Green Villages: Findhorn, Scotland

[doyouknowyourdead]

check out our recent visit to the Findhorn community that claims to be "a spiritual community, ecovillage and an international centre for holistic education, helping to unfold a new human consciousness and create a positive and sustainable future." CLICK HERE! (http://www.doyouknowyourdead.com/?page_id=28)

[danielg]

It is a United Nations project, one of their post-global genocide model villages. Look at its founders, David Spangler, son a a US military intelligence officer, United Nations proponent and leading New Ager.
In his own words:
"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation."
- David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
Other founding members, Eileen Caddy, daughter of Barclays Bank director, twice married to high level military men....oh, I mean Eileen Caddy MBE.
Founding member Peter Caddy, member of the Rosicrucian Order.
And so forth.

[doyouknowyourdead]

It is a United Nations project, one of their post-global genocide model villages. Look at its founders, David Spangler, son a a US military intelligence officer, United Nations proponent and leading New Ager.
In his own words:

Other founding members, Eileen Caddy, daughter of Barclays Bank director, twice married to high level military men....oh, I mean Eileen Caddy MBE.
Founding member Peter Caddy, member of the Rosicrucian Order.
And so forth.

Ahh! Thanks for this post, it makes a lot of sense.

[thetonic]

Whoa !! good find danielg.. That guy and place was giving me wierd vibes just watching the videos.. That is a tavistock dream !! These people are already forming brainwash communitites . FOOOOK!

[hagbard_celine]

I did the Experience Week at Findhorn in May 2005 and I enjoyed it, although I'm a bit dubious about some of it, but I can't put my finger on why. I'm not inclined to go back there.

[baron von lotsov]

Whoa !! good find danielg.. That guy and place was giving me wierd vibes just watching the videos.. That is a tavistock dream !! These people are already forming brainwash communitites . FOOOOK!


Yeh, we have done Findhorn before on here. I'm so pleased that this time around people are putting out proper information on it. This is real progress.

[caz111]

Dorothy Maclean, a co-founder of Findhorn, was also part of the OSS, later the CIA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Maclean
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?4040

And it has been suggested that mind control was practised on Eileen Caddy, who filled 30,000 pages of notes which were the voices she heard:
http://alexconstantine.blogspot.com/2006/12/urantia-911truthorg-cia-mind-control.html

However, the really scary part is, they are now in our schools. The staff at 'Teens and Toddlers' are also at Findhorn, and 'Teens and Toddlers' are working in a large number of our schools.
http://www.teensandtoddlers.org/biographies.htm

'Teens and Toddlers' expresses gratitude to the ARK 'charity', now controlling 3 schools in London and looking for 12, and 'The Psychosynthesis Education Trust'. I suspect ARK Academy schools and others are the tool with which such programmes are introduced. (Particularly when the ARK funding agreement with the government states that it is at the Head Teacher's discretion if students study the core subjects of english, maths and science.)

from: http://www.arkonline.org/?p=56
Teens and Toddlers would like to thank ARK and The Psychosynthesis & Education Trust for its ongoing support. Teens and Toddlers is a project of Children Our Ultimate Investment (UK) Registered Charity Number 1099782
Website by ZCT

Teens and Toddlers is part of a larger charity, COUI, set up by Laura Huxley, wife of eugenicist Aldous Huxley.

Since the Ludus Dance company performance 'Perfect Eugene' seems to have targeted teenage girls with money (Wellcome Trust, I suspect, targeting future mothers who can afford to pay for such genetic engineering) I am suspicious that the 'disadvantaged' schools will get pregnancy prevention advice instead, advice via Teens and Toddlers programmes.

Genetics=eugenics.

[kimball13]

check out our recent visit to the Findhorn community that claims to be "a spiritual community, ecovillage and an international centre for holistic education, helping to unfold a new human consciousness and create a positive and sustainable future." CLICK HERE! (http://www.doyouknowyourdead.com/?page_id=28)

just the title tells me that this is the message that causes the condition to commit suicide, such as suicide pacts as well as individualy, this may be the type of programing used in the UK in Bridgend, South Wales.
those sick assholes, that is wher they get the :mad:ME TOO! as in im dead what about you.:mad:i will have to look into, and by the way any time you think I AM YOU ARE I AM, AND THEREFORE, ARE INFINITE, AND FAR FROM BEING DEAD, SO WAKE UP AND SAY I AM.

big diffence between the concept i am and me too, me to is only a reflection, i am is the sorce.;)

[kimball13]

My suspicions are it is a front:cool: durring his presentation his conveance of info has an undelying intention......Just like a zoo handler trying to coax a lion ito its cage.:cool:

[void]

Generally I am wary about making judgements about communities I've not actually lived in, because I know from being in communitys that outsiders often start whispering all sorts of laughable rumours. Watching the three videos (good god, 8 jet passes?) though, it reminds me a little of a community I lived in for a while in another country, which I discovered had some Findhorn influence, monetarily, ideologically, and energetically.

One guy staying there spent much time in Findhorn,and telling me about it revealed how much influence they had in thos other place. Until going to that place I'd never heard of Findhorn. Overall I didn't get any weird vibes from the guy about what he said about the place from his own experience. But there was a slight energy 'ritual' influence on the community that had taken place at the hands of Findhorn linked folks, which to me seemed a slight cause for concern (in my opinion), the details of which I'd rather not go into.

But in some ways this slight concern of mine was confirmed a bit when I later on read of a guy who says the Findhorn community (he spent much time there) and aspects of its ideology have some seriously dubious Astral connections (whether they are aware of it or not) regarding this whole "'Nature Spirit" thing which appears to be part of it. True or not,I don't know. But in some ways it confirms suspicions I had which made me feel a little bit uncomfortable with the other community I was in, and this 'may' be why.

I suppose the 'career' links of some of the founders that folks above have pointed out, could be roots for concern in one way another. Or, they may not. Hard to say. What I will say about the standard criticism of these type of places though (such as people labelling them cults and getting suspicious because you can't just do what you want in them) is - Well, that's the whole point of them. They are concentrated pools of people choosing to live together under a certain ideology they want to live with, and if there are restrictions, power structures, and control of what goes on there then that's simply understandable. Anyone wanting to just do what they want, can go back into society and their own houses and do what they want that way.

Nobody forces people into these communities. But,the only risk is that yes you may have been only attracted to 'elements' of the ideology and over time could find yourself feeling pressured to buy into the "whole" ideological package if you want to stay there and feel totally at ease, and I hear that there is a bit of pressure to accept this 'nature spirit' ideology . Unfortunately that is often the price of such communitys. Anyone who wants to practice how 'they' wish is free to create their own community on their own terms.

[void]

Personal account from what seems to be a pretty down to earth guy.

MEMBERSHIP OF THE FINDHORN FOUNDATION - YouTube
FINDHORN FOUNDATION - YouTube
FINDHORN FOUNDATION CAP PART 2 - YouTube
THE GUEST DEPARTMENT - YouTube

[manx angel]

I am handicapped in that I have dial up internet which does not allow me to watch videos. However, I have been to Findhorn many times.

I do not believe anything sinister about Eileen Caddy, nor about Dorothy. Eileen encouraged people to contact 'The God Within'. I hardly see anything negative about that. Peter Caddy did seem to be capable of doing things that discredited him, but he left the community some time ago and died some years ago.

There is, or at least was, a strong angelic presence at Findhorn. I cannot feel that lower astrals could be responsible for certain aspects of the gardens at Findhorn.

I think Findhorn has gone downhill lately. Shortly after Eileen Caddy's death a group of trustees permitted the building of a large number of private houses in an ecologically sensitive area next to the Park side of the Findhorn Foundation called 'Dunelands'. I feel this has discredited the Foundation as an ecologically aware community to a very damaging degree. I do not know if it is connected, but I noted that Dorothy's name was no longer on the staff list, and I suspect she may have left as she is not sufficiently hypocritical to lecture about the nature kingdom and the elementals when something so obviously environmentally unsound has been done in Dunelands.

I feel that the shoe may well be on the other foot with Findhorn, that the place had a purity that the NWO did not like. I do not discount the possibility that it might well have been sabotaged and undermined. Greed, power and money have certainly come into the mix there of late. It is a great shame.

[astral_girl]

In the Shadow of the New Age: Decoding the Findhorn Foundation

J. P. Greenaway

London, England: Finderne Publishing. 385 page paperback.

Reviewed by Frank MacHovec, Ph.D.



John Greenaway is a British lawyer whose interest in New Age religion took him to Scotland’s Findhorn Foundation, considered by many to be Europe’s Esalen. This book details his spiritual journey that included “several short stays” at Findhorn, meditation with a Carmelite monk as “spiritual director,” and “supplementary direction from Tibetan Buddhist sources.” It is also a detailed history of the New Age from pre-World War II. Greenaway concludes that New Age religion is socially divisive, blocks understanding by those of differing spiritual paths, and undermines genuine spiritual renewal.”

There is a lengthy 12-page Preface that could have been Chapter 1. There are 22 chapters of varying lengths from Chapter 8 at three pages and Chapter 15 at 70 pages. The bibliography uses an unusual 4-column format, and there is a detailed 13-page two-column index. Greenaway considers the Findhorn Foundation “a highly distorted and commercialized version of the Ancient Wisdom” (p. 19). He describes a major weakness in many cults and sects, absolute certainty they have spiritual truth though it is based on very little or highly speculative data. “Human potential practitioners make their own methods sound more unique than they actually are” (67). Most are actually spin-offs of historical movements such as Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, or Islam but hybrid versions with very little originality or authentic historical concepts. Greenaway comments that the Findhorn Foundation was “never any good at historical scholarship” (21) but followed the dictum “we create our own reality,” a “megalomaniac doctrine” of “New Age psychospirituality, excited hyper-theosophy” and a “wacky package” of “California occultism” (21-25).

Chapter 1 traces Findhorn’s roots to Peter Caddy; this is useful information, but six pages are devoted to commenting on a 70-pound cabbage claimed to have grown “by spirit force.” There are misleading examples or errors when the book wanders off its focus on New Age movements. Empedocles is linked to acupuncture, more Chinese than Greek, and Pythagoras to prana, shakti, and chi mixing Hindu and Chinese origins (13). Greek culture is said to have centered in Alexandria, Egypt not Athens, Greece (12). Chapter 2 is a historical overview of the New Age movement in four phases, from Blavatsky’s theosophy to humanistic psychology then to the human potential movement in the 1960s and prosperity consciousness since the 1980s. Chapter 3 updates the Findhorn Foundation from the 3-year visit by David Spangler of California after Peter Caddy dropped out in 1979. Spangler introduced channeling and group consciousness. Greenaway feels Spangler’s work resulted in disenchantment for many members who left the program.

In Chapter 4 history is again reported but this time in waves. The first wave began 1914-1919 with Aleister Crowley and peaked in the 1950s. The second wave was in the 1960s energized by the “third force” of humanistic psychology. The third wave began with Esalen’s Big Sur program and continued in the 1980s prosperity consciousness. This material belongs in Chapter 2. There is more history in Chapter 5 but with some subjective bias. Maslow and Rogers are referred to as “the seminal influences” of the human potential movement. Timothy Leary and others like him would have been better examples. He credits Rogers with developing group therapy (68), but he was but one of many who used group methods. He charges “Rogerian attitudes hinder maturation and development ‘growth’ workshops are supposed to be about” (68), but Rogers’ major emphasis was on self-awareness and personal growth. Rogers takes another hit for espousing empathy and unconditional positive regard “teetering on the edge of the manic” (72). Does this mean the Good Samaritan was just manic? “We create our own reality” is misattributed to Maslow. It is a basic tenet of existentialism that preceded Maslow.

Humanistic psychology and the human potential movement are criticized for “a curious lack of foundation, a relative absence of historical sense and historically guided coordination despite much pre-occupation with groundedness” (71). Not true. They were “the third force” against the first two, psychoanalysis and behaviorism, which denied or minimized free will and the potential to overcome instinctive drives and conditioning. Modern historical roots are Rousseau’s “noble savage” against Locke’s mind as a blank slate and the Darwinian idea that we are monkeys' uncles. Ancient roots can be seen in Socrates’ admonition “know thyself.” It is charged they are anti-intellectual but “the anti-intellectualism of these people, nearly always intellectual themselves though prone to deny it, is by no means confined to the New Age, and paradoxically has intellectual roots” (72). Translation, please?

Chapter 15 is 69 pages and the book’s longest. Eight pages describe the relationship of Freemasons to Findhorn Foundation and how its “structure and modus operandi imitates Masonry” (178). The author states that he is not a Mason and the only substantiating data offered is that some of Findhorn leaders were or are Masons. The chapter wanders through “mystery traditions” such as the “aeons” of Osiris and Horus, Ordo Templi Orientis, star Sirius, the Order of Melchizedek, and the Great White Lodge. Caddy, Crowley, Blavatsky, and Bailey are revisited adding little substance, though Alice Bailey’s husband (Ahah!) was “a respected Freemason” (195). More than half the chapter details Blavatsky’s theosophy, which “has been a central influence in Foundation spirituality” (217) and “what C. G. Jung calls ‘the shadow,’ i.e., archetypal material pushing up from the unconscious” (218). The New Age is seen as “a new paradigm” for “an emerging global religion” and “new root race” (189), a worldwide movement using “paranormal techniques preserved from ancient times, including hypnosis, laws of forms, ritual, and behavior control” (190). Its aim is “to restore the inner or esoteric dynamic” that Christianity has “largely lost” (202).

Chapter 16 explores “the United Nations connection” in the Lucis Trust, originally The Lucifer Trust, but omits the etymology that Lucifer first meant light and in Britain, a match. Lucis “appears to have a long term advisory connection with the U.N.” (238) and “a sympathetic parallelism” with the Findhorn Foundation “and its leading affiliates and writers” (239). Findhorn “achieved three U.N. affiliations.” This may be evidence of a “ramp, something between a paradigm and a conspiracy … a kind of group consciousness that is charged and selfish in nature” (240). This ramp is “a mingling of Alice Bailey’s theosophy with eccentric Freemasonry and an extreme development of Star Sirius lore” (247)." The “U.N. bureaucrats do not appear to know what is going on in the engine room” (242). “We are looking at an international network which has already acquired enormous power without revealing much of what it is about …” (248).

Chapter 17 focuses on “language games” such as the “classic mind-trap” of Findhorn’s “we create our own reality’” and “democratic sounding terms such as ‘eco, group, community, village’” (250). There is a change in direction that describes various Findhorn operations. Chapter 18 details ways Findhorn creates its own reality but its “eco-village is but the ‘planetary village’ of ‘Limitless Love and Truth’ under a toned down title and expensive workshop spirituality … derived from New Age California and its distorted Theosophy” (263). The work of Singer, Lifton, Clark, and Langone on mind control are described and compared to Findhorn practices. Chapters 19, 20, and 21 describe various foundation activities over time.

Chapter 22 summarizes the book and concludes “Findhorn Foundation is not the exploration of Eastern religions or the Western mystery tradition” but “a type of commercial spirituality” (356). It is “genuine up to a point when seeking public recognition or applying for public money.” It is “trying to re-invent itself as an international eco-center,” though it remains “a hybridization” of New Age elements (356). The prefix “eco” is “a gift to word-spinners,” a “chameleon word” for Findhorn “a magical compression of its totalist mission” (356). Without data he again charges, “Freemasonry allied to the New Age is a volatile and flaky departure from historical Masonry” and “Christian churches have been almost mown down by the New Age phenomenon" (357). He describes New Age religion as a “distorting prism” to “first dive into our Self” to find “pristine innocence ignoring Man’s Fall” then to realize “we are God.” In contrast, Christianity “stands ready with natural powers at rest before a higher Power which lifts us up” but critical of it because its “narrow doctrinal rationalism and legalism drives people out of existing churches by the million” (359). He offers “two ways back to sanity,” recognizing “a significant proportion” of New Age religions are “exploitive,” and “churches need to recover their history” including the “healing traditions” and “energy flow” of earlier Christian and Eastern ideas (358). He recommends “a Western Christian ashram” such as Bede Griffith’s in India and “meditative prayer” to “discourage crazes” (360). He considers the New Age not new at all but can be traced back to Virgil and 12th century papal approval of meditative prayer “nurturing the space before words” (361). He sees traditional religion as too restrictive of individual spiritual growth and New Age versions as too unrestricted and shallow.

Despite some rambling, repetition, needless tangents, and a focus on relatively trivial facts this book contains much wisdom and insight. It would have benefited greatly from better organization and editing. Reading it is work but it is worth reading, a labor of love for the rich material to be mined. The author’s search for truth is clear, his observations are objective despite some factual errors, and his judgment sound, making it a useful model for others and a detailed account of Findhorn’s history and program.

[void]

There is, or at least was, a strong angelic presence at Findhorn.

I cannot feel that lower astrals could be responsible for certain aspects of the gardens at Findhorn.

On that side of things, the person I mention didn't refer to it as lower astral influence. Just, astral influences/connections - which connect to people through buying into belief systems such as nature spirits. Nothing sinister as 'such' in that apart from people then being caught in subtle belief systems, and he's just someone quite opposed to subtle beliefs which he feels trap people into astral influences, a phenomenon he feels is absolutely rife in the New Age scene. On another note it is interesting that you mention a slide in things, because the other person I know who was involved in Findhorn for decades is now quite dissilusioned with it for the same reasons you point out.

[alexph777]

A lot of programming in that area of Scotland. When I was in Inverness I used to attend a new age women who was an advocate of Alice Bailey and the Theosphical Society. Looking back now she was all new age and programmed. At the time there was something screaming at me to wake up, also I felt that in that area there was something trying to beam something at me. I think the whole area is being bombarded with ELF and Microwaves.

It was at a time when I was going through a bit of low self worth issues and that is the only reason why I joined the Theosphical Society (suggested by her) for a short time and attended. I wasn't impressed. When I learned the truth about Elizabeth Clare Prophet after getting bad vibes and doing some research (which this woman also asked me and others to work on at her meditation classes - St German and the voliet flame). I wouldn't have anything to do with her again.

Findhorn is a major programming and mind control center.

Looking back now I guess I really should have known better after all I already had read some of David Icke's material but I was going through some low self worth issues and being vunerable looking for people of like mind.

Although I was never really pulled in and I've never been to any mind control cults. That intuitive me or true self that will immediately see and point out 'mind control' without needing to do any research so I would never really be pulled completely in. In my case the only thing that was effected was a little embrassement and dent on my ego. But it did disturb me how when your natural defenses or slowly pulled down and you let them in how they can control and manipluate you.

However others have been deeply damaged and messed up by the new age.

And as for all these world group meditations like Fire the Grid (what happened to all that??? Have we been healed and transformed yet???) The NSA used these things to target for ELF and Microwaves to download programming. Any other future group meditation sessions like fire the grid - my advice - DON'T DO IT!!!

[hagbard_celine]

I am handicapped in that I have dial up internet which does not allow me to watch videos. However, I have been to Findhorn many times.

I do not believe anything sinister about Eileen Caddy, nor about Dorothy. Eileen encouraged people to contact 'The God Within'. I hardly see anything negative about that. Peter Caddy did seem to be capable of doing things that discredited him, but he left the community some time ago and died some years ago.

There is, or at least was, a strong angelic presence at Findhorn. I cannot feel that lower astrals could be responsible for certain aspects of the gardens at Findhorn.

I think Findhorn has gone downhill lately. Shortly after Eileen Caddy's death a group of trustees permitted the building of a large number of private houses in an ecologically sensitive area next to the Park side of the Findhorn Foundation called 'Dunelands'. I feel this has discredited the Foundation as an ecologically aware community to a very damaging degree. I do not know if it is connected, but I noted that Dorothy's name was no longer on the staff list, and I suspect she may have left as she is not sufficiently hypocritical to lecture about the nature kingdom and the elementals when something so obviously environmentally unsound has been done in Dunelands.

I feel that the shoe may well be on the other foot with Findhorn, that the place had a purity that the NWO did not like. I do not discount the possibility that it might well have been sabotaged and undermined. Greed, power and money have certainly come into the mix there of late. It is a great shame.

I was sorry to hear about Eileen Caddy's death.:( She was an amazing lady! I met many people in Findhorn who knew her. I went there for the Experience Week in 2005; so has it changed an awful lot since then?

[manx angel]

On that side of things, the person I mention didn't refer to it as lower astral influence. Just, astral influences/connections - which connect to people through buying into belief systems such as nature spirits. Nothing sinister as 'such' in that apart from people then being caught in subtle belief systems, and he's just someone quite opposed to subtle beliefs which he feels trap people into astral influences, a phenomenon he feels is absolutely rife in the New Age scene. On another note it is interesting that you mention a slide in things, because the other person I know who was involved in Findhorn for decades is now quite dissilusioned with it for the same reasons you point out.

I am interested in everyone's comments about this. I last went to Findhorn in 2006. I now no longer live in the U.K., if I did I would go up there and see what is going on.

I was disgusted to learn that they built in Dunelands and continue to build there. Horrified. The motive was profit and 'returns on investment' for the trustees. The area is very obviously prone to erosion, and it harboured wild bees and birds and also some rare form of moss, which takes a very long time to grow. When I went in 2006 there was talk about this Dunelands bit. A number of people who lived there, and in the wider community there, and guests who came on a regular basis were very angry and upset about it. I do not think it was the Foundation itself that did this, nonetheless the trustees had an affiliation with the Foundation. I make no claim to know all the details.

I heard other tales in 2006 as well. A long term member there, who had done a lot for the community, had been turned out of her house to make way for a perhaps more politically expedient newcomer.

Since I learnt that Dunelands was a done deed, which I only realized recently, I have meant to write to a few people with connections to Findhorn and find out the latest, what other negatives things are going on there, if any, and what their thoughts are, but have not yet done so. I imagine many people are as disgusted as I am.

While I think the Findhorn Foundation has always had the potential for whackiness, and has certainly gone though phases of collective whackiness, I have never got the impression that mind control, subtle or otherwise was really an agenda there. Or if it was one, it didn't work. The people who go there tend to be too diverse.

Many of the people at Findhorn definitely retain their own individual religious path, be that Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism or whatever else.

Peter Caddy was the one with the major interest in the Ascended Masters and Alice Bailey and all that. Eileen, at some point, felt the need to ban channelling at the Findhorn Foundation. She also banned the public placing of crystals. Unless that has changed recently, it was still in force. Personally I think the woman was genuine and had a lot of sense. Peter could, by the sound of it, be a complete nitwit, but she over rode him. Eileen definitely wanted people to think for themselves, and had no interest in running a cult.

Spangler? Good question. I have not ever met him, nor have I read his books.

[manx angel]

I was sorry to hear about Eileen Caddy's death.:( She was an amazing lady! I met many people in Findhorn who knew her. I went there for the Experience Week in 2005; so has it changed an awful lot since then?

Hello Hagbard,

May I just say that while I was 'lurking' here I have always enjoyed your posts.

Without looking it up I am not quite sure when she died. But it was either right at the end of 2006 or early in 2007. During that winter anyway, she had been ill for sometime, a couple of years. She was in her late eighties.

I think she was an amazing lady too, and I do not think those trustees would have dared build in Dunelands while she lived. I am afraid it does not look as if Dorothy was strong enough to stop that. When I was there in 2006 there was a lot of hope that Dorothy, as the last founding member, would come into her own and there would be a revival of interest in the nature/gardening side of Findhorn. Which has been my primary interest in it. Sadly not.

I have not been since 2006, I went there twice in 2006, last time was in November 2006, when I fancy Eileen was - just - still alive. One time I was there in 2006, and I think it was the November an ambulance was called to her. So I cannot really say. I deeply suspect so though.

Like you I had a mixed feel about Experience Week. But I liked it enough to go back and take numerous other things. I have only been on one course there, out of about 7 or 8, I would describe as poor - in spots, it was not a complete write off, but not as good as others by any means. I very much like The Transformation Game. Which, thank God, has evolved into kind of a separate entity from the Foundation, though it was conceived there.

I had once thought to move there, into the wider community. I have too many animals to move into community. But I am now glad I did not. Though if it is going down the toilet I am sad, I think the place was unique and had a lot to offer.

[manx angel]

A lot of programming in that area of Scotland. When I was in Inverness I used to attend a new age women who was an advocate of Alice Bailey and the Theosphical Society. Looking back now she was all new age and programmed. At the time there was something screaming at me to wake up, also I felt that in that area there was something trying to beam something at me. I think the whole area is being bombarded with ELF and Microwaves.

It was at a time when I was going through a bit of low self worth issues and that is the only reason why I joined the Theosphical Society (suggested by her) for a short time and attended. I wasn't impressed. When I learned the truth about Elizabeth Clare Prophet after getting bad vibes and doing some research (which this woman also asked me and others to work on at her meditation classes - St German and the voliet flame). I wouldn't have anything to do with her again.

Findhorn is a major programming and mind control center.

Looking back now I guess I really should have known better after all I already had read some of David Icke's material but I was going through some low self worth issues and being vunerable looking for people of like mind.

Although I was never really pulled in and I've never been to any mind control cults. That intuitive me or true self that will immediately see and point out 'mind control' without needing to do any research so I would never really be pulled completely in. In my case the only thing that was effected was a little embrassement and dent on my ego. But it did disturb me how when your natural defenses or slowly pulled down and you let them in how they can control and manipluate you.

However others have been deeply damaged and messed up by the new age.

And as for all these world group meditations like Fire the Grid (what happened to all that??? Have we been healed and transformed yet???) The NSA used these things to target for ELF and Microwaves to download programming. Any other future group meditation sessions like fire the grid - my advice - DON'T DO IT!!!

Hi alexph,

Interestingly enough I have a friend whose sister got all messed up by Elizabeth Clare Prophet.

I also know someone who was a care taker, for a while, many years ago, for the Theosophical Society in London. She encountered the most God awful things in that building at night. She did not last long in the job, and when she checked notes with someone else who had had the job they had seen similar things.

St Germain and ALL the so called 'Ascended Masters' I agree with you. Total bollocks. Worse than bollocks. An excuse for channelling lower 4th dimensional entities with an agenda.

I met Diana Cooper once and was deeply less than impressed. Angel Lady? Like hell! She too was full of agendas and Ascended Masters nonsense. I have not met Doreen Virtue, but suspect the same of her too.

I do not know anything about NSA or Fire the Grid. Maybe you should start a thread, if that has not already been done to inform us about this.

[nirvana]

check out our recent visit to the Findhorn community that claims to be "a spiritual community, ecovillage and an international centre for holistic education, helping to unfold a new human consciousness and create a positive and sustainable future." CLICK HERE! (http://www.doyouknowyourdead.com/?page_id=28)

Its a good idea but is only designed for people that have money. You would be chased away if you turned up skint.

[manx angel]

Its a good idea but is only designed for people that have money. You would be chased away if you turned up skint.

It did not used to be that way. And is not ALWAYS so now. The joke is that the founders were COMPLETELY broke. But it is going well down those lines, yes. The spirit is being lost, big time. Let us pray it turns around again. The Foundation has stumbled before and got up again.

[tyler]

I have had a connection with Findhorn and Kinloss since childhood. I lived on the RAF camp there for about four years and they were the happiest days of my childhood. It's a beautiful area and the sandunes were fun to play commandos in. The long deserted beaches were our playgrounds as well as the carse surrounding Findhorn Bay.
I was there when the Findhorn trio were just setting up camp in the late fifties and sixties.

I have been back a few times as an adult having read much about Caddy and Spangler and the Findhorn Foundation and was extremely disapointed with what I found there. The guy in the video epitomised the vibe of the place. Cold, unsmiling, odd, unwelcoming and patronising. As many have already said, it's a place for well off middle class types and if you are skint you had better move along!
The last time I was there was about three years ago. I wandered around the place feeling like a trespasser and saw the fancy expensive looking houses that had been built by the dunes. It felt like an upmarket,Swedish style housing development for people with lots of money.
The stuff published by the Foundation is incredibly wishy washy and politically naive or perhaps deliberately so! The bloke on the video saying that the military types next door were trying to create a peaceful world made me laugh. Tell that to all the poor, innocent Iraqi and Afghanistani children they have bombed.
I wonder how many people know that the Lucis Trust offices are in Whitehall next to the Ministry of Defence with the offices of the Royal Institute for International something or other next door in the same building. No 3. Whitehall Court. The Chatham House mob, I mean.
The Lucis Trust, (Alice Bailey) also pushes the works of Nicholas Reorich (spelling). Is he known to anybody here? A Russian mystic, I think who painted a lot of scenes in the Himalayas.
The Monthly magazine of the Lucis Trust is called The Beacon.

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The guy in the video epitomised the vibe of the place. Cold, unsmiling, odd, unwelcoming and patronising. As many have already said, it's a place for well off middle class types and if you are skint you had better move along!

Normally I don't like to decide on people from a viewing, but I must admit that I had the same kind of impression about that fella when watching the three videos. Overall, a vibe that it was a real chore for him to show people around, and it seemed that when people asked questions he went on the defensive, was minimalistic in the answers,and tried to end conversations rather quickly, rather than show any entusiasm. Slightly unwelcoming. Mind you, doing that day after day may become a bit tiresome I'd guess. Another things is that I know from other communitys that sometimes people can get that kind of impression about folks when it's just that they have become very silent and at rest within and no longer outwardly 'boom' (which is the common vibe from society living). Who knows? Could be a combination of things. Interesting that you mentioned Nicholas Roerich. One community I spent time in in another country was very much into his philosophy in action, and as I mentioned in previous posts, they had several links to Findhorn. Now you mention the Lucis trust, and I've just done some research on here and Alice Bailey. Crikey, some seriously eyebrowing raising connections there isn't it, and dot connecting going on in my mind now, and it may explain things that were going on for me in that community that were rather disturbing but 'appeared' to just be coincidence at the time.

[tyler]

I have been using the Lucis Trust library for nearly thirty years and have always found the people there very pleasant and accomodating. No bad vibes at all. Unlike the Findhorn Foundation.
Alice Bailey's books can be heavy going but they are fascinating and more high brow than Madame Blavatsky's stuff. The library is well stocked on mystic stuff and the occult. They hold regular full moon meditation meetings in a hotel above Charing Cross station.
Apparently the Lucis Trust is recognised by the UN and are the only spiritual outfit to have space in the UN building in New York.

Alice Bailey was spot on with one of her prophecies......she said there would be a revolution in communications by the turn of the century. I presume she meant the internet and mobile phones etc.
The sinister Foriegn Relations mob, Chatham House are literally in the offices next door, just down the corridor.
The United Nations Association/UK also have their HQ there.

Whitehall Court - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[hagbard_celine]

Hello Hagbard,

May I just say that while I was 'lurking' here I have always enjoyed your posts.


Thanks, Manx Angel.:)

Without looking it up I am not quite sure when she died. But it was either right at the end of 2006 or early in 2007. During that winter anyway, she had been ill for sometime, a couple of years. She was in her late eighties.

I think she was an amazing lady too, and I do not think those trustees would have dared build in Dunelands while she lived. I am afraid it does not look as if Dorothy was strong enough to stop that. When I was there in 2006 there was a lot of hope that Dorothy, as the last founding member, would come into her own and there would be a revival of interest in the nature/gardening side of Findhorn. Which has been my primary interest in it. Sadly not.

I have not been since 2006, I went there twice in 2006, last time was in November 2006, when I fancy Eileen was - just - still alive. One time I was there in 2006, and I think it was the November an ambulance was called to her. So I cannot really say. I deeply suspect so though.

Like you I had a mixed feel about Experience Week. But I liked it enough to go back and take numerous other things. I have only been on one course there, out of about 7 or 8, I would describe as poor - in spots, it was not a complete write off, but not as good as others by any means. I very much like The Transformation Game. Which, thank God, has evolved into kind of a separate entity from the Foundation, though it was conceived there.

I had once thought to move there, into the wider community. I have too many animals to move into community. But I am now glad I did not. Though if it is going down the toilet I am sad, I think the place was unique and had a lot to offer.

I used to subscribe to Caduceus magazine and they put in an obituary written by Mike Scott of the Waterboys, who lives at Findhorn. He spoke of how she faced her demise with dignity, fearlessness and even humour. At one point she even laid down in her own coffin to test it for size!

I'm still in touch with some of the people from my Experience Week but we don't communicate often. It was a strange time for me. I loved a lot of it. The food was fantastic and the environment very cheerful and easy-going most of the time. But somthing bothered me.:confused: I'm not sure what. I remember being a bit disturbed by the format of some of the gatherings. There was a lot of control over the kind of language you could use. Not swearing I mean, but one of our Experinece Week focalizers told me that I must only use the pronoun "I" when referring to myself. Idioms like "you know" and "This is good for you" were improper!:confused: Did you get anything like that?

[manx angel]

Thanks, Manx Angel.:)



I used to subscribe to Caduceus magazine and they put in an obituary written by Mike Scott of the Waterboys, who lives at Findhorn. He spoke of how she faced her demise with dignity, fearlessness and even humour. At one point she even laid down in her own coffin to test it for size!

I'm still in touch with some of the people from my Experience Week but we don't communicate often. It was a strange time for me. I loved a lot of it. The food was fantastic and the environment very cheerful and easy-going most of the time. But somthing bothered me.:confused: I'm not sure what. I remember being a bit disturbed by the format of some of the gatherings. There was a lot of control over the kind of language you could use. Not swearing I mean, but one of our Experinece Week focalizers told me that I must only use the pronoun "I" when referring to myself. Idioms like "you know" and "This is good for you" were improper!:confused: Did you get anything like that?

Hi Hagbard,

Yes I know they are big on that 'I' statement thing there in speech. It can get tedious. Sometimes it makes sense, but they can go over the top with it.

My biggest problem on Experience Week is that I found it hard not having space. I am in my late forties, early forties at the time, but I am used to living on my own, and am rather reclusive. I liked my room mate, but I found it a bit tough having one at all. Also the lack of 'downtime' on any Findhorn Foundation course I consistently find hard.

One supper time near the end of my Experience Week I had had a distressing call from a friend. A dead feral kitten had been found in my garden at home, and also a number of live ones which a neighbour was threatening to 'brick' (Crudely seeing this as a 'kindness; ' farm village.) as they seemed to be abandoned by their mother. I had also found the business of going to that Randolph's Leap place on the Findhorn River where there are a lot of nature energies very intense. We had done that in the afternoon of the day. With another lady I had seen a number of odd things and it turned out there were even odder things on our film when we developed out pictures.

I asked to back out of an evening activity to try to think of a solution for the kittens until I got back, and also to process the quite intense psychic impressions I had had at the river. One of the focalizers got very sniffy with me about it. I just firmly insisted, in the end, but she was quite funny with me afterwards. My feeling about this was, this was my holiday, I was paying for this, and I do not appreciate being made to feel like a school girl at my age. Also my mind was just not on the activity, some sort of meditation, so really they were better off without my distracted energy and participation.

I doubt I would go again now, because I am now so damned annoyed about the building in Dunelands. But I just got used to taking the Findhorn Foundation as a mixed bag. In all but one course I at least 75% enjoyed myself, usually more like 90%. I also have met a lot of nice people who both live there or were guests, and have stayed in touch with a few.

I wish I could see these videos on here. Dial up won't let me.

[hagbard_celine]

Hi Hagbard,

Yes I know they are big on that 'I' statement thing there in speech. It can get tedious. Sometimes it makes sense, but they can go over the top with it.

My biggest problem on Experience Week is that I found it hard not having space. I am in my late forties, early forties at the time, but I am used to living on my own, and am rather reclusive. I liked my room mate, but I found it a bit tough having one at all. Also the lack of 'downtime' on any Findhorn Foundation course I consistently find hard.

One supper time near the end of my Experience Week I had had a distressing call from a friend. A dead feral kitten had been found in my garden at home, and also a number of live ones which a neighbour was threatening to 'brick' (Crudely seeing this as a 'kindness; ' farm village.) as they seemed to be abandoned by their mother. I had also found the business of going to that Randolph's Leap place on the Findhorn River where there are a lot of nature energies very intense. We had done that in the afternoon of the day. With another lady I had seen a number of odd things and it turned out there were even odder things on our film when we developed out pictures.

I asked to back out of an evening activity to try to think of a solution for the kittens until I got back, and also to process the quite intense psychic impressions I had had at the river. One of the focalizers got very sniffy with me about it. I just firmly insisted, in the end, but she was quite funny with me afterwards. My feeling about this was, this was my holiday, I was paying for this, and I do not appreciate being made to feel like a school girl at my age. Also my mind was just not on the activity, some sort of meditation, so really they were better off without my distracted energy and participation.

I doubt I would go again now, because I am now so damned annoyed about the building in Dunelands. But I just got used to taking the Findhorn Foundation as a mixed bag. In all but one course I at least 75% enjoyed myself, usually more like 90%. I also have met a lot of nice people who both live there or were guests, and have stayed in touch with a few.

I wish I could see these videos on here. Dial up won't let me.

Hi Manx Angel.

It's very interesting that you saw odd things around Randolph's Leap. I remember that trip there very well and the place does have a very psychic feeling to it. The river is beutiful, although I nearly got stranded by the confluence with the other river that comes in from the right. Luckily a salmon fisherman showed me the way back!:o

I'm sorry you suffered this concern during your experience week. It annoys me too that the focalizers reacted the way they did. But then that's in line with the Findhorn attitude. They're a bit escapist! In Findhorn you're supposed to close yourself off in this cocoon of joy and tranqulity; the forcalizer probably took offence at you reminding her that the outside world actually does exist!

The obsessive insistance on I-statements bothered me a lot and I said so at the end in my comments box on my report form. It reminds me of Orwellian language control!:eek: Because of the glorious subtlties of the English language it is possible to talk about yourself while using the second and third person pronouns. If I'd known that they meant "I" so literally I'd have spoken out about it at the beginning of the week.

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My biggest problem on Experience Week is that I found it hard not having space. I am in my late forties, early forties at the time, but I am used to living on my own, and am rather reclusive. I liked my room mate, but I found it a bit tough having one at all. Also the lack of 'downtime' on any Findhorn Foundation course I consistently find hard.

Yeah I can relate to that, from another similar experience elsewhere. Only when I was there did I realize how much I cherished and took for granted the ability to just finish up work, wash my hands of it all, go home and shut the door and be alone. In the place I went, this never really occured to the same level. There was no such thing as work 'and' downtime, as such. There were merely temporary breaks in the work, but you felt constantly that you were on call in a way (and you were). You were residing in your actual place of work, like a school teacher just hunkering down under the classroom desk until the next morning. Any moment they could have needed people to do something at any hour, and the lack of privacy started to get to me eventually. But that's the price of communal living, I guess :o

[caz111]

CIFAL Findhorn; the first UN Training Centre in Northern Europe.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:M2RcJ8tyIXYJ:www.socialeconomyscotl and.info/scvo/content/forms/download_file.asp%3Fdocid%3D208

SUSTAINABLE ENERGY SOLUTIONS
11 – 13th November 2006 - Findhorn Ecovillage & Moray College UHI
Climate change and declining oil production are two of the main threats we must
now boldly and creatively face. This event, marking the launch of CIFAL Findhorn -
the first UN Training Centre in Northern Europe - will offer a comprehensive
introduction to renewable energy technologies; an outline of the basic principles of
solar electricity, solar water heating, wind power, micro-hydro, biomass and other
options and their application in urban and rural environments; a learning
environment to explore how to achieve the right balance between waste
minimisation and energy use.

[caz111]

What's more, CIFAL is a public/private partnership. Therefore Findhorn is too, being part of CIFAL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIFAL

CIFAL

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The CIFAL Network, which is comprised of several associated CIFAL Centres, forms a key part of the work of the United Nations Institute for Training and Research (UNITAR)'s Decentralized Cooperation Programme (DCP). This programme provides trainings aimed at implementing international conventions and achieving the UN's Millennium Development Goals.

The acronym CIFAL signifies "International Training Centre for Local Authorities/Actors" (Centre International de Formation des Autorités/Acteurs Locaux). Each CIFAL Centre is a hub for capacity building and knowledge sharing between local and regional authorities, national governments, international organisations, the private sector and civil society. The main objective of these training activities is to enhance local public services and achieve sustainable urbanisation, especially through the activities of local authorities.

The first CIFAL Centre was inaugurated in 2000. Two years later, at the World Summit on Sustainable Development in Johannesburg the DCP launched a new partnership initiative called: "Reinforcement of Local Capacities and Training for Sustainable Urbanization: a Public-Private Partnership" which set out the framework for future centres. Among the partners that jointly developed and presented this initiative were UN-HABITAT, the World Association of Cities and Local Authorities Coordination, the Global Ecovillage Network, and Veolia Environment.

In 2003 three further CIFAL Centres were launched. There are currently (2006) twelve such centres world-wide in Atlanta (USA), Barcelona & Bilbao (Spain), Curitiba (Brazil), Findhorn (Scotland) Lyon (France), Durban (South Africa), Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia), Ouagadougou (Burkina Faso), Płock (Poland), Shanghai (China) and Tallinn (Estonia).

To complement the training sessions the CIFALWEB, an online tool for knowledge sharing and project follow-up, has been created. This is an electronic platform which aims to support the partners in decision-making and the exchange of best practices.

[hagbard_celine]

Caz111, that puts an interesting new spin on the matter. Thanks:)

I also read that Peter Caddy was a Rosicrucian:

Peter Caddy (March 20, 1917—February 18, 1994) was a British caterer, hotelier, and founder of the Findhorn Foundation community.

Educated at Harrow, he apprenticed as a director with J. Lyons and Company, and was a member of the Rosicrucian Order Crotona Fellowship. On the outbreak of the Second World War he was commissioned as an officer with the Catering Branch of the Royal Air Force, where he served from 1940 until 1955. From 1957 until 1961 he was manager of the Cluny Hill Hotel near Forres, Scotland.

During a period of unemployment from 1962 onwards, Peter Caddy began experimenting with Organic gardening to supplement his family's food supply. The garden near Findhorn, Scotland, flourished to such a remarkable extent that it eventually attracted national attention. Peter Caddy attributed its success to his spiritual practices, and a community began to form around his family and their friend Dorothy Maclean.

In 1979 Peter Caddy left the community he had founded. He died in a car crash in Germany in 1994.
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Caddy)

[caz111]

There is a very murky story behind Findhorn......what concerns me is that Teens and Toddlers is a programme in UK schools... expanding....and they are associated with The Psychosynthesis Education Trust....

Both Teens and Toddlers and The Psychosynthesis Trust are very involved with Findhorn.......

www.teensandtoddlers.org/biographies.htm - 7k

and Teens and Toddlers are a part of COUI.

www.children-ourinvestment.org

They also run 'Project Caressing'......

coming to Academy Schools?

[caz111]

More on the Findhorn Foundation at this location;

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=124623#124623