Mitt Romney

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Meet Mitt Romney. He's running for the US Presidency.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/romney.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/bush-romney-inside.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/mitt_romney_torch.jpg

He's Mormon.

"Mormonism and Freemasonry are so intimately interwoven and interrelated that the two can never be dissociated."
http://www.freemason.org/cfo/may_june_2001/mormon.htm

He was born on the 3/3/1947
1+9+4+7 = 21
2+1 = 3

3-3-3

He also has 3 siblings.

He served in France as a missionary for 30 months (3+0 = 3)

Essentially giving him the power of the sacred number "3", three times over. (They like to double or triple up on the numbers to intensify their power, like 9/11, flight 11, flight 77, London bombing on 7/7 and so on). Read on...

" Three (3) is the first sacred number, the first perfect number (Westcott, p. 41). Three represents the Pagan Trinity." (Westcott, p. 37). It is represented geo-metrically in the triangle, and spiritually as the Third Eye Of Hinduism. Occultists will multiply and add three to other sacred numbers to create new numbers. However, they also group threes in two's and threes, because they believe in the principle of "intensification", i.e., that greater power is achieved when a sacred number is grouped. In the case of three, greater intensification is achieved when it is shown as 33, or 333. 333 + 333 equals 666. Occultists have used 333 as the hidden symbol by which they present the more offensive number 666. When the details of an event are so arranged as to contain certain sacred occult numbers or numeric combinations, this is literally an occult signature on the event. Mathematically, 666 can be created when three pairs of threes are added. Thus, (3+3) + (3+3) + (3+3) = 666. Now, eliminate the parentheses and the plus sign, and you have 33 space, 33 space, 33, representing the number 666."
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/occultist_worship_numbers.htm

Mitt Romney is the former CEO of Bain & Co., that has 33 offices in 21 countries (2+1 = 3). This number 3 is recurring with this guy, right?

Bain & Company's logo:

http://www.bain.com/bainweb/images/header_mark.gif

On January 3rd, 2007 (what is it with this guy and 3's?), Romney filed to form a presidential exploratory committee.

On February 13th, 2007 (13 is another sacred number), Romney formally announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination for president in 2008.

On March 3, 2007 (3/3) Mitt Romney won the (CPAC) Conservative Political Action Conference Straw Poll. He received 21 (2+1 = 3)% of the vote. He supports sentencing under the three strikes law.

Had enough yet?


:cool:

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Oh, found another one! His first date with Ann (his wife) was on March 21st 1965.

3/21/1965
3
2+1 = 3
1+9+6+5 = 21
2+1 = 3

3/3/3

Then they got married exactly one year later on March 21st 1969
Again with the 3/3

[pollock]

As I said in the other thread, this guy gives me major creeps!

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Totally!

[thoth]

Meet Mitt Romney. He's running for the US Presidency.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/romney.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/bush-romney-inside.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/mitt_romney_torch.jpg

He's Mormon.

"Mormonism and Freemasonry are so intimately interwoven and interrelated that the two can never be dissociated."
http://www.freemason.org/cfo/may_june_2001/mormon.htm

He was born on the 3/3/1947
1+9+4+7 = 21
2+1 = 3

3-3-3

He also has 3 siblings.

He served in France as a missionary for 30 months (3+0 = 3)

Essentially giving him the power of the sacred number "3", three times over. (They like to double or triple up on the numbers to intensify their power, like 9/11, flight 11, flight 77, London bombing on 7/7 and so on). Read on...

" Three (3) is the first sacred number, the first perfect number (Westcott, p. 41). Three represents the Pagan Trinity." (Westcott, p. 37). It is represented geo-metrically in the triangle, and spiritually as the Third Eye Of Hinduism. Occultists will multiply and add three to other sacred numbers to create new numbers. However, they also group threes in two's and threes, because they believe in the principle of "intensification", i.e., that greater power is achieved when a sacred number is grouped. In the case of three, greater intensification is achieved when it is shown as 33, or 333. 333 + 333 equals 666. Occultists have used 333 as the hidden symbol by which they present the more offensive number 666. When the details of an event are so arranged as to contain certain sacred occult numbers or numeric combinations, this is literally an occult signature on the event. Mathematically, 666 can be created when three pairs of threes are added. Thus, (3+3) + (3+3) + (3+3) = 666. Now, eliminate the parentheses and the plus sign, and you have 33 space, 33 space, 33, representing the number 666."
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/occultist_worship_numbers.htm

Mitt Romney is the former CEO of Bain & Co., that has 33 offices in 21 countries (2+1 = 3). This number 3 is recurring with this guy, right?

Bain & Company's logo:

http://www.bain.com/bainweb/images/header_mark.gif

On January 3rd, 2007 (what is it with this guy and 3's?), Romney filed to form a presidential exploratory committee.

On February 13th, 2007 (13 is another sacred number), Romney formally announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination for president in 2008.

On March 3, 2007 (3/3) Mitt Romney won the (CPAC) Conservative Political Action Conference Straw Poll. He received 21 (2+1 = 3)% of the vote. He supports sentencing under the three strikes law.

Had enough yet?


:cool:


Looks kind of reptilian in the first pic. Where is he from?

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I think he currently resides in Massachusetts but was born in Detroit Michigan.

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Some Mormon info from a different thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19823&postcount=5)

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Poll: ROMNEY EMERGES AS NEW HAMPSHIRE FRONT-RUNNER.

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In early April, there were two front-runners in the New Hampshire Republican primary: Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani were tied for first place.

Now, after last week's CNN-WMUR-New Hampshire Union Leader debate in Manchester, New Hampshire, things have changed. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has picked up support, from 17 percent in April to 28 percent now. He's the new front-runner, by a narrow margin, while Giuliani and John McCain both lost support.


Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/12/schneider.nh.gop/index.html)









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Mitt Romney Surges

The former governor of Massachusetts is now consistently running first in most polls of two key early nomination races, Iowa and New Hamsphire - states where the voters are paying closest attention. Romney, the top Republican fundraiser in the first quarter of 2007, is generally expected to match or exceed that total ($20.6 million) in the second quarter and maintain his status as No. 1 in GOP presidential finances.

Source (http://www.charlotteconservative.com/index.php/2007/06/mitt-romney-surges/)


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CHICAGO - Republican president candidate Mitt Romney, who denied every pardon or commutation during his term as Massachusetts governor, said Thursday a pardon for former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby deserves a close examination.

Source (http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2007/06/15/ap/politics/d8potlp80.txt)













[Showing his willingness to play the loomie game]

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Romney: Increase the size of military

DUBUQUE, Iowa (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Saturday that if he’s elected, he wants “to carry the big stick” by increasing the size of the nation’s military.

The former Massachusetts governor said his plans include boosting the size of the military by at least 100,000 troops and increasing the military budget.

Romney recalled the words of President Theodore Roosevelt, who said the United States should “Speak softly and carry a big stick,” in its foreign relations.

Source (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/16/romney-increase-the-size-of-military/)




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[anoninnyc]

mitt romney is suing bill keller, of www.liveprayer.com because he said that a vote for romney is a vote for satan, now i am not a born again christian like bill keller but i actually agree with him on this one.

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mitt romney is suing bill keller, of www.liveprayer.com because he said that a vote for romney is a vote for satan, now i am not a born again christian like bill keller but i actually agree with him on this one.

The first Mormon families (The Smiths) were Freemasons. This is a clue!


Romney wins Iowa straw poll

AMES, Iowa (CNN) -- Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney won the Iowa Republican straw poll Saturday, giving his campaign a boost six months before the state holds its first-in-the-nation caucuses.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/11/iowa.straw.poll/index.html)

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"Freedom requires religion..." - Mitt Romney [A complete contradiction in terms]


President needs prayers of people of all faiths

(CNN) -- White House hopeful Mitt Romney on Thursday articulated his position on the role of religion in America, but avoided details about his personal faith.

Romney, who hopes to become the first Mormon president, said "religious tolerance would be a shallow principle, indeed, if it were reserved only for faiths with which we agree."

"There are some who would have a presidential candidate describe and explain his church's distinctive doctrines. To do so would enable the very religious test the founders prohibited in the Constitution," the former Massachusetts governor said.

"No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. For if he becomes president he will need the prayers of the people of all faiths."

CNN contributor Bill Bennett said he wasn't sure Romney addressed the concerns voters might have with Mormonism, but, he added, "I don't think he had to."

MORE (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/06/romney.speech/index.html)

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Looks kind of reptilian in the first pic. Where is he from?

canadianvandal posted this a while back.
http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=ZhfaNFXUzEY&eurl=http%3A//www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D115359%26highlight%3Dmitt%2Br omney%2Breptilian&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/ZhfaNFXUzEY/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLSQj7-TgH-rjP6NUnvy62q&rel=1&border=0

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Except from Tales From The Time Loop (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3/affiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=288_0_1_8) by David Icke


Church of Latter Day Reptiles
A regular source of information about Reptilian activities and rituals are those who have been involved in 'religious' organizations, not least the Jehovah's witnesses and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints (LDS), better known as the Mormons. Both were formed by members of the Merovingian bloodline like Mormons, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and Charles Taze Russell of the Watchtower Society. These 'Churches' have been controlled ever since by the Merovingian Reptilian shape-shifters. A lady called Diana Huston told me of her experiences with the Jehovah's Witness mind-control sect, officially titled the watchtower Bible and Tract Society. She joined them in 1969 because, after going through the Vietnam War with her husband, was attracted by the message of paradise on Earth. She was OK for a few years, but then they became more demanding and controlling. In 1987 she said that subliminal drawings began to appear in the artwork of their books and magazines depicting bizarre faces and trance messages. Some of these are detailed in the Symbolism Archives on my website (www.davidicke.com (http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/)). At a small convention in September 1988, she spoke privately to one of the governing body 'elect'. At that time she thought they were the 'good guys'. The man was about five-foot-ten with dark hair and was powerfully built. She said that she looked into his eyes and was startled and terrified to see a thin membrane drop over his human eyes. She didn't know if the membrane came from the bottom of his eyelid or the top. "I'd never heard of lizard beings, but I remember thinking how much his eyes looked like those of a lizard", she recalled. The membrane dropped over his eyes when he looked at her and he seemed to recognize her, although at the time she couldn't imagine why. The sense of terrible danger that she felt, and the need to get away from him, was overwhelming. She went on:

"Eventually I came to understand that the leaders are not fully human, but are the offspring of something alien to this Earth. They are too cunning, lethal, and intelligent to have originated from here, and there has to be an over-race of beings guiding them from some dimension. They are here for one reason only. They look at humans as a source of enslavement for their enjoyment to torment and abuse, to misuse power and to cruelly punish and kill."

As she researched the religion's documents and books, she said she began to uncover a trail of arms and drug-running (which the Illuminati globally controls), and "plots to destroy the world and take it for their own". Diane took her "mountains" of evidence to the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and met with them. They said that she was either a genius or totally insane. She said she learned that the Watchtower Society had hidden rooms under the streets of Brooklyn, New York, where they have their headquarters over the now abandoned old Brooklyn subway. There they practice Satanic ritual, including the sacrifice of human infants, she said, and here they also keep women who are used as "breeders" for babies to be sacrificed. This happens all over the world because the babies are never officially registered and therefore never reported missing. To the system, they have never existed. The main Illuminati bloodlines also conceive children in the rituals. Diane wrote that this Watchtower Satanic operation is totally self-sufficient and even uses blood in the ink of the magazines. She said that she and a friend tried to warn people through the media with no success (I am surprised!) and her friend had a nervous breakdown from which she has never fully recovered.

One of many accounts to come from former members of the Mormon "Church" was sent by a woman - I will call her "Jane" - who claims she suffered in a Mormon mind-control project from the time she was a young child. Cathy O'Brien says that the Mormon Church and especially the operation at Salt Lake City is a major mind-control center and I am producing a video called Satanism and the Mormon Church with a former Mormon mind-slave, Sharon Jacobs, who has talked to me at length about the rituals and Reptilian shape-shifters within the Mormon hierarchy. The overwhelming majority of Mormons have no idea what their organization is really about. Former military sources claim that the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, which is covered in Illuminati symbols like the all-seeing eye, stands over a large underground Reptilian "hive" that can be accessed from the temple. "Jane" said she saw her babies sacrificed in Mormon rituals and that is a common theme of such accounts. Sharon Jacobs tells a similar story. In her pursuit of the truth, Jane spoke with another victim of ritual abuse by the Mormon and Roman Catholic Church. This other lady told her that the Mormon "Prophet" (the official head of the Church) had taken her baby from her at a ritual and eaten it. Two other women raised as Catholics told her that they had seen the abusers shape-shift into Reptilians and eat a human sacrifice. Jane said that Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons, was from "the occult bloodlines" (very true) and the whole official story was a lie. "The leaders are mostly reptilian", she said. "One witness says that only one of the twelve [Mormon] apostles did not shape-shift at the ritual". She goes on:

"I was so mad to find out that the alien abuse was connected to the ritual abuse in the church when I had believed the church was true. [Now I know that] ... our families are from occult bloodlines of England and Europe. This has gone on for hundreds and thousands of years."

Sharon Jacobs has confirmed all of this and more and she names in the video the major Mormon leaders involved. She tells of horrific sex and blood rituals under the Salt Lake Temple in which goats and babies are sacrificed and aborted fetuses eaten by the participants. Stewart Swerdlow says that one reason sex is so important in the rituals is that human semen is considered the most potent booster of mammalian genetics to hold Reptilian form. This often involves eating the genitals of the sacrificial victim. For certain, Satanic ritual goes on within the Mormon Church and, in fact, the number of accounts has forced even the Mormon hierarchy to admit it happens. What they deny, of course, is the scale on which it happens and that it goes right to the top. Indeed, it is orchestrated from there. There are a number of websites exposing this, including a site set up by former Mormons, one of whom is the same bloodline as the Mormon hero Brigham Young. The Mormon Church is such a blatant Illuminati front. Orrin Hatch, the senator for Utah, has appeared a number of times in my books for his statements supporting the Illuminati line. He is the man attacking Internet freedom and pressing for technology that would destroy computers when people download copyrighted material. This is not the real reason, obviously. The idea eventually is to destroy the computers of those challenging the Illuminati agenda. Ironically, Hatch also claims to be an advocate of child protection. Well, if he's really serious he should start with the Mormon Church. Do you think he will? Nor me.


LDS Temple - Salt Lake City, Utah

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The walls of the Salt Lake Temple are nine feet thick at the base and six feet thick at the top.

SOURCE (http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/saltlake/)


:eek:

[sensimillia]

wasn´t he also invited to this years bilderberg meeting? and you know what usually happens after that...

[tinmenace]

wasn´t he also invited to this years bilderberg meeting? and you know what usually happens after that...

Hmm, I didn't know that...I think there was a list somewhere here on the forum of the attendees. I'll see if I can find it.

Do you have a reference link?

[sensimillia]

no, sorry tin. i think i read that on this forum somewhere. let me dig for a while...;)

[sensimillia]

my mistake it seems, can´t find any source on this...

[sensimillia]

he´s linked to the CFR, but then again, who isn´t..;)

[tinmenace]

Temple info continued...


From http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/saltlake/

Exterior Finish: Quartz monzonite (similar to granite) quarried from Little Cottonwood Canyon 20 miles southeast of Salt Lake City.
Temple Design: Six-spire design suggestive of Gothic and other classical styles but unique, distinctive, and symbolic.

Groundbreaking: 14 February 1853 by Brigham Young (a FREEMASON - Source (http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous2.htm#Y))
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/Brigham_Young.gif (http://www.wisegorilla.com/images/LDS/LDS.html)http://www.globalfailure.com/images/Brigham_Young2.gif (http://www.zianet.com/collier/tpby.htm)

Dedication: 6–24 April 1893 by Wilford Woodruff
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Source of Photos LDSces.org (http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/pres-sm/pres-ch-04-06.htm)


Temple Symbolism

Rich symbolism adorns the exterior of the Salt Lake Temple, depicting mankind's journey from mortality into the eternal realms. Perhaps Elder J. Golden Kimball expressed it best when he stated: "When I think about that building, every stone in it is a sermon to me." Following is a summary of some of the major symbolism of the Salt Lake Temple:

Angel Moroni. The angel Moroni depicts both a messenger of the restoration of the gospel and a herald of the Second Coming: "for the Son of Man shall come, and he shall send his angels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the remainder of his elect from the four winds" (JS-M 1:37).

Towers. The three towers on the east side represent the First Presidency of the Church and the Melchizedek Priesthood [The Book of Mormon of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints describes the work of Melchizedek in Salem in Alma 13:17-18. According to Alma, Melchizedek was King over the wicked people of Salem, but because of his righteousness, his people repented of their wickedness and became a peaceful city. - SOURCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchizedek#Latter-day_Saint_Beliefs_Concerning_Melchizedek)]; the twelve pinnacles rising from the towers represent the Twelve Apostles. The three towers on the west side represent the Presiding Bishopric and the Aaronic Priesthood; the twelve pinnacles rising from the towers represent the High Council.

Battlements. The castle-like battlements that surround the temple symbolize a separation from the world as well as a protection of the holy ordinances practiced within its walls.

Earthstones. The earthstones, located at the base of each buttress, represent the earth—the "footstool of God." Although the earth is currently a telestial kingdom, it will transition to a terrestrial kingdom at the coming of the Millennium; and at the end of one thousand years, it is destined to become a celestial kingdom.

Moonstones. Located directly above the earthstones, the moon is depicted in its various phases around the temple. The changing moon can represent the stages of human progression from birth to resurrection or represent the patron's journey from darkness to light.

Sunstones. Located directly about the moonstones, the sunstones depict the sun—a symbol of the glory of the celestial kingdom.

Cloudstones. High above the sunstones on the east center tower are two clouds with descending rays of light (originally planned to be one white and one black with descending trumpets.) The parallel of this symbolism is found in the Old Testament. Once temples were dedicated in ancient Israel, they were filled with the "cloud of the Lord." At Mount Sinai, the children of Israel saw this cloud as both dark and bright accompanied by the blasting of a trumpet.

Starstones. Six-pointed stars represent the actual stars in the heaven. Upside-down five-pointed stars represent morning stars, compared to the "sons of God" in the scriptures. The large upright five-pointed stars may represent the governing power of the priesthood while the small upright five-pointed stars may represent the saving power of the priesthood for those who attach themselves to it.

Big Dipper. High on the west center tower is a depiction of the Big Dipper, a constellation used by travelers for thousands of years to find the North Star. It is an appropriate symbol for the temple where patrons come to get their bearings on the journey home.

Handclasp. Each of the center towers features a pair of clasped right hands identified as the "right hands of fellowship" cited in Galatians 2:9. In Jeremiah 31:32, the Lord uses the handclasp to denote covenant making—an act at the very heart of temple worship.
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/handshake.jpg

All-Seeing Eye. Located atop each of the center towers of the temple is the all-seeing eye of God, which represents God's ability to see all thingshttp://www.globalfailure.com/images/allseeingeyelds.jpg.

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Beehive House

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/beehivehouse.jpg


The Beehive House was built in 1854 and served as home to Brigham Young when he was President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and governor of the Utah Territory.

A beehive, which is a symbol of industry, sits atop this charming home and reflects Brigham Young's belief in a strong work ethic. :rolleyes:

SOURCE (http://www.lds.org/placestovisit/location/0,10634,1863-1-1-1,00.html)


Freemasonry meaning of the Beehive:

The Beehive Symbolizes unity of purpose, with just one leader, for life and just one goal, the betterment of the hive. Each Grand Lodge should be as the Beehive, with a unity of purpose, with just one Leader, and just one goal, the betterment of the order. The fact is in most Grand Lodges, the only similarity to the Beehive is that they have only one Leader.

SOURCE (http://www.hariam.org/CASTLE/mmd.htm)



One leader (and that means that you are not a sovereign being, and if you happen to be a woman you're totally fucked!), one goal - the betterment of the ORDER (the New World Order).

Hmm!

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http://www.globalfailure.com/images/masonictemples/freemasonchipprogram.jpg

Read More HERE (http://spiritual-nature.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=40&topic=341.0)

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Mormon Underwear [I kid you not]

Known to some is the fact that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or Mormon Church) wear a special kind of underwear in connection with their religion. This is true of most faithful adult members of the Church. (Mormon children are generally dressed the same as any other children.) The special underwear is called a "garment" by Mormons, and it is directly related to Mormon temples.

Garments are a symbolic gesture of the promises that Mormons have made to God. The garment is always worn under other clothing, next to the skin. In fact, for most people who wear it, the garment takes the place of regular underwear. Mormons begin wearing it during their first visit to the temple, wherein they receive individual instruction on how the garment should be worn and cared for, and furthermore, they undergo a sacred ceremony called the temple endowment. Solely during this ritual, additional special clothing is put on; by contrast, the garment or special underwear is worn at all times, both day and night, from then on. It serves as a constant reminder of the covenants made during the temple endowment.

Mormons believe in being "in the world, but not of it," and the garment helps in privately yet consistently setting temple-going Mormons apart from the world. A particularly sharp contrast is felt in today's society, where morals and modesty have deteriorated to a most horrific degree. Many moviemakers and clothing manufacturers, for example, design their respective products to reveal so much of the human body that virtually nothing is left to the imagination. Mormons, on the other hand, are encouraged through the modest length and cut of their temple-got garments to always dress appropriately. Devout Mormons further understand that in only a very few instances might the garment be removed, such as for swimming, using the bathroom, or being intimate in marriage. The reasons for keeping the garment on far outweigh the reasons for taking it off.

The special Mormon underwear consists of a top and bottom piece, and it is made from a variety of lightweight fabrics. There are some special colored temple garments that can be worn by members of the armed services, but for the vast majority of Mormons, garments are always white. This symbolizes physical and spiritual purity. It fosters a mindset of continual obedience to the Lord, which is crucial in keeping the covenants entered into in the temple. Through such obedience, a person can find physical and spiritual protection. The Lord God is enabled to grant promised blessings, fulfilling His side of the temple covenants. Thus, the garment is sacred to the wearer not for what it is, but for what it represents. The garment helps the wearer to focus his or her life on Jesus Christ and to thereby lay claim to the blessings promised to those who do so.

Mormons are not unique in the wearing of special clothing for religious purposes. Perhaps the most well-known example is the yarmulke, which is worn at special times by many Jewish men or at all times by devout orthodox Jews. Similarly, in some religions a minister or priest might wear a special collar that has religious significance, or nuns may wear special clothing that signifies the religious order to which they belong. In all cases the special clothing reflects the religious conviction of the wearer.

There is a historical precedent for wearing religious clothing. Mormons emphasize the fact that Adam and Eve wore clothing that was made for them by God before they left the Garden of Eden. Genesis 3:21 states that "unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them." Mormons believe that such clothing was provided as part of the religious instruction given to Adam and Eve by God. This is the same context in which Mormons receive the garment: as part of the religious instruction contained within the temple endowment.

Other religious figures throughout history have also worn special clothing as they performed their religious duties. For instance, Moses was commanded by the Lord (as recorded in Exodus 28:1-3) to place holy garments and priestly vestments upon Aaron and others in preparation for officiating in the tabernacle.

There is no professional clergy in the Mormon Church, so in some ways the garment serves as a symbol of the lay clergy, where both men and women share in the responsibilities and blessings of the priesthood, particularly in the temple.

For more information visit Mormon Underwear. (http://www.mormon-underwear.com/)

SOURCE (http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/mormon/underwear/)


Oh-Kaaay! :eek:

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Where do mormon garments come from?

Submitted by: Karen, Boston, MA

Garments are made at LDS church clothing centers. They are then made available to members of the mormon church through distribution centers. Church distribution centers sell scriptures, pictures of Jesus Christ, videos about the gospel, hymn books, and many other church supplies, as well as garments. Some websites claim to sell garments as well, but unless they are official church sites, it's usually a hoax.

LINK (http://www.mormon-underwear.com/underwear_faq.html#secret)



The whole fucking thing is a HOAX !!

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_40.gif

Not only are you paying a tithing, you're buying underwear from them and if you're not buying it from them, it's a hoax! OMG, hilarious!

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This is the LDS temple in Oakland Ca.

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/oakland/gallery/images/oakland_lds_mormon_temple4.jpg

No windows. :confused:

[steevo]

The whole fucking thing is a HOAX !!

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_40.gif

Not only are you paying a tithing, you're buying underwear from them and if you're not buying it from them, it's a hoax! OMG, hilarious!

Hee hee :D
A good thread this one Tin :) Thanks!

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Hee hee :D
A good thread this one Tin :) Thanks!

You're welcome! It's trippy, right?

[steevo]

You're welcome! It's trippy, right?

Trippy ? What, as in TRIPS ? I have no idea. :confused:

[tinmenace]

Trippy ? What, as in TRIPS ? I have no idea. :confused:

Heheh! Reading this crap is like watching Freddie Got Fingered while on acid. See? That would be trippy!

[steevo]

Heheh! Reading this crap is like watching Freddie Got Fingered while on acid. See? That would be trippy!

lol yeah I get it now :D
I know a number of mormons so I like this thread. They are proper brainwashed are mormons (generally speaking of course).

I spoke to a mormon the other day and asked her why it is ok to go to war just because Gordon B Hinckley (Mormon President and Prophet) says so. She said it's the word of god because he is a prophet. So I asked her if she would jump off a cliff if Gordon B Hinckley instructed her to and she said "Yes" :eek: "because it would be the word of god". Now that is really fucked up. I dont know whether to laugh of cry lol

[tinmenace]

lol yeah I get it now :D
I know a number of mormons so I like this thread. They are proper brainwashed are mormons (generally speaking of course).

I spoke to a mormon the other day and asked her why it is ok to go to war just because Gordon B Hinckley (Mormon President and Prophet) says so. She said it's the word of god because he is a prophet. So I asked her if she would jump off a cliff if Gordon B Hinckley instructed her to and she said "Yes" :eek: "because it would be the word of god". Now that is really fucked up. I dont know whether to laugh of cry lol

Wow! That is mind-control for ya! :eek:

My family on my Dad's side are all Mormon. I love my cousins and my aunt and them just fine. Great people, but their religion is pretty fucked up and it's never a topic of discussion when I visit with them. Trust me, I've had some nasty experiences with Mormons, when I was a little girl. They (grown men - strangers to me, but members of the church) always were trying to grope me and stick their tongues in my mouth. Yeah, child abuse at Mormon temples? I don't have any doubt in my mind about it. Had it not been for my overly protective father, I think I might have ended up a victim of theirs too.

[steevo]

Wow! That is mind-control for ya! :eek:

My family on my Dad's side are all Mormon. I love my cousins and my aunt and them just fine. Great people, but their religion is pretty fucked up and it's never a topic of discussion when I visit with them. Trust me, I've had some nasty experiences with Mormons, when I was a little girl. They (grown men - strangers to me, but members of the church) always were trying to grope me and stick their tongues in my mouth. Yeah, child abuse at Mormon temples? I don't have any doubt in my mind about it. Had it not been for my overly protective father, I think I might have ended up a victim of theirs too.

Yes I can see how that could happen in an enviroment of that type :cool:
I know nice mormons too and I believe they mean well but they are usually brainwashed in believing in the mormon scam.

[tinmenace]

Yes I can see how that could happen in an enviroment of that type :cool:
I know nice mormons too and I believe they mean well but they are usually brainwashed in believing in the mormon scam.

Absolutely. Much like the lower ranking Freemasons. They have NO idea of the sorcery being performed with their hijacked energies.

[steevo]

Absolutely. Much like the lower ranking Freemasons. They have NO idea of the sorcery being performed with their hijacked energies.

Yeah sort of but I believe that even freemasons in the lowest part of the pyramid ARE all aware that they are involved in corruption. Yeah they may be nice people to talk to sometimes and maybe have great talents sometimes but hey...:cool:

But yeah I agree most freemasons probably dont know what is really going on with their "hijacked energies".

[kasalt]

I didn't know you were raised Mormon Tinmenace. With Mitt Romney running for president, Mormonism is now in the spotlight. Do you think these quotes from the Book of Mormon might become an issue in his campaign?

2 Nephi 5: 21
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
24 And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.
25 And the Lord God said unto me: They shall be a scourge unto thy seed, to stir them up in remembrance of me; and inasmuch as they will not remember me, and hearken unto my words, they shall scourge them even unto destruction.

Moses 7: 8, 22
8 For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people.
22 And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them.

[tinmenace]

I didn't know you were raised Mormon Tinmenace.

I'll come back to answer your other question, but I just wanted to jump in and say that I wasn't raised Mormon. Just my family on my Dad's side are Mormon. My father converted to Judaism when I was little, and my Mom is your typical mind-controlled dogma ridden Christian. I was exposed to it all, but religion was never forced on us. In fact my Dad insisted that it wouldn't be.

[lizzy]

Just was a point of interest , In the book , Transformation of America, written by a deprogrammed mind controlled sex slave , she names Romney the Father and the son , Mitt as participates in her past ordeal.

[tinmenace]

Just was a point of interest , In the book , Transformation of America, written by a deprogrammed mind controlled sex slave , she names Romney the Father and the son , Mitt as participates in her past ordeal.

I don't recall that. Did she mention them by name? Do you recall which chapter?

[kasalt]

I don't recall that. Did she mention them by name? Do you recall which chapter?

Found this by Cathy O'Brien:

"Looking at today’s candidates, I continue to recognize many of the same old names and faces in addition to Hillary’s. Mitt Romney, son of former Michigan Governor George Romney, was a bit older than I when I was exposed to the abuse of political power as a young child in MK Ultra. His father’s plan for combining Catholic mind control techniques with advancing technologies as a powerful form of mind control in the LDS Mormon Church are documented in both TRANCE and ACCESS DENIED. Subsequently, Mitt Romney’s historic influence in Utah and the Mormon Church prepared him for his key position as Governor of Massachusetts at the height of the Catholic child abuse scandal emanating from Boston. Having blown the whistle since 1989 on Boston’s connection in MK Ultra due to the profound impact it had on my childhood, I was astounded along with much of the world’s populace to see Cardinal Law promoted after being found guilty of conspiracy to cover-up. Do we really want to hear Mitt Romney’s justifications and manipulations as he fulfills the illusion that we have a “choice” for President?"

http://www.trance-formation.com/elections.htm

[lizzy]

I don't recall that. Did she mention them by name? Do you recall which chapter?

Now this is the truth........I do not have her book. I heard her talk at the same convention Icke was at this summer in Mt. Shasta, CA., apparently they know eachother well.
She said on stage by NAME that both the Father and the Son (now running) both had taken part an occassion with her when she was under mind control as a sex slave. When I am going to say at least over 15 or so years ago, so in effect both Romneys are doing the elites' bidding.
Is'nt that how they prove their alliegence and 'have a good time"?

[lizzy]

Found this by Cathy O'Brien:

"Looking at today’s candidates, I continue to recognize many of the same old names and faces in addition to Hillary’s. Mitt Romney, son of former Michigan Governor George Romney, was a bit older than I when I was exposed to the abuse of political power as a young child in MK Ultra. His father’s plan for combining Catholic mind control techniques with advancing technologies as a powerful form of mind control in the LDS Mormon Church are documented in both TRANCE and ACCESS DENIED. Subsequently, Mitt Romney’s historic influence in Utah and the Mormon Church prepared him for his key position as Governor of Massachusetts at the height of the Catholic child abuse scandal emanating from Boston. Having blown the whistle since 1989 on Boston’s connection in MK Ultra due to the profound impact it had on my childhood, I was astounded along with much of the world’s populace to see Cardinal Law promoted after being found guilty of conspiracy to cover-up. Do we really want to hear Mitt Romney’s justifications and manipulations as he fulfills the illusion that we have a “choice” for President?"

http://www.trance-formation.com/elections.htm
thanks kasalt for finding that.

[tinmenace]

Found this by Cathy O'Brien:

"Looking at today’s candidates, I continue to recognize many of the same old names and faces in addition to Hillary’s. Mitt Romney, son of former Michigan Governor George Romney, was a bit older than I when I was exposed to the abuse of political power as a young child in MK Ultra. His father’s plan for combining Catholic mind control techniques with advancing technologies as a powerful form of mind control in the LDS Mormon Church are documented in both TRANCE and ACCESS DENIED. Subsequently, Mitt Romney’s historic influence in Utah and the Mormon Church prepared him for his key position as Governor of Massachusetts at the height of the Catholic child abuse scandal emanating from Boston. Having blown the whistle since 1989 on Boston’s connection in MK Ultra due to the profound impact it had on my childhood, I was astounded along with much of the world’s populace to see Cardinal Law promoted after being found guilty of conspiracy to cover-up. Do we really want to hear Mitt Romney’s justifications and manipulations as he fulfills the illusion that we have a “choice” for President?"

http://www.trance-formation.com/elections.htm

Thank you very much for posting this! It's so important!

Thank you Lizzy for your input, I'll see if I can find a YouTube.

[kasalt]

This is linked on the Latest Headlines page. This cartoon illustrates many beliefs of Mormons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duJJzWxbwxE

Good to know about, with a Mormon running for president.

[tinmenace]

Right! They become most uncomfortable when you ask them if it's true that Jesus and Satan were brothers.

[kasalt]

And check out the part about blacks being cursed...that's gotta come up in the campaign sometime along...

[tinmenace]

And check out the part about blacks being cursed...that's gotta come up in the campaign sometime along...

Yeah, see this is the problem...they evolve with the times to suite the current political situation, so that they can keep their religion alive, and keep their sheep paying the tithing and of course enjoy a tax exempt status....

They stopped practicing polygamy when it became a political issue, even though their original doctrine specifically states that the way into heaven is through plural marriage. The FLDS still practice it today, and have bred child-molesting monsters like their recently convicted "prophet", Warren Jeffs. They also accept people other than whites now, because it's politically incorrect not to.

It's all bullshit.

[aizzy]

[QUOTE=tinmenace;20006]Meet Mitt Romney. He's running for the US Presidency.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/romney.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/bush-romney-inside.jpg

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/mitt_romney_torch.jpg

He's Mormon.

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Nice! So what Vortex did Mitt Romney walk out of then? :eek:

[kasalt]

The first Mormon families (The Smiths) were Freemasons. This is a clue!

Mitt Romney's great-great-grandfather, Parley P. Pratt, was among the first leaders of the Mormon religion in the early 19th century. Pratt was an original member of Quorum of the Twelve Apostles--one of the governing bodies of the church hierarchy organized by the movement's founder Joseph Smith, Jr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney

[aizzy]

Quorum of the Twelve Apostles--one of the governing bodies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney

http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/toys/mormon/index.php

[tinmenace]

http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/toys/mormon/index.php

That's funny!!

[tinmenace]

Nice! So what Vortex did Mitt Romney walk out of then? :eek:


Um, I think he's folks used that name generator thingie :confused:


:D

[steevo]

Last night on TV I saw an interview (I only saw the last minute of it) with Mitt Romney. It took place in Mitt Romney's home I think and the interviewer worked for CBS by the looks of it.

Anyway, the interviewer mentioned that in his early days Romney had been in a car accident and that Romneys colleague was killed in it. The interviewer then asked the question why is it that god let's bad things happen to good people ? Romney sort of stuttered and said that we have been put on this earth to do good things and he was sort of saying that it is up to us to make sure that bad things dont happen to good people.
Mitt Romney is a hypocrite. He is pro war. He and the president of the mormons (and self proclaimed prophet), Gordon B Hinckley, believe that we should follow the laws of the land even though we may not believe the laws to be right. So how then is Mitt Romney going to make sure that bad things dont happen to the innocent children and their families in Iraq and then Iran ?
The mormons believe that wars are meant to happen and that we must sit on our backsides until the second coming of Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ will stop all wars THEN.
I, for one, am not prepared to sit on my arse and wait, this is their way of getting us to accept wars and to kill in the name of whatever.

Here is my post which shows Gordon B Hinckleys view of the war in Iraq :-
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13377

[tinmenace]

Last night on TV I saw an interview (I only saw the last minute of it) with Mitt Romney. It took place in Mitt Romney's home I think and the interviewer worked for CBS by the looks of it.

Anyway, the interviewer mentioned that in his early days Romney had been in a car accident and that Romneys colleague was killed in it. The interviewer then asked the question why is it that god let's bad things happen to good people ? Romney sort of stuttered and said that we have been put on this earth to do good things and he was sort of saying that it is up to us to make sure that bad things dont happen to good people.
Mitt Romney is a hypocrite. He is pro war. He and the president of the mormons (and self proclaimed prophet), Gordon B Hinckley, believe that we should follow the laws of the land even though we may not believe the laws to be right. So how then is Mitt Romney going to make sure that bad things dont happen to the innocent children and their families in Iraq and then Iran ?
The mormons believe that wars are meant to happen and that we must sit on our backsides until the second coming of Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ will stop all wars THEN.
I, for one, am not prepared to sit on my arse and wait, this is their way of getting us to accept wars and to kill in the name of whatever.

Here is my post which shows Gordon B Hinckleys view of the war in Iraq :-
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13377



They're all a bunch of sheep. The ones at the top using the energy of their flock to carry out despicable rituals, and they're too brainwashed to see that something is wrong.

Much like Freemasonry.

In fact:


"Mormonism and Freemasonry are so intimately interwoven and interrelated that the two can never be dissociated."
Freemason.org (http://www.freemason.org/cfo/may_june_2001/mormon.htm)

[kasalt]

This whole article is worth reading, but check out the second to last paragraph in particular...

Mitt Romney forced to backpedal over Martin Luther King claim

Politicians hate the word lie. When caught dissembling, they will concede that they misspoke, or misremembered, or even that they were economical with the truth.

Now Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, has added another entry to the lexicon of political euphemisms for the blatant fib.

When he said that as a boy he “saw” his father march with the civil rights leader Martin Luther King — a claim debunked yesterday — Mr Romney now says that he used the word “saw” as a figure of speech. Mr Romney said: “If you look at the literature, if you look at the dictionary, the term ‘saw’ includes ‘being aware of’ in the sense I’ve described. I did not see it with my own eyes, but I saw him in the sense of being aware of his participation in that great [civil rights] effort.”

Confronted with this, Mitt Romney conceded that he had only heard of his father marching. He added that the statement that he “saw” his father march was akin to him stating, “I saw my dad become president of American Motors”. He told reporters: “I wasn’t there when he became president [of GM].”

Mr Romney, who is attempting to become America’s first Mormon president, released another contorted clarification after telling a talk show that he was endorsed by the National Rifle Association, the powerful gun lobby, when he ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002. The group endorsed no candidate. Mr Romney said on Monday: “It was, if you will, a support phone bank, which is not an official endorsement.”

Mr Romney’s Clintonesque explanations have so far not badly damaged his standing, although he recently lost his lead in Iowa and is tied with Rudy Giuliani at the top of the national polls. But his father’s explanation for why he supported the Vietnam War initially, when he ran for president in 1968, destroyed his campaign. Explaining his later opposition to the war, Mr Romney Sr said that he had been subjected to a “brainwashing” by US generals during a visit to Vietnam.

He was ridiculed for the statement and his presidential bid collapsed.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3082350.ece

[tinmenace]

Unbelievable! :eek:

[steevo]

This whole article is worth reading, but check out the second to last paragraph in particular...

Mitt Romney forced to backpedal over Martin Luther King claim

Politicians hate the word lie. When caught dissembling, they will concede that they misspoke, or misremembered, or even that they were economical with the truth.

Now Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, has added another entry to the lexicon of political euphemisms for the blatant fib.

When he said that as a boy he “saw” his father march with the civil rights leader Martin Luther King — a claim debunked yesterday — Mr Romney now says that he used the word “saw” as a figure of speech. Mr Romney said: “If you look at the literature, if you look at the dictionary, the term ‘saw’ includes ‘being aware of’ in the sense I’ve described. I did not see it with my own eyes, but I saw him in the sense of being aware of his participation in that great [civil rights] effort.”

Confronted with this, Mitt Romney conceded that he had only heard of his father marching. He added that the statement that he “saw” his father march was akin to him stating, “I saw my dad become president of American Motors”. He told reporters: “I wasn’t there when he became president [of GM].”

Mr Romney, who is attempting to become America’s first Mormon president, released another contorted clarification after telling a talk show that he was endorsed by the National Rifle Association, the powerful gun lobby, when he ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002. The group endorsed no candidate. Mr Romney said on Monday: “It was, if you will, a support phone bank, which is not an official endorsement.”

Mr Romney’s Clintonesque explanations have so far not badly damaged his standing, although he recently lost his lead in Iowa and is tied with Rudy Giuliani at the top of the national polls. But his father’s explanation for why he supported the Vietnam War initially, when he ran for president in 1968, destroyed his campaign. Explaining his later opposition to the war, Mr Romney Sr said that he had been subjected to a “brainwashing” by US generals during a visit to Vietnam.

He was ridiculed for the statement and his presidential bid collapsed.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3082350.ece

Thanks for that Kasalt it is a fantastic story, and yep it's unbelievable. It must run in the family. There is no-one more brainwashed than mormons :D
Is Romney doing well in the polls ? Do you think he could be elected as President ? Maybe tptb want a SUPPOSED religious fanatic (of the Christian variety) in power cos then it will definitely be seen as a religious war ?

[kasalt]

Is Romney doing well in the polls ? Do you think he could be elected as President ?

We may know who the Republican nominee will be in as little as a few weeks. One news article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20071221/cm_uc_crpbux/op_334717) I just read says that at this point, it will most likely be between Romney and Huckabee. But will conservative Republicans side with a Mormon? Its hard for me to say. By contrast, Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister--now that's mainstream American religion. But, Romney has that certain ancestry behind him, and we all know what that means...

As for me, I'm supporting Ron Paul to the end, no matter what the odds! ;)

[chris]

I haven't read the full post but Romney isn't in on it. He's just a rich guy who has tried to buy his way into the whitehouse. He panders to as many voters as possible and everyone knows him to be a flip flopper. While the other candidates have gone into a little dept but have made more in return (apart from Ron Paul who's incurred no dept), Romney by the end of the third quater had spent over 27million of his own money into his campaign and only made back about 8 through donations...This isn't the actions of someone in on it.

However, the media try to make him look like a viable candidate as much as possible. Probably because he's paying them a lot of cash and also because they would want anyone but Ron Paul...Unfortunatly for them, they've played him off as a front runner after McCain and Giuliani bombed in the beginning and then Romney has bombed and then Thompson bombed now as a last resort have tried to push Huckabee. This is the perfect time as he's surly to bomb just before primaries and then people will really take a look at the only other candidate who's raised more money than any of them and has a perfect voting record and will own Hilary.

The polling is complete bullshit. Not only has Paul been left out of many of the polls but they only poll likely voters, which means that they will only be polling those that voted for Bush in 2004 when he promised victory and that was the lowest primary turnout in history 6.6%...So just think that not only will the real republicans be back voting but also the independants and democrats who have changed affiliation not to mention the first time voters.

They will find New Hampshire very hard to rig, they are mostly paper ballots and also that we will be watching them very closely.

Also the teaparty and end of quater money decleration will give Paul great momentum into the primaries...It looks quite good right now.

[tinmenace]

This Thread Has Been Hijacked :D
http://spiritual-nature.com/images/ilovedavid.jpg

[steevo]

We may know who the Republican nominee will be in as little as a few weeks. One news article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20071221/cm_uc_crpbux/op_334717) I just read says that at this point, it will most likely be between Romney and Huckabee. But will conservative Republicans side with a Mormon? Its hard for me to say. By contrast, Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister--now that's mainstream American religion. But, Romney has that certain ancestry behind him, and we all know what that means...

As for me, I'm supporting Ron Paul to the end, no matter what the odds! ;)

I haven't read the full post but Romney isn't in on it. He's just a rich guy who has tried to buy his way into the whitehouse. He panders to as many voters as possible and everyone knows him to be a flip flopper. While the other candidates have gone into a little dept but have made more in return (apart from Ron Paul who's incurred no dept), Romney by the end of the third quater had spent over 27million of his own money into his campaign and only made back about 8 through donations...This isn't the actions of someone in on it.

However, the media try to make him look like a viable candidate as much as possible. Probably because he's paying them a lot of cash and also because they would want anyone but Ron Paul...Unfortunatly for them, they've played him off as a front runner after McCain and Giuliani bombed in the beginning and then Romney has bombed and then Thompson bombed now as a last resort have tried to push Huckabee. This is the perfect time as he's surly to bomb just before primaries and then people will really take a look at the only other candidate who's raised more money than any of them and has a perfect voting record and will own Hilary.

The polling is complete bullshit. Not only has Paul been left out of many of the polls but they only poll likely voters, which means that they will only be polling those that voted for Bush in 2004 when he promised victory and that was the lowest primary turnout in history 6.6%...So just think that not only will the real republicans be back voting but also the independants and democrats who have changed affiliation not to mention the first time voters.

They will find New Hampshire very hard to rig, they are mostly paper ballots and also that we will be watching them very closely.

Also the teaparty and end of quater money decleration will give Paul great momentum into the primaries...It looks quite good right now.

Thanks Chris and Kasalt for providing that information. I too will be rooting for Ron Paul right to the end no matter how unlikely. :)

[tinmenace]

Newspaper: Romney 'a phony, must be stopped'

(CNN) -- In unusually stark language, the newspaper in New Hampshire's capital calls former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney "a phony" and tells its readers Sunday that he "most surely must be stopped" in next month's first-in-the-nation primary.

The Concord Monitor published an editorial slamming the GOP presidential candidate for flip-flopping on issues. It also criticized him for his central-casting appearance.

With "an athletic build, ramrod posture, Reaganesque hair, a charismatic speaking style and a crisp dark suit" along with "a beautiful wife and family, a wildly successful business career and just enough executive government experience" Romney espouses "some old GOP bromides -- spending cuts and lower taxes -- plus some new positions for 2008: anti-immigrant rhetoric and a focus on faith," the editorial says.

The Concord Monitor editorial page is considered to be liberal.

But Romney's record makes him "a disquieting figure who sure looks like the next president and most surely must be stopped," the editorial added. The Monitor's editorial page is considered liberal.

It compared Romney's stances as governor of Massachusetts with those taken as a presidential candidate and found glaring differences.

"If you followed only his tenure as governor of Massachusetts, you might imagine Romney as a pragmatic moderate with liberal positions on numerous social issues and an ability to work well with Democrats," it said.

"If you followed only his campaign for president, you'd swear he was a red-meat conservative, pandering to the religious right, whatever the cost. Pay attention to both, and you're left to wonder if there's anything at all at his core."

The editorial then cited Romney's advocacy of gay rights in 1994, when he was running against Sen. Edward Kennedy for the U.S. Senate, and compared that with his current stance.

"These days, he makes a point of his opposition to gay marriage and adoption," it said.

It said Romney once sought to make contraceptive drugs more available, then vetoed a bill that would have allowed them to be sold over-the-counter.

Romney told voters he favored abortion rights in 1994, the editorial said, "and he cited the tragedy of a relative's botched illegal abortion as the reason to keep abortions safe and legal."

Today, it said, he describes himself as "pro-life."

Though Romney once supported embryonic stem-cell research, "these days, he largely opposes it," according the the editorial.

When he was running for governor, Romney rejected an anti-tax pledge "as a gimmick," the editors said. "In this race, he was the first to sign."

The editors acknowledged that people can change, but they said Romney "has yet to explain this particular set of turnarounds in a way that convinces voters they are based on anything other than his own ambition."

The editorial then took Romney to task about torture, saying "he dodges the issue ... unable to say, simply, that waterboarding is torture and America won't do it."

And it called "chilling" Romney's statement that he would like to double the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, which has held terrorist suspects for years without charges.

"When New Hampshire partisans are asked to defend the state's first-in-the-nation primary, we talk about our ability to see the candidates up close, ask tough questions and see through the baloney," the editorial said. "If a candidate is a phony, we assure ourselves and the rest of the world, we'll know it.

"Mitt Romney is such a candidate. New Hampshire Republicans and independents must vote no."

Asked to respond, a campaign spokesman for Romney for President did not specifically address any of the issues raised by the board.

Instead, Kevin Madden said, "The Monitor's editorial board is regarded as a liberal one on many issues, so it is not surprising that they would criticize Gov. Romney for his conservative views and platform.

"Gov. Romney has taken firm positions that are at odds with the board's support for drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, their position against school choice and their advocacy for taking 'Under God' out of the Pledge of Allegiance. The governor happens to disagree with them on all those issues."

SOURCE (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/23/romney.editorial/index.html)








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[chris]

It's interesting that Romney doesn't seem to be pushed by the NWO. Of course they would love him compared to Ron Paul but it seems that Mitt is trying to buy his way into the whitehouse. This is a good thing that Mitt is spending so much money on attacking someone who is being pushed, Mike Huckabee and that can create a lot of apathy or a yearn to find an alternative candidate.

[steevo]

It's interesting that Romney doesn't seem to be pushed by the NWO. Of course they would love him compared to Ron Paul but it seems that Mitt is trying to buy his way into the whitehouse. This is a good thing that Mitt is spending so much money on attacking someone who is being pushed, Mike Huckabee and that can create a lot of apathy or a yearn to find an alternative candidate.

Yes it does seem a good thing that Romney is attacking that other bloke but at the end of the day Romney is pro-war so he is working for the NWO too. Anyway, Romney isnt going to win.

[chris]

Yes it does seem a good thing that Romney is attacking that other bloke but at the end of the day Romney is pro-war so he is working for the NWO too. Anyway, Romney isnt going to win.

No doubt, but it doesn't appear like he's in on it or else he wouldn't be spendings tens of millions of dollars of his own money. If he knew how rigged this thing is, he wouldn't even have bothered running, let alone bankrupt himself.

Obviously he's a shill but it is interesting to see how he may effect the real puppet shills because he's spending a lot of cash in the early states to attack his rivals (other than Ron Paul) and this has an effect by having the attacked candidates attack Romney this will create a lot of apathy amoungst voters and will look for a third choice i.e. Ron Paul.

[tinmenace]

Nitt showing his support for the unwell reptilian son of the pedophile GHWB.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Republican Mitt Romney sharply criticized rival Mike Huckabee Tuesday for joking in a recent interview that President Bush has not been well versed on foreign affairs.

“I’m not sure if Mr. Huckabee meant the attack as a joke, but this is not the time to be mocking our president,” Romney said at an event in Johnston, Iowa, according to the conservative Web site Townhall.com.

Full Article (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)


Of course, with the accusations of satanism and child abuse around the Mormon church, are we REALLY surprised that he defends GWB? No, because he obviously doesn't see anything wrong with it.

[allieoops]

Hello!
I'm new to this forum and didn't even know that it existed until today (unbelievable, I know.....). I have most of David Icke's books and just ordered his most recent one today (Guide To Global Conspiracy).
I found this forum doing a search on Mitt Romney (I grew up as an active Mormon in Utah and still having many friends and family members who are active in the church, so I'm keeping an eye on him).
I visit Steward Swerdlow's website daily to read his insights and I post on there occasionally. Awhile back there were many comments and questions regarding Mormonism, Mitt Romney, etc. I posted some comments and thought some of you might find them interesting. Rather than re-type them, I'm just going to copy and paste it:

"Stewart,
As a past active Mormon (I grew up in Utah, my Father was a bishop, I married in the Temple, and was active for over 50 years), I've read with great interest the recent questions and comments on here regarding this religion.
I could write volumes about my own experiences as well as what my research has turned up regarding this religion or masonic order (which is what it actually is). I have spent the past three years of my life researching and reading everything I could find on this and have uncovered some facts that are both fascinating and horrifying regarding the hierarchy of this church.
But, for now, I just wanted to address Mitt Romney. He is one that needs to be watched and watched closely!
His father, George Romney, was elected Governor of Michigan 3 times and then he ran for President of the U.S. in 1968 against Nixon for the Republican nomination.
The big question is: Why was George Romney allowed to run for President of the U.S. when he was actually born in Mexico? It is a law in this country that you have to be born in the U.S. to run for president, but, for some reason 'they' looked the other way and allowed him to run. George Romney and his family (most of Mitt Romney's family) still live down in Mexico.
I have read at least a dozen personal accounts of those who endured torture, witnessed human sacrifices, satanic rituals and worship etc. who report that George Romney was not only present for these, but was one of those in charge. He was one of the cruelest programmers, handlers, and owners for the illuminati.
There's no question that Mitt Romney is heavily controlled and heavily involved in the illuminati.
Romney, when asked about his background, had the chutzpah to say, 'I come out of the private sector. I've really only been in politics for four years.' Somehow he failed to mention growing up with his own Father serving three terms as governor and also that his Father ran for President of the U.S.
Mitt Romney is in a 'special category' of his own. He's perfectly tanned, wonderfully dressed, tall, and more fit than most any other 60 year old and is too slick. He has the 'perfect' family.
He was actually advised that he ought to learn to stammer a bit more....but, not Mitt, he doesn't botch a word as he delivers one rehearsed paragraph after another.
We all need to keep an eye on this guy!!!!
Allie"

I have also read Cathy O'Brien's book and in it she writes regarding George Romney (Mitt's Father):
"I was taken routinely to Mackinaw Island, Michigan. Mackinaw Island is a political retreat because it is located between the US and Canadian borders. And it is where the Michigan Governor's mansion is located. It was in the Mackinaw Island that I first met then Prime Minister of Canada, Pierre Trudeau, a professed Jesuit. Through conversations that I overheard between him and Governor George Romney, I learned how the CIA and the Catholics were merging their information for NWO controls."

"Michigan's Governor George Romney was very much interested in implementing mind control of the masses. He wanted to bring the Satanic rituals of child abuse that were proliferating in the Catholic Church into the Mormon Church. He wanted a robotic society growing up within the Mormon Church so that they would give more money to the NWO effort."

"Governor Romney was also interested in an early version of the Global Education 2000 Program (Outcome-Based Education) that's infiltrated our school system. It was designed to increase our children's learning capacity while decreasing their ability to critically analyze. As a result of him doing this, the Michigan education system ranked first in the nation for many years, but the devastation to the children was horrible."

Sorry this is so long. I just thought I'd post this on here. I've enjoyed and learned from reading the comments on this forum and I will continue to visit here. I have much more information about the Mormon Church's involvement in the current government and the NWO (since I was an active member for over 50 years, I kind of became obsessed with learning the real truth once I realized I'd been duped....), also the masons, and the church's illuminati connections (all of the Mormon "prophets" have been from the Merovingian Bloodline).

Thanks for letting me share.....
Allie

[tinmenace]

Allie,

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for making this your first post. It's an important one! Thank you!

Yes, Mitt is dangerous in my opinion. Actually anyone who promotes war is dangerous in my opinion because it shows their lack of respect and reverence for life.

I was exposed to Mormonism also, as my father's side of the family were (and still are) devout Mormons. They tried to baptize me, but something inside me told me no. Amazing how our higher self guides us, eh?

I look forward to more from you!

Hugs
Tin :)

[chris]

Hey Allieoops, welcome aboard! Thanks for the insight.

I agree that he's probably extremely fucked up. If there ever was a manchuraian candidate amongst the crowd, Romney has to be it. He's almost a Stepford wife. He has the most crafted and calculating politician I have ever seen but we are talking about dastardly bastards here and to me from the outside looking in, it seems as though Romney isn't their number 1 choice which makes me wonder how fucked up the other candidates have to be?

Romney doesn't seem to know what's up, he's a product of mind control. Whereas Giuliani knows the deal and he's all for it and then some. Perhaps Romney will try to beat Hilary or Obama while the others will be trusted to take a beautiful dive. So I think this is why Romney isn't the establishments first pick but obviously, they'll take him anyday over Ron Paul. What do you think?

[allieoops]

Hi Chris & Tin,
Thanks for the welcome! I agree with all that you both have written on the subject of Mitt Romney.
I'm not sure how much Romney is on board with the NWO plans, etc. or if he's just a complete zombee, mind controlled puppet (like Bush, Jr.)....but, either way, he'll be working to help them achieve their goals. I personally believe that the Republican candidate will be either Rudy or Romney....but, it won't matter much because from what I've read from those who seem credible (?), Hilary has been groomed to be the next president. I'll be voting for Ron Paul and I honestly think he'd have a great shot at winning the nomination if the election was really an election (he won many of the debates, if you can believe the Fox public polls). If Americans and the rest of the world can't see that something's fishy when either a Bush or a Clinton will have held the office of president for 28 years straight (if Hilary is elected and serves two terms), then people really are blind.
Anyway....back to Romney. I'm not sure how you may feel about the reptillians and the illuminati, but Romney's uncle (Marion G.) was in several first presidencies (counselor to the "Prophet" of the church) and was also an Apostle of the church. He pretty much ran the church when many of the Prophets became ill and senile. Mitt's uncle HAD to be in the know and on the inside to be that high up in the leadership. I've read many accounts of church members who were involved in rituals, abuse, and blood sacrifices who witnessed the Prophet and the 12 Apostles (who are ALL ordained and set apart as "Prophets" as well as Apostles) shapeshift into reptillians. This has to include Marion G. Romney, Mitt's uncle.
I have just a partial list of all the Mormons in key government positions and I'll post what I have (it's unbelievable.....). How these are kept "secret", I'm not sure, but they are, even to Mormon church members. Also, I've researched and found definitive proof that many of the apostles in the Mormon church were with the CIA....but, again, this wasn't known to any church members. Bush has a very close association with the Mormon church.
Again, thanks for your comments.....I'm having a great time reading on this forum and have learned much from all of you.
Allie

[tinmenace]

Awesome! Can't wait to hear more from you!

[allieoops]

Hello Again!
In my research on the Mormon Church's connections (as of 2005....so some appointments may not still be current, but were as of 2005), here are just a portion:

A Mormon (Eccles) was one of the key men behind The Federal Reserve system we now have (privately owned) and was, I believe, the first chairman of the Federal Reserve.

There is a significant Diebold-Mormon link. Diebold, as I'm sure most know, is the Ohio computer election systems which led to the re-election of George W. Bush.

Of course, there's also the Mormon Marriotts who could have volumes written about their government connections and favors. Most recently, J.W. "Bill" Marriott is suspected of knowing something the rest of the world didn't know when he sold their company's airline catering division (Marriott In-Flite Services). Somehow he knew that recent events would kill his business. He sold his airline catering service to Carlyle (at the time, Carlyle called it "the greatest deal since sliced bread"). Carlyle renamed the company "Caterair" and they went into default. Both of the Bush's (father and son) were in on this deal and made millions.

There are many, many more Bush/Mormon ties, but here are a few:
General Brent Scowcroft, G.W. Bush's National Security Adviser and who now heads his President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board is a Mormon.
Mike Leavitt, George W.'s EPA Director is Mormon and part of the so called 2,000 member clan.

For those who aren't aware of Brigham Young University (in Provo, Utah). It's a privately owned Mormon university and has a student body that is 99% Mormon.

Karl Rove, although not a Mormon, grew up in Salt Lake City, loved the Mormon culture and is extremely close to the Mormon hierarchy. He was also educated at the University of Utah.
Rove reportedly operated a virtual "Mormon Mafia" out of his White House office. Including:
Kyle Sampson (a Mormon Bishop and a Brigham Young University graduate), was Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's chief of staff at the Dept. of Justice, and was the one who misled Congress about the role Rove played in the firing of the U.S. Attorneys. Sampson resigned his title as Chief of Staff over the firings (take note that he didn't "quit" as the public is led to believe, he only "resigned his title"....today, he is still drawing his full salary at the Department of Justice).
Sheldon Bradshaw (who is a counselor to Kyle Sampson in their Mormon Bishopric and also a graduate of Brigham Young University), is a former Bush deputy US Attorney General and is now Counsel in the Food and Drug Administration.
Kyle Sampson was also an extremely close friend and law school classmate of Elizabeth Cheney, daughter of Dick Cheney who is said to have put in a good word to get Sampson a top job in the Bush administration.
Brad Berenson, another active Mormon, was an associate counsel to Bush during his first term and is now Sampson's lawyer in the US Attorney matter.
Emails released in March, 2007, show that as early as 2005, Sampson was trying to push Paul Warner out of his job as US Attorney for Utah, so he could then be appointed to this position.
When Paul Warner did leave (to become a federal magistrate) in 2006, the job was given to Brett Tolman (another active Mormon), a former Senate Judiciary Committee staff member.
Brett Tolman was on the Judiciary Committee when they were reauthorizing the "Patriot Act" in 2005-2006. One night, before the passage of the bill, Tolman inserted a paragraph into the legislation that basically removed Senate oversight and approval of replacements for US Attorneys. He didn't tell any Senators about this. He just snuck it into the bill and none of them knew they were voting for that provision.

So, in the Justice/Judiciary system (2005), the Mormons include:
D. Kyle Sampson
Timothy Flanigan
Thomas B. Griffith
Jay S. Bybee
Michael O'Neill
Robert Clive Jones
Sheldon Bradshaw
Ted Stewart
Michael Mosman


Timothy E. Flanigan, was Bush's former Deputy White House Counsel, organized the Bush v. Gore Supreme Court legal argument and was also given the task of making the Homeland Security department come to life, is a very active Mormon and a graduate of Brigham Young University.

Harvard Business publications is Mormon-run. The editor Harvard Business Review as well as the Dean of Harvard Business School are all Mormons.

Orrin Hatch (an "out of the closet" Mormon), chairs the Senate Judiciary Committe that oversees the Department of Justice and the FBI.

Dawin A. John was tapped to reorganize the FBI's computer files. John became the bureau's Chief Information Officers. His prior job was managing director of information and communication systems for the Mormon Church, where he'd served for 12 years as an active Mormon.

Michael O'Neal is Chief Counsel of the Senate Judiciary Committee and also an active Mormon and graduate of Brigham Young University.

Thomas Griffith was appointed to the DC Circuit Court, which hears appeals from the US Districtcourt and reviews the decisions of a number of administrative agencies. Griffith is an active Mormon and graduate of B.Y.U.

Robert Clive Jones was nominated by Bush to the federal District Court Judgeship. Jones is an active Mormon and graduate of B.Y.U.

Jay Bybee became the judge for the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, nominated by Bush. Bybee is an active Mormon and graduate of B.Y.U. He is very prejudicial in favor of Utah polygamists and will not allow them to be prosecuted even though many of them are abusers of women and children.

I can go on and on....but, a couple more things...
1) Dick Cheney was last year's commencement speaker at Brigham Young University.
2) Here is a direct quote from a member of the committe of 200: "The Mormon corporate empire has an enormous interest in the subject of global control and the cabal; they have much more power than the White House or the Pentagon over this issue".

I also much information on the Mormon Church's control of Mexican Drug money, Las Vegas, uranium, Utah mines (especially Kennicott Copper Mine), Australia (connections with the uranium) and hundreds of other Mormon names secretly connected and working for Bush.

"Office of the Press Secretary
April 5, 2001

The President intends to nominate Jeffrey R. Holmstead to be an Assistant Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency for Air and Radiation. He is currently with the law firm of Latham & Watkins and served as an Associate Counsel under former President George H.W. Bush. He is a graduate of Brigham Young University and Yale Law School."

David P. Tenny was named deputy under secretary for natural resources and environment for the U. S. Department of Agriculture in October 2001. He had been acting in that position since January 22, 2001. As deputy under secretary, he is responsible for policy relating to the programs of the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service.
Tenny came to this position from the House Committee on Agriculture of the United States Congress, where he served as counsel and policy advisor on natural resources and related issues since January 1997.
A native of Boise, Idaho, Tenny earned a bachelor's degree in American studies from Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, and a law degree from George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

On July 17, 2001, John W. Keys, III was sworn in as the 16th Commissioner of the Bureau of Reclamation, an agency in the Department of the Interior. Keys oversees the operation and maintenance of Reclamation's water storage, water distribution, and electric power generation facilities in the 17 Western States. Reclamation is the nation's largest wholesale water supplier and the fifth largest electric utility in the 17 Western States.
Keys is a native of Sheffield, Alabama. He received a Bachelor's Degree in Civil Engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology in 1964 and a Master's Degree in 1971 from Brigham Young University.

On Nov. 19, 2004, the United States Senate confirmed four presidential appointees to senior positions within the Environmental Protection Agency. Stephen Johnson, deputy administrator; Ann Klee, general counsel; Charles Johnson, chief financial officer; and Benjamin Grumbles, assistant administrator for the office of water.
"These confirmations help solidify my executive team," said EPA Administrator Mike Leavitt. "Each of them brings incredible talent, dedication and experience, as well as seasoned judgment, to the Agency."
Charles E. Johnson is EPA's chief financial officer. Mr. Johnson will oversee EPA's more than $8 billion operating budget. He is also responsible for developing, managing and supporting a goals-based management system within the Agency. Prior to joining EPA, Mr. Johnson was president of Huntsman Cancer Foundation and vice president of Huntsman LLC. He also served as a member of the Utah State Board of Regents and was chief of staff to Utah Governor Michael O. Leavitt from 1992 to 1997.

4/28/05
Charles Johnson has been named assistant secretary for budget, technology and finance at the Department of Health and Human Services. He currently serves as chief financial officer at the Environmental Protection Agency. He previously was president of the Huntsman Cancer Foundation and vice president of Huntsman LLC. Prior to that, Johnson was vice chairman of the board for strategic direction for the Garff-Warner Organization. He earned his bachelor's degree from Brigham Young University.

Agriculture/Environment, I found:
Taylor Oldroyd
Charles R. Christopherson, Jr.
Jeffrey R. Holmstead
David P. Tenny
Charles Johnson
Kathleen Clarke
John W. Keys III
Mike Leavitt

Also there's a very high percentage of the CIA who are Mormons (this actually caused a lawsuit) and the CIA actively recruits BYU graduates.

I'll post more later..... :)
Allie

[yvonne]

From the three water signs will be born a man
who will celebrate Thursday as his holiday.
His renown, praise, rule and power will grow
on land and sea, bringing trouble to the East.

He, so far, is the only one that fits the bill to the three water signs. (He and both his parents)...If it even still applies...lol

[delamo1999]

Hi Allie:

Thanks for all of the great info. I am looking forward to reading more of your posts.

:)

[allieoops]

Hi Delamo! Thanks so much.....I'm enjoying reading all of the comments and posts on this forum and I'm so glad that I found you!!

[tinmenace]

Wow, that info is amazing. My first reaction was to reprimand myself and say "well, Mormons are allowed jobs in government too y'know!", but then I reminded myself that it's basically Freemasonry in disguise. It's a less obvious infiltration.

Thanks Allie for your info! Great posts! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[allieoops]

Hi Tin,
Yeah....and, that's just scratching the surface. Imagine how I feel...I was an active Mormon for over 50 years (I just woke up a couple of years ago and started searching for the truth myself), and I didn't even know how involved the Mormon Church was in running this country.

You're so right about the church just being a Masonic order. But, just as in freemasonry, only the top ranks know who they really are. Many members of my immediate family and many of my close friends are active, strong Mormons and they are good, wonderful people with integrity. The members of the church have no idea what is really going on. Even the local leaders, for the most part, don't know.

I've been through the temple and have been in the Salt Lake Temple many times. I was a temple recommend holder (only church members who are worthy can hold a recommend which must be shown to enter) for 30 years and attended the temple regularly. I honestly never liked it, but I thought it was because I wasn't strong or faithful enough and I was told to go more often to gain a testimony of temple work.

It's hard for someone to understand the mind control that exists in the church (and other religions, as well.....but, the Catholic Church, The Mormon Church and the Watchtower or Jehova Witnesses are all Illuminati run). I was told from birth that I was chosen and part of the elect who were members of Christ's ONLY true church. We are told that when our Prophet speaks, our thinking is done for us.

The masses of the church don't even know who the masons are and the majority of them don't even know that Joseph Smith was a freemason. If I bring this up to a member, they always say, "what's a mason?"

The temple ceremony is almost identical to a freemason ritual (word for word for much of it). When I went through, in the 1970's, for the first time and received my "endowment" (this is what it's called when you go through for yourself.....after that first time, every time you go back, you're going through in proxy for another name of someone who's no longer living), we had to take the same identical blood oaths that freemasons take (slitting the throat, etc.). Mitt Romney went through the temple earlier than I, so I know that he took these too. I honestly was horrified. We are taught that going to the temple is wonderful and beautiful and so sacred that we are never to speak of it outside its walls. I was SO upset and disappointed that this is what I'd been waiting for my whole life up til then (I was 20 and getting married). But, I couldn't talk about it to ANYONE because it was SO sacred (not even my parents, who were temple workers, or my husband). I just kept believing that, for some reason this was what was necessary to do, if that's what the Prophet and the Lord told us to do.

The first time you go through the temple, you receive the temple garments (underwear) to put on during the ceremony and you are told to wear these night and day for protection and to remind you of the covenants you'd made in the temple. Many Mormons won't even remove them for sex....(sorry if that offends anyone).

There are "marks" in the garments that we are told are sacred and again, never to discuss. Now, this is going to seem unbelievable to you, but I NEVER knew until a couple of years ago that the compass and the square were the Masonic symbols. I thought they were sacred Mormon symbols (which are never spoken of, except in the temple). Stitched in ALL temple garments is a compass over one breast and the square stitched over the other breast. When I woke up and learned that these were masonic symbols....it completely blew me away!

Sorry this is long....I could go on and on, but won't!

Just a few more facts, and then I'll quit. Underneath the Salt Lake Temple (all throughout Utah as you probably know are tunnels, mines, etc.), there are ritual rooms identical to the ceremonial rooms up inside the temple. Here is where rituals take place that are identical to the rituals done in the temple each time we attend, but they are done to worship Satan, instead of to God (as we believe, but actually even those are done to Satan). This is an Illuminati programming site and child abuse, blood rituals and sacrifices take place here (this is where the Prophet and the 12 Apostles have been seen participating by many and have seen shapeshifting).

The only temples I've been able to verify that this takes place are under the Salt Lake Temple and under the Portland, Oregon temple....but I have to believe that these aren't the only two.

Look up the "George Pace Memo", you can read it online. George Pace was a general authority (in Salt Lake, working with the prophet and the 12) and was the presiding Bishop for the church. He wrote a memo and reported to the church that there were high numbers of abuse victims (mostly in Utah) coming forward with identical stories of recovered memories of abuse from church leaders. These memories, for the most part, were coming back to people (mostly women) when they went through the temple for their own endowment (first time going through the rituals in the temple). This was happening because they were identical to the "black" sessions taking place underground that they had participated in as a child. After his memo (which the church tried to keep secret , and did a "mock" investigation and then dismissed it), the church eliminated the blood oaths in the temple ceremony. So they are no longer a part of the endowment.

As a "temple worthy", "recommend holder", Mitt Romney most likely attends the temple on a regular basis. Again, I can't be certain what Mitt knows and how involved he is with the Illuminati. Knowing that his father was a programmer for them, Mitt was most likely programmed (fairly obvious from watching him), so he may still believe all the cover up. Or, he may be actively involved in the programming of others, the rituals and the abuse. Either way, it's not good. Anyone who believes that he won't be under the direction and guidance of the prophet of the church, doesn't understand how indoctrinated Mormons are.

Sorry, again with the length of this.....later..... :)
Allie

[otto vollov]

Thanks Alli for your insight. I was also brought up in the Mormon church. My family are all current members. They are wonderful loving people and I'm sure that they aren't aware of the true nature of their worship. I can never discuss politics with them because they always believe that their god put the idiot into the white house. They believe the wars are ok because they think other people are inferior and so its god's will to conquer them and then convert them all to the church. Where have I heard this one before? I left the church at age 20 and never looked back.

Also, Alli, its fine to write extensive texts but its easier on the eyes if you break it into small paragraphs. Thanks again;) Welcome to the Forum

[allieoops]

Hi Otto,
Thanks for the suggestion (regarding paragraphs), I can see that as I look back over my last post! I honestly don't normally post such lengthy messages....but there's a lot hidden regarding Mitt Romney and the Mormons.

I wish I'd woken up, as you did, when I was 20.....many of my years were wasted believing all of the brainwashing. I feel awful for the believing Mormons who really believe that Mitt (many are hopeful, he's the one) or someone will "save" America when its Constitution "hangs by a thread" (this, as you know, is quoted often by church members). The majority of Mormons are such good people.

Anyway.....thanks, again!
Allie

[kasalt]

Jon Stewart owns Mitt Romney in this clip from the Daily Show. He even goes so far as to refer to Romney as a "shapeshifter" for changing his views on the campaign trail (I wonder where he got that analogy from):

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2008/01/mitt_lies.html

[tinmenace]

Jon cracks me up! :D

[ssyx]

Mitt's bio...
http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Mitt_Romney

[tinmenace]

Liz Cheney backs Romney

ORLANDO, Florida (CNN) — Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter Elizabeth Cheney is joining Mitt Romney's presidential bid, his campaign announced Sunday.

She previously stumped for former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee who dropped out of the race last week.

In a statement released by Romney's campaign, Cheney said the former Massachusetts governor "has distinguished himself as a leader who can guide our country with a clear vision for overcoming the threats we face today."

She also called him "the only candidate who has outlined a comprehensive strategy for defeating the global Jihadist threat."

Cheney, 41, once served as the principal deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern Affairs at the State Department. She stepped down from the senior-level post in 2006.

She also worked in the State Department from 2002 to 2003, before leaving to work on her father's re-election campaign.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/








Pretty obvious whom the loomies like on the Republican side, eh?


:rolleyes:

[cloudgazer]

Thanks for the info. even tho I didn't trust him already, hehe. But it's nice to have more reasons not to trust him.

[tinmenace]

Thanks for the info. even tho I didn't trust him already, hehe. But it's nice to have more reasons not to trust him.

Yeah, I had a gnarly feeling about almost him a year ago, which is when I think I started this thread. I think he will be the contender against Hellary in the final "election". One is just as wicked as the next. Yuck!

[tinmenace]

Mormon pioneer Gordon Hinckley dead at 97

(CNN) -- Mormon leader Gordon B. Hinckley died Sunday night at age 97, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints announced.

Hinckley served as president of the Salt Lake City-based church since 1995 and has been a member of its top leadership since the 1960s. He died about 7 p.m. Sunday (9 p.m. ET) with his family by his side, church officials announced.

The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, which becomes the nearly 13 million-member church's governing body upon the death of the president, will choose a successor after Hinckley's funeral.

No arrangements had been announced.

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/27/obit.hinckley/index.html)






This is going to be interesting...

[king triad]

I had a dream that romney was satan...hope he doesnt win....