Freemasonary in England the facts/truth

[masonic3]

:eek: Freemasonary in England today
I have decided to write this thread and put some of the “myths” to rights on this forum, as a lot of members think they know “facts.” In reality, what you are about to read is “fact.”
This is fact because I say it is, as I am a Freemason in England today.

How it began in England:)
It is not known. The earliest recorded 'making' of a Freemason in England is that of Elias Ashmole in 1646. Organised Freemasonry began with the founding of the Grand Lodge of England on 24 June 1717, the first Grand Lodge in the world. Ireland followed in 1725 and Scotland in 1736. All the regular Grand Lodges in the world trace themselves back to one or more of the Grand Lodges in the British Isles. There are two main theories of origin. According to one, the operative stonemasons who built the great cathedrals and castles had lodges in which they discussed trade affairs. They had simple initiation ceremonies and, as there were no City and Guilds certificates, dues cards or trade union membership cards, they adopted secret signs and words to demonstrate that they were trained masons when they moved from site to site. In the 1600s, these operative lodges began to accept non-operatives as "gentlemen masons". Gradually this non-operative took over the lodges and turned them from operative to 'free and accepted' or 'speculative' lodges. The other theory is that in the late 1500s and early 1600s, there was a group which was interested in the promotion of religious and political tolerance in an age of great intolerance when differences of opinion on matters of religion and politics were to lead to bloody civil war. In forming Freemasonry, they were trying to make better men and build a better world. As the means of teaching in those days was by allegory and symbolism, they took the idea of building as the central allegory on which to form their system. The main source of allegory was the Bible, the contents of which were known to everyone even if they could not read, and the only building described in detail in the Bible was King Solomon's Temple, which became the basis of the ritual. The old trade guilds provided them with their basis administration of a Master, Wardens, Treasurer and Secretary, and the operative mason's tools provided them with a wealth of symbols with which to illustrate the moral teachings of Freemasonry.

Freemasonry in England
All lodges in England are under the “United Grand Lodge of England” UGLE for short.
All lodges under the UGLE are issued with a warrant (This is proof that they follow the rules of UGLE) I can only visit lodges with this warrant, but lucky for me all Lodges in England are under the UGLE. And have this warrant.

Lodges outside of England
I can only visit lodges that are recognised by the UGLE, so I would have to check through my Lodge, a lot of Masonic groups in the USA are not under the UGLE so I could not visit them nor would I want to
The United Grand Lodge of England has 730 Lodges operating in a number of countries around the world.

Many of these Lodges are overseen by a District Grand Lodge, of which there are 32. Five groups of Lodges are too small to make up a District and are therefore overseen by a Grand Inspector. Twelve individual Lodges do not come under the jurisdiction of a District or Grand Inspector and are known as NUD Lodges.

Lodges in the USA:mad: :rolleyes:
A lot of Masonic groups in the USA are not under the UGLE so I could not visit them nor would I want to.
Freemasonry in the USA is a shambles and a lot of there Masonic groups are fake, they are made up, as anyone can say they are the head of an Masonic order.
You could start one “David’s Masonic Knights” but it would not be under the UGLE.

Overall the UGLE
Under the United Grand Lodge of England, there are 330,000 Freemasons, meeting in 8,644 lodges. There are separate Grand Lodges for Ireland (which covers north and south) and Scotland, with a combined membership of 150,000. Worldwide, there are probably 5 million members.

Are there 33 Degrees

The simple answer is no!:eek: :mad: :confused:
Freemasonry consists of the three 'Craft' degrees (Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft and Master Mason) completed by the Royal Arch degree (Chapter). There are many other Masonic degrees and Orders which are called 'additional' because they add to the basis of the Craft and Royal Arch. They are not basic to Freemasonry but add to it by further expounding and illustrating the principles stated in the Craft and Royal Arch. Some of these additional degrees are numerically superior to the third degree but this does not affect the fact that they are additional to and not in anyway superior to or higher than the Craft. The ranks that these additional degrees carry have no standing with the Craft or Royal Arch.

The 33 degree Scottish rite :rolleyes:
The local Scottish rite organization confers the 4th through 32nd degrees in degree-conferring meetings. The Scottish rite is sometimes called the "College of Freemasonry," because it uses extensive allegory and drama to emphasize the message of its degrees. The degree work may, but not necessarily, be completed at one time.
The Scottish Rite shares the belief of all Masonic organizations that there is no higher degree than that of Master Mason. The degrees are in addition to, and in no way "higher" than, those of Blue Lodge, or Craft Lodge, Masonry. Scottish Rite degrees simply amplify and elaborate on the lessons of the craft, providing further knowledge of Masonry, the building of the Temple, and ancient religions, with memorable lessons ranging from the days of chivalry to modern times.
The Scottish Rite in the name of a ritual, my lodge uses the ritual called “Commonsense”

The Knights Templar ;) :rolleyes:
The templar are real I know some and will be one in the future, they use my lodge.
To become a KT you must be a Master mason and have also the right to read Mark and Chapter degrees.
Then if you are lucky you will be asked to join…………..

Freemasonry and Religion
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It demands of its members a belief in a Supreme Being but provides no system of faith of its own.
Freemasonry is open to men of all religious faiths. The discussion of religion at its meetings is forbidden.

The Supreme Being
The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him) without the terms of the prayer causing dissention among them.

There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion he professes.

Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being, but He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. There is therefore no composite Masonic God.

Volume of the Sacred Law
The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.

The Obligation of Freemasonry
The Obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on or involve the Volume of the Sacred Law, or the book held sacred by those concerned. They are undertakings to help keep secret a Freemason's means of recognition, and to follow the principles of Freemasonry.

The physical penalties, which are purely symbolic, do not form part of an Obligation. The commitment to follow the principles of Freemasonry is, however, deep.

Freemasonry Compared with Religion
Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion.

a) it has no theological doctrine, and by forbidding religious discussion at its meetings will not allow a Masonic theological doctrine to develop.

b) It offers no sacraments.

c) It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition and not with salvation.

Freemasonry Supports Religion
Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering in religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and to place above all other duties his duty to God, by whatever name He is known. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.

Freemasonry is thus a supporter of religion.

Freemasonry: Your Questions Answered

Q Why are you a secret society?
A We are not, but lodge meetings, like those of many other groups, are private and open only to members. The rules and aims of Freemasonry are available to the public. Meeting places are known and in many areas are used by the local community for activities other than Freemasonry. Members are encouraged to speak openly about Freemasonry.

Q What are the secrets of Freemasonry?
A The secrets in Freemasonry are the traditional modes of recognition which are not used indiscriminately, but solely as a test of membership, e.g. when visiting a Lodge where you are not known.

Q What happens at a lodge meeting?
A The meeting is in two parts. As in any association there is a certain amount of administrative procedure - minutes of last meeting, proposing and balloting for new members, discussing and voting on financial matters, election of officers, news and correspondence. Then there are the ceremonies for admitting new Masons and the annual installation of the Master and appointment of officers. The three ceremonies for admitting a new Mason are in two parts - a slight dramatic instruction in the principles and lessons taught in the Craft followed by a lecture in which the candidate's various duties are spelled out.

Q Why do Freemasons take oaths?
A New members make solemn promises concerning their conduct in Lodge and in society. Each member also promises to keep confidential the traditional methods of proving that he is a Freemason which he would use when visiting a lodge where he is not known. Freemasons do not swear allegiances to each other or to Freemasonry. Freemasons promise to support others in times of need, but only if that support does not conflict with their duties to God, the law, their family or with their responsibilities as a Citizen.

Q Why do your 'obligations' contain hideous penalties?
A They no longer do. When Masonic ritual was developing in the late 1600s and 1700s it was quite common for legal and civil oaths to include physical penalties and Freemasonry simply followed the practice of the times. In Freemasonry, however, the physical penalties were always symbolic and were never carried out. After long discussion, they were removed from the promises in 1986.

[eternal_spirit]

yes lies from you're hero the duke of bent that avatar is sick

[eternal_spirit]

You don't get it do you m3 king solomon was into ritual magic etc raising demons, it goes way back in time you think it stared in the 17 hundreds get real. same game differen't name:rolleyes:

[tinmenace]

How it began in England:)
It is not known.


Well heck! If you don't know the very beginning of the story, everything after that is subject to scrutiny. Wouldn't you say?

Nice cut and paste job, but I want to know in your own words what Freemasonry means to YOU.

[masonic3]

yes lies from you're hero the duke of bent that avatar is sick

As I said this is the facts and the "Duke of Kent" is not my hero.:eek:


You don't get it do you m3 king solomon was into ritual magic etc raising demons, it goes way back in time you think it stared in the 17 hundreds get real. same game differen't name


Freemasonry is based on the morels of the “Stone Masons “who build King Solomon’s temple.
The diffrent degrees are the diffrent payment levels(Understand?If not I will explain?)

No one knows how far back it goes but the records go back to 16’s so that is a fact.
Before that like you said we don’t know about.

[eternal_spirit]

lol get a new avatar please! :D

Some say to progress beyond the third degree up towards the higher degrees, you have to be of a certain bloodline, passed on from father to son, if you're father was a high ranking mason you will be shown more of the secrets. This seems to be like a caste system based on genetics!

Those of the lower degrees will be looked down upon by the higher degrees.

[masonic3]

Well heck! If you don't know the very beginning of the story, everything after that is subject to scrutiny. Wouldn't you say?

Nice cut and paste job, but I want to know in your own words what Freemasonry means to YOU.

Well heck! If you don't know the very beginning of the story, everything after that is subject to scrutiny. Wouldn't you say?
What a silly thing to say :confused: Wouldn't you say?:rolleyes:
Like I said from the 1600's is fact before that?

Nice cut and paste job, but I want to know in your own words what Freemasonry means to YOU

I cut and paste some but whats wrong with that?

Freemasonry to me:
I enjoyFreemasonry because I get to meet new people and visit different lodges I also enjoy the meals and toasts we have.
Its nice to be part of something that I can be proud of, a lot of people mock it because they wish they could do it, but they can’t! Haa HHA ! (joke)

There is nothing really secret to it, its just got some small secrets.

[masonic3]

lol get a new avatar please! :D

Some say to progress beyond the third degree up towards the higher degrees, you have to be of a certain bloodline, passed on from father to son, if you're father was a high ranking mason you will be shown more of the secrets. This seems to be like a caste system based on genetics!

Those of the lower degrees will be looked down upon by the higher degrees.

Is this Avatar better? lol.

My best friend is a son of a high ranking mason (the son is called a "Lewis". A Lewis means the son of a mason)
He is a master mason and he is also in the mark degree, which you could call the fourth but I am going to join the fourth too, but its still no higher than a 3rd degree master mason.
The problem with the 33dg is that there are alot of degrees after the 3rd but they are all the same level but you can't be higher than a Master Mason.

[oneofmany]

Freemasonry is based on the morels of the “Stone Masons “who build King Solomon’s temple.

so your agreeing with me now? and it's morals

[masonic3]

so your agreeing with me now? and it's morals

Thank you for pointing that out for me. I am dyslexic, and sometimes do miss picking up on spellings, as they seem right to me. I used to take offence when people pointed these things out to me, but now tend accept that some people will pick on bad spelling and grammar, and use that as a legitimate argument in a debate. Oh well.
Outsiders will never understand freemasonry, as most of it is about friendship and brotherhood. Why all the paranoia? My brothers and I sometimes laugh about all these paranoid conspiracy theorists, when really, if most of you sat in on a meeting, you would be bored with all the formalities. It just seems to me that you are so commited to the idea of secrecy that you will not even accept the word of an actual mason. I accept that, as humans, it is impossible for us to know everything, and I hope I would not be accused of boasting such knowledge, but what I am telling you is that freemasonry is not hierarchical. After a certain level, there are indeed other facets, but all are on the same level - there is no hierarchical structure, and it is certainly farcical to suggest that any such hierarchy is genetically determined. As mention on a previous post, my friend is a lewis, and he does not have, nor should he have, any advantage in his masonic career, over myself.
I find it laughable that you would seriously think that I would be sent here, by some unknown agent, to try and delude you all. No, I watched a programme about David and thought that his ideas were very interesting, and wanted to come on this website to find out more. I had no idea that masonry and the "truth" were so incompatible. Masonry, as I have mentioned many times before, and no doubt will continue to do so, is about brotherhood, friendship, tradition. No one is trying to "control" anyone, in fact, I have never met two masons with the same opinions and beliefs. I have come to the conclusion, after being on this site for a while, that if one is determined to seek conspiracy and be paranoid, then you will see it in anything.
I did not write this initial post to put people off or to start arguments, but rather as a way to move on from this topic of masonry. I am interested in David and his ideas, and want to hear from you, and likewise, hope that you will listen to some of my ideas.

Masonic3

[oneofmany]

Thank you for pointing that out for me. I am dyslexic, and sometimes do miss picking up on spellings, as they seem right to me. I used to take offence when people pointed these things out to me, but now tend accept that some people will pick on bad spelling and grammar, and use that as a legitimate argument in a debate. Oh well.
Outsiders will never understand freemasonry, as most of it is about friendship and brotherhood. Why all the paranoia? My brothers and I sometimes laugh about all these paranoid conspiracy theorists, when really, if most of you sat in on a meeting, you would be bored with all the formalities. It just seems to me that you are so commited to the idea of secrecy that you will not even accept the word of an actual mason. I accept that, as humans, it is impossible for us to know everything, and I hope I would not be accused of boasting such knowledge, but what I am telling you is that freemasonry is not hierarchical. After a certain level, there are indeed other facets, but all are on the same level - there is no hierarchical structure, and it is certainly farcical to suggest that any such hierarchy is genetically determined. As mention on a previous post, my friend is a lewis, and he does not have, nor should he have, any advantage in his masonic career, over myself.
I find it laughable that you would seriously think that I would be sent here, by some unknown agent, to try and delude you all. No, I watched a programme about David and thought that his ideas were very interesting, and wanted to come on this website to find out more. I had no idea that masonry and the "truth" were so incompatible. Masonry, as I have mentioned many times before, and no doubt will continue to do so, is about brotherhood, friendship, tradition. No one is trying to "control" anyone, in fact, I have never met two masons with the same opinions and beliefs. I have come to the conclusion, after being on this site for a while, that if one is determined to seek conspiracy and be paranoid, then you will see it in anything.
I did not write this initial post to put people off or to start arguments, but rather as a way to move on from this topic of masonry. I am interested in David and his ideas, and want to hear from you, and likewise, hope that you will listen to some of my ideas.

Masonic3

My grandfather RIP and my uncle were/are high ranking Freemasons who wanted me to join. I asked all about it and when they realised that i knew more about it than what they were letting on to me, they dropped the subject completely. I told them I had read Manly P Hall's books and had a personal insight to the building scam in this country, they soon realised that I was on to them.
My uncle in perticular has made millions through his Freemason connections, and thus had a vested interest in keeping me quiet with regards to the rest of the family. When my grandfather died, He had some of the most respected community and buisness leaders in the country at his funeral, thus confirming to me his importance in the organisation. My uncle married into one of the wealthiest families in Australia, with both Freemason and Mob connections, I saw first hand the power of these institutions and what they can do for you if your willing to sell your soul.
Honestly, I don't think your high enough up the food chain to see what it's all about. just my opinion.

PS sorry about the dyslexia, a spellchecker would help

[ho1ogram]

I have come to the conclusion, after being on this site for a while, that if one is determined to seek conspiracy and be paranoid, then you will see it in anything.

You got that right.

Re: Freemasonry.

It's like going to church. Sure they're a lovely bunch of people who like to have a drink on the weekend and give to charity, but the point is they don't realise what they are worshipping. Freemasons are told to uphold societies morals without questioning society's morals, who defines them and what goes on behind closed doors.

It is a club designed to prevent critical thinking while at the same time reinforcing hte notion that everything is okay as long as people worship a deity and pay their taxes. It's sole purpose is to make you feel content that our leaders know best and would never deceive or manipulate the people.

Okay, that isn't it's sole purpose, it's other purpose is to screen the population for those with pyschopathic traits who can be groomed for positions of authority and power in society.

Criminal psychopaths are those who are crude enough in their manipulations to be identified and apprehended by legal and medical institutions. They are known as serial killers, con-artists, burglars, mobsters, mad tyrants, rapists, and delinquents. These comprise a small percentage of psychopaths, and only about 1% of the population.

The rest are successful psychopaths who evade detection by optimally conforming to social ideals without compromising their manipulative nature. They are skilled at faking emotions and passing themselves off as charming, caring, and sociable people. Some use their conformity to appear ordinary, others are more ambitious and become symbols of success by using their charm and intellect to rapidly climb the corporate, political, academic, religious, military, or social ladder. Between 20% and 50% of the population is included in this category.
http://www.montalk.net/

Freemasonry isn't the only organisation that does this. The most overt ones are political parties, corporations and the military. Any sort of ritualised behaviour programmes a persons subconscious mind to be rigid and tame, thus making them easier to guide whithout the person even realising that they are defining themselves and their abilities based on a limited set of chooices. The conditioned mind thinks that is free and thus won't even harbour the possibility that there is more to the official story than they are being told.

I have known masons and still know former masons and they all say the same thing as you. But they aren't running the show and neither are you. I have no problem with masons, each to their own.
Good luck with it.

I do think though that you aren't seeing the bigger picture, which is understandable as it is a big damn picture. You said that you watched a program about David Icke and found his ideas interesting. You may like to read his books (or watch his DVD's if your dyslexia slows you down too much.) and then you will understand why people here are hostile to freemasons. Personally I don't care if someone is a mason or not, I have never walked in your shoes.

The more diverse opinions here the better I say. Otherwise it just ends up a bunch of people all agreeing with each other and patting themselves on the back about how knowledgable and awake they are.
Cheers
h :)

ps - if you start to change shape during a ritual at the next lodge meeting GET THE HELL OUT O THERE!

*edit* - oh I didn't see oneofmany's post above, my info is all my own understanding, sounds like he knows the real deal.

[tinmenace]

I saw first hand the power of these institutions and what they can do for you if your willing to sell your soul.
Honestly, I don't think your high enough up the food chain to see what it's all about. just my opinion.

That's what I've said to him before, but he doesn't hear it.

[tinmenace]

p.s. The Firefox browser has a built in spell check. Pretty cool! :)

[oneofmany]

That's what I've said to him before, but he doesn't hear it.what can you do. You can lead a dog to water, but you can't make him drink.

[tinmenace]

what can you do. You can lead a dog to water, but you can't make him drink.

A dawg? I thought it was a horse? Ok, let's split it down the middle and let's say a pony....a small pony...one of them miniature ones...with the fluffy ears!

http://www.natuur.nl/foto/data/511/medium/lieve-pony.jpg

I meant fluffy belly!

[oneofmany]

A dawg? I thought it was a horse? Ok, let's split it down the middle and let's say a pony....a small pony...one of them miniature ones...with the fluffy ears!

http://www.natuur.nl/foto/data/511/medium/lieve-pony.jpg

I meant fluffy belly!I like to be different :D


http://www.dogplus.com.au/Dog%20Drinking%20Laborador.jpg

[masonic3]

I like to be different :D


http://www.dogplus.com.au/Dog%20Drinking%20Laborador.jpg

MMM? Sorry but this is fact. one to me I think.:rolleyes: :eek: ;)

[oneofmany]

MMM? Sorry but this is fact. one to me I think.:rolleyes: :eek: ;)
what are you referring to? you've yet to convince me of anything you've said so far except how little you know of your own organisation.

[tinmenace]

what are you referring to? you've yet to convince me of anything you've said so far except how little you know of your own organisation.


*Clapping*

[masonic3]

My grandfather RIP and my uncle were/are high ranking Freemasons who wanted me to join. I asked all about it and when they realised that i knew more about it than what they were letting on to me, they dropped the subject completely. I told them I had read Manly P Hall's books and had a personal insight to the building scam in this country, they soon realised that I was on to them.
My uncle in perticular has made millions through his Freemason connections, and thus had a vested interest in keeping me quiet with regards to the rest of the family. When my grandfather died, He had some of the most respected community and buisness leaders in the country at his funeral, thus confirming to me his importance in the organisation. My uncle married into one of the wealthiest families in Australia, with both Freemason and Mob connections, I saw first hand the power of these institutions and what they can do for you if your willing to sell your soul.
Honestly, I don't think your high enough up the food chain to see what it's all about. just my opinion.

PS sorry about the dyslexia, a spellchecker would help


My grandfather RIP(May he travell lightly) and my uncle were/are high ranking Freemasons who wanted me to join.
This statment is wrong "oneofmany" if this did happen why is it wrong?


high ranking Freemasons:confused:

What do you mean by this? Is this part of your 33dg ?"based on a Fact tree, A fact should be a striaght line"


I asked all about it and when they realised that i knew more about it than what they were letting on to me, they dropped the subject completely.

This is not ment as a low dig, but you must be of sound mind to be a freemason so perhaps after you blabbed aloud of insane rubbish at them, I bet they thought its not for you/Or is it because you know more than they know about freemasonry? What a joke!:eek:

they were letting on

Lets read this " they were letting on"? or did they not have a clue what you were talking about?!

I think they thought you are not of sound mind and because of this you can not be a freemason.

So is this you being bitter because you are not aloud to join(black ball)?

please give me facts for any reply.

Do not give me fact trees.

A fact in 2007 must be a straight line or its not proof.

So come on facts please.......................................?wait ing:confused:

[masonic3]

*Clapping*

Its ok the bus will be here in a min(wipe dribble off face)

Thats all you have to say?

[tinmenace]

Freemasonry to me:
I enjoyFreemasonry because I get to meet new people and visit different lodges I also enjoy the meals and toasts we have.
Its nice to be part of something that I can be proud of, a lot of people mock it because they wish they could do it, but they can’t! Haa HHA ! (joke)

There is nothing really secret to it, its just got some small secrets.


Its ok the bus will be here in a min(wipe dribble off face)

Thats all you have to say?

Yeah, when you stop playing silly buggers with me. If Freemasonry is simply a social event to you, then I guess you REALLY are unaware of the larger picture. But you know what? I'm just so done with this silliness, so why don't you explain to me what Albert Pike's book, Morals and Dogma, is all about.

[masonic3]

Yeah, when you stop playing silly buggers with me. If Freemasonry is simply a social event to you, then I guess you REALLY are unaware of the larger picture. But you know what? I'm just so done with this silliness, so why don't you explain to me what Albert Pike's book, Morals and Dogma, is all about.

A novel? A story? :rolleyes:

Is there no facts or proof? :rolleyes:

Did you miss the bus?:p

[tinmenace]

A novel? A story? :rolleyes:

Is there no facts or proof? :rolleyes:

Did you miss the bus?:p

So, you have no opinion about the booK?

[oneofmany]

My grandfather RIP(May he travell lightly) and my uncle were/are high ranking Freemasons who wanted me to join.
This statment is wrong "oneofmany" if this did happen why is it wrong?
how is it wrong mate?? :confused: your logic baffles me, are you on drugs or something because this statement makes no sense

high ranking Freemasons:confused:

What do you mean by this? Is this part of your 33dg ?"based on a Fact tree, A fact should be a striaght line"
What I mean by this is not to many people have the head of financial, political and other buisness institutions present at your funeral unless your an important man, which on the outside my grandfather seemed not to be.

I asked all about it and when they realised that i knew more about it than what they were letting on to me, they dropped the subject completely.

This is not ment as a low dig, but you must be of sound mind to be a freemason so perhaps after you blabbed aloud of insane rubbish at them, I bet they thought its not for you/Or is it because you know more than they know about freemasonry? What a joke!:eek:
This is a flat out fucking insult pal and if you said it to my face, Id knock your fucking teeth out. They knew exactly what I was on about. I was quoting from Manly P Hall's works, so are you saying what he says about freemasonry is wrong?

they were letting on

Lets read this " they were letting on"? or did they not have a clue what you were talking about?! they knew, and i have no need to convince you because you wouldn't believe me anyway.

I think they thought you are not of sound mind and because of this you can not be a freemason. once again with the insults, you are a fuckwit aren't you?

So is this you being bitter because you are not aloud to join(black ball)?I never wanted to join your sick society, you cant blackball someone who wants no part of it.

please give me facts for any reply.None would satisfy you

Do not give me fact trees. HUH:confused:

A fact in 2007 must be a straight line or its not proof. you make no sense

So come on facts please.......................................?wait ing:confused:
Im getting the feeling that your not mentally stable mate, If you don't take what i say at face value then what can i say but live in your own bubble, you obviously enjoy it in there. To provide proof of the kind your asking would expose me and the people im talking about here which just happen to be family, which Im not willing to do. for you or anyone. Tell me facts man, How do you pull facts from situations that happened to you, do you keep a tape recorder handy for just such occasions, maybe have a stenographer walk around with you everywhere you go, just in case people like you want facts. UNBELIEVABLE

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Looked in the mirror lately.................................ASS

[ho1ogram]

Guys, try and refrain from getting personal. It's in the forum guidelines. Everyone is different and has their own opinions. I like this thread, I'm learning a thing or two, we don't wanna see it become a flame war.

[oneofmany]

Guys, try and refrain from getting personal. It's in the forum guidelines. Everyone is different and has their own opinions. I like this thread, I'm learning a thing or two, we don't wanna see it become a flame war.
he has a habit of making it personal, I only oblige. This isn't our first run in

[ho1ogram]

Guys = plural. You're all naughty...:D
Love, h.

[tinmenace]

It's expected...it doesn't bother me.

Surely we should be allowed to hash things out?

[ho1ogram]

Yeah, you are. Moderating's subjective. My approach is to discourage getting personal, so others visiting the forum won't feel they will be attacked for presenting their ideas or feeling like they are asking dumb questions cos they don't know as much about this stuff as others.

Your right I probably stepped in too early. Also I did so before I realised it's not my forum to moderate.

I'll fuck off now.

[oneofmany]

Yeah, you are. Moderating's subjective. My approach is to discourage getting personal, so others visiting the forum won't feel they will be attacked for presenting their ideas or feeling like they are asking dumb questions cos they don't know as much about this stuff as others.

Your right I probably stepped in too early. Also I did so before I realised it's not my forum to moderate.

I'll fuck off now.Please don't. Besides moderating, do you have anything to contribute to this conversation? I would like to hear your opinion.

[ho1ogram]

I take it your being sarcastic. I said I made a mistake, and I would butt out. I posted my opinion on freemasonry in post #12. I said in post #27 I'm enjoying the thread and that's because I'd like to hear more personal experiences of freemasonry, from those who are masons like m3 and those who know masons like your self. So I'm not perfect... who gives a shit..
Cheers, h.

[oneofmany]

I take it your being sarcastic. I said I made a mistake, and I would butt out. I posted my opinion on freemasonry in post #12. I said in post #27 I'm enjoying the thread and that's because I'd like to hear more personal experiences of freemasonry, from those who are masons like m3 and those who know masons like your self. So I'm not perfect... who gives a shit..
Cheers, h.
No im not being sarcastic, Im genuinely interested on your insight into all of this. Im sorry if it came across that way to you. There was no offence meant. I was more interested in your opinion about do and how you think the freemasons manipulate society. I did read your posts previously but forgot they were there. Sorry

[ho1ogram]

oh right, no worries.. lol... Arrr, I haven't anything else to add yet, maybe later.. oh yeah,I just thought of some questions but I'll post them later when I work 'em all out. Cheers
:)

[tinmenace]

Yeah but we still wuv you!

[masonic3]

http://members.shaw.ca/statistic/pictures/Donkey-4.jpg
Looked in the mirror lately.................................ASS

Very good "oneofmany".

Once again you need to show me facts, I didn't mean to upset you.



Facts


This is a fact.

The "sun" is hot=


Heat from the sun
Light from the sun

So on.....


*The Sun----------------------Hot* That is a fact, astraight line fact.

33degrees in a level system.

Talk of 33dg Scothish rite (Which is just the name of a type of ritual every lodge uses the same kind of ritual)
other degrees on a list (After 3rd dg the degrees are the same level there is no higher mason that a master mason)
So on..................


33degrees in a level system-----( Don't know anything about it)33degrees on a list----other degrees on a list



This is a "tree Fact" there is no real fact

If it was

33dg level system--------------------------33 diffrent level Rituals everyone
the mason learns somethingmore

Do you understand?

[masonic3]

I take it your being sarcastic. I said I made a mistake, and I would butt out. I posted my opinion on freemasonry in post #12. I said in post #27 I'm enjoying the thread and that's because I'd like to hear more personal experiences of freemasonry, from those who are masons like m3 and those who know masons like your self. So I'm not perfect... who gives a sh*t..
Cheers, h.

I am glad you get something out of this.
I think that its a good thing to get thing down on paper/hard drive.
So we can all move on, even if we "Agree" to Disagree" then at least we have a fact.

I am not trying to change anyones mind you understand, more trying to get them to change mine.
I know that I can be one sided sometimes but I am open to proof.

But once again there are no real proof just hearsay and "Tree Facts" which could link anything if you try.

The thing I must say is that when someone' quotes

"they tried to get me to join" or "they asked me"

I can tell its not the hole truth by this sort of statement.

How I can tell?:Sorry I will keep to my self because its the only real way I can telll if someone is telling lies or the truth about this subject.

[ho1ogram]

Well, oneofmany, here are my thoughts seen as you so kindly asked. I agree with tin and yourself (apart from wanting to knock out teeth). As I said in my first post, it's definetely full of psychopaths, the kind who hide their behaviour behind titles, jobs and institutions.

After re-reading your first post m3, I reckon you are either taking the piss or you are seriously deluded.

The main source of allegory was the Bible, the contents of which were known to everyone even if they could not read, and the only building described in detail in the Bible was King Solomon's Temple, which became the basis of the ritual.

It's entirely based around the bible, a religious text, but then...

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It demands of its members a belief in a Supreme Being but provides no system of faith of its own.
Freemasonry is open to men of all religious faiths. The discussion of religion at its meetings is forbidden.

So it's main source of allegory is the bible, but it's not a religion although it "demands of it's members a belief in a Supreme Being.."

The Supreme Being
The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him) without the terms of the prayer causing dissention among them.
It's not a religion, all the rituals and craft are based on the bible and King Solomons temple, members join in prayer to The Supreme Being...


There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion he professes.

It's not a religion, it's based on the bible, you pray to a supreme being and mention a "Freemason's God" but not a Masonic God? Who is the supreme being then?

Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being, but He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. There is therefore no composite Masonic God.


It's not a religion, it takes it's cue from the bible, you pray to a God...

Volume of the Sacred Law
The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.

But don't tell me... it's not a religion! I'm with you now..

The Obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on or involve the Volume of the Sacred Law, or the book held sacred by those concerned. But it's not the same Sacred Law mentioned before as The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law
which is always open at every Masonic meeting.
because it's not a religion.


The physical penalties, which are purely symbolic, do not form part of an Obligation. The commitment to follow the principles of Freemasonry is, however, deep.
Deep commitment but it's not a brotherhood...


[B][U]Freemasonry Compared with Religion
Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion.

a) it has no theological doctrine, Like a bible and deep committment to pray to a supreme being. I get ya.


and by forbidding religious discussion but hang on..Volume of the Sacred Law
The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.



[B][U]Freemasonry Supports Religion
Are you sure? I can't see any evidence of that in what you've said.:rolleyes:


Freemasonry: Your Questions Answered
:D ROTFLMAO :D :D :D

Q What happens at a lodge meeting?
If what you have written above is true, then they screw with your head.

I can't make up my mind whether your taking the piss or not. It sounds like you are, but it also sounds exactly like Illuminati methods of brainwashing. The whole thing is based around religious text and a supreme being but they tell you it's not religious. Mind control confusion. Who do you think you are worshipping? Satan, that's who.. or some dark evil God that's screwing with your sub conscious mind and you can't see it... or you're taking the piss... come on you can tell me, you know more than your letting on.

The Supreme Being
The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him) without the terms of the prayer causing dissention among them.

There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion he professes.

Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being, but He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. There is therefore no composite Masonic God.
The whole thing is designed to suck your etheric energy. You probably aren't even aware that you are a supreme being, just like all of us, everyone... Don't bow down to a sick and twisted God or gods. They're sucking you dry and you don't realise it. Check out some info on the dna, vibrations and auras and be aware of yuour beautiful self.
Get out of there.

You are taking the piss aren't you? You can tell me..;)

*sigh* Okay, tell us about the rituals, I wanna know what goes on in there. What are the prayers that you say?

[masonic3]

Well, oneofmany, here are my thoughts seen as you so kindly asked. I agree with tin and yourself (apart from wanting to knock out teeth). As I said in my first post, it's definetely full of psychopaths, the kind who hide their behaviour behind titles, jobs and institutions.

After re-reading your first post m3, I reckon you are either taking the piss or you are seriously deluded.



It's entirely based around the bible, a religious text, but then...


So it's main source of allegory is the bible, but it's not a religion although it "demands of it's members a belief in a Supreme Being.."

It's not a religion, all the rituals and craft are based on the bible and King Solomons temple, members join in prayer to The Supreme Being...



It's not a religion, it's based on the bible, you pray to a supreme being and mention a "Freemason's God" but not a Masonic God? Who is the supreme being then?



It's not a religion, it takes it's cue from the bible, you pray to a God...

But don't tell me... it's not a religion! I'm with you now..

But it's not the same Sacred Law mentioned before as which because it's not a religion.


Deep commitment but it's not a brotherhood...


Like a bible and deep committment to pray to a supreme being. I get ya.


but hang on..

Are you sure? I can't see any evidence of that in what you've said.:rolleyes:


:( ROTFLMAO:(

If what you have written above is true, then they screw with your head.

I can't make up my mind whether your taking the piss or not. It sounds like you are, but it also sounds exactly like Illuminati methods of brainwashing. The whole thing is based around religious text and a supreme being but they tell you it's not religious. Mind control confusion. Who do you think you are worshipping? Satan, that's who.. or some dark evil God that's screwing with your sub conscious mind and you can't see it... or you're taking the piss... come on you can tell me, you know more than your letting on.

The whole thing is designed to suck your etheric energy. You probably aren't even aware that you are a supreme being, just like all of us, everyone... Don't bow down to a sick and twisted God or gods. They're sucking you dry and you don't realise it. Check out some info on the dna, vibrations and auras and be aware of yuour beautiful self.
Get out of there.

You are taking the piss aren't you? You can tell me..;)

*sigh* Okay, tell us about the rituals, I wanna know what goes on in there. What are the prayers that you say?

thanks for your reply and they are very good questions, I will try my best to answer them.

Q.It's entirely based around the bible, a religious text, but then...
A.No its based on the “Morals” of the builders of king Solomon’s temple

Q.So it's main source of allegory is the bible, but it's not a religion although it "demands of it's members a belief in a Supreme Being.."
A. Yes?! Don’t understand? You must have a god.

Q.It's not a religion, all the rituals and craft are based on the bible and King Solomon’s temple, members join in prayer to The Supreme Being...
A.No craft is not based on the bible and has nothing to do with “king Solomon” him self, its based on the “Morals” of the builders of king Solomon’s temple.
Members pray for them self like before Dinner nothing more.

Q.It's not a religion, it's based on the bible, you pray to a supreme being and mention a "Freemason's God" but not a Masonic God? Who is the supreme being then?
A. Freemasonry has no god, the “Supreme Being” is used as a name for all the gods as in your god to stop arguments.
Any religion is welcome but in Lodge you must call your god “Supreme Being”

Q.It's not a religion, it takes it's cue from the bible, you pray to a God...
A. Think I have answered this already.

Q.But don't tell me... it's not a religion! I'm with you now..
A. No way is it a religion.

Q.But it's not the same Sacred Law mentioned before as
A.The word “Sacred Law” another name for the/your holy book to stop arguments

Q.about the bible being open, because it's not a religion.
A there to remind us of our obligation, religion can not be spoken in Masonic Lodge.

Q.Like a bible and deep commitment to pray to a supreme being. I get ya
A. Explained this already

:D ROTFLMAO D To me! X


*sigh* Okay, tell us about the rituals, I wanna know what goes on in there. What are the prayers that you say?[/QUOTE]

I explained the prayers as for the ritual I am not going to say. goole it you may find a bits thats right but I have not seen any yet.;)

P.s. Oh and your right I do know alot more than I let on in fact I have been studying this subject since I was 19, not on the net but in the "Masonic Libary" in Exeter and the UGLE.;)

Please take my post as a Debate not a argument I like the way you are thinking of things you are good at what you do on here.:o
M3

[edelweiss pirate]

This guy's just here to muddy the waters... Most people here realise that.

I say ban him. He contributes nothing but disinfo, he's manipulative (butters you up then slams you down) and starts getting aggressive really easily. He's probably Masonic Light form ATS, an odious troll who once he gets enough cronies infesting a board, can actually use insults and mocking disbelief to discredit and embarrass people who post stuff about satanic abuse that they know about first hand...

I say we finish with this troll. Don't give him the chance to invite his mates.

It may not be a very tolerant attitude but this guy ain't playing by our rules...of reasonable honesty for example. That's why these guys are in charge, because they can lie and cheat. It gives them quite an advantage. He's not an honest mason (if there is such a thing), he's a disinfo pedlar... A real young mason would be in a state of total confusion about nearly everything (reprogramming) and wouldn't come anywhere near this place..I've met 'em, this guy doesn't fit.

[masonic3]

This guy's just here to muddy the waters... Most people here realise that.

I say ban him. He contributes nothing but disinfo, he's manipulative (butters you up then slams you down) and starts getting aggressive really easily. He's probably Masonic Light form ATS, an odious troll who once he gets enough cronies infesting a board, can actually use insults and mocking disbelief to discredit and embarrass people who post stuff about satanic abuse that they know about first hand...

I say we finish with this troll. Don't give him the chance to invite his mates.

It may not be a very tolerant attitude but this guy ain't playing by our rules...of reasonable honesty for example. That's why these guys are in charge, because they can lie and cheat. It gives them quite an advantage. He's not an honest mason (if there is such a thing), he's a disinfo pedlar... A real young mason would be in a state of total confusion about nearly everything (reprogramming) and wouldn't come anywhere near this place..I've met 'em, this guy doesn't fit.

I thought you were banned!? Oh well:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sorry but theres no fairy dust here Peter Pan just a Debate on freemasonry, please do-not post nasty things like that.

Go back to the Joke page where you belong.

[tinmenace]

I will try my best to answer them.

Q.So it's main source of allegory is the bible, but it's not a religion although it "demands of it's members a belief in a Supreme Being.."
A. Yes?! Don’t understand? You must have a god.

Q.It's not a religion, all the rituals and craft are based on the bible and King Solomon’s temple, members join in prayer to The Supreme Being...
A.No craft is not based on the bible and has nothing to do with “king Solomon” him self, its based on the “Morals” of the builders of king Solomon’s temple.
Members pray for them self like before Dinner nothing more.

Q.But don't tell me... it's not a religion! I'm with you now..
A. No way is it a religion.





Why must you have a god?


If it's not a religion, why do you have temples?


Why does Albert Pike, in his book "Morals and Dogma", Pike writes:

"Every Masonic lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion...Masonry, like all religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead...to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it... The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason… every man's conception of God must be proportioned to his mental cultivation, and intellectual powers, and moral excellence. God is, as man conceives him, the reflected image of man himself."


He also says that the lower ranking Feemasons know not what is really going on:

"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry... It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain."

Would you say this describes your current condition?

How do you explain the massive difference between what you believe Freemasonry is, and what the renowned Albert Pike believed it meant?

[oneofmany]

Very good "oneofmany".

Once again you need to show me facts, I didn't mean to upset you.



Facts


This is a fact.

The "sun" is hot=


Heat from the sun
Light from the sunSo on.....


*The Sun----------------------Hot* That is a fact, astraight line fact.

33degrees in a level system.

Talk of 33dg Scothish rite (Which is just the name of a type of ritual every lodge uses the same kind of ritual)
other degrees on a list (After 3rd dg the degrees are the same level there is no higher mason that a master mason)
So on..................


33degrees in a level system-----( Don't know anything about it)33degrees on a list----other degrees on a list



This is a "tree Fact" there is no real fact

If it was

33dg level system--------------------------33 diffrent level Rituals everyone
the mason learns somethingmore

Do you understand?

Once again your not listening to what i said, What i was talking about was my personal experiences. NOTHING MORE. To show you proof of who my grandfather and my uncle are\were would expose my family. My uncle and other members of my family are freemasons but also happen to be public figures in Australia, so by telling you anything about them I expose them to the members of this forum who live in Australia, thus exposing who I am also, I think my family deserve annonimity dont you agree? The only hard proof of anyone in my family being a Freemason is the Rings that I have seen my Uncle wear and now 3 of my cousins, My grandfathers ring was given back after his death so solid evidence is at a premium im afraid.

Im not in possesion of any of my grandfathers belongings, but have seen photos of his initiation to grandmaster in the 80's and yes it said grandmaster ceremony under the photo. Also in the photo is the now Prime Minister of Australia, John Winston Howard who was an underling to my grandfather. My grandfather first joined the freemasons when he became a lewis in Glasgow when he was 21 and have also seen photos of that but once again these things are not in my possesion.

You can either take what i say at face value or you can dismiss it out of hand, the choice is yours. I can only tell you what i have seen and heard unfortunately, I would love to give you the proof you so desire so I could expose this sick society and shut you up once and for all but my Uncle, now knowing my ideology in this subject would rather burn the evidence rather than let me get my hands on it. so my hands are tied.

I dont know what else to tell you!

[oneofmany]

This guy's just here to muddy the waters... Most people here realise that.

I say ban him. He contributes nothing but disinfo, he's manipulative (butters you up then slams you down) and starts getting aggressive really easily. He's probably Masonic Light form ATS, an odious troll who once he gets enough cronies infesting a board, can actually use insults and mocking disbelief to discredit and embarrass people who post stuff about satanic abuse that they know about first hand...

I say we finish with this troll. Don't give him the chance to invite his mates.

It may not be a very tolerant attitude but this guy ain't playing by our rules...of reasonable honesty for example. That's why these guys are in charge, because they can lie and cheat. It gives them quite an advantage. He's not an honest mason (if there is such a thing), he's a disinfo pedlar... A real young mason would be in a state of total confusion about nearly everything (reprogramming) and wouldn't come anywhere near this place..I've met 'em, this guy doesn't fit.

I would have to agree with this pirate, even my masonic family members have standards, and in fact would never divulge what goes on in the confides of their lodges, I have a hard time believing that this guy is even a lower ranked freemason, I think he's here just to take the piss. And yes M3, I was "approached" to be a freemason, wether you believe it or not

[tinmenace]

I dunno, banning him is a bit strong, wouldn't you say? Yeah he's here saying what he's saying but we totally know better, right? I think this is a good example of the extent of indoctrination of people around us, and sometimes the presence of such people is a reminder of how much work we have cut out for us.

Wouldn't it be a huge victory if we could somehow find the On-switch?

If he gets vulgar or ugly, LimeLady will come git 'im ... right LimeLady?... :D

[ho1ogram]

I don't care anymore if he stays or goes. My criticism of his first post before showed me that he is taking the piss.

I would have to agree with this pirate, even my masonic family members have standards, and in fact would never divulge what goes on in the confides of their lodges, I have a hard time believing that this guy is even a lower ranked freemason, I think he's here just to take the piss. And yes M3, I was "approached" to be a freemason, wether you believe it or not

Good point about divulging secrets. My partners Dad showed me his apron, he only went to a few meetings, but he won't tell me what they did or show me the handshake. Every other mason I have met won't tell me a single thing, but they all say it's innocent fun, just a place to hang out. These are all lowly masons so they must really drive the "don't tell anyone our secrets" doctrine home. Just shows how well the symbols and protocols work on the sub conscious mind.

I have been reading up on Boaz. What has he got to do with this in their craft? One of my neighbours became a mason, I said Boaz to him and he smiled and said, "okay what do you know then" thinking I was a mason.

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/pillars.html
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/p153.htm

I would really like more info on what they do and who they refer to. I haven't read Pike's book. Most of this stuff I just had the intuition was dodgy and didn't bother going into the detail, but now I am really curious and much more aware of the way symbology affects us. In fact I think reality itself is a language, I want to learn it and the secret societies are trying to talk over the top of it, so as to drown out what 'reality' is saying to us. That might sound a bit confusing, I'll refine it later and post a thread on it.

Interestingly there is a town in the US called Boaz:
here is their Baptist church: http://www.boaz.net/photos/06-mar2.html
and their public library: http://www.boaz.net/photos/06-mar.html
Man, the library is more of a temple than the church!

Can anybody elaborate on Boaz and other aspects of the craft?

[oneofmany]

Good points hologram :D When the upload section is functional i will upload a recorded seminar that Manly P hall done about Freemasonry before he was killed off for exposing secrets. It's an old recording and gives you an insight into this organisation, it's practices and who they worship. Also I came across this website http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/index.htm when looking up something completely different and the information this guy came up with correlated to a masonic board that he came across, which blew my mind, because the info on this site is explosive for a heap of agendas, and I haven't heard anyone here mention Wayne Herschel before. Anyhow, the website is pretty big and i don't remember exactly where the board is in relation to the website, but it's there, and goes into their religious aspects. Worth a look in my opinion.

[lightbeing]

To masonic3,

This is my experience of the masons:-

I have a mate who joined them a few years back. A few months in he tried on a number of occasions to get me to join, at first it was subtle, then it got more obvious. I got very uncomfortable with this as he wasn't like this before (easy going, never tried to force opinions on individuals).
At this time I suddenly got a very bad feeling about the masons, it was a sick feeling in my stomach:eek: I took this as an extreme 'gut feeling' not to join up.
Then when Icke came along with his views on the masons, all became clear....
It is unfortunate, but my mate has changed since joining up, he has become more withdrawn.

[ho1ogram]

If what m3 said goes on at meetings is true, then it's a perfect example of Illuminati procedures.
First -all the religious stuff; King Solomon's temple, bible open at every meeting, must believe in a deity to be a member, prayers before bedtime, etc. So they make sure everyone is a believer/follower/worshiper of some sort.
Second - they deny everything that is plainly obvious about the above. No, we are not a religion, blah, blah, blah. Typical Illuminati logic; deny what is in front of your eyes.
Third - the bible, the sacred law, is open at every meeting. Classic Illuminati mind control; a symbol of fear as the centrepiece of proceedings.

And this is just from what m3 has said. In what other ways do they twist logic and use symbols at the meetings?

They have the classic pyramid structure going on, with the bottom feeder masons like m3 and people like lightbeing's friend recruiting for them.

Thank you m3 for giving me the opportunity to see freemasonry with more clarity. Like lightbeing, I just had bad vibes from it and never really bothered to look into it, but just accepted that it was dodgy especially after reading Icke. Now I have a greater understanding of how freemasonry takes a hold of new members so quickly and why they are so keen to talk it up and promote it. I always wondered why that was when the masons I met told me meetings were rather ordinary and sometimes boring. Yet they kept going back!

[masonic3]

If what m3 said goes on at meetings is true, then it's a perfect example of Illuminati procedures.
First -all the religious stuff; King Solomon's temple, bible open at every meeting, must believe in a deity to be a member, prayers before bedtime, etc. So they make sure everyone is a believer/follower/worshiper of some sort.
Second - they deny everything that is plainly obvious about the above. No, we are not a religion, blah, blah, blah. Typical Illuminati logic; deny what is in front of your eyes.
Third - the bible, the sacred law, is open at every meeting. Classic Illuminati mind control; a symbol of fear as the centrepiece of proceedings.

And this is just from what m3 has said. In what other ways do they twist logic and use symbols at the meetings?

They have the classic pyramid structure going on, with the bottom feeder masons like m3 and people like lightbeing's friend recruiting for them.

Thank you m3 for giving me the opportunity to see freemasonry with more clarity. Like lightbeing, I just had bad vibes from it and never really bothered to look into it, but just accepted that it was dodgy especially after reading Icke. Now I have a greater understanding of how freemasonry takes a hold of new members so quickly and why they are so keen to talk it up and promote it. I always wondered why that was when the masons I met told me meetings were rather ordinary and sometimes boring. Yet they kept going back!




Ok I Give up, I was asked here to take you from the truth I don't care any more,
My real name is S. H M I am 48 years old.

That all I will say


I am from UGLE/s I am not saying any more than just read :

Q.It's entirely based around the bible, a religious text, but then...
yep alot of secrets are hidden bible meaning look into “Bible Code”

Q.So it's main source of allegory is the bible, but it's not a religion although it "demands of it's members a belief in a Supreme Being.."
Supreme being in after 15th orders is a man called:

Robert Reid (This man runs freemasonry)the funny thing is, he is from the USA.
I don't think you will find anything on him try and look into "Paul Reid" who was his in the job before him, they take the second name when taking this Oath The “Reid” is a blood line and its (not he its it) is above any degrees could say 34th . Degree or “Cosmo-politism”
The 33 degree Scottish rite is just a ritual but is pushed to throw off the “Goats”(we call you people the Goats). There are 33dg

I know of five orders in England which use the name “Illuminati” you must understand I have not been in any of these temples you must be a second generation “Lewis” or have the right to the 15Th Degree
We call them the “illuminated ones”

This goes deeper than I will ever know.

Please forgive and I may join this furom one day with my real ID

Thankyou

S. H Mac…….

[tinmenace]

Yeah but you still didn't answer my questions, and I recall you saying very specifically that you would always be open and honest and answer all questions.
So, here goes the repost of my earlier thread:



Originally Posted by masonic3 View Post
I will try my best to answer them.

Q.So it's main source of allegory is the bible, but it's not a religion although it "demands of it's members a belief in a Supreme Being.."
A. Yes?! Don’t understand? You must have a god.

Q.It's not a religion, all the rituals and craft are based on the bible and King Solomon’s temple, members join in prayer to The Supreme Being...
A.No craft is not based on the bible and has nothing to do with “king Solomon” him self, its based on the “Morals” of the builders of king Solomon’s temple.
Members pray for them self like before Dinner nothing more.

Q.But don't tell me... it's not a religion! I'm with you now..
A. No way is it a religion.


Why must you have a god?


If it's not a religion, why do you have temples?


Why does Albert Pike, in his book "Morals and Dogma", Pike writes:

"Every Masonic lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion...Masonry, like all religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead...to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it... The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason… every man's conception of God must be proportioned to his mental cultivation, and intellectual powers, and moral excellence. God is, as man conceives him, the reflected image of man himself."


He also says that the lower ranking Feemasons know not what is really going on:

"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry... It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain."

Would you say this describes your current condition?

How do you explain the massive difference between what you believe Freemasonry is, and what the renowned Albert Pike believed it meant?

[ho1ogram]

In regards to post #47 where I mentioned Boaz;
I read the book of Ruth in the old testament and it appears it is a bloodline thing (gee, that surprised me...). Boaz is the great grandfather of David "Israel's greatest king".

I wonder if the bottom feeder masons are represented by Boaz and can strive to be closer to King David, ie; if you're ruthless enough you can get closer to the mason's supreme being, the reptillian god.

If I'm not mistaken Boaz is also the name of one of the pillars that supports King Solomon's temple. http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/pillars.html
In other words, the bottom feeder masons are the support base for the top of the pyramid grand poobah.

Can anyone elaborate on the Boaz thing? I'm wondering if I am on the right path with my thought's here. As I said earlier, I previouosly judged masonry by the vibes I had and never looked at the details. I spose I'll go and read up on Solomon's temple.

oneofmany or anybody else, do you know anything about what m3 said above, is it just more bullshit?

[pollock]

Ok, this is not my kind discussion, but Goats?
I thought that was funny!

:D
F

[tinmenace]

In regards to post #47 where I mentioned Boaz;
I read the book of Ruth in the old testament and it appears it is a bloodline thing (gee, that surprised me...). Boaz is the great grandfather of David "Israel's greatest king".

I wonder if the bottom feeder masons are represented by Boaz and can strive to be closer to King David, ie; if you're ruthless enough you can get closer to the mason's supreme being, the reptillian god.

If I'm not mistaken Boaz is also the name of one of the pillars that supports King Solomon's temple. http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/pillars.html
In other words, the bottom feeder masons are the support base for the top of the pyramid grand poobah.

Can anyone elaborate on the Boaz thing? I'm wondering if I am on the right path with my thought's here. As I said earlier, I previouosly judged masonry by the vibes I had and never looked at the details. I spose I'll go and read up on Solomon's temple.

oneofmany or anybody else, do you know anything about what m3 said above, is it just more bullshit?



I used to call my ex-mother in law an old goat. Is that the same thing?? :confused:

But seriously...I know very little about the characters in the bible. I was always more interested in the "chariots of fire" and the "parting of the seas".

I think your line of thought is an interesting one. Let me know what you find. If I didn't already have three other projects to work on, I'd help you with your research. I'm working on a post on Venus Columbo, biblical references to UFO's and Triumphal arches.

[jimijams]

The 33 degree Scottish rite is just a ritual but is pushed to throw off the “Goats”(we call you people the Goats). There are 33dg
...and thats why you have us call our children kids. So much of our everyday language is given to us by masonry.

[jimijams]

There are 33dg The sun sets at 33 degrees and it is also the age Jesus died, but according to many researchers on freemasonry life begins at 40(degrees) and there are in fact 360 degrees in the highest orders.

[oneofmany]

The thing I must say is that when someone' quotes

"they tried to get me to join" or "they asked me"

I can tell its not the hole truth by this sort of statement.

How I can tell?:Sorry I will keep to my self because its the only real way I can telll if someone is telling lies or the truth about this subject.

Let me go into a bit more detail about how i was approached, because I know what you are referring to by these comments. The first time I brought up the Freemasons to my grandfather, I was just after general information about how it all worked and what it was all about, as it was at a Christmas party, it was all general conversation. and at no time did I approach my grandfather about joining. The next time we met, He thought that my general inquiry at the Christmas party was more than it was and he casually said to me "were you asking to join" and my reply was that I already knew what the Freemasons were all about and that nothing was furtherest from my mind. Right there I knew that my grandfather had made a mistake, by approaching me the way he did as I know for a fact that you have to ask them to join. From there I told him what I knew and he never once denied any of what I said, but neither did he confirm it. I was not looked on as a nut, and the matter was dropped after he knew that I knew.

I hope this answer satisfies you that i am not lying about the matter.

[masonic3]

The sun sets at 33 degrees and it is also the age Jesus died, but according to many researchers on freemasonry life begins at 40(degrees) and there are in fact 360 degrees in the highest orders.

There are that I know of 33 degrees then after its the "Reid" the Reid is higher than any degree the "Reid only answers to the "Council of 9" No one I know as seen anything of the council of 9, all that I know is that the "9" is always writen with the number and not like this "Nine"? I don't know why?

I am at the 23 Degree and I can't get any higher as I do not have the right blood line.
The 33 degrees are all over the bible some say the bible was changed by the first "Reid" to hide the truth, I don't want to repeat my self but you need to look into bible code thats the answers you have been looking for.

Look for time of death of Jesus who was there? The "Reid"? thats all I will say.

illuminated ones
I can not become this level as I do not have the right blood line but I know many and "Blair" is on there members lists I have seen it.
the illuminated ones are very close to the "Reid" so they must be close to the "c of 9".? no more info?

[masonic3]

Let me go into a bit more detail about how i was approached, because I know what you are referring to by these comments. The first time I brought up the Freemasons to my grandfather, I was just after general information about how it all worked and what it was all about, as it was at a Christmas party, it was all general conversation. and at no time did I approach my grandfather about joining. The next time we met, He thought that my general inquiry at the Christmas party was more than it was and he casually said to me "were you asking to join" and my reply was that I already knew what the Freemasons were all about and that nothing was furtherest from my mind. Right there I knew that my grandfather had made a mistake, by approaching me the way he did as I know for a fact that you have to ask them to join. From there I told him what I knew and he never once denied any of what I said, but neither did he confirm it. I was not looked on as a nut, and the matter was dropped after he knew that I knew.

I hope this answer satisfies you that i am not lying about the matter.

Ok
Look nice try but your ancestors were sent to Australia by my Great Grandfathers for a reason, not because your trust worthy.
Been on the internet have we?

So stop it “ Oneofmany” Criminals . (Just a Joke):p

Please PM me your grandfathers name then I can look up his masonic career for you.
Not to hunt you down and replace you with a clone!! ha ha! That would be stupid!? or would it?:cool:

[oneofmany]

I don't quite know what to make of this responce, If your saying that I am lying and that i looked whatever your refering to up, I wouldn't even know where to start but that's your opinion and your entitled to it. but your words got me to thinking about the whole incident and what you really meant by your words, then I remembered the look on my Grandfathers face when I refused his advance and how he looked like he had done something wrong by asking me to join, I just put two ant two together, and with your responce, you have confirmed my suspisions that I was right and that you have to ask a freemason to join.

Thanks M3, you've been most helpful

[masonic3]

I don't quite know what to make of this responce, If your saying that I am lying and that i looked whatever your refering to up, I wouldn't even know where to start but that's your opinion and your entitled to it. but your words got me to thinking about the whole incident and what you really meant by your words, then I remembered the look on my Grandfathers face when I refused his advance and how he looked like he had done something wrong by asking me to join, I just put two ant two together, and with your responce, you have confirmed my suspisions that I was right and that you have to ask a freemason to join.

Thanks M3, you've been most helpful

All good "oneofmany" pm me your grandfathers name

[oneofmany]

All good "oneofmany" pm me your grandfathers name
Can you find out for me about his Australian Freemason career?

[masonic3]

Can you find out for me about his Australian Freemason career?

Yes I could find out alot for you but its up to you i could find out if he had the right to the higher degrees.
Sounds like he did to me from what you have said, you do relise that your Gfathers name is in history for ever.

Witout being funny to me, didn't you ever feel like following your grandfathers foot steps?

[oneofmany]

Yes I could find out alot for you but its up to you i could find out if he had the right to the higher degrees.
Sounds like he did to me from what you have said, you do relise that your Gfathers name is in history for ever.

Witout being funny to me, didn't you ever feel like following your grandfathers foot steps?
To be honest, he carried around a lot of Scottish bullshit, that I found just wrong to me, I mean after 50 years of living in Australia, he still cultivated a Scottish accent while my mother has been living here for the same amount of time, and you could hardly tell where she came from. All the Scottish societies and pipe bands he belonged to gave me the feeling that he never wanted to be in my country, so why would I have wanted to be a part of his secular life, if you know what i mean. I still have the problem of you knowing exactly who my other living family members are by knowing who my grandfather is, as I say, my uncle has made a lot of money through the connections he has made through Freemasonry, and I wouldn't want to out him so to speak. His family (the one he married into) don't look too kindly on these sorts of things, they pay people to look after their privacy. I believe he would find out If somebody went snooping for Information on our Family, and the first person he'd ask is me.

I would personally love to find out how far down the rabbit hole my grandfather went down, but for the rest of the family's privacy, I have to say no.

[masonic3]

To be honest, he carried around a lot of Scottish bullshit, that I found just wrong to me, I mean after 50 years of living in Australia, he still cultivated a Scottish accent while my mother has been living here for the same amount of time, and you could hardly tell where she came from. All the Scottish societies and pipe bands he belonged to gave me the feeling that he never wanted to be in my country, so why would I have wanted to be a part of his secular life, if you know what i mean. I still have the problem of you knowing exactly who my other living family members are by knowing who my grandfather is, as I say, my uncle has made a lot of money through the connections he has made through Freemasonry, and I wouldn't want to out him so to speak. His family (the one he married into) don't look too kindly on these sorts of things, they pay people to look after their privacy. I believe he would find out If somebody went snooping for Information on our Family, and the first person he'd ask is me.

I would personally love to find out how far down the rabbit hole my grandfather went down, but for the rest of the family's privacy, I have to say no.

Ok no problrem this is goodbye as I have just got my self banned to stop me writing on this furom anymore,

God bless you all and look for the truth

p.s. lime sucks

P.P.S From Lime: Sorry you feel that way....Just doing my job M3.

[oneofmany]

what did M3 do wrong this time?

[ho1ogram]

G'day oneofmany,
he was getting personal with a couple of mods, dunno the full story. He'll be back in 10 days.
cheers
h :)

[limelady]

Masonic3 has obviously taken objection to a little bit of advice I offered him in a PM last week after one of his reported posts. Instead of replying to me personally, he decided to make public his views on what he thought of my advice. What a pity he decided on this course of action.

Please note it was due to an insulting signiture at the bottom of his posts today (about myself), that prompted FA tonto to give him points. M3 then became abusive and threatening in PMs to tonto, so the moderators on duty at that time made the decision to ban him for 10 days I was not online at that time.

[oneofmany]

Ok, I was just weedling out some of his precious information, this argument can wait, until (if) he comes back.

[tinmenace]

http://www.paulhobson.co.uk/seal%20waving.jpg

Bye M3

[edelweiss pirate]

I don't quite know what to make of this responce, If your saying that I am lying and that i looked whatever your refering to up, I wouldn't even know where to start but that's your opinion and your entitled to it. but your words got me to thinking about the whole incident and what you really meant by your words, then I remembered the look on my Grandfathers face when I refused his advance and how he looked like he had done something wrong by asking me to join, I just put two ant two together, and with your responce, you have confirmed my suspisions that I was right and that you have to ask a freemason to join.

Thanks M3, you've been most helpful

Oh dear... he's got his hooks in you sir.

The ultimate masonic secret is that you're not supposed to join in the first place.

So he's actually exposed himself as a disinfo merchant. 'Told to keep them off the truth' and you still want the guy here...

Sounds like the start of a dodgy horror movie dude.... if I was you, I'd leave the rickety old manor well alone and get on with your life.

[oneofmany]

Oh dear... he's got his hooks in you sir.

The ultimate masonic secret is that you're not supposed to join in the first place.

So he's actually exposed himself as a disinfo merchant. 'Told to keep them off the truth' and you still want the guy here...

Sounds like the start of a dodgy horror movie dude.... if I was you, I'd leave the rickety old manor well alone and get on with your life.

Where did i ever say I wanted him here? I just asked why he got banned. But I will miss my little stouches with him. Read my posts and you will come to the conclusion that I never wanted to join EVER, so I don't really know what your on about to be honest.

[notaslave]

Well that was an interesting discussion and such a shame Masonic3 got himself banned as I still wanted resolution of the chess board floor and why sometimes it looks like a regular chessboard and other times it is offset, as though it must face a certain direction "like Mecca".

I have masons in my family but they wont answer any questions. So I long since learned to stop asking.

[tinmenace]

The ban is lifted in 10 days I believe. He'll be back.

[edelweiss pirate]

But why?

The Guy has admitted to being sent here to put us off the truth...

Which I've been telling ya'll from the start...

Do you want him to keep doing this?

Not getting it I'm afraid....

[tinmenace]

Right, I totally understand EP, but the decision is not mine to make. To the best of my understanding, the ban is lifted but can be made permanent if necessary.

So, let's see what happens. Trust me, the administrator and senior mods of this forum are aware and capable. If there's an issue, just PM one of the mods and someone will get right on it.

But, don't let it affect you. You know what it's about, I know what it's about, and the best part is that THEY know that we know. Hence the utter desperation on their part. ;)

[truthsayer]

Its an all boys elite club, who cares? What I am more concerned about is the bloodline links and manipulation.

You can feed us your copy and past story, but if you were of any importance at your lodge or even within the FM you certainly wouldn't be on this forum divulging your dirty little secrets.

On a side note, I have never ever wanted to be part of a group that considers its self above others, on the contrary I am already part of a very special group, called the human race and that's enough of a privilege for me, thank you very much.

[masonic3]

Its an all boys elite club, who cares? What I am more concerned about is the bloodline links and manipulation.

You can feed us your copy and past story, but if you were of any importance at your lodge or even within the FM you certainly wouldn't be on this forum divulging your dirty little secrets.

On a side note, I have never ever wanted to be part of a group that considers its self above others, on the contrary I am already part of a very special group, called the human race and that's enough of a privilege for me, thank you very much.

I do think I am better than everyone else and you, when we are stood in the supermarket and I am stood next to you, I look at you and think;

"You go on with your ant like lives and feed us the sugar from your labour, carry on working for me, the earth is ours to rule and you must carry on and be this way till you escape this, then you will be inslaved again, but forever

[tinmenace]

I do think I am better than everyone else

That's really sad.

[masonic3]

That's really sad.

I don't think that really just made it up!!!

[oneofmany]

I do think I am better than everyone else and you, when we are stood in the supermarket and I am stood next to you, I look at you and think;

"You go on with your ant like lives and feed us the sugar from your labour, carry on working for me, the earth is ours to rule and you must carry on and be this way till you escape this, then you will be inslaved again, but foreverHee hee aren't you a factory worker? how are you better than anyone at all?

[pollock]

"You go on with your ant like lives and feed us the sugar from your labour, carry on working for me, the earth is ours to rule and you must carry on and be this way till you escape this, then you will be inslaved again, but forever

Poor little thing, I don't work for you!
You might get the scraps of your masters table but not the sugar from my labour!

Think again (or just think)
F

[masonic3]

Hee hee aren't you a factory worker? how are you better than anyone at all?

Lame and incorrect!!

Why try and be personal?:rolleyes:

I was going to lay into you, but NO I am not.

Peace to all men!

[tinmenace]

Thank you M3, and also thanks for changing "goats" to "banned words" on a different thread. I appreciate that.

Everyone, please remember not to attack each other on a personal level. It really doesn't achieve anything. I'm not directing this at anyone specifically, but to every one in general.

Let's debate away, but let's stay on topic.

[oneofmany]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif Please welcome me!! (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9605#post9605)

Hello every one I am Chris or (masonic3).
I live in Plymouth England, I work for a Factory called "Fine Tubes"
If you want to have a look www.finetubes.blogspot.com:o

I made this site as a joke!!...

Is this one of yours, or am I exaggerating :rolleyes: c'mon mate, you must think your dealing with idiots here.

[masonic3]

Is this one of yours, or am I exaggerating :rolleyes: c'mon mate, you must think your dealing with idiots here.

I told you I made it all up?:rolleyes: so I could pretent to be on your level :D

I am not here to talk about freemasonry anymore. so do one, oneofmany

Everyone on here knows more than me about Freemasonry, even though I am A Grand Lodge officer and bear the right to the 15 Degree

[masonic3]

Thank you M3, and also thanks for changing "goats" to "banned words" on a different thread. I appreciate that.

Everyone, please remember not to attack each other on a personal level. It really doesn't achieve anything. I'm not directing this at anyone specifically, but to every one in general.

Let's debate away, but let's stay on topic.

Thats ok princess you only have to ask! ;)

[siliconpsychosis]

Masonic3 perhaps you would like to follow in the footsteps of Aldous Huxley, William Burroughs, Groucho Marx, Terence McKenna and Bill Gates, to name but a few.
Take LSD, bypass intellectual debate and you may find the truth.

[masonic3]

Masonic3 perhaps you would like to follow in the footsteps of Aldous Huxley, William Burroughs, Groucho Marx, Terence McKenna and Bill Gates, to name but a few.
Take LSD, bypass intellectual debate and you may find the truth.

Take LSD? If only you knew my back ground for some of my life look at this site at the BIO -real stuff

http://www.isound.com/davros_and_the_monday_club

Thats how I started, I have many experices on Mexican Mushrooms ,english magic mushrooms, LSD(many types in 90's) also XTC and cocaine.
If you want to know more PM and I will tell you what happen to me when I was tripping and I fell asleep and got locked in a dream....PM for more don't want to put it on here.

[oneofmany]

change my nasty words to oneofmanytheifsIs this meant to escape my attention? Who do you think you are, calling me a thief? Anymore insults to come from you? Your so pathetic that your comical Grandmaster 3 :D (bullshit)

[edelweiss pirate]

I do think I am better than everyone else and you, when we are stood in the supermarket and I am stood next to you, I look at you and think;

"You go on with your ant like lives and feed us the sugar from your labour, carry on working for me, the earth is ours to rule and you must carry on and be this way till you escape this, then you will be inslaved again, but forever

Funny that M3 because what I know of Masonry it is YOU who are the worker ants who must toil ceaselessly (often without even knowing why) to build this world of mud for us.

We are the Kings of the world you lot are our slaves.

I felt the burden once M3, and would have been happy to carry it but those those guys and girls all seemed so sad.... Like someone broke their heart.... Something didn't feel right about it.

Now I've found something even better... Personal power... Who needs gangs!

[eternal_spirit]

Someone explain this......To join the Masons you have to take part in rituals and swear an allegiance to their brotherhood etc etc.

Once you're in how do you get out? Are you free to walk away and leave at any time?

[masonic3]

Someone explain this......To join the Masons you have to take part in rituals and swear an allegiance to their brotherhood etc etc.

Once you're in how do you get out? Are you free to walk away and leave at any time?

Don't be scared to ask me questions, why say "Someone" like who??:confused:

Once you're a mason, thats it your one for life, but you can give up if you want(We call it taking the pill) :eek:

I would nver take the pill;)

[pollock]

I think this thread should also be moved to the humour section:)

F

[masonic3]

I think this thread should also be moved to the humour section:)

F

look at Ickes lodges web site today it has both pics on it and quotes his name, told you!!

[edelweiss pirate]

Masonic 3 has photoshopped a crude semblence of Icke onto that photo.

If you look carefully in the original photo the 'Icke' is looking straight at the camera, in M3's piece of troll work he is in slight profile and the back of his head looks pixelated..

How long before this troll is banned Mods?

How much shit do you want on this forum?

Times like this when I wish this forum wasn't quite so well moderated so I could give you the goddam verbal mauling you deserve you &^#&#% @##^&#....

BAN THIS #%#@% PLEEEEASSEE!

[masonic3]

Masonic 3 has photoshopped a crude semblence of Icke onto that photo.

If you look carefully in the original photo the 'Icke' is looking straight at the camera, in M3's piece of troll work he is in slight profile and the back of his head looks pixelated..

How long before this troll is banned Mods?

How much shit do you want on this forum?

Times like this when I wish this forum wasn't quite so well moderated so I could give you the goddam verbal mauling you deserve you &^#&#% @##^&#....

BAN THIS #%#@% PLEEEEASSEE!


Your lame and insane, smoking, life down the drain.........

[oneofmany]

Your lame and insane, smoking, life down the drain.........

You are a dead set troll, nothing more, and your bagging the pirate because he sees right through you? get a life, and stop bothering the people on this forum who want to have an honest post. You already showed your colours to me when you took a stab at me in the fine print of a revised post. You don't have the balls to say what you mean, so you sneak around an issue, while belittling someone because they don't sink to your standards. Your wrong with your previous posts when you say you have to fit in to our level. It's more like you have to raise yourself to ours. I tell you what, It must take some energy to do that, but on the other hand, at least we don't suck the energy from you, which must give you an advantage huh?

[pollock]

Your lame and insane, smoking, life down the drain.........

Ok, we might need a new section all together, how about "the sandpile section" or "retorting to name calling in lack of intelligent response section" :)

F

[oneofmany]

Ok, we might need a new section all together, how about "the sandpile section" or "retorting to name calling in lack of intelligent response section" :)

Fall to true pollock :D He couldn't come back with a witty response if he tried

[masonic3]

You are a dead set troll, nothing more, and your bagging the pirate because he sees right through you? get a life, and stop bothering the people on this forum who want to have an honest post. You already showed your colours to me when you took a stab at me in the fine print of a revised post. You don't have the balls to say what you mean, so you sneak around an issue, while belittling someone because they don't sink to your standards. Your wrong with your previous posts when you say you have to fit in to our level. It's more like you have to raise yourself to ours. I tell you what, It must take some energy to do that, but on the other hand, at least we don't suck the energy from you, which must give you an advantage huh?

What has this got to do with the Post?

Mods: Nothing?

I am not going to kick off, so nice try "oneofmany" this all you can think of? Very lame.

I have had some support of late from members of this forum, they PM me and told me that in some many words that just because I bear the right to freemasonry is not going to make me a bad person.
Also some members just PM for chit chat......Who are nice and I like them.

You seem angry and have nothing nice to add to this thred so please stop posting on it.

[masonic3]

all to true pollock :D He couldn't come back with a witty response if he tried

Its hard to answer when pps are just banging the drum all the time of "Ban him"Ban him"

Lame what can I do when you all gang up.

[oneofmany]

What has this got to do with the Post?

Mods: Nothing?

I am not going to kick off, so nice try "oneofmany" this all you can think of? Very lame.

I have had some support of late from members of this forum, they PM me and told me that in some many words that just because I bear the right to freemasonry is not going to make me a bad person.
Also some members just PM for chit chat......Who are nice and I like them.

You seem angry and have nothing nice to add to this thred so please stop posting on it.

your the only one posting negativity on this thread, you like calling people lame, but you lack a response to peoples questions. It has plenty to do with your responses to other peoples posts and in particular your backhanded attempt to call me a thief. This is a free forum, as i have heard you say on occasion, and I will post what I feel is right. however, your overall demeanour, lacks any credibility as far as I am concerned, and your moral standing in this forum is bankrupt. so the more you slag off other patrons of this forum, the more I will be your moral compass, as so far as I will see you all the way to the door. I will stop posting on this thread when you stop ridiculing other posters and start acting like a poster on this forum should. With respect for other posters, with your goat comments among others, shows you don't. the Pirate is right Im afraid, with what he says, your not worth the computer time you were typed with. Sorry.

[pollock]

Its hard to answer when pps are just banging the drum all the time of "Ban him"Ban him"

Lame what can I do when you all gang up.

Find out what it is about your behaviour that makes people react the way they do and change it? Or is it all the others that should change in your oppinion?

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[masonic3]

your the only one posting negativity on this thread, you like calling people lame, but you lack a response to peoples questions. It has plenty to do with your responses to other peoples posts and in particular your backhanded attempt to call me a thief. This is a free forum, as i have heard you say on occasion, and I will post what I feel is right. however, your overall demeanour, lacks any credibility as far as I am concerned, and your moral standing in this forum is bankrupt. so the more you slag off other patrons of this forum, the more I will be your moral compass, as so far as I will see you all the way to the door. I will stop posting on this thread when you stop ridiculing other posters and start acting like a poster on this forum should. With respect for otrer posters, with your goat comments among others, shows you don't. the Pirate is right Im afraid, with what he says, your not worth the computer time you were typed with. Sorry.

Once again I have alot of support from members of this forum, i understand that they do not want to be seen talking to me on here(Because people like you) so they PM me.
So your really being silly and trying to get personnal , so this thread should be locked?!
I only say the word "Lame" when people try and attack me, before I would go off on one and end up with points or a ban like you.

You seem angry and theres something deeper about freemasonry you don't like than you let on. I don't know.

[oneofmany]

Once again I have alot of support from members of this forum, i understand that they do not want to be seen talking to me on here(Because people like you) so they PM me.
So your really being silly and trying to get personnal , so this thread should be locked?!
I only say the word "Lame" when people try and attack me, before I would go off on one and end up with points or a ban like you.

You seem angry and theres something deeper about freemasonry you don't like than you let on. I don't know.

It's nothing to do with freemasonry, and everything to do with your personal comments towards not only me, but a lot of other posters. you are good with insults and name calling, but you don't answer even the most elementary questions of posters that are interested in your so called expertise? Why then are you here? The only reason I can surmise is to cause trouble, which you do in abundance. so do us all a favour and go to a masonic site and post there if they will have you.

[masonic3]

It's nothing to do with freemasonry, and everything to do with your personal comments towards not only me, but a lot of other posters. you are good with insults and name calling, but you don't answer even the most elementary questions of posters that are interested in your so called expertise? Why then are you here? The only reason I can surmise is to cause trouble, which you do in abundance. so do us all a favour and go to a masonic site and post there if they will have you.

:p Problem-Reaction-Solution:p

Come on cheer up my old friend, you never have been this low before.
You have always had a good debate with me and had a stronge answer and a good point of veiw.

This is not the oneofmany that I have met sword to sword with?

[pollock]

lol:D

[oneofmany]

:p Problem-Reaction-Solution:p

Come on cheer up my old friend, you never have been this low before.
You have always had a good debate with me and had a stronge answer and a good point of veiw.

This is not the oneofmany that I have met sword to sword with?

This still leaves you without answers though doesn't it? There is no problem to me if you act like a human on this forum. The reaction is not only coming from me but a myriad of others, and the solution for you is to go where someone will talk to you in a civilised fashion, ie a masonic forum. Have I answered your enquiry?

[masonic3]

This still leaves you without answers though doesn't it? There is no problem to me if you act like a human on this forum. The reaction is not only coming from me but a myriad of others, and the solution for you is to go where someone will talk to you in a civilised fashion, ie a masonic forum. Have I answered your enquiry?

:p Perhaps we should all march in the Goose(Or duck step if you have duck flu) step and wear gray "OneofMany"?.:p

Shame your ok

[oneofmany]

:p Perhaps we should all march in the Goose(Or duck step if you have duck flu) step and wear gray "OneofMany"?.:p

Shame your ok
Im happy to leave it at that, a goose step for a feathered friend after all

[masonic3]

Im happy to leave it at that, a goose step for a feathered friend after all

LOL :D

[oneofmany]

LOL :DIt's been fun, but now it's time to hit the goose down pillow on my feathered nest. Goodnight

[edelweiss pirate]

Mods, I would like to know how a guy can come onto this forum, declare himself a mason troll who has been sent here to put us off the truth... then post a poorly photoshopped picture of Icke as a mason...

And still be here???

What's going on mods?.. and who are those folks who are sending this guy all those lovely Pm's... what's that all about? Best not to feed the troll in my view...

Come on mods... you've got all the evidence you need... He needs banning, he probably doesn't even want to be here anyway.. remember, he's under orders... you'd be doing the poor guy (and us) a favour...

It's the only humane thing to do to end this freak circus...

[montag]

Hi edelweiss pirate, please contact me or one of the other moderators by pm if you have any concerns or queries and we will be happy to respond.

Montag

[masonic3]

Mods, I would like to know how a guy can come onto this forum, declare himself a mason troll who has been sent here to put us off the truth... then post a poorly photoshopped picture of Icke as a mason...

And still be here???

What's going on mods?.. and who are those folks who are sending this guy all those lovely Pm's... what's that all about? Best not to feed the troll in my view...

Come on mods... you've got all the evidence you need... He needs banning, he probably doesn't even want to be here anyway.. remember, he's under orders... you'd be doing the poor guy (and us) a favour...

It's the only humane thing to do to end this freak circus...


MODS

If I posted this I would get points, so can you sort it out PLEASE.

[masonic3]

http://www.drunkenhero.com/terry_nw.jpg

The curse is apon you, HAAA HAA HHAAAA (And a little one )Ha haa haa!

[garth]

http://www.drunkenhero.com/terry_nw.jpg

The curse is apon you, HAAA HAA HHAAAA (And a little one )Ha haa haa!

WTF..this thread is nuts, or more like the nuts have escaped from the funny farm......mad

[shansuke]

hi folks this is my first post......why ban the mason it feels to mutch like a witch hunt hes good for debates without having someone speek from another vew wee wont get verry far.....i say keep him as our little pet lizard.hope i havent offended anyone.

[masonic3]

hi folks this is my first post......why ban the mason it feels to mutch like a witch hunt hes good for debates without having someone speek from another vew wee wont get verry far.....i say keep him as our little pet lizard.hope i havent offended anyone.

Well thankyou for posting on my thread!!!

Just finding where you live so I can send the Men round to get you!! I love to eat new blood!! yum!:p

[garth]

I have theory in regard to what encourages men to join freemasonry

My theory is that they suffer from premature ejaculation or sexual dysfunction and therefore, not being able to satisfy their mate feel inferior.

Joining a "secret" group appeals, particularly when it is a group that promotes their members to be superior above the general populace. They try to create a feeling of dignity and superiority above others to offset their feelings of worthlessness and inferiority in the sack.

judging by the "superoir" views displayed in the freemasonry threads on this forum, maybe this is the case here?

[montag]

edelweiss pirate I have deleted your last two posts, please refer to my post #116 and contact me by pm if you want to discuss this further.

Montag

[3ill]

:eek: Freemasonary in England today
I have decided to write this thread and put some of the “myths” to rights on this forum, as a lot of members think they know “facts.” In reality, what you are about to read is “fact.”
This is fact because I say it is, as I am a Freemason in England today.

How it began in England:)
It is not known. The earliest recorded 'making' of a Freemason in England is that of Elias Ashmole in 1646. Organised Freemasonry began with the founding of the Grand Lodge of England on 24 June 1717, the first Grand Lodge in the world. Ireland followed in 1725 and Scotland in 1736. All the regular Grand Lodges in the world trace themselves back to one or more of the Grand Lodges in the British Isles. There are two main theories of origin. According to one, the operative stonemasons who built the great cathedrals and castles had lodges in which they discussed trade affairs. They had simple initiation ceremonies and, as there were no City and Guilds certificates, dues cards or trade union membership cards, they adopted secret signs and words to demonstrate that they were trained masons when they moved from site to site. In the 1600s, these operative lodges began to accept non-operatives as "gentlemen masons". Gradually this non-operative took over the lodges and turned them from operative to 'free and accepted' or 'speculative' lodges. The other theory is that in the late 1500s and early 1600s, there was a group which was interested in the promotion of religious and political tolerance in an age of great intolerance when differences of opinion on matters of religion and politics were to lead to bloody civil war. In forming Freemasonry, they were trying to make better men and build a better world. As the means of teaching in those days was by allegory and symbolism, they took the idea of building as the central allegory on which to form their system. The main source of allegory was the Bible, the contents of which were known to everyone even if they could not read, and the only building described in detail in the Bible was King Solomon's Temple, which became the basis of the ritual. The old trade guilds provided them with their basis administration of a Master, Wardens, Treasurer and Secretary, and the operative mason's tools provided them with a wealth of symbols with which to illustrate the moral teachings of Freemasonry.

Freemasonry in England
All lodges in England are under the “United Grand Lodge of England” UGLE for short.
All lodges under the UGLE are issued with a warrant (This is proof that they follow the rules of UGLE) I can only visit lodges with this warrant, but lucky for me all Lodges in England are under the UGLE. And have this warrant.

Lodges outside of England
I can only visit lodges that are recognised by the UGLE, so I would have to check through my Lodge, a lot of Masonic groups in the USA are not under the UGLE so I could not visit them nor would I want to
The United Grand Lodge of England has 730 Lodges operating in a number of countries around the world.

Many of these Lodges are overseen by a District Grand Lodge, of which there are 32. Five groups of Lodges are too small to make up a District and are therefore overseen by a Grand Inspector. Twelve individual Lodges do not come under the jurisdiction of a District or Grand Inspector and are known as NUD Lodges.

Lodges in the USA:mad: :rolleyes:
A lot of Masonic groups in the USA are not under the UGLE so I could not visit them nor would I want to.
Freemasonry in the USA is a shambles and a lot of there Masonic groups are fake, they are made up, as anyone can say they are the head of an Masonic order.
You could start one “David’s Masonic Knights” but it would not be under the UGLE.

Overall the UGLE
Under the United Grand Lodge of England, there are 330,000 Freemasons, meeting in 8,644 lodges. There are separate Grand Lodges for Ireland (which covers north and south) and Scotland, with a combined membership of 150,000. Worldwide, there are probably 5 million members.

Are there 33 Degrees

The simple answer is no!:eek: :mad: :confused:
Freemasonry consists of the three 'Craft' degrees (Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft and Master Mason) completed by the Royal Arch degree (Chapter). There are many other Masonic degrees and Orders which are called 'additional' because they add to the basis of the Craft and Royal Arch. They are not basic to Freemasonry but add to it by further expounding and illustrating the principles stated in the Craft and Royal Arch. Some of these additional degrees are numerically superior to the third degree but this does not affect the fact that they are additional to and not in anyway superior to or higher than the Craft. The ranks that these additional degrees carry have no standing with the Craft or Royal Arch.

The 33 degree Scottish rite :rolleyes:
The local Scottish rite organization confers the 4th through 32nd degrees in degree-conferring meetings. The Scottish rite is sometimes called the "College of Freemasonry," because it uses extensive allegory and drama to emphasize the message of its degrees. The degree work may, but not necessarily, be completed at one time.
The Scottish Rite shares the belief of all Masonic organizations that there is no higher degree than that of Master Mason. The degrees are in addition to, and in no way "higher" than, those of Blue Lodge, or Craft Lodge, Masonry. Scottish Rite degrees simply amplify and elaborate on the lessons of the craft, providing further knowledge of Masonry, the building of the Temple, and ancient religions, with memorable lessons ranging from the days of chivalry to modern times.
The Scottish Rite in the name of a ritual, my lodge uses the ritual called “Commonsense”

The Knights Templar ;) :rolleyes:
The templar are real I know some and will be one in the future, they use my lodge.
To become a KT you must be a Master mason and have also the right to read Mark and Chapter degrees.
Then if you are lucky you will be asked to join…………..

Freemasonry and Religion
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It demands of its members a belief in a Supreme Being but provides no system of faith of its own.
Freemasonry is open to men of all religious faiths. The discussion of religion at its meetings is forbidden.

The Supreme Being
The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him) without the terms of the prayer causing dissention among them.

There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion he professes.

Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being, but He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. There is therefore no composite Masonic God.

Volume of the Sacred Law
The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.

The Obligation of Freemasonry
The Obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on or involve the Volume of the Sacred Law, or the book held sacred by those concerned. They are undertakings to help keep secret a Freemason's means of recognition, and to follow the principles of Freemasonry.

The physical penalties, which are purely symbolic, do not form part of an Obligation. The commitment to follow the principles of Freemasonry is, however, deep.

Freemasonry Compared with Religion
Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion.

a) it has no theological doctrine, and by forbidding religious discussion at its meetings will not allow a Masonic theological doctrine to develop.

b) It offers no sacraments.

c) It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition and not with salvation.

Freemasonry Supports Religion
Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering in religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and to place above all other duties his duty to God, by whatever name He is known. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.

Freemasonry is thus a supporter of religion.

Freemasonry: Your Questions Answered

Q Why are you a secret society?
A We are not, but lodge meetings, like those of many other groups, are private and open only to members. The rules and aims of Freemasonry are available to the public. Meeting places are known and in many areas are used by the local community for activities other than Freemasonry. Members are encouraged to speak openly about Freemasonry.

Q What are the secrets of Freemasonry?
A The secrets in Freemasonry are the traditional modes of recognition which are not used indiscriminately, but solely as a test of membership, e.g. when visiting a Lodge where you are not known.

Q What happens at a lodge meeting?
A The meeting is in two parts. As in any association there is a certain amount of administrative procedure - minutes of last meeting, proposing and balloting for new members, discussing and voting on financial matters, election of officers, news and correspondence. Then there are the ceremonies for admitting new Masons and the annual installation of the Master and appointment of officers. The three ceremonies for admitting a new Mason are in two parts - a slight dramatic instruction in the principles and lessons taught in the Craft followed by a lecture in which the candidate's various duties are spelled out.

Q Why do Freemasons take oaths?
A New members make solemn promises concerning their conduct in Lodge and in society. Each member also promises to keep confidential the traditional methods of proving that he is a Freemason which he would use when visiting a lodge where he is not known. Freemasons do not swear allegiances to each other or to Freemasonry. Freemasons promise to support others in times of need, but only if that support does not conflict with their duties to God, the law, their family or with their responsibilities as a Citizen.

Q Why do your 'obligations' contain hideous penalties?
A They no longer do. When Masonic ritual was developing in the late 1600s and 1700s it was quite common for legal and civil oaths to include physical penalties and Freemasonry simply followed the practice of the times. In Freemasonry, however, the physical penalties were always symbolic and were never carried out. After long discussion, they were removed from the promises in 1986.

Heeeeeyyyy, Maybe you can help me out! I'm looking for a good reference pic of Jabulon. I know, I know, it's not your god, whatever, don't care. I just need it for reference for some art. I'd much appreciate it if you could. The representation I'm looking for is the three headed crab (I believe) with the Kings head, Cat head, and Spiderhead. You would be doing me a big favor if you could scrounge that up for me post haste.

Thanks man, I was starting to think I'd never find a reference pic.

Peace,
3'LL

[3ill]

Nevermind, man, I found it. It's actually a three headed spider; a cat, a king, a frog. I'm sure you would have 'not known what I was talking about anyway."


He's gonna make such a great villain. I mean that's like perfect.

:D

Peace,
3'LL

[3ill]

Mods, I would like to know how a guy can come onto this forum, declare himself a mason troll who has been sent here to put us off the truth... then post a poorly photoshopped picture of Icke as a mason...

And still be here???

What's going on mods?.. and who are those folks who are sending this guy all those lovely Pm's... what's that all about? Best not to feed the troll in my view...

Come on mods... you've got all the evidence you need... He needs banning, he probably doesn't even want to be here anyway.. remember, he's under orders... you'd be doing the poor guy (and us) a favour...

It's the only humane thing to do to end this freak circus...

Awwwwww..... I didn't get a PM. :(

Why ban him? If he is what he is, then observe the beast. What orders are you under, friend? I'm all for reference material.

[masonic3]

Awwwwww..... I didn't get a PM. :(

Why ban him? If he is what he is, then observe the beast. What orders are you under, friend? I'm all for reference material.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3430

[mynameis]

Masonry was wiped out virtually over all of Europe during the 100 years war, the Age of Imperialism, and both World Wars, thus wiping out good Masonic Orders is exactly why these wars began in the first place. During the 400 year period the takeover of the Masonic orders by rich aristocrats began in Europe, while others fled from nobility. The period begins with the 1500s are ends around 1959, the next phase of attack is depopulation and a constant concerted all out attack on governments and country's sovereignty around the world.

I forgot to add the Revolutions and Napoleonic Wars. Just how man real Freemasons died in those bloodlettings?

[edelweiss pirate]

I believe the Templars laid the foundations for modern masonry, with their death worship and psychological games learned from the assassins in order to induce absolute schizoid obedience, I hardly think 'good' comes into it...

They believe the ends justifies the means.... whatever the cost... conscience and goodness isn't part of world economic control...