Open Source and Freemasonry

[nulltid]

Maybe people could start new topics for new questions, it'd make the Forum look busier too.

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Are freemasonry compatible with this development platform?
Do freemasons activly develop, support, maintain or otherwise contribute to open source projects?

[mike martin]

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Are freemasonry compatible with this development platform?
Do freemasons activly develop, support, maintain or otherwise contribute to open source projects?


The only sensible answer that anyone could be given is that those Freemasons who are involved in this industry would and those that aren't don't. Just like every other person on the face of the planet.

This has nothing to do with Freemasonry as an organisation but may involve a Freemason who is involved. I for example have no idea what you're talking about, I work for the Coop.

Freemasonry has no impact on what we do for a living

Mike

[chicken]

This has nothing to do with Freemasonry as an organisation but may involve a Freemason who is involved. I for example have no idea what you're talking about, I work for the Coop.

Ooops!!! my indepth research tells me that the Coop is owned/infiltrated by the freemasons directly. So the fact you work for the Coop does not suprise me

Interesting Mike.....!

chicken

[eternal_spirit]

How about the Masonichip?


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To all Worshipful Masters & Brethren of Hamilton District "A":
As you are quite likely aware, the Grand Master, M.W. Bro. Allan J. Petrisor has identified that one of his chief objectives will be to provide a Child Identification Program, known as MasoniCHIP Ontario . This program providesessential information to allow identification of a child by law enforcement agencies, in a very timely manner, if a child does go missing. The first couple of hours of the search are the most critical, and with ready access to pertinent information, there is the greatest opportunity for a successful recovery.
The program is to be provided by Masonic Volunteers (you and I) at events where caring parents and children attend, such as Harvest Fests and Fall Fairs. The parents bring their children to our local Clinic, fill out the basic information and waiver form for each child. They are then directed to a volunteer, who will enter the basic information on a laptop, especially designed with software for only the MasoniCHIP program. The collection of Finger prints, still photo, a video complete with audio are burnt to a CD and given to the parents for their retention. In addition a Wafer imprint of their teeth is taken and placed in the MasoniCHIP Identification Kit. Incidentally, the Wafer will also provide for DNA Information. In consideration of privacy aspects, only the waiver form will be retained by the MasoniCHIP program as the computer automatically deletes all information before processing the next child’s information. To date 2 Clinics have been successfully provided under the auspices of the Grand Lodge Public Awareness Committee, the Program Director for the MasoniCHIP Ontario program, is R.W. Bro. Ray Dobbs.
In the Hamilton Masonic District A, Our DDGM R.W. Bro. Zavar Byramjee is actively supporting this Child Identification Program. He has appointed R.W. Bro. Ivan Elliot as the District Chair, to arrange clinics throughout our District for this worthwhile cause. A clinic has been scheduled at the Milton Fall Fair on Saturday September 22nd 9 am to 4 pm and Sunday. September 23rd 10 am to 4.30 pm . Volunteers are being requested from all District A Lodges, both for Data Input and other aspects of administering this valuable program. Pre training of Volunteers will be provided. If you find that you do not have time available but wish to donate, it should be to the Masonic Foundation of Ontario, quoting Project 2552. This will aid in the purchase of additional laptop systems thus expanding this worthwhile program, after all our slogan is “Masons Helping You Protect the Ones You Love”. A tax receipt will be provided.
Sincerely and Fraternally

D J Ivan Elliot (ddgm06@hamiltondistrictamasons.org)
District A Chair of MasoniCHIP Ontario
and Grand Lodge Committee Member of MasoniCHIP Ontario .
519 824 1266. ATTACHMENTS:

MasoniCHIP Flyer (http://hamiltondistrictamasons.org/MasoniCHIP.pdf) UPCOMING CLINICS:

September 22, 2007 - 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM - Milton Fall Fair
September 23, 2007 - 10:00 AM to 4:30 PM - Milton Fall Fair
http://hamiltondistrictamasons.org/masonichip.htm

[chestnutlodge]

Ooops!!! my indepth research tells me that the Coop is owned/infiltrated by the freemasons directly. So the fact you work for the Coop does not suprise me

Interesting Mike.....!

chicken

Please can you show your indepth research into the owners and infiltration of the co op and if that is true how that has an impact on its day to day running?

[greenleaf]

Ooops!!! my indepth research tells me that the Coop is owned/infiltrated by the freemasons directly. So the fact you work for the Coop does not suprise me

Interesting Mike.....!

chickenPlease can you show your indepth research into the owners and infiltration of the co op and if that is true how that has an impact on its day to day running?

Can't you do your own research?... If you are supporting the freemasons it's upto you to come up with proof, not ask for theirs so you have something else to attempt to discredit...are all masons lazy twats?...I personally think you're a set of cheeky gets as not one of you know how to lay a brick

[91181]

Well well what do we have here , could it be a masonic handshake


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[lumukanda]

open source is heavily funded by a guy called mark shuttelworth.
the name of his company? here be dragons!

[chestnutlodge]

Can't you do your own research?... If you are supporting the freemasons it's upto you to come up with proof, not ask for theirs so you have something else to attempt to discredit...are all masons lazy twats?...I personally think you're a set of cheeky gets as not one of you know how to lay a brick

I am a freemason yes. So I need to do my own research to refute a claim whilst anyone can make a claim without evidence to back it up?

Now I know how it works, that I can state anything, and not have evidence, I will have a go. David Icke is an MI5 informant. Now you must go away and do your research to prove he is not.

You can not discredit proven fact. But there is none in this instance. If there is please post a link so I can be enlightened and would immediatly apologise.

Some masons probably are lazy twats I can not comment, just as some on this forum are as well.

On the brick issue that is rather a sweeping statement as many masons are practicing bricklayers.

[chestnutlodge]

Well well what do we have here , could it be a masonic handshake


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Oh my you got us now, you are right, the Pope and Tony Blair, a Catholic convert, are freemasons.

Particularly as the Pope now and when a Cardinal was head of the modern day Inquisition which was anti masonic, and Tony Blair is not a mason.

No its just a handshake, please explain to me, as a freemason and to the world at large how that is a masonic handshake.

[greenleaf]

Now I know how it works, that I can state anything, and not have evidence, I will have a go. David Icke is an MI5 informant. Now you must go away and do your research to prove he is not.

Challenge Complete: here (http://www.davidsouthwell.com/labels/Conspiracy%20Files.html)
During the course of the next few minutes he outlined an outlandish conspiracy theory in which he claimed David Icke was working for MI5. The source claimed Icke was deliberately promoting fantastic assertions that the bloodlines of powerful families such as those of President Bush and Queen Elizabeth II were linked to reptilian humanoids to purposefully discredit the whole field of conspiracy research. By making such peculiar claims, his alleged paymasters hoped more straightforward areas of conspiracy investigation would be tainted with an air of the ludicrous in the eyes of the public.


At first I took this as a one-off comment, a peculiar aberration from a usually reliable source. However, other authors had heard similar whispers. In fact, some conspiracy theorists had already begun publicly discussing claims of Icke’s involvement with the British security services. When talking about the issue they made the reasonable point that MI5 have a track record of infiltrating the conspiracy community. MI5 do this partly as they need to keep track on certain rampant crypto-fascists within parapolitical research and partly because it is wise to monitor those trying to monitor you. As the CIA have shown over the years in ufology, it can also often be useful to use a conspiracy theorist to discredit a subject and spread misleading rumours.


If there were a secretly orchestrated campaign to make David Icke look like a MI5 puppet, it would only be the latest instalment in a life that often looks like the unfolding of a surreal soap opera. David Icke had certainly made an incredible journey. His first career was as a professional footballer, keeping goal for Coventry City before a leg injury finished his playing days. He turned to journalism and eventually became a sports reporter and then anchorman for the BBC. At the height of his fame, he left television to become an activist for the Green Party. In 1990, Icke received a number of messages from a medium. When he revealed these to colleagues in the Green Party he was banned from speaking on their behalf. By 1991 he had gone public with a number of his controversial views – such as his “I am a channel for the Christ spirit” – and became a subject of national public ridicule.


Although it is acknowledged by many researchers that Icke has unearthed some interesting facts to support some of his conspiracy ideas on areas such as 9/11, he has also often relied on material thoroughly disproved to have a basis in reality. He has repeated claims made by a man called Mark Phillips about the existence of a mind control programme to produce child sexual slaves for senior US politicians. Needless to say, Mark Phillips has never been able to produce any objective proofs of his claims or even his alleged career in the CIA. It is hard to doubt that Icke’s promotion of these views along with his talk of reptilian humanoids has cast a shadow of media derision over some elements of conspiracy research.

THE STRANGE PART
If as many like to portray him, David Icke were a mere lunatic who has wandered so far off the map of reality he is almost beyond ridicule, why would anyone bother to indulge in a campaign to undermine him? Surely his quoting of highly dubious sources and belief in the reality of hyper-dimensional reptilian humanoids raise enough obstacles to creditability for the average person exposed to his work? It is strange the slander about him being an agent of disinformation seems designed to cause most harm to his reputation with the thousands of people who buy his books and attend his public lectures. If Icke is a threat to no-one and speaking rubbish, who would bother to try and further denigrate his reputation?


THE USUAL SUSPECTS

REPTILIAN HUMANOIDS
Some conspiriologists back David Icke’s ideas about the world being controlled by higher-dimensional reptilian humanoids working through the prominent families and secret societies. They claim any slander or attempt to smear Icke is the work of these reptilian humanoids working through their global network of human agents.


BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY
Icke has made repeated claims that some members of British royal family we perceive as human are in fact secretly lizard people. If you were in the position of power enjoyed by Queen Elizabeth II and were fed up with a former footballer calling you and your late mother lizards, what would you do? Get agents in your security services to try and discredit the miscreant perhaps?


MI5
Fed up with Icke accusing them of working on behalf of lizard paymasters and sticking his nose into their operations, MI5 may have spontaneously taken it upon themselves to start rumours about one thing they knew would hurt any conspiracy researcher – working for them.


THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS


LEFT-WING CONSPIRIOLOGISTS
Conspiracy researchers with a left-wing bias have regularly attacked Icke for bringing ridicule to the whole field of parapolitcal research. They have also criticised his links to authors such Eustace Mullins who once wrote a book entitled ‘The Biological Jew’. A secret cabal of left-wing conspiriologists would certainly seem to have motivation for orchestrating a campaign against Icke.


ANTI-JEWISH DEFAMATION CAMPAIGNERS
Numerous anti-Jewish defamation groups have accused Icke of anti-Semitism. They have protested at his conferences, thrown custard pies at him and claimed when he talks about lizards, he is really talking about Jews. Icke has always rigorously denied their allegations and they have not impacted on his growing popularity. Could elements of anti-Jewish defamation groups have changed tactics in an attempt to discredit someone they view as dangerously anti-Semite?


MOST CONVINCING EVIDENCE
In the years following Icke’s public ridicule in 1991, he has recovered some of his reputation. He was the subject of the 2007 TV documentary David Icke: Was He Right? and The Waterboys’s song ‘Sympathy For David Icke’ was written in his honour. Icke has produced more than 20 books on spirituality and his belief in a global conspiracy, attracting a worldwide following for his ideas. It was only after a growing number of people began to take seriously his pronouncements about 9/11 and the ‘War on Terror’ being the result of a conspiracy that rumours about him being an agent of disinformation began. It was also only at the point he was enjoying a new surge in popularity that he faced other obstacles to promoting his views such as a legal fight for ownership of 16 books he had written.

[chestnutlodge]

Thank you for that. Does that prove he is not as it is written from an interview in which he bings the matter up. Further on the MI5 MAY have instigated the idea it does not say they had.

Sorry, that does not prove the issue either way he neither can be accused or cant be accused as no evidence is conclusive proof. So until that is solved we keep an open mind.

Looking at the lack of evidence regarding the coop, the allegation, which is easy to make, has no corroborating evidence. I can not supply concrete evidence to state that there are no freemason at the coop. So again whilst I have my opinions we keep an open mind.

[greenleaf]

Thank you for that. Does that prove he is not as it is written from an interview in which he bings the matter up. Further on the MI5 MAY have instigated the idea it does not say they had.

Sorry, that does not prove the issue either way he neither can be accused or cant be accused as no evidence is conclusive proof. So until that is solved we keep an open mind.

Looking at the lack of evidence regarding the coop, the allegation, which is easy to make, has no corroborating evidence. I can not supply concrete evidence to state that there are no freemason at the coop. So again whilst I have my opinions we keep an open mind.

like many things in life...you have to think for yourself and not as a group. once you show me proof of jesus and god, I will look harder to deny it.

[chestnutlodge]

like many things in life...you have to think for yourself and not as a group. once you show me proof of jesus and god, I will look harder to deny it.

I am capable of rational thought and have an open mind to everything. Why have you now brought up Jesus and God?. So I have to somehow prove to you that Jesus and God exist before you will prove to me that David Icke is not an MI5 informant? Is that right?

Can you prove to me your sanity?

[greenleaf]

Can you prove to me your sanity?

did I mention I was sane?... sorry, you are misinformed or have misjudged.... You don't have to prove or disprove anything to me, as you have no credibility

[chicken]

:D....interesting.....:D

chicken

[magna_carta]

Well well what do we have here , could it be a masonic handshake


http://fl0wer.net/files/pope_blair_mason_handshake.png

The Roman Catholic Church has often been seen to be in conflict with Freemasonry, which it sees as tending to anticlericalism and deism. The Church forbids Catholics from becoming Freemasons - until 1983 the penalty for joining was excommunication.

[chrism]

How about the Masonichip?


With the exception of the name, which I will readily accept is a marketing nightmare, do you not think this is a good idea?

With all the recent news of abductions etc, haveing up to date personal information about your kids is vital shoudl they go missing.

For those reading too much into the name, it stands for CHild Identification Program and has nothing to do with RFID or other implants/microchips. DAmned stupid name, huh?

The idea is for every parent to have a pack containing such things as recent photographs and video footage of thisr children, along with DNA samples and dental records. This should be normal in this day and age.

All the masons are doing is providing assistance to do this to families who cannot afford it. Free dental modelling, free DNA profiling and photography/videography.

Apart from finding something strange about having a stranger photograph/video my kid every 6 months or so (they have to be kept up to date - that is the point!) I think it is perfectly acceptable.

There is no indication that the Masons keep and of this DNA or anything else for themselves, or for that matter how they would benefit from doing so.

Once again - thie ChIP name was a big mistake, especially with so many people about trying to find reasons not to trust Masons!

Microchipping kids has been around for a few years now, with tracking mobile phones via the internet being easily possible. I am sure the governments already know where each and every one of us is already - I don't think the masons are doing their work for them!

Chris

[chrism]

Regarding the MI5 lot - I invoke Russell's Teapot.

That goes for God/Jesus too.

And the Flying Spaghetti Monster if it comes down to that...

Chris

[mike martin]

The Roman Catholic Church has often been seen to be in conflict with Freemasonry, which it sees as tending to anticlericalism and deism. The Church forbids Catholics from becoming Freemasons - until 1983 the penalty for joining was excommunication.

Nothing changed in 1983 except the wording of the Canonical notice, it was revised and re-issued.

The problem is that the RC Church says that no member of the faithful can be a member of an organisation that plots against the Church and includes Freemasonry, the thing is that the many Catholic Freemasons know it doesn't so they seem to have no moral problem with being a member.

Mike

[perry_mason]

Well well what do we have here , could it be a masonic handshake


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If the Pope and Blair were Super-Dooper-Uber-Crypto-Masons, why the hell would they be giving what you perceive as a Masonic handshake whilst being on film?

[geeve420]

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Are freemasonry compatible with this development platform?
Do freemasons activly develop, support, maintain or otherwise contribute to open source projects?


Well from what I gather Mike is right, If a Person finds a flaw or bug in for example Linux or open Office or Audacity or any other open source software then fixes it and reposts it, what does that have to do with wether they are a Mason or not? I use linux (Fedora 8) to play around with but I'm not good enough to hardly use the command line. The Linux forums are full of thousands of people who report and fix bugs in the Kernal or the software. I have yet to come accross any Masons while trying to get help on a forum to get my soundcard to work. In short There are probaly some Masons who work in open source, but I'm sure there are even more who are not Masons.

Thanks

Geeve