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wakingthedead
22-11-2012, 04:18 PM
Below is a link to where JS great grandfather lived.. No 64 ..census in 1911 shows John Henry Savile 56 was a Superintendent Insurance Agent for the Friendly Society.

Plus he had been married to Jane Walker Savile (nee Wilson) for 34 years. They had 7 children but 2 had died. one daughter was still living with them. They were living in a house with 8 rooms, which did not included bathrooms in the total..so it was a big house. They also had a boarder living with them.

Interesting comment on image..seemingly JS was actually born at this house!

But in the 1911 census Vincent was living with Agnes at Bristol Road and was an Insurance Agent-Collector. No children yet only been married under a year

http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2003128_38277835&DISPLAY=FULL

phantom
22-11-2012, 04:20 PM
Also a letter was held up in view when looking at the documents. It seemed like the first paragraph was overlayed onto the paper. Cant remember what the document was about.

Hi Chilly.

I saw that too so I had another look and did a screen capture.

The story was about the Esther Rantzen letter to Jimmy Savile, thanking him for his contribution to a book for her charity, child line.

I watched the clip several times and it becomes clear that what we both saw as something looking suspicious, was in fact the fold line of the letter.

http://s11.postimage.org/h6ksh5h9v/Esther_Rantzen_letter_to_Savile.png

trafficker
22-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Hi Chilly.

I saw that too so I had another look and did a screen capture.

The story was about the Esther Rantzen letter to Jimmy Savile, thanking him for his contribution to a book for her charity, child line.

I watched the clip several times and it becomes clear that what we both saw as something looking suspicious, was in fact the fold line of the letter.

http://s11.postimage.org/h6ksh5h9v/Esther_Rantzen_letter_to_Savile.png


Thousands call everyday........i bet he knocked one out reding that

discovery77
22-11-2012, 04:24 PM
I see good old Cliff's in the Carribbean for a month now. Enjoying yourself Cliff?

Asked in a recent interview about his favourite song,..

"It's hard for me to pick one out, there's been so many; if somebody came from Mars and asked me what I do I would play them Devil Woman."


http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/7976549/Sir-Cliff-heads-to-NZ-in-New-Year

zx83b
22-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Great idea, classic. Will think of some others:)

Hmmm you know folks on here have been casting around for ways to spread the word, leaflets and such, but an image tells a thousand words (especially if captioned!), and a DIGITAL image can get to a lot of places, be seen by a lot of people.

And the battleground seems to be for the internet, so it would make sense to focus there. Psychopaths do hate to be ridiculed.

There's a lot of witty creative people here, what if we started some kind of McLaughpine thread filled with images/art that folks could pick and choose from to make their point or just post around if they like them.

It would certainly be a hell of a lot cheaper than leafleting....might be nice to include david's site address too for a bit of marketing.

What does everyone think?

klinker
22-11-2012, 04:25 PM
Have you changed your stance at all?

Nope.

heartbeatsalute
22-11-2012, 04:26 PM
Here are the two images taken from the Exposure program last night of Jimmy Savile and the Queen.

http://s14.postimage.org/l2ono2a5t/savile_and_queen.png

http://s10.postimage.org/4t8d5vteh/savile_and_queen_2.png

A link to the program Exposure.
http://fullepisode.info/exposure-update-the-jimmy-savile-investigation/

Excellent find phanthom!
As David Icke says, this goes all the way to the top.

eyesopened
22-11-2012, 04:27 PM
Hmmm you know folks on here have been casting around for ways to spread the word, leaflets and such, but an image tells a thousand words (especially if captioned!), and a DIGITAL image can get to a lot of places, be seen by a lot of people.

And the battleground seems to be for the internet, so it would make sense to focus there. Psychopaths do hate to be ridiculed.

There's a lot of witty creative people here, what if we started some kind of McLaughpine thread filled with images/art that folks could pick and choose from to make their point or just post around if they like them.

It would certainly be a hell of a lot cheaper than leafleting....might be nice to include david's site address too for a bit of marketing.

What does everyone think?

I was up for the leaflet thing, but it seems to gone quiet. Im looking to do a e mail to my contacts ( anlong the lines of the post by london needs a hero) getting them to pass it on if they after reading it/do some digging, feel there is more to the story than they are being told.
Re the pictures, im lousy with photo editing and dont really have the software, but will try,. Certainly add ideas to it, Can be a silly as the next person ( my type of humour)

a silly stunt
22-11-2012, 04:29 PM
Hi Chilly.

I saw that too so I had another look and did a screen capture.

The story was about the Esther Rantzen letter to Jimmy Savile, thanking him for his contribution to a book for her charity, child line.

I watched the clip several times and it becomes clear that what we both saw as something looking suspicious, was in fact the fold line of the letter.

http://s11.postimage.org/h6ksh5h9v/Esther_Rantzen_letter_to_Savile.png

______________


So now we see why she did SFA .....BITCH

protecting her own income ... he was keeping her in the high life with donations.

phantom
22-11-2012, 04:29 PM
I remember a while back on this thread a poster remarked that they could not find online a picture of Savile with the Queen and how important this might be. This came to mind during the program when a photo appeared from the stack of paperwork his assistant had showing Savile with HRH.

Well, now there are two pictures available of the Paedo and the queen.
Possible the only two online at the moment.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061152836&postcount=21288

fancellu
22-11-2012, 04:29 PM
Don't know if this has been posted, thread too long to check!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4658257/jimmy-savile-police-probe-slammed.html

zx83b
22-11-2012, 04:32 PM
Completley agree with your assessment of Rancid. I find it inconceivable that Savile or any of the others have never been reported to that line. I would also expect there to be procedures in place if someone important or in the public view got named.
Still though got an ( had so at the time but couldnt put my finger on it as to why) uneasy feeling about the article though. Maybe im being too suspicious but in light of the schofield/Macalpine/BBC story it just seems a little bit like that to me.

No! no! suspicious is great, we all pretty much agree rancid's a scumbag but we are still working out the details! :)

Gotta keep an open mind we might miss something!

discovery77
22-11-2012, 04:32 PM
Hmmm you know folks on here have been casting around for ways to spread the word, leaflets and such, but an image tells a thousand words (especially if captioned!), and a DIGITAL image can get to a lot of places, be seen by a lot of people.

And the battleground seems to be for the internet, so it would make sense to focus there. Psychopaths do hate to be ridiculed.

There's a lot of witty creative people here, what if we started some kind of McLaughpine thread filled with images/art that folks could pick and choose from to make their point or just post around if they like them.

It would certainly be a hell of a lot cheaper than leafleting....might be nice to include david's site address too for a bit of marketing.

What does everyone think?

Yes, love the idea.

I suspect some people got a bit disenchanted with the leaflet idea after the sue threat and also the mods perhaps understandably saying this wasn't the place to initiate it. Although kudos to them for then giving us some ideas afterwards! ;) (I've still been posting my own however).

This is a good idea I think and immediately effective.

klinker
22-11-2012, 04:35 PM
Well, now there are two pictures available of the Paedo and the queen.
Possible the only two online at the moment.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061152836&postcount=21288

Yep and they are pictures taken from stills of the photos shown in the exposure program shown last night but I guess you watched the hit piece.

discovery77
22-11-2012, 04:37 PM
Nope.

But how can you not have? Not being confrontationery, just baffled?:confused:

revlovejoy
22-11-2012, 04:37 PM
http://twitpic.com/bffoj0

Mcalpine wants 750 quid from tweeters who named him as a paedophile.

truthful
22-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Well put Whitehorse.

But will people ever wake up?

There has been enough evidence over the years of widespread police corruption, cover-ups, dodgy politicians and royals and nothing ever changes. It is nothing new.....

When Princess Diana died most people seemed to think (or at least the ones I spoke to) she'd been murdered but there were no protests.

When BLiar lied to this country about WMD and then launched the illegal invasion of Iraq with Bush people did nothing.

It seems that the majority in this country do not care that we are being ruled by thieves, nonces and war criminals.

The D-Notices over Dunblane and Operation Ore should've had people out on the streets but there was nothing, just chatter on the internet. TPTB know this and in a few years time it wil be something else and nowt wll change...

Sorry if i'm sounding defeatist but when I hear so many people saying this has opened their eyes I can't help but think 'well why this, why has it taken this to open your eyes'. God knows there's been enough over stuff that should've woken your eyes a long, long time ago :(

truthful
22-11-2012, 04:40 PM
Excellent post! I share your frustration and anger over this whole situation, In some ways i am as angry with the the 'public' as i am angry with this lowlife 'establishment' The message is simple folks, this 'establishment' and system that they have built is totally evil vile, and utterly unacceptable. So it is time for the human race to grow up, get a grip, and destroy and remove it all globally period.

How I wish that would happen.....

klinker
22-11-2012, 04:42 PM
No! no! suspicious is great, we all pretty much agree rancid's a scumbag but we are still working out the details! :)

I've been digging and there isn't much so far other than Ben Fellows saying he was 16 and at a celebs party. He says Rancid was there and he was being plied with drink and drugs and propositioned all night for sex by men and woman and passed out in the garden. There's also the woman who claims she told Rancid about rumours involving JS eighteen years ago and Rancid did nothing and denied knowledge later.


:confused:

oonalu
22-11-2012, 04:42 PM
I see good old Cliff's in the Carribbean for a month now. Enjoying yourself Cliff?

Asked in a recent interview about his favourite song,..

"It's hard for me to pick one out, there's been so many; if somebody came from Mars and asked me what I do I would play them Devil Woman."


http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/7976549/Sir-Cliff-heads-to-NZ-in-New-Year
8008




Reminds me i used to love that song Carribbean Queen by Billy Ocean

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 04:44 PM
A strange news report on South East Today, immediately before the Exposure programme.

Kate Winslet was at Buckingham Palace to receive an OBE or something from the Queen, and she did a little interview at the end, and managed to crowbar into it the fact that (I paraphrase) "all these people are helping children, protecting them online...."then onto something else. Did anyone else see this, I found it quite obvious after all the furore about "the dangers of the internet" in it's various guises over the last couple of weeks.

allseeingipod
22-11-2012, 04:44 PM
http://twitpic.com/bffoj0

Mcalpine wants 750 quid from tweeters who named him as a paedophile.

Reply to this letter should be 'see you in court then.'

nathan heller
22-11-2012, 04:47 PM
So, you are concluding that soemone bought the art for McAlpine without evidence? Where is the proof? :confused:

You are correct, my mistake, sorry.

I should have said it's possible he had someone who advised him on art to invest in. IF he did have an adviser on art it may be interesting to find out who this was.

phantom
22-11-2012, 04:49 PM
Yep and they are pictures taken from stills of the photos shown in the exposure program shown last night but I guess you watched the hit piece.

Yeah, I watched the shit piece whilst keeping an eye on Davids twitter page. I Thought I'd make a copy of the images because there does not seem to be any others of the paedo and the queen online.

Hopefully the originals will appear online soon. Along with others.

nathan heller
22-11-2012, 04:50 PM
Reply to this letter should be 'see you in court then.'

That would keep McAlpine in the public eye over the allegations for years!

thentherewere4
22-11-2012, 04:50 PM
Am I Being THICK HERE Or What?

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4215/nosmoke.jpg

Travis denies the statement -This isn't to do with kids. So what is the man saying?

He Knew About Saville's Abuse Of Children All Along But He Didn't Take Part....

Or Is Travis Really Saying He Didn't know About Saviles Abuse Of Children At The BBC All Those Years Ago But He Did Take Part in Child Sex Abuse?

To deny 'it isn't anything to do with kids' is to make the statement 'IT IS TO DO WITH KIDS'.

zx83b
22-11-2012, 04:50 PM
I was up for the leaflet thing, but it seems to gone quiet. Im looking to do a e mail to my contacts ( anlong the lines of the post by london needs a hero) getting them to pass it on if they after reading it/do some digging, feel there is more to the story than they are being told.
Re the pictures, im lousy with photo editing and dont really have the software, but will try,. Certainly add ideas to it, Can be a silly as the next person ( my type of humour)

Thats really interesting I'd forgotten the leaflet thing went quiet after mcgitface went all 'call me sue' discovery77 said the same.

What about images also posted WITHOUT captions but a space for people to add their own? after all, there's a reason why writers write and artists..er... art, the best result always seems to be when the two combine....just look at film credits.

Rolling caption contest for world weary free thinkers to vent their wit? could be fun and generate a bit of interest. Perhaps the moderators could pick the best for a slot on davids front page like he does sometimes with the dees illutrations stuff? not just mcslimebag but any person of issue that develops as things progress?.

nowdowntherabbithole
22-11-2012, 04:51 PM
+1
Yes the Mason link is important if not crucial. They have been named twice by different people involved. Need to keep digging that also.

This article, from 'Rebecca' is important, shows the extent of masonic involvement in that tribunal and the subsequent libel trial. I don't think that this particular article has been posted before. If it has..............sorry !

http://www.rebeccatelevision.com/articles/mason_free_01

eyesopened
22-11-2012, 04:52 PM
Sorry if i'm sounding defeatist but when I hear so many people saying this has opened their eyes I can't help but think 'well why this, why has it taken this to open your eyes'. God knows there's been enough over stuff that should've woken your eyes a long, long time ago :(

Your right. For a long time that was me, yep, knew the offical version of events didnt add up, maybe did a little digging myself, found alternative media sources. However and it is defeatist to some extent. It was ok, so they lied, its wrong, but what can you do, they will get away with it as always. Thus you get on with your daily life and further distrust of the MSM and people who ruile over us.
The Savile/elite peadophile rings for me was and is different. for some reason it stuck a chord with me ( Child abuse is one of those things that people feel really strongly about) . I thought ( still do) that with all that was being uneartherd the bad guys would pay and the truth will come out. Not just some dead DJ or some has been 70s pop star but the main players. I want the truth to come out on this. I dont think all of it will come out as there is too much at stake ( it could really bring down our society if everything documented here was 100% proven) but I think enough will come out that could lead to a change for the good.

discovery77
22-11-2012, 04:53 PM
Am I Being THICK HERE Or What?

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4215/nosmoke.jpg

Travis denies the statement -This isn't to do with kids. So what is the man saying?

He Knew About Saville's Abuse Of Children All Along But He Didn't Take Part....

Or Is Travis Really Saying He Didn't know About Saviles Abuse Of Children At The BBC All Those Years Ago But He Did Take Part in Child Sex Abuse?

To deny 'it isn't anything to do with kids' is to make the statement 'IT IS TO DO WITH KIDS'.

Yes, or, 'Im guilty of groping, but not groping kids'.

eyesopened
22-11-2012, 04:54 PM
Thats really interesting I'd forgotten the leaflet thing went quiet after mcgitface went all 'call me sue' discovery77 said the same.

What about images also posted WITHOUT captions but a space for people to add their own? after all, there's a reason why writers write and artists..er... art, the best result always seems to be when the two combine....just look at film credits.

Rolling caption contest for world weary free thinkers to vent their wit? could be fun and generate a bit of interest. Perhaps the moderators could pick the best for a slot on davids front page like he does sometimes with the dees illutrations stuff? not just mcslimebag but any person of issue that develops as things progress?.

Yep that sounds a good idea. first select the appropriate photos, then the captions.

obliette
22-11-2012, 04:55 PM
http://twitpic.com/bffoj0

Mcalpine wants 750 quid from tweeters who named him as a paedophile.

Did someone say there are about 10,000 tweeters involved? That means an administrative fee of £2.5 million - WTF???? :confused::mad:

klinker
22-11-2012, 04:56 PM
But how can you not have? Not being confrontationery, just baffled?:confused:

I'm not going there again and it is irrelevant anyway. :)

trafficker
22-11-2012, 04:57 PM
Last week quite a few posters were discussing distributing printed-off leaflets, is that idea still going? I haven't seen any mention of it lately.


Yeah, I did offer my help on this.....but I think we need to have pub meet or something to plan part 2 of our operation paedo cull

eyesopened
22-11-2012, 04:58 PM
Reply to this letter should be 'see you in court then.'

Cant see it working. who has £750 quid to spare just like that out of all those twits. Think its a bluff of some sorts.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 04:59 PM
You are correct, my mistake, sorry.

I should have said it's possible he had someone who advised him on art to invest in. IF he did have an adviser on art it may be interesting to find out who this was.

yeah jonathan king :D

marlowe
22-11-2012, 05:00 PM
.Max Cliffords available for pantomime folks..


Oh no he isn't!

phantom
22-11-2012, 05:02 PM
I was up for the leaflet thing, but it seems to gone quiet. Im looking to do a e mail to my contacts ( anlong the lines of the post by london needs a hero) getting them to pass it on if they after reading it/do some digging, feel there is more to the story than they are being told.
Re the pictures, im lousy with photo editing and dont really have the software, but will try,. Certainly add ideas to it, Can be a silly as the next person ( my type of humour)

Here's one I threw together while the subject was being brought up.
(The background image is not mine, I poached it off images)

If I lived in the UK I would be happy to get a travel pass and leave a few on the seats on buses and the underground.

http://s7.postimage.org/xf262xgyj/Untitled_1.gif

a silly stunt
22-11-2012, 05:03 PM
Oh no he isn't!



Oooh yes he is !


hes behind you :eek:

real_jimmyjones
22-11-2012, 05:05 PM
Did someone say there are about 10,000 tweeters involved? That means an administrative fee of £2.5 million - WTF???? :confused::mad:

I would like to ask a question. Though I did not mention any names on Twitter, if I get one of 'the' letters, should I just write back to them and say, 'as I was in a North Wales Care Home at the time of the allegations could I have my day in court please?' Where would I stand with that?

zx83b
22-11-2012, 05:05 PM
I've been digging and there isn't much so far other than Ben Fellows saying he was 16 and at a celebs party. He says Rancid was there and he was being plied with drink and drugs and propositioned all night for sex by men and woman and passed out in the garden. There's also the woman who claims she told Rancid about rumours involving JS eighteen years ago and Rancid did nothing and denied knowledge later.


:confused:

Yes, there was other intriguing stuff too, some folks from her neck of the woods in the new forest area posted, (NEW FOREST! where she has her parties at her home BLOOD OAKS FARM look up blood oaks, vampire trees creepy as hell).

She's getting in with the local MP forget his name and meddling in local laws, he was a guest of hers, along with the other movers and shakers in the area, stinks real bad, whether or not she plays with these scumbags directly she certainly has the MO of one of them.

hangthedj
22-11-2012, 05:06 PM
Thats really interesting I'd forgotten the leaflet thing went quiet after mcgitface went all 'call me sue' discovery77 said the same.

What about images also posted WITHOUT captions but a space for people to add their own? after all, there's a reason why writers write and artists..er... art, the best result always seems to be when the two combine....just look at film credits.

Rolling caption contest for world weary free thinkers to vent their wit? could be fun and generate a bit of interest. Perhaps the moderators could pick the best for a slot on davids front page like he does sometimes with the dees illutrations stuff? not just mcslimebag but any person of issue that develops as things progress?.

Brilliant idea - do it please!

eyesopened
22-11-2012, 05:06 PM
Oooh yes he is !


hes behind you :eek:


Ok ( and mods delete if you think its going off topic)
but related to the picture and caption agnle, its Panto season... Maybe some panto pics with certain people superimposed heads on them. The big bad wolf springs to mind.

revlovejoy
22-11-2012, 05:06 PM
Cant see it working. who has £750 quid to spare just like that out of all those twits. Think its a bluff of some sorts.


http://www.rmpi.co.uk

Seems like twitter has to hand itself in AND then pay up.

marlowe
22-11-2012, 05:06 PM
£125 000 payout from ITV for McAlpine. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr


What for? They didn't name him. The names on the list were not visible. So, why?

eyesopened
22-11-2012, 05:09 PM
Here's one I threw together while the subject was being brought up.
(The background image is not mine, I poached it off images)

If I lived in the UK I would be happy to get a travel pass and leave a few on the seats on buses and the underground.

http://s7.postimage.org/xf262xgyj/Untitled_1.gif]

looks good. If its ok with you , I will take a few of those bullet points for the e mail im drafting for my contacts.

discovery77
22-11-2012, 05:10 PM
This article, from 'Rebecca' is important, shows the extent of masonic involvement in that tribunal and the subsequent libel trial. I don't think that this particular article has been posted before. If it has..............sorry !

http://www.rebeccatelevision.com/articles/mason_free_01

Thanks for that, dont think it has but I may have missed it.

Regarding the Waterhouse enquiry, I just wanted to mention something, don't know if already been analysed in detail already. But someone linked to Mammon's blog the other day, one of the abused at Bryn Estyn, publshed 19 November. They were asking for copies of the newspaper involved.

http://ynysmam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/mc-who.html?spref=tw

In it he publishes a scanned copy of this list of the abusers named in the Waterhouse enquiry.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gwU4_OVT6kg/UKr2EXhFV4I/AAAAAAAAAPE/FU9vU9L3bJo/s1600/cuttingsevil.JPG

Am I right in thinking these are the dates of birth of the accused and some names are crossed out because it was in 'public interest' not to name them in the Waterhouse enquiry? If so is it because they were politicians?? Would it be worth researching birthdates? I know this doesn't neccessarily prove anything, but it may be interesting?

Just saying, because some of those birthdates are also those of Tony McNulty labour Mp, Mo Mowlam and a Canadian MP and dignitary? Not implying anything, just an observation
EDIT - and why is one of the crossed out birthdates 'n/k, ('not known')?

allseeingipod
22-11-2012, 05:11 PM
I would like to ask a question. Though I did not mention any names on Twitter, if I get one of 'the' letters, should I just write back to them and say, 'as I was in a North Wales Care Home at the time of the allegations could I have my day in court please?' Where would I stand with that?

I think we can safely say they wouldn't take you to court ;)

Would I be right in thinking you know a little about Lord McAlpine?

brontide
22-11-2012, 05:12 PM
Is McAlpine's solicitor also planning to sue Messham?

Is he planning to sue the police for giving Messham Alistair McAlpine's name?

gobsmackedmum
22-11-2012, 05:13 PM
Just thought I would share this so you can see why the DM is the most visited MSM site in the world. This is NOT what we get to see in the UK and Without the URL I had never actually found it before from links on the UK site.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

To my mind, this begins to explain the slightly schizo nature of DM. The writers (should they be called journos?) are often covering stories for a totally different audience and in the Uk we get "bleed through" from other versions to fill column inches.

klinker
22-11-2012, 05:14 PM
Yes, there was other intriguing stuff too, some folks from her neck of the woods in the new forest area posted, (NEW FOREST! where she has her parties at her home BLOOD OAKS FARM look up blood oaks, vampire trees creepy as hell).

She's getting in with the local MP forget his name and meddling in local laws, he was a guest of hers, along with the other movers and shakers in the area, stinks real bad, whether or not she plays with these scumbags directly she certainly has the MO of one of them.

Thanks for that. I've mentioned elsewhere why I'm interested in her. Somebody else here threw in a few gems about Childline and merging with NSPCC and the amount if money they generate etc. Be nice to do some digging there.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 05:14 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/17/article-2218956-158340C9000005DC-520_634x395.jpg

husband looks a bit iffy...

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article89851.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/image-4-for-the-real-jimmy-saville-gallery-984847264.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/4863/image5fortherealjimmysa.jpg

wasnt it a yellow one he had?

zx83b
22-11-2012, 05:15 PM
Here's one I threw together while the subject was being brought up.
(The background image is not mine, I poached it off images)

If I lived in the UK I would be happy to get a travel pass and leave a few on the seats on buses and the underground.

http://s7.postimage.org/xf262xgyj/Untitled_1.gif

Thats great :) and you could post it onto forums too if you wished. It would rather FOCUS everyone.

hangthedj
22-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Here are the two images taken from the Exposure program last night of Jimmy Savile and the Queen.

http://s14.postimage.org/l2ono2a5t/savile_and_queen.png

http://s10.postimage.org/4t8d5vteh/savile_and_queen_2.png

A link to the program Exposure.
http://fullepisode.info/exposure-update-the-jimmy-savile-investigation/

Many thanks for this, and fuck me look at Savile's expression in that first pic as he looks at the queen :eek:

trafficker
22-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Is McAlpine's solicitor also planning to sue Messham?

Is he planning to sue the police for giving Messham Alistair McAlpine's name?

+1

SUE ME DO ME JEW ME..........a song form michael jackson

phantom
22-11-2012, 05:19 PM
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looks good. If its ok with you , I will take a few of those bullet points for the e mail im drafting for my contacts.

Be my guest!

Once I get my photoshop working properly again, I will look back at some of the suggestions for the flyers and leaflets then put a few more together and post them here.

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 05:19 PM
Here's one I threw together while the subject was being brought up.
(The background image is not mine, I poached it off images)

If I lived in the UK I would be happy to get a travel pass and leave a few on the seats on buses and the underground.

http://s7.postimage.org/xf262xgyj/Untitled_1.gif


Start by getting it out there as a Facebook group. NOW, straightaway. Leaflets are an idea yes, but this is 2012, people have their heads stuck in Facebook and Twitter, if you can't get their eyes off Facebook and Twitter, then get the information in front of their eyes. I run a business, and have to advertise where I think people are looking. I can't rely on them somehow stumbling across my company on a website, or on the inside of a magazine. They might ignore it on FB or Twitter, but they'll definitely ignore it if they don't see it.

brontide
22-11-2012, 05:19 PM
Many thanks for this, and fuck me look at Savile's expression in that first pic as he looks at the queen :eek:

Very odd.

I'm also curious about the 'emblem' on his tie.

oldp
22-11-2012, 05:23 PM
I would like to ask a question. Though I did not mention any names on Twitter, if I get one of 'the' letters, should I just write back to them and say, 'as I was in a North Wales Care Home at the time of the allegations could I have my day in court please?' Where would I stand with that?

Maybe you should ask the method of payment preferred by his lordship.

Cash, cheque or pornographic pictures of children (as he's fresh out of them).

trafficker
22-11-2012, 05:24 PM
THE best friend of disgraced paedophile Jimmy Savile has claimed scores of alleged child abuse victims “threw themselves” at the TV legend.

Janet Cope, the star’s personal assistant for 28 years, slammed his accusers as nothing more than celebrity-obsessed attention seekers motivated by money.

She refused to accept the star was guilty of any of the child abuse claims, including accusations he molested disabled children at a string of charity events.

Speaking at her home in Aylesbury, Bucks, last night, Janet, 70, said: “I saw nothing at all and that is what makes me so cross. Why have all these people shut up for 40 years? I just think they are jumping on the bandwagon. I think they know what money is.

“You’re looking at the 1960s in most of these instances. Back then I was a young thing. I thought nothing of having a quick snog behind the bike shed with a boy and I think that is what half of this is.

“I think a lot of them are fabricated. I never saw it. I worked very closely with him and I never saw a thing. He knew his reputation was at stake. I will defend him.”

Loyal Janet, who was given away by the star at her 1990 wedding, also denied suggestions he might have abused disabled children along with patients at Broadmoor.

The one-time PA, who used to reply to Savile’s letters, clean his homes, do his washing, cook his meals and even drive the star around, said: “I went to Broadmoor and I saw how it was operated, so no. He had the chance to do it because he had a set of keys but I would be very, very, very surprised if that happened. You know people suddenly become fanciful when something like this happens.

“They think, ‘Oh, I’ll have a little bit of this, I’ll say I was groped or something’, when all that happened was he put his arm around you and had a photograph taken.”

Janet, who met Savile while doing charity work at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in 1971, also suggested the reason the star was often pictured with young women was because he thought it helped preserve his youthful image.

She said: “It was only because it was good for his image to have a young girl on his arm. He said when you get older nobody wants you, so to preserve the image of a young DJ or whatever he was, he kept beside the young people, or teenagers. I took no notice.

“These kids throw themselves at celebrities, the celebrities don’t go looking for it. Just look at Justin Bieber and One Direction.” But despite defending her former boss, Janet also spoke of the star’s manipulative personality which she says led to her being sacked in 1999.

She added: “If he wanted a new MRI scanner at the hospital he would go to the top man and say I want this, this and this, and in return I want this from you.

“He manipulated people. He got what he wanted and in return they got what they wanted. It was free advertising.

“I know that Jimmy Savile was very manipulative – a control freak and you didn’t mess with him.

“He would use it as a weapon, absolutely. I saw it many times.”

Talking about being given the boot, Janet said: “One day I said, ‘What it is Jim, is that you’re sitting in Leeds with the gun and I’m pulling the trigger down at Stoke Mandeville’. He went ballistic.

“He thought I was getting a bit smart, which I was because I had learned a lot from him, an awful lot.”

COP that

trafficker
22-11-2012, 05:27 PM
THE former police officer who unmasked Jimmy Savile as a paedophile left the showbiz world quaking last night when he warned that more arrests will follow.

Criminologist Mark Williams-Thomas, whose shock ITV1 documentary last month exposed the late Jim’ll Fix It star, said the “tide has turned” against child abusers.

Mr Williams-Thomas, pictured above, a former Surrey Police child protection officer, said he still had lots of unscreened “sad and compelling” detail left over from his exposé on Savile.

And he warned future arrests would include “known people of significant standing”.

He is filming a second Exposure documentary for ITV1 and plans to unmask more celebs. (where was this, he wasnt even in it)

But PR guru Max Clifford said a lot of showbiz names were worried about being dragged into the investigation simply because they appeared on TV alongside Savile.

He said: “In the 1960s and 1970s just about every major pop star appeared on Top Of The Pops. Many of them met Jimmy Savile even if it was just to say hello to.

“Many times Jimmy would come up to stars, often with young girls saying: ‘Will you have a picture taken?’

“Now they’re asking: ‘Am I suddenly going to be named because there’s a picture of me with Jimmy Savile?’

“The problem is if you’re a star, just by having your name mentioned in connection with Jimmy Savile or Gary Glitter you could be damaged.

“It is a situation which could easily turn into a witch-hunt.

“A lot of big stars are frightened. Where is it going to end?”

He spoke out as comedian Freddie Starr spent a second day being questioned by police from Operation Yewtree, set up to investigate claims that Savile sexually assaulted at least 300 people over six decades.

Starr, 69, was arrested on suspicion of “sexual offences” on Thursday. He was quizzed for seven hours.

He returned yesterday afternoon for another grilling by members of the 30-strong police squad probing claims “involving living people” linked to shamed Savile, who died last year, aged 84.

To keep a low profile Starr covered himself in a pile of fiancée Sophie Lea’s clothing as he sat in the car.

Sophie, 34, who gave birth to Starr’s baby daughter earlier this year, was at the wheel of his £50,000 silver Audi just before lunchtime yesterday.

A spokesman for the Met Police said: “The man who was arrested and released on bail has returned to the police station and is currently being interviewed.”

Starr was released again on bail last night.

Last weekend 70s glam rocker Gary Glitter, 68, was questioned for 10 hours by detectives from the same taskforce before being released on bail.

Both men were accused by Savile victim Karin Ward, who waived her right to anonymity by appearing in Mr Williams-Thomas’s TV documentary.

Starr and Glitter, real name Paul Gadd, each vehemently deny the allegations.

But Mr Williams-Thomas, who was yesterday in Savile’s home city of Leeds filming a follow-up, tweeted: “The tide has turned for many victims.

“Strength to now disclose historic sexual abuse. There should be some worried people & rightly so. To confirm the arrest of Freddie Starr is directly related to Op Yewtree and Savile investigation.

“More arrests in due course. Huge relief for his victims in many ways.”

According to sources a top TV comedian and radio DJ are among those under the police spotlight. New claims of sexual harassment against serving BBC staff have emerged within the past few days. Nine employees are already under investigation.

Police were yesterday guarding the gates of Starr’s £900,000 mansion near Studley, Warks. The Daily Star can reveal the comic has put the house up for sale. While Starr, real name is Frederick Fowell, was in custody, forensic teams searched boxes and bags in the garage.

Items including dozens of DVDs were seized and put into evidence bags before being loaded into a white police van and taken away.

Ms Ward, now 54, first named Starr to BBC’s Newsnight reporters last year for its now notorious investigation that was never broadcast. In Mr Williams-Thomas’s document-ary she alleged Starr groped her in Savile’s dressing room when she was 14.

She told the show: “I was horribly, horribly humiliated by Freddie Starr, who had a very bad attack of wandering hands and had groped me.”

Afterwards Starr insisted: “I’ve never touched an under-age girl in my life.”

trafficker
22-11-2012, 05:29 PM
PRINCE Charles wants to know why no-one told him child sex beast Jimmy Savile was a Palace perv.

The Jim’ll Fix It host used to give royal secretaries “arm-tremblers” when he popped in to see the prince in the late 1980s.

Former royal aide Dickie Arbiter revealed Savile would “curl out” his bottom lip and “run it up” the bare arms of young women in the palace typing pool.

Mr Arbiter, 72, who handled media relations for the Queen between 1988 and 2000, told Savile he was an “old reprobate”.

Savile brushed off the jibe by joking: “Not so much of the old!”

But senior royals have been upset since the late DJ was exposed as a sexual predator suspected of abusing more than 300 people over six decades.

A 30-strong team of detectives set up to probe Savile’s crimes and hunt down living accomplices is chasing 400 separate lines of inquiry.

They include claims by Labour MP Tom Watson that a historic child sex ring was linked to No 10.

Royals want to know why no-one tipped them off about Savile.

The star visited Prince Charles’s official London residence St James’s Palace several times and acted as an unofficial marriage counsellor between him and Diana, Princess Of Wales.

He even suggested the warring couple should visit a flood area together to end rumours of a rift. Senior royals fear a member of staff could come forward claiming to be one of Savile’s victims.

One palace aide said the royals see the lapse in passing on information as incompetency by security services.

“The Palace have been on to the security services to see why they were not told,” said the aide.

“The Queen, Philip, Charles and others want to know why no-one picked up a phone to tell them a child abuser was being allowed in to royal homes and meeting with senior royals and their families.

"As Savile had such regular access they are also bracing themselves that some royal household employee could come forward saying they were abused by him and they will be brought into the mess too.

“When Diana was separated from Charles, and living with William and Harry, Savile virtually had an open door.

“All that time the police knew about his proclivities.

“The Palace have been on to the security and intelligence people who say it’s nothing to do with us, it’s the police.

“But they have people living with the royals night and day so it’s their incompetence.

“Someone should have picked up the phone.’’

Mr Arbiter said: “He would walk into the office and do the rounds of the young ladies taking their hands and rubbing his lips all the way up their arms if they were wearing short sleeves.

“I looked at him as a court jester and told him so,’’ he said.

There is no suggestion Savile committed any crimes on royal premises.

A spokesman for the Prince of Wales said: “We have no record of anyone making a complaint. The prince first met Savile through their shared interest in supporting disability charities and it was primarily because of this connection that they maintained a relationship in the years that followed.’’

hangthedj
22-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Very, very interesting, but links please trafficker?

brontide
22-11-2012, 05:33 PM
For someone who was sacked on the spot, Janet Cope seemed to have been able to amass a great deal of documents, letters and photos very quickly.

If you're sacked on the spot for no reason after over 3 decades with an employer and given just £1500, wouldn't you see an employment lawyer?

If you're sacked on the spot, you're normally escorted off the premises there and then and not allowed to take anything with you.

Cope was based at Stoke Mandeville, i.e. NHS offices. Who met these costs? Who equipped the office? Was this done at tax payers' expense?

white horse
22-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Very odd.

I'm also curious about the 'emblem' on his tie.

I think that's a medal round his neck.

Probs not a Jim'll Fix It badge!

truthful
22-11-2012, 05:37 PM
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2003/jun/23bcivil.htm

Oh I know it goes back further than Thatcher but I refered to her as I was 19in 1979 and therefore an adult only just before Thatcher came to power so i'm speaking on what has taken place in my adulthood.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 05:37 PM
Very, very interesting, but links please trafficker?

sorry usually do put links but forgot...its from the star newspaper website...i will amend my posts later

lacarda58
22-11-2012, 05:39 PM
PRINCE Charles wants to know why no-one told him child sex beast Jimmy Savile was a Palace perv.

The Jim’ll Fix It host used to give royal secretaries “arm-tremblers” when he popped in to see the prince in the late 1980s.

Former royal aide Dickie Arbiter revealed Savile would “curl out” his bottom lip and “run it up” the bare arms of young women in the palace typing pool.

Mr Arbiter, 72, who handled media relations for the Queen between 1988 and 2000, told Savile he was an “old reprobate”.

Savile brushed off the jibe by joking: “Not so much of the old!”

But senior royals have been upset since the late DJ was exposed as a sexual predator suspected of abusing more than 300 people over six decades.

A 30-strong team of detectives set up to probe Savile’s crimes and hunt down living accomplices is chasing 400 separate lines of inquiry.

They include claims by Labour MP Tom Watson that a historic child sex ring was linked to No 10.

Royals want to know why no-one tipped them off about Savile.

The star visited Prince Charles’s official London residence St James’s Palace several times and acted as an unofficial marriage counsellor between him and Diana, Princess Of Wales.

He even suggested the warring couple should visit a flood area together to end rumours of a rift. Senior royals fear a member of staff could come forward claiming to be one of Savile’s victims.

One palace aide said the royals see the lapse in passing on information as incompetency by security services.

“The Palace have been on to the security services to see why they were not told,” said the aide.

“The Queen, Philip, Charles and others want to know why no-one picked up a phone to tell them a child abuser was being allowed in to royal homes and meeting with senior royals and their families.

"As Savile had such regular access they are also bracing themselves that some royal household employee could come forward saying they were abused by him and they will be brought into the mess too.

“When Diana was separated from Charles, and living with William and Harry, Savile virtually had an open door.

“All that time the police knew about his proclivities.

“The Palace have been on to the security and intelligence people who say it’s nothing to do with us, it’s the police.

“But they have people living with the royals night and day so it’s their incompetence.

“Someone should have picked up the phone.’’

Mr Arbiter said: “He would walk into the office and do the rounds of the young ladies taking their hands and rubbing his lips all the way up their arms if they were wearing short sleeves.

“I looked at him as a court jester and told him so,’’ he said.

There is no suggestion Savile committed any crimes on royal premises.

A spokesman for the Prince of Wales said: “We have no record of anyone making a complaint. The prince first met Savile through their shared interest in supporting disability charities and it was primarily because of this connection that they maintained a relationship in the years that followed.’’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1085883/The-royal-gigolo-Edwina-Mountbatten-sued-claims-affair-black-singer-Paul-Robeson-But-truth-outrageous-.html

The Lord Chief Justice's court opened its doors at the unprecedented hour of 9.30am on that July day in 1932 to enable an earth-shakingly intimate and sensational libel action to be heard - in effect, in camera - before newspaper reporters even got to hear that it was happening

The plaintiff in the action was Britain's richest and most publicised heiress, the bisexual Lady Louis Mountbatten, afterwards Countess Mountbatten of Burma and the last Vicereine of India.


Follow the link for the full article

andiliz
22-11-2012, 05:39 PM
Tavistick goes well back, and their remit was/is social engineering

Music

Books

Magazines

Tee vee

Now it is

Internet

Facebook

Twitter

Etc

All linked

All designed to shape each generation...

Alan Watt
Also radio I guess as well? How about live events that people go to like the theatre or sports events and music festivals? And computer games? And fashion?

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 05:40 PM
In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org.

Searching for images on google for McAlp, at the bottom of the page, this message is showing. Ive never seen it before. I tried adding other words after his name and sometimes more notices of legal request and removals are being shown.
I did find it weird not to be finding any joke pictures on this nonce. Is his lawyers attacking google also ?

http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=682562

trafficker
22-11-2012, 05:40 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/15/article-0-157F343E000005DC-638_306x423.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Edwina_currie_nightingale_house_cropped.jpg/220px-Edwina_currie_nightingale_house_cropped.jpg

discovery77
22-11-2012, 05:42 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/15/article-0-157F343E000005DC-638_306x423.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Edwina_currie_nightingale_house_cropped.jpg/220px-Edwina_currie_nightingale_house_cropped.jpg

Hehehe :D

green_butterfly
22-11-2012, 05:42 PM
I would like to ask a question. Though I did not mention any names on Twitter, if I get one of 'the' letters, should I just write back to them and say, 'as I was in a North Wales Care Home at the time of the allegations could I have my day in court please?' Where would I stand with that?

Ha ha ha ha ha brilliant :)

truthful
22-11-2012, 05:42 PM
I can't agree with you here. The Krays are a mainly a media construct. There are bigger players from the East End and London than them. The Krays were limited in what they could organise. More like street hustlers than serious players.

I am taking an interest in Maxwell Joseph. He is an East End lad from Whitechapel who made "good". Among his many holdings at various times were Dolphin Square, Mecca, William Hill bookmakers.

He was knighted during the Thatcher years.

http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/31295

I'm talking gangsters not business men.

gobsmackedmum
22-11-2012, 05:42 PM
Has anyone looked into website grabbers to backup/copy/archive data?

I used one 10+ years ago and they allow you to copy a website, or part of a website, and store it locally on your computer for off-line viewing. This would be ideal for saving pages that are being deleted by TPTB.

I will research and try to find a free one that's simple to use when I have the time!!! (Finally some research I CAN do)

But for starters look here...

http://download.cnet.com/1770-20_4-0.html?query=website+grabber&searchtype=downloads

Try httrack http://www.httrack.com/

zx83b
22-11-2012, 05:47 PM
Ok ( and mods delete if you think its going off topic)
but related to the picture and caption agnle, its Panto season... Maybe some panto pics with certain people superimposed heads on them. The big bad wolf springs to mind.

Oh yeah:), panto, perfect fertile ground for mirth what a wonderful captain hook mcpedo would make, perhaps with david as the ticking crocodile!!

Ok I think a captioning imagey type thread might work, I'll start something if no one else is and we'll see how it plays ummm better start it with a few gags and blank caption ready images to pump prime it.....I can do that (couple of days), folks can add their own stuff and define the threads direction from there..if there's an interest. That ok by everyone?

hoverfly
22-11-2012, 05:48 PM
LOL! thanks guy's, credit goes to whitehorse for the concept, who mentioned david is standing up to mcpedo clint style. It was such a great posting I had to give it a visual :)

Well in my opinion zx83b, with talent like that, your an ideal candidate to get to work on the flyer campaign.

Perhaps in conjunction with'London-Needs-A-Hero' for the wording.

Go on, go on, go on, go on

:D

chuchichastli
22-11-2012, 05:48 PM
:eek:

Just seen the exposure programme...what about that letter from the Scottish Information Office addressed to Admiral Savile?!?!?

Admiral Savile? Who the fuck made him an admiral? :confused::mad:

P.S. Anyone notice the picture being shown of Vile in a sailor's costume shaking hands with (presumably) 'another' Admiral?

The name of the boat behind them was 'Jura'. Also 'Best Wishes from your Haggis friend' and the date 27 August 1981 on the letter.

Ring any bells with anyone? Could this clue be significant? My quick googling drew a blank...

white horse
22-11-2012, 05:49 PM
Is McAlpine's solicitor also planning to sue Messham?

Is he planning to sue the police for giving Messham Alistair McAlpine's name?

FcAlpine looks like he is planning on suing the internet.

obliette
22-11-2012, 05:49 PM
Did anyone notice the look on Princess Di's face in the clips on the exposure prog - she looked like she could barely stand to be in the same room as JS (or perhaps that was hubby :D)

Is someone able to do screencaps?

northernlass
22-11-2012, 05:49 PM
Cant see it working. who has £750 quid to spare just like that out of all those twits. Think its a bluff of some sorts.
we should sue the bbc
"dear mctwat
I was shocked and scandalised when i saw what bbc had tweeted, so shocked that i then retweeted said tweet. however when bbc apologised to you i was then again scandalised. I feel abused too by the bbc and am sueing them for £185,000
when I recieve my money i shall be donating my money to those victims of the care homes who were abused, maybe you could let me send the £750 to them too ?
Miss Scandalised:p

zx83b
22-11-2012, 05:50 PM
In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org.

Searching for images on google for McAlp, at the bottom of the page, this message is showing. Ive never seen it before. I tried adding other words after his name and sometimes more notices of legal request and removals are being shown.
I did find it weird not to be finding any joke pictures on this nonce. Is his lawyers attacking google also ?

http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=682562

Holy crap :eek: that IS interesting, I'll look into that, check some other search engines too........

trafficker
22-11-2012, 05:51 PM
what was janet copes name before marriage?

cant find details of marriage on leeds registry

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 05:55 PM
:eek:

Just seen the exposure programme...what about that letter from the Scottish Information Office addressed to Admiral Savile?!?!?

Admiral Savile? Who the fuck made him an admiral? :confused::mad:

P.S. Anyone notice the picture being shown of Vile in a sailor's costume shaking hands with (presumably) 'another' Admiral?

The name of the boat behind them was 'Jura'. Also 'Best Wishes from your Haggis friend' and a date in 1991 on the letter.

Ring any bells with anyone? Could this clue be significant? My quick googling drew a blank...

Im sure the boat should have been called "Juran" as in.....Jimmy U R A Nonce :D

white horse
22-11-2012, 05:55 PM
awesomley agree, and here's the proof, david's been calling his bluff and I'm sure he'd have told us if he had a letter from these asshats, but so far nada, mcpedo seems to be pretending he isnt there.....

http://cool-creative.co.uk/McAlpine_Icke01.jpg

I have a hunch David might have a lot to say in court, ANYONE'S court as a witness for the defence where mcpedo is trying to cash in and slime out of his pedophile crimes :)

Haha that is feckin awesome! I had to trawl backwards a few pages to find what people were refering to!

Kudos! :)

(I knew you'd all know who I meant by 'Clint' ;) )

chuchichastli
22-11-2012, 05:57 PM
Im sure the boat should have been called "Juran" as in.....Jimmy U R A Nonce :D

Apologies I edited since your cut & paste, date was 27 Aug 1981. just for the record! (I'm hoping the name of the boat and the date, which were visible, may be clues from the documentary's producers whose hands may be tied about some information they wish to be 'out there'...

salamander
22-11-2012, 05:58 PM
Yeah, I did offer my help on this.....but I think we need to have pub meet or something to plan part 2 of our operation paedo cull

Yes I'm still up for it... not good to talk tactics on here tho... fuck alone knows who's reading...

stickwhistler
22-11-2012, 05:59 PM
Holy crap :eek: that IS interesting, I'll look into that, check some other search engines too........

Don't forget the Wayback Machine at http://archive.org/web/web.php
Browse through over 150 billion web pages archived from 1996 to a few months ago.

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 05:59 PM
what was janet copes name before marriage?

cant find details of marriage on leeds registry

It was MI55 Shedhoarder.......;)

zx83b
22-11-2012, 05:59 PM
Well in my opinion zx83b, with talent like that, your an ideal candidate to get to work on the flyer campaign.

Perhaps in conjunction with'London-Needs-A-Hero' for the wording.

Go on, go on, go on, go on

:D

Okay then done, Ill get started on it, many thanks for that hoverfly et al :)

margery_bruce
22-11-2012, 06:00 PM
Gael ‏@GaeMar01
Who is investigating the link between McAlpine Tory donor Nadir (Cyprus) and the death of co-editor Scallywag Wilson on Cyprus w photos?
Retweeted by Outlaw

trafficker
22-11-2012, 06:01 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ZYtkrplD7c/0.jpg

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 06:03 PM
Bottom of this page....4 requests for removal
His lawyers are busy as fuck
I typed in Lord Mcalpine paedo.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lord+mcalpine&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=eiH&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=JWiuUICyIqiT0QXH-4HAAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1366&bih=638#hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=0Nc&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=lord+mcalpine+paedo&oq=lord+mcalpine+&gs_l=img.1.0.0j0i24l9.32697.32697.0.34926.1.1.0.0. 0.0.122.122.0j1.1.0.crnk_timediscountb..0.0...1c.1 ._Xy1armXEWQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=7df83e3e8bb33daa&bpcl=38897761&biw=1366&bih=638

real_jimmyjones
22-11-2012, 06:03 PM
@GaeMar01: Who is investigating the link between McAlpine Tory donor Nadir (Cyprus) and the death of co-editor Scallywag Wilson on Cyprus w photos?

Via Twitter

zx83b
22-11-2012, 06:04 PM
Don't forget the Wayback Machine at http://archive.org/web/web.php
Browse through over 150 billion web pages archived from 1996 to a few months ago.

The way back machin's handy for us inquisitive reasearchy folk, but I'm a bit concerned that regular folk might be cut out of the possibility of being exposed to alternative imagery.

Also if it becomes apparent that the bastard's got at google to sanitize himself via censorship thats beeeg news........and I'd want to know.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 06:06 PM
Gael ‏@GaeMar01
Who is investigating the link between McAlpine Tory donor Nadir (Cyprus) and the death of co-editor Scallywag Wilson on Cyprus w photos?
Retweeted by Outlaw


allegedly nadir got the gossip on a few of them

white horse
22-11-2012, 06:09 PM
Taken from:

theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/mcalpines-begging-letter-in-full/ (http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/mcalpines-begging-letter-in-full/)

http://theneedleblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/letter1.png

Dafuq? That is absolutely fucking outrageous?

My response would be... IGNORE.

See you in court.

Can anyone who has one of these attempt to sue FcAlpine for soliciting?

What a nerve! What a cheek! Who does he and his FcPals think they area?

Hey - I'm no jingoist right, I care not for 'nation'/country/race/culture etc we all bleed red ("even racist motherckers") - but we're Anglo-Saxon aren't we? We invented justice and liberty and exported it to the whole world! (No hyperbole, we really did - I've written about this before.)

Where is the crime? Where is the victim? Anglo-Saxon justice means meeting eye to eye within a group of peers - "You sir have wronged me".

Fucking disgrace.

This is getting fucking Roman on our asses, and that is not good.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 06:11 PM
@GaeMar01: Who is investigating the link between McAlpine Tory donor Nadir (Cyprus) and the death of co-editor Scallywag Wilson on Cyprus w photos?

Via Twitter

Asil Nadir money should be returned, ex-Tory treasurer says

A former Conservative Party treasurer has called for donations from Asil Nadir's Polly Peck firm to be returned.

Lord McAlpine said it would be morally wrong for the party to keep the money - donated between 1985 and 1990 - in the wake of Nadir's theft convictions.

The Conservatives have previously insisted the money was received in good faith from a legitimate business.

Nadir, 71, was jailed for 10 years on Thursday for stealing nearly £29m from his Polly Peck empire.

'Tainted money'
Lord McAlpine was party treasurer at the time the donations were made.

He now believes the party should have handed the cash back to Polly Peck's creditors when Nadir fled Britain in 1993 following the collapse of his empire.

Continue reading the main story

Start Quote

It is tainted money and it shames the Conservatives if they hang on to it”

Lord McAlpine
Former Conservative treasurer
Labour have also called for the return of the money.

Lord McAlpine told the Daily Mail: "It is tainted money and it shames the Conservatives if they hang on to it. They have a moral duty to give it back.

"The moment he fled the country in 1993, to avoid criminal charges, it was obvious to me he was a complete conman. Frankly, the Tories should have given the money back in 1993.

"But today the case is even clearer. There is a moral imperative for the money to be returned. The money was not Asil Nadir's to give although we thought it was at the time.

"Therefore the Tory party has a duty to return it. It will speak volumes about the character of the modern Tory party if they don't do the right thing. I trust that David Cameron is an honourable man."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19364753

concernedmom
22-11-2012, 06:12 PM
But will people ever wake up?

There has been enough evidence over the years of widespread police corruption, cover-ups, dodgy politicians and royals and nothing ever changes. It is nothing new.....

When Princess Diana died most people seemed to think (or at least the ones I spoke to) she'd been murdered but there were no protests.

When BLiar lied to this country about WMD and then launched the illegal invasion of Iraq with Bush people did nothing.

It seems that the majority in this country do not care that we are being ruled by thieves, nonces and war criminals.

The D-Notices over Dunblane and Operation Ore should've had people out on the streets but there was nothing, just chatter on the internet. TPTB know this and in a few years time it wil be something else and nowt wll change...

Sorry if i'm sounding defeatist but when I hear so many people saying this has opened their eyes I can't help but think 'well why this, why has it taken this to open your eyes'. God knows there's been enough over stuff that should've woken your eyes a long, long time ago :(


take all their benefits away then see how they protest!

white horse
22-11-2012, 06:13 PM
I honestly wouldn't worry. It's a farce. I'm not. Everyone should call his bluff.

Yes

Everyone should call his bluff.

Easy.

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 06:13 PM
I know nothing about page rankings for text, let alone images, or how to get them up onto the top. Maybe someone who knows about these things can run with this idea:-

An image, with no text, no explanation, no accusations, of two seperate pictures. Lord Mc and Savile, maybe Jonathan King as well. No photoshop trickery to make it look like they're meeting or anything, just get the image up on the top rankings, so that anyone searching for an image of Lord McA will see a pic of him next to Savile et al. A picture paints a thousand words!! :rolleyes:

zx83b
22-11-2012, 06:15 PM
Bottom of this page....4 requests for removal
His lawyers are busy as fuck
I typed in Lord Mcalpine paedo.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lord+mcalpine&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=eiH&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=JWiuUICyIqiT0QXH-4HAAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1366&bih=638#hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=0Nc&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=lord+mcalpine+paedo&oq=lord+mcalpine+&gs_l=img.1.0.0j0i24l9.32697.32697.0.34926.1.1.0.0. 0.0.122.122.0j1.1.0.crnk_timediscountb..0.0...1c.1 ._Xy1armXEWQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=7df83e3e8bb33daa&bpcl=38897761&biw=1366&bih=638

You realise if a funny/hard hitting image about mcblubber propagates to mutiple sources it will be very hard to keep them out as the google bots will keep finding them, in fact if his lawyers keep having to continuously sift for them we'll cost the fat turd a fortune:)

Also, censoring satire and social commentary would leave google with a bit of explaining to do......:D

trafficker
22-11-2012, 06:19 PM
cant find janet copes wedding listed anywhere?:eek:

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 06:25 PM
“We are looking at the biggest failure to protect children in the history of Britain”: Scallywag Magazine in the 90s

David Icke (52,000 followers) seems to be leading this “Trial by Twitter

http://victims-unite.net/

oldp
22-11-2012, 06:31 PM
Dafuq? That is absolutely fucking outrageous?

My response would be... IGNORE.

See you in court.

Can anyone who has one of these attempt to sue FcAlpine for soliciting?

What a nerve! What a cheek! Who does he and his FcPals think they area?

Hey - I'm no jingoist right, I care not for 'nation'/country/race/culture etc we all bleed red ("even racist motherckers") - but we're Anglo-Saxon aren't we? We invented justice and liberty and exported it to the whole world! (No hyperbole, we really did - I've written about this before.)

Where is the crime? Where is the victim? Anglo-Saxon justice means meeting eye to eye within a group of peers - "You sir have wronged me".

Fucking disgrace.

This is getting fucking Roman on our asses, and that is not good.

The fight for Anglo-Saxon justice was lost a long way back we now have Napoleonic law (guilty until you prove otherwise) - see British Constitution Group for a return to common sense (not common purpose).

http://www.thebcgroup.org.uk/

heartbeatsalute
22-11-2012, 06:32 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/10/18/world/bbc1/bbc1-articleInline.jpg




http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/10/18/world/bbc1/bbc1-popup.jpg

Medals and rings and symbols Sa-VILE liked to wear

northernlass
22-11-2012, 06:35 PM
I dont think his team have got to Yahoo yet?

56cheffy
22-11-2012, 06:40 PM
Just grabbed this from the programme last night.
I'm sure someone can add an appropriate 'witty' comment.
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/56cheffy/Picture1.jpg

semper_occultus
22-11-2012, 06:40 PM
was musing on post a little while back that vile must have had some MI5/6 connection (or they would have files) and thinking wouldn't it be interesting to hear what the likes of Peter Wright (Spycatcher - dead now) and John Le Carre might say on the matter ... cue googleitime ..., looking for links between the two and vile/Heath/etc ...

some possibly interesting leads:

Peter Wright talked of Heath in Spycatcher - long time since read it - maybe worth going back to ... interestingly, a Socialist Worker article (http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=29989) mentions Heath's paedophilia:

"Operation Clockwork Orange was an attempt to smear and undermine Labour leaders—and those Tories who weren’t considered tough enough. The short term aim was to stop Labour being elected and to depose Edward Heath from the Tory leadership. [...] Clockwork Orange was the origin of the claim that Heath was a paedophile."

Just playing with Jigsaw pieces ...

There must be security service people reading this thread who know about this shit and not happy about it - be nice if they registered incognito (they must know how to cover their tracks!) and gave some leads - we're waiting ...


@GaeMar01: Who is investigating the link between McAlpine Tory donor Nadir (Cyprus) and the death of co-editor Scallywag Wilson on Cyprus w photos?

Via Twitter


......extrat from a longer article on the 1970's parapolitical scene & worth a read for a few dotted-lines discernibly connecting up a few of our dots...I think its from S****wag :


"Le Cercle" eventually spread its tentacles throughout the Western World, but it started in France, as a cogent force, during the Premiership of Antoine Pinay in 1951. Pinay attended the notorious Bilderberg meeting in Ossterbeek, Holland in May 1954. Here he identified others of his extreme political ilk and with the active co-operation of Jean Violet of the then SDECE and Otto von Hapsburg, heir to the Austrian throne, he formed the club.

By the sixties their covert membership was truly astonishing. The "inner circle" included, among many others, Nicholas Elliot, a department head at MI6; William Colby, former controversial director of the CIA; Colonel Botta, of Swiss Military Intelligence; Stefano Della Chiaie, a leading member of the Italian Secret Service; Giullo Andreotti, former Italian Prime Minister and member of P2, who, it was later proved, gave the Italian Mafia presidential protection; General Antonio de Spinola, leader of the Portuguese Putschists; [[Silva Munoz], former Franco minister and a senior member of Opus Dei; Franz Josef Strauss, the German Defence Minister, and Monsignor Brunello, BNG agent in the Vatican.

While the Circle itself was clandestine, they soon formed open and genuine fronts.

In America it was the Washington-based, CIA-backed, Heritage Foundation which was to eventually donate some £5 million to the Conservative Party coffers in support of the Thatcher government, on condition that they put some of their own people into the CCO HQ. This included Dr. Julian Lewis, an arch enemy of Scallywag’s for some years now.

In turn, these people were sponsored by the British Freedom Association, run by Norris McWhirter, scourge of the CND, who is also founding editor of the Guinness Book of Records. Fringe members were The World anti-Communist League; Western Goals, the Bilderbergers, the Opus Dei; Propaganda Duo (P2) and the Jonathan Institute. Attaching themselves somewhere along the line was also the Moonies.

The Circle, on the one hand masterminded the demise of the Wilson and Heath governments in the UK; the assassination of Olaf Palme in Sweden; and caused the destabilisation of the Gough Whitlam government in Australia. On the other hand it was masterminding the setting-up of right-wing governments everywhere.

"Le Cercle" was not just anti-Communist, it was anti-socialist, even though many of the governments they tried to destroy or destabilise had been properly and legally elected. They truly were the original "Reds Under the Beds" fanatics who saw communism everywhere and believed it was their divine right to molest it in any way possible. Under this guise, however, they also cornered the arms markets.

To be fair, during the Cold War, communism under the Bolsheviks was a constant and serious threat to Western democracies and it had developed a huge, expensive, potent and dangerous machine of destabilisation against the West. Leading, it appeared obvious at the time, to an all-out nuclear war. Western security forces were quite within their rights to be paranoiac about the Eastern Block’s intentions. But the activities of "Le Cercle" were merely an extension of McCarthyism in a rather more intelligent and less hysterical, though none the less potent, form. They had developed a huge sense of menace which was closely guarded by some genuine authenticity and tolerated because of national paranoia. The CIA almost openly backed them, the MI6 more cautiously so. In both forces the Circle found many sympathisers.

Key members of the British Establishment, but especially their security services, were heavily involved with this set up. If many individuals were not actual members they were strident sympathisers. And at the end of the day, in the years leading up to Diana’s death, it all came down to simple gun-running. The supplying of arms to those forces, however evil, which they thought would stamp out the reds.

Three constant sympathisers in the UK, were Jonathan Aitken, later heavily discredited, Alan Clark, Minister of State for Defence in the Thatcher government and Paul Channon, former Secretary of State for the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) which at the time were so instrumental in discrediting both Asil Nadir and al-Fayed. In their dealings with the latter, the DTI brought into the conspiracy everyone mentioned in the former chapter concerning Ashraf Marwan. Sir Richard Scott reprimanded all three former ministers in the arms-to-Iraq enquiry.

The Safari Club meanwhile, with unlimited oil money, was busy plotting to overthrow President Sekou Toure of Guinea; assassinating Amilcar in Guinea-Bissau; and backing Siad Barre in Somalia. They led plots to assassinate Colonel Gaddafi, because he had actively supplied backing and arms to the "other side". They had formed strong links with BOSS, the Gestapo-style secret police of South Africa. Their only real failures were not managing to murder Gaddafi and failing to prop up the Shah.

But did the West later in the Gulf War fall short of murdering Saddam because he was an original member of the Safari Club? Did he still have influential friends on the world stage? Has he even today? He certainly still has widespread support in much of the Muslim world. In February 1998 it was revealed that a top CIA agent, Thomas Twetten, (Deputy Director of Operations at the time), a major influence of Le Cercle in Washington, was working outside his office or jurisdiction in a plot by Iraqi Generals to murder Saddam. Clinton himself had ordered a feasible death plot. Mysteriously, all the names of the plotters were leaked from Washington and the plot was thwarted. MI6 were actively involved on an operational level directly with Twetten. In all some 120 officers were shot as a result.

In the final analysis, to "Le Cercle" it is not so much a political question as one of economics. There’s still a lot of oil out there, and a vibrant market for billions of dollars worth of armaments. Kuwait, of course, was not a member of the Safaris. But it must have been difficult for Saudi Arabia to choose between the threat imposed by Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait and attacking a fellow member of the club.

My own security contacts, including the Baroness, had also told me about a highly mysterious organisation called the Committee of 26, which is apparently based in Bristol, in England’s West Country.

I have never heard of this and can find no other official reference in any file. But it is apparently a super-secret "liaison desk" between the highest echelons of British and American agencies and has the "co-operation" of the French. I was told it was "Old Guard" and worked unilaterally. That is, it was a kind of uncontrolled "super-agency" which answered to no one.

I cannot show that this agency even exists, but if it does the number 26 presumably relates to members and, given the rise of membership of The Circle, which is known to exist, I would approximate that that would be an accurate figure and that it may well represent the right-wing elements of some 26 countries. I trust the Baroness, but she was unable to give me any feasible further "chapter and verse."

While there is a strong argument against landmine manufactures themselves plotting against Diana, at the time of her death the production of landmines was still going strong. The Clinton administration had just clinched a £400 million deal to supply an arms package for Bosnian Muslims (Through Honeywell). The French (through the DGSE) had just dried the ink on a $2 billion oil deal with the Iranians and part of the payment was to be a shipment of arms to Bosnia where a very high-profile Princess Diana had recently visited to appeal to the world against the recent carnage and its aftermath. Her very innocence was getting to be a huge embarrassment to several governments. And, perhaps more important, to the machinations of "Le Cercle" An uncontrolled Princess was swanning through their affairs and getting world-wide support. She was a one-woman icon wandering at will through the war zones of the world. She was striking huge chords for international pacifism. And worse, far worse, she was a deep influence on the future king.

Ironically, Sir James Michael Goldsmith, was also an associate member of "Le Cercle" Goldsmith had been very much involved with Circle activities in Africa, and so had Tiny Rowland . It was very much in Rowland’s interests to keep left-wing governments out of Africa where the base of his fortune was made. Mainly in diamond mines which used, almost exclusively, slave labour. There has never been any dispute that Rowland had become a serious threat to the Fayed family. All over a personal tiff about the world’s most high-class grocery shop.

"Le Cercle" can still call upon almost unlimited funds and includes among members many of the most powerful men in the world. They are fervent to the extreme. They nurture the paranoia so as to feather their own nests and they have a very firm grip on Whitehall, Paris and Washington. They are more than capable of organising and executing an assassination against any force they feel may be threatening them. To all of them Diana and Dodi were highly dispensable.


https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=708

**** take note : this text was cut & paste to a forum posting.....both the source url-links on the posting are now dead ***

brontide
22-11-2012, 06:42 PM
@GaeMar01: Who is investigating the link between McAlpine Tory donor Nadir (Cyprus) and the death of co-editor Scallywag Wilson on Cyprus w photos?

Via Twitter

"From the safety of Turkish Cyprus, the fugitive Nadir claims there are more revelations about his relationship with McAlpine to come."

June 1993

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/profile-lord-midas-his-zenith-and-nadir-lord-mcalpine-party-treasurer-for-mrs-thatcher-1492580.html

white horse
22-11-2012, 06:46 PM
Rancid is a smarmy bitch!

I wish Esther would eff off. Fake, fake, fake.

Didn't trust her there. She seemed to both distance herself from his actions, admit she knew of his actions and also recommended secret courts all at the same time. Slick :)

Good work on the CiN boss though. They all fucking knew!

She actually reminds me of Grimma Wormtongue y'know! She's all twisty turney, she really is a sniveling, rancid, toadying, hateful excuse for a human.

and ends with phone the nspcc:eek:
kiddie catcher hotline!

Masterstroke. I wonder if sometimes the ptb actually go to bed chuckling to themselves at how wonderfully crafty and devious, and blatant, they have been?

jewellerymaker
22-11-2012, 06:55 PM
So Kate Winslet got a CBE (or OBE or whatever). I don't know if she's still with Sam Mendes (don't really care), but it's funny that he was on the list of supporters of paedophile Roman Polanski.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01410/Winslet_03_1410508a.jpg
'I love SHORT men, who like fucking children'. English Rose

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 06:58 PM
So Kate Winslet got a CBE (or OBE or whatever). I don't know if she's still with Sam Mendes (don't really care), but it's funny that he was on the list of supporters of paedophile Roman Polanski.
--------------

A strange news report on South East Today, immediately before the Exposure programme.

Kate Winslet was at Buckingham Palace to receive an OBE or something from the Queen, and she did a little interview at the end, and managed to crowbar into it the fact that (I paraphrase) "all these people are helping children, protecting them online...."then onto something else. Did anyone else see this, I found it quite obvious after all the furore about "the dangers of the internet" in it's various guises over the last couple of weeks.

welshwitch
22-11-2012, 06:58 PM
Holy crap :eek: that IS interesting, I'll look into that, check some other search engines too........

Images of Alistair & Jimmie McSlime can be found here:
http://incubusblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/lord-mcalpines-paedophile-cousin/

I have print save of these but lack technical knowhow how to paste direct.
Sorry

Know I'm new here - got lots of research - trying to link stuff together- hope some of it will help

white horse
22-11-2012, 06:59 PM
The fight for Anglo-Saxon justice was lost a long way back we now have Napoleonic law (guilty until you prove otherwise) - see British Constitution Group for a return to common sense (not common purpose).

http://www.thebcgroup.org.uk/

Yes, partly right. Anglo-Saxon Common law underpins English law and still runs in the background. And yes, the battle has raged for more than a millenia and a half as Roman law has slowly gained ground. Napoleonic law was Roman law. It did not fully prevail here tho.

Anglo-Saxon Common law is still current; however, it can be chosen to be ignored. Things like the EU make that easier (more Napoleonic/Roman law)

For me it is the only 'law' that is needed in essence; same as the major commandments; don't kill, don't do harm or allow harm to be done. Simple humanistic 'natural morals' It's often refered to as Common-Sense law as well. Judgment by peers.

We all know it. We don't need it written down. We all feel within our hearts whether an action we are carrying out or witnessing is 'right' or 'wrong'.

A bit simplistic I know but the essence is there.

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 07:01 PM
The Police, Intelligence Agencies and the Media are all at war......And it feels good :D
Or am I too far ahead ?

pravda
22-11-2012, 07:03 PM
Also radio I guess as well? How about live events that people go to like the theatre or sports events and music festivals? And computer games? And fashion?

and the rest (repost):

http://tavistockagenda.iwarp.com/

We know that the NWO is the goal, this is how they have been manipulating us in that direction for the last 90 odd years...

"The Mother of All Think Tanks," Tavistock tentacles form holographic feedback loops, backdoors and wormhole shortcuts among cultural institutions. Each can be unpacked for their associations and effects on society - Intelligence, Military, Government, NGOs, Economics, InfoTech, Mass Media, Philosophy, Occult, Religion, Science, Academia, Psychology, Psychiatry, Medicine and Zeitgeist. Tavistock took the healing genius of Freud and Jung and aimed it at mass psychology in a controlling way.

Not reserving their techniques for the enemy, Tavistock spread their contagious theory and practice of mass mind control into all strategic institutions. Tavistock wrote the blueprint for global domination, a triumph of image over substance. The 'hydraulic model' of tensions has given way to The Field theory of full-spectrum domination. The holographic structure is everywhere contained in its fractal satellites, each of which contains the entire program and can take over when others fail.

They wrote the book on propaganda, prognostication and profiling -- the staples of the full-spectrum surveillance society. They have contrived history. Facts mixed with fiction produces friction. The simulation substitutes for reality. A ritual is just a play with audience participation. But it changes you in the alchemical process.

Funded by British royalty, Rothchilds, Rockefellers, the Federal Government and Wall Street they learned the secret of transmuting infinite symbols of transformation into infinite power. Without wielding overt control, the Tavistock juggernaut has influenced the direction and effects of virtually every human endeavor with political and psychological warfare through its web of interlinking institutions. Following the lead of the British East India Company, transnational drug money is the mother's milk of black ops politics.

Tavistock sets national agendas as part of the global shadow government. It used covert techniques to sell the war with Germany, the state of Israel, the Domino Theory and the Cold War for financial gain. Deliberate creation of crisis is a primary tool of social engineering and global psychodrama. Other networked thinktanks are its dissemination organ. They create peer pressure throughout all strata of society designed to break people down into consensus conformity.

Without Tavistock, there would have been no WWI and WWII, no Bolshevik Revolution, Korea, Vietnam, Serbia and Iraq wars. But for Tavistock, the United States ould not be rushing down the road to dissolution and collapse." --John Coleman

Any technique which helps to break down the family unit, and family inculcated principles of religion, honor, patriotism and sexual behavior, is used by the Tavistock scientists as weapons of crowd control. They are currently involved in a war of extermination on the small American farmer through usery and bankruptsy by giant land trusts.

Research into the use of microwave weapons and their use for mind control began in 1950s at the Tavistock Institute, one of Britain's leading psychiatric research establishments. The UK institute was researching into ways of mind controlling the British population without them knowing. Its main US branch is in the University of Michigan. The same principles were used to create pop culture and counterculture, so even societal rebellion is a programmed trend to channel and discredit opposing energy.

Popular culture is engineered to brainwash each of us from cradle to grave. Trends and megatrends are manufactured, engineered by corporations. Nothing happens in politics or society by accident.

jewellerymaker
22-11-2012, 07:03 PM
Little Children, 2006 film with Kate Winslet

The lives of two lovelorn spouses from separate marriages, a registered sex offender, and a disgraced ex-police officer intersect as they struggle to resist their vulnerabilities and temptations.

revlovejoy
22-11-2012, 07:09 PM
The Police, Intelligence Agencies and the Media are all at war......And it feels good :D
Or am I too far ahead ?

A little to far ahead. When and if the intel services gets into a little bit of bother, you know it's that time.

Whatever we do or do not know about Savile, we know children were abused for intelligence gathering/blackmailing purposes.

marlowe
22-11-2012, 07:11 PM
Amid all the fuss about Lord McArsehole, has anyone actually determined the identity of the man that DID abuse Steve Messham?

zx83b
22-11-2012, 07:13 PM
Images of Alistair & Jimmie McSlime can be found here:
http://incubusblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/lord-mcalpines-paedophile-cousin/

I have print save of these but lack technical knowhow how to paste direct.
Sorry

Know I'm new here - got lots of research - trying to link stuff together- hope some of it will help

My god, they look like two pea's from the same peadophilic pod dont they :confused:

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 07:15 PM
My god, they look like two pea's from the same peadophilic pod dont they :confused:

:D:D paes in a pod....cracked me up

mark1963
22-11-2012, 07:20 PM
Little Children, 2006 film with Kate Winslet

The lives of two lovelorn spouses from separate marriages, a registered sex offender, and a disgraced ex-police officer intersect as they struggle to resist their vulnerabilities and temptations.

Good lord, shes off my chrissie list.

luv evreone
22-11-2012, 07:20 PM
Exposure: The other side of Jimmy Savile:
1.72 million (21.1%); +1: 155k

Exposure: The Update:
2.12 million (18.6%); +1: 107k

56cheffy
22-11-2012, 07:21 PM
Did anyone notice the look on Princess Di's face in the clips on the exposure prog - she looked like she could barely stand to be in the same room as JS (or perhaps that was hubby :D)

Is someone able to do screencaps?

I noticed the same look...maybe it was being in the company of BOTH of them that caused her to look like that!

56cheffy
22-11-2012, 07:23 PM
what was janet copes name before marriage?

cant find details of marriage on leeds registry

I was thinking along the same lines as you :rolleyes:

Was it that picture of her husband that got you 'thinking'?

alteredge
22-11-2012, 07:24 PM
Here's that old bird wot worked for Savile again...

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1383036.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/%C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3Fee+for+use+Jimmy+Savile+c uts+a+fine+figure+with+PA+Janet+Cope

the_magician
22-11-2012, 07:25 PM
‘Week after week, children from all over the country would win competitions to visit the BBC and meet Uncle Dick. He would welcome them, show them round, give them lunch, then take them to the gents and interfere with them. If their parents complained, she said, the director-general’s office would write and say the nation wouldn’t understand such an accusation against a much loved figure.’

Jimmy Saville? No. Read about the creepy past of the BBC:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n21/andrew-ohagan/light-entertainment

white horse
22-11-2012, 07:26 PM
A couple of distractions, z list already - known, has - been arrests, need we say more.

Yep - and we've been calling every play well before it comes.

illuminumnuts
22-11-2012, 07:26 PM
“The Palace have been on to the security and intelligence people who say it’s nothing to do with us, it’s the police.

It's da police stoopid! Lol, that's the flimsiest excuse going.



She actually reminds me of Grimma Wormtongue y'know! She's all twisty turney, she really is a sniveling, rancid, toadying, hateful excuse for a human. Masterstroke. I wonder if sometimes the ptb actually go to bed chuckling to themselves at how wonderfully crafty and devious, and blatant, they have been?

After watching her last night the final shreds of my childhood memories, where I perceived her as a fairy godmother, have finally been vanquished. Phew. :cool:



We all know it. We don't need it written down. We all feel within our hearts whether an action we are carrying out or witnessing is 'right' or 'wrong'. A bit simplistic I know but the essence is there.

Yes, we all get it i'm sure. Just like we all get it when attempts to clamp down on free speech are made under false pretexts. :mad:



My dream too. Really wish I could 'unplug'. Check out the 'Survival / Local Economies / Communities' thread on here.xxx

There is no escaping these people I am sorry to say. They will eventually seek to eliminate such communities if a total mainstream takeover is achieved. It's guaranteed and best to peacefully resist now.

alteredge
22-11-2012, 07:31 PM
No shame: Call me a pervert when I'm dead, I really don't care - Jimmy Savile, the lost interview

TV predator had no remorse as police fear he may have abused 60 victims, reports The People

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1358743.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Jimmy+Savile+

Jimmy Savile suspected he would be reviled after his death for ­raping children – but arrogantly ­declared he just didn’t care.

When asked if he would mind being remembered as a conniving pervert and abuser he told a reporter: “If I’m gone that’s that. B******s to my legacy.”

The chilling interview came to light yesterday as police revealed there could be as many as 60 victims of Savile – twice as many as initially feared.

Sickening crimes under investigation are thought to have taken place over SIX ­decades from 1959 in studios, care homes, schools, hospitals and nightclubs.

Savile’s shameless attitude emerged in a 2001 interview when he was grilled about ­accusations he was a psychopath and a paedophile. Instead of indignant denials Savile, then 74, said: “Whatever is said after I’m gone is ­irrelevant.”

He was not so much angry but ­impatient and dismissive when asked bluntly if he was “into little girls”.

Savile, who died last October aged 84, said: “I’d rather not even opinionate on this. I’ll leave it to the psychologists to sort out the psychology of child abuse.”

At one stage he turned the issue into a joke and said: “I was asked about my feelings towards children and I said, ‘I couldn’t eat a whole one. I hate them.’

“That’s because I want to shut up someone trying to go down that dirty sordid road with questions like that.”

Dozens of women have come forward to say the former BBC presenter sexually assaulted them when they were as young as 13. Now 14 separate police forces are investigating 340 leads.

The Met’s Cmmdr Peter Spindler said: “Information from the public suggest allegations against Savile span six decades. Reports ­start in 1959 and go up to and including 2006.

“I have revised my estimate of the number of likely victims to be about 60.

“I thank those who have come forward and reassure them, and anyone else who contacts us, they will be listened to.”

Many gave statements after the ITV documentary Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile earlier this month.

Some victims’ lawyers have started work on a £10million compensation claim against the BBC, which has already issued an embarrassing public apology over its failure to investigate Savile fully.

It appears bosses took no ­action when there were ­allegations their star was ­abusing underage girls at TV Centre.

That will be the subject of an internal ­inquiry. The BBC will also scrutinise why its Newsnight programme decided against screening a report on Savile. Journalists spent six weeks looking at allegations he abused girls in the 1970s at Dunford, an approved school in Staines, Middx.

They spoke to women who claimed they had been abused or knew about the abuse. But the decision to drop the show came shortly before the BBC broadcast three tributes to Savile over Christmas.

Solicitor Liz Dux said: “The victims want some form of recognition as to what has happened to them in the past.

“They want to be taken seriously. They just want someone believing them for a change. I would say these cases have good prospects of succeeding.”

Tory MP Roger Gale, 69, who worked at the BBC and was head of children’s TV until 1979, said: “If people were ­aiding and abetting this behaviour then they should be prosecuted if still alive.

“People would turn a blind eye to what was happening. It’s all completely ­deplorable. Thank God it’s changed now.” In Whitehall, health department ­officials are on alert over possible legal action being taken by alleged victims of Savile at Broadmoor psychiatric hospital during the 1970s and 80s.

He was a volunteer there for 40 years, holding keys and having an office.

Savile was even appointed to a ­taskforce overseeing a management rejig.

One health department official said: “We will investigate this. In hindsight he should not have been given this role.”

Ms Dux added: “The Government is not immune in civil litigation.”

The 2001 “B******s to my legacy” ­interview, given to an Irish ­newspaper, was one of many clues to Savile’s lack of remorse about his vulnerable victims.

His 1974 autobiography As It Happens abounds with boastful tales including ­finding an underage runaway and keeping her “for the night as a reward”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-call-me-a-pervert-when-im-1378561

brontide
22-11-2012, 07:32 PM
The Police, Intelligence Agencies and the Media are all at war......And it feels good :D
Or am I too far ahead ?

Will the BBC be suing the police for providing a witness with a false name?

white horse
22-11-2012, 07:35 PM
Cant see it working. who has £750 quid to spare just like that out of all those twits. Think its a bluff of some sorts.

Who cares if you have £750 or not!!

Just tell him to fuck off.

Why should you send someone money just cos they ask for it?

Of course it's a bluff.

Seriously?

is it just me?

FcAlpine has taken a turn for the surreal... is it possible he is actually a stalking horse to signal a full frontal assault on 'the internet'?

discovery77
22-11-2012, 07:36 PM
Will the BBC be suing the police for providing a witness with a false name?

Yes, what on earth is being done about that, if indeed that it is the case, at least as that's what they will have us believe? Did they not foresee people would want an explanation of that?!

anders7777
22-11-2012, 07:40 PM
[quote=jewellerymaker;1061153123]So Kate Winslet got a CBE (or OBE or whatever). I don't know if she's still with Sam Mendes (don't really care), but it's funny that he was on the list of supporters of paedophile Roman Polanski.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01410/Winslet_03_1410508a.jpg



There was a RING in holly WOOD

VERY FAMOUS actors and directors

Boys and girls would be passed around

Very organised, very omertà

Out them and you are dead, pretty much

Ditto in the modelling biz

Girls becoming stick insects younger and younger

Preyed on by the casting agencies, agents, photographers etc

Mainly in Gay Paree - or that place then NYC then LON IN THAT ORDER

THis is EVERYWHERE

:(

parcel of rogues
22-11-2012, 07:40 PM
:D:D paes in a pod....cracked me up

The bearded bloke at the back of this picture.:eek:

http://insnews.co.uk/welcome-to-ins-pictures/pictures/jimmy-savile-child-abuse-allegations-2/

Am I the only one thinking that Janet Cope looks like a man and her husband...hmm...the dude looks like a lady.

discovery77
22-11-2012, 07:46 PM
Who cares if you have £750 or not!!

Just tell him to fuck off.

Why should you send someone money just cos they ask for it?

Of course it's a bluff.

Seriously?

is it just me?

FcAlpine has taken a turn for the surreal... is it possible he is actually a stalking horse to signal a full frontal assault on 'the internet'?

It's astonishing in its blatancy and arrogance isn't it?! It's like an illegal begging letter con! In terms of the internet, fos is in his firing line.

luv evreone
22-11-2012, 07:46 PM
So, the Exposure docu was trailed with a comment from MWT about how he was going to show that JS created his programmes as a means to access his victims.

I can't remember that being mentioned much, if at all. Anybody?

I remembered it because it was reported in quite a few places as a lead in, and was one of the only clues as to what the docu would cover. But also because (at the time) i thought it suspect he would be trying to pin this all down on JS's power to do as he wished. Instead of the FACT the BBC would have been well aware of his abusing and thus helped him to make these shows to get close to kids, and then covered it up.

You could tell what direction the show would take (if you didn't already know) just from this comment, JS did this, JS did that etc all about JS and his ''power'', yet conveniently not the people with the actual power who allowed and helped him to abuse undetected for all those years.

I've seen a few people mention how the programme seemed ''lite'' and that it wasn't fully finished yet, some things missing etc, as if it has been re-written, i'm just wondering if something like this may have cut too close to the bone, so was left out, more information left for dead on the cutting room floor perhaps?

juan juan
22-11-2012, 07:47 PM
That pic of Savile with an orange hard hat a few pages back:

I see a definite facial resemblance with Bill Clinton and David Cameron..

Its all heavy duty bloodline connections i think.

white horse
22-11-2012, 07:51 PM
Esther Rancid boils my fucking p*ss.

Her smug grin. Her glib & media polished answers.

Always quick to remind everybody of her knowledge of how paedophiles work. Their cunning. The onus was on the children to come forward etc

She is rotten to the core. Disgusting woman.

The high positions she STILL holds in Child protection agencies tells you everything you need to know about this disingenuous industry. The foxes guard the chickens indeed.

That's the phrase I was looking for! :)

heartbeatsalute
22-11-2012, 07:52 PM
No shame: Call me a pervert when I'm dead, I really don't care - Jimmy Savile, the lost interview

TV predator had no remorse as police fear he may have abused 60 victims, reports The People

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1358743.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Jimmy+Savile+

Jimmy Savile suspected he would be reviled after his death for ­raping children – but arrogantly ­declared he just didn’t care.

When asked if he would mind being remembered as a conniving pervert and abuser he told a reporter: “If I’m gone that’s that. B******s to my legacy.”

The chilling interview came to light yesterday as police revealed there could be as many as 60 victims of Savile – twice as many as initially feared.

Sickening crimes under investigation are thought to have taken place over SIX ­decades from 1959 in studios, care homes, schools, hospitals and nightclubs.

Savile’s shameless attitude emerged in a 2001 interview when he was grilled about ­accusations he was a psychopath and a paedophile. Instead of indignant denials Savile, then 74, said: “Whatever is said after I’m gone is ­irrelevant.”

He was not so much angry but ­impatient and dismissive when asked bluntly if he was “into little girls”.

Savile, who died last October aged 84, said: “I’d rather not even opinionate on this. I’ll leave it to the psychologists to sort out the psychology of child abuse.”

At one stage he turned the issue into a joke and said: “I was asked about my feelings towards children and I said, ‘I couldn’t eat a whole one. I hate them.’

“That’s because I want to shut up someone trying to go down that dirty sordid road with questions like that.”

Dozens of women have come forward to say the former BBC presenter sexually assaulted them when they were as young as 13. Now 14 separate police forces are investigating 340 leads.

The Met’s Cmmdr Peter Spindler said: “Information from the public suggest allegations against Savile span six decades. Reports ­start in 1959 and go up to and including 2006.

“I have revised my estimate of the number of likely victims to be about 60.

“I thank those who have come forward and reassure them, and anyone else who contacts us, they will be listened to.”

Many gave statements after the ITV documentary Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile earlier this month.

Some victims’ lawyers have started work on a £10million compensation claim against the BBC, which has already issued an embarrassing public apology over its failure to investigate Savile fully.

It appears bosses took no ­action when there were ­allegations their star was ­abusing underage girls at TV Centre.

That will be the subject of an internal ­inquiry. The BBC will also scrutinise why its Newsnight programme decided against screening a report on Savile. Journalists spent six weeks looking at allegations he abused girls in the 1970s at Dunford, an approved school in Staines, Middx.

They spoke to women who claimed they had been abused or knew about the abuse. But the decision to drop the show came shortly before the BBC broadcast three tributes to Savile over Christmas.

Solicitor Liz Dux said: “The victims want some form of recognition as to what has happened to them in the past.

“They want to be taken seriously. They just want someone believing them for a change. I would say these cases have good prospects of succeeding.”

Tory MP Roger Gale, 69, who worked at the BBC and was head of children’s TV until 1979, said: “If people were ­aiding and abetting this behaviour then they should be prosecuted if still alive.

“People would turn a blind eye to what was happening. It’s all completely ­deplorable. Thank God it’s changed now.” In Whitehall, health department ­officials are on alert over possible legal action being taken by alleged victims of Savile at Broadmoor psychiatric hospital during the 1970s and 80s.

He was a volunteer there for 40 years, holding keys and having an office.

Savile was even appointed to a ­taskforce overseeing a management rejig.

One health department official said: “We will investigate this. In hindsight he should not have been given this role.”

Ms Dux added: “The Government is not immune in civil litigation.”

The 2001 “B******s to my legacy” ­interview, given to an Irish ­newspaper, was one of many clues to Savile’s lack of remorse about his vulnerable victims.

His 1974 autobiography As It Happens abounds with boastful tales including ­finding an underage runaway and keeping her “for the night as a reward”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-call-me-a-pervert-when-im-1378561


This is really a confession, if only people had paid more attention at the time.
Or maybe they prefered not to look at it, since they were afraid of Savile's power protection from Royalty?

welshwitch
22-11-2012, 07:52 PM
It's da police stoopid! Lol, that's the flimsiest excuse going.





After watching her last night the final shreds of my childhood memories, where I perceived her as a fairy godmother, have finally been vanquished. Phew. :cool:





Yes, we all get it i'm sure. Just like we all get it when attempts to clamp down on free speech are made under false pretexts. :mad:





There is no escaping these people I am sorry to say. They will eventually seek to eliminate such communities if a total mainstream takeover is achieved. It's guaranteed and best to peacefully resist now.

A little reminder of history - and some public dis
closures/allegations re Jug ears - Baron of Chester.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1464395/For-60000-I-will-say-Charles-was-never-involved.html

http://barrypittard.wordpress.com/tag/duke-of-edinburgh/


The truth is out there

white horse
22-11-2012, 07:53 PM
David Owen (Parliamentary Under Secretary for Health) was the first one to officially place Savile in Broadmoor in 1974.

He'd been there long before Clarke and Currie arrived.

Fast forward and by 1990 he's got a knighthood (almost certainly 'given' by Clarke).

ps. It's regrettable that the programme didn't touch on HMP Parkhurst or Savile's relationship with Mountbatten

Very interesting... nice addition of info brontide.

http://vrritti.com/2012/11/04/key-details-of-how-jimmy-savile-was-able-to-gain-access-to-nhs-wards-where-he-abused-patients-can-be-disclosed-today/
And his involvement at Broadmoor was rubber-stamped in 1974 by Dr David Owen, now Lord Owen, who was health minister, government papers in the National Archives disclose.
(Apparently taken from the Telegraph)

Don't forget Savile was visiting Broadmoor from the 60s...

illuminumnuts
22-11-2012, 07:54 PM
Where do you now stand on the issue of Savile and Broadmoor keys? Have you changed your stance at all?

Nope.

But how can you not have? Not being confrontationery, just baffled?:confused:

I'm not going there again and it is irrelevant anyway. :)

I don't mean to be confrontational either, but how can you say it is irrelevant? Firstly, it is obviously very relevant to the Savile case for all sorts of reasons. Secondly, you yourself made a big deal about it when you showed up on the thread. You didn't just offer a one off opinion and were very persistent. See the following posts.

Perhaps I've not articulated very well but this all started with the simple statement that JS did not have keys to Broadmoor that allowed free run of the place. It is not possible and for anyone who is familiar with the place as some are then it's easy to understand why. It would appear that some people are really attached to the idea that Broadmoor was this playground where he could do anything anywhere and for that to be true the keys needed to provide him with access to all areas.

Who are these Broadmoor guards, nurses, admins and patients? You have not provided any source at all. As for those abused @ Broadmoor I've found only two complaints and only one of those with a name. I never said he was well supervised but said he did not have a free run around Broadmoor. Do you believe that whatever he was doing he was able to do it alone? You need to go visit Broadmoor to understand just how difficult this would be. As a sex abuser there are patients in Broadmoor JS would not have wanted to be near.

I beg to differ that you have provided any concrete evidence especially considering you quote from the MSM. It's all hearsay at this time and I too could produce a quote from an unnamed ex Broadmoor staffer who says JS would never have been left alone with patients but so what? What would it prove? I stand by the simple statement repeated several times regarding the keys story. I think I've provided enough clues as to how I know JS would not have had free run of Broadmoor and I'm simply making sure I stay well within the boundaries of what I can say.

Please remember that I only made a simple statement of fact that JS did not have a set of keys in the way the media portrayed that gave him free run of Broadmoor.

Like I've said umpteen times he would not have had a set of keys that gave him free run of Broadmoor. To appreciate the Broadmoor layout, it's sheer size and security procedures you need to have been in there.

It is unlikely we will ever be able to separate truth from bandwagon fiction and maybe someday an individual or a group will step forward to detail events. Maybe the department of health who have ordered a probe into events at Broadmoor will come to something but it's unlikely as it's an official inquiry and we know what happens with those. At present there is no dirt on Alan Franey to speak of and if anything does come up I doubt there will be anything publicly but he is on record as saying JS did not have keys to the wards. He's on record as saying a number of things but it remains to be seen if anything comes out.

Now for the last time and without quoting anything from the MSM I shall repeat the only thing I've been saying all along and that JS would not have had a set of keys that gave him free run of Broadmoor. The layout of the place, the various patient types and the security (even at its most slack) makes this impossible.

I think I've been pretty clear on the picture the media were painting of the keys story and he most likely had keys to the staff living quarters area at most but any such claims by abuse victims or staff that he had keys to elsewhere are just claims. Many of the press stories on the matter also tend to get mixed up with access he had elsewhere. Nothing has been officially confirmed or denied and nor will it be I suspect. We could all get excited about the gold plated keys he was presented with as a volunteer but we'd be wasting our time as it's something sensationalised by the press. Boundary access to staff living quarters at most. Any secure area not on your own chum.

What I've stated all along is that simply having a set of keys does not allow you to run around Broadmoor in the manner that has been implied by the throwaway statement 'JS had keys to Broadmoor'. Whether he had any keys or not has yet to be confirmed or denied officially.

Ok. My familiarity with Broadmoor stretches back more than thirty years and in what capacity is irrelevant. I also value my privacy but suffice to say you do not have an ex patient in your midst. Security at Broadmoor has always been very tight and there have been few escapes. Of those escapes they have been over the perimeter wall (in itself rare) or the more common escape while away from Broadmoor on an 'outing'. Security protocols were upgraded from the prison equivalent of C to B with even tighter security in other areas where required. Razor wire is now used on the perimeter walls. Nobody escapes by wandering out of the front door and nobody simply wanders in. Suffice to say that all I want to do is correct the impression generated by the media saying JS had a set of keys to Broadmoor which has given people the idea that it's possible to wander in and out of this place like you would your own house. Does not happen.

I'm familiar with Broadmoor and all I'll say is a set of keys does not get you free run of the place so the JS having keys to Broadmoor story is BS. There are secure areas within secure areas within secure areas and so on and nobody goes into any patient area without a security escort. Simples.

Ok, so let's say you genuinely believed what you said. Don't you think it's your duty to contact the programme makers to tell them they have got it wrong? Don't you think it's your duty to get Franey off the hook? He looked very much under pressure and ill to me. :(

56cheffy
22-11-2012, 07:59 PM
That pic of Savile with an orange hard hat a few pages back:

I see a definite facial resemblance with Bill Clinton and David Cameron..

Its all heavy duty bloodline connections i think.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/56cheffy/Picture1.jpg

:eek:

alteredge
22-11-2012, 08:02 PM
£750 ha ha ha my arse.
It all leads to munny with these vile fuckers, so let's turn their 'god' against them.
Write on all your notes, use cash as much as possible, imagine how you'd feel when after a while you get a note that someone else has written on in your change or out of a cash machine.
They are conducting a conspiracy of silence, we can 'out' them in silence, although McFiddler will probably try to sue the bank of England.

real_jimmyjones
22-11-2012, 08:05 PM
You could be right about why The Smiths/Morrissey are popular in psychiatric wards. Morrissey also sings about depression so he must of had some sort of depression in his life maybe even clinical depression.

Animal lovers also love Morrissey. Some vegans and vegetarians like him.

Morrissey is into words, lyrics, poetry and books. So people into English language like him.

I read that indie rock was created to make young people feel there is no hope in life. Sounds like that whole indie rock movement and alternative rock movement was created for a negative reason it's now mainstream so isn't even alternative anymore.

I always wonder why Morrisssey never married or had children. I think he was quite into feminism at one time.

I've never felt a bad vibe about Morrissey or Johnny Marr. But it's clear that Morrissey isn't a Christian and he is against the Christian faith. I don't think Johnny Marr is a Christian either.

I personally think indie rock music is a bit depressing, boring, pretentious and even a bit pompous.

I don't like the drummer Mike Joyce and the bass player Andy Rourke who were in The Smiths as they dragged Morrissey's good name through the mud and got money out of him.

Morrissey is Bipolar like myself, he sings about it in 'Something is squeezing my skull' ...

zx83b
22-11-2012, 08:06 PM
She actually reminds me of Grimma Wormtongue y'know! She's all twisty turney, she really is a sniveling, rancid, toadying, hateful excuse for a human.



Masterstroke. I wonder if sometimes the ptb actually go to bed chuckling to themselves at how wonderfully crafty and devious, and blatant, they have been?

Yeah! Rancid wormtongue the slimy betrayer of children and hobbits :o

http://cool-creative.co.uk/Rantzen_Wormtongue01.jpg

thehuntergatherer
22-11-2012, 08:07 PM
awesomley agree, and here's the proof, david's been calling his bluff and I'm sure he'd have told us if he had a letter from these asshats, but so far nada, mcpedo seems to be pretending he isnt there.....

http://cool-creative.co.uk/McAlpine_Icke01.jpg

I have a hunch David might have a lot to say in court, ANYONE'S court as a witness for the defence where mcpedo is trying to cash in and slime out of his pedophile crimes :)

Superb photoshopping.Images and prose stick in peoples minds a lot more effectively than long rambling posts,more of the same!!!!Exellent.

discovery77
22-11-2012, 08:09 PM
Morrissey is Bipolar like myself, he sings about it in 'Something is squeezing my skull' ...

Just as a matter of point to the marriage line in the quote, he is gay, although he could have civil partnership I guess.

salamander
22-11-2012, 08:09 PM
Yeah! Rancid wormtongue the slimy betrayer of children and hobbits :o

http://cool-creative.co.uk/Rantzen_Wormtongue01.jpg

Brilliant....:D Just brilliant....
I'm so pissed off my laptop is down...I'd love to get something together...

agent_orange
22-11-2012, 08:10 PM
http://s17.postimage.org/n4fzy8vkd/mcalpinesettlement.jpg

bubbleinthemachine
22-11-2012, 08:12 PM
Hi Chilly.

I saw that too so I had another look and did a screen capture.

The story was about the Esther Rantzen letter to Jimmy Savile, thanking him for his contribution to a book for her charity, child line.

I watched the clip several times and it becomes clear that what we both saw as something looking suspicious, was in fact the fold line of the letter.

http://s11.postimage.org/h6ksh5h9v/Esther_Rantzen_letter_to_Savile.png

I have this book!


I have the book in front of me now.It's a funny little book, with contributions of Christmas stories, memories and recipes from the great and good ;) of the day

Foreword by Princess Diana, introduction by John Major, and a very strange contribution from JS. About 300 words about sleeping through Christmas Day and not realising it.

Also a contribution from Alan Freeman about how he devised "Youth Club Call" for his radio show.

alteredge
22-11-2012, 08:12 PM
On that old bird who was his PA, whilst watching the exposure programme last night when she said she never knew he was a paedophile my wife turned to me and said "bollocks, you never met him and you knew"

andiliz
22-11-2012, 08:13 PM
Morrissey is Bipolar like myself, he sings about it in 'Something is squeezing my skull' ...
Oh thanks I didn't know Morrissey has Bipolar.

shanticat
22-11-2012, 08:13 PM
Moderator Notice

I am sorry but a number of posts have been removed as they were either off topic or making speculative claims

Please be careful.... we need to lead the way and keep this thread one to be proud of

trafficker
22-11-2012, 08:16 PM
Here's that old bird wot worked for Savile again...

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1383036.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/%C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3Fee+for+use+Jimmy+Savile+c uts+a+fine+figure+with+PA+Janet+Cope

People I cant find no record of her marriage cam anyone else help me here....something fishy

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 08:16 PM
I have this book!

Not my normal reading material but I was a ghost writer for one of the contributors.

I have the book in front of me now.It's a funny little book, with contributions of Christmas stories, memories and recipes from the great and good ;) of the day (I seem to remember that a round robin letter was sent).

Foreword by Princess Diana, introduction by John Major, and a very strange contribution from JS. About 300 words about sleeping through Christmas Day and not realising it.

Also a contribution from Alan Freeman about how he devised "Youth Club Call" for his radio show.

Minor observation....But am I correct in that the ex copper was holding this letter showing it to the camera ?

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 08:17 PM
I have this book!

Not my normal reading material but I was a ghost writer for one of the contributors.

I have the book in front of me now.It's a funny little book, with contributions of Christmas stories, memories and recipes from the great and good ;) of the day (I seem to remember that a round robin letter was sent).

Foreword by Princess Diana, introduction by John Major, and a very strange contribution from JS. About 300 words about sleeping through Christmas Day and not realising it.

Also a contribution from Alan Freeman about how he devised "Youth Club Call" for his radio show.

Fluff Freeman? Wasn't he caught at it as well? Or was it just rumours?

concernedmom
22-11-2012, 08:19 PM
Thanks for that, dont think it has but I may have missed it.

Regarding the Waterhouse enquiry, I just wanted to mention something, don't know if already been analysed in detail already. But someone linked to Mammon's blog the other day, one of the abused at Bryn Estyn, publshed 19 November. They were asking for copies of the newspaper involved.

http://ynysmam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/mc-who.html?spref=tw

In it he publishes a scanned copy of this list of the abusers named in the Waterhouse enquiry.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gwU4_OVT6kg/UKr2EXhFV4I/AAAAAAAAAPE/FU9vU9L3bJo/s1600/cuttingsevil.JPG

Am I right in thinking these are the dates of birth of the accused and some names are crossed out because it was in 'public interest' not to name them in the Waterhouse enquiry? If so is it because they were politicians?? Would it be worth researching birthdates? I know this doesn't neccessarily prove anything, but it may be interesting?

Just saying, because some of those birthdates are also those of Tony McNulty labour Mp, Mo Mowlam and a Canadian MP and dignitary? Not implying anything, just an observation
EDIT - and why is one of the crossed out birthdates 'n/k, ('not known')?

Is there not a full transcript of the report available with the chapter references?

discovery77
22-11-2012, 08:21 PM
Is there not a full transcript of the report available with the chapter references?

good point, anyone know where to find?

concernedmom
22-11-2012, 08:22 PM
Was Cope Saviles 'beard'? Hence her garage stuffed full of his papers and the long term working relationship?

bubbleinthemachine
22-11-2012, 08:23 PM
Minor observation....But am I correct in that the ex copper was holding this letter showing it to the camera ?

Sorry, I've no idea. I meant that I have the book Once Upon a Christmas.

obliette
22-11-2012, 08:24 PM
Waterhouse report here:-

http://tna.europarchive.org/20040216040105/http://www.doh.gov.uk/lostincare/20102.htm

56cheffy
22-11-2012, 08:24 PM
[QUOTE=alteredge;1061153180]Here's that old bird wot worked for Savile again...


People I cant find no record of her marriage cam anyone else help me here....something fishy[/B][/I]

But you need to know her maiden name!

Do you have it?

Do you have Mr Cope's christian name?

Do you even know where they were married.

She worked at Stoke Mandeville when she met SaVILE so she may not be from Leeds.

juan juan
22-11-2012, 08:25 PM
Does anyone recall,i think,a BBC Sci-Fi show possibly late 70s or 80s where one of the high priest type characters was the spitting image if Savile,right down the hsurstyle and occult gown?

Dont think its Blakes 7,Hitchhikers Guide or a Dr Who character but i could be wrong.

Sorry for the vagueness but i definitely recall such a character.

Cheers

discovery77
22-11-2012, 08:30 PM
Waterhouse report here:-

http://tna.europarchive.org/20040216040105/http://www.doh.gov.uk/lostincare/20102.htm

Thanks! :cool:

real_jimmyjones
22-11-2012, 08:32 PM
Is there not a full transcript of the report available with the chapter references?

They are mainly Bryn Estyn Staff members on that list

white horse
22-11-2012, 08:33 PM
£125 000 payout from ITV for McAlpine. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

What for? They didn't name him. The names on the list were not visible. So, why?

Increfuckingdible.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236867/Phillip-Schofield-ITV-pay-Lord-McAlpine-125k-damages-Tory-paedophile-list-blunder.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Phillip Schofield and ITV pay Lord McAlpine £125,000 in damages after he was wrongly smeared on list of 'Tory paedophiles' handed to David Cameron
ITV and presenter apologise unreservedly for incident on This Morning
BBC already agreed to pay peer £185,000 after botched Newsnight report
Peer's lawyer: 'Schofield embarrassed PM and destroyed client's reputation'
McAlpine considers involving police in any 'malicious' incidents

By James White

PUBLISHED: 13:25, 22 November 2012 | UPDATED: 16:21, 22 November 2012

Phillip Schofield and his employer ITV today agreed to pay Lord McAlpine £125,000 in damages after the television presenter showed a list of alleged paedophiles to David Cameron which contained his name.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/9681770/Phillip-Schofield-among-five-This-Morning-staff-disciplined-over-David-Cameron-stunt.html

Phillip Schofield among five This Morning staff disciplined over David Cameron stunt
Philip Schofield's ambush on Prime Minister also to be investigated by broadcasting regulator Ofcom.
Phillip Schofield handed the list to David Cameron on Nov 8

By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter

7:36PM GMT 15 Nov 2012

Phillip Schofield and four other senior members of ITV1’s This Morning programme have been disciplined by the broadcaster after David Cameron was ambushed with a list of Tories accused on the internet of child abuse.



My head is spinning as to why people are jumping like they are on hot plates just because some toff sets his lawyer loose?

WTF is going on?


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/phillip-schofield-paedo-list-gaffe-1444993

19 Nov 2012 11:04
Phillip Schofield 'paedo list' gaffe: Lord McAlpine demands larger payout from ITV than BBC

The broadcaster has been contacted by Lord McAlpine's lawyers, and is expected to have to respond by the end of today



Why?

There are only two ways to respond.

<IGNORE>

- Or -

http://flipthatbird.com/wp-content/themes/StudioPress/images/middle-finger-retro.jpg

Followed by 'And you'd better make the next contact from you a court summons or I will counter sue you for harrassment and soliciting.'

discovery77
22-11-2012, 08:36 PM
They are mainly Bryn Estyn Staff members on that list

Yeah, don't think they would've been named at all, certainly not in the report. Thanks.
edit - but 'mainly' is perhaps interesting??

trafficker
22-11-2012, 08:37 PM
But you need to know her maiden name!

Do you have it?

Do you have Mr Cope's christian name?

Do you even know where they were married.

She worked at Stoke Mandeville when she met SaVILE so she may not be from Leeds.

Dont know her maiden name, but she married gerald cope in 1990, amd I have checked marriage database site

agent_orange
22-11-2012, 08:38 PM
19 Nov 2012 11:04
Phillip Schofield 'paedo list' gaffe: Lord McAlpine demands larger payout from ITV than BBC






As it happens he got considerably less than the publicly funded BBC wetleggers happily gave him.

revlovejoy
22-11-2012, 08:38 PM
But you need to know her maiden name!

Do you have it?

Do you have Mr Cope's christian name?

Do you even know where they were married.

She worked at Stoke Mandeville when she met SaVILE so she may not be from Leeds.


http://announce.jpress.co.uk/13935289?s_source=jpmi_bha

Is this them?

machine
22-11-2012, 08:40 PM
Fuck me this post is huge - is this a record?

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 08:42 PM
Increfuckingdible.





My head is spinning as to why people are jumping like they are on hot plates just because some toff sets his lawyer loose?

WTF is going on?



Why?

There are only two ways to respond.

<IGNORE>

- Or -

http://flipthatbird.com/wp-content/themes/StudioPress/images/middle-finger-retro.jpg

Followed by 'And you'd better make the next contact from you a court summons or I will counter sue you for harrassment and soliciting.'

I made a post earlier today about a person called Marilyn Stowe, but it may have been overlooked. Anyway, she is the resident legal expert on ITVs This Morning......Read her entry below.

http://www.marilynstowe.co.uk/2011/10/31/remembering-sir-jimmy-savile/

56cheffy
22-11-2012, 08:43 PM
Dont know her maiden name, but she married gerald cope in 1990, amd I have checked marriage database site

In that case Janet D ROWE married Gerald G W COPE (b 1942) Aylesbury 1990.

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 08:45 PM
Fuck me this post is huge - is this a record?

No, but this is...

http://graphicriver.net/item/vinyl-record-disk/57910

white horse
22-11-2012, 08:45 PM
I been thinking, can we sue Mcalpine, for stealing tax payers money?

He never got named, yet he walks away with nearly half million squids....

is there any legal basis on this?

It's called an out of court settlement. First time I can ever remember where a piece was broadcast, no one was named, but then subsequently the broadcaster awards damages based on a slander/ libel that never actually occurred. McPeados lawyers will have said that it could easily be 'inferred' by the public that it was their client being discussed, not least because he came out and released a statement saying just that! McAlpine may be a dirty, rancid old pervert but stupid he isn't, the management of ITV and the BBC just want it to go away, and chucking him a few grand would be a fraction of their court costs. They couldn't give a toss about what this does to free speech and how the UKs already ludicrous protect the rich defamation claim system has become such a monster that even ordinary people can't pass comment on a news item without risking bankruptcy.

And it's nothing to do with the law. It's poker. Who blinks first.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 08:46 PM
http://announce.jpress.co.uk/13935289?s_source=jpmi_bha

Is this them?

It could be them.........

obliette
22-11-2012, 08:49 PM
John Clarke ‏@C7RKY
Derek Laud's Wikipedia profille changed for some reason?
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/has-derek-laud-been-unfriended/
Retweeted by Outlaw

For those capturing stuff that's being edited/deleted - old and current versions of Derek Laud's wiki here - read the comments and follow the links. The Independent article on the last link has some interesting stuff too about Ian Greer.

blue_bear
22-11-2012, 08:49 PM
I found this via another Icke thread:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/hamiltons-mason-link-1313718.html

And this through Google:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1065783 :)

concernedmom
22-11-2012, 08:50 PM
They are mainly Bryn Estyn Staff members on that list

Would it also be staff names that are blanked out? If yes, why and for what interest?

The report appears to be complete with no deletions of any kind.

white horse
22-11-2012, 08:53 PM
I made a post earlier today about a person called Marilyn Stowe, but it may have been overlooked. Anyway, she is the resident legal expert on ITVs This Morning......Read her entry below.

http://www.marilynstowe.co.uk/2011/10/31/remembering-sir-jimmy-savile/

She's their legal adviser?

Magical.

thehuntergatherer
22-11-2012, 08:54 PM
So, the Exposure docu was trailed with a comment from MWT about how he was going to show that JS created his programmes as a means to access his victims.

I can't remember that being mentioned much, if at all. Anybody?

I remembered it because it was reported in quite a few places as a lead in, and was one of the only clues as to what the docu would cover. But also because (at the time) i thought it suspect he would be trying to pin this all down on JS's power to do as he wished. Instead of the FACT the BBC would have been well aware of his abusing and thus helped him to make these shows to get close to kids, and then covered it up.

You could tell what direction the show would take (if you didn't already know) just from this comment, JS did this, JS did that etc all about JS and his ''power'', yet conveniently not the people with the actual power who allowed and helped him to abuse undetected for all those years.

I've seen a few people mention how the programme seemed ''lite'' and that it wasn't fully finished yet, some things missing etc, as if it has been re-written, i'm just wondering if something like this may have cut too close to the bone, so was left out, more information left for dead on the cutting room floor perhaps?

I think ITV had two edits of the show lined up for transmission and after last minute discussions probably ran with the slightly light weight toned down version.

discovery77
22-11-2012, 08:59 PM
Would it also be staff names that are blanked out? If yes, why and for what interest?

The report appears to be complete with no deletions of any kind.

Yes given that the names of politicians were effectively off limits in the narrowed down report, I wouldn't expect to find them there in the Waterhouse enquiry report. But why staff members blocked out - sue case for newspaper?

luv evreone
22-11-2012, 09:02 PM
Which forum bella?

I abandoned the Digital Spy (yeah I know, I know - NOW :p) thread for here once what had been, generally, a lot of 'normal' people in outrage and asking a lot of good questions, turned into an obvious whitewash dominated by all sorts of very obvious denialists and shills.

Perhaps it's time to go back there from time to time and plant some little seeds...

Then again, I'm not sure how many genuine posters there are on that thread now, and I'd have to sacrifice time on here to go on there...really not sure it's worth it :confused:

<edit> Thought about it and it's not worth it (for me) - my time is better spent talking to friends/family about it I think.

I think a lot of people (many more over the years, lol) have given up on DS. Being so main-stream they don't like certain discussions coming up and delete a lot of contentious posts/ideas. They have banned a lot of people, myself included. Although, being so main-stream there have been many positives, as a lot of people read/post there and they have been introduced to a different way of thinking. There has been a lot of good info posted there, they couldn't control it all. There has definitely been a change from before this broke and since, you can see it over-time. It does take time though.

Many who (now) think along the same lines as we do (and some who already did) would only pop in now and then as well. It seems like the dis-believers are the ones mainly that sit and watch, waiting to post. There are a few in particular who try to steer the debate in certain directions. There are some (mainly BBC apologists) who hang around the 'Broadcasting' section only, and will wait until their beloved Beeb management is attacked and then take delight in defending them for hours on end, conveniently ignoring many things, using every tactic possible to limit the damages. Sad life?

They are completely conditioned into trusting the system. Along with one or two helpers who ARE controlled.

There was a time (on the main thread) for a while, a few weeks back, when there was a very good debate and lots of the right questions being asked. It seemed people were working together to research, and there weren't many disagreements. There was definitely a majority who were pro establishment conspiracy. (I think there are many levels of acceptance to this, but mainly a big leap from JS the one-off to - they're all at it, or covering for it, which many have realized, thankfully.) Sadly, a series of events has conspired to take that good work off course. It was inevitable what overall direction the thread would take after some time. (I checked after 'Exposure' and the doc did it's job, as there was some suprising posts there from people i'd swore had woken up to this, almost like they had been actually brainwashed? Strange.) Though, it did seem many were waking up to the wide spread corruption.

We have to remember it's not that easy waking up so many are probably still taking it in. It was hard enough in the beginning to get people to realize JS's guilt, most came round to that, yet there are still some who haven't even reached that level yet, god help them.

If you look at each 'Exposure' doc there is a huge number of posts on the first one, and only a few pages on the second. I think many (awakened ones) have moved on to other means, like coming here. There is also still some very good posters there, even the ones with an agenda it seems have to admit many things are not right, they're just not so interested in jumping on to the conspiracy bus. You can see in the reaction to DI and the forum and how views have been challenged and changed. There were some that just HAD to attack, attack, attack the sources at whatever cost as they knew what a can of worms this was. There is a few agents there imo, but mainly they are just people locked into denial. They have bought into the machine so much they will go on defending it no matter what, so that they won't have to give up their comfortable mind-set and ask themselves the more difficult questions. As sub-consciously we all know what that will lead to.

Their main JS thread (6 parts now) is up to 24k posts. Yet, it's slowed right down lately. We should have caught up and passed them soon.

margery_bruce
22-11-2012, 09:03 PM
View Record Janet D Rowe Cope Mar 1990 Aylesbury Vale Buckinghamshire

iew Record Gerald G W Cope Rowe Mar 1990 Aylesbury Vale Buckingh


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Gerald G W Cope
Name: Gerald G W Cope
Spouse Surname: Rowe
Date of Registration: Mar 1990
Registration district: Aylesbury Vale
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume Number: 19
Page Number: 566
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

illuminumnuts
22-11-2012, 09:05 PM
If anyone is up for the task of helping me create separate threads concentrating on specific aspects of this case, full of source material and decent comments, then can they please say so on this thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227546

It doesn't matter that we haven't got a Savile subforum yet, as we might get one in the future. At least we will be ready to stick them in there. Even if we don't get a Savile subforum we can at least, I hope, link to these new threads in the opening post of this thread. I have ideas on how to go about it and we can do it at our own pace. It need not be stressful and I just need some willing partners. :)



I made a post earlier today about a person called Marilyn Stowe, but it may have been overlooked. Anyway, she is the resident legal expert on ITVs This Morning......Read her entry below.

http://www.marilynstowe.co.uk/2011/10/31/remembering-sir-jimmy-savile/

It was interesting.

margery_bruce
22-11-2012, 09:06 PM
Janet D Rowe
Mother's Maiden Surname: Purkiss
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941
Registration district: Wallingford
Inferred County: Hampshire, Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 868 (click to see others on page)

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 09:08 PM
She's their legal adviser?

Magical.

My dad is a quiet, private man; yesterday he told me that if I must write about Sir Jimmy, he didn’t want his own name mentioned. As if! However I know that the two of them got on very well, running together and living in the same place for so many years. The photo above was taken of them in their heyday, about to embark upon the Great North Run and clearly having lots of fun. My dad is the second man on the right, wearing the headband. Would you believe that both men were about sixty at the time? My dad reckons that they were in their prime. Sir Jim was about five years older than Dad – and you will note that despite the health warnings and the famous cigar, marathon running clearly suited him.

The man standing on my dad’s right is their old pal: the late, great Jimmy Corrigan, who ran fairgrounds and amusement arcades in Scarborough, where Sir Jim also had a home. Sir Jim and Jimmy Corrigan both referred clients to me in the past. These three looked great, didn’t they? Those running years were good times for them. My father treasures this photo, and rightly so.


http://www.marilynstowe.co.uk/2012/10/08/in-the-spotlight/

I take a different view. I refuse to give up on the Rule of Law. There has been no trial and like it or not, Sir Jimmy Savile has been convicted of no offence. Moreover times have changed since the star-struck 1970s. Girls did throw themselves at TV stars but society’s reactions then, rightly or wrongly, were different. Remember Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman and the 18 year-old bride he had been dating since she was 13? When I was a teenager in the 1970s I wasn’t flocking to appear on Top of the Pops or trekking out to visit a top DJ in hisLondon hotel room. But plenty of girls clearly were and continued to do so long after these incidents all allegedly took place.

Let me make it clear, I’m not excusing any sexual misconduct for a minute. I’m a 21st Century lawyer and for me abuse is abuse;- so long as there is a defendant alive to answer the charges. But perhaps, just perhaps, our society was really quite different forty years ago and that is the real reason they all stayed quiet. We will never know for sure.

What about the Rule of Law? The law that protects every one of us, the very fabric of our democratic society, that protection we all enjoy: that we are all entitled to be heard in a courtroom and we are all innocent until found guilty in that courtoom?

white horse
22-11-2012, 09:17 PM
Yeah! Rancid wormtongue the slimy betrayer of children and hobbits :o

http://cool-creative.co.uk/Rantzen_Wormtongue01.jpg

Very good zx, you're good! :D

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 09:17 PM
Is this significant?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236983/Avon-Somerset-Chief-Constable-quits-newly-elected-Police-Commissioners-day-hes-told-reapply-job.html

Common Purpose vs Freemasons? CP want to put their own man in charge?

Also, when i clicked the link to the Derek Laud/Wikipedia blog, my Peer Block showed me several blocks on this address.

cleveland.police.uk 194.176.76.5

What's all that about then? Should I start getting paranoid? :cool:

illuminumnuts
22-11-2012, 09:23 PM
Is this significant?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236983/Avon-Somerset-Chief-Constable-quits-newly-elected-Police-Commissioners-day-hes-told-reapply-job.html

Common Purpose vs Freemasons? CP want to put their own man in charge?
Also, when i clicked the link to the Derek Laud/Wikipedia blog, my Peer Block showed me several blocks on this address.

cleveland.police.uk 194.176.76.5

What's all that about then? Should I start getting paranoid? :cool:

Is there any reason to get this peerblock program if you already know you are well monitored? I don't need to know what I already know, but if it gives me some extra protection in any way at all I will look into it. Cheers. :)

alteredge
22-11-2012, 09:23 PM
Thanks for that, dont think it has but I may have missed it.

Regarding the Waterhouse enquiry, I just wanted to mention something, don't know if already been analysed in detail already. But someone linked to Mammon's blog the other day, one of the abused at Bryn Estyn, publshed 19 November. They were asking for copies of the newspaper involved.

http://ynysmam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/mc-who.html?spref=tw

In it he publishes a scanned copy of this list of the abusers named in the Waterhouse enquiry.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gwU4_OVT6kg/UKr2EXhFV4I/AAAAAAAAAPE/FU9vU9L3bJo/s1600/cuttingsevil.JPG

Am I right in thinking these are the dates of birth of the accused and some names are crossed out because it was in 'public interest' not to name them in the Waterhouse enquiry? If so is it because they were politicians?? Would it be worth researching birthdates? I know this doesn't neccessarily prove anything, but it may be interesting?

Just saying, because some of those birthdates are also those of Tony McNulty labour Mp, Mo Mowlam and a Canadian MP and dignitary? Not implying anything, just an observation
EDIT - and why is one of the crossed out birthdates 'n/k, ('not known')?

I took one name from that list Michael Andrew John Taylor, did a quick search and a Michael Andrew Taylor pops up.
He's a director of a lot of companies in the north west and east.

http://www.cdrex.com/michael-andrew-taylor/210977.html

A few of the companies sounds all 'common purpose' such as 'More grey cells ltd'

http://www.cdrex.com/more-grey-cells-limited-2829429.html

If this is the guy then being a nonce didn't stand in his way.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 09:24 PM
I think ITV had two edits of the show lined up for transmission and after last minute discussions probably ran with the slightly light weight toned down version.

THE former police officer who unmasked Jimmy Savile as a paedophileleft the showbiz world quaking last night when he warned that more arrests will follow.

Criminologist Mark Williams-Thomas, whose shock ITV1 documentary last month exposed the late Jim’ll Fix It star, said the “tide has turned” against child abusers.

Mr Williams-Thomas, pictured above,a former Surrey Police child protection officer,said hestillhad lotsof unscreened “sad and compelling” detail left over from his exposé on Savile.

And he warned future arrests would include “known people of significant standing”.

He is filming a second Exposure documentary for ITV1 and plans to unmask more celebs. (where was this, he wasnt even in it)

revlovejoy
22-11-2012, 09:28 PM
I took one name from that list Michael Andrew John Taylor, did a quick search and a Michael Andrew Taylor pops up.
He's a director of a lot of companies in the north west and east.

http://www.cdrex.com/michael-andrew-taylor/210977.html

A few of the companies sounds all 'common purpose' such as 'More grey cells ltd'

http://www.cdrex.com/more-grey-cells-limited-2829429.html

If this is the guy then being a nonce didn't stand in his way.

Didn't John Allen relocate to the north east after his release?

zx83b
22-11-2012, 09:31 PM
Very good zx, you're good! :D

Thanks to your sidesplittingly hilarious concepts white horse, I can only accept 50% of any kudos the rest is yours :). Thanks for the chucks!

alteredge
22-11-2012, 09:34 PM
THE names of the "missing" 28 care workers in Britain's worst child abuse scandal were obtained by The Mirror last night.

Some are among the most dangerous paedophiles involved in the scandal to rock North Wales.

Others are still being checked out to see if they harmed kids or were wrongly accused.

These are some of the 28 who local authorities are desperate to trace following the damning Lost In Care report by Sir Ronald Waterhouse into abuse at 40 carehomes in North Wales:

Paul Bicker Wilson, 49, residential care officer at Bryn Estyn. He was given a suspended sentence of three years and two months in 1994 at Knutsford Crown Court for assault and bullying.

Stephen Norris, 63, former residential care officer at the Bryn Estyn home.

He was sentenced to a total of seven years jail in 1993 for sex offences against boys.

Norris was released after serving half the sentence. Police say they know of his whereabouts.

Joseph Dodd, 63, officer in charge at Ty'r Felin. He was investigated, but the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to take him to court.

He later retired on grounds of ill-health. The report was satisified he did use excessive force on the children in his care. He was never been convicted of any offences.

Leslie Wilson, 48, sentenced to 15 months in prison for gross indecency and attempted buggery in 1977.

Michael Taylor, 58. In September 1993 he had four cautions in relation to indecent assault.

The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to pursue to court.

Jacqueline Thomas, 40, one of five people grouped together in the report who were convicted of sex offences against children in 1986 at the Chevet Hey home after an investigation which spanned 1981-89.

David Gillison, 48. As with Jacqueline Thomas, he was convicted of sexual offences in 1986.

He was a social worker not then employed in residential care.

Kenneth Scott, 48, sentenced to eight years in prison in 1986 for buggery and gross indecency.

John Allen, 58, founder of the Bryn Allen community.

He was jailed for six years in 1995 for indecent assaults on boys in his care over an 11-year-period. Police now say they know where he is.

Anthony Taylor, 71, convicted in 1976 of two offences of indecent assault on boys and fined pounds 20 for each offence.

Iain Muir, 51. Another of the five referred to in the report as being convicted of sexual abuse at Bryn Allen in 1986.

Bryan Davies, 52, convicted in 1978 on three offences of indecent assault, given a sentence of 160 hours of community service.

Norman Roberts, 66, and son Ian Roberts, 42, were both convicted at Mold Crown Court in 1993 of horse-whipping a boy fostered by the family at the age of seven.

They were both given conditional discharges and ordered to pay pounds 100 each in costs.

Malcolm Scrugham, 54, described by Sir Ronald Waterhouse as being among the "most serious offenders".

Gary Cooke/Reginald Cooke, 49, prosecuted in 1980 to two offences of buggery and one of taking an indecent photo. Also named among the most serious offenders.

Arthur Stephens, 71. Co-defendant with Cook and pleaded guilty to buggery and indecent assault. Sentenced to three years.

Albert Dyson, 59. Convicted in 1980 of three offences of indecency against a boy in care.

The list has been sent to the chief executives of local authorities, health authorities, NHS trusts and Special Health Authorities.

Last night one of the men was interviewed by the BBC. His face blacked out on screen, he claimed that he was being "hounded" as a result of being on the list.

He added: "Everyone who needs to know where I am knows my address.

"So why am I on this list being handed out ?"

The inquiry team feared those named could take-up jobs in the child care system.

The letter which accompanies it from the Department of Health warns: "The inquiry report names a number of people in connection with allegations of child abuse.

"A key concern must be to satisfy ourselves, as far as possible, that people who harmed children in North Wales are not in a position to do so now in any part of the country.

"Those individuals named in the report who are still working in one of the successor local authorities in North Wales have been traced and risk assessed.

"However, given the time span given by the report, there are a number of individuals against whom findings are made in the report who are no longer working for the successor authorities and whose whereabouts are unknown.

"We need to work together to establish the current whereabouts of these individuals and to ensure they do not currently pose a risk to children other vulnerable groups.

"We need to do this as a matter of absolute urgency."

The letter, marked confidential, outlined how Ministers were taking immediate steps to establish the current whereabouts of the individuals named.

It urges all those circulated to check employment records immediately.

The circular orders all those involved to circulate the results of their searches by 5pm today.

It goes on: "If you find that you are currently employing one of the individuals named or have done in the past, please inform...of the action you are proposing to take."

Meanwhile, Labour MP Chris Ruane tabled a series of Commons questions yesterday. He demanded:

-HOW many alleged abusers were named in the report; who are the "missing" suspects, what are their jobs and what offences are they suspected of;

-HOW many abuse victims committed suicide;

-WHO has NOT been prosecuted.

Mr Ruane asked for a promise that all relevant information about the mysterious 28 will be passed to the police.

He told The Mirror: "I'm surprised many alleged abusers haven't been named. Until all those named are in the public domain a cloud will hang over this entire scandal."

Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy is expected to answer the questions early next week.

However, for the John brothers, pictured with their sister Lisa, promises of reform come too late.

All four - Adrian, Lea, Jay and Chris - were assaulted over many years during their time at the Bryn Alyn home in Wrexham. Adrian and Lea later died in mysterious circumstances.

Adrian was 32 when he was killed in a suspicious fire in Brighton at a reunion of people who had been in homes in Clywd.

Lea was horribly injured in the same fire, and died three years later, aged 37, from an apparent heroin overdose.

But his family claim he may have been murdered.

Chris, who ran away from one home more than 30 times, said last night: "Our family has been destroyed."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BRITAIN%27S+WORST+CHILD+ABUSE+SCANDAL%3A+A+LIST+OF +EVIL%3B+Abusers+in+child...-a060290695

white horse
22-11-2012, 09:44 PM
Pictures of soVile and the Beatles have been turning up here and there:

AT LAST!!! He speaks to us mere mortals!!

(For we are not worthy to hear your voice o master)


Sir Paul McCartney: 'There was something a little bit suspect about Jimmy Savile'

The Beatle speaks to The Independent's arts editor David Lister about his friendship with the disgraced DJ
David Lister

Thursday 22 November 2012

Sir Paul McCartney has become one of the first rock stars to speak about Jimmy Savile and the sexual climate of the sixties and seventies.

Few rock stars have said anything about their behaviour at the time, and the Savile revelations. Now the biggest worldwide pop icon has given his thoughts, and spoken about The Beatles’ friendship with Savile, in an exclusive interview with The Independent, to be published in full on Saturday.

Sir Paul told me that in their early days The Beatles were close to Savile, and travelled with him. Later at the height of Beatlemania, Savile compered their Christmas shows. Sir Paul also addressed the more general area of the prevailing sexual climate in those days.

Referring to Savile and the darker side of what was perceived as a time of relative innocence, Sir Paul said: “ It’s very difficult to talk about it. The thing is we knew Jimmy and we worked with him, he was a DJ, an MC on some of the shows. We were working in Yorkshire and we were still living in Liverpool. And we were coming back from a gig and he came in our van over the Pennines, we gave him a lift."

“He told us all these stories about his wartime exploits how he had been buying chewing gum and nylons and all that, and selling them. He had all sorts of stuff going on. He was the older hustler guy, and we were very amused by these stories because he was a great entertainer."

“But we dropped him off at his place outside his house and we said ‘can we come in for a coffee’, and he said ‘oh no, not tonight lads’. When he’d gone we thought why doesn’t he let us in, what is it, because most people would have let us in that we gave a lift to. So we always thought there was something a little bit suspect.”

Sir Paul, who can be seen on ITV on Saturday night in a special concert showcasing his most recent album, went on in the interview to speak about the sexual mores of the period. He said: “More generally, then the whole sort of scene was not so PC. [In] the post war boom, girls and guys,it was a much more open scene, and you know free love, and the pill had just come in, so it was a completely different scene. The other aspect of course is that we, though not quite Jimmy, we were of the age of the girls, we were all young. So if you’re now talking about a 17, 18 year old boy with a 15 year old girl, we all knew that was illegal. We knew it and it was like NO. But the closer we were in age of course the less it seemed to matter. We knew with under 16s it was illegal, so we didn’t do it.”

“We tried to make sure, we couldn’t always be sure. But there was a definite no-no involved in underage kids. Hey listen, we didn’t have to worry. There were plenty of over 16 year olds.”

David Lister’s full interview with Paul McCartney will be published in Radar in The Independent on Saturday



Sir Paul talks to us like we are fucking 5 years old.

You were 'close' to him, but you thought there was something supect because he didn't invite you in 'once'?

Are you more informative, and less patronising, in the full interview? How about you tell us EVERYTHING you remember about savile. Have you seen the size of this thread mate, don't spare us, we'll take all the details. Names/dates/places.

Despite the 'years' of closeness, he chooses this one anecdote to distance himself, king pop, from king perv.

Then he gives us a spiel about 'no underage kids,' Careful to stress that. Sir Faul is not rock'n'roll, he is niceness. No sex/drugs/rocknroll devils' dandruff and tv through the window for me no siree. For I am well loved by the Daily Fail.

Perrlease.

(I can actually visualise his flappy fucking face speaking to the interviewer... grrrr arrrgggg... Piss... starting... to... boil... nnnnggggg) :mad:

RIP John :cool:

discovery77
22-11-2012, 09:49 PM
THE names of the "missing" 28 care workers in Britain's worst child abuse scandal were obtained by The Mirror last night.

Some are among the most dangerous paedophiles involved in the scandal to rock North Wales.

Others are still being checked out to see if they harmed kids or were wrongly accused.

These are some of the 28 who local authorities are desperate to trace following the damning Lost In Care report by Sir Ronald Waterhouse into abuse at 40 carehomes in North Wales:

Paul Bicker Wilson, 49, residential care officer at Bryn Estyn. He was given a suspended sentence of three years and two months in 1994 at Knutsford Crown Court for assault and bullying.

Stephen Norris, 63, former residential care officer at the Bryn Estyn home.

He was sentenced to a total of seven years jail in 1993 for sex offences against boys.

Norris was released after serving half the sentence. Police say they know of his whereabouts.

Joseph Dodd, 63, officer in charge at Ty'r Felin. He was investigated, but the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to take him to court.

He later retired on grounds of ill-health. The report was satisified he did use excessive force on the children in his care. He was never been convicted of any offences.

Leslie Wilson, 48, sentenced to 15 months in prison for gross indecency and attempted buggery in 1977.

Michael Taylor, 58. In September 1993 he had four cautions in relation to indecent assault.

The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to pursue to court.

Jacqueline Thomas, 40, one of five people grouped together in the report who were convicted of sex offences against children in 1986 at the Chevet Hey home after an investigation which spanned 1981-89.

David Gillison, 48. As with Jacqueline Thomas, he was convicted of sexual offences in 1986.

He was a social worker not then employed in residential care.

Kenneth Scott, 48, sentenced to eight years in prison in 1986 for buggery and gross indecency.

John Allen, 58, founder of the Bryn Allen community.

He was jailed for six years in 1995 for indecent assaults on boys in his care over an 11-year-period. Police now say they know where he is.

Anthony Taylor, 71, convicted in 1976 of two offences of indecent assault on boys and fined pounds 20 for each offence.

Iain Muir, 51. Another of the five referred to in the report as being convicted of sexual abuse at Bryn Allen in 1986.

Bryan Davies, 52, convicted in 1978 on three offences of indecent assault, given a sentence of 160 hours of community service.

Norman Roberts, 66, and son Ian Roberts, 42, were both convicted at Mold Crown Court in 1993 of horse-whipping a boy fostered by the family at the age of seven.

They were both given conditional discharges and ordered to pay pounds 100 each in costs.

Malcolm Scrugham, 54, described by Sir Ronald Waterhouse as being among the "most serious offenders".

Gary Cooke/Reginald Cooke, 49, prosecuted in 1980 to two offences of buggery and one of taking an indecent photo. Also named among the most serious offenders.

Arthur Stephens, 71. Co-defendant with Cook and pleaded guilty to buggery and indecent assault. Sentenced to three years.

Albert Dyson, 59. Convicted in 1980 of three offences of indecency against a boy in care.

The list has been sent to the chief executives of local authorities, health authorities, NHS trusts and Special Health Authorities.

Last night one of the men was interviewed by the BBC. His face blacked out on screen, he claimed that he was being "hounded" as a result of being on the list.

He added: "Everyone who needs to know where I am knows my address.

"So why am I on this list being handed out ?"

The inquiry team feared those named could take-up jobs in the child care system.

The letter which accompanies it from the Department of Health warns: "The inquiry report names a number of people in connection with allegations of child abuse.

"A key concern must be to satisfy ourselves, as far as possible, that people who harmed children in North Wales are not in a position to do so now in any part of the country.

"Those individuals named in the report who are still working in one of the successor local authorities in North Wales have been traced and risk assessed.

"However, given the time span given by the report, there are a number of individuals against whom findings are made in the report who are no longer working for the successor authorities and whose whereabouts are unknown.

"We need to work together to establish the current whereabouts of these individuals and to ensure they do not currently pose a risk to children other vulnerable groups.

"We need to do this as a matter of absolute urgency."

The letter, marked confidential, outlined how Ministers were taking immediate steps to establish the current whereabouts of the individuals named.

It urges all those circulated to check employment records immediately.

The circular orders all those involved to circulate the results of their searches by 5pm today.

It goes on: "If you find that you are currently employing one of the individuals named or have done in the past, please inform...of the action you are proposing to take."

Meanwhile, Labour MP Chris Ruane tabled a series of Commons questions yesterday. He demanded:

-HOW many alleged abusers were named in the report; who are the "missing" suspects, what are their jobs and what offences are they suspected of;

-HOW many abuse victims committed suicide;

-WHO has NOT been prosecuted.

Mr Ruane asked for a promise that all relevant information about the mysterious 28 will be passed to the police.

He told The Mirror: "I'm surprised many alleged abusers haven't been named. Until all those named are in the public domain a cloud will hang over this entire scandal."

Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy is expected to answer the questions early next week.

However, for the John brothers, pictured with their sister Lisa, promises of reform come too late.

All four - Adrian, Lea, Jay and Chris - were assaulted over many years during their time at the Bryn Alyn home in Wrexham. Adrian and Lea later died in mysterious circumstances.

Adrian was 32 when he was killed in a suspicious fire in Brighton at a reunion of people who had been in homes in Clywd.

Lea was horribly injured in the same fire, and died three years later, aged 37, from an apparent heroin overdose.

But his family claim he may have been murdered.

Chris, who ran away from one home more than 30 times, said last night: "Our family has been destroyed."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BRITAIN%27S+WORST+CHILD+ABUSE+SCANDAL%3A+A+LIST+OF +EVIL%3B+Abusers+in+child...-a060290695

The clouds are still looming large and thunderous after all those years. Still no justice...

angeldelight
22-11-2012, 09:50 PM
Yes I'm still up for it... not good to talk tactics on here tho... fuck alone knows who's reading...


+1

Am defo up for a meeting to if anyone is planning one?? ;)

white horse
22-11-2012, 09:54 PM
Also...I got waylaid following the Savile telly update by this amazing YouTube video...

Brian Gerrish...

SAVILLE AND THE MINDBENDING CHANGEAGENTS OF WESTMINSTER...

Sorry can't get link on this idiot I sod...

All sorts of info on this vid... Including how there has been an agenda in place to keep us 'ignorant'... Well not any more...you hear...

Sheesh how long you been here?!?! :cool:

Lol

Worth reposting though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmtp74vof5Q

green_butterfly
22-11-2012, 09:54 PM
Moderator Notice

I am sorry but a number of posts have been removed as they were either off topic or making speculative claims

Please be careful.... we need to lead the way and keep this thread one to be proud of

This is not only the most important thread in the history of the internet but also the best modded.

+1

allseeingipod
22-11-2012, 09:55 PM
Funny how abuse victims fight for years and their protests fall on deaf ears. No one in authority gives a shit. People's lives are destroyed and TPTB just go out of their way to sweep it under the carpet or cover it up. The few that do get compensation usually end up with with a piddling little bit of cash.

But a few people on the internet call multi-millionaire tosser Lord McAlpine names and suddenly every fucking person jumps to attention. BBC director general leaves his job. BBC chuck 185 grand at the odious arsehole. 125K from ITV. All this when the worst thing McAlpine suffered was maybe 72 hours of having his name put about on Twitter...when he'd been accused of paedophilia in 1994 (Scallywag) and 1998 (Icke). The allegations have been online and in the public domain for 18 years and he did nothing.

No one seemed to take the allegations seriously then. And most probably didn't this time either. So why the fuck the big hue and cry? And the continued hijacking of much more important issues and blatant waste of police time and funds? This whole circus has the whiff of Max Clifford about it. Whatever next - McAlpine getting his own reality show? He seems to be loving being in the limelight again.

noncooperation
22-11-2012, 09:55 PM
Please remove if already posted.
A new video I think.
"Exposure Update: The Jimmy Savile Investigation" (Part1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUf1r99lGkk)

only 97 views so far


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUf1r99lGkk

thentherewere4
22-11-2012, 09:59 PM
+1

Am defo up for a meeting to if anyone is planning one?? ;)

+1

centre_neptune
22-11-2012, 10:03 PM
Does anyone recall,i think,a BBC Sci-Fi show possibly late 70s or 80s where one of the high priest type characters was the spitting image if Savile,right down the hsurstyle and occult gown?

Dont think its Blakes 7,Hitchhikers Guide or a Dr Who character but i could be wrong.

Sorry for the vagueness but i definitely recall such a character.

Cheers

The Cat Priest from the Red Dwarf episode 'Waiting for God" (series 1 episode 4) shares a striking resemblance now you mention it…

trafficker
22-11-2012, 10:05 PM
So let me get this straight Fraud McAlpine, has struck rich, from both bbc and itv after not being named on either. Channel......

Why has darth laud, been so quite, the accusations against him were just as horrific, why hasnt he jumped on the gravy train? He was named too.

what about the others who are on the list....during this fiasco loads of mp were mentioned on twitter......why havnt they sued.

Fuck I think I saw david hasslehoff name on the list Philip scofield gave to cumeron. There you go david, go make yourself 250 k

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 10:09 PM
Pictures of soVile and the Beatles have been turning up here and there:

AT LAST!!! He speaks to us mere mortals!!

(For we are not worthy to hear your voice o master)



Sir Paul talks to us like we are fucking 5 years old.

You were 'close' to him, but you thought there was something supect because he didn't invite you in 'once'?

Are you more informative, and less patronising, in the full interview? How about you tell us EVERYTHING you remember about savile. Have you seen the size of this thread mate, don't spare us, we'll take all the details. Names/dates/places.

Despite the 'years' of closeness, he chooses this one anecdote to distance himself, king pop, from king perv.

Then he gives us a spiel about 'no underage kids,' Careful to stress that. Sir Faul is not rock'n'roll, he is niceness. No sex/drugs/rocknroll devils' dandruff and tv through the window for me no siree. For I am well loved by the Daily Fail.

Perrlease.

(I can actually visualise his flappy fucking face speaking to the interviewer... grrrr arrrgggg... Piss... starting... to... boil... nnnnggggg) :mad:

RIP John :cool:

Burning Underpants - YouTube

P.S. I just pulled this randomly off YouTube. Am I just stoned, or is the kid humming the Frog Chorus before he starts singing "Burn, burn, burn"? :eek: :confused:

real_jimmyjones
22-11-2012, 10:10 PM
Yeah, don't think they would've been named at all, certainly not in the report. Thanks.
edit - but 'mainly' is perhaps interesting??

Some names do not ring any bells and the blanked out names could be serving Police Officers or Council Officials etc?

discovery77
22-11-2012, 10:10 PM
Pictures of soVile and the Beatles have been turning up here and there:

AT LAST!!! He speaks to us mere mortals!!

(For we are not worthy to hear your voice o master)



Sir Paul talks to us like we are fucking 5 years old.

You were 'close' to him, but you thought there was something supect because he didn't invite you in 'once'?

Are you more informative, and less patronising, in the full interview? How about you tell us EVERYTHING you remember about savile. Have you seen the size of this thread mate, don't spare us, we'll take all the details. Names/dates/places.

Despite the 'years' of closeness, he chooses this one anecdote to distance himself, king pop, from king perv.

Then he gives us a spiel about 'no underage kids,' Careful to stress that. Sir Faul is not rock'n'roll, he is niceness. No sex/drugs/rocknroll devils' dandruff and tv through the window for me no siree. For I am well loved by the Daily Fail.

Perrlease.

(I can actually visualise his flappy fucking face speaking to the interviewer... grrrr arrrgggg... Piss... starting... to... boil... nnnnggggg) :mad:

RIP John :cool:

Hehe loving your vitriol tonight! :p

green_butterfly
22-11-2012, 10:15 PM
Yeah, I did offer my help on this.....but I think we need to have pub meet or something to plan part 2 of our operation paedo cull

Yes I'm still up for it... not good to talk tactics on here tho... fuck alone knows who's reading...

+1

Am defo up for a meeting to if anyone is planning one?? ;)



+1

Great minds think alike. Coincidentally (or not, Paolo Coelho!) I spent a couple of hours on the blower to Anders tonight. We should all meet up IRL soon, brilliant idea :)

discovery77
22-11-2012, 10:15 PM
Some names do not ring any bells and the blanked out names could be serving Police Officers or Council Officials etc?

Thanks. :cool:

trafficker
22-11-2012, 10:15 PM
THE names of the "missing" 28 care workers in Britain's worst child abuse scandal were obtained by The Mirror last night.

Some are among the most dangerous paedophiles involved in the scandal to rock North Wales.

Others are still being checked out to see if they harmed kids or were wrongly accused.

These are some of the 28 who local authorities are desperate to trace following the damning Lost In Care report by Sir Ronald Waterhouse into abuse at 40 carehomes in North Wales:

Paul Bicker Wilson, 49, residential care officer at Bryn Estyn. He was given a suspended sentence of three years and two months in 1994 at Knutsford Crown Court for assault and bullying.

Stephen Norris, 63, former residential care officer at the Bryn Estyn home.

He was sentenced to a total of seven years jail in 1993 for sex offences against boys.

Norris was released after serving half the sentence. Police say they know of his whereabouts.

Joseph Dodd, 63, officer in charge at Ty'r Felin. He was investigated, but the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to take him to court.

He later retired on grounds of ill-health. The report was satisified he did use excessive force on the children in his care. He was never been convicted of any offences.

Leslie Wilson, 48, sentenced to 15 months in prison for gross indecency and attempted buggery in 1977.

Michael Taylor, 58. In September 1993 he had four cautions in relation to indecent assault.

The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to pursue to court.

Jacqueline Thomas, 40, one of five people grouped together in the report who were convicted of sex offences against children in 1986 at the Chevet Hey home after an investigation which spanned 1981-89.

David Gillison, 48. As with Jacqueline Thomas, he was convicted of sexual offences in 1986.

He was a social worker not then employed in residential care.

Kenneth Scott, 48, sentenced to eight years in prison in 1986 for buggery and gross indecency.

John Allen, 58, founder of the Bryn Allen community.

He was jailed for six years in 1995 for indecent assaults on boys in his care over an 11-year-period. Police now say they know where he is.

Anthony Taylor, 71, convicted in 1976 of two offences of indecent assault on boys and fined pounds 20 for each offence.

Iain Muir, 51. Another of the five referred to in the report as being convicted of sexual abuse at Bryn Allen in 1986.

Bryan Davies, 52, convicted in 1978 on three offences of indecent assault, given a sentence of 160 hours of community service.

Norman Roberts, 66, and son Ian Roberts, 42, were both convicted at Mold Crown Court in 1993 of horse-whipping a boy fostered by the family at the age of seven.

They were both given conditional discharges and ordered to pay pounds 100 each in costs.

Malcolm Scrugham, 54, described by Sir Ronald Waterhouse as being among the "most serious offenders".

Gary Cooke/Reginald Cooke, 49, prosecuted in 1980 to two offences of buggery and one of taking an indecent photo. Also named among the most serious offenders.

Arthur Stephens, 71. Co-defendant with Cook and pleaded guilty to buggery and indecent assault. Sentenced to three years.

Albert Dyson, 59. Convicted in 1980 of three offences of indecency against a boy in care.

The list has been sent to the chief executives of local authorities, health authorities, NHS trusts and Special Health Authorities.

Last night one of the men was interviewed by the BBC. His face blacked out on screen, he claimed that he was being "hounded" as a result of being on the list.

He added: "Everyone who needs to know where I am knows my address.

"So why am I on this list being handed out ?"

The inquiry team feared those named could take-up jobs in the child care system.

The letter which accompanies it from the Department of Health warns: "The inquiry report names a number of people in connection with allegations of child abuse.

"A key concern must be to satisfy ourselves, as far as possible, that people who harmed children in North Wales are not in a position to do so now in any part of the country.

"Those individuals named in the report who are still working in one of the successor local authorities in North Wales have been traced and risk assessed.

"However, given the time span given by the report, there are a number of individuals against whom findings are made in the report who are no longer working for the successor authorities and whose whereabouts are unknown.

"We need to work together to establish the current whereabouts of these individuals and to ensure they do not currently pose a risk to children other vulnerable groups.

"We need to do this as a matter of absolute urgency."

The letter, marked confidential, outlined how Ministers were taking immediate steps to establish the current whereabouts of the individuals named.

It urges all those circulated to check employment records immediately.

The circular orders all those involved to circulate the results of their searches by 5pm today.

It goes on: "If you find that you are currently employing one of the individuals named or have done in the past, please inform...of the action you are proposing to take."

Meanwhile, Labour MP Chris Ruane tabled a series of Commons questions yesterday. He demanded:

-HOW many alleged abusers were named in the report; who are the "missing" suspects, what are their jobs and what offences are they suspected of;

-HOW many abuse victims committed suicide;

-WHO has NOT been prosecuted.

Mr Ruane asked for a promise that all relevant information about the mysterious 28 will be passed to the police.

He told The Mirror: "I'm surprised many alleged abusers haven't been named. Until all those named are in the public domain a cloud will hang over this entire scandal."

Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy is expected to answer the questions early next week.

However, for the John brothers, pictured with their sister Lisa, promises of reform come too late.

All four - Adrian, Lea, Jay and Chris - were assaulted over many years during their time at the Bryn Alyn home in Wrexham. Adrian and Lea later died in mysterious circumstances.

Adrian was 32 when he was killed in a suspicious fire in Brighton at a reunion of people who had been in homes in Clywd.

Lea was horribly injured in the same fire, and died three years later, aged 37, from an apparent heroin overdose.

But his family claim he may have been murdered.

Chris, who ran away from one home more than 30 times, said last night: "Our family has been destroyed."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BRITAIN%27S+WORST+CHILD+ABUSE+SCANDAL%3A+A+LIST+OF +EVIL%3B+Abusers+in+child...-a060290695


+1

alteredge
22-11-2012, 10:16 PM
+1

Am defo up for a meeting to if anyone is planning one?? ;)

+ another 1

shuffle
22-11-2012, 10:18 PM
[B]What about the Rule of Law? The law that protects every one of us, the very fabric of our democratic society, that protection we all enjoy: that we are all entitled to be heard in a courtroom and we are all innocent until found guilty in that courtoom?

The law is what hides these people,if it isnt the police turning a blind eye then its the procurator fiscal and dont get me started on the judges,you mean the infallible ones who preside over inquiries,dont make me fucking laugh.The law is an ass along with the government.

dopey
22-11-2012, 10:21 PM
Is there not a full transcript of the report available with the chapter references?

The only report I know of is the "lost in care" one.


http://tna.europarchive.org/20040216040105/http://www.doh.gov.uk/lostincare/20102a.htm

chillyheat
22-11-2012, 10:22 PM
The law is what hides these people,if it isnt the police turning a blind eye then its the procurator fiscal and dont get me started on the judges,you mean the infallible ones who preside over inquiries,dont make me fucking laugh.The law is an ass along with the government.

:eek: That quote looks like I said that.....Marilyn Stowe (ITVs This Morning's Legal Advisor)....Her quote :D

Re Edit :I read it wrong....sorry

trafficker
22-11-2012, 10:25 PM
Great minds think alike. Coincidentally (or not, Paolo Coelho!) I spent a couple of hours on the blower to Anders tonight. We should all meet up IRL soon, brilliant idea :)

I think we have a huge data base of evidence on here and is building all the time, and its time to sit down, put data in dated order, and get this information to the masses in a language they understand, simple and concise.

We can even put together our exposure vid (the bloggers cut) lol

the programme that it should have been.

I have so much ideas..............we need a saachi and saachi approach, getting our evidence viral, as we have said we need to meet

zuckuss
22-11-2012, 10:25 PM
AM I FUCKING MISSING SOMETHING HERE??????

WHY, WHY, WHY are ITV handing over 125k?? FFS, they absolutely DID NOT name McAlpine, ever, FUCKING EVER!!! Does this now mean anyone can now sue the BBC and ITV with NO PROOF???? Can I contact them and say "Hey you lot, I'm sure my name was on that list cos someone looked at me funny today, I want 50k thank you very much"

WHY ARE THEY NOT RESISTING THIS?? WHY ARE THEY NOT QUESTIONING THIS ON THE NEWS OR ANYWHERE?????

WHERE IS THE VOICE THAT WILL SAY "HOLD ON, WE NEVER ACTUALLY NAMED ANYONE. WHY ARE WE PAYING THIS?"

I don't fucking get it. I'm going to contact them and demand an answer, time and time again if needed, cos I am sitting here absolutely fucking bewildered at this pussy attitude.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!

obliette
22-11-2012, 10:30 PM
I took one name from that list Michael Andrew John Taylor, did a quick search and a Michael Andrew Taylor pops up.
He's a director of a lot of companies in the north west and east.

http://www.cdrex.com/michael-andrew-taylor/210977.html

A few of the companies sounds all 'common purpose' such as 'More grey cells ltd'

http://www.cdrex.com/more-grey-cells-limited-2829429.html

If this is the guy then being a nonce didn't stand in his way.



Originally Posted by alteredge
THE names of the "missing" 28 care workers in Britain's worst child abuse scandal were obtained by The Mirror last night.

Some are among the most dangerous paedophiles involved in the scandal to rock North Wales.

Others are still being checked out to see if they harmed kids or were wrongly accused.

These are some of the 28 who local authorities are desperate to trace following the damning Lost In Care report by Sir Ronald Waterhouse into abuse at 40 carehomes in North Wales:

Paul Bicker Wilson, 49, residential care officer at Bryn Estyn. He was given a suspended sentence of three years and two months in 1994 at Knutsford Crown Court for assault and bullying.

Stephen Norris, 63, former residential care officer at the Bryn Estyn home.

He was sentenced to a total of seven years jail in 1993 for sex offences against boys.

Norris was released after serving half the sentence. Police say they know of his whereabouts.

Joseph Dodd, 63, officer in charge at Ty'r Felin. He was investigated, but the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to take him to court.

He later retired on grounds of ill-health. The report was satisified he did use excessive force on the children in his care. He was never been convicted of any offences.

Leslie Wilson, 48, sentenced to 15 months in prison for gross indecency and attempted buggery in 1977.

Michael Taylor, 58. In September 1993 he had four cautions in relation to indecent assault.

The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to pursue to court.

Jacqueline Thomas, 40, one of five people grouped together in the report who were convicted of sex offences against children in 1986 at the Chevet Hey home after an investigation which spanned 1981-89.

David Gillison, 48. As with Jacqueline Thomas, he was convicted of sexual offences in 1986.

He was a social worker not then employed in residential care.

Kenneth Scott, 48, sentenced to eight years in prison in 1986 for buggery and gross indecency.

John Allen, 58, founder of the Bryn Allen community.

He was jailed for six years in 1995 for indecent assaults on boys in his care over an 11-year-period. Police now say they know where he is.

Anthony Taylor, 71, convicted in 1976 of two offences of indecent assault on boys and fined pounds 20 for each offence.

Iain Muir, 51. Another of the five referred to in the report as being convicted of sexual abuse at Bryn Allen in 1986.

Bryan Davies, 52, convicted in 1978 on three offences of indecent assault, given a sentence of 160 hours of community service.

Norman Roberts, 66, and son Ian Roberts, 42, were both convicted at Mold Crown Court in 1993 of horse-whipping a boy fostered by the family at the age of seven.

They were both given conditional discharges and ordered to pay pounds 100 each in costs.

Malcolm Scrugham, 54, described by Sir Ronald Waterhouse as being among the "most serious offenders".

Gary Cooke/Reginald Cooke, 49, prosecuted in 1980 to two offences of buggery and one of taking an indecent photo. Also named among the most serious offenders.

Arthur Stephens, 71. Co-defendant with Cook and pleaded guilty to buggery and indecent assault. Sentenced to three years.

Albert Dyson, 59. Convicted in 1980 of three offences of indecency against a boy in care.

The list has been sent to the chief executives of local authorities, health authorities, NHS trusts and Special Health Authorities.

Last night one of the men was interviewed by the BBC. His face blacked out on screen, he claimed that he was being "hounded" as a result of being on the list.

He added: "Everyone who needs to know where I am knows my address.

"So why am I on this list being handed out ?"

The inquiry team feared those named could take-up jobs in the child care system.

The letter which accompanies it from the Department of Health warns: "The inquiry report names a number of people in connection with allegations of child abuse.

"A key concern must be to satisfy ourselves, as far as possible, that people who harmed children in North Wales are not in a position to do so now in any part of the country.

"Those individuals named in the report who are still working in one of the successor local authorities in North Wales have been traced and risk assessed.

"However, given the time span given by the report, there are a number of individuals against whom findings are made in the report who are no longer working for the successor authorities and whose whereabouts are unknown.

"We need to work together to establish the current whereabouts of these individuals and to ensure they do not currently pose a risk to children other vulnerable groups.

"We need to do this as a matter of absolute urgency."

The letter, marked confidential, outlined how Ministers were taking immediate steps to establish the current whereabouts of the individuals named.

It urges all those circulated to check employment records immediately.

The circular orders all those involved to circulate the results of their searches by 5pm today.

It goes on: "If you find that you are currently employing one of the individuals named or have done in the past, please inform...of the action you are proposing to take."

Meanwhile, Labour MP Chris Ruane tabled a series of Commons questions yesterday. He demanded:

-HOW many alleged abusers were named in the report; who are the "missing" suspects, what are their jobs and what offences are they suspected of;

-HOW many abuse victims committed suicide;

-WHO has NOT been prosecuted.

Mr Ruane asked for a promise that all relevant information about the mysterious 28 will be passed to the police.

He told The Mirror: "I'm surprised many alleged abusers haven't been named. Until all those named are in the public domain a cloud will hang over this entire scandal."

Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy is expected to answer the questions early next week.

However, for the John brothers, pictured with their sister Lisa, promises of reform come too late.

All four - Adrian, Lea, Jay and Chris - were assaulted over many years during their time at the Bryn Alyn home in Wrexham. Adrian and Lea later died in mysterious circumstances.

Adrian was 32 when he was killed in a suspicious fire in Brighton at a reunion of people who had been in homes in Clywd.

Lea was horribly injured in the same fire, and died three years later, aged 37, from an apparent heroin overdose.

But his family claim he may have been murdered.

Chris, who ran away from one home more than 30 times, said last night: "Our family has been destroyed."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BRITAI......-a060290695


The names on the list in the Mirror are the 28 care workers referred in the BiB above. I'm not sure why some have been blocked out, but I think it is possible to work out all the names by referring to the two lists and cross-referencing with the relevant chapters in the Waterhouse report.

green_butterfly
22-11-2012, 10:31 PM
AM I FUCKING MISSING SOMETHING HERE??????

WHY, WHY, WHY are ITV handing over 125k?? FFS, they absolutely DID NOT name McAlpine, ever, FUCKING EVER!!! Does this now mean anyone can now sue the BBC and ITV with NO PROOF???? Can I contact them and say "Hey you lot, I'm sure my name was on that list cos someone looked at me funny today, I want 50k thank you very much"

WHY ARE THEY NOT RESISTING THIS?? WHY ARE THEY NOT QUESTIONING THIS ON THE NEWS OR ANYWHERE?????

WHERE IS THE VOICE THAT WILL SAY "HOLD ON, WE NEVER ACTUALLY NAMED ANYONE. WHY ARE WE PAYING THIS?"

I don't fucking get it. I'm going to contact them and demand an answer, time and time again if needed, cos I am sitting here absolutely fucking bewildered at this pussy attitude.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!

I love your passion zuckuss. We all feel the same. Plus millions of others in the police force, judiciary, media, military, government, even your common or garden freemasons...everyone is talking about it and millions are seething...

dopey
22-11-2012, 10:32 PM
Anyone know what "non dependant" drug overdose means? Thats what was stated at the inquest into the death of Lee Johns (or lee Homberg as he liked to be known as)

He's one of those killed in the Brighton fire. he was a heroin addict, or a registered one.

I'm curious to know what a "non dependant" drug overdose is and whether that can apply to a heroin addict who overdoses...or not.

salamander
22-11-2012, 10:32 PM
Sheesh how long you been here?!?! :cool:

Lol

Worth reposting though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmtp74vof5Q


:o

:D

Must have missed a couple of pages...

willow the watcher
22-11-2012, 10:33 PM
what was janet copes name before marriage?

cant find details of marriage on leeds registry

think this is it


Name: Gerald G W Cope
Spouse Surname: Rowe
Date of Registration: Mar 1990
Registration district: Aylesbury Vale
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume Number: 19
Page Number: 566
Find Spouse: Find Spouse


Name: Janet D Rowe
Spouse Surname: Cope
Date of Registration: Mar 1990
Registration district: Aylesbury Vale
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume Number: 19
Page Number: 566
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

concernedmom
22-11-2012, 10:34 PM
The names on the list in the Mirror are the 28 care workers referred in the BiB above. I'm not sure why some have been blocked out, but I think it is possible to work out all the names by referring to the two lists and cross-referencing with the relevant chapters in the Waterhouse report.

deffo

green_butterfly
22-11-2012, 10:34 PM
I think we have a huge data base of evidence on here and is building all the time, and its time to sit down, put data in dated order, and get this information to the masses in a language they understand, simple and concise.

We can even put together our exposure vid (the bloggers cut) lol

the programme that it should have been.

I have so much ideas..............we need a saachi and saachi approach, getting our evidence viral, as we have said we need to meet

You have to be a documentary filmmaker to do this. Mark my words, there are documentary filmmakers reading this thread and working on it...softly softly catchee monkey, it might take a few years but Fatty Perv Monster and his cronies will be brought to justice and are not going to die happy...

heartbeatsalute
22-11-2012, 10:38 PM
The one who has not spoken yet is SIR Mike Jaggers about knowing Saville.



http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/10/29/1319898241904/Jimmy-with-Mick-Jagger-an-002.jpg

zuckuss
22-11-2012, 10:38 PM
I love your passion zuckuss. We all feel the same. Plus millions of others in the police force, judiciary, media, military, government, even your common or garden freemasons...everyone is talking about it and millions are seething...


No, WE are talking about it. The MSM are just reporting it, but no-one is saying the simple statement "Wait a minute everyone, we didn't name McAlpine did we?"

If you were to google 'thatcher tory paedo' before the newsnight programme, McCunts name would have come up. Newsnight didn't create or change any of that. Icke & Scally named him in the 90's, and that would be the main sources of the google results over the last 10+ years.

WHO IS LEGALLY ADVISING THE BBC AND ITV?? ZIPPY & GEORGE?? FUCKING HELL I AM SO WOUND UP BY ALL THIS.

masked
22-11-2012, 10:39 PM
Anyone know what "non dependant" drug overdose means? Thats what was stated at the inquest into the death of Lee Johns (or lee Homberg as he liked to be known as)

He's one of those killed in the Brighton fire. he was a heroin addict, or a registered one.

I'm curious to know what a "non dependant" drug overdose is and whether that can apply to a heroin addict who overdoses...or not.

Yes, it would usually refer to either a recreational drug user (of any substance), or a dependant user ODing on something other than the drug of choice.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 10:39 PM
AM I FUCKING MISSING SOMETHING HERE??????

WHY, WHY, WHY are ITV handing over 125k?? FFS, they absolutely DID NOT name McAlpine, ever, FUCKING EVER!!! Does this now mean anyone can now sue the BBC and ITV with NO PROOF???? Can I contact them and say "Hey you lot, I'm sure my name was on that list cos someone looked at me funny today, I want 50k thank you very much"

WHY ARE THEY NOT RESISTING THIS?? WHY ARE THEY NOT QUESTIONING THIS ON THE NEWS OR ANYWHERE?????

WHERE IS THE VOICE THAT WILL SAY "HOLD ON, WE NEVER ACTUALLY NAMED ANYONE. WHY ARE WE PAYING THIS?"

I don't fucking get it. I'm going to contact them and demand an answer, time and time again if needed, cos I am sitting here absolutely fucking bewildered at this pussy attitude.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!

Its Tavistock programming, its to scare the (sheep)people not to get involved in this naming and shaming, it can bring down the government the evidence is right there.

Heres a twitter post that needs to out

Lord Alpine can you tell the tax payers why you have removed the the following quotes from the wiki account and to refresh your memory it was the following quote:

Art and collecting

McAlpine has had a great interest in collecting a wide range of objects since his youth. A few of these are beads, books, furniture, police truncheons, dolls, textiles, ties, sculpture, [21][22], and especially artwork.[21] He was an early collector of painter Mark Rothko[1] He was very interested in Abstract expressionism and artists such as Morris Louis and Jackson Pollack.[21]. He also collected the work of Australian painter Sidney Nolan.[21] He has made collections of folk art from various continents. [21] He was also interested in modern sculpturists such as William Turnbull, Naum Gabo, nl:Michael Bolus, and nlavid Annesley,[21]

At one point he owned a gallery on Cork Street. [3]
In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden".[23]

here is a link to the artist

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/7581124/Artist-accuses-police-of-being-transfixed-by-childhood-sexuality.html

By the way I am not accusing you of being a paedophile, I just want to know your intrest from a artist perspective,

obliette
22-11-2012, 10:40 PM
You have to be a documentary filmmaker to do this. Mark my words, there are documentary filmmakers reading this thread and working on it...softly softly catchee monkey, it might take a few years but Fatty Perv Monster and his cronies will be brought to justice and are not going to die happy...

Do you say as someone who knows? ;):D or is it just a theory?

I do hope the former!

dopey
22-11-2012, 10:41 PM
Yes, it would usually refer to either a recreational drug user (of any substance), or a dependant user ODing on something other than the drug of choice.

Thanks. So whatever he took that killed him it wasn't heroin then.

masked
22-11-2012, 10:43 PM
Great minds think alike. Coincidentally (or not, Paolo Coelho!) I spent a couple of hours on the blower to Anders tonight. We should all meet up IRL soon, brilliant idea :)
Sorry to butt in :o but are you guys not worried about making yourselves 'known'?
I have been really paranoid since reading this thread every night, thinking my google searches and browsing history are reflecting the subjects - am I over re-acting?! :cool:

herebesme
22-11-2012, 10:43 PM
Football, X Factor, shiny things and gadgets made from oil. When those things are threatened people might actually give a shit. I've realised that we have actually been trained to not give a shit. I'm really interested in shock tactics and I'm convinced there is an agenda to reduce empathy and sympathy.

It's a shame that I can approach certain friends with certain "theories" if they relate to administrative or clerical wrong-doing as that's based in "reality" but to mention agendas such as Common Purpose would blow their minds and I'd probably lose some friends.

I think I've already lost a very good friend through this. She works for a related organisation within the BBC and my very polite and reasonable request to find out how many time Savile had appeared on CiN was met with a tirade of abuse. Completely disproportionate to my question. She lied to me and when the truth was printed in the paper the next week she texted to say that I'd gone crazy and was sounding like a vigilante! It cheered me up because it confirmed my suspicions that everyone at CiN knew the score, but it upset me to know that one of my best friends of 20 years had to lie to me because of the pressure she was under from the BBC. I was also in love with her for ages which didn't help :(

For the record, I'm not a vigilante. I'm an extraordinarily relaxed man. She was frustrated because from this thread I had enough info to play text-chess with her and in 3 moves I knew she and her colleagues were lying.
It's awful to hear this stuff has ruined a friendship-upsetting. As someone who struggles with the frustations of dealing with all this information and the blanket cover up, alongside attempting to enlighten and slowly waken up loved ones, friends etc, I can only imagine how the interaction with your friend has been upsetting. V sorry to hear that.

trafficker
22-11-2012, 10:44 PM
Artist accuses police of being 'transfixed by childhood sexuality'

A world famous artist has criticised police for being "transfixed by childhood sexuality" after he was taken to court accused of being a paedophile.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01614/grahamOvenden_1614186c.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/7581124/Artist-accuses-police-of-being-transfixed-by-childhood-sexuality.html

zuckuss
22-11-2012, 10:46 PM
Its Tavistock programming, its to scare the (sheep)people not to get involved in this naming and shaming, it can bring down the government the evidence is right there.

Heres a twitter post that needs to out

Lord Alpine can you tell the tax payers why you have removed the the following quotes from the wiki account and to refresh your memory it was the following quote:

Art and collecting

McAlpine has had a great interest in collecting a wide range of objects since his youth. A few of these are beads, books, furniture, police truncheons, dolls, textiles, ties, sculpture, [21][22], and especially artwork.[21] He was an early collector of painter Mark Rothko[1] He was very interested in Abstract expressionism and artists such as Morris Louis and Jackson Pollack.[21]. He also collected the work of Australian painter Sidney Nolan.[21] He has made collections of folk art from various continents. [21] He was also interested in modern sculpturists such as William Turnbull, Naum Gabo, nl:Michael Bolus, and nlavid Annesley,[21]

At one point he owned a gallery on Cork Street. [3]
In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden".[23]

here is a link to the artist

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/7581124/Artist-accuses-police-of-being-transfixed-by-childhood-sexuality.html

By the way I am not accusing you of being a paedophile, I just want to know your intrest from a artist perspective,

BUT THEY WON'T ASK WILL THEY?? What are they scared of? They so need to stand up - who is going to stand up?

DAVID, if you read these threads, please, please ask these questions, and not to those who already follow you. I don't know how you get yourself onto these programmes, perhaps the producers don't have the balls to invite you. How about an advert during Corrie or something?

Maybe I'm rambling, but as I said, we all know this and we will talk it to death on these forums and the like, but until the blind out there are forced to listen and have something in their brain click, the MSM are going to continue to cower.

I'm going to email as many MSM newspaper columnists as possible, no matter who they write for, and do it again and again and again until they are so sick of me.

herebesme
22-11-2012, 10:47 PM
There really is no one you can trust. Such information needs to be as widely disseminated as possible around the web. If you go to the police, local MP, a journalist or reporter etc, the chances are that everything will be covered up.

It's rapidly becoming obvious that the least trustworthy people are the ones who are supposed to protect and govern us. We know the politicians are pretty much all corrupt. But it's also clear that the police are (Hillsborough etc etc) and so is the media (Murdoch and his endless phone hacking, BBC and their paedo cover ups etc etc).

The disease is so ingrained in the roots of the establishment that only something radical would bring about a cure.
+1 the internet is the most powerful tool we have. Hence the recent threats to Twitter users. Long gone are the days when memos were shreaded etc, to cover up. The internet must be their worst nightmare and something you can bet they have their plans to dampen down.

illuminumnuts
22-11-2012, 10:50 PM
I think we have a huge data base of evidence on here and is building all the time, and its time to sit down, put data in dated order, and get this information to the masses in a language they understand, simple and concise.

If anyone is up for the task of helping me create separate threads concentrating on specific aspects of this case, full of source material and decent comments, then can they please say so on this thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227546

It doesn't matter that we haven't got a Savile subforum yet, as we might get one in the future. At least we will be ready to stick them in there. Even if we don't get a Savile subforum we can at least, I hope, link to these new threads in the opening post of this thread. I have ideas on how to go about it and we can do it at our own pace. It need not be stressful and I just need some willing partners. :)

Get your name on the thread then. I reckon we only need 5 of us to get going with any real purpose. :)

trafficker
22-11-2012, 10:52 PM
Sorry to butt in :o but are you guys not worried about making yourselves 'known'?
I have been really paranoid since reading this thread every night, thinking my google searches and browsing history are reflecting the subjects - am I over re-acting?! :cool:

what are we actually trying to achieve, is a good cause, I have just realized over the past months that my whole life I have been set up, paying my taxes to sex paedo maniacs, and here is a opportunity to correct this for our future kids, we had one savile during our childhood, I suspect the new generation have hundreds more,

The Schools lied to US, the TV lied to US, the Politicians lied to us, the banks lied to us.....

concernedmom
22-11-2012, 10:52 PM
Watching a documentary on ch4 at present about a pyschopath stalker and the difference in the production and depth of investigation compared to Exposure is breathtaking and makes me really :(:(:( about the bullcrap that ITV fed their audience. :mad:

green_butterfly
22-11-2012, 10:53 PM
No, WE are talking about it. The MSM are just reporting it, but no-one is saying the simple statement "Wait a minute everyone, we didn't name McAlpine did we?"

If you were to google 'thatcher tory paedo' before the newsnight programme, McCunts name would have come up. Newsnight didn't create or change any of that. Icke & Scally named him in the 90's, and that would be the main sources of the google results over the last 10+ years.

WHO IS LEGALLY ADVISING THE BBC AND ITV?? ZIPPY & GEORGE?? FUCKING HELL I AM SO WOUND UP BY ALL THIS.

Thousands upon thousands of people are saying this, zuckuss. Just because the MSM aren't publishing it doesn't mean people aren't saying it. People in power with grudges and vendettas are saying it as well as us.

It will all come out. Bide your time.

presidentgas
22-11-2012, 10:56 PM
Anyone know what "non dependant" drug overdose means? Thats what was stated at the inquest into the death of Lee Johns (or lee Homberg as he liked to be known as)

He's one of those killed in the Brighton fire. he was a heroin addict, or a registered one.

I'm curious to know what a "non dependant" drug overdose is and whether that can apply to a heroin addict who overdoses...or not.

Overdose of a prescription drug, or a drug he wasn't addicted too, maybe?

bellahunter
22-11-2012, 10:56 PM
Not on twitter. Are people mentioning the itv £125 k payout

zuckuss
22-11-2012, 10:58 PM
Thousands upon thousands of people are saying this, zuckuss. Just because the MSM aren't publishing it doesn't mean people aren't saying it. People in power with grudges and vendettas are saying it as well as us.

It will all come out. Bide your time.

I don't hear them mate. I just hear us, 'the usual suspects', us 'nutters' and tin foil hat wearers. There does not seem to be one lone voice being broadcast, not one. Not one commentator, columnist, talking head or whatever even raising a quizzical eyebrow. They all seem to be towing the line of 'oh isn't it terrible, he's an old man, they shouldn't have named him, etc etc'. No-one is cutting them short and correcting them 'er, well, they didn't actually name him did they?'

zuckuss
22-11-2012, 10:58 PM
Not on twitter. Are people mentioning the itv £125 k payout

Bossk73.

ozpixie
22-11-2012, 11:00 PM
The whole script for v for vendetta could have been taken from this cesspool. Chils sex offences were about the only thing not touched on. i wonder why.

angeldelight
22-11-2012, 11:01 PM
I don't hear them mate. I just hear us, 'the usual suspects', us 'nutters' and tin foil hat wearers. There does not seem to be one lone voice being broadcast, not one. Not one commentator, columnist, talking head or whatever even raising a quizzical eyebrow. They all seem to be towing the line of 'oh isn't it terrible, he's an old man, they shouldn't have named him, etc etc'. No-one is cutting them short and correcting them 'er, well, they didn't actually name him did they?'


+ 1 :mad:

trafficker
22-11-2012, 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by yawper
This is my first post to a massive thread, so please go easy.

I came across this while reading The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson and thought it was interesting given Savile's Leeds connections. I don't think it has been mentioned before but forgive me if it has as it's a massive thread. Equally, of course, it could be a red herring, which, for the record, is Ronson's reason for raising it in his book. Forgive the many caveats too: I want to be fair to people living and dead. Also be warned: it's very graphic so stop reading if the human degradation getting to you.

Ronson writes:

'...it was said a teenage girl had in 1989 walked into a police station in Leeds and claimed to be a "brood mare" for some pillars of the community, including the chief constable and the attorney general, a member of the House of Lords.

"What's a 'brood mare?" the baffled policeman asked the girl.

She explained that she was regularly taken to a flat in the student district of Leeds where, in the basement, which had a pentagram painted on the floor, she was impregnated by the chief constable and his fellow Satanic Freemasons and then, later, the foetus would be ripped from her and sacrificed on the altar to Lucifer.

The policeman didn't know what way to turn. Was she a fantasist or an actual brood mare? Was his boss a Satanic elder or a victim of slander? And so he asked [clinical psychologist Paul] Britton to assess the testimony. He declared she was telling the truth; the police launched an expensive investigation and found nothing. No altar, no coven, no evidence of brood-mare activity of any kind. The case was quietly dropped.'

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/06/article-2058145-0EAE125300000578-910_634x543.jpg

Saviles hand is over her belly

masked
22-11-2012, 11:04 PM
what are we actually trying to achieve, is a good cause, I have just realized over the past months that my whole life I have been set up, paying my taxes to sex paedo maniacs, and here is a opportunity to correct this for our future kids, we had one savile during our childhood, I suspect the new generation have hundreds more,

The Schools lied to US, the TV lied to US, the Politicians lied to us, the banks lied to us.....

Hmm, you are right :) . I admire you guys on here putting all the effort in, & now trying to move things further forward.
Just be careful meeting up IRL (I am aware of forum ettiquette that newbies shouldn't be preaching to established posters, but sorry, I can't help myself :D)