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troyhand
27-06-2013, 01:11 AM
The Denver Post: Auto merger won't create "Rollswagen'‎
$1.95 - Denver PostJul 4, 1998
Sir Jimmy Saville, a working-class stiff who rose to become a leading television ... backed BMW's bid and has threatened to refuse to hand over the name, ...

Think that was a typing error :D

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19981003&id=OeYnAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9fEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6969,1295903
The Spokesman-Review - Oct 3, 1998

Here it is. Not much about Savile in the article.

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 01:13 AM
A reminder of the life and times of Savile

Dedicated to Michael Aspel - who doesn't remember ever meeting Savile.

So many people

With bad memories

(Must be something in the water.........;))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-4rIQbyxg0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmomZTFq2xI

oonalu
27-06-2013, 01:32 AM
Lady Goulding leaves ?1.6m LADY Valerie Goulding, (wife of Sir Basil Goulding), Dargle Cottage, Enniskerry, Co Wicklow, left an estate valued at ?1,593,555.





Entertainer Jimmy Savile dies - The Irish Times - Sat, Oct...‎
Irish TimesOct 29, 2011
Jimmy Savile surrounded by children at the Central Remedial Clinic when he ... Paddy Whelan/The Irish Times British television entertainer Jimmy Savile has ...




http://irishphotoarchive.photoshelter.com/image/I000086wMsR16vR4

jayjay107
27-06-2013, 01:40 AM
Sir Jimmy Savile in the Devon Valley Holiday Park, Shaldon. Circa 1980
with Black Rolls Royce soft top convertable reg JS 247

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcqi4_QW4QI

jayjay107
27-06-2013, 02:09 AM
Parson came up yesterday in relation to Birr Castle.

I was looking to see if the Savile family had any conection to Devon
and I noticed a Savile popped up who was born in Devon 1860.


Colonel George Walter Wrey Savile was born in 1860.1 He was the son of Lt.-Col. John Walter Savile and
Sarah Emma Stoddart.1 He married Ellen Louisa Parsons, daughter of Colonel A. D. Parsons, in 1891.1 He
died in 1936.1

He was invested as a Commander, Order of the British Empire (C.B.E.).1 He was decorated with the award of the Companion,
Distinguished Service Order (D.S.O.).1 He lived at Collatons, Bow, Devon, England.1
Citations

[S339] Descendants of William the Conqueror, online http://www.william1.co.uk/. Hereinafter cited as Descendants of William the Conqueror.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p58285.htm

troyhand
27-06-2013, 03:03 AM
Parson came up yesterday in relation to Birr Castle.

I was looking to see if the Savile family had any conection to Devon
and I noticed a Savile popped up who was born in Devon 1860.


Colonel George Walter Wrey Savile was born in 1860.1 He was the son of Lt.-Col. John Walter Savile and
Sarah Emma Stoddart.1 He married Ellen Louisa Parsons, daughter of Colonel A. D. Parsons, in 1891.1 He
died in 1936.1

He was invested as a Commander, Order of the British Empire (C.B.E.).1 He was decorated with the award of the Companion,
Distinguished Service Order (D.S.O.).1 He lived at Collatons, Bow, Devon, England.1
Citations

[S339] Descendants of William the Conqueror, online http://www.william1.co.uk/. Hereinafter cited as Descendants of William the Conqueror.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p58285.htm

http://www.angloboerwar.com/index.php?option=com_grid&gid=22_uw_0&p=46

Major George Walter Wrey Savile

SAVILE, GEORGE WALTER WREY, Major, was born on 14 March 1860, at Torquay, Devon, son of Lieutenant Colonel John Walter Savile, JP, and Sarah Emma Savile. He was educated at Marlborough College, and joined the Army on 6 August 1879, as Second Lieutenant; was promoted Lieutenant in 1880; Captain in 1887, and Major in 1900. He served in the South African War from 1899 to 1902, and was present at the Relief of Ladysmith, including the operations of 17 to 24 January 1900, and action at Spion Kop (severely wounded); operations on Tugela Heights (14 to 27 February 1900), and action at Pieter's Hill. Operations in the Transvaal in June 1900. Operations in Natal, March, to June 1900, including action at Laing's Nek (6 to 9 June). Operations in the Transvaal, east of Pretoria. July to 29 November 1900. Operations in Orange River Colony, June 1900. Operations in Cape Colony, south of Orange River, in 1899. Mentioned in Despatches [London Gazette, 8 February 1901], received the Queen's Medal with five clasps; the King's Medal with two clasps, and was created a Companion of the Distinguished Service Order [London Gazette, 19 April 1901]: "George Walter Wrey Savile, Major, Middlesex Regiment. In recognition of services during the operations in South Africa". The Insignia were sent to South Africa, and presented there to Major Savile by the Duke of Cornwall and York 14 August 1901. He commanded the 2nd Middlesex Regiment from 1905 to 1909; served in the Great War from 1914 to 1919 as AA and QMG, 49th (West Riding) Division, 1914-1915; Officer Commanding Troops, Town and Port, Rouen, 1915-1919; was three times mentioned in Despatches, and created a CBE in 1919. He married Ellen Louisa Parsons, daughter of Colonel A D Parsons, 2nd Madras Lancers, in 1891.

Source: DSO recipients (VC and DSO Book) (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Middlesex Regiment
...

Can't find anything about children

troyhand
27-06-2013, 03:21 AM
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/on-dr-clares-couch-26329417.html
Independent.ie

On Dr Clare's couch
04 November 2007

Jimmy Savile

Of his interview with Jimmy Savile, Anthony Clare writes, 'Jimmy Savile was not one of the easiest. Throughout he appeared exceedingly wary, like a prizefighter on his toes, anticipating a flurry of hooks to the head'. Saville is admittedly money-obsessed and throughout the interview, he insists that is devoid of any feelings.

Clare: Now what about your feelings?

Savile: I haven't found them yet.

Clare: Seriously.

Savile: No, I haven't found them yet. The only feelings I get is exhaustion when I have done about 19 miles in a marathon or when I'm fed up if I'm on a train and I'm lumbered on a train and somebody that's got drunk at the bar recognises me.

Clare: What about the feelings you had for your mother, the Duchess?

Savile: The Duchess. Yes, well that was, yes that was something because I actually enjoyed the Duchess. I didn't enjoy it in the early days because you have to learn to enjoy your parents, you see.

Clare: You've never married.

Savile: Oh, no, good heavens, no, couldn't do that.

Clare: What would you say are the features that make you ideal as a single man?

Savile: I like being on my own. I like climbing into bed on my own, and I like being able to do exactly what I want to do, when I want to do it. And now of course the ultimate luxury is that I've got all the money that was ever printed.
...


[follow the money]

troyhand
27-06-2013, 03:48 AM
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/sir-jimmy-to-put-the-kettle-on-for-prince-1.283248
Herald Scotland
From the archive

Sir Jimmy to put the kettle on for prince
Tuesday 6 July 1999

THE Prince of Wales will visit the Highland home of Sir Jimmy Savile tomorrow..


While giving his 200-year-old two-bedroom cottage, a spring clean, Sir Jimmy said: ''The prince told me I'd been round to his place for my tea several times and it was about time he came to mine.''

Fittingly, the cottage at the end of a 1000-year-old track through the glen is named Alt-na-Reigh - Gaelic for the King's water.

The 72-year-old, who made his name as a disc jockey in the 1960s and '70s, reckons a ''good cup of Scottish tea'' is the least he can lay on for the man whose mother bestowed a knighthood upon him.

The prince is in Lochaber to present a new mini-bus to the Glencoe Mountain rescue team on behalf of the Order of St John.
...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-23759223.html
The Herald
July 6, 1999

Sir Jimmy to put the kettle on for prince

THE Prince of Wales will visit the Highland home of Sir Jimmy Savile tomorrow..

There is no mention of the visit in the prince's agenda for the day which involves visiting the Glencoe Mountain Rescue Team, the reason being that he invited himself along to the home of Sir Jimmy, who is now in his 25th year as Chieftain of the Lochaber Highland Games.

While giving his 200-year-old two-bedroom cottage, a spring clean, Sir Jimmy said: "The prince told me I'd been round to his place for my …
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The Queen
FROM MIRROR 7/8/99

THE QUEEN TEA
Royal drops in for a cuppa with Susan

IT'S not often The Queen drops by your house for a cuppa and a cosy
chat.
But that's exactly what she did yesterday at the home of Susan McCarron
and her 10-year-old son James.
Delighted Susan talked for 15 minutes with her regal guest over a cup
of Tetley's served in her best china and a plate of biscuits.
The visit was an example of the Royal Family's new informal, meet-the-
people approach to its official engagements around the country.
And it went down a treat with widowed Susan, who has had four strokes.
She said: "I found her very easy to talk to and very nice."
The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh were visiting Glasgow's sprawling
suburb of Castlemilk.
She had asked the Craigdale Housing Association to select a home for
her to call in on.
They picked Susan's modern, two-bedroomed bungalow as an example of how
the association provides for people with medical needs.
As the Queen and Susan chatted at the kitchen table, the royal lady-in-
waiting spoke to young James on the sofa.
The trio were joined by housing manager Elizabeth McGinniss.
Although the monarch has had tea with several groups of people in the
past, it is thought this was the first time a more intimate one-to-one
chat with a member of the public has been arranged.
Susan, who previously lived in a tenement block, said: "It went very
well. I wasn't nervous at all.
"She was asking about the house and how long I lived here, where I
lived before, how I felt about the house and things like that.
"I said to the Queen she would know about people who have had strokes
after what happened to Princess Margaret and she said: 'Yes, of
course'.
"I felt highly honoured that she chose to come here."
Elizabeth McGinniss said later: "The Queen is a very easy, very
friendly woman to speak to.
"She looked comfortable, and she enjoyed the visit."

Meanwhile, the Prince Of Wales joined veteran entertainer and old pal
Sir Jimmy Saville yesterday for a slap-up afternoon tea at the star's
Highland home.
The pair tucked into Scottish salmon and lamb as they chatted inside
Jimmy's 700-year-old cottage in the beautiful surroundings of Glencoe.
And former Jim'll Fix It presenter Jimmy revealed he would be tempting
the prince "with a wee dram to send him on his way".
Charles was at Glencoe to present the keys for a new minibus to local
mountain rescue workers.

troyhand
27-06-2013, 05:43 AM
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Duke Visited Soviet Bastards "The Times" April 28, 2000
April 28 2000 BRITAIN

Duke agreed to visit Soviet 'bastards'
BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR


THE Duke of Edinburgh agreed to join a royal visit to Russia in the
early 1960s despite his concerns that "the bastards had murdered half
his family", files released yesterday disclose.
Although relations between East and West were strained at the height of
the Cold War, the Kremlin was anxious for a State visit by the British
monarchy. The proposed trip was suggested by Captain Henry Kerby, a
Tory MP, who wrote to Harold Wilson, the Prime Minister, after meeting
the Duke. Captain Kerby wrote: "Characteristically, the Prince said at
once that he would like to go to Russia very much, although the
bastards had murdered half his family."

The papers also show that the Queen later approved a bizarre proposal
in 1967 to send Princess Margaret and her husband, the Earl of Snowdon,
to Russia on a visit as part of a secret plan to persuade Moscow to
release a British "spy" from prison.

The suggestion came at a time when Russia was demanding a spy deal, the
release of two convicted Russian agents, Peter and Helen Kroger,
sentenced in Britain to 20 years, in exchange for Gerald Brooke, a
British lecturer who had been caught distributing anti-Soviet
literature in Moscow on behalf of an extreme Russian emigré
organisation.

Wilson refused to consider an exchange because Brooke, sentenced to
five years, four of them in a labour camp, was not a spy.

However, when Moscow began saying that Brooke would be put back on
trial facing more serious espionage charges, the Government began to
think urgently of ways of preventing a second trial.

It was thought that a royal visit might get things moving. Princess
Margaret said she was prepared to go. However, it was eventually ruled
to be an "unwise" move and the Princess never went. In the end, an
exchange was fixed which resulted in the release of Brooke in July 1969
and of the Krogers three months later.

troyhand
27-06-2013, 05:57 AM
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Eaton Pupils Die Overseas "The Times" May 2, 2000
May 2 2000 WORLD NEWS

Eton pupils die overseas
BY ANNIE FLURY

A PUPIL of Eton College and a teenager who left the school last year have died overseas in two separate incidents.

Peter Monnas, 14, fell off a jet ski while on holiday on the Caribbean island of Guadeloupe. He had been studying for GCSEs at Manor House, the same house as Prince William. Andrew Gailey, the housemaster, said: "Everyone is deeply shocked. Peter was a tremendously lively person, who had a great sense of fun."

Thomas Kadnan, 19, of Kew, southwest London, was found dead in a hotel room in Manali in India. He was teaching during a "gap year" before going to university. The Foreign Office said: "His death is thought to have been caused by a drug overdose."

John Lewis, Head Master of Eton, said: "It's been a time of considerable grief and shock for all concerned."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/735827.stm
BBC News - Thursday, 4 May, 2000

Eton pupil in May Day protest

A scholar from the elite Eton College could face criminal charges for taking part in the May Day anti-capitalism riots.
Police are investigating whether "XXXXXXX" MacDonald, 17, was one of a group of anarchists who wrecked a McDonald's restaurant near Trafalgar Square.
He was among 29 people held for violent disorder on a day of destruction across central London.
After the arrest, Mr MacDonald's parents withdrew him from the £13,947 a year private school attended by princes William and Harry.
The teenager from Twickenham, south-west London, was released on bail and must return to a police station next month, pending further inquiries.
Theodore MacDonald, 66, a professor of mathematics at Brunel University, said his son was not a troublemaker.
"My son went up there as a genuine protester. He is no thug.
"He is a young man who has got his own beliefs."
Mr MacDonald, who had been studying for English and History A-Levels, was one of 70 pupils known as King's Scholars who are selected to the top public school by exam.
Eton headmaster Jonathan Lewis said the pupil would have been expelled if found guilty of taking part in the violence.
"There could not have been any chance of his remaining in it. No school can condone violent behaviour of the kind to which he has been connected."
Nine police officers were injured as protesters attacked shops, restaurants, cars and monuments, including a statue of Winston Churchill in Parliament Square, and the Cenotaph war memorial during the protest which had been billed as a peaceful demonstration.
Some other anti-capitalist demonstrators, of the 95 arrested by police, have already appeared in court and have been fined or sentenced to short prison terms.
Meanwhile workers, including expert stone cleaners, continue cleaning up the aftermath.
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May 4, 2000

ETON RIOTER'S SECRET WAR WITH ROYALS
FROM MIRROR 5/14/00 [probably May 4, not 14. See BBC article above**

AS HIS SON FACES A NEW SECURITY NIGHTMARE THE PRINCE OF WALES IS ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE QUEEN

BEHIND a balaclava, "XXXXXXX" MacDonald hid the fact that he was a privileged Eton schoolboy as he joined in the riots that brought mayhem to London on May Day.
But, gloved hand raised in rebellion, MacDonald, 17, also hid a much more sinister secret...he is a member of an anarchist group plotting the downfall of the Royal Family.
And that sparked off a royal security scare because MacDonald was a fellow pupil at Eton of Prince William.
The alarm was raised when he was found carrying a Movement Against the Monarchy membership card when arrested during the May Day riots.
Detectives now fear the teenager could have passed sensitive information about William, 17, and younger brother Harry to the extreme left-wing group.
MacDonald was in a uniquely close position to the young Prince and would have been regarded as a key member of the anarchist group.
He was in the same year as the Prince, would have shared some classroom lessons and was aware of his movements at the pounds 14,000-a-year school.
It is feared that Movement Against the Monarchy (M'AM) leaders could have told MacDonald to gather compromising information about him.
Special Branch officers raided MacDonald's room at College House, Eton, and his parents' south London home after discovering his anarchist link.
They took away bundles of personal letters, files and books.
It is now likely that Buckingham Palace will order an urgent review of the security operation surrounding Prince William.
Detectives are also likely to interview members of Eton's left-wing Orwell Society which was set up by MacDonald. They are also investigating the activities of the 500-strong M'AM which is led by Ian Bone - former head of violent 80s group Class War.
M'AM is planning a mass demonstration outside Buckingham Place on June 3.
Last night, a highly-placed police source said: "The fact that MacDonald is linked to this group has very serious implications for the Palace.
"Guarding the young princes is a highly sensitive and careful operation. If their security has in any way been compromised, then changes will have to be made.
"It is not inconceivable that pupils with anti-monarchy beliefs could be passing on information."
MacDonald is understood to have become increasingly uneasy about being privileged enough to attend Eton. His father, Professor Theodore MacDonald, said his son had written a letter, resigning from Eton after becoming disillusioned.
The professor, who is a passionate believer in the achievements of Fidel Castro's Cuba, also said his son had gone to the May Day demonstration without permission. Special Branch will not publicly discuss the details of their investigation or what stage it is at. Asked about MacDonald, a Yard spokeswoman said: "A 17-year-old who was arrested in connection with the riots has been bailed to return to a police station on June 29." The teenager will only then be told whether he is to be charged, bailed again, or released.
Bone today runs MA'M from a post office box number in Hackney. But the movement's HQ has been traced to Rivermead House on the borough's rundown Kingsmead estate.
Here the monarchy's downfall is plotted by Bone when up in London from his home in Bristol where he organises events and runs fund-raising quiz nights in pubs for MA'M.
MA'M has also forged links with Comodo, a group of anarchists in Amsterdam opposed to the Dutch royal family. The group's latest protest is planned for Saturday June 3, the anniversary of the Queen's Coronation.
Insiders say MA'M will be holding a high profile 2,000-strong "moon against the monarchy" outside the gates of Buckingham Palace in which demonstrators will bare their backsides to the palace and the Union Jack.
New Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir John Stevens last week warned that anarchists are intent on targeting the Queen and the Royal Family.
Sir John said he feared further rioting and said he may consider asking Home Secretary Jack Straw to ban demonstrations which may result in public disorder.
Sir John said: "What they're going to be targeting now is the Queen and Royal family. So we have more difficult times coming.
"They are anarchists who want the Royal Family dismantled".
MA'M is also planning a protest outside the Queen Mother's home, Clarence House, to coincide with her birthday celebrations in August.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1367480/Eton-truant-gets-six-months-for-rioting.html
Telegraph 25 Aug 2000

Eton truant gets six months for rioting

A FORMER Eton schoolboy, who disguised himself in a child's wizard hat to throw missiles at police and attack a McDonald's branch during the anti-capitalist May Day riot in London, was jailed for six months yesterday.
The 17-year-old, who as a juvenile cannot be named, wore a badge which read "Queen Mum. Hurry Up and Die" and went "dressed for a riot", a court was told. The boy, who played truant from Eton to attend the demonstration, left the school after his arrest.
He had won a scholarship to the £14,000-a-year school and was in the middle of studying for his A-levels when he took part in the riot, which led to 95 arrests and caused damage to the Cenotaph and a statue of Sir Winston Churchill.
Friends and teachers at Eton knew him as a political activist who was a member of the Orwell Society but who was never seen as a troublemaker. Rejecting a call for him to be given a community service order, David Simpson, stipendiary magistrate at west London youth court, said that nothing short of a custodial sentence could be justified.
The boy, who pleaded guilty to criminal damage and violent disorder, blushed but said nothing as he was jailed. His father, a university professor, shook his head and his mother wept. Before he was led away to the cells, his father clasped his arm and kissed him on the cheek.
...
Mark Ashford, defending, said the boy's actions were not pre-meditated. "He did not visit the demonstration intending to cause trouble. He went there because he has political views that involve activism. It is only when he got there that he was caught up in the euphoria and hysteria," he said.
But he was interrupted by the magistrate who said video footage showed the boy wearing a balaclava-type hood and "dressed for a riot". Mr Simpson said: "It is not normal May Day headgear."
...
Describing the boy as someone who helped others and did charitable work, he called for his relative youth to be considered....
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/former-eton-schoolboy-jailed-for-may-day-riot-710769.html
The Independent - Friday 25 August 2000

Former Eton schoolboy jailed for May Day riot

An Eton pupil whose desire for teenage rebellion led him to take part in the May Day riots wearing a balaclava and T-shirt urging the Queen Mother to "hurry up and die" was jailed yesterday for six months.
The 17-year-old was sent into youth custody for a rampage in London that culminated in his throwing a chair through the window of a McDonald's in Trafalgar Square.
West London Youth Court heard how the boy, who cannot be named, was caught on video hurling objects at police and damaging a metal crowd barrier near Downing Street.
It was claimed the scholarship boy had taken part in the anti-capitalist demonstration out of a misguided need for "activism" after growing embarrassed at being sent to Eton. He wrote a letter "resigning" from the college shortly before the bank holiday march.
Police video footage showed the boy inciting rioters before he threw the chair at the McDonald's restaurant. Staff fled as other rioters entered, smashing windows and spraying graffiti. Damage was estimated at £50,000.
The boy was also seen throwing a traffic cone, bottles and drink cans at police while wearing a balaclava and a wizard-style hat decorated with lightning bolts.
Stipendiary magistrate David Simpson, sentencing the boy, said: "It was not normal May Day headgear. It looks like you were dressed for the part. You took a high-profile part in that incident by your persistent violent behaviour. You have caused many people, police and the public, to fear for their safety, possibly indeed their lives."
At an earlier hearing the teenager admitted charges of violent disorder and criminal damage. He was ordered to pay £26 compensation.
His father, a university professor, kissed him on the back of the head as he was led away.Mr Simpson said the boy could be released after three months for good behaviour.
He went to the march without his parents' knowledge after slipping out of the family home in south London while recovering from an illness.
His solicitors, who said he was in disguise to avoid being spotted by staff and pupils, told the court the boy had only turned violent after being caught up in the "hysteria". Mark Ashford said: "This was not premeditated. He went there because he had political views involving activism. However, when he got there he was caught up in the euphoria and hysteria."
The court heard he had been a promising pupil, who took part in charity activities including concerts and working with handicapped children in special schools.
The boy's father refused to comment as he left the court. He said at the time of his son's arrest: "He is a young man who goes to Eton and was demonstrating his beliefs. He is no thug."
...

Was this a reaction to the two Eton students who died a few days before?

goodness
27-06-2013, 08:46 AM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/25/article-2348485-1A7D04B2000005DC-713_634x415.jpg

Ashworth Hospital - has been leased to Her Majesty’s Prison Service
Savile visited Ashworth at least 2 times, officially.

In November 1985 Brady was sent to the high-security Park Lane Hospital, now Ashworth Psychiatric Hospital.

Savile was bragging that he had met Ian Brady. He said it was disgraceful that I was siding with Hindley against Brady. At the time he was doing Jim’ll Fix It, but he was interested in 13-year-olds.”

Savile, according to Miss Jones, was an apparently keen supporter of Ian Brady, Hindley’s accomplice in the Moors murders.



There are fears that the growing (Savile) scandal could spread to Britain’s two other highsecure units, Ashworth Hospital in Merseyside and Rampton, Notts.

Savile visited Ashworth twice and Rampton once, officials admitted
.

“He did visit the site to open a fete day for local residents in the late 1980s and he also attended a sports day in 1996, again for local residents.” (Brady was there from 1985 on.)

A spokesman for Rampton said Savile had visited patients in the 1970s





Has the recent coverage by the msm re: Ashworth hospital trying to prevent Ian Brady from transferring to a prison,mentioned the fact that Savile has met Ian Brady, has visited Ashworth at least twice, that there has been a paedophile ring, businesses run out of Ashworth, young children nearly naked being allowed to visit with paedophile murderers and that security was almost non-existent at Ashworth?



(see Fallon Report details below)


Scandals of Ashworth – Fallon inquiry



An eight-year-old girl was allowed repeatedly to visit a ward containing patients with personality disorders who had a record of sex offences against children;
She was given unsupervised access to one patient who had been convicted of indecent assault and attempted rape;
She also visited another patient who had kidnapped, tortured, molested, mutilated and eventually murdered a 13-year-old boy;
The report concludes the girl was being “groomed for abuse”;
The father of the child brought pornographic videos into the hospital;
Patients from the personality disorder ward were allowed to roam around the hospital;
Routine searching did not take place;
A small group of patients, lead by a child murderer, had intimidated patients and staff;
There was a drugs problem on the ward and throughout the whole hospital;
There were financial irregularities concerning a shop on the ward which appeared to be dealing in pornographic materials, including videos;
A credit card business was being run from the ward;
A child murderer ran an unofficial shop from a side ward;

The report found security was almost non-existent. Steven Daggett, the patient who originally drew attention to the problems at Ashworth, was able, while a patient at the unit, to change his name by deed poll, acquire a new passport and driving licence, and use a credit card to take out a large sum of money prior to absconding.

A full scale search in January 1997 revealed a stock of children’s underwear in the room of a man who had molested girls, and male pornography in the room of a child murderer. Both men had VCRs used for copying videos.


http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/broadmoor-hospital/ashworth-hospital/
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/276953/Jimmy-Savile-s-60-sex-victims/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9623109/Jimmy-Savile-Secret-of-BBCs-first-sex-scandal.html

unseen_influencer
27-06-2013, 08:57 AM
"Matthew Tvrdon, 32, drove his white three-tonne Iveco van on a "journey of mayhem" for eight miles over 30 minutes on 19 October 2012.

Karina Menzies, 31, died and 17 others were hurt at five locations in Cardiff."He told police what he had done was a "horrendous" thing and said he felt "hazy".

Tvrdon said he had not been feeling "right about himself or his mind and this was not a feeling he had before in his previous mental health episodes".

Dr John Crosby, a consultant forensic psychiatrist who was responsible for Tvrdon at Ashworth Hospital, Merseyside agreed he was suffering from diminished responsibility at the time."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22766580

goodness
27-06-2013, 09:08 AM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/14/article-1169945-04725885000005DC-277_468x286.jpg
Ashworth Hospital

http://www.interserve.com/resources/visuals/about/case-studies/justice/casestudies-lawandorder-hmp-kennet.jpg


http://chrisukorg.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/paul-corrigan.jpg?w=630
Corrigan: Killer ran child sex ring at secure unit


Fallon inquiry: Ashworth run by inmates not staff

Fallon inquiry: Management blamed for `therapeutic nihilism' that allowed unit to become awash with hard-core porn

A TELEPHONE call from Dirty Harry's bar in Amsterdam in September 1996 triggered the Ashworth inquiry that reported yesterday. On the line was Stephen Daggett, a convicted paedophile and Ashworth inmate who had absconded days earlier while on a shopping trip to Liverpool. What he had to say lifted the lid on one of the worst scandals to engulf the top- security mental hospital.

Last night Peter Clarke, the acting chief executive of Ashworth, said significant changes had already been made in both the security and governing of the hospital.

"There are a catalogue of events in the report that should not have occurred," he said. "What did occur here is appalling and is not acceptable. The report also appears to highlight our repeated failure to learn when things have gone wrong. In the past we seem to have investigated and drawn up documents and plans and failed to implement them."

After publication of the report, Paul Lever, the chairman of the Ashworth Hospital Authority for the past three years, resigned. Mr Clarke said he had done so in the "spririt of accountability".

Only when Alice Mahon, the Labour MP whose constituents in Halifax include Daggett's parents, produced a 60-page dossier based on his account did ministers take notice.

The allegations related to the Personality Disorder Unit, a block of five locked wards that housed some of the most intractable cases at Ashworth.

what emerged was that the unit was effectively run by its 115 inmates rather than the staff.

As ministerial anxiety about Ashworth grew, in the light of Ms Mahon's claims, a raid was ordered on Lawrence ward, part of the Personality Disorder Unit, on 17 January 1997. What it disclosed beggared belief. One of Britain's three top security mental hospitals, housing some of the most dangerous offenders in the land, had become a centre for the circulation of hard- core pornography.

In the ward shop, 41 hard- core porn videos were on sale. More than 800 other videos were found on the ward, 700 of which had been recently wiped or carried traces of pornographic recording. Some of the videos depicted bestiality, sado-masochism and child abuse and video machines were used to copy the tapes. One patient's room was found to contain 225 videos alone. Some of the material was locked in a medical cabinet to which staff had no key. The raid also uncovered quantities of women's and children's underwear. Another patient ran what the inquiry team described as a "computer consultancy business".

Routine searches at the hospital were farcical. One case involving Jim Corrigan, the nurse who escorted Daggett, recorded how he would sit on a patient's bed reading a pornographic magazine before leaving and marking it down as a search. He was later dismissed.

A few days later, on 7 February 1997, Stephen Dorrell, the then health secretary, announced the inquiry into Ashworth under judge Peter Fallon, which was published yesterday. Five members of staff were suspended, including the chief executive, Janice Miles. She resigned in July 1997 after being cleared by an internal inquiry. Her successor, Dr Hilary Hodge, resigned a year later, in July 1998, after senior doctors expressed "grave concerns" about her management style.

The first hospital appeared on the Ashworth site in 1878 - a convalescent home, Moss Side House, for children from Liverpool workhouses. By 1914, it had been taken over by the Red Cross and established a reputation for treating shell-shocked soldiers from the First World War.









http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fallon-inquiry-ashworth-run-by-inmates-not-staff-1046694.html

goodness
27-06-2013, 09:32 AM
@troyhand

http://images.clickliverpool.com/admin/article/articleimages/1271755701-ashworth%20hospital2.jpg





http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1727607.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Geoffrey+Dickens+.jpg
Geoffrey Dickens Conservative MP



A British Conservative MP has called for an inquiry into allegations that a "sexy cabaret act" performed for inmates at a top-security hospital for the criminally insane.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Oct 1, 1987

Geoffrey Dickens told reporters yesterday that the cabaret act, which he described as "a group of attractive girls in skimpy costumes," had recently been invited to sing and dance during a concert at Park Lane Hospital (now called Ashworth) in Liverpool. He said that he had received information from inside the hospital that the performance had aroused some of the inmates. Asked what, exactly, the girls were supposed to have been doing on stage, Mr Dickens replied: "I can assure you that they weren't singing hymns."

Tory MP's file on alleged VIP child abuse ring was destroyed by family
24 Feb 2013 11:40


Campaigning MP Geoffrey Dickens' widow ordered destruction of 'sensitive' dossier
A Tory MP’s explosive file on an alleged VIP child abuse ring was destroyed by his family after his death, The Sunday People can reveal.

Geoffrey Dickens is believed to have made two copies of his 50-page dossier highlighting paedophiles in Britain’s establishment.

They contained claims of police corruption, names of senior ­politicians and are believed to have referred to the ­notorious Elm Guest House.

The B&B in south-west London is the subject of a police probe into ­allegations that VIPs went there to abuse

boys from a nearby care home.

The Sunday People revealed two weeks ago how Mr Dickens gave one dossier to the Home Office in 1984 but it apparently vanished.

The other was kept by the colourful MP for Littleborough and Saddleworth until his death at the age of 63.

That copy was ­ordered to be destroyed by Mr Dickens’ widow Norma who thought it was “too sensitive” to keep in the family home. She died last year.

Their son Barry, 49, told the Sunday People: “My ­father’s file was ­destroyed after his death in 1995 because my mother considered it too sensitive to have hanging around the house. It had been many years since Dad had handed the other copy to the Home Secretary and ­unfortunately ­nothing had come of it.”

It means the only possible ­remaining copy of the dossier could be with the Home Office.

MP Tom Watson has asked the Home Office to produce the ­dossier. Officials are still trying to track it down.

url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ySpWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hOQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3175,211699[/url]
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ySpWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hOQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3175,211699
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/elm-guest-house-abuse-scandal-1728050

goodness
27-06-2013, 12:29 PM
@unseen influencer

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67992000/jpg/_67992395_67992394.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63608000/jpg/_63608616_menzies2.jpg
Karina Menzies was killed during the hit-and-run incidents in Cardiff on 19 October last year


5 June 2013
Dr John Crosby, a consultant forensic psychiatrist who was responsible for Tvrdon at Ashworth Hospital, Merseyside agreed he was suffering from diminished responsibility at the time."

"Matthew Tvrdon, 32, drove his white three-tonne Iveco van on a "journey of mayhem" for eight miles over 30 minutes on 19 October 2012.

Karina Menzies, 31, died and 17 others were hurt at five locations in Cardiff."

A hit-and-run driver killed a mother after deliberately setting out to knock over the woman and her children like "skittles", Cardiff Crown Court heard.

During the start of two days of sentencing, the court heard seven children were among those hurt as Tvrdon drove his white three-tonne Iveco van into them.

Tvrdon had deliberately tried to kill at least one adult in each of the five family groups he targeted

In July 2003, Tvrdon had his first spell at a psychiatric hospital after being diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

He was back in hospital four years later in 2007, and was apprehended by police carrying an airgun at one stage.

Tvrdon was treated for his schizophrenia over the years, but in 2011 he was discharged from psychiatric services because he was not considered to be a danger to the public or himself.

Dr John Crosby, a consultant forensic psychiatrist who was responsible for Tvrdon at Ashworth Hospital,

He told the hearing that Tvrdon should be the subject of an order that would "protect the public from serious harm" rather than a prison term.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22766580


Quote from 1999
Peter Clarke, the acting chief executive of Ashworth,...The report also appears to highlight our repeated failure to learn when things have gone wrong. In the past we seem to have investigated and drawn up documents and plans and failed to implement them."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fallon-inquiry-ashworth-run-by-inmates-not-staff-1046694.html

marny
27-06-2013, 12:48 PM
Woman arrested in Jeremy Forrest inquiry




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23084114

goodness
27-06-2013, 12:50 PM
Many of the victims and their families listened as the judge Mr Justice Wyn Williams summed up on the second day of the sentencing in Cardiff.

Several reacted angrily as sentence was passed and the judge made it clear that he will be detained long term for treatment in a secure hospital.

"Is that all he's having," one man shouted as he left the court in anger.

"They should have put a gun to his head," a second man said, as he also left the court.

Tvrdon appeared at the hearing via videolink from Ashworth high security psychiatric hospital in Maghull, Merseyside, where he will now be detained.


The Judge said:
"None of the victims knew you and the reality is that you did not know any of your victims."

He aded: "I accept that you probably believed that you did know the adults."

Why would the judge mention that?


He told police what he had done was a "horrendous" thing and said he felt "hazy".

Tvrdon said he had not been feeling "right about himself or his mind and this was not a feeling he had before in his previous mental health.

Tvrdon's recollection of the hit-and-run incidents was a "blur" and he was said to have told police: "I couldn't believe what I had done... I just went for them, went for all of them".Tvrdon said he had not been feeling "right about himself or his mind and this was not a feeling he had before in his previous mental health episodes".Tvrdon, who has no previous convictions, told police: "It felt like what I wanted to do was kill these people but in actually doing it, it felt really wrong."

The court heard that Tvrdon believed himself to be sane at the time but was convinced everyone was trying to drive him out of his mind.

"I know that person that did this wasn't the person I lived with for the last 17 months," his girlfriend said.

He attended a meeting with his line manager at the offices of Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs in Llanishen, Cardiff, just two days before he went on the rampage in his white Iveco van.

Staff at the office, who do not want to be named, claim Tvrdon’s behaviour had become increasingly erratic and he once turned up to work wrapped in metal chains like a straightjacket.

“But the management did not seem too sympathetic to him and after he had a breakdown he was basically bullied back into work.

“He was clearly unwell but they did not seem to care.”During his time there he suffered TWO breakdowns.

A spokeswoman for the HMRC refused to answer any questions about Matt Tvrdon’s time with the HMRC.



http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/98/84/1988496_84976c0f.jpg
"He attended a meeting with his line manager at the offices of Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs in Llanishen, Cardiff, just two days before he went on the rampage in his white Iveco van."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cardiff-hit-and-run-death-matthew-tvrdon-1934695
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/matthew-tvrdon-cardiff-white-van-1936044

oonalu
27-06-2013, 02:58 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/25/article-2348485-1A7D04B2000005DC-713_634x415.jpg

Ashworth Hospital - has been leased to Her Majesty’s Prison Service
Savile visited Ashworth at least 2 times.









Has the recent coverage by the msm re: Ashworth hospital trying to prevent Ian Brady from transferring to a prison,mentioned the fact that Savile has met Ian Brady, has visited Ashworth at least twice, that there has been a paedophile ring, businesses run out of Ashworth, young children nearly naked being allowed to visit with paedophile murderers and that security was almost non-existent at Ashworth?



(see Fallon Report details below)






http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/276953/Jimmy-Savile-s-60-sex-victims/
http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/broadmoo...orth-hospital/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9623109/Jimmy-Savile-Secret-of-BBCs-first-sex-scandal.html





http://www.clickliverpool.com/blogs/jeanette-smith/273-my-brush-with-jimmy-savile.html

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 03:14 PM
Vatican Rentboy and Satanism Claims Revealed by Paedophile Priest Don Patrizio Poggi
Serving and former priests hired rentboys for sex in churches from pimp who sold consecrated hosts to satanists, says defrocked clergyman.


June 27, 2013

Italian investigators have opened an inquiry into claims by a convicted paedophile priest that an underage prostitution ring has been operating inside the Holy Roman Church with clergymen hiring rentboys for sex inside churches.

Don Patrizio Poggi, 46, told Italian authorities that a former Carabinieri pimped boys for nine clergymen.

The former policeman used to recruit the boys, mostly eastern European immigrants, outside a gay bar named Twink near Rome's Termini train station. He reportedly sat in his Fiat Panda - marked "Emergency Blood" to avoid parking fines - to make his selection.

He was helped in the recruitment process by a friend who ran a modelling agency. He lured underage boys into prostitution through "false work offers for modelling and acting roles", Poggi said.

The agent also looked for rentboys at gay discos, saunas and gyms across Rome. An accountant was also said to be involved.

Full article:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/483867/20130627/italy-vatican-pedo-rome-priest-rent-boy.htm

And the Italian press hasn't screamed about gay witch hunts................

unseen_influencer
27-06-2013, 04:04 PM
In summary:

Northernlass made a long post featuring Dreamflight, which certainly does seem worth investigating in depth.

Goodness made a long post featuring Ashworth Hospital, which has very interesting and alarming connections all over the place and needs a very thorough investigation.

I found that Matthew Tvrdon murdered someone whose daughter was on a Dreamflight holiday at the time. I then found that he is connected to Ashworth Hospital – which JS has visited. The whole story seems even stranger now, and there are more strange aspects.

Quote: “The first hospital appeared on the Ashworth site in 1878 - a convalescent home, Moss Side House, for children from Liverpool workhouses. By 1914, it had been taken over by the Red Cross and established a reputation for treating shell-shocked soldiers from the First World War.: “

The 'Ely Industrial School' on Cowbridge Road East (where Tvrdon attacked people) was home to orphaned children originally from Cardiff. It had been set up to accommodate "pauper children" from 1863. It was very much a product of the Victorian age, and workhouse mentality, increased social awareness and responsibility saw it closing in 1903 and converted to additional workhouse accommodation for adults
(though never used for that purpose), known as Ely Lodge. The children lived in what became as Ely Homes.[3] The school was demolished some years later and an infectious diseases isolation unit was built on the same site.

http://templatev2.rt-sb.net/agents/36224/cmp/pdf/Ely%20wiki.pdf

“my mother had a very near miss with this tool. She was walking down Cowbridge Road opposite the reptile shop turned and saw the van coming straight at her..by the grace of god a pickup van pulled up by her side to drop someone off, so the guy had to swerve last minute. sadly at that young family across the road :(

we are blessed that she wasnt hurt but the cctv footage showing on the news is repeatedly reminding us exactly how much a fine margin this was.”

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=3450145&rid=0

unseen_influencer
27-06-2013, 04:40 PM
Quote:
"Many of the victims and their families listened as the judge Mr Justice Wyn Williams summed up on the second day of the sentencing in Cardiff.

Several reacted angrily as sentence was passed and the judge made it clear that he will be detained long term for treatment in a secure hospital." end Quote


"Judge Jonathan Rose of Bradford Crown Courts jailed 85 year old war hero, Norman Scarth, for six months because he attempted to turn on a recording device in a PUBLIC court hearing. He is hard of hearing and audio equipment was not provided before the proceedings started.

The public is OUTRAGED, and calling for his dismissal as the sentence is disproportionate, and he is being kept in solirary confinement in Leeds prison and denied bail. Remember, he is a frail 85 year old whose only "offence" was to turn on audio equipment.

The story gets worse. Leeds Prison is denying Mr. Scarth his medication for serious and painful muscle cramping. He has been suffering this deliberate torture since July 25.

Justice Wyn Williams of the Royal Courts of Justice has TWICE OUTRIGHT REFUSED to issue the prison a court order to provide appropriate care for Mr. Scarth by giving him his medication.

This violates UN & EU Conventions for Human Rights and the two judges have brought world attention to the UK, and criticism of the system and judiiciary.

Russia Today revealed the scandal several times during prime time Russian TV over the past few days. In addtion, the Russian Embassy released details to the media, and the story is published in The Voice of Russia. Russia is not happy because Mr. Scarth braved the Arctic seas as a Russian Convoy veteran of the Royal Navy, in order to take supplies to the starving Russian people during World War II.

Justice Wyn Williams is also denying Mr. Scarth his common law right to bail.

These two judges have brought shame on the UK."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/267626/Scandal-of-the-judges-who-shame-justice

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 05:19 PM
Well all this thread is for OP's mum basically, not for the rest of us to worry about.

Broadmoor Special Hospital is a place that keeps cropping up in the story. I heard the following from the unpublished memoirs of a mental health advocate who was involved in a Broadmoor visitors' group during the 90s.

During the 1980s a man called Paul Taylor, the son of a Greater Manchester Police officer, was sent to Broadmoor for a bomb attack on a Manchester police station which killed seven police officers. An immediate and effective DA-Notice was placed on the attack and subsequent trial and very little reached the public about the bombing, Taylor's motives or his father's connections and history.

Can anyone find anything on this ?

BROADMOOR

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061576621&postcount=70574

A former healthcare assistant at Broadmoor has been charged with selling information to journalists.

Robert Neave, 59, was charged today with conspiracy to commit misconduct in a public office by detectives investigating alleged payments to public officials.

Announcing it had authorised police to charge the men last week, the Crown Prosecution Service said the charge involves buying information including details about Broadmoor patients and the work of a member of the Royal family.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/broadmoor-healthcare-worker-charged-selling-info-about-patients-sun


QuestionS........

WHICH PATIENTS and WHY

A Royal ---------- which royal would that be?


Now what possible interest could the Sun newspaper have in these specifically that merited payments of £30,000 over a nine year period.

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 05:51 PM
Broadmoor

Just saw this - can't recall if it was flagged before - just thought it ''odd''

Simon Cowell 'planning TV show about Broadmoor'
Published Friday, Mar 29 2013

Simon Cowell is reportedly planning a TV show based around Broadmoor psychiatric hospital.

The show will be made in a Downton Abbey style, with Cowell's company Syco producing.


http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a469399/simon-cowell-planning-tv-show-about-broadmoor.html?rss

?n Do you pronounce Syco as Sicko or Psycho?

oonalu
27-06-2013, 06:37 PM
BROADMOOR

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061576621&postcount=70574

A former healthcare assistant at Broadmoor has been charged with selling information to journalists.

Robert Neave, 59, was charged today with conspiracy to commit misconduct in a public office by detectives investigating alleged payments to public officials.

Announcing it had authorised police to charge the men last week, the Crown Prosecution Service said the charge involves buying information including details about Broadmoor patients and the work of a member of the Royal family.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/broadmoor-healthcare-worker-charged-selling-info-about-patients-sun


QuestionS........

WHICH PATIENTS and WHY

A Royal ---------- which royal would that be?


Now what possible interest could the Sun newspaper have in these specifically that merited payments of £30,000 over a nine year period.



Well well well, large payments must be some mind blowing information , the only Royal we have been allowed to know about was Diana, my guess is its another of Lizzies posse , it stinks !
The Sun need to grow a pair and publish after all they need their money's worth :D:D

bellahunter
27-06-2013, 06:49 PM
Woman arrested in Jeremy Forrest inquiry




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23084114

His sister was on one of the daytime tv programmes saying that the girl was 15 not 11 . Like that made it alright.

jayjay107
27-06-2013, 07:10 PM
His sister was on one of the daytime tv programmes saying that the girl was 15 not 11 . Like that made it alright.

Slightly more than just that also implying he's not a paedophile.


Jeremy Forrest's sister says 'he is not a paedophile'
The sister of maths teacher Jeremy Forrest has defended his relationship with the schoolgirl, claiming he is not a paedophile.

Carrie Hanspaul, 33, told today how she thought he had been wrongly branded a paedophile, "because she was 15, not 11."

Forrest was sentenced last week to five and half years for five charges of sexual activity with a child and one count of child
abduction after the two fled to France.

Speaking on ITV's Daybreak, Ms Hanspaul said: "I think it was after the jury had announced the guilty verdict, she was actually
sitting directly behind me, Jeremy has just been found guilty and his instant reaction was to turn around to me and just say look
after her because she started sobbing"

When asked whether her sibling was a paedophile, she said: "It is the wrong word. She was 15, not 11. Underage yes, but a paedophile
is somebody who would usually target pre-pubescent girls.

"I think it's wrong that is what he is being branded".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10140870/Jeremy-Forrests-sister-says-he-is-not-a-paedophile.html

jayjay107
27-06-2013, 07:21 PM
And Carrie Hanspaul you are wrong.

A paedophile is someone attracted to children. Both Boys and Girls.
Under 16 is in my book is a child. He is twice her age.
Her school teacher FFS someone in a position of trust who
not only abused this but used it to groom an underage girl.
And that is exactly how many paedophiles operate you silly cow.

marny
27-06-2013, 07:39 PM
Jeremy Forrest tried to groom me when I was THIRTEEN claims former pupil


Perhaps the girl could even spot that, as a young person with reported problems including an eating disorder, self-harming and a broken home, she was intensely vulnerable and he wasn't so much helping her as finding excuses.


He liked to be with his pupils instead of the staff': Runaway teacher Forrest sent messages to girls at his last school and even sent them birthday cards


The woman, from Hertfordshire, was arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of attempting to pervert the course of justice in relation to the Jeremy Forrest case. She was later released on bail, Sussex police said.

Wonder who the third party is, friend maybe. Dont think there is much about love in this case. Dont want to be harsh but think he is one to watch. Wonder what else he was covertly doing as he did not spend much time with other staff. DOES NOT BEAR THINKING ABOUT BUT EVER SINCE THAT DOCTOR WAS FOUND FILMING HIS PATIENTS WITH A MINUSCULE RECORDER INSIDE HIS WATCH IN HIS SURGERY, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHOS DOING WHAT. THE HEADMASTER IN THIS CASE HAS COME UNDER FIRE AS WELL. ? HOW EASY IT MUST BE FOR THESE PERVERTS TO GET IMAGES. 35-year-old woman was arrested in Hertfordshire, a good distance away and some reports say she is 25.

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 07:40 PM
LENIENT JUDGES

Judge Joy saw his 10 year jail sentence for an offender convicted of a string of child sex attacks including rape, increased to a stricter penalty known as an IPP (imprisonment for public protection) which will see him serve a minimum term of seven years.

The original sentence could have seen the offender free in five years while the IPP means he will have to serve the minimum seven years before even being considered for parole.

He also saw a separate 10 year prison term for a child rapist increased to 15 years and a sentence of three years and six months given to a drug dealer raised to six years.

Behind Judge Joy were Judge Robert Juckes QC at Worcester Crown Court and Judge Daniel Pearce-Higgins QC at Hereford Crown Court with two separate referrals apiece.

(Stuart) Hall’s sentence for indecently assault 13 young girls was criticised by politicians and children’s charities for being too soft.

But the Attorney General revealed that around 150 people have so far come forward to demand that his office considers the 83-year-old’s sentence for referral to the Court of Appeal - only one person needs to request a term is reviewed to trigger the process.

Mr Grieve said he could not comment further on the Hall case as it is currently being considered - but a decision has to be made within 28 days of the sentence, which sets the deadline at July 15.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2349734/Is-Britains-lenient-judge-Crown-Court-official-sentences-increased-complaints-soft-criminals.html

So Stuart Hall's sentence will be decided by July 15th - the news will probably be buried under an avalanche of mindless royal drivel about Kate's baby.

marny
27-06-2013, 07:47 PM
LENIENT JUDGES





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2349734/Is-Britains-lenient-judge-Crown-Court-official-sentences-increased-complaints-soft-criminals.html

So Stuart Hall's sentence will be decided by July 15th - the news will probably be buried under an avalanche of mindless royal drivel about Kate's baby.
Yes I saw this tried to see if he had connection with Judge Russell anwhere along the line, couldnt find anything .I THINK GRIEVE HAS GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BUT HOW FAR IS HE GOING TO GO .HE KNOWS THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT RUSSELL, SO HE HAS TO GO CAREFUL. BUT THEN AGAIN IF ALL THESE OTHER CASES COME TO COURT REGARDING HALL HE JUST MIGHT BE IN THERE FOR SOME TIME.

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 07:55 PM
BROADMOOR

Search Exemptions
6.6 Where -
(a) The visitor is a senior* member of the Royal Family; or
(*
Senior members of the Royal Family are those carrying the style His
or Her Majesty (HM) or His or Her Royal Highness (HRH))
(b) a member of the emergency services who is attending to an
emergency.

He/she will not be subject to a rub-down search, monitoring by means of a
metal detection portal or to inspection of his possessions on that occasion.

6.7 A visitor who is authorised to have Hospital Security Keys will be treated as a
member of staff when entering or leaving the secure area so that he is subject
to searches as detailed in the Hospitals Staff Search Policy (S14).


So royals have free access and are nor searched...........

HOWEVER - the inference is that the likes of JIMMY SAVILE- (key holders) should have been searched.

Mind you - they could always have asked a ''friendly royal'' (or their security) to carry something for them................... assuming that the 'key-holder' search applied to JS and was ever implemented.

http://www.wlmht.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/S13-Broadmoor-Hospital-Searching-of-Visitors-including-Contractors.pdf

goodness
27-06-2013, 08:11 PM
Jimmy Savile Abuse Report:

Four offences are recorded at psychiatric hospitals, including one in 1991 at high-security Broadmoor, Berks. Another took place at secure Ashworth Hospital, Merseyside, back in 1971.



http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/the-truth-about-operation-yewtree-savile/jimmy-saville-witch-hunt-or-paedophile/

So, Savile had begun assaulting at Ashworth before Ian Brady got there.

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 08:17 PM
Broadmoor & Ashworth and transport/taxis


i know these 2 stories are not connected, but.......

mr bennett was a transport manager at broadmoor hospital, http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2103113_true_gent_sir_jimmy_was_a_real_friend

http://i.imgur.com/wers6uz.png?1

ashworth hospital transport manager laurence yates cassidy.......


Also, something and nothing....
http://i.imgur.com/gqdtdbq.png
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pegnmumtclkc&pg=pa191&lpg=pa191&dq=transport+manager+at+broadmoor+hospital&source=bl&ots=o2r_3se0ug&sig=roi7lb7drvehxfzn-db8jl0xkno&hl=en&sa=x&ei=nc9gubz_moiio4ydgdao&ved=0cc8q6aewadgo#v=onepage&q=savile&f=false
http://rudy2.wordpress.com/mental-health-law/
https://twitter.com/bluecresswell/status/261433604800909312

macho culture blamed for plight of female patients.
http://i.imgur.com/gpdvj8o.png

If you go back to the original post - you can see the images - just hit the white arrow in the blue box.

Ref a patient whose sisters cooked dinner parties for Jug Ears

jayjay107
27-06-2013, 08:37 PM
Broadmoor & Ashworth and transport/taxis




If you go back to the original post - you can see the images - just hit the white arrow in the blue box.

Ref a patient whose sisters cooked dinner parties for Jug Ears

Grandfather, 83, is crushed to death by runaway police van: Officers left the handbrake off, say witnesses

Pensioner on trip to Pudsey Park, Pudsey, West Yorkshire, with his son
Donald Bennett, 83, was eating an ice cream when hit by van
Two police officers had responded to a call over two youths in the park
The incident has been referred to Independent Complaints Commission


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334725/Grandfather-83-crushed-death-runaway-police-van-Officers-left-handbrake-say-witnesses.html

I'm not saying it's the same Don Bennett just weird.
Pudsey Leeds conection with Savile and strange incident all round.

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 08:50 PM
Broadmoor

@JayJay- agreed - so many instances.

Also another ''suspected suicide in Fuengirola -(where the Chalkley twins demised so recently) is all over the news.

@Oonalu - ref a ''PAUL'' AND 'D' notice on bombings- again maybe nothing, but from the Scnozzlelinks in my last post - this;

3. Janet Cresswell in The Independent on Sunday 16 June .
Today Janet Cresswell is featured in the ongoing IoS Investigation into the “Special Hospitals” – Broadmoor, Ashworth and Rampton. Last week’s Independent on Sunday featured “Paul” who has been in Broadmoor for 20 years.

http://rudy2.wordpress.com/mental-health-law/

Typically I can't locate the IoS article on Paul - s/b Sunday 2 June 2007 from the above ref.

goodness
27-06-2013, 08:50 PM
@WW


http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/sbres/45.$plit/C_67_article_2103113_body_articleblock_0_bodyimage .jpg?10%2F11%2F2011%2008%3A51%3A18%3A002
Sir Jimmy Savile with Don Bennett: Mr bennett was a transport manager at broadmoor hospital

Looks like they went on a cruise together.


I remember we went to Windsor Castle once to meet Prince Charles. He insisted I came in and met him too.



The Transportation driver from Broadmoor, drove Savile to Windsor Castle and went inside and met with Charles. Was there anyone else with them from Broadmoor? Were they making a delivery to Charles? Why was Savile being driven by Boadmoor staff to Windsor Castle?




And, predictably, he was awarded an MBE from the Queen.

http://i.imgur.com/WERS6UZ.png?1

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/21..._a_real_friend

marny
27-06-2013, 09:00 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/stuart-hall-jeremy-forrest-and-now-the-oxford-grooming-gang--why-this-sentencing-disparity-8677477.html good article.

oonalu
27-06-2013, 09:08 PM
Broadmoor

@JayJay- agreed - so many instances.

Also another ''suspected suicide in Fuengirola -(where the Chalkley twins demised so recently) is all over the news.

@Oonalu - ref a ''PAUL'' AND 'D' notice on bombings- again maybe nothing, but from the Scnozzlelinks in my last post - this;



http://rudy2.wordpress.com/mental-health-law/

Typically I can't locate the IoS article on Paul - s/b Sunday 2 June 2007 from the above ref.






WW


Have tried everything even deep web nothing zilch, that D notice mentioned was slapped on news and trial reporting, was it a security risk measure :rolleyes:
Also if several police officers died why has it not been outed by families ? Not even a spin on these deaths :confused:

marny
27-06-2013, 09:09 PM
John King – Leighton Buzzard/ Hertfordshire
22 Monday Apr 2013
Posted by Author in Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
≈ Comments Off
April 2013
Pervert PE teacher filmed Hertfordshire school children in 11 schools in their underpants

A pervert PE teacher secretly filmed boys and girls in a state of undress at schools in 11 schools so he could capture images of their underwear.
The schools were in St Albans, Watford, Hemel Hempstead, Welwyn, Radlett, Bushey and Flamstead
John King

Forest had sex with her in her uniform.i

oonalu
27-06-2013, 09:22 PM
Anonymous
11th November 2012
Sunday 9:02 pm 2247
Here goes more nothing and crazy dead ends.

Wifred De'Ath arrested under Operation Yewtree today. His memoirs are entitled Uncommon Criminal. "...not to mention his lifelong twin obsessions with sex and religion. A self-confessed voyeur who was recruited by MI5 to befriend a Russian spy at an orgy, De'Ath was a sexual predator whose..."

Published (or was it ever really published? copies unavailable) by Timewell Press. Whois for timewellpress.com currently down gives a house on High Street, Withington, Nr Cheltenham GL54. Very close indeed to a certain Yew Tree House.




http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5udaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=I4QMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2754,5052545&dq=wilfred-de-ath&hl=en




http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ZytVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hpQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5798,4955993&dq=wilfred-de-ath&hl=en

oonalu
27-06-2013, 09:25 PM
A high-profile figure in the disability world, who has been arrested twice over unconnected rape allegations, one of which involved a child with learning difficulties, is continuing to chair a Christian learning difficulties charity, DN can reveal.

L’Arche, which has Catholic roots but now describes itself as an “ecumenical” organisation providing residential “communities” for people with learning difficulties, told DN it “continues to have full confidence” in its UK chairman, Brian McGinnis, despite the two separate arrests by different police forces.

Mr McGinnis, a former special advisor for the charity Mencap, who is also believed to have been a senior civil servant in the Department of Health, has worked with people with learning difficulties for 40 years.



http://archive.disabilitynow.org.uk/search/z06_07_Jy/arrested.shtml



http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/media/cabinetoffice/strategy/assets/mcguiness.pdf

goodness
27-06-2013, 09:35 PM
http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Franey_Savile.jpg
Franey with Savile


Meanwhile, Alan Franey, the former head of Britain's top security Broadmoor Hospital has applied to run the trust fund set up in memory of Diana.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/13/article-2086103-00B084E900000190-683_634x431.jpg

Alan Franey (50) believes he is the right man to head up the fund because of his expertise and his close links with Diana who was a frequent visitor to the special hospital which houses some of Britain's most dangerous criminals. His departure from the £60,000-a-year post followed the completion of the Donovan Report, which examined allegations that pornographic videos were being circulated in the hospital and that patients wielded too much power.


Alan Franey's links to Jimmy Savile. Concern here is that Savile installed his own Chief executive at Broadmoor. Franey had "driven him to nightclubs in Leeds in the 1980's", and in 1997 retired early from Broadmoor after investigation into child porn ring They also ran in marathons together.


THE PRINCE OF WALES HOSPICE IN PONTEFRACT
http://www.pontefractus.co.uk/images/hospice/marathon.jpg
Saville ran in a team of five, which also included singer David Dalmour, teacher Tony Smith, sports centre official Neil Littlewood and Leeds Infirmary administrator Alan Franey.

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/polopoly_fs/saville_franey_2_1_1654382!image/728280415.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/728280415.jpg
Franey & Savile

http://www.hsj.co.uk/opinion/michael-white-the-savile-fallout-begins-now/5050761.article
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/spencer-rebuffed-in-euro-court-over-press-intrusion-26198920.html

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38926000/jpg/_38926049_broadmoor_bbc_story203.jpg

jayjay107
27-06-2013, 09:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viz_%28comic%29

Viz is a popular British comic magazine which has been running since 1979.

Occasionally, celebrities get the 'honour' of strips all to themselves. Billy Connolly has had more than one devoted to him trying to ingratiate himself with the Queen; Harold Shipman and Fred West got their own strip as rival neighbours trying to kill the old woman next door and trying to foil each other's plans (Harold and Fred - they make ladies dead![7]), and Bob Hope had a strip of him trying to think up amusing last words to utter on his deathbed (but ended up with just a load of swearing). The singer Elton John has also appeared frequently in recent issues as a double-dealing Del Boy-type character attempting to pull off small-time criminal scams such as tobacco smuggling, benefit fraud and cheating on fruit machines. Most recently, he was seen posing as a window cleaner and conning customers to pay him, before being mistaken for a Peeping Tom and given a thorough hiding. The strips always end with Elton being beaten at his own game by one or more of his musical contemporaries from the 1970s and 80s. Other celebs to have been featured in their own strips include Jonathan Ross, Russell Brand, Esther Rantzen, Stephen Fry, Noel Edmonds, Jimmy Savile (as the headmaster of "Pop School", as "Sir Jimmy Savile, the Owl" and in "Jimmy Savile's Haunted Head"), Johnny Vaughan, Adam Ant, Jimmy Hill, Noddy Holder, Boy George, Freddie Garrity, Steve McFadden, Morrissey (constantly finding daffodils stuck into the seat of his trousers, parodying his appearances on Top of the Pops), Busted, Eminem, Big Daddy and plenty more.

Sir Jimmy Savile the Owl
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k7P_PdrLf2I/UJPOdUFNgzI/AAAAAAAACoI/h-Haju5tz4s/s1600/js.jpg

goodness
27-06-2013, 09:57 PM
In 2002, 4 yrs after the Fallon Report:

A MANAGER at Merseyside's Ashworth Hospital appeared in court yesterday charged with possession of indecent photographs of children.

Laurence Yates Cassidy, 41, of Doulton Street, St Helens, appeared before South Sefton magistrates charged with having the pictures on January 8 this year at Maghull.

In a five-minute hearing at Bootle, the Ashworth Hospital transport manager spoke only to confirm his name, date of birth and address.

Magistrates renewed his unconditional bail for two weeks and adjourned the case until July 4 for committal proceedings.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Manager+charged.-a087558287


2002 - 4 years after the Fallon report which concluded...


"There are a catalogue of events in the report that should not have occurred," he said. "What did occur here is appalling and is not acceptable. The report also appears to highlight our repeated failure to learn when things have gone wrong. In the past we seem to have investigated and drawn up documents and plans and failed to implement them.

Ashworth hospital should close at the earliest opportunity".

He said: "The management culture of the hospital was dysfunctional. Senior managers were secretive, out of touch and totally unable to control this large institution. We therefore have no confidence in the ability of Ashworth Hospital to flourish under any management. It should close.
"


More details

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/broadmoor-hospital/ashworth-hospital/

November 2003
Jail for child porn Ashworth manager
A FORMER manager at Ashworth high security hospital has been jailed for nine months for downloading child porn on his computer.
Laurence Cassidy, 42, was convicted last month at Liverpool Crown Court for possessing 118 indecent images of children.
The father-of-two, who worked as a logistics manager,had left a computer disc containing the illegal images in a car used by workers at Ashworth hospital.
One of Cassidy’s colleagues found the disc on January 8 last year,and,following hospital policy, handed it to the computer department.
When the images were discovered, Cassidy was immediately suspended from duty and arrested.
A computer expert discovered the disc contained 1,800 porn pictures, which had been downloaded from the internet.
Among them were 118 indecent photographs of children.

The court heard Cassidy had experience in building computers and had advertised offering a computer maintenance service. He had always denied knowingly downloading child porn and had insisted it had been saved by accident.
But the jury rejected his claims. Geoffrey Lowe,defending, told the court Cassidy had accepted the verdict,but said he had never paid to subscribe to any child porn websites.
As a result of his conviction, Cassidy resigned from Ashworth hospital.
Mr Lowe said: “There has been a profound and deep effect on this defendant and his family.
“He has lost everything. His job has gone and his personal circumstances have taken an absolute battering.
“This was not a victimless offence -he recognises that.”
He added that Cassidy’s children had had to change schools because of parents’ reactions to his conviction.
As well as jailing Cassidy for nine months, Judge William George yesterday disqualified him from working with children and ordered him to sign the Sex Offenders’Register for the rest of his life.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ministers-refuse-to-close-secure-hospital-hijacked-by-paedophiles-1046643.html

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 10:35 PM
BROADMOOR



Sir Jimmy Savile with Don Bennett: Mr Bennett was a transport manager at broadmoor hospital

Looks like they went on a cruise together.

The Transportation driver from Broadmoor, drove Savile to Windsor Castle and went inside and met with Charles. Was there anyone else with them from Broadmoor? Were they making a delivery to Charles? Why was Savile being driven by Boadmoor staff to Windsor Castle?

And, predictably, he was awarded an MBE from the Queen.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/21..._a_real_friend

What's in a name - poss zero but flagging it non-the-less..

A cyclist is recovering after raising more than £3,000 for the charity that cared for his mum before she died earlier this year.

And Steve Bennett, 55, from Sandhurst got a boost from former TV presenter and supporter of Broadmoor Hospital Sir Jimmy Savile who presented him with a cheque to swell the funds.

Steve rode his bike from London to Paris to raise money for the Thames Valley Hospice in Windsor after his mum Pat, who died of bone cancer in April, saw a brochure advertising the ride last year.

Steve, who works at Broadmoor Hospital in Crowthorne,

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/local-news/jimmy-savile-helps-cyclist-raise-4235586

TWO BENNETT's at BROADMOOR - both good pals with SAVILE.



Bennett also in Rev DAVID BENNETT -paedo friend of SAVILE

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061219885&postcount=35575

Bennett as in JACK BENNETT- Greystones and Righton and PIE

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/41036-registered-sex-offenders-in-uk-the-sun/the-children-homes-organized-paedophiles-rings/

goodness
27-06-2013, 10:39 PM
Interesting use of wording in msm headline today

Sexy scaffolding: The renovating royals love a good cover-up

Vast photo of Kensington Palace hides vulgar site of poles and builders’ bums


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sexy-scaffolding-the-renovating-royals-love-a-good-coverup-8677457.html

Someone could probably come up with a good anagram..
Marlow?

An anagram is a type of word play, the result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once;


FYI:Kate Middleton and Prince William's Kensington Palace home refurbishment costs taxpayers £1MILLION

grannie27
27-06-2013, 10:53 PM
Anyone seen this ? Hidden Agenda ,Ken Loach movie from 1990

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8y_iPiciQ

Aside from being a bloody good watch ,a lot of facinating details regarding Heath ,Thatcher ,Wilson etc and how the secret services worked in NI during the troubles .

:)

goodness
27-06-2013, 10:56 PM
For those new to the thread:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2012/2/18/1329581195945/edwina-currie-pulling-fac-007.jpg
Currie

In August 1988, Savile was appointed by junior health minister Edwina Currie to chair an interim task force overseeing the management of the hospital, following the suspension of its board.[17][18] After the ITV1 documentary Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile was broadcast in October 2012, allegations of sexual abuse by Savile at the hospital, and elsewhere, were made by former patients and staff.[15][19][20] It was reported that the civil servant who proposed Savile's appointment at Broadmoor was investigated by police and prevented from working with children

Mrs Currie, who was a health minister in 1988, said notes on the links between Savile and Broadmoor were in the archives.

She told the BBC: "The Department of Health is currently digging them out.... It goes back at least 25 years, even 30 years and isn't just to do with me at all.

"But as and when documents do surface, they should be published in full. I have nothing to hide."


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GCcA_63BBfo/UH_xQkAs0QI/AAAAAAAAiH0/doWPDqwRCyQ/s1600/uk-justice-secretary-justice-kenneth-clarke-not-all-rape-is-equal.jpeg

Kenneth Clarke, who was health secretary at the time, says he was unaware of any claims against Savile. "As secretary of state, I may have been told about it. But I honestly can't remember. It was not significant enough.


http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Jimmy+Savile+1.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadmoor_Hospital
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20019993

pete675
27-06-2013, 11:06 PM
For those new to the thread:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2012/2/18/1329581195945/edwina-currie-pulling-fac-007.jpg
Currie



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GCcA_63BBfo/UH_xQkAs0QI/AAAAAAAAiH0/doWPDqwRCyQ/s1600/uk-justice-secretary-justice-kenneth-clarke-not-all-rape-is-equal.jpeg



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadmoor_Hospital
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20019993

Aargh! She'd be a rival for dear Cherie in the World Ugly Contest.. presumably John Major wore very strong glasses that he removed for any 'activity' with Eggwina.

oonalu
27-06-2013, 11:36 PM
Anonymous
3rd November 2012
Saturday 5:33 pm 2205
An anonymous comment found online in the last couple of days:

"..returning from Africa, upon disembarkation of her plane, she shook the hand of her waiting 4 year old first born son.

Born to be King of the Empire.

Yes, though the Regent Q is a woman and is always subservient to a King (in this case; in waiting). C, being a child, was represented by Mo/bat/n during daily business until he was of age (investiture as P of Whales) why M was more regal than a King when he dressed-up - with huge ego M was pushing a point of protocol in their faces, "I'm bossman," - Q was represented by a male proxy chosen from one of the 13 families at the top of the 'christmas-tree', in this case first Lord Ironside, then Roddy Sinclair, chief of the Sinclair's of Caithness. Suggest good look at current manager of Balmoral.

The strange thing is: UK has always prospered more under a Q than any King.

Can I be a trifle catty? Why then, would they allow the Q to rule after C came of age. Fallin' orf a horse an' breaking y' neck is easy to arrange, mmm?

I happen to know Q has here own security, totally separate from the obvious team. Only known to a handful, who fear him totally. He has carte blanche to 'do whatever it takes to secure Q's safety'. And is above all law. She chose him, pays him, turns a blind eye. He can, and probably has, killed threats and simply walked away, leaving the police - who could even have been watching! - to cover it up.

And he has possibly several very secret assistents working with him. Only he knows who they are. He knows and sees all.

So there are certain people foaming at the mouth they've been unable to get rid of her and get C on the john - sorry, throne!

It bodes ill when a man sits on the throne, as history shows these are the bad times."

welshwitch
27-06-2013, 11:54 PM
Anonymous
3rd November 2012
Saturday 5:33 pm 2205
An anonymous comment found online in the last couple of days:
..........(snip)


I happen to know Q has here own security, totally separate from the obvious team. Only known to a handful, who fear him totally. He has carte blanche to 'do whatever it takes to secure Q's safety'. And is above all law. She chose him, pays him, turns a blind eye. He can, and probably has, killed threats and simply walked away, leaving the police - who could even have been watching! - to cover it up.

And he has possibly several very secret assistents working with him. Only he knows who they are. He knows and sees all.



A SAVILE sort of person?

Found this odd piece too - bearing in mind SAVILE wandered in and out of Buck House and Westminster etc without being chllenged

According to this report, all members of the House of Windsor including Prince Philip and Prince Charles, show photographic ID each time they enter a royal residence. What is not clear, is whether that was the case before this security breach or instituted after the chauffeur’s tour.

stemming from this

Queen Elizabeth Security Scandal: Buckingham Palace – Hooker and Chauffeur Conspire May 23rd, 2009

Two “undercover” News of the World reporters were accompanied inside the Palace grounds. The hooker, a Lithuanian by the name of Victoria Voronova, made the first contact with the two undercover reporters, who were posing as “Middle Eastern businessmen. They were, of course, willing to pay to get inside Buckingham Palace. She put the men in touch with the chauffeur and boyfriend, Brian Sirjusingh, who was only, truthfully, an almost-chauffeur, not the Queen’s “real” chauffeur as he claimed to be, but nonetheless, he escorted the News of the World reporters right past security. They were not stopped, did not show I.D., did not sign in and were not searched.

No wonder NoTW were closed down

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3974

magoo22
27-06-2013, 11:56 PM
I wonder if Cliff Richard will be attending Wimbledon.

oonalu
28-06-2013, 12:03 AM
>>2230
OK, coyness over seeing as all these names were astonishingly shown on national TV today by Philip Schofield interviewing Cameron.

Lord Mac - may be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_McAlpine,_6th_Baronet - an explicit denial in the Torygraph has come from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green and I am tempted to actually believe it - may also be another family member from the Alfred McAlpine branch who moved to Thailand in recent years, has tried to sell the family mansion and publishes a monthly 'Travelogue' straight outta Pattaya's Darkside which really does appear to be aimed at sex tourists.


***** - - involved in murder of Michael Colvin and his wife at Tangley House. See also Neil Hamilton rape parties, and the very murky road that led Simon Regan to investigating Diana.

Next question officer ;



Maybe


http://www.statscrop.com/www/marchbrook.co.uk




JB's TRAVELOGUES | John Bell's Travelogues - Marchbrook Leisure
marchbrook.co.uk/blog
Here is the latest Travelogue 97 for your perusal. Click the image to view. Posted in General · Travelogue 96. Posted May 10, 2013. Here is Travelogue 96 for ...






According to the newspaper, the last of the McAlpines to live in the hall was Sir Alfred's grandson John Bell, who left to live in the Far East two years ago.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northeastwales/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8805000/8805496.stm

oonalu
28-06-2013, 12:12 AM
A SAVILE sort of person?

Found this odd piece too - bearing in mind SAVILE wandered in and out of Buck House and Westminster etc without being chllenged



stemming from this

Queen Elizabeth Security Scandal: Buckingham Palace – Hooker and Chauffeur Conspire May 23rd, 2009



No wonder NoTW were closed down

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3974






Starting to make sense now ;)

oonalu
28-06-2013, 12:26 AM
MARCHBROOK LEISURE




http://www.google.com/search?q=John+bell+marchweil+hall&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=newspapers

oonalu
28-06-2013, 12:34 AM
Anonymous
8th November 2012
Thursday 11:29 am 2223
People blogging about the 23 year old Tom Kenyon being found with a 19 year old should stop and think for a second. It was G.C.'s flat that was being used and the photos were found there featured the well-known faces. Kenyon was exploited himself. Yes the Masonic influence in the Kenyon connection came through, nice to see Newscorp reminding us of that yesterday in The Times report. Of course this story's release is part of Murdoch's revenge, if you can't see that you are a fool but he underestimates the number of different factions involved.

Makes you wonder what other photos from before the digital age are safely behind lock and key http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bank-job-that-opened-the-door-on-a-royal-293740

There is a different candidate for Lord the other branch of the family who had the business disputes and eventual collapse: the Travelogues published by that bloke who went permanently to Thailand a few years ago are quite revealing.

oonalu
28-06-2013, 12:37 AM
It is more widely known now that the 'son of the peer' referred to in http://www.nickdavies.net/1997/10/01/secrecy-imposed-on-the-exposure-of-alleged-child-abuse-news-and-feature/ was the son of Lord Kenyon, who went on to die young of AIDS . At the time of his arrest the age of consent for homosexual men was 21. The flat, also the flat in which two named witnesses have repeated for almost twenty years that they were raped, cut, humilated and sexually tortured by a group of non-consensual S&M buffs who included senior police officers, judges and MPs, belonged to a Mr Gary Cooke. Other survivors were murdered before they could give statements in an arson attack in Brighton and their relatives were threatened with death by thugs connected to an infamous SE property owner (N van H) if they questioned the inquest into the arson.

All in all, tipping point has well and truly been reached and I can't imagine a certain North Wales policeman, freemason and Rotarian who received mysteriously quick promotions at the time will be seen on the golf course soon. With luck the cunt will take a few down with him.

oonalu
28-06-2013, 12:43 AM
>>2241

The Brittain word of mouth stuff strikes a cord with similar stories I've heard word of mouth. Oddly the biggest hook-up site for those people in the UK is closing. I'm wondering if the owner has been interviewed as part or Yewtree?

https://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/340506/




Anonymous
13th November 2012
Tuesday 5:02 pm 2265
>>2261

The IC owner is a very secretive, to the point of paranoia, chap who goes by the online name of Tanos. He is based in Manchester and is a lecturer in something related to IT.

troyhand
28-06-2013, 12:59 AM
From Discovery's Timeline
1982, July 9th - Queen is visited by an intruder in her bedroom. Michael Fagan climbs over the walls surrounding Buckingham palace,
breaks into Buckingham Palace undetected, then makes his way to the Queen’s bed chamber, where he wakes her up and sits on her bed for about 10 minutes. The 6th breach of security at the Queen's London residence that year, there is a clamour to know why the Queen’s security has been breached so many times.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/9/newsid_2498000/2498731.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Fagan_incident
Suggestions of a cover up - "grave suspicions that the authorities hoped to cover up the incident". "Why no alarms" -if did why no police? "How did Fagan know exact location of Queens apartments, not to mention Royal bedroom?"(Toledo Blade, July 13th 82)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=b6wxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MAMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2989,1373898&dq=willie+whitelaw+queen+cover+ups&hl=en
(24th Sept 1982 - BY NICK DAVIES! - 'Buckingham Palace intruder cleared of burglary')
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2012/sep/24/michael-fagan-buckingham-palace-archive-1982
Update on details by intruder interview last year. Claims he was given whisky.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/9091612/Buckingham-Palace-intruder-Michael-Fagan-given-whisky-by-Queens-staff.html
(by Nick Britten, Telegraph, 19 February 2012).


http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2012/sep/24/michael-fagan-buckingham-palace-archive-1982
The Guardian - 24 September 1982
Buckingham Palace intruder cleared of burglary

Michael Fagan, who broke into Buckingham Palace twice, is acquitted of burglary at the Old Bailey
An Old Bailey jury heard yesterday how unemployed decorator Michael Fagan broke into Buckingham Palace, frightened a Royal chambermaid, and then spent an hour "looking at the art" before leaving undetected.
It was only when he was arrested in the Queen's private suite four weeks later that he was brought to book for that first visit. He denied burgling Buckingham Palace and stealing a quantity of wine.
When yesterday's trial opened, Mr Fagan sat in the dock smiling at his weeping mother and sisters. He removed his false teeth, winked at two teenage girls in the gallery :eek: and at one point broke into a long groan before bursting into tears. The Recorder, Mr James Miskin QC, told him to be quiet.
The Crown presented a detailed picture of the events of the night of June 7, which began at about 11.30, when Mr Fagan climbed over the palace fence and shinned up a drain-pipe to a flat roof. He was bare-footed, unshaven, wearing jeans and a sweatshirt.
"I wanted to see the Queen," he is said to have told police later. "I want to know who I am, but only she knows and can tell me. I have told my sister I am in love with Elizabeth Regina." Eeaaggghhh!!!!
He made his way via another drain-pipe to the third-floor window of room 151, where one of the royal housemaids, Sarah Carter, was sitting reading. She ran from the room and found two other maids. Fagan walked through Miss Carter's room and into the corridor.
He told the court: "I walked straight in. I was surprised I wasn't captured straight away. I could have been a rapist or something. I knew I could break the security system because it was so weak."
Mr Fagan said he followed the pictures down the corridor and passed a room with Mark Phillips's name on the door. "I gathered it was probably their bedroom, so I decided not to disturb them and carried on."
He found his way to room 108, where the public's gifts for the baby expected by the Princess of Wales were being stored, shuffled through some papers, found a bottle of wine in the cabinet and sat down to have a drink. :cool:
On the other side of the palace the three chambermaids raised the alarm. Sergeant Jeffrey Braithwaite walked back to Miss Carter's room with them. He decided to organise a search.
By now Mr Fagan had drunk half the bottle of wine. "I was waiting to be captured," he told the court. "I drank it because I was waiting for someone to come."
He decided to leave. "I couldn't find anyone," he told police later, "so I thought, 'Sod it' and I went out and went home."
Four weeks later Mr Fagan returned to the palace :rolleyes:, using the same drain-pipe to reach the roof and then getting in to the building through a different window. It was seven o'clock on the morning of July 9. He had drunk about 10 glasses of whisky. ;)
In a statement the Queen's footman, Mr Paul Wybrew, said that at about 7.15 he had walked past the pantry and seen the Queen's personal chambermaid standing by the sink with a man he did not recognise.
The man kept saying he wanted to talk to the Queen. The footman told him, "All right, but let her get dressed first." When the man insisted that it was urgent the footman had stood in his way to stop him leaving.
Mr Wybrew said: "The man seemed very tense and I said: 'Would you like a drink?';) Immediately he became more affable and replied: 'Yes please, I'll have a scotch.'" [11 whiskeys later]
A few minutes later, PC Robert Roberts arrived to find Mr Fagan sitting on the sideboard, swinging his feet and drinking a whisky.
Summing up, the Recorder told the jury: "You must be sure that he entered Buckingham Palace as a trespasser. You need not waste more than three seconds on that.
"He did take the wine away," said the judge. "He took it out of the cupboard where its owner had left it and then poured it down his throat so it could not be used again. So you won't have any difficulty about appropriation." :p
The final point was to decide whether the defendant had acted dishonestly. Sending the jury out, Judge Miskin said it would probably take them only 10 minutes to reach a decision. Fourteen minutes later they returned to announce that they had unanimously acquitted Mr Fagan of burglary.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=V8EsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GxQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6703,3644822
Star-News - Oct 16, 1982
Palace intruder put in mental hospital

Buckingham Palace intruder Michael Fagan has begun an indefinite stay at a maximum-security mental hospital occupied mainly by the criminally insane, hospital staff said Friday.
Fagan, 30, was examined by doctors and moved into Park Lane Hospital, a 2-year-old facility surrounded by a 20-foot-high concrete wall and located near the northwest port city of Liverpool.
Staff members who did not want to be identified said he arrived at the hospital secretly under escort Tuesday, a week after he was convicted of car theft at London's Old Bailey Central Criminal Court.
During his trial, psychiatrists testified that Fagan was mentally ill and posed a danger to Queen Elizabeth II.
Fagan has confessed to breaking into Buckingham Palace on July 9 and sneaking into the queen's bedroom, where he sat on her bed holding a broken ashtray and chatting with her until she was able to summon help.
Fagan was never charged in that incident.

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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zuMdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3ikEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2708,3517554
The Milwaukee Journal - Oct 16, 1982
Palace intruder moved

Buckingham Palace intruder Michael Fagan has begun an indefinite stay at a maximum-security mental hospital, hospital staff said Friday.
Fagan, 30, was examined by doctors and secretly moved into Park Lane Hospital. He was convicted of car theft a week ago Tuesday, and during his trial psychiatrists said he was mentally ill and posed a danger to Queen Elizabeth.
Fagan confessed to breaking into Buckingham Palace on July 9 and sneaking into the queen's bedroom, where he sat on her bed chatting with her until she was able to summon help. Fagan was never charged in that incident, probably to avoid having the queen testify, and he was acquitted of stealing wine during an earlier palace break-in.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FpdPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-wUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3649,1751127
Ocala Star-Banner - Oct 19, 1982
Palace Intruder Attacked Fellow Inmate In Asylum

Staff members of a mental hospital claim Buckingham Palace intruder Michael Fagan attacked a fellow patient with a pool cue to prove he is "top dog" at the asylum, the news agency Press Association reported today.
The domestic agency quoted personnel at the maximum-security Park Lane mental hospital near Liverpool in northwest England as saying Fagan clubbed 21-year-old Philip Baxter, hospitalized last year for attacking two elderly men with an axe, to the ground last Saturday.
The report quoted hospital administrator Eric Postles as saying he was not sure whether the attack occurred. But he added, "I shall be asking for a report on these claims."
Press Association said the alleged attack came four days after the 30-year-old Fagan arrived at the hospital to begin an indefinite stay on orders of London's Central Criminal Court.
Fagan created a worldwide sensation last July 9 when he slipped into the bedroom of Queen Elizabeth II, perched on her bed and told the startled monarch he loved her.
The news agency quoted a nurse at the hospital as saying: "Fagan was strutting round the ward, bragging that he was Park Lane's new top dog. He was boasting about the massive press coverage that his palace intrusion received."
The agency said Fagan was overpowered by male nurses at the hospital, which is occupied mainly by the criminally insane.
Fagan admitted entering the queen's bedroom, but because trespassing is not a criminal offense under English law he was never charges with that incident. He was acquitted of stealing wine during an earlier break-in at the palace.
Fagan also was cleared of assaulting his 14-year-old stepson when the youth failed to show up in court:eek:, but he was convicted on a separate count of car theft.

[also appeared in the Nashua Telegrah, Nashua, New Hampshire]
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=uqMrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rvwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3281,5402429
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=sPU9AAAAIBAJ&sjid=CEkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2688,5763610
The Glasgow Herald - Oct 28, 1982
Hospital Staff warned on Fagan leaks

Staff at the Park Lane Hospital in Liverpool, where Buckingham Palace intruder Michael Fagan is being held, have been warned they could face disciplinary action if they leak any further information about him or any other patient, Health Minister Mr Kenneth Clarke announced yesterday. :eek:
He said he deplored any improper divulging of information about patients by any member of staff at special hospitals. His remarks came after reports in newspapers that Fagan had assaulted a fellow patient at the hospital.
In a Commons reply to Mr Arthur Lewis, Newham North West (Lab) about reports concerning Fagan, Mr Clarke said steps had been taken to stop any recurrence of the leaks.
He added: "Patients in special hospitals are entitled to be treated with respect, and to have their cases handled in confidence, in the same way as patients in any other hospital.
"I particularly deplore any improper divulging of information about patients by any member of staff at a special hospital."
After consultation with the Prison Officers' Association a special notice had been issued to all staff at Park Lane Hospital.
Mr Clarke said: "Any members of the staff of a special hospital found to have improperly divulged information about a patient will render themselves liable to disciplinary action."
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4fE9AAAAIBAJ&sjid=6UgMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2810,3123026
The Glasgow Herald - Jan 20, 1983
Palace intruder discharged from hospital

Michael Fagan, the Buckingham Palace intruder, was last night discharged from a security hospital near Liverpool.
Mr Fagan, 32, was said by his solicitor to be "overwhelmed and overjoyed" by the decision of the Mental Health Review Tribunal which upheld his plea for release yesterday.
The tribunal emphasised Mr Fagan was suffering from mental illness and had not fully recovered, but said it was no longer necessary for him to be detained.
Mr Fagan's solicitor, Mr Peter Edwards, said after the seven-hour tribunal hearing at Park Lane Hospital, near Liverpool: "He is going off quietly to lead his own life."
Mr Fagan, of North London, caused a major security scandal when he entered Buckingham Palace last July, and talked to the Queen in her bedroom. He had been detained at Park Lane for 15 weeks.
Asked if Mr Fagan was likely to try to see the Queen again, Mr Edwards said: "I think it is extremely unlikely."
Mr Fagan was sent to Park Lane in October. He had been cleared of stealing a half bottle of wine from Buckingham Palace. However at another hearing, he was found guilty of taking and driving away a car and was ordered to be detained indefinitely in a mental hospital.
Meanwhile, two Tory MPs have tabled Commons questions to Home Secretary Mr William Whitelaw over the decision to release Mr Fagan. One, Mrs Sheila Faith, MP for Belper, described it as "incomprehensible."
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=DZhjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QVIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4852,1948649
The Bryan Times (Bryan, Ohio, USA) - Jan 20, 1983
Buckingham Palace prowler gets freedom

Michael Fagan, the Buckingham Palace prowler whose bedside chat with Queen Elizabeth sparked a major scandal, was free from a top security mental hospital today despite opposition by a doctor who treated him.
Following a seven-hour hearing Wednesday, a three-man tribunal freed Fagan, 32, from a mental hospital near Liverpool, saying he was not yet fully recovered but that detention was no longer necessary to protect the public.
The tribunal, consisting of a psychiatrist, and attorney and a lay member, interviewed Fagan and his family and studied seven psychiatric reports.
Fagan's lawyer, Peter Edwards, said his client "is overwhelmed and overjoyed, and is going off quietly to lead his own life."
Reporters at the top security Park Lane Hospital said the queen's nocturnal visitor left the mental hospital with an unidentified man through a side entrance and was whisked off in a waiting automobile.
There were reports today that Fagan was in London being interviewed by a newspaper.
"The tribunal took the view that his condition is such that it is not necessary to keep him in hospital because he does not pose a threat to the public," Edwards said.
"It was agreed by everybody that Michael is terrifically improved," he said. "The hospital agreed, but would have liked him to have stayed a little longer."
Edwards' comments was a reference to opposition by one hospital doctor who treated Fagan and argued for his continued detention. The doctor was not a member of the three-member tribunal.
A Buckingham Palace spokesman had no comment on the release.
Fagan's celebrated intrusion last July 9 triggered a furor over security at the palace, not only because he was able to get in but because of the slow police response to Queen Elizabeth's call for help.
The queen waited about 10 minutes, talking with Fagan, before officers arrived.
A shakeup of Buckingham palace security followed, including the dismissal of the queen's bodyguard, superintendent Christopher Hagan, only six months after his appointment.
Hagan had succeeded Commander Michael Trestrail, who resigned as a scandal broke over his long-standing affair with a male prostitute.
Fagan was never prosecuted for the July palace icident because prosecutors said no crime had been committed and there was no indication he intended to commit any offense when he wandered into her bedroom.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IqJlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=W4wNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1227,4148571
The Vancouver Sun - Jan 20, 1983
Fagan free from hospital

Michael Fagan, who broke into Queen Elizabeth's bedroom at Buckingham Palace, was discharged from a mental hospital near Liverpool Wednesday night.
The 30-year-old unemployed drifter said he was "overwhelmed and overjoyed" to leave Park Lane Hospital, where he was committed indefinitely 15 weeks ago on orders of London's Old Bailey Central Criminal Court.
His lawyer, Peter Edwards, told reporters Fagan was released on instructions of the Mental Health Review Tribunal after a study of psychiatric reports on his condition.
A statement from the review tribunal said Fagan is still suffering from "mental illness and was not yet fully recovered" but that it is no longer necessary for him to be detained in a secure hospital.
Edwards said Fagan is "going off quietly to lead his own life."
A Buckingham Palace spokesman refused comment.
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[Read the article to the right of this one talking of a man, who goes to Edgar Allan Poe's tomb in a Baltimore Church's catacombs every year, and leaves 3 roses and a half-full bottle of cognac on his grave!]
...

Now get ready for the Agency -written article from Australia which blows this whole fairytale wide open! This hints about Elm Guest House players!


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qDdVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lZQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2121,2209072
The Age (Melbourne, Australia) - Jul 21, 1982

Fagan, the only security expert who looks secure
From PETER SMARK

LONDON, 20 July. - It was plain today that Mr Michael Fagan, 31, does not intend to resign his position as Britain's leading security expert. Over the future of everyone else associated with security, from the Home Secretary down, there hangs a large query.

Mr Fagan it was who proved it was no crime to climb into the Queen's bedroom. He also proved it was not difficult, and yesterday headed off to his headquarters at a London prison (remanded in custody on other charges) with the aggressive self-confidence which comes from a job well done, like Ian Botham after hitting a six.

The carnage wrought by his achievement litters the landscape. The Queen's chief bodyguard, the disgraced Commander Michael Trestrail, is at a police safe house underquestioning, expected to last several days, about his homosexual private life. Two other senior police officers, a commander and an inspector, have been transferred from Palace security duties, along with a busload of more junior officers. :eek:

Pressure for the early retirement of the Metropolitan Police Commisioner, Sir David McNee, is likely to prove irresistible - the baying of the Conservative Right-wing for the head of the Home Secretary, Mr William Whitelaw, is even louder than usual. (The Right-wing doesn't like Mr Whitelaw because he refuses to insist on a mandatory death sentence for petty theft or a life sentence for illegal parking. They have strong views on such matters in the shires.)

Today, the Prime Minister, Mrs Thatcher, is to make a House of Commons statement on rumours that the major British communications interception centre at Cheltenham has been under Russian patronage for many years. Sex scandals, security snafus, establishment in trouble - it's a pretty typical British summer, in fact, but the weather is better than usual.

Mrs. Thatcher is proving herself the W. G. Grace of politics. That bewhiskered gentleman, bowled out, once replaced the balls, insisted the whole thing was a misunderstanding, announced he was continuing his innings and got away with it. The Iron Lady, for her part, seems to have managed to persuade everyone that the scene of mayhem and muddle is nothing to do with her.

She made it plain to reporters through the nods and winks of her aides that in view of his loyalty and long service, she is standing loyally behind Mr. Whitelaw - for just as long as that is politically wise. "Apparently safe for now, but if there's a reshuffle in the autumn, Willie might have to go," is the word...

The audible clanking in Westmin- is standing loyally behind Mr Whitelaw carrying the whole can.
Continued: PAGE 8
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qDdVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lZQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1397,2270177
FROM PAGE 1
Fagan is the only secure security man

...For his part, Mr Whitelaw is doing his best to ensure that there are hands under his on the handle. Not one word of support for Sir David McNee has passed the Home Secretary's normally highly mobile lips. And of course everyone has Commander Trestrail to blame, mired in wretchedness and degradation as he now is.

Whatever his shortcomings as a security man may have been (and one suspects some of the Queen's counsellors more senior than he share a large part of the blame for the present mess), Commander Trestrail has been not only a bodyguard but a friend and companion for the Queen, as well as her utterly loyal servant.

But he has no great name of exalted birth to protect him now. He belongs to the working-class and thus may be tortured at will. The sight of the British Establishment at work rending an anointed victim is not a pretty one, but perhaps riding to hounds inures one to the prospect.

Commander Trestrail had in fact offered his resignation a week ago, over the Palace break-in. The Queen intervened personally, insisting that he must not go. Now, not even she can save him.

In the view of many observers here, it was right that Trestrail (and others more senior) should have gone over the break-in itself, and the revelations about Palace walls more porous than cheesecloth. But he has gone because he is a homosexual. Well, there are other homosexuals at the Palace, who have also been given positive security vetting. Lord knows there is no shortage of them on every layer of the British Establishment.

Homosexuality

Indeed, Mrs Thatcher recently accepted the main recommendations of a security inquiry headed by Lord Diplock. These included a finding that homosexuality should no longer necessarily be a bar to positive security vetting. But the Diplock commission was talking of openly acknowledged homosexuality with limited blackmail potential. Commander Trestrail apparently cloaked his private life.

According to police sources, the commander now is being "interviewed in depth" by senior ex-colleagues, who are asking him how long he has been a homosexual, whether there were other men in his life, whether homosexuals were ever with him at the Palace (where he had a flat, as well as his own house in Teddington, Middlesex).

The hidden life of Commander Trestrail came out when his name was mentioned as one of the vulnerable men in the wake of Michael Fagan's socialising. Mr Rupert Murdoch's newspaper, the 'Sun', was approached by a man offering to sell details of his relationship with the police officer.

The 'Sun' heard some details, decided not to pay, then approached the Palace Press office. Scotland Yard was called in, Trestrail confessed all, and the Queen, it was said today, was "immensely saddened".

One of the more extraordinary aspects of these muddled events was that although all this was known on Saturday. Mr Whitelaw and the Prime Minister were not told until yesterday morning. The official explanation is that Mr Whitelaw was in Scotland (perhaps at the British Open - he is a former captain of the Royal and Ancient Club of St Andrews) and the line to him might not have been secure. "In Britain, what line is secure?" was the uncharitable observation of an American journalist when given the official line.

Revelations

Now, if there are no more sensational palace staff revelations to come for a while, and if Michael Fagan hasn't started a fad for intrusion to replace streaking and jogging, Britain might have attention to spare for the Cheltenham spy scandal.

The security establishment can be relied on to brief the Prime Minister to say "There is no second man", the way that they said there was no third man called Kim Philby. It might even be true, but how would one know?
The problem with security in Britain is that without John Cleese and the rest of the Monty Python team writing the script, the show is becoming more and more incredible year by year. Let me put that another way - if the Python team are in fact writing the script, would they please openly acknowledge the fact? That way, we'll know when to laugh and when to cry.
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THIS LAST ARTICLE IS STILL SINKING IN FOR ME!!!!

oonalu
28-06-2013, 01:06 AM
(Reuters) - British police are investigating how an intruder breached the security of the Tower of London and stole a set of keys from the tourist attraction and home of the crown jewels.




http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/11/13/uk-britain-royals-crime-idUKBRE8AC0PD20121113

oonalu
28-06-2013, 01:08 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19566617




http://udalosti.noviny.sk/pochybne-adopcie-deti.html. UK news blackout

oonalu
28-06-2013, 01:18 AM
Website from former NAYPIC workers who uncovered rings back in 1990: http://www.youthparliament.org.uk/bodydata/modellocalgroup.htm

goodness
28-06-2013, 01:22 AM
Charming little anecdote about Prince Charles' sense of humor and what one has to do to receive an award from the Queen, shared by Sharon Osbourne.

June 27, 2013 8:37AM


The topic of the UK royal family came up, causing Sharon to reminisce about a time she met the son of Queen Elizabeth II.

"I bent down to pick up my napkin and as I came up I accidentally knocked him in the crotch," she joked to Conan O'Brien.

The incident occurred at a dinner party Sharon and Charles were both attending.

The pair have met on several occasions and Sharon insists they get along famously. They do have some things in common though, with Sharon insisting they both love humour which is close to the bone.

"There was a lady and she had sores in the corner of her mouth," she said of a Christmas party at Windsor Castle she attended.

"She kept talking in his face and I'm, like, looking at him rolling my eyes... and so he looked at me and I said, ‘You know why she's got those sores on her mouth?’ and he goes, ‘No, why?’

“I said, ‘Cause she sucks too much d**k,’ – and he loved it.”

Sharon discussed titles the queen bestows on some of her subjects too, causing shock among the audience when she joked about how they are handed out.

"I want a title. They call it a dame. You just have to suck his d**k," she cackled.

"[Ozzy] can f**k Camilla while I'm with Charles."

and this...

Sharon Osbourne thinks of the Queen while having sex with Ozzy

"I lie back and think of The Queen," the 59-year-old told UK tabloid, The Sun.



http://i.usatoday.net/life/gallery/day/migrated-media/queen_l070214.jpg


http://celebrities.ninemsn.com/?blogentryid=995019&showcomments=true

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/sharon-osbourne-mistakenly-hit-prince-charles-in-the-crotch/story-e6frfmqi-1226670620726

discovery77
28-06-2013, 01:50 AM
troyhand;1061585573From Discovery's Timeline


And how interesting that all of those links have gone 404 - AGAIN!!!! Thats about 8/9 times now, on the same links. :mad::(
This area is fascinating.


dec 31st 81 Primes spying alleged to have stopped.

guest house raided June 19th
week after raid prime makes confession, june 26th.
2 weeks after that queens intruder
6 days after that Prime is charged with espionage and paedophilia.
4 days later Trestrail is discussed in commons as having resigned because hes been in relationship with male prostitute.
2 days after that Thatcher forced to give statement on security on both cases, stories mentioned in same breath in newspapers.
denials Prime was in PIE.

in midst of which another alleged spy (Prudom) is mentioned and allegedly shot by police.

Little do they realise that watching what they try scrub is as telling as what they dont!!! :D And sorry losers - Im going to keep adding them so I hope you're getting overtime!!!

Heres that Toledo Blade link again. Catch it while you can - its the one that accuses the authorities of covering up the incident!! - asks some very valid questions - or please someone get a screen grab better still, as they particularly dont like that one. It has a staggered, perplexed and provocative attitude to the break ins. Or anything to do with Charles, royals, Elm Guest House, Spinks, Richmond Council, or Keith Gregory talking about Savile and Saviles nephew at his parties. Funny eh?!!!
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=b6wxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MAMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2989,1373898&dq=willie+whitelaw+queen+cover+ups&hl=en

and bbc on this day one

1982: Queen fends off bedroom intruder
A man has broken into Buckingham Palace and spent ten minutes talking to the Queen in her bedroom.
At around 0715 BST Michael Fagan, 31, scaled the walls around the palace and shinned the drain-pipe up to the Queen's private apartments.

Barefooted and wearing a t-shirt the unemployed father of four evaded electronic alarms and palace and police guards before disturbing the Queen by opening a curtain.

Mr Fagan is already due to appear at Bow Street Magistrates' Court tomorrow to face charges of trespass and stealing half a bottle of wine from Buckingham Palace on 7 June.

Smoked out

The Queen was only able to raise the alarm when he asked for a cigarette.

She calmly called for a footman who held the intruder until police arrived.

The incident happened as the armed police officer outside the royal bedroom came off duty before his replacement - apparently out walking the dogs - arrived.

This is the sixth breach of security at the Queen's London residence this year and raises serious questions about how well protected she is.

Last month a man with a knife burst into the forecourt of Buckingham Palace and last year three German tourists camped in the grounds, believing it to be Hyde Park.

It is the first time that private royal apartments have been penetrated since Queen Victoria's reign, although the Queen Mother disturbed an army deserter in her bathroom during the Second World War.

In Context
Michael Fagan was not charged for trespassing in the Queen's bedroom since it was then a civil offence and proceedings would have compromised the Queen's position as head of state.
In September 1982 Mr Fagan was acquitted of stealing wine from Buckingham Palace in June.

He admitted another charge of stealing a car and the judge at the Old Bailey sent him to a top security mental health hospital in Liverpool, as a patient rather than a criminal. He was released three months later.

Since then Michael Fagan has committed several other petty offences.

In 1984 aggravated trespass or the act of trespass with the intent to disrupt or obstruct a lawful activity became a criminal offence.

In June 2003, a comedian managed to gatecrash Prince William's 21st birthday party at Windsor Castle leading to calls to make the offence of ordinary trespass on royal or government property a criminal offence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/9/newsid_2498000/2498731.stm

troyhand
28-06-2013, 01:53 AM
And how interesting that all of those links have gone 404 - AGAIN!!!! Thats about 8/9 times now, on the same links. :mad::(
This area is fascinating.


Links all work for me in the US. EDIT: Oh, your links you mean. LOL Yeah, we're definitely being monitored! :p

EDIT: oops I copied and pasted them wrong, i'll fix it. RE-EDIT-IT: Fixed 'em, disco. That's for the heads up!;)

discovery77
28-06-2013, 02:11 AM
Links all work for me in the US. EDIT: Oh, your links you mean. LOL Yeah, we're definitely being monitored! :p

EDIT: oops I copied and pasted them wrong, i'll fix it. RE-EDIT-IT: Fixed 'em, disco. That's for the heads up!;)

Cool, theyrealways scrubbin 'em so always best to paste in full I guess..

This from your post

"Two other senior police officers, a commander and an inspector, have been transferred from Palace security duties, along with a busload of more junior officers."
q. is is this dismissal from security failure or connected to t'other scandal?..
and..

" But he has gone because he is a homosexual. Well, there are other homosexuals at the Palace, who have also been given positive security vetting. Lord knows there is no shortage of them on every layer of the British Establishment."

..Which is very explicitly hinting at the fact that this was not enough a reason - even then and for security - for him to go....there were much bigger reasons...shrouded in secrecy....in a guesthouse somewhere...

troyhand
28-06-2013, 02:14 AM
cool, theyrealways scrubbin 'em so always best to paste in full i guess..

This from your post

"two other senior police officers, a commander and an inspector, have been transferred from palace security duties, along with a busload of more junior officers."
q. Is is this dismissal from security failure or connected to t'other scandal?..
And..

" but he has gone because he is a homosexual. Well, there are other homosexuals at the palace, who have also been given positive security vetting. Lord knows there is no shortage of them on every layer of the british establishment."

..which is very explicitly hinting at the fact that this was not enough a reason - even then and for security - for him to go....there were much bigger reasons...shrouded in secrecy....in a guesthouse somewhere...



YUP!!!! I bet they're on the Moss list!!! :D

craftyhen
28-06-2013, 02:20 AM
Trestrail, Michael used name R Phillips, Royal Equerry

Langley, R employee at Buckingham Palace


http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/richmond/a-z-of-names-mentioned-in-the-mary-moss-documents/

discovery77
28-06-2013, 02:34 AM
Trestrail, Michael used name R Phillips, Royal Equerry

Langley, R employee at Buckingham Palace

Langley is possibly a false name, he hasn't been identified

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/richmond/a-z-of-names-mentioned-in-the-mary-moss-documents/

Ooh. La la la la Langley? Who for art thou?

troyhand
28-06-2013, 02:36 AM
Ooh. La la la la Langley? Who for art thou?

LMFAO!! :D "CIA. Langley. Who's calling, please?"


From Discovery's Timeline


Pressure for the early retirement of the Metropolitan Police Commisioner, Sir David McNee, is likely to prove irresistible - the baying of the Conservative Right-wing for the head of the Home Secretary, Mr William Whitelaw, is even louder than usual. (The Right-wing doesn't like Mr Whitelaw because he refuses to insist on a mandatory death sentence for petty theft or a life sentence for illegal parking. They have strong views on such matters in the shires.)
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...For his part, Mr Whitelaw is doing his best to ensure that there are hands under his on the handle.:eek: Not one word of support for Sir David McNee has passed the Home Secretary's normally highly mobile lips. And of course everyone has Commander Trestrail to blame, mired in wretchedness and degradation as he now is.
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One of the more extraordinary aspects of these muddled events was that although all this was known on Saturday. Mr Whitelaw and the Prime Minister were not told until yesterday morning. The official explanation is that Mr Whitelaw was in Scotland (perhaps at the British Open - he is a former captain of the Royal and Ancient Club of St Andrews) and the line to him might not have been secure. "In Britain, what line is secure?" was the uncharitable observation of an American journalist when given the official line.
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The problem with security in Britain is that without John Cleese and the rest of the Monty Python team writing the script, the show is becoming more and more incredible year by year. Let me put that another way - if the Python team are in fact writing the script, would they please openly acknowledge the fact? That way, we'll know when to laugh and when to cry.
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Whitelaw's Willie went wandering....;)

http://www.locarnoboy.co.uk/04/2013/how-graham-peel-waited-and-waited-and-waited-for-margaret-thatcher-at-the-blackpool-locarno/



Specialist police officers had been brought over from Northern Ireland to assist with the security for the event, a number of which were on duty in and around the Locarno as result of activities by the IRA in other parts of the country.

However this caused something of a difficulty for the then Home Secretary William Whitelaw.

Whilst attending to the needs of nature he was spooked by a number of dinner suited Irish speaking males, which made him somehow lose concentration.

All of which resulted in his exit from the Stag Room with somewhat damp shoes.:eek:[/B]

[TRANSLATION: He got strongarmed at the urinal and pissed on himself!!]
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craftyhen
28-06-2013, 02:40 AM
This document says 'own' next to Langley, so that's his REAL name.
He's referred to as Roger or Richard Langley elswhere.


Proctor – Jenson/”Nutter”

Brittan – sauna only ‘Roger’

Tress – R R Philips

Blunt – Anthony Goldstein

C Smith – “Tubby”

R Brown(e) – own (Hack MP)

N Fairburn – own

C Jordan – Mr Nasty

R Langley – own (Acc at Buck House)

Peter Brooke – Mr Fullcard

http://postimg.org/image/qsg78lqg3/

discovery77
28-06-2013, 02:54 AM
This document says 'own' next to Langley, so that's his REAL name.
He's referred to as Roger or Richard Langley elswhere.


Proctor – Jenson/”Nutter”

Brittan – sauna only ‘Roger’

Tress – R R Philips

Blunt – Anthony Goldstein

C Smith – “Tubby”

R Brown(e) – own (Hack MP)

N Fairburn – own

C Jordan – Mr Nasty

R Langley – own (Acc at Buck House)

Peter Brooke – Mr Fullcard

http://postimg.org/image/qsg78lqg3/

An interesting group placed together on that doc, wonder if signif?

troyhand
28-06-2013, 03:18 AM
The carnage wrought by his achievement litters the landscape. The Queen's chief bodyguard, the disgraced Commander Michael Trestrail, is at a police safe house underquestioning, expected to last several days, about his homosexual private life. Two other senior police officers, a commander and an inspector, have been transferred from Palace security duties, along with a busload of more junior officers.

Today, the Prime Minister, Mrs Thatcher, is to make a House of Commons statement on rumours that the major British communications interception centre at Cheltenham has been under Russian patronage for many years. Sex scandals, security snafus, establishment in trouble - it's a pretty typical British summer, in fact, but the weather is better than usual.
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Whatever his shortcomings as a security man may have been (and one suspects some of the Queen's counsellors more senior than he share a large part of the blame for the present mess), Commander Trestrail has been not only a bodyguard but a friend and companion for the Queen, as well as her utterly loyal servant.

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In the view of many observers here, it was right that Trestrail (and others more senior) should have gone over the break-in itself, and the revelations about Palace walls more porous than cheesecloth. But he has gone because he is a homosexual. Well, there are other homosexuals at the Palace, who have also been given positive security vetting. Lord [who?] ;) knows there is no shortage of them on every layer of the British Establishment. :mad:

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According to police sources, the commander now is being "interviewed in depth" by senior ex-colleagues, who are asking him how long he has been a homosexual, whether there were other men in his life, whether homosexuals were ever with him at the Palace (where he had a flat, as well as his own house in Teddington, Middlesex).

The hidden life of Commander Trestrail came out when his name was mentioned as one of the vulnerable men in the wake of Michael Fagan's socialising. :rolleyes: Mr Rupert Murdoch's newspaper, the 'Sun', was approached by a man offering to sell details of his relationship with the police officer.

The 'Sun' heard some details, decided not to pay, then approached the Palace Press office. Scotland Yard was called in, Trestrail confessed all, and the Queen, it was said today, was "immensely saddened".



the Queen, was "immensely saddened"
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XTmA0EC2CqU/UHlVFoT8HXI/AAAAAAAAARM/6qeWPM2aB14/s1600/Gif-Queen-Elizabeth-II-Giving-Finger.gif

troyhand
28-06-2013, 04:06 AM
LINK TO PRESS ON MICHAEL FAGAN'S BREAK-IN TO QUEEN'S BEDROOM AND DEBUNKING ARTICLE


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cqwxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MAMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6005,2119817
Toledo Blade (Toledo, Ohio, USA) - Jul 16, 1982
But What Did The Queen Say To Michael?

You must admit that there was something altogether British about the royal intrusion.
Her Majesty's forces had just finished lobbing computerized missiles at the enemy in the Falklands. But in London a single commoner with the Dickensian name of Fagan scaled the walls of Buckingham Palace, clambered up the drainpipe, through the window, and into Her Majesty's bedroom.
Talk about your "Masterpiece Theatre."
* * *
The Queen, playing her part, was nothing if not regal. She woke up to see a barefoot, T-shirted, and blue-jeaned visitor holding a broken ashtray and dripping blood on her bedsheets. Dripping blood is not generally done in Buckingham Palace. The queen's sheets are not, one may presume, wash and wear.
The queen, according to British reports, calmly offered 31-year-old Michael Fagan a glass of whisky, chatted with him for 10 minutes or so, and then rang for help on the pretense of procuring him a cigarette. She remained, of course, "unruffled by her ordeal."
The intruder also had a bit of Britain in his role. He didn't want to harm his queen. According to various and sometimes conflicting newspaper reports, he'd broken into the palace at least once before. In England, it seems, the crazy people want to talk to their leaders while in America they want to shoot them.
To top the whole thing off there was the home secretary, William Whitelaw, who gave new meaning to the expression "British understatement." He described the palace security as "seriously flawed."
The only one who blew her British cool was the housekeeper who, typecast, blurted out, "Bloody hell, ma'am, what's he doing here?" ["Now then?! Now then?!]
Frankly, I learned a lot from the royal-intrusion caper. I learned, for example, that Elizabeth, unlikely Nancy, does not have a teeny-weeny gun. I learned that Elizabeth and Philip have separate bedrooms. I learned that the queen keeps whisky in her cabinet.

* * *
But what I want to know, since they all are safe and sound, is what on earth the queen and her subject - Elizabeth and Michael - talked about for 10 minutes.
I suppose the queen did all right. British royalty is nothing if not polished in the art of small talk with strangers. It is, after all, the only language they are allowed to speak in public.
In England politics, foreign affairs, and personal chitchat are all forbidden tongues. The queen, who inherits her job, is never expected to explain to a Barbara Walters how long she and Phil have been sleeping apart.
The royal family is, instead, educated in advanced chitchat for ribbon cuttings, Ascot outings, and hospital tours. The queen speaks the way she dresses, with hats over her own ideas.
While there is no protocol for what to say to a subject you find sitting on your bed with a broken ashtray and a bloody hand at 3 in the morning. I suspect she could have improvised.
One report says she chatted about her family, but surely she could have discussed horses with him, too.
But what about Michael Fagan, the same Michael who told his wife that he was going off to visit his girl friend, a married woman with four children named Elizabeth Regina?
It's my impression that people who are that desperate to meet Someone are the ones most likely to turn dumb at the meeting. The groupie spends weeks hatching a plot to meet Mick Jagger, finally springs out of the hotel closet, and gasps, "Oh my gawd, you're Mick Jagger!" The citizen fantasizes about how he'd like to tell the president a thing or two, meets the man, and stumbles, "Oh, yes, everything's fine, thank you, sir."

* * *
I can imagine Michael. He's evaded 43 soldiers, 24 police, 350 palace staff, dog patrols, surveillance cameras, and electronic listening devices. He's now at the edge of the queen's bed - the queen's bed! - and unable to think of anything to say except that he wanted a whisky and a cigarette.
Fagan's father, the one who said Michael "would not hurt a fly," is willing to sell the story of Michael's life. They'll probably make a series out of it. But all I want is 10 minutes or so of dialogue. What did he and the queen actually talk about?
And one more thing: Is it true that the queen sleeps with a pocketbook over her arm and a cute little hat on her head?

troyhand
28-06-2013, 04:15 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TgEzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WBMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2092,4863309
Star-News - Jul 22, 1982
Fagan ponders suicide

LONDON - Buckingham Palace intruder Michael Fagan, who spent 10 minutes sitting on the bed of Queen Elizabeth II, planned to slash his wrists with a broken ashtray while she watched, a police inquiry disclosed Wednesday.
It said she and a maid maneuvered Fagan into an adjoining room on the pretext of getting him a cigarette, and that they were helped in keeping him there until police arrived by a footman who returned with the palace dogs.
In Parliament, Home Secretary William Whitelaw announced a shakeup in palace security and said there was now a 24-hour police guard outside the queen's apartment.
The published police report on the July 9 break-in said of Fagan's plan to cut his wrists: "He claimed that he had not entered the palace with this intention, but that it formed in his mind for the first time when he saw the ashtray." Fagan did cut his thumb and dripped blood on the queen's bed.
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LOL. THAT'S A CORKER! Worst Bullshit Story Ever!

troyhand
28-06-2013, 04:22 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nRI-AAAAIBAJ&sjid=DkoMAAAAIBAJ&pg=5372,2607834
Evening Times - Jul 19, 1982
Wife sees Fagan in court

Strict security was in force at London's Bow Street Court today as Michael Fagan arrived to face a charge of stealing wine from Buckingham Palace.
Fagan (30), unemployed, of no fixed address, arrived in a black prison van an hour before the courts opened.
He is charged with entering the Palace and stealing a half bottle of wine worth £3, the property of the Department of the Environment, on June 7.
Fagan's wife, Christine, dressed in jeans and a tweed jacket, was in court for the hearing.
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troyhand
28-06-2013, 04:48 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=k_8sAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Xs0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1164,2611897
The Palm Beach Post - Jul 15, 1982
British Official Says Palace Police Erred

LONDON (AP) - Britons received official confirmation yesterday that police blunders enabled a palace prowler to break in on Queen Elizabeth II while she slept, despite sophisticated security systems and armed guards.
The British press, hot on the trail of one of its biggest stories in years, carried more reports of the intruder's actions and his reasons. The tabloid Sun quoted Michael Fagan's wife as he was "deeply in love" with the queen and tried to make Mrs. Fagan jealous with visits to a girlfriend he called "Elizabeth Regina (Elizabeth, the queen)."
While the prowler's motive remained clouded, there was official confirmation that a series of police failures enabled him to shin up a drainpipe early Friday morning, climb through a palace window, wander along corridors and finally enter the monarch's second-floor bedroom undetected.
Home Secretary William Whitelaw briefed the Home Affairs Committee of the House of Commons Tuesday night about the break-in, and people who attended said he disclosed serious police bungling.
Conservative lawmaker John Wheeler quoted Whitelaw as saying police ignored an alarm that went off in the room housing the royal stamp collection and were very slow to respond to a telephone call from the queen asking for an officer to go to her apartment.
Independent Television News said yesterday the intruder was spotted scaling the palace wall by a passing off-duty policeman who immediately telephoned the palace police but was given a "brusque response."
ITN also claimed a palace cleaner [SAVILE?!:eek:] spotted the man walking barefoot down the corridor but did not challenge him. The queen's bedroom was unguarded because the page on duty was out walking the monarch's corgi dogs, it reported.
Christine Fagan, whose husband, Michael, was arrested at the palace after the break-in, was quoted by the Sun as saying "I think he was trying to get me jealous. He tried everything to get me back and in the end presented the queen to me as the other woman."
Mrs. Fagan said she left her husband for a time recently when they had marital difficulties.
The conservative Daily Express, which broke the story, reported yesterday the queen was angry about the lapse in security.
The break-in has sparked a race for catch-up headlines and praise for reporters' roles in averting a possible government cover-up.
Over the last three days the stories have provoked a storm of protest in Parliament, demands for "heads to roll" in high places and a race for fresh details of the queen's confrontation with the intruder.
The Daily Express followed Monday's scoop with the banner headlines Tuesday saying the intruder was clutching a broken ashtray and blood from his gashed hand dripped on the queen's bedding while they talked.
The Sun claimed Tuesday the prowler had broken into Buckingham Palace 12 times. The suspect's lawyer has denied this.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=JBBGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DtAMAAAAIBAJ&pg=5427,1058298
Daily Times - Jul 14, 1982
British Police Under Fire
by Michael West

LONDON (AP) - British newspapers accused Buckingham Palace police today of ignoring noisy alarm calls by Queen Elizabeth II when a grubby intruder crept into her bedroom, and said a chamber maid helped her get rid of him.
The respected Daily Telegraph said the 56-year-old queen was furious over the security breach last Friday when the man shinned up a drainpipe, climbed through a window, wandered and sneaked into her second-floor room.
Reports said the monarch awoke to find a man sitting on her bed brandishing a broken ashtray and dripping blood from a gashed hand onto the royal bedcovers.
Michael Fagan, 31-year-old vagabond, was arrested after the incident. Fagan's lawyer Maurice Nadeem told reporters Tuesday after visiting him in London's Brixton jail that his client spent "just over 10 minutes" talking with the queen about the royal family.
Nadeem said Fagan had been to the palace "twice - no more," despite reports in the Daily Express and Sun tabloids that he broke into the royal residence as many as 12 times.
The Daily Telegraph quoted unidentified Parliament members as saying that Fagan set off an alarm in the palace but that police there ignored it, thinking it was a faulty mechanism.
"It was also disclosed that they did not understand when the Queen telephoned to tell them the intruder was in her bedroom, the paper quoted the Parliament members as saying.
"The Queen chose her words carefully, trying to warn the officers without alarming the man," the account said. "But they failed to grasp the situation. Ten minutes later a chambermaid arrived and called a footman. It was not until he led the man away that the police arrived from the palace police office."
Scotland Yard said a police sergeant at the palace had been transferred. But the Yard and Buckingham Palace refused all comment on the break-in or security arrangements at the palace.
The Daily Mail said Home secretary William Whitelaw told Conservative Parliament members privately Tuesday night that when the intruder penetrated the palace grounds, "alarm bells were ringing all over the place."
The Sun quoted the intruder's wife Christine as saying Fagan "claimed to have whispered sweet nothings in the Queen's ear."
Mrs. Fagan said her husband told her when she visited him in jail that he was "deeply in love" with the monarch and said he had visited her bedroom several times prior to last Friday.
"He used to return home from visits to a girlfriend he called 'Elizabeth Regina' and say: 'She's lovely and I have been talking to her again', the Sun quoted Mrs. Fagan as saying.
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REUTERS ON POLICE SCREWUPS
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8DIwAAAAIBAJ&sjid=AKUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1161,869537&
The Montreal Gazette - Jul 14, 1982
"Police took twenty minutes to answer Queen's call for help"
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=j_8sAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Xs0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=5400,2036115
The Palm Beach Post - Jul 14, 1982
Royal Intrusion Creates Furor

troyhand
28-06-2013, 06:11 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=795eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=glMNAAAAIBAJ&pg=4342,5941376
St. Joseph News-Press - Apr 28, 1983
Palace prowler booed in stage debut
...He was booed off the stage for a rendition of "God Save the Queen" with lyrics by the SexPistols.
One man with pink and blue hair at the "The Son of Batcave" club spat on the jobless laborer, but Fagan was undaunted...
Fagan has cut a record and is being promoted by musician Jock McDonald, who once promoted Pistols singer Johnny Rotten.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=veQbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=a2gEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5832,7133261
Sarasota Herald-Tribune - Apr 29, 1983
Prowler Fagan Booed Off Stage



http://www.postwave.gr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=883&Itemid=10&limit=1&limitstart=1
An exclusive interview with Jon Klein of SPECIMEN
24 April 2008
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Celebrating the 25th Anniversary of The Batcave with a live appearance of Specimen with Sex Gang Children and a tour with Alien Sex Fiend, how did it all come about?

Jon Klein: I got approached to play the Deathrock magazine tour ....they wanted to make it a Batcave anniversary tour, by this time I concluded I wouldn't do it without Olli..... we then got really lucky and found that Slut the other guys from the 1st USA tour were about this summer. Not long after we started getting approached by London club promoters, and thought we'd do it before someone else does!! We found a great team that do Club Antichrist, who are very switched on, creative as well as being good people. The Fiends weren't able to do the London show, and Andi was the only other person we could think of with 'Sex' in the title!

The Batcave has become a legend. It is a reference for the deathrock / gothic genre. Share with us some of your memories from within the club. Was it the hot spot to be at that time in London?

Jon Klein: The Batcave was the only exciting place to go in the early 80s London. Punk had finished, as had the New Romantic clubs like the Blitz..... people went to gigs more than clubs. The Batcave ran at various locations that kept getting closed down for legal reasons. To get into the first venue, you had to que for a lift that would only hold 4 people, and proceed through a large coffin to enter. It was a big melting pot of very different people! There was the Banshees, Nick Cave, Marc Almond and Neubauten, but then Vince Clark, Jimmy Pursey (sham 69) ...even Gary Glitter, Girlschool and Sigue Sigue Sputnik -a real diverse mix! People liked it as they didn't get hassled. One night we put on a guy called Micheal Fagin who had broken into the queens bedroom, another we'd do mud wrestling in blancmange and custard, we had a gladiator that would put skewers through himself and generally all sorts of bizzare cabaret, super 8 films and compilation tapes playing in the toilets. After Alien Sex Fiends 1st show Jimmy Pursey offered them 20 pounds to go back onstage and smash up the TV they had ....they did! One night Marc Almond was singing and his drunk manager got on the mixing desk ...Marc ended up screaming at him with the audiences full support (great pantomime!)
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http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.estereofonica.com%2Fla-ciudad-gotica%2F&tl=en
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Gothic in the dictionary refers to the Goths, a barbarous people who invaded the Romans and eventually destroy them, it is an art developed in Europe from the twelfth century until the Renaissance. More than 20 years has gothic music playing. Since its inception in the 80s, as now, these atmospheric sounds and changes take many styles becoming new ways of looking at life and music, without forgetting its past grim and grave. Ashley Nico recorded the first real gothic album, either "The Marble Index" or "The End". Then came the Banshees, and after that Peter Murphy, appeared with his band Bauhaus , with the work " Bela Lugosi 's Dead ".
This started as a joke but then created a genre, an art school dragging their own strings, then it all degenerated into a 12-inch single became a Bauhaus album. And no matter what they did then, anyway would not like Bela.
Murphy by the mid-90s he moved to Turkey, but the band he led for five scandalous years in the late '80s could never forget. Even people always asked about Bela.
He is credited with the emergence of rock Gothic three bands namely: Bauhaus, Theatre of Hate and Killing Joke. After this came the real fun of bands rose shadows and Christian Death Sex Friend, all under the protective wing of Britain's moral decay. These new bands were irresistibly unknown sound unlike anything that had sounded so far.
And perhaps that's what made it truly special, being a musical form and a specific sound work with a specific image and fashion too. They had a lot of diversity in themselves and that is why the Gothic still vibrating and enjoying today.
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Futurama? Gothic?
At first the movement that began this cluster of archetypes was no name.
According to Peter Murphy took a year and a half to the mass media to understand the subject. And one year bands to realize they were drawing the outlines of a large audience of post "punks they called the wild beasts. On occasion held a festival called Futuraza, the yet unnamed gothic bands came out a little timid thinking it was a more. Suddenly there was a distant sound of a stampede of people who came to them and at that time asked. What have we done?
Gothic label was the result of a joke. One of the groups that appeared at the same time with the band Southern Death Cult was Sex Gang Children, they are dressed like Banshees fans, so Andy (their leader) called him Gothic Goblin (gothic troll) because he was a little guy who liked to listen Edith Piaf and all that macabre music, and lived in Brixton in a place called Visigoth Towers. For all this was the Gothic Gobling and his followers were called Goths. From here is where the name Goth (gothic).
Murphy said the situation was paradoxical because on one hand the audience had been created by and under the influence of their own offers, and on the other hand were a little disturbed, curious and eager to know because your audience looked like this.
One afternoon before a show, Murphy was walking through Camden Town, with a partner of his group. They were watching people flit through the concert venue. He turned around and said Dios mine, if people saw strange in these times, Murphy's companion smiled and said Querrás say that other people are also strange.
For people who first saw Bauhaus in the late 70s when teloneaban Gloria Mundi (a punk that appeared in direct line to highly elevated psychosis), they wore jeans and shirts. Over the years dressed completely in black and were igualitos Gloria Mundi. This is when the movement really began as such, because they were the most perfect Gothic image ever seen.
Musically the Banshees were the archetype, followed by The Cramps with representative images and clothes, and Bauhaus took excessive makeup that gives a touch of the Gothic vampire.

After overnight
Bela Lugosi's Dead was made in the second half of 1979. It was like nothing I had heard before or something like what was done before. It was a very ironic. Sound was extremely serious, weighty and very dark.
The mistake they made was they did things with a naive seriousness, that pushed the public to see them as something more serious. Or as someone out there: The intense performance intent within eclipses the mood and not let him see.
But taking that first step, no turning back, so the gothic label was always there and eventually found themselves playing for their own reputation.
That's why Bauhaus had a relative longevity, came stomping and energetic, but when it came time to think about what they were doing, they realized that they were pandering to the audience, specifically as they thought that hearing wanted.
When opened Barcave Specimen (The Batcave), in the spring of 1982, everyone was dressed in black processions along the famous Dean Street in the City of London and gloomy, this was the most that their dark and twisted minds had unable to conceive, and go far. Specimen's first album appeared two years later having musical contributions Killing Joke, Test Department and awaited Alien Sex Fiend.
Nick and Mrs. Fiend Alien Sex Fiend formed in the second half of 1982, debuting on December Barcave. She told Nick himself. The Batcave was a good alternative to all that was going on at that time, an independent alternative. It was the perfect outlet to do something that made no sense.
I always liked Alice Cooper, worse Salvador Dalí also fascinates me, so for me it was an opportunity to do something that was visually exciting, audience equally exciting.
Possibly the Gothic had two good years, the second half of 1982 when the media began to take account of emerging bands, and when the band Southern Death Cult announced his second coming.
For half of 1984 came the decline of the UK and Bauhaus group ended up dismembered, former Southern Dreamtime were ready to finish, and even Sex Gang Andi had crumbled while he was preparing to record what would be called Arco Valley. Again in the market Andi's solo debut was something interesting, and produced by Mick Ronson. But the second wave of artists also hit the beach.
Nick tells Fiend: The Batcave was wonderful, I would not change anything in the world for a day there. It was this crazy idea of ​​huge amounts of people, photographers, fashion designers, artists, people from different walks of life, all in all helping each other.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batcave_(club)
The Batcave was a nightclub in London, at Meard Street, Soho. It is considered to be the birthplace of the English goth subculture. As one of the most famous meeting points for early goths, it lent its name to the term Batcaver, used to describe fans of the original gothic rock music, who would adorn themselves in Batwing Coffin necklaces to distinguish themselves from other less prolific Goth nightclubs. The term Batcave is also still used by Europeans to refer to Gothic music with a prominent Post-Punk sound and spooky atmospheres.

The club opened in July 1982. Originally specialising in New Wave and Glam rock, it later focused on Gothic rock. Ollie Wisdom, the lead singer in the house band, Specimen, ran the club with Specimen's Jon Klein as Art Director, and initially with the assistance of production manager Hugh Jones. Famous regulars at the Batcave included musicians such as Bauhaus, Robert Smith, Siouxsie Sioux, Steve Severin, Foetus, Marc Almond and Nick Cave.[1]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Gang_Children

Following McLeay's departure in 1984, the band was renamed Andi Sex Gang & the Quick Gas Gang ...
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Name
Sex Gang Children were originally called Panic Button. The name "Sex Gang Children" was taken by Malcolm McLaren from a William Burroughs novel as a possible name for the band that became Bow Wow Wow and was one of the names that Boy George went through before choosing "Culture Club". SGC vocalist Andi Sex Gang tried to persuade George to use the name, but when Culture Club drummer Jon Moss passed on the idea, Andi decided that the name should not go to waste.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_McLaren

Malcolm Robert Andrew McLaren (22 January 1946 – 8 April 2010) was an English impresario, visual artist, performer, clothes designer and boutique owner, notable for combining these activities in a creative way.
Born into a dysfunctional family, he attended a number of British art colleges and adopted the stance of the social rebel in the style of French revolutionaries, the Situationists.
With a keen eye for trends, McLaren realized in the 1970s that a new youth style was needed, and largely initiated the punk movement, to which he supplied fashions from the Chelsea boutique 'SEX' (operated with his girlfriend Vivienne Westwood). After a spell advising the New York Dolls in the US, McLaren managed the Sex Pistols, to whom he recruited the nihilistic frontman Johnny Rotten. The issue of a controversial record, "God Save the Queen", satirising the Queen's Jubilee was typical of McLaren's shock-tactics, and he gained publicity by being arrested after a promotional boat trip outside the Houses of Parliament.
McLaren also performed as a solo artist, initially popularizing hip hop and world music and later diversifying into funk/disco, the dance fashion for "vogueing" and merging opera with contemporary electronic musical forms.
In his later years, he lived in Paris and New York, and died of peritoneal mesothelioma in a Swiss hospital. When accused of turning popular culture into a cheap marketing gimmick, he joked that he hoped it was true.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307183/Margaret-Thatcher-dead-Sex-Pistol-Johnny-Rotten-says-hate-mobs-loathsome--calls-respect.html
Daily Mail - 11 April 2013
Sex Pistol Johnny Rotten attacks hate mobs celebrating Baroness Thatcher's death as 'loathsome' and calls for respect

dopey
28-06-2013, 09:18 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/michael-fagan-her-nightie-was-one-of-those-liberty-prints-down-to-her-knees-7179547.html

19 February 2012

Michael Fagan: 'Her nightie was one of those Liberty prints, down to her knees'
The man who, 30 years ago, climbed a drainpipe and broke into Buckingham Palace, not once but twice, recalls the moment he came face to face with the Queen in her bedroom.


Michael Fagan makes an unlikely criminal mastermind. The architect of the biggest royal security breach of the 20th century – sitting in a Wetherspoon's pub, sporting socks, sandals, an oversized parka and a winter hat with ear flaps – is more of a contender for the title of Britain's Most Embarrassing Grandpa. Nevertheless, in 1982 a 32-year-old Fagan scaled the barbed-wire-topped, 14ft wall of Buckingham Palace and shinned up a drainpipe before wandering into the Queen's bedroom and a place in history.

As the Queen celebrates her Diamond Jubilee, it is unlikely she'll want to dwell on the memory of the security debacle that allowed the unkempt, bare-footed and slightly tipsy Fagan to pull back the curtains of her four-poster. It has been decades since he gave an interview, but he agreed to meet The Independent on Sunday last week at his local pub in north London's Holloway Road.

He says he doesn't like giving interviews, but warms to telling his tale pretty quickly. "I was scareder than I'd ever been in my life," he says, widening his eyes theatrically as he recalls the moment he pulled back the curtains to see the Queen staring up at him. "Then she speaks and it's like the finest glass you can imagine breaking: 'Wawrt are you doing here?!'"

He insists he has "great respect" for the Queen. Not apparently as great as the pleasure he takes in sharing the details of his moment in the royal chamber: "It was a double bed but a single room, definitely – she was sleeping in there on her own," he giggles. "Her nightie was one of those Liberty prints and it was down to her knees."

Reports at the time suggested the Queen had a long conversation with Fagan to stall him while security was summoned. Fagan tells it differently: "Nah! She went past me and ran out of the room; her little bare feet running across the floor."

Why he also had bare feet has long been a mystery. He clears this up: "I got my sandals returned to me two years later by the security guard. 'These are Michael's sandals, we found them on the roof,' they said."

Before pitching up rudely at the Queen's bedside, Fagan wandered around the palace, via King George V's multimillion-pound stamp collection, triggering the alarm twice. Police turned it off – assuming the warnings were errors. The resulting scandal prompted the then Home Secretary, Willie Whitelaw, to offer his resignation to the Queen.

When, finally, the Queen managed to summon help, it was an unarmed footman who stood watch until the police came. Fagan recalls, with increasing licence: "The footman came and said, 'Cor, fucking hell mate, you look like you need a drink'. His name was [Paul] Whybrew, which is a funny name for someone offering you a drink, innit? He took me to the Queen's pantry, across the landing, where I presume she cooks her baked beans and toast and whatever – and takes a bottle of Famous Grouse from the shelf and pours me a glass of whisky."

He says the night of his arrest was not the first time he had sneaked into the palace: a month earlier he broke in and managed to spend most of the night inside before leaving again undetected. His wife, Christine, had just left him. He climbed in through the window of a shocked maid's bedroom; she ran straight to security. But when they found nobody in her room they thought she'd imagined it, leaving Fagan free to explore undisturbed.

He didn't make it as far as the Queen's chamber on that occasion: "I found rooms saying 'Diana's room', 'Charles's room'; they all had names on them. But I couldn't find a door which said 'WC'. All I found were some bins with 'corgi food' written on them. I was breaking my neck to go to the toilet. What do I do? Pee on the carpet? So I had to pee on the corgi food. I got into Charles's room and took the wine off the shelf and drunk it. It was cheap Californian.

"I was loving it... It was like Goldilocks and the Three Bears; I tried one throne and was like 'this one's too soft'. I was having a laugh to myself because there was one right next to it, so I tried another. He demonstrates how he reclined on a chair to view the Queen's art, putting his feet up on the pub table: "I was sitting like this – see. I liked the picture and thought I'd look at it till someone comes, but nobody came.

"It was harder to get out than get in. I eventually found a door and walked out into the back gardens, climbed over the wall and walked down the Mall, looking back and thinking 'ooh'. I hadn't thought about going in there until that last second when it came into my head to do it, so I was shocked."

Days after the first break-in he was arrested for stealing a car in London, driving it to Stonehenge in search of his wife. He was sent to Brixton prison and after three weeks was released on bail. The next day he went to the palace for the second time. He has no regrets. "It's brought me adversity, but I can laugh about it and that's the main thing. I wouldn't do it again. I think security is tightened up now."

Even all these years later, he cannot explain his motivation. "I don't know why I did it, something just got into my head," he says, breaking into a Pink Floyd song: "There's someone in my head and it's not me..." Describing his second visit, he adds: "I went back because I thought 'that's naughty, that's naughty that I can walk round there'." He suggests the whole incident stemmed from putting too many magic mushrooms in his soup five months earlier. "I forgot you're only supposed to take a little handful. Two years later I was still coming down. I was high on mushrooms for a long, long time."

Drugs have played a big part in his life, one way or another. The oldest of three children, he was brought up in north-east London by his mum, Ivy, and dad, Michael, who was a steel erector and a "champion safe-breaker".

He left home at 16 and started working as a painter and decorator, but never really developed an accommodation with the world of work. Before the palace break-in, life revolved around petty crime, drugs and getting up to mischief. When the brief flare of fame in the Eighties after the break-in – he released a version of "God Save the Queen" with the Bollock Brothers – sputtered, he went back to what he knew.

In the past three decades he has been charged with – among other things – assaulting a police officer, dealing heroin and indecent exposure. The last was a "misunderstanding" while smoking dope and fishing with friends. Diving into the water to retrieve a net, he took his trousers off because they were wet and was seen by a woman from a distance. He is indignant: "It was said in court 'he had a huge erection', but this woman can't have been from this planet! Her husband must be like that," he says, measuring a tiny distance with his thumb and forefinger.

In truth he is more prankster than gangster. He blames his heroin-dealing conviction – his most serious – on getting back together with his ex-wife, Christine, "When she came back I got into it. I had to try it and it did cause me a bit of grief. I got four years for dealing. The people I was serving, one was a company director, the son of a lord. They were all business people and they liked coming to me."

Though he talks about drug dealing in the past tense he seems high during our interview: his pupils like pinpricks as he leaps constantly up and down on his seat. I ask if he still does drugs? He sniffs and allows his mouth to stretch into a knowing grin.

He describes himself as "retired" now, though he's never been much of a nine-to-five man.

As we take our leave, I ask if he has a message for Her Majesty in her Diamond Jubilee year. "Yeah, 60 years – that's fucking great! I hope she beats Victoria. I hope she lives to be a hundred. If she does, I'll send her a hundredth-birthday telegram."

Curriculum vitae

1950 Born in Clerkenwell, London, to Michael and Ivy Fagan; two younger sisters, Margaret and Elizabeth.

1955 Attends Compton Street School, London.

1966 Leaves home at 16 to escape his father, who, Fagan says, was violent. Works as a painter and decorator.

1972 Marries Christine, with whom he has four children.

1982 Breaks into Buckingham Palace twice in a month; the second time he makes it into the Queen's bedroom and speaks to her. Home Secretary Willie Whitelaw offers his resignation over the security breach; the Queen refuses. Fagan is sent to Brixton Prison and Park Lane secure mental institution on unrelated offences of taking a car and assault.

1983 Releases a version of "God Save the Queen" with the Bollock Brothers.

1984 Attacks a policeman in a café in Fishguard, Wales, and is given a three-month suspended jail sentence.

1987 Found guilty of indecent exposure after a woman motorist saw him running around with no trousers on at a waste ground in Chingford, Essex.

1997 Fagan, his wife and their son Arran, 20, are charged with conspiring to supply heroin. Fagan goes to prison for four years.

2002 Witnesses Uri Geller and Michael Jackson board a train at Paddington Station.

unseen_influencer
28-06-2013, 09:19 AM
@WW

Steve Bennett lives in Templar Close! There is also this:

"Dr Kamal has taken on additional work within the directorate and is still always available for patients and staff.

It is not only Vikki that has recognised Dr Kamal’s commitment and dedication, the nomination was also supported by thirteen of his colleagues who each made a statement.

Here are examples of a few:

“In my view he possesses the professional qualities as a consultant, but more importantly, the 'personal' qualities which encourage staff and patients to grow in a positive way"

Steve Bennett, security liaison nurse"

http://wlmht.nhs.uk/careers/employee_month/2008/january.html


Steve Bennett
360 Jet Cleaning
18, Templar Close
Sandhurst
Berkshire
GU47 8JP
Tel. (01252)878169

E-mail | Website

troyhand
28-06-2013, 09:30 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/michael-fagan-her-nightie-was-one-of-those-liberty-prints-down-to-her-knees-7179547.html

2002 Witnesses Uri Geller and Michael Jackson board a train at Paddington Station.

:eek: Was Jimmy waving "Goodbye" to them?!!! :eek:

dopey
28-06-2013, 09:36 AM
:eek: Was Jimmy waving "Goodbye" to them?!!! :eek:

Jimmy? You mean Fagan?

Knew that would set eyes goggling. A curious thing to stick on the end of a Fagan timeline I thought.

The train episode was bedlam I seem to recall.

troyhand
28-06-2013, 09:49 AM
Jimmy? You mean Fagan?

Knew that would set eyes goggling. A curious thing to stick on the end of a Fagan timeline I thought.

The train episode was bedlam I seem to recall.


I'm thinking Savile might have been portering at Park Lane (Ashworth) Hospital when Michael Fagan was incarcerated.

http://www.locarnoboy.co.uk/05/2012/sir-jimmy-savile-the-legacy/
Sir Jimmy Savile – The Legacy

The first time I saw Jimmy Savile he was driving a red open top E type Jag the wrong way along a one way street in Whitby...
...
His career at Mecca Ltd took him to Ilford, Manchester, Glasgow, where he quickly realised that to be successful, he needed to balance management and showmanship skills with physical skills.
...
Some of Sir Jimmy’s door staff from the Spinning Disc worked with me at The Cats Whiskers Leeds. At the mention of his name they would smile, look up to the heavens and say “Ah! Jim”.

If they had stories to tell they were staying silent.

His autobiography “Love is an Uphill Thing” is a candid and intelligent book. There are chapters where he could perhaps have told us more, but not Sir Jimmy.

As a true member of MENSA – it was only proper that he left us some puzzles.

discovery77
28-06-2013, 09:50 AM
That independent article - oh my god, sides splitting!!!

"Before pitching up rudely at the Queen's bedside, Fagan wandered around the palace, via King George V's multimillion-pound stamp collection, triggering the alarm twice. Police turned it off – assuming the warnings were errors."

STINK

The resulting scandal prompted the then Home Secretary, Willie Whitelaw, to offer his resignation to the Queen.

STINK

"The footman came and said, 'Cor, fucking hell mate, you look like you need a drink'. His name was [Paul] Whybrew, which is a funny name for someone offering you a drink, innit?

HAHAHA

"He says the night of his arrest was not the first time he had sneaked into the palace: a month earlier he broke in and managed to spend most of the night inside before leaving again undetected. His wife, Christine, had just left him. He climbed in through the window of a shocked maid's bedroom; she ran straight to security. But when they found nobody in her room they thought she'd imagined it, leaving Fagan free to explore undisturbed."

STINKS

All I found were some bins with 'corgi food' written on them. I was breaking my neck to go to the toilet. What do I do? Pee on the carpet? So I had to pee on the corgi food. I got into Charles's room and took the wine off the shelf and drunk it. It was cheap Californian.

STINKS AND HAHAHA!

"I was loving it... It was like Goldilocks and the Three Bears; I tried one throne and was like 'this one's too soft'. I was having a laugh to myself because there was one right next to it, so I tried another. He demonstrates how he reclined on a chair to view the Queen's art, putting his feet up on the pub table: "I was sitting like this – see. I liked the picture and thought I'd look at it till someone comes, but nobody came

HAHAHA IM DYING..............YOU'RE KIDDING ME.......

"Even all these years later, he cannot explain his motivation. "I don't know why I did it, something just got into my head,"
;)

"2002 Witnesses Uri Geller and Michael Jackson board a train at Paddington Station."

EH, WHAT??!!? :confused:

"He is indignant: "It was said in court 'he had a huge erection', but this woman can't have been from this planet! Her husband must be like that," he says, measuring a tiny distance with his thumb and forefinger"

HAHAHAHA!! Like a previous article said, could've been written......... by Monty Python............................:D

unseen_influencer
28-06-2013, 09:52 AM
Most recent user comments 1 of 1

" Grew up in Napier Road, Crowthorne, about 3 doors up from Don Bennett and well remember Jimmy's frequent appearances (my memory is mainly from the 1970's), usually in a gold Rolls or a large Winnebago that used to block the road!

By coincidence, my sister ended up working at the National Spinal Centre at Stoke Mandeville, an establishment that Sir Jimmy largely funded.

Always seemed a bit of an attention-seeker and an enigma at the same time, but his charitable achievements are of course commendable.
Kevin Bond, Thatcham
10/11/2011 at 12:41 Offensive or Inappropriate?"

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:V5r7BN12RroJ:www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2103113_true_gent_sir_jimmy_was_a_real_friend%3Fpa ge_size%3D50+&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

More about the Winnebago:

"posted 11 October 2012 - 09:05 PM
I just got a call off my mum tell me how she'd spoken to her brother, my uncle, in regards to a job he had years ago when he was in the job- Apparently he got a call over the radio that Saville was going to show up at a local school at whatever time, be there to keep the car park clear etc. He expected him to show up in hs famous car, a gold limo or something, but instead he came in a winnebago. Then, Saille got out of the vehicle and instead of say 'hello constable' or whatever you'd have expected (I wasn't really around when Saville was famous to be honest) he asked him 'How are the girls in the school'. I'm not saying there's anything to be read into in that but...wierd... "

http://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php?/topic/132310-jimmy-savile-allegations/page-2

"I caught a glimpse of this bizarre relationship in 1970-71. As a researcher on Radio 1's Speakeasy, I soon learned that the show's presenter,Savile, functioned in London out of a Winnebago parked between Broadcasting House reception and All Soul's, Langham Place, into which a stream of very young women flowed. This went on in a semi-public way, under the eyes of BBC management. What's more, Speakeasy, a discussion show aimed at a young audience, was a co-production between light entertainment and religious broadcasting. How could the head of religious broadcasting, Rev John Lang (who later became Dean of Lichfield and died this year), have allowed such behaviour to go on? My recollection is that they were awed by Savile's status and the access to youth culture he provided; grateful for the chance he offered to break out of the ghetto of religious broadcasting."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/09/jimmy-savile-bbc-full-disclosure

troyhand
28-06-2013, 10:13 AM
DISCO!! I just popped my ears laughing! :D
I'm with you. I'm beginning to really believe the Python team were writing some of this. They may truly be political scripters!


I wonder how many policemen visited...er, "raided" :cool:, the Batcave? Just follow the trail, trés bien.

troyhand
28-06-2013, 10:36 AM
That independent article - oh my god, sides splitting!!!


HAHAHA

"He says the night of his arrest was not the first time he had sneaked into the palace: a month earlier he broke in and managed to spend most of the night inside before leaving again undetected. His wife, Christine, had just left him. He climbed in through the window of a shocked maid's bedroom; she ran straight to security. But when they found nobody in her room they thought she'd imagined it, leaving Fagan free to explore undisturbed."

STINKS

HAHAHAHA!! Like a previous article said, could've been written......... by Monty Python............................:D

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=PD9PAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rgIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6712,7495082
Toledo Blade - Sep 24, 1982

Palace Intruder Found Innocent Of Stealing Wine
Was Charged In Incident Occuring Month Before Entering Queen's Bedroom


STINK!:D

horrified
28-06-2013, 10:44 AM
Brilliant finds on Fagan - is anyone able to copy & paste entire text of that articlehttp://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=8_tS2Vw13FcC&dat=19820713&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

I can't see it properly till I get to pc & all these foreign articles show more detail than UK press - don't want to lose them - what's best app/way of us all caching copies of items like this? I've been using djiigo but nit on phone only pc

troyhand
28-06-2013, 10:51 AM
Brilliant finds on Fagan - is anyone able to copy & paste entire text of that articlehttp://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=8_tS2Vw13FcC&dat=19820713&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

I can't see it properly till I get to pc & all these foreign articles show more detail than UK press - don't want to lose them - what's best app/way of us all caching copies of items like this? I've been using djiigo but nit on phone only pc

Is it this article?
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19820716&id=cqwxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MAMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6758,2075419
Toledo Blade - Jul 16, 1982
Aid to terrorists feared
British Question Publicity About Palace Security

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cqwxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MAMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4928,2113106
Toledo Blade - Jul 16, 1982
The Palace Invaded
...

Or maybe you meant this one from 1951?:D

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rWIbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dE0EAAAAIBAJ&pg=2595,1536617&
The Pittsburgh Press - Jul 6, 1951
Buckingham Palace Invaded! But Prowler Doesn't Get Far
Lone Intruder Eludes Traps, Army of Guards,
Caught in Corridor near Margaret's Room
...
...This is the fifth intrusion into a royal household within a year. :rolleyes:
...
...A maid spotted a moving figure in the shrubbery of the royal gardens and gave the alarm which rings bells all over Scotland Yard - a mile away.

["Terry! Is that the best you can write for us! Michael! John! Graham! Drop the big foot!!!"]

horrified
28-06-2013, 11:06 AM
Most recent user comments 1 of 1

" Grew up in Napier Road, Crowthorne, about 3 doors up from Don Bennett and well remember Jimmy's frequent appearances (my memory is mainly from the 1970's), usually in a gold Rolls or a large Winnebago that used to block the road!

By coincidence, my sister ended up working at the National Spinal Centre at Stoke Mandeville, an establishment that Sir Jimmy largely funded.

Always seemed a bit of an attention-seeker and an enigma at the same time, but his charitable achievements are of course commendable.
Kevin Bond, Thatcham
10/11/2011 at 12:41 Offensive or Inappropriate?"

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:V5r7BN12RroJ:www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2103113_true_gent_sir_jimmy_was_a_real_friend%3Fpa ge_size%3D50+&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

More about the Winnebago:

"posted 11 October 2012 - 09:05 PM
I just got a call off my mum tell me how she'd spoken to her brother, my uncle, in regards to a job he had years ago when he was in the job- Apparently he got a call over the radio that Saville was going to show up at a local school at whatever time, be there to keep the car park clear etc. He expected him to show up in hs famous car, a gold limo or something, but instead he came in a winnebago. Then, Saille got out of the vehicle and instead of say 'hello constable' or whatever you'd have expected (I wasn't really around when Saville was famous to be honest) he asked him 'How are the girls in the school'. I'm not saying there's anything to be read into in that but...wierd... "

http://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php?/topic/132310-jimmy-savile-allegations/page-2

"I caught a glimpse of this bizarre relationship in 1970-71. As a researcher on Radio 1's Speakeasy, I soon learned that the show's presenter,Savile, functioned in London out of a Winnebago parked between Broadcasting House reception and All Soul's, Langham Place, into which a stream of very young women flowed. This went on in a semi-public way, under the eyes of BBC management. What's more, Speakeasy, a discussion show aimed at a young audience, was a co-production between light entertainment and religious broadcasting. How could the head of religious broadcasting, Rev John Lang (who later became Dean of Lichfield and died this year), have allowed such behaviour to go on? My recollection is that they were awed by Savile's status and the access to youth culture he provided; grateful for the chance he offered to break out of the ghetto of religious broadcasting."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/09/jimmy-savile-bbc-full-disclosure

TOM driberg grew up in crowthorne hating it and his parents but that must have been in 20s will check dates have been reading Francis wheen on driberg

discovery77
28-06-2013, 11:26 AM
Watching the reactions in media and on street of the Oxford grooming case, and sentencing, and thinking how biased it is against the Muslim community, especially considering what has been unearthed recently here and other places about children in care abused nationwide.

Very keen to make a strong visible show of derision of such crimes committed by this community and give decent sentence - many have said landmark sentencing - but slebs getting next to nothing and MPs and the like as yet untouchable.

Im also pleased to notice however some vociferous views on Sky just now about how this is actually a nationwide problem not involving just Muslims, as we well know - of vulnerable young girls (still no boys mentioned) being groomed and abused, by people of all races and backgrounds in Britain. (many elite or in positions of power :rolleyes:)

Glad to see some coverage, however scant though - Sky reports gang grooming in UK is a growing problem - more than 16 000 children in uk at risk of sexual exploitation - most probably from care homes/foster homes.

marny
28-06-2013, 12:17 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jun/26/jeremy-forrest-twitter-users

Jeremy Forrest case: Twitter users could have broken the law

Can't see how they can put all this down to social media.


They are getting closer to total censorship, then they will be targeting sites like this.


This is perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the behaviour of those on social media: not those who were confused, but those who decided that because the law did not make sense to them, they would identify the victim anyway.

The Law does not seem to make sense to Judges but it is only the masses who will suffer.

unseen_influencer
28-06-2013, 12:47 PM
"Alan Franey, Barndoc
...
Alan joined the NHS in 1968 and has held Management posts in Brighton, London and Leeds. In 1989 he was seconded by the DOH to lead a Task Force at Broadmoor Hospital. He was subsequently appointed Chief Executive and remained in post for 9 years. Alan is also a Mental Health Act Manager and Borough Councillor."

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Alan-Stewart/1283217815


The Google book (I can't copy it) has his version of the 6-week secondment to Broadmoor on pages 34 and 35. It mentions an unusual meeting in the Athenaeum Club...there is a lot of background information about the secure hospitals, and more about Franey.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1f03DANU9_sC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=%22alan+franey%22%2B%22brighton%22&source=bl&ots=j8ggkYHg3K&sig=P2BlAgU1KO7ImEaaaIks8RfC_1I&hl=en&sa=X&ei=f3XNUbydH4LM0QWguIGoBQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22alan%20franey%22%2B%22brighton%22&f=false

pete675
28-06-2013, 02:02 PM
"Alan Franey, Barndoc
...
Alan joined the NHS in 1968 and has held Management posts in Brighton, London and Leeds. In 1989 he was seconded by the DOH to lead a Task Force at Broadmoor Hospital. He was subsequently appointed Chief Executive and remained in post for 9 years. Alan is also a Mental Health Act Manager and Borough Councillor."

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Alan-Stewart/1283217815


The Google book (I can't copy it) has his version of the 6-week secondment to Broadmoor on pages 34 and 35. It mentions an unusual meeting in the Athenaeum Club...there is a lot of background information about the secure hospitals, and more about Franey.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1f03DANU9_sC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=%22alan+franey%22%2B%22brighton%22&source=bl&ots=j8ggkYHg3K&sig=P2BlAgU1KO7ImEaaaIks8RfC_1I&hl=en&sa=X&ei=f3XNUbydH4LM0QWguIGoBQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22alan%20franey%22%2B%22brighton%22&f=false


Here's the pages:

http://s23.postimg.org/xqusb5z7b/p34books.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/xqusb5z7b/)


http://s10.postimg.org/58kvmcv7p/p35books.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/58kvmcv7p/)

goodness
28-06-2013, 02:49 PM
For those who haven't been able to copy & paste from google books, Pete675 has nicely provided these instructions:

It's easy enough to do with Firefox, go to Tools - Page Info and you can download any image on a page. Just select and save in the normal way, but remember to change the extension to JPG as the default option is HTM.

goodness
28-06-2013, 03:05 PM
@WW

A cyclist is recovering after raising more than £3,000 for the charity that cared for his mum before she died earlier this year.

And Steve Bennett, 55, from Sandhurst got a boost from former TV presenter and supporter of Broadmoor Hospital Sir Jimmy Savile who presented him with a cheque to swell the funds.

Steve rode his bike from London to Paris to raise money for the Thames Valley Hospice in Windsor after his mum Pat, who died of bone cancer in April, saw a brochure advertising the ride last year.

Steve, who works at Broadmoor Hospital in Crowthorne,

@unseeninfluencer

Steve Bennett lives in Templar Close! There is also this:

"Dr Kamal has taken on additional work within the directorate and is still always available for patients and staff.

It is not only Vikki that has recognised Dr Kamal’s commitment and dedication, the nomination was also supported by thirteen of his colleagues who each made a statement.

Here are examples of a few:

“In my view he possesses the professional qualities as a consultant, but more importantly, the 'personal' qualities which encourage staff and patients to grow in a positive way"

Steve Bennett, security liaison nurse"

http://wlmht.nhs.uk/careers/employee...8/january.html


Steve Bennett
360 Jet Cleaning
18, Templar Close
Sandhurst
Berkshire
GU47 8JP
Tel. (01252)878169

@goodness
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/sbres/45.$plit/C_67_article_2103113_body_articleblock_0_bodyimage .jpg?10%2F11%2F2011%2008%3A51%3A18%3A002

Sir Jimmy Savile with Don Bennett: Mr bennett was a transport manager at broadmoor hospital

Looks like they went on a cruise together.


Quote:

I remember we went to Windsor Castle once to meet Prince Charles. He insisted I came in and met him too.

The Transportation driver from Broadmoor, drove Savile to Windsor Castle and went inside and met with Charles. Was there anyone else with them from Broadmoor? Were they making a delivery to Charles? Why was Savile being driven by Boadmoor staff to Windsor Castle?

And, predictably, he was awarded an MBE from the Queen.
http://i.imgur.com/WERS6UZ.png?1

sweetcheeks
28-06-2013, 03:14 PM
Last night I attended The Rose Theatre where Tom Watson MP was interviewed by Daily Mirror journalist Kevin Maguire and amongst other topics, historic child abuse was discussed. Tom came across as very dedicated and told us that he had been inundated by not only victims, but also ex police/social workers etc since making his statement in Parliament.
He kindly spent a good hour afterwards talking to us informally and we got plenty of opportunity to ask him some questions. I asked him how he felt the investigations were going, was he being kept informed of progress and whether he felt they were being thorough. He stated that he felt there were great strides being made, he felt they were doing a very thorough job and also that he was being kept updated as far as was feasible. He also stated that some other MP's, in other areas, were specifically looking into some historic cases from their own constituencies that had come to light recently, so I came away from the evening feeling much more positive.
I also mentioned the Icke Forum and told him that we had been writing to our MPs and he confirmed that he had MP's from all parties approach him and tell him that they had received letters from constituents asking them to support him and they were asking Tom what they could do to help. Tom said he found it very helpful and seemed pleased with our efforts.
I also noticed he used two specific terms during his talk
"Follow the money"
"Joining the dots"
So I have a sneaking suspicion he may pop into the Savile thread at times! Hello Tom, if you are peeking ;)
I must say I am not enamoured with politicians, but Tom Watson came across as genuinely caring, empathetic and courageous. I now also have a copy of his book 'Dial M for Murdock' signed to 'Sweetcheeks"!
I also took the opportunity to ask Journalist Kevin Maguire about DA Notices and he assured me that they are never explicitly forbidden from publishing, however it is more of a 'gentleman's agreement' when lives could be endangered or cases compromised.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Gojam (The Needleblog) and Transcriber last night and both are lovely people working really hard to join dots and get the message out. Hi also to Tig x
Stay positive people, we are really making a difference!

marny
28-06-2013, 03:36 PM
Many thanks for the summary sweetcheeks ,sounds very encouraging.:)
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sweetcheeks
28-06-2013, 03:47 PM
Many thanks for the summary sweetcheeks ,sounds very encouraging.:)
.

You are most welcome and yes, it definitely sounded encouraging and glad we have Watson on our 'team'! ;)

Interesting to see your links to Don Bennett above, Goodness, it appears that Don counted himself as one of Savile's closest friends, ran marathons and chauffeured him around, and at his death said he had known Savile 44 years, so that means he must have known him since 1967. Then in 1977 he receives an MBE. Hmmm.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2103113_true_gent_sir_jimmy_was_a_real_friend

bellahunter
28-06-2013, 04:00 PM
Last night I attended The Rose Theatre where Tom Watson MP was interviewed by Daily Mirror journalist Kevin Maguire and amongst other topics, historic child abuse was discussed. Tom came across as very dedicated and told us that he had been inundated by not only victims, but also ex police/social workers etc since making his statement in Parliament.
He kindly spent a good hour afterwards talking to us informally and we got plenty of opportunity to ask him some questions. I asked him how he felt the investigations were going, was he being kept informed of progress and whether he felt they were being thorough. He stated that he felt there were great strides being made, he felt they were doing a very thorough job and also that he was being kept updated as far as was feasible. He also stated that some other MP's, in other areas, were specifically looking into some historic cases from their own constituencies that had come to light recently, so I came away from the evening feeling much more positive.
I also mentioned the Icke Forum and told him that we had been writing to our MPs and he confirmed that he had MP's from all parties approach him and tell him that they had received letters from constituents asking them to support him and they were asking Tom what they could do to help. Tom said he found it very helpful and seemed pleased with our efforts.
I also noticed he used two specific terms during his talk
"Follow the money"
"Joining the dots"
So I have a sneaking suspicion he may pop into the Savile thread at times! Hello Tom, if you are peeking ;)
I must say I am not enamoured with politicians, but Tom Watson came across as genuinely caring, empathetic and courageous. I now also have a copy of his book 'Dial M for Murdock' signed to 'Sweetcheeks"!
I also took the opportunity to ask Journalist Kevin Maguire about DA Notices and he assured me that they are never explicitly forbidden from publishing, however it is more of a 'gentleman's agreement' when lives could be endangered or cases compromised.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Gojam (The Needleblog) and Transcriber last night and both are lovely people working really hard to join dots and get the message out. Hi also to Tig x
Stay positive people, we are really making a difference!

Yes, I think we needed an injection of positivity. Thanks for going sweet cheeks and giving us an update.

discovery77
28-06-2013, 04:18 PM
@Sweetcheeks - thank you for representing Team Anders and providing us with that update! Really pleased you went, asked q's and provided us with this info! Would have loved to have gone but just too far for me unfortunately. :(
I really like Kevin Maguire - v. pleased he was there showing support too. :) Emboldening to know our letters have been getting through to Tom too by other MP's!

p.s. Did Tom put a kiss at the end of 'Sweetcheeks'? lol. :D

sweetcheeks
28-06-2013, 04:31 PM
@Sweetcheeks - thank you for representing Team Anders and providing us with that update! Really pleased you went, asked q's and provided us with this info! Would have loved to have gone but just too far for me unfortunately. :(
I really like Kevin Maguire - v. pleased he was there showing support too. :) Emboldening to know our letters have been getting through to Tom too by other MP's!

p.s. Did Tom put a kiss at the end of 'Sweetcheeks'? lol. :D

I think I may have found a kiss on my 'sweetcheeks' a little disconcerting, so was more than happy with the exclamation mark he placed on the tail end! ;)

Gojam videoed the whole event so hopefully he will put something up at some stage.

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/

discovery77
28-06-2013, 04:39 PM
I think I may have found a kiss on my 'sweetcheeks' a little disconcerting, so was more than happy with the exclamation mark he placed on the tail end! ;)

Gojam videoed the whole event so hopefully he will put something up at some stage.

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/

:D Point taken.

That's great it was videod, will wait eagerly to see it uploaded to Needle.

achilles heel
28-06-2013, 05:31 PM
Last night I attended The Rose Theatre where Tom Watson MP was interviewed by Daily Mirror journalist Kevin Maguire and amongst other topics, historic child abuse was discussed. Tom came across as very dedicated and told us that he had been inundated by not only victims, but also ex police/social workers etc since making his statement in Parliament.
He kindly spent a good hour afterwards talking to us informally and we got plenty of opportunity to ask him some questions. I asked him how he felt the investigations were going, was he being kept informed of progress and whether he felt they were being thorough. He stated that he felt there were great strides being made, he felt they were doing a very thorough job and also that he was being kept updated as far as was feasible. He also stated that some other MP's, in other areas, were specifically looking into some historic cases from their own constituencies that had come to light recently, so I came away from the evening feeling much more positive.
I also mentioned the Icke Forum and told him that we had been writing to our MPs and he confirmed that he had MP's from all parties approach him and tell him that they had received letters from constituents asking them to support him and they were asking Tom what they could do to help. Tom said he found it very helpful and seemed pleased with our efforts.
I also noticed he used two specific terms during his talk
"Follow the money"
"Joining the dots"
So I have a sneaking suspicion he may pop into the Savile thread at times! Hello Tom, if you are peeking ;)
I must say I am not enamoured with politicians, but Tom Watson came across as genuinely caring, empathetic and courageous. I now also have a copy of his book 'Dial M for Murdock' signed to 'Sweetcheeks"!
I also took the opportunity to ask Journalist Kevin Maguire about DA Notices and he assured me that they are never explicitly forbidden from publishing, however it is more of a 'gentleman's agreement' when lives could be endangered or cases compromised.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Gojam (The Needleblog) and Transcriber last night and both are lovely people working really hard to join dots and get the message out. Hi also to Tig x
Stay positive people, we are really making a difference!

Brilliant news Sweetcheeks.:)

moran73
28-06-2013, 06:01 PM
I don't post so much now but I'm always here and sharing the amazing work done here with twitter

This is excellent & thanks for sharing

Join the dots & follow the money are being used all the time on twitter

And #paedobritain2 is coming at the end of July and the wonderful detective work produced here will be shared far and wide

goodness
28-06-2013, 06:42 PM
@sweetcheeks

Thanks for the uplifting post about the meeting. Very encouraging.:)

welshwitch
28-06-2013, 06:51 PM
@Sweetcheeks - thanks for the updates and info. Guess we all need some reassurance that something positive will come from these investigations. :)

TRESTRAIL/GEOFFREY PRIME/BIRMINGHAM 6/BUCK HOUSE/FAGAN


We've looked more closely at JUDGE ANTHONY RUSSELL and his GAY SAUNA episode - plus his LEGAL FAMILY connections.

Another name which links ALL these events is that of

Nigel Bridge, Baron Bridge of Harwich

is best known for his role as presiding judge in the infamous Birmingham Six miscarriage of justice, especially his closing remarks where he regretted his inability to hang those wrongly convicted. :eek:

He was a member of the Security Commission from 1977 and 1985, serving as chairman between 1982 and 1985, in which capacity he published a report into the vetting of staff at Buckingham Palace.(1) He also conducted inquiries following the cases of Geoffrey Prime, Michael Bettaney and Rhona Ritchie.

(1)(Trestrail investigation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Bridge,_Baron_Bridge_of_Harwich#cite_note-1


Michael Bettaney

Michael John Bettaney (b. 1950)[1] was an intelligence officer working in the Counter-espionage branch of MI5 who was convicted at the Old Bailey in 1984 of offences under section 1 of the Official Secrets Act 1911 after passing sensitive documents to the Soviet Embassy in London and attempting to act as an agent-in-place for the Soviet Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bettaney

Rhona Ritchie

He examined the case of the MI5 spy Michael Bettaney, who had passed secrets to the Soviets, and the diplomat Rhona Ritchie, who had passed secrets to her Egyptian lover; Bridge urged ambassadors to take a closer interest in the sex lives of their subordinates.

Sad spies and a blast at No. 10

While Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher worked in the upstairs study of her official residence at No. 10 Downing Street, an aide sorting mail in a room below noted a suspiciously bulky envelope. As he warily began to open it, the envelope exploded into flames, burning the man's face and hands. Thatcher, however, was not harmed. According to a note enclosed in the 7½-in. by 5-in. envelope, the attack was the work of a previously unknown environmentalist group, the Animal Rights Militia.

Coming just four months after an intruder entered Queen Elizabeth's bedroom, the incident...


Can't get the rest - it's a sub - but it obviously mentions Ritchie ---

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,923139,00.html

Obit - Baron Bridge - mentions high profile cases
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/nov/28/guardianobituaries.ukcrime


A little like having the same 'coroner' for Diana, Dr David Kelly, Carol Kasir - keep all the dirt in one place........................

Looks like NIGEL BRIDGES was a fixer too.

troyhand
28-06-2013, 07:46 PM
@sweetcheeks

Thanks for the uplifting post about the meeting. Very encouraging.:)

+1 AGREED! That's wonderful news to wake up to. Kudos, sweetcheeks

goodness... I think you're spot on about Westwood

Hi Troyhand,

Westwood seems to be a member of this sick group - her name has popped up numerous times - e.g. She was McAlpine's second wife's designer. She's probably a minor player - just thought I'd mention her in case you come across something interesting, i.e. incriminating.

With a keen eye for trends, McLaren realized in the 1970s that a new youth style was needed, and largely initiated the punk movement, to which he supplied fashions from the Chelsea boutique 'SEX' (operated with his girlfriend Vivienne Westwood)

http://www.kitmeout.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Dame-Vivienne-Westwood.jpg

Westwood was deeply interested in the punk fashion phenomenon of the 1970s, saying "I was messianic about punk, seeing if one could put a spoke in the system in some way".[5] The "punk style" included BDSM fashion, bondage gear, safety pins, razor blades, bicycle or lavatory chains on clothing and spiked dog collars for jewellery, as well as outrageous make-up and hair.

Princess Eugenie wore three different Westwood designs for the pre-wedding dinner, the wedding ceremony and the after-wedding party at the 2011 royal wedding.[11]

Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, wore Westwood to Royal Ascot in 2009.

In 1992, Westwood was awarded an OBE, which she collected from Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace.[28] At the ceremony, Westwood was knicker-less, which was later captured by a photographer in the courtyard of Buckingham Palace. Westwood later said "I wished to show off my outfit by twirling the skirt. It did not occur to me that, as the photographers were practically on their knees, the result would be more glamorous than I expected",[29] and added "I have heard that the picture amused the Queen"

Ben Westwood, son of Vivienne and Derek Westwood, is a photographer of erotica.
Joseph Corré, son of Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren, is the founder of lingerie brand Agent Provocateur.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-524378/The-charity-shop-cast-finger-painted-children-pass-11-000-dress.html
Daily Mail - 02 March 2008
The charity shop cast-off finger painted by children that could pass for an £11,000 dress
...
Both the spattered fabric and nursery school make-up worn by Vivienne Westwood's models in Paris last week were the collective artwork and doodles of Portland Primary School in Nottingham.
Vivienne Westwood - whose first job was as a primary school teacher - discovered the creative talents of the children of Portland Primary School when they sent her pictures of the designs they had drawn for their own fashion show at school.
...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1985365.stm
BBC News - Monday, 13 May, 2002
Beckhams' bash boosts charity

An auction held by Victoria and David Beckham for the NSPCC children's charity is expected to raise about £400,000.
The couple's Hertfordshire mansion - nicknamed Beckingham Palace - hosted the Japanese-style celebration.
Sir Elton John, Cilla Black, Vivienne Westwood, Joan Collins and Jamie Oliver mixed with football stars including England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson, Michael Owen, David Seaman, Teddy Sheringham and Joe Cole.
...
Entertainment was provided by opera singer Russell Watson, soul singer Beverley Knight and Radio 1 DJs.
...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/week-in-rock-history-the-pixies-break-up-20120109
Rolling Stone
January 13, 1986: The Sex Pistols sue former manager Malcolm McLaren
At their most volatile, the Sex Pistols only answered to one man: their manager, Malcolm McLaren, whose keen media manipulation and proto-punk style sensibilities (influenced by his longtime girlfriend, designer Vivienne Westwood) lent the band much of their fame.
...
http://thejohnfleming.wordpress.com/tag/vivienne-westwood/
The Comedy Cafe’s owner, Noel Faulkner, has had a ‘colourful’ past which he revealed in his astonishing 2005 Edinburgh Fringe show Shake, Rattle & Noel.
...After being brought up in Ireland by the Christian Brothers and working on fishing trawlers and having some peripheral encounters with the IRA, he was in Swinging London at its height where he got involved with the young Malcolm McLaren & Vivienne Westwood and sold Gary Glitter his first glitter suit.
...
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1316293,00.html
The Guardian - Friday 1 October 2004
What not to wear

The first phase of punk styling, between 1976 and 1977, was probably the last time in social history that clothing would provoke hatred. As the garments sold at SEX and Seditionaries went to prove,...
...In terms of the high street, public transport and general daywear, the clothing sold at SEX and Seditionaries was considered way beyond the limits of public tolerance. Appearing at a time long before postmodernism had rendered all imagery nothing more than "another look", the pictures of naked cowboy hustlers, nude little boys (smoking a cigarette), hardcore gay sex, swastikas over an inverted crucifix, sexualised Disney cartoons, bared breasts and the Queen with a safety pin through her mouth, were nothing less than a spit in the eye of everyone who wasn't in on their code.
...
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/the-cool-year-1997-reviewed-1290789.html
The Independent - Sunday 28 December 1997
The Cool Year: 1997 reviewed
...Less cool was batty Vivienne Westwood's use of a 14-year-old model in a show, which proved too much for some of our moral overseers.

goodness
28-06-2013, 07:55 PM
Ian Brady should stay in psychiatric hospital, tribunal rules

Moors murderer argued that he was not suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and said he wanted to be back in jail


Helen Pidd, northern editor
The Guardian, Friday 28 June 2013 14.03 EDT

The Moors murderer Ian Brady should stay at Ashworth secure (LOL) mental hospital in Merseyside where he has been held since 1985, a mental health tribunal has ruled .

The 75-year-old argued that he was not suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and had never been mentally ill since he was jailed for life in 1966. He claimed he was sectioned only after pretending to be psychotic, believing life would be better in hospital than in jail. However, the judge-led panel disagreed.







http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/28/ian-brady-tribunal-ruling

goodness
28-06-2013, 08:11 PM
@moran73

I don't post so much now but I'm always here and sharing the amazing work done here with twitter

This is excellent & thanks for sharing

Join the dots & follow the money are being used all the time on twitter

And #paedobritain2 is coming at the end of July and the wonderful detective work produced here will be shared far and wide

+1

goodness
28-06-2013, 08:19 PM
@WW

A little like having the same 'coroner' for Diana, Dr David Kelly, Carol Kasir - keep all the dirt in one place........................

Looks like NIGEL BRIDGES was a fixer too.

A judiciary list would be a great idea too - arranged alphabetically and/or chronologically, listing judges who are connected to all of this. The judiciary is clearly a main tool of theirs.

@whitehorse - perhaps you can enter these judicial links into your computer brain as they develop?

strombone
28-06-2013, 08:29 PM
Can't get the rest - it's a sub - but it obviously mentions Ritchie ---

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,923139,00.html



Sad spies and a blast at No. 10

While Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher worked in the upstairs study of her official residence at No. 10 Downing Street, an aide sorting mail in a room below noted a suspiciously bulky envelope. As he warily began to open it, the envelope exploded into flames, burning the man's face and hands. Thatcher, however, was not harmed. According to a note enclosed in the 7½-in. by 5-in. envelope, the attack was the work of a previously unknown environmentalist group, the Animal Rights Militia.
Coming just four months after an intruder entered Queen Elizabeth's bedroom, the incident revived doubts about the safety of British leaders. For Thatcher, it was an unwelcome embarrassment in a week marked by revelations that a number of new leaks had been detected in Britain's sievelike national security system. Only three weeks ago, Geoffrey Prime, a Russian-language expert at Britain's top-secret Cheltenham communications center, pleaded guilty to charges of spying for the Soviet Union. It was enough to give the already rattled British a bad case of jitters. Said a group of Conservative Members of Parliament who called for a judicial investigation of the "parlous" state of British security: "The time for bland assurances is long past."

Most serious was the case of Hugh Hambleton, 60, a Canadian economics professor. Arrested shortly after his arrival in Britain last June, Hambleton is believed to have spied for the Soviets for some 30 years. While working as an economist at NATO's Paris headquarters from 1956 to 1961, he allegedly gave the Soviets copies of more than 80 NATO documents carrying the "cosmic" designation, NATO'S highest security classification. The consequence, Attorney General Sir Michael Havers told London's Old Bailey criminal court, could only have been "exceptionally grave damage" to the alliance.
The graying, impeccably attired Hambleton was apparently recruited by the KGB during the late 1940s in Ottawa, then trained in espionage methods and cultivated as a Soviet agent while he studied in France and Britain. For reasons that remain unclear, Hambleton resigned from NATO in 1961. He returned to study in London and later joined Quebec's Laval University in 1964 to teach economics.

Hambleton continued working for the KGB, occasionally receiving cash payments of up to $5,000. In 1975, he says, he was invited to Moscow, where he had a rare interview with Yuri Andropov, then head of the KGB. Chatting over dinner in fluent English, Andropov pressed Hambleton to enter Canadian politics. "It was a great honor," Hambleton told British authorities. "I got the feeling he wanted me to exert influence on behalf of Russia, rather than spy." In 1979 the Royal Canadian Mounted Police finally raided his house, finding NATO documents and spying paraphernalia, including a high-speed code receiver. But after questioning, Hambleton was released on the grounds that his spying did not directly affect Canadian security. That decision led Hambleton mistakenly to believe he was immune from prosecution when he nonchalantly flew to England for a visit. But in his defense last week, Hambleton unveiled yet another twist to his story. Espionage charges against him were unwarranted, his lawyer claimed, because he had in fact been a double agent working for NATO all along.

In sharp contrast, the case of British Diplomat Rhona Ritchie, 30, was merely sad. She was convicted of relaying the contents of confidential cables to her lover, an Egyptian diplomat, while she served at the British embassy in Israel. Attorney General Havers condemned her indiscretions as "more foolish than wicked," noting that the cables' contents would eventually have become known in any case. Already dismissed from the foreign service, Ritchie received a nine-month suspended sentence.
While the Hambleton trial unfolded, still further security breaches were revealed as an army lance corporal and a government information officer were charged with violations of the Official Secrets Act, apparently for relatively minor offenses. Then last Friday the string of spy scandals took a new turn with the expulsion of the Soviet naval attache, Captain Anatoli Pavlovich Zotov, for unspecified "inadmissible activities," a diplomatic euphemism for spying. No wonder the chairman of a parliamentary investigation concluded last week that Britain's security screening system is a "shambles."

welshwitch
28-06-2013, 08:54 PM
@STROMBONE

Thanks!! - Looks altogether like Thatcher was facing a 2nd PROFUMO type outbreak- no wonder there were so many containment exercises. :rolleyes:

A judiciary list would be a great idea too - arranged alphabetically and/or chronologically, listing judges who are connected to all of this. The judiciary is clearly a main tool of theirs.

@whitehorse - perhaps you can enter these judicial links into your computer brain as they develop?

HAVERS - mentioned in Strombone's post has also figured prominently here as a cover-up merchant - especially with regard to Geoffrey Dickens allegations regarding widespread child abuse.

They were all fighting to keep a lid on revelations - seemingly successfully for 30+ years.

No different from current day Politicians being two-faced - difference today is that many people cotton on to the scams within minutes or hours. That's why they are struggling to keep things under wraps.

I see the latest ''threat'' is energy rationing within a couple of years.... (would help keep bloggers/posters off the internet -------- but it'll be TOO LATE- not even Eric Pickles has fingers fat enough to plug the dam. ) :p

victoria meldrew
28-06-2013, 09:10 PM
Hi Sweetcheeks.

You are a totally fabulous person:D

I truly hope that there is some simplistic way to summarise all the info contained here. I've so strenuously tried to inform/explain what has/is going on but the majority can't/don't want to understand.

Until then, my emails make me out to be a complete t**t. XxX

HiHLast night I attended The Rose Theatre where Tom Watson MP was interviewed by Daily Mirror journalist Kevin Maguire and amongst other topics, historic child abuse was discussed. Tom came across as very dedicated and told us that he had been inundated by not only victims, but also ex police/social workers etc since making his statement in Parliament.
He kindly spent a good hour afterwards talking to us informally and we got plenty of opportunity to ask him some questions. I asked him how he felt the investigations were going, was he being kept informed of progress and whether he felt they were being thorough. He stated that he felt there were great strides being made, he felt they were doing a very thorough job and also that he was being kept updated as far as was feasible. He also stated that some other MP's, in other areas, were specifically looking into some historic cases from their own constituencies that had come to light recently, so I came away from the evening feeling much more positive.
I also mentioned the Icke Forum and told him that we had been writing to our MPs and he confirmed that he had MP's from all parties approach him and tell him that they had received letters from constituents asking them to support him and they were asking Tom what they could do to help. Tom said he found it very helpful and seemed pleased with our efforts.
I also noticed he used two specific terms during his talk
"Follow the money"
"Joining the dots"
So I have a sneaking suspicion he may pop into the Savile thread at times! Hello Tom, if you are peeking ;)
I must say I am not enamoured with politicians, but Tom Watson came across as genuinely caring, empathetic and courageous. I now also have a copy of his book 'Dial M for Murdock' signed to 'Sweetcheeks"!
I also took the opportunity to ask Journalist Kevin Maguire about DA Notices and he assured me that they are never explicitly forbidden from publishing, however it is more of a 'gentleman's agreement' when lives could be endangered or cases compromised.
I also had the pleasure of meeting Gojam (The Needleblog) and Transcriber last night and both are lovely people working really hard to join dots and get the message out. Hi also to Tig x
Stay positive people, we are really making a difference!

welshwitch
28-06-2013, 09:11 PM
On the subject of SAVILE, SPIES AND STUFF

I was reading Spycatcher and this para seemed to apply to so much of what we have found

I soon realized that the Ring of Five stood at the center of a series of other concentric rings, each pledged to silence, each anxious to protect its secrets from outsiders. There was the secret ring of homosexuals, where loyalty to their kind overrode all other obligations; there was the secret world of the Apostles, where ties to fellow Apostles remained strong throughout life; and then there was the ring of those friends of Blunt and Burgess who were not themselves spies, but who knew or guessed what was going on. They shared the secret, and worked to protect them for many years. Each ring supported the others, and made the task of identifying the inner core that much more difficult.

http://www.e-reading-lib.org/bookreader.php/1015471/Wright_-_Spycatcher.html


edit

and on the subject of names - PROCTOR

Keith Harvey Proctor (born 16 January 1947)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Proctor

Proctor Keith H - Tegerdine (mother's name) Pontefract 2c 998


Allegedly Dad (Albert) was a master baker. He married in June 1937


I did find another PROCTOR in Spycatcher

"Does the name Dennis Proctor mean anything to you?" she growled.

It did indeed. Dennis Proctor was then the Permanent Secretary at the Ministry of Fuel and Power, having joined the Civil Service in the 1930s, when he had served as Stanley Baldwin's private secretary. In my travels around Cambridge and Oxford nearly a dozen people had picked out Proctor as a notable left-winger, although not a Communist, during his undergraduate days. He had the classic Cambridge Comintern recruit's profile - he was a close friend of Burgess, Blunt, Philby, and Watson and a member of the Apostles.

It's probably been flagged before- my memory fades as did Dennis Proctor's ...................

Given so many of our current MP's and local dignitaries seem to be related (one big happy family *puke*)

I just wondered if another family member had encouraged Harvey - the baker's boy - to go into politics

P.s Thanks all for the Crowboro/Broadmoor/Bennett info - plus that Driberg hailed from there (he should have been a broadmoor candidate - or maybe he was........................

victoria meldrew
28-06-2013, 09:33 PM
It's not just the "dirty perv" or disgusting "local kiddie fiddler". That sounds disgusting but it's true.

It's the:

Royalty
Priests/Religious "Beings"
Peers of the Realm and Families
MPs/Councillors
Police
Masonic Twits
Lawyers
Social Services
Doctors
Teachers
Journalists

We need to get the message out that these "trusted" people are the worst.

victoria meldrew
28-06-2013, 09:51 PM
Like me, I know you are totally disgusted by recent events that newspapers have brought to light. However, the following link will make you cry. Hold onto your hat: ????

truthseeker_34
28-06-2013, 10:49 PM
Hi Troyhand, (I snipped some of your post to save a lot of repetition) I've been interested in Savile's early days in Glasgow, where apparently (according to this blog - link and partial post below) his career kicked off. It definitely states that he was around the Glasgow dance hall scene in the early days. I can't help wondering if there were any connections with Fred West, Ian Brady or Bible John, because these guys all had connections to Glasgow around the time Jimmy would've been there. Anyway this blog confirms when he was there.

Well, I know Savile had connections with Celtic Football Club in Glasgow and they themselves had been involved CSA. I've previously posted links & photos on this.

There is certainly more than a connection with Jimmy Savile, Ian Brady and Fred West plus many others and I would also included David Murphy.

And certainly some of the underworld figures like Paul Ferris & Thomas ‘The Licensee’ McGraw (deceased) need looked at. As underage prostitution is rife in glasgow.

CAREGIRL,14 APPEARS IN HOME-MADE PORN MOVIE; Probe into prostitution scandal.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CAREGIRL%2c14+APPEARS+IN+HOME-MADE+PORN+MOVIE%3b+Probe+into+prostitution...-a076378218

Horror of schoolgirl forced into prostitution by pimp aged just 13
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/horror-of-schoolgirl-forced-into-prostitution-by-pimp-1099229

Revealed: Scandal of pimps and sexual predators luring Scottish children in council care into prostitution
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-scandal-pimps-sexual-predators-1883610

Children lured vice case study
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/children-lured-vice-case-study-1883693

I was told by a source that there is/was underground tunnel below the area of the Red Light District of Glasgow. I also know that woman informed Strathclyde Police of a ‘child sex party’ and where tip-off of the raid.

I can't confirm this but according to another source who'd spoken with someone in Social Services, that children where still being taken from Ireland to Scotland.

As for Bible John, well i'll come back to him later.

Nicola Sturgeon MSP knows alot about the CSA.

I'll post a photo of Barbara Kelly (Whitby) as I belive she was related to Jimmy Savile. If this is the case, then I won't say too much just now.

achilles heel
28-06-2013, 11:32 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/1109208/moors-murderer-i-killed-four-more-people

Brady lost his £250,000 legal bid to be moved to prison and will remain at Ashworth Hospital.

In a series of letters to former journalist Brendan Pittaway (which have been published in the Daily Telegraph) Brady claims to have killed four more people, two men in Glasgow and a man and woman in Manchester.

goodness
28-06-2013, 11:48 PM
Ian Brady review/Glasgow connections from Aangirfan

Ian Brady/Savile/Ripper/Kray gang/Glasgow gang/drugs/weapons sales/pornography


Ian Brady - born in Glasgow, Scotland in 1938.

Wednesday, June 12, 2013

JIMMY SAVILE, CHILD MURDERERS, TOP PEOPLE


According to Myra Hindley's diary, she and Ian Brady were regular visitors to the New Elizabethan Ballroom, in Manchester.

They attended at least one of the many sessions hosted by the resident DJ, Jimmy Savile.

"On Boxing Day, 1964, Brady and Hindley made an audio recording as they bound, gagged and photographed Lesley Ann Downey before they killed her."

Michael Horgan organised and filmed "satanic-themed orgies" at which children were raped.

Horgan organised satanic torture and child abuse orgies on Saddleworth Moor, where child killers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley had buried their victims.

Horgan's step-son Michael Roberts says he was only six when he was sexually abused by 29-stone Sir Cyril Smith.

Sir Cyril Smith was a close friend of Sir Jimmy Savile, friend of the Royal Family, the military and Israel.


Ian Brady became Jimmy Savile's friend.

Savile was also acquainted with Ronnie Kray and Peter Sutcliffe.

Peter Sutcliffe committing one of 'his' murders just opposite Jimmy Savile's penthouse in Leeds, and another in Savile Park in Halifax.

Child murderers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, who had friends in high places.

Myra Hindley was befriended by Lord David Astor, a former editor of the Observer, and by Lord Longford, a former cabinet minister who took a great interest in pornography.

Astor and Longford plotted to get Hindley released from prison.

Myra Hindley's relationship with Lord Longford

Some people believe that Hindley has secretly been released from prison, although the official story is that she is dead.

Moors Murderer' Ian Brady worked as an 'enforcer' for top Glasgow crime boss Arthur Thompson.

'Glasgow godfather' Thompson reportedly was selling guns to the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force).

He worked for MI5.

"They then told him he could pretty much start the drugs trade in Glasgow."

Arthur Thompson was an associate of the Kray twins.

The Kray twins reportedly ran a pedophile ring for top people.

Brady and Hindley's child killings took place in the North of England, near Manchester.

But, Ian Brady "implies he may have ... buried bodies at the Campsie Fells near Glasgow.

In his letters, Ian Brady "drops in the names of the Kray twins, Ronnie and Reggie, who terrorised London’s east end in the 1950s and 60s."

Moors Murderer Ian Brady brags of Scottish gangland links.

In the 1970s, Lord Longford, friend of Hindley, compiled a self-funded report into pornography.

Lord Longford invited Sir Jimmy Savile, the Bishop of Leicester and Cliff Richard to join him on a wide-ranging tour of sex industry establishments, including strip clubs in Copenhagen.

The Longford Report, in 1972, was a best-seller.

It contained a long account of sex and sadism in a boys' boarding school:

‘Sometimes the prefects did a lot of the whipping; at other times they made the third-year boys do it as well, or the second-year boys whip the first years and the first years whip each other.’

Moors Murderer Myra Hindley, 60, reportedly died in a hospital in 2002.

No family members attended her 'hasty' cremation service.

At the inquest there were no protesters, friends or relatives.

Her medical records were filed under a false name: Christine Charlton.

Her death certificate has never been published

Reportedly:

"A primary school nurse was driving through a country lane about six weeks after Myra Hindley was supposedly pronounced dead. It was night time and the nurse’s car was suddenly hit in the back by another vehicle.

"The woman driver who hit her got out of her car and came to talk to the nurse.

"The nurse looked carefully, recognised the woman as Myra Hindley and said: 'Oh my God you’re Myra Hindley.'

"The woman burst into tears and replied 'you can’t say that, you can’t say that' and drove off hurriedly.

"The nurse however, noted the registration number of the car and upon returning home called the police. She recounted what had happened, telling them that it was 'Myra Hindley' at the wheel of the other car.

"The police visited the nurse the following day but rather than assist her with noting an accident, they scared and intimidated her.

"They asked her to withdraw the accident claim and report, and suggested instead that the incident had 'never happened'.

"The primary school nurse was just a normal, law-abiding person and by now she was very scared although still certain of her facts - that even though Myra Hindley was believed by the world to be dead - it had been her driving the car that had hit her.

"Regardless of her story, the police continued to intimidate the nurse and she was frightened into taking any further action.

"However, unknown to the police, the nurse had reported the incident to a friend of the family who had in turn passed it on to a school friend who was a local journalist.

"The journalist took the story to a major tabloid paper who was at first very interested but the following day told his fellow journalist that the story of Hindley being alive 'had to be buried'.

Friends in high places.

"Within a day or so, orders from 'the top' were given to publish a story on how the 'ashes of Myra Hindley had been found.'

"That story made all the papers in February 2003 and threw many off the scent. Now, to all intent and purposes, Hindley was proven to be dead because her ashes had been found on the very Moors where children had been killed.

"What is interesting is that the car incident happened six miles away from the residence of the priest that converted Myra Hindley to Catholicism and who later committed burial rites on her.

"What is further interesting is the location of a convent very close by. Is Myra Hindley in that convent living a clandestine life away from society?

"Not satisfied with the tale of ashes being discovered and believing the story of the nurse, the journalist called Lord Longford’s son and informed him that the ashes of Myra Hindley had been found. The journalist taped the conversation. The words from Longford’s son echoed in the journalists ears:

" 'If you believe that you believe anything' ".





http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/06/jimmy-savile-child-murderers-top-people.html

goodness
29-06-2013, 12:01 AM
In the msm coverage of this recent Ian Brady trial, which was happening concurrently to all the news items about Savile and related investigations, has there been any mention by the msm about the link between Savile and Brady?



Or for that matter, has there been any mention by the msm in the recent Ian Brady trial coverage of the problems associated with Ashworth - e.g. the Fallon Report which revealed the shocking facts that there was a child pornography ring run out of Ashworth, whilst Ian Brady has been there, that despite reports, the same situation continues, security was basically non-existent, the residents ran the place etc, and that Savile visited Ashworth at least 2x according to officials?

Very telling omissions, if they have not.

troyhand
29-06-2013, 12:55 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7zIwAAAAIBAJ&sjid=AKUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6395,609782
The Montreal Gazette - Jul 13, 1982
MPs furious over the Case of the Man in the Queen's Boudoir
..."I am not against the royal family and neither is Michael. He has had a problem with drugs, but he is a good boy and he wouldn't hurt anyone."
Mother Ivy Fagan said: "This has all been a big surprise and shock for the family. We are waiting to hear news of any more charges against him."
Mrs. Fagan said she has been looking after her son's four children since his arrest.
"I went straight round to his home and got them - they have got to be looked after," she said...
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BkxSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=YHsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2311,3936745
St. Petersburg Times - Jul 13, 1982
Reports of intruder in queen's bedroom stun Great Britain
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IxBGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DtAMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4473,978573
Daily Times - Jul 13, 1982
Intruder 5th To Breach Palace security In Year
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=j_8sAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Xs0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=5400,2036115
The Palm Beach Post - Jul 14, 1982
Royal Intrusion Creates Furor
[Page 5]
Speaking from the family's state-subsidized apartment at Highbury, a London suburb 5 miles north of the palace,...
...The Express and Sun newspaper said Fagan, married and father of six children, had made at least 12 nocturnal visits to the palace.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=AhVZAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aUYNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1788,1606565
The Union Democrat - Jul 19, 1982
What Bedroom Intruder Said to the Queen

...Fagan, father of four children with a history of family and welfare problems, said he talked about his financial difficulties.
...Fagan, 31, had been arrested June 26 on a charge of stabbing his stepson in the neck with a screwdriver. The wound reportedly was not serious.
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MLRcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TlgNAAAAIBAJ&pg=4370,1766981
Gettysburg Times - Jul 20, 1982
Palace Intruder not prosecuted
...In a loud courtroom appearance, Fagan, shoeless in the dock, yelled at his lawyer and claimed to be the son of Nazi war criminal Rudolf Hess. Hess has been imprisoned since he flew from Germany to Britain in 1941.
..

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9TIwAAAAIBAJ&sjid=AKUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2361,2729044
The Montreal Gazette - Jul 20, 1982
Man won't be charged over visit to Queen
...Fagan, an unemployed house painter, was charged with entering the palace as a trespasser and stealing a half-bottle of wine there on June 7.
That visit though, came nearly five weeks before his bedside "chat" with the Queen.
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=QNYcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=sl4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5606,2066497
The Pittsburgh Press - Jul 21, 1982
Report: Queen Risked Her Life :eek:
Queen Elizabeth II pushed an intruder, Michael Fagan, into a closet at Buckingham Palace and held him there with the help of a maid after he had threatened to commit suicide in her bedroom, an official report on the incident said today.
...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=QH8xAAAAIBAJ&sjid=C6UFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5795,1092154
The Montreal Gazette - Sep 24, 1982
..."It was Australian wine...sitting on the filing cabinet. I was just waiting to be captured."
...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WsNQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dNAMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2370,2171648
Daily Times - Sep 24, 1982
Press Fumes At Drifter's Acquittal
...He was acquitted in Old Bailey Central Criminal Court on a charge of stealing a half-bottle of Prince Charles' California wine on June 7 in the first break-in.
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=QfFeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q1QNAAAAIBAJ&pg=2593,4921591
St. Joseph Gazette - Oct 6, 1982
Intruder apologizes to Queen
...On Monday, Judge Miskin acquitted Fagan of assaulting his 14-year-old stepson, Dean Martin :confused:, after the boy failed to testify in the theft trial. Fagan had pleaded innocent to the charges.
...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1061587091
The Glasgow Herald - Jan 26, 1983
Newspaper reports on Fagan 'did not prejudice fair trial'
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=LaQyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Fu8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=5540,3867638
Ottawa Citizen - Jan 20, 1983
Palace intruder free from hospital

After the tribunal's seven-hour private hearing at the hospital, Edwards said Fagan is "going off quietly to lead his own life."

Fagan, who comes from Islington in North London, was taken away in a car by his parents.

discovery77
29-06-2013, 01:27 AM
Bit busy next few days so just popping in with these.

Willie Whitelaw speeches 1982 - worth a look. Includes 26 speeches — Buckingham Palace (Security) Commons July 21, 1982 - and many others throughout year.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/people/mr-william-whitelaw-1/1982

loads of contributions on palace security, eg para here.

"Mr. Whitelaw In my statement on 21 July—[Vol. 28, c. 397–407]—I reported that the commander, A district, has resigned from the Metropolitan Police and that the chief inspector at the palace has been transferred to other duties. Those were the two officers charged with the supervision of the uniformed officers at the palace. I also reported that four officers are subject to disciplinary inquiries and explained that my appellate responsibility precluded further comment from me on their cases."
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/23/buckingham-palace-security#S6CV0028P0_19820723_CWA_29

And here are notes from 1982 Jul 19 home affairs committee about Trestrail/security.
Conservative Party: Gow notes ("Home Affairs Committee") [Whitelaw statements on police, immigration and Queen's bodyguard, Michael Trestrail] [released 2013]
http://fc95d419f4478b3b6e5f-3f71d0fe2b653c4f00f32175760e96e7.r87.cf1.rackcdn.c om/401825D0BF564F168A6B85224E60A540.pdf

oonalu
29-06-2013, 01:28 AM
There are a number of factors which combine to make James Rusbridger a suitable subject for inclusion in Wikispooks. They include:

His status as an alleged ex-MI6 operative
His later sustained and acerbic criticism of the Official Secrets Act and the Security and Intelligence services (over 1,000 letter to national newspaper editors)
The bizarre circumstances of his death which, in similar fashion to that of Stephen Milligan, eclipsed rational inquiry and arguably resulted in a premature 'case-closed' consensus.
At the time of his death he was reported to be working on a book about the Royal Family, drafts and notes for which have never been made public.
Taken together, the probability of deep political shenanigans is high.





Rusbridger was found hanging from a beam in his loft wearing a diving suit at Jasmin cottage, his home on Bodmin Moor, Cornwall in February 1994. He was dressed in a green protective suit for use in nuclear, biological or chemical warfare, green overalls, a black plastic mackintosh and thick rubber gloves. His face was covered by a gas mask and he was also wearing a sou'wester. His body was suspended from two ropes, attached to shackles fastened to a piece of wood across the open loft hatch, and was surrounded by pictures of men and mainly black women in bondage. Consultant pathologist Dr Yasai Sivathondan said he died from asphyxia due to hanging "in keeping with a form of sexual strangulation".





http://wikispooks.com/wiki/James_Rusbridger

oonalu
29-06-2013, 01:33 AM
Mrs Moyle believes her son was murdered by a contact, but that the intelligence community conspired to make his death look self-inflicted


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139799/Sex-spies-seven-suspicious-deaths-The-murky-waters-intelligence-world--coincidence-conspiracy.html#ixzz2XYprxlmT
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oonalu
29-06-2013, 01:39 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-bolt-from-the-blue-stephen-castle-and-nick-cohen-on-the-events-surrounding-the-sudden-death-of-stephen-milligan-1393847.html

oonalu
29-06-2013, 01:44 AM
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-109822209.html?key=01-42160D517E1914601B08001D06674B36254D35463B78700E73 0E0B60641A617F1371193F





Fashanu, you see, claimed to score regularly at Westminster and was certainly often to be seen hanging around the penalty area of Parliament's 'Central Lobby' where the tourists, star-struck groupies and constituents with a grievance congest.









Fallen football idol Fashanu may have taken the mystery of a Tory MP's death with him to the grave.

Tormented Stephen Milligan made desperate calls to the star hours before he died in a bondage ritual.

But according to Fashanu's former security guard Bobby Munro, Fashanu refused to take the phone calls at his Edinburgh flat.

The following day, Milligan, 45, was found with an electric flex twisted round his neck.

He was wearing ladies' stockings and had a bin bag over his head.

Bobby, 24, of Edinburgh, added: "I think Fashanu knew more about Milligan than he admitted."

Detectives flew from London to interview Fashanu after …




http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-60566423.html?key=01-42160D517E1E146C150C061D05224E263C4D3C437779710F72 0E0B61651A617F137155

discovery77
29-06-2013, 01:52 AM
Commander Trestrail

HC Deb 30 July 1982 vol 28 cc779-80W 779W
§Mr. Arthur Lewis asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why it was at a late date in his appointment as Queen's police officer that former Commander Trestrail was positively vetted.
§Mr. Whitelaw At the time of Commander Trestrail's appointment the post was not included among those judged by the Metropolitan Police to meet the criterion for positive vetting. During a recent general review of posts they took a different view. The task of analysing what happened and making recommendations as to the future now falls to Lord Bridge.780W
§Mr. Arthur Lewis asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will place before Lord Bridge who is to examine matters connected with the resignation of ex-Commander Trestrail all communications made to him in his official position in connection with this matter, including those from hon. Members.
§Mr. Whitelaw I shall place all communications before Lord Bridge which are relevant to his inquiry. In this context I shall pass on documents at the request of hon. Members.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/30/commander-trestrail#S6CV0028P0_19820730_CWA_362

Barry Prudom

HC Deb 13 July 1982 vol 27 c320W 320W
§Mr. McMahon asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will call for a report from the chief constable of North Yorkshire as to how many police officers of all ranks in the vicinity of St. Mary's Church, Malton, were armed when the fugitive Barry Prudom was shot dead.
§Mr. Whitelaw I understand from the chief constable that the fatal shooting of Barry Prudom took place in the vicinity of the Malton sports and tennis club. Fourteen armed police officers—1 chief inspector, 1 inspector, 2 sergeants, and 10 constables—were in the grounds of the club. A further 47 armed officers—1 chief inspector, 2 inspectors, 6 sergeants, and 38 constables—were guarding the perimeter of the grounds. At that time no armed officers were near St. Mary's Church, which is about half a mile away.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/13/barry-prudom#S6CV0027P0_19820713_CWA_75

oonalu
29-06-2013, 02:11 AM
The Diplomatic Protection Group (SO6) provides protection for foreign missions in London, including protecting diplomatic staff, embassies, ambassadorial residences, and visiting heads of state, heads of government, and ministers.
In the media [edit]

Because of their role in protection of high profile persons, the Protection Command attracts media attention:
In 1994, an officer from the command shot himself in the leg during target practice.[6]
In 2000, an officer negligently discharged his weapon aboard the royal train while assigned to protect Elizabeth II and the Duke of Edinburgh.[6]
In 2009, allegations were made in court by the barrister representing a former Royalty Protection officer facing charges of fraud. The allegations suggested that officers had acted inappropriately within Buckingham Palace. None of the allegations was substantiated, the barrister withdrew from the court case prior to its end and the former officer making the allegations was subsequently convicted of fraud.[7][8]
In 2011, an officer was suspended, and subsequently dismissed, over allegations that he had an affair with his protectee's wife[9]
In 2012, it was reported that Prince Harry's protection whilst abroad in Los Angeles had been "amateurish" as they allowed nude photos of the prince to be taken, with one officer's sole preventative measure being to say, "Awww, come on ... no photos."[10]
In 2012, a Royalty Protection Officer was investigated for negligently discharging his weapon into the floor of his car outside the Anglesey home of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
In February 2013 an officer was found dead from a gunshot wound in a property on King's Terrace in Camden.[11]








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Police_Officer#Royalty_Protection

lurker
29-06-2013, 03:57 AM
@sweetcheeks

Did Tom Watson say anything about the possibility of finding the missing dossiers ?

goodness
29-06-2013, 05:09 AM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2013/6/28/1372415907042/Coulson-and-Brooks-lose-c-008.jpg

Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brooks fail to get phone-hacking cases dropped

Former News International boss and David Cameron's former spin doctor go to court of appeal in bid to halt prosecutions


guardian.co.uk, Friday 28 June 2013 09.17 EDT

Rebekah Brooks, the former chief executive of News International, and Andy Coulson, David Cameron's former spin doctor, have lost a last ditch attempt to get their prosecution over alleged phone hacking dropped.

The court of appeal on Friday morning made the ruling after Coulson sought to have the hacking case against him removed on the grounds that the law did not extend to voicemails that had already been listened to.

The case was brought by Coulson, but the four other defendants in the Operation Weeting trial were joined in the judgment because it would affect all cases, the court of appeal ruled.

Lord Judge, the lord chief justice, and two other judges, dismissed the appeal which will affect Brooks, Coulson and three others – former News of the World news editor Ian Edmondson, former senior reporter James Weatherup and the paper's former managing editor Stuart Kuttner.

They are all due to stand trial in September for alleged phone hacking and all five pleaded not guilty to the charges earlier this month.

Daniel Morgan family claim judicial inquiry refused because of Andy Coulson links
23 Oct 2011 00:00

THE brother of a murdered private investigator claims a judicial inquiry into his death was refused because Andy Coulson’s links to the case could embarrass Downing Street.

THE brother of a murdered private investigator claims a judicial inquiry into his death was refused because Andy Coulson’s links to the case could embarrass Downing Street.

Alastair Morgan is convinced the government fear any investigation into his brother Daniel’s murder would expose the links between David Cameron’s former communications boss and Jonathan Rees – one of the suspects in the private eye’s slaying.

Mr Rees was employed by Coulson at the News of the World after being released from a seven-year prison sentence for conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

The investigator had been paid to extract information from corrupt Met cops.

“What [Home Secretary] Theresa May’s really frightened of is the links between Jonathan Rees and Andrew Coulson,” said Alastair.

“I think she would like to save the government the embarrassment before preserving the integrity of our police.”

The Met has already admitted corruption was a “debilitating factor” in Britain’s longest-running murder probe.

And the News of the World was caught spying on the detective leading the case – while he in turn was investigating Rees.

No-one has ever been convicted of killing the private eye, originally from Cwmbran.

Daniel Morgan was murdered in the car park of the Golden Lion pub in Sydenham, south-east London, in March 1987.

The 37-year-old, a married dad of two, was found with an axe in his head.

There have so far been five failed investigations into his death. No-one has ever faced trial.

Five people were arrested in 2008, but two, including a former detective accused of perverting the course of justice, were discharged after a string of supergrasses was discredited.

The Crown Prosecution Service has since dropped the case against the other three people.

“I don’t think Theresa May has any real grasp [of the case],” Alastair said.

“It is either that or there is concern over what a judicial inquiry could reveal.”

Coulson was arrested in July over allegations he knew about phone hacking and bribing police officers.

Daniel’s mother, Isobel Hulsmann, said the Home Office decision to reject a judicial inquiry into her son’s death was “outrageous.”

This week, she travelled from her home in Hay-on-Wye to see the Home Secretary but Mrs May was too busy.

But when she got back to Wales, there was a message on her answering machine.

She said: “There was a message at 4.49pm from the Home Office, it was the private secretary to Theresa May saying she was very sorry she was unable to see me.

“On Friday, there was another call. It was her private secretary giving me a choice of three dates she can see me.

“I did feel I achieved something by getting to the Home Office and getting my foot in the door and giving the chief security officer a bit of an earache.

“She definitely did not want to have a judicial inquiry. I’m definitely not going to let her off the hook.”

Kit Malthouse, chairman of London’s Metropolitan Police Authority, is keen for an inquiry to unravel the web of corruption that led to the failure of the five investigations.

He wrote twice to Theresa May to make his feelings clear.

But a Home Office spokesman said: “It is deeply regrettable that Daniel Morgan’s killers have not been brought to justice and we understand the strength of feeling this case has caused.

“The Met and the CPS are currently conducting internal investigations into the case and we expect their findings shortly.”

“It would be inappropriate to consider an inquiry until those investigations are conclude


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/daniel-morgan-family-claim-judicial-1806762
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/28/rebekah-brooks-andy-coulson-phone-hacking

goodness
29-06-2013, 05:16 AM
Daniel Morgan was a private investigator who was murdered in Sydenham, south east London, in March 1987. He was said to have been close to exposing important police corruption. His death was the subject of several failed police inquiries and in 2011 was at the centre of allegations concerning the suspect conduct of News of the World journalists. Morgan's unsolved murder has been described as a reminder of the London police culture of corruption and unaccountability.

In June 2011 The Guardian newspaper, calling for a public inquiry into the News of the World phone-hacking scandal, focused its criticism of the parent company News Corporation's handling of accusations of criminality within the organisation on the newspaper's use of Jonathan Rees's investigative services. Rees's activities were described as a "devastating pattern of illegal behaviour" and far exceeding those of any of the other investigators commissioned by News Corporation who used illicit means to target prominent figures. They included unauthorised access to computer data and bank accounts, corruption of police officers and alleged commissioning of burglaries in pursuit of information about targets at the highest level of state and government, including the royal family and the Cabinet, police chief commissioners, governors of the Bank of England, and the intelligence services. The Guardian queried why the Metropolitan Police had chosen to exclude a very large quantity of Rees material from investigation by its Operation Weeting inquiry into phone hacking.[10]




The Daniel Morgan Murder: An Unsolved Mystery of the Murdoch Hacking Scandal
by Peter Jukes May 10, 2013 10:34 AM EDT

On Friday, Britain’s home secretary opened a judge-led public inquiry into the brutal and mysterious 1987 slaying of Daniel Morgan. Peter Jukes talks to Alastair Morgan, who hopes the decades-long cover-up of his brother’s death may finally be revealed.


Campaigning Labour MP Tom Watson, a key figure in exposing the phone hacking scandal through Parliament, believes that the new inquiry—with power to examine all the police documents going back to 1987—could prove historic. “By the end of this process we should know more about a very opaque period in British history when corrupt police, private investigators, and tabloid journalists worked together,” he said. Watson told The Daily Beast he was particularly interested in what happened to the material garnered in the late 1990s concerning “the relationship between Southern Investigations and News of the World.” He hoped there will be a full investigation of what senior officers really knew back then.

Above all, however, Watson wanted to pay tribute to the Morgan family for their often lonely and unheard campaign. Two decades ago Alastair Morgan made solemn promise to his dead brother that he “would not rest” until the corruption was exposed. As the public inquiry gets under away later this year, his pledge may at last be honoured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Morgan_%28private_investigator%29
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/10/the-daniel-morgan-murder-an-unsolved-mystery-of-the-murdoch-hacking-scandal.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/10/the-daniel-morgan-murder-an-unsolved-mystery-of-the-murdoch-hacking-scandal.html

troyhand
29-06-2013, 08:26 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19821125&id=JsJAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=96UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2858,4736499
The Glasgow Herald - Nov 25, 1982
Trestrail 'no threat to palace security'

The Queen last night welcomed the report which found her disgraced personal detective's homosexual activities, which exposed him to the threat of blackmail, had not endangered security.
A statement from Buckingham Palace said the Queen was "pleased that there was no breach of security and that security was not put at risk."
Mr William Whitelaw, the Home Secretary, who set up the inquiry after the resignation of Commander Michael Trestrail, said he accepted Lord Bridge's recommendations. He would "ensure that they are taken forward by the Home Office in consultation of those concerned."
The report found that Mr Trestrail, who became the Queen's personal detective in 1973, "led a secret double life" of promiscuous homosexual activities, which took place mainly when he had been drinking.
One of the homosexuals with whom he had a relationship, the male prostitute Michael Rauch, tried unsuccessfully to blackmail Commander Trestrail two or three years ago.
Although Rauch, whose disclosures to the "Sun" newspaper led to Mr Trestrail's resignation in July, never entered Buckingham Palace, he did once phone Mr Trestrail there, the report says.
But it adds: "There was no breach of security, and in my judgement security was not put at risk." And there was no connection, direct or indirect, between Mr Trestrail and Michael Fagan, the intruder in the Queen's bedroom.
Mr Trestrail came to the door of his modern maisonette in Teddington, Middlesex, yesterday, smartly dressed in a grey double-breasted suit. He now has a full beard, grown since his resignation.
He repeated several times: "I have nothing to say at all - no comment whatsoever."
But his solicitor, Sir David Napley, spoke of Mr Trestrail's "great relief" that there was no security leak, "as indeed he knew to be the case."
Sir David, speaking in Leeds, where he is representing surgeon Richard Arnot in the Helen Smith inquest, described the consequences for Mr Trestrail as "dire."
"He hopes this will be the end of it now as far as he is concerned. It has had a pretty serios effect on him and his family, disrupted the whole of his life and career and I am quite sure nothing can be done to put that right."
Lord Bridge concludes in his 27-page report that the circumstances of Mr Trestrail's appointment to the royalty protection group in 1966 and then as Queen's police officer in 1973 "were in no way unusual."
Throughout Mr Trestrail's police career from October 1952, he was consistently marked highly for his reliability, appearance, demeanor and enthusiasm.
There was no doubt that he was held in the highest regard as a result of his service with Prince Philip. No one doubted his total devotion to duty or unswerving loyalty.
Nor, with a solitary exception, did any one entertain the slightest suspicion of Mr Trestrail's homosexual inclinations.
One policeman, now retired - whom Lord Bridge refers to as "X" - who served with Mr Trestrail at the palace and contacted Scotland Yard after Mr Trestrail's resignation.
He told Lord Bridge that twice he reported to Commander Perkins, the then Queen's police officer, his suspicion that Mr Trestrail was a homosexual. He suspected a relationship with another officer in the group. Officer "Y".
Lord Bridge accepted "X" as a perfectly honest witness, but rejects his suggestion that Commander Perkins simply "brushed the matter aside."
Lord Bridge says that Commander Perkin's reaction was probably the same as his own - that - "X" was unable to give any rational basis for his "gut feeling." Lord Bridge "unhesitatingly" accepted Mr Trestrail's explanation that "Y" was heterosexual and that their close friendship had no homosexual element.
Lord Bridge says it is a "general misapprehension" that because Mr Trestrail's homosexuality was not discovered by positive vetting the procedure cannot have been properly carried out.
Some factors, if the subject is determined to conceal them, may be impossible for the present procedures to uncover, no matter how carefully carried out, he said.
"If a man in a public position leads a secret double life and succeeds, as Trestrail did for so long, in maintaining a total and effective separation between the two sides of his activities, this must present the positive vetting investigator with an almost impossible task."
In this case, the investigating officer, from the Ministry of defence discussed with his superior, in view of Mr Trestrail's bachelor status, the possibility he was a homosexual, and canvassed it in every interview with Mr Trestrail's superiors, referees, and associates.
He was "specifically and emphatically assured" that they had "heard no hint or rumour, nor had any reason from their own observation, to arouse the slightest suspicion of homosexuality."
He had no hesitation in concluding that the field investigation was carried out efficiently and with complete propriety. Failure to discover Mr Trestrail's activities attracted no blame.
Although procedures then operating could be criticized, "different procedures, no matter how rigorous, could not have been expected to discover Trestrail's homosexual activities."
The main criterion for positive vetting of police - "actual or potential access to highly secret intelligence or counter-intelligence information" - is imprecise and should be amended, but positive vettings cannot be infallible.
Mr Trestrail knew Rauch, whom he first picked up near Piccadilly, had two convictions for importuning, but did not know of convictions for blackmail and criminal damage.
Probably two or three years ago Mr Trestrail received a recorded delivery letter from Rauch demanding £2000 under threat of selling his story to a German newspaper. He claimed to have a compromising photograph.
Mr Trestrail told Rauch he would not pay but would take the letter to the police.
"In the event, recognising that it would mean the end of his career, he was unable to find the courage and strength of will to do so.
"He waited for some time in acute fear of disclosure, but when it seemed clear that Rauch did not intend to carry out his threat, Trestrail destroyed the letter.
"He told me in evidence that since the blackmail attempt he had no further contact with Rauch and indeed had engaged in no further homosexual activity. I see no reason to disbelieve this."
Lord Bridge says he took oral evidence from 20 witnesses. including Mr Trestrail himself. But though there were "substantial discrepancies" between statements made by Mr Trestrail and Rauch, Lord Bridge did not seek evidence by Rauch who, because of his character, was an unreliable witness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xi-agPf95M
On the "crucial question" of whether security was risked or breached, Lord Bridge says Mr Trestrail clearly laid himself open to blackmail.
He ran the risk of recognition in any casual encounter, and committed the serious indiscretion of disclosing his identity and position to Rauch and another homosexual.
"Neverthe less, I am fully satisfied that there was no actual breach of security and on the basis of my assessment of Trestrail's character, I find it difficult to envisage circumstances in which any risk to security could have arisen."
If he had been blackmailed to disclose information "or otherwise act in some way which could have been detrimental to the safety or well being of the royal family, everything points to the conclusion that he would have put duty before self-interest and made a full and prompt report of the threat."
He concludes: "Almost without exception, those who knew Commander Trestrail expressed to me their personal regret that his distinguished career should have had to end so unhappily and their sympathy with him in the ordeal to which he was subjected by the singularly unpleasant publicity which the circumstances of his resignation attracted. I share those sentiments."
INSET: No link with Michael Fagan
Lord Bridge says the question of how Michael Fagan got into the Queen's bedroom can have no confident answer. "I am satisfied, however, that the police have made all inquiries it was possible for them to make seeking the answer and can carry the matter no further.
"The search for a rational explanation of Fagan's actons is not assisted by the fact that Fagan is not a rational man.
"One thing is certain. No hint or trace of any link between Trestrail and Fagan has come to light and I am convinced that there was no connection, direct or indirect, between them."


http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19821125&id=JsJAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=96UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2533,4821099
The Glasgow Herald - Nov 25, 1982
PAGE 9
Double life of policeman the queen called "Michael"
COMMANDER Michael Trestrail's devotion to duty and to the royal family won him the highest respect of all who knew him at Buckingham Palace, but no-one even suspected that the Queen's discreet bodyguard led a double life which eventually brought his career to an end.
COMMANDER Michael Trestrail got on so well with the royal household that they called him simply Michael - the first police officer they addressed by his Christian name.
To the rest of the palace staff he was known as "Mr T", a discreet and quiet man who looked on the royal children as the family he never had. Aloof in appearance and impeccable in dress and manners, he was one of the Queen's most devoted servants.
No one suspected that he led a secret double life as a homosexual. In his report on the scandal, published yesterday, Lord Bridge says it is no part of his purpose to satisfy the curiosity of the prurient, giving only details of possible security significance.
Trestrail had been aware of his homosexuality since his teens, but had sought to repress it. His homosexual activity had been spasmodic and infrequent, occurring normally only when he had taken drink and felt unable to control his urge.
Most contacts were with male prostitutes, some with fellow homosexuals and, with two expceptions, all involved only a single homosexual incident with any single individual.
The first exception involved a Spanish visitor from the Canary Islands whom Trestrail picked up in Hyde Park several years ago. They had a few further encounters and exchanged Christmas cards.
"They met more recently, once when Trestrail made a private visit to the Canaries and again when the Spaniard visited England, but there was on these occasions no further homosexual activity betwee them."
The second exception was the male prostitute Michael Rauch, known to Trestrail as Michael Pratt. The acquaintance began by Trestrail picking up Rauch in the Piccadilly area and going to Rauch's flat nearby.
Lord Bridge accepted without hesitation Trestrail's evidence that on every occasion the relationship was simply that of prostitute and paying customer, without emotional involvement.
"At some stage Trestrail disclosed in response to questions from Rauch that he was the Queen's police officer.
"The only other homosexual partner to whom he had made the same disclosure was the Spaniard."
...


OK. So you're saying there was no prostitute he was having an affair with for 14 years, just Piccadilly prostitute Michael Rauch aka Pratt that tried and failed to blackmail him.
There was no dozen visits by Michael Fagan into Buckingham palace. Just the two visits where he drank/stole a half/third bottle of Property of the Environment California Reisling/Australian Rolf Prince Charles' Wine (Oooh. And don't forget the whisky! Yum!), and then nestled up to da Queen on another visit with hearts/flowers/barefeet/ashtray and cut wrists to talk about how things are getting tough for working stiffs.
THERE IS NO, REPEAT!, NO!!!! connection between Michael Trestrail and Michael Rauch, I mean Michael Pratt, WAIT FAGAN! Anyway, nobody knows nothing.
And nobody knows nothing about any guest house near Barnes Commons.
And none of this is connected to Cheltanham and Geoffrey Prime. They would have mentioned there wasn't, if there was.
FORGET all those newpaper reports of the incident in the past. You'll never see them again.


Oh, and it means absolutely nothing that Michael Fagan came from Islington.

troyhand
29-06-2013, 09:08 AM
http://www.scotsman.com/news/peter-ross-couples-leap-at-the-chance-to-say-i-do-at-gretna-green-1-1430663
News Scotsman
Published on 01/03/2008

Peter Ross: Couples leap at the chance to say 'I do' at Gretna Green

My male friends have tended to be Godless, jobless, commitment-phobes, lacking the necessary faith, funds and finer feelings to ask a lass to marry them.

How odd, then, to find myself at 13 marriage ceremonies in one day, but that's the way it is when you spend time in Gretna Green. The small border town has been synonymous with getting hitched for more than 250 years, since a change in English law encouraged teenage couples to elope to Scotland, where they could marry without the permission of their parents.

These days, young people are more likely to flee north into the generous bosom of Alex Salmond in the hope of escaping student debt, but Gretna Green remains a phenomenally popular place to get married. Around one in every six weddings in Scotland happens here. I visit on Friday – February 29, traditionally the date in the leap year on which a woman can propose – and there are no less than 38 weddings taking place at various venues in the town.

The World Famous Old Blacksmith's Shop proclaims itself as such on a large wooden sign. "Famous for runaway weddings since 1754" it says proudly. This small white cottage is where it all began. Couples have been coming here for centuries and marrying over the anvil. In the early days, you would pay anything from a few guineas to a drop of whisky, and an 'anvil priest' would conduct an impromptu service; one of the most famous priests, Joseph Paisley, was a former smuggler who weighed 25 stone, drank two pints of brandy each day, and could straighten a horseshoe with his bare hands. Hardly the Vicar of Dibley.
...
...Today's 13 weddings and two blessings are straightforward affairs, but with around 1,000 weddings each year, it's inevitable that the Old Blacksmith's Shop has its share of unorthodox ceremonies. One couple brought their pet dogs as witnesses, though humans had to step in and sign the legal documents. On another occasion, a supergrass from Northern Ireland married here, and was bundled out a side entrance by minders while the piper went out the main exit as a decoy.

A book of photographs of former weddings bears witness to the range of different themed weddings that have taken place here everything from Tyneside line-dancers to goths from Glasgow.

Jim Henderson, a friendly 66-year-old with tartan trousers and eyebrows like Nike swooshes, is the senior guide. He points to a photo of a goth wedding in which the well-built bride is wearing fishnet stockings and a red PVC dress. "I had a heart attack a week after that," he says.

In another photograph, Jimmy Savile is standing alone and jubilant at the anvil in a string vest and trackie bottoms. He has taken the trouble to come back and sign the picture, writing "Still single – thank God!!!" down one side.

craftyhen
29-06-2013, 09:13 AM
On 9 July 1982, a man later identified as Michael Fagan broke into the private apartments at Buckingham Palace, where he spent ten minutes chatting to Queen Elizabeth II in her bedroom until he was apprehended by police and palace guards. The Home Secretary, William Whitelaw, sent his Permanent Secretary to ask McNee to take responsibility for the incident and resign — a request McNee declined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_McNee

Sir David Blackstock McNee, QPM (born 23 March 1925) was Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police from 1977 to 1982.

McNee’s Law: The Memoirs of Sir David McNee by David McNee
Collins, 256 pp, November 1983, ISBN 0 00 217007 8
In Chapter One (‘Early Life’), we find McNee attending a reception at Scotland Yard arranged by the then retiring Commissioner in order to introduce him as the new ‘Commissioner designate’ to some of his future colleagues. On this occasion McNee is said to have met the late Lord Mountbatten for the first time, and Mountbatten is quoted as claiming that he himself had ‘got the job’ of Metropolitan Commissioner for McNee.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v06/n06/barbara-wootton/real-things

troyhand
29-06-2013, 09:15 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2313-2004Jun24.html
Washington Post - Friday, June 25, 2004
Spotlight - The Lord of the Trance

YOU WON'T FIND DJ Tiesto jumping up and down shouting, "I'm number one! I'm number one!," even though the world's top-ranked DJ has much to crow about.
...
Things change, of course, though perhaps not as quickly as you'd imagine. For instance, when Tiesto won his first No. 1 DJ award, it was presented to him by Sir Jimmy Saville, a British eccentric he'd never heard of before. What Tiesto learned was that Saville, the first host of England's legendary "Top of the Pops" television program, was also the world's first club DJ and the first to mix two records together -- back in the early '40s!

Saville did it in 1943 in the upstairs room of a pub in Otley, West Yorkshire, after having an epiphany that people might be willing to dance to records (big-band swing was the choice at the time). A few years later, looking to cut down on time gaps between playing records on a single turntable, Saville put two of them together. Given the limited technology at the time, his mixing skills were likely minimal, and Saville surely could never have imagined the kind of show Tiesto put together in that soccer stadium 60 years on, or the myriad opportunities afforded the world's top DJ.

troyhand
29-06-2013, 09:21 AM
Sir David Blackstock McNee, QPM (born 23 March 1925) was Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police from 1977 to 1982.

McNee’s Law: The Memoirs of Sir David McNee by David McNee
Collins, 256 pp, November 1983, ISBN 0 00 217007 8
In Chapter One (‘Early Life’), we find McNee attending a reception at Scotland Yard arranged by the then retiring Commissioner in order to introduce him as the new ‘Commissioner designate’ to some of his future colleagues. On this occasion McNee is said to have met the late Lord Mountbatten for the first time, and Mountbatten is quoted as claiming that he himself had ‘got the job’ of Metropolitan Commissioner for McNee.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v06/n06/barbara-wootton/real-things


Woah! Great find! No wonder he was ready to retire when this was hitting the fan. :D

troyhand
29-06-2013, 09:49 AM
http://lubbockonline.com/news/123196/mccartne.htm

McCartney becomes first Beatle dubbed knight

...It came roughly three decades after the Beatles' breakup, in 1970, which was also about the time people here started wondering when John, Paul, George or Ringo would become Sir John, Sir Paul, Sir George or Sir Ringo, receiving the title bestowed on hundreds of lesser souls ranging from singer Cliff Richard to Beatles producer George Martin to any number of political hacks and dedicated but faceless bureaucrats.

Even McCartney himself had begun to wonder about it. "There's a guy who's a deejay called Jimmy Savile,'' he told a Newsweek interviewer last year. "There's Andrew Lloyd Webber. All these people are sirs. Sir Cliff Richard. But you can't sit around saying, `God, I wish they'd make me a sir.' ''

troyhand
29-06-2013, 10:00 AM
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/2193768.charity_founder_just_knew_he_could_help_or phanage/
The Northern Echo - 14th April 2008
A FORMER RAF corporal who was awarded an MBE for his charity work has died at the age of 43.
After reading about the conditions in a Romanian orphanage, Paul McGinn set up a charity to help the children.
He arranged transport, raised money, and delivered food, medicine and cleaning products to an orphanage in Oradea and equipment to a nearby hospital.
Mr McGinn, who was awarded the MBE in 2000, suffered a heart attack at home in Darlington, in the early hours of last Wednesday.
...Mrs McGinn, 50, has received a message of condolence from Sir Jimmy Savile, a fundraiser for the Stoke Mandeville hospital, in Buckinghamshire.
...Mr McGinn was born in Lurgan, in Northern Ireland, and was raised in Armagh, the youngest of eight children.
Mr McGinn served in the Falklands, Bosnia, the Gulf and Canada before retiring to Darlington, four years ago. He then worked for Petit Forestier, in Durham.
...
http://www.petitforestier.co.uk/
Refrigerated van rental, refrigerated truck rental, Olympic games

troyhand
29-06-2013, 10:19 AM
http://www.clicklancashire.com/clocked/celeb-stories/1210773-me-and-sir-jimmy-saville.html
by Jeanette Smith. Published Thu 03 Nov 2011

The late lamented Jimmy Savile was an enigma. No-one seemed to know the ‘real’ ‘hello guys and gals’ man of Top of the Pops fame. But I was fortunate to have had a brief insight into his magic.
I met him whilst Editor of the Maghull Times in the late 70s. He was judging the Caged Bird Society show at Ashworth Hospital – where Ian Brady is still caged for his murder of children in Manchester, burying them on nearby Saddleworth Moors.
I was invited into this secure environment to report on the proceedings for the local paper. The department in the hospital catered for what was then non-politically called ‘low grade’ patients, meaning people who had not necessarily done anything criminal, but who could not manage mentally to look after themselves.
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Repost:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ySpWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hOQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3175,211699
The Sydney Morning Herald - Oct 1, 1987
Rehabilitation
A British Conservative MP has called for an inquiry into allegations that a "sexy cabaret act" performed for inmates at a top-security hospital for the criminally insane.
Geoffrey Dickens told reporters yesterday that the cabaret act, which he described as "a group of attractive girls in skimpy costumes," had recently been invited to sing and dance during a concert at Park Lane Hospital in Liverpool. He said that he had received information from inside the hospital that the performance had aroused some of the inmates. Asked what, exactly, the girls were supposed to have been doing on stage, Mr Dickens replied: "I can assure you that they weren't singing hymns."

troyhand
29-06-2013, 11:28 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NwE-AAAAIBAJ&sjid=bEkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3084,3259725
The Glasgow Herald - Jul 20, 1982
Pressure mounts for McNee to resign

The resignation of Commander Trestrail may now prompt increased demands for the resignation of Sir David McKee as Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police - only months before he was due to relinquish his post.
Yesterday's admitted homosexual relationship between Commander Trestrail and a prostitute has astonished the Palace, Scotland Yard, and the House of Commons.
This latest scandal was not brought to light through the exhaustive police inquiries following the break-in to the Queen's bedchamber, but through an approach made to the Sun newspaper.
As it stood, the investigation by Assistant Commissioner John Dellow into Palace security was damning. He declared that it was nothing short of incompetent. However, his inquiry did not uncover the fact that the Queen's personal bodyguard - somebody who has undergone positive vetting by Britain's security forces - has been involved in a homosexual relationship.
Over the weekend an exasperated Palace official - having been told of the Sun's story - passed on this latest unexpected piece of scandal to the Home Office. Officials on duty there, however, felt it was not of sufficient importance to place this information before the Minister until yesterday morning.
Commander Trestrail's resignation was accepted without hesitation.
The commander of 'A' district responsible for Palace security - Mr Victor Lashbrook, the holder of the Queen's Police Medal - has been transferred to other duties. But last night, as Scotland Yard senior police officers awaited the first edition of the Sun newspaper, it was believed that the scandal had gone too far for the buck to stop at his level. It was being widely forecast that Sir David McNee must now resign.
He might have escaped backbench Tory demands for his resignation had Mr Dellow's investigation been conclusive and brought to light all the shortcomings in Buckingham Palace security, but not when other obvious security dangers were missed.
MPs did not miss the fact that security vetting has again apparently failed. They are already incensed over the Cheltenham alleged "leaks" which the Prime Minister will face questions on today.
Last night in Whitehall questions were being asked along the ines of: "Just how positive is 'positive vetting' by our security forces?"
"Just how alert are our security agencies to identifying security weaknesses?"
The security lapses of Buckingham Palace were further highlighted when it became clear yesterday that Michael Fagan was not to be charged with the incident which led to him becoming front page headlines throughout the world.
Commander Trestrail joined the Metropolitan Police Force on October 20, 1952, after serving for a year in the Royal Air Force. He joined the Royalty Protection Group, as it then was, as an inspector in July, 1966, as Prince Philip's bodyguard. He became the Queen's detective in July, 1973, succeeding Sir Edward Perkins.
The job would have led to an inevitable knighthood, instead of disgrace for Commander Trestrail.
The Queen's new bodyguard is Superintendent Christopher Hagan, 37. Born in Warwickshire, he joined the Metropolitan Police Force in 1963. Until his weekend promotion he, too, was the bodyguard of the Duke of Edinburgh.
Until his resignation Commander Trestrail was responsible for the police patrols of Buckingham Palace and its grounds and also head of Scotland Yard's "A1" Royal Protection Squad. He was also responsible for the armed detectives responsible for the safety of the other members of the Royal Family. He had his own office within Buckingham Palace.
The son of a greengrocer in Redruth, Cornwall, Mr Trestrail was not immediately available for comment last night.
Continued Page 3
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Continued from Page 1
Pressure grows for McNee to quit
Commander Trestrail got on so well with the Royal Household that they called him simply Michael, the first officer they addressed by his Christian name, a close friend claimed last night.
To the rest of the Palace staff he was known as "Mr T." a discreet quiet man , liked by everyone, who looked on the Royal children as the family he had never had.
"None of the powers-that-be had an inkling he was a homosexual. No one was aware that his homosexuality had laid him open to blackmail and made him a high security risk," said the friend.
"I don't think his family knew of his leanings. I don't think he ever told them and I can't think how they could ever have found out."
Mr Trestrail's mother is dead, but his father is still alive and he is believed to have a sister living in London.
The friend said Mr Trestrail would not have brought his male companion to his small Palace flat.
"It would have been spotted in a moment. He was naturally a very discreet man and, aware as he was of his vulnerability, would never have compromised his position like that."
Instead the two would go either to Mr Trestrail's Teddington flat or to his companion's home.
His hard work and diligence obtained him the highest position of trust in the land, as the Cornishman passed selection board after selection board on his way to the top.
To friends and colleagues, he was extremely hard-working, totally professional and devoted to the Queen and her family.
"He seemed to work 24 hours-a-day. He had no hobbies, no pastimes, nothing but his job. He devoted himself 100% to protecting the Queen, and did it well. It was his life's work," said the friend.
"Everyone admired his professionalism in dealing with security matters and his administrative skills. He was very well liked by everyone.
The friend said Mr Trestrail was "as pleased as punch" when he got his first Palace job 16 years ago and over the years grew increasingly fond of the Queen's four children.
"He treated them almost as the family he never had. He was devoted to them, but always respectful," he said.
A dapper man with the air of a successful headmaster, Commander Trestrail had a habit of walking with his hands clasped in front of him - in contrast to the Duke of Edinburgh's stance of hands clasped behind.
He quickly blended into the Royal Household, adopting many of their attitudes.
In the Royal Enclosure at Ascot, resplendent in top hat and tails, he looked more like a private secretary than a police officer. On many occasions he was mistaken for one of the official entourage.
The 50-year-old bachelor was always close to the Queen on her engagements in Britain and on her tours around the world.
He was head of A1, the Metropolitan Police section which provides the Palace police, believed to number about 24 men, and bodyguards for individual members of the Royal family.
Commander Trestrail seemed to combine the roles of policeman and personal friend as he quietly followed the Queen's mood and anticipated her every need through long hours of public duty.
In the days following the intrusion into the Queen's bedroom, Palace aides have been at pains to point out that it was not the Commander's responsibility to guarantee the Queen's safety inside the Palace.
He was the Queen's personal bodyguard, they stressed, and his role ended at her own front door.
The Palace establishment was rocked by the news of his resignation "for personal reasons" and the Queen herself must have been saddened to lose such an old friend.
One aide said: "We are all deeply shocked and very sad."
But Palace sources stressed that the commander's resignation was "quite separate" from the matter of the recent intrusion into the Queen's bedroom.
Commander Trestrail was made an MVO (Member of the Victorian Order) at the end of 1977. The MVO is the Queen's personal award and was given to the commander in her Jubilee Year.

troyhand
29-06-2013, 12:07 PM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NwE-AAAAIBAJ&sjid=bEkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4929,3328981
The Glasgow Herald - Jul 20, 1982

Is it the end after five crisis years?
WARNING of the dangers facing royalty, Sir David McNee, Metropolitan Police Commissioner and the man responsible for the royal family's security, indicated one year ago that neither the Queen or her family could be given 100% protection.
Royal security, Sir David continued, was constantly under review and adjustments were being made in the light of experience.
Sir David made these prophetic utterances after the publication of the Metropolitan Police report for 1980. He was referring to the previous weekend's incident in The Mall when 17-year-old Marcus Serjeant fired blank shots at the Queen.
Even in his darkest moments of foreboding about royal security, he could never have imagined the Buckingham Palace security blunders and their ramifications constituting such an "experience."
It is a horrible irony that because of the Palace intruder's brief, uninvited sojourn with the Queen in her bedroom, Sir David now finds himself under intense pressure to resign barely three months before he retires from Britain's top police job.
After five and a half years as Commissioner, he is due to relinquish control of 25,500 officers and an annual budget of 717m in October.
Among these officers are the Policemen whose "incompetence" (the Dellow report's damning indictment) allowed the intruder to breach royal security with such astonishing ease.
In addition to yesterday's resignation, one policeman has been suspended and others are sure to follow suit.
Sir David is a strong man who believes in being judged by his actions rather than his words. The question now gnawing at is mind as he sits behind his desk at New Scotland Yard in Victoria Street, must be - where does the buck stop with this one?
At this desk is the unequivocal answer from a growing body of opinion. Sir David is ultimately responsible for implementing Government policy on royal security, and he has failed, the argument goes.
Facing up to such pressures is not a new experience for Sir David. After he stunned Scotland Yard in March with the announcement that he was quitting, he is reported to have told a colleague: "There is a limit to the amount of pressure that can be absorbed in a job like this."
In his time, in the most demanding police job in the country, he has successfully ridden waves of crises that would have swamped lesser men.
They began as soon as he moved to London after 31 years as a policeman in Glasgow and Dunbartonshire. He arrived in the capital with a reputation as a disciplinarian.
He was, after all, the Hammer. The description was coined by a sub-editor who used it in a heading for a story about a gang of Glasgow racketeers who were brought to book by Sir David.
His first test in London was the ugly Grunwick picket dispute. He was criticized by fellow and former London police officers who accused him of doing too little, too late to prevent the scenes of violence which followed the original dispute.
Also in his first year in London, he bowed to the paramountcy of free speech and allowed the National Front to march through the racially sensitive borough of Lewisham. The march ended in riot.
Since then, Sir David has given the protection of lives and property the utmost priority. On several occasions he has asked the Home Secretary to ban marches in London.
A potentially explosive scene was averted when William Whitelaw agreed to a ban which, again, stopped the National Front from taking to the streets in Deptford, where 13 black teenagers died in a fire during an all-night party.
What happened to cause the fire has never fully emerged. Sir David's police, and their powers of detection, have been criticized for failing to make arrests in connection with the blaze.
He came under fire again in 1979 when a New Zealand teacher, Blair Peach, died amid accusations of police brutality during the Southall riots. His death was put down to "misadventure," but the threat of legal proceedings still hangs over police heads.
Sir David survived a more sever test of his character and policing methods in the wake of last year's Brixton riots, when the area's black community blamed the police's stop and search "Swamp 81" exercise for causing the disturbances.
Black leaders cited the "sus" laws which they said young policemen were using to harass them. Sir David has said he is in favour of the laws, which allowed police to step in merely on suspicion. They have been repealed.
Lord Scarman's criticism of the police in the lead up to the riots was limited to blaming them for moving too quickly in and out of areas insensitively.
Three years ago Sir David said he could never eliminate corruption from the metropolitan police. All he could hope to do was reduce it and keep it at its lowest level.
Sir David's sternest test before this latest crisis came last year on the publication of the most recent crime figures for London.
With Government approval, Sir David chose to provide a racial breakdown for a limited number of crimes, a decision which caused an outrage.
However, the statistic that 71 serious crimes were committed in the capital every hour caused greater concern, particularly among Conservative MPs, who had been Sir David's staunchest defenders.
The "clean-up" rate for these crimes has also fallen to 16%, its lowest level for 10 years. Those who supported Sir David's successful campaign to improve police conditions - perhaps his biggest success in the job - now argued that it was time for him to go.
Sir David said when he became Commissioner: "I want to see the streets of London a safer place for everyone. I hope the public and indeed the Government will acknowledge the growing significance of police work and recognize the significance of the protective profile of the London beat bobby."
Judging by the latest figures, the streets of London are not safer, so using that argument Sir David has failed.
Throughout his command he has continually stressed the crucial role of the beat bobby in fighting crime. Now his intentions of seeing out the remaining three months have been jeopardised by the total absence of the bobby's traditional qualitities of dogged vigilance exhibited by his "complacent" officers at Buckingham Palace.
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BS piece, but lots of info about him

goodness
29-06-2013, 01:08 PM
Thursday, 27 June 2013
Man of ‘Saturn’, Man of El - son of the Gods

I recently watched the latest edition of the age old Superman story ‘Man of Steel’ and wasn’t surprised to encounter themes that relate to world domination and the take-over of Earth by an outside force that yet again is looking to rescue its own source of power, its ‘own world’ by trashing another planet, in this case our home.

First a brief history
The original story of Superman created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, both from Jewish migrant families, tells of an alien child (a god) born to Earth from a distant planet called Krypton. In fact the original ideas for the story were more about the ‘reign of the Superman’ from the comic No connection to the German Nazi obsession for ‘the Supermen’ I am sure? Of course long before Superman was a comic book concept, the 'arch black magician' Aleister Crowley was writing about ‘Supermen’ in 1917 in his work Moon Child. Just like Superman, Crowley seemed to get all over the world at the turn of the 20th Centruy. The character Lex Luthor looks a bit Crowley-like.

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According to the story Superman, or Kal-El, was born on the planet Krypton, before being rocketed to Earth as an infant by his scientist/Leader father Jor-El, moments before Krypton's destruction. The latest depiction of Jor–El and Krypton’s high council are visually symbolic of the Ruling El-ite that we find on ancient Earth, from Sumeria to Egypt and beyond. The regalia and thrones of the High elders of Krypton are no doubt inspired by the imagery and history of the ancient El-ite bloodlines on Earth.


Krypton and the Genesis Chamber
The film starts on the Planet Krypton, where Lara LorVan, the wife of Jor-El (Ayelet Zurer) has just given birth to a son. She and her husband have birthed their son naturally, in violation of the basic laws of the planet, where babies are to be bred through genetic engineering with a planetary 'Codex' that imprints just what a person's place in life is to be (leader, scientist, general, etc). Mmm, sounds like they wrote the script for a future Earth? Similar themes can be found in the Matrix movie where machines harvest humans as an energy source and how humanity is kept in illusion – the Matrix. Here we have the connections to the obsession in our world with genetic purity, trans-humanism and the ‘Brave New World’ theme that speaks of an El-ite’s desire to take over planet Earth (humanity). The gas Krypton comes form the Greek word ‘Kryptos’ meaning ‘the hidden one’ and I am sure this is significant in terms of the symbolism and science relating to Earth's atmosphere and how it is ‘being changed’ today.


The Genesis chamber and the embryonic pods in the Matrix movies (same symbolism) and speaks of 'machines' that create life forms to suit the' machine mind'.

After the birth of his son, Jor-El appears before the Kryptonian Leaders, pleading with them to allow him to save the planet's Codex, and to search beyond Krypton for their survival. However, even with destruction imminent, the council will not abandon its ways. They sound like our ‘Councils’ and governments on Earth.

In the movie the council is set upon by General Zod, intending to take control of the planet. Though Jor-El does agree the Council's decisions are not right, he refuses to join Zod's coup. Zod orders Jor-El to be arrested, but Jor-El escapes fleeing to the planet's birthing chamber. The thought of any baby being ‘popped in a pod’ an rocketed to another planet is quite grotesque in my view, but on Earth we have some very odd baby carrying vehicles which are on show to the public at the El-ite mansion of the Duke and Dutchess of Devonshire in England. A Saturn-like snake push chair and the Planet Krypton-like sledge, which of course would have been pulled by the ‘Nanny’ goat. You can’t make this stuff up.

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very odd baby carrying vehicles which are on show to the public at the El-ite mansion of the Duke and Dutchess of Devonshire in England. A Saturn-like snake push chair and the Planet Krypton-like sledge, which of course would have been pulled by the ‘Nanny’ goat

After stealing the Codex from the chamber, Jor-El races back to his home, where his wife Lara has found a planet to send their baby to. Though Lara is sad at the loss of their child, Jor-El claims he will live his life in a new way: free of the limitations imposed by Kryptonians. Their son, Kal-El will be able to choose his way in life. As they prepare to launch the pod containing their Kal-El, Zod and his crew enter their residence, demanding that Jor-El hand over the Genesis Codex. Jor-El claims it is in the pod with his son. Zod and Jor-El fight, before Jor-El is killed. In the fight, Lara engages the pod's engines, and it shoots into the sky as the planet Krypton breaks apart.


Angered that Jor-El and his wife have doomed the Kryptonian race with the removal of the Codex, Zod orders his followers to shoot down the pod. However, his orders are suddenly cancelled when Kryptonian security ships appear, arresting them to face charges of treason. As punishment, General Zod and his followers are banished to ‘The Phantom Zone’, a non-physical prison, for their attempted coup.

The Phantom zone is symbolic of the ‘in between worlds’ talked about by many shamanic cultures and is the source of reference for what various religions call the ‘demons’, Jinn or the Archons. Interestingly, the original 1980’s Superman 2 movie showed Zod and his commanders encased in a phantom ‘Square’, but in Man of Steel they are encased in ice with both versions combined to suggest that they have been ‘held in a freeze vibration’ just beyond the ‘solid’ 3 Dimensional world. Both fire and ice symbolism can be attributed to the Archons and the many ‘trickster gods’ found in ancient mythology. Loki is but one example.

The Gnostics referred to the physical 5 sense world as ‘nous’ and made a clear distinction between that and ‘pneuma’, the eternal spirit or what can be called Consciousness (Awareness). In short, Gnostics said that the way to escape illusory reality was through self-realisation secured through Gnosis, or hidden spiritual knowledge. The Gnostics also talked about the Bythos or ‘Void’, the ‘primal ground’ that existed before our world was created. I would suggest that the reference to the Phantom zone in the Superman story relates to an aspect of the Gnostic teachings of Bythos and the 'worlds within worlds.'


A Star is Born on Earth
Many worlds away, the Krypton Genesis pod carrying Kal-El rockets into Earth's atmosphere, like a comet and touching down near Smallville, Kansas. Here we see in all versions of the story the symbolic theme of the arrival of a god (the son of El) coming to Earth.

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In Gnostic texts the Archons serve the ‘Demiurge’ who is a fake ‘god’ that created our ‘physical’ or material reality as we perceive it. The Demiurge is also known in the Gnostic texts as the ‘Lord Archon’ and they quote him as saying: ‘Come let us create a man according to the image of God and according to our likeness.’ The Hebrew Saturn god El and his biblical Elohim are the Gnostic Lord Archon/Demiurge and Archons under another name. He (always an he) appears in the Matrix movie as the Architect of the Matrix (see above). The English artist and writer William Blake depicts the Demiurge in the late 18th Century as the white haired-bearded Saturn god called, The Ancient of Days - Urizen (above middle). He is the classic image of God (white beard on a cloud). Both the creators of Superman and the Matrix movies, I would suggest were heavily inspired by the Hebrew belief in EL and the (Elohim) all of which relate to the worship of Saturn. The source from where we get Sabbath, Saturn-day and Sion, to show but a few examples.


Archon Zod, Borgs, Jinn and Saturn’s Armies
I wasn’t shocked to see Zod and his commanders depicted as they were in the movie, all clad in black armor. The use of the black skull-like masks and Scarab-like metallic costumes and the space ships that look like the Scarab beetles are clearly connected to ancient creation myths. Zod's space craft look like giant Beetles in the movie, just as the Sentinels in the Matrix movies looked like giant insects. The Scarab was considered a creator god for the ancient Egyptians, a symbol of life force, the sun, the Earth (rolling the ball of earth) and of ‘Hope’. The Sun the Scarab holds I would suggest is the old Sun – Saturn (see David Talbot’s book The Saturn Myth). The Scarab can be connected to the Titan Aristaios, who according to myth was the only giant not slain in the wars between the gods and the titans and was therefore turned into a dung beetle by Gaia (Earth) for his protection from the wrath of the Olympians. Connected to this is the knowledge that a shard is a tough sheath or covering, such as a shell, scale, or plate, or the “elytron” or outer wing covering of a beetle.

..there are certainly ‘entities’ that feed off the lack of empathy, compassion and the evil acts that are expressed through these ‘characters’.

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Ibn Taymiyyah (1263–1328), the renowned Islamic scholar, described the Archon/Jinn as ‘ignorant, untruthful, oppressive and treacherous’, although common Islamic belief is that they can have various states of being. He said that the Jinn engage in manipulative ‘magic’ and orchestrate events and misinformation at rituals. The Jinn/Archons or demons are the age old deceivers and destroyers of worlds by feeding off the energy of that planet. You could also say that Saturn’s little helpers are everywhere!

S’ is for Saturn, Serpent, Sion and Superman
In the film Clark finds a suit with the letter 'S' on its chest inside a Krypton ship embed in the ancient ice at the Arctic. He also finds out that the crest on the suit (and on the Code (shard) key he has had since arriving on Earth is a symbol of hope and the symbol of his true family. Jor-El appears holographically and explains to Kal-El that the planet's sun has made him stronger, and has been helping him manifest powers for some time. Hearing this, Clark (Kal-El) begins to push his powers: first taking flying leaps, before eventually being able to fly. He is becoming ‘Superman’.

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The S is also a symbol of the Serpent as a figure of ‘8’ swallowing its tale. Besides the obvious it represents both power over ‘time’ and the place beyond death and physicality in occult terms. There are similarities with the Ying and Yang symbol too and more occult examples of the balance of twin forces. S in Greek is a 'sigma' and can be found in the letter San written as (M), and with the letter M we see connections to the Sigil of Saturn, the Merovingian bloodlines and the compass in Freemasonry (below). Interestingly the Sigil (the spirit of Saturn) were the lines intersect create the distorted square where the Kryptons (Zod) are trapped in the phantom zone. Superman is also Sionman and the ultimate ‘Saturn’ man that fell to Earth.

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The serpent needs the Sun too to warm its serpent cold blood and 'Superman' of course is the flying Serpent-Sun God, the saviour who returns to lead Earth to a new world. Saturn or Cronos has also been linked to Satanism, and the worship of Lucifer (Helios), when it merged with Solar - Venus Cults. The ‘eye’ and the ‘Lemiscate' symbol can be linked to Saturn.

Origins of the Mysterious Red and Blue
Battles between opposing heroes can be found in all of the world myths, through to the duals between comic book super heroes of the Twentieth Century. Some of these ancient battles relate to direct fighting between royal families and the many decedents (bloodlines) that claim kinship to the gods. The battle between Zod and Kal-El relate to this in Man of Steel. The Mahibharata of India is a classic example of an epic conflict between feuding royal families. The Ulster Cycle of Celtic Ireland, which involves superhero figures and their attempt to steal a ‘prize bull’ and El of course relates to the Bull in mythology, too many to mention here. Many of the themes within these narratives relate to the royal lineage (the El-ite) of the gods on Earth and the bickering between the ‘blue blood’ families too.

In the creation myths and migration records of the Toltecs of Central America, there is reference to opposing colours of a mysterious red and blue spring - a source. According to the Toltec these red and blue symbols, (a circle and square spiral), relate to their warrior god Huitzilopochtli (another Superman below right). The red and blue colour symbolism relates to the meeting place between Heaven and Earth (or sky and land) and every temple was considered to be a central place of focus for these dual powers. Many dual deities, especially in the Americas and Asia were often depicted with a blue or red skin colour and this also relates to the opposing forces of sky and Earth, good and evil. The choice of red and blue for the ‘light sabers’ in the Starwars movies also relate to this symbolism I am sure. Mr Lucas must know all this. Interestingly, Krypton has an important role in production and usage of the ‘krypton fluoride laser’ used in the nuclear fusion energy research in confinement experiments. The laser has a high beam uniformity, short wavelength, and the ability to modify the spot size to track - in other words it would make a nice light saber.


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The same colour codes are used in the Matrix movie, for the pills (red or blue) that lead Neo into another version of reality. This is no coincidence and the directors of the Matrix movies seem to be accessing a hidden knowledge that speaks of the ‘time of change’ and the fulfilling of the prophecies at this time. Blue was often symbolic of the male cosmic force (magic from the stars) and red related to the feminine blood of the Earth. The red cape and ’red’ in general is commonly associated with danger, sacrifice, passion, fire, beauty, blood, anger, socialism and communism, and in China and many other cultures, with happiness. It’s is also associated with the ‘stars’ and Saturn and it’s not so surprising when we see red and blue (and black) used in political icons, the music/film industry (red carpets) and logos.

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Two Saturn girls greet each other (middle).

Where does lady Gaga come from again eh? interestingly the word ‘Ga-ga’ was said to be of the ancient Canaanite bloodlines in the days before King Solomon, the same Canaanite's that gave Jerusalem the ill fated Queen of Jerusalem - ‘Jezebel’. T
While I am looking at Saturn, both the Warner Brothers and DC Comics logo seem to suggest Saturn symbolism too, with the rings encircling the body of the logos. I think the Sci-Fi logo says it all really.

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....Clark (Kal-El) passes out, and finds himself in a dreamlike vision drowning in skulls and Zod explains to Clark that after the destruction of Krypton, the portal to the Phantom Zone where they were trapped, was opened again.The demons came through the portal so to speak, and in our reality, the same has been shown to happen when worlds collide. Utilizing the portal's Phantom Drive, they were able to transport themselves all across the galaxy. Searching out the various planets which colonizing ships were sent, their searches for a new planet proved unfruitful, as each of the colonists sent to these various planets were found to have perished. However, Zod and his crew took what they could from the remnants of their civilization, including a "World-Building" machine. Zod claims that he intends to turn Earth into a New Krypton, but Clark (Superman) is unwilling to go along with this plan and the massive battle for Earth ensues.

What is clear to me is that a force that controls our world is also ‘changing our world’ and its atmosphere for its own agenda. What many researchers have pointed out in recent years is that the Archon vibration (the Krypton reality), or the archon state of being, I touched on earlier, are the age old gods, demons that have possessed those that have trashed our planet through war, indsusty and technology. The same force is using a new wave of technology from smart grids, to radiation through Wi-Fi, from GMO monoculture (Big Biotech) to mass toxicity, and they are altering the blue print of our world (our DNA). Okay there are no ‘world builders' hovering (not yet), but the effects of these insane El-ite are devastating our world. Why is our world changing? Maybe the El-ite are preparing it for their gods? Remember that Krypton is (from the Greek:kryptos) and means "the hidden one", and even though Krypton is inert for most practical purposes as a chemical (gas) in our world, its the chemicals that are pouring down on us and that are in our food and water we need to be concerened about. Only aliens would pollute everything we eat, drink and breathe. See chemtrails, fluoride in water and aspartame poisoning for starters.


In the movie Krypton is being brought to Earth, even if it means totally killing off humanity. Just as the Decepticons in the Transformers movies (another expression of the Archon mind) are bringing their planet Cybertron to Earth, they too will not stop at culling humanity for their own cause.
The common themes here are no different to the extremities of how ‘our weather’ has been used as a weapon too thanks to technology called HARRP based in Alaska; and of course not least how this connects to the Agenda 21 vision for a very different Earth - one with less people on it. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) is a major vehicle for the implementation of Agenda 21 by driving people from the land. Just look at what the El-lite (through commerce, business, politics and industry) have done to a once living organic Earth with their chemical factories, nuclear power stations, road systems, waste disposal and sprawling cities of concrete and tarmac. The beautiful Earth is being turned into the land of the Archons – the land of the Kryptonites.

In the film Zod's vision was ‘Krypton on Earth’ or Hell on Earth from humanity’s perspective - a dead Zone - a radiated planet. Or a blank canvas, so to speak, to build that NEW WORLD ORDER.


In the end the ‘Man of Steel’ meets up to his name by flying into the heart of the machine (Neo in the Matrix style) up through the electromagnetic force field destroying one of the World Builder ships. This in turn destroys its twin that is fixed above Metropolis (all is connected through energy). The ‘churning’ of the electromagnetic field is altered and the devastation that comes to and end before its too late – thanks to Superman - the god-alien with a conscience, because he is part human I suppose.



http://throughancienteyes.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/man-of-saturn-man-of-el-son-of-gods.html

goodness
29-06-2013, 01:32 PM
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Prince Charles "Whatever love means"

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marny
29-06-2013, 02:15 PM
without emotions, men and women can easily be turned into psychopathic slaves. Fear

this is how they are able to abuse so easily.

What is it they say, they hold in the emotions but somtimes they have to let it all out,read this somewhere even becomes too much for them..

oonalu
29-06-2013, 03:12 PM
During the war, after a short stint as an evacuee in Lincolnshire, he had jobs as an office boy, selling fruit, and dealing in scrap. His neighborhood was bombed, and he once picked up a discarded glove to find a severed hand still inside. In 1944 Savile was conscripted, at the age of eighteen, to work in the Yorkshire coal mines as a so-called Bevin Boy. He was still slight of build, and for some years had a job sitting at a bend in the three-mile track in the tunnel, monitoring the trucks of coal to see that they didn’t go off the rails and righting them when they did. He took to smuggling books into the mine and reading them by the light of his lamp: “After three years of six shifts a week living like a walled-up Tibetan monk I was fully conversant with the wonders of astronomy, physics, maths, ancient and modern religions and a variety of languages. ‘One off’ subjects like politics, economics and world history I treated as light entertainment.” Other vivid details from his time in the pits include the day he showed up late to work in his best suit, tucked it in a newspaper, and did duty naked; the day he incompetently drove a tram full of miners home because of a transit workers strike; and the constant farting of the pit pony. Throughout Savile’s life story, the scatological is never far from the memoirist’s mind.

After seven years in the mines, Savile injured his spine when he was caught too close to a routine coal blast. He was given a medical discharge, sixteen shillings a week sick money, and a steel corset to straighten his back, and moved in with his parents to convalesce. He would live, on and off, with his mother until her death; he called her “the duchess” and elevated her to minor celebrity status. In his memoir he says she was “my only real true love to date.”






http://thebaffler.com/past/predator_drone

unseen_influencer
29-06-2013, 05:07 PM
Posters were discussing connections between Edward Heath, A D Lindsay, Ludwig Guttmann, Savile and Stoke Mandeville last year.

I think this is new:

"Mr Edward Heath
HC Deb 08 February 1973 vol 850 c178W 178W
Q10. Miss Hall asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement following his recent visit to the National Spine Injuries Centre, Stoke Mandeville Hospital.
§The Prime Minister I visited the Spinal Injuries Centre at Stoke Mandeville on Christmas Day, when I toured the wards and met patients and staff."

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1973/feb/08/stoke-mandeville-hospital#S5CV0850P0_19730208_CWA_144

horrified
29-06-2013, 06:46 PM
Sorry for long re-post - key additions are timing of when Joe Costigan states he was summarily dismissed - he says he was in mid 50s so if born in 1912 as he says would be mid late 60s he left aircraft designing - he never states the true reason he found out he was sacked for but I suspect the book was written in response to that truth whatever it was. This was his opportnity to either set the record straight or set the record wrong - either way he wrote his book for a reason related to this. Leida was russian born, estonian parentage, parents worked for Tsar. Surely this would have made her of interest to cold war secret service ppl? He also states he takes a pacificst turn kind of before he meets Leida but it could have coincidede with this - at this point he leaves to make civil aircraft but ends up designing air-guided missiles.....he no doubt would have been identified as a security risk too.

The mystery is what Savile did - had he already set Henlow Grange up as a VIP brothel for supply of children to those in the know to be reocrded and blackmailed at this point? It would certainly fit him finding inspiration from the events at Polaris/Holy Loch/Dunoon in 1961/2 where the influx of the short term US navy ratings meant a demand for brothels including underage sex.However whether it was just Leida or just Joe or both of them that knew I can't tell - whatever it was led to breakdown of Costigan marriage because Dorothy Purdew found Joe still at Henlow Grange and was afraid she'd be lumbered with him in 1980. Leida starts to fall apart early 70s/73 - 75 they're making plans to decamp to their other spa in Spain they already have. So within 5 years of Joe being bumped from his job things start to become difficult at Henlow Grange and despite Beauty 'pageants' in 1973 etc I get the impression that is when they realise they are 'owned' by Savile and what they have let themselves in for. I'm not saying they're innocent before but something about the 'deal' starts to fall apart from mid 70s onwards when Leida is making moves to decamp.

Dorothy Purdew has been led to believe she is a brilliant businesswoman who can intuitively read people's body language (she bangs on about this all the time - I suspect she has been led to believe she is always right on this score - someone's own vanity can easily be used against them - Savile did this with Thatcher - she wasn't that smart if she could be flattered into all sort which she could) - at various points you get glimpses (eg her and Bob don't sleep in same bedroom since 1965, his constant refrain is don't touch my things. no one is allowed to go into his room etc - all memories when he dies and she is going to have to clear his room - see what effort Savile goes to to help an old friend in his last days Bob - this is also a key addition).

Henlow Grange

Henlow Grange is a country house in Henlow, Bedfordshire now owned and run as a Health Spa under the Champneys brand.

Bibliography

Over the years, Henlow Grange has featured in a number of books published telling the story of the house and its various owners.

The majority of the information below is sourced from one of the above books, supplemented with online newspaper archives or film archives

Adventures of an Aircraft Designer, F J Costigan (1980)

The Story of Henlow Grange, D Purdew (2009)

The Long Road to Champneys, D Purdew (2011)

Savile at Henlow Grange

Savile described his connections with Henlow Grange in The Story of Henlow Grange:

“I first got involved with Henlow before the Purdews when I was invited by Leida (Costigan) to go down because they liked the idea of free publicity! Oh my goodness, it was a wonderful time! I went there three of fourt times and got on well with both of them – her husband designed aircraft, you know. Then the Purdew family came along and we kept it going from there. It’s been a sort of unbroken chain for about forty years. I’m the kind of fella who’s relaxed anyway but Henlow makes me even more relaxed. The grounds are terrific and so is the house and the food.

I don’t have any treatments because I’m not in a beauty competition – I don’t even swim there. The main exercise I do is put on my coat to go outside and have a cigar. I like running there because it’s nice and flat. Where I live in Yorkshire is hilly.

Most of the guests recognise me. Yes, of course I have some funny stories about that but not ones you could put in a book. I did get one woman who said, “I wrote to you twenty years ago on Jim’ll Fix It and I never got a reply.” I said, “That’s because you didn’t enclose an SAE.”

I usually go down once a year for a special occasion. The Purdews are very warm and welcoming unless you smoke cigars! They’re great “tenants” of the building because they’ve made it such a wonderful experience for anyone who is stressed.”

In 1980 FJ Costigan published an autobiography called adventuresome aircraft designer the publishers Courtney publications Lincoln 95 to 115 Windmill Road Luton beds LU won the XS

1912: F Joseph Costigan born on 23rd December, 1912 at a house in Tadmor Street in North Hammersmith, London. Father of Irish extract, grandfather lived and worked as a saddle-maker in Dublin for most of his life and then moved to Birmingham to carry on his work and raised 11 children with Joe’s grandmother. Father becomes a prominent pioneering motor engineer living and working around Birmingham, Coventry and London. Father once held the land speed record of 60 mph “over a straight piece of road between London and Birmingham, wearing goggles, a flat peaked cap turned back to front and the car windscreen removed to reduce the wind resistance” (AAD p1)

[comment: The use of angles in aerodynamics are demonstrated by Costigan's

1917: Leida born at "Ryazan, South of Moscow in Russia, from Estonian parents who were then working for the Czar" (p.67); Year of the Russian Revolution; Parents escaped to home town of Tallin

1921: Leida, training to be a ballet dancer from a very early age

1925: Joe's dad dies when he's 13

1926: Joe starts 5 year apprenticeship at Weybridge Motor Engineering Co.

1929: Apprenticeship ends; Great Depression

1930s

1930 (?): Aged 20 Works at Waterloo Sub-Station/ Engineering Dept of Southern Railway - gets job through friend of father, 'Uncle Sam'

1931 (?): Hersham Motors, jig & tool draughtsman, made redundant within year?

1931/1932: Becomes a sports car designer, job through father's friend again (not the same one); business dries up as re-armament gears up

1934/1935?: Aged 24/25 Works at Vickers Aircraft Co at Brooklands, Weybridge. Meets Chief Designer Barnes Wallace (geodetics), Vince Broughton in aircraft designer

Moves to Hawker Aircrafts at Kingston Upon Thames, aircraft design

1936: Returns to Fairey Aviation

1936: "Alan Tindall Lennox-Boyd and his family come to live at Henlow Grange. Lennox -Boyd represented mid Bedfordshire in Parliament from the 1930s to the 1950s" (TSoHG p.92)

1937: Aged 25, leaves Fairey Aviation Co disillusioned with making war planes, takes a pacifist turn and leaves for Philips & Powis (later Miles Aircraft Co) near Reading designing civil aircraft

1938/1939: Returns to Fairey Aviation Co in Hayes, Middlesex. Leida is 20, and has become a full ballerina at the famous Hellerau finishing school in Vienna

States WWII starts 3rd September 1939

1 December 1939: Britain declares war

23rd December 1939: Aged 27, gains first patent. Hayes Fairey factory is being bombed, evacuated to Taplow, near Maidenhead

1940s / WWII

1940: Adrian, Joe's son is born. RAF Henlow is bombed by the Luftwaffe. Eight bombs fell on the airfield, damaging two hangars (TSoHG p.92)

Leida flees WWII through Eastern Europe to Balkans and eventually to Baghdad in Iraq, where a bad fall from a home seriously injured her hip and this put an end to her dancing career. At about the same time, Russia invaded Estonia and took her parents off to Siberia and Leida was declared a Stateless person." (p.68)

Leida spends the war in Baghdad, and uses her physiotherapy knowledge to help wounded soldiers in Baghdad hospitals; starts beauty business together with French girl, Elyan from Paris. During the war Leida marries an Italian Civil Engineer working for British Army in Baghdad who has a British passport.

1945: Aged 32, Joe leaves wife Iris and son Adrian. Leida moves to South Africa, Cape Town with her husband.

1949/50: Leida's marriage ends; she travels by sea to England to stay with Elyan and her husband, Maynard at their home farm in Warwickshire, quite near to Stratford-Upon-Avon. Here, Leida learns a peculiar Shakespearean English through translating plays with Elyan. Leida could already speak 8 languages before learning English (AAD p.68) (Estonian, Russian, Italian and...?)

In promotional literature distributed in the early 1960s it is stated Leida spoke 7 languages, including English "She is also a linguist and speaks English, French, German, Estonian, Russian, Italian and Spanish." (TSoH p.60)

1950s

1950: "Lord Boyd of Merton gives the Boyd Memorial Field to the Parish when the family left the village."

During the 1950s and 1960s Savile is reported as being a frequent visitor to St Francis Boys home in Shefford, the longest serving children's home of the poor established in 1868 and run by the Catholic Diocesese of Northampton, it housed boys from 5 - 16 years old http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/News/Savile-regularly-prayed-at-Shefford-home-of-Catholic-boys-20130616090000.htm

1955: Aged 42, Iris divorces Joe Costigan; Meets Leida who is in London obtaining a Beauty Therapy Degree (p.68)

1956: Moves to work at De Havilland Aircraft Co; now specialising solely in guided weapons

1957: Promoted to become Chief Designer; George Brown promoted to become Assistant Chief Engineer under Guy Gardiner; Visits Australia for Firestreak trials; on return trip diverts to Delhi, India to give lecture on Firestreak to the Indian Air Force (p.69)

1955 - 1960: Costigans purchase a beauty farm [called Pelham Lodge] in Knebworth, Hertfordshire (TSoH p.59)

1957/8: Anna Kristina Costigan born

1959: http://www.britishpathe.com/video/the-way-to-beauty Leida Costigan films “The Way to Beauty” at Pelham Lodge

1960s

1961: Henlow Grange is purchased and refurbished as a health farm by Mr & Mrs F Costigan (TSoHG p.92)

“Leida first visited Henlow with her husband Fred in 1961 to consider its potential. It needed someone with vision since thousands of panes of glass had been broken by vandals and two huge elder trees had grown up through the magnificent wrought iron gates.” (TSoHG p.60)

March/April 1961: Vicar of Henlow Church, the Reverend R Howerd had retired and starts to help with restoration of the Chinese wallpaper in the Peacock Room. Costigans employ a scenery artist from Elstree film studios who only charged £47 including materials. (TSoHG p.64) (St Mary’s, Henlow Church website states this: a Rev R Howard retired in 1968)

Spring 1961: Costigans lobby Conservative Dame Irene Ward in the House of Commons who invites them to lunch in the Commons restaurant. Dame Ward speaks to the Minister of Housing (then Conservative MP for Tonbridge, Sir John Stanley, also a Privy Councillor) and full planning permission is granted 3 days later so that restoration work can start.

27th April 1961: Costigans exchange contracts to purchase

10th July 1961: Within 2 1/2 months of wok starting, half main house and half beauty treatment centre in the basement ready for use. Champagne party to celebrate. One of the first guests on opening night was Lady Cecil Douglas (TSoHG p.68)

Lady Cecil Douglas, niece of Lord Alfred Douglas, : sneering at Canadian hospitality when evacuated during WWII, forwarding a request for an autograph

December 1961: Rest of main house & treatment centre restored and central heating installed in entire house. Restoration moves to North Wing.

1962 onwards: Swimming pool built in basement, christened “The Dolphin Rooms”.

The death of Russell Winterbottom

17 October 1963: A 37 year old Californian Beauty therapist trainee, Russell Winterbottom, goes missing after setting off for a run in his tracksuit. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id…costigan&hl=en

3 December 1963: Reported that Russell Winterbottom’s body is found, burnt, with petrol cans nearby, in Henlow Grange groundshttp://news.google.com/newspapers?ni…pg=889,3593956

Father John Ryan was Rector from 1963 – 1969 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-22702632



Guests: International tennis stars (TSoH p.72)

Rosina Everitt remembers: “Peter Murray was one of Leida’s favourites and also Jimmy Savile. We had Shirley Bassey who was lovely and also Dusty Springfield, who was a bit of a recluse and spent a lot of time in her room. Matt Monro was a regular too and went to the local pub a few times, sometimes to do charity events. Pat Phoenix used to come too – she was just as glamorous as you’d imagine. She loved the facials. Leida used to do all the facials personally for the celebrities.” (TSoHG p.108)

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4577138/sun-campaign-strip-paedo-dj-jimmy-savile-of-sir-knighthood.html#ixzz2XIZWshFz

Meanwhile, Savile’s former BBC radio colleague Pete Murray has told how the late entertainer used to invite young girls to his house even before he found fame.

Ex-Top of the Pops presenter Pete said Savile had two girls aged 16 or 17 in his living room when he arrived to spend a night there in the mid-60s.

The 87-year-old said he knew Savile “liked young girls” but never saw him do anything.

Murray, who expressed surprise at the abuse claims, said: “We all knew he liked young girls but that was it. Nobody knew if he did anything with them and I never asked him about it.”

Murray added: “The girls I saw him with were about 16 or 17. I certainly never saw him with any girl who looked younger than that but it’s hard to tell when girls wear make-up.

“I would be very surprised if he ever forced himself on anybody.

Jill Bennett Joan Gallagher (aged 85 in 2009) recalls: “During Leida’s time, it was just me and Eartha Kitt for a few days. She was lovely. I’ve also talked to several other names including and Jimmy Savile>” (TSoHG p.103)

June 1963: Henlow church fete held on the lawn. Joe Costigan writes: ” Each year we stack away our sports equipment so that the fete committee can bring in marquees, stalls and side shows, all run by volunteers from the village. Leida has usually found a well-known radio or television star to open each fete, which usually draws in crowds of around 500 people and raises hundreds of punds towards the maintenance of St Mary’s parish church. The beautiful old Henlow Church was also in the possession of the Augustinian Canons of Llanthony up to the Reformation.” (excerpt quoted from Leida & Her Beauty Farm in TSoHG, p.72)

1966/67: Joe is now in his mid 50s and preparing a proposal for Dornier, a company famous for producing flying-boats, who were designing an amphibious flying boat for which they needed a retractable undercarriage so that it could come up on land. Joe is doing Leida’s accounts for her businesses at night and develops a form of ugly skin blemishes on his hands arms and neck which were noticeable. Despite Leida’s pressure to join her businesses full-time Joe says: “Well, aircraft engineering was now well into my blood. It was my life and I could not give it up. Then suddenly without warning that world crashed about my ears. I was summoned to a Senior Executive’s office and he told me that they had been reviewing the top management and had decided to ask me to leave the firm that day. No other reason was given. I was utterly shattered. After 17 years service with the firm to be so ignominously dismissed was abhorrent. I could not understand; so far as I knew I had done nothing to warrant such treatment, but later I did find the true reason.” (AAD p.95)

Joe doesn’t share this true reason for his summary dismissal

1970: Costigans research entire history of Henlow Grange, record and frame it in fine handwriting and mount at foot of main staircase. “Much of the material was gathered from the Reverend Howerd. It came from the church records and tombstones and partly from correspondence with Prinknash Abbey in Gloucester. Other sources were reference books that Mr Howerd recommended in Bedford Library.” (TSoHG p.70)

1970: Rosina Everitt joins Henlow Grange as a 16 year old trainee hairdresser (TSoHG p.106); Rosina remembers the pageants Leida organised “I’ll never forget one evening when the girl who was playing Miriam tripped and baby Moses (a doll) fell into the pool.”

“Slightly surprisingly, there were quite a few men there in Leida’s time. ‘Like the women, they were quite well off and came for a rest. SOme also wanted to lose weight. We had a men’s room where they could all sit. One of the men actually married a therapist although Leida never heard about it; relationships were strictly forbidden.’” (TSoHG p.108)

Alan Guard, 72 (2009) and Evelyn Guard, guests at Henlow Grange since 1965: “It was much smaller in Leida’s time with fewer people. I certainly didn’t stand out because there were always other men there. We had a men’s room with three or four massage tables and a gym…Often we see the same faces but we don’t really speak to celebrities although we did talk to Jimmy Savile once.” (TSoHG p. 104)

Evelyn: “(Leida) made everyone feel very special. There were only thirty-two guests then, compared with 200 plus. We love Henlow because it makes us feel at home. We can relax. We have a photograph of ourselves with Jimmy Savile on our sitting room wall.” (TSoHG p.104)

Barbara Windsor: ” I first went at the beginning when Leida owned Henlow. Someone recommended that I should go there because I had a lot of worry because of my personal life. I had gone to some other health farms but they were far away and I’d heard so much about Leida that I wanted to see what it was like. I loved it!” (TSoHG p.95)

Looks like Pelham Lodge was demolished in the 1960′s

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi…_-_1606273.jpg

September 1971: 10th anniversary party held at Henlow Grange. Costigans bid for a house in the village, The Limes. (TSoHG p.73)

May 1973: Summer Press Ball, beauty students perform a Tableau of Beauty Through the Ages (TSoHG pp 74-75)



Savile & Leida Costigan at Haut de la Garenne

1973: Anne Costigan (now a spa owner) moves to Spain permanently:

Anne Costigan

Basic PLUS Level Expert Author

I was born in Barnet U.K. and was educated in England and Switzerland. I trained as a beautician in Henlow Grange and have worked professionally since 1975. I visited Spain with my family since the early sixties and have lived here since 1973.

For many years clients came to stay at our Spanish Health Farm. Often we accompanied our clients to see the Alhambra in Granada Spain, or to see Cordoba, the city which is la crème-de-la-crème of history and varied cultures.

Writing and researching, became my passion. I always want to know “what happened, how it happened and the consequences of that event.” I began a website with an in-depth slant on geographical history. A detailed guide used frequently by schools and graduate schools for a closer view of historic Spain. It is my guided tour of Andalucia.

http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Anne_Costigan

1974: St Francis Boys’ Home, Shefford closes and Savile has to look for other sources to procure children from.

1975/1976: Leida Costigan visits Haut de la Garenne, Jersey with Savile

1975: Anne Costigan starts work as a beauty therapist (pictured massaging Maureen Lipman)



1977/78: Wendy Mantle, daughter of convicted sadistic child abuser Jeffery Mantle is assaulted by Jimmy Savile while working at Henlow Grange as a chambermaid, aged 18.

http://www.thecomet.net/news/jimmy_savile_molested_me_claims_ex_henlow_grange_c hambermaid_1_1661501

1980s

1980: Joe Costigan publishes “Adventures of an Aircraft Designer”; Officer cadet training ceases on April 24th at RAF Henlow. The station is passed to the Radio Engineering Unit.

1981: Purdew family buys Henlow Grange from Mrs Costigan

1985: Sir Jimmy Savile opens the Savile Wing extension



1985: Local Shefford historian Audrey White, 83, was photographed with Savile at the Shefford VE remembrance celebration in 1985.

Audrey said: “We thought he might be at The Grange as we knew he was a frequent visitor so we phoned the health farm and he was there, so we invited him to our celebrations. Mr Savile was very nice and said he would come along. He arrived on Sunday morning with two other men and agreed to be photographed with me and my husband. He stayed for a while, drew a poster for us and even made a donation”.

‘Mid-1980s’: Two Yemeni girls of 14 or 15 arrive (or ‘are delivered’), who are ‘clueless’ and there is no contact with their parents, only communication with a London doctor and they stay for 6 months, lose about 4 stone each and become fluent in English

“On another occasion in the mid-80s we had two teenage girls from Yemen delivered to us. A fleet of cars arrived with the pair of them and all their belongings. They were only aged about fourteen or fifteen and were really quite clueless so we had to look after their every need. Rosina became a kind of surrogate mother to them, even having to teach them about sanitary towels. I don’t know why they were over here , it was all very mysterious and whenever there were any problems or dramas we had to call this London doctor who acted as the go-between with their parents.

They ended up living with us for six months and it actually did them both the world of good. ” (LRtC p.151)

1987: Bob Purdew retires from Quango (LRtC p159) he had been heading up

1990s

9 Jan 1990: Bob Purdew diagnosed with lung cancer

“His fear was the worst part. It was our friend Sir Jimmy Savile who once more came to our aid – or at least to Bob’s. Stephen had confided in him and arranged for another consultant to meet with Bob and me.”

Dorothy implies Jim fixed it for the new consultant to lie to Bob and tell him his cancer was curable, “It’ll take time but it will clear” (TSoC p.163)

They go on holiday coinciding with the Cannes Film Festival, but Bob worsens.

“Once more Sir Jimmy moved things as only he can and he found a friend of his with a private plane to take Bob home. If only it was that easy. BUPA required a doctor’s clearance before he could fly and Sir Jimmy stepped in, contacting someone high up in BUPA who sent a doctor from Holland to examine Bob. I was impressed with this young man. He sat by Bob’s bed for three days and nights, checking his medication and feeding him.” (TSoC p.164)

“After three days the doctor delivered his verdict. A small private plane was not suitable for the journey home. It would be too uncomfortable for Rob. Instead BUPA arranged for six seats to be taken out of the business section of a British Airways plane to accomodate Bob’s stretcher. We had been there about 3 weeks in total – British Airways were kindness itself and did everything possible to make this journey as easy as it could be.”

Bob dreams about being in an Italian square shooting and being shot at by Germans.

“We were met at Heathrow airport and transferred by private ambulance to a BUPA hospital in Hemel Hempstead.”

May 1990: Bob Purdew dies

1990: Sir Nicholas Lyell, MP for mid-bedforshire unveils the cupola clock and dome of the Llanthony wing, dating from 1687; and restored at a cost of £40k with the support of English Heritage.

August 1990: Ashby De la Zouch Springs opened by competitor

1991: Stephen Purdew first reports meeting Rebekah Brooks: ” I’ve known her since 1991. She was a journalist trying to do a story on [footballer] Paul Gascoigne and I got to know her really well. And I went to her wedding to [first husband] Ross Kemp, and I went on holiday with her and Ross.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/aug/11/stephen-purdew-champneys-interview

1991: Ashby de la Zouch, Leicestershire, in 1991 Springs purchased by Purdews; built by consortium in Midlands led by ex-financial director of competitors Ragdale; represented 15% market share at the time (but it had no customers?) (LRtC p.171-172) Stephen Purdew makes an appointment to view it when advertised in Financial Times as being in receivership

” He made an appointment to view on his way back from a day out hunting with the Meynell Hunt, of which Stephen was a member at that time (Prince Charles used to hunt with them and it was known for difficult countryside and jumps). ” (LRtC p.172)

A deal is negotiated, two sets of Birmingham lawyers sit round a table for 3 days:

“But finally after three days the deal was done. It was another odd purchase. Again there was no key and no cheque handed over but we had bought it. It was ours. We stayed the night and then in the morning we more or less handed the building over to a night porter and went home.”

1993: BBC2 film a 40 minute documentary at the Grange – Beryl Downing, a travel writer from The Times, writes about it (TSoHG p.112)

1994: RAF Henlow was launched as a Defence Agency with the role of designing and installing ground and airborne electronic systems, such as communications and navigation aids. At this time the base supported 753 civilian posts and 818 servicemen with an annual budget of £41 million. (TSoHG, p.93). Purdews spend a £4m upgrade for a 25 metre half Olympic size swimming pool, a whirlpool, computerised gym, and separate sauna and steam facilities for men and women. (TSoHG p.113)

2001: In 2001 the Purdews briefly acquired Inglewood health hydro from agents of Saudi prince Mohammed bin Fahd. Inglewood had been the scene of allegations, published in the Guardian six years earlier, that then defence minister Jonathan Aitken, a director of the spa, had tried to arrange girls for a Saudi prince and his entourage. The report led to the notorious libel action brought by Aitken ultimately culminating in his being sentenced to jail for perjury.

November 2002: Fire starts (inexplicably) in the sauna (TSoHG p.86)

“Another programme of refurbishment begins – but in November, there is a serious fire which started in the ladies’ sauna. Henlow Grange is shut for six months and staff are found jobs in the other three Champneys spas: Tring, Forest Mere and Springs.” (TSoHG p.113)

2003: “Henlow Grange opens again after a major refurbishment. New facilities include a laconium ( a dry Roman heat room); additional treatment rooms; a rasul mud chamber; and a thalassotherapy pool. Luxury bedrooms are provided for Premier Guests and there is also a holistic studio, a herbal steam chamber and 35 treatment rooms. The wax bath becomes Henlow’s signature treatment. All the bedrooms are renovated and equipped with flat screen TVs and DVD players.” (TSoHG p.113)

July 5th 2003: Dorothy & Stephen Purdew hold a ball to celebrate the re-opening of Henlow Grange, at which Sir Jimmy Savile is the guest of honour.”

23rd August 2006: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c…ess-diary.html

23rd August 2006

Now then, now then, Sir Jimmy heads to the Royal Opera House

Stephen Purdew, owner of celebrity health-club Champneys, is throwing a party at the Royal Opera House to celebrate 25 years of wrapping people in seaweed. Guest of honour will be his mother, Dorothy, with whom he bought his first health farm, Henlow Grange, in 1981. Two more followed until the pair bought Champneys in 2002. Among the 100-odd celebrities and royal guests invited are entrepreneurs such as John Caudwell, who has plenty of time to relax now he’s sold his Phones4U business, media bunnies Richard Desmond and Piers Morgan, and Purdew’s closest adviser, Sir Jimmy Savile. I hear the bank manager has also been invited, though an insider denies any corporate action is imminent. Still, the company has recently incorporated two new subsidiaries – Mayfair and Day Spa – which may indicate a face-lift.

2009: Dorothy Purdew publishes “The Story of Henlow Grange”

2009: Stephen Purdew gets married: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/18/champneys-spa-paul-stephenson-phone-hacking

“Rebekah Brooks was among the guests at Purdew’s wedding at Claridges in 2009, along with Liam Gallagher, Piers Morgan, soap actress Samantha Janus, Stephen Gately from Boyzone, a clutch of former Arsenal footballers, Frank Bruno and Jimmy Saville.

Reports at the time said Keith Vaz, chairman of the home affairs select committee, was also there, though his spokeswoman was not able to confirm that late on Sunday night.”

“Vaz’s daughter Anjali was a bridesmaid when Purdew, 52, married his longtime partner, blonde former model Isabele Cave, 30, two years ago.”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2016259/Sir-Paul-Stephenson-Champneys-Stephen-Purdew-friends-high-places.html#ixzz2XIl9zPfw

Neil Wallis, a former News of the World assistant editor who was arrested in June 2011, had until recently been providing public relations advice to both the Met and Champneys.

17 July 2011: Met Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson resigns over free 5 week stay at Champneys http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/18/champneys-spa-paul-stephenson-phone-hacking

11 August 2011: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/aug/11/stephen-purdew-champneys-interview “The networker who made Champneys’ name: Spa owner Stephen Purdew likes to be generous to newspaper editors, sports stars … and sometimes policemen. They give the place a buzz, he says”

29 October 2011: Savile dies.

5th November 2012: http://www.biggleswadetoday.co.uk/community/farewell-to-top-tv-presenter-1-3218245 : ”Jimmy was a regular visitor at Champneys health spa in Henlow, first visiting in the 1960s. He became a close friend of the owners, Stephen Purdew and his mother Dorothy. When a new bedroom wing was opened in 1985 it was named after him.

Stephen Purdew said: ‘He was a very significant family friend loved by everyone.

“Many people in the Henlow area will have very fond memories of this great man. My mother and I will miss him dearly.’”

unseen_influencer
29-06-2013, 07:45 PM
@horrified

from FREEBMD reg June 1957 it is known that Leida's name was Peets

COSTIGAN Ann PEETS Barnet 5a 992

welshwitch
29-06-2013, 08:55 PM
Some of the following we know:

The widely held view amongst those who are following the Elm Guest House scandal is that Carole Kasir was an innocent patsy. She, as Mary Moss stated, was blind to what was going on.

That unfortunately is completely untrue.

Carole Kasir was well aware of what was going on in her guest house, more than that, she saw it as a money making scheme and wanted to expand operations.

John Anthony Rowe is the brother of Michael Stuart Rowe, AKA Paul Rinehart. Not many people are aware that John Rowe was friends with Carole Kasir right up until her death and supplied her with money at various times. If you had been in the position of having your eyes opened to what was going on under your nose, why would you remain “friends” with one of those people?

In October 1981 Elm Guest House held a “Kings & Queens” party. A lot of senior people attended and children were present and sexually abused.

It was on this occasion that the photo’s of several senior people in compromising positions were taken in the Sauna room funded by Rowe and RAWRO.

Some we don't know........

The Police were passed those photo’s in 1989 by Carole Kasir and they still have them. Operation Fernbridge are in possession of cast iron evidence of who was doing what and to whom at Elm Guest House in 1981.


Rowe assured Carole that £250,000 pounds worth of investment had already been agreed.


The names of those involved in RAWRO and Spartacus are known to everyone who is closely following the Elm story. It’s not classified information, it’s widely available through their own arrogance and later arguments resulting in court transcriptions revealing them.

But who were those other financial backers and whose money were they using to back the grand plan?

I can’t tell you any names here. But I can assure you that the news organisations and individuals who are trying to get justice this time have now been made aware and are passing what is known onto the Operation Fairbank.

JUSTICE MUST BE DONE THIS TIME.

Lots more background here:

http://7493021a.wordpress.com/

nick68
29-06-2013, 08:56 PM
What is the difference between them? If Coulson and the red head are sent to prison (which they surely must be) then why is it not clear that the Government spying on everyone is also illegal and worthy of serious sanction?

We all of us ought to be FOI-ing for our own Government file. What is the point of charity helplines, or even a police investigation into the abuse and the whole Elm Guest Hiouse Savile scandal? Why not simply DEMAND GCHQ and the security services hand over the proof?

MI5/MI6 KNEW, KNOW and PROTECT the abusers.

But WE pay for them.:mad:

troyhand
29-06-2013, 10:09 PM
+1 AGREED! GREAT WORK on Champneys and Costigan, horrified!


The mystery is what Savile did - had he already set Henlow Grange up as a VIP brothel for supply of children to those in the know to be recorded and blackmailed at this point? ’”
...
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Property-News/Sport-and-the-local-pub-have-long-been-a-winning-combination
The Publican Morning Advisor
13 October 2005
Sport and the local pub have long been a winning combination

Not all pubs are happy to content themselves with the local park players for their football teams.

The Engineers Arms, at Henlow in Bedfordshire, once signed George Best on forms for Engineers Henlow, its team that plays in the Hitchen Sunday league. Yes, the George Best.

Host Kevin Machin recalls: 'We've got Henlow Grange health farm, which is now Champney's, just up the road, and he used make an appearance in the pub when he was staying there.

'He actually registered for us as a player, but he never turned up to play, but then again he sometimes didn't turn up for Manchester United or Fulham,' Machin jokes. "But I...
...

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/singer-meic-stevens-hits-out-2113917
Wales Online
26 Apr 2009

Singer Meic Stevens hits out at the ‘subsidised Tafia’

Controversial singer Meic Stevens brands S4C ‘Europe’s worst TV station’ and tells ROBIN TURNER he has only two regrets...


The events leading up to his breakdown involved working too hard and playing even harder on the northern club circuit, he says. And he had started trying to keep up with former world-class footballer George Best in the drinking stakes.

Meic said: “George would drink at Mr Smith’s bar in Piccadilly. We would be there drinking all night and we wouldn’t leave until they threw us out at 4am. I don’t know how he did it.

“Savile would turn up at the bar, too. He would come along in his big Rolls Royce wearing a fur coat and smoking his trademark large cigar.”
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=P-JUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3JADAAAAIBAJ&pg=4962,2771135
The Age - Dec 11, 1972
Best's career may go pop

LONDON, Dec. 10 - Waynard soccer star George Best, has been offered a 500 pound ($1000) a week job as a disc jockey, the London "Evening Standard" reported last night.

The offer was made by top BBC disc jockey, Jimmy Saville, who said he was acting for a Bournemouth entertainment complex.

Savile said he would pay Best £20,000 (about $40,000) to take the job at a Bournemouth club.

Best was transfer listed by his club, Manchester United, this week after continually failing to attend training.
(GEE! I WONDER WHY?)

The club has put a £300,000 (about $600,000) price tag on him.

But Saville said his offer was quite apart from any football considerations.

He denied it was linked with a £250,000 sterling ($500,000) offer from the Bournemouth City football club - the only firm bid so far received for Best's ser-vices.

Saville said it was purely coincidental that the chairman of the third division club, Harold Walker, was also connected with the discotheque.
...

Appears as though George had to quietly leave the soccer scene (in Manchester, thx jayay). Something bad happen?
...

discovery77
29-06-2013, 10:14 PM
Whenever I say Im busy it gets interesting!

Regarding Bishop Brightly post, this is surely why they have arrested old Napier then. ;) p.s. who is Bishop Brightly? Someone we know?:confused:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/charles-napier-arrest-half-brother-tory-1998917

"At the Kings & Queens party, Carole Kasir was told that funding had been agreed by a group of backers. Some of the names of those backers are already known: the directors of RAWRO and Spartacus.

More troubling is the other names that were mentioned, senior members of the Paedophile Information Exchange for example, some of whom were enjoying the Elm Guest House facilities themselves. You won’t find their names on the guest lists leaked by Mary Moss, but rest assured they were there"....

This bit interesting too

Elm Guest House was the test. The prototype. The blueprint. Despite the brazen activites, it was still running and making money. The Gay press for some strange reason were happy to run their adverts advertising Spartacus discounts. Everything was “hunky-dory”.

Rowe and Glencross therefore wanted to extend the model countrywide."

And this..

Operation Fernbridge are in possession of cast iron evidence of who was doing what and to whom at Elm Guest House in 1981.
http://7493021a.wordpress.com/2013/06/29/rawro-spartacus-the-chain-of-filth/

Does that for certain mean Fernbridge or just those MET police 'vaults' where documents seem to so often go missing, bit like the Sydney Cooke file and pics - oh, who was also allegedly a supplier wasnt he.....:mad:

After the 1986 operation into Cooke was disbanded the former officer went to check the file – only to find the pictures had disappeared and any mention of the men involved had also vanished.

The former officer said: “It was clear a cover-up had taken place.

“The investigation showed that Cooke would pick up rent boys and take them back to flats or garages where large groups of men were waiting to abuse them.

“These paedophiles, which included a lot of high-profile figures that were said to include the former Cabinet Minister, Savile and MP Cyril Smith, all knew each other and all operated together.

"They would lie in wait and Cooke would turn up with the boy who wouldn’t know what was going to happen.

“We had photographic evidence of these high-profile figures entering or leaving buildings where the abuse was taking place. Everyone knew Savile was a paedo but nothing was ever done.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-tory-faces-child-sex-1714162

troyhand
29-06-2013, 10:25 PM
Whenever I say Im busy it gets interesting!

http://7493021a.wordpress.com/2013/06/29/rawro-spartacus-the-chain-of-filth/

Does that for certain mean Fernbridge or just those MET police 'vaults' where documents seem to so often go missing, bit like the Sydney Cooke file and pics - oh, who was also allegedly a supplier wasnt he.....:mad:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-tory-faces-child-sex-1714162

Starting to see a pattern here.

http://7493021a.wordpress.com/2013/06/29/rawro-spartacus-the-chain-of-filth/

In October 1981 Elm Guest House held a “Kings & Queens” party. A lot of senior people attended and children were present and sexually abused.

It was on this occasion that the photo’s of several senior people in compromising positions were taken in the Sauna room funded by Rowe and RAWRO. In order to completely dispel the myth of Carole Kasir as an innocent, the person who took those photo’s, with the full knowledge and agreement of those present was….Carole Kasir.

The Police were passed those photo’s in 1989 by Carole Kasir and they still have them. Operation Fernbridge are in possession of cast iron evidence of who was doing what and to whom at Elm Guest House in 1981.

It was at this party that John Rowe and Peter Glencross of Spartacus discussed their grand plans with Carole.

Elm Guest House was the test. The prototype. The blueprint. Despite the brazen activites, it was still running and making money. The Gay press for some strange reason were happy to run their adverts advertising Spartacus discounts. Everything was “hunky-dory”.

Rowe and Glencross therefore wanted to extend the model countrywide.

They wanted the Kasirs to be the “innocent” gay-friendly front who would open dozens of guest houses around the country, in places where the care system was already infiltrated by their associates.

Spartacus would do the publicity and send the child abusers to their doors while RAWRO franchised the “facilities” – saunas, video equipment and sadomasochistic items. All for the pleasure of powerful men and the destruction of innocent children.

But their plans extended beyond the UK borders. The “Dutch venture” would allow Spartacus to organise, through Russell Tricker’s company, Toff’s Travel, to traffic children in and out and transport the punters to venues across international orders. Tricker was also well funded, but discussion of how is for another time.
...


1981: Purdew family buys Henlow Grange from Mrs Costigan


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2949404/Sometimes-you-have-to-reinvent-yourself.html
The Telegraph - 22 Oct 2006
'Sometimes you have to reinvent yourself'

Stephen Purdew become known to 7m BBC viewers when he allowed cameras to follow him round his Forest Mere health resort in Hampshire. Critics compared the eight-week series to Fawlty Towers: fire alarms woke guests, lights failed and the unfinished refurbishment made the resort a building site. Purdew, who described his clients as "moaning old fogies", was cast as Basil.

Eight years on, Purdew also owns Champneys, the Hertfordshire jewel of health resorts, and a television company has suggested a similar fly-on-the-wall programme but he admits: "I'm not so sure I want to do it.

"With Forest Mere I'd nothing to lose. Now I've got four places that are branded and I've got to be careful."

The other two resorts are Henlow Grange in Bedfordshire and Springs in Leicester, which, like Forest Mere, now carry the Champneys name. When Purdew bought the Hertfordshire resort for £25m five years ago, he acquired not only a valuable country house but also a valuable brand.
...
Not only has the flagship resort's title been attached to the other three properties, Purdew is looking to open Champneys resorts in New York and Los Angeles and outside Moscow. He is also selling health and beauty products through Sainsbury's in Britain and has an agreement for their sale in Russia; the UK supermarket group last month started offering Champney's ready meals and Argos sells electrical beauty items bearing the name. A men's range was launched this year and by December, the first of what is planned to be a 100-strong chain of day-spas will open in Chichester.
...
Perhaps, but there is neither champagne nor lager at Champneys though a glass of wine is permitted with dinner. When Latvian Stanley Lief turned the Rothschild country house into a health farm in 1925 the diet may have been lettuce and lemon water but now clients pay to be pampered rather than punished.
...
Up to 80 per cent of clients — including celebrities from Cherie Booth to Karren Brady — are female, typically 35 to 55 years old and, according to Purdew, earning between £35,000 and £60,000. Of the men, most are business executives, he says – though Frank Bruno is frequently found in the Hertfordshire gym and George Best spent his final years at Forest Mere.
...
"Three years ago when we saw hotels building spa facilities we thought hard whether we should go down that route but we decided to become stricter and stick to the principles we've had for 50 years. We're not putting bars in or letting in children." To emphasise his point he adds: "We're a spa with a hotel, not a hotel with a spa."

Purdew came into the business thanks to his mother Dorothy, who at 74 is still his co-director and cheque signatory. After running slimming classes she acquired a health farm in Northamptonshire that had been home to the Wills tobacco family and 19-year-old Stephen abandoned his law degree to help out. He moved to London to join an accountancy firm before the venture went bust, but Dorothy then acquired Henlow Grange and the son was again called on to assist. "It was only then I realised what I wanted to do," he says.

The Leicestershire and Hampshire resorts followed but the goal had always been the original Champneys, which had passed through a series of owners including BAT's Eagle Star insurance subsidiary and Guinness. By 2001 it was owned by a consortium of Saudis that still retains a 4 per cent stake despite selling to the Purdews.

A Lloyds TSB loan of £25m on the properties, representing about a quarter of their value, financed the £14m Hertfordshire refurbishment that is just being completed.
...
The portfolio has been juggled significantly, however. A further resort, Inglewood in Berkshire, had been bought from the same Saudis but was resold rather than compete with the nearby flagship property. A Belgian health farm operating under licence was shut, while the lease on a hotel on Piccadilly was allowed to lapse and another London club, in the City, was closed because of losses. Plans to open in the Grosvenor House hotel on London's Park Lane were abandoned too.
...

discovery77
29-06-2013, 11:27 PM
I think they are all interlinked arent they, all part of the same paedo ring, and the more you read, the more it corroborates that fact. Q is for me now, who WASNT a supplier!! Who WASNT a customer? What were the REMITS of the ring and supply chain.

And did ANYONE care about the most vulnerable of kids?

troyhand
29-06-2013, 11:45 PM
George Best spent his final years at Forest Mere.


http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-fixer.html


The last bastion of support for Jimmy Savile has finally admitted defeat and removed all traces of him. At health spa Champneys in Henlow, near Bedford, a block of luxury rooms named after the now disgraced presenter is no longer known as The Savile Wing. A wall plaque that commemorates Savile’s unveiling of the rooms has been removed, as has the name plate on The Savile Suite at Champneys Forest Mere in Liphook, Hampshire. For 30 years, Jimmy Savile was close friends with Champneys owner Stephen Purdew, who considered him a mentor and father figure.

http://www.capitalbay.com/latest-news/281456-richard-kay-appy-ending-to-georgin-a-drama.html

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 12:01 AM
Musings and sundry

1980's - and all that stemmed from Profumo, Blunt, Philby,Burgess, MacLean, Prime et al

According to Mr Pincher, despite the fears that his private life would have made Sir Maurice a security risk, there was no suggestion that he had been compromised by the Russians.

The issue was given sharp focus in 1982 when Commander Michael Trestrail, the Queen's personal bodyguard, resigned after allegations that he had had a relationship with a male prostitute. After the scandal over the case, Lord Bridge, chairman of the Security Commission, investigated the security implications and recommended, not for the first time, a tighter system of positive vetting of people appointed to sensitive posts.


Inquiry call on ex-MI6 chief
Michael Evans, Defence Correspondent
20 April 1987
The Times
Excerpts:
There were reports in the Belfast newspapers, attempting to link Sir Maurice with the scandal over the Kincora welfare hostel for boys, which in 1980 was alleged to have been used for hiring out boys for homosexuals. Mr Cavendish said that Sir Maurice was aware of the allegations being made and because he as a bachelor he was anxious that it would cause embarrassment to the government of Mrs Thatcher. He told Mr Cavendish that it was one one reason why he had decided to resign from the Ulster job, although at that time he was also suffering from cancer of cancer of the stomach and died the following year.
...A former Army intelligence officer, Mr Colin Wallace, who admits that he was involved in a dirty tricks campaign in the 1970s against the Labour government, also claimed that Sir Maurice had been a victim of a smear campaign.


Michael Evans, Defence Correspondent
20 April 1987
The Times

MPs are to make renewed demands that the Prime Minister investigate Britain's intelligence services after allegations about the private life of the late Sir Maurice Oldfield, who for five years was head of MI6. Mr Chapman Pincher, the author, who knew Sir Maurice during his intelligence career, says in a new book that he was a homosexual who consorted with young male prostitutes.

Shocked MPs said last night they would be calling on the Prime Minister to investigate the relevations. There was particular concern over claims that Lord Whitelaw, when he was Home Secretary, received a report on Sir Maurice Oldfield's alleged homosexual activities from the then Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir David McNee, in the late 1970s. At that time, Sir Maurice was a special security co-ordinator in Northern Ireland after being brought out of retirement.

He had retired from MI6 in 1978 after an impeccable career in the Secret Intelligence Service, during which he had acquired a reputation for integrity and loyalty. He was regarded by the intelligence community and also by Mrs Thatcher as a Civil Servant of the highest quality.

But according to Mr Pincher, in his book Traitors: The Labyrinths of Treason, Special Branch officers who were giving Sir Maurice round-the-clock protection throughout his Northern Ireland appointment, discovered that male prostitutes were visiting him in his flat in Westminster.

http://winnowinghistory.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/inquiry-call-on-ex-mi6-chief.html


It seems plausible that there was a 'prototype brothel' - but I'm not convinced it was Elm- tho that might have been a 'refinement' of the MO which probably started in HdLG and Kincora.

In those cases children were largely abused within the confines of the care home itself, or taken off on yachts.....

Elm could have been the next phase - a locally situated superficially ordinary B&B - where care home children could be taken for days out. No need to risk busing/taxiing them to DOLPHIN SQUARE - where the MP's and slebs had their own flats - neutral territory that couldn't be linked directly to an abuser's own residence.

Kincora came to light in 1980- Trestrail (patently obviously NOT the only gay in the Royal Village) - was very quick to resign - so quick that the deed was done BEFORE Westminster heard of the potential scandal.

The question for me is - WHO/What organisation/persons were supposedly RESPONSIBLE for the VETTING of staff in ostensibly ''sensitive'' posts?????

Was Sir Maurice - the BATCHELOR (boy) ultimately responsible for clearing/sign-off in the earlier years?

edit
(Tressie had been in post 15/16 years I think - Maurice and ''his team'' would have overlapped that timescale. Maurice died 1981 - but as we know ''like knows like'' and he would have had people around him of the 'same bent'

SOMEONE/SOME PEOPLE were being sheltered.

IF it was Maurice OLDFIELD in the frame as accountable - then a scandal would have taken everyone BACK TO PROFUMO - SIR ANTHONY BLUNT etc.

The QUEEN MUM AND LIZARDBREATH BOTH KNEW BLUNT WAS A SPY.

Strikes me the ramifications are HUGE, esp with NSA and PRISM/GCHQ and Hacking scandals ALL live at the current time. Security/secret services running amok - but who are the ultimate paymasters????

Post from Hansard
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061320507&postcount=50352

Masons in prominent positions
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061119723&postcount=10786

troyhand
30-06-2013, 12:26 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2506&dat=19780507&id=tplJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fgwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3394,1506721
The News and Courier (Charleston, South Carolina, USA) - May 7, 1978

English 'Health Hydro' Glorified Fat Farm
by SUSAN HELLER ANDERSON

LIPHOOK, England (NYTNS) - Forest Mere is a health hydro, not to be confused with a beauty farm. The latter resembles such American institutions as The Golden Door, La Costa and the Greenhouse. The former, more medically oriented, refers to guests as "patients" and to massages as "treatments" - and to itself as a hydro, an Anglicism for spa.
But Forest Mere's reasonable rates - from about $250 to $450 a week, depending on the accommodations - make it quite a bargain compared with American fat farms, even including the trans-Atlantic &irfares.
Here, 48 miles southwest of London, the main emphasis is on repose and diet. Some 70 percent of the patients follow one of five basic diets ranging from total fasting (not recommended for more than two days) to eating simple, wholesome meals in the main dining room where the day's calorie count seldom ex-ceeds 1,000. I chose one week of semi-fasting - one cup of soup or half a grapefruit at lunch and dinner, and an orange at breakfast. Coffee is not allowed and tea is served only once a day.
Upon arrival, I was summoned immediately by the resident physician, John Meehan, who has Rex Harrison eyebrows. Dr. Meehan asked why I was there, explained briefly the different diets and medical facilities, took a short history and blood pressure, and weighed me. He Said I should be able to lose about one pound a day and noted that I could stand to shed one-and-a-half stones (21 pounds).
I spent the rest of the day trying to convert stones to pounds, or at least kilos, and checking out the other patients. At first, it seems that there's not much to do here.
Boredom is one of the problems in such a place - isolation coupled with seeing the same people each day. So I immediately signed up for tennis, bridge and backgammon, learned how to use the electric blanket and consulted the television schedules. I optimistically brought seven books (one a day) and four articles to complete. The management looked disapprovingly at my type- writer. Guests are strongly discouraged from working and sabotaged by the switchboard.
On morning one, I was awakened at 7:30, the normal wakeup hour, with the orange, a cup of hot water with a slice of lemon in it and a slip listing my treatments. These consisted of massage and sauna most days, although sauna is omitted when underwater massage is scheduled, the latter thought of as too strenuous to be preceded by excessive sweating.
My masseuse was Deborah, a highly trained Irish woman who gives an excellent massage. Reports from other patients noted equally expert staff, which numbers 112 for a maximum of 85 guests. In addition, everyone is extremely kind and solicitous although not enough attention is paid to silence in the massage and sauna areas. :eek: The telephones bells can be heard in London.
Mornings are spent in treatment, afternoons taken up with exercise, yoga, swimming of whatever. The walks around Forest Mere are lovely and I picked branches of pussywillows from the banks of the mere. On one walk, a companion ate nettles while I hunted for mushrooms. You get a bit desperate from starvation.
By the second day I was ravenous. At bridge, Sally Oppenheim and I fantasized about potatoes. She offered Lord Mostyn $20 for the keys to his Rolls. Whenever a goose quacked I thought of cassoulet.
After starving for three days, I had lost only two pounds and felt lousy. Plus I was too dizzy to concentrate about food. When it rained, I wondered if the snails were edible. We plotted a raid on the vegetable garden.
Forest Mere has recently been taken over by the Savoy group, which owns the London's Savoy Hotel. They will spiff up the health hydro, enlarge the exercise facilities and give the public rooms a facelift. The bedrooms, which are Spartan to quite comfortable, will remain untouched. Some have beautiful views of the woods and lake.
The new head is Sir Robert Mark[MET Commissioner - 1972-77], formerly with Scotland Yard, a fact that provoked the gleeful British press to dub him "The Man From Flab." Sir Robert is simply the financial director and will not be applying police tactics to errant slimmers sneaking off to the Links for drinks.
On the last night, partly in the interest of journalism and partly to celebrate the nearly seven pounds I had lost, I went to check out the action. The Arabs were barely visible behind a pile of lobster shells. The first taste of good food and wine after one week of grapefruit is worth the deprivation. Plus, of course, there is the satisfaction of watching your stomach flatten and your wrinkles disappear.
For the best choice of accommodations one should book about four weeks ahead: Forest Mere, Liphook, Hampshire.
...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=w3wzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=6855,2128537
Lodi News-Sentinel - Mar 25, 1974
Anne, Mate win horse police, urge security

...The young couple made the trip to the royal country residence in Anne's Scimitar sports car. The trip to Windsor marked Anne's first meeting with her mother and father Prince Philip since a gunman tried to kidnap her near Buckingham Palace. The queen and Philip returned Saturday from a state visit to Indonesia.
Governement officials said the queen was given a police report urging tighter security for members of the royal family, including training for royal drivers to use their cars as battering rams in case of ambush.
The officials said a report into security gaps around the royal family was hurriedly written by London's police chief Sir Robert Mark after last week's kidnap attempt on Princess Anne near Buckingham Palace.
Police have charged Ian Ball, 26, with the attempted murder of Anne's bodyguard, one of four persons wounded in the attack Wednesday night, and said they found a prepared ransom demand.

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 01:01 AM
Positive VETTING

From SPYCATCHER

Cuckney handed us the current MI5 internal directory and explained how the Service was organized. There were six Directorates: A Branch handled resources; B Branch was the Personnel Department; C Branch controlled protective security and vetting throughout all government installations; D Branch was Counterespionage; E Branch ran British Intelligence, in the still lengthy list of colonies and was responsible for the counterinsurgency campaigns in Malaya and Kenya; and finally F Branch was the domestic surveillance empire, which principally meant keeping tabs on the Communist Party of Great Britain, and especially its links in the trade union movement.

http://www.e-reading-lib.org/bookreader.php/1015471/Wright_-_Spycatcher.html

In 1973 under the new CSS or 'C' Sir Maurice Oldfield operations were to strictly controlled and scrupulous in their adherence to the wishes of the Government.

source
AFI RR90 UK INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY - Cryptome

Heavily edited wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Maurice_Oldfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Oldfield)

special 'C' signature
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5918467/MI6-boss-Sir-John-Scarlett-still-signs-letters-in-green-ink.html

Friends of Oldfield
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster15.pdf

Seems entirely possible that Maurice had significant involvment with vetting in the 70's. I think Tressy was 50 ish in 1982 when he resigned. Oldfield was 66 when he died in 1981.

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 01:20 AM
On a completely different note

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN9QiIlCIAE47o1.jpg:small

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 01:29 AM
Just linking to a new thread - food for thought - esp in light of Jillings/Waterhouse

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061584807&postcount=1

discovery77
30-06-2013, 01:52 AM
Coincidence?

1981, 4th August (Royal Wedding) - Vishal Mehrotra goes missing on way home to Putney, less
than a mile from Elm Guest House, whilst 'Kings and Queen's' at Rocks Lane in full swing.
Body found in 1982 in woodland in Sussex.
http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.co...-boys-stopped/

1981, 5th August - a man is discovered in shrubbery in the grounds of Buck Palace. He is bewildered and incoherent
and either can not or will not indicate the point at which he had climbed the wall. He is taken to a mental hospital.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/19/buckingham-palace-security#column_20w

discovery77
30-06-2013, 02:04 AM
I count at least 14 breaches of security at Buck Palace from May 1979 just up to 19 July 1982 here , as previous press reports dont detail breaches of perimeter security too.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/19/buckingham-palace-security#column_20w

Very unusual.

discovery77
30-06-2013, 02:06 AM
Another breach that wasnt noted because it was only perimeter break in;

1982, June 19th - MET'S Special Patrol Group of 60 officers raid Elm Guest House, (this when 17-year-old rent boy who
acted as ‘in-house masseur’ was detained & who also appeared on dr who & Royal Command performance), resulting
in charges being brought for running a disorderly house. Police found a ''huge store of pornographic material including
video tapes''. There were also whips, chains and ropes.'' 2 under - cover officers were embedded as guests making secret
radio recordings in a plastercast. Less than 10 people present at the house during raid. Warrants for Carol and Haroon's
arrests issued from Bow Street Magistrates COurt. Arrested under prevention of Terrorism Act which means access to solicitor
denied for 24 hours.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...candal-1726771

1982, June 19th - other charges of neglect of a child, (by Carole, Haroon and William Everett) on OR before, alleged from this
point. On AND before living wholly or in part off the livings of a prostitute (acquitted), knowingly permitted the place to
be used for prostitution, (acquitted) on AND before this date, and William Everett for published on OR before this date obscene
articles.
- Link to full charge sheet - ''Elm Guest House Charge Sheet''. Charges state Haroon Kasir, Carole Kasir and William Everett''on or before 12th June
1982 kept a disorderly house at 27 Rocks Lane, Barnes, London SW 13.'' And that ''on or before the 19th June 1982'' the
three ''neglected'' (redacted) ''in a manner likely to cause him unecessary suffering''. Chris Fay notes that
despite this Social Services was not informed by the police nor a Place Of Safety Order issued alongside the warrant from
the magistrate. It was only done AFTER the raid. Also points to heavy involvement of William Everett.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/category/fernbridge/

1982, June 21st - Prince William born at St Mary's Hospital, London.

1982, June 21st - man climbs over a gate at the front of Buck palace and is arrested running across the forecourt.
He is taken to a mental hospital.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/19/buckingham-palace-security#column_20w

2 days after raid

discovery77
30-06-2013, 02:10 AM
Yet another completely unrelated turn of events

1981, December - Nicholas Fairbairn's (Elm House documents) " political star in the descendant". House of Commons
secretary, with whom he has been having an affair, is allegedly found trying to hang herself from a lamppost outside
his London home. He manages to stay on as Solicitor General for Scotland until the following year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituaries--sir-nicholas-fairbairn-1573984.html

EDIT -OOPS MISSED ONE;
1981, December 11th - person climbs over wall or railings of Buck Palace and is sighted/arrested.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/19/buckingham-palace-security#column_20w

1981, December 23rd - a man runs through an open gate at the front of Buck palace. He is arrested immediately, but
later released.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/19/buckingham-palace-security#column_20w

1981, December 31st - Date Geoffrey Prime was charged and alleged to have stopped "conveying information" after 14 years as a spy.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19820721&id=XdNYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QecDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3928,7038615

(a pattern of commiting to mental hospitals too of course, just a bunch of nutters arent they)

horrified
30-06-2013, 02:18 AM
@horrified

from FREEBMD reg June 1957 it is known that Leida's name was Peets

COSTIGAN Ann PEETS Barnet 5a 992

thankyou UnseenInfluencer yes I remember someone did some good geneaology digging before way up thread - well that doesn't sound very Italian (albeit with a british passport) or Russian or Estonian does it? Will go back and re-search on the thread for discusssion of that surname at the time and in light of Joe's info in adventures of an aircraft designer

tangodeltafoxtrot
30-06-2013, 02:35 AM
An addendum to my previous post relating to EAST ENDERS PAEDO RING


Enders paedo revealed
THIS is the sinister paedophile who lured boys on to the EastEnders set.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061577440&postcount=70631

JAMES CHALKLEY AND HIS TWIN BROTHER - NOW DEAD - SUSPECTED DOUBLE SUICIDE




http://travel.aol.co.uk/2013/05/24/british-twins-dead-suicide-plastic-bags-on-heads-spain/



Costa del crime.......... Max ...............Charities...............YEWTREE.... ........PAEDO Rings.............HOLLAND.

Funny smell in the air.

F***ing heck. :eek:

discovery77
30-06-2013, 02:37 AM
Sorry if covered but just realised from this article that Trestrails solicitor who represented him for examination of a security leak was bloody David Napley- same as Harvey Proctor, Thorpe, go to guy for the dodgies. :mad: hence there was no breach.....
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19821125&id=JsJAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=96UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2858,4736499

oonalu
30-06-2013, 02:46 AM
Fast-forward 20 years. A friend of mine is doing an hilarious impression of a conversation he had with the late and brilliant Anthony Burgess in a BBC dressing room, while being made up for a show. “Jimmy Savile, the most evil man in Britain. Goes the length and breadth of Britain in a sinister charabanc, sodomising children. The BBC have it all, have it all, done nothing with it,” Burgess is alleged to have said. Anyone who ever met the wonderful Burgess, knows that the quote just has to be true.



http://lanotsoconfidential.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/is-spit-on-his-grave-if-he-still-had.html

discovery77
30-06-2013, 03:19 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7NjMZ1yAQWQ/T8e_VJ6TS-I/AAAAAAAAB-A/CL-Ww4c9qqQ/s320/July%2B21%2B%2B82-JAKEveningStandard.JPG
Loads of cartoons from Trestrail times here, some bit dodgy
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LiOLyRdq_4o/T8fAjpFI0wI/AAAAAAAAB_k/x_FnE5ViPp4/s320/july%2B31%2B82%2Bspectator.jpg
http://ukjarry.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/413-michael-trestrail.html
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-By6Fb5fKVqI/T8e_WsG8PVI/AAAAAAAAB-w/iqppoxcSS7w/s320/july%2B28%2B82a%2Bpunch.jpg
mentions "known client" Napley ;-)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qs2MAeNbJlQ/T8fDAEbZ5hI/AAAAAAAACAo/JSs5Efrer3Q/s1600/Dec3%2B82PE.jpg


"who had been asked to prepare a report conluding that nothing had gone wrong" ;-)
Private Eye 18th June 82
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lSk4AbYU4tY/SFUS5nM1HUI/AAAAAAAAAYY/m68tqsBB1GE/s320/PE18June82.jpg

troyhand
30-06-2013, 03:55 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=0vllAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bIwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1535,4823493
The Vancouver Sun - Nov 10, 1982

Russian agent Geoffrey Prime gets 35 years

LONDON (CP) - Russian-language expert Geoffrey Prime, a former translator at Britain's electronic intelligence-gathering centre, was sentenced today to 35 years in prison after pleading guilty to charges of spying for the Soviet Union.
The Briton was sentenced to an additional three years after pleading guilty to charges of sexually molesting three young girls. Police were led to Prime's spying activities by his sexual attraction to young girls.
"By your treachery you have done incalculable harm to the interests and security of this country, and the interests and security of our friends in the (NATO) alliance," Lord Chief Justice Lane said in passing sentence on Prime, who pleaded guilty to seven counts of spying over the last 15 years.
The chief justice said Prime, 44, was a "ruthless and rationally motivated spy."
The British government said Prime's codename was Rowlands and that when he met Soviet agents, they would say, "I believe we met in Pittsburgh in 1968," and Prime would reply, "No, at that time I was in Berlin."
British authorities had no suspicion...
"Spy" A2 Spy described as 'lonely misfit'
Continued from page 1 http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=0vllAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bIwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=2230,4830989
(British authorities had no suspicion)...Prime was a spy until he was picked up on the sexual assault charges in Cheltenham, western England, where he had worked for the top-secret Government Communications Headquarters.
His second wife, Rhona, told the court in a trembling voice she had gone to the police with Prime's espionage equipment after discovering it under a bed in their home when he was being held on the sexual assault charges.
Defence counsel George Carman told the hushed courtroom in the Old Bailey Central Criminal Court that Prime acted alone, dealing with two Soviet agents whom he contacted voluntarily while serving as a Royal Air Force intelligence officer in Berlin.
"What you see before you is a desperately lonely and totally inadequate person, a sexual and social misfit," Carman said.
Earlier, prosecutor Sir Michael Havers, Britain's attorney general, said Prime's "treachery" stretched from Dec. 31, 1967, to April 29 (1982) this year and had caused "exceptionally grave damage."
But he added: "There has been much wild speculation... about the nature of the damage for which he is responsible, especially in relation to nuclear warheads and endangering the lives of agents. There is no evidence to support speculation of this kind."
The court went into secret session to hear exactly what secrets Prime gave the Russians but Havers said information was passed to agents in London, Berlin, Vienna and Potsdam, East Germany.
Prime pleaded guilty to three charges of indecently assaulting girls aged between 11 and 14, for which he was originally arrested last April 27.He was charged under Britain's Official Secrets Act with communicating information that was "calculated to be, or might be, or was intended directly or indirectly to be, of use to an enemy."
Britain has been plagued by spy scandals since the Second World War. Among the Soviet agents who have been uncovered since 1951 are Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean, Harold (Kim) Philby, Leo Long and the art advisor to Queen Elizabeth, Sir Anthony Blunt.
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http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2012/04/16/geoffrey-prime-hereford/
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=kwItAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Qc8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=941,1735111
The Palm Beach Post - May 13, 1983
Prime May Not Have Been Alone in Leaks

discovery77
30-06-2013, 04:16 AM
til april 29 1982 on that article, unlike Sydney Gerald! interesting! so middle of the Falklands war included, not before christmas 81!

just noticed I put Sydney Gerald instead of Herald, but am leaving it because I like it!

must.....sleep.......night

troyhand
30-06-2013, 04:41 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nsRAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9qUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=5980,3535796
The Glasgow Herald - May 18, 1986

Woman claims she is scapegoat in Prime case

A FORMER colleague of Russian spy Geoffrey Prime claimed yesterday the Security Commission had made her a scapegoat in the Cheltenham scandal.
Miss Dorothea Barsby condemned the commission's report as a "whitewash" which attempted to cover up for incompetence within the security services.
Miss Barnsby, 34, a former personnel officer, who stood as a Conservative candidate in the recent local government elections in England denied she was told that Prime was a Soviet spy before she gave him a reference during a Government security vetting.
She said when she was later told by Prime's first wife, Helena, that he had claimed to be spying, she had treated the story as "hearsay."
Prime's admission had come out in a "blazing row" over a packet of money which Mrs Prime had found in her husband's pocket.
Miss Barsby said of her conversation with Mrs Prime: "She did not believe it and neither did I."
She added: "I did not know he was spying. I had no reason to suppose that."
Her comments were in direct contradiction to the report of the Security Commission, which last week accused her of failing to unmask Prime as a traitor.
Miss Barsby, of London Road, Dartford, Kent, was named last week in the commission's report on the Prime case.
Last November Prime was sentenced to 35 years for spying for the Russians at the Government Communications Headquarters in Cheltenham, plus three years for sex offences.
The report said Prime confessed he was a spy to his first wife, Helena, in 1973.
It was claimed she told Miss Barsby of her husband's admission of treachery, but Miss Barsby remained silent and later acted as a referee when Prime underwent poisitive vetting.
After the commission's accusations, Miss Barsby went into hiding. The Government has confirmed that no action will be taken against her.
She emerged to face the press yesterday at the London offices of her solicitor, Mr Michael Rubinstein, who represented traitor Anthony Blunt.
Miss Barsby read a prepared statement and then answered questions. She said she felt "bitterly angry and hurt," by the affair.
The Security Commission's report was an attempt to shelter the security services from further "investigation into their blunders," she claimed.
She said: "What the report is all about is that the security services were quite justified in not catching Geoff Prime during his career as a spy - but that it is all my fault for not having done their job for them.
"If you read the report you will see that it is just a departmental whitewash for the services who failed to catch Prime and all the others.
"Their only point is that it's not their fault - it's mine. They are using me as a scapegoat for their poor record, and as an excuse to bring in the lie detector. They probably need one."
Miss Barsby said the report accused her of confessing that she already knew Prime was a soviet spy when she was interviewed by a positive vetting information officer in 1973.
She continued: "That's what the Security Commission has to say about me because it lets the security services off the hook.
"In fact, all I knew was that Prime was a most unhappy man, and I did not know he was an onworthy husband to my friend.
"When she asked me to give a reference for Prime, I did not want to, because I did not like them. I did it for her.
"I had no idea I was being used as a referee for a man who was engaged in top secret service work."
The positive vetting information officer who interviewed Miss Barsby was about "60 years old," she said.
"The Security Commission says it could not interview the positive vetting information officer because he is dead. But it could have interviewed me."
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o_rourke
30-06-2013, 04:57 AM
I think we almost always have to bear in mind that many many of these celebs may also have been victims or have been MK ultrad.

We really need to focus on their management, their agents etc.

We can't just settle for a big named celeb sports star for instance, as being the one outed, when it goes further than that. Much much further in fact.

So yes, the connections are good, but whoever posts those connections should at least make it clear that certain celebs are part of the circle in that they may also have been entrapped and webbed into the circle.

I think its important for anyone reading this thread that the chain is very high up and that all manner of people have been entrapped in it.

It's the higher ups we really should be concentrating on at this stage of the thread...............and imo everything else is irrelevant.

o_rourke
30-06-2013, 05:07 AM
I would also like to say that I would enjoy reading this thread if certain posters sorted their posts into paragraphs....ie with some spaces between them.

I don't know about anyone else, but I find big blocks of text totally unreadable and can't be arsed to read those posts.

But maybe that's the point.........Anders might say :cool:

bjoern
30-06-2013, 06:16 AM
I dont understand , why so many useres of this forum have so ugly Avatar pics and even pics of that ugly face of that pedophile Jimmy Saville.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

troyhand
30-06-2013, 07:16 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10149626/Boarding-school-at-centre-of-sex-abuse-claims-to-close.html
The Telegraph - 28 Jun 2013
Boarding school at centre of sex abuse claims to close
A troubled £39,000-a-year boarding school at the centre of sex abuse claims is to close.

The Stanbridge Earls School, which was branded the “Lord of the Flies” school by parents, has been accused of turning a blind eye to years of abuse amongst pupils, and is currently being investigated by police.

It will cease to exist from December 1, when another school will replace it on the 54 acre grounds in Romsey, Hampshire, parents were informed by letter this morning.

The letter pointed out that the school had for a “considerable time” been facing difficulties which are the “legacy of past events”.

Interim headmistress Maggie McMurray told parents that the school is facing financial difficulties as local authorities have refused to place students there.

The school’s alumni include film director Guy Ritchie, who suffers with dyslexia. He was expelled at the age of 15, although the reasons remain unclear.

The announcement follows a Special Educational Needs and Disability Tribunal which found earlier this year the school failed to protect a pupil who claimed to have been raped twice, and then discriminated against her by excluding her.

Police are now investigating a number of claims of alleged assaults between pupils, and reviewing allegations that the 15-year-old autistic girl was raped on the grounds.

Hampshire Police is also investigating allegations of perverting the course of justice, and may refer officers involved in the handling of the original claims about the school to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

In one alleged incident at the school a girl, then 12, was forced to strip by a group of boarders in March 2011. The girl, who suffers with learning disabilities, has made three further allegations of sexual assault.

Her mother claims she was informed by police that evidence of the assault was found in emails between two teachers.

Another mother, whose autistic daughter is alleged to have been sexually assaulted by and raped within the space of two weeks in June 2011, said when the allegations emerged: “The behaviour [at the school] was like something out of Lord of the Flies.”

Both Ofsted and the Independent Schools Inspectorate (ISI) provided the special needs school with glowing reports while sexual assaults were allegedly taking place.

Ofsted has since taken disciplinary action against some of the staff involved in their investigation of the school and have made a number of emergency inspections.

In May the Department for Education gave the school's leadership an ultimatum to get their house in order or to close.

Previous head teacher Peter Trythall stood down in April.
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http://www.stanbridgeearls.co.uk/pdfs/2010%20isi%20inspection%20report.pdf
INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS INSPECTORATE

STANBRIDGE EARLS SCHOOL
STANDARD INSPECTION
FINAL VISIT

Full Name of School Stanbridge Earls School
DCSF Number 850/6065
Registered Charity Number 307342
Address Stanbridge Earls School
Stanbridge Lane
Romsey
Hampshire
SO51 0ZS
Telephone Number 01794 529400
Fax Number 01794 511201
Email Address [email protected]
Head Mr Geoff Link
Chair of Governors Mr David Beeby
Age Range 10 to 19
Total Number of Pupils 185
Gender of Pupils Mixed (147 boys; 38 girls
Numbers by Age 10 to 19: 185
Number of Day Pupils 34
Number of Boarders Total: 151
Full: 151
Inspection date 02 Feb 2010 to 03 Feb 2010
Final (team) visit 01 Mar 2010 to 03 Mar 2010
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THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SCHOOL.
1.1 Stanbridge Earls School is a co-educational day and boarding school for pupils of ten to nineteen years. It was founded in 1952 on its present 52-acre woodland site on the edge of the New Forest, in an adapted and extended former manor house dating back to the sixteenth century together with purpose-built accommodation.
Recent projects include an indoor swimming pool, the development of a music school, complete refurbishment of science facilities and the installation of new information communication technology (ICT) facilities and resources. A new sixth form boarding house is under construction. The school aims to provide a high standard of pastoral care, developing confidence and self esteem and assisting all pupils to reach their potential within a family environment. The school is governed by a council of fourteen governors supported by an Executive Committee which works in conjunction with three further committees, Education, Finance and Property and Risk.
1.2 Currently the school has 185 pupils on roll, of these 37 are girls and 3 of the pupils attend school part-time. The majority of pupils are boarders. Pupils come from diverse backgrounds, representing as many as 20 different nationalities and from all areas of the UK. The school specialises in teaching pupils with specific learning difficulties and those with statements of special educational needs (SEN). This may include pupils who have been badly bullied, had serious illness or become school phobic. The school delivers individual learning programmes within a broad curriculum supported by a varied extracurricular programme. Four specialized centres provide one to one tuition for children with dyslexia, dyscalculia, with speech and language deficits, dyspraxic problems and a life skills course. Of the 185 pupils on roll 163 have specialist help. Sixty-six pupils have SEN. Nine pupils have English as an additional language (EAL) and of these, four receive support for their English. Standardised baseline tests show that around two-thirds of pupils are of below average ability, with 12% above average. The overall ability profile of the school is below the national average. The school enters pupils for GCSE and A Level examinations and a wide variety of other certificated courses.
1.3 National Curriculum nomenclature is used throughout this report to refer to year groups in the school.
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THE SUCCESS OF THE SCHOOL AND ACTION POINTS
2.(a) Main findings
2.1 The achievements of pupils at Stanbridge Earls School are excellent; pupils make outstanding progress within the highly appropriate curriculum supported by expert teaching. Many of the pupils have experienced great social and academic difficulties before they join the school. However, the understanding throughout the school of the needs of pupils with SEN, the excellent resources, careful academic and pastoral monitoring and the personal knowledge all staff have of their pupils makes the school a highly positive environment in which pupils develop excellent attitudes to their learning and relationships with both their peers and the staff. As they move through the school pupils understand how they are progressing and develop great motivation to sustain their success.
2.2 The personal development of pupils is outstanding. The arrangements and systems for the welfare of the pupils are of high quality, creating a calm and safe environment for pupils. The disciplinary system, with its emphasis on the positive, supports the development of self-control and self-awareness and pupils achieve highly supportive relationships with peers, learn to solve problems and to avoid confrontation. The school council gives the pupils a valued voice. In both the questionnaire and interviews pupils spoke highly of the support they receive in all areas and the positive experience they have of life at the school. The pupils form a generous community, working hard to support charities and to offer their support to local organisations. Pupils of many cultures live harmoniously together and enjoy celebrating festivals. The commitment of the management team and staff to the progress and well-being of pupils is outstanding.
2.3 The common vision and the aims of the school are fulfilled through the close links between the governors and management of the school. The governors have detailed oversight and understanding of the work of the school and fulfil their legal responsibilities. Highly effective development planning has been established by the management team supported by the governors. Major developments in a number of areas have been completed and the construction of a new senior boarding house is in progress. Refurbishments and new buildings are of high quality to support pupils’ learning and personal development. Careful monitoring in all areas has contributed to raising the standards of teaching and learning throughout the school. Parents are highly supportive of the standards and work of the school.
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The quality of the pupils’ achievements and their learning, attitudes and skills
3.1 The quality of the pupils’ achievements and their learning, attitudes and skills is outstanding....
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The contribution of curricular and extra-curricular provision (including community links of benefit to pupils)
3.4 The curriculum is outstanding in both the ways it meets the needs of the pupils, and fulfils the aims of the school...

3.5 All staff contribute to both regular weekday activities and to the varied programme of weekend activities, trips and visits. This results in pupils having many opportunities to experience extra-curricular activities both on and off site including sports, drama, and major school productions. The indoor pool and the sports hall provide excellent facilities for sporting activities and pupils are regularly able to swim as an evening activity. The school offers participation in the Duke of Edinburgh’s Award scheme which enhances the pupils’ education and offers further challenge. Staff offer some unusual activities, for example a “meet the reptiles” session which was mentioned in assembly as well as routine shopping trips, special outings and visits at the weekend. Day pupils said that they sometimes come in for weekend activities which they enjoy. The school curriculum is well supported by varied educational trips to places such as museums and art galleries, and pupils learn in many different ways from the range of residential trips which are planned for the different age groups.

3.6 Successful links with the community have been built through a wide variety of fundraising activities, many of which result from a school fundraising club, activities such as singing in local residential homes and the work of service in the Duke of Edinburgh’s Award scheme.

The contribution of teaching
3.7 Teaching is highly effective in promoting pupils’ progress and fully supports the aims of the school. The strengths in teaching of the school lie in the in-depth knowledge and understanding of the abilities and needs of the pupils shown by all the staff, and their ability to present lessons in ways that enable pupils to learn...
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THE QUALITY OF THE PUPILS’ PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT

The spiritual, moral, social and cultural development of the pupils
4.1 The quality of the pupils’ personal development is excellent, meeting the aim of the school to raise the self-confidence and self-esteem of all pupils “by praising the positive and ensuring that everyone knows that they are important in their own right”.
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4.3 Pupils have a clear sense of morality. They know and understand the difference between right and wrong and have a clear and strong sense of justice. The school council operates successfully and the pupils appreciate the opportunity to express their voice...

4.4 Pupils’ social development is excellent...

4.5 The pastoral care provided by the school is outstanding and fulfils the aim of the school to safeguard the welfare of everyone within the school community.
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4.7 Relationships between staff and pupils and between pupils themselves are excellent. The mutual respect and warm relationships between staff and pupils allow pupils to thrive in a family atmosphere. Staff know their pupils well and provide activities to stimulate and encourage them. They take account of pupils’ organisational and learning difficulties and help pupils to overcome or cope with these problems. Any issues about the care of children are quickly picked up by a robust communication system...

4.8 The safeguarding of pupils is outstanding and policies and procedures meet the regulatory requirements; staff at all levels have received appropriate training...

4.9 The quality of the boarding experience for pupils is outstanding...
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5.1 The quality of governance is judged to be excellent....

5.2 The Council has excellent communications with the head and senior staff...
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5.4 The leadership and management of the school are outstanding...
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5.9 The links between the school and parents are excellent and strongly support the aims of the school...

The inspectors observed lessons, conducted formal interviews with pupils and examined samples of pupils’ work. They held discussions with senior members of staff and with the chair of governors and a governors’ representative, observed a sample of the extracurricular activities that occurred during the inspection period, and attended registration sessions and assemblies. Inspectors visited boarding houses and the facilities for sick or injured pupils. The responses of parents and pupils to pre-inspection questionnaires were analysed, and the inspectors examined regulatory documentation made available by the school.


The National Minimum Standards for Boarding Schools were inspected by one Ofsted inspector over two days.

troyhand
30-06-2013, 07:54 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanbridge_Earls_School

Stanbridge Earls School (known as Stanbridge Earls) near Romsey, Hampshire is an independent school for boys and girls aged 10–19.

The school owns 40 acres (160,000 m2) of land including three lakes. The main building is a Tudor manor house which now contains the reception, maths department and 13th century chapel. It is a Grade II* listed building. The school has many facilities including a sports hall, an indoor swimming pool and an accelerated learning centre.

Since the 1960s, Stanbridge Earls has specialized in teaching and helping pupils with dyslexia, dyscalculia and dyspraxia

HISTORY
The name ‘Stanbridge’ is believed to have derived from ‘Stone Bridge’ a crossing over the River Test, used as a route to a Saxon palace near Andover. One of the first references to the site was made by King Alfred’s tutor. He wrote that Alfred’s father, King Æthelwulf ‘was dead and buried at a place called Stomrugam’ in around AD 857.

Stanbridge Earls, became a Nunnery in the year 907 AD, along with Romsey Abbey. Nuns, led by Elflaeda, daughter of Edward the Elder, son of Alfred the Great, founded a community — at his direction — in what was then a small village. Later, King Edgar refounded the nunnery, circa 960 AD, as a Benedictine house under the rule of St. Ethelflaeda whose devotional acts included chanting psalms while standing naked in the cold water of the River Test.

At some time in the 18th century, a skeleton, thought to be that of King Æthelwulf, was lifted from under the stone floor of the present chapel and reburied in Winchester Cathedral, along with bones of other Saxon Kings that are now contained in mortuary chests.

An unnamed manor, thought to be Stanbridge, is described in the Domesday Book. It was confiscated from a Saxon thane, Chief Cheping, who may have been killed at the Battle of Hastings and given to one of William the Conqueror’s most famous generals, Sir Ralph de Mortimer.

The ‘Manor of Staunbridge’ is recorded in the Book of Fees of 1244 as being owned by the Mortimer family. In 1245 it was sold in two lots and the manor was bought by Richard de Havering.

In 1362, Thomas Kenne inherited property from his parents, including Stanbridge Earls. The estate consisted of a large, rectangular, timber framed hall house, a water mill and about 26 acres (110,000 m2) of land.

By 1450, the original estate had been split into three separate estates, Stanbridge Earls, Ranvilles and Ervilles. They were purchased and reunited by John Kirkby. The estate became wealthy and the son, William, ‘married well’ and bought more land.

Mortimer Coat of Arms
The Kirkbys owned Stanbridge Earls until it was taken from them in 1652 because they had supported King Charles I during the English Civil War. By then, the estate consisted of ‘…sixteen Messuage (houses with outbuildings and land), four cottages, twenty barns, two water mills and one dove house in Stanbridge, Romsey, Roke, Michelmarsh and Awbridge and also free fishing in the River Test.’ Its new owner, Roger Gollop, was a Parliamentarian and magistrate of Southampton.

The estate was passed down the family until it was sold to John Fifield in 1703. An eccentric relative, John Fifield, inherited it in 1748. He refused to let any timber be felled on any of the properties and he regarded repairs to the house as useless extravagance. The building fell into disrepair, roofs collapsed, joists and beams rotted.

Fifield’s son, yet another John, set about rebuilding the house after he inherited it. His son-in-law, Charles Hall, took over the estates until he committed suicide at Stanbridge Earls in 1870. In the following year, Florence Nightingale’s father, William, bought Stanbridge. The property passed to another daughter, Lady Verney who sold it to Sir Basil Montogomery in 1895. Like previous owners, Sir Basil added new sections including two three-storey wings at either end. The house was sold to Henry Hansard in 1905. He commissioned the stained glass coats-of-arms in the present staff common room.

Charles Greenway, perhaps the most flamboyant of Stanbridge’s owners, bought Stanbridge in 1917. In 1927 he was made a Lord after he founded the Anglo-Persian Oil Company and the title Baron Greenway of Stanbridge Earls has stayed in the family. His grandson Ambrose Greenway the 4th Baron of Stanbridge Earls, is one of only 92 hereditary peers allowed to hold their seats in the House of Lords. Charles Greenway was a great host, held many banquets and parties in the house and employed nine house staff, seven gardeners and a chauffeur. The next owner added luxurious bathrooms and entertained on a grand scale but went bankrupt.

In 1942, during the Second World War, Stanbridge Earls became the first ‘Flak Shack’ - a rest and relaxation home for American Air Force Officers. Roke Manor served a similar function and together the bases were known as Station 503.

In the same year, the estate was broken into lots and auctioned. Walter Hutchinson bought the house and approximately 60 acres (240,000 m2).

On Hutchinson’s death in 1950, a Mr Beisley bought ‘…the particularly desirable and extremely valuable historic residence and agricultural estate of nearly 426 acres with an attractive 17th century residence of great charm and character and beautifully situated in timbered grounds with two lodges.’

Stanbridge Earls became a school founded by a charitable trust in 1952 and opened on 15 September with eight pupils. Initially the curriculum focused on Drama, Music and the Arts.

Curriculum
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The school has close links with the Council for the Registration of Schools Teaching Dyslexic Pupils. It belongs to the Boarding Schools Association (BSA), and the Headmaster is a member of the Society of Headmasters and Headmistresses of Independent Schools (SHMIS). In 2010 the school launched an assistive technology programme in partnership with Kellogg College, University of Oxford.
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Adventure training
In the 1960s Geography teacher and 'C' Housemaster, David Charlton, instigated his personal brand of adventure training called LINCS. This acronym stood for Leadership, INitiative, Co-operation & Sagacity. It included challenging physical and mental tasks with an emphasis on individual success, self sufficiency, perseverance and team building. Many activities were involved in LINCS. While participation in LINCS was not compulsory it was strongly encouraged. Unlike many team sports links was LINCS was totally inclusive and did not depend on individual talent. Those pupils who took part often exceeded their own expectations.

LINCS activities were promoted by Charlton who was later joined by Dr Chris Reynolds, a chemistry teacher and housemaster. A typical LINCS event was the 'night operation' or 'night op' in which blindfolded and disorientated participants were taken from school and abandoned, in small groups, in the New Forest with the challenge of finding their way 'back to base'. Negotiating complex night time obstacle courses; zip-line descents across the Top Lake and the annual Speech Day display for parents and visitors, in which a quasi-military scenario was played out, were all examples of what LINCS meant in practice.

A memorable event, in 1970, was a sponsored walk of 80 miles (130 km) to raise funds for the purchase of an extended wheelbase Land Rover for LINCS activities. One pupil, David Tennant (the House Captain of 'D' House) completed the entire course.

LINCS was extended, in the late 1960s, through the rental of farmhouse called Celmi ('concealed place'), near Tywyn, in north west Wales. This was used for residential weekend and holiday activities. The remoteness of the location in the Snowdonia National Park with its stunning scenery including the nearby mountain, Cader Idris were central to the LINCS experience. Rock climbing, abseiling, navigating disused slate mines, walking, camping and swimming were included in the repertoire of outdoor activities.

This ran in parallel with the Duke of Edinburgh Award Scheme, Gold Level standard. Pupils taking part in LINCS had to agree not to collect their Duke of Edinburgh medals as the ethos of LINCS was to appreciate personal achievement, not public glorification.

Myths and stories

There is a tunnel that runs from Main House leading to The Duke's Head, a pub near the school. It has been suggested that it was created by the Kirkby's during the Civil War along with several Priest Holes to protect them from the Parliamentarians.

Stanbridge used to have a large wooden Buddhist temple in the grounds known as the 'Burmese Temple' erected without the use of any nails, but by interlocking hinges. It had been bought from the Great Exhibition and re-erected near the Bottom Lake but was burnt down by a pupil in 1983, who was then expelled.

unseen_influencer
30-06-2013, 08:34 AM
I would also like to say that I would enjoy reading this thread if certain posters sorted their posts into paragraphs....ie with some spaces between them.

I don't know about anyone else, but I find big blocks of text totally unreadable and can't be arsed to read those posts.

But maybe that's the point.........Anders might say :cool:

Also over-use of bolding; posting a huge article in full when a quote of the best bits and a link would be better; posting just a link with no indication of what is to be found there; re-posting something that has been mentioned many times in the past on the assumption that it is a new discovery... I am probably guilty of some of these myself! We are all working for the same cause though.

unseen_influencer
30-06-2013, 10:11 AM
From a post by Trafficker:

"Balthazar Klossowski, better known as Balthus, arguably the last great figurative painter of the 20th century, was infamous for his portraits of adolescents. His pictures of naked or partly clothed girls hitching up their skirts to reveal their knickers slowly began to erode his reputation, so much so that by his death last year he was almost as well known as a supposed "pervert" as a painter."

"Prime Ministers and rock stars alike attended the funeral of Balthus. Bono, lead-singer of U2, sang for the hundreds of mourners at the funeral, including the President of France, the Prince Sadruddhin Aga Khan, supermodel Elle Macpherson, and Cartier-Bresson."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthus


One of Klossowski's sons is Stanislaus or 'Stash':

"The name Stash Klossowski De Rola often gets a mention in various Rolling Stones biographies - a mysterious young aristocrat who got busted with Brian Jones in 1967. Apart from the fact that he was a close friend of Brian's , little was known about Stash. It is a shame, because he certainly was a fascinating figure - In the 1960's, he starred in Luchino Visconti's film, he was a drummer for Vince Taylor, he was a pop singer (he released a single as Stach De Rola in 1967) and was involved in various Hollywood productions - and that's just for starters. He was friends with Stones, Beatles, Syd Barrett, Paul Simon and many other legendary musicians."

http://dandyinaspic.blogspot.ca/2012_03_01_archive.html

Stash was photographed with Sir David Napley, who has been mentioned many times and whose client list speaks for itself:

"Stash (in the middle) with Sir David Napley, QC (left) and chauffeur and roadie of The Rolling Stones Tom Keylock (right). June 2nd 1967. "

http://the60sfashion.com/


The Imperial Society of Knights Batchelor: not mentioned on here in the past

"At various times proposals had been made to petition the King for a Royal Charter, but no action had been taken. The Regulations of the Constitution had been revised in 1962. In 1981 it was again decided to petition The Queen for a Royal Charter for the Society. The work on drafting this was undertaken by Sir Arthur Driver, Registrar at that time. After much work on his part it was decided to abandon the idea. In its place Sir David Napley drafted further revised rules, which were adopted on 12th May 1986. This effectively gave the Society charitable status, which was accorded by the Charity Commissioners on 5th August 1986 and allowed the Society to assume wider charitable objectives than those of the Chapel Foundation. Further changes were drafted by Sir Richard Gaskell, Knight Principal, in 2001 and accepted by the Council."

http://www.iskb.co.uk/TODAY.htm

unseen_influencer
30-06-2013, 10:52 AM
This former Met. detective's blog has information and opinions (possibly, but understandably, biassed) about "the Thatcher years":

"The Vegas Trust - The Fraud that had everything! Part One.

In the 1980s under Margaret Thatcher's attempts to open up the London market to the beneficial influence of international capital flows, London became the fraud capital of Europe. Every dodgy con-man, snake-oil salesman, share pusher, bunko merchant, Ponzi scheme promoter, and even US mafia-connected securities dealers, boiler room operators and 'paper hangers' flooded into London to take advantage of the big financial free-for-all that Mrs Thatcher's philosophies regarding free markets would unleash.

The Vegas Trust case for me probably encapsulated everything that was wrong with the entire financial sector and those who regulated it, operated it, legally advised it, judged it, and yes, who policed it, sadly.

It involved straightforward criminals, dubious investment promoters, bent solicitors, amoral barristers, pathetic DTI officials, cowardly senior City bankers, a bunch of terrified solicitors in a City law firm, some arrogant and incompetent middle-ranking police officers, off-shore companies and trusts, and one of the biggest perversions of the course of English justice that I had ever personally witnessed. After the Vegas Trust case, I no longer believed that literally anything was sacrosanct, and that everything could be bought and sold, including the highest levels of the English legal and judicial system."

"The Vegas Trust - The Fraud that had everything! Part Three.

The next move was that Sir David Napley, the country's leading criminal solicitor demanded that I hand over all the evidence in my possession against the solicitor, for whom he was now acting. I refused on the grounds that until the DPP made a decision as to charges, he was not entitled to see the evidence. The DPP let me know that they wouldn't force me to hand over the evidence, but this did not stop Sir David from still lobbying them hard for me to give up all the evidence against his client. He argued that it was no light decision to prosecute a solicitor, and the evidence should be properly scrutinised before charges were brought. This was an unheard-of move, it had never happened before in my experience, and again I refused to give up the documents."

http://rowans-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/vegas-trust-fraud-that-had-everything.html

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 01:23 PM
Late 1970's early 1980's

Difficult years for Thatcher - cover-ups and scandals galore.

Linking to the theme of the Government's desperation to NOT relive Profumo, Cambridge 5, there's also this:



Margaret Thatcher in cover-up after Czech spy exposed John Stonehouse

Prime minister agreed at meeting in 1980 the Labour minister should not be confronted with allegations

Alan Travis, home affairs editor
The Guardian, Thursday 30 December 2010

Stonehouse czech spy
John Stonehouse on his way to court to face 21 charges, including fraud, in 1975. Photograph: Ken Towner / Evening News / Rex

Margaret Thatcher agreed to a cover-up when information from a Czech defector confirmed in 1980 that John Stonehouse, the former Labour minister who "did a Reggie Perrin", had been a spy.

At a Downing Street meeting on 6 October 1980 with her home secretary, William Whitelaw, and attorney-general Sir Michael Havers, Thatcher agreed that Stonehouse should not be confronted with the new information nor prosecuted.

The decision to keep secret Stonehouse's espionage followed hard on the heels of the exposure in 1979 of Sir Anthony Blunt, the surveyor of the Queen's pictures, as a Soviet spy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/30/margaret-thatcher-spying-john-stonehouse

So - Blunt unmasked in 1979 (although no mention of his being a Royal relative and the fact Queen mum and QEII KNEW Blunt was a spy)

Stonehouse 'cover-up in 1980

Seems like they knew that the whole system was infiltrated - security on all fronts - including ''break-ins and breaches' at Buck House was riddled with holes . The full extent of the Blunt/Burges/MacLean infiltration was unknown (maybe).

The 'honey traps' set up by meye5/6 from Kincora to CONTROL Northern Ireland issues were unravelling - (ELM was going to explode in their faces shortly).

Doubtless for all the blackmail data the UK had amassed from the child brothels set up by secret services were also well known to OTHER 3rd party organisations.

The tool for control and supplying data to the DIRT BOOK to be used to control politicians internally - could also be used to subvert from an external source........

Seems as if the monster that they created had got out of control - and was biting back.

SAVILE was their secret weapon (?) - wheeling and dealing, gathering intelligence and covering-up - keeping control via his nationwide network of ''helpers' (like the paid-off members of his coffee morning clubs in W Yorks).

Is this what Chas meant when he gifted Savile the cufflinks and said 'Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country''??

(This country being the royals and establishment - the rest of the people are regarded as commodities)

Edit

This exclusive focus on non-normative sexuality [...] clearly manifests a desire to find some marker of difference or exceptionality that could, if only ex post facto , help to identify a spy.

Pages 8/9 article
http://www.britishpoliticssociety.no/British%20Politics%20Review%2003_2012.pdf

Seems that the BLUNT/Soviet SPY episode linked homosexuality with Russian spy - hence the attitude to male relationships.

If this was the case, it would go some way to explain the drive to legalise homosexual/inter-gender relationships and place them in the open. No chance of subversion and blackmail.

HOWEVER - this is is well away from the issue of PAEDOPHILIA - the rape and abuse of CHILDREN - of which BLUNT and so many others have been openly accused.

Is this what drove the obvious attempts to reduce the 'age of consent' to virtually zero?

If (and we can assume they do) the establishment KNEW/KNOWS the scale of abuse and depravity and infiltration - and thus the risks of that information being used as a CONTROL mechanism - then this goes a long way to explaining why they are desperate to cover-up whilst they attempt to normalise the behaviour, by indoctrinating children from primary school age. (Not to mention the lucrative porn industry and recreational aspects for participants in this VILE industry)

discovery77
30-06-2013, 01:28 PM
Yet again I feel the need to say that this is a democracy, and people should be able to post what they want as long as its not deliberately distracting. If they feel they cant or restricted they may go elsewhere. Nobody is a guardian of the thread, with an overriding say. If you dont like may I politely suggest ignore button? Bigger fish to fry than eachother. Thanks. :)

jayjay107
30-06-2013, 01:33 PM
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Sir John Russell (1960-1978)
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goodness
30-06-2013, 01:41 PM
30 June , 2013
Sunday

SIGN THIS PETITION - To be delivered to:
The British & Portuguese Government

DIG UP THE MURAT DRIVEWAY, AND GIVE MADDIE JUSTICE- Crush the government cover-up


http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/DIGGING_FOR_MADELEINE_MCCANN_CAMPAIGN_The_Murat_re ar_driveway/?rc=fb&pv=2

Why this is important

In July 2012, South African businessman, Stephen D.Birch after 2 years of investigation and an intial cost to himself of £50 000, discovered something was buried beneath the Murat rear gravel driveway.The driveway was build in early 2008, and is the second driveway on a property called Casa Liliana.

YouTube: Madeleine Mccann Stephen Birch-- The property owned by an initial suspect in the case, is located 130 meters/ 426 feet from holiday apartment 5A Ocean club, in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
On the 3rd May 2007, three year old Madeleine Mc Cann disappeared from apartment 5A, and has never been seen since.
Stephen's findings made World Headlines in 255 mainstream newspapers around the world.

Despite the findings and photos also appearing 17 times in Portugal's largest newspaper Correio da Manha , and Stephen petitioning Portugal's Prime Minister, and Attorney General, the Portuguese government has to date refused to dig up the Murat driveway. 5 International experts, in the use of ground penetrating radar equipment, have all examined scans taken of the Murat driveway, and have recommended excavating the driveway immediatelyexpert opinions:


From Spivey
Madeline McCann!

Another story that I just don’t buy, least of all because the paedophiles Prince Big Ears and Gordon ‘deadeye’ Brown are involved.

Then there is the corruption with the Leicestershire police top brass which points to links with freemasonry, of which, Gerry McCann, Big Ears, and Bodger Brown are also all heavily involved.

I know that Satanism is way beyond the scope of a lot of peoples thinking range when it comes to the Royals and Politicians.

Never the less, I am convinced both Big Ears and the equally obnoxious Brown are both heavily into devil worship and child sacrifice. Devil worship is of course synonymous with the higher echelons of freemasonry.

Notably, the sacrifice of the first born child is common practice in Satanism. David Icke talks at length about this in his book the biggest secret.


http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=11400

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Madeleine+Mccann+Parents+Attend+International+-LhZcv1rexom.jpg

marlowe
30-06-2013, 01:49 PM
What the fuck is happening with Fernbridge? Has it been shut down? What happened to the celebrity chefs, the film director and the platinum selling pop star?

jayjay107
30-06-2013, 01:52 PM
Sir Conrad Marshall John Fisher Swan, KCVO, KGCN, KCFO, FSA, FRHSC (born 1924) was a long-serving officer of arms at
the College of Arms in London. Having been first appointed to work at the College in 1962, he rose to the office of Garter Principal
King of Arms in 1992, a position he held until 1995. He was the first Canadian ever to be appointed to the College of Arms.

Conrad Swan was born in 1924 in British Columbia, Canada. His father was descended from the Polish noble family of Święcicki
(Coat of arms of Jastrzębiec). After emigrating to Canada in 1884 the family surname became Swan.

In addition to his educational achievements, Swan developed an exceptional heraldic career. He was first appointed Rouge Dragon
Pursuivant of Arms in Ordinary in 1962 and six years later became York Herald of Arms in Ordinary. In these capacities, he was among
the Earl Marshal’s staff for the State Funeral of Sir Winston Churchill in 1965, the Investiture of the Prince of Wales in 1969,
and was Gentleman Usher-in-Waiting to Pope John Paul II during his visit to the United Kingdom in 1982.

Swan was appointed Garter Principal King of Arms in 1992 on the retirement of Sir Alexander Colin Cole. His own retirement came in 1995,
after having been diagnosed with cancer. At the time, some allegations were made in a newspaper article concerning his decision, in his
capacity as Genealogist of the British Association of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, with regard to the grade in which one of his
sons-in-law should enter the Order. He denied these allegations, noting that he had never been interviewed by any reporter on this subject.

Sir Conrad Swan was the first herald to execute official duties in-tabard across the Atlantic Ocean and in the southern hemisphere. He did
so in Bermuda in 1969 and in Brisbane in 1977. He was instrumental in the creation of the Honours System of Antigua and Barbuda, and
between 1964 and 1967, Swan was an adviser to the Prime Minister of Canada on the establishment of the National Flag of Canada
and the Order of Canada. Swan also took a special interest in Saskatchewan, helping the province to obtain a full coat of arms from the
Queen in 1986 and a new Great Seal in 1991. He advised the province on the establishment of the Saskatchewan Order of Merit in 1985
and the Saskatchewan Volunteer Medal in 1995 and the recent expansion of the provincial honours system (notably the Commemorative
Medal for the Centennial of Saskatchewan).

Swan was knighted by Her Majesty The Queen in 1994 as a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (KCVO). He is also
a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Nation of Antigua and Barbuda (KGCN), Knight of Honour and Devotion of the
Order of Malta, Cross of Commander of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland, Knight's Cross of the Order of the
Grand Duke Gediminas (Lithuania), Knight Grand Cross of Justice of the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George,
Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Order of Francis I (GCFO) and Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Order of the Lion of Rwanda.

He is also a Knight of the Most Venerable Order of St. John of Jerusalem and Knight Principal of the Imperial Society of
Knights Bachelor (1995–2000); Commander (with Star) of the Royal Norwegian Order of Merit; Grand Cross with Grand Collar of
the Imperial Order of the Holy Trinity (Ethiopia); Coronation Medal of the King of Tonga. He received the Commemorative Medal for
the Centennial of Saskatchewan in 2005.

In 1957, Swan married Lady Hilda Susan Mary Northcote (born 23 July 1937 — died 4 December 1995), Serving Sister Most
Venerable Order of St. John, Dame of Honour and Devotion Sovereign Military Order of Malta; Dame of Justice (SMO) of
Constantine St. George; and President, St. John's Ambulance Society Suffolk.

Lady Hilda was the younger daughter of Henry Stafford Northcote, the 3rd Earl of Iddesleigh, and granddaughter of author
Marie Adelaide Belloc Lowndes. She died in Boxford, Suffolk, when she was hit by a car, which did not stop. She was 58 years old

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Swan

discovery77
30-06-2013, 01:54 PM
Its certainly clear that Thatcher's government was riddled with spies and double/triple agent spies. Like WW says this time period is a hotbed of threat and containment - from all angles. Add in a war, and its mind blowing.
And another one, Ray Mawby

"He became Member of Parliament for Totnes in 1955, and was assistant Postmaster General from 1963 to 1964. Mawby actively campaigned against legalising male homosexual acts.[3] In 1983 he was deselected as an MP."

.."(6 February 1922[1] – 22 July 1990) was a British Member of Parliament for the Conservative Party and a junior Minister, who was in the pay of 2nd Directorate of the General Staff of the Czechoslovak People's Army, the communist Czechoslovak Socialist Republic military intelligence service"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Mawby

Conservative interesting, the only Conservative MP known to have spied for a Communist government. Paid by incentive too, £100 per nugget! (c1,500 now).

discovery77
30-06-2013, 02:05 PM
Ooh am off to watch this, with Ray Mawby.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/gay_rights/12008.shtml

SYNOPSIS
Michael Dean hosts a discussion about the two-part 'Man Alive' report on homosexuality in Britain. The panellists, writer Maureen Duffy, social psychologist Michael Schofield, Conservative MP Ray Mawby and an unnamed general practitioner, debate whether it was appropriate to show the programmes at 8pm and question the broadcasts' balance in only including homosexual contributors. The conversation also covers wider issues, including people being blackmailed because of their sexuality, homosexuals working in positions of trust and the consideration that one in 20 people might be gay.

The programmes under discussion here, 'Consenting Adults: The Men' and 'Consenting Adults: The Women', are also available in this collection.

EDIT go to around 15:50

jayjay107
30-06-2013, 02:05 PM
Sir David Napley (25 July 1915 – 24 September 1994) was a well-known and influential English solicitor.

Sir David Napley was born in London of Jewish ancestry. He began his articles (the equivalent of a modern-day training contract) in 1935
at the age of only 16.[2] He passed his final examinations with honours two years later and in 1937 immediately set up in partnership with
Sidney Kingsley, establishing internationally recognised law firm Kingsley Napley. The firm quickly established a good reputation. Over the
years his clients would include M.P. Jeremy Thorpe, Princess Michael of Kent, actress Maria Aitken (sister of Jonathan Aitken),
the Foreign Office clerk Sarah Tisdall, M.P. Harvey Proctor, the Queen's bodyguard Commander Michael Trestrail and the family of the
Italian banker Roberto Calvi.

Napley had a particular interest in miscarriages of justice. He was instrumental in setting up the Tom Sargant Memorial lecture and gave
the first lecture in 1989. In that lecture he called for an independent tribunal to deal with miscarriage of justice cases. Partly as a result
of Napley's reputation and wide-ranging influence, the Criminal Cases Review Commission was eventually established 14 years later.

Napley worked on several suspected miscarriages of justice cases, including the famous one-armed bandit murder case in the
early seventies (which inspired the film Get Carter) and the Jock Russell case in 1982. Napley took the one-armed bandit murder case to
the Court of Appeal twice and finally to the House of Lords.

Napley also played a leading part in the formation of the British Academy of Forensic Sciences, which supports research into miscarriages
of justice.

From 1963, Napley was chairman of the Law Society's Standing Committee on Criminal Law. From 1971 he served on the Criminal
Law Revision Committee. He was vice-president of the Law Society of England and Wales from 1975 to 1976 and president from
1976 to 1977. Napley was knighted in 1977. In the same year he went to South Africa as an independent observer at the inquest
into the death of Steve Biko.

Napley was instrumental in bringing famous, charismatic barrister George Carman to the public's attention. For many years, Carman
was a well-respected barrister on the Northern Circuit but was relatively unknown in London. However in November 1973, two years after
Carman took silk, Napley saw him at the Old Bailey defending a manager of Battersea Funfair. The man was charged with the manslaughter
of four children after the Big Dipper collapsed. Carman secured a verdict of Not Guilty. At the time, Napley said "It seemed to me the jury
were mesmerised." Napley determined to make further use of Carman; this was only the start of a long professional relationship between them.

Carman was still based in Manchester, however, and Napley briefed him only occasionally during the 1970s. However, in June 1978 Napley
telephoned Carman to tell him that the leader of the Liberal Party (UK), Jeremy Thorpe, was probably going to be committed for trial on charges
of conspiracy to murder and that he was going to retain him. Thorpe was charged on 4 August 1978, resulting in a legal case that made Carman
a household name.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Napley

goodness
30-06-2013, 02:26 PM
May be nothing, odd nonetheless - for one thing - don't most teenage boys want to have girls at their parties?

School boys Trash Multi-Million Dollar Home



http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02603/Arkwright-Road_2603799k.jpg

Kids Trash Multi-Million Dollar Home

Jun. 30, 2013

The sixth form pupils at a top north London private school had rented the £750-a-night house

The house is just yards away from the homes of a number of celebrities, including actor Tom Conti, Esther Rantzen, the TV presenter, and footballer Thierry Henry.

The owner, who did not wish to be named, said she thought they had rented the house for a quiet sleepover but was instead left with a £15,000 repair bill.

“The kitchen knives were out – somebody could have been killed. It was like a looting in my own house.”

Canisters of the “laughing gas” drug were found strewn around the house as well as a plastic bag filled with white powder and other paraphernalia.


“Two or three were singled out and flung to the ground and then flung into a van. Nothing like this ever happens in this neighbourhood.”

Party-goers... left £480 in cash on a table for the damage. Then in a bizarre twist, another boy who would not give his name turned up the next morning and handed the owner a further £3,000.

She also criticised police for not taking the matter seriously enough, saying: “There were drugs everywhere but the police aren’t helping, they say it’s just a civil matter.

The case against a 17-year-old youth charged with a public order offence in connection with disorder in the street after the party was dropped last week. A 17-year-old youth and a 16-year-old have been bailed to return to police at a later date.

http://www.businessinsider.com/public-school-kids-trash-mansion-2013-6

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 03:10 PM
More govtn propoganda nudging

Daniel Kawczynski is the first MP to ever make it known that he is bisexual
Local Tory chairman Robert Osborne said: ‘It was a very brave thing to do'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351674/Tory-makes-history-MP-come-bisexual-gets-standing-ovation-activists-telling-male-partner.html

Is it only a matter of time before we get a n other' public SERVANT being brave enough to out themselves as a paedophile? :rolleyes:

sweetcheeks
30-06-2013, 03:59 PM
@sweetcheeks

Did Tom Watson say anything about the possibility of finding the missing dossiers ?

No, unfortunately he didn't mention the Dicken's dossiers, however he had already said that he had to be careful what he said for legal reasons, so didn't want to push. I did also mention that I knew of someone who had tried to out some of this child abuse and they were being victimized, I told him that there were definitely some 'dark forces' at work and he agreed with me.

I also mentioned Bilderberg and congratulated him on his comment to Kenneth Clarke in Parliament with regard to whether he had declared his trusteeship of the body that funded Bilderberg. I also asked Tom why exactly Bilderberg had charity status and he said that was a very good question!

He also said that after the hacking/Leveson inquiry, he had hoped for some quiet time, but that the child abuse information came to him. He said that it had affected him and his staff deeply and he was very determined to do what he could. I really felt he meant what he was saying.

sweetcheeks
30-06-2013, 04:28 PM
Is this what drove the obvious attempts to reduce the 'age of consent' to virtually zero?

If (and we can assume they do) the establishment KNEW/KNOWS the scale of abuse and depravity and infiltration - and thus the risks of that information being used as a CONTROL mechanism - then this goes a long way to explaining why they are desperate to cover-up whilst they attempt to normalise the behaviour, by indoctrinating children from primary school age. (Not to mention the lucrative porn industry and recreational aspects for participants in this VILE industry)

I think you have hit the nail on the head WW

sweetcheeks
30-06-2013, 06:05 PM
The first section of Kevin Maguire interviewing Tom Watson, with regard to the Righton Files, is now available to listen to on Needleblog.

Tom confirms that following his question at PMQ's in October 2012, 7 boxes of files, hopefully containing clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring, have been found, secured and are being investigated.

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/tom-watson-mp-seven-boxes-of-evidence-recovered/

Thank you to all on The Needle Team, you are doing a superb job!

tangodeltafoxtrot
30-06-2013, 06:08 PM
Are these the files Geoffrey Dickens handed over?

Edit: no sorry appears these are the files used to convict Righton that contain evidence of a wider ring.

lurker
30-06-2013, 06:51 PM
I would also like to say that I would enjoy reading this thread if certain posters sorted their posts into paragraphs....ie with some spaces between them.

I don't know about anyone else, but I find big blocks of text totally unreadable and can't be arsed to read those posts.

But maybe that's the point.........Anders might say :cool:

enjoy? did you really mean 'enjoy' ?

OK, a few posts are funny and break the tension but no one should really enjoy reading this thread. It is not, and should not be seen as, entertainment.
Every post is adding to our knowledge of the massive scandals that are taking place. Every post is worrying and sickening. The only enjoyment we can take from this thread is the thought that one day soon the cracks in the dam will rip open and our children will be freed from the actions of evil people and those who cover-up their vile deeds.

[/rant]

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 07:23 PM
Regarding today's news re the bisexual MP coming out -(to standing ovations) the DM comments were worth reading.

On a humourous note the

"I Spartacus" comment probably held more than a grain of truth....

(Probably needs a closer look at the MP - his sphere of influence - and how readily he could be blackmailed)

It brought to mind this article re Willy Hague - that VERY YOUNG conservative protege of Thatcher.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/197594/William-Hague-s-2005-gay-denial

On a much more serious and horrified note, this article:

HE was a child star but all for the wrong reasons.

He made his debut at just 22-months old - not for a toy store advertisement or even a family friendly PG film. This was for hardcore global pornographic syndication.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/local/17800543/qld-boy-caught-in-global-pedophile-ring/

His horrific introduction to the insidious world of pedophilia dated back to 2005 when his Russian mother sold him for $8,000 to a member of Boy Lovers – a sophisticated global network of men whose sexual preference are boys aged between six and eight years old.

The boy was “adopted” by American Mark J Newton who lived in Brisbane and Cairns with his Australian boyfriend, Peter Truong.

Such was the extent of the abuse, the boy, who will be called Adam for legal reasons, grew up believing the abuse and exploitation was a natural part of his daily existence.

And there we have it.

A gay couple allowed to adopt - because their human rights could not be infringed.

A child - with no rights - no knowledge - an INNOCENT- brought up by abusive perverts -not knowing that life should be very different.

If all a child has ever had is ABUSE - how can they understand that there is any other life or experience?

This is what they are trying to achieve with their indoctrination of children through the school system. This is probably why we have highly publicised 'school teacher'' cases - dividing opinion as to what constitutes ABUSE and GROOMING - and Adult emotion.

If my views are not 'pc' - frankly I don't care. It's my opinion.

abrakebabra
30-06-2013, 07:25 PM
Not sure if it's just me, but it seems like the thread is at something of an impasse lately. 9 months in, 6 months after Anders' passing, not quite sure where the focus or next step lays...? Might just be the ramblings of a committed observer with nothing of real value to add though, so maybe i'll just shut up :o

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 07:33 PM
We have a '***** ******' on the Moss list. Coincidence? :rolleyes:

Nicely highlighted - one to investigate. Certainly worth scrutiny given the timescales. Thanks for all the updates re Tom Watson too. :)



Re coinkydinks..........
I always find it curious how when Elm/Politics/spies come back in the frame, there are a surge of negative comments regarding the thread,focus and direction..........

Coinkydinks - nah - no such thing.

goodness
30-06-2013, 07:36 PM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02603/Arkwright-Road_2603799k.jpg

Youths aggressively confronting officers in the street in Arkwright Road into the early hours of last Thursday (June 6)

Officers were seen marching the youths down Arkwright Road towards Finchley Road. The face-off ended with three people being hauled off in police vans.

Geraldine Marsh, 67, of Arkwright Road, said: “They were all out rioting up and down the street, although it was not political.

More on this news item about school boys at a party in the exclusive Hampstead area - at a home just yards from Esther Ranzten - am wondering if the news report is an accurate description of what was really going on. The Hampstead home, worth £2 million,was supposedly rented to school boys for a sleepover party, according to the owner -who did not want to be named, for £750-a-night. They paid upfront in cash and left few details.

Seems odd that someone who could afford to own a property like this, would rent it out to teenage boys for a one night sleepover. :confused:


From the news photo, the home appears to be this one 31 Arkwright Rd London

https://cbks1.google.com/cbk?output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv&thumb=2&thumbfov=120&ll=51.551573,-0.181567&yaw=329.2&thumbpegman=1&w=300&h=118

Go to google maps street view to get a better picture.

.................................................. .....................................


I searched for homes to rent on this road and this was one of the photos that came up - don't know if it is the same one as where the party was held. The tv is shown on with the Wizard of Oz playing.

http://content.zoopla.co.uk/e3cc19420fa09d7e1ee20d7986ef571d0191aa96.jpg

4 bedroom flat to rent

Arkwright Road, Hampstead, London NW3

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/29150086?image=-1

Less than a mile away is the Tavistock Center

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/32/71/2327196_18c3f0e7.jpg




Also in the neighborhood is a business called Toxic models

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And nearby is Hampstead Heath:

Hampstead Heath (locally known as "the Heath") is a large, ancient London park.

The West Heath is regarded as one of the most notable and safest night-time cruising grounds in London. George Michael has revealed that he cruises on the Heath,

The 1990 film It, an adaptation of the book by Stephen King, featured a fictional American writer who takes up residence at Hampstead Heath.The story revolves around an inter-dimensional predatory life-form, which has the ability to transform itself into its prey's worst fears allowing it to exploit the phobias of its victims. It mostly takes the form of a sadistic, wisecracking clown called "Pennywise the Dancing Clown".

And not far from here is the home of this paedophile:

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/polopoly_fs/co204_12ingram_1_2244487!image/3970823284.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/3970823284.jpg
The Highgate home of paedophile antiques dealer Gerald Ingram may be seized over £13,000 council tax debt

EXCLUSIVE Emma Youle Thursday, June 20, 2013
3:51 PM

A legal battle to recoup £13,000 of unpaid council tax could see the Highgate home of a convicted paedophile seized.

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/polopoly_fs/priorygardenshighgate4_1_2244489!image/1363345370.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/1363345370.jpg

Neighbours hope Gerald Ingram will not return to his home in Priory Gardens, Highgate, on release from prison

People living in Priory Gardens are worried about the return of antiques dealer Gerald Ingram to their street.

The 64-year-old was jailed in September for arranging to sexually abuse two young girls – and residents fear he may pose a risk to children if he returns to his home when released from prison.

Ingram, believed to have lived in the house all his life, was jailed for three years and eight months after he was caught with a bag containing sweets, soft toys and lubricant when he met an undercover police officer he believed was the mother of two children.

During his trial, it was heard that Ingram had fantasised in online chats about the ways he wanted to abuse her fictional daughters, who he believed were aged three and five.

The dealer of antique books was said to have become “addicted” to child pornography and he later admitted to police he had already tried and failed to arrange sex with another young girl.

A total of 436 indecent images were found on his computer, including some depicting child porn, rape and bestiality.




http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/court-crime/public_school_students_trash_2million_hampstead_ho me_in_drug_fuelled_party_1_2252547
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampstead_Heath
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/court-crime/highgate_home_paedophile_antiques_dealer_may_be_se ized_over_13k_council_tax_debt_1_2244490
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/29150086?image=-1
https://plus.google.com/107440080455613116038/about?gl=us&hl=en

ricoso
30-06-2013, 07:47 PM
I thought I would let you know that Voiceforchildren and I were mentioned in the Sunday Express today. The link is below.

http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2013/06/sunday-express-corruption-in-jersey-ted.html

We have also had our work covered in the Guardian on a previous occasion. Tonight I will be appearing on Sky TV. This has to do with a polish national killing six people in Jersey. It goes out at 9pm on their crime and investigation channel.

This shows how citizen bloggers are being taken seriously even if our own media call us conspiracy theorists. We keep pumping the information out. It should be on channel 553.

I wasn't sure where to post this so apologies if this isn't the right place.

rs

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 07:56 PM
@Goodness

Great links to the area. I won't 'quote' or the post will be over long - but the juxtaposition of people and places gives rise to a lot of questions. This extra ''narrative'' doesn't appear in the same form in your posts/links

Chris Fallows, 49, a writer who lives in the area, said: “There were about 40 or 50 kids, all well-dressed, and they were yelling right in the cops’ faces.

“They were inches away from them, shouting, cursing and refusing to move, and this went on until about 2am.

“A lot of the kids had their cell phones out and were thrusting them in the faces of the policemen, almost daring them to do something. It was as though they thought they were taking part in some kind of Arab Spring.”

Another resident, who did not wish to be named, said: “It felt like the London riots were starting again outside my house. I thought, 'this is about to go off’.

“Two or three were singled out and flung to the ground and then flung into a van. Nothing like this ever happens in this neighbourhood.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/public-school-kids-trash-mansion-2013-6

Is this another smear campaign against police or something bigger?


P.S

Are they implying HARROW OR ETON?

oonalu
30-06-2013, 08:03 PM
Regarding today's news re the bisexual MP coming out -(to standing ovations) the DM comments were worth reading.

On a humourous note the

"I Spartacus" comment probably held more than a grain of truth....

(Probably needs a closer look at the MP - his sphere of influence - and how readily he could be blackmailed)

It brought to mind this article re Willy Hague - that VERY YOUNG conservative protege of Thatcher.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/197594/William-Hague-s-2005-gay-denial

On a much more serious and horrified note, this article:



http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/local/17800543/qld-boy-caught-in-global-pedophile-ring/

His horrific introduction to the insidious world of pedophilia dated back to 2005 when his Russian mother sold him for $8,000 to a member of Boy Lovers – a sophisticated global network of men whose sexual preference are boys aged between six and eight years old.



Such was the extent of the abuse, the boy, who will be called Adam for legal reasons, grew up believing the abuse and exploitation was a natural part of his daily existence.

And there we have it.

A gay couple allowed to adopt - because their human rights could not be infringed.

A child - with no rights - no knowledge - an INNOCENT- brought up by abusive perverts -not knowing that life should be very different.

If all a child has ever had is ABUSE - how can they understand that there is any other life or experience?

This is what they are trying to achieve with their indoctrination of children through the school system. This is probably why we have highly publicised 'school teacher'' cases - dividing opinion as to what constitutes ABUSE and GROOMING - and Adult emotion.

If my views are not 'pc' - frankly I don't care. It's my opinion.






Totally agree these people need to be thoroughly vetted and monitored on a regular basis ... Stuff their human rights the child comes first.

sweetcheeks
30-06-2013, 08:05 PM
I thought I would let you know that Voiceforchildren and I were mentioned in the Sunday Express today. The link is below.

http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2013/06/sunday-express-corruption-in-jersey-ted.html

We have also had our work covered in the Guardian on a previous occasion. Tonight I will be appearing on Sky TV. This has to do with a polish national killing six people in Jersey. It goes out at 9pm on their crime and investigation channel.

This shows how citizen bloggers are being taken seriously even if our own media call us conspiracy theorists. We keep pumping the information out. It should be on channel 553.

I wasn't sure where to post this so apologies if this isn't the right place.

rs

You are more than welcome to post here, we have covered Jersey before here and are interested in spreading the word on all abuses.

Regards for the work you do

oonalu
30-06-2013, 08:28 PM
SOCIAL WORKERS SENT VULNERABLE YOUNG BOYS TO THIS FOSTER PARENT FOR 13 YEARS.WHAT IS SHOCKING IS THAT HE IS A CONVICTED PAEDOPHILE.WHAT IS UNFORGIVABLEIS THAT THEY KNEW; Life and crimes of a monster called Saint,`What councils did beggars belief'.


Daily Mail (London)
May 24, 1997




http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-110774168.html?key=01-42160D517E191569140D061E00664B36254D35463B78700E73 0E0B60641A617F1371193F

unseen_influencer
30-06-2013, 08:28 PM
@goodness, as you say it might not mean much but on the other hand we are finding all kinds of connections. The Wizard of Oz picture is chilling, considering what has been posted on other threads about mind control.

I see that the Camden Arts Centre is in Arkwright Road: I am sure I saw something about this when I was investigating something else. I may remember what I saw; in the meantime here is a connection to Graham Ovenden:

"In 1981 a major exhibition of work by the Ruralists - presented, not so much as a retrospective, but more as a report on work-in-progress - was organised by The Arnolfini, Bristol and The Camden Arts Centre, London."

http://www.stisa.co.uk/artist-gallery/annie-ovenden/

unseen_influencer
30-06-2013, 09:01 PM
I was looking for more information about the Camden Arts Centre and found a page with an article of no real interest, but there is alarming article about something else. The Portman Clinic and Tavistock have been mentioned on here, but not this aspect:

"When Reuben Mednikoff and Grace W Pailthorpe met at a party in 1935 given by Victor Neuberg, a satanist and lover of Aleister Crowley, Reuben was working in an advertising agency, after training in fine art at St Martins school of art. Grace had seen active service in France during the first world war, where she worked as as a surgeon. Thereafter devoting herself to psychological medicine, studying with a pupil of Freud, called Ernest Jones; she was 24 years older than Mednikoff. According to other guests, it was a debauched and alarming evening involving pentangles, ostrich feathers and satanic ceremonies. ..

In 1936 Grace Pailthorpe was described by Andre Breton, the founder of surrealism, as the leading English Surrealist artist.
During the 1920s, she had pursued pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis and later helped to found the Portman clinic, whose vice presidents included Havelock Ellis, Carl Jung, H G Wells and Sigmund Freud.

Nevertheless her work as an artist is still relatively unknown, largely because of her expulsion from the Surrealist Group, along with her partner Reuben Mednikoff... those who wish to retain the good name of the English Surrealists, claim that her disappearance from view was down to her being eclipsed by the superior art of her partner Mednikoff. When in fact, disgraced, hurt and enraged by their mutual expulsion, Mednikoff and Pailthorpe moved to New York. It didn't work.

Eight years later they returned to Britain where Pailthorpe became consultant at the Portman Clinic - an organisation to "cure" young delinquents through therapy rather than punishment. The following year they set up the world's first art therapy school in Dorking."

More on:

http://www.wowvondahlenberg.com/-venus-art-trap.html

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 09:01 PM
A LOOPHOLE that allowed a serial sex offender from Exeter to slip under the radar by changing his name by deed poll should be closed, says a leading children's charity.

The Echo successfully campaigned for a change in the law after the case of convicted city paedophile James McAlpine, who was allowed to continue abusing boys by re-inventing himself with a new name.

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Charity-action-loophole/story-11743498-detail/story.html

Explains why so many PIE members have/had different names maybe?

Interesting name tho - McAlpine.................

tangodeltafoxtrot
30-06-2013, 09:17 PM
I thought I would let you know that Voiceforchildren and I were mentioned in the Sunday Express today. The link is below.

http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2013/06/sunday-express-corruption-in-jersey-ted.html

We have also had our work covered in the Guardian on a previous occasion. Tonight I will be appearing on Sky TV. This has to do with a polish national killing six people in Jersey. It goes out at 9pm on their crime and investigation channel.

This shows how citizen bloggers are being taken seriously even if our own media call us conspiracy theorists. We keep pumping the information out. It should be on channel 553.

I wasn't sure where to post this so apologies if this isn't the right place.

rs

Thanks for posting, Rico.

pete675
30-06-2013, 09:22 PM
George Carman on Breakfast with Frost:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast_with_frost/908794.stm

mentions Napley and there's also this revealing exchange:


'DAVID FROST
And one of the most troubling things obviously which you've mentioned apparently once happened to you is where you got somebody off and then this particular paedophile committed more such crimes and you found that, you said, very difficult to take?

GEORGE CARMAN
Yes he, he disclosed that he was guilty a few years down the line to a national newspaper and of course that was very sad to learn, to think one had been unwittingly, I emphasise, participating in that situation.

DAVID FROST
But I suppose that's one of the problems, everybody asks you, I'm sure, the thing that's fascinating, do you ever take on, did you ever take on someone you knew was guilty or someone you didn't like? '

Of course, Frostie made his career out of massaging the egos of the great and bad, hence the Peter Cook joke that his one regret in life was saving David Frost from drowning..

But interesting details still come out in interviews.

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 09:28 PM
DICKENS DOSSIERS - update

The late Tory MP, Geoffrey Dickens, gave two dossiers containing allegations of child sexual abuse to the former Home Secretary, Leon Brittan, in November 1983 and January 1984. It appears that Mr. Brittan didn’t act on any of the information contained in the dossiers, meaning the abusers were allowed to continue committing sexual offences against children.

1) The November 1983 dossier contained ‘allegations of paedophilia in Buckingham Palace and the diplomatic and civil services’.

2) The January 1984 dossier contained information on the Paedophile Information Exchange, an organisation that campaigned to legalise sex with children, and gave details of ‘sex assaults at a children’s home’, and named prominent paedophiles including a ‘top television executive’.

A recently unearthed cutting from the Huddersfield Daily Examiner (19.1.84) gives more detail on the January 1984 dossier – apparently it also contains ‘allegations of child assault at the ceremonies of religious cults‘.

It goes without saying that thanks to Leon Brittan’s inaction these allegations were never investigated.

In a written PMQ by Tom Watson, Theresa May was asked for the whereabouts of the dossiers, and her ‘search’ has so far taken over 5 months. If Theresa May won’t produce the dossiers, they should be made public under the ’30 year rule’ in November 2013/January 2014.

http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/

Might explain why so many of the arrests so far have been bailed until November 2013 or into 2014?

More delaying tactics. However I understand that under the terms of the Lisbon treaty, UK stops being a sovereign state sometime around Nov 2014 also (?) - tho this is being kept quiet from the general populace.

Looks like there will need to be some major distractions in the next few months in order for the conspirators (tptb) to kick cans further down road - also probably explains the latest road building initiative - they're running short of roads for the cans. :rolleyes:

discovery77
30-06-2013, 09:57 PM
There was also apparently a 1988 dossier written in conjunction with Dianne Core on satanic abuse that seems to be still off radar. It never reached parliament and soon after Dickens was discredited - again.

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 10:02 PM
Jeremy Hunt, The Groucho Club and the Bottomleys

What are the connections?

The Groucho Club

John Henry James Lewis, has over the last few years faced (along with his fellow-directors of the Groucho Club, where he is the Chairman) myriad allegations. These include charges that they and/or staff knowingly allowed, and helped cover up, sexual molestation on the premises of the Club…and, once discovered, conspired to delete paedophile links that had been running over many months on the Groucho Members’ Forum Website.

Jeremy Hunt

And John Henry James Lewis, Chairman of the infamous Groucho Club in London’s Dean Street, has for some years been the major bankroller of former Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt MP

http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=12848


Hunt excelled himself by suggesting to his audience that his father “worked as a manager for the NHS”. It is an exaggeration served with lashings of deception: Sir Nicholas John Streynsham Hunt (Daddy) was Admiral of the Fleet in his main career and, once retired, became a quangoista par excellence.

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/revealed-at-last-the-hunt-bottomley-link/

Virginia Bottomley


Admiral Sir John had an elder brother (now carefully airbrushed out of the Wikipedias and other genealogies), one Roland Colin Charles Hunt. He married Hilda Pauline Garnett, whose brother was W. John Garnett. WJG had a daughter called Hilda Brunette Maxwell Garnett….aka, Virginia Bottomley.

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/revealed-at-last-the-hunt-bottomley-link/

JEREMY and VIRGINIA are cousins

Peter Bottomley

Needs no introduction here as an ELM GUEST HOUSE visitor. He is of course MARRIED to Virginia and has stepped back from what could have been a high-flying political career in order to allow his wife centre stage. The timing of this withdrawal is interesting tho. ;)

The background details of Bottomley's interaction with NAYPIC and Chris Fay (as in Mary Moss documents') are revealing.

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/?s=Bottomley

troyhand
30-06-2013, 10:11 PM
Nicely highlighted - one to investigate. Certainly worth scrutiny given the timescales. Thanks for all the updates re Tom Watson too. :)

Re coinkydinks..........
I always find it curious how when Elm/Politics/spies come back in the frame, there are a surge of negative comments regarding the thread,focus and direction..........

Coinkydinks - nah - no such thing.


You're the best, WW! Tireless contributions being made here by so many.

I'm going to transcribe this full article on Prime. It tells a different story than previous article posts on him. I'm transcribing the whole article, cuz I don't what to pass over any potential useful info I might miss, and to have it here in case the link disappears. My eyes aren't as good as they used to be. There are people on here who see better than I. Let's hope we all can figure out a way to pull the curtain back from this Oz nonsense.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fL4yAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Be8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1551,56722
Ottawa Citizen - Nov 11, 1982

Lax Security highlighted by Britain's spy scandal

LONDON - "The worst case since Philby," an American official called it.

"You have done incalculable harm to the interests and security of this country and of our friends and allies," said Lord Lane, Britain's Lord Chief Justice.

The case of Geoffrey Prime, under wraps since his arrest in mid-July, broke wide open in a courtroom at London's Old Bailey Wednesday.

Prime was tried, convicted and sentenced all in half a day. He pleaded guilty to seven charges under the Official Secrets Act. The trial was partly in public and partly secret.

The length of his sentence, 38 years for a man aged 44, confirmed the gravity of the case, which some intelligence sources said was potentially the most damaging Soviet penetration of Western intelligence since 1945.

That takes in a lot of territory, including Igor Gouzenko's exposure of a Soviet spy ring in Ottawa after the Second World War, the celebrated British defectors Harold (Kim) Philby, Donald Maclean and Guy Burgess, and the later British cases of George Blake, Cordon Lonsdale and William Vassal.

Geoffrey Prime's case followed at least one British tradition in that his lifestyle and psychological quirkiness were such that it seemed amazing no one had noticed.

Prime's quirk was a desire to see the nudity of young girls. His was a lonely, depressive personality apparently twisted by sexual inadequacy.
[this depressive personality was married twice, so he wasn't that lonely]

Goeff Prime was a technical man, a translator whose access to super-secret material arose from his ability as a Russian linguist.

Once again, the British vetting system stood exposed as casual and inadequate.

Prime began spying in 1968 when he was 30 and posted in Berlin with the Royal Air Force. He had begun to feel sympathy with the Soviet regime, according to his statement given to the court by Attorney General Sir Michael Havers.

After contacting Russian agents in Berlin, Prime left the RAF and got a job in the British civil service as a linguist. Then he went from London to East Berlin for extensive training in the arts of the spy.

In 1975 he was given special briefings in London so he could understand new material of a higher security classification than he had been used to. Then he was transferred to the heart of the British intelligence apparatus - Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) at Cheltenham.

He resigned from his job at GCHQ in 1978 and became a taxi driver.

GCHQ is the place where British intelligence connects with the U.S. National Security Agency [PRISM] and with comparable agencies in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the European NATO countries.

Ten days after Prime's arrest a GCHQ radio technician named Jack Wolfenden, for no obvious reason, put his powered glider into a loop and died when it crashed into a hill near Cheltenham.

Havers made no reference to any spy ring in Wednesday's trial and he played down the extant of the damage done by Prime's activities.

This sat uneasily with the length of the sentence and the comments of the Lord Chief Justice:

"Over at least nine years, probably longer, by your treachery you have done incalculable harm to the interests and security of this country and interests and security of our friends and allies."

Even more worrying for the security experts is the fact that if it were not for Prime's curious wish to make small girls take off their clothes, his espionage activities would still remain undetected.

In his latest job as a wine company representative, Prime had taken to calling at houses where pubescent girls were home alone. It was after he was charged of indecently assaulting young girls, one was only 11, that he confessed to his second wife, Rhona, both his sexual aberrations and his espionage.

She agonized for three weeks and then turned over to local police a carrier bag she had found under a bed. It contained the indispensable tools of the modern spy.
...

I may be daft, but I swear I thought Prime was charged under the Official Secrets Act for spying from December 31st 1967 till April 29th of 1982. How'd he do that if he was driving a taxi around in 1978 and then selling wine to houses that leave children home alone inside. I guess all that training to be a spy while working in the British civil service as a linguist, and all that sensitive information he was cleared to see, helped him be able to find the houses where little girls are inside alone, so he could drive over there in his taxi and sell wine. (But he only wanted to watch them undress. Nothing more. Just a quirk. Poor lonely depressive. :mad:)

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 10:11 PM
George Carman on Breakfast with Frost:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast_with_frost/908794.stm

mentions Napley and there's also this revealing exchange:


'DAVID FROST
And one of the most troubling things obviously which you've mentioned apparently once happened to you is where you got somebody off and then this particular paedophile committed more such crimes and you found that, you said, very difficult to take?

GEORGE CARMAN
Yes he, he disclosed that he was guilty a few years down the line to a national newspaper and of course that was very sad to learn, to think one had been unwittingly, I emphasise, participating in that situation.
......(snip)
But interesting details still come out in interviews.[/B]

Presumably this guy?

These two cases follow on from the child abuse allegations that lingered around Street actor, Peter Adamson, and ultimately wrecked his career and his life. He was accused of indecently assaulting two young girls, aged 8, at a public swimming pool but subsequently cleared at Burnley Crown Court. Although Adamson (pictured top centre) was acquitted of the charges, after securing the services of George Carman QC to defend him, he subsequently gave a drink-inspired interview to a reporter on a red-top tabloid newspaper, during which he both acknowledged and denied that he had been guilty: “I am totally guilty of everything the police said,” he said. “But what I hope you will print – there was no sexual intent.”

http://www.upsd.co.uk/coronation-st-paedophiles/

Carman has appeared in posts before - if I recall correctly Savile used him a couple of times - but we never found the exact details of the cases.

craftyhen
30-06-2013, 10:20 PM
Virginia Bottomley - née Virginia Hilda Brunette Maxwell Garnett, born 12 March 1948, Dunoon, Scotland.


Lord Alistair McAlpines mother was Ella Mary Gardner Garnett (d. 1987).

achilles heel
30-06-2013, 10:33 PM
I thought I would let you know that Voiceforchildren and I were mentioned in the Sunday Express today. The link is below.

http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2013/06/sunday-express-corruption-in-jersey-ted.html

We have also had our work covered in the Guardian on a previous occasion. Tonight I will be appearing on Sky TV. This has to do with a polish national killing six people in Jersey. It goes out at 9pm on their crime and investigation channel.

This shows how citizen bloggers are being taken seriously even if our own media call us conspiracy theorists. We keep pumping the information out. It should be on channel 553.

I wasn't sure where to post this so apologies if this isn't the right place.

rs

Thank you Ricoso. I have just watched it. Absolutely heartbreaking.

We have discussed Jersey on here many times and are always keen to gather more information. I truly hope you continue to post on this thread. Good luck with your work.:)

discovery77
30-06-2013, 10:34 PM
Regarding the dossier on Buck paedo ring, interesting to note what was going on around the same time that paedo butler Paul Kidd we've looked at was working at Buck Palace with Diana;-

"A former Buckingham Palace butler has been unmasked as a sexual predator who ran a paedophile ring while serving the Royal Family."

"He was also said to have worked closely with Princess Diana at Buckingham Palace in the six months prior to her wedding to Prince Charles."

A police source said:

'He was acting with at least one other man and it's possible he could have been communicating with many other paedophiles over many years.
'These offences are probably just the tip of the iceberg.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1066171/Buckingham-Palace-butler-ran-paedophile-sex-ring-working-Royal-Family.html


looked at in timeline; - )1981, July 29th - Prince Charles and Diana wed. so-

from around this time onwards (see below) he was working with Diana closely, (but had also already been there for 9 years previously as the butler.)

1980, December 21st - Buck palace perimeter line passsed without authority.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/19/buckingham-palace-security#column_20w

1981, January 17th - Buck Palace security perimiter penetrated.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/19/buckingham-palace-security#column_20w

1981 (early) - According to minutes of the CGHE's executive committee, there are 62 members at this date, increasing
to 171 by late 1983.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-house-1558001

1981 - Claims that David Hamilton - Grant allegedly first 'arrives' in Cyprus (according to Clive Godden, later investigator
of Hamilton - Grant and victim of later attack by him). Despite reports he would only later move there in 1984 after conviction
for distributing obscene images.
http://s24.postimg.org/4ogqcdh5x/Ham...Grant_1988.jpg
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...ll-525198.html

1981 - Alan 'Fluff' Freeman claims to have become 'celibate' from this date.
http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/the-trut...or-paedophile/

1981 - Savile becomes a regular visitor of Henlow Grange/Champneys and close friend of Stephen Purdew and his mother
Dorothy when they now take over from Leida Costigan (August).
http://www.iamthebestof.co.uk/hitchin/upcoming-event/

1981 - 1987 - Ray Wyre starts working at Albany Prison, Isle of White, with category A prisoners.
Pioneered 'group therapy' for sex offenders here. Also HMP Parkhurst IOW. Kray was among
his charges at Parkhurst.

1981 - Maggie Thatcher describes Savile's work as ''marvellous''. 11 consecutive new years spent with
Savile at Chequers.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-8432351.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...onths-ago.html
(by Claire Ellicot, Daily Mail, 28th December 2012).

1981 - 'Perspectives on Paedophilia' published with chapters by Peter Righton and Dr Morris Fraser (Azimuth trust).
Derides 'moral panic' over paedophilia & says that with ‘the child’s willing compliance . . . the sex is unlikely
to do much harm’.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2...azimuth-trust/

1981 - David Hamilton - Grant company secretary of 'World of Video 2000' with fellow 1970s sex film mogul Malcolm Fancey.
The company launches onto the video market with several soft porn titles in December 1981.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grant_(producer)

1981 - 3 senior care staff at Kincora boys home jailed for abusing 11 boys.

1981 - a young woman, an east end prostitute, is dragged into a workman's hut by three young men who repeatedly rape her. Crown
decides no trial as victim, 'Carol X', makes an unreliable witness because she is a prostitute. One journalist telephones the
Solicitor-General Nicholas Fairburn (Elm Guest House list) to ask why, and Fairbairn tells him. This is a major breach of
protocol and Fairbairn has to resign. Rare private prosecution brought and won in 1982.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Fairbairn#cite_note-carolx-1

1981, Feb 24th - Prince Charles and Diana announce engagement.

1981, March - (date needs corroborating) - 'Jimmy Savile Publishing Limited' dissolved.(unknown start date yet).

1981, March 16th - 'Retired Civil Servant linked to Porn Scandal', the Lewiston Journal
Geoffrey Dickens MP accuses government of cover up for refusing to prosecute retired diplomat for involvement in child pornography case. References
in article to Blunt and spies. He was a former High Commissioner or ambassador to a Commonwealth country, with access to top secret docs & knighted. Man referred to during Tom O Carroll trial, chairman of P.I.E.

1981, May 22nd - Sutcliffe begins his sentence at HMP Parkhurst.

1981, June - three young Germans are discovered in the grounds of Buck Palace a few yards within the perimeter wall.
"They had spent the night there after climbing the wall, in the belief that they were in Hyde Park." They are interviewed
by the police and released.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1982/jul/19/buckingham-palace-security#S6CV0028P0_19820719_CWA_138

1981, July 29th - Prince Charles and Diana wed.

edit:addendum Kidd was senior footman to the Queen Mother from 1979 to 1984 and previously worked as a royal butler to the Queen from 1977.
The charges relate to historic sexual abuse against three boys between 1974 and 1977, 1981 and 1983 — when he was in the employ of the Queen Mother — and 2005 to 2008.

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 10:49 PM
Virginia Bottomley - née Virginia Hilda Brunette Maxwell Garnett, born 12 March 1948, Dunoon, Scotland.


Lord Alistair McAlpines mother was Ella Mary Gardner Garnett (d. 1987).

Are we saying that they are definitely related??

If so - what is the connection exactly please - I'm crap at the family tree stuff :o

troyhand
30-06-2013, 10:55 PM
Regarding the dossier on Buck paedo ring, interesting to note what was going on around the same time that paedo butler Paul Kidd we've looked at was working at Buck Palace with Diana;-

"A former Buckingham Palace butler has been unmasked as a sexual predator who ran a paedophile ring while serving the Royal Family."

"He was also said to have worked closely with Princess Diana at Buckingham Palace in the six months prior to her wedding to Prince Charles."

A police source said:

'He was acting with at least one other man and it's possible he could have been communicating with many other paedophiles over many years.
'These offences are probably just the tip of the iceberg.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1066171/Buckingham-Palace-butler-ran-paedophile-sex-ring-working-Royal-Family.html


edit:addendum Kidd was senior footman to the Queen Mother from 1979 to 1984 and previously worked as a royal butler to the Queen from 1977.
The charges relate to historic sexual abuse against three boys between 1974 and 1977, 1981 and 1983 — when he was in the employ of the Queen Mother — and 2005 to 2008.

DISCO, you're incredible! It's Buckingham Palace! Of course, the butler did it! (along with most of the other higher staff members, I'm guessing)

You're timeline's becoming invaluable. :D

craftyhen
30-06-2013, 10:57 PM
I'm crap at the family tree stuff too and the McAlpine clan is complicated.

I couldn't find the proof they're related, just a suspicion.

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 11:01 PM
@TROYHAND

Re Geoffrey PRIME

The stories just get more outrageous - and unravel.

Not a taxi driver - but claiming to be a painter and decorator....

Prime had phoned the girl, claiming to be a 'Mr Williams' and visited her house the next day pretending to be a painter and decorator.

He made indecent suggestions and threatened her with a tin opener. He left the house when she screamed but asked if she knew of any other girls on their own.

Passers-by had noticed an unusually coloured Ford Cortina which police traced to 44-year-old Prime.

http://www.herefordtimes.com/archive/2001/03/15/5704420.Spy_Geoffrey_Prime_released_from_prison/?ref=arc

Then there's this:

1) 22 Mar. 1976 Geoffrey Prime moves from London to Cheltenham

2) 28 Sept. 1977 Geoffrey Prime resigns from GCHQ

3) 16 Nov. 1981 Geoffrey Prime makes his last contact with the KGB in East Berlin

4) 26 Jun. 1982 Geoffrey Prime confesses to police that he has spied for the KGB

5) 15 Jul. 1982 Geoffrey Prime is remanded in custody on Official Secrets Act charges

6)10 Nov. 1982 Geoffrey Prime pleads guilty to espionage

7)13 Mar. 2001 Geoffrey Prime released from Rochester Prison on parole

so if the guy has left GCHQ in 1977 - what ''secrets'' does he have for the Reds for the next four years - (apart from WHO is in his paedophile ring?)

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/pais/people/aldrich/vigilant/lectures/gchq/

As an aside - that Jack Wolfenden that ''crashed''........

Baron Wolfenden was the chair of committee that recommended decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1957.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wolfenden,_Baron_Wolfenden

His son (Jeremy) was of course a homosexual- but daddy didn't disclose that at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Wolfenden

I don't see an obvious family link to JACK - but given that Jeremy was a spook............... well who knows?

discovery77
30-06-2013, 11:06 PM
DISCO, you're incredible! It's Buckingham Palace! Of course, the butler did it! (along with most of the other higher staff members, I'm guessing)

You're timeline's becoming invaluable. :D
this guy had 19 000 images and videos of children - not exactly small fry? Was he connected to any others (Andy? :D)

I'm crap at the family tree stuff too and the McAlpine clan is complicated.

I couldn't find the proof they're related, just a suspicion.

Its a good spot. Garnett is an unusual - ish name, shouldnt be too hard (?) to trace on Ancestry if anyone wants to?

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 11:14 PM
this guy had 19 000 images and videos of children - not exactly small fry? Was he connected to any others (Andy? :D)

Its a good spot. Garnett is an unusual - ish name, shouldnt be too hard (?) to trace on Ancestry if anyone wants to?

Bit o/t but bizarre that DM has an article re Garnett today

A report showed that many viewers agreed with character Alf Garnett
Alf was infamous for his views about foreigners, communists and women.
Hit comedy Till Death Do US Part ran between 1965 and 1975

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351767/BBC-shelved-report-showing-Alf-Garnetts-bigotry-shared-viewers-bosses-worried-encouraging-prejudice.html

discovery77
30-06-2013, 11:17 PM
Did we ever settle on who the TV chief was? Memory failing (again lol).

http://thecolemanexperience.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/palace2.jpg

goodness
30-06-2013, 11:33 PM
2008 03 11

http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/3136hautdelavampire.jpg

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3137


The discovery at the Jersey care home of Haut De La Garenne, of human bone fragments, have instigated a thorough search of the building by Chief Officer Lenny Harper for more bodies.

Almost 200 children who had spent time in the home had complained of various abuses but mainly sexual by a hard core of up to 25 staff, who previous occupants claim implemented their own search 5 years ago, to take away body parts, they also claim authorities covered up the abuses for many years to not damage the islands tourist trade.

The latest count is 4 secret rooms have been uncovered under the building where shackles and ties surrounded a large stone water bath.

Among names given to the authorities are those who worked in the home and those visitors who also abused the youngsters in strange rituals, the list contains several well known names including the ex queens butler, Paul Kidd who was recently charged with 18 charges including raping 9 young boys over a 30 year period, police expect more charges to be laid shortly.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/00573743_Cropped.jpg

Buckingham Palace butler 'ran paedophile sex ring while working for the Royal Family'

By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 10:54 EST, 1 October 2008

A former Buckingham Palace butler has been unmasked as a sexual predator who ran a paedophile ring while serving the Royal Family.

Bachelor Paul Kidd, 55, groomed at least one of his teenage victims for sex by taking him for tea with the Queen Mother at Clarence House, it has emerged. He introduced one of his victims to the Queen Mother as a "friend" during a Christmas party at Clarence House - but in reality he had been assaulting the boy since the age of 14.

To the public, he had been the urbane gent who waited on the Royals for nine years - first the Queen at the Palace and then her mother.

An accomplice David Hobday, 56, of St Johns Street, Dukinfield admitted seven charges involving one of the victims of sexual activity with a child and possessing indecent images. Both men face a maximum 14 years in jail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/8295989.stm

discovery77
30-06-2013, 11:39 PM
@Goodness - que? Kidd was at/worked at and abused at Haut de la Garenne too?! Needs googling!

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 11:45 PM
Did we ever settle on who the TV chief was? Memory failing (again lol).



At one time Murun's blog comments mentioned Clifford Luton who was recently arrested and charged. However he does not merit the description ''TV Boss''.

Also re your 1981 timeline - Savile at Henlow

Don't forget that is close to RAF Chicksands

In 1950 the site was subleased to the United States Air Force serving as the base of the 6940th Radio Squadron, responsible for continued communications and SIGINT operation through the Cold War. In 1962, a 1,443 feet (440 m) diameter AN/FLR-9 Wullenweber antenna array was constructed at Chicksands to form part of the Iron Horse HF direction finding network

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Chicksands

The elephant cage or Circularly Disposed Dipole Array (CDDA), was circular and was used for spying. Was the elephant cage antenna the predecessor of HAARP?

http://ki4kqd.net/2013/05/the-elephant-cage-antenna/

Convenient location for intelligence gathering if you are 'accepted' in the right circles........

goodness
30-06-2013, 11:47 PM
@Goodness - que? Kidd was at/worked at and abused at Haut de la Garenne too?! Needs googling!

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3137

troyhand
30-06-2013, 11:52 PM
@TROYHAND

Re Geoffrey PRIME

The stories just get more outrageous - and unravel.

Not a taxi driver - but claiming to be a painter and decorator....

Prime had phoned the girl, claiming to be a 'Mr Williams' and visited her house the next day pretending to be a painter and decorator.

He made indecent suggestions and threatened her with a tin opener. He left the house when she screamed but asked if she knew of any other girls on their own.

Passers-by had noticed an unusually coloured Ford Cortina which police traced to 44-year-old Prime.

http://www.herefordtimes.com/archive/2001/03/15/5704420.Spy_Geoffrey_Prime_released_from_prison/?ref=arc



OH MY GOD!!!! WELSHWITCH, DISCO, Everybody! Look at this! :eek:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NwE-AAAAIBAJ&sjid=bEkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3162,3276918
The Glasgow Herald - Jul 20, 1982
Palace Incident accused has suicidal tendencies, court told

The man said to have entered the Queen's bedroom and sat on her bed has serious personal problems and suicidal tendencies, a court was told yesterday.

Detective Chief Superintendent Trevor Lloyd-Hughes told London's Bow Street Court that Michael Fagan, a 30-year-old unemployed labourer, was at present in a totally unpredictable state of mind. Fagan appeared charged with entering Buckingham Palace as a trespasser and stealing a half bottle of wine on June 7 - nearly five weeks before the Queen's bedroom incident.

Mr Lloyd-Hughes objected to bail because, he said, Fagan would fail to surrender, might commit further offences and also for his own protection.

"His present state of mind is such that his movements and actions are totally unpredictable. He has serious personal problems and has suicidal tendencies. He has twice tried to slash his wrists, and the marks are still to be seen."

Earlier, Mr Stephen Wooler, for the Director of Public Prosecutions, said Fagan is not to be prosecuted over the incident in which he is said to have entered the Queen's bedroom.

Fagan was, however, committed in custody to the Old Bailey for trial on the June 7 offences together with others alleging taking a Ford Cortina car without consent in Boswell Road, London, on June 16, :eek: and assaulting his stepson, Dean Martin, 15, and occasioning him actual bodily harm at Cyrus House, Cyrus Street, Islington, North London, on June 26.

Disco's timeline
1982, June 25th - Geoffrey Prime interviewed by DCS Cole of of West Mercia Police on suspicion of being a spy.

1982, June 26th - at 4.30pm Geoffrey Prime made his complete confession.

A spokesman for the Director of Public Prosecutions said outside the court that no further charges had been made "because there is no evidence upon which we would have proved an offence had been committed."

Reporting restrictions were lifted at the request of Fagan's solicitor, Mr Maurice Nadeem.

Dressed in navy trousers, a cream shirt and maroon sweater, and with only a pair of beige socks on his feet, Fagan seemed relaxed in the dock. He leaned back against the rail with his arms outstretched and rested his feet on the ledge in front, frequently turning round to smile and laugh at his family in the public gallery behind.

Mr Wooler said the two additional charges had originally gone before magistrates at Clerkenwell but the DPP had directed they be sent to Bow Street.

"The position seems to be that the alleged offence on June 7 was one in a series of irrational acts on his part connected with a deterioration in his matrimonial situation," said Mr Wooler.

At this point, Fagan shouted to the magistrate: "Can I say something before you begin?" He was told to be quiet, then turned round to laugh and smile at his family including his wife, Christine, and parents Michael and Ivy.

They smiled back and his mother signaled to him to be quiet while his father laughed.

Mr Wooler then read out a list of witness who will be required to make statements for the crown court case. They included Fagan's stepson. [Dean Martin]

Mr Wooler said: "By virtue of the public interest in this case, you may think it suitable for the Central Criminal Court.

"Since it is, of course, well known that this defendant was arrested more recently at the scene of the first offence, namely Buckingham Palace, as far as that is concerned the Director has considered the evidence and takes the view there is no evidence of any state of mind of this defendant which would render his trespass a criminal offence and he proposes to bring no charge."

Fagan was told to stand in the dock to be formally charged and committed. Then he said: "I have never had a solicitor, so how can I? I want nothing to do with this man (Mr Nadeem). He is a load of rubbish."

The magistrate, Mr Ronald Bartle, asked him if he wanted to apply for bail.

"Yes, I would like to apply for bail myself, if that is possible," Fagan replied. "But I don't wish this man to represent me. I told him that. He justs keeps coming back and back and back."

Fagan's father then stood up and said: "I can stand bail for my boy. I can stand bail for him." He was told by police to sit down.

Mr Nadeem said to Mr Lloyd-Hughes of Fagan: "I understand he has sever domestic problems." Fagan's parents shouted: "Not now," from the back of the court.

Mr Nadeem then asked if bail would have been opposed if the incident had taken place in Lambeth Palace or the Hilton Hotel, but the magistrate pointed out that the objections were based on the defendant, not the incident.

"Is my client still likely to gain access to Buckingham Palace if he is set free?" asked Mr Nadeem.

Mr Lloyd-Hughes replied: "The defendant's actions are totally unpredictable. It is highly unlikely, however, that he would be able to."

Even if a strict condition of residence was imposed, he would still oppose bail, he said.

Addressing Mr Bartle, Mr Hadeem said: "Let us remember what this case is about. It does not relate to the later incident, when my client was in the Queen's bedroom."

Fagan shouted angrily: "I told you not to mention anything about the Queen's bedroom. I don't want her brought into it.

"I would rather plead guilty than have her name mentioned in court."

Mr Nadeem referred to him as "an unbalanced young man." If bail was not granted, he said, the case smacked of "public retribution."

Fagan's mother shouted: "He is not unbalanced."

After bail was refused, Fagan's father said: "Could I speak on his behalf for two minutes?"

Mr Bartle said he could if he had anything relevant to say, but Fagan said: "He is not my father. My father is Rudolf Hess."

Outside the court later, Mr Nadeem said that his client intended to plead not guilty to all three charges.
...

goodness
30-06-2013, 11:53 PM
Did we know Savile "groped" Prince Edward’s wife-to-be, Sophie Rhys-Jones?


JIMMY SAVILE GROPED ROYAL



http://proxies.ap.org/all/e/e44dedc6ff7a22c79b0090fb3ebf589e/e44dedc6ff7a22c79b0090fb3ebf589e_THUMBNAIL_0.jpg

11th October 2012
By Emily Hall

SIR Jimmy Savile tried to grope a young royal during his 40-year reign of perversion, it was claimed last night.

DJ David Hamilton told how Savile made a beeline for the Countess of Wessex when she was a young PR at London’s Capital Radio.

Prince Edward’s wife-to-be, Sophie Rhys-Jones as she was then, had been hand-picked to meet the former Top Of The Pops presenter as he joined Capital Gold in 1990.

Sophie greeted the star with a bottle of champagne, but as they stood for photos on the street outside, the wind blew her skirt up.

Savile, almost 40 years older than her, leered at her legs, pawed at her side and attempted to shower her with kisses.

Last night David said Sophie, now 47, had been “less than impressed” by the DJ’s advances outside the studios in London’s Euston Road.

He added: “She greeted Jimmy with champagne, even though he was teetotal.

“The pictures were to be done outside Capital Radio on one of the windiest corners in London.

“The next thing you know, the wind has blown up her skirt, but it made Jimmy all the more tactile.

“The more this happened the more amorous Jimmy became, showering her with kisses.”

Sophie, who married Prince Edward in 1999, was disgusted when he started kissing her along her arms.

“Diddy” David, 74, said: “Sophie stormed off and said: ‘I refuse to have anything to do with that revolting man.’

“Jimmy was very, very disappointed.

I remember him saying: ‘I started with a pretty girl and now I’m left with you, a hairy gorilla.’”

Last night a spokeswoman for the Countess had not returned our calls.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/276510/JIMMY-SAVILE-GROPED-ROYAL/

welshwitch
30-06-2013, 11:54 PM
An example of the British Justice System in relation to Paedophiles

European courts spare accused pedophile, hacker from American justice

Nearly 20 years ago, Sullivan, who is now 43, fled to Ireland after being charged with raping a 14-year-old girl and molesting two boys in Minnesota. Sullivan, who had dual citizenship, was accused of assaulting two girls in Ireland in 1997, but fled to London, where police finally caught up with him in June 2010. Although he did time in Wandsworth Prison for his crimes in the United Kingdom, when U.S. authorities sought to have him brought to justice on American soil, a British judge refused.

That means Shawn Sullivan, who has been accused of molesting children on two continents and married a British Ministry of Justice worker while in prison, can now roam free -- as long as he stays out of the U.S.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/14/uk-high-court-blocks-extradition-convicted-sex-offender-over-draconian-us-laws/

Shawn Sullivan, 42, and Sarah Smith, 34, wed while the man was fighting extradition to the United States on rape charges.

It is feared Shawn Sullivan will use their union to dodge extradition by proving he has a family life in Britain under Article 8 of the Human Rights Act.

Sarah Smith is a policy manager in the British Ministry of Justice, which is in charge of the prisons system.

http://www.bellenews.com/2011/12/03/world/europe-news/shawn-sullivan-the-most-wanted-us-paedophile-married-a-british-ministry-of-justice-official/

discovery77
30-06-2013, 11:55 PM
At one time Murun's blog comments mentioned Clifford Luton who was recently arrested and charged. However he does not merit the description ''TV Boss''.

Also re your 1981 timeline - Savile at Henlow

Don't forget that is close to RAF Chicksands

In 1950 the site was subleased to the United States Air Force serving as the base of the 6940th Radio Squadron, responsible for continued communications and SIGINT operation through the Cold War. In 1962, a 1,443 feet (440 m) diameter AN/FLR-9 Wullenweber antenna array was constructed at Chicksands to form part of the Iron Horse HF direction finding network

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Chicksands



http://ki4kqd.net/2013/05/the-elephant-cage-antenna/

Convenient location for intelligence gathering if you are 'accepted' in the right circles........
yeah thanks, how convenient. Still adding, will include, and thanks to Horrified whose t/l I will be snaffling from lol. :D
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3137
wasnt being funny by the way lol - just expressing interest - meant worth looking into more sorry. Didnt know that! Have just found some more similar stories I obviously missed that he (and Blunt) used to take boys over there after tea with the royals! Unbelievable....!

jayjay107
01-07-2013, 12:08 AM
Henry Antony Cardew Worrall Thompson (born 1 May 1951)[citation needed] is a British celebrity chef,
television presenter and radio broadcaster

Prior to opening his first restaurant, Worrall Thompson was Executive Chef at 190 Queens Gate in South Kensington, London.
Worrall Thompson opened his first restaurant - Ménage à Trois - in Knightsbridge in 1981, notable for only serving
starters and puddings.[3] He then launched several successful restaurants, including Wiz and Woz in West London and
Metro in Jersey — all of which reflect his somewhat individual approach to food. Until late 2006, he was Catering Director
for Old Luxters Barn, in Buckinghamshire.

In February 2009, his restaurant holding company AWT Restaurants was placed into administration.[4] Four restaurants closed -
the Notting Grill in west London, the Barnes Grill in south-west London, together with two pubs in Henley-on-Thames,
the Lamb Inn and the Greyhound with the loss of 60 jobs, Worrall Thompson personally bought back the remaining Windsor Grill in
Berkshire, the Kew Grill in south-west London, and delicatessen the Windsor Larder.

Thompson made his first television appearance on BBC2’s Food and Drink, before appearing on Ready Steady Cook from 1994

Worrall Thompson has won the Mouton Rothschild Menu Competition, and the Meilleur Ouvrier de Grande Bretagne (MOGB).[3]

In February 2010, Worral Thompson was awarded only one star out of five after a food hygiene inspection at his gastro-pub, The
Greyhound, near Henley-on-Thames. South Oxfordshire District Council said the score meant hygiene was "poor" with "standards
generally low"

Thompson recommended the poisonous plant Henbane as a "tasty addition to salads" in the August 2008 issue of Healthy
and Organic Living magazine. Apologising for the error Thompson said: "I was thinking of a wild plant with a similar name, Fat Hen,
not this herb. It's a bit embarrassing, but there have been no reports of any casualties. Please do pass on my apologies." The
magazine sent subscribers an urgent message stating that Henbane "is a very toxic plant and should never be eaten."[8]

Worrall Thompson's recipe for Snickers Pie was nominated by independent food watchdog The Food Commission as one of the
most unhealthy dessert recipes ever, in 2006. Consisting of five Snickers bars, puff pastry, mascarpone, soft cheese, sugar
and eggs, a single slice has been estimated to contain more than 1,250 calories

In January 2012, Worrall Thompson received a formal police caution for shoplifting low value items, including wine and cheese
from the Henley-on-Thames branch of Tesco on a total of five occasions.[11][12]

Worrall Thompson is a patron of FOREST,[13] a UK-based, tobacco industry financed, pro-smoking lobby. He claimed to
have given up smoking in February, 2010, in a feature for Radio 4's Woman's Hour.[14] He is also involved in fundraising for the
Conservative Party and is an active supporter of National Family Week

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Worral_Thompson

Thursday 13th August 1998 00:00

Antony Worrall Thompson's style of cooking is proving to be a revelation to the people of Jersey. Most of the island's restaurants
are still classically French in their outlook, so the opening of Worrall Thompson's latest restaurant venture, Metro, is providing
customers with a chance to enjoy dishes with influences from Italy, Tunisia and Morocco.

http://www.catererandhotelkeeper.co.uk/articles/13/8/1998/13066/jersey.htm

discovery77
01-07-2013, 12:22 AM
@Troyhand lol dont get me started on Ford Cortinas!! Obviously all they could afford for their 'workers' at the time! :D

1974 heath home bombed

Witnesses describe seeing a man emerging from a Cortina car and throwing what is believed to have been the bomb on to the first floor balcony of the house.
Two policemen and a patrol car are understood to have chased the vehicle as it drove off.
The Cortina crashed a few minutes later in Chelsea and several men fled from the vehicle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/22/newsid_2539000/2539621.stm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAMES-BOND-FORD-CORTINA-MKIV-TAUNUS-SPY-WHO-LOVED-ME-1-43-PACKED-ISSUE-K8967Q-/190828253008?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_Dieca stVehicles_JN&hash=item2c6e400f50

goodness
01-07-2013, 12:27 AM
Hadn't come across this before...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R0Ue3VDmqWM/SVA9pc0bkVI/AAAAAAAADEg/efohvfsWZaE/s320/paul_kidd.jpg
Former royal butler to the Queen and Queen Mother has been jailed for child abuse offences.

The court heard Kidd started grooming one of the boys when the victim was 12 after he had met him as a patient on a hospital ward where Kidd worked as a trainee nurse. - wonder if that has anything to do with Savile and the hospitals he worked at?


On Kidd’s computer cops found 18,019 images of unknown children and a video of him abusing another youngster.

One of his computer passwords was “Pickles”

Also, do we know anything more about his accomplice?


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R0Ue3VDmqWM/SVA90_Uxh5I/AAAAAAAADEo/qsS5gvYRJSE/s1600/_45320765_hobday_gmp_226.jpg

Kidd introduced his most recent victim to a friend, David Hobday, who also abused the child.

Hobday, 57, of St John Street, Dukinfield, was jailed for three years after he pleaded guilty to six counts of sexual activity with a child and one count of possessing an indecent image of a child.

Speaking outside court, Det Con James Teggart of Greater Manchester Police's Child Protection Unit said: "The levels of abuse Kidd and Hobday subjected their victims to is nothing short of monstrous.

"The pair are sexual predators who have manipulated their victims and subjected them to the most horrific abuse time and again.

"The victims have had their childhoods taken away from them and will have to deal with what they've been put through for the rest of their lives."


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/2063779/Jailed-the-Queens-paedophile-butler-Paul-Kidd.html
http://vigilant-antis.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html

troyhand
01-07-2013, 12:33 AM
@Troyhand lol dont get me started on Ford Cortinas!! Obviously all they could afford for their 'workers' at the time! :D

1974 heath home bombed

Witnesses describe seeing a man emerging from a Cortina car and throwing what is believed to have been the bomb on to the first floor balcony of the house.
Two policemen and a patrol car are understood to have chased the vehicle as it drove off.
The Cortina crashed a few minutes later in Chelsea and several men fled from the vehicle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/22/newsid_2539000/2539621.stm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAMES-BOND-FORD-CORTINA-MKIV-TAUNUS-SPY-WHO-LOVED-ME-1-43-PACKED-ISSUE-K8967Q-/190828253008?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_Dieca stVehicles_JN&hash=item2c6e400f50

Agreed. I'm sure they had a fleet of vehicles. :rolleyes:

When was Prime arrested for his sex assaults, I'm wondering?
Before or after June 16, 1982?

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=0vllAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bIwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1535,4823493
...Prime was a spy until he was picked up on the sexual assault charges in Cheltenham, western England, where he had worked for the top-secret Government Communications Headquarters.

welshwitch
01-07-2013, 12:39 AM
Hadn't come across this before...


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/2063779/Jailed-the-Queens-paedophile-butler-Paul-Kidd.html
http://vigilant-antis.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html

PAUL KIDD - was arrested at his home in STALYBRIDGE

Police raided his two bedroom home in St Johns Street, Stalybridge, where they found almost 19,000 pornographic pictures and videos of children.

EX MP for STALYBRIDGE is TOM PENDRY.

TOM PENDRY is a good pal of STUART HALL who is a pal of BILL ROACHE

PENDRY was associated with OYSTON..........


Seems like it's the place to be if you're a p p p p robable p a e d o.

EDIT

and PAUL KIDD won a gong

During his years in royal service, Kidd claimed to have met and looked after three U.S. presidents, including Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.
In 1979 he was awarded the Most Noble Order of Merit by then West German president while on a state visit with the Queen to that country. He is one of only 32 people in the world to hold the award.

Wonder what he did to earn that *p p puzzled face*

http://lemurloopsdotcom.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/do-you-know-your-neighbour.html

discovery77
01-07-2013, 12:52 AM
Kidd worked at Tameside General

One of his victims was a young patient he met while working as a trainee nurse at Tameside General Hospital in the 70s.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/kidds-victims-may-come-forward-976984

goodness
01-07-2013, 12:58 AM
Royal Butler Paul Kidd

As part of his work doing talks about his time with the Royal Family he does a lot of cruises."

Kidd appears on a website for after-dinner speakers and his fee is set at £2,000 to £4,000.


Cruise News
Marco Polo to Replace Arielle on Transocean Tours

Orient Cruise Line, the one-ship line that operates under the Norwegian Cruise Line umbrella, will depart into history in March as Marco Polo gets ready to leave the fleet. NCL will not be replacing the ship, which means that Orient Lines, created in 1991 as a destination-oriented company, will no longer exist. The ship began its life in 1965 as the Alexander Pushkin, and will now start a new lease of life, having been acquired by Transocean Tours, who is bringing in Marco Polo to replace Arielle.

Marco Polo, which sails its last cruise for Orient on 2nd March 2008, will begin its voyages for Transocean with a Norwegian fjords cruise on 19th April under the same name and will be based at London Cruise Terminal, Tilbury. In between, the ship will undergo a minor refurbishment in which a small casino will be replaced with an extended bar area. Former Royal Butler, Paul Kidd will be a special guest on the cruise; talking about life at Buckingham Palace and Clarence House.


http://www.no.cruise.co/cruise-news/article-846/marco-polo-to-replace-arielle-on-transocean-tours/

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ex-butler-accused-of-rape-942041

troyhand
01-07-2013, 12:59 AM
http://www.cvni.net/radio/e2k/e2k005/e2k05article.html

Enigma 2000 article

Geoffrey Prime, Radio Operator, Linguist, Spy!
...

Prime moved from London to GCHQ Cheltenham where he became a Higher Linguist in 'J' Division and was given Byeman clearance to work on Rhyolite material from a satellite. He was also told about the Argus and Pyramider satellites.

In the summer of 1975 the entire system was compromised by Prime for just £800. He was also promoted in 1976 to the position of section head and given additional duties of Personal Security Supervisor.

(A similar betrayal was proceeding in the USA along the same lines as Prime's. A known drug addict, Andrew Lee, was paid $60,000. Virtually every technical detail of Rhyolite was passed to the Soviets).

When Prime moved to Cheltenham he took up residence in a house owned by a 33 year old divorcee, Rhona Ratcliffe. On 18th June 1977 they married. Apart from a wife he also gained 3 young children who benefited from the male, fatherly presence around the house.

Perhaps Prime was also affected by his new found responsibility, he was respected by the children and he adequately provided for them.

On 28th September 1977 Prime resigned from GCHQ. After a disastrous attempt at selling quality wines he became a Taxi driver.

Prior to his leaving GCHQ Prime had taken a number of photographs and on 16th May 1980 he handed over 15 reels of film to the KGB in Vienna. He was paid £600 for this.

Sometime later, on 16th November 1981 Prime travelled to East Berlin where his stock of espionage equipment was replenished and he received £4000.

During 1981 Prime had indulged his liking for young girls and had tried his luck with a young gymnast, aged 14, in her own home. This girl was different to the others and made a fight of it. She screamed and made as much noise as she could, struggling against Prime's perverted wishes. Geoffrey Prime was really scared and ran off, to his brown two-tone, Mark IV Ford Cortina that was parked in a small farm access. He drove away unaware that one of the nearby farmhands was something of a car buff. On interview with the police he was able to give a detailed description of the vehicle.

Whilst he was unable to recall the entire index mark of the vehicle he was able to state with certainty that the car was an 'S' reg.

Subsequent investigations through the PNC revealed 426 owners of like Ford Cortinas in the immediate surrounding area, all of whom would need to be interviewed.

Further inquiry revealed that the suspect's car was 'Roman Bronze' narrowing the quantity of registered keepers considerably.

During the commission of the offence Prime had exposed his face to the young girl who gave a good description as well as describing his checked shirt. He also left a part fingermark of high quality on the toilet cistern. The resultant 'identikit' product bore an uncanny resemblance to Prime.

Eventually Geoffrey Prime opened the front door of his home to two detectives from Hereford CID. DS Wilkes and WDC Miriam Rhodes asked Prime about his ownership of the two-tone 'S' reg Cortina parked in the drive outside. The question was asked as a 'closed question' and Prime had no other option except to answer truthfully. DS Wilkes also noticed that Prime was wearing the same style of checked shirt described by the victim of the assault. Prime must have been aware that he was a prominent suspect and became very agitated when DC Wilkes asked Prime for his fingerprints "purely for elimination."

DC Wilkes and WDC Rhodes then made to leave but said to Prime that they would like to return around 6.00pm that night to speak with Mrs Prime. On her informal interview in their home Rhona Prime was unable to substantiate her husband's whereabouts at the time of the offence.

Prime was aware that he was about to be arrested for the serious offence that he had recently committed and took Rhona out to a local beauty spot where he told her the truth about his perverted sexual proclivity and his espionage activities. She decided to stand by her husband.

The next day (?) Prime was arrested for the offence and his car and house were searched. Apart from 2,287 record cards, bearing notes and photographs of little girls, which were bagged and taken away as evidence, a black leather briefcase was seized. This case was later opened by Prime, to reveal the secret compartment, in the presence of Police officers.

On 23rd May 1982 Rhona Prime contacted the Police. She had found a carrier bag containing a quantity of envelopes addressed to places in East Germany, two cellophane like pads bearing columns of 5 figure numbers and some typewritten notes about microdot production.

A team of specialist searchers entered Prime's home. The harvest of evidence was amazing. The first was a list of frequencies and schedules. Prime had even noted down the ident he used to recognise any radio traffic destined for him. A radio followed and then a Grundig reel to reel tape recorder followed by a Top Secret document from GCHQ. As if that was not enough to worry Prime during his interview, the interrogator, Detective Chief Superintendent Cole of West Mercia Police, laid out the envelopes, one-time pads and radio schedule.

Prime offered a weak excuse but realised that he would have to disclose the truth. On 25th June DCS Cole interviewed Prime who countered every question until Mr Cole produced a tape player. It was switched on and the sound of a monotonous drone of a coded number message in German filled the room. Prime offered the reply that it was his hobby, listening to the radio and twiddling the tuning knob.

On 26th June 1982 at 4.30pm Geoffrey Prime made his complete confession.

On Wednesday 10th November 1982 Geoffrey Arthur Prime, then aged 44, pleaded guilty to all charges; seven counts against the Official Secrets Act and three further counts against the Sexual Offences Act.

Displayed in court were a number of exhibits from the spying activities, including the briefcase, radio, tape recorder and one-time pads. For the sexual offences the index of 2,287 record cards were seen.

The trial lasted little more than two hours; for spying Prime received a sentence of 35 years plus a further 3 years for the sexual offences. The total of 38 years meant that Geoffrey Prime would have been 82 on his release in 2020 if he had served the full term.

It is interesting to note that Prime had been given a Minox camera by his controllers. Prime had concealed it in his loft beneath the fibreglass insulation next to the joists adjacent to the chimney and he reasonably asked Mr Cole where it was, given that everything else had been produced. DCS Cole was unable to offer any explanation as to why it had not been found and a second subsequent search revealed nothing. As Prime knew it was secreted in the loft and the Police did not discover it during their searches leaves three unanswered questions. Who removed it, why, and where is it?

This account was written 8 months before the release of Mr Prime. Information on his release can be found in Issue 4, News and Items of Interest column, or for detailed coverage, within copies of the Times, Daily Telegraph, Guardian, Independent and Daily Mirror, dated 14th March. [Thanks to D of Kent for further information].

discovery77
01-07-2013, 01:05 AM
@Troyhand
and
1982, April 29th - THIS paper, Vancouver Sun, alleges Prime only stopped conveying info on this date, (unlike before christmas 81 in another paper). - convenient?
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=0vllAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bIwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=2230,4830989

-so anyway, over a month to interview him from first ahem, 'notification', and after the end of the Falklands war (and EGH raid).

troyhand
01-07-2013, 01:30 AM
@Troyhand
and
1982, April 29th - THIS paper, Vancouver Sun, alleges Prime only stopped conveying info on this date, (unlike before christmas 81 in another paper). - convenient?
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=0vllAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bIwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=2230,4830989

-so anyway, over a month to interview him from first ahem, 'notification', and after the end of the Falklands war (and EGH raid).

Yup. Lot of foot dragging there with putting him away. They were waiting for Capt'n Jimmy's QE2 to return to port from supplying the war and get back to cruising.

discovery77
01-07-2013, 01:34 AM
Yup. Lot of foot dragging there with putting him away. They were waiting for Capt'n Jimmy's QE2 to return to port from supplying the war and get back to cruising.

Actually troyhand, that June 26 day is interesting, only just cottoned on to what you were also pointing out. A day of fraught tension it seems?!

troyhand
01-07-2013, 01:36 AM
PAUL KIDD

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20081223/world-news/world-briefs.238409
Times of Malta

...
A former royal butler who once took a child he was sexually abusing to a tea party with Queen Elizabeth's mother was yesterday jailed for at least six years after being convicted of paedophilia."]A former royal butler who once took a child he was sexually abusing to a tea party with Queen Elizabeth's mother was yesterday jailed for at least six years after being convicted of paedophilia...
...

Seriously?! :(

goodness
01-07-2013, 01:44 AM
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1374349.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Rolls+Royce+Corniche+Convertible
Pricey: The Rolls-Royce was the most expensive item in the auction


The scrap dealer paid £160,000 and had hoped to hire out the 10-year-old Corniche convertible, nicknamed 'The Beast' which has Savile’s personalised number plate JS 247, for weddings and children’s parties.


But he now fears he will lose half his money and has consulted a barrister regarding possible legal action following the child abuse scandal.

The man, who did not wish to be named, told Sky News: “I don't want to be associated with it.

The owner, from Poole in Dorset, told Sky News he bought the car over the phone “on a whim"


Poole in Dorset - is that Bournemouth area?




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-child-abuse-man-1374422

discovery77
01-07-2013, 02:22 AM
The three amigos

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/9/21/1348223253968/Michael-Fagan-archive-006.jpg
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-U2088213.jpg?size=67&uid=e69a7093-ee35-40a1-bc3c-c698d3fbaf90
British Queen with Her Escort and Suspect on Official Secrecy Divulgence
Original caption:London: At left, Commander Michael Trestrail (Right), Queen Elizabeth's chief bodyguard, follows the Queen at a recent garden party in a file photo. Trestrail, 52, head of the Metropolitan Police's Royal Protection Department, resigned July 18 after confessing to a years long homosexual relationship with a male prostitute. At right, Geoffrey A. Prime is led away by police after he had been remanded at Hereford (England) Magistrate's Court July 15 after facing a charge under the official secrets act of passing information directly or indirectly to an enemy.
Stock Photo ID:U2088213
Date Photographed:01 July 1982
Model Released:No Release
Property Released:No Release
Location:London, England, UK
Credit:© Bettmann/CORBIS
Licence Type:Rights Managed (RM)
Category:Historical
Collection:Bettmann
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http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/U2088213/british-queen-with-her-escort-and-suspect

Quatro fromaggio! (hold the sweetcorn....)
http://i2.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article526983.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/C_71_article_1086939_image_list_image_list_item_0_ image-526983.jpg

Goodnight!

marlowe
01-07-2013, 02:27 AM
The MPs who mouthed support for exposing and prosecuting the network of noncery in British society are really backing up their words with actions, aren't they. Listen to them shouting up against the corrupt establishment, going out on the edge to fight for truth and justice. Isn't it marvelous that we have such dedicated, fearless representatives battling for our freedom and well-being. I'm moved to tears by their heroic struggle and their passionate invectives in the Commons against child abuse and the New World Order.

discovery77
01-07-2013, 02:35 AM
@Marlowe

Its inspiring, I feel uplifted every single day by their dedication and commitment. So much so I awake each day, stretch in joy and jubilant confirmation that they really do care about all these abused children. Tomorrow I shall awaken to yet another expose of an evil VIP paedophile in our midst who has been captured and banged to rights. When will they ever rest? These have surely been the most uplifting 9 months of my life.....:mad: