is uncertain.

Jimmy Savile was elected into membership in 1984 being put forward by Cardinal Basil Hume.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/9596850/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-causes-anguish-at-the-Athenaeum.html

The cardinal had introduced Savile to Pope John Paul II when he visited Britain in 1982. Of Savile’s election to the Athenaeum, the cardinal’s spokesman noted: “He is a great admirer of what Jimmy has done for young people – and Stoke Mandeville – and is delighted to help in this matter.”

A quick skeg of Basil Hume's Wiki

Controversies

Hume was accused in 'hushing up' a suspected sexual abuse scandal at Ampleforth College by not calling in the police when he received a complaint from parents in 1975 about Father Piers Grant-Ferris, the son of a Tory peer at Gilling Castle, formerly a prep school for Ampleforth. In 2005, Grant-Ferris admitted 20 incidents of child abuse. This was not an isolated incident and involved other monks and lay members. The Yorkshire Post reported in 2005; "Pupils at a leading Roman Catholic school suffered decades of abuse from at least six paedophiles following a decision by former Abbot Basil Hume not to call in police at the beginning of the scandal." [16]

Despite this he was awarded the Order of Merit by the Queen in 1999. He died just over two weeks later of bowel cancer in Westminster, London, at age 76.[8] After a funeral service broadcast live on national television, he was buried in Westminster Cathedral. John Paul II, in his message of condolence to the Church in England and Wales, praised Hume as a "shepherd of great spiritual and moral character".[9]

Interesting to note other paedophile members include Anthony Blunt and Winston Churchill and probably more that i'm not aware of.

This is a small selection of the notable people who have belonged to the club:

The Earl of Aberdeen
Augustus Agar, naval hero
Matthew Arnold
H.H. Asquith
Andrew Geddes Bain geologist, road engineer, palaeontologist and explorer
Owen Barfield (1898–1997) philosopher, poet, etymologist, and solicitor
J. M. Barrie
Louis Lucien Bonaparte, linguist
Virginia Bottomley, Baroness Bottomley of Nettlestone, politician and headhunter
L.J.F. Brimble, botanist and editor of Nature magazine
James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce (1838–1922), jurist, historian and politician
Sir Francis Burdett, 5th Baronet
William Burges (1827–1881), architect and designer
Lord (Alec) Broers
Oscar Browning politician, historian (1837–1923)
Thomas Campbell (poet)
Gilbert Keith Chesterton (author)
Winston Churchill
John Duke Coleridge, 1st Baron Coleridge (1820–1894)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Joseph Conrad
Lord Curzon, MP, Viceroy of India, and British Foreign Secretary
Charles Darwin
Charles Dickens
Isaac D'Israeli
T. S. Eliot poet
Michael Faraday
John Fisher, 1st Baron Fisher
Sir William Galloway (1840–1927) mining engineer, Professor of Mining at University College of Wales
Victoria Glendinning
Alec Guinness
Henry Hallam historian, Commissioner of Stamps (1826)
Thomas Hardy
Cardinal Basil Hume
Roy Jenkins Chancellor of the Exchequer and Home Secretary
Sir Reginald Fleming Johnston (1874–1938), Tutor of the Last Emperor of China
Charles Kemble
Rudyard Kipling, poet laureate
H. F. B. Lynch, traveller and businessman
Walter de la Mare (1873–1956)
Lord Robert Montagu (1825–1902)
Thomas Moore (poet)
Sir Roderick Impey Murchison (1792–1871), President of the Geological Society and the Royal Geographical Society.
George Nugent-Grenville, 2nd Baron Nugent (1789–1850)
Lord Palmerston
Harry St John Philby archaeologist and Arabist
Michael Polanyi
Vilayanur S. Ramachandran, Neurologist & neuroscientist
Cecil Rhodes
Emile Victor Rieu
Jimmy Savile[3]
Sir Walter Scott writer
Idries Shah, author on Sufism (1924–1996)
Tahir Shah, author
Richard 'Conversation' Sharp, critic, merchant and politician
Herbert Spencer (1820–1903)
Walter Starkie
James Joseph Sylvester, Mathematician
Sir Jethro Teall, geologist and petrologist
William Makepeace Thackeray author
Arnold J. Toynbee historian
Professor Rick Trainor, Principal of King's College London
Anthony Trollope, author
J.M.W. Turner, painter
Anthony Blunt
Sir Barnes Wallis, engineer (1887–1979)
Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (1769–1852)
W. B. Yeats poet
Eric Millar, historian of illuminated manuscripts[4]
Alexander Burnes, explorer in the Great Game

A lead worth following? :)
Athaeneum Club is affiliates to this delightful(?) enterprise which is right Royally supported. This club is International - lots of links worldwide - Australia, Italy (who does that remind me of) etc etc.

Check out the website

http://www.eccentricclub.co.uk/


Welcome to the Eccentric Club (UK), formerly known in its various incarnations as The Illustrious Society of Eccentrics, The Everlasting Society of Eccentrics, The Eccentric Society Club and, finally, The Eccentric Club.

For more than two centuries the Eccentric Club was one of the most important institutions of British society. Its name is a long established and reputable brand, its members were amongst those who helped to shape British culture into what it is today, and its history is inseparable from that of Great Britain itself...

Founded a number of times by seemingly unrelated and socially different groups of people, for centuries it served as a meeting point for many great and original minds, pioneers of thought in artistic, literary, theatrical, scientific, legal and political circles, providing an amicable environment for their recreational and creative pastime as well as a testing ground for novel and controversial theories and approaches to the issues equally important to British society and all of the mankind.

The present club has been revived by a group of enthusiasts, members of the old club and a few other London clubs, in 2007 (the old club has closed in 1984), and was officially re-launched on the 29th of August 2008.

The organisers were congratulated on their endeavours by HRH Prince Charles of Wales, Their Royal Highnesses Princes William and Harry of Wales, HRH Prince Michael of Kent, Lord Montagu, Lord Bath, Count Nikolai Tolstoy-Miloslavsky, Mayor of London Boris Johnson, actor David Prowse, performer Elton John, writer Peter Underwood, writer Nicholas John Storey of The Retrocentric Club.

Following the re-launch, the Club Secretary had private meetings with HRH Prince Michael of Kent at Kensington Palace who expressed his interest and support for the new club, and with Lord Montagu of Beaulieu (the last President of The Eccentric Club in Ryder Street) who has entrusted to the new club's Committee his archive of documents related to the old club, thus symbolically establishing the link between the two organisations.

HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, and HRH Prince Charles for many years were the Club’s Life Honorary Members. On the 25th of November 2008 HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, has decided to grant his Patronage to the Club.

In May 2009 the Eccentric Club has managed to secure itself an informal agreement with the Arts Club of 40 Dover Street, Mayfair, allowing the Eccentric Club members to use the Arts Club premises (with some minor limitations), thus ending the Eccentric Club's temporary homelessness.

In less than a year from its re-launch, the Eccentric Club’s membership exceeded 100 individuals in the UK and 11 other countries worldwide.

...To bring the Eccentric Club back to life in the 21st century was an amazing and exciting challenge. Just like the original founders many years ago, we had to start from the very beginning – finding patrons, acquiring the right members, raising the funds, organising the events, seeking the clubhouse to meet in. But the mere idea of a possibility of succeeding at such an eccentric task and saving with the Club a huge chunk of British and, indeed, international cultural history carelessly abandoned and ignored for many years, was making it really worth all our efforts.

The newly restored Eccentric Club aims to honour the famous charitable traditions of its predecessors. We believe that today, in the times of common globalisation, it is essentially important to support our local, national and European charities which far too often remain undervalued and underfunded whilst the larger international organisations' needs seem to be taking a priority.

Finally, we believe that it is essentially important to highlight and celebrate the eccentricity itself, as it was understood by our predecessors – an innate ability to ignore the well-trotted routes of the others and invent own original ways, find surprisingly fresh approaches to the long decided issues, proudly demonstrating to the rest of the world the great mosaic of possible solutions and points of view. And, as we know from the history, the world has often followed the eccentrics and acknowledged their genius...


FAMOUS MEMBERS OF THE CLUB: Charles James Fox, William Lamb (Lord Melbourne), Richard Brinsley Sheridan, Charles Stanhope (The Earl of Harrington), Henry Peter Brougham (Baron Brougham and Vaux), Theodore Hook, James Sheridan Knowles, Lord Denman, Lord Campbell, William M. Thackeray, Jack A. Harrison, Sir Charles Wyndham, Viscount Burnham, The Earl of Lonsdale, The Earl of Birkenhead, Lord Montagu, Lord Bristol, The Duke of Westminster, Sir Frederick Wells, Sir James Miller, Sir Herbert Tree, Sir George Alexander, Sir Walter de Frece, Sir Seymour Hicks, H. Montague-Bates, G. N. Barnes, George Milne, Walter J. W. Beard, Thomas Honey, Percy Leftwich, W. E. Garstin, A. J. East, Ernest Stuart, Dudley Hardy, Julius M. Price, Lionel Brough, John Hollingshead, M. and Jean de Paleologue, Henry Ainley, George Robey, Dan Leno, Little Tich, Sir Henry J. Wood, Sir Landon Ronald, Sir Gerald du Maurier, Fred Bishop, Bill Gavin, Dick Upex, Bud Flanagan, Tommy Trinder, Ben Warris, Joe Davis, Jack Trevor, James Moore, Louis Scott, George Graves, Talbot O'Farrell and many many others.

In total, 35 Lord Mayors of London were Honorary Life Members of the Club.w.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person.php?LinkID=mp64552

dopey
23-11-2012, 09:04 PM
It's odd how there's the extreme paranoia aimed at normal people, such as parents who want to video their kids in a nativity play. And all the while, judges, politicians, bankers, police officers etc are inflicting horrific abuse on children with impunity.

Because many only worry themselves about what's going on that might affect them. Unless (or until) it concerns them directly they don't want to know.

magoo22
23-11-2012, 09:05 PM
The masons are at the heart of it. We need people to start knocking on their doors.


They have been mentioned in the press recently.... then the Mcalpine thing kicked off and took the heat of the masons.

Handy.

I second that

dopey
23-11-2012, 09:07 PM
Google images of the crime writer look quite scary and imposing. Some of the links off them are :eek: too!

Hard as nails.

dopey
23-11-2012, 09:09 PM
We could do with the help of Anonymous in our pursuit to expose these paedophile rings.



I know. A band of tame master hackers would be the stuff of dreams.

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Bruno is a victim and I think he warrants total empathy, the truth is there is a cult of celebrity and this is vile and malignant and we are waking up to the true extensive horrors of the current ruling "elite" of blue blooded psychopathy, there are no conspiracies and the one's who do all this insanity created the word to cover their tracks and they are masters of disinfo and they write his-story, we are unraveling the whole pantomime of lies at an ever increasing rate, many still are asleep but the global consciousness is increasing in an ever increasing influx of postivity, 3 months ago Jimmy Savile was a patron of the arts and now he is Jack the Ripper, this is heading in the direction of truth and the only one's who have anything to fear are the monsters inc of occultism.


When you wake up and recognize you feel low because a parasite is sucking all the goodness out of you, you can then reach over and crush the fucking thing, TV wont mention the mass awakening or planetary butterfly effect because that's like a psychopath shouting out at the top of their voice "I AM GUILTY" they are clinging on for breathe right now and we are waking up from our collective nightmare.

NWO is not coming, its always been here and has been losing it's grip and now we have reached a point where it fully makes itself known, not due to power but due to weakness, the hypnosis is failing of a dying parasite. this parasite is the entire paedo addled blackmailed establishment and they are ALL complicit for crimes against humanity and nature.

The NWO is not coming it's fucking going..

BUT we have managed to stop it in its tracks!! BUT only for a short period if we dont keep this thing in the spotlight! Think terrier ..we need to keep nipping their ankles!! Eventually we will have their balls in a vice grip!!:D Oh would love to see that day :)

james25
23-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Actually, the only pages available now on pebpr.blogspot.com seem to be the scallywag scans.

If you want some other pages, get them saved from Google's cache while you can.

It seems to have gone completely now, but during a search for the blog I found a similar page over on DS. Although, it is old news, and it's new material we need to see.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=54065372&postcount=295

anders7777
23-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Having this week read the Brice Taylor book - :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad: - I wonder two things;

- Bruno has been repeatedly sectioned due to incoherent rantings about satanist child-murdering freemasons that most people would find bizarre

- Bruno's mind-control programming has broken down and he has been "sectioned" in an attempt to bring him back under control. These sectionings being infact re-programming sessions?

F**K ME that Brice Taylor book is a harrowing read. :(

Sectioning

=

As above, IMO...

magoo22
23-11-2012, 09:13 PM
Athaeneum Club is affiliates to this delightful(?) enterprise which is right Royally supported. This club is International - lots of links worldwide - Australia, Italy (who does that remind me of) etc etc.

Check out the website

http://www.eccentricclub.co.uk/


Welcome to the Eccentric Club (UK), formerly known in its various incarnations as The Illustrious Society of Eccentrics, The Everlasting Society of Eccentrics, The Eccentric Society Club and, finally, The Eccentric Club.

For more than two centuries the Eccentric Club was one of the most important institutions of British society. Its name is a long established and reputable brand, its members were amongst those who helped to shape British culture into what it is today, and its history is inseparable from that of Great Britain itself...

Founded a number of times by seemingly unrelated and socially different groups of people, for centuries it served as a meeting point for many great and original minds, pioneers of thought in artistic, literary, theatrical, scientific, legal and political circles, providing an amicable environment for their recreational and creative pastime as well as a testing ground for novel and controversial theories and approaches to the issues equally important to British society and all of the mankind.

The present club has been revived by a group of enthusiasts, members of the old club and a few other London clubs, in 2007 (the old club has closed in 1984), and was officially re-launched on the 29th of August 2008.

The organisers were congratulated on their endeavours by HRH Prince Charles of Wales, Their Royal Highnesses Princes William and Harry of Wales, HRH Prince Michael of Kent, Lord Montagu, Lord Bath, Count Nikolai Tolstoy-Miloslavsky, Mayor of London Boris Johnson, actor David Prowse, performer Elton John, writer Peter Underwood, writer Nicholas John Storey of The Retrocentric Club.

Following the re-launch, the Club Secretary had private meetings with HRH Prince Michael of Kent at Kensington Palace who expressed his interest and support for the new club, and with Lord Montagu of Beaulieu (the last President of The Eccentric Club in Ryder Street) who has entrusted to the new club's Committee his archive of documents related to the old club, thus symbolically establishing the link between the two organisations.

HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, and HRH Prince Charles for many years were the Club’s Life Honorary Members. On the 25th of November 2008 HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, has decided to grant his Patronage to the Club.

In May 2009 the Eccentric Club has managed to secure itself an informal agreement with the Arts Club of 40 Dover Street, Mayfair, allowing the Eccentric Club members to use the Arts Club premises (with some minor limitations), thus ending the Eccentric Club's temporary homelessness.

In less than a year from its re-launch, the Eccentric Club’s membership exceeded 100 individuals in the UK and 11 other countries worldwide.

...To bring the Eccentric Club back to life in the 21st century was an amazing and exciting challenge. Just like the original founders many years ago, we had to start from the very beginning – finding patrons, acquiring the right members, raising the funds, organising the events, seeking the clubhouse to meet in. But the mere idea of a possibility of succeeding at such an eccentric task and saving with the Club a huge chunk of British and, indeed, international cultural history carelessly abandoned and ignored for many years, was making it really worth all our efforts.

The newly restored Eccentric Club aims to honour the famous charitable traditions of its predecessors. We believe that today, in the times of common globalisation, it is essentially important to support our local, national and European charities which far too often remain undervalued and underfunded whilst the larger international organisations' needs seem to be taking a priority.

Finally, we believe that it is essentially important to highlight and celebrate the eccentricity itself, as it was understood by our predecessors – an innate ability to ignore the well-trotted routes of the others and invent own original ways, find surprisingly fresh approaches to the long decided issues, proudly demonstrating to the rest of the world the great mosaic of possible solutions and points of view. And, as we know from the history, the world has often followed the eccentrics and acknowledged their genius...


FAMOUS MEMBERS OF THE CLUB: Charles James Fox, William Lamb (Lord Melbourne), Richard Brinsley Sheridan, Charles Stanhope (The Earl of Harrington), Henry Peter Brougham (Baron Brougham and Vaux), Theodore Hook, James Sheridan Knowles, Lord Denman, Lord Campbell, William M. Thackeray, Jack A. Harrison, Sir Charles Wyndham, Viscount Burnham, The Earl of Lonsdale, The Earl of Birkenhead, Lord Montagu, Lord Bristol, The Duke of Westminster, Sir Frederick Wells, Sir James Miller, Sir Herbert Tree, Sir George Alexander, Sir Walter de Frece, Sir Seymour Hicks, H. Montague-Bates, G. N. Barnes, George Milne, Walter J. W. Beard, Thomas Honey, Percy Leftwich, W. E. Garstin, A. J. East, Ernest Stuart, Dudley Hardy, Julius M. Price, Lionel Brough, John Hollingshead, M. and Jean de Paleologue, Henry Ainley, George Robey, Dan Leno, Little Tich, Sir Henry J. Wood, Sir Landon Ronald, Sir Gerald du Maurier, Fred Bishop, Bill Gavin, Dick Upex, Bud Flanagan, Tommy Trinder, Ben Warris, Joe Davis, Jack Trevor, James Moore, Louis Scott, George Graves, Talbot O'Farrell and many many others.

In total, 35 Lord Mayors of London were Honorary Life Members of the Club.w.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person.php?LinkID=mp64552

Good follow up, thanks. I noticed their crest is of an Owl (very occultic) and the latin phrase Nil Nisi Bonum.

The Latin phrase De mortuis nihil nisi bonum (“Of the dead, nothing unless good”), indicates that it is socially inappropriate to speak ill of the dead. As a mortuary aphorism, De mortuis. . . . derives from the Latin sentence De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est (“Of the dead nothing but good is to be said”), which also is abbreviated as Nil nisi bonum. In English usage, freer translations are the aphoristic phrases “Speak no ill of the dead”, “Of the dead, speak no evil”, and “Do not speak ill of the dead”.

Quite interesting in itself.

I will look more into this another day. Time to spend time with my lovely wife. Peace out all.

heartbeatsalute
23-11-2012, 09:15 PM
I know. A band of tame master hackers would be the stuff of dreams.

Too bad wikileaks Julian assange is in the Ecuadorian Embassy, or we could try seek help from different people at the top who seem untouchable...but not by hackers.

claydog
23-11-2012, 09:15 PM
I agree with that, but when it's here and it tells us 'we're here and there's nothing you can do about it' that's when human freedom is fucked.

It has had a resurgence at various points in history, mostly it keeps its head down and just quietly fiddles things in the background, but when it's agents step out from the shadows and announce themselves......just start praying that they creep back again because the next step is death squads and concentration camps.

It could happen.....there's a lot riding on a knife edge right now.

The masons are at the heart of it. They need people to start knocking on their doors.



When there is a planetary shift or ascension then the energy changes also, we are ascending the energy that supports NWO and occultism, just because the TV and dark age science don't tell us this then to me it's a good sign that it's actually true. the current NWO is all about suppression they gave us reverse Christianity. When there is a transitional phase between frequencies you get a timeline like this, transition. Out with the old in with the new, full disclosure, revelations..

That's right now, but the event horizon does not support low vibration suppression that allows manifestations such as NWO. Dark to Golden age, truth vibrations. pure genius and total illumination, it's all part of the ascension on galactic scale we manifest our human experience also but it's much bigger than human hubris, and way out of the hands of psychopathy, we are just one tiny drop in an endless quantum reality, currently limited to visible light but waking up.. Pineal gland is key to this and awareness of DNA light activation also, this is the re ignition of the original blueprint and our origins and many of us don't come from this galaxy let alone planet..

I refuse to let nonces try and slow me down with TV mind programming and constant misery buzzwords like "austerity" this is the mass awakening of an entire prison planet, evolution from greed centered self-serving to beauty beyond our current words to describe.

That's what happens when you arrive at a quantum shift of evolution we witness and play our parts as we evolve, the human experience is just one of an endless stream of life, but homo-sapiens and psychopathic genetics will always argue it's all about them, we evolve from homo-sapien to homo-galacticus in one life experience. And that vision is much better than the one the dystopian fuckwits of control want us to co-create for them. They are done.

real_jimmyjones
23-11-2012, 09:16 PM
Does anybody have contact details for Brian Gerrish?

claydog
23-11-2012, 09:17 PM
BUT we have managed to stop it in its tracks!! BUT only for a short period if we dont keep this thing in the spotlight! Think terrier ..we need to keep nipping their ankles!! Eventually we will have their balls in a vice grip!!:D Oh would love to see that day :)


One of their biggest tricks was to get us to always underestimate ourselves when they are the weak and united we rise as they fall divided.

dopey
23-11-2012, 09:19 PM
Does anybody have contact details for Brian Gerrish?

On advice I've removed his details, but they're available via Google.

tameelf
23-11-2012, 09:21 PM
Does anybody have contact details for Brian Gerrish?

heres a link to the website hes on live everyday 2 till 4pm uk http://www.ukcolumn.org/

welshwitch
23-11-2012, 09:27 PM
Suggest the safest way of contacting Brian is via www.Ukcolumn.org

I have his personal email which I won't give out in public. Nowadays you can not be sure of who is reading and noting what.

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 09:28 PM
Good follow up, thanks. I noticed their crest is of an Owl (very occultic) and the latin phrase Nil Nisi Bonum.

The Latin phrase De mortuis nihil nisi bonum (“Of the dead, nothing unless good”), indicates that it is socially inappropriate to speak ill of the dead. As a mortuary aphorism, De mortuis. . . . derives from the Latin sentence De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est (“Of the dead nothing but good is to be said”), which also is abbreviated as Nil nisi bonum. In English usage, freer translations are the aphoristic phrases “Speak no ill of the dead”, “Of the dead, speak no evil”, and “Do not speak ill of the dead”.

Quite interesting in itself.

I will look more into this another day. Time to spend time with my lovely wife. Peace out all.

Moloc.....A wise flight whom sits with pierced wings

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 09:30 PM
I can't help but feel the cause (namely, exposing the corruption, paedophila and assorted serious wrongdoing in high places, especially among politicians) isn't helped by most of the leading lights (such as David Icke) going off on one about reptilians and the like.

There is no evidence whatsoever the royal family are extra terrestrials :p Reptiles, certainly, but of the distinctly human variety (IMHO). Whereas there is plenty that there are dangerous predatory paedos all over the place - parliament, the judiciary, the police force etc etc.

If Icke & co continue to go on about lizards and Illuminati, the message will never get through to the masses. That's the fact of the matter.

What we need is someone like Icke with a high profile, to whom people will listen, but who tones down the more off the wall stuff. It may all be true. 9/11 very likely wasn't masterminded by bin Laden. But people need to have the truth broken to them gently, starting with stuff we stand a reasonable chance of getting to grips with most easily, then working up to the NWO and such.

My mind has been opened by this forum but I'm a natural cynic and as such find it hard to believe much of the stuff discussed on here.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 09:31 PM
lmao @anders your reply to my isle of man 1 lap post was brilliant burt lancaster was my childhood hero and whose name thank god has not come up scared to look now lol

i am bad with computor tech im on a 5 year old laptop

every time it messes up i press ALT AND F10 rapidly soon as i switch on ...this restores factory settings NOTHING WILL BE SAVED but you get a brand new computor free

ps you never seen the tt??

Oh yes!!!

Scary!!!

Bit like the nurbergring...

I used to race Caterham 7s

Good clip here of part of the TT course

Caterham on the isle of Man - YouTube

real_jimmyjones
23-11-2012, 09:31 PM
Is this him?

Contact details. email [email protected]; telephone 01752 312743;
address 12/13 Sussex Street Plymouth PL1 2HR

Thank you, I think I need to talk to someone who can help me deal with this. Too big for me to deal with alone...

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 09:32 PM
Suggest the safest way of contacting Brian is via www.Ukcolumn.org

I have his personal email which I won't give out in public. Nowadays you can not be sure of who is reading and noting what.

I wonder if McAlpine has been on here yet? :p Bet that lawyer of his has. Parasites who should be fucking strung up, every single one of them. Estate agents, lawyers, politicians, paedophiles - pond life.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 09:33 PM
Oh yes!!!

Scary!!!

Bit like the nurbergring...

I used to race Caterham 7s

Good clip here of part of the TT course

Caterham on the isle of Man - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iG-jwEFdWo&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Ps

Fraid old burt was part of the casting couch scene, they more or less all were ...:(

dopey
23-11-2012, 09:37 PM
Thank you, I think I need to talk to someone who can help me deal with this. Too big for me to deal with alone...

If you can't get hold of him I've just realised that a friend of mine in Swansea (who is involved in the Linda Lewis justice campaign) knows him so if you can't get hold of him I know someone who can.

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 09:39 PM
Too bad wikileaks Julian assange is in the Ecuadorian Embassy, or we could try seek help from different people at the top who seem untouchable...but not by hackers.

Anonymous or Julian Assange would never help......reason is.....they are MSM headlines.....And I mean that in a negative way on our point. ;)
If your in the limelight, its an agenda. They are in the spotlight for a reason....

Ive edited to say.....They are a figment of our imagination

welshwitch
23-11-2012, 09:43 PM
I wonder if McAlpine has been on here yet? :p Bet that lawyer of his has. Parasites who should be fucking strung up, every single one of them. Estate agents, lawyers, politicians, paedophiles - pond life.


http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/newsSearch.ac?sy=smh&sp=adv

Very charming photos of Lord McAlpine's ex wife, daughter (jail bait - imo) and Margaret Thatcher

Draw your own conclusions from what you see:eek:

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 09:43 PM
Too bad wikileaks Julian assange is in the Ecuadorian Embassy, or we could try seek help from different people at the top who seem untouchable...but not by hackers.


Oh yes another duo we need to protect Julian and Andrea..how many know the real reason Julian Assange went into the Ecuadorian Embassy!? Initially thought, as the media wanted us too, he was running away. Then found out this woman Andrea Davison was also in the embassy AND the police were trying to get her out! Well done Julian! Look up Scallywag..this woman is in real danger AND we need to protect her! Andrea Davison, the last of the Scallywags' and also major reporter of the David Kelly affair!

Hopefully not off thread :-)

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 09:44 PM
Thank you, I think I need to talk to someone who can help me deal with this. Too big for me to deal with alone...

Jimmy....Im not being forward here bud....But how big could this blow ?
If your worried..Oh fuck I dont know what to say
Are you ok in yourself now ?

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 09:46 PM
It's actually much easier hacking into a large organisation than an individual in many cases. With the paranoia around these days, I think it's highly unlikely any of the 'suspect' names such as Derek Laud would have anything on a PC where it could be accessed by a hacker. Such people tend to have everything on encrypted drives and only access that material on a machine with no internet connection.

I've heard tales of trip switched properties and BIOS encryption - basically, if anyone breaks into their place, the mere act of opening the front door cuts the power to their computer and their encryption starts at the BIOS loading point. So once the PC is switched off, it's impossible to access the hard drive without entering a password before the main boot process has even begun.

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 09:47 PM
Suggest the safest way of contacting Brian is via www.Ukcolumn.org

I have his personal email which I won't give out in public. Nowadays you can not be sure of who is reading and noting what.

A man needs help.....A PM wouldnt have gone amiss....Not being personal :rolleyes:

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 09:47 PM
Jimmy....Im not being forward here bud....But how big could this blow ?
If your worried..Oh fuck I dont know what to say
Are you ok in yourself now ?

I honestly think the safest thing to do is 'get it out there'. If I had info, no way would I be sitting on it.
However, Jimmy, stay safe.xxxx

tameelf
23-11-2012, 09:49 PM
Ps

Fraid old burt was part of the casting couch scene, they more or less all were ...:(

i expected that ...
nice noise on the vid

i raced a 125rshonda kart 135mph

welshwitch
23-11-2012, 09:51 PM
A man needs help.....A PM wouldnt have gone amiss....Not being personal :rolleyes:

Understand - but not my right to give out personal data.

I first got in touch with Brian via UK Column. System works - email and phone. He then got back to me. Quick, easy and safe for both parties.

real_jimmyjones
23-11-2012, 09:54 PM
Jimmy....Im not being forward here bud....But how big could this blow ?
If your worried..Oh fuck I dont know what to say
Are you ok in yourself now ?

I am OK in myself. I have been given some info that makes me feel sick to my stomach, I need to speak to someone who can deal with it.. It has the possibility of.... God, HUGE! If it can be proved...

thehuntergatherer
23-11-2012, 09:55 PM
We could do with the help of Anonymous in our pursuit to expose these paedophile rings.

Surely it would be easy for them to search the computers of homes that have been named here, as well as all other child care homes throughout the country. Search the home computers of those who run such homes. Search through the local police computers that were linked to homes we already know about. Search home computers of celebrities and politicians who have been named as well as others and then just dump any and all incriminating evidence online.

Everything!

Come on Anonymous. Help quell the theory that you are actually a CIA creation. :cool:

+1.Now that Wikileaks is F.U.B.A.R and dead in the water.If Anonymous are the real deal i say come join the party,blow this thing apart.!!!

real_jimmyjones
23-11-2012, 09:57 PM
I honestly think the safest thing to do is 'get it out there'. If I had info, no way would I be sitting on it.
However, Jimmy, stay safe.xxxx

Would you? honestly?

chillyheat
23-11-2012, 09:58 PM
Understand - but not my right to give out personal data.

I first got in touch with Brian via UK Column. System works - email and phone. He then got back to me. Quick, easy and safe for both parties.

Well private message Jimmy and give him the info.....and his phone number....FFS this man needs a shoulder

allseeingipod
23-11-2012, 09:59 PM
I am OK in myself. I have been given some info that makes me feel sick to my stomach, I need to speak to someone who can deal with it.. It has the possibility of.... God, HUGE! If it can be proved...

Always put yourself first. Your own personal safety and that of your loved ones means more than bringing down scum. It has to. If we're not going to look after our own, we end up being no better than the people we're trying to topple.

But great news if you can put this out there safely. Though I think proving anything about these people might take a bit of doing.

dopey
23-11-2012, 10:00 PM
Would you? honestly?

Well, speaking for myself only, no I wouldn't. I'd be too scared. I'd be doing what you're already doing and trying to do it through others who I think I can trust.

wakingthedead
23-11-2012, 10:01 PM
I can't help but feel the cause (namely, exposing the corruption, paedophila and assorted serious wrongdoing in high places, especially among politicians) isn't helped by most of the leading lights (such as David Icke) going off on one about reptilians and the like.

There is no evidence whatsoever the royal family are extra terrestrials :p Reptiles, certainly, but of the distinctly human variety (IMHO). Whereas there is plenty that there are dangerous predatory paedos all over the place - parliament, the judiciary, the police force etc etc.

If Icke & co continue to go on about lizards and Illuminati, the message will never get through to the masses. That's the fact of the matter.

What we need is someone like Icke with a high profile, to whom people will listen, but who tones down the more off the wall stuff. It may all be true. 9/11 very likely wasn't masterminded by bin Laden. But people need to have the truth broken to them gently, starting with stuff we stand a reasonable chance of getting to grips with most easily, then working up to the NWO and such.

My mind has been opened by this forum but I'm a natural cynic and as such find it hard to believe much of the stuff discussed on here.

Dont understand that last part " My mind has been opened by this forum but I'm a natural cynic and as such find it hard to believe much of the stuff discussed on here"

And too be honest most of your post!..the people on here are working their socks of too get to the bottom of the JS nightmare and the paedophilia
network within this country and beyond! Plus DI exposed this years back..so maybe your mind has been opened by this forum but sorry your still an AH!!

claydog
23-11-2012, 10:01 PM
I am OK in myself. I have been given some info that makes me feel sick to my stomach, I need to speak to someone who can deal with it.. It has the possibility of.... God, HUGE! If it can be proved...


One big story and the entire dam breaks, they can plug leaks but the dam will wash them all out to drown in exposures..

I still have faith in Jim actually fixing it for us to bring the establishment down. But we need to get the vipers grassing also, this is going to get messy for anyone holding on to vile shit. So that's all of them as blackmail is what binds them currently..

they also know if they hit the internet kill switch that its got too far and people will flood the streets, we can all witness the breakdown of the TV mind programming as people wake up so this means old bill, military and the one's deep in the control system also wake up and turn on the monsters they are hearing about through the daily internet exposures, TV is fucked they know this..

real_jimmyjones
23-11-2012, 10:02 PM
Always put yourself first. Your own personal safety and that of your loved ones means more than bringing down scum. It has to. If we're not going to look after our own, we end up being no better than the people we're trying to topple.

But great news if you can put this out there safely. Though I think proving anything about these people might take a bit of doing.

I really could do with some advice on this guys, need to get this out there but I am... To be honest... Shitting Myself!!!!

obliette
23-11-2012, 10:02 PM
I honestly think the safest thing to do is 'get it out there'. If I had info, no way would I be sitting on it.
However, Jimmy, stay safe.xxxx


I would be very careful about how I did that - if it's that big, there will be people who would go to any lengths to cover up - really would not want anyone to put themselves in that position.

Play the long game, and stay safe!

welshwitch
23-11-2012, 10:04 PM
Jimmy, stay strong. You have done incredibly well til now. There are many many others fighting this battle with you.

UK Column contacts - (or email via their website)

By phone: 01752 478050 (Brian/Mike) are available to speak with after 1300 except Thurs when best to call before 11.00 a.m

By post: The Annexe,
Scott Lodge,
Scott Road,
Plymouth
PL2 3DU

Keep faith

trafficker
23-11-2012, 10:05 PM
[QUOTE=chillyheat;1061155242]Anonymous or Julian Assange would never help......reason is.....they are MSM headlines.....And I mean that in a negative way on our point. ;)
If your in the limelight, its an agenda. They are in the spotlight for a reason....

Ive edited to say.....They are a figment of our imagination[/QUOT


Also julien has own rape case / in sweden to deal with....set up or not

anders7777
23-11-2012, 10:06 PM
Of course, we could just be luring them into a false sense of security, knowing as we do that all our posts, emails and other online activity is monitored.

We might have a huge vault of hard evidence and be waiting for just the right time to unleash it. We might even have dirt on Max Clifford and Rupert Murdoch, never mind certain members of the royal family and current cabinet ministers...



We might ... :D


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border reiver
23-11-2012, 10:07 PM
A brief distraction for Anders, specifically - although anyone who would benefit from an adrenalin rush should watch it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk_tYr7grVc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Apologies for going OT for a moment but, like humour, it can sometimes raise the morale.

angelthecat
23-11-2012, 10:09 PM
There is no evidence whatsoever the royal family are extra terrestrials :p Reptiles, certainly, but of the distinctly human variety (IMHO).

I think people will eventually learn that the lizard thing is a metaphor, there is a game being played and it is all about the words, they are not 'human' as human is not a godly word, and they really do follow that book to the letter.

http://www.creationscienceseminars.org/def_human_being_handout.pdf

people are not defined as humans, only in concise dictionary's supplied by AJ Arnold's of Leeds would such a bad definition be given :)

we are in a time of inquisition, the ungodly,and humans are to be destroyed, abused, and enslaved, that is their book of engagement [the bible], same tribe doing it 'Knights Templar' or the Temple BAR association,

search as much as you like, you can not find that which has not been written, and everything you find has been written for you to see, its a paper chase

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 10:09 PM
Would you? honestly?

Yes, honestly. I have a gift of being able to put myself in other's shoes (empathy) and I can tell you with all honesty that is what I would do. They rule us with fear. It's ok to be scared, but not to be a coward. I say all this with love in my heart and a wish that you stay safe.
xxxx

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 10:12 PM
I would be very careful about how I did that - if it's that big, there will be people who would go to any lengths to cover up - really would not want anyone to put themselves in that position.

Play the long game, and stay safe!

Yes, but they can easily silence one person. The more people that know, the harder to cover it up. Safety in numbers, and there's more of us decent people then there are of those fucking degenerates.
xxx

dopey
23-11-2012, 10:13 PM
I really could do with some advice on this guys, need to get this out there but I am... To be honest... Shitting Myself!!!!

I'm ringing my friend but his phone is engaged so I'll keep trying. If he gives me any details/info I'll pm you.

real_jimmyjones
23-11-2012, 10:14 PM
I'm ringing my friend but his phone is engaged so I'll keep trying. If he gives me any details/info I'll pm you.

Thank you, I cannot rest at the moment...

tameelf
23-11-2012, 10:15 PM
hang in there jimmy photo copy it a few times .
if you cant take photos per page

brians scared of nothing he was helping someone on a secret chid court action and came across goverment docs re children as young as 18 months having lots of orgasims in a 24hour period whitch makes you dumbly think how do they get this info ............then it dawns on you sick sick people

5145pholus
23-11-2012, 10:16 PM
Yes, honestly. I have a gift of being able to put myself in other's shoes (empathy) and I can tell you with all honesty that is what I would do. They rule us with fear. It's ok to be scared, but not to be a coward. I say all this with love in my heart and a wish that you stay safe.
xxxx

100% with you there. Fear has brought us to where we find ourselves now. Sometimes you have to grit your teeth and just do it.

Hand on heart, if I had info that could move this further on, I would go for it. I wish you all the best Jimmy.

real_jimmyjones
23-11-2012, 10:16 PM
What if I told you that McAlpine is totally innocent of the allegations that have put out by a certain Mr Messham?

claydog
23-11-2012, 10:19 PM
I think this goes all the way to the top. We are just scratching the surface, I suspect the Elite are all involved in Paedophile rings. This was suppressed by the MSM because no-one wanted the public to make any connections beyond Savile.

There will not be a public enquiry...


It's the entire reason the bloodline is so closely guarded and protected by secret societies in the jobs of the paedo riddled establishment, blackmail for ritual , pleasure then blackmail to stop whistle blowers.

dopey
23-11-2012, 10:19 PM
What if I told you that McAlpine is totally innocent of the allegations that have put out by a certain Mr Messham?

We'd be gutted, but I think its safe to say all we want is the truth...whether its what we want to hear or not. That's speaking for myself anyway.

northernlass
23-11-2012, 10:20 PM
I think Personally how we feel is down to what we have to lose, as a mom I dont fear death for myself but to leave my children alone would be the worst thing i could do to them.
If i had a secret that could blow the top off this country then it would be the biggest moral dilema i could cope with.
I think David Icke is probably the only person at the minute that could be entrusted with the information, Id be making copys and copies and posting them all over the country so if the truth was tried to be supressed it would already be out there.
Its probably too big for any of us to contemplate, If people in power can get popped off in an instant wouldnt you fear for yourself or family members?:confused:
Good luck Jimmy_Jones x

phantom
23-11-2012, 10:20 PM
I really could do with some advice on this guys, need to get this out there but I am... To be honest... Shitting Myself!!!!

Hi Jimmy

Perhaps consider asking a few people here via PM for help in investigating something for you. Keep it off the forum until the time is right. Organise!

I would like to think that if I was in your shoes, I would either release the info or seek help in organising how, what and when it is released it. And while the subject is still in the main stream, look to release it, or some of it asap.

My interest in this whole paedophile ring issue is because of my late father was a victim. He spent 5 years in Artane, Dublin from the age of 11 to 16 for stealing a box of cigarettes off a lorry. 5 years of abuse at the hands of the brothers.

My old man didn't go on to sexually abuse any of us but he was a hard man and dished out the physical punishment. For all his adult life he kept it from us until I caught him crying after watching something on the news back in 2000/2001. I thought another of his favourite celebrities had died but when I asked why he was crying he told about Artane.

So, if I was in your position, I would consider getting the info out asap, with the help of others.

anders7777
23-11-2012, 10:20 PM
Don't know if much has been said on this, only just stumbled across it and already a few interesting leads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenaeum_Club,_London

The Athenaeum Club, usually just referred to as the Athenaeum, is a notable London club with its Clubhouse located at 107 Pall Mall, London, England, at the corner of Waterloo Place.
It is noted for its large library, and for a bas-relief frieze decorating the club house exterior. It was long regarded as a clergymen's club and today includes Cabinet Ministers, senior civil servants, Peers of the Realm and senior bishops amongst its members.
The club's facilities include a dining room, a smoking room and a suite of bedrooms. A notable feature of the Club's clock which hangs above the stairs is that it has two figure sevens and no figure eight, the reason for which is uncertain.

Jimmy Savile was elected into membership in 1984 being put forward by Cardinal Basil Hume.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/9596850/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-causes-anguish-at-the-Athenaeum.html

The cardinal had introduced Savile to Pope John Paul II when he visited Britain in 1982. Of Savile’s election to the Athenaeum, the cardinal’s spokesman noted: “He is a great admirer of what Jimmy has done for young people – and Stoke Mandeville – and is delighted to help in this matter.”

A quick skeg of Basil Hume's Wiki

Controversies

Hume was accused in 'hushing up' a suspected sexual abuse scandal at Ampleforth College by not calling in the police when he received a complaint from parents in 1975 about Father Piers Grant-Ferris, the son of a Tory peer at Gilling Castle, formerly a prep school for Ampleforth. In 2005, Grant-Ferris admitted 20 incidents of child abuse. This was not an isolated incident and involved other monks and lay members. The Yorkshire Post reported in 2005; "Pupils at a leading Roman Catholic school suffered decades of abuse from at least six paedophiles following a decision by former Abbot Basil Hume not to call in police at the beginning of the scandal." [16]

Despite this he was awarded the Order of Merit by the Queen in 1999. He died just over two weeks later of bowel cancer in Westminster, London, at age 76.[8] After a funeral service broadcast live on national television, he was buried in Westminster Cathedral. John Paul II, in his message of condolence to the Church in England and Wales, praised Hume as a "shepherd of great spiritual and moral character".[9]

Interesting to note other paedophile members include Anthony Blunt and Winston Churchill and probably more that i'm not aware of.

This is a small selection of the notable people who have belonged to the club:

The Earl of Aberdeen
Augustus Agar, naval hero
Matthew Arnold
H.H. Asquith
Andrew Geddes Bain geologist, road engineer, palaeontologist and explorer
Owen Barfield (1898–1997) philosopher, poet, etymologist, and solicitor
J. M. Barrie
Louis Lucien Bonaparte, linguist
Virginia Bottomley, Baroness Bottomley of Nettlestone, politician and headhunter
L.J.F. Brimble, botanist and editor of Nature magazine
James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce (1838–1922), jurist, historian and politician
Sir Francis Burdett, 5th Baronet
William Burges (1827–1881), architect and designer
Lord (Alec) Broers
Oscar Browning politician, historian (1837–1923)
Thomas Campbell (poet)
Gilbert Keith Chesterton (author)
Winston Churchill
John Duke Coleridge, 1st Baron Coleridge (1820–1894)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Joseph Conrad
Lord Curzon, MP, Viceroy of India, and British Foreign Secretary
Charles Darwin
Charles Dickens
Isaac D'Israeli
T. S. Eliot poet
Michael Faraday
John Fisher, 1st Baron Fisher
Sir William Galloway (1840–1927) mining engineer, Professor of Mining at University College of Wales
Victoria Glendinning
Alec Guinness
Henry Hallam historian, Commissioner of Stamps (1826)
Thomas Hardy
Cardinal Basil Hume
Roy Jenkins Chancellor of the Exchequer and Home Secretary
Sir Reginald Fleming Johnston (1874–1938), Tutor of the Last Emperor of China
Charles Kemble
Rudyard Kipling, poet laureate
H. F. B. Lynch, traveller and businessman
Walter de la Mare (1873–1956)
Lord Robert Montagu (1825–1902)
Thomas Moore (poet)
Sir Roderick Impey Murchison (1792–1871), President of the Geological Society and the Royal Geographical Society.
George Nugent-Grenville, 2nd Baron Nugent (1789–1850)
Lord Palmerston
Harry St John Philby archaeologist and Arabist
Michael Polanyi
Vilayanur S. Ramachandran, Neurologist & neuroscientist
Cecil Rhodes
Emile Victor Rieu
Jimmy Savile[3]
Sir Walter Scott writer
Idries Shah, author on Sufism (1924–1996)
Tahir Shah, author
Richard 'Conversation' Sharp, critic, merchant and politician
Herbert Spencer (1820–1903)
Walter Starkie
James Joseph Sylvester, Mathematician
Sir Jethro Teall, geologist and petrologist
William Makepeace Thackeray author
Arnold J. Toynbee historian
Professor Rick Trainor, Principal of King's College London
Anthony Trollope, author
J.M.W. Turner, painter
Anthony Blunt
Sir Barnes Wallis, engineer (1887–1979)
Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (1769–1852)
W. B. Yeats poet
Eric Millar, historian of illuminated manuscripts[4]
Alexander Burnes, explorer in the Great Game

A lead worth following? :)


Great sleuthing!

Catholic satanist black mass cunts!

Figures!

Everything Malachi Martin said, about the Vatican, before he was murdered - is TRUE IMHO...

The clock

7

7

=

The London false flag bombings

See ripple effect here

Mindblowing stuff:

7/7 Ripple Effect 2 - YouTube

angelthecat
23-11-2012, 10:21 PM
What if I told you that McAlpine is totally innocent of the allegations that have put out by a certain Mr Messham?

that would mean that this has took a long time to stage, and has been very well thought out, were they waiting for Jim to die?

dopey
23-11-2012, 10:21 PM
Anders where are you???

real_jimmyjones
23-11-2012, 10:21 PM
We'd be gutted, but I think its safe to say all we want is the truth...whether its what we want to hear or not. That's speaking for myself anyway.

It is way bigger than Messham, who by the way is the reason that Waterhouse was set up at a cost of £13,000,000 and he fucking lied all the way through it, what would you do with that information.

obliette
23-11-2012, 10:22 PM
What if I told you that McAlpine is totally innocent of the allegations that have put out by a certain Mr Messham?

I'd be saying probably knew that already - I seriously doubt any of them were involved, although would not rule out some of the lesser nobs who live there.

jewellerymaker
23-11-2012, 10:22 PM
What if I told you that McAlpine is totally innocent of the allegations that have put out by a certain Mr Messham?

Whether we like it or not, this information is important - because we need to focus on the real criminals, not scape-goats, or accidentally fingered people. We're all fighting for truth, right? (he's still a grade-A cunt though ;))

However, I can't read between your lines, so not sure where this is going!
xxx

5145pholus
23-11-2012, 10:23 PM
What if I told you that McAlpine is totally innocent of the allegations that have put out by a certain Mr Messham?

Not entirely suprised tbh, this whole Lard McAlpine suing left, right and centre thing has the distinct smell of distraction to it. If he was a really big player, he wouldn't have been pushed up front in the MSM the way he has this last week.

tameelf
23-11-2012, 10:23 PM
What if I told you that McAlpine is totally innocent of the allegations that have put out by a certain Mr Messham?

would not supprise me 1 bit i stopped following him on twitter when he anounced he was fed up and was going out for a walk seemed a bit ernest shackilton to me that along with the way the whole non nameing the man who outed himself .he may be inocent re messham but he wont go after our david will he

kevin
23-11-2012, 10:23 PM
What if I told you that McAlpine is totally innocent of the allegations that have put out by a certain Mr Messham?

This thread is about the truth, warts and all.
Kevin