The Drugging of our Children (Gary Null)

[montag]

In the absence of any objective medical tests to determine who has ADD or ADHD, doctors rely in part on standardized assessments and the impressions of teachers and guardians while the they administer leave little room for other causes or aggravating factors, such as diet, or environment. Hence, diagnosing a child or adolescent with ADD or ADHD is often the outcome, although no organic basis for either disease has yet to be clinically proven. Psychiatrists may then prescribe psychotropic drugs for the children without first without making it clear to parents that these medications can have severe side-effects including insomnia, loss of appetite, headaches, psychotic symptoms and even potentially fatal adverse reactions, such as cardiac arrhythmia. And yet, despite these dangers, many school systems actually work with government agencies to force parents to drug their children, threatening those who refuse with the prospect of having their children taken from the home unless they cooperate.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3609599239524875493&q=drugging+kids

[purple is a fruit]

This angers me and I am currently breathing through it.
Thanks for the link montag

Purple

[lilloz]

I got given a vid connecting vaccines to all kinds of health problems, hope this is also of some use :confused:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&q=Global+Vaccine+Agenda

[dude111]

2 excellent videos!!!!!!

This must be stopped.... Kids immune systems MUST BE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP NATURALLY (As all ours should)

[isabeau]

In the absence of any objective medical tests to determine who has ADD or ADHD, doctors rely in part on standardized assessments and the impressions of teachers and guardians while the they administer leave little room for other causes or aggravating factors, such as diet, or environment. Hence, diagnosing a child or adolescent with ADD or ADHD is often the outcome, although no organic basis for either disease has yet to be clinically proven. Psychiatrists may then prescribe psychotropic drugs for the children without first without making it clear to parents that these medications can have severe side-effects including insomnia, loss of appetite, headaches, psychotic symptoms and even potentially fatal adverse reactions, such as cardiac arrhythmia. And yet, despite these dangers, many school systems actually work with government agencies to force parents to drug their children, threatening those who refuse with the prospect of having their children taken from the home unless they cooperate.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3609599239524875493&q=drugging+kids

There was a boy at our school that used to punch the children and strangle them.
He punched my little girl in the tummy and also used to hit her, follow her around, trip her up and jump off a fence onto her and strangle her.

The school said he had ADHD and that at age 4 he was too young to have medication.

I had to fight to get the boy removed from the school yard.
I made it quite clear that as parents our intention was to get him placed in a special needs school rather than medicate him (there was a school up the road he could have gone to)
the head replied that if they put every ADHD kid in a special needs school this school would be virtually empty (as a joke) and that he thought there was a link between ADHD and coming from poor families.

Things got better when the boy was taken out of yard play with the other children - but during class time he would still attack the children.
He spent a lot of time in the 'time out' room (basically a large cupboard with a window) - not many kids ever had to be put in that room - you have to ignore three warnings and three time outs on a chair first.

Anyway he then got one to one tuition at the school (which I don't think the school could afford). He still had problems though.

I overheard his grandparent tell me that at home the mother tied him to a chair and smacked him to stop him attacking the baby.
I was horrified and told the head that they should try to do something about the parenting skills rather than the child - they said they were working with other authorities and that there were problems at home that it was none of our business to know about- even though our kids were still being injured by him.

Well he's 7 years old now and plays with the other kids like any other normal child - they started medicating him at age 6 - it made a huge difference.

Personally though I don't think the problem has been addressed.
I still warn my child not to have her back to him or to play with him and to be aware that he's a ticking time bomb.

I think that kids like this end up like the murderers of Jamie Bulger.
The warning signs are there - and I think that if the parenting skills were addressed that kid wouldn't have had ADHD.
I am a firm believer that smacking doesn't work - time out works.
It didn't work on him at school because at home he was getting hit.

If you are so certain that it isn't the parents behaviour let me tell you what is happening right now in the nursery class where he other child has just started - her 3 year old boy is attacking the kids :rolleyes:
and is probably about to be diagnosed as having ADHD.
And my first child also had 3 years of being bullied by an ADHD kid.
5 children were removed from the school to get away from him, the parents were too shy to jpin
forces with me and meet the head of school.
It took 3 years and the LEA to get involved before he was removed from the school.
This is why second time around I wasn't going to let it drag on.

Before anyone rants about being a perfect parent ( as this mother did) and having an ADHD child - tell us exactly what you did to make certain that is true - what courses you went on - what help you sought for your parenting skills.

It's all on the children - I firmly believe its the parents that need to be addressed first.

So from the victims perspective I really think that the parents should be educated, then the kids should be taken into a special needs school if it continues - because these are the psychos of the future - the warning signs are there - ignore it at your peril.

And anyone that has a kid being bullied by a child like this - remember that your kid is just as important as theirs.

The most heartbreaking moment is when your child looks up at you and says 'Mummy why can't you stop me from being hurt by this boy?'
I have every sympathy for these children and parents but in return they have no sympathy for me or my child.
Its amazing that we parents fought for this kid not to be medicated - the parents were quite keen.
The school teachers were exhausted and just wanted a peaceful life.

[rbl_4nik8r]

@isabeau

As a parent of a 20 year old with Cerebral palsy, and a 12 year old that's ADHD with slight metal retardation I can tell you that you are very misinformed on so many levels. I don't know how they do things where your from but I would not put up with my kids being picked on or bullied for 3 years and trust me I do see it, but it would be from what you would think are normal student's. When you have a 12 year old son that can't read well or understand the value of money or has poor math skills you don't think normal kids don't pick on him or others like him ?

So far this school year I have been to the school over a dozen times to deal with kids making fun of him either on the bus or in class or at lunch. Oh and he could stand up for himself and kick there ass, but I have taught him that's not always the answer, but that may not be the case next year in JR High School.

Now with my son he had millions if thoughts going thru his head at one time, and he can't shut that down on his own, his hugest problem is trying to focus on one thing at a time, and yes at times he can get very violent, angry or just totally unresponsive to anything you say to him. You have no clue what its like as a parent to be out in a public place and your kid has a meltdown. Oh and most of the time they happen for reasons you have no control of, like him losing a toy from 2 years ago that you don't even remember.

Now he has been off and on medicine since he was 6, and its only since he went on 5mg of Abilify that he has control of his emotions more then before its not perfect but it help and he even says it helps him a lot more.

I can say some of the other meds he took over the years made him worse, and the thing is we were not looking for some magic pill to make him better. Ritalin was really bad for him it got to the point that he was angry, and hated everything all the time, you could not make him happy.

What I find strange is that you think its the parents fault just because of things you over heard from a few people but have no clue what its like dealing with a kid like that everyday or the toll it takes on you after years of dealing with it. You have no clue what its like dealing with a child that has a younger brother that has been excelling in all academics in school and it hurts him that he can't do the same. I really feel sorry for you to label children like my son and others the future psychos of the world. Its parents like you that used to get me pissed because you sit in your so called perfect world and think you have all the answers "Oh ship them off to a Special Need's School get them away from my kids" or blame the parents of said kids for how they act.

You also ask as a parent what did we do, we for starters we did 2 years of in home therapy twice a week to structure a lifestyle he could adjust to, but it didn't always help. We also have been taking him to a psychiatrist for years and tho some of the maybe quacks ours has been very careful on what they give and the side effects.

I saw someone comment on side effects, and I can say for a fact my son is in bed every night at 9pm if we are out past that he will become upset and very unruly, unless he is doing something he really likes, but he will sleep all night. His appetite is always there and no he is not given alot of sugar or things with sugar in it, he tends to go after food with carbohydrates, but we think this has more to do with his endless level of energy. He is in Middle School but got into practicing with the JR High Track Team this year, and tho he may not be the fastest he can out run most kids in the long distance and not be tired, he did 10k run last Wednesday and finished like it was a walk around the block.

As for hitting kids on the butt now and then it works, but there is a fine line there to, between my wife and me we have 8 kids and when we met here youngest son at the time was 4, and every time he saw me he would wack me in the nutts granted he didn't always hit me but a few times he got lucky. Well this went on for a few weeks till one time he caught me just right and I flopped him on the butt good, it was one wack but he never tried that again. As we found out later his older sister who was 19 at the time told him to do that and bought him toys for doing so. Now there was a big feud between his sister and me and it still goes on to this day to some degree, but once he learned that I would not hesitate to wack him if he hit me the toys he got from his sister didn't matter anymore.

Also I didn't even get into the things I had to deal with my daughter with Cerebral palsy, the schools she went to intergrated her into the classes even tho she spent most of her time in Life Skills Classes, many parents didn't like this, and felt she had some kind of disease there kids might catch. You have no clue what its like to be walking in a Mall with you child and some girl come ups and gives her a hug and you can see on your kids face she knows her, only to have her Dad say stay away from her she is sick and she says no Dad I take her to lunch everyday at school and help her eat she is my friend. Oh and he went to the school the next week and made sure he daughter never helped my kid again.

Look I am not a perfect parent, I can tell you how my oldest daughter that will be 23 in 2 month finished reading The Hobbit at age 4, and that we spent weeks reading a chapter each night and that we went on to many other books after that, and now she is a film major with a 3.7 GPA, and that I am proud of her. But all the work you do with one child changed when you have a child with Special Needs, it changed you life forever, and it teaches things you never thought of. This may not make sense to you but one of the reasons my second wife and I get along so well is because I can understand her son and how to interact with him and not get mad at him, blah I do get mad at times but I just don't show it to him. Anyways to me being a good parent is teach your kids the mistakes you made in life, and not being afraid to share your failures or low points in life and how you got over them.

To sum this up meds can work for some kids, one of the doctors my wife works with made a comment about our son and that back in caveman days he would have been a leader of the tribe or the top hunter because of his endless energy, and that once he focuses on something that's his only goal, basically he would have been the perfect hunter/gatherer, the thing is, in this day and age he can't really use them skills. He knows his pills help and if he misses taking one in the morning by late afternoon he will have a meltdown and if you think having them go sit in a corner or giving them a timeout is going to help your full of shit, but beating them won't either, but at times they may have to be an option, even if you don't like it.



4nE

[isabeau]

@isabeau

As a parent of a 20 year old with Cerebral palsy, and a 12 year old that's ADHD with slight metal retardation I can tell you that you are very misinformed on so many levels. I don't know how they do things where your from but I would not put up with my kids being picked on or bullied for 3 years and trust me I do see it, but it would be from what you would think are normal student's. When you have a 12 year old son that can't read well or understand the value of money or has poor math skills you don't think normal kids don't pick on him or others like him ?

So far this school year I have been to the school over a dozen times to deal with kids making fun of him either on the bus or in class or at lunch. Oh and he could stand up for himself and kick there ass, but I have taught him that's not always the answer, but that may not be the case next year in JR High School.

Now with my son he had millions if thoughts going thru his head at one time, and he can't shut that down on his own, his hugest problem is trying to focus on one thing at a time, and yes at times he can get very violent, angry or just totally unresponsive to anything you say to him. You have no clue what its like as a parent to be out in a public place and your kid has a meltdown. Oh and most of the time they happen for reasons you have no control of, like him losing a toy from 2 years ago that you don't even remember.

Now he has been off and on medicine since he was 6, and its only since he went on 5mg of Abilify that he has control of his emotions more then before its not perfect but it help and he even says it helps him a lot more.

I can say some of the other meds he took over the years made him worse, and the thing is we were not looking for some magic pill to make him better. Ritalin was really bad for him it got to the point that he was angry, and hated everything all the time, you could not make him happy.

What I find strange is that you think its the parents fault just because of things you over heard from a few people but have no clue what its like dealing with a kid like that everyday or the toll it takes on you after years of dealing with it. You have no clue what its like dealing with a child that has a younger brother that has been excelling in all academics in school and it hurts him that he can't do the same. I really feel sorry for you to label children like my son and others the future psychos of the world. Its parents like you that used to get me pissed because you sit in your so called perfect world and think you have all the answers "Oh ship them off to a Special Need's School get them away from my kids" or blame the parents of said kids for how they act.

You also ask as a parent what did we do, we for starters we did 2 years of in home therapy twice a week to structure a lifestyle he could adjust to, but it didn't always help. We also have been taking him to a psychiatrist for years and tho some of the maybe quacks ours has been very careful on what they give and the side effects.

I saw someone comment on side effects, and I can say for a fact my son is in bed every night at 9pm if we are out past that he will become upset and very unruly, unless he is doing something he really likes, but he will sleep all night. His appetite is always there and no he is not given alot of sugar or things with sugar in it, he tends to go after food with carbohydrates, but we think this has more to do with his endless level of energy. He is in Middle School but got into practicing with the JR High Track Team this year, and tho he may not be the fastest he can out run most kids in the long distance and not be tired, he did 10k run last Wednesday and finished like it was a walk around the block.

As for hitting kids on the butt now and then it works, but there is a fine line there to, between my wife and me we have 8 kids and when we met here youngest son at the time was 4, and every time he saw me he would wack me in the nutts granted he didn't always hit me but a few times he got lucky. Well this went on for a few weeks till one time he caught me just right and I flopped him on the butt good, it was one wack but he never tried that again. As we found out later his older sister who was 19 at the time told him to do that and bought him toys for doing so. Now there was a big feud between his sister and me and it still goes on to this day to some degree, but once he learned that I would not hesitate to wack him if he hit me the toys he got from his sister didn't matter anymore.

Also I didn't even get into the things I had to deal with my daughter with Cerebral palsy, the schools she went to intergrated her into the classes even tho she spent most of her time in Life Skills Classes, many parents didn't like this, and felt she had some kind of disease there kids might catch. You have no clue what its like to be walking in a Mall with you child and some girl come ups and gives her a hug and you can see on your kids face she knows her, only to have her Dad say stay away from her she is sick and she says no Dad I take her to lunch everyday at school and help her eat she is my friend. Oh and he went to the school the next week and made sure he daughter never helped my kid again.

Look I am not a perfect parent, I can tell you how my oldest daughter that will be 23 in 2 month finished reading The Hobbit at age 4, and that we spent weeks reading a chapter each night and that we went on to many other books after that, and now she is a film major with a 3.7 GPA, and that I am proud of her. But all the work you do with one child changed when you have a child with Special Needs, it changed you life forever, and it teaches things you never thought of. This may not make sense to you but one of the reasons my second wife and I get along so well is because I can understand her son and how to interact with him and not get mad at him, blah I do get mad at times but I just don't show it to him. Anyways to me being a good parent is teach your kids the mistakes you made in life, and not being afraid to share your failures or low points in life and how you got over them.

To sum this up meds can work for some kids, one of the doctors my wife works with made a comment about our son and that back in caveman days he would have been a leader of the tribe or the top hunter because of his endless energy, and that once he focuses on something that's his only goal, basically he would have been the perfect hunter/gatherer, the thing is, in this day and age he can't really use them skills. He knows his pills help and if he misses taking one in the morning by late afternoon he will have a meltdown and if you think having them go sit in a corner or giving them a timeout is going to help your full of shit, but beating them won't either, but at times they may have to be an option, even if you don't like it.



4nE

I think your situation is different. I live in the UK.
Special needs schools can help with different levels of problems here, its not just for disabilities.
Your child would have definately been placed at a special needs school here and looked after well.

I didn't put up with the bullying at all - I was at the school every day meeting teachers and complaining to the head.
I took photos of every black eye or injury he had in school and informed the doctor each time - when we went out with our child people thought we had been hitting him - that's not a good feeling either.
I kept him home from school and threatened to leave the school as other parents did only to be told by the head 'we'll miss him when he goes' :rolleyes:

They only acted when I went over their heads and called in the Local Education Authority to complain.
Now they have an anti-bullying strategy they have to follow which was down to my persistance.

I think the term ADHD is applied these days to any child that the schools cannot cope with. Their solution is to drug kids.

The child with ADHD at our school was never bullied by kids at school because none of the kids bullied apart from him - the odd argument was always settled after one telling off.
His behaviour was learned from his parents.

I can understand that in a heated moment a parent can lash out - I remove myself or the child from the situation by going to another room and calm down and it doesn't seem so bad then, I can talk to them when everyone is calm - but if hitting is used as a form of punishment the child will keep pushing to see how far the boundaries are.
In the UK you are not allowed to hit your children - even a slight tap these days is frowned upon as you are expected to follow the schools example of time out which works.

If anything the ADHD child is extremely bright and I brought this up with the school many times - I think he became bored often and this made him violent.

Of course my kids have had meltdowns in public places - I'm not mother of the year - I've lost it in shops before now and shouted at them - only to feel many disapproving eyes looking at me. We've all had days like that.
I can't imagine what its like to have that all the time - but I know that something was wrong with my parenting skills if it was happening all the time.

Remember that you are saying your child has a mental problem that has been diagnosed - these ADHD kids at our school have been classed as 'normal' with no reason to be violent. This is why I say that parenting skills need to be looked at with kids like that.

There are different types of bullies - there are ones that have gangs and start on kids face to face - my kid in comprehensive school can deal with that - but the bullies I'm talking about don't name call or pick on the weak, quiet kids, they just become violent at all kids. You don't see them in comprehensive schools because they are drugged by that age.

Its not me putting all these kids into the same box and drugging them instead of helping them - its our system that is wrong.

I wouldn't actually label your child ADHD nor do I think the UK system would. He has been diagnosed with slight mental retardation so would not be in our school, he would be at the special needs school.

There they teach kids with a varying range of learning difficulties including dyslexia.
The reason I think that the ADHD classed kids at our school should go to the special needs school is because they have facilities and teachers that are trained to deal with violent behaviour.
There these children wouldn't feel 'different' or be punished for not doing things the same way as the other kids.


The teachers at our school frequently got kicked and abused - even though they are small children - it caused one teacher to have a nervous breakdown and resign as she couldn't cope with this one child in her class disrupting the lessons.

So across the world there are different approaches in schools to difficult children in a classroom. Most of them are bad.

However - the only reason the ADHD kids stayed in a normal school here was because they didn't want the stigma attached to having a child go to a special needs school.

So these parents put their own pride before their kids happiness.

My little girl had pnenomia after not being allowed to go back in and get her coat on a rainy day at school. I don't know if this is how she got it but the doctors said it would have contributed.
Anyway - after fighting for her life for weeks and pulling through she went back to school.
And I had a phonecall after an hour of her being there.
In the playground the ADHD child punched her in her stomach and she had collapsed to the ground.
She was rushed back into hospital and we were questioned as if we were bad parents.

Now what parent wouldn't see red mist.
My husband wanted to punch the boys dad.
I refused to take her back until the school made it a safe place for her.
I even threatened the police I was so angry with them.

We hand our children over to schools at age 3 here.
My children hadn't had one single injury before they went to school.
The school has a responsibility to look after our children.
I'm sorry but one ADHD violent child can do a lot of damage in a normal school.
Apart from broken hats, sunglasses, bags, injuries to the children and teachers of which some kids have facial scars - lessons are disrupted and learning becomes difficult for the whole class and teachers and children no longer want to go to school, some leave to get away from these kids.

In the 11 years that I've known that school there have been 2 ADHD kids unfortunately each one was in my childs class - and they disrupted everyones lives.

Should we really keep these kids in a 'normal' school - no we should not because they are not displaying 'normal' behaviour and they need one to one attention- which can be given at a special needs school.

I don't agree with medicating ADHD kids at all so they can pretend to be 'normal'.
I think they should be allowed to be themselves in a special needs school.

Sorry if you disagree - it seems as if your case is different to the ones I am seeing here.

[rbl_4nik8r]

WOW the first thing I get from that post is the need to segregate kids that are not normal, they are the outcast, not much different then calling them the future psychos of the world. Well that and the stereotype of all kids that have ADHD are bullies and its the parents fault that they are, but yet at the same time you don't think they have ADHD and they should not be medicated WOW.

Then I also find you very hypocritical because if your kids get sick its OK to take them to a hospital or give them medicine to make them better, but from your take on things ADHD kids are not sick so they don't need any medicine to make them better or feel normal, another WOW.

I understand we come from different parts of the world and the school systems are different, but I recall when I was in school the Special Needs kids were kept out of sight so they were out of mind. They hid them from the normal kids and when the normal kids did see them, they made fun of them and called them name, and it was really sad. I know I was just like most of the other kids in school and made fun of them to. BUT THAT ALL CHANGES WHEN ONE OF YOUR KIDS BECOMES ONE OF THEM KIDS.

I can't say when, but at some point in time after I got out of school they intergrated Special Needs kids in with all the other kids, they didn't treat them as outcasts anymore or at lest they did in the school system my daughter went to. Yes they were still in a Special Need's Class with teachers and Aid's that helped out, but they spent time with the other students took lunch with them and helped them thru out the day. That girl I told you about in my last post who's Dad was an asshole, well she is in college majoring in Special Education something she attributes to my daughter.

As for ADHD lets break this down for you.

Attention deficit: The key word here is FOCUS my son and others with this can't focus on one task for any length of time, my son can't watch TV or play video games because he can't focus on the task to do something in a game, he has tried them, but he don't like them, as for TV he will watch it if the sun is down and its some he can relate to, I will say he is a movie buff, but that's because he finds a movie he likes and he will watch it a hundred times or different parts of it over and over again. In school he can't focus on a subject like most can, his mind is going a million miles a minute and its going all over the place. Now at times he will focus on something and that becomes his only focus, like right now the Track Team is his one focus, and if he is taken out of that schedule he will get mad, up set, angry and hostel to the person or persons that take him out of what we call his comfort zone. Just talking to someone with this can be a task because they can and will change subjects as often as most people blink, not only that they can bring up things from years ago that have no relevance on what you had been talking about.

Hyperactivity disorder: This is the other side of the problem, I would like to see how you act when you tell a kid with this to sit down for a timeout for being bad. They can't sit still they need to move, climb, or run. They don't understand the meaning of waiting there turn, well they might but waiting is slow, and anything slow is not something they like. They will talk non stop and repeat things said often, or just cut into people talking and make stuff up just to fit in on what they may think is being talked about. Will often say things without really thinking about it, or understand that what was said could be hurtful.

A good example of that with my son a few weeks ago I was on the grill making chicken and ribs, and he went to the neighbors to get a movie, something he will a do thru out the week, not that he will watch them but he thinks we will want to and sometime we do. Said neighbor has a few hundred DVD's so many times its about luck if he gets a good one. Anyways on this day he went over and found out his wife and kids were gone to her mothers, and he was home alone. Now instead of asking him over for the BBQ he said my Dad is making ribs and chicken but we don't have enough for you so you can't come over.
The thing is he really wanted him to come over but it didn't come out that way. My wife had to send him back over 3 more times for him to get him to come over for dinner.

The medicine for ADHD are basically Stimulants and is one of the reasons they are abused, but not by ADHD patients, but by the normal people. See stuff like Ritalin is kind of like a speeder to you or me, but someone with ADHD it will do the opposite it will slow there brain down so less information is going thru the brain. I am not going to get into the Dopamine or Serotonin level in the brain or how they are screwed up if you have ADHD but medicine can help a lot all you got to do is ask my kid if he is better with or without it.

I don't know how they do things there, but when he went on Abilify it was 1mg for 2 weeks, then 2mg for 3 weeks, then 4mg for about 4 weeks and then he went to 5mg, and has been on that since. He was going to his doctor every 2 weeks and going over his reactions over the past 2 weeks and how he felt. He is not a mindless zombie on this and he can focus on somethings more, but he still has endless energy. We also know if he misses a pill in the morning that by the end of the day he will meltdown, and tho YOU may think this is what you have felt with in the past I highly doubt it. I will also add that Ritalin didn't make him a zombie either, the main problem with that was when it wore off, mostly after 6pm and it would be like a major crash and mood swings, and this was one of the few times we saw him get violent to us and others.

I for one don't think the kids you are dealing with have ADHD, they just seem to be bullies, or mean kids and there parents maybe to blame, and either you or the schools in your area are just stereotyping them with ADHD because they don't know what else to do. I will say this you and many others are very misinformed about ADHD.


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[jon galt]

There was a boy at our school that used to punch the children and strangle them.
He punched my little girl in the tummy and also used to hit her, follow her around, trip her up and jump off a fence onto her and strangle her.

i would blame the school for lack of supervision if they knew that this was an issue rather than the kid. seriously if the school are responsible for the safety of the kids[/quote]

The school said he had ADHD and that at age 4 he was too young to have medication.

I had to fight to get the boy removed from the school yard.
I made it quite clear that as parents our intention was to get him placed in a special needs school rather than medicate him (there was a school up the road he could have gone to)
the head replied that if they put every ADHD kid in a special needs school this school would be virtually empty (as a joke) and that he thought there was a link between ADHD and coming from poor families.

Things got better when the boy was taken out of yard play with the other children - but during class time he would still attack the children.
He spent a lot of time in the 'time out' room (basically a large cupboard with a window) - not many kids ever had to be put in that room - you have to ignore three warnings and three time outs on a chair first.

Anyway he then got one to one tuition at the school (which I don't think the school could afford). He still had problems though.

I overheard his grandparent tell me that at home the mother tied him to a chair and smacked him to stop him attacking the baby.
I was horrified and told the head that they should try to do something about the parenting skills rather than the child - they said they were working with other authorities and that there were problems at home that it was none of our business to know about- even though our kids were still being injured by him.


yeah what better way to deal with a kid being abused by its parents (seriously what need does an adult have to restrain a child in this way ie tying to a chair) by isolating him not letting him play and keeping him in a cupboard at school. the lack of compassion for this kid is incredible, no wonder he was angry. then sedating him. i dont know much about adhd, but in my view these kids need something to do with there energy ie sports. my sisters kid hyper as hell (not saying it the same) but after a game of football he to tiered to cause trouble.

The medicine for ADHD are basically Stimulants and is one of the reasons they are abused, but not by ADHD patients, but by the normal people. See stuff like Ritalin is kind of like a speeder to you or me, but someone with ADHD it will do the opposite it will slow there brain down so less information is going thru the brain. I am not going to get into the Dopamine or Serotonin level in the brain or how they are screwed up if you have ADHD but medicine can help a lot all you got to do is ask my kid if he is better with or without it.
yeah i remember reading that kids were selling/buying these for a high. my personal opinion is any medicine that messes with Dopamine or Serotonin is asking for trouble. not similar but my brother was on medication for epilepsy that is also used to treat bipolar, long story short it turned one of the most inteligent people in know like a zombie , while he was on high dose, and did not even stop the seizures. he uses different meds now.

btw some good info rbl,

[isabeau]

I agree, I have no knowledge of what ADHD is.
We aren't given any information as we are told it is private.
Yet I think it is in every parents interest to be informed about these things.

Your situation sounds like a real case and maybe medication is a correct choice for your child.

But there is a huge problem with medicating children in the UK instead of addressing the issues.

I wanted the school and parents to work together and make this child safe to be around our children. But they gave up and medicated him instead.
My point was that if he had a mental problem wouldn't it be better for him to be around others with similar issues and have staff that are trained in ADHD looking after him rather than be surrounded by teachers, parents and children that don't understand.

To be fair the teachers were wonderful with him to the point of making the victims even more upset as the children saw that hurting others ended up with the bully being rewarded, given stickers, sweets etc... and having a teacher stroke their arm to comfort and calm them down.

You can see that in that environment the children that don't understand ADHD were going home with injuries, feeling confused as they watched the bully being comforted for the rest of the day.

Not all bullies are treated this way - with the time out system I have seen many bullies stop and usually something has been happening at home that has caused it in the first place.

There is definately something different about their behaviour - and its good that the schools work so hard to try to make these kids interact with the other children.

But it never works. The children end up being bitter, angry and confused and the experiment always goes wrong and the child ends up being medicated.

So maybe medication is the best thing for these children.
But I don't think sending them to a school to interact with other children that don't understand ADHD is the best thing for any of these kids.

We both feel like our child is caught up in an experiment in their trial and error ways of handling these kids.

More needs to be done because as it stands it seems like all the children are victims in this at the moment.

But one thing I can guarantee you is that the ADHD child was never bullied by the other children. It was against school policy to bully.
They had to play with him even if they didn't want to.

They were scared of him and most would understandably try to avoid him out of fear - but they were never allowed to call names or bully and they kept to that rule.

I knew there was something wrong when my girl came home and said that the boy told her he fancied her and then promptly slapped her across the face.
For a long time the school told us that he accidently hit children as his arms flapped about in excitement.
Then when the punching and strangling started they couldn't pass it off anymore.

The child would have been okay on medication from 3 years of age I'm sure - but that doesn't seem right.

I guess the question is should we place these children on medication from an earlier age or place them in a school that can deal with their issues and not make them feel like they are bullies.

But the schools in both our countries don't seem to understand the issues enough that is all I can conclude from this.

I just hope that all our kids can go through their education feeling happy.

We don't have any answers - and neither do the schools or doctors it would seem. This is something that needs to be changed.

I wish you well.

[nirvana]

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[isabeau]

That looks worth a try.

As an update the ADHD kid in my kids school has started biting and bit 3 children in his class at age 7
(2 boys and a girl) so is currently being kept away from the rest of the children.

Maybe the meds don't work as well as we thought or he's not taking them.
I do hope they figure out a way of helping this kid before he seriously
hurts someone.

It would be awful for both sets of parents and kids.

Lots of kids go through a biting phase - usually they bite one kid then the parents get called to the school for a meeting and it stops - usually around age 3 or 4 - never heard of a 7 year old biting kids before so this is a new one on me.

[rbl_4nik8r]

That looks worth a try.

As an update the ADHD kid in my kids school has started biting and bit 3 children in his class at age 7
(2 boys and a girl) so is currently being kept away from the rest of the children.

Maybe the meds don't work as well as we thought or he's not taking them.
I do hope they figure out a way of helping this kid before he seriously
hurts someone.

It would be awful for both sets of parents and kids.

Lots of kids go through a biting phase - usually they bite one kid then the parents get called to the school for a meeting and it stops - usually around age 3 or 4 - never heard of a 7 year old biting kids before so this is a new one on me.

I have when my daughter was in school and she used to bit herself at times, but this mostly came from kids that were diagnost as mentally retarded and other issues. Its common sign of frustration a long with kicking people or wall, and I think this can explain the hitting to.

I know the schools are different but what is done here is that Special Need's Class kids go into a Life Skills Class and are taught skills they will need in life. They are there for the day, but may do Gym, Homeroom and Lunch with other student's. I don't think this kid has ADHD, its got to be other issues to and keep in mind if you just throw a kid on ADHD meds they are going to go nutts. Look I know all kids react different but this kid needs extra help, the schools my kids have gone to had teachers with Special Education degrees so they know how to treat each case.

4nE

[dude111]

I don't agree with medicating ADHD kids at all so they can pretend to be 'normal'.
I think they should be allowed to be themselves in a special needs school.Yes i think this would be better!

They could work with them NATURALLY and try to help them overcome this condition WITHOUT using big pharma stuff THAT DOESNT FIX ANYTHING!!! (It just hides it)


Is that really fair to a child??

[rbl_4nik8r]

Yes i think this would be better!

They could work with them NATURALLY and try to help them overcome this condition WITHOUT using big pharma stuff THAT DOESNT FIX ANYTHING!!! (It just hides it)


Is that really fair to a child??

Some kids do get better from the meds, look there is no magic pill but when your own kid tells you he is doing better and can think better and listen better in school that's a good thing. It may not be for everyone but I have been around this for 20 years now. I have seen a lot in that time and if meds are given at low dose and slowly taken up to see if it works. My son is in a class with 8 other kids with different problems and a few are on meds and its not to the point of making them zombies that happens because you got doctors that don't give a fuck and just give out shit and not bother to check up on what's going on afterwards.


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[isabeau]

I have when my daughter was in school and she used to bit herself at times, but this mostly came from kids that were diagnost as mentally retarded and other issues. Its common sign of frustration a long with kicking people or wall, and I think this can explain the hitting to.

I know the schools are different but what is done here is that Special Need's Class kids go into a Life Skills Class and are taught skills they will need in life. They are there for the day, but may do Gym, Homeroom and Lunch with other student's. I don't think this kid has ADHD, its got to be other issues to and keep in mind if you just throw a kid on ADHD meds they are going to go nutts. Look I know all kids react different but this kid needs extra help, the schools my kids have gone to had teachers with Special Education degrees so they know how to treat each case.

4nE

Your child's symptoms sound different I do agree.

I think the UK system is flawed and needs changing.
Too many children are being classed as ADHD and given drugs too easily.

I don't know what system they have in place to decide which child has what wrong with them - but it appears to be one label and drug for all at the moment.

I don't know how long ADHD children have been studied compared to the USA or other countries but it seems as if it is relatively new because of the difference in opinions out there on this topic.

This child is extremely bright - and also violent - he is a recipie for disaster unless they give him the correct help he needs.

Its quite frightening to have read your posts and realise that they have got it wrong about him.

[rbl_4nik8r]

Your child's symptoms sound different I do agree.

I think the UK system is flawed and needs changing.
Too many children are being classed as ADHD and given drugs too easily.

I don't know what system they have in place to decide which child has what wrong with them - but it appears to be one label and drug for all at the moment.

I don't know how long ADHD children have been studied compared to the USA or other countries but it seems as if it is relatively new because of the difference in opinions out there on this topic.

This child is extremely bright - and also violent - he is a recipie for disaster unless they give him the correct help he needs.

Its quite frightening to have read your posts and realise that they have got it wrong about him.

Don't take this the wrong way and I am no expert in this field, but I do think with taking care of a daughter and step son for 20 and 5 years one learns alot of things and I may not be a doctor but from what I have seen at time I have more knowledge in this subject then some doctors because they just generalize themselves in a lot of cases and I have studied ADHD alot over the years and keep at it.

If this kid is smart in some areas he maybe Autistic to.


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