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lumukanda
10-03-2008, 08:04 AM
Maties tell of cop terror

Stellenbosch - The heavy-handed behaviour of police in drug busts in three night spots might end up in court after various partygoers lodged complaints against the police.

The raids took place in the Mystic Boer, Bohemia and the Springbok Pub early on Saturday morning.

According to police, drugs were found in all three places.

Reports claim that the police used pepper spray and fired shots. Female partygoers were allegedly searched by a male policeman.

Police spokesperson Elliot Sinyangana said the drug busts, at about 01:00, yielded six pieces of hashish, 150g dagga and some cocaine.

He said that no one had been arrested because the drugs that were found had been left behind in the clubs.

Sinyangana added that complaints over police conduct would be investigated thoroughly.

Among those allegedly manhandled in Bohemia were a Belgian poet and a Dutch author.

Cellphone recording

The police apparently ordered students to destroy cellphone recordings of the raids. Some students claim their cellphones were broken.

Video recordings from closed-circuit television cameras in two of the popular night spots show how the police stormed in with guns and shoved both male and female students around without them putting up any resistance.

They also show the police spraying pepper spray in students' faces while they were sitting on the ground.

"You can't search my vagina!" a distressed female student cried out, according to one of the barmen at Bohemia, who added that the girl had been pawed by the police.

Asthmatics and diabetics told how they had been prevented by the police from seeking medical treatment.

Jan Oberholzer, co-owner of Bohemia, said that there were holes in the ceiling of the establishment which were "seemingly bullet holes".

The video material clearly shows shots being fired as the police storm in.

Threatened with shotguns

Sinyangana said no shots had been fired.

Eyewitnesses said that the police had guns - including shotguns - with them at all times and that these were used to threaten, push and even hit students.

Although the police later said that the weapons had not been loaded, a cartridge was removed from the street outside the Springbok Pub after a policeman reloaded his weapon and the cartridge fell out.

Willem Coertzen, owner of Mystic Boer, who had been handcuffed and reportedly knocked in the face with a gun, said that the police had done the same sort of thing last year and had got away with it.

"The difference is that we have video evidence this time."

A law student, Gillian Armstrong, said she had been beaten, sprayed with pepper spray and thrown to the ground.

Woman pulled by her hair

Eyewitnesses told how a female student had been hit by a police officer because she had been "in his way".

A shocked woman, who only identified herself as Adel, told how she was slapped and beaten several times by a police officer.

Eyewitnesses told how a woman was pulled across the street by her hair.

After the police realised that photos and videos had been captured on cellphones, they tried to force the students to destroy the evidence by threatening them that they would be detained.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2285065,00.html

see the video here (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2285201,00.html).

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lumukanda
10-03-2008, 04:19 PM
sweet! thanks.

lateral_v
13-03-2008, 11:49 AM
A similiar thing happened in my hometown, a lady told me she was harrassed and asaulted by a couple of policeman, they entered her home without a warrant, and threatened to arress her for interferrance with police matters. This happened while they where busy doing who know's what to her husband outside. There has been 2 articles published in our local newspaper, and they have referred the case to a seargant for follow up, but as I understand according to her, nothing had been done regarding the matter yet.

I'll try and find a link with the newspaper article.

...bastards...:mad:

lumukanda
13-03-2008, 11:57 AM
this story has become very silent over the past few days, but i doubt it'll stay that way :

Maties unite on Facebook

Cape Town - Members of social networking website Facebook have come together in their condemnation of the controversial Stellenbosch police raids.

In just under 36 hours, one Facebook group called "Police raids in Stellenbosch" has swelled to around 3 000 members.

The group, created by Meg Cooper, features video footage of the raids, photographs of the aftermath, links to various organisations and a wide variety of opinion on the subject.

"The group was started to get hold of everyone that was involved in the ordeal. We wanted to get everyone to come into the respective clubs to give statements and urge them to lay charges and not just take this kind of crap anymore," said Cooper, via an e-mail interview on Facebook.

"Obviously you can see it has become so much more than that! It has become a place where people from all over can voice there opinions on the matter."

Among the 29 threads under discussion in the group, some students have started planning a protest march to coincide with the International Day of Police Brutality on March 15. Through posts on the discussion board, activity is slowly being organised but no final date has been set for the action.

For Cooper, the group has grown far beyond its original purpose.

"It amazes me how this whole thing has united so many people from so many different backgrounds. For once people are standing up together to say that this kind of thing shouldn't have happened and should never again."

Not spur of the moment

It was reported earlier on Tuesday that the controversial drugs bust during the early morning hours of Saturday at three popular venues in town did not take place on the spur of the moment.

It was preceded by various clandestine operations during which it became apparent that drugs could be bought at the particular premises.

Owners of licensed sites were also requested by the local alcohol forum two weeks ago to get their matters in order regarding their responsibility not to allow drug dealing on their premises.

Drug dealing continued nevertheless, said Director Dirk Mentoor, commissioner of the Stellenbosch police station, on Monday.

This was confirmed by operations on Friday evening on the eve of the bust. "We knew there was drug abuse before we arrived."

Mentoor said there was no "flood" of complaints after the bust and by late on Monday only four charges of assault had been filed with the police.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2286059,00.html

follower
13-03-2008, 05:59 PM
Lumukanda our country has always been a police state. all we did was pass power over from white facists to black ones.

lumukanda
13-03-2008, 06:24 PM
Lumukanda our country has always been a police state. all we did was pass power over from white facists to black ones.
now that is true.

follower
13-03-2008, 07:16 PM
now that is true.

its very true. think about it, in the UK (which is also a police state) ppl are protesting ID cards, in south africa its the norm to have 1. and with our crime problem, I wouldnt be surprised if the goverment used the army during the 2010 world cup....aka martial law. then we'll hear our politicians saying martial law helped curb crime during the world cup so its here to stay.....I can see that happening.

lumukanda
13-03-2008, 10:30 PM
its very true. think about it, in the UK (which is also a police state) ppl are protesting ID cards, in south africa its the norm to have 1. and with our crime problem, I wouldnt be surprised if the goverment used the army during the 2010 world cup....aka martial law. then we'll hear our politicians saying martial law helped curb crime during the world cup so its here to stay.....I can see that happening.
oh yes, very good points.
one i've been mulling over is the recent upsurge in reports of racism, we all know it didn't go anywhere, but the reports have gone through the roof, skierlik shootings, the OFS video, a black model doesn't get her covershot, the big time coverage of sports quotas, it's getting under people's skin.
i think a lot of it is just people adapting, but the media (read loomies) is milking it, and south africans are falling for it.
i have no doubt that south africa is a police state, i mean, despite what was reported in the papers recently, we still have many apartheid laws in place, especially when it comes to terrorism, tapping of phones, etc etc, and we are rapidly moving towards that vague african-ness, where there is a central government, but the local one is the real clincher, the bribes flow free, it's no surprise to me, and it's not because of a black government, it's because thats the way it was planned, can you imagine the shit here if zim gets violent, the spillover will screw us big time.
about 5 years ago a friend with some intelligence connections told me about a plan called operation bible, which was aimed at destabilising any black government, and guess who was at the centre of the entire op? jacob zuma. so funny that he really has made life very interesting here as of late.

follower
14-03-2008, 12:26 AM
oh yes, very good points.
one i've been mulling over is the recent upsurge in reports of racism, we all know it didn't go anywhere, but the reports have gone through the roof, skierlik shootings, the OFS video, a black model doesn't get her covershot, the big time coverage of sports quotas, it's getting under people's skin.
i think a lot of it is just people adapting, but the media (read loomies) is milking it, and south africans are falling for it.
i have no doubt that south africa is a police state, i mean, despite what was reported in the papers recently, we still have many apartheid laws in place, especially when it comes to terrorism, tapping of phones, etc etc, and we are rapidly moving towards that vague african-ness, where there is a central government, but the local one is the real clincher, the bribes flow free, it's no surprise to me, and it's not because of a black government, it's because thats the way it was planned, can you imagine the shit here if zim gets violent, the spillover will screw us big time.
about 5 years ago a friend with some intelligence connections told me about a plan called operation bible, which was aimed at destabilising any black government, and guess who was at the centre of the entire op? jacob zuma. so funny that he really has made life very interesting here as of late.

Your right about it not being because its a black goverment, its the setup. Unfortunately a lot of white south africans do feel its because the goverment is predominantly black. I have a feeling things will end in violence in Zimbabwe. Mugabe or Makoni will the election, meaning zanu pf stays in power, which equals no real change. Makoni is just another potential puppet african leader. South Africa is already struggling with immigrants from Zimbabwe as it is, a spillover would be disaterous, the police wouldnt be able to control it, which could also lead to the army being used....

Tell me more of this operation bible please. Its strange you were told this 5 years ago....seems like whatever the plan was its working.

Ive never trusted Zuma, the guy is a snake. He never answers any questions properly, he's immoral and the last kind of leader south africa needs.

lateral_v
14-03-2008, 06:23 AM
Lumukanda our country has always been a police state. all we did was pass power over from white facists to black ones.

Yep I know, and the thing is alot off black people themselves are feeling exactly the same as we do, I work with them...

Tell me have you heard about the plan to establish a United states of Africa? I've heard that they are planning on opening all the borders. Also I've read that Anglo-American is advising the South-African Goverment to enfource socialism in south Africa. Because of RASCISM....here we go again......RASCISM SELLS IN SA...BIG TIME!!

I'll see if I can find that link again, I read about it last year sometime..

I would also like to know more about this project bible,

lateral_v
14-03-2008, 07:18 AM
Check these out so long...:eek:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/ambitious-plan-for-a-new-africa-welcome-to-the-usa-thats-the-united-states-of-africa-455337.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/africa/829060.stm

lumukanda
14-03-2008, 07:48 AM
yep, racism is all the rage here at the moment isn't it? it reminds me of crime reporting in LA, the numbers have gone down, but the reporting had gone up, giving the illusion that crime was up.
make no mistake, racism is rife in south africa, and in many cases i suppose it's understandable (the thing is to rise above those emotional reactions, because thats what it's about, emotion, as far as i'm concerned, it's a massive psy op), but i think amongst whites it's more of an apathy, a sense of giving up, amongst blacks it's a sense of being left behind, and they see whites as being priveleged (and they are right to a degree, the common refrain is 'i was a kid during apartheid', but i still reaped the benefits of a better 'education', better standard of living etc etc), but both sides are being screwed, and i think deep down most people know it.

the united states of africa thing was proposed by ghaddafi if i'm not mistaken, and i think it is being toted as the next step after the african union.

on zim, the thing is he media goes bananas every time there is an election in zim, but this one is different, makoni being there, but i agree follower, makoni is just another head on the hydra, same body at the end of the day.
i did a bit of reading on operation bible and i found this article (http://www.ever-fasternews.com/index.php?php_action=read_article&article_id=682).

basically operation bible was a spin off of operation vula, in bible they managed to turn a member of the sa secret police into an ANC informer, it was during this time that they discovered the mystery agent that the shaiks and zuma believed to be Bulelani Ngcuka, who we all know was central in getting zuma removed from government, and has subsequently been crucified for it.
basically all these divisions have been there for a very long time, and are now playing out, the guy i spoke to described it to me as the ANC, or MK more specifically, had been infiltrated by the secret police and set all these things in motion, some see it as apartheid throwbacks, but as we know, it's all connected, so if anyone, it's a loomie interference.

lateral_v
14-03-2008, 08:46 AM
the united states of africa thing was proposed by ghaddafi if i'm not mistaken, and i think it is being toted as the next step after the african union.


basically operation bible was a spin off of operation vula, in bible they managed to turn a member of the sa secret police into an ANC informer, it was during this time that they discovered the mystery agent that the shaiks and zuma believed to be Bulelani Ngcuka, who we all know was central in getting zuma removed from government, and has subsequently been crucified for it.
basically all these divisions have been there for a very long time, and are now playing out, the guy i spoke to described it to me as the ANC, or MK more specifically, had been infiltrated by the secret police and set all these things in motion, some see it as apartheid throwbacks, but as we know, it's all connected, so if anyone, it's a loomie interference.


:eek: eish....!!! We're neck deep innit aren't we? :mad:
yes it was ghaddafi......what a name.....:confused:

Bloody hell the ANC really do have their claws into most everyone... I suppose you've also heard about the scorpions joining forces with the SAP?

Where doen mandela fit into all this, I mean I actually thought he seemed like a descent madala (old man), time in jail can honestly change one's life I suppose, or do you think his story was just used to play in the media, I mean he has celebrity status...

One thing that I thought was funny, was his whole 46664 concert, the numbers where on display everysingle where...then they said nah but it was his jail cell number, and that seemed to be fine with everyone...

It just puzzle's me why they actually used this number...and advertised it everywhere.. If you check out mcmenek1's posts, you'll understand exactly how we are all manipulated by certain numbers...

Also their is the whole Siener van Rensburg proficy, you know Nag van die Lang messe (Night of the Long knifes.....lol :D, sorry direct translation), basically the black's see Mandela as a peace symbol between the black's and whites, and when he dies, they are planning on slaughtering the white's...

But then again, South Africa is a young country and planning the manipulation of it I think was child's play for the PTB, and honestly most south african's are very very narrow minded and incredibly easy to manipulate....

So all this could just be part of the hidden agenda, including the whole siener van Rensburg story....


The way they manipulate man o man...it is just sickening :mad:

lumukanda
14-03-2008, 09:35 AM
i've heard that mandela's prison number was actually 4664, and not 46664, but i can't find the story now. icke put it quite well, he said that he's probably a very nice man, but he doesn't know the score.

the siener van rensburg thing is also known as uhuru, i don't know about that one hey, it seems like white paranoia to me tbh, even though the concept is well known, look at kenya during the mau-mau uprising, so i wouldn't negate it altogether.

south africa is in it up to the hilt! in cape town you've got rotshschild boulevard, near franschoek you've go the rupert & rotshchild vineyards, i've been in the underground tunnels that link the old british parliment building to the old south african cultural history museum (which has gargoyles outside and a huge marble carving of a snake in it's entrance hall) in cape town, i know someone who's dad was in the navy and told him about the huge naval complex in table mountain (not to mention the abandoned one on top of table mountain, where there used to be an echelon tower), then let's not even get into the really ancient history wrt to great zimbabwe and johannesburg's gold mines (i still have a theory that johannesburg is actually named after enki, who has connections to john the baptist, i believe the ABSU in sumerian myth was actually southern africa).

one thing is clear though, the crime situation here will eventually lead to marshal law and the full arrival of the police state, we will not be exempt, and i fear a lot of blood will be spilt before then and now.

lateral_v
14-03-2008, 10:25 AM
I was born in Cape Town......such a breathtakingly beautiful place.....I presume you live there..hey? so does my boet.

It does seem that the future looks pretty grim here, that's why I try and focus more positive & encouraging things.....

And right now that is most def NOT south africa.....:D

In the end though .....it all boils down to the choices you make and I have a few cards up my sleeve I believe..

Peace

Brother


May the fource be with you!!

btw. Liked ur bubbly pic, wouldn't mind giving one of those a go today, feeling a little under da weather...

lumukanda
14-03-2008, 10:36 AM
i live in paarl, i can't handle the city, i was born in the karoo, i feel a real affinity for those dry dusty places, i spend quite a lot of time up the west coast, cederberg that area.
i was quite fortunate to be able to spend 3 months in natal, 3 months in moz and 1 month in the kruger a couple of years ago on a job, and it really hit home to me how beautiful southern africa is, i am connected to this place.
but you are right, to focus too much on whats going on here now is to be a really miserable person, i stay informed, but don't dwell on it.

lateral_v
14-03-2008, 11:10 AM
i live in paarl, i can't handle the city, i was born in the karoo, i feel a real affinity for those dry dusty places, i spend quite a lot of time up the west coast, cederberg that area.
i was quite fortunate to be able to spend 3 months in natal, 3 months in moz and 1 month in the kruger a couple of years ago on a job, and it really hit home to me how beautiful southern africa is, i am connected to this place.
but you are right, to focus too much on whats going on here now is to be a really miserable person, i stay informed, but don't dwell on it.

Lucky you are hey? I'm jealous.... :) You could post some pic's in this thread sometime if you like, just to balance things out a bit, and too share the beauty of our country with others as well. No matter how infested with rubbish and toxicity this place might be right now......it still IS one of mother nature's most beautiful works....:p

follower
15-03-2008, 11:42 AM
Yep I know, and the thing is alot off black people themselves are feeling exactly the same as we do, I work with them...

Tell me have you heard about the plan to establish a United states of Africa? I've heard that they are planning on opening all the borders. Also I've read that Anglo-American is advising the South-African Goverment to enfource socialism in south Africa. Because of RASCISM....here we go again......RASCISM SELLS IN SA...BIG TIME!!

I'll see if I can find that link again, I read about it last year sometime..

I would also like to know more about this project bible,

Im one of those black people lol.

I heard about the united states of africa, they've been proposing this for while, we'll probably see the start of it over the next 5 years....

We've been taking the socialist route for a while now, they're even talking about nationalising all the national sports teams!!

lateral_v
17-03-2008, 05:59 AM
Im one of those black people lol.

I heard about the united states of africa, they've been proposing this for while, we'll probably see the start of it over the next 5 years....

We've been taking the socialist route for a while now, they're even talking about nationalising all the national sports teams!!

hello my fellow black brother/ sister!!! lol!! :D

Did you guys see.....they broadcasted the stellenbosch police raid on Carte Blanche last night! Cool huh? Couldn't watch it myself :( But I'm really glad it's getting more attention

I really do appreciate that programm, they really do know how to dig up durt hey??

May the force be with you fellow citizanz!!

:D

nationalising the national sports teams....:eek:

lumukanda
17-03-2008, 07:02 AM
i watched it, it was pretty grim, they had footage from one of the other pubs where a cop punches a young girl in the face, they also had a girl who says she was grabbed, taken into an office and searched 'inside and out' while 2 cops hold her legs open (sexual assault if i ever saw it), a girl who was hit in the face for trying to take pictures and then my personal fave, the thick as pigshit deputy station commander or something, saying that it's standard procedure and all this without watching the videos released (he must live in a hole in the ground tbh) and only seeing the videos the police took.
the ICD is investigating, but then again they're still investigating the death of a prisoner in the police cells about 5 years ago, without one interview, suspension or arrest, i wouldn't hold my breath.

slightly off topic, check out this article :

Aerial 2010 safety tests in CT

Cape Town - Aviation exercises are being conducted in the area of Green Point Stadium in the Western Cape to beef up aerial security for the 2010 World Cup, police said on Sunday.

"Operation Green Point is being simulated to test the security forces' capacity and ability to deal with aerial threats.

"This operation is an excellent training opportunity for the security personnel to be deployed during the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup," said spokesperson Sally de Beer.

She said it was a joint operation by the police and the air force.

"...There have been some complaints from community members residing in the vicinity of Green Point Stadium... The security forces regret any inconvenience caused," she said.

"We request the community of Cape Town to be patient and to remember that ultimately, their safety is of the utmost importance to us and our present operations are aimed at securing public safety," De Beer said.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2289183,00.html

they will institute all kinds of new procedures (search cars, people, houses without warrants) and when the reason for this is, the world cup, is gone, the laws will stay.

lateral_v
17-03-2008, 07:21 AM
i watched it, it was pretty grim, they had footage from one of the other pubs where a cop punches a young girl in the face, they also had a girl who says she was grabbed, taken into an office and searched 'inside and out' while 2 cops hold her legs open (sexual assault if i ever saw it), a girl who was hit in the face for trying to take pictures and then my personal fave, the thick as pigshit deputy station commander or something, saying that it's standard procedure and all this without watching the videos released (he must live in a hole in the ground tbh) and only seeing the videos the police took.
the ICD is investigating, but then again they're still investigating the death of a prisoner in the police cells about 5 years ago, without one interview, suspension or arrest, i wouldn't hold my breath.

slightly off topic, check out this article :


http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2289183,00.html

they will institute all kinds of new procedures (search cars, people, houses without warrants) and when the reason for this is, the world cup, is gone, the laws will stay.

What is there to investigate..?! :mad: it's obvious what's going on

This second article is pretty threatening, how the hell they just gonna come into ur house and search without warrant (then again it's already happening here....) this is BS! 10111 crime stop my asse! The police are the bloody criminals....g now I'm sommer Pissed off!

Well I'm outta here b4 year end come hell or high water, hiiting the road less travelled... :p

If it was a gypsy I was meant to become so be it...

:D

lumukanda
17-03-2008, 07:25 AM
half of me wants to leave, the other wants to stay. maybe i'll split the difference and go live in moz, if it all goes to shit, at least the beaches there are nice.

lateral_v
17-03-2008, 07:50 AM
half of me wants to leave, the other wants to stay. maybe i'll split the difference and go live in moz, if it all goes to shit, at least the beaches there are nice.


Never bin there, heard that is was amazing, friends of mine are doing property development there, holiday oc etc. Naughty little shit, teachers allways used to tell him how useless he was and how he'll get no where in life, they own Mike's Kithchen here currently, but I heard they wanna sell and move over to biz in Moz.
I actually don't live that far from the border, prop 600 km or so, will def go check it out soon. I heard that it get's incredebly hot in summer though?

think I'll mozy on down before winter, which to my understanding starts much later in moz. Think I'm sommer gonna plan our trip now...

I am very tempted to go to New Zealand have seen some pic's and OMG how beautiful.. Just trying to get more familiar with what's goin on there, but heard that there is alot of farm communities etc. I don't care what I'll do for molla, pic fruit, milk cows, hec I'll become a proper gypsy and take my guit with and sing for a living, or host puppet shows....:rolleyes:

'n boer maak 'n plan.....;)

Not that I'm a boer or much of anything spesific...I'd call myself a Cultural Potjiekos....!!

:D

lumukanda
17-03-2008, 08:06 AM
it is really hot and humid, really quite unlike anything i've ever experienced, but it's nice, the people are friendly (the cops are so corrupt they make ours look like angels though), there's very little violent crime and it's pretty cheap. you don't need a visa, just have your passport stamped at the border and you're in for 30 days. maputo's vert rundown but actually still very beautiful, but you really want to head up the coast, inhambane or even barra.
i don't think i could ever leave africa tbh, there's enough here to keep my busy for 10 lifetimes.

lateral_v
17-03-2008, 01:15 PM
I've received info from an insider that immigrated to New Zealand, apparently you don't need a visa to go there either, only a passport and then ur in there for 3months.

You know it's so funny how easily people find alternative view's for things such as this police raid, I was in a meeting this morn and they discused the topic, I think there was only one lady that was repulsed by the whole thing.( One person apart from me in about 15. The other people made excuses such as...Ja but the youth and the students today, they have to be watched, and apparently a while back something happenend at the University in Bloemfontein, and this now justifies the action these bastards took in Stellenbosch..
What astonishes me is that seemingly intelligent people just blatantly and blindly refuses to see the methods the cops used. I mean come on sheeple!! It really is frustrating to listen to the excuses they make....ah just trust the police, they there for our protection.....:eek: yeah RIGHT! Off course this will not matter to their narrow minded ignorant ways of exepting everything they are fed.... UNTIL off cours one of their children go out to a pub and something like this happens to them..


Then again how can you expect this from some adults? Even the Education system is screwd up, here in Rustenburg for instance a while ago, also broadcasted on Carte Blanche, there was that fight in the boys toilets, where the one boy beated another up very badly, and he ended up in Hospital.
This was big news!!

Guess what the punishment of the guilty little brat was??
He was expelled, but allowed to finish his matric exams, and worst of all!! He was allowed to carry on playing RUGBY!! (prob what made him such an aggresive macho little shit in the first place) :mad: He was supposedly a good player & his parent's off course had money....
....Probably F FreeMasons... This place is infested with them. The other day I was driving thinking of a documentary I watched, called Blair's biggest secret ft. Ickey also dealing with freemasonry.....and to my surprise at the stop street when I looked up, there at the bottom right hand corner of the 4x4infront of me, was the little conmpass sticker....Freaken Mason...

To get back to this school, I went to this school, Hoerskool Rustenburg, & what 'n kak experience!! I had a great deal of things happen to me there myself, though I didn't take much of the teacher's shit, and managed to perform quite well. The freaken School Pshycologist....was a total creep and the most unstable person I've possibly met in my life..NUTS man

My little sister 6 years younger than me, fell pregnant in matric, she finshed her exams etc. But she was harassed and bullied by other children, one boy actually threw her with a chair the one time, and when she went to this crazy so called phsycologist he told her that she was lying and that she was a little whore. (Though she'd been going out with this boy for bout 4 years by then, and as most happen the pregnancy was an accidant) He also made all sorts of alligations when my mom went in to see him....luckily the old lady is a bit brighter than that...and I've given her good insight as to what a shithole that place was..don't know why they sent her threre in the first place...

Ag I'm not gonna go into detail, however I'd also like to add that the headmaster was fired after a long bout after one of the teachers acused him of sexual harassment. He gave me the bloody creeps..:eek:

Another thing taht happens here becoz of how high the competitive vibes are regarding sports, is that students get bought.. When I went to grade 8, becoz of being such a good athlete they wanted to buy me....I know one can look at it and think well, it's like a bursary, but what if that child looses interest, then is basically forced to carry on with whatever sport it was they where bought for. And being pressured from such a young age, constantly to perform, the fun out of the sport dissapears and the passion is gone. I know I lost my passion for atheletics completely..

And ja, so this is the people that are raising children, and I'm sure this goes on most everywhere..

sigh...:(

I just wish people would start opening their eyes....

lumukanda
17-03-2008, 02:06 PM
look, i've got no problems with a raid, but that shit was ridiculous, punching girls, assaulting them, just bullshit. i've been in several raids in clubs and what usually happens is they switch on the lights, the cops tell you to sit where you are, and then they search from one side to the other, i don't like it, but i can live with that. but what gets me the most is that they either say it's 'normal procedure' or they just don't answer their phones, like nothing happened, you know i thought the fight against apartheid was also a fight against police who operate with impunity, to have a government (and all it's subsidiaries) that was honest, open and acted with respect (i mean we know that was never to be, but it's their words, not mine.).
and don't get me started on kids and school, one's as bad as the next.

follower
17-03-2008, 09:08 PM
hello my fellow black brother/ sister!!! lol!! :D

Did you guys see.....they broadcasted the stellenbosch police raid on Carte Blanche last night! Cool huh? Couldn't watch it myself :( But I'm really glad it's getting more attention

I really do appreciate that programm, they really do know how to dig up durt hey??

May the force be with you fellow citizanz!!

:D

nationalising the national sports teams....:eek:

lol Its brother. Yeah I saw that raid on youtube. Its disgusting, police state in action....

Nationalisation will be our downfall, it gives the goverment too much power.

mcmenek1
17-03-2008, 10:26 PM
One thing that I thought was funny, was his whole 46664 concert, the numbers where on display everysingle where...then they said nah but it was his jail cell number, and that seemed to be fine with everyone...

It just puzzle's me why they actually used this number...and advertised it everywhere.. If you check out mcmenek1's posts, you'll understand exactly how we are all manipulated by certain numbers...


Hi lateral_v,

Yeah the number 46664..... what struck me when I first seen that number was the number 666 jumps out at you......I think "The Powers That Be" are being very clever here, because they know when people see this number they will focus on the 666.......666 is the male energy vibration frequency this is the vibration frequency "The Powers That Be" love to promote while at the same time they suppress its balancing frequency 333 the female energy frequency......this has the effect of throwing us out of balance which disconnects us from a higher conscious wave length.....

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3/magicsunsquareku3.jpg

this image is called the magic sun square it is a numerical representation of the sun it is suppose to represent the suns attributes it energy its vibration......the 36 numbers in the square all add up to 666 this is seen as the suns vibration the male vibration.......the sun is seen as a male entity giving its energy to the female earth enabling life....... the Freemasons promote sun worship and the dominance of the male energy the vibration of 666.........the numbers 6 and 66 are also male vibration numbers.....

.................:)

Love
&
Peace

lateral_v
18-03-2008, 09:38 AM
Nationalisation will be our downfall, it gives the goverment too much power.


Yep centralization of power, that's the goal..... I don't believe it will materialise however, I believe in infinate possibilities.. Manipulation and corruption can only be pushed soo far, at some stage things will snap back and balance will be atained..

lateral_v
18-03-2008, 12:25 PM
Hi lateral_v,



Yeah the number 46664..... what struck me when I first seen that number was the number 666 jumps out at you......I think "The Powers That Be" are being very clever here, because they know when people see this number they will focus on the 666.......666 is the male energy vibration frequency this is the vibration frequency "The Powers That Be" love to promote while at the same time they suppress its balancing frequency 333 the female energy frequency......this has the effect of throwing us out of balance which disconnects us from a higher conscious wave length.....



http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3/magicsunsquareku3.jpg



this image is called the magic sun square it is a numerical representation of the sun it is suppose to represent the suns attributes it energy its vibration......the 36 numbers in the square all add up to 666 this is seen as the suns vibration the male vibration.......the sun is seen as a male entity giving its energy to the female earth enabling life....... the Freemasons promote sun worship and the dominance of the male energy the vibration of 666.........the numbers 6 and 66 are also male vibration numbers.....



.................:)



Love

&

Peace



Hey mcmenek1!



Thank you for that insite!



Hope ur well.. :D



Yes I knew they were up to something with this so called cell number, it's rediculous how people here are acting lately, it really seem like they are under some sort of "spell ", almost...:confused: Really rediculous things are happening all around and most are completely oblivious to it...:(



It surely explains why they blew up the number 4 666 4 with the Mandela concert, I mean it was a world wide celebration. I recall u mentioning the rediculous celebrations we have and what damage this actually it does beneath the surface, people really need to wake up to this, it's NOT superficial at all, all of this really makes perfect sense! And it is actually very practical as well. in what movie was it again? :confused: I think Christopher Walker played innit.... The one demon said...... "Maths is the key to the universe...."

Now 6, 66, 666, I understand is the vibration of the male/masculine/son energy And then is 3, 33, 333 the vibration of the female/feminine/earth energy..



Now according to numerolgy the 33 is the master number and 6 is the base number, right. A person experiencing this vibrational year will then fluctuate between the two. I think then it would be safe to say, that when in balance, the 6 would be the yang and the 33 (in this case numerogically) could serve as the yin energy.



So now what are the freemasons doing for example? We both know that 33 is the female energy, and here on earth, the PTB worship the sun/male energy by manipulating and harnessing the female energy through their rituals etc. (As uv'e explained in your link)

Could this be why they reach 33 degrees in masonry? So they are basically through the manipulation of the energies, robbing the number 3, 33 of its nature, and this has been creating the evil state of being we are all observing on earth. This really does explain why people are acting the way they are… And why there is such a huge sense of separation…



I have a very intriguing question I'd like to ask you in detail about the number 33, but I will address this to you a bit later in the "Why the number 33 thread?"

Many blessings of love and light

:p

mcmenek1
19-03-2008, 02:15 AM
Hey mcmenek1!



Thank you for that insite!



Hope ur well.. :D


Hey lateral_v,

I'm very well thanks :)......I hope life is being kind you :D........




Yes I knew they were up to something with this so called cell number, it's rediculous how people here are acting lately, it really seem like they are under some sort of "spell ", almost...:confused: Really rediculous things are happening all around and most are completely oblivious to it...:(

Yeah I know what you mean, well people are under a "spell".......the majority of people are out of balance, the female energy in them is low and the male energy in them is high, these people are vibrating to the male frequency of 666 instead of the balanced frequency of 999, they are in left brain mode instead of balanced left & right brain mode, thats why they can't see the full picture of whats going on, they can't connect with the higher vibrations because they are on a different wave length......they are completely oblivious because they can't see it........the fact you intuitively knew they where up to something with the number shows that you were making a higher vibrational connection to what was really going on......great stuff!!!......:D


It surely explains why they blew up the number 4 666 4 with the Mandela concert, I mean it was a world wide celebration. I recall u mentioning the rediculous celebrations we have and what damage this actually it does beneath the surface, people really need to wake up to this, it's NOT superficial at all, all of this really makes perfect sense! And it is actually very practical as well. in what movie was it again? :confused: I think Christopher Walker played innit.... The one demon said...... "Maths is the key to the universe...."

Yeah this is so true "Maths is the key to the universe"....... numbers are vibration frequencies and these vibration frequencies are manifesting the universe and everything in it......if you break everything down to vibration frequencies you can see how every thing fits together, you can see that everything has a natural balance to it, one frequency will balance out another frequency......"The Powers That Be" have been using their knowledge of this to upset the natural balance in the 3rd dimension of duality by manipulating the vibration frequencies to have control over us....


Now 6, 66, 666, I understand is the vibration of the male/masculine/son energy And then is 3, 33, 333 the vibration of the female/feminine/earth energy..

Now according to numerolgy the 33 is the master number and 6 is the base number, right. A person experiencing this vibrational year will then fluctuate between the two. I think then it would be safe to say, that when in balance, the 6 would be the yang and the 33 (in this case numerogically) could serve as the yin energy.

Yes thats correct, the ideal is to achieve balance with the male and the female energies, the majority of people need to bring the female (yin) energies of 3, 33 & 333 into their lives to attain balance and thus raise their vibration so they can once again reconnect with the higher conscious awareness.....



So now what are the freemasons doing for example? We both know that 33 is the female energy, and here on earth, the PTB worship the sun/male energy by manipulating and harnessing the female energy through their rituals etc. (As uv'e explained in your link)

Could this be why they reach 33 degrees in masonry? So they are basically through the manipulation of the energies, robbing the number 3, 33 of its nature, and this has been creating the evil state of being we are all observing on earth. This really does explain why people are acting the way they are… And why there is such a huge sense of separation…

Yes exactly!!........The Freemasons want to create a reality where we are all out of balance and disconnected from the higher conscious awareness so they can control us and play one person off against another......the only people who will be connected to a higher conscious awareness in their ideal Freemasonic reality will be the 33 degree Freemasons because they know how everything works and the will bring the balancing energies into their lives.......for example a 33 degree Freemason could live in a house with the number 66 in the address......a friend of mine had his car hit by the car of a high ranking Freemason, when my friend was on the phone sorting out the insurance details I over heard the address of the Freemason......and guess what!!!...... his house number was 66.........the 33 degree Freemason would be influenced through dark ritual by inter dimensional entities to use his higher conscious awareness to control and manipulate......



Take care lateral_v...........:p:D

Love
&
Peace

lateral_v
14-04-2008, 11:49 AM
Hey you guys, check this out this has been circulating around work lately relating to pension after 2010 in South Africa

South Africa: How New Pension Will Affect You
Cape Argus (Cape Town)
24 February 2007
Posted to the web 24 February 2007
Bruce Cameron
Cape Town
Everyone from domestic workers to chief executives of top companies will have to sign up for a new government-controlled national retirement fund that could be in place by as early as 2010.
The fund is part of a total overhaul of the current retirement saving system to bring South Africa in line with social security nets provided in most developed countries.
The government's objective is to ensure that every working South Africa will have a liveable pension at retirement equal to at least 40% of a final month's wage or salary.
Broad details of the comprehensive, complex and far reaching plans of government to improve the lives of mainly lower-income people were announced by Minister of Finance Trevor Manuel and senior members of his National Treasury team yesterday.
The backbone of the new plan will be the introduction of a social security tax which will cost you up to 15% of your income to a maximum of about R750 a month.
But this does not mean your take-home pay will necessarily be reduced. What the government intends to do is reduce the amount you are currently paying to an occupational retirement fund (such as an employer-sponsored fund).
Your contributions (plus the investment growth) to the proposed fund will remain your money and will not be shared with anyone else. The principle that is being applied is the same for current defined contribution retirement funds where each member's accumulated savings plus investment growth are kept in a separate account.
For lower-income workers, who cannot afford the contributions, the government intends to put up to R30 billion a year into the fund by way of wage subsidies.
The membership of the fund will come at two levels - a compulsory contribution level and then a compulsory choice level. With the second level you will have the choice of making compulsory contributions to the proposed fund or to an occupational fund or a retirement annuity provided by the financial services industry.
Then there will be a third voluntary top-up level of contributions using occupational or financial service industry funds. This optional top-up level is being provided to give you the opportunity to maintain your living standards in retirement.
Three other major proposed changes are:
A restructuring of the retirement tax system. The main target will be the current tax-incentivised saving system which is based on allowing you to deduct contributions to a retirement fund at a rate of up to 15% of your pensionable income. This system, however, favours the rich as the more you earn and the more you save the greater the tax deduction in rand terms. Against this the poor receive no benefits as they earn wages lower than the tax-paying threshold. The incentive system will be maintained but caps will be placed to halt the current "rich-get-richer" structure.
You will no longer be allowed to cash in your retirement savings if you resign, are fired or retrenched from your job when the new system is implemented. The current ability to take your money as a lump sum before retirement is seen as the single biggest reason why most South Africans retire in poverty.
At retirement you will have to use at least two-thirds of your accumulated retirement savings to provide for a guaranteed monthly pension for life. This means that provident funds, which permit you to take all your retirement savings as a lump sum, will be phased out.
Manuel and his senior officials were at pains yesterday to give the assurance that existing rights such as taking provident fund benefits as a lump sum at retirement will not be lost. This means provident fund members will be able to withdraw any money they have accrued before the implementation of the new scheme as a lump sum when they retire"

Another REdiculous thing I've read was about the plan to bring in a braai permit reason being
Global Warming......yeah right, wether this is true or an april fools joke we'll have to see...
I am trying to load the article and will post it as soon as imageshack allow's me to do so...

lumukanda
14-04-2008, 01:23 PM
thats should go down well, like hell i trust the government with my money, it'll end up like the compensation commisioner and the road accident fund, completely fucked, i mean could you imagine? you retire one year and 5 years later you're still waiting.

a braai permit? they'll never get that passed, thats one thing that unites ALL south africans, a beer and a braai, or as i heard it called the weekend, 'n dop en 'n tjop.
it'll prolly be like a tv license, pay once a year.

deliciously_fresh
14-04-2008, 03:15 PM
A braai? :confused:

lumukanda
14-04-2008, 03:25 PM
A braai? :confused:
south africa's national pasttime, the braai.

Braai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.biltongmakers.com/Braai-02.jpg
(even by sa standards, the pic above is one hell of a big braai.

deliciously_fresh
14-04-2008, 03:47 PM
south africa's national pasttime, the braai.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braai

http://www.biltongmakers.com/Braai-02.jpg
(even by sa standards, the pic above is one hell of a big braai.

Oh right. Thanks. :)

lateral_v
15-04-2008, 07:42 AM
thats should go down well, like hell i trust the government with my money, it'll end up like the compensation commisioner and the road accident fund, completely fucked, i mean could you imagine? you retire one year and 5 years later you're still waiting.

a braai permit? they'll never get that passed, thats one thing that unites ALL south africans, a beer and a braai, or as i heard it called the weekend, 'n dop en 'n tjop.
it'll prolly be like a tv license, pay once a year.

Trust the “Government”.......:eek:

From the latin word “gubermare” and the Greek “kuberman” meaning “to controle” and “mente” meaning “mind”

Government = The controle of the mind.

Well as they say alot of water still has to run under the bridge, before the goverment can actually implement such rule(pension) .... but personnelly I believe any BS is possible here. I mean what was President MBeki's comment on the situation in Zimbabwe..?? "No crisis there...??"

I'm still trying to upload that article about the braai, i also think it won't materialise, but it runs something like this, R80 for a permit for 3 months, or R10 for one braai but then you have to stipulate a date on which you wanna braai. If they catch you without a permit you can get a fine for up to as much as R500. The bill will be enforced by the department of enviromental affairs and tourism's enviromental management inspectors (the green Scorpions) The bill has been circulated for comment amongst enviromental groups but has not yet been published for public comment.

Like I've mentioned b4, maybe it's an April Fool, but then again this is South Africa.....:confused:

lumukanda
15-04-2008, 07:59 AM
it's an april fool's hoax, check out the link below.

http://www.theherald.co.za/herald/2008/04/02/news/n10_02042008.htm

yeah, mbekis comments are actually quite laughable tbh, but you know there is so much more to this whole zimbabwe thing, britain has a huge part to play, but then again that is according to plan as far as i'm concerned, it's the same old divide and conquer trick, and damn it works so well.

lumukanda
15-04-2008, 09:02 AM
here's something i just realised.
we all know that the tension between the mbeki and the zuma factions has never been higher, even though they downplay it constantly, but notice how what the zuma camp has now gone public (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2305928,00.html) saying that zim is a shitstorm.
think that maybe this is something brewing? some ammo for the zuma camp, i'm still under the impression that zuma is at the centre of something big that will happen in south africa.

lateral_v
19-04-2008, 06:04 AM
here's something i just realised.
we all know that the tension between the mbeki and the zuma factions has never been higher, even though they downplay it constantly, but notice how what the zuma camp has now gone public (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2305928,00.html) saying that zim is a shitstorm.
think that maybe this is something brewing? some ammo for the zuma camp, i'm still under the impression that zuma is at the centre of something big that will happen in south africa.

Yep I'd say most def that something is brewing.......Last year sometime I met a African Lady while having a pint at Dros with one of my friends. She was there on business and was dwelling around with glass of wine in her hand, she asked for a light from my friend after which I said to her.. "Ke rata moriri" (I like your hair) and a few other lines of tswana that i know, she was so surprised at the fact that I could speak her language that she sat down. She then told us that she works for the municipality, but that she used to work for the Government. She was at Dross at a meeting and said that she was sick of the people and it appeared to me that she was seriously venting. She explained to my friend and I what Mbeki's house looked like inside etc. She claimed that she knew Mandela, Mbeki and Zuma personnally, She said Mandela was a very kind warm hearted person, however she said that Mbeki was one of the coldest emotionless people she have met in her life....BUT that if Zuma had to become president she would get the hell out of the country. Looking at this article though now Zuma appears to be in the supportive roll when it applies to Zimbabwe, and Mbeki appeares to be ignorant, if you ask me...They are trying to put Zuma in a positive light, and downplay Mbeki to the public...

O so the braai permit thing is a hoax.....thought so, just sounded a bit too silly...

To get back to the pension thing...this has circulated


Newsflash
Applicable to all members of the various
Retirement/Pension/Provident Funds within Anglo Platinum
“Don’t resign or withdraw your retirement benefits – your benefits are safe.”
National Reform for Retirement Funds
Many of our members have reacted quite strongly to an email circulating pertaining to an
article written by Bruce Cameron of Personal Finance regarding the retirement fund reform
process (published in numerous independent newspapers in February last year). A lot of what
was covered in these articles were read out of context and interpreted incorrectly. Mr.
Cameron has responded to this misinformation campaign in the latest edition of Personal
Finance on 12 April 2008.
This newsflash aims to clarify the current national reform process and to remind members that
what is written in the media about the reform process is in most cases pure
speculation as clarity will only be attained once the final legislation is promulgated.
The Facts are:
The Government is busy with a process of Retirement Reform. National Treasury have released
two Discussion Papers and Department of Social Development has issued one. At the moment
the South African retirement system consists of 3 pillars:
1. the State Old Age Pension (SOAP),
2. pension/provident funds in the public and private sectors (similar to the fund you
belong to) and
3. individual voluntary private provision (like retirement annuities).
The retirement reform process’ main aim is to introduce a fourth pillar: the National
Savings Fund (NSF), also referred to as the National Social Security Fund. As part of
the process, a complete overhaul of the Income Tax Act relating to retirement provision is also
looked at. An inter-ministerial task team has more recently been established to drive the
process. Public and institutional comment has been invited.
Currently very few South Africans have any form of retirement provision and have to rely on
the State for SOAP. This is at tax-payers’ cost. It is so far proposed that the NSF will extend to
all employed, also in the small and medium business areas, contract workers, domestics
workers, informal labour, seasonal workers, etc.
Some of the main concepts that are being highlighted in the proposed retirement reform
include:
compulsory retirement provision for all South Africans;
forced preservation of retirement benefits when members change their employment;
changes to tax treatment of contributions and fund benefits;
introduction of benefits for the unemployed;
wage subsidies for employers;
compulsory annuitisation at retirement;
possible opt out provisions for large/industry Funds;
improved governance measures;
credible licensed service providers;
cost ratio limits for retirement vehicles;
updated investment regulations.
Like any major change, the devil will be in the detail. Industry, Labour, Business and Funds
are all already part of these discussion processes, as are your Funds. It would be foolish for
permanently employed South Africans (like yourselves) to overreact at this early stage,
based on a press article or ill-informed emails. We would like to assure you that all
stakeholders are involved in the process and will be able to contribute to the final outcome.
As mentioned in previous articles published in the RetirementFundamentals newsletter, the
national retirement reform process is a process of positive change which aims to introduce
additional retirement provisions to allow all South Africans the opportunity to save
adequately for retirement. The real impact on institutional funds, such as yours, will only
really be known once the final legislation is promulgated. The target date for
implementation was set for around 2010. However, this may not be practical and parties are
already talking about a phased approach and final implementation only after that.
Your Trustees have taken note of the reform developments, and are monitoring
developments on an ongoing basis. As and when more developments are known, we will
continue to keep you informed via our newsflashes and newsletters.
Issued by: Mark de Klerk, Manager Retirement Funds and Principal Officer
17 April 2008

My opinion: Waar daar 'n rokie is is daar 'n vuurkie.....;) (It has been put on the table...)

The plan is to make SA a socialistic country (Which it pretty much is already) this is just another method unfolding slowly according to plan....

Hey I might be wrong.....and then again maybe NOT....:confused:

lumukanda
19-04-2008, 08:29 AM
Yep I'd say most def that something is brewing.......Last year sometime I met a African Lady while having a pint at Dros with one of my friends. She was there on business and was dwelling around with glass of wine in her hand, she asked for a light from my friend after which I said to her.. "Ke rata moriri" (I like your hair) and a few other lines of tswana that i know, she was so surprised at the fact that I could speak her language that she sat down. She then told us that she works for the municipality, but that she used to work for the Government. She was at Dross at a meeting and said that she was sick of the people and it appeared to me that she was seriously venting. She explained to my friend and I what Mbeki's house looked like inside etc. She claimed that she knew Mandela, Mbeki and Zuma personnally, She said Mandela was a very kind warm hearted person, however she said that Mbeki was one of the coldest emotionless people she have met in her life....BUT that if Zuma had to become president she would get the hell out of the country. Looking at this article though now Zuma appears to be in the supportive roll when it applies to Zimbabwe, and Mbeki appeares to be ignorant, if you ask me...They are trying to put Zuma in a positive light, and downplay Mbeki to the public...


you know, it's the same old trick, give people a choice that's not really a choice. mbeki's mother gave an interview shortly after he became president and told him that the one thing he needed to do was listen, because according to her, he doesn't. he is a very cold person, you can just see it.

zuma on the other hand seems like a very warm person, but is corrupt as they come, and i'm sorry, trial by media etc etc, still doesn't change the fact that he has some dodgy, dodgy friends (and if he's got nothing to hide, why is he and the arms company engaged in a court battle in mauritius to stop the release of potentially damning paperwork?), i sometimes get the feeling he's like george bush, a face with no real power, a puppet being controlled from behind the scenes, but i fear that's not true. it was zuma who was the chosen one to engage the NP when the ANC and the NP had 'secret' negotiations in the late 80's, so he's not stupid.

but you're right, south africa is heading towards some kind of socialism, but i don't think it's real socialism tbh, otherwise we'd have some kind of venezuala or zim style upsets, and tbh even those imo are mere pretexts to the one world state thats coming.

one thing i do find interesting is how the media in south africa make out like the only people opposed to the unilaterlism of the ANC are whites, but even by my own experience, i find massive black resistance to the 'new' ANC.

lateral_v
22-09-2008, 02:48 PM
Oki dokes....and here we are.....Mbeki's to step down...and well Zuma is standing in line....
Is anyone surprised? :confused:

Lumukanda, I know you're NOT surprised.....;)
It doesn’t require a genius to see these things coming from a mile away way ahead.....

So Mbeki got fired ey? You know, not to long ago with the whole Zimbabwe commotion when the media stated that Mbeki said there was no "situation" in Zim....:confused: and "appropriately" Zuma was concerned(and let's not forget Zuma's "appropriate and very well timed" comment on the poor homeless white people situation not too long ago)... It doesn't matter much that he was charged with rape and fraud not too long agoeither........whether or not he was found guilty is irrelevant really.... Any descent person responsible for the well being of a country would not even think twice but to dispose of anyone in a governmental position with these type of elagtions against them... I mean South Africa is RICH with talent and surely there'd be a respectable candidate to fill take his place......

Oh well... There I go again....fantasizing of a country/world that actually makes sense......:rolleyes: I mean it is no news to anyone that our/most of the worlds governments are corrupt, heck.... Wackhead Simpson made a joke the other day that all the government officials should get community service because they're all a bunch of crooks anyways...." This is not even a secret anymore..... How is it then....... that the MAJORITY of
US....especially US SOUTH AFRICANS laugh shrug our shoulders and just carry on with our daily bouts, knowing that our country is going to hell, EVEN though: The majority of the citizens DO not approve!!! Be it black, white, Indian, colored, purple, pink yellow.....Come on this racism thing is getting a bit worn out now....:rolleyes:

One has to wonder how these things are accomplished in such a way that most just go......yeah ok......?

Remember David Icke mentioning how that we get hypnotized by the media & news readers? Ever wondered what that meant or how it's done.....?
Well here is some insight......you know what? All you need to be is aware of these methods..... That's all....the only thing really counting against us is our ignorance....

So check this out...
First of all let's catch up with the news:
Why Mbeki was fired
22/09/2008 11:20 - (SA)


Moffet Mofokeng, Caiphus Kgosana and Sabelo Ndlangisa

Pretoria - Deputy-president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka is set to lead an exodus of cabinet ministers who are unhappy with the ANC national executive committee (NEC) decision to axe President Thabo Mbeki.

Despite this, ANC president Jacob Zuma is expected to reassure ANC deployees in government that the party wants them to remain in their positions.

This comes after the decision of the all-powerful ANC NEC to sack Mbeki following Judge Chris Nicholson's ruling that suggested that Mbeki, or some in his executive, might have interfered with the National Prosecuting Authority's decision to charge Zuma.

Although it is generally accepted that Nicholson's ruling has impugned the integrity of cabinet, it is the decision of cabinet and the NPA to appeal the judge's ruling that forced the ANC to fire Mbeki.

Zuma's case

ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe said the Nicholson judgment had provided the ANC with the opportunity to put an end to Zuma's legal woes.

"The biggest worry for us is the question of the reversal of the possible closure of that chapter," Mantashe said.

"That case, in our view, is not in the public or national interest. If the case is pursued, it will continue to be a point of division in the ANC. That's the main issue," he said.

City Press can reveal that Mlambo-Ngcuka has told her colleagues in cabinet and some top officials in the presidency that she will resign the moment Mbeki hands over his resignation letter.

"Mlambo-Ngcuka has always been the embodiment of this conspiracy against Zuma. After all, she is Bulelani's (the former NPA boss) wife. She has been under siege from the day she took over as deputy president. Half the ministers are going to follow her," a senior official in the presidency said.

Some of the ministers who are expected to quit when Mbeki resigns are his right-hand man, Essop Pahad, Public Works Minister Thoko Didiza, her colleague at public enterprises, Alec Erwin, Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang and Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri.

Painful

Finance Minister Trevor Manuel has already indicated that he will stay on despite earlier rumours that he would follow Mbeki.

Mlambo-Ngcuka, who was appointed Mbeki's deputy after Zuma's axing in 2005, has in the past wanted to resign because of the hostility she endured from Zuma's supporters but Mbeki urged her to stay on.

At the heated NEC meeting in Kempton Park this weekend, a number of ministers - among them Education Minister Naledi Pandor and Foreign Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma - and Mbeki's policy guru, Joel Netshitenzhe, argued for Mbeki to be allowed to serve out his term in vain.

"Trevor (Manuel) never said a word. Nkosazana (Dlamini-Zuma) was very incoherent. Zola Skweyiya said that it was very painful for him. He said: 'I have known this man for too long. It is painful'," another NEC member reported.

On the other hand, Transport Minister Jeff Radebe, Housing Minister Lindiwe Sisulu, businessman Tokyo Sexwale, SACP boss Blade Nzimande and ANC Youth League president Julius Malema successfully argued for Mbeki's removal from office.

Sympathy resignation

Malema, according to some NEC members, went as far as to threaten to mobilise the youth if the ANC NEC failed to fire Mbeki.

Another source said Sexwale told the meeting: "We can't live another day with this man."

Zuma, who met Mbeki on Friday, told the meeting that Mbeki should be allowed fly to the United Nations to represent the country and only resign on his return.

Pahad has indicated that he will resign in sympathy with Mbeki.

He said though he had not discussed it with Mbeki, he had personally decided to go if the president was asked to leave office.

"I was appointed by him and therefore if he resigns I shall also resign," he said.

"I don't think it has been correct. I think much later they will recognise his great legacy, there's no doubt about that. He has been a great leader of the ANC and a great leader of this country. Even if some people don't recognise it now, they will certainly recognise it in time to come"

Ok let's have a look at ZUMA and well his not to distant history....

Zuma's long path to the court

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2369676,00.html

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2396892,00.html

Final nail

A September 12 court ruling that threw out graft charges against Zuma on a technicality, hinting that Mbeki's government had interfered in the decision to prosecute him, was the final nail in the president's coffin.

Political analyst Dirk Kotze said Mbeki, who could have faced a vote of no confidence or impeachment, had taken the smoothest exit.

"The option to resign is the most graceful exit," he said. "The other two options would have been a humiliation for him."

As a pioneer of the idea of an "African renaissance", Mbeki lacks a popular support base at home but has worked hard negotiating political crises, most notably that across the border in Zimbabwe.

Long pilloried for his "quiet diplomacy" approach to Zimbabwe during a political and economical collapse in that country, Mbeki got the country's leaders to sign a historic power-sharing pact on the same day that his fate was sealed by the Zuma judgment.

Elected president in 1999, Mbeki also won respect for delivering the football World Cup for South Africa in 2010.

But his dalliance with dissident Aids theories was blamed by many for the slow roll-out of state-sponsored therapy.

Ok so regardless of the fact that this man, NO DOUBT cannot be trusted, he however is next in line to become president of South Africa (yeah yeha I know....so what's new, just look at BUSH & Blair..etc. etc)
BUT how can so many people just say.....hey it doesn't seem right BUT OK....

Well, the thing is we get programmed subliminally especially by the news and the media, this is done through frequency....see we are very much engaged in a frequency game on planet earth at this stage in time... And the only way to stop this bollocks is to awaken to this and especially to reconnect with our sub-conscious, because this is were ideas get implanted and after all our sub-conscious is the creator of our reality....

Please take a look at the following link, also you can read more posts by mcmeneck1 as this will give you alot of insight...

http://mcmenek1.spiritual-nature.com/

So you should know now that "The powers that be" use the numbers: 3;9;11 (and all it's harmonics eg. 22;33;44;55;66;77;88) to programme us sub-conscioussly, REMEMBER these numbers represent vibrations...
With regardxs to 9/11

mcmeneck1 on 9/11:
I’ve had a look at the vibration frequencies of the World Trade Centre and Pentagon attacks and it makes very interesting reading.......... if we take the names of the places that were attacked first of all.....World = 9.....Trade = 3......Centre = 11...... Pentagon = 11...... these attacks were planned years ago and these buildings were deliberately given names with a certain vibration frequency that could be exploited in the future by having negativity attached to their vibration frequencies, in this case the numbers 3, 9 & 11....... the number 3 being connected to female energy, the number 9 being connected to balance, harmony and the love vibration and the number 11 being connected to the light vibration.......

World = 9
Trade = 3
Centre = 11
Pentagon = 11

The four planes that were high jacked were......

American Airlines Flight 11 with 11 crew and 81 passengers (8 + 1 = 9) all 92 occupants died (9 + 2 = 11)

United Airlines Flight 175 with 9 crew and 56 passengers (5 + 6 = 11) all 65 occupants died (6 + 5 = 11)
175 (1 + 7 + 5 = 13).....1 + 3 = 4 there could be a lower 4th dimensional entity thing going on here harnessing the negativity created by this

American Airlines Flight 77 with 6 crew and 58 passengers all 64 occupants died

United Airlines Flight 93 (9 + 3 = 12.....1 + 2 = 3 ) with 7 crew and 37 passengers all 44 occupants died......

The numbers of the airplanes, the crew, the passengers and the occupants who died were deliberately chosen because of the negativity that could be attached to the vibration frequencies of the numbers involved........

The total deaths on the day from the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon came to 2974 ( 2 + 9 + 7 + 4 = 22 ) with 55 of those being military personnel who died at the Pentagon.......22 & 55 are harmonics of 11 the light vibration frequency......

This negative event was a mass subconscious programming ritual for the whole world, the negativity attached to the vibration frequencies involved would have been drummed in to the subconscious minds of people all over the world from TV and radio news reports and the news papers, continuously day after day........lowering everyone’s vibration frequency and throwing them out of balance, the end result being to disconnect us all from a higher conscious state of awareness.......

Most people now associate the number vibrations of 9 & 11 with death and destruction when in fact the opposite is true, 9 & 11 are the number vibrations of love & light......

See more posts to ellaborate on how these methods are used to programme us....

Vibration & Negative Events http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1979
Movie: "The Happening" http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29943
46664 Madiba's (Vibrational frequency of 3) AIDS campaign
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=439560&postcount=16


It's no wonder that Phythagoras is one of the Mason's main influences....:)

So well let's get back to Zuma....

J A C O B Z U M A
19+ 1 +3 + 6 + 2 + 26+ 21 + 13 +1
= 92
= 9 + 2
= 11 Well, well....

The vibrational frequency of "light" he is NOTHING but another PUPPET with the"right" name and with the "appropriate" vibrational frequency...

So to make a looooooooong story short..... "Watch this space..." ;)


Love

&

Light

lumukanda
22-09-2008, 03:05 PM
great post, we are in for a seriously interesting ride here....

tyler
22-09-2008, 03:19 PM
Do they all get to keep their Mercedes limos when they resign? I presume they have a pension for life too?

Who will Mbeki end up working for? African Enron? Carlisle Group? British America Tobacco? Rothschilds? De Beers?

lumukanda
22-09-2008, 03:47 PM
probably the UN actually....

lateral_v
22-09-2008, 03:47 PM
great post, we are in for a seriously interesting ride here....



aaag dankie meneer..... :o & yup only thing is will any of this be a surprise?

Love

&

Light

lumukanda
22-09-2008, 03:55 PM
not to us, but the average person is just getting more and more worked up, especially when old julius malema opens his mouth....

tusme
22-09-2008, 09:17 PM
Hey guys!

Just thought I'd let you know...Zuma's acquittal on fraud charges and Mbeki's resignation, are more than likely related...and if you asked me, it's not entirely the Truth, that the ANC executive voted him out...!

He was "kicked" out by the (Global) illuminati or their equivalent in SA...

Zuma's acquittal was an indication to Mbeki and all in SA politics, who possessed the real power in SA...and very likely, all of Africa!

If you ain't noticed it yet, like Mbeki, alot of other World leaders are being ousted... Why? because they all "failed" their illuminati masters!

Put it this way, if Zuma wasn't acquitted last week, Mbeki surely wouldn't have been resigning now, would he...!?

Of-course not! hmm, well ,there's your answer!

Good Luck!

Cheers!

lumukanda
22-09-2008, 09:28 PM
oh they are linked, the official version is that mbeki plotted against zuma by using his influence to have zuma prosecuted, the slightly less official version is that it's a tit for tat for mbeki sacking zuma as vice president in 2005, and of course the completely unoffical version is that south africa needs a shake up, a la NWO.
i have friend who has intelligence connections who have said for years that zuma would be used to create chaos in south africa, that's certainly happened, and whereas i have no doubt that south africa is a british colony to this day (just the other day we cancelled a whole bunch of contracts with russia), i wouldn't be surprised to see south africa become an unpopular country in the next few years.
south africa and zimbabwe are very important to the illuminati, hence the non stop meddling.

tusme
22-09-2008, 09:37 PM
oh they are linked, the official version is that mbeki plotted against zuma by using his influence to have zuma prosecuted, the slightly less official version is that it's a tit for tat for mbeki sacking zuma as vice president in 2005, and of course the completely unoffical version is that south africa needs a shake up, a la NWO.
i have friend who has intelligence connections who have said for years that zuma would be used to create chaos in south africa, that's certainly happened, and whereas i have no doubt that south africa is a british colony to this day (just the other day we cancelled a whole bunch of contracts with russia), i wouldn't be surprised to see south africa become an unpopular country in the next few years.
south africa and zimbabwe are very important to the illuminati, hence the non stop meddling.
Hi Lumukanda,

Good post...I agree!

Both Mbeki & Zuma are merely puppets for the illuminati...as is much of SA politics!

What you guys need to do is, to wake up the SA people...concentrating your efforts on one or 2 individuals will only slow down your efforts in trying to oppose your enslavement...

Especially your education systems, it's very important you guys get motivated/mobilised...otherwise, with Zuma all set to take over, it's almost already too late for you guys...!!

Cheers!

lumukanda
23-09-2008, 07:42 AM
well it didn't take long.
it's not secret that africa is in it up to the neck with china, especially interesting is the south african chinese community's recent status as 'previously disadvantaged', opening the door for them to all kinds of BEE (Black Economic Empowerment) deals.

Zuma could open door for China (http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-25_2398076)

South Africa has so far had less exposure to China than other African countries, but if Jacob Zuma becomes president greater emphasis could be placed on relations with the East.
Thabo Mbeki, who on Sunday announced his resignation as president, has always been mistrustful of the Chinese and their possible exploitation of Africa, but Zuma seems better disposed towards the Chinese, says Daniel Silke, an independent political analyst.

China's interest in Africa is becoming ever more evident with the burgeoning global demand for scarce raw materials, resources and commodities, Silke told the Master Builders of South Africa convention on Monday.

The Chinese enter into raw material transactions with different countries in exchange for thousands upon thousands of dollars' worth of infrastructure.

According to Silke, the Chinese impose no conditions in regard to political or other reforms on these countries.

tusme
23-09-2008, 12:06 PM
well it didn't take long.
it's not secret that africa is in it up to the neck with china, especially interesting is the south african chinese community's recent status as 'previously disadvantaged', opening the door for them to all kinds of BEE (Black Economic Empowerment) deals.
Hi Lumukanda,

My advice...as important as it may be, observing all the "illuminati players" (US, Europe, China, Russia, even Africa itself), it is even more important for you, the people of SA, to step out of the "box"...only when you're able to see the "battelfield" at that level (from the outside, in), will you be able to see the BEAST, "quietly" & "discreetly" going about it's intentions...ie, enslaving you all...!

It is not my intention to be a scaremonger...but, for a very long time, we've been warned by people like David Icke and others...!

So my friend, depending on the level you want deal with this issue...the choice is yours...

Furthermore, I'm no fortune-teller, far from it...all I use is the Truth gift...like most other "messengers" in the past (and people like david Icke & others), it allows one the opportunity to see into the future...

And what I see, are a bunch of bullies, all jostling for an advantage...some of them, are even being allowed to get to a certain level (in this case, China and it's business in Africa)...

When the stage (for the bulllies) is all set (don't ask me when)...the "mother of all battles" will begin, and then, it will be a "winner takes all" kind of scenario...the illuminati, if they win, they'll eventually achieve their goal, of enslaving all of humanity...!

I hope that has help seeing abit of what is really going on...!?

Otherwise, Good Luck! ;) ...we're all gonna need it! :)

Take it easy!

Cheers

cheesedanish
23-09-2008, 12:14 PM
Do you think they will join Zim and SA to become one country?
With Zim adopting SA currency? What do you think? I think
that is the reason for this whole Govt of Nat. Unity - so-called?
As no way Mugabe won that election and he still stands at President.
I think they are protecting him and keeping him to play a role in
possibly uniting Zim with SA? What do you think?

tusme
23-09-2008, 12:28 PM
Do you think they will join Zim and SA to become one country?
With Zim adopting SA currency? What do you think? I think
that is the reason for this whole Govt of Nat. Unity - so-called?
As no way Mugabe won that election and he still stands at President.
I think they are protecting him and keeping him to play a role in
possibly uniting Zim with SA? What do you think?
Hi Cheesedanish,

Whats more important for you, enslavement or whether SA or Zim becomes one...!?

Sorry, I don't wish to be negative or nasty...but this is exactly what I'm saying about stepping out the "box"...and seeing the "Big Picture"...the one they (the illuminati and their puppets) are really hoping you won't see...!

Cheers!

cheesedanish
23-09-2008, 12:42 PM
Hi Tusme,

Well half of Zimbabwe is already living enslaved lives here in SA - the
rest are starving in Zim. What I was pondering was is this a move
toward or the beginning of Africa Unity the PTB are pushing for?

tusme
23-09-2008, 12:52 PM
Hi Tusme,

Well half of Zimbabwe is already living enslaved lives here in SA - the
rest are starving in Zim. What I was pondering was is this a move
toward or the beginning of Africa Unity the PTB are pushing for?
Hi Cheesedanish,

I personally couldn't tell whether it is or not...I usually look for clues in the outcomes of situations, ie, this Mbeki/Zuma affair...it's the one thing they cannot hide or keep a secret...the outcome that is...! They try to, but it's now so obvious...they're all starting to look like secondhand car salesmen... :D

Also, since SA, is considered a "Big Player" in Africa...if their concentration is about conquoring Africa, then SA will natural be, one of their first targets...otherwise, your analysis may well be spot on...!

Cheers!

lumukanda
23-09-2008, 02:32 PM
hey cheesedanish, long time!
if you look all over the world there are all kinds of little political turmoils going on, i think it's just south africa's turn, i think it's all there to futher the global plan, but in the process keeps everyone on an uneven footing.
in south africa we see the zuma/mbeki thing playing off and no one can stop talking about it, but it also plays into another bigger south african thing, racism. it's part distraction...
mbeki is seen as pro-west/capitalist and zuma is seen as africanist/socialist, even though if you listen to the zuma camp (ANCYL, COSATU, SACP) their wording is straight out of a bad cold war movie, 'deployed cadres in the national democratic revolution', 'counter revolutionary', all terms from communism, which is a western creation.
but whether or not we're moving towards a United States of Africa (and we are imo), it's all just a precursor to a global government, it's all about centralisation, less people controlling more people.

tusme
23-09-2008, 02:50 PM
hey cheesedanish, long time!
if you look all over the world there are all kinds of little political turmoils going on, i think it's just south africa's turn, i think it's all there to futher the global plan, but in the process keeps everyone on an uneven footing.
in south africa we see the zuma/mbeki thing playing off and no one can stop talking about it, but it also plays into another bigger south african thing, racism. it's part distraction...
mbeki is seen as pro-west/capitalist and zuma is seen as africanist/socialist, even though if you listen to the zuma camp (ANCYL, COSATU, SACP) their wording is straight out of a bad cold war movie, 'deployed cadres in the national democratic revolution', 'counter revolutionary', all terms from communism, which is a western creation.
but whether or not we're moving towards a United States of Africa (and we are imo), it's all just a precursor to a global government, it's all about centralisation, less people controlling more people.
Hi Lumukanda,

Hmm...you got the picture...! ;)

Now, as a "Great Messenger" once said to his followers...go out and spread the Truth...! :)

Cheers!

lumukanda
23-09-2008, 02:59 PM
....and just to add to the unease, most of mbeki's cabinet have resigned today, south africans are being urged not to panic, which of course makes people panic.
they're fucking clever, got to give them that....

tusme
23-09-2008, 03:29 PM
....and just to add to the unease, most of mbeki's cabinet have resigned today, south africans are being urged not to panic, which of course makes people panic.
they're fucking clever, got to give them that....
Hi Lumukanda,

I wish there was more I could do for you and your people...!

All I can say to you, is, the Truth shall set us free...if not in this dimension, then it certainly will in the next...!

So, keep speaking it, keeping knowing and indeed, keep being it...!

Take it easy and Good Luck!

Cheers!

lumukanda
23-09-2008, 04:26 PM
http://www.news24.com/Images/Photos/2008092315295223_Mbeki_supporter220.jpg

the poor bastards never knew this is exactly what they were fighting for....!

tusme
23-09-2008, 05:19 PM
the poor bastards never knew this is exactly what they were fighting for....!
Hi Lukumanda,

Sorry, but there again, you're observing the situation from "within the box"...!?

As long as you continue seeing it, as a "their problem" or playing the "blame game"....knowingly or not, you're still "playing the game" in exactly the manner the illuminati intended for it to be played...!

And, No! is the answer...just because you're seeing it from that perspective, doesn't mean you're observing it from "outside the box"... Hence, imho, you're actually excacerbating the situation...!

I'm sure, many of your black folks have the knowledge and the ability to see things from "outside the box"...but what is happening is, their "voices" are conveniently "deafened/suppressed" by the chaos/madness created, by events such as the Mbeki/Zuma affair...!

Hmm...well, thats how I see it anyway...

Cheers!

lumukanda
24-09-2008, 10:35 PM
tusme, who says i'm playing the blame game? that seems to be what you've read into it, but i assure you it's not what i mean, the picture above says that this is not what they fought the freedom struggle for, my caption says it is, they just never knew it. i'm not blaming any side, i'm simply saying we were all played and continue to be played.
i'm well aware that by seeing things in too narrow a fashion means you aren't seeing the whole picture, and i am aware of that bigger picture, but right now there are elements that i wish to see in greater detail, hence my narrower field of vision, it doesn't mean i can't see the wider scope, right now i just choose not to is all, in fact it may even be more accurate to say that i see both at the same time, the narrow and the wide.

tusme
24-09-2008, 11:25 PM
tusme, who says i'm playing the blame game? that seems to be what you've read into it, but i assure you it's not what i mean, the picture above says that this is not what they fought the freedom struggle for, my caption says it is, they just never knew it. i'm not blaming any side, i'm simply saying we were all played and continue to be played.
i'm well aware that by seeing things in too narrow a fashion means you aren't seeing the whole picture, and i am aware of that bigger picture, but right now there are elements that i wish to see in greater detail, hence my narrower field of vision, it doesn't mean i can't see the wider scope, right now i just choose not to is all, in fact it may even be more accurate to say that i see both at the same time, the narrow and the wide.
Hi Lumukanda,

Apologies, it seems, I misunderstood your post...!

I understand what you're saying re, your "narrower field of vision"...however, with such a "vision", you risk missing vital (Truth) aspects of the "bigger picture"...as you probably know, all politicians are adept at "sleight of hand"... :D With them, if you miss it once, you might never be fortunate enough to see it again... :)

Hence, the opportunity (of Truth), might just be there for a brief moment...and because you've been focusing on something else, in this case, you might well have missed the most important part of the puzzle...know what I mean!?

Another risk, is, the possibility of being "sucked" into the situation emotionally or with a biased perspective...and when that happens, it's virtually impossible for you to consider yourself, as "outside the box"...

Lastly, Truth is a very powerful tool...maintain it at the core of your observations/analysis, and it will reveal many things to you...and you'll learn, some of those "things", might be a shock to your system but it will, nonetheless, be the Truth...follow it and you will indeed (later on), be allowed to opportunity to see how perfectly beautiful Truth really is...! ;)

Take it easy!

Cheers!