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marlowe
10-06-2013, 03:16 PM
I think Savile was introduced to Prince Philip by Mountbatten in 1966, I may be wrong.

dopey
10-06-2013, 03:18 PM
@ big brother
Thanks for that BB. I'm wondering whether, if Savile was picking up kids at Kings Cross in the camper van, did he park there whilst he abused them, or drive somewhere close?

He obviously had ties to P&O. I'm wondering if those ties extended to him having the use of P&O's land at Kings Cross.

Edit: several times a month 1999-2003 I got the train into Kings Cross, usually arriving early to mid evening then walking or cabbing it a mile down the road to Holborn.
It was all in plain sight even then- drugs/prostitutes...and mostly young (teens) boys, milling around the entrance where the taxi rank (and paper kiosk) was. There were several sex shops on the road off from there and, again, with a lot of teen aged boys hanging about outside them, or outside one in particular.

marlowe
10-06-2013, 03:20 PM
Savile sometimes parked his van at Brunswick Square, which is just down the road from Kings Cross. There's also this photo of him with it parked right by Kings Cross station.

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1373714.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/A+day+in+the+life+of+Jimmy+Savile+Feature+by+Mike+ Hellicar

big brother
10-06-2013, 03:28 PM
there were plenty of places he could have parked, even on the street just off the Euston Road. Back in those days it was still possible to park on London's streets without a traffic warden slapping a ticket on you, hard to believe I know.

harry_brown
10-06-2013, 03:36 PM
A child taken by force or collusion, raped by one, by many or duped by coercion is EVIL

A confident, curious and secure young adult MUST be able to do what they feel is ok, or we have anarchy. We have dictatorship. We have total STASI BIG BROTHER BullSHIT!!!!

I want a world in which SEX is not a dirty word.
I want my sons and daughters to feel confident about themselves and their bodies.
I want them to say yes when they mean yes.

WE ON THIS FORUM are fighting DATE RAPE DRUGS and the corporations who manufacture and distribute this shit.

We are fighting against peadophile rings that involve Global Elite Cabals of VIP's Royalty and Premiers.

We are fighting against systemic child-feeder agencies, care homes, hospitals, disabled charities, politicians, lawyers, judges, police officers etc that provide innocent unwilling child victims for abusive secret and hidden and protected rings of powerful peadophiles.

The idea or rumour that joe bloggs had it away with his nephew is 'probably true' - but that is beyond our scope of investigation and above our remit here.

We want powerful corrupt BUMLOVERS exposed (sic) END of:eek:

If dealing with "Joe bloggs" who abused his nephew is above your remit how do you propose dealing with organisations who have power beyond the dreams of Mr Bloggs?

I know sex isn't the problem. In the same way that chainsaws are perfectly safe until they fall into the hands of someone who isn't educated in how to use them or intends to misuse them. There was a time when young boys and girls didn't really think about sex, and that wasn't so long ago - the revolution of "sexual freedom" bought about by an agenda set by tptb saw and end to the innocence that childhood/adolescence was once filled with. The very freedom you allude to has been used to set, enact and perpetuate an agenda.

Allowing freedom to anyone is one thing but sadly there are those who use such freedoms to gain power and escape justice. The Human Rights Act supposedly allows certain freedoms - how often do law-abiding people use that legislation though? Something which pretends to protect us all is little more than a means of protection for the criminal elements.

The confident, curious young people you talk of are among those targeted by the evil bastards who carry out these vile acts. "Confident" and "curious" very quickly get turned into "promiscuous". Promiscuous then equals "Asking for it" or "willing party". I for one wasn't surprised when the Savile story went mainstream and certain people came crawling out to say things like "well these young girls flocked to the TOTP studios fluttering their eye-lashes and wearing short skirts, throwing themselves at the stars"... Young girls who could be labelled by some as "confident" and "curious" perhaps?

I know of very few young boys and girls who truly have the wisdom, education, ability or understanding to willingly engage in sexual activity fully aware of all possible consequences. Increase in teenage pregnancies, STD's, unwanted babies, more and more children born to out of work parents, promoting the idea it's ok for young people to be having sex... Sexual freedom. The agenda...

This is exactly part of the point I was making:

The quote (+ the rest of it) is obviously not really talking about parental love (which is NOT sexual, should give us a clue how bullshit like this is being accepted) but is a excuse for apparently wanting to screw his own children and advocating to others that sexual attraction to one's daughter/son (implied that it's even better when their underaged) is as natural as can be. This is how they all do it, twisting concepts into their own demented form and basically playing a victim role. In this case it's the "it's nature, so i can't help myself" excuse.

The attempt to normalise it. The agenda.

discovery77
10-06-2013, 03:45 PM
@Disco
That's excellent work and thanks for taking time to pull that together. It's really useful to see a summary of events and the various players emerging and when.

I'd personally stick that on its own thread. It will get lost on here and if it's on its own thread you could run with it there and update and add to it as and when, and we'll all know where to go straight to, to view it too.

ta - just basic but you can use it to fit your own points in if wanted, copy and paste to word etc. Wouldnt even know how to start own thread lol - if anyone else wants to and use it to add to ive no probs with that.
Thanks for all suggestions by pm too, all, appreciated.

nick68
10-06-2013, 04:16 PM
@Disco
That's excellent work and thanks for taking time to pull that together. It's really useful to see a summary of events and the various players emerging and when.

I'd personally stick that on its own thread. It will get lost on here and if it's on its own thread you could run with it there and update and add to it as and when, and we'll all know where to go straight to, to view it too.

I agree; excellent post and excellent comment.

oonalu
10-06-2013, 04:29 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/national/accused-paedophile-on-252-charges-sipping-tea-in-sri-lanka-20121125-2a1ns.html#ixzz2DKznHaX2

dopey
10-06-2013, 04:41 PM
1977 National Criminal Justice report (USA)

"Protection of Children Against Sexual Expoitation"


I haven't read all of this but Francis Shelden AKA Frank Torey (and his pals) get a mention on pages 143/144.


https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/46772NCJRS.pdf

nick68
10-06-2013, 04:46 PM
If dealing with "Joe bloggs" who abused his nephew is above your remit how do you propose dealing with organisations who have power beyond the dreams of Mr Bloggs?

I know sex isn't the problem. In the same way that chainsaws are perfectly safe until they fall into the hands of someone who isn't educated in how to use them or intends to misuse them. There was a time when young boys and girls didn't really think about sex, and that wasn't so long ago - the revolution of "sexual freedom" bought about by an agenda set by tptb saw and end to the innocence that childhood/adolescence was once filled with. The very freedom you allude to has been used to set, enact and perpetuate an agenda.

Allowing freedom to anyone is one thing but sadly there are those who use such freedoms to gain power and escape justice. The Human Rights Act supposedly allows certain freedoms - how often do law-abiding people use that legislation though? Something which pretends to protect us all is little more than a means of protection for the criminal elements.

The confident, curious young people you talk of are among those targeted by the evil bastards who carry out these vile acts. "Confident" and "curious" very quickly get turned into "promiscuous". Promiscuous then equals "Asking for it" or "willing party". I for one wasn't surprised when the Savile story went mainstream and certain people came crawling out to say things like "well these young girls flocked to the TOTP studios fluttering their eye-lashes and wearing short skirts, throwing themselves at the stars"... Young girls who could be labelled by some as "confident" and "curious" perhaps?

I know of very few young boys and girls who truly have the wisdom, education, ability or understanding to willingly engage in sexual activity fully aware of all possible consequences. Increase in teenage pregnancies, STD's, unwanted babies, more and more children born to out of work parents, promoting the idea it's ok for young people to be having sex... Sexual freedom. The agenda...

This is exactly part of the point I was making:



The attempt to normalise it. The agenda.

Sex offenders do not target those who are confident, those who are aware or those who, by any means, might fight back.

Sex offenders are bullies, cowards and inadequates.

Our children must be helped and educated and encouraged to be who they are; little personalities blossoming into larger than life flowers, agian and again and again...just like you and me and the next door man has been allowed to develop.

If the school is letting you down, refer yourself to the peadophile minister under Thatcher who allowed minimal vetting of school staff. Allowed ex-serviceman to become, because of military rank, overnight head and deputy head teachers in schools that hitherto had NO HISTORY OF PEADOPHILLIA.

Why were schools 'militarised' at the top level?

The school governors and teachers associations and teachers unions and parent/teacher associations were STEAMROLLERED in order that ANDY X from the 'parachute regiment' for example, could suddenly become Deputy Head Master at long established, locally reknowned Grammar schools?

WHY?

Because education had returned to the Victorian age?

Or because politics had?

Is it really true that in 1984 the discipline that the mainstream newspapers demanded could only be provided by stern ex-military types who, after a career of killing and oppression, could swear to a professed belief in a sort of religion that still applied to the schools of Wordsworth?

There are not that many Grammar Schools...

It is a short hop and a skip to expose all those late 'replacements' head and deputy head positions who were ex military, draconian, and abusive....

welshwitch
10-06-2013, 04:48 PM
BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 1h

Former Coronation Street actor Andrew Lancel, who played Frank Foster in the soap, cleared of indecently assaulting 15-year-old boy

Cleared within 29 minutes - must be a record. Wonder who the judge was.

welshwitch
10-06-2013, 04:54 PM
Bill Roache told he will face trial next year over alleged sex attacks on five girls as young as 11

Coronation Street actor, 81, who plays Ken Barlow, is charged with two counts of raping a 15-year-old girl in 1967
He also faces fresh charges of five indecent assaults against four girls aged 11-16 in 1965 and 1968
Roache, of Wilmslow, denies all the charges - trial will be in January 2014

Another JOKE?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338870/Bill-Roache-told-face-trial-year-alleged-sex-attacks-girls-young-11.html

bossman10
10-06-2013, 05:11 PM
@Disco
That's excellent work and thanks for taking time to pull that together. It's really useful to see a summary of events and the various players emerging and when.

I'd personally stick that on its own thread. It will get lost on here and if it's on its own thread you could run with it there and update and add to it as and when, and we'll all know where to go straight to, to view it too.


Thanks from me too disco, I've backed it up separately just in case.

discovery77
10-06-2013, 05:13 PM
@ WW-just unbelievable.

I've added some more stuff to timeline btw, doh -

Mountbatten, Krays, Boothby, Charles, charles' cards, Stingemore and Mcsweeney arrest, yorkshire ripper/savile, payola scandal.

edit - not pics of 'that' card though unfortunately lol.

strikeback
10-06-2013, 05:23 PM
Sex offenders do not target those who are confident, those who are aware or those who, by any means, might fight back.

Sex offenders are bullies, cowards and inadequates.

Our children must be helped and educated and encouraged to be who they are; little personalities blossoming into larger than life flowers, agian and again and again...just like you and me and the next door man has been allowed to develop.

If the school is letting you down, refer yourself to the peadophile minister under Thatcher who allowed minimal vetting of school staff. Allowed ex-serviceman to become, because of military rank, overnight head and deputy head teachers in schools that hitherto had NO HISTORY OF PEADOPHILLIA.

Why were schools 'militarised' at the top level?

The school governors and teachers associations and teachers unions and parent/teacher associations were STEAMROLLERED in order that ANDY X from the 'parachute regiment' for example, could suddenly become Deputy Head Master at long established, locally reknowned Grammar schools?

WHY?

Because education had returned to the Victorian age?

Or because politics had?

Is it really true that in 1984 the discipline that the mainstream newspapers demanded could only be provided by stern ex-military types who, after a career of killing and oppression, could swear to a professed belief in a sort of religion that still applied to the schools of Wordsworth?

There are not that many Grammar Schools...

It is a short hop and a skip to expose all those late 'replacements' head and deputy head positions who were ex military, draconian, and abusive....

The "militarisation" of schools is about to be stepped up with the government's new Troops For Teachers scheme launched this week. Thousands of ex-servicemen are going to be fast-tracked into teaching with a minimum of qualifications and teaching skills. I won't post the full article in case its considered off-topic, but here's a link for anyone who's interested :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10104011/Ex-members-of-Armed-Forces-to-be-fast-tracked-into-teaching.html

Trained killing machines will now be alone with your children. And of course, it's happening in America too. There's a chilling agenda at work here.

hangthedj
10-06-2013, 05:23 PM
Scandalous.

Anyone watch soaps these days? Do they just show the empty 'streets' of Corrie for half an hour while the aged actors wait until next year to go to trial?

Or do they get back the ones who have already been cleared of molesting young children?

:confused:

@ WW-just unbelievable.

I've added some more stuff to timeline btw, doh -

Mountbatten, Krays, Boothby, Charles, charles' cards, Stingemore and Mcsweeney arrest, yorkshire ripper/savile, payola scandal.

edit - not pics of 'that' card though unfortunately lol.

This must be a thread on its own (as well as updated here - and we have so many of these topics/threads now - but this is a really crucial one imo), I agree. Has someone taken this on?

babs123
10-06-2013, 05:54 PM
Top of the Nonces - this was written last summer, before the msm outing of pop nonces.

http://swinemagazine.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/top-of-the-nonces/

Last week I was watching Venessa Paradis perform ‘Joe Le Taxi’ on Top Of The Pops 2 and remarked to my wife that her hip swaying, pouty performance seemed deliberately designed to appeal to paedophiles. At the time she was only 14 years old (and looked it) yet no doubt because she was French and looked like a pubescent Brigitte Bardot it was OK for producers and camermen to treat her like she was ten years older.

Looking back at TOTP now it seems obvious that the array of zany middle aged deeeejays were obviously noncing up the gaggle of mini-skirted star struck young nubiles who gathered around them as they introduced Lieutenant Pigeon and Smokey. This was the 70s (and 80s) remember before the word ‘paedophile’ had replaced ‘dirty old man’ as the acceptable term for men who liked to look at and touch up young girls and boys.

This was the era when Benny Hill chased suspender clad girls around parks and the On The Busses/Are You Being Served brand of titillating comedy featured ugly, middle aged men making endless single entrendres to ditzy blonds who appeared to enjoy being treated as vacuous sex objects. No doubt this was the script writers own fantasy wish fulfilment but it also sent a message out to young lads like me; women were all ‘nymphos’ gagging for sex with men, ANY man, even ones that looked like Reg fucking Varney.

Or Jimmy Saville for that matter. What a strange breed of duck ‘Sir’ Jimmy was. Of all the weirdos and cranks that have populated the world of ‘pop’ Jimmy’s up there with the Michael Jacksons and Phil Spectors. His shtick wasn’t contrived, he was a genuine 100% off his rocker, no lumps of fat and gristle freak. Quite apart from his leering and sleazy chat ups of grinning groupies there was an aura of threat about Saville, the suspicion that he inhabited the pop world entirely for his own perverse gratifications. Although you could argue the same for other creeps such as DLT and Diddy David Hamilton I suppose. They didn’t seem to be in it for the music that’s for sure.

The cameramen were in on it too ofcourse, swooping up skirts from low vantage points and clocking all the attractive young dancers in amongst the goofs and goonballs looking up at the overhead camera or whatever the fuck it is that makes them all look to the heavens like Frank Lampard searching for his ma in the clouds. As for Pan’s People and Legs & Co, well that was described as ‘something for the dads’ a quick wank montage for the toilet later.

Pop is made for paedos. It’s bread and butter is young, dumb ‘guys n’ galls’ desperate for fame who’ll do just about anything to get a foothold in the world of ‘showbiz.’ As such every two bit huckster from Larry Parnes to Louis Walsh has used their position as ‘impressarios’ to gather around them a stable of attractive and compliant young lads who will get down on one or two knees to break into the glamorous world of Top of The Pops and tours of Belgium.

The Lolita theme runs away from Chuck Berry’s ‘Sweet Little Sixteen’, through Gary Puckett’s ‘Young Girl’ to the Police’s ‘Don’t Stand Too Close To Me’ the unifying theme that sexy underage temptresses are luring grown men into lust and, by implication, that all men are incapable of self-control. Maybe that’s what Serge Gainsbourg’s duet with his 12 year old daughter, Charlotte ‘Lemon Incest’ was hinting at, but then again Serge was French after all and what do you expect from Frogs and hillbillies like Jerry Lee Lewis but under age, incestuous relationships?

Which brings us back to Vanessa. There she was on TOTP2 thrusting her hips provocatively and acting all demure as if she didn’t know exactly what’s going on. She ended up married to Hollywood heart throb, Johnny Depp so no doubt she had a game plan even when she was 14 going on 34. Or perhaps her parents did because there’s no doubt that some parents are only too willing to pimp their sons and daughters out to anyone in the showbiz industry whether that’s pop stars, managers, film directors, television producers, business moguls and gargoyles of every description as long as there’s a contract to be signed.

In this world sordid ‘womanisers’ like Bill Wyman, Roman Polanski and Silvio Berlusconi get excused or even admired for their under-age exploits despite their physical and moral ugliness. Where else could short-arse, self-obsessed freaks like Phil Spector and Simon Cowell get a crack at stunners like Ronny and Leona? I’ll leave the last words to Mr. Puckett (can he Puck it? Yes he can!)

Beneath your perfume and your make-up
You’re just a baby in disguise
And though you know that it’s wrong to be
Alone with me
That come on look is in your eyes

Young girl, get out my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run girl
You’re much too young girl

So hurry home to your mama
I’m sure she wonders where you are
Get out of here
Before I have the time
To change my mind
‘Cause I’m afraid we’ll go too far

OK, I’ll have the last word, as per fucking usual. Quite how stuff like this was ever allowed to be released never mind bought by millions of ‘innocent’ music fans only underlines just how acceptable noncing was back in the good old days of comedy rape telly shows and pervy pantomime villains presenting mainstream pop programmes. Then again it wasn’t so long ago that Channel 4′s noncefest, ‘Minipops’ was deemed suitable early evening viewing for all the family ‘especially the beasts’ and The Sun ran its countdown calender to celebrate the day Charlotte Church finally became ‘legal.’

Brilliant article!!!! Thanks for sharing.

wakingthedead
10-06-2013, 06:01 PM
Bill Roache told he will face trial next year over alleged sex attacks on five girls as young as 11

Coronation Street actor, 81, who plays Ken Barlow, is charged with two counts of raping a 15-year-old girl in 1967
He also faces fresh charges of five indecent assaults against four girls aged 11-16 in 1965 and 1968
Roache, of Wilmslow, denies all the charges - trial will be in January 2014

Another JOKE?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338870/Bill-Roache-told-face-trial-year-alleged-sex-attacks-girls-young-11.html

Nothing to see here peeps!

"I am a serious actor on a famous condescending crass soap and a national treasure of this cuntry HOW could I possible be accused off that"

Because you have been caught out and hopefully but seriously doubt it you will get your just desserts!!

Pass me the sick bag...whose next!! roll up roll up..SH, MC, JT all pure as the golden sun!!

Otherwise know as "PISH"!!:mad:

troyhand
10-06-2013, 06:25 PM
@TROYHAND

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061551946&postcount=69001

What an amazing connection you found! It gets murkier and murkier! As you point out WTF would JIMMY SAVILE be doing at a Tamil genocide conference ?????????? let alone with KEITH VAZ

Among those who attended this conference were Mike Griffiths, a member of the National Executive Committee of the Labour Party, Lord Falconer, former Lord Chancellor, Siobhan McDonaugh, MP, Simon Hughes, MP, Keith Vaz, MP, and Sir Jimmy Savile.

Thx WW. Also, what about Simon Hughes being at this Tamil conference?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Hughes

Simon Henry Ward Hughes, MP (born 17 May 1951) is a British politician and Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats. He is Member of Parliament for the constituency of Bermondsey and Old Southwark. Until 2008 he was President of the Liberal Democrats ... Hughes has twice run unsuccessfully for the leadership of the party and was its unsuccessful candidate for Mayor of London in the 2004 election. He is also Chair of the trustees for the Thames Festival, a weekend of events on London's South Bank.

Hughes was born in Cheshire, England, and partly brought up in Wales. He was privately educated at The Cathedral School, Llandaff where he was Dean's Scholar and Head Boy in 1964; Christ College, Brecon; Selwyn College, Cambridge, ... and the College of Europe in Bruges, ... He moved to Bermondsey in 1981.

Hughes was first elected to Parliament in the Bermondsey by-election of 24 February 1983. The by-election was described by Gay News as "the dirtiest and most notorious by-election in British political history" because of the slurs against the character of the Labour candidate and gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell by various opposition campaigners....

Hughes apologised for the campaign in 2006, during the same few days revealing his own homosexual experiences, and confirming that he is bisexual after being outed by The Sun newspaper.

...He once appeared as part of a dance troupe on Top of the Pops....:eek:
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12923856)

Hughes has never married, although in an interview with The Daily Telegraph in 2006, he claimed he had been turned down by "several women". He denied persistent rumours about his sexuality, when asked if he was gay, saying "The answer is no, as it happens, but if it were the case, which it isn't, I hope that it would not be an issue." Two days later, in an interview with The Independent he again denied being gay, and later in an interview with The Guardian he repeated the denial.

However, on 26 January 2006, after The Sun newspaper told him that they had proof that he had used a gay chat service known as 'Man Talk', Hughes admitted that in the past he had had relationships with both women and men...

...

The following article is not about Simon Hughes MP, but by the Telegraph's Cricket Analyst Simon Hughes. The article is not about Jimmy Savile, but it is about charity work in Sri Lanka. One paragraph made me ill. I don't know what to make of it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/simonhughes/2328671/Tsunami-trip-puts-cricket-into-perspective.html
Tsunami trip puts cricket into perspective
17 Dec 2007

People say England's cricketers are pampered and don't get out much. That hasn't been the case this weekend. On Saturday the squad were split into five groups, to attend various charitable launches or openings....

...The thud of an army helicopter announces the arrival of the Sri Lankan premier, Ratnasiri Wickremanayake, who appears in his traditional white gown. The flags of the two countries are raised and a brass band plays the national anthems. He and the players light a ceremonial lamp and listen to speeches and preachings, after which there is a parade of all the rehoused villagers. Meanwhile, TV cameramen seem more interested in the Barmy Army contingent, and especially their long-haired, top-hatted member known as 'Jimmy Savile'. :confused:

babs123
10-06-2013, 06:30 PM
I remember reading of that in the early days . Another link here



http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/gerry-mccann-in-outburst-after-maddy-sleeping-tablets-overdose-claims-28397351.html

Thanks Branwen, only just seen this as I have been off the forum, partly from having visitors but mainly because this all got a bit much for me, and I felt overwhelmed with the disgusting revelations. :(

troyhand
10-06-2013, 06:51 PM
http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/News/Did-Savile-visit-home-accused-of-abuse-20130609150000.htm

Bedfordshire on Sunday
9 June 2013

Did Savile visit home accused of abuse?
Written by STEVE LOWE

ALLEGATIONS into abuse at a Catholic boys’ home took another twist this week when a former local resident says she saw a priest leaving the home with Jimmy Savile.

Jill Fagg lived in Shefford at the time the priests running St Francis Boys’ Home have been accused of sexual and physical abuse against some of the children.

Many of them are getting together to start a ‘class action’ against the Catholic Church for compensation of the abuse they say they suffered.

The police have also reopened an investigation into the allegations.

Bedfordshire on Sunday has been asking if former boys at the home would be willing to come forward to give evidence and offer support to the action. Now one former resident of Shefford, Jill Fagg, 75, has said she saw Father Johnson, who used to run the home, leave with Jimmy Savile.

Jill said: “I was standing with my friend near the home and said to her to look because that was Jimmy Savile with the priest.

“I am certain it was him.

“I used to hang around, as at the time I was seeing a boy there called John McNamara.

“It was quite difficult as relationships were not allowed and most of the time the boys were not allowed out.

“I am a former Catholic myself and used to attend the church next to the home. ”

Jill she saw Savile in the 1950s and when asked how she would be able to recognise him at that time, she said she did not know, but that it was him and she did see him.

A Facebook page on a website called The Bullingdon Club, not the real club’s site, also states: “There is evidence that Jimmy Savile had a relationship with Shefford, Bedfordshire, both in 1985 and 1945.

“There is one other indication and that is Savile was witnessed by a named person to have been seen in the company of a St Francis Boys’ Home priest in Shefford not related to the other two dates. I’m not convinced yet.”

While neither this statement or Mrs Fagg’s testimony proves that Savile ever visited the boys’ home, we are reporting this in the hope that others will come forward and offer evidence to truth or otherwise of these claims.

The Catholic Church has said it will not comment while police investigations continue.

jond
10-06-2013, 07:22 PM
wow john sergeant talking with alex jones on the BBC One Show just now, first at the Bilderberg meeting in watford and then all of them in the studio talking about bilderberg, freemasons and secret societies
all on prime time tv

is this some kind of double-bluff or what?

we are living in strange times here





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hangthedj
10-06-2013, 07:30 PM
wow john sergeant talking with alex jones on the BBC One Show just now, first at the Bilderberg meeting in watford and then all of them in the studio talking about bilderberg, freemasons and secret societies

is this some kind of double-bluff or what?

we are living in strange times here

In plain sight imo.

If we don't clearly take our rights back that were stolen from us at birth, our consent is assumed. And they are really throwing it in our faces now.

Again imo - this is very deliberate, Bilderberg had it written all over it. Now we have it challenged in Parliament today, pathetically refuted, and still people sleep through it.

Know all this, and acquiesce, and you are held to be complicit.

We need an action plan people - not necessarily physically but definitely spiritually.

harry_brown
10-06-2013, 07:32 PM
Cleared within 29 minutes - must be a record. Wonder who the judge was.

Have faith, they had so much time to consider all the information. :rolleyes:

Judge Clement Goldstone QC said "The defendant was acquitted on the evidence, and rightly so, but it is important that the complainant who is clearly scarred by an experience, should understand that the jury verdicts does not necessarily involve rejection of his account of a sexual encounter or encounters with the defendant."

Soooo... the defendant has been found not guilty but the claimant isn't lying either. :confused:

Then again, he'd already instructed the jury to find him not guilty on two other counts as the claimant couldn't be sure the alleged incidents took place before his 16th birthday. Not "the incidents didn't happen" but merely a doubt as to exactly when. :confused:

I said on here a while back it only takes one of these cases to fail, be thrown out or someone be found not-guilty and the whole thing comes tumbling down. Fair enough if someone is genuinely innocent but stop and think what the MSM, and TPTB will do next. This is a goldmine for them, prepare for the wave of more bullshit to come.

What next? There's one big conspiracy against TV personalities... They've got it in for Corrie I tell you!

troyhand
10-06-2013, 07:33 PM
People say England's cricketers are pampered and don't get out much. That hasn't been the case this weekend. On Saturday the squad were split into five groups, to attend various charitable launches or openings....

...The thud of an army helicopter announces the arrival of the Sri Lankan premier, Ratnasiri Wickremanayake, who appears in his traditional white gown. The flags of the two countries are raised and a brass band plays the national anthems. He and the players light a ceremonial lamp and listen to speeches and preachings, after which there is a parade of all the rehoused villagers. Meanwhile, TV cameramen seem more interested in the Barmy Army contingent, and especially their long-haired, top-hatted member known as 'Jimmy Savile'. :confused:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/james-wharton-profile-a-young-man-in-a-hurry-8619874.html

Like Savile and Vaz, Tory MP James Wharton loves Sri Lanka. What's so important about that place?

James Wharton profile: A young man in a hurry
Friend of Sri Lanka hopes to catch the eye of Tory leaders
16 May 2013

...Wharton’s distaste for Europe is matched by his affection for Sri Lanka, to which he has been a frequent visitor during his short time in Westminster.

The Independent revealed in November that Wharton had made four visits to Sri Lanka in the space of nine months, despite having no significant Sri Lankan community in his constituency or any notable ties to the country. Two of the backbencher’s trips were at the expense of the Sri Lankan government and he was presented with a ceremonial plate by Sri Lanka Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapaksa, who led the Army in the country’s bloody civil war.

Wharton, who has contributed to Parliamentary debates on Sri Lanka, has repeatedly attended Sri Lankan official events in London, twice meeting the President Mahinda Rajapaksa.

He denied being a cheerleader for its government. “I don’t think it’s disproportionate or unreasonable, no,” he said. Given the vulnerability of his Stockton South seat it is, perhaps, unsurprising that Wharton should be looking to develop an expertise in foreign affairs.

...

Oh Ok. I know what James Wharton's about now. :rolleyes:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/giant-penis-statues-and-the-referendum-bill-mp-8619229.html
London Evening Standard

Giant penis statues and the referendum bill MP
16 May 2013

The Tory MP piloting the referendum Bill has championed a businessman who sells giant penis statues.

James Wharton reportedly tried to persuade a quango to hand over £30,000 of public money to a former Conservative colleague who creates the statues as garden ornaments.

North Yorkshire shopkeeper Jason Hadlow made headlines when police seized a 4ft sandstone penis from his furniture store. He launched a “Free Willy” campaign to demand its return.

Mr Wharton, who had no financial link with Mr Hadlow, took up his case for an aid grant.

The MP has also controversially made four trips to Sri Lanka, where he reportedly shook hands with the defence secretary.
...

http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/16/who-is-james-wharton-profile-of-mp-who-will-table-governments-eu-referendum-legislation-as-a-private-members-bill-3763424/

...Mr Wharton opposed gay marriage (but likes big stone penises), the forest sell-off and was one of 53 Conservative MPs who voted against the government to call for a cut in the EU budget from 2014...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/curious-career-of-james-wharton--david-camerons-eu-referendum-bill-stooge-8618410.html

conspiracythierry
10-06-2013, 07:47 PM
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmhaff/68/68i.pdf

Must do better.

jond
10-06-2013, 07:49 PM
In plain sight imo.

If we don't clearly take our rights back that were stolen from us at birth, our consent is assumed. And they are really throwing it in our faces now.

Again imo - this is very deliberate, Bilderberg had it written all over it. Now we have it challenged in Parliament today, pathetically refuted, and still people sleep through it.

Know all this, and acquiesce, and you are held to be complicit.

We need an action plan people - not necessarily physically but definitely spiritually.

bilderberg have now appointed a PR team for the first time
that tells you everything...


a true secret society though is one which the vast majority of people do not even know exists
like the savile paedophile ring -
like the one being uncovered now through savile, elm house, welsh care homes, Haut de la Garenne in jersey

we've only had a glimpse of what is really going on




.

welshwitch
10-06-2013, 07:53 PM
BILL MALONEY and BEN FELLOWS attack the paedophile dens

Not sure if this interview between the two of them has been shown before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hiSBYsK1iMk#!

Not overlooking other content and threads - just this gives more background on Bill Maloney's take on things too.

I just hope Bill remains safe - somehow I am uncomfortable with this latest timed round of disappearance, reappearance and revelations all around Bildeberg.

Like Sergeant & Jones - Neill - all the 'lizard feature' Camoron cartoons - they are taking the piss big time - almost turning the tables and flaunting - the ''so what'' - you are all insignificant card.

Difficulty is reading their move - what reaction are they wanting to engender - what outcome are they manipulating towards..................

Makes me think we also have to change our MO more radically. Their perceived authority needs to be challenged at every level - at every opportunity - everyday - every way ON EVERY ISSUE.

We need to challenge their systems.

This might be one way:

http://trollthensa.com/
COUNTDOWN TO THE MASS CALL/EMAIL - 7:00PM EST WEDNESDAY, JUNE 12, 2013

jond
10-06-2013, 08:07 PM
one thing i do know is that every stunt these fuckers pull through the media is just a further nail in the coffin of their decrepit old boys network

every twist and turn they can think of is instantly recognised for what it is and ridiculed lol

troyhand
10-06-2013, 08:25 PM
Makes me think we also have to change our MO more radically. Their perceived authority needs to be challenged at every level - at every opportunity - everyday - every way ON EVERY ISSUE.

We need to challenge their systems.

This might be one way:

http://trollthensa.com/

THIS IS A GREAT IDEA! Thx for the link WW!

troyhand
10-06-2013, 08:56 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/three-men-arrested-after-oxford-guest-house-raided-in-child-sex-abuse-investigation-8652858.html

The Independent
Three men arrested after Oxford guest house raided in child sex abuse investigation
Kevin Rawlinson
Monday 10 June 2013

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TJufudECDMc/UZ_cyOMbkUI/AAAAAAAAAJY/iUr9gwAPoR4/w443-h590-no/nanford.jpg

Police investigating the sexual abuse of children in Oxford have arrested three men after raiding a guest house used regularly by a paedophile ring operating in the city.

The swoop at the Nanford Guest House was part of Operation Bullfinch, which has already secured the convictions of seven gang members on trafficking and other sexual offence charges.

Sources named the three men as guest house owner Jeremiah Cronin, 81, and his sons Bartholomew, 49, and John, 48. The three were said to run the bed and breakfast, to which each of the six victims in the four-month Bullfinch trial were taken to be abused.

Police refused to confirm the names but a Thames Valley Police spokesman said that “men aged 81, 49 and 48, were arrested on suspicion of being a landlord letting a premises for use as a brothel, causing or inciting child prostitution for gain and encouraging / assisting in an offence believing it will be committed, namely rape and causing child prostitution.

“Officers executed the warrant under section 8 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act at the Nanford Guest House in Iffley Road”.

The spokesman added: “The warrant is in relation to information that came to light during the recent trial at the Old Bailey where evidence was heard that the guest house had been used to facilitate child sexual exploitation.”

Police also searched another property in nearby Sunningwell. Three nearby hotels in Oxford were also closed as Oxford City Council’s Environmental Health team carried out investigations.

A spokesman for the hotel said: “We have nothing to say when so much has already been said. We are innocent until proven guilty and have nothing more to add." The spokesman told the Oxford Mail: “We have a hotel to run and will continue to do that.”

All three men were bailed until 4 September and the guest house, once judged among Britain’s worst, was reportedly open for business again immediately after the arrests last Thursday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/three-men-arrested-after-oxford-guest-house-raided-in-child-sex-abuse-investigation-8652858.html
...



Oxford child sex gang: 999 call reporting Nanford guesthouse rape
An attack on one of the girls at Nanford Guest House in Oxford was reported by a man staying in a neighbouring room after he heard shouting and violence.
6:30PM BST 14 May 2013
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10057322/Oxford-child-sex-gang-999-call-reporting-Nanford-guesthouse-rape.html
(999 call audio call on website link)

A group of men who groomed six girls as young as 11 were today convicted of repeatedly raping them and selling them for sex.

The girls were taken to houses, guesthouses or hotels around Oxford, or to London and Bournemouth where they were abused for days on end.

A man staying at the Nanford Guest House on Iffley Road in Oxford, where the men regularly brought the girls, reported hearing cries coming from the room next to his.

In a 999 call played to the jury, he said he had heard a "woman being slapped about" and "shouting".

The six girls were abused over a period of nine years. Thames Valley Police today said they "deeply regret" not identifying sooner that they were dealing with a gang.

oonalu
10-06-2013, 08:57 PM
Phil Hogan TD (MP) for Carlow/Kilkenny , at last , in a parliamentary sitting on Wednesday evening , proclaimed that a paedophile ring was and is operating in the Irish Republic . Hogan said a former government Health Dept official , who was in charge of investigating allegations against paedophiles , was himself a paedophile.




http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/PaedonetIre.htm

oonalu
10-06-2013, 08:59 PM
Paedophile ring 'abused children in State homes'
Members of gardai, clergy and civil service infiltrated childcare system




http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/paedophile-ring-abused-children-in-state-homes-26540184.html

strombone
10-06-2013, 09:04 PM
The following article is not about Simon Hughes MP, but by the Telegraph's Cricket Analyst Simon Hughes. The article is not about Jimmy Savile, but it is about charity work in Sri Lanka. One paragraph made me ill. I don't know what to make of it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/simonhughes/2328671/Tsunami-trip-puts-cricket-into-perspective.html
Tsunami trip puts cricket into perspective
17 Dec 2007

People say England's cricketers are pampered and don't get out much. That hasn't been the case this weekend. On Saturday the squad were split into five groups, to attend various charitable launches or openings....

...The thud of an army helicopter announces the arrival of the Sri Lankan premier, Ratnasiri Wickremanayake, who appears in his traditional white gown. The flags of the two countries are raised and a brass band plays the national anthems. He and the players light a ceremonial lamp and listen to speeches and preachings, after which there is a parade of all the rehoused villagers. Meanwhile, TV cameramen seem more interested in the Barmy Army contingent, and especially their long-haired, top-hatted member known as 'Jimmy Savile'. :confused:

Troyhand - this is about a Vic Flowers aka 'Jimmy Savile' who was a prominent colourful follower of English cricket team

dopey
10-06-2013, 09:08 PM
On 12th July 1989 a Dutch newspaper reported a story under the headline "Four Englishmen arrested for making child porn"

Ring a bell with anyone? If not keep your eyes peeled for anything that could refer to that.

troyhand
10-06-2013, 09:12 PM
Troyhand - this is about a Vic Flowers aka 'Jimmy Savile' who was a prominent colourful follower of English cricket team

(It was the English soccer team who had a prominent colourful supporter who was a paedophile)

Thx for reminding me, strom. I remember reading about "Vic Flowers." I was wondering what a Barmy army was. Just googled it.

But still.... "Hey, Mates! We're all going to Sri Lanka! And you! Creepy Jimmy Savile lookalike clone! You're going too, and we'll make sure to give you lots of press!"

I know they were at Sri Lanka in 2007 before everybody knew Savile, but it still looks like Paedo Product Placement of Power-crazed Perverts from TPTB. Selling people to accept "the white worm" (Savile).

oonalu
10-06-2013, 09:13 PM
http://vrritti.com/2012/12/23/dutch-blog-suggests-link-between-joris-demmink-and-marc-dutroux-has-recently-been-arrested-in-uk-warwick-spinks/





http://www.boublog.nl/24/04/2013/andre-vergeer-het-rioolputje-van-zeden-1/



Anyone translate ?

welshwitch
10-06-2013, 09:17 PM
On 12th July 1989 a Dutch newspaper reported a story under the headline "Four Englishmen arrested for making child porn"

Ring a bell with anyone? If not keep your eyes peeled for anything that could refer to that.

(148)

"Vier Britten gearresteerd voor het maken kinderporno," (Four Englishmen arrested for making child pornography), NRC Handelsblad, 12 July 1989. [Back]

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_2_1_6.htm

http://www.nrc.nl/

This may be the ref you already have ? Can't track back easily on NRC - maybe need a Dutch speaker to have a trawl?

dopey
10-06-2013, 09:21 PM
(148)

"Vier Britten gearresteerd voor het maken kinderporno," (Four Englishmen arrested for making child pornography), NRC Handelsblad, 12 July 1989. [Back]

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume4/j4_2_1_6.htm

http://www.nrc.nl/

This may be the ref you already have ? Can't track back easily on NRC - maybe need a Dutch speaker to have a trawl?


Yeah, that's where I found it.
Any Dutch speakers in the house lol?

achilles heel
10-06-2013, 09:27 PM
This amazing thread has just gone over the 8 million mark.:)

oonalu
10-06-2013, 09:33 PM
I was aware, of course, of the existence of organised paedophile networks. In 1987, Commissioner Yves Zimmer, of the Police Judiciaire of Brussels, asked me to contact two notorious paedophiles and try to discover more about their activities in the building where UNICEF Brussels was located. Two days later I brought some meagre pieces of information to Zimmer. The networks operated under a cover organization called CRIES. A so called Centre of Research, that was dependent on UNICEF, and whose computer system allowed ‘clients’ to discretely serve themselves fresh pleasures of the flesh.

When the CRIES affair exploded in the press, Commissioner Zimmer said to me in his office ‘You can drop this affair. We will not be able to go further. Some of the clients are highly placed…’





When John Stamford suddenly died, a large number of paedophiles will have given a great sigh of relief! The investigation was halted, and has gathered dust ever since. Again, no attempt was made to share this information with other countries. If they managed to persuade the Belgian authorities to open up the case file (it is located in Turnhout in the north of the country), they will discover a great deal of very interesting information about British paedophiles. I think, however, that they will have more chance getting blood out of a stone.



http://www.bendevannijvel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=720

sweetcheeks
10-06-2013, 09:33 PM
Sri Lanka Link here maybe? tamils are in sri lanka, I would like to know why he was there?

ps I know its in sydney, but the meeting to do with something in sri lanka, where matthew kelly wanders around naked in front of kids, and where the late Arthur C Clarke had a home, a hot bed for child sex

Among those who attended this conference were Mike Griffiths, a member of the National Executive Committee of the Labour Party, Lord Falconer, former Lord Chancellor, Siobhan McDonaugh, MP, Simon Hughes, MP, Keith Vaz, MP, and Sir Jimmy Savile.



http://www.island.lk/2009/03/29/news6.html

Really interesting to come back from The Bilderberg Festival and see Simon Hughes MP being mentioned here. Synchronicity.

I met someone there who had close connections to the police and Parliament. He told me that Simon Hughes is well known for bringing young boys into Parliament and that the police have been told not to do anything about it and not to approach him concerning it. Apparently the police are not at all happy about it.

So we have Simon Hughes linked to Savile via TOTP and also this Tamil Group and now it appears that Simon also has paedophile tendencies. The tentacles of this are just ever expanding.

Interesting to also see Lord Falconer at the same Tamil meeting, he was trying to push internet censorship.

In February 2008, Lord Falconer told a BBC radio program that the government should require certain news articles to be removed from online archives during sensitive trials.[10] This move was questioned as the articles were readily available in printed newspapers and other physical media, presenting a possible misunderstanding of the internet as a medium

achilles heel
10-06-2013, 10:09 PM
I just found this site. The author had written to Simon Hughes regarding
Operation Ore but had received no reply. The article lists the professions of some of the abusers, politicians, churchmen, senior civil servants, top policemen and military officers.

http://theduckshoot.com/lobby-your-mp-to-stop-the-cover-up/

Apologies if this has already been posted.

bossman10
10-06-2013, 10:16 PM
Child grooming and paedophile rings are very much in the news currently. Many of the cases highlighted by the media have focused on Asian Muslim men grooming white girls, but what has been largely swept under the carpet by the press to date is the increasingly widely available evidence on the Internet about rings involving powerful politicians and public figures.

More


http://thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/the-tip-of-the-iceberg/

welshwitch
10-06-2013, 10:24 PM
http://theneedleblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/capture3.pnghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-98ogCKseP18/UQDqxU85YhI/AAAAAAAASfo/v-Ms881VHWY/s1600/leon+brittan+expertise+child+abuse.jpg


Louis has a BAD MEMORY

He can't remember being at Richmond at the time of the ELM GUEST HOUSE SCANDAL.

Leon has a BAD MEMORY

He can't remember receiving Dickens TWO dossiers on PIE MEMBERS at the time of the ELM GUEST HOUSE SCANDAL.

Louis is named on Mary Moss ELM GUEST LIST.

Leon is named on Mary Moss ELM GUEST LIST.

Louis got moved on when things went wrong

Leon got moved on when things went wrong

Leon and Louis seem to have a lot in common

Leon and Louis even have similar features

I wonder if Leon and Louis have other traits in common?
*curious face*

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/compensation-culture/
http://charlesfrith.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/getting-angrier-by-day-bbcnews-are.html

marlowe
10-06-2013, 10:28 PM
Really interesting to come back from The Bilderberg Festival and see Simon Hughes MP being mentioned here. Synchronicity.

I met someone there who had close connections to the police and Parliament. He told me that Simon Hughes is well known for bringing young boys into Parliament and that the police have been told not to do anything about it and not to approach him concerning it. Apparently the police are not at all happy about it.

So we have Simon Hughes linked to Savile via TOTP and also this Tamil Group and now it appears that Simon also has paedophile tendencies. The tentacles of this are just ever expanding.

Interesting to also see Lord Falconer at the same Tamil meeting, he was trying to push internet censorship.

There are so many of them...people always quote that 'Paedogeddon' thing to imply hysteria and 'witch hunts', but that was made before the internet brought all this info to people and before the Jimmy Savile outing blew open a hole in the carapace of secrecy and ignorance. They're just everywhere, in the establishment.

abrakebabra
10-06-2013, 10:32 PM
Programme on BBC4 just now about child abuse and cover-ups in the Catholic Church. How about a programme exposing the very same in the BBC, BBC?

troyhand
10-06-2013, 10:45 PM
Keith Vaz loves APPGs.

http://www.keithvazmp.com/biography/
...His interests include health issues, in particular diabetes prevention, Yemen, and Tamil issues. He chairs the All Party Parliamentary Group on Yemen and founded the All Party Parliamentary Tamil Group and is a former President of the Indo-British Parliamentary Group.

http://www.barcouncil.org.uk/media-centre/in-parliament/appg-for-legal-and-constitutional-affairs/
The Bar Council and the Law Society provide the secretariat for the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Legal and Constitutional Affairs (APPG).
...Officers of APPG
Chair: The Rt. Hon. the Lord Hunt of Wirral
Vice-Chairs: The Lord Brennan QC, the Lord Neill of Bladen QC, the Lord Bach, the Lord Burnett, the Rt. Hon. the Lord Clinton-Davis, Shailesh Vara MP, the Rt. Hon. Keith Vaz MP

All-Party Parliamentary Group for Guinea-Bissau (All-Party Parliamentary Group for Guinea-Bissau)
Chair Lord Teverson
Vice-Chairs Mark Pritchard
Vice-Chairs Keith Vaz
Vice-Chairs Ian Paisley

http://appgsecurity.com/appg_on_specialist_security/members
Members of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Specialist Security
...Member: Keith Vaz

http://skeptical-voter.org/wiki/index.php?title=All-Party_Parliamentary_Group_for_Integrated_Healthcar e
All-Party Parliamentary Group for Integrated Healthcare
Vice-Chair: Valerie Vaz (Labour)
Qualifying members - main opposition party: ...Keith Vaz MP

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/diabetes.htm
All-Party Parliamentary Group for Diabetes
Chair Adrian Sanders
Vice-Chairs Keith Vaz, Anne McIntosh, Lord Harrison

http://www.appg-preventpneumo.org/members.cfm
All Party Parliamentary Group for Child Health and Vaccine Preventable Diseases
Member: Keith Vaz

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/bangladesh.htm
All-Party Parliamentary Group on Bangladesh
Member: Keith Vaz

http://www.dodsmonitoring.com/downloads/Misc_Files/APPG_Guide.pdf
All-Party Parliamentary Group on the Holy See
OFFICERS
Chairs: David Amess Con
Joe Benton Lab
Vice-Chairs: Mark Pritchard Con
Keith Vaz Lab

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10107825/Keith-Vazs-special-interest-in-Fiji-puzzles-his-multi-cultural-constituents.html
Keith Vaz's special interest in Fiji puzzles his multi-cultural constituents
Why was Labour MP Keith Vaz so keen to join an all-party Parliamentary group on Fiji? The Telegraph visited his Leicester constituency to find out.
09 Jun 2013

....

http://alittleecon.wordpress.com/2013/06/02/all-party-parliamentary-groups-just-an-excuse-for-free-trips-to-nice-places/
All-Party Parliamentary Groups – Just an excuse for free trips to exotic places? (I'm betting he has other reasons, too.:mad:)
2 June 2013
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322846/Schoolboy-error-Keith-Vazs-playground-photocall-falls-embarrassingly-flat-tumbles-face-roundabout.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Schoolboy error! Keith Vaz's playground photocall falls embarrassingly flat after he tumbles face first off a roundabout
10 May 2013
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduja_Group
Keith Vaz connected to the Hinduja Brothers

sweetcheeks
10-06-2013, 11:05 PM
Operation Fernbridge

More than 300 lines of inquiry are being pursued by officers investigating alleged child abuse at a London guesthouse during the early 1980s.

In total seven officers have been assigned and about £25,000 has been spent on the investigation since its launch in January, the Met's response to a Freedom of Information request by a newspaper revealed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22841065

bossman10
10-06-2013, 11:22 PM
Operation Fernbridge

More than 300 lines of inquiry are being pursued by officers investigating alleged child abuse at a London guesthouse during the early 1980s.

In total seven officers have been assigned and about £25,000 has been spent on the investigation since its launch in January, the Met's response to a Freedom of Information request by a newspaper revealed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22841065


That equates to £175 per officer per week. If you want the best then you have to pay for it.

WTF

Pity Jimmy Savile wasn't into phone hacking !!!

welshwitch
10-06-2013, 11:30 PM
Yeah, that's where I found it.
Any Dutch speakers in the house lol?


Derek Brown, who had spoken about a snuff movie made about the sexual abuse and murder of 14year old Jason Swift in 1985, for which a Small number of the group was convicted. Brown was convicted in the Netherlands in 1989 for making child porn videos using Dutch and Moroccan children, and his friends Mark Enfield, who was also an accomplice in the murder of Jason Swift, but has never been questioned.

http://brynalynvictims.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/french-horror-at-dickens-dossier.html

Again probs old ground - but the timescale and offence could relate to the names mentioned?

troyhand
10-06-2013, 11:37 PM
Somebody did a writeup on Keith Vaz's associate Jimmy Savile at the British Tamil Forum November 2012. So much info, hard to keep it from getting lost.

Here's the link...
http://thecarthaginiansolution.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/could-jimmy-savile-fix-it-for-the-ltte-wtf/
Could Jimmy Savile Fix It for the LTTE? WTF?
13 November 2012

http://thecarthaginiansolution.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/savile-at-wtm-conference-in-2009.jpg

...Sir Jimmy, noted philanthropist, fundraiser for worthy children’s charities and now suspected of being a long-term (...) paedophile was a keynote supporter and speaker at the 2009 WTF (wtf?) conference. Had the ... paedophile (yuck) and ... necrophile (more yuck!) Sir Jimmy Savile heard about the LTTE’s child soldiers and baby brigades?...

http://thecarthaginiansolution.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/vp_jimmy.jpg

Here's the official Forum's press
http://www.tamilsydney.com/content/view/2030/3/
and press release...
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=28854
http://tamilsforum.co.uk/media/video/

dopey
10-06-2013, 11:47 PM
Somebody did a writeup on Keith Vaz's associate Jimmy Savile at the British Tamil Forum November 2012. So much info, hard to keep it from getting lost.

Here's the link...
http://thecarthaginiansolution.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/could-jimmy-savile-fix-it-for-the-ltte-wtf/
Could Jimmy Savile Fix It for the LTTE? WTF?
13 November 2012

http://thecarthaginiansolution.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/savile-at-wtm-conference-in-2009.jpg

...Sir Jimmy, noted philanthropist, fundraiser for worthy children’s charities and now suspected of being a long-term (...) paedophile was a keynote supporter and speaker at the 2009 WTF (wtf?) conference. Had the ... paedophile (yuck) and ... necrophile (more yuck!) Sir Jimmy Savile heard about the LTTE’s child soldiers and baby brigades?...

http://thecarthaginiansolution.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/vp_jimmy.jpg

Here's the official Forum's press
http://www.tamilsydney.com/content/view/2030/3/
and press release...
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=28854
http://tamilsforum.co.uk/media/video/


That second photo's photoshopped. It was raised and mentioned around page 1314 or 1315.

dopey
10-06-2013, 11:49 PM
Derek Brown, who had spoken about a snuff movie made about the sexual abuse and murder of 14year old Jason Swift in 1985, for which a Small number of the group was convicted. Brown was convicted in the Netherlands in 1989 for making child porn videos using Dutch and Moroccan children, and his friends Mark Enfield, who was also an accomplice in the murder of Jason Swift, but has never been questioned.

http://brynalynvictims.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/french-horror-at-dickens-dossier.html

Again probs old ground - but the timescale and offence could relate to the names mentioned?

That's maybe it then. I don't know how long it took back then from arrest to trial in the Netherlands but that could well be the case. Thanks WW.

achilles heel
10-06-2013, 11:51 PM
BILL MALONEY and BEN FELLOWS attack the paedophile dens

Not sure if this interview between the two of them has been shown before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hiSBYsK1iMk#!

Not overlooking other content and threads - just this gives more background on Bill Maloney's take on things too.

I just hope Bill remains safe - somehow I am uncomfortable with this latest timed round of disappearance, reappearance and revelations all around Bildeberg.

Like Sergeant & Jones - Neill - all the 'lizard feature' Camoron cartoons - they are taking the piss big time - almost turning the tables and flaunting - the ''so what'' - you are all insignificant card.

Difficulty is reading their move - what reaction are they wanting to engender - what outcome are they manipulating towards..................

Makes me think we also have to change our MO more radically. Their perceived authority needs to be challenged at every level - at every opportunity - everyday - every way ON EVERY ISSUE.

We need to challenge their systems.

This might be one way:

http://trollthensa.com/

I remember, when the 2010 Bilderberg meeting was being planned, that England was avoided. The destination of Sitges, Spain was chosen instead. I remember reading several articles at that time about the reasons and have found reference to it on the Prisonplanet site. The reason cited for England not being the 2010 destination was that there was increased awareness of the group and an expectation that they would receive unwanted press attention/sizeable demonstrations. How strange then that they should hold the 2013 meeting here.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg-to-prolong-global-financial-recession-for-another-year.html

troyhand
10-06-2013, 11:56 PM
That second photo's photoshopped. It was raised and mentioned around page 1314 or 1315.

The photoshop of second pic is obvious. That's why I pasted it without comment.
This is old news true. But it's good to know that Keith Vaz and Simon Hughes were involved with this too, I think.

oonalu
11-06-2013, 12:01 AM
the queen misses commonwealth summit in sri lanka



http://uk.onlinenigeria.com/latest-additions/111214-the-queen-misses-commonwealth-summit-in-sri-lanka.html



A lot more to this then long haul excuse ;)

casey_lu
11-06-2013, 12:03 AM
BILL MALONEY and BEN FELLOWS attack the paedophile dens

Not sure if this interview between the two of them has been shown before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hiSBYsK1iMk#!

Not overlooking other content and threads - just this gives more background on Bill Maloney's take on things too.

I just hope Bill remains safe - somehow I am uncomfortable with this latest timed round of disappearance, reappearance and revelations all around Bildeberg.

Like Sergeant & Jones - Neill - all the 'lizard feature' Camoron cartoons - they are taking the piss big time - almost turning the tables and flaunting - the ''so what'' - you are all insignificant card.

Difficulty is reading their move - what reaction are they wanting to engender - what outcome are they manipulating towards..................

Makes me think we also have to change our MO more radically. Their perceived authority needs to be challenged at every level - at every opportunity - everyday - every way ON EVERY ISSUE.

We need to challenge their systems.

This might be one way:

http://trollthensa.com/

Many thanks for posting this link WW. Had not seen that video of Bill Maloney & Ben Fellows before. Interesting what they said about Cameron, amongst others. Hope they stay safe, very brave men.

hawker
11-06-2013, 12:05 AM
Ohhh well done "turbo eyes" :D

The only one that I made out was the difficult arsehole one.

We could do with a screenshot photo of "John" on the Bjorn tape.

I'd heard of Howells before but not Bovver Boots neither.
"John"

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p773/Tajas1/Elm%20-%20Current/john_pv_001a_zpsc0eb492d.jpg

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p773/Tajas1/Elm%20-%20Current/john_pv_002_zps108e8327.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZbbxHFKHQ

Looks quite a bit like Spinks himself to me.

South coast of England, mustache...

oonalu
11-06-2013, 12:09 AM
Sir Cliff Richard 'prays for his enemies' and says there would be fewer wars if people were more spiritual



Sir Cliff original met McElynn, now 56, in 2001 in New York.
Explaining their friendship, the star wrote: 'He is a companion which is great as I don't like living alone.'
McElynn is now labelled as the star's 'property manager'.
And he has remained by Sir Cliff's side despite recent changes amongst the veteran's entourage.
The Mail revealed in July how Sir Cliff's loyal PA Gill Snow had been axed from the firm. She was 'very sad' at the decision, according to friends.
Bill Latham, the former religious education teacher who used to manage Cliff, and who lived with him for 30 years, retired last year, aged 72.
David Bryce, who was his tour manager from the early Sixties, has also gone. And entrepreneur Sheila Pickles, who helped develop Sir Cliff's Miss You Nights perfume and Mistletoe & Wine earrings, was also said to have stopped working with him.
That has left McElynn and Malcolm Smith, who is managing director of the Cliff Richard Organisation, with enhanced stature.


:rolleyes:





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2041751/Sir-Cliff-Richard-praying-enemies.html

dopey
11-06-2013, 12:13 AM
"John"

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p773/Tajas1/Elm%20-%20Current/john_pv_001a_zpsc0eb492d.jpg

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p773/Tajas1/Elm%20-%20Current/john_pv_002_zps108e8327.jpg


Brilliant!
Thanks very much Hawker.

They'll (cops) have had a much clearer enhanced photo too...so why didn't they circulate it?

oonalu
11-06-2013, 12:20 AM
http://cliffricharddyinginside.tumblr.com/

hawker
11-06-2013, 12:26 AM
Brilliant!
Thanks very much Hawker.

They'll (cops) have had a much clearer enhanced photo too...so why didn't they circulate it?

Because they already know who it is?

10:10 in the video. The "Gay Place" where Spinks worked.

54:25, Edward himself accidentally calls the location the
Gay "Palace".

Gay Place = typo = Gay Palace:

"While he was there, this informant said, he had visited the Gay Palace
across the road, where he had watched videos of boys in bondage, aged
11 to 14 years old, being buggered by masked men".

"As the Guardian reported in 1997, another gay man, Edward,
claimed to have seen five Amsterdam videos, each featuring the
sexual torture and death of a boy. Dutch police investigated and
said they could find no evidence".

"Terry, Frank, Edward and Spinks certainly mixed with the
paedophile colony in Amsterdam in 1989/90 and all four separately
claim at least one boy was killed on video".

"Spinks had been running a mail order pornography business
from Brighton, before he moved to Amsterdam".

"Scotland Yard were in a difficult position: their informants were British
and so was Warwick Spinks, who by this time had left Amsterdam and
was living in Hastings, East Sussex".

"CEOP said Spinks was convicted in 1995 at Lewes Crown Court
of numerous sexual offences against boys in Hastings".

"The Sunday People has put paid to Spinks’s sick scheme
by blowing his cover. We can reveal today how he:

SHAVED off his mustache in a bid to alter his appearance
and rarely ventures far without minders".

http://www.nickdavies.net/2000/10/01/paedophilia-is-easy-2-how-a-paedophile-murder-inquiry-fell-apart/

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2012/07/04/warwick-spinks-greenwich/

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/elm-guest-house-child-sexual-abuse/elm-guest-house-links-to-holland/

strikeback
11-06-2013, 12:26 AM
Sri Lanka has long been seen as a key strategic site and MI6, Mossad and the CIA have staged many operations there. Worth searching Sri Lanka on aangirfan's blog for a wealth of info.

It's little wonder that Special Agent OO Savile, Licensed To Rape Children by Her Majesty's Government, should be sent there on secret assignments with some of his well-protected colleagues.

oonalu
11-06-2013, 12:55 AM
Only eighteen years old, Royston wrote Driftin’ With Cliff, in which he described life on the road with Britain’s top pop singer, Cliff Richard. Turner described Royston as
. . . Britain’s first teenage pundit, an Allen Ginsberg of suburban London. The fact that he wore a beard and had worked as an office boy, duster salesman, gardener, milk-bottle washer, building labourer, and farm hand by the age of eighteen helped confirm the image. . . . His first volume of poems, Jiving to Gyp, was dedicated [to Cliff Richard], and he was soon asked by television programmes to explain what teenagers were all about. He ended up with his own series, “Living For Kicks,” in which he explored the controversial issues of the day such as pep pills and sex before marriage.
Ellis appeared in Wonderful Life (1963, a movie with Cliff Richard) and starred in a TV drama in Sinhala (1998).
Ellis met up with Cliff Richard after 44 years when they had tea together in a hotel near Ellis's home in Sri Lanka during Cliff's visit for a concert in Colombo in February 2007.
Cliff Richard, parenthetically, became a born-again Christian.
The Beats







- Ellis at his home in Sri Lanka, with friends Kumara, Neel, and Gayan]]
Since 1980 he has lived in Sri Lanka and covered the Indian Ocean by writing guide books. India By Rail (1993), an insider’s view, tells how 7,000 trains operate throughout India. He also has written The Story of Tea as well as travel books and articles about Mauritius, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives.
As to life in Sri Lanka, Ellis has written,
In the early 1990s I spent several months in a Buddhist monastery in Alawwa, Sri Lanka, at the invitation of the chief priest. I credit him with giving me the serenity one needs to survive in a country as fraught with traumas as Sri Lanka.
During the 2004 tsunami, I was at sea on a cruise ship, Hebridean Spirit, off Goa and so missed the destruction on Sri Lanka's coast. But fortunately my own cottage, on a bluff overlooking the railway line, the road, and the sea, was not affected. Upon my return I was able to assist several local families in resettlement.




In 1983, some of Ellis’s poetry from "Cherry Boy" was included in The Penguin Book of Homosexual Verse.



http://www.philosopedia.org/index.php/Royston_Ellis

sweetcheeks
11-06-2013, 12:57 AM
Many thanks for posting this link WW. Had not seen that video of Bill Maloney & Ben Fellows before. Interesting what they said about Cameron, amongst others. Hope they stay safe, very brave men.

I met and chatted with Ben Fellows at the Bilderberg Festival and then spent about an hour with him on Sunday at the pub after the festival closed. What a nice guy, so genuine and unassuming.
I told him about this thread, Anders, what we were achieving here together, and how we were all rooting for him, and said we were a good group of people if he ever needed help.
I mentioned that I had read somewhere that he had now turned up and that his 'disappearance' had all just been a publicity stunt. He categorically denies that and said that he had received credible threats and feared for his and his family's safety.
I am sure that we all wish him the very best, it is not every man that can stand up to evil as he has done. A very brave man.

The one thing that I found most upsetting at the festival, was the hugh quote by Kenneth Clarke on the front of the press tent. Given that Clarke's name is being negatively mentioned at this time online, and also that he was attending the Bilderberg Conference himself, it just seemed bloody insensitive and more than just a coincidence. The press seem to love to rub our noses in it.

oonalu
11-06-2013, 12:59 AM
SRI LANKAN CONNECTIONS




http://wasm.us/srilanka.html

discovery77
11-06-2013, 01:01 AM
Because they already know who it is?

10:10 in the video. The "Gay Place" where Spinks worked.

Gay Place = typo = Gay Palace:

"While he was there, this informant said, he had visited the Gay Palace
across the road, where he had watched videos of boys in bondage, aged
11 to 14 years old, being buggered by masked men".

"As the Guardian reported in 1997, another gay man, Edward,
claimed to have seen five Amsterdam videos, each featuring the
sexual torture and death of a boy. Dutch police investigated and
said they could find no evidence".

"Terry, Frank, Edward and Spinks certainly mixed with the
paedophile colony in Amsterdam in 1989/90 and all four separately
claim at least one boy was killed on video".

"Spinks had been running a mail order pornography business
from Brighton, before he moved to Amsterdam".

"Scotland Yard were in a difficult position: their informants were British
and so was Warwick Spinks, who by this time had left Amsterdam and
was living in Hastings, East Sussex".

"CEOP said Spinks was convicted in 1995 at Lewes Crown Court
of numerous sexual offences against boys in Hastings".

"The Sunday People has put paid to Spinks’s sick scheme
by blowing his cover. We can reveal today how he:

SHAVED off his mustache in a bid to alter his appearance
and rarely ventures far without minders".

http://www.nickdavies.net/2000/10/01/paedophilia-is-easy-2-how-a-paedophile-murder-inquiry-fell-apart/

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2012/07/04/warwick-spinks-greenwich/

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/elm-guest-house-child-sexual-abuse/elm-guest-house-links-to-holland/

The tasteless moustache did make me wonder...

Did Spinks know Alan Williams before Amsterdam by the way? They certainly seem close when they had those bars opposite eachother, sharing vids and wot not.

(they both trafficked boys from London too.)

discovery77
11-06-2013, 01:14 AM
This paragraph in Davies article does suggest Spinks only worked in Gay Palace doesnt it.


Spinks is a paedophile of grandiose ambition, a man who has commercialised his obsession, first by running an agency in Britain which sold boys to like-minded punters, and then by moving to Amsterdam where, as the Guardian disclosed, he worked in brothels and joined a group of British men who produced videos in which five boys were alleged to have been raped and murdered for the pleasure of viewers.
http://www.nickdavies.net/1998/04/01/the-sheer-scale-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-britain/

(or was it he worked in other brothels first too?)

But then this one, written 2 years later, says ''running''

Legal front
One of the first to do so was Alan Williams, the "Welsh Witch", who already had a vicious history of abusing boys in south Wales. Williams arrived in Amsterdam in 1988, aged 21, and soon set himself up as the manager of a gay brothel called Boys Club 21 at 21 Spuistraat, near the central station. Across the road at number 44, another British paedophile, a chubby Londoner named Warwick Spinks, then aged 25, was running a similar club called the Gay Palace. Both clubs had a legal business, running a bar and offering the services of adult male prostitutes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/nov/27/childprotection.uk

tangodeltafoxtrot
11-06-2013, 01:18 AM
That equates to £175 per officer per week. If you want the best then you have to pay for it.

That figure is for incidentals I assume - don't think it includes salaries which are a fixed cost.

discovery77
11-06-2013, 01:23 AM
Cant stop thinking about that poor little boy shouting out ''your face!'' on that video. Poor little mite, sounded so so young, and giving the hateful pervert warning not to show his face on camera. God I hate hate hate Spinks. Despicable evil. And remember what he said about causing pain and enjoying it.

God Im incensed tonight. Incensed and upset. this man needs to get back to jail - pronto.

discovery77
11-06-2013, 01:40 AM
as they say - dont get mad - get even. Lets get that little creep.

I think Spinks is closely associated with Sidney Cooke's ring, who is also associated with Elm Guest House.

''We can reveal that the former minister is suspected of being part of a VIP ­paedophile ring that was regularly handed boys by child rapist and killer Sidney Cooke for vile sex orgies.''
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-tory-faces-child-sex-1714162


And then there was Dopeys link that further corroborates...

he Free Library > Date > 2000 > July > 23 > The People (London, England)
Perverts are being let out of jail to attack children again.

href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Perverts+are+being+let+out+of+jail+to+attack+child ren+again.-a063627800">Perverts are being let out of jail to attack children again.</a>

HERE is a shameful toll of killings by lifelong paedophiles who have been let out of jail to strike again.

Evil David Evans was let out of prison half way through a 13-year rape sentence - and six months later killed schoolgirl Anna Humphries, 15, in Penley, Clwyd.

Sex beast Terence McCready killed eight-year-old Karin Griffin in Mansfield, Notts, just a month after being freed in 1991 under a loophole in the Mental Health Act to be treated in hospital rather than prison.

In 1993 Colin Hatch, 21, sexually abused and murdered London schoolboy Sean Williams while out on licence. Hatch had been freed just 11 weeks earlier from a three-year sentence for another child sex attack.

He lured Susan Blatchford, 11, and 12-year-old Gary Hanlon to Epping Forest before sexually assaulting and strangling them both.

The 62-year-old fiend was linked to the paedophile killer gang run by Sidney Cooke, which was believed responsible for the murders of nine boys.

Cooke is back behind bars but one of his accomplices,depraved Warwick Spinks, 34, fled the country.

There are deffo further links to be made here. Did Sidney Cooke ever feature abroad too?

Sidney Cooke and Islington - what have we got to uncover here?!

discovery77
11-06-2013, 01:46 AM
Actually, Sidney Cooke has very similar disgusting tastes/themes as Spinks, sadistic, violent, evil, procurers, abusers, rings, VIP connections, drugs, Elm Guest House, care homes. Who else did they have in common?

To just think of Cooke trapsing round prison now with his gay friend - inseparable apparently. Grrr.

Right Im off to bed, before I end up talking to myself all night hahaha!!
Gnight.

hawker
11-06-2013, 02:20 AM
Cant stop thinking about that poor little boy shouting out ''your face!'' on that video. Poor little mite, sounded so so young, and giving the hateful pervert warning not to show his face on camera. God I hate hate hate Spinks. Despicable evil. And remember what he said about causing pain and enjoying it.

God Im incensed tonight. Incensed and upset. this man needs to get back to jail - pronto.

Yes, that tiny little voice saying "your face",
extremely upsetting. Being forced to protect
his abuser. Unbelievable. And where is he now?

Have any of these victims, the victims of "Elm",
ever received justice and compensation?
I don't recall hearing about it.

They are rewarded with life-long psychological
problems, or conveniently commit suicide.

Plenty of named politicians involved received
"justice" in the form of threats of libel issuing
from their legal people, and the victims been
successfully silenced. They're well "protected".

Then again, the politicians in question are wealthy
and "powerful", whereas their victims are just scum
from council estates who have been taken into care.
(As Camoron calls them, "Stupid poor people").
So that's ok then.

hawker
11-06-2013, 02:38 AM
The Jason Swift - Sidney Cooke Link.

"(In) Amsterdam Tricker was part of the English group
of organised paedophiles which included Warwick Spinks.
In this group was Derek Brown, who had spoken about a
snuff movie made about the sexual abuse and murder of
14 year old Jason Swift in 1985, for which a Small number
of the group was convicted. Brown was convicted in the
Netherlands in 1989 for making child porn videos using Dutch
and Moroccan children, and his friends Mark Enfield, who
was also an accomplice in the murder of Jason Swift, but
has never been questioned”.

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/201...y-dickens.html

Gang rape and murder of Jason Swift

£5.00 For The Life Of A Child

In November 1985, a group led by Cooke had each
paid £5 to gang-rape 14-year-old Jason Swift in what
the mainstream media described as a homosexual orgy.
After his body was found in a shallow grave by a dog walker,
an investigation by the Metropolitan Police lead to the arrest
of Cooke, along with three accomplices – Leslie Bailey,
Robert Oliver and Steven Barrell. Cooke was sentenced
at the Old Bailey to 19 years in Wadsworth Prison in May 1989
for the manslaughter of 14-year-old Jason Swift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Cooke

hawker
11-06-2013, 02:54 AM
John Peters and the Bjorn Tape.

Earlier last year, the Guardian revealed the international
police hunt for two unidentified men who had made the
“Bjorn tape”, a chilling video which recorded their relentless
sexual assault on an adolescent Dutch boy who was carried
in front of the camera, limp and hooded, before being strapped
into a chair where he was defenceless against the indulgence
of his two attackers.

Following the story in the Guardian, which was linked to
an ITV documentary, Dutch police traced Bjorn’s
accent to an area in the north of Holland, where
they combed through files of reported child
abuse – and found him.

It turned out that he had contacted the authorities
a year earlier to complain that a Dutch man, whom
he named, had been drugging and raping him since he
was only three years old, most recently with the assistance
of an English man. The Dutch man had been tried and – in the
absence of the video – he had been acquitted. He had then
sued Bjorn for making a malicious complaint against him.

Bjorn had collapsed into mental illness and been given refuge
in an orphanage. Now, the tape not only proved that the boy
had been telling the truth in all its grim detail, but it also
confirmed:

The identity of the English man who had taken
part. He is John Peters,

a former soldier who went AWOL in the early 1970s after
being charged with having sex with a 14-year-old boy in
public toilets near his base in Sutton Coldfield. Since then,
Peters has been convicted in Denmark of a separate offence
of child abuse.

Although Bjorn’s Dutch abuser is now due to be tried again
in Holland, Peters remains at liberty. Just as he evaded
the police in Sutton Coldfield in the 1970s, so now he has
evaded them again in Holland, simply by crossing a border.
He is believed to be in Asia, whose population of
impoverished and vulnerable children has become a magnet
for paedophiles and whose police have no active intelligence
link with the British or Dutch.

The result: the abuser has escaped.

http://www.nickdavies.net/1998/04/01/the-sheer-scale-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-britain/

hawker
11-06-2013, 03:20 AM
Dutch Blog Suggests Link Between Joris Demmink
And Marc Dutroux Has Recently Been Arrested In UK:

Warwick Spinks

Dutch blog Klokkenluideronline.net suggests that
Warwick Spincks would be the connection between
alleged pedophile Joris Demmink and known pedophile
Marc Dutroux. Warwick Spinks was arrested in the United
Kingdom last month.

(Update: the Dutch whistleblower website http://www.klokkenluideronline.net
domain has been taken down by authorities.
Links containing that domain name can now be found
on klokkenluideronline.is. They may also still be available
via archive.org or Google’s Cache).

What are the ties between him and other (alleged)
pedophiles? What do we know about Warwick Spinks?

Part One

1. Comment on 27th November 2011: In July 1998,
Marcel Vervloesem and his Morkhoven Workgroup
(Werkgroep Morkhoven), a private anti-child pornography
group, made international headlines after having obtained
thousands of pictures from an internet-based, sadistic,
child pornography network, ran from an apartment in
Zandvoort (a town near Amsterdam). They also acquired
a list of clients and associates of this network, which turned
out to include the earlier-mentioned Warwick Spinks.
Because the children who appeared in these pictures came
from all over the world, international police agencies were
very interested and managed to identify several dozen
victims. It was mainly the Dutch and Belgian authorities who
failed to do their job, and when one reads that there are links
to the British- Amsterdam paedophile ring, a person who
probably procured children for high level officials, an anonymous
“contact” of the Dutch royal family, and one of the girls named
by X1, things suddenly begin to make sense again.

2. Report on 16th November 2012: Warwick Spinks was
arrested at Heathrow Airport on Thursday after he was
tracked down by officers from the Child Exploitation and
Online Protection Centre (Ceop). The 48-year-old was
convicted in 1995 of a series of sexual offences against
boys, including serious sexual assault at knifepoint, taking
a child without lawful authority and taking indecent images
of children. He was jailed for seven years but this was reduced
to a five-year term on appeal. Spinks went missing in 1997 while
released on licence and fled the UK. He used various aliases while
on the run, including Willem Van Wijk and William Spinks.

3. Comments on 17th October 2009: “Warwick Spinks
broke his parole agreement by fleeing the UK, and this
is why he is wanted by the authorities there. There is no
international warrant for his arrest concerning the kidnapping
of a child. Yes, he is very talented at languages (he speaks
5 fluently) and he does tend to change appearance, going
through cycles of putting on and losing weight.
Marcel Vervloesem himself told me that Spinks was
working at the Pinnochio Bar in Prague (a bar allegedly
frequented by Joris Demmink), but that was 5 years ago.
Since then he seems to have disappeared from the radar.”

4. 10th September 2012: Panorama journalist
Fred de Brouwer and Gay Krant editor Henk Krol
claims to have collected dozens of statements that
Joris Demmink also frequented the Anne Frank parking
facilities for sex. They also found witnesses who claim that
Demmink was a ‘good client’ of a boy’s brothel in the
Czech capital Prague. (…) Panorama journalist Fred de Brouwer
can still get worked up about this turn: ,,I knew nothing about this.
We were in Prague ourselves, where the fixed driver and the owner
of boy’s brothel Pinocchio recognised Demmink from a photot.
‘That is a very good customer of Pinocchio,’ they informed us. I will
still risk it all for these sources. My chief editor informed me that he
was pressured immensely to withdraw this story.”

5. 16th February 2010: Dutch blog Klokkenluideronline.net
alleges that Joris Demmink’s lawyer Harro Knijff (law firm
De Brauw, Blackstone, Westbroek) had his firm create a legal
entity – a private limited liability company’ called ‘Pinokkio’.

6. Comments on 16th October 2009: “According to the
droitfondamental link Warwick Spinks fled out of England
during parole and has now multinational child trade companies
and lives undercover in the Czech republic: Warwick Spinks
left Holland for England and lived in Hastings, when he was
finally charged for abducting and raping two street boys from
London and selling one of them to a Dutch brothel. He was jailed
for five years and as freed on parole, he flew away, presumably
helped by the Dutch mafia, which still won’t refuse him anything.
In 2004, Warwick Spinks is an extremely rich man.

He had build “businesses” and bought properties in
South Africa, Namibia, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia,
Switzerland, France and England.

An international warrant for his arrest was set in the framework
of the kidnapping of a 4 years old child. He lives in Czech Republic,
in one of his numerous properties, earned with child trafficking.
He changes appearances, sometimes skinny, sometimes fat, and
thanks to his language facilities, melts in the picture.”

7. Comments on 13th October 2009: He (Spinks) was 25 when
he earned enough money to buy the Gay Palace of Amsterdam.
As from 1990, he was selling videos, presumably snuff movies,
as they would cost 6,000 euros each. His friends Norbert De Rijck
and De Souza were running:

The Temse network (Belgium-Holland-Portugal),

with organized holidays including filmed child abuse in
Madeira. Warwick was then paying trips to Robert Van
Der Naeten, who would smuggle children from Madeira to
the Dutch brothels, but he was not sentenced, oppositely
as the three others. As Marcel Vervloesem brought the Zandvoort
(case) to the Belgian, French and Dutch justices, Warwick and
his friend Edward were arrested in Hoofddorp, in the framework
on an inquiry concerning filmed rapes, tortures and murders of at
least 5 children. He was then suspected to have a part in the
Manuel Schadwald case, because he was of the band he had
contact with the Stasi, employer of the missing child’s father
step: Wolf who himself now owes a sadomasochist club in Berlin.
He also was close to Lothar Glandorf, another of those
high rank criminals and in whose brothel Manuel was seen.
Furthermore, Spinks will talk of a boy murdered in a Dutch
snuff movie who, according to his friend Franck, was nicked
named “Manny” and fitted the description of Manuel.

8. Comments on 15th October 2009: “ What is interesting
is that the letter, addressed to Interpol, not only discusses
the CD, but also correspondence that allegedly took place
between Osterwalder and Spinks. These allegations, made by
Bernard concerning Osterwald and Spinks, are little known,
which is why I draw attention to them here. Returning to a
possible Demmink/Dutroux connection, it is certainly correct
that no serious efforts were made to find out what Dutroux got
up to, during his regular visits to The Netherlands. As far as I am
aware, three witnesses link Dutroux directly to the
red-light district in Amsterdam."

http://vrritti.com/2012/12/23/dutch-blog-suggests-link-between-joris-demmink-and-marc-dutroux-has-recently-been-arrested-in-uk-warwick-spinks/

hawker
11-06-2013, 03:31 AM
Warwick Spinks

Part Two

9. 13th October 2009. Multiple blog posts on
Klokkenluideronline.net suggests that Joris Demmink
would have been in direct contact with a person called
Lothar Glandorf, a pedophile mentioned in the same article
by The Guardian which also mentions Warwick Spinks as
‘partner in crime’ of the same group of notorious pedophiles
working from The Netherlands: ”The brothel was one of
several in the city which were being run by a German named
Lothar Glandorf, now aged 36. After ignoring complaints for
18 months, Rotterdam police finally targetted him and found
he had been selling hundreds of boys. Of those they could trace,
nearly half were under 16, some by many years. One of them
was only nine. Tapping Glandorf’s phones, they heard one
customer say “I’m looking for a young boy, a very young boy,
a nice little blonde one, who can stay the night”; and another
who specified a pre-pubescent boy, “You know, no hair.” This
was a kind of slavery. They heard Glandorf tell one boy that if
he tried to run away, he would send his family pornographic
pictures of him; another was told simply he would be shot
in the head. The Rotterdam police reported: “Even if
Glandorf knew the perversions of a customer, he would
still send a young boy to a customer who had a sexual
preference for sado-masochism. Glandorf had one customer
who specialised in deflowering young boys.” In one of Glandorf’s
houses, they found an unmailed letter from a Turkish boy called
Attila, written to a young girl named Aysum:

“Don’t feel sad about me,” he wrote.
“Things are the way they are and there is nothing
to be done about it. You can do what you want.
Don’t be sad.”

They found the same boy in a video, with his testicles wired
to a whining electrical generator while a Belgian customer
abused him. In the midst of all this, the Rotterdam police
were looking for Manuel Schadwald. Three different boys
had run away from Glandorf’s world and reported sighting
the missing Berlin boy. Police logs which were leaked to
the Dutch TV programme Network, reveal that three
Rotterdam surveillance officers saw Glandorf with a boy
whom all three of them believed to be Manuel Schadwald
but they failed to rescue him: the leaked logs suggest that
they were reluctant to break cover for fear of jeopardising
their operation, asked for urgent advice from senior
officers, received none and watched passively as Glandorf
drove the boy away in his car. With the Dutch and German
press baying for action, police in the two countries finally
set about trying to find him – some four years after his
disappearance. They failed. Manuel Schadwald has never
been found. The last sightings suggested he was working
in the dark bars on Paardenstraat in Amsterdam. The
same cross-border weakness persists. Investigating Glandorf,
the Rotterdam police found that British paedophiles were
routinely using his brothels. They found their names
and details in Glandorf’s paperwork: one was crossing
the North Sea on a weekly basis. The Rotterdam
detectives produced a detailed report,
De Handel In Kinderen – The Trade In Children – which the
Guardian has obtained. It presents a detailed picture of the
trade and of some of its British links, and yet they never even
sent a copy to Scotland Yard. Glandorf, himself, had little fear
of international policing. When a senior Dutch civil servant
phoned him from Poland to say he was bringing back a boy
for him, the police phone taps recorded Glandorf saying:
“Be careful. When you get to the bridge at the border, let him
out so he can go on foot so they can’t catch you.” That was
all it took.

http://vrritti.com/2012/12/23/dutch-blog-suggests-link-between-joris-demmink-and-marc-dutroux-has-recently-been-arrested-in-uk-warwick-spinks/

http://www.nickdavies.net/2000/10/01/paedophilia-is-easy-2-how-a-paedophile-murder-inquiry-fell-apart/

hawker
11-06-2013, 03:46 AM
Spinks List - One

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p773/Tajas1/Spinks/Spinks_List_001_zpsd22a28f7.jpg

hawker
11-06-2013, 03:48 AM
Spinks List - Two

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p773/Tajas1/Spinks/Spinks_List_002_zps3083121a.jpg

hawker
11-06-2013, 03:50 AM
Spinks List - Three

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p773/Tajas1/Spinks/Spinks_List_003_zps29ef1467.jpg

troyhand
11-06-2013, 05:48 AM
http://www.network54.com/Forum/506171/thread/1357421292/last-1364845714/Jimmy+Savile+1980-1988

This forum put up some interesting savile articles from the eighties

Especially this one

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/S-F1000/FMF/SavileJ1981-1DMir01-24c_zps2074d8e3.jpg

"Most of the money has been raised in orders for the exclusive Lord Snowden black and white poster of Cliff Richard"

"This picture is unique. It's a must for any Cliff Richard fan," says Jimmy.:rolleyes:

troyhand
11-06-2013, 06:26 AM
Has this been posted/?

http://austriantimes.at/news/Around_the_World/2013-04-18/48087/BRIT_PAEDO_NAMED%3A_Brit_Paedo_Named_and_Shamed_By _Polish_Prosecutors

Austrian Times
18. 04. 13. - 16:00

BRIT PAEDO NAMED: Brit Paedo Named and Shamed By Polish Prosecutors

A British man accused of abusing underage boys 22 years ago has been named and shamed by Polish prosecutors seeking his extradition from the UK.

Stuart Joseph Morgan, 65 - who Polish prosecutors say lives in Catford, south London - escaped a European Arrest Warrant in 2002 when British officials told their Warsaw counterparts he was suffering from depression.:eek:

Now Polish authorities have named and shamed Morgan in an apparent bid to increase pressure on their British counterparts.

Morgan is accused of taking part in a sick orgy with two Polish men and a group of boys aged between 12 and 15 in Rzeszow in 1991.

Both Poles were convicted and jailed for paedophile offences.

At the time, there was no extradition warrant between the two countries and Poland had to wait until the launch of the EAW to try again to bring him to justice.

Now Polish prosecutors say they have new evidence against Morgan.

One of the Polish men originally arrested with Morgan sent a letter to a friend boasting about a summer camp the pair had taken part in with four boys who were subjected to oral and anal sex.

The friend replied: "I am delighted that you had a lot of fun in Poland."

Polish prosecutor Jaromir Rybczak explained: "For the past three years I have been looking at this case in detail and wondered what could be done.

"That’s why I decided to make his name public so people would know he is wanted."

He added: "When we last asked the British for his extradition they told us he needed medical care.

"We told them he would get it but they didn’t believe us."

troyhand
11-06-2013, 06:53 AM
good article

http://thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/the-tip-of-the-iceberg/

The tip of the iceberg
Power, paedophile rings and an establishment cover-up
Posted on June 10, 2013 by Matthew Steeples

troyhand
11-06-2013, 07:25 AM
i'm sure this is a repost.

http://technologyisterrifying.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/a-life-in-hiding-the-inside-story-of-britains-most-wanted-peadophile-and-his-secret-life-in-prague/

Kirsty Rigg
Posted on December 8, 2012

A life in hiding – the inside story of Britain’s most wanted peadophile and his secret life in Prague

FRIENDS of Britain’s most wanted peadophile have joined together in shock after learning the shocking truth about the man they knew and loved.

http://technologyisterrifying.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/spinks_friends2.png

For almost two decades, child sex abuser Warwick Spinks, 48, was living a secret life in the Czech Republic, where he told everyone he was a Dutch businessman. He built trusting relationships with the locals in the heart of Prague, where he ran his own apartment rental company, and enjoyed lavish parties where she showered his trusting friends with champagne.

To them he was a quirky and fun-loving man who went by the name Willem van Wijk, and although he carried a thick cockney accent, he managed to fool everyone into thinking it was due to a UK-based education.

Spinks raised some eyebrows for his tendency to spend time with young men. This earned him the nickname of the“dirty old man” among the locals. However, nobody foresaw the reality of what he was truly hiding.

Runaway Spinks, who was living in Vinohrady, Prague, was tracked down and arrested last week. He was flown back to his British homeland where he was forced to face charges of sexual assault at knife point, taking a child without lawful authority and taking indecent images of children. He had been on the run for 16 years.

“It turns out everything we knew about him was a lie,” said a fellow British expat known as Luke, 29. “His life was a lie. He was trusted and respected around here. Yes, he was a party animal, the life and soul of the party really, but no-one could have foreseen this.”

Luke, who has known Spinks for 4 years, added: “I’m absolutely sick to the stomach. We all are. He was here for 16 years and managed to live a fake life, make friends with people who trusted him. I’m appalled that I was ever in the same room.”

Confusion had spread when “Willem” suddenly went missing after Prague Gay Pride festival in August. His friends called, emailed and tried to reach him through Facebook. But they couldn’t get hold of him.

Eventually the news started trickling in. For Luke, the big blow came as he was enjoying an after-work drink with colleagues and he received on his smart phone a link to a BBC story detailing the arrest. He sat in silence for a few minutes before his eyes filled with tears and he excused himself to go to the bathroom to “throw up,” as he put it.

“I considered this man as one of my closest friends.” he said. “We had dinners together, partied together. It makes me want to throw up that I was ever in the same room as him. I trusted him and the betrayal I feel is indescribable. … I feel like I need to spend a long time in the shower to wash off this feeling.”

Another friend who goes by the name of Brukker said some doubted Spinks’ Dutch nationality.

“He claimed to be Dutch, and appeared to speak it very well. Everyone accepted it,” Brukker said. “But his English seemed too good, he spoke affluently, and his English friends said he had a very typical English accent. He always told us how he was schooled in the UK. It all makes more sense now”.

The feeling of betrayal was further intensified by knowing that Spinks, during his 16 years in Prague, was an outspoken advocate of a variety of gay causes, which earned him respect and made him a man to go to in times of trouble.

In 2001, Spinks went as far as to write an indignant letter to The Prague Post, a local English-language weekly, calling himself “shocked and disgusted” by police raids carried out against local gay bars at the time.

“If this is the way the Czech Republic violates basic human rights, it should never even be considered for inclusion into the EU or given membership among civilized countries that observe fundamental human rights,” he wrote.

Spinks was first arrested in 1995 at Lewes Crown Court for numerous sexual offences against boys. He was sentenced to seven years, reduced to five years on appeal.

He first went on the run in 1997, when he was released on licence. At about the same time he appeared in Prague under a new identity.

He set up a travel company called Toucan Travel, which rented apartments to gay tourists and expats. He took frequent, exotic holidays in Thailand, Ibiza and Amsterdam, and then to bragged to friends about his sexual encounters with young men.

It was said that Spinks was the man to go to for viagra, which it is alleged he sold for 5 euros.

Despite living the life of a fugitive, Spinks had a public Facebook profile, under his false name, but showed photos of him and his friends, gave personal information and displayed his sexual preferences.

He was clearly a man of means yet he dressed casually in jeans and shirts. The only time he flaunted his wealth was during the lavish birthday parties on a boat, where expensive champagne flowed and hundreds of people attended.

He is now back behind bars where he will serve the remaining 18 months of his sentence.

bellahunter
11-06-2013, 10:35 AM
Andrew Lancel, corrie actor, cleared in court.

Just heard in wright stuff

Internet rubbish at mo, to correct errors.

Feel like going into a rant about lack of decent 3G around the country!

dopey
11-06-2013, 10:41 AM
Hi Troy

Re Spinks, yep already posted. There are two particular gaps we have re Spinks which, if you're doing some "Spinksing" you might want to keep an eye out for and see what you can find.

1) Grant Russell - murdered 2003 in Spinks' Toucan apartments. There seems to be only two articles about that murder online (a Prague Post one and one in a gay publication). Both are posted on here, but any more about that would be marvellous.

2) Again, re Grant Russell. The two articles mentioned refer to five gay murders in Prague in that period (give or take a year either side of 2003). So far only reference to two of them have been found. One for GR and another for a man murdered in his own apartment (can't remember HIS name offhand but that's on here too and mentioned in those articles or one of them I think). Anything on the other three murders (gay and poss rent boy related) in Prague again is eagerly sought.

northernlass
11-06-2013, 11:54 AM
Andrew Lancel, corrie actor, cleared in court.

Just heard in wright stuff

Internet rubbish at mo, to correct errors.

Feel like going into a rant about lack of decent 3G around the country!

"kev" was cleared the first time..will it happen a second time:confused:
sorry havent been about...illness getting me down and now struck by council tax and bedroom tax so left without money till next weds. this country is shite. got enough to cope with without money worries as well so everything being getting on top of me:
onwards and upwards though:o

reading a book (fiction) about the queens doctor covering blood disease in royal family...lots of it is factual though so quite interesting.

dopey
11-06-2013, 12:19 PM
Re the two celebrity chef arrests imminent headlines a couple of months ago - I'll throw Tim Allen into the cooking pot as a possible contender.

I've searched the thread and can't find anything for him though he must have been mentioned somewhere on here I'm sure.

Anyway..

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PERVERT+OF+BALLYMALOE%3B+Chef+Tim+had+1,000+child+ porn+photos+Some...-a096547375

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/chefs-child-porn-shame-revisited-26286493.html


Peter Morphew- funfair founder (same Op Amethyst)
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/KID+PORN+SHAME+OF+FUNPARK+PAEDO%3b+Boss+had+child+ sex+pics.-a0105704839

welshwitch
11-06-2013, 12:20 PM
Get well soon Northernlass :)


Interim Guidelines on Prosecuting Cases of Child Sexual Abuse - Summary

Issued by the Director of Public Prosecutions on 11 June 2013

The latest amendments to 'get out of jail free' card for VIP's and slebs?

http://www.cps.gov.uk/consultations/csa_consultation_summary.html

welshwitch
11-06-2013, 12:23 PM
Re the two celebrity chef arrests imminent headlines a couple of months ago - I'll throw Tim Allen into the cooking pot as a possible contender.

I've searched the thread and can't find anything for him though he must have been mentioned somewhere on here I'm sure.

Anyway..

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PERVERT+OF+BALLYMALOE%3B+Chef+Tim+had+1,000+child+ porn+photos+Some...-a096547375

He was back in job in Apl 2012

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/IT%27S+ALLEN+A+DAY%27S+WORK%3B+INVESTIGATES+BALLYM ALOE+SCANDAL+Child+porn...-a0287983401

pic here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2665901.stm

Originally arrested under Op Amethyst
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Amethyst

discovery77
11-06-2013, 12:32 PM
John Peters and the Bjorn Tape.

Earlier last year, the Guardian revealed the international
police hunt for two unidentified men who had made the
“Bjorn tape”, a chilling video which recorded their relentless
sexual assault on an adolescent Dutch boy who was carried
in front of the camera, limp and hooded, before being strapped
into a chair where he was defenceless against the indulgence
of his two attackers.

Following the story in the Guardian, which was linked to
an ITV documentary, Dutch police traced Bjorn’s
accent to an area in the north of Holland, where
they combed through files of reported child
abuse – and found him.

It turned out that he had contacted the authorities
a year earlier to complain that a Dutch man, whom
he named, had been drugging and raping him since he
was only three years old, most recently with the assistance
of an English man. The Dutch man had been tried and – in the
absence of the video – he had been acquitted. He had then
sued Bjorn for making a malicious complaint against him.

Bjorn had collapsed into mental illness and been given refuge
in an orphanage. Now, the tape not only proved that the boy
had been telling the truth in all its grim detail, but it also
confirmed:

The identity of the English man who had taken
part. He is John Peters,

a former soldier who went AWOL in the early 1970s after
being charged with having sex with a 14-year-old boy in
public toilets near his base in Sutton Coldfield. Since then,
Peters has been convicted in Denmark of a separate offence
of child abuse.

Although Bjorn’s Dutch abuser is now due to be tried again
in Holland, Peters remains at liberty. Just as he evaded
the police in Sutton Coldfield in the 1970s, so now he has
evaded them again in Holland, simply by crossing a border.
He is believed to be in Asia, whose population of
impoverished and vulnerable children has become a magnet
for paedophiles and whose police have no active intelligence
link with the British or Dutch.

The result: the abuser has escaped.

http://www.nickdavies.net/1998/04/01/the-sheer-scale-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-britain/

Thanks for some great posts/excerpts. V. interesting.

Sorry Im probs being very thick here, who was the Dutch man? Could that even have been Spinks, who passed himself of as Dutch often? Was Peters deffo the man that was pictured on camera?

article goes on to say

''That same story in the Guardian also disclosed the activities of Warwick Spinks, a British paedophile who was then serving a sentence of five years after Scotland Yard arrested him for abducting and raping two homeless boys from the streets of London. He had sold one of them into a brothel in Amsterdam.''

so probs not him - unless the video they are discussing was made before he was put away ie before 1995? Anyone know/remember date made?

Also re. Lothar Glandorf, the German, he owned the barn where Williams/ Spinks talked of/ did snuff didnt he I presume, which brothel did he own on Spuistraat, as described by informant Frank/detectives? Is that mentioned anywhere?

''Frank - gay - said he had seen murder on a video, shot in a barn in Dam, told same officers in Scotland Yard. Detectives discovered Williams and friends had been discussing doing this in the barn of a German from one of the Spuistraat clubs.''

dopey
11-06-2013, 01:03 PM
"The Porn Squad" by Gyles Brandreth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221596/Fired-porn-squad-Ronald-Reagans-note-tell-Queen-Mr-Gossip-Gyles-Brandreth-reveals-all.html

Sounds like they really suffered whilst doing that research :rolleyes:

dopey
11-06-2013, 01:07 PM
Thanks for some great posts/excerpts. V. interesting.

Sorry Im probs being very thick here, who was the Dutch man? Could that even have been Spinks, who passed himself of as Dutch often? Was Peters deffo the man that was pictured on camera?

Also re. Lothar Glandorf, the German, he owned the barn where Williams/ Spinks talked of/ did snuff didnt he I presume, which brothel did he own on Spuistraat, as described by informant Frank/detectives? Is that mentioned anywhere?

''Frank - gay - said he had seen murder on a video, shot in a barn in Dam, told same officers in Scotland Yard. Detectives discovered Williams and friends had been discussing doing this in the barn of a German from one of the Spuistraat clubs.''

After doing a job on Spinks (who was released later that year) I wonder what happened to Edward.

david numen
11-06-2013, 01:12 PM
"kev" wasn't cleared though - he said he was but all that happened was the CPS decided they didn't have enough evidence to prosecute. That situation has changed.

And Kev's charges are much more serious sounding than Lancel's. Whilst I am not playing down the offences he was much younger and when you consider a 24 year old frolicking with a 15 year old it's still wrong but less icky than a 40 year old.

"kev's" offences relate to one girl and took place from age 6 to 16. A hell of a thing to make up but innocent til proven guilty and all that.

hawker
11-06-2013, 01:19 PM
Thanks for some great posts/excerpts. V. interesting.

Sorry Im probs being very thick here, who was the Dutch man? Could that even have been Spinks, who passed himself of as Dutch often? Was Peters deffo the man that was pictured on camera?

Also re. Lothar Glandorf, the German, he owned the barn where Williams/ Spinks talked of/ did snuff didnt he I presume, which brothel did he own on Spuistraat, as described by informant Frank/detectives? Is that mentioned anywhere?

''Frank - gay - said he had seen murder on a video, shot in a barn in Dam, told same officers in Scotland Yard. Detectives discovered Williams and friends had been discussing doing this in the barn of a German from one of the Spuistraat clubs.''

Hi,

Sorry about leaving you sat on your own wondering where
the hell everyone had gone last night! I had wandered off
to study that video a second time.

You're not being remotely thick. They are all valid questions which
demand answers.

The narrator of the program said the Police had asked them to show
the picture of the abuser. She described him as an "English man,
John".

Dutch man? Can you give me a time-line number off the video so
I can take a peek?

The point you raised last night about when Williams and Spinks
first came to be acquainted is also important. It seems that
everything on the web in relation to this all comes from the
same Nick Davies article(s) and never goes "pre-Amsterdam".
That journalist knows a hell of a lot on that entire scene
and the people involved. He's a gold mine of information.
I just wonder how much he "hasn't" been allowed to
publish?

I've now got a whole new list of names to research!
It's all relevant, has the same roots as the Elm "tree",
and brings the story right up to date. The new generation,
the inheritors of the Elm legacy, are now coming to light.

hawker
11-06-2013, 01:33 PM
Lothar Glandorf - One

Getting away with murder

In the Netherlands, a number of boy brothels
were being run by a German named Lothar Glandorf.

"After ignoring complaints for 18 months, Rotterdam police
finally targeted him and found he had been selling hundreds
of boys.

"Of those they could trace, nearly half were under 16,
some by many years. One of them was only nine.

"Tapping Glandorf’s phones, they heard one customer say
“I’m looking for a young boy, a very young boy, a nice little
blonde one, who can stay the night”; and another who specified
a pre-pubescent boy, “You know, no hair.”

"They heard Glandorf tell one boy that if he tried to run away,
he would send his family pornographic pictures of him; another
was told simply he would be shot in the head."

http://aangirfan.blogspot.nl/2013/01/politicians-like-boy-brothels.html

hawker
11-06-2013, 01:39 PM
Lothar Glandorf - Two

In the late 1990s, trafficking of boys from Berlin to
the Netherlands hit the north European press when
police belatedly tried to find out what had happened
to a 12-year-old Berliner, Manuel Schadwald, who went
missing in July 1993. The Berlin police had simply listed
him as a runaway. By 1997, however, Dutch journalists
had dug out a history of sightings which suggested he
had been put to work in a brothel in Rotterdam, run by
a German, Lothar Glandorf, now 36. After ignoring complaints
for 18 months, Rotterdam police targeted him and found he had
been selling hundreds of boys. Of those they could trace, nearly
half were under 16.

The Guardian has obtained an extraordinary report which
was produced by Rotterdam police. It captures some of
the ruthlessness of life in the city's boy brothels: "Even
if Glandorf knew the perversions of a customer, he would
still send a boy to a customer who had a preference for
sado-masochism."

In the midst of all this, Rotterdam police were looking for
Manuel Schadwald. Their report reveals three boys had
run away from Glandorf's world and reported sighting the
missing Berliner. Police logs leaked to a Dutch TV programme,
Netwerk, reveal that one night, three Rotterdam surveillance
officers saw Glandorf with a boy all three believed to be
Manuel Schadwald but they failed to rescue him: they were
reluctant to break cover for fear of jeopardising their operation.
With the Dutch and German press baying for action, police in
the two countries set about trying to find him - four years after
his disappearance. They failed.

The same cross-border weakness persists. Investigating
Glandorf, the Rotterdam police found that British
paedophiles were routinely using his brothels, but they
never sent a copy of their report to Scotland Yard. Glandorf
had little fear of international policing. When a senior Dutch
civil servant phoned him from Poland to say he was bringing
back a boy, police phone taps recorded Glandorf saying:
"When you get to the bridge at the border, let him out so he
can go on foot so they can't catch you." That was all it took.

Within their borders, the Dutch did finally jail Glandorf for
five and a half years, and yet the Amsterdam paedophiles
remain relaxed. Some have resettled in Prague, where the
law is lax.

The trains still pull into the Bahnhof Am Zoo with their
consignments of vulnerable children. The international
boy business is alive and well, and, quite possibly, getting
away with murder.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/nov/27/childprotection.uk

discovery77
11-06-2013, 01:41 PM
Hi,

Sorry about leaving you sat on your own wondering where
the hell everyone had gone last night! I had wandered off
to study that video a second time.

You're not being remotely thick. They are all valid questions which
demand answers.

The narrator of the program said the Police had asked them to show
the picture of the abuser. She described him as an "English man,
John".

Dutch man? Can you give me a time-line number off the video so
I can take a peek?

The point you raised last night about when Williams and Spinks
first came to be acquainted is also important. It seems that
everything on the web in relation to this all comes from the
same Nick Davies article(s) and never goes "pre-Amsterdam".
That journalist knows a hell of a lot on that entire scene
and the people involved. He's a gold mine of information.
I just wonder how much he "hasn't" been allowed to
publish?

I've now got a whole new list of names to research!
It's all relevant, has the same roots as the Elm "tree",
and brings the story right up to date. The new generation,
the inheritors of the Elm legacy, are now coming to light.

Hey no need to worry about last night, I was just musing!

Thanks for being kind! :o:D

It wasnt in the doc, I probs need to watch that again.

It was this bit from the article

''It turned out that he had contacted the authorities
a year earlier to complain that a Dutch man, whom
he named, had been drugging and raping him since he
was only three years old, most recently with the assistance
of an English man. The Dutch man had been tried and – in the
absence of the video – he had been acquitted. He had then
sued Bjorn for making a malicious complaint against him.''

I think Ive maybe read it as the Dutch man still being involved in this vid -
but it does also say ''where he was defenceless against the indulgences of his 2 attackers'' in the vid, in the article? So who was the other one? Suggests the Dutch man maybe?? (incidentally pls see my edit also regarding dates Spinks away etc)

On other point, I agree - Williams seems to have struck up immeditely, if not before, a strong 'acquaintance' with Spinks - I reckon they knew eachother before. The Guardian has lists in a post you mentioned before also. Why on earth wont they go there now? :confused: :mad:
''The Rotterdam detectives produced a detailed report,
De Handel In Kinderen – The Trade In Children – which the
Guardian has obtained. It presents a detailed picture of the
trade and of some of its British links, and yet they never even
sent a copy to Scotland Yard.''

Lastly
''The new generation, the inheritors of the Elm legacy, are now coming to light.''

couldnt agree more!

discovery77
11-06-2013, 01:46 PM
@Hawker - so interesting he runs a 'number' of brothels!! Big player here.

Do we know who ran

the blue Boy
De Boys
Boys For Men
Why Not

all on Spuistraat? Maybe him? Im being bit lazy, I should go off and check, but so far havent remembered seeing who does in the articles!

hawker
11-06-2013, 01:54 PM
Netwerk - 21 April 1998

Part One

(It's not dubbed into English, but it's easy enough to follow).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7-elA03Wfw&feature=player_embedded#!

Part Two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uBpO8u6iUCY

(Anyone got any audio translation software?!!!)

discovery77
11-06-2013, 02:18 PM
Aww those vids look highly relevant!!

Need to understand them! Can anyone translate?

hawker
11-06-2013, 02:23 PM
1). Boys Club 21: Williams arrived in Amsterdam in 1988,
aged 21, and soon set himself up as the manager of a gay
brothel called Boys Club 21 at 21 Spuistraat, near the central
station.

2). Gay Palace (Gay Place): Across the road at
number 44, another British paedophile, a chubby Londoner
named Warwick Spinks, then aged 25, was running a similar
club called the Gay Palace.

3). Pinnochio Bar: "Marcel Vervloesem himself told me that
Spinks was working at the Pinnochio Bar in Prague, but that
was 5 years ago. Since then he seems to have disappeared
from the radar".

- John Stevens, October 17, 2009.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?ref=SERP&br=ro&mkt=en-GB&dl=en&lp=NL_EN&a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.klokkenluideronline.is%2fartike l%2f2794%2fbreaking-link-demmink-dutroux

4). Lothar Glandorf: The latter ran an elaborate pedophile
brothel in Rotterdam.

https://www.demminkdoofpot.nl/pagina/institute-for-the-study-globalization-and-covert-politics-isgp.html

5). The Festival Bar: "As escort, I worked for the same
brothel owner and worked out of a bar called the Festival Bar,
where I met Professor van Roon. Professor van Roon was
the man who introduced me to Joris Demmink".

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?ref=SERP&br=ro&mkt=en-GB&dl=en&lp=NL_EN&a=http%3a%2f%2frechtiskrom.wordpress.com%2f2012%2f 10%2f18%2fjoris-1-en-joris-2%2f

discovery77
11-06-2013, 02:26 PM
1). Boys Club 21: Williams arrived in Amsterdam in 1988,
aged 21, and soon set himself up as the manager of a gay
brothel called Boys Club 21 at 21 Spuistraat, near the central
station.

2). Gay Palace (Gay Place): Across the road at
number 44, another British paedophile, a chubby Londoner
named Warwick Spinks, then aged 25, was running a similar
club called the Gay Palace.

That one called "Pinocchio's" keeps cropping up too.

yeah, got them, its the others I cant bloody tie down-with a prefix like 'der' Boys youd think that was german owned wouldnt you?(or is that Dutch prefix too?)

Heres a snippet on that doc - clicked translate, not much but still.

http://www.boublog.nl/25/04/2013/andre-vergeer-het-rioolputje-van-zeden-2/


also v brief synopsis on link attached

http://www.boublog.nl/16/09/2009/de-pedofiele-joris-in-netwerk-20-april-1998/

hawker
11-06-2013, 02:33 PM
yeah, got them, its the others I cant bloody tie down-with a prefix like 'der' Boys youd think that was german owned wouldnt you?(or is that Dutch prefix too?)

Heres a snippet on that doc - clicked translate, not much but still.

http://www.boublog.nl/25/04/2013/andre-vergeer-het-rioolputje-van-zeden-2/

Probably can't name them in conjunction with the owners
and staff for legal reasons.

There must be a Dutch version of "company records searches".
Which will be...in Dutch!
Will persevere.

A transcript of that Network program would be awesome.

If it's online anywhere in Dutch we can run it through Google
Translator.

discovery77
11-06-2013, 02:39 PM
Probably can't name them in conjunction with the owners
and staff for legal reasons.

There must be a Dutch version of "company records searches".
Which will be...in Dutch!
Will persevere.

A transcript of that Network program would be awesome.

If it's online anywhere in Dutch we can run it through Google
Translator.

yeah, been looking for transcripts. No luck as yet. Dutch Tranny anywhere? :D

Davies article says when Gandalf (ok Glandorf :D) went prison new owners took over his brothels immediately, seems bit of a pointed remark?

casey_lu
11-06-2013, 02:45 PM
Thanks for some great posts/excerpts. V. interesting.

Sorry Im probs being very thick here, who was the Dutch man? Could that even have been Spinks, who passed himself of as Dutch often? Was Peters deffo the man that was pictured on camera?

article goes on to say

''That same story in the Guardian also disclosed the activities of Warwick Spinks, a British paedophile who was then serving a sentence of five years after Scotland Yard arrested him for abducting and raping two homeless boys from the streets of London. He had sold one of them into a brothel in Amsterdam.''

so probs not him - unless the video they are discussing was made before he was put away ie before 1995? Anyone know/remember date made?



According to this article by Nick Davies the Bjorn Tape was made in Holland in March 1990. if this is tape you mean then Spinks could have been in it/helped in making it?
http://www.nickdavies.net/1997/03/01/a-paedophile-ring-in-amsterdam/

discovery77
11-06-2013, 02:53 PM
According to this article by Nick Davies the Bjorn Tape was made in Holland in March 1990. if this is tape you mean then Spinks could have been in it/helped in making it?
http://www.nickdavies.net/1997/03/01/a-paedophile-ring-in-amsterdam/

thanks casey lu! Yeah its possible then at least -'Frank' also talks of how between 1990 -1993 (when he spoke out) he (from notes again)

said he had seen murder on a video, shot in a barn in Dam, told same officers in Scotland Yard. Detectives discovered Williams and friends had been discussing doing this in the barn of a German from one of the Spuistraat clubs.

He had gone to Dam in July 1990 & became caught up in the paedo underworld. Spoke out in 1993.

He had been invited to the Canaries by Spinks., who asked him to help him sell videos. He watched one and saw a murder of a boy no older than 12. He was beaten and attacked with needles, castrated & cut open.

In 1995 Spinks was put away. These earlier years were very active in snuff etc allegedly.

hawker
11-06-2013, 03:07 PM
Lothar Glandorf - Three

Born in the Sixties, Lothar Glandorf begun his
career in the branch import/export of children,
from the Eastern countries to Dutch brothels.

Native from Thüringen in Germany, he had a perfect
landing place between the Polish border and Holland.
He soon collected enough funds to purchase his first
brothel, and settled in Rotterdam. Lothar developed
a concept of child prostitution with triple convolution:
he supplied customers of sadists and he resold the
children according to their endurance, either with his
fellow-members, or to the producers of pornographic
imageries. It required an important bearing, which made
the fortune of the children’s frontier runners and filled
the “softer” brothels at the less risk for their directors.

http://morkhoven.org/wordpress/?p=888

dopey
11-06-2013, 03:12 PM
thanks casey lu! Yeah its possible then at least -'Frank' also talks of how between 1990 -1993 (when he spoke out) he (from notes again)

said he had seen murder on a video, shot in a barn in Dam, told same officers in Scotland Yard. Detectives discovered Williams and friends had been discussing doing this in the barn of a German from one of the Spuistraat clubs.

He had gone to Dam in July 1990 & became caught up in the paedo underworld. Spoke out in 1993.

He had been invited to the Canaries by Spinks., who asked him to help him sell videos. He watched one and saw a murder of a boy no older than 12. He was beaten and attacked with needles, castrated & cut open.

In 1995 Spinks was put away. These earlier years were very active in snuff etc allegedly.


He was convicted in 1995 (late Feb/1st March- reports differ as to which) but was most probably remanded into custody from when he was first arrested (and if he wasnt that stinks. Reasons for refusing someone bail- danger to themselves or public, likely to abscond/interfere with witnesses).

So he would have been locked up from July 1994, if not a little earlier than that. (time from charges to trial back then was 7/8/9 months or more)

Did he leave Amsterdam for the UK again because the heat was on, or some other reason? Would be good to know, and also who filled his boots over there when he left?

With an investigation commencing whilst he was still inside in 1997 it's no surprise he did a runner once he was released. Six months or more they had to find something on him to keep him inside...and nothing.

Re Canaries- defo looking like Tenerife. Reports said he owned apartments there.

hawker
11-06-2013, 03:26 PM
A closer look at child abuse networks in
the Netherlands and Belgium:

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:A_closer_look_at_child_abuse_networks_in_ the_Netherlands_and_Belgium

kazg
11-06-2013, 03:30 PM
http://vrritti.com/2012/12/23/dutch-blog-suggests-link-between-joris-demmink-and-marc-dutroux-has-recently-been-arrested-in-uk-warwick-spinks/

http://www.boublog.nl/24/04/2013/andre-vergeer-het-rioolputje-van-zeden-1/



Anyone translate ?

Andre Vergeer: The sewer well of Morals (1)
April 24, 2013 | Author: mr Dr Bou
Or where the studies were all dead



In early March this year I came into collision with the vice squad Amsterdam, after I had asked for a woman who since 1995 (and 2009!) Tried to do of satanic child abuse and prostitution since her early childhood declaration internet attention: The girl Nulde 2 . Instead of an invitation to come and talk about those efforts in Amsterdam to declare my source, I received on 9 March (and two days before the appointment) a 'fact sheet' child pornography and sent a sniggering threat that I might have acted by criminal to show on the Internet explicit photos, but the appointment was canceled. Registered, but not signed, so I could speak. Nobody in Vice Amsterdam thereon My response was not even attached to the Team Vice Amsterdam let alone that it was ever answered.

Needless to mention that I also have had six weeks of the Team Vice A'dam not leave now, and I conclude that all the stories so there certainly must be based. About cover-up studies in the area of child prostitution and child pornography on the truth "Amsterdam" had no understanding of the 'clean up' of those horrible pictures by me and especially no attention to the abuses. And that, contrary to the good intentions of the government there last year (2012) please note a real task force called for in life:

"In response to the report of the Commission Deetman, sexual abuse of minors in the Roman Catholic Church, set Minister of Security and Justice and State Veldhuijzen van Zanten of Health, Welfare and Sport a Taskforce child abuse and sexual abuse."

I asked myself then off immediately (and others apparently holed me) how serious I actually had to take. Around Taskforce Is it still only about abuse in the Roman Catholic Church or is there much more to it? To do something more to understand, I recommend the website of The Hague Conspiracy to where under 3. and 4. a beginning of a timeline visible on child abuse in the Netherlands. It is certainly not just a modern and coverups exist not only in England ...

The accompanying documentary by Granada TV in 1997 (wait until the counter is at 10:00:00) is clearly mapped out how Amsterdam was the center in those years of child prostitution, child pornography, snuff movies and torture (and murder ) very young children. I have at least 55 minutes breathless and looked in disbelief:

"This was done by people, who know people, who wanted to harm children. This was done as a money making adventure. And this was done by very usefull highly Organised criminals " [...] Voice over: "The allogations of this program beyond May seme beleve. That British people were living in Amsterdam, have been making money from sexcrimes for wich children have payed with there lives .. "

"I can remember each face seperatly" [...] "I can remember them in detail." [...] "They where all aged between nine and ten, eleven, at the very oldest." [...] "They were all very thin and very young boys ... ". [...] "And it's easier to believe that I lie than to believe thatthese tapes do excist".

Bjorn: "And it shows a young boy of the age of seven or eight years, carried into a room. He is hooded. He was taken to a chair ..., he is tieded To that chair ..., and over a period of time, he is sexuale abused in the most horrific way ".

The "Peadophilia unit" of the New Scotland Yard in 1997 was apparently still willing to comment on (and research into) the images of Granada TV from Amsterdam again to get there now ..

A generous donor gave the documentary "The Boy Business" with me and hung him on an unguarded moment to my front door. Still thank you very much, generous giver, whoever you are! The central figures in this documentary included the infamous Warwick Spinks , who later sentenced to five years in prison for his disgusting practices (and after two years returned to work, even richer than before because his income from child pornography and prostitution simply continued in prison). But so were with him also "shopping lists" found its customers which of course were mostly living in the Netherlands. And one Peter Howles, a convict, dubious (children) photographer in Amsterdam.

Wondering what has come out. Research by our justice to that "shopping lists" of its customers That list was not just a kind of insurance for him against his possible arrest (blackmail) or could John Doe when even ensure his safe retreat? Remember that behind every name hides a drama and a willing customer. And this is only a part of that whole list:



In this, English, documentary, several victims of these atrocities in Amsterdam image as a child - and especially displaced - already in the early 90s and before that were picked up at the Central Station and under kind words, money and lured shelter to so-called 'Hostels' where they were photographed, filmed first and abused under the threat that the footage would be sent if no further contributed to the very far-reaching prostitution and child pornography. their family They have firsthand that young children of their own age were slaughtered in front of the camera. Who herein does not recognize the practice of a leading pedophile network?

The Boy Business - 8 April 1997 - Part 1, 2 & 3 lasts 53 minutes.

oonalu
11-06-2013, 03:59 PM
International businessmen, lawyers and politicians were among Spinks's clients when he ran the notorious Why Not boy brothel in Amsterdam before his arrest.

Cops in Amsterdam secretly taped Spinks offering to supply a video in which a 10-year-old boy was killed. He also said an associate had seen a boy die in the making of a film.

Spinks told our investigators at a meeting in Prague's Wenceslas Square: "Scotland Yard would love to get their hands on me because they wasted pounds 2million investigating me." Two minders watched from a nearby car as Spinks added: "I am well protected here."

When one minder rumbled our photographer, Spinks started ranting and had to be calmed by passing policemen.




http://www.thefreelibrary.com/WE+SMASH+SICKO'S+SEX+HOLS%3b+Exposed%3a+Fugitive+p aedophile+who+runs...-a060954400

oonalu
11-06-2013, 04:09 PM
Andre Vergeer: The sewer well of Morals (1)
April 24, 2013 | Author: mr Dr Bou
Or where the studies were all dead



In early March this year I came into collision with the vice squad Amsterdam, after I had asked for a woman who since 1995 (and 2009!) Tried to do of satanic child abuse and prostitution since her early childhood declaration internet attention: The girl Nulde 2 . Instead of an invitation to come and talk about those efforts in Amsterdam to declare my source, I received on 9 March (and two days before the appointment) a 'fact sheet' child pornography and sent a sniggering threat that I might have acted by criminal to show on the Internet explicit photos, but the appointment was canceled. Registered, but not signed, so I could speak. Nobody in Vice Amsterdam thereon My response was not even attached to the Team Vice Amsterdam let alone that it was ever answered.

Needless to mention that I also have had six weeks of the Team Vice A'dam not leave now, and I conclude that all the stories so there certainly must be based. About cover-up studies in the area of child prostitution and child pornography on the truth "Amsterdam" had no understanding of the 'clean up' of those horrible pictures by me and especially no attention to the abuses. And that, contrary to the good intentions of the government there last year (2012) please note a real task force called for in life:

"In response to the report of the Commission Deetman, sexual abuse of minors in the Roman Catholic Church, set Minister of Security and Justice and State Veldhuijzen van Zanten of Health, Welfare and Sport a Taskforce child abuse and sexual abuse."

I asked myself then off immediately (and others apparently holed me) how serious I actually had to take. Around Taskforce Is it still only about abuse in the Roman Catholic Church or is there much more to it? To do something more to understand, I recommend the website of The Hague Conspiracy to where under 3. and 4. a beginning of a timeline visible on child abuse in the Netherlands. It is certainly not just a modern and coverups exist not only in England ...

The accompanying documentary by Granada TV in 1997 (wait until the counter is at 10:00:00) is clearly mapped out how Amsterdam was the center in those years of child prostitution, child pornography, snuff movies and torture (and murder ) very young children. I have at least 55 minutes breathless and looked in disbelief:

"This was done by people, who know people, who wanted to harm children. This was done as a money making adventure. And this was done by very usefull highly Organised criminals " [...] Voice over: "The allogations of this program beyond May seme beleve. That British people were living in Amsterdam, have been making money from sexcrimes for wich children have payed with there lives .. "

"I can remember each face seperatly" [...] "I can remember them in detail." [...] "They where all aged between nine and ten, eleven, at the very oldest." [...] "They were all very thin and very young boys ... ". [...] "And it's easier to believe that I lie than to believe thatthese tapes do excist".

Bjorn: "And it shows a young boy of the age of seven or eight years, carried into a room. He is hooded. He was taken to a chair ..., he is tieded To that chair ..., and over a period of time, he is sexuale abused in the most horrific way ".

The "Peadophilia unit" of the New Scotland Yard in 1997 was apparently still willing to comment on (and research into) the images of Granada TV from Amsterdam again to get there now ..

A generous donor gave the documentary "The Boy Business" with me and hung him on an unguarded moment to my front door. Still thank you very much, generous giver, whoever you are! The central figures in this documentary included the infamous Warwick Spinks , who later sentenced to five years in prison for his disgusting practices (and after two years returned to work, even richer than before because his income from child pornography and prostitution simply continued in prison). But so were with him also "shopping lists" found its customers which of course were mostly living in the Netherlands. And one Peter Howles, a convict, dubious (children) photographer in Amsterdam.

Wondering what has come out. Research by our justice to that "shopping lists" of its customers That list was not just a kind of insurance for him against his possible arrest (blackmail) or could John Doe when even ensure his safe retreat? Remember that behind every name hides a drama and a willing customer. And this is only a part of that whole list:



In this, English, documentary, several victims of these atrocities in Amsterdam image as a child - and especially displaced - already in the early 90s and before that were picked up at the Central Station and under kind words, money and lured shelter to so-called 'Hostels' where they were photographed, filmed first and abused under the threat that the footage would be sent if no further contributed to the very far-reaching prostitution and child pornography. their family They have firsthand that young children of their own age were slaughtered in front of the camera. Who herein does not recognize the practice of a leading pedophile network?

The Boy Business - 8 April 1997 - Part 1, 2 & 3 lasts 53 minutes.





Thank you Katz



I have felt physically sick the last few days, I can't get the images of theses poor children out of my head and the horrendous torture they have endured leading to some of the poor mites deaths.
Spinks is protected as vile was, because he knows a lot of dirt on other paedophile murders and rapists, that film Hostel that was out a few years ago kids kidnapped to order, my instinct is there is a lot of truth in that film.
There is a special place in hell for the protectors of these abominations .

bossman10
11-06-2013, 04:37 PM
good article

http://thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/the-tip-of-the-iceberg/

The tip of the iceberg
Power, paedophile rings and an establishment cover-up
Posted on June 10, 2013 by Matthew Steeples


I posted this last night.

bossman10
11-06-2013, 05:21 PM
Ovenden: A danger to children then, a danger to children now.


http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=12489

bossman10
11-06-2013, 05:24 PM
What links Dolphin Square, Ben Fellows, Stringfellows,David Cameron, Max Clifford, Stephen Less and paedophiles


http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2013_06_01_archive.html

bossman10
11-06-2013, 05:32 PM
THE PAEDOFILE: At every level, local or national, the official bollockspeak continues unchanged


https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/the-paedofile-at-every-level-local-or-national-the-official-bollockspeak-continues-unchanged/

lurker
11-06-2013, 06:17 PM
Could some kind person please give a short commentary, history, synopsis or timeline for all the Dutch evidence that is being uncovered. i.e. names, connections, who was arrested/released, UK links, etc.

It is important stuff, but I guess quite difficult for any newby to join the dots and understand the relevance to Savile without digging into all the detail.

oonalu
11-06-2013, 06:38 PM
Could some kind person please give a short commentary, history, synopsis or timeline for all the Dutch evidence that is being uncovered. i.e. names, connections, who was arrested/released, UK links, etc.

It is important stuff, but I guess quite difficult for any newby to join the dots and understand the relevance to Savile without digging into all the detail.

Bit about Spinks, .... Protected like Savile



http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/police-warwick-spinks/

discovery77
11-06-2013, 08:20 PM
@ lurker
Regret to say its massively complex and dnt have time to provide synopsis, maybe someone could work on this?.

Basically though all we need to remember is that Holland was/is a massive hub of child sex trafficking, and that many of the names on the Elm documents or connected to them (eg Spinks) lead back to there as a hub of activity/abuse/trafficking in conjunction with this country and others, and child pornography. Increasingly now also, the abuse cesspit of Belgium. Kids from Grafton close kids home, seemingly supplier of kids among others to Elm guest House were also trafficked there.

Savile was also at Elm guest house and a close friend of Harry Kasir the owner, and would pop round for 'coffee and a chat' and 'mingle'. Its all exactly same as is here - vip's being protected on a national and global scale. It's massive.

discovery77
11-06-2013, 08:26 PM
Lothar Glandorf - Three

Born in the Sixties, Lothar Glandorf begun his
career in the branch import/export of children,
from the Eastern countries to Dutch brothels.

Native from Thüringen in Germany, he had a perfect
landing place between the Polish border and Holland.
He soon collected enough funds to purchase his first
brothel, and settled in Rotterdam. Lothar developed
a concept of child prostitution with triple convolution:
he supplied customers of sadists and he resold the
children according to their endurance, either with his
fellow-members, or to the producers of pornographic
imageries. It required an important bearing, which made
the fortune of the children’s frontier runners and filled
the “softer” brothels at the less risk for their directors.

http://morkhoven.org/wordpress/?p=888
Interesting, so looking like a familiar tale all round, start abusing, selling, trafficking to other countries, buy own brothel, just like Spinks and Williams did, except they started from London/Wales, and pornography featuring all the while.

He was convicted in 1995 (late Feb/1st March- reports differ as to which) but was most probably remanded into custody from when he was first arrested (and if he wasnt that stinks. Reasons for refusing someone bail- danger to themselves or public, likely to abscond/interfere with witnesses).

So he would have been locked up from July 1994, if not a little earlier than that. (time from charges to trial back then was 7/8/9 months or more)

Did he leave Amsterdam for the UK again because the heat was on, or some other reason? Would be good to know, and also who filled his boots over there when he left?

With an investigation commencing whilst he was still inside in 1997 it's no surprise he did a runner once he was released. Six months or more they had to find something on him to keep him inside...and nothing.

Re Canaries- defo looking like Tenerife. Reports said he owned apartments there.

thanks for that info Dopey, so he was also remanded remarkably close in fact from when Frank spoke out in 1993.
Uk return could well be because heat was on in Amsterdam.
A closer look at child abuse networks in
the Netherlands and Belgium:

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:A_closer_look_at_child_abuse_networks_in_ the_Netherlands_and_Belgium

International businessmen, lawyers and politicians were among Spinks's clients when he ran the notorious Why Not boy brothel in Amsterdam before his arrest.

Cops in Amsterdam secretly taped Spinks offering to supply a video in which a 10-year-old boy was killed. He also said an associate had seen a boy die in the making of a film.

Spinks told our investigators at a meeting in Prague's Wenceslas Square: "Scotland Yard would love to get their hands on me because they wasted pounds 2million investigating me." Two minders watched from a nearby car as Spinks added: "I am well protected here."

When one minder rumbled our photographer, Spinks started ranting and had to be calmed by passing policemen.




http://www.thefreelibrary.com/WE+SMASH+SICKO'S+SEX+HOLS%3b+Exposed%3a+Fugitive+p aedophile+who+runs...-a060954400


oonalu-thankyou. This info was lost on me. So Spinks ran Why Not! Thanks.:)

Regarding this all getting bit much - yes - take a break if need be. This is getting ever darker, as post above by Hawker highlights with Belgium connections. Lean on each other for support if need be. :cool:

hangthedj
11-06-2013, 08:35 PM
Researchers - absolutely loving all your determined work, but I have to say I feel left behind.

I posted yesterday after Discovery's very good timeline asking if someone had taken on posting a separate thread for it (as suggested by someone else), and didn't get a reply. I would have done it myself (it's a two minute job, if that) but am not a 'researcher' here - never have been - and so don't feel like one who should start a 'research' thread but that seems much needed now, especially if this thread is no longer going to be used as an info-dump.

Having said that, I still would have done it if someone had asked me to.

I'm confused here, because if this is going the way of a 'pure', laser-targeted research thread (which I think could be a great thing) then people who are working that way should be picking these things up, no?

If it's not, then start a separate thread in the sub-forum for this and let this continue to be the info-dump it always was..?

Sorry, I don't mean to be negative, but am totally bamboozled about what this thread is right now.

:confused:

bossman10
11-06-2013, 08:49 PM
Researchers - absolutely loving all your determined work, but I have to say I feel left behind.

I posted yesterday after Discovery's very good timeline asking if someone had taken on posting a separate thread for it (as suggested by someone else), and didn't get a reply. I would have done it myself (it's a two minute job, if that) but am not a 'researcher' here - never have been - and so don't feel like one who should start a 'research' thread but that seems much needed now, especially if this thread is no longer going to be used as an info-dump.

Having said that, I still would have done it if someone had asked me to.

I'm confused here, because if this is going the way of a 'pure', laser-targeted research thread (which I think could be a great thing) then people who are working that way should be picking these things up, no?

If it's not, then start a separate thread in the sub-forum for this and let this continue to be the info-dump it always was..?

Sorry, I don't mean to be negative, but am totally bamboozled about what this thread is right now.

:confused:


Me too, so much of the stuff coming out now is either repeat after repeat or seems totally irrelevant.

Don't know what is happening here lately, I'm lost too.

discovery77
11-06-2013, 08:54 PM
Researchers - absolutely loving all your determined work, but I have to say I feel left behind.

I posted yesterday after Discovery's very good timeline asking if someone had taken on posting a separate thread for it (as suggested by someone else), and didn't get a reply. I would have done it myself (it's a two minute job, if that) but am not a 'researcher' here - never have been - and so don't feel like one who should start a 'research' thread but that seems much needed now, especially if this thread is no longer going to be used as an info-dump.

Having said that, I still would have done it if someone had asked me to.

I'm confused here, because if this is going the way of a 'pure', laser-targeted research thread (which I think could be a great thing) then people who are working that way should be picking these things up, no?

If it's not, then start a separate thread in the sub-forum for this and let this continue to be the info-dump it always was..?

Sorry, I don't mean to be negative, but am totally bamboozled about what this thread is right now.

:confused:

Sorry for confusion - I am willing for another thread to be made for timeline, as I said, I just dnt know how to do it? I said if anyone could that would be very welcome, or tell me how to?:o

Regards what this thread is - I hope what it has always been? A free for all, for whoever wants to post anything about Savile or related? :confused:

Just because 1 angle may take off, NOBODY should be disinclined to pursue other areas - wherever it may lead them! This thread has nearly always had several leads running in different subjects running at same time. Its a democracy here aint it?

Having said that, if people are getting annoyed with the current stuff, Ill go with whatever consensus is to do. But please, everyone post whatever their heart tells them to!

dopey
11-06-2013, 09:04 PM
Sorry for confusion - I am willing for another thread to be made for timeline, as I said, I just dnt know how to do it? I said if anyone could that would be very welcome, or tell me how to?:o

Regards what this thread is - I hope what it has always been? A free for all, for whoever wants to post anything about Savile or related? :confused:

Just because 1 angle may take off, NOBODY should be disinclined to pursue other areas - wherever it may lead them! This thread has nearly always had several leads running in different subjects running at same time. Its a democracy here aint it?

Having said that, if people are getting annoyed with the current stuff, Ill go with whatever consensus is to do. But please, everyone post whatever their heart tells them to!

I'm happy to do it, but the reason I haven't offered to do it or done it is because I think you should do it..and I'll tell you why.

When I've done similar before elsewhere the beauty of it was - the timeline was the very first post on the thread (erm obviously) and I could go back to that first post and edit it to update it with additional info to my heart's content.

Anyone wanting to look at it just had to go to the very first post on the thread to find the latest updated timeline. It worked better than quoting my own post, updating it that way and then re-posting it on the thread.

That's what I had in mind for it -how I'd do it I should say. I was thinking more of it being a reference point and working document (for want of a better word) than a thread to thrash things out on in addition to this one. That timeline of Disco's covers everything, like this thread does, so no point in posting anything but timeline related updates on it for Disco (or whoever takes it on) to look at adding to the master post.

discovery77
11-06-2013, 09:05 PM
Me too, so much of the stuff coming out now is either repeat after repeat or seems totally irrelevant.

Don't know what is happening here lately, I'm lost too.

Whats the repeats? :confused: Im not getting this disruption to be honest!

nofuture
11-06-2013, 09:05 PM
OSCAR-winning actor Jeremy Irons has voiced support for stars accused in the wake of the Savile sex scandal.

The Brideshead Revisited star, 64, claimed people in the 1970s were “goers”.

He added: “If the worst thing you’ve done was put your hand on someone’s thigh, that may be sexual abuse, but it’s not like b*****ing a nine-year-old boy.

“Look at Top of the Pops. What did those girls want when they hung around the caravans and trailers afterwards?

“There was a sort of sexual freedom. To have all that dragged up for something relatively innocuous, that’s tough.

“They seem to be in the mood to pillory anybody.”

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4962133/Irons-raps-probes.html#ixzz2VwLJcYQu

in art ticulate
11-06-2013, 09:06 PM
THE PAEDOFILE: At every level, local or national, the official bollockspeak continues unchanged


https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/the-paedofile-at-every-level-local-or-national-the-official-bollockspeak-continues-unchanged/

At least they know we know, is it so rife it's too big for anyone to tackle?

discovery77
11-06-2013, 09:15 PM
Ive done it, dnt know if ive done it properly or whatever, its there somewhere.

bossman10
11-06-2013, 09:19 PM
Whats the repeats? :confused: Im not getting this disruption to be honest!


Probably me disco, reading too many different blogs.

dopey
11-06-2013, 09:21 PM
Ive done it, dnt know if ive done it properly or whatever, its there somewhere.

Brilliant...and thank you Disco, again.

erm..any idea where you stuck it? :D

Edit seen it!

discovery77
11-06-2013, 09:22 PM
Brilliant...and thank you Disco, again.

erm..any idea where you stuck it? :D

somewhere in todays news lol... I think!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247688

abrakebabra
11-06-2013, 09:25 PM
somewhere in todays news lol... I think!

Lol, nice one Disco, it's here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247688

Guess the mods might move it to the Child Abuse forum with a title like that...?

discovery77
11-06-2013, 09:33 PM
Thanks Abrekababra. :D


To be honest Im bit disappointed some people cant see relevance of this and how its all importantly related to Savile and that this thread has always been about posting what you want. The other thread's design was only ever meant as a ref point for this thread. :(

hangthedj
11-06-2013, 09:35 PM
Thanks for the reply as ever Discovery :)

I think a large part of it's me. This Spinks stuff I've never followed...I work in a different way.

The Tour de France kicks off this month...all over Savile's 'stomping grounds'...starting from where he started (and very much flagged) - Otley, and finishing at Buck House.

I just feel the wood's getting lost here, somewhere. I understand the need for research, and actually that probably is the only place where any breakthrough can be made (why I admire you guys so much), and Spinks clearly has to be gone after, and quickly. Let's get that evil bastard locked up again as soon as possible - I'm with you all on that.

It's just frustrating for me to see other insightful (incidental - ?) stuff get 'lost', and more than that to see whole threads of research also get lost. I've tried pushing the sub-forum (child abuse) for certain strands (always saying that stuff can be posted here and then duplicated across there, so it's not one or the other - it both keeps it here and provides an ongoing thread that can be followed by anyone picking it up at the 'start').

I'm happy to do it, but the reason I haven't offered to do it or done it is because I think you should do it..and I'll tell you why.

When I've done similar before elsewhere the beauty of it was - the timeline was the very first post on the thread (erm obviously) and I could go back to that first post and edit it to update it with additional info to my heart's content.

Anyone wanting to look at it just had to go to the very first post on the thread to find the latest updated timeline. It worked better than quoting my own post, updating it that way and then re-posting it on the thread.

That's what I had in mind for it -how I'd do it I should say. I was thinking more of it being a reference point and working document (for want of a better word) than a thread to thrash things out on in addition to this one. That timeline of Disco's covers everything, like this thread does, so no point in posting anything but timeline related updates on it for Disco (or whoever takes it on) to look at adding to the master post.

Dopey - there's a time-limit on editing a post. So (don't know exactly what it is here but) editing the first post wouldn't work within a day or two.

And someone could surely have told Discovery how to post a thread? :confused: You researchers are steaming away (brilliantly it seems - although I haven't followed that particular topic so can only admire so much from afar) but it's all being lost in here too, don't you see that?

To post a thread (from the David Icke homepage):

- Click on 'forum'

- Click on the part of the forum you want (e.g. 'Today's News', 'General', 'Child Abuse' etc)

- There's a tab with 'new thread' toppish-left - above the thread list but just below the white text on green background saying 'user CP'. Click on that, enter a title, and a first post, and away you go :)

Look sorry, I don't mean to complain, and this guy and his accomplices MUST be caught as a matter of urgency imho, I'm just frustrated that the researchers here aren't as organised as they could be (and so afaik are beavering away for nothing).

Peace, and very much love xxx

troyhand
11-06-2013, 09:53 PM
Lol, nice one Disco, it's here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247688

Guess the mods might move it to the Child Abuse forum with a title like that...?

Great timeline. deserves its own sticky.

dopey
11-06-2013, 10:15 PM
Thanks for the reply as ever Discovery :)

I think a large part of it's me. This Spinks stuff I've never followed...I work in a different way.

The Tour de France kicks off this month...all over Savile's 'stomping grounds'...starting from where he started (and very much flagged) - Otley, and finishing at Buck House.

I just feel the wood's getting lost here, somewhere. I understand the need for research, and actually that probably is the only place where any breakthrough can be made (why I admire you guys so much), and Spinks clearly has to be gone after, and quickly. Let's get that evil bastard locked up again as soon as possible - I'm with you all on that.

It's just frustrating for me to see other insightful (incidental - ?) stuff get 'lost', and more than that to see whole threads of research also get lost. I've tried pushing the sub-forum (child abuse) for certain strands (always saying that stuff can be posted here and then duplicated across there, so it's not one or the other - it both keeps it here and provides an ongoing thread that can be followed by anyone picking it up at the 'start').



Dopey - there's a time-limit on editing a post. So (don't know exactly what it is here but) editing the first post wouldn't work within a day or two.

And someone could surely have told Discovery how to post a thread? :confused: You researchers are steaming away (brilliantly it seems - although I haven't followed that particular topic so can only admire so much from afar) but it's all being lost in here too, don't you see that?

To post a thread (from the David Icke homepage):

- Click on 'forum'

- Click on the part of the forum you want (e.g. 'Today's News', 'General', 'Child Abuse' etc)

- There's a tab with 'new thread' toppish-left - above the thread list but just below the white text on green background saying 'user CP'. Click on that, enter a title, and a first post, and away you go :)

Look sorry, I don't mean to complain, and this guy and his accomplices MUST be caught as a matter of urgency imho, I'm just frustrated that the researchers here aren't as organised as they could be (and so afaik are beavering away for nothing).

Peace, and very much love xxx

So what you don't read and don't follow you don't want on the thread?

HTDJ stuff is being posted on here about this (Spinks and co) for one reason only - to share some of it with others who might just be interested too and want to read it, and it is all intertwined. Things may just be going on outside of this thread and things may just be as organised as they can be outside of this thread too.

I'm obviously wrong in my (prior) belief that any of this would be of interest to others on here too. Now I've been made aware no bugger is interested I'll stop wasting my time and will refrain from posting any of it on here from now on :)

Can we have some more garden show gnome photos to analyse again now please?

hangthedj
11-06-2013, 10:36 PM
So what you don't read and don't follow you don't want on the thread?

HTDJ stuff is being posted on here about this (Spinks and co) for one reason only - to share some of it with others who might just be interested too and want to read it, and it is all intertwined. Things may just be going on outside of this thread and things may just be as organised as they can be outside of this thread too.

I'm obviously wrong in my (prior) belief that any of this would be of interest to others on here too. Now I've been made aware no bugger is interested I'll stop wasting my time and will refrain from posting any of it on here from now on :)

Can we have some more garden show gnome photos to analyse again now please?

I can only follow so much. I have lived this thread since September, day and night, like it or not. I have read every single post at one time or another I promise you.

There is nothing I don't want on the thread other than sliding or shilling (have you read any of my posts?!).

Read my post again - I know just how important Spinks is. I am interested in getting him nailed in the best way possible (even though that particular branch of research is way out of my comfort zone) so have suggested some ways of doing that with a parallel thread running in tandem with this one where all the research can be gathered together and people can follow the evidence from start to finish.

My only point was that stuff is being seriously lost here, can't you see that? :confused:

hangthedj
11-06-2013, 10:41 PM
P.S. That was post 1,333 from you Dopey - I take that as a good sign :)

discovery77
11-06-2013, 10:44 PM
I can only follow so much. I have lived this thread since September, day and night, like it or not. I have read every single post at one time or another I promise you.

There is nothing I don't want on the thread other than sliding or shilling (have you read any of my posts?!).

Read my post again - I know just how important Spinks is. I am interested in getting him nailed in the best way possible (even though that particular branch of research is way out of my comfort zone) so have suggested some ways of doing that with a parallel thread running in tandem with this one where all the research can be gathered together and people can follow the evidence from start to finish.

My only point was that stuff is being seriously lost here, can't you see that? :confused:

you can pick up on posts that get lost you know by replying and bumping.
(your greater presence would be greatly appreciated in fact in support of this thread).

You can also see that the thread was slowing down and an impetus of posts
was needed. Dopey and I have only ever had the best interests of this thread at heart.
Everything we've been discussing is massively interlinked and CRUCIAL to unravelling
much stuff related to savile and involving him! Its national and international child
abuse we are talking here, of which Savile was an abuser and procurer - surely you
can see that wider picture, even if you dont follow all the posts?

Moving it would spell disaster - linkages get lost, posters get divided, and we would be
continually reverting to and fro for searching related items on thread!

NOBODY is stopped from posting anything they want to - this thread has been about
this from the beginning.

Sorry its also a bit arrogant of you to say the lack of 'researchers' 'organisation'
is frustrating - how on earth do you know what hard work is going on on and around
and because of the thread?

Im taking a break tonight, dont want to ruffle anyone's feathers. Goodnight.

hangthedj
11-06-2013, 11:31 PM
I know all that Discovery - promise ;)

My frustration was mainly at the lack of anyone helping you with posting a new thread. I asked on your behalf and no-one bothered to reply to me either. No point going into detail here but people have said they could do it but didn't mention it on the thread, or PM you - I find that frustrating.

I've also been frustrated because so much hard work has gone into so much and not been followed through, purely because of the nature of the thread. Now we can make threads of their own at will in the Child Abuse section (set up after much hassling of the mods by me and others - sorry mods but thank you!) with the 'Savile-related' tag. Not to replace stuff here, but to duplicate it there on the relevant thread, so that people can follow individual strands and investigations.

We all know what is at stake here so I get very angry with timewasters or people who just simply can't be bothered to do things properly. And I don't see why you brilliant researchers are working your fingers to the bone when you don't have the support systems in place that are so obviously needed. And that's just simple things like asking for help on how to post a thread and getting nothing back!

At the same time when pure research takes over completely here for days on end other posters are 'lost'. That's not a criticism, I'm just saying.

I'm done here, but that's not because of this (promise!). I've been saying it for a while. My desperate wish is to help the children right now, and I think my best energies to that end may be away from here, doing whatever I can.

Much love, much power to you all xxx

troyhand
11-06-2013, 11:33 PM
http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2013/06/11/abandoned-sex-abuse-cases-reviewed/

Shropshire Star
11 June 2013

Abandoned sex abuse cases reviewed

Four sex abuse cases that were dropped by police or prosecutors are being reviewed by a new panel set up in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.

As part of a wider overhaul of the approach to investigating child sex offences, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and police chiefs have formed a panel of experts to look at cases where they have previously advised against taking further action.

It has been revealed that four individuals from across the country have come forward to complain about their cases, covering a total of three suspects. Some of the referrals involve religious institutions.

Police and prosecutors also unveiled new child sexual exploitation and abuse guidelines, which stress victims must be allowed to seek counselling before trial, and make clear that children can be told when they are not alone in making claims against their alleged attacker.

Chief constable Dave Whatton, national policing lead on violence and public protection, said the cases referred to the panel so far were not related to celebrities, none fall under the grooming or gangs category but some are related to "religious institutions".

The panel will consist of a chief crown prosecutor, an Association of Chief Police Officers rank police officer, a specialist prosecutor and experienced child abuse police investigator and an independent representative from either the NSPCC or the Office of the Children's Commissioner.

Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Keir Starmer said he expects the number of cases referred to the panel to increase, adding: "The purpose is to look at any case where an individual says I came forward in the past and either the police or the prosecution took the decision not to take my case forward and ask the panel to look at it.

"We don't want the panel to become overly bureaucratic and we don't want it to sit if it's unnecessary. In many places round the country chief constables are saying we will look at cases again in any event. If you hearing that, you don't need to go to the panel and it's really much more straightforward for the victim."

Mr Starmer previously described the findings of the Savile inquiry, in which more than 200 criminal offences were recorded against the disgraced presenter's name, as a "watershed moment".

The new guidelines were drawn up to address major problems with the way in which prosecutors and police approached allegations made against Savile and other predatory child abusers.

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2013/06/11/abandoned-sex-abuse-cases-reviewed/

chuggy
11-06-2013, 11:39 PM
Excellent job on the timeline disco!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247688

.............................................

The Everybody Knows video gets pulled on youtube, can only do it with no sound, so if anybody else has got anywhere else they can upload it please pm me;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3vXcPBfpwg

And that picture of nazi phil is evil, what a feckin lizard!

Good to see some old posters returning, welcome back,
I'm still catching up and although not posting lately I'm reading all.

hawker
12-06-2013, 12:00 AM
Researchers - absolutely loving all your determined work, but I have to say I feel left behind.

I posted yesterday after Discovery's very good timeline asking if someone had taken on posting a separate thread for it (as suggested by someone else), and didn't get a reply. I would have done it myself (it's a two minute job, if that) but am not a 'researcher' here - never have been - and so don't feel like one who should start a 'research' thread but that seems much needed now, especially if this thread is no longer going to be used as an info-dump.

Having said that, I still would have done it if someone had asked me to.

I'm confused here, because if this is going the way of a 'pure', laser-targeted research thread (which I think could be a great thing) then people who are working that way should be picking these things up, no?

If it's not, then start a separate thread in the sub-forum for this and let this continue to be the info-dump it always was..?

Sorry, I don't mean to be negative, but am totally bamboozled about what this thread is right now.

:confused:

Left behind.
Only one person to blame for that :(

Information on Elm - Tricker - Spinks - all safely "dumped" = Here.

This "specific" thread probably gets more "hits" than most newspapers
shift "dailys". There is a reason information is presented in as detailed
and documented a fashion as possible, it's to aid the press and Police
in their investigations, not to take up and waste valuable thread
space.

This is no "laser-targeted research", trust me, it all gets discovered
as we go along, same as always.

Separate threads and sub-threads are the kiss of death
to info-dumping "and" research. It all "still" belongs in one
place - Here. "This" is where the mainstream look.

Disco's timeline is an excellent piece of work and is safe,
accessible, and updateable on it's own thread. It is a good
reference point and database to us "already" in the know.
It will receive repeated hits from "us". The rest is better off
left alone.

If we delete all today's "Spinks & Crew" work how may postings
does that leave for 11 June?

Haven't seen you around for a short while, maybe that's why
you're behind and don't understand the current material?

Just a thought. Night.

diamond dogs
12-06-2013, 12:04 AM
I Not sure if this monster Brian Lull (Field) has been mentioned but still worth a repeat. The TV series that highlighted the case and the questioning officer spoke of how field tried to use masonic signals toward him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGaDwbyenkQ

Field was also shown on TV whilst working for the Milk Marketing Board and two children that are still missing from his patch were featured on milk cartons which I beleive was a coded message.

He was obviously a serial offender and even when a boy of 15 was found hanged at his house it was claimed suicide.

This is the case of Freemason? Brian Lull aka Brian Field who escaped capture for 33 years having murdered 14 yr old Roy Tutill

http://www.murderpedia.org/male.F/f/field-brian.htm

hawker
12-06-2013, 12:12 AM
Hey Troyhand.......hats off to you mate with all of your information. But to be honest with you, I'd prefer if you could just title the posts and put the links in the posts. :o

I know I've praised your posts before, but now I find it difficult to know the relevance of the way you post and where they are on the map to this thread, so to speak.

And also a lot of it has been covered already in earlier posts sorry to say, although credit to you for expanding on them.

It's just that there is no direct map for people to follow and it appears to be just information for the sake of it. Which makes me feel like a shit because I know that's not your intention at all. But I honestly just feel myself glazing over a lot of your posts even though I know they are highly relevant.

Sorry for sounding unappreciative of your great work, but hope you understand what I mean. :o

I think the thread needs at least some kind of tangible dot to dot connectible and communication going on and not just some kind of fact finding cut and paste stuff of info. I appreciate we need this too.....but I think it should be brought up as a topic of conversation and referenced for safe keeping only if to prove as a reference point.

Sorry....I'm rambling on and probably not explaining myself well at all. But feel it's a deluge of all sorts of information that is highly relevant to be archived, but doesn't lend to a continual conversation flow. And BTW you are not the only one guilty of this by a long chalk.....so I mean this to those other fm's guilty of doing this too. :o

I would like to have a dialogue with you Troyhand. Find out how you personally feel about this whole Savile affair. Not just NOT know you other than for the info you've posted like some kind of search bot. Hope you understand what I'm saying. :)

Post 136: that's why I always paste in the info
as the sanitisers will corrupt the links to go 404

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222773&page=7

casey_lu
12-06-2013, 12:19 AM
This is on Gojam's Blog this evening and thought it might be of interest....


Tom Watson MP[B]
This is a fantastic opportunity to watch Tom Watson MP interviewed by Daily Mirror journalist Kevin Maguire. Operation Fernbridge and Operation Fairbank will certainly be on the agenda. The event is taking place at The Rose Theatre in Kingston on the 27th June and starts at 8pm and a ticket is only £10.

But there is one catch.

There are only 330 seats available, less actually, as I’ve just booked for Op Greenlight and myself. I’ve been given a heads up by someone who would be in a position to know that this should be worth attending. You can book your ticket HERE.

Who knows, you might even get the opportunity to ask a question yourself…

Tom Watson is Deputy Chair of the Labour Party and an MP since 2001. He was a Defence and a Cabinet Office Minister but is best known for his investigation and questioning of Rupert Murdoch’s media empire.

More recently he campaigned successfully for the re-opening of an investigation into child sex abuse allegations centred in Richmond. Here he talks to journalist Kevin Maguire about the causes he has taken on and the impact they’ve had on his life.

Tom Watson at the Rose Theatre

Labour deputy chairman Tom Watson speaks at the Rose this month. Robert Edwards meets him at Parliament for a sneak preview

Today, of course, the political landscape can seem more marked by scandal than debate and reform, and this is particularly pertinent given another subject likely to get an airing at the Rose, namely the ongoing inquiry into alleged child sex abuse at the Elm Guesthouse, Barnes, in the 1980s.

At Prime Minister’s Questions last October, Watson told a hushed Commons there was “clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring” with links to Parliament and Downing Street, adding credence to claims of an establishment cover-up.

“My office was inundated with allegations, evidence, claims, survivors coming through, and there was an allegation made about the Elm Guesthouse,” he explains.

A criminal investigation, Operation Fernbridge, is now in progress.

Kingston Magazine

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/

oonalu
12-06-2013, 12:20 AM
http://www.thehagueconspiracy.com/index.htm?tab0#a1


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Warwick S. "Temse network"
NRC (25.07.1998) English pedophile, alleged member of the ' Temse-network '. Confidant of Lothar Glandorf. Gerry Ulrich would shortly before his death several times with threatening messages have called. According to the working group so Ulrich told Morkhoven[NRC]

lurker
12-06-2013, 12:23 AM
Thanks for the timeline. Just what I was looking for.
A bit of glue to join all the loose dots back to the main theme of this thread.

Great work.

oonalu
12-06-2013, 12:31 AM
NRC (25.07.1998) mid-June found dead in the woods near the Italian place Volterra with a bullet shot in his stomach. Was 49 years old. Lived in Zandvoort and was owner of computer shop Cube Hardware, an alleged cover up the distribution of child pornography. Spread child pornography by computer via bulletin board ' Apollo '. Ulrich sailing lesson to young people on the sailing ship gave named ' Apollo ' by his friend Leo Veiga. Shortly before his death handed child pornography from his collection to the Working Group Morkhoven. Would have suffered to incurable cancer. Friends with Robby van der p. with whom he travelled in June. According to his sister-in-law in front of the police was already a year ago accused of activities related to child pornography. According to the police was when only ' porn ', which is not punishable.[NRC] [NRC]
Leo Veiga registry-accountant at KPMG
NRC (25.07.1998) registry alive-accountant at KPMG. A year ago a disease died. Had an address book containing names of alleged members of the ' Temse-network '. Was the owner of sailing yacht ' Apollo ' (see: Gerry Ulrich).[NRC]




http://www.thehagueconspiracy.com/index.htm?tab3

troyhand
12-06-2013, 12:44 AM
This is on Gojam's Blog this evening and thought it might be of interest....


Tom Watson MP[B]
This is a fantastic opportunity to watch Tom Watson MP interviewed by Daily Mirror journalist Kevin Maguire. Operation Fernbridge and Operation Fairbank will certainly be on the agenda. The event is taking place at The Rose Theatre in Kingston on the 27th June and starts at 8pm and a ticket is only £10.

Thank God Tom Watson brought all this to light in Parliament. I don't trust politicians, even when they do the right thing. The good ones still have to compromise their integrity to a cesspool system. I want to trust Tom Watson. I don't like Keith Vaz at all with his connections to Tamil Conference and being friends with Purdew/Champreys along with Savile

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8646241/Phone-hacking-Keith-Vaz-links-to-spa-behind-Stephenson-resignation.html

Phone hacking: Keith Vaz links to spa behind Stephenson resignation
19 Jul 2011

Mr Vaz, chairman of the home affairs select committee, is expected to lead the questioning of Sir Paul Stephenson, who resigned as head of Scotland Yard on Sunday, at a hearing in Parliament.

Sir Paul is likely to be grilled over his decision to accept hospitality at the Champneys health resort in Hertfordshire, and his connections to Neil Wallis, the spa’s former PR adviser and an ex-News of the World executive who was arrested over the phone hacking scandal last week.

Mr Vaz, the Labour MP for Leicester East, has a long-standing connection to the Purdew family, who own Champneys, including charitable and business links in addition to a close personal friendship.

The latest disclosure centres on Mr Vaz’s links to an exclusive new development in Kerala, southern India, called Eshta. The resort of premium villas and apartments, set in 60 acres of waterways and palm forests, describes itself as “a haven of luxury and decadence” for “the cream of society”.

The directors of the development project include Arjan and Mitesh Vekaria, brothers who own Vascroft Contractors Ltd, a company that worked on several state school building projects in London.

_______________________________
(In context, this next article showed some telling behavior on the politicians, but I don't know if it means anything. I hope it wasn't Tom Watson asking these kind of questions at the panel)

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/reynolds-wins-labour-battle-886583
Reynolds wins Labour battle
31 Mar 2010

Local councillor Jonathon Reynolds was celebrating after winning the chance to defend the plum seat of Stalybridge and Hyde.

The 29-year-old trainee solicitor, who has represented Labour on the Longdendale ward on Tameside Council since 2007, said he was ‘delighted’ with the news.

But despite his victory, it still doesn’t mean he knows what’s top of the pops.

In a strange selection interview, Labour’s top brass grilled would-be MPs at Westminster about a string of bizarre pop-culture questions – including their knowledge of Dancing on Ice and the pop charts.

The panel – which included ex-ministers Keith Vaz and Tom Watson, a close ally of Gordon Brown – demanded to know what was number one in the pop singles chart and who had been ‘evicted’ from the ITV ice-dancing show.

One stunned Labour MP said the choice of questions ‘defied belief’ at a time when the party leaders were clashing on the economy, Afghanistan and swingeing public-sector cuts.

...
At the controversial vetting meeting, which took place on March 14, candidates were also asked to name the last film they saw and identify the home grounds of Hyde United (Ewen Fields) and Stalybridge Celtic (Bower Fold).

It is unclear if anyone was able to name Loose Women star Coleen Nolan as the unlucky ice skater, or rapper Tinie Tempah as the chart topper.

goodness
12-06-2013, 12:45 AM
I wish people wouldn't be critical or judgmental about what people post. When dedicated, caring people put so much effort into research, posting etc, it hurts when their efforts are criticized. The end result is that the poster feels disinclined to post.

We want to see this evil end asap, and so we want to welcome and support these great posters in getting as much valuable info out to the people. And each of us have our own unique contribution to make.

People have different ways of communicating info, some people are brief, some lengthy & detailed , some visual, some literal, some humorous, etc and they all keep the thread flowing.

If one line is featured for awhile that's ok, sometimes posters are taking a break and no one is posting anything else, soon enough, another revelation will be revealed and the thread will take off in another direction. But they all point to the same end, which is to end this horror.

Whenever I get upset about thread- related issues, I think of all those poor, innocent suffering children, and how I must do something to help.

Practical suggestions: If someone has a question, concern about what someone is posting, it might be better if it was discussed via pm, at least initially.

It is a good idea to take a break from posting when needed. It is vital, - what we have to view & contemplate, is horrific and emotionally disturbing material and very upsetting. Also, occasional humor serves the same function, I think. We need these to stay strong and healthy so that we can combat this evil as quickly as possible.

I think everyone is doing an amazing job and I thank you all for your incredible, invaluable and unique contributions:)

oonalu
12-06-2013, 01:13 AM
http://www.pnvd.nl/EN_Prog_May_2008.html

oonalu
12-06-2013, 01:17 AM
http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/XrefViewPDF.asp?FileID=19235&Language=EN

sweetcheeks
12-06-2013, 01:38 AM
I wish people wouldn't be critical or judgmental about what people post. When dedicated, caring people put so much effort into research, posting etc, it hurts when their efforts are criticized. The end result is that the poster feels disinclined to post.

We want to see this evil end asap, and so we want to welcome and support these great posters in getting as much valuable info out to the people. And each of us have our own unique contribution to make.

People have different ways of communicating info, some people are brief, some lengthy & detailed , some visual, some literal, some humorous, etc and they all keep the thread flowing.

If one line is featured for awhile that's ok, sometimes posters are taking a break and no one is posting anything else, soon enough, another revelation will be revealed and the thread will take off in another direction. But they all point to the same end, which is to end this horror.

Whenever I get upset about thread- related issues, I think of all those poor, innocent suffering children, and how I must do something to help.

Practical suggestions: If someone has a question, concern about what someone is posting, it might be better if it was discussed via pm, at least initially.

It is a good idea to take a break from posting when needed. It is vital, - what we have to view & contemplate, is horrific and emotionally disturbing material and very upsetting. Also, occasional humor serves the same function, I think. We need these to stay strong and healthy so that we can combat this evil as quickly as possible.

I think everyone is doing an amazing job and I thank you all for your incredible, invaluable and unique contributions:)

Totally agree, chill out everyone. Remember, divide and conquer. We need to pull together if we are going to beat this evil!

oonalu
12-06-2013, 01:43 AM
REP. SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Cohen. I’d like to now – Mr. B., if you could
proceed.

MR. B.: Thank you very much.

At the age of 14, I ran away from home due to trauma of my parents divorcing
and the misery that I had encountered at school and at home. I took the train
with the destination Amsterdam, thinking that I would find a job and create a
life. Upon arrival at the Central Station, I was approached by a man who
offered me a place to stay. The following morning, I awoke without any
clothes, and they were taking naked photos of me. I asked him what he was
going to do with those photos. He said that he would send them to my parents if
I didn’t want to do what he wanted. He told me about brothels where young boys
worked. I was then brought the same day to a bar; I was introduced to a man
who had a brothel for young boys. I was afraid to say no, and I was very young
and innocent. The owner of the brothel forced me to work in this boys’ brothel
where more young minors worked. They were all underage minors between the age
of 14 until 18, from various parts of Europe. All of the clients that came to
this brothel were pedophiles. All the boys working, they were given drugs and
alcohol. After a while, this was the daily routine of the sex, drugs and
alcohol.

In addition, we were rented out for escort services to private clients and
parties. The same person who ran the brothel – who ran the brothel – also made
child pornography films. I performed in three of those movies. I also knew
people who made snuff movies. I was offered vast sums of money to perform –
yeah. I was offered vast sums of money to perform in one of these movies, but
refused, due to fact that at the end of the – of these movies, the actor is
killed.

As escort, I worked for the same brothel owner and worked out of a bar called
the Festival Bar, where I met Professor van Roon. Professor van Roon was the
man who introduced me to Joris Demmink. We were sitting at a table and he said
that I needed to go outside to meet Joris Demmink in his car. Joris wanted to
have anal sex with me, and I refused. I did have oral sex with him. The
second time that we met, he wanted me to go with him to him home in Den Haag,
Riouwstraat 13. I didn’t want to go with him, as we were forbidden to leave
the city of Amsterdam by our pimp.

In 1998, there was a large investigation into a pedophile network in Amsterdam
and Den Haag. I was approached by several police investigation units to help
with the investigation. I became the key witness of the investigation. I was
offered police protection. During that time, I told of my entire period in
Amsterdam in the child pornography and the child sex business.

This investigation was called the Rolodex investigation, and Professor van Roon
was a key suspect in this investigation. He had a rolodex, a kind of a card
file, of various high-ranking Dutch officials who were his clients and friends.
I accompanied Professor van Roon on trips to Poland, but I don’t know what he
was doing there. Perhaps he was looking for boys for his clients. He was a
broker in children for pedophiles in his network.

After my – after my period in Amsterdam, I lived in various places in the
Netherlands. I also lived in Den Haag where an attempt to kill me was made. I
was shot at three times. After that, I lived underground and tried to hide, as
the Rolodex investigation was killed and never pursued. In addition, I was
asked to cooperate in a Dutch TV news show, investigating Demmink and
high-ranking pedophiles. That show was never aired.

Throughout my time in the child sex industry and after, I have been abused,
rejected, raped, shot at, lied, and treated as dirt. My life has been ruined.
I have to undergo long-term psychological treatment, including very strong
anti-depression medication. My relation with my own two children and wife has
suffered intensely.

I would like to ask the following: help bring Demmink to justice and his entire
network of influential pedophiles. Those who abused me and many others like
myself should be brought to court and punished if found guilty. Bring back the
rule of law in the Netherlands; please help protect my identity, because I
still fear for my life. I know too much about who are the pedophiles. Thank
you for your time.

REP. SMITH: MR. B, thank you so very much for your extraordinary courage to
come here today in the pain and agony which I can see on your face and hear in
your voice. I can’t say enough how we wish you well and your calls, my hope,
will not go unheeded. And we will do everything we can as a commission,
because if we do nothing else as a commission, it’s all about protecting the
victims, and so, again, I want to thank you for your extraordinary courage for
being here this afternoon.

MR. B: Thank you.

REP. SMITH: I’d like to now ask Ms. Van der Plas if you would proceed.

Nog een vrolijke uitsmijter:
refr.:
Het zal je kind maar wezen, yeah yeah yeah yeah
Het zal je kind maar wezen, yeah yeah yeah yeah
Het zal je kind maar wezen, yeah yeah yeah yeah
Het zal je kind maar wezen, yeah yeah yeah yeah

Weg met orde en gezag
Alles mag vandaag de dag








http://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/joris-1-en-joris-2/#more-2282

troyhand
12-06-2013, 06:51 AM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/doors-close-at-haugheys-abbeville-for-the-last-time-26473227.html

Doors close at Haughey's Abbeville for the last time
The Haughey clan finally bid farewell to the mansion that saw celebration and sadness, writes Liam Collins
31 August 2008

As they gather in Abbeville for the last time today the remainder of the Haughey clan will be saying a final farewell to a remarkable family home and also to an era in Irish history that the house itself came to symbolise.
...
Charlie Haughey acquired Abbeville in 1969 at the age of 44 when he had just been re-appointed Minister for Finance by Jack Lynch. Some say he bought the house because he wanted to model himself on a fun-loving Munster earl with his mansion, his love of horse-riding and hunting with hounds. He moved from Raheny into the splended mansion which he bought from a German industrialist who had owned it for some years but had never really taken up residence.

Soon Abbeville became more than just a home -- it became the setting for the soap opera-like drama that would surround the Haughey family for close on 40 years.

Where did it start? Possibly when the dashing young Minister for Finance caught hold of a drain pipe to swing himself off his horse following his invigorating morning ride. The pipe snapped, the Minister crashed to the ground badly injured and was unable to present the Budget later that day. The curtain was up.

That particular melodrama was followed by the Arms Crisis when Haughey was fired from government.

On another bright morning, as he was shaving in the upstairs room, he was arrested by the gardai and taken by squad car to the Bridewell station to be charged with gun-running. It was, to use his own phrase, the beginning of a series of events that would turn out to be grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre and unprecedented.

But for the rest of the Haughey family Abbeville was largely a family home, where they grew up and celebrated the various rites of passage of Irish children. "Abbeville has great character and there is great peace here," the retiring Maureen Haughey, who shunned the limelight, declared.

Between these peaceful interludes, a procession of dignitaries crunched on the circular driveway in front of the house.

The opera singer Pavarotti came to buy a horse, and left with Herbie because it had the same name as his manager. Lord Snowdon arrived to have his photograph taken in the grounds, Jimmy Saville :eek: and Lady Valerie Goulding called every year. Guests included Bob Hawke of Australia and Brian Mulroney of Canada in whose company Haughey, as the leader of a Republic, could feel slightly surperior. But probably the one he was most proud to show around the house with its grand ballroom and its fine salons was his friend and fellow bon-vivant Francois Mitterrand, President of France. A 'francophile' himself, who bought his Charvet shirts in Paris, Haughey delighted in showing that the Irish had their own kind of style.

And through it all -- the occasional Cabinet meetings, the 'sessions' and the visits of important guests -- there was Nipper, the Jack Russell dog, who had about him a propriatorial air and would find his place no matter what sort of a gathering was taking place. Each morning Charlie Haughey would ride out, sometimes around the estate or in winter a horse would be taken down to Portmarnock strand where he would spend a leisurely hour. Apart from his family, his most cherished moments were his 'Saturday mornings' where architects, artists, writers, and friends would sit around and discuss ideas and the issue of importance of the day.

Less fond was the memory of a visit by the then supermarket tycoon Ben Dunne. Mr Dunne, so the story goes, was recovering from two broken ankles which he had sustained jumping into an empty swimming pool. Mr Haughey wheeled him around to see the swans in the ornamental lake and the supermarket tycoon handed Haughey three Sterling cheques for €70,000 made out in the names of T Scott, G Montgomery and M Blaire.

The words exchanged between the two men have gone down in history.

"There's something for yourself," said Ben Dunne

"Thank you, big fellah," replied the Irish leader.

Years later when Ben Dunne had revealed these and other payments to the McCracken Tribunal Mr Haughey reflected on that fateful day: "A pity I didn't fuck him into the pond," he told an old friend with characteristic bluntness.
...

http://www.herald.ie/news/my-meeting-with-savile-haughey-girl-28851428.html
My meeting with Savile -- Haughey girl
31 October 2012

FORMER Taoiseach Charlie Haughey introduced disgraced DJ Jimmy Savile to his daughter Eimear when she was a young teen, not knowing anything about his sex abuse of young girls.

Savile was a regular visitor to the Haughey home in Abbeville, Kinsealy, where he was welcomed as a fundraiser for the Central Remedial Clinic (CRC).

The charity was co-founded by Valerie Goulding with the aim of providing care for disabled people.

Today Haughey's daughter Eimear Mulhern said she remembers meeting Savile, and admits being star-struck.

"He was very, very famous at that time, presenting Top Of The Pops and everything, and it was rare to see somebody so well known in Dublin," Eimear said.

Savile is believed to have visited Dublin for 15 years from the mid-1970s to lead charity walks for the CRC.

"I don't think it was in the house I met him. I don't remember him being in the house but I'm sure it's possible he was," Eimear explained.
...
(...Jimmy Saville and Lady Valerie Goulding called every year...)
...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-391435/My-life-Charles-Haughey-woman-knew-best.html
My life with Charles Haughey: by the woman who 'knew him best'
19 June 2006

Searingly honest and highly revealing...Terry Keane, the mistress of former Irish Prime Minister Charles Haughey, gave an intimate exclusive interview to the Ireland on Sunday. Her condition...to only publish it after his death:

"I was invited as the fashion writer for the Irish Press and went with the architect, Sam Stephenson, and his (then) wife, Bernie. After the event, we were invited upstairs to join Charlie, who was very friendly with them. The moment I walked into the room, into Charlie's aura, I was hypnotised.

"He had the most striking blue eyes, the most magnetic mouth. My first impression was - my God, Marlon Brando!"

"Although I was married at the time (to former chief justice Ronan Keane), I was instantly smitten.

"Nothing happened that night but clearly it was destined to, because, a few nights later, we met again, entirely by chance, at a nightclub called Elizabeth's, which was the first sophisticated nightclub in Dublin.

"Charlie arrived with a group from the Central Remedial Clinic - he was involved in fundraising for it - and we all ended up having dinner together. Charlie was seated opposite me and we clashed instantly. Not aggressively, but sparks flew, we began to fence verbally - I didn't know at the time there was nothing he loved more than a good hot debate with lots of thrust and parry.

"Suddenly, he asked me to dance. I was so astonished I must have been literally carried away because, when I next looked up, the nightclub was empty, everyone had gone home without our even noticing. We had no idea that we'd been dancing for hours, talking and lost to the world. Next thing, he asked me to have dinner with him the following day - in London! The element of surprise was always one of his favourite tactics.

"Naturally, I refused, having heard of his womanising reputation, but I did give him my phone number."
...

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/i-wish-i-had-written-this-story-of-comiskeys-rape-threat-against-me-11-years-ago-maybe-it-could-have-saved-a-child-from-the-horror-of-ferns-25963745.html

'I wish I had written this story of Comiskey's rape threat against me 11 years ago. Maybe it could have saved a child from the horror of Ferns'
29 October 2005

For the rest of that week after the bishop threatened to rape me, he phoned me in the office every day, sometimes twice a day. His morning calls were usually softer-voiced and pathetic. By the afternoon, they had grown harsher, more rambling, less coherent and more disturbing. I could measure the progress of his intoxication on the phone each day.

The more he phoned, the more I felt he was establishing a macabre bond between us. Each time I heard his voice, I felt panicky. In one morning call, he turned the tables by implying that I was the one guilty of causing him injury, or planning it. He mentioned the name of a prominent businessman in Dublin, whom I knew to be a friend of his, and said this man had warned him that I was "a dangerous journalist", not to be trusted.

Straight after that call, I contacted the businessman, wanting to know if this was true. He replied in a letter hand-delivered to the Irish Independent office the same day, denying that any such conversation had taken place and asking rhetorically how, as he had never met me, he could have formed an opinion of me.

The last time the bishop rang, he apologised. He had asked in one of his earlier calls if it was true that he had made a specific threat of violence against me and what, precisely, was that threat. Spelling out to a drunk prince of the Church on the phone that he had threatened to rape me was not only surreal, it felt like the second-worst kind of enforced intimacy. Now this last time he called, he sounded exhausted and sober. He said he could not remember saying it but, "if I did, I'm sorry".

The following morning, my bland interview with Bishop Brendan Comiskey was published in the Irish Independent, depicting him, to my shame, as a compassionate and fearless rebel in the crusty conference of bishops. I never heard from him again.

Before the second week of April 1994, the information I had about the Bishop of Ferns was scanty. I knew he was friendly with Charlie Haughey because I had included his name among regular guests at Abbeville :eek: in a feature profile I had written of the former Taoiseach.

I was aware that he was regarded as a modern, quotable bishop. I heard stories about him being carried out of a Dublin restaurant, too drunk to walk and collapsing with drink on a church altar; but I am not sure if these stories surfaced before or after my encounter with him. I remember, having re-read it in a newspaper archive this week, that he had warned in 1992 that he would sue any paper spreading unfounded sexual allegations against him.

Last Wednesday, I read Mr Justice Murphy's report of the Ferns Inquiry. I wanted, in particular, to find out what had happened to the teenage girl who had allegedly been sexually interfered with by the bishop in her own home.

Like some other journalists, I have known about this incident for many years but could never write it because the girl and her family did not want the publicity. I have always felt that the story of appalling tragedy that befell that family must be told some day.

The Murphy Report records that the girl's parents complained to the South Eastern Health Board in 1990 of the bishop's behaviour towards their daughter, but it was not reported to the Garda because the girl was over 16 (even though George Birmingham, in his ground-laying Ferns inquiry, set the age ceiling for child abuse at 18) and she insisted it remain private.

The bishop, who had been drinking at the time of the reported incident, told the Murphy Inquiry he had no memory of it and denied the allegation.
....
I wish it had happened to another journalist; somebody else who would have had to face the choice of telling the whole story and being known thereafter as "the woman the bishop threatened to rape", or continuing the silence, thereby perpetuating the cover-up.

I asked advice from 'a contact' in Ferns, whom I consider a wise friend. He replied: "Newspaper people spend all their time delving into other people's lives but they are very protective of their own lives. That's all I will say."

I knew in my heart that I had no right to hope that the woman allegedly molested by the bishop when she was a child would someday tell her story as long as I still kept mine secret . . .

The fateful meeting happened a week after Easter, the Christian festival of hope and new beginnings, in 1994. The Bishop of Ferns had claimed on his local radio station the previous Saturday that a "tiny elite in Irish society" was "working for anarchy". He said there were "about 20 people running the country . . . Basically, they are people in control of the media."

______
more: Welshwitch's great post from earlier on this subject, that I didn't find until after I wrote this post, lol. Figures.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061325090&postcount=51229

troyhand
12-06-2013, 08:52 AM
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056854615&page=4

Just found this thread. Haven't seen this pic before

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/JSTimline/1970savileandpcharles.png

bellahunter
12-06-2013, 10:09 AM
I wish people wouldn't be critical or judgmental about what people post. When dedicated, caring people put so much effort into research, posting etc, it hurts when their efforts are criticized. The end result is that the poster feels disinclined to post.

We want to see this evil end asap, and so we want to welcome and support these great posters in getting as much valuable info out to the people. And each of us have our own unique contribution to make.

People have different ways of communicating info, some people are brief, some lengthy & detailed , some visual, some literal, some humorous, etc and they all keep the thread flowing.

If one line is featured for awhile that's ok, sometimes posters are taking a break and no one is posting anything else, soon enough, another revelation will be revealed and the thread will take off in another direction. But they all point to the same end, which is to end this horror.

Whenever I get upset about thread- related issues, I think of all those poor, innocent suffering children, and how I must do something to help.

Practical suggestions: If someone has a question, concern about what someone is posting, it might be better if it was discussed via pm, at least initially.

It is a good idea to take a break from posting when needed. It is vital, - what we have to view & contemplate, is horrific and emotionally disturbing material and very upsetting. Also, occasional humor serves the same function, I think. We need these to stay strong and healthy so that we can combat this evil as quickly as possible.

I think everyone is doing an amazing job and I thank you all for your incredible, invaluable and unique contributions:)

I'm having abit of a break for health reasons . Every time I go away I am Ill.

I'm looking into orgonite. Coming at the problem from a different direction.

Will still pop in a Nd read etc but must get well first. I've ruined every break we've had this year with health problems. :-)

casey_lu
12-06-2013, 10:23 AM
Leah McGrath Goodman back in London. This video is on John Hemming MP's blog dated yesterday. He mentions now it is know that Savile was at HDLG, which it wasn't last time she was there. Let's hope Leah can get some justice for the poor kids who were abused & murdered there. Sadly TPTB have had a long time to 'try to' cover everything up in her absence.
http://johnhemming.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/banned-journalists-leah-mcgrath-goodman.html

So sorry to hear of health problems Bh. hope you can sort it quickly. We must all be under a lot of stress dealing with the vile stuff on here and that is without the challenges of daily life. Hugs.

thentherewere4
12-06-2013, 10:26 AM
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/3918/conews.jpg

Latest company director news now available for the North London firm.

goodness
12-06-2013, 10:43 AM
https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/rawro-investments/

by chris46 | June 7, 2013 · 1:15 pm
↓ Jump to Comments
RAWRO INVESTMENTS

Hi Bishop.

You’re spot on HERE mate. We tried unsuccessfully for years to get a proper investigation of these people.

Just for clarity, we identified John Rowe as being Rhinehart/Rowe’s brother. John Rowe ran the video conference/sauna suite at EGH, which was really a cipher for child porn. If you look at receipts I got from Carole Kasir, it shows the large sums of money that this facility was generating! Enough for Carole to send her daughter to a private boarding school and fund quite extravagant life style. You are also right about Jones, he was personally involved with running Rawro’s “Night Sauna” in the West End, the subject of the other advert placed in Capital Gay (see Rawro letter). This was a well known place for punters to pick up rentboys,most of whom would have been underage at the time! Our own investigations had identified boys as young as 12 being pimped out there.

Nice work mate! Keep it up!

goodness
12-06-2013, 10:50 AM
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056854615&page=4

Just found this thread. Haven't seen this pic before

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/JSTimline/1970savileandpcharles.png

Hi Troyhand,

That photo has been posted before. It seems to be one of, if not the earliest, photos of Charles w/Savile. They go way back and it shows that even back then, Savile is very comfortable and familiar with Charles. The photo says it was taken in the Yorkshire Post Press room 1970 - might be worth investigating for what occasion.

goodness
12-06-2013, 11:06 AM
Leah McGrath Goodman back in London. This video is on John Hemming MP's blog dated yesterday. He mentions now it is know that Savile was at HDLG, which it wasn't last time she was there. Let's hope Leah can get some justice for the poor kids who were abused & murdered there. Sadly TPTB have had a long time to 'try to' cover everything up in her absence.
http://johnhemming.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/banned-journalists-leah-mcgrath-goodman.html



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bIgB2YCEABs/UFectfRqprI/AAAAAAAAAHg/n-SFv2KfyT0/s1600/leah+mcgrath+goodman+bw.jpg

Leah Goodman Trying to Investigate HDLG

Leah Goodman

She has had people look to find out how many other journalists have been banned from the UK. In the past 10 years she has not found one case.

There remain a number of issues to be sorted out relating to how she got banned and the delays in giving her a visa. Liberty (the NCCL) also seemed particularly complacent about her being banned. They showed no interest in the issue at all.

Oddly enough the immigration department promised a response, but have not produced it.

goodness
12-06-2013, 11:30 AM
For those new to the thread this video by Bill Maloney, is must watch viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq6lJsBz9UY

Sun, Sea & Satan

goodness
12-06-2013, 12:08 PM
There remain a number of issues to be sorted out relating to how she got banned and the delays in giving her a visa. Liberty (the NCCL) also seemed particularly complacent about her being banned. They showed no interest in the issue at all.


Liberty - the civil liberties group that was not helpful in getting journalist Leah Goodman to investigate HDLG



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_%28pressure_group%29

Liberty is a pressure group based in the United Kingdom. Its formal name is the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL).[1] Founded in 1934 by Ronald Kidd and Sylvia Crowther-Smith (later Scaffardi),[2] Liberty campaigns to protect civil liberties and promote human rights - through the courts, in Parliament and in the wider community. It does this through a combination of public campaigning, test case litigation, parliamentary lobbying, policy analysis and the provision of free advice and information. The aim is to not only protect civil liberties but also to engender a 'rights culture' within British society.[2]

Current director of Liberty is Shami Chakrabarti who took the role in September 2003.

Near the end of 1974, Patricia Hewitt, later Labour Party Health Secretary, was appointed as General Secretary.[7] A number of other future high profile Labour politicians worked at the organisation at this time, such as Harriet Harman, who worked as the legal officer from 1978–82, and Jack Dromey, later her husband.

Paedophilia

In 1976, the NCCL in a submission to the Criminal Law Revision Committee of the British Parliament argued that "Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage… The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage".[12] Organisations such as Paedophile Information Exchange (P.I.E.), a pro-paedophile activist group, and Paedophile Action for Liberation became affiliated to the pressure group.[13] These groups were later excluded from the organisation[citation needed].

goodness
12-06-2013, 12:15 PM
http://www.1010global.org/sites/default/files/uploads/10/images/ShamiChakrabarti.jpg
Shami Chakrabarti

Current director of Liberty is Shami Chakrabarti who took the role in September 2003.


http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/policy/liberty-fringe-events-2012.php

Labour Party Conference


Watch a video of the Labour Party Liberty fringe event 'Equality Under the Law?'. Panel speakers were Rt Hon Sadiq Khan MP (Shadow Justice Secretary), Kevin Maguire (Associate Editor, Daily Mirror) Emily Thornberry MP (Shadow Attorney General), Rt Hon Keith Vaz MP (Chair of Home Affairs Select Committee). Chaired by Shami Chakrabarti, Director of Liberty.


http://theneedleblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/vaz.jpg?w=266&h=309
Vaz

goodness
12-06-2013, 01:05 PM
Liberty - NCCL

A number of other future high profile Labour politicians worked at the Liberty organisation at this time, such as Harriet Harman, who worked as the legal officer from 1978–82, and Jack Dromey, later her husband.



http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02371/SavileHarman_2371368b.jpg

Jimmy Savile: Labour faces embarrassment over former child sex claims
Labour faces embarrassment over its calls for a wide-ranging inquiry into Jimmy Savile as senior party figures have previously called for the relaxation of child sex laws.



She was a leading light in the pressure group now known as Liberty, which advocated the lowering of the age of consent to 14.

The organisation, then run by the Health Secretary under Tony Blair, Patricia Hewitt, even counted among its affiliates a number of extreme pro-paedophilia groups whose leaders were later jailed.

It means that any independent public inquiry into the culture that allowed Savile to abuse children for so long with impunity, could end up looking into the radical left-wing demands for the liberalisation of child sex laws that were made in the 1970s.

NCCL complained to the press watchdog about their treatment by tabloid newspapers and in one article admitted it had “plenty of contact” with PIE, and argued that children are harmed by having to go to police and courts after a “mutual relationship with an adult”.

In 1976 the NCCL submitted a response to the Government’s plans to reform sex laws that was dubbed a Lolita’s Charter as it claimed “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult result in no identifiable damage”.

The organisation said that children as young as 14 should be able to consent to sex, to reduce the “harmful effects of the present laws”.

It went on to say it is “logical” for the age of consent to be abolished but “we fear” it would not be “politically possible”.

Miss Harman, then a newly qualified solicitor, joined the group as legal officer two years later.

In April 1978 she wrote the NCCL’s response to the Protection of Children Bill, which was put before Parliament in order to tighten the laws on child pornography by banning indecent images of under-16s.

It claimed that the new law could lead to “damaging and absurd prosecutions” and “increase censorship”.

She suggested that pornographic photographs or films of children should not be considered indecent unless it could be shown that the subject had suffered, and that prosecutors would have to prove harm rather than defendants having to justify themselves.

The NCCL's submission stated: “Although this harm may be of a somewhat speculative nature, where participation falls short of physical assault, it is none-the-less justifiable to restrain activities by photographer which involve placing children under the age of 14 (or, arguably, 16) in sexual situations.

“We suggest that the term 'indecent’ be qualified as follows: – A photograph or film shall not for this purpose be considered indecent (a) by reason only that the model is in a state of undress (whether complete or partial); (b) unless it is proved or is to be inferred from the photograph or film that the making of the photograph or film might reasonably be expected to have caused the model physical harm or pronounced psychological or emotional disorder.”

It added: “Our amendment places the onus of proof on the prosecution to show that the child was actually harmed.”

Miss Harman left NCCL in 1982 when she was elected MP for Camberwell and Peckham, by which time several members of PIE had been jailed for conspiracy to corrupt public morals.








Harriet Ruth Harman (born 30 July 1950) is a British Labour Party politician who has been a Member of Parliament (MP) since 1982




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9614516/Jimmy-Savile-Labour-faces-embarrassment-over-former-child-sex-claims.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_%28pressure_group%29

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 01:18 PM
From the NEW YORK POST

Among the bombshell findings:

* A DS agent was called off a case against US Ambassador to Belgium Howard Gutman over claims that he solicited prostitutes, including minors.

“The agent began his investigation and had determined that the ambassador routinely ditched his protective security detail in order to solicit sexual favors from both prostitutes and minor children,” says the memo.

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/national/hillary_sorry_state_of_affairs_YVapkHqM3mz6CVjehZO h7K#axzz2Vtt7dK6R

Also covered in the German Press by Der Spiegel.

Edging closer to Brussels/EU - paedo networks across Europe?

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 01:47 PM
Michael Gove: A Paedophile’s Unwitting Friend?


http://davidhencke.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/michael_gove.jpg?w=450

MICHAEL GOVE

Put simply he has written to Cheryl Gillan, the ex-minister and Tory MP for nearby Chesham and Amersham, saying that he is against mandatory reporting of allegations to the specific local officer because it could ” swamp ” officialdom ” with every incident reported”. He says : ” schools should be trusted to make their own professional judgement ” to report the matter.

This statement is extraordinary for two reasons. Why does Gove think authorities are going to be swamped? Does he think they are loads of kids in the nation’s schools waiting to accuse their teachers of sexual abuse? Or does he suspect, as the abused tell us, that this much more widespread than we realise and he frankly doesn’t want to know?

http://alternative-news-network.net/michael-gove-a-paedophiles-unwitting-friend/

Yet more indication that the Government KNOWS the scale of the problem - and does not intend to confront, solve or eradicate the root causes.

Too useful a tool for control purposes?

Too big a money spinner?

Too useful for blackmail?

Are they all closet paedophiles?

There must be an explanation. Wonder WHY they can't provide one?

goodness
12-06-2013, 01:58 PM
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article363069.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/EA09681B-CBAB-AB25-C49FAE22DDDE3B1A.jpg
Damien Green

What kind of hidden & incriminating info were they looking for and what did they find?


On 18 April 2009, Damian Green claimed that arresting officers had searched his computer documents and emails for key words "Shami Chakrabarti",

Green's constituency and House of Commons offices were searched in addition to his London and Ashford homes, with police removing official documents and bank statements, computer hard drive and mobile telephone, and searching personal items such as love letters written to his wife some twenty years earlier.[7]


The arrest was criticised by political figures including Conservative Leader David Cameron, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg and veteran left-wing Labour politician Tony Benn. The Prime Minister Gordon Brown made no comment over the arrest other than to say it was a police matter.[7] The Director of the UK human rights organisation Liberty, Shami Chakrabarti, wrote in The Sunday Times an article highly critical of the arrest and search of Green's offices.[14] The Leader of the House of Commons, Harriet Harman, has also expressed her concern, and Justice Secretary Jack Straw was said to be 'surprised' by the arrest of which he knew nothing.[15]


http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Elinor+Goodman+Shami+Chakrabarti+Lord+Justice+sxYo F-5jcWAx.jpg

Shami Chakrabarti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Green

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 02:22 PM
GUTMAN UNDERAGE PROSTITUTION SCANDAL IS ALL OVER INTERNATIONAL PRESS

EXCEPT

UK PRESS:rolleyes:

http://www.rtl.be/videos/video/447804.aspx

http://www.lesoir.be/260778/article/actualite/fil-info/fil-info-monde/2013-06-12/affaire-howard-gutman-pas-d-enquete-ouverte

http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/news/130612_VRTGutman

U.S. Ambassador Accused of Soliciting Minors: Top 10 Facts You Need to Know

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/06/ambassador-howard-gutman-scandal-hillary-clinton/

goodness
12-06-2013, 02:29 PM
@ WW GUTMAN UNDERAGE PROSTITUTION SCANDAL IS ALL OVER INTERNATIONAL PRESS

EXCEPT

UK PRESS


Very Telling. Suppression and cover-up by the media, who are owned, operated and controlled by this sick twisted elite. Business as usual.

sweetcheeks
12-06-2013, 02:31 PM
Bringing this across from another thread as feel it also has a place here. Thank you Amoriarty.

Quote:
Montague Keen . 9 June 2013

Continue to be strong, my dear, knowing that our plans will come to fruition. Occasionally, an attack gets through. Remember, it is nothing like it was when I first passed over. We are protecting you. There is a shield around you. You know at a soul level that we will succeed. You are seeing how those who want to destroy life as you know it, are being challenged by those of the light. The meeting of the cabal [in Watford, England], which they tried to keep secret, is being openly challenged by the irrepressible DAVID ICKE. What you are seeing is the dark (hidden behind locked doors); and the light, led by David, openly celebrating the coming together of the awakened masses. Even those who are paid to protect the cabal must be questioning themselves as to why, what this cabal does, is hidden and in secret, and is not reported by the media. Now, this shows you clearly that the cabal controls the media. They control the content of the news worldwide. You are only told what they allow you to know.

Who gave these people the right to decide the future of mankind? You must wake up to the subliminal control of your minds. Become who you are, and take back your power and your planet. These Archons have used every trick in the book to lull you into a false sense of security, and to persuade you to obey all their laws that have removed all freedom from you. You sleep-walked into this situation. Are you now just going to sit back and allow them to CULL THE POPULATION, and to create prisons for the rest of you, so that you can serve them.

You are Spirit and you are capable of so much more, if only you could put your minds to it. They have picked off every country that has tried to be independent and go it alone. They are getting quite desperate to bring Iran under their control. But the Iranian people will not play their game and give them an excuse to invade.

Keep calm ! You have witnessed what they have done in other countries all around you. You must not fall into the same trap as they did. Be strong. The cabal is watching all its plans being made public. They can no longer hide. They now find themselves fighting for their own existence, so they will take desperate measures to protect what they regard as their own.

THEY PLAN TO ATTACK ALL COMPUTERS ON THE 21ST JUNE. So, be wise, and have a rest day. Do not use your computers on that day. They know they were exposed by means of the internet, so now they want to destroy it.

Research the Archons and learn how they operate through mind control. You must be awake and alert. Come together as you have done with David Icke, this weekend, and show that you will not just stand by, and allow this take-over to happen. You are now fighting for your very existence. Stand up and be counted. By sitting back and doing nothing, you are allowing the cabal to destroy you and your planet.

Together, you are strong. The cabal controls everything: food, water, air, and the weather. But your souls are still FREE. So go into your hearts and souls. Then you will find the strength to prevent what the cabal has in store for you. They are not human, as you are. They are arch manipulators of minds and they can appear as anything they wish.

Since I passed to spirit, I constantly remind you that NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS. This is so important for you to remember. You have trusted the wrong people and you have suffered for it.

The Vatican is now trying to survive as the rats leave the sinking ship. It is being exposed as the seat of evil that secretly controls your world. This is the game it plays; creating many religions and causing wars which destroy the lives of innocent children. It does this by creating FEAR. Now, it is itself in fear, as it fights for its existence. They, too, find themselves exposed and vulnerable. The light has to expose all the darkness so that you can be free.

The light of truth is spreading her wings across your world. Country after country is waking up and seeing what is being done to keep you docile and in control. When you fully understand that when you stand together as one humanity - all one - with no divisions of class, state or religion, then you will be free, as in ancient times. This was before Rome set out to create the empire in which you now live (though they do not admit that this is what they have done). The God they serve, bears no resemblance to the God of Love, who now awaits you. You have been cruelly deceived by those you trusted. Those who preach hell, fire and damnation, are lying to you. It is all part of the plot to keep you in fear and under control.

Do not be frightened of death. It is a beautiful experience. A returning home to where you belong, with those you have loved, waiting to welcome you back. It was a heartless thing to do, to make people fearful of dying. Life on Earth is but a journey of exploration which you chose to make, sometimes to learn and expand, and sometimes to bring about changes that are necessary for humanity to survive. Earth is a beautiful planet and it needs your protection. The cabal isolated the Earth from its sister planets which eagerly await its return.

Think with your hearts. Logic is what you were taught by the cabal, to prevent you from going into your hearts and seeing things as they really are, not as the cabal tells you they are. When operating from the heart, man would never kill another man or destroy countries just because they are different. You are encouraged to see others as less than you. But no one is better than anyone else; different, perhaps, but never better or less. The cabal sees all of you as FOOD.

Protect and preserve your sacred places. Value them, love and respect them, for they are an important part of your future. The cabal has tried to block the sacred energy of these places. This energy is still contained within them, and when you release it, you will see it changing your world, and all will become peaceful.

You are on Earth at this time to bring this about. It is your mission and you will succeed. You will then cease to be the robots - there, only to serve the cabal - and you will become loving, thinking, caring human beings, working together to restore your planet. The cabal has not managed to prevent the pole shift, though they did try, as it exposes the lies they have produced in order to make life difficult and costly for you. They are having to learn that it is not in their power to control everything, no matter how they try. In serving them, you are guilty of a crime against humanity. Think about that for a moment. Can you live with that ?

With love in your hearts, join your fellow man, in restoring your planet. When the cabal sees man coming together, it will realize that its game is over, and those within it, will leave your planet, never to return. So this is their last ditch attempt at a complete take-over with their New World Order. Look at them: they are parasites, living off of you. Is this what you want?

They cannot exist on Earth without you. Now, see who is really in control and wake up to this fact. Love, and love alone, will win the day. When you come together in love and harmony, nothing on Earth can stop you.

Veronica, my dear, we can show the way, but it is a matter of choice whether
people see the light, join together and move forward to a better way
of life for all.

Always, your adoring, Monty.

Website: The Montague Keen Foundation


http://lightworkers.org/channeling/1...ge-june-9-2013

goodness
12-06-2013, 02:45 PM
Thanks for the post Sweetcheeks.


Love, and love alone, will win the day. When you come together in love and harmony, nothing on Earth can stop you.

http://lightworkers.org/channeling/1...ge-june-9-2013

vinnievega
12-06-2013, 03:01 PM
I wish people wouldn't be critical or judgmental about what people post. When dedicated, caring people put so much effort into research, posting etc, it hurts when their efforts are criticized. The end result is that the poster feels disinclined to post.

We want to see this evil end asap, and so we want to welcome and support these great posters in getting as much valuable info out to the people. And each of us have our own unique contribution to make.

People have different ways of communicating info, some people are brief, some lengthy & detailed , some visual, some literal, some humorous, etc and they all keep the thread flowing.

If one line is featured for awhile that's ok, sometimes posters are taking a break and no one is posting anything else, soon enough, another revelation will be revealed and the thread will take off in another direction. But they all point to the same end, which is to end this horror.

Whenever I get upset about thread- related issues, I think of all those poor, innocent suffering children, and how I must do something to help.

Practical suggestions: If someone has a question, concern about what someone is posting, it might be better if it was discussed via pm, at least initially.

It is a good idea to take a break from posting when needed. It is vital, - what we have to view & contemplate, is horrific and emotionally disturbing material and very upsetting. Also, occasional humor serves the same function, I think. We need these to stay strong and healthy so that we can combat this evil as quickly as possible.

I think everyone is doing an amazing job and I thank you all for your incredible, invaluable and unique contributions:)

Good points, no matter what, realize that everybody's dedicated to exposing these atrocities and that results in a unique positive vibe on this thread. To some posters, don't take some of the constructive criticism that is outed too personal because it's meant well, you're all doing amazing jobs.

electric sheep
12-06-2013, 03:09 PM
Interesting stuff sweetcheeks. Took particular note of this :eek:


THEY PLAN TO ATTACK ALL COMPUTERS ON THE 21ST JUNE. So, be wise, and have a rest day. Do not use your computers on that day. They know they were exposed by means of the internet, so now they want to destroy it.

That's very worrying.

bossman10
12-06-2013, 03:22 PM
Excellent job on the timeline disco!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247688

.............................................

The Everybody Knows video gets pulled on youtube, can only do it with no sound, so if anybody else has got anywhere else they can upload it please pm me;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3vXcPBfpwg

And that picture of nazi phil is evil, what a feckin lizard!

Good to see some old posters returning, welcome back,
I'm still catching up and although not posting lately I'm reading all.


You could try renaming the video then uploading it again. The video is probably marked as banned in its current form. If that doesn't work then another idea would be to edit it and add/remove something to change it's size, even if it is just one character.

Another idea would be to use vimeo.com but it wouldn't get the same amount of coverage that youtube offers.

Hope it helps.

oonalu
12-06-2013, 03:54 PM
More than 7,000 subscribers to the site were British citizens. Their names, addresses and credit card information were provided by the FBI to British authorities, who launched an investigation paralleling Operation Avalanche that was dubbed Operation Ore. As in America, only a few of the known offenders have thus far been arrested. Included among those questioned by police have been television personality Matthew Kelly and legendary guitarist Pete Townshend.

Rushing to Townshend’s defense was The Nation columnist Alexander Cockburn, who earlier played a prominent role in denouncing the McMartin prosecutions. In a posting on his Counterpunch website from February 2003, Cockburn grossly misrepresented the nature of the charges against Townshend. He charged that, according to the Supreme Court, “’porn’ encompass[es] even clothed images of children if they are construed as arousing. ‘Child’ means anyone under 18.” Cockburn labeled Townshend’s arrest “absurd,” and claimed that if you “have a photo of a kid in a bath on your hard drive, and the prosecutor says you were looking at it with lust in your heart, [then] that is tantamount to sexually molesting an actual kid in an actual bath.”

Cockburn was clearly trying to convey the impression that Townshend and others are the innocent victims of overzealous prosecutors. It will be recalled, however, that the images that the Landslide website was offering to Townshend and other subscribers were images of “the torture, rape and sexual abuse of children as young as two.” Those are not the types of images that would easily be mistaken for innocent pictures of a child taking a bath.



http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-ConspiracyTheory&NWO/+Doc-ConspiracyTheory-NWO&Pedophilia&Homosexuality/PedophocracyPart1.htm





Any researchers on here want to go there :rolleyes:

goodness
12-06-2013, 04:12 PM
@Oonalu


http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Othe...cracyPart1.htm

More than 7,000 subscribers to the site were British citizens. Their names, addresses and credit card information were provided by the FBI to British authorities, who launched an investigation paralleling Operation Avalanche that was dubbed Operation Ore. As in America, only a few of the known offenders have thus far been arrested. Included among those questioned by police have been television personality Matthew Kelly and legendary guitarist Pete Townshend.



http://sparksunderland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Legally-Blonde-photos-001-1-300x191.jpg

Matthew Kelly

On 15 January 2003, Kelly was arrested by Surrey Police over allegations that he had sexually abused teenage boys.[4]

Television presenter Matthew Kelly has thanked the public for its support after being arrested and bailed on child sex abuse allegations.
....is currently performing in Peter Pan.





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-155222/TV-host-Kelly-thanks-public-support.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Kelly

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-ConspiracyTheory&NWO/+Doc-ConspiracyTheory-NWO&Pedophilia&Homosexuality/PedophocracyPart1.htm

oonalu
12-06-2013, 04:16 PM
9217

oonalu
12-06-2013, 04:20 PM
9218

sweetcheeks
12-06-2013, 04:20 PM
This is on Gojam's Blog this evening and thought it might be of interest....

Tom Watson MP[B]
This is a fantastic opportunity to watch Tom Watson MP interviewed by Daily Mirror journalist Kevin Maguire. Operation Fernbridge and Operation Fairbank will certainly be on the agenda. The event is taking place at The Rose Theatre in Kingston on the 27th June and starts at 8pm and a ticket is only £10.

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/

Booked and going representing Team Anders, will report back anything relevant!

oonalu
12-06-2013, 04:22 PM
@Oonalu


http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Othe...cracyPart1.htm




http://sparksunderland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Legally-Blonde-photos-001-1-300x191.jpg

Matthew Kelly







http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-155222/TV-host-Kelly-thanks-public-support.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Kelly




http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-ConspiracyTheory&NWO/+Doc-ConspiracyTheory-NWO&Pedophilia&Homosexuality/PedophocracyPart1.htm






Perverts..... And I don't buy the research bit for one minute, am sure anyone one here would not want to view films or pictures of child porn in the name of research.

oonalu
12-06-2013, 04:24 PM
9219

goodness
12-06-2013, 04:25 PM
Booked and going representing Team Anders, will report back anything relevant!

Thanks Sweetcheeks!

bossman10
12-06-2013, 04:58 PM
Channel Five 11pm tonight


Crimes that shook the world.

Mark Dutroux

goodness
12-06-2013, 05:30 PM
Channel Five 11pm tonight


Crimes that shook the world.

Mark Dutroux

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-ConspiracyTheory&NWO/+Doc-ConspiracyTheory-NWO&Pedophilia&Homosexuality/PedophocracyPart1.htm


Background Info

From our comfortable seat in life … we never could have imagined that thousands of well-off adults, integrated and even cultured, find pleasure in seeing children tortured and killed.”

From a front-page editorial in Italy’s Corriere della Sera, reprinted in The Irish Times, September 29, 2000

http://www.sudinfo.be/sites/default/files/imagecache/pagallery_450x300/1367200443_B9784658Z.1_20130103085811_000_GAUEG0E5 .1-0.jpg

Mark Dutroux


To the vast majority of Americans, the name Marc Dutroux does not mean much. Drop that name in Belgium though and you are likely to elicit some very visceral reactions. Dutroux - convicted along with his wife in 1989 for the rape and violent abuse of five young girls, the youngest of whom was just eleven - now stands accused of being a key player in an international child prostitution and pornography ring whose practices included kidnapping, rape, sadistic torture, and murder.

Dutroux was sentenced in 1989 to thirteen years for his crimes, but was freed after having served just three. This was in spite of the fact that, as prison governor Yvan Stuaert would later tell a parliamentary commission: “A medical report described him as a perverse psychopath, an explosive mix. He was an evident danger to society.” The man who turned Dutroux loose on society, Justice Minister Melchior Wathelet, was rewarded with a prestigious appointment to serve as a judge at the European Court of Justice at The Hague.

Shortly after Dutroux’s release, young girls began to disappear in the vicinity of some of his homes. Though technically unemployed and drawing welfare from the state, he nevertheless owned at least six houses and lived quite lavishly. His rather lucrative income appears to have been derived from trading in child sex-slaves, child prostitution, and child pornography. Many of his houses appeared to stand vacant, though at least some of them were in fact used as torture and imprisonment centers where kidnapped girls were taken and held in underground dungeons. Some of Dutroux’s homes were used in this way for several years following his early release, with a growing body of evidence to indicate that fact to the police. Authorities nevertheless failed to act on the information, or acted on it in ways that implied either complete incompetence (according to most press reports), or police complicity in the operation (according to any sort of logic).

Officials seem to have routinely ignored tips that later proved accurate, including a report from Dutroux's own mother that her son was holding girls prisoner in one of his houses. In addition, key facts were withheld from investigators working on the disappearances and lines of communication were unaccountably broken, inexcusably hindering the investigation. Police did search one of Dutroux's homes on no less than three separate occasions over the course of the investigation. On at least two of those occasions, two of the missing girls were being held in heinous conditions, imprisoned in a custom-built dungeon in the basement. Nevertheless, according to the Guardian, the police searches came up empty – even though the investigating officers reported “hearing children’s voices on one occasion.”


On November 27, 2002, The Guardian reported that many among Portugal’s elite were linked to a pedophile ring as well: “A scandal over a paedophile ring run from a state orphanage gripped Portugal yesterday as it threatened to engulf diplomats, media personalities and senior politicians. Photographs of unnamed senior government officials with young boys from Lisbon’s Casa Pia orphanage were among the evidence reportedly available to police after they arrested a former orphanage employee called Carlos Silvino.” One revelation in the case was “that systematic sexual abuse of children at the home had allegedly been going on for more than 20 years and had been known to police and other authorities for most of that time.” Teresa Costa Macedo, a former secretary of state for families, has said that she sent a dossier to police twenty years ago containing “damning proof” of the abuse, including photographs and eyewitness statements. The information was not acted upon, and, for her trouble, Macedo became the victim of a campaign of threats and intimidation.

In June 2003, the Independent reported that police “at first denied her reports existed,” but then later produced them. Macedo has testified before parliament that the former president, Antonio Ramalho Eanes, the former foreign secretary, Jaime Garcia, and elements within the police all knew of the ongoing abuse. An official report claims that, “among the children still living at Casa Pia, at least 128 had been subjected to sexual abuse. Many are deaf and dumb.” Countless other victims have passed through the facility over the last thirty years. Among those detained or questioned in the case were Carlos Cruz, known in Portugal as “Mr. Television”; Manuel Abrantes, a former director of Casa Pia; Joao Ferreira Diniz, a doctor at Casa Pia; Jorge Ritto, a former ambassador to UNESCO; Hugo Marcal, Carlos Silvino’s former attorney; Eduardo Ferro Rodrigues, Portugal’s Socialist Party leader; television talk show host Herman Jose; and Paulo Pedroso, a former Labour minister.

strikeback
12-06-2013, 06:07 PM
There's a great new post on Aangirfan's blog today, "JIMMY SAVILE, CHILD MURDERERS, TOP PEOPLE". Lots of dot-joining, much of which has already been covered here, but there may be some new information or connections.

I'm posting the text, but its worth reading the original blog post as it has links and pictures included :-

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/jimmy-savile-child-murderers-top-people.html

JIMMY SAVILE, CHILD MURDERERS, TOP PEOPLE

The child murderers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley had powerful friends.

Ian Brady was befriended by Sir Jimmy Savile.

Myra Hindley was befriended by Lord David Astor, a former editor of the Observer, and by Lord Longford, a former cabinet minister who took a great interest in pornography.

Astor and Longford plotted to get Hindley released from prison.

Some people believe that Hindley has secretly been released from prison, although the official story is that she is dead.

Michael Horgan organised and filmed "satanic-themed orgies" at which children were raped.

Horgan organised satanic torture and child abuse orgies on Saddleworth Moor, where child killers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley had buried their victims.

Horgan's step-son Michael Roberts says he was only six when he was sexually abused by 29-stone Sir Cyril Smith.

Sir Cyril Smith was a close friend of Sir Jimmy Savile, friend of the Royal Family, the military and Israel.

'Moors Murderer' Ian Brady worked as an 'enforcer' for top Glasgow crime boss Arthur Thompson.

'Glasgow godfather' Thompson reportedly was selling guns to the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force).

He worked for MI5.

"They then told him he could pretty much start the drugs trade in Glasgow."

Arthur Thompson was an associate of the Kray twins.

The Kray twins reportedly ran a pedophile ring for top people.

Brady and Hindley's child killings took place in the North of England, near Manchester.

But, Ian Brady "implies he may have ... buried bodies at the Campsie Fells near Glasgow.

In his letters, Ian Brady "drops in the names of the Kray twins, Ronnie and Reggie, who terrorised London’s east end in the 1950s and 60s."

In the 1970s, Lord Longford, friend of Hindley, compiled a self-funded report into pornography.

Lord Longford invited Sir Jimmy Savile, the Bishop of Leicester and Cliff Richard to join him on a wide-ranging tour of sex industry establishments, including strip clubs in Copenhagen. (*MY EDIT - Gyles Brandreth was also a member of this tour party).

The Longford Report, in 1972, was a best-seller.

It contained a long account of sex and sadism in a boys' boarding school:

‘Sometimes the prefects did a lot of the whipping; at other times they made the third-year boys do it as well, or the second-year boys whip the first years and the first years whip each other.’

Moors Murderer Myra Hindley, 60, reportedly died in a hospital in 2002.

No family members attended her 'hasty' cremation service.

At the inquest there were no protesters, friends or relatives.

Her medical records were filed under a false name: Christine Charlton.

Her death certificate has never been published.

Reportedly:

"A primary school nurse was driving through a country lane about six weeks after Myra Hindley was supposedly pronounced dead. It was night time and the nurse’s car was suddenly hit in the back by another vehicle.

"The woman driver who hit her got out of her car and came to talk to the nurse.

"The woman burst into tears and replied 'you can’t say that, you can’t say that' and drove off hurriedly.

"The nurse however, noted the registration number of the car and upon returning home called the police. She recounted what had happened, telling them that it was 'Myra Hindley' at the wheel of the other car.

"The police visited the nurse the following day but rather than assist her with noting an accident, they scared and intimidated her.

"They asked her to withdraw the accident claim and report, and suggested instead that the incident had 'never happened'.

"The primary school nurse was just a normal, law-abiding person and by now she was very scared although still certain of her facts - that even though Myra Hindley was believed by the world to be dead - it had been her driving the car that had hit her.

"Regardless of her story, the police continued to intimidate the nurse and she was frightened into taking any further action.

"However, unknown to the police, the nurse had reported the incident to a friend of the family who had in turn passed it on to a school friend who was a local journalist.

"The journalist took the story to a major tabloid paper who was at first very interested but the following day told his fellow journalist that the story of Hindley being alive 'had to be buried'.

"Within a day or so, orders from 'the top' were given to publish a story on how the 'ashes of Myra Hindley had been found.'

"That story made all the papers in February 2003 and threw many off the scent. Now, to all intent and purposes, Hindley was proven to be dead because her ashes had been found on the very Moors where children had been killed.

"What is interesting is that the car incident happened six miles away from the residence of the priest that converted Myra Hindley to Catholicism and who later committed burial rites on her.

"What is further interesting is the location of a convent very close by. Is Myra Hindley in that convent living a clandestine life away from society?

"Not satisfied with the tale of ashes being discovered and believing the story of the nurse, the journalist called Lord Longford’s son and informed him that the ashes of Myra Hindley had been found. The journalist taped the conversation. The words from Longford’s son echoed in the journalists ears:

" 'If you believe that you believe anything' ".

According to Myra Hindley's diary, she and Ian Brady were regular visitors to the New Elizabethan Ballroom, in Manchester.

They attended at least one of the many sessions hosted by the resident DJ, Jimmy Savile.

"On Boxing Day, 1964, Brady and Hindley made an audio recording as they bound, gagged and photographed Lesley Ann Downey before they killed her."

Ian Brady became Jimmy Savile's friend.

Savile was also acquainted with Ronnie Kray and Peter Sutcliffe.

Peter Sutcliffe committing one of 'his' murders just opposite Jimmy Savile's penthouse in Leeds, and another in Savile Park in Halifax.

bossman10
12-06-2013, 06:11 PM
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-ConspiracyTheory&NWO/+Doc-ConspiracyTheory-NWO&Pedophilia&Homosexuality/PedophocracyPart1.htm


Background Info



http://www.sudinfo.be/sites/default/files/imagecache/pagallery_450x300/1367200443_B9784658Z.1_20130103085811_000_GAUEG0E5 .1-0.jpg

Mark Dutroux


I wonder how much of this information will be revealed in the program tonight.

Excellent article goodness, thank you.

56cheffy
12-06-2013, 06:13 PM
'In a show filled with young actors and brimming with energy, Matthew Kelly takes on the role as teacher in 'The History Boys'. Kelly plays Douglas Hector......so read on.

The action of the play takes place in Cutlers' Grammar School, Sheffield, a fictional boys' grammar school in the north of England. Set in the early 1980s, the play follows a group of history pupils preparing for the Oxford and Cambridge entrance examinations under the guidance of three teachers (Hector, Irwin and Lintott) with contrasting styles.
Hector, an eccentric teacher, delights in knowledge for its own sake, but the headmaster ambitiously wants the school to move up the academic league table; Irwin, a supply teacher, is hired to introduce a rather more cynical and ruthless style of teaching. Hector is discovered sexually fondling a boy and later Irwin's latent homosexual inclinations emerge.
The character of Hector was based on the schoolmaster and author Frank McEachran (1900–1975)

http://westend.broadwayworld.com/article/Matthew-Kelly-to-Star-in-Sheffields-THE-HISTORY-BOYS-from-May-16-20130307

oonalu
12-06-2013, 06:32 PM
9221




Could be related..... :D

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 06:36 PM
VERY interesting collection of old newspaper articles- featuring JIMMY SAVILE

http://www.network54.com/Forum/506171/thread/1357421292/last-1364845714/Jimmy+Savile+1980-1988

1980 - 1988 - THATCHER heyday years

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 06:45 PM
Savile & Grandma B ~ The Link

Let us now move on to the link with the Savile case.

Britain’s most notorious child abuser spent a good deal of his time in Yorkshire and is likely to have committed the most offences there over the period of at least 50 years he was active in the area. One of his bases was his penthouse flat in the Roundhay district of Leeds, where he held his “Friday Morning Club”, which was attended by senior police officers from both West and North Yorkshire Police.

http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/2013/06/11/savile-grandma-b-the-link/

casey_lu
12-06-2013, 06:49 PM
9221




Could be related..... :D

Oh my goodness, she obviously hadn't heard the rumours then! :)

goodness
12-06-2013, 06:58 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/S-F1000/FMF/SavileJ1982-3DExp04-21_zps7ad92063.jpg

Haven't seen this before.


:confused:




http://www.network54.com/Forum/506171/thread/1357421292/last-1364845714/Jimmy+Savile+1980-1988

troyhand
12-06-2013, 07:05 PM
9221

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9221&d=1371058342

Could be related..... :D

Austin Powers and his father? :rolleyes:

troyhand
12-06-2013, 07:14 PM
I'm having abit of a break for health reasons . Every time I go away I am Ill.

I'm looking into orgonite. Coming at the problem from a different direction.

Will still pop in a Nd read etc but must get well first. I've ruined every break we've had this year with health problems. :-)

I recommend getting into oil pulling, a structured water blender (e.g. Vitalizer Plus if you can afford it), Raw Honey/Cinnamon combined, Get your trace minerals, lots of superfoods. Rest, no TV, walking barefoot in nature (earthing), happy thoughts. Organite is great against electronic pollution. Hope you feel better.

strikeback
12-06-2013, 07:16 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/S-F1000/FMF/SavileJ1982-3DExp04-21_zps7ad92063.jpg

Haven't seen this before.


:confused:




http://www.network54.com/Forum/506171/thread/1357421292/last-1364845714/Jimmy+Savile+1980-1988

"Last summer it was announced that Britney Spears would be filming a video for Madonna's Sticky & Sweet tour. The video was for the performance of Madonna's 1994 hit "Human Nature". The song is basically a response to Madonna's critics after the huge backlash she received for her Sex book. It was fitting to have Britney Spears star in the updated video for the song considering she has been our current media target for the past couple of years.

Please ignore the annoying fans in the Youtube link above, LOL. Anyway, the concept is that Britney Spears is trapped in an elevator with seven cameras on her. Surveillance has been a common theme in Hollywood and the media this decade. Movies like Eagle Eye and Aeon Flux reminds us that we are always being watched.

The hoodie she wears in the video is very similar to the one she wore the night she shaved off all of her hair. I only mention this because that is around the time her mind control alter structure was breaking down. You can learn more about that here.

Madonna performs in her Masonic/Magicians Top Hat showing that she is running the show. On her guitar strap we see two skulls (Masonic/Satanic) and a Fleur-de-lis. The Fleur-de-lis is a French Monarch symbol. Fleur-de-lis is translated to "lily flower" and is sometimes referred to as the Madonna Flower (obviously not in reference to the pop star Madonna). The symbol was used by the Merovingians in France and it also symbolises the Babylonian god Nimrod (Arod? lol) and the name symbolises the bloodline of all royal houses that have ever been in Europe. Now tell me why that symbol is being used on a guitar strap at a pop concert?

So the Britney video is shown on the screen projections behind Madonna at every show. In the video Britney freaks out as she is trapped on an elevator. The elevator goes from floor to floor but Britney remains trapped and can't get out. The elevator symbol is used in pop culture a lot. It represents accessing compartments of the mind. Since Britney is stuck on the elevator she cannot access those compartments. By the way, if you want to read more about the elevator symbolism, they go into greater detail at this link. At the end of the video the elevator finally stabalizes and the doors open to reveal Britney smiling while she says her famous line "It's Britney, bitch". Why is she smiling? When you listen to the audio that line sounds anything but pleasant. You would think she would have a more defiant and fiesty facial expression. The word "smile" is a trigger word in MK Ultra and happy faces are constantly in symbolism."

SOURCE:- http://mkculture.blogspot.co.uk/2009_01_01_archive.html

A lift seems like a great place to trap someone for a spot of MK Ultra style programming.

Also reminds me of that movie produced by M. Night Shyamalan, DEVIL, about a group of strangers trapped in a lift with the Devil.

goodness
12-06-2013, 07:25 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/S-F1000/FMF/SavileJ1986DMir11-15_zpsed5d5367.jpg



Looks like Steve Wright & Savile worked on charidee (Children in Need) together.




http://imageshack.us/a/img96/6418/44374446.jpg

Steven Wright on left

electric sheep
12-06-2013, 08:02 PM
I'm having abit of a break for health reasons . Every time I go away I am Ill.

I'm looking into orgonite. Coming at the problem from a different direction.

Will still pop in a Nd read etc but must get well first. I've ruined every break we've had this year with health problems. :-)

Sending you good wishes for a speedy recovery bellahunter :) x

abrakebabra
12-06-2013, 08:03 PM
http://www.sudinfo.be/sites/default/files/imagecache/pagallery_450x300/1367200443_B9784658Z.1_20130103085811_000_GAUEG0E5 .1-0.jpg

Mark Dutroux

That vile creature going for the patented glasses and beard nonce look as he gets older I see :mad:

troyhand
12-06-2013, 08:08 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbuitenland%2F216 40310%2F__Sloop_huis_Dutroux_later__.html

De Telegraaf
Tue 11 Jun 2013, 14:52

Demolition horror house Dutroux later

BRUSSELS -
The house with the horror cellar kinderverkachter and murderer Marc Dutroux in Belgium Marcinelle will be demolished. But when it is impossible to know exactly.

Several Belgian newspapers reported Tuesday that the house by the end of this year would be demolished. But the city of Charleroi, who since 2010 owner of the house, denies this.

The city does have to have completed all procedures. Around the breakdown before the end of the year So there is still a tender for the demolition.

"It is currently impossible to provide for the work. Precise timing That makes sense because a timing for the start and duration of the work will not be known before the contract is awarded, "said Charleroi in a press release on their website.

In the 90s were Julie Lejeune, Melissa Russo, An Marchal and Eefje Lambrecks locked in the basement of the house. She died there. Sabine Dardenne and Laetitia Delhez, the latest victims of Dutroux could be freed alive. In 2004, Dutroux include convicted of kidnapping and rape of six, and murder of the first four.

Initially there was a blue tarp over the house drawn showing a child flying a kite plates. The intention was to break down the house as early as 2011 but the case was delayed. At the site of the house is a "green space" in memory of the victims.

Dutroux is serving his sentence in prison in Nivelles. In February, the man asked as public enemy number one in Belgium to book, with an ankle strap to be released early. That request was rejected. In the fall, Dutroux again (will be)sic asking for parole.

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 08:08 PM
Random word associations?

GUTMAN ..... PAEDOPHILES.............HELICOPTERS..............A UGUSTA WESTLAND..................DI RUPO................DUTROUX................BELGIUM ..........CORRUPTION.........BRIBERY


Elio di Rupo was cleared by the highest court in Belgium of allegations that he had sex with under-age boys.

At freerepublic, Alexandra Cohen, a member of the Belgian Parliament, wrote Pink Ballets & Protected Pornographers.

Among the points made:

Elio Di Rupo is "a promiscuous homosexual with a preference for adolescent boys."


Willy Claes was foreign minister of Belgium from 1992 until 1994, and secretary general of NATO from 1994 until 1995, when he resigned after the discovery of a bribe of over 50 million Belgian francs that was accepted during contract negotiations with Agusta helicopters during the time he was minister of economic affairs. For that he was convicted in 1998.

Di Rupo allegedly tried to cover up his party's links to the scandal

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/elio-di-rupo.html


I recall Elm and Westland and helicopters and paedophiles and MP's and scandal from somewhere *innocent face* Interesting dateline - 1994-95 - didn't Leon Brittan go to Brussels just after then - just after the WESTLAND HELICOPTER SCANDAL? Amazing how all these things were happening at the same time dontchafink?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Elio_Di_Rupo_and_Howard_Gutman%2C_Brussels_April_1 8%2C_2012.jpg/800px-Elio_Di_Rupo_and_Howard_Gutman%2C_Brussels_April_1 8%2C_2012.jpg

btw - That's Di Rupo on the left - and Gutman on the right. They seem to know one another and be happy.

Perhaps they have a lot in common?

edit

Nobody around the Place Fontainas has anything good to say about Oliver T. He must be one of them - that they admit. But they didn't know him. All they know is that by naming Elio Di Rupo, the Belgian deputy prime minister, as one of his "clients", this fellow prostitute has broken the strict code of silence which is enforced here on the street.

He has encouraged a backlash against gays in general and damaged the male prostitution business. Police patrols have increased, and Oliver T, who is revealed to be a waiter called Oliver Trusgnach,

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/gays-under-pressure-in-belgiums-moral-backlash-anger-over-child-murders-switches-to-belgiums-gays-1354281.html

Hiding in plain sight - again

troyhand
12-06-2013, 08:17 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkskrant.nl%2Fvk%2Fnl%2F2668% 2FBuitenland%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F3451849%2F2013%2 F06%2F03%2FZaak-Dutroux-uitgesteld-tot-7-oktober.dhtml

Volkskrank
03/06/13

Dutroux case was postponed to October 7

The thing about the potential for truer actual release of the Belgian child rapist and murderer Marc Dutroux has been postponed. The case will serve on October 7, reported the lawyer of Dutroux Monday.

Originally, the matter would be discussed Monday at the so-called sentencing court in Brussels. If a convicted in Belgium a third of his sentence has been served, it can ask for parole under certain conditions.

Dutroux was in 2004 and TBS for life including murder and kidnapping, torture and rape of underage girls. He is serving his sentence in the prison of Nivelles.

According to the counsel of Dutroux, the government has not complied with the necessary advice on time in the case. Hence, he asked for a postponement and received.

Anklet
Earlier this year, Dutroux had been asked to sit. His sentence with an ankle strap That request was rejected, partly because public enemy number one of Belgium no residence or work would have to release. These are important conditions.

The accomplice of Dutroux, Michel Lelièvre, Monday will be the special court. He would like a custom detention, so he can follow. Daytime training evenings he would sit back in the cell. Lelièvre received 25 years imprisonment. Lelièvre heard June 17 if he gets another form of detention.

Last summer was the ex-wife and accomplice of Dutroux, Michelle Martin, under conditions free. Her release led to significant protests. Martin staying in a convent near Namur.

troyhand
12-06-2013, 08:23 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnoticias.terra.cl%2Fmundo%2Fel-excomplice-de-dutroux-ha-pagado-solo-4-euros-a-las-victimas-segun-prensa%2C4f5f32132e9fe310VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD. html


The Dutroux excómplice paid only 4 euros to the victims, according to press
June 1, 2013 • 4:58

Michel Lelièvre, the excómplice the pederast and murderer Marc Dutroux, has paid in the 17 years he has been serving a prison sentence only 4 euros to the victims and families of the same, said the Belgian newspaper "Le Soir".

"It's a ridiculous amount," said Joris Vercraeye's lawyer Jean Lambrecks, father of Eefje, one of Dutroux's victims, the newspaper "Het Laatste Niews".

Michel Lelièvre must appear on Monday before the Court of Enforcement of Punishments (TAP) in Brussels, which will consider probation rule for him and Dutroux.

The issue of compensation for victims is one of the elements that the judges appreciate ensuring or reject the parole application of the two.

On February 4 which was regarded as public enemy number one in Belgium was presented to the TAP for him to be given an electronic bracelet, as was denied.

Dutroux, 56, is serving a life sentence for the kidnapping and rape of six girls and young people between 8 and 19 years, of which four were killed.

The pederast had applied mid-January to probation, but his request was rejected by the Belgian prison authorities.

On that occasion, the judges heard the arguments of Dutroux and his legal representatives, as well as the prison of Nivelles, where it is admitted, as a prosecutor and victims.

Dutroux, who was arrested 17 years ago, murdered girls Julie Lejeune, Melissa Russo, An Marchal and Eefje Lambrecks, besides also having raped and abducted two other girls more.

Lelièvre, sentenced to 25 years in prison for his collaboration with Dutroux in the kidnapping and murder of girls, also called a few months probation.

The excómplice Dutroux, who has converted to Protestantism in prison, tried to enter a convent to fulfill the last part of the sentence after the move would be granted before the pederast ex-wife, Michelle Martin.

achilles heel
12-06-2013, 08:30 PM
I know all that Discovery - promise ;)

My frustration was mainly at the lack of anyone helping you with posting a new thread. I asked on your behalf and no-one bothered to reply to me either. No point going into detail here but people have said they could do it but didn't mention it on the thread, or PM you - I find that frustrating.

I've also been frustrated because so much hard work has gone into so much and not been followed through, purely because of the nature of the thread. Now we can make threads of their own at will in the Child Abuse section (set up after much hassling of the mods by me and others - sorry mods but thank you!) with the 'Savile-related' tag. Not to replace stuff here, but to duplicate it there on the relevant thread, so that people can follow individual strands and investigations.

We all know what is at stake here so I get very angry with timewasters or people who just simply can't be bothered to do things properly. And I don't see why you brilliant researchers are working your fingers to the bone when you don't have the support systems in place that are so obviously needed. And that's just simple things like asking for help on how to post a thread and getting nothing back!

At the same time when pure research takes over completely here for days on end other posters are 'lost'. That's not a criticism, I'm just saying.

I'm done here, but that's not because of this (promise!). I've been saying it for a while. My desperate wish is to help the children right now, and I think my best energies to that end may be away from here, doing whatever I can.

Much love, much power to you all xxx

Sweetcheeks, I want to thank you so very much for your lightworkers post. I don't hope what is being said is true, I know it is. We, the human race, are so close to shaking off these chains. The numbers of people now thinking with their hearts (their real brain) and going with their gut feelings are increasing rapidly throughout the world. They can't stop us all. They are failing and they know it.

HangtheDJ, I know you will be reading this because this cause is so important to you. You and absolutely everyone who post on this thread are amazing souls and I feel privileged to know you all. We need to stay together. For all of us this battle didn't start with Jimmy Savile, I think we have all known things don't feel right for a very long time. Jimmy Savile and the scum he associated with are just part of the spider's web, but a very important part. He has lead us to the higher echelons and we are running with it. For me, Sweetcheeks post is so important. The cesspit we have been swimming in for many months now takes its toll and I think it is incredibly important and healing to be reminded of the more spiritual side of this very real battle. I would love to see more posts like it. Claydog knows where it is at as do you so please bring more to the table. It is my belief we have all chosen to be here at this time for a reason so let's stick together on this thread and kick some ass.:)

troyhand
12-06-2013, 08:31 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hna.de%2Fnachrichten%2Fpanorama %2Fmaedchenmoerder-dutroux-erneut-gericht-zr-2938604.html%3Fcmp%3Ddefrss

HNA Online
Wednesday, 12/06/2013

Girls killer Dutroux to court again in October

Brussels - The convicted murderer to life imprisonment Marc Dutroux girls fighting for his release. He is to appear in court again in the fall.

An originally planned for Wednesday hearing was on the 7th October moved. This was announced by his lawyer Pierre German with leaving the Brussels Palace of Justice, as the Belgian news agency Belga reported.

Court President Luc Hennart said German had requested the postponement because the documents had not yet been completed. A release is only possible on the basis of a detailed plan for rehabilitation.

If the application had been rejected once due to missing documents, he could be asked again after a period of up to 18 months, Hennart had explained at the weekend, according to Belga.

So that the court can rule on the application, Dutroux must submit a rehabilitation plan. Already in February, the 56-year-old had failed before the habeas chamber . At that time he wanted to replace the prison to house arrest, monitored by an electronic ankle bracelet.

Dutroux was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2004, because he had six girls and young women abducted, tortured and raped. Four of them died. His accomplice and ex-wife Michelle Martin was allowed to leave the prison last summer. now she lives in relative freedom in a monastery in the south of Belgium Malonne village.

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 08:31 PM
Why does Michael Gove prefer privileged Mandarins to poor children?

Second, has Mr Gove ever read the mountainsides of data showing that the biggest cause of paedophile escape is the reticence of victims to tell anyone, and the desire of institutions with school fees/careers to think about to cover it up? I’m thinking police, care homes and schools here, funnily enough.

Third, does he think Leon Brittan*, if brought to Court on historical charges of child abuse, would be found innocent? Does he deny that four senior Westminster MPs over the last twenty years have been outed as paedophiles buggering children that his precious, disgustingly corrupt legislature is there to protect? Does he think over 400 former Welsh care home victims are all lying? If so, then he is a conspiracy theorist far outstripping the dimensions of David Icke.

These clowns we elect are behind the music on every major issue: educational pc, multiculturalism, mass immigration, the EU – and now, influential paedophilic child trafficking. Now either Mr Gove knows this is going on and is a mendacious turd protecting his tribe based on the most appallingly anti-social motives; or he is an ignorant idiot. Whatever: this man is backing ever-so-humbly into position for the job of being our next Prime Minister. Does anyone with half a brain, after his two latest decisions, think he is qualified for the job?

* This name has not been changed to protect the allegedly guilty. It is there to name the wantonly unquestioned.

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/the-paedofile-now-gove-blocks-mandatory-sex-abuse-reporting-as-missing-care-home-children-numbers-rise-by-19/

oonalu
12-06-2013, 08:32 PM
9222




Another fan.... :rolleyes:

strikeback
12-06-2013, 08:42 PM
Random word associations?

GUTMAN ..... PAEDOPHILES.............HELICOPTERS..............A UGUSTA WESTLAND..................DI RUPO................DUTROUX................BELGIUM ..........CORRUPTION.........BRIBERY






http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/elio-di-rupo.html


I recall Elm and Westland and helicopters and paedophiles and MP's and scandal from somewhere *innocent face* Interesting dateline - 1994-95 - didn't Leon Brittan go to Brussels just after then - just after the WESTLAND HELICOPTER SCANDAL? Amazing how all these things were happening at the same time dontchafink?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Elio_Di_Rupo_and_Howard_Gutman%2C_Brussels_April_1 8%2C_2012.jpg/800px-Elio_Di_Rupo_and_Howard_Gutman%2C_Brussels_April_1 8%2C_2012.jpg

btw - That's Di Rupo on the left - and Gutman on the right. They seem to know one another and be happy.

Perhaps they have a lot in common?

edit

Nobody around the Place Fontainas has anything good to say about Oliver T. He must be one of them - that they admit. But they didn't know him. All they know is that by naming Elio Di Rupo, the Belgian deputy prime minister, as one of his "clients", this fellow prostitute has broken the strict code of silence which is enforced here on the street.

He has encouraged a backlash against gays in general and damaged the male prostitution business. Police patrols have increased, and Oliver T, who is revealed to be a waiter called Oliver Trusgnach,

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/gays-under-pressure-in-belgiums-moral-backlash-anger-over-child-murders-switches-to-belgiums-gays-1354281.html

Hiding in plain sight - again

José Manuel Barroso, President of the EC, shakes hands with Elio Di Rupo, Belgian Prime Minister :-

http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/photo/photoByReportage.cfm?ref=022882&sitelang=en

José Manuel Barroso alleged to be holding Madeline Mccann :-

http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/barroso-alleged-to-be-holding-madeleine.html

oonalu
12-06-2013, 08:43 PM
9224




Crucifix around kitty's neck.... When did he become born again ?

abrakebabra
12-06-2013, 08:45 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Elio_Di_Rupo_and_Howard_Gutman%2C_Brussels_April_1 8%2C_2012.jpg/800px-Elio_Di_Rupo_and_Howard_Gutman%2C_Brussels_April_1 8%2C_2012.jpg

btw - That's Di Rupo on the left - and Gutman on the right. They seem to know one another and be happy.

Perhaps they have a lot in common?

Well they look like perfectly upstanding, wholesome gentlemen :rolleyes:

And talking of former NATO Secretary Generals, what's "Lord" George Robertson up to these days...? He sure rose the ranks to lofty heights...must be his inherent talent and natural charm :rolleyes:

oonalu
12-06-2013, 08:53 PM
9226





Willy boy dot connections has enabled him to become a great statesman , bringing peace and stability to Syria.
Never fear Willy boy here, providing arms to anyone at a price ;)

oonalu
12-06-2013, 08:54 PM
9227

troyhand
12-06-2013, 08:58 PM
I can only follow so much. I have lived this thread since September, day and night, like it or not. I have read every single post at one time or another I promise you.

There is nothing I don't want on the thread other than sliding or shilling (have you read any of my posts?!).

Read my post again - I know just how important Spinks is. I am interested in getting him nailed in the best way possible (even though that particular branch of research is way out of my comfort zone) so have suggested some ways of doing that with a parallel thread running in tandem with this one where all the research can be gathered together and people can follow the evidence from start to finish.

My only point was that stuff is being seriously lost here, can't you see that? :confused:

I see this forum like a great big haystack full of needles hooked to threads. For new contributors, like myself, there's a lot of grasping for straws, in hope of finding a thread that will lead to the bigger picture and better understanding. This forum is an incredible teaching tool, in spite of its flaws. For the successful researchers, finding the needles in here is easy with keyword search. Taking the threads and finding a pattern is the hard part.

I've lost count on how many times I've seen new insights and lost info pulled from the memory hole and posted on this thread, and then a day or two later see an incredible article written by tireless researchers using the same info or links that were just posted here. This forum is vital and is giving an incredible contribution to the cause. Please don't be too frustrated hangthedj. The threads will join together someday and then we'll pull the rug out from under these evil slime.

sweetcheeks
12-06-2013, 09:08 PM
The new PaedoBritain date is out

27 - 28th July #Paedobritain2

This gives us plenty of time to start getting some stuff together that can easily be Tweeted and Facebooked.

Please let us do our best to get this trending.

achilles heel
12-06-2013, 09:14 PM
Why does Michael Gove prefer privileged Mandarins to poor children?



http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/the-paedofile-now-gove-blocks-mandatory-sex-abuse-reporting-as-missing-care-home-children-numbers-rise-by-19/

Quote

In a year, according to Ofsted, police have dealt with a record 11,900 cases linked to missing children in 12 months up to April this year compared to 10,000 over the same period the year before, a rise of 19%.:mad:

However, in 2010-11 local authorities reported only 920 instances of missing children from care homes. Worryingly most of those same care home facilities are still given 'good' ratings following Ofsted inspections. Are you listening Mr Gove?

troyhand
12-06-2013, 09:18 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334833/Barbaric-couple-waterboarded-children-years-captivity-fed-hole-wall.html

Mail Online
2 June 2013

'Barbaric' couple 'waterboarded their own children during ten years of captivity and fed them through a hole in the wall'

* Sebastien Hardenne and Isabelle Simon tortured their son and three daughters
* Belgian couple face ten years in prison for inflicting inhuman treatment
* Concerns about children's welfare reported in 2003 but social services did not intervene
* Father urinated on children, now aged 11 to 16 and beat them with whips

A barbaric couple who ‘waterboarded’ their four children during ten years of captivity and abuse have gone on trial in Belgium.

Parents Sebastien Hardenne and Isabelle Simon also kept their three girls and a boy in a locked room at night and ‘fed’ them through a small hole in the wall, it was heard.

They beat them with sticks, an iron bar and whips and tortured them with an electric fly swatter, police have revealed.

The father urinated in the children’s mouths and even practised ‘water-boarding’ torture similar to that allegedly used at America’s Guantanamo Bay prison, the court was told.

Two girls were also locked in a suitcase smeared with dog excrement and swung around a room, it was heard.

Social services in the town of Biron were alerted by the children’s school in 2003 that they were dirty and undernourished, but the warning went unheeded.

The youngsters - now aged 11 to around 16 - are being cared for permanently by social services in the town of Namur.

Neighbour Anne-Marie Durieux told Belgian media the saw the couple as worse than notorious Belgian child killer Marc Dutroux.

She added: 'They are worse than him because they did it to their own children.

'It makes me feel physically ill to realise now the extent of what the children were suffering and that I didn’t spot it.'

The couple’s lawyer Jacqueline Petit said they ‘felt sorry’ for what they had done and handed the court a letter of apology from the parents to their children.

The pair face ten years :eek: in prison on charges of ‘inflicting inhuman treatment’ at the trial in Marche-en-Famenne which is due to end on June 12.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334833/Barbaric-couple-waterboarded-children-years-captivity-fed-hole-wall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334833/Barbaric-couple-waterboarded-children-years-captivity-fed-hole-wall.html)

...
(TEN YEARS?! Their youngest is 11 years old! Four children being tortured their entire childhoods and they're only facing ten years?!! Oh my dear God! I never want to visit Belgium ever.

How many other children in the world are sitting in a dungeon right now?)

oonalu
12-06-2013, 09:20 PM
I have one totally unfounded story about Jimmy Savile. We stayed in the same Newcastle hotel as him before the Great North Run in 2004, and saw him around the hotel several times. He was always with minders and other men in suits. When we commented on his entourage to hotel staff, they exchanged glances and raised eyebrows. "They get him anything he wants" said one.

I think this needs to be investigated, but who by? The police can't prosecute a dead man.

http://www.yellowsforum.proboards.com/thread/11445

abrakebabra
12-06-2013, 09:26 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334833/Barbaric-couple-waterboarded-children-years-captivity-fed-hole-wall.html

Mail Online
2 June 2013

'Barbaric' couple 'waterboarded their own children during ten years of captivity and fed them through a hole in the wall'

* Sebastien Hardenne and Isabelle Simon tortured their son and three daughters
* Belgian couple face ten years in prison for inflicting inhuman treatment
* Concerns about children's welfare reported in 2003 but social services did not intervene
* Father urinated on children, now aged 11 to 16 and beat them with whips

A barbaric couple who ‘waterboarded’ their four children during ten years of captivity and abuse have gone on trial in Belgium.

Parents Sebastien Hardenne and Isabelle Simon also kept their three girls and a boy in a locked room at night and ‘fed’ them through a small hole in the wall, it was heard.

They beat them with sticks, an iron bar and whips and tortured them with an electric fly swatter, police have revealed.

The father urinated in the children’s mouths and even practised ‘water-boarding’ torture similar to that allegedly used at America’s Guantanamo Bay prison, the court was told.

Two girls were also locked in a suitcase smeared with dog excrement and swung around a room, it was heard.

Social services in the town of Biron were alerted by the children’s school in 2003 that they were dirty and undernourished, but the warning went unheeded.

The youngsters - now aged 11 to around 16 - are being cared for permanently by social services in the town of Namur.

Neighbour Anne-Marie Durieux told Belgian media the saw the couple as worse than notorious Belgian child killer Marc Dutroux.

She added: 'They are worse than him because they did it to their own children.

'It makes me feel physically ill to realise now the extent of what the children were suffering and that I didn’t spot it.'

The couple’s lawyer Jacqueline Petit said they ‘felt sorry’ for what they had done and handed the court a letter of apology from the parents to their children.

The pair face ten years :eek: in prison on charges of ‘inflicting inhuman treatment’ at the trial in Marche-en-Famenne which is due to end on June 12.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334833/Barbaric-couple-waterboarded-children-years-captivity-fed-hole-wall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334833/Barbaric-couple-waterboarded-children-years-captivity-fed-hole-wall.html)

...
(TEN YEARS?! Their youngest is 11 years old! Four children being tortured their entire childhoods and they're only facing ten years?!! Oh my dear God! I never want to visit Belgium ever.

How many other children in the world are sitting in a dungeon right now?)

FFS. I utterly despair sometimes. Just what the fuck is wrong with this world...and fucking Belgium in particular :(

achilles heel
12-06-2013, 09:31 PM
José Manuel Barroso, President of the EC, shakes hands with Elio Di Rupo, Belgian Prime Minister :-

http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/photo/photoByReportage.cfm?ref=022882&sitelang=en

José Manuel Barroso alleged to be holding Madeline Mccann :-

http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/barroso-alleged-to-be-holding-madeleine.html

The first of the 13 comments on the tap blogspot stands out. It reads:

I believe this totally because some years back a relation of mine used to be an anaesthetist in a London hospital and the man we know now as a communist pervert Sir Anthony Blunt was in for an operation. Under the anaesthetic he started rumbling on and confessed to some awful CHILD MURDERS. The team discussed it afterwards and I did not know what to make of it.

oonalu
12-06-2013, 09:36 PM
"They were words she used to me - 'There are dark forces' - and never really expanded on that in any way," he said.
Mr Harding, the founder of a surveillance and security firm, made four sweeps in all of the Princess's home over a four month period. He was recommended to her by the Duchess of York, whom he knew through charity work.
The Princess had been told by well placed "friends" that surveillance of her was being carried out by a five-strong team of people in an "organisation", the inquest heard.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1574893/Diana-feared-being-bugged-by-dark-forces.html

millers
12-06-2013, 09:39 PM
9224




Crucifix around kitty's neck.... When did he become born again ?

Below is an article on Cliff Richard from the March 3rd 1973 'June and Pixie' comic. It says that 4 years earlier, he nearly turned his back on the entertainment world to devote his life to religious causes.

An Internet search suggests that he became a comitted Christian at the age of 20.

"Sir Cliff announced his commitment to Christianity at a Billy Graham crusade in 1966 and is moved to anger that 'stars who debauch themselves, get addicted to drugs then kick them, get all the praise'.He is a born-again Christian since he was 20 and abstained from sex because he disagrees with pre-marital sexual relations."
(http://uk.ask.com/question/how-can-you-tell-cliff-richards-is-a-christian)


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1305&pictureid=13053

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 09:41 PM
Well they look like perfectly upstanding, wholesome gentlemen :rolleyes:


Yes, my gran would have said they seem like nice boys.

welshwitch
12-06-2013, 09:48 PM
FFS. I utterly despair sometimes. Just what the fuck is wrong with this world...and fucking Belgium in particular :(

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oNAvkPb8o_A/Sa5VE0kaLfI/AAAAAAAAFnQ/i4ThG2dwTZg/s640/Mannekn_Piss_Original.jpg

Ever wondered why this is their most famous emblem?

Ever wondered why the European Union chose Brussels?

They are all sick.

achilles heel
12-06-2013, 09:48 PM
Another disturbing case I remember from the Czech Republic. Two boys were abused beyond belief (involved cannibalism). The family belonged to the cult The Grail Movement. The abuse of the boys was co-ordinated by a man known as the 'Doctor' who sent mobile text messages to the family on how to abuse the two boys.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1027962/Boy-skinned-eaten-cannibal-cult-family.html

oonalu
12-06-2013, 10:04 PM
9228





Caption: English dj and television presenter Jimmy Savile (1926 - 2011) with English actress Anita Harris and his mother Agnes, 5th November 1968. (Photo by Daily Express /Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

abrakebabra
12-06-2013, 10:09 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oNAvkPb8o_A/Sa5VE0kaLfI/AAAAAAAAFnQ/i4ThG2dwTZg/s640/Mannekn_Piss_Original.jpg

Ever wondered why this is their most famous emblem?

Ever wondered why the European Union chose Brussels?

They are all sick.

Belgium...the EU...NATO HQ...Dutroux...sick barely even begins to describe it. Elite satanism and paedophilia...I'm closer than ever to being convinced that David Icke is right in everything he says...non-human entities included :eek:

bossman10
12-06-2013, 10:50 PM
Channel Five 11pm tonight


Crimes that shook the world.

Mark Dutroux


Just a reminder to anyone who would like to watch it.

abrakebabra
12-06-2013, 11:01 PM
Channel Five 11pm tonight


Crimes that shook the world.

Mark Dutroux


Just a reminder to anyone who would like to watch it.

Thanks for the reminder, Bossman. Watching now. "His crimes fuel conspiracy theories to this day". Had to get that in early...guessing it'll be a hit piece then :rolleyes:

marlowe
12-06-2013, 11:06 PM
Well it's Channel 5, their programmes are generally for people who are even more stupid than the BBC and ITV audiences.

achilles heel
12-06-2013, 11:08 PM
Channel Five 11pm tonight


Crimes that shook the world.

Mark Dutroux


Just a reminder to anyone who would like to watch it.

Thank you. Watching now.:)

sweetcheeks
12-06-2013, 11:28 PM
This thread has taken its toll on so many of us, I have seen so many posters come and go, the burden of what we are revealing becoming too much at times. I too have struggled over this last year when so many of my foundations have crumbled and illusions shattered. But we can not give up now, we are on the winning side.

I was fortunate to be able to attend the Bilderberg Festival. There was a real sense of fellowship there, a determination to push forward and a tipping point. I could sense and smell a win, and a lifting of the heavy load I have been carrying. We are the future, we can make a change, we are already well on the way to doing that. Please don't give up, stay positive.

We could have easily marched up the hill, thrown stones at the window of The Grove, disrupted their meeting, perhaps even dragged them out by their hair. But there was an empowerment in our serenity, we didn't need to use force or violence. There was a strength in our numbers, a great feeling of oneness and we all felt something shift.

You are all needed here, this last push is vital. Take time out if you need it, regain your energy, but come back when you are able. We need you.
In Alex Jones' speech, he said it is absolutely essential, it is key, that we all continue on. We must all be leaders, leaders in our areas spreading the word. We are the answer, we are the resistance, we are the future and we must never submit and give up.

The light is ahead, let others lift you for a while if needed, but keep heading for the light. Our time is near.

achilles heel
12-06-2013, 11:32 PM
This thread has taken its toll on so many of us, I have seen so many posters come and go, the burden of what we are revealing becoming too much at times. I too have struggled over this last year when so many of my foundations have crumbled and illusions shattered. But we can not give up now, we are on the winning side.

I was fortunate to be able to attend the Bilderberg Festival. There was a real sense of fellowship there, a determination to push forward and a tipping point. I could sense and smell a win, and a lifting of the heavy load I have been carrying. We are the future, we can make a change, we are already well on the way to doing that. Please don't give up, stay positive.

We could have easily marched up the hill, thrown stones at the window of The Grove, disrupted their meeting, perhaps even dragged them out by their hair. But there was an empowerment in our serenity, we didn't need to use force or violence. There was a strength in our numbers, a great feeling of oneness and we all felt something shift.

You are all needed here, this last push is vital. Take time out if you need it, regain your energy, but come back when you are able. We need you.
In Alex Jones' speech, he said it is absolutely essential, it is key, that we all continue on. We must all be leaders, leaders in our areas spreading the word. We are the answer, we are the resistance, we are the future and we must never submit and give up.

The light is ahead, let others lift you for a while if needed, but keep heading for the light. Our time is near.

Perfectly said Sweetcheeks.:)

56cheffy
12-06-2013, 11:35 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/320153/SAVILE-COP-IN-BB-HOUSE/

A TOP police officer who has been investigating the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal is going into Big Brother.

The high-ranking detective has been hunting celebrity sex offenders as part of Operation Yewtree.

But now the officer, who specialised in child abuse cases, is swapping Scotland Yard for the famous Channel 5 telly house.

marlowe
12-06-2013, 11:36 PM
What the fuck? :confused: It's not Spindler, is it?

56cheffy
12-06-2013, 11:43 PM
What the fuck? :confused: It's not Spindler, is it?

Also rumored to be in the house :rolleyes:

Gary Glitter
Jim Davidson
Freddie Starr
Max Clifford
Rolf Harris
Bill Roache
Peter Stringfellow
Keith Vaz
Cliff Richard
Sir Bruce Forsyth
Sir Cliff Richard
Kenneth Clark

And a couple of celebrity chefs!

vogeq
12-06-2013, 11:52 PM
Theyre bastards, covering their arses all the way, right to the top of government and judiciary

achilles heel
12-06-2013, 11:57 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/320153/SAVILE-COP-IN-BB-HOUSE/

A TOP police officer who has been investigating the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal is going into Big Brother.

The high-ranking detective has been hunting celebrity sex offenders as part of Operation Yewtree.

But now the officer, who specialised in child abuse cases, is swapping Scotland Yard for the famous Channel 5 telly house.

What the hell is going on? And it starts on 13th.

achilles heel
13-06-2013, 12:01 AM
What the fuck? :confused: It's not Spindler, is it?

If it is him and he blabs will that mean the accused won't get a fair trial and will therefore get off?:mad:

marlowe
13-06-2013, 12:03 AM
Also rumored to be in the house :rolleyes:

Gary Glitter
Jim Davidson
Freddie Starr
Max Clifford
Rolf Harris
Bill Roache
Peter Stringfellow
Keith Vaz
Cliff Richard
Sir Bruce Forsyth
Sir Cliff Richard
Kenneth Clark

And a couple of celebrity chefs!

And the mummified corpse of Jimmy Savile, propped up against the wall in an 'Osiris risen' pose.

discovery77
13-06-2013, 12:18 AM
What?! Big Brother? How insane! More games being played?

A breakaway whistleblower or a brilliant way to influence the public?

Smacks of desperation this! :D

discovery77
13-06-2013, 12:24 AM
@Sweetcheeks - thanks very much for your uplifting, inspiring posts.

Regarding Dutroux doc - just watched. Nothing all that new, bit of a glossover, but a few notes;

police had Dutroux's name 2 weeks after kids missing. Did nothing.

His house under video surveillance but switched off at night.

Video tapes found during search-didnt watch them coz 'no video player'. One contained him constructing his dungeon.

Cops could hear kids voices (the two little 8 yr olds) but didnt look in dungeon, or anywhere.

It was Dutroux's own claims in prison about being connected to powerful paedo ring of vips that changed the landscape of scandal.

It was later corroborated and expanded upon by victim Regina Louf. Her mums b/f prostituted her out to paedo network with Nihoul in and Dutroux visited.

Autopsy of a murdered girl in barn corroborates her story - and hands bound certain way/injuries that were not publicly known at time.

Then -spindler style - chief investigator is sacked, investigation brought to a sudden halt.

Christ - the march - people leave jobs for day, fireman symbolically cleanse government buildings with waterhoses - revolution - almost - did they give up to soon?

Nihoul the evil bastard

20 people connected to the case, witness wise have died in suspicious circumstances.

Regina Louf was not called to give evidence because her case was halted in 1997. And she was the one who could testify against Nihoul about powerful ring.Then predictably dismissed as a fantasist.

Nihoul only convicted of drug offences-acquitted of being accomplice of Dutroux. Officially then there is no paedophile network or vip clients.

Carbon copy again and again.

The doc didnt go into the full horror thank god -that is available on Wikileaks and the most disturbing thing Ive ever read in my life. :(

border reiver
13-06-2013, 12:27 AM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/320153/SAVILE-COP-IN-BB-HOUSE/

A TOP police officer who has been investigating the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal is going into Big Brother.

The high-ranking detective has been hunting celebrity sex offenders as part of Operation Yewtree.

But now the officer, who specialised in child abuse cases, is swapping Scotland Yard for the famous Channel 5 telly house.

I don't watch that utter shite, but if this proves to be the case, I will never again have any doubt whatsoever that TPTB are simply laughing in our faces the entire fucking time.

tangodeltafoxtrot
13-06-2013, 12:37 AM
Why does Michael Gove prefer privileged Mandarins to poor children?



http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/the-paedofile-now-gove-blocks-mandatory-sex-abuse-reporting-as-missing-care-home-children-numbers-rise-by-19/

Gove as PM? Seriously, if that ever happens it's a case of "will the last one to leave the UK please switch off the lights". Call me Dave is basically a PR-driven populist and pragmatist, Gove has ideas and stuff (mainly, the wrong ones), which makes him much more dangerous.

tangodeltafoxtrot
13-06-2013, 12:37 AM
I don't watch that utter shite, but if this proves to be the case, I will never again have any doubt whatsoever that TPTB are simply laughing in our faces the entire fucking time.

Let's wait and see. He could be a whisteblower, you never know. If it's Spindler or someone close to him, could be really interesting.

border reiver
13-06-2013, 12:45 AM
Regarding Dutroux doc - just watched. Nothing all that new, bit of a glossover, but a few notes;

police had Dutroux's name 2 weeks after kids missing. Did nothing.

His house under video surveillance but switched off at night.

Video tapes found during search-didnt watch them coz 'no video player'. One contained him constructing his dungeon.

Cops could hear kids voices (the two little 8 yr olds) but didnt look in dungeon, or anywhere.

It was Dutroux's own claims in prison about being connected to powerful paedo ring of vips that changed the landscape of scandal.

It was later corroborated and expanded upon by victim Regina Louf. Her mums b/f prostituted her out to paedo network with Nihoul in and Dutroux visited.

Autopsy of a murdered girl in barn corroborates her story - and hands bound certain way/injuries that were not publicly known at time.

Then -spindler style - chief investigator is sacked, investigation brought to a sudden halt.

Christ - the march - people leave jobs for day, fireman symbolically cleanse government buildings with waterhoses - revolution - almost - did they give up to soon?

Nihoul the evil bastard

20 people connected to the case, witness wise have died in suspicious circumstances.

Regina Louf was not called to give evidence because her case was halted in 1997. And she was the one who could testify against Nihoul about powerful ring.Then predictably dismissed as a fantasist.

Nihoul only convicted of drug offences-acquitted of being accomplice of Dutroux. Officially then there is no paedophile network or vip clients.

Carbon copy again and again.

The doc didnt go into the full horror thank god -that is available on Wikileaks and the most disturbing thing Ive ever read in my life. :(

A good overview of the prog. ;-)

It's just completely sickening, isn't it. As you say, it's the same script acted-out time and time again. The programme didn't mention the word 'paedophile' do about twenty-five minutes and didn't at any stage (unless I missed it) propose an international paedophile ring being implicated or even as a possibility.

These evil fucking bastards must not be allowed to get away with it any more. But will the UK rise-up to even close to the way the Belgians did? Sadly I can't see it happening, but I'd be delighted to be proved wrong. And remember, Belgium is a split nation, yet they became united. Gives a little hope.

border reiver
13-06-2013, 12:47 AM
Let's wait and see. He could be a whisteblower, you never know. If it's Spindler or someone close to him, could be really interesting.

Fair point; I'd not considered it from that angle.

Here's hoping you're on the money!