Is Bipolar Mania Spiritual Enlightenment?

[montag]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYBijRVbeHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miYFNm4sGy8&feature=related

http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/

[drael]

Unfortunately im on dial-up so cant get the vids. But the blogspot looks interesting.

In my experience pychosis and schizophrenia are awakening. Possibly bi-polar too. I seriously doubt the existance of any "real" mental illness, which to me, is just the ancient mystic experience, the basis of religion and mythology.

[montag]

My first serious relationship a long time a go ended with my girlfriend having what was diagnosed as acute psychosis. This lady set me on my spiritual path and opened my eyes to many things I would never have thought possible before(I would have been classed as an atheist when we met).

To cut a long story short she went through what I would now recognize as enlightenment or illumination of some sort. Sadly though at the time this wasn't understood and she was dragged off to hospital, locked up and heavily medicated. The doctors at the hospital told me the best thing for me to do for her was to move and get on with my own life. Being only young at the time I reluctantly took their advise and moved on.

I saw her again a year or so later and the lady I once knew had been replaced by this drugged up caricature of her former self, very sad it was like someone had turned her light off, all that was left was her shell.

[drael]

To cut a long story short she went through what I would now recognize as enlightenment or illumination of some sort. Sadly though at the time this wasn't understood and she was dragged off to hospital, locked up and heavily medicated. The doctors at the hospital told me the best thing for me to do for her was to move and get on with my own life. Being only young at the time I reluctantly took their advise and moved on.

I saw her again a year or so later and the lady I once knew had been replaced by this drugged up caricature of her former self, very sad it was like someone had turned her light off, all that was left was her shell.

Thats very sad. And your first serious relationship also? That must have been hard....I am sorry freind..

I was diagnosed with "psychosis", They tried giving me stigma and keeping me on the meds but i was lucky enough to see through it, and trust my inner over all else. (although i still have my scars to heal from, over the experience there). The meds are aweful, anyone with vision will call it poison, as all "mentally ill" do with their medicines. Seeing what the system does to these new visionaries is ,well, more than heart rending. I had to walk away from quite a few that i met and could of helped because the system had them. It still makes me sad thinking about all the suffering caused.

I can only hope, one day all that madness, they call psychiatry and DSM-IV will end.

In that spirit, heres a few of my poems i wrote "in there"...

DSM-IV i adore thee,
praise in the highest,
godhead i adore thee,
Four of five?
God demands I name thee satan,
a force misunderstood and blamed
What of this creature not named in my holy scripture?
You must be the evilist devil of all,
I proclaim war of thee satan,
Knowing somewhere deep inside,
You are a test sent by my god,
DSM-IV

Bi-polar disorder
Divine Blood
Schizophrenia
Christ conciousness
Disordered thinking
Awakening, prana, chi, dawn
Symptom,
Nature
One name always has another
One truth alwasy holds two
Open your heart and mind to the new...

[armoured_amazon]

No.

Seeing all biochemical disorders as 'enlightenment' is not advisable, imo.

[drael]

A totally common assertion. Note that implicit in your words "biochemical" and "disorder" are two assumptions. There is only some "real" biological connection with bi polar, not any other mental illnesses. As for disorder, depends on what u consider order and ur understanding of what these processes are.

I think if the word disorder was the central concept, id have to say that the whole world is totally mad. On that basis everyone on the "outside" should be "inside".

Have u been through it? Where does this "knowledge" come from?

[cruise4]

No, its just another way of inventing an apparent condition so that pharma can sell you more drugs. The 'victim' then personally identifies with his perceived 'diagnosis' and fights for their own personality destruction.

[montag]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9SCgaeKdc&eurl=http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFxmCBHffII&eurl=http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJg87mLn4EI&eurl=http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/

[lizzy]

No, I was married to a severe bi-polar manic depressive for 17yrs...during that time he had 3 pyschotic breaks , and on a locked ward. I stayed in the marriage b/c his parents were wonderful people and he loved his children , he took his meds but also self medicated with alcohol, alot of it.
The kids came through ok, I did'nt LOL.
Sorry montag, no awakening there and not b/c of the alcohol either I believe.

I appreciated your story and I have lived it. It was'nt pretty.

[montag]

No, I was married to a severe bi-polar manic depressive for 17yrs...during that time he had 3 pyschotic breaks , and on a locked ward. I stayed in the marriage b/c his parents were wonderful people and he loved his children , he took his meds but also self medicated with alcohol, alot of it.
The kids are great but I got fucked up, LOL.
Sorry montag, no awakening there and not b/c of the alcohol either I believe.

I appreciated your story and I have lived it.
Under different circumstances without the right support it's possible to imagine David Icke could have been have been diagnosed with some sort of mental illness and hospitalized when he went through his awakening. In fact many now would still consider him and most of us here mentally ill for some of the views we hold.

The guy in the vid isn't saying that everybody who is diagnosed with this disorder is having an awakening, what is saying though is that there is many people who are having a spiritual awakening or spiritual crisis and that these people need assistance from people who have an understanding of this not from psychiatrists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlRO0P7yXs

[je_suis_eveille]

The guy in the vid isn't saying that everybody who is diagnosed with this disorder is having an awakening, what is saying though is that there is many people who are having a spiritual awakening or spiritual crisis and that these people need assistance from people who have an understanding of this not from psychiatrists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlRO0P7yXs

I agree.

Many people are unknowingly psychically connected to the lower frequencies, I will call those lower frequencies the "underworld" .

In this frequency you will hear things such as 'humming',(a deep "voice" doing this) and even evil laughter and heavy breathing.

It is easier to connect to the "underworld" than it is to be connected to higher frequencies, as this takes more effort in this dimension.

In the past, I would often heard voices just before falling alseep, the voices were a two way conversation. It was like my mind was an antennae, picking up conversations from mobile phones. I would also hear "something" trying to say "hello" to me while I tried to fall alseep but warped (like an old transistor radio).

[drael]

No, I was married to a severe bi-polar manic depressive for 17yrs...during that time he had 3 pyschotic breaks , and on a locked ward. I stayed in the marriage b/c his parents were wonderful people and he loved his children , he took his meds

Well theres one of the problems, he was taking meds to inhibit the process. Cant experience awakening on these drugs. Did he have alot of negative influences or bad events around him? People telling he was mad? I imagine being in lock-up isnt too good for the soul! Negativity and negative history also inhibits, as well as people that deny your reality/experiences. For many people its hard to "get through" because of these things (the "treatment", outside attitudes and negative energies). And without some kind of practice in mindfulness, u dont have a hope in getting through as well. So enviroment, treatment and certain techniques and conditions are required to "get through" easily without these things u can get "stuck". This is very sad to me, that people can be helped but are instead hurt as a treatment. I am sorry u got caught up in that!

but also self medicated with alcohol, alot of it.

This on the other hand is good. Alcohol and other drugs increase the visonary state and insight. Meditation is better however because its not external. People with mental illness instinctively know what increases their experience and is good for them ie drugs, and whats doesnt ie "medicine" which is usually named "poison".

Anyway, so it goes. Strange stuff to try and explain to others, no doubt this kind of thing "isnt what u want to hear" too... But it is very important to me, to let people know what we feel, what our experience is and what suffering is caused unduly. The pain is very real for all parties in this situation. I really do hope u find peace sister!

It is easier to connect to the "underworld" than it is to be connected to higher frequencies, as this takes more effort in this dimension.

In the past, I would often heard voices just before falling alseep, the voices were a two way conversation. It was like my mind was an antennae, picking up conversations from mobile phones. I would also hear "something" trying to say "hello" to me while I tried to fall alseep but warped (like an old transistor radio).

Thats about right. One needs to "tune" to get past the energies of other people and outside negative thought, to become "in control" of your internal feelings. Best way to start, is to eliminate these energies from u, to isolate urself to pure love and positivity, turn off the tv etc. Then mindfulness or meditation is the trick, like training a new muscle or eye. Then u can "turn it off". Esoteric knowledge helps here as well. Keep it light freind :)

[lizzy]

Under different circumstances without the right support it's possible to imagine David Icke could have been have been diagnosed with some sort of mental illness and hospitalized when he went through his awakening. In fact many now would still consider him and most of us here mentally ill for some of the views we hold.

The guy in the vid isn't saying that everybody who is diagnosed with this disorder is having an awakening, what is saying though is that there is many people who are having a spiritual awakening or spiritual crisis and that these people need assistance from people who have an understanding of this not from psychiatrists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlRO0P7yXs

thankyou montag, I was referring mainly to your old friends' illness and how she was afterwards. You see when my ex came out off the psyche ward he would be heavily sedated for several weeks / months.

In regard to the vid, I am an extremely strong proponant against chemical intervention / abuse of SSRI's in particular. Big pharma wants everyone taking their soul destroying poison. They are giving them to 3 yr olds now. Schools are being financially rewarded for identifying and forcefully demanding students take these 'meds"...The evil behind their lust for profit with an agenda to create individual and social dysfunction is the real psyhcopathic mind at work. My disgust is beyond words. It is the most insidious way of underming ,unravelling and "controlling" of us. They are at the cause of 90% the school shootings.

Unfortunately I have had experience with this as well. I was prescribed them 10 yrs ago and had an adverse experience.

It is actually part of the Elites agenda of slow genocide over the next 100+yrs to cull world population and always at a profit.

[armoured_amazon]

A totally common assertion. Note that implicit in your words "biochemical" and "disorder" are two assumptions. There is only some "real" biological connection with bi polar, not any other mental illnesses. As for disorder, depends on what u consider order and ur understanding of what these processes are.

I think if the word disorder was the central concept, id have to say that the whole world is totally mad. On that basis everyone on the "outside" should be "inside".

Have u been through it? Where does this "knowledge" come from?

It would take far too long to share my 'knowledge' with you. Do I have a leg to stand on in my statement? YES.

I take it you would have the same opinion of a visible physical ailment, like a broken bone? Leave it alone, don't treat it. It's just awakening!!!!

You forget that the brain MAY be a spiritual vessel but it is also a PHYSICAL organ. To deny someone treatment is WICKED! Just because in your case (you opine) that you were not psychotic, that does not mean every instance of psychosis or chemical trauma is an 'awakening'. Man, some people who claim to be awake don't even realise they're tucked up in bed, snoring away and DREAMING they're awake.

You're no better than a JW refusing treatment for a sick child if you take that stance.

[montag]

I take it you would have the same opinion of a visible physical ailment, like a broken bone? Leave it alone, don't treat it. It's just awakening!!!!
You haven't even looked in to what this guy is talking about. He has at no point suggested that people should stop treatment, but instead should seek counseling with people who see these type of problems as they really are ie. spiritual crises/awakening and deal with the problem from that angle rather than drugging the person to mask the symptoms with no cure in sight. It's like your analogy of the broken leg, the doctor say's don't worry about setting the broken bone, just take these pain killers for the rest of your life then you won't feel a thing.

I suggest if you want to continue in this discussion at least look in to some of the information I've presented here by this guy..

To deny someone treatment is WICKED!
There you go again, at no stage has this gentlemen ever suggested anybody should go untreated. He's suggesting they should get off the meds.. Watch his videos.

It would take far too long to share my 'knowledge' with you.
I've got all night..:)

[lumukanda]

it's an interesting question, there's a homeless man who lives behind the service station across the road from my house, every now and then he'll go into these rages, shouting at someone who's not there, kicking and punching, this can carry on for hours sometimes.
i don't know who he's fighting, maybe himself, maybe his past, but i have wondered sometimes if he isn't maybe fighting something else, maybe his psychosis is related to shamanism.
mutwa says that every shaman has an illness, it's his intitiation, sometimes it's physical (like mutwa) and sometimes it's mental, he says unless you fight it, face it, it will destroy you.
i often wonder how many modern day shamans are locked up in asylums across the world and how many wander the streets as hobos and drunks.

[armoured_amazon]

I've got all night..:)

As I was tired when I posted that, I forgot to add: "...and I do not owe strangers intimate details."

;)

[limelady]

I don't wish to undermine what others have said here, but some forms of psychosis, depressions and what presents as bi-polar disorder are simply physical ailments that can quite easily be treated (reversed) with strong nutients. I have seen people become 'mentally' healthy again very quickly when their brain gets what it needs.

The human brain is very nutrient-hungry, and cannot funtion correctly if it is starved of what it needs. Many lifestyle choice inhibit ideal absorbtsion of dietary nutrients, and many diets are very deficient of nutrients to start with.

People always look at me funny when I suggest strong nutrition for a seemingly mental problem, as they cannot comprehend how something as simple as a few vitamins can turn a persons life around, but it can and does.

It saddens me that many people are taking anti-psychotic drugs, when a simple course of folic acid, B vitamins, (+ nacin and and B12) can completely reverse the symptoms within just mere days.

[armoured_amazon]

I don't wish to undermine what others have said here, but some forms of psychosis, depressions and what presents as bi-polar disorder are simply physical ailments that can quite easily be treated (reversed) with strong nutients. I have seen people become 'mentally' healthy again very quickly when their brain gets what it needs.

The human brain is very nutrient-hungry, and cannot funtion correctly if it is starved of what it needs. Many lifestyle choice inhibit ideal absorbtsion of dietary nutrients, and many diets are very deficient of nutrients to start with.

People always look at me funny when I suggest strong nutrition for a seemingly mental problem, as they cannot comprehend how something as simple as a few vitamins can turn a persons life around, but it can and does.

It saddens me that many people are taking anti-psychotic drugs, when a simple course of folic acid, B vitamins, (+ nacin and and B12) can completely reverse the symptoms within just mere days.

I agree! :)

While there are many occasions that mental sickness can be attributed to something in the non-physical, I think that a lot of cases are physical and treatable.

[drael]

I take it you would have the same opinion of a visible physical ailment, like a broken bone? Leave it alone, don't treat it. It's just awakening!!!!

Of course not. That ridiculous. Awakening is essentially like the healing of that broken bone, and the treatment offered at the moment maintains the brokeness of the bone (the ego delusion state). As pointed out above.

When the "process" of what "mental illness" _is_, is not understood by science (yes im just about to complete my psych degree - the theory is very floaty indeed), how can they claim that their cure, which _statistically_ doesnt work has any merit at all?

its like primative people that used to drill a hole in peoples head to let the demons out. Ridiculous, superstitous, and transparently so.

You forget that the brain MAY be a spiritual vessel but it is also a PHYSICAL organ. To deny someone treatment is WICKED! Just because in your case (you opine) that you were not psychotic, that does not mean every instance of psychosis or chemical trauma is an 'awakening'.

Treatment is exactly what i am suggesting, instead of a superstitous and ridiculous 'brain drilling" type excercise. This is the begining of function in the human mind, the dysfunction is in "sane" people - that is the illness.

This is what I would want to cure, so called "sanity" which is the most dysfunctional state of all. Do u think jesus when he got up on that cross was thinking, what about my ferarri, oww this is gonna hurt, etc. No, he loved it - he wanted to give healing to others. That is the truth we all seek sister, the dissolution of "ego" of the concept of self which is the source of all suffering. Without ego, without materialism, without these illusions, we are interconnected superbeings, happy, wise and balanced -we are one, it is eden. The problem is for people without an experience of this kind of conciousness, is that the "demons" come out when u start awakening. At first u have to cleanse urself of all the poison of the world. People dont like seeing themselves in a mirror, when this cleansing comes out so rather than help the cleansing occur safely, the lock all the new visionaries up, and drug them till their "normal" again. Seriously, u cant smell "satan" at work here? A force - psychiatry, that forces on us, a concept of self, selfish desire, materialism etc? I mean if there werent religion ud prolly be considered insane for beleiving in a "god".


I would ask u to read and reveiw more material on this matter before making ur mind up.

Heres a start for u from a jungian psychologists perspective (which IMO is good therapy). There is also mindfulness and "hearing voices" therapies which are both effective (the former is a must IMO). Mindfulness is pretty new to modern psych, but "hearing voices", is gaining in popularity (but not yet in mental hospitals which are generally VERY old school and pure medical model). The jungian perspective is one of the best perspectives on it, but jungian psychologists are pretty rare too these days.

There are good therapies. They just arent well known enough yet. People are so stubborn when they think they "know" something, even when that has no basis. This is why change takes so long, because people are like clams on a rock. Anyway, heres that link:

http://home.tiscali.de/alex.sk/mirror/dream.html

And on the other topic of diet:

While i dont see "mental illness" as an illness at all, diet is important. When i experienced my awakening, i had very specific food needs. I ate a small amount of nuts and chocolate when i felt low (mainly because i was in a mental hospital, wouldnt have needed this otherwise), and the rest of the time healthy mood-foods, like chicken, fish, bananas and veges. Also eating is a very important process as a ritual, it slows ones ego thoughts down.

[lateral_v]

I've had a history of depression and mania since a very young age......the one minute I'd be ecstatic and the next I would cry at the drop of a hat....very emotional.. I had a really hard childhood, one that I would never want to repeat, I was a top student, good marks, very good in sports but incredibly withdrawn and unhappy.....a real loner....

I've been on meds on numerous occasions, I've had some horrible experiences and have done some horrible things to myself, and was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. And was prescribed some antideppresants and mood stabalizers, as I was told that the way I think wasn't normal...

And I tell you the first time I felt like I was being cured was when I moved to the coast, Cape Town, I was born there, but just feeling the beauty gave me so much appreciation, I ditched those god damned pills and I started taking my inward journey..... It is so true what limelady says..... nutrients is very important, and exercise!! Remember when we exersize our brain releases serotonin, your feel good hormone....
I started doing muay thai there in CT and it changed my life drastically.... I still had the highs and lows of this so called mental disorder of mine....but I dealt with it so much better without feeling like I was being suppressed or turning into a completed space cadet!!

Unfortunately I was in an accident and hurt my knee very badly, this sent me back to where I'm currently at, so no more Muay Thai (And at a stage that was very discouraging to me, as I wanted to open my own dojo one day),

Everything happens for a reason and yes I know that my ego was more attached to MT than my spirit was.....Louis L Hay said once that any problems with your knees are related to your ego, and a problem with authority.............lol :D I have torn both ligaments in both knees...:mad:
but I'm gonna give Thai Chi a Try....


Another thing that is important is to watch your thoughts!! This is difficult I know....but S:eek::eek: important.........when you make a habit of this, you'll realise how many of those thoughts are implanted.....

Bear in mind as well the environment that you are in, especially the working surroundings, negativity can rub off, and before you know you become negative and attract negative experiences and people towards you......this is the law of attraction, then you become depressed and get locked up in a vicious circle....

I truly feel more and more awakened and enlightened by the day....but it takes work,, and it REALLY IS HARD to work through my stuff sometimes.......some people try to go with the flow while others fight it......

My brother in law was told that he was either bi-polar of manic, he was sent to an asylum two weeks ago......I phoned him the one day to hear how things were going and he said that they gave him all sorts of different pills everyday, 3 times a day he received his little cup....this he said they did to see which pills would work on him....he was there for two weeks, was only supposed to be there for a week, when my sis went to go fetch him the first time he was completely out of it, introducing her to people three times in a row.... There is no quick fix pill that's gonna fix you......ANd how the hell exactly would these psychiatrists be able to tell which pills would be suitable for him, if they don't even give enough time for the previous cocktail to work out of his system. When he got back home he was fried and very unstable
If you ask me, he was a guinea pig.... bare in mind all these doc's have shares in this hospital....it's sickening... :mad:

There are other ways of dealing with these so called disorders, and I feel that people are being screwed up, remember, O'Brien and Winston from 1984 - George Orwell? The part where O'Brien tortured Winston into changing his way of thinking? And yes I have also read about sangoma's & shamans initiations, all the symptoms that they had.......and I have most of them!!!
I believe in the ascension as well, and I can't wait to "leave behing this place so negative blind and cynical...."

What I'm basically trying to say is, when there is a discomfort of some sort, be it physical or mental, it is much better to get acquainted with the cause and work with that, than it is to treat the symptoms with some drug that is most probably not there for your wellbeing.....

Remember nature has its own beautiful way and your body has the ability to cure itself.....:p

[lateral_v]

Here is an extract from You Forever - Lobsang T Rampa (I've read this morning)

Gave this whole topic a new perspective....

"As already stated, a human is centred within the egg - shape covering - centred within the aura, and that is the normal position for most people, the average, healthy person. When a person has a mental illness, he or she is not properly centred. Many people have said, "I feel out of myself today." That may well be the case, a person may be projecting at an angle inside the ovoid. People who are of dual personality are completely different from the average, they may have half the aura of one colour, and half of a completely different colour pattern. They may - if their dual personality is marked - have an aura which is not just one - egg shaped, but has two eggs joined together at an angle to each other. Mental illness should not be treated so lightly. Shock treatment can be a very dangerous thing because it can drive the astral (we shall deal with this later) straight out of the body. But in the main shock treatment is designed (consciously or unconsciously!) to shock the two "eggs" into one. Often it just "burns out" neural patterns in the brain.

We are born with certain potentialities, certain limits as to the colouring of our auras, the frequency of our vibrations and other things, and it is thus possible for a determined, well - intentioned person to alter his or her aura for the better. Sadly, it is much easier to alter it for the worse! Socrates, to take one example, knew that he would be a good murderer, but he was not going to give in to the blows of fate and so he took steps to alter his path through life. Instead of becoming a murderer, Socrates became the wisest man of his age. "
So then a person that is reaching spiritual enligtment but is not centered will have two egg? I am defnitely stilll quite someway from being balanced, yet as I've said before I'm working on it, and the dualty of my experiences have deminished greatly.....

Personnelly I think alot of people are unbalanced, yet, our ego hides these dark aspects of our personnality, which is our shadow self.. I think enlighment happens when a person is aware of these qualities within themselves, obviously misunderstood by most, as knowledge in phychiatry have been passed down over the ages....

When a person starts to awaken it is alot more easy for that person to become unbalanced, as they are more open and volnurable to being sidetracked, it's like David Wilcock has said, unconditional love (4th chakra similiar to 4th dimention) without wisdom is dangerous because one can be much easily manipulated, and so it is with wisdom, the 5th chakra (5th dimension) if you are inbalanced in your 4th chakra and your 5th chakra is awakening you can easily fall into the whole ego pit, and if you think of the 5th dimension entities that are currently manipulating the 3rd (earth) it makes it quite understandable. The 6th chakra (third eye) is the place where wisdom and unconditional love meets.... What is wisdom if it cannot be applied? And I'd say that this is where balance is reached....
This could be then compared to the 6th dimension. I think with work and discipline, and through practicing metods of awakening the chi and balacing it within the body through the base chakra's upwards....

I think Icke had a very sudden awakening, as he said on Wogan he was Godsmacked, and I mena the mere fact that people laghed at him and made fun of him for years obviously indicate that many thought he had lost it....

Awekening differs for all of us as we are all are unique, I defninetly think that this is the cause to most mental illnesses it it defnitely has alot to do with external interferances(ego) as well, I think what makes some people seem mental is when the ego and the soul play's a kind of tug of war with each other.... It is therfor the individual's responsibility to balance his\her self by aligning the mind and heart with each other, so that intuition leads the mind and not the other way around

I'm no expert on this but I just thought I'd share my idea regarding this topic :)

[drael]

I totally agree with what uve shared here. I have found all sorts of spiritual methods much more useful than any psychology or medicinal veiw. Im just so glad to be on the straight path out of ego (insanity) and into divinity and love - my psychic pain is less each day rather than that slow and silly spiral path.

I agree that most people "hide" or pretend with their pain, which is what ego or "sanity" actually is, hiding from pain. To know, experience and accept all owns "pain" as learning and good, a part of bliss, is the healing of gnosis/awakening. To simply release what is false.

These are exciting times for me, getting now closer to important releases that will balance me out in day to day life. And for the world in general for being so close now to agknowledging its own pain - the awakening/2012 feels very real.

I thank u for sharing ur story brother, it is always a joy to hear another version of our story :)

So blessings of light and truth to you freind!

I just tried slowing down now. Just take everything at my own pace. No panic, its all a game. Breath, smile, look around and let go. If u feel like takes u too fast, just try slowing down. U only need "god", nothing else. Tai chi would be great for this sort of chilling down, always wanted to do that! Ive decided that "anxiety" would probably be a better description of most peoples problems, and the sort of things that come out in awakening. Its a background fear that stems from a sort of physical tension associated with physical pain? (like we are conditioned to associate sensations to negativity, and then desire based emotions from that). We worry first that we might experience "physical pain" or harm. This worry then extends to social pressures, family influences etc, which is where ur being effected by things like work come in (and me study) - because u "have" to act a certain way - we are in a sense in fear by responding to this, rather than seeing it as a game. I find being non-confromist, like pounding ur chest like and ape and singing etc, even in private quite therapuetic for this social aspect. And laughing at the funniness of it all! Remember ur smarter than them! ur a star, divine, god! And they choose it, so it isnt even sad more funny!! :)

Theres some kundalini excercises (like the chest pounding) here, which look very good for all this stuff - ive been breathing through by solus plexus which is really good - and really good advice on different phases and the physical side (energy, stillness, warm, cold etc). Dont know about the raw foods thing though! (maybe thats right, but i just eat what feels good for me)

http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=KundaliniPracticeSkillsList

Im already smiling so much people are noticing my light. One day ill be the cheshire cat!

And re: icke, yes his was sudden for sure :) Be interesting to see where his writing goes from here...

Much love and respect brother,
Drael

[lateral_v]

:p You are more than welcome dreal!! I'm just as glad :D

And it's sister.......my brother.. :D

May the force be with you!!!

Lots of love and blessing

Lateral

:p

[drael]

Oh sorry sister! i should prolly use freind on the internet more than gender based equalities....

[lateral_v]

Oh sorry sister! i should prolly use freind on the internet more than gender based equalities....


No worries my friend.....ur not the first one to do so.... he he....:D

:p :) :D

[lateral_v]

Btw thanx for the link drael, I've actally checked it out from you previous posts, very interresting, alot to digest...... :)

You should give Tai chi a go if you like... :p I started doing very basic forms just recently and you'd be amazed at how wonderful and tingly & calm you feel doing those movements, and it's simple.. :p it is obviously highly effective if you have the music to acompany it. I think you'd be able to find it (tai chi music) in health pharmacies especially those selling natural and homeopathic meds. the dvd I've got is called Infinite Tai Chi for health can't recall by whom, in this you learn to use the elementals air,fire,water&earth to balance the yin & yang energies..

Have Fun!!

Love and Light



:p

[psychicdefender]

"The secret to my enlightenment? Controlled schizophrenia." Murshid Sam.

"As many as 25-30 percent of all institutionalized schizophrenics are actually undergoing some form of Kundalini awakening." Kundalini Tantra, Bihar Yoga Trust.

Just two quotes from 'enlightened' sources.

My opinion is that we need to start 'treating' (through spiritual understanding and practice) the causes and not just stopping the symptoms with drugs. I have been of this conviction since way before my teens, I live with someone who has a lot of 'problems', they are one of the nicest people you can meet, God knows how wonderful they could have been.... :(

[astralburger]

I had a job dealing with mentally ill homeless people, and the majority of them were very spiritual and I'd say that I could carry on a more meaningful conversation with more than half of them versus some of the trained dolts whom I went to school with.

From my view, mental imbalances are like altered states and from any altered state on can more easily see through the concensus reality for what it is - illusory made definite through agreement of terms.

[lost_in_translation]

My first serious relationship a long time a go ended with my girlfriend having what was diagnosed as acute psychosis. This lady set me on my spiritual path and opened my eyes to many things I would never have thought possible before(I would have been classed as an atheist when we met).

To cut a long story short she went through what I would now recognize as enlightenment or illumination of some sort. Sadly though at the time this wasn't understood and she was dragged off to hospital, locked up and heavily medicated. The doctors at the hospital told me the best thing for me to do for her was to move and get on with my own life. Being only young at the time I reluctantly took their advise and moved on.

I saw her again a year or so later and the lady I once knew had been replaced by this drugged up caricature of her former self, very sad it was like someone had turned her light off, all that was left was her shell.

I guess thats what they do to people that are getting close to the truth. call them crazy and lock them up. . away from the masses. medicate so the doctors can control the mind. but I guess that is what happens when you try to "wake up" the wrong person. people that are enlightened about the world need to be careful who they approach and try to talk to. like I have said before when you try to wake someone up who is content with being asleep. they sometimes get angry. I have learned long ago that when a doctor classifies someone with a mental illness then its more than likely a lie..who are we to say whats wrong or right. what gives "us" the right to lock someone away like an animal
and heavily medicate.

its a good thread. but just that a thread. in the end we are just talking.


mabee we are the ones that are crazy.

unless action is taken then we are part of the problem

[drael]

unless action is taken then we are part of the problem

Action and thought are the same. Resolve this problem in the mind, and it will resolve in the world - as above, so below, as within, so without.

[deliciously_fresh]

I don't wish to undermine what others have said here, but some forms of psychosis, depressions and what presents as bi-polar disorder are simply physical ailments that can quite easily be treated (reversed) with strong nutients. I have seen people become 'mentally' healthy again very quickly when their brain gets what it needs.

The human brain is very nutrient-hungry, and cannot funtion correctly if it is starved of what it needs. Many lifestyle choice inhibit ideal absorbtsion of dietary nutrients, and many diets are very deficient of nutrients to start with.

People always look at me funny when I suggest strong nutrition for a seemingly mental problem, as they cannot comprehend how something as simple as a few vitamins can turn a persons life around, but it can and does.

It saddens me that many people are taking anti-psychotic drugs, when a simple course of folic acid, B vitamins, (+ nacin and and B12) can completely reverse the symptoms within just mere days.

I think you are onto something here.

[kitchenmatt]

Just wanted to say this is a great thread. Thank you all, you are really helping me sort through stuff at the moment. Drael you have helped me before and I really have a lot of time for your opinions. And Motag, those YouTube videos of Sean. He is a total star isn't he.

Hopefully one day, when i have sorted myself out, I will be useful to someone too. Cant wait!

[pilgrim]

I would say that any kind of non-physical "mental disease" is more likely to be a symptom of the absence of spiritual enlightenment, rather than a sign of it. ... Just a thought ...

[spiritslasher]

Love to everyone

No.

Seeing all biochemical differences as 'enlightenment' is not advisable, imo.

Difference is not a disorder, imo. :)

Good luck in your search for peace of mind.

[gracimusic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYBijRVbeHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miYFNm4sGy8&feature=related

http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/

A lot of truth in there!!! I've been through 60% of the symptoms you describe... But I guess deep inside we know our truth, so whatever negative things others may say only makes me feel sorry for them not seing it.

[kitchenmatt]

Hi Guys, I'm in need of some advice and assistance.

According to my doctor I had a 'brief psychotic episode brought on by stress' in January. On my last visit to him a few days ago he said that I would be on medication for 12 months but he would reduce my meds to the MINIMUM ACTIVE DOSE of 350mg. I was also told that if I stopped taking my medication then I would definately relapse.

The thing is, after watching videos linked on here and reading "The Stormy Search for the Self" by Stanislaf and Christian Grof I think my psychosis may have been a 'spiritual emergency'.

The other thing is that I haven't even been taking my medication for two weeks (I haven't told anyone) and I HAVE NOT RELAPSED.

I spoke to my meditation teacher yesterday and she said that I may have just been stressed out and that is all. Also, all my family and friends are telling me how important it is to stay on the medication.

Am I being dangerous or selfish? Should I go back onto the medication/poison?

[gracimusic]

Hi Guys, I'm in need of some advice and assistance.

According to my doctor I had a 'brief psychotic episode brought on by stress' in January. On my last visit to him a few days ago he said that I would be on medication for 12 months but he would reduce my meds to the MINIMUM ACTIVE DOSE of 350mg. I was also told that if I stopped taking my medication then I would definately relapse.

The thing is, after watching videos linked on here and reading "The Stormy Search for the Self" by Stanislaf and Christian Grof I think my psychosis may have been a 'spiritual emergency'.

The other thing is that I haven't even been taking my medication for two weeks (I haven't told anyone) and I HAVE NOT RELAPSED.

I spoke to my meditation teacher yesterday and she said that I may have just been stressed out and that is all. Also, all my family and friends are telling me how important it is to stay on the medication.

Am I being dangerous or selfish? Should I go back onto the medication/poison?

DON'T!!!

[limelady]

If you're feeling O.K. then I wouldn't bother with the drugs. But only you can make this decision.

Can I ask if you are getting enough B12. A deficiency can bring on psychosis, and may people are treated with drugs when a simple sublingual vitamin at 2000mcg a day can completely reverse the situation. Vegans and vegetarians are more at risk, but anybody can be B12 deficient, as due to various reason, some people dont make "intrinsic factor" in their intestines, and this is vital for transporting B12 to the bloodstream.

Ask your doctor to test you.....and in the meantime you could start taking the supplements, as they won't hurt you even if you don't have a deficiency.

B12 deficiency(pernicious anemia) is VERY common, and many people with depression and psychosis are wrongly diagnosed.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pernicious_anemia

see also http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/157/4/660

and http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1845194

All the best with whatever you decide. :)

[kitchenmatt]

Can I ask if you are getting enough B12.

The short answer to this is that i don't know. I'm definately going to find out right now.... Are there any whole foods that are packed with the stuff that you know of off the top of your head ?

Very recently I have become much more careful about what I am putting into my body, hence the need to want to stop taking the poisonous anti psychotics.

I'm also drinking this mega smoothie every morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEN4Rh47fCA

I used to get terrible indigestion every day but it seems to have stopped.

I haven't looked at your links yet. ill do that now..

Thanks

[kitchenmatt]

I've just found out that its in eggs :o..... looks like its eggs for brekkie from now on.

Anyone have any theories why I haven't relapsed ? Everyone I speak to says that I should be psychotic again by now. Apart from maybe being mis-diagnosed (which sounds quite plausible to me) ?

EDIT
I've decided to go back on the meds. It's very selfish of me to be doing this behind my family's back etc. When I was ill I was a danger to them and to myself.

I know its a bit of a U turn but I've been thinking about it all day, flip flopping from one to the other. Thanks for the advice Lime.

[empyblessing]

Through years of painful experience, and my journey into the darkness within, I've found that treating just the body isn't enough. It really takes a holistic approach to fully treat someone in suffering. It's important to improve one's nutrition but just as important to fix the problems in the mind and the spirit. It all works as one and where one element is off so will the others be. If the spirit is alive and healthy the body and mind will soon follow and vice versa.

Those who undergo mental illness suffer great pain. As we approach 2012 I believe we will see an increase in mental disorder (depression, bipolar, schizophrenia) several hundred times what we see today. The pharmaceutical companies are going to have orgasms over all the money they make as the world seems to go crazy all at the same time.

[krakhead]

I remember reading in my days training as a nurse (some 14 years ago now!) that there was one psychiatrist that specialised in differentiating between psychosis and spiritual awakening - I've had a look in my books/notes from that time and can't find it right now - will let you know if I do.

But my point being that there are some specialists out there who do recognise a difference!

[lifeofbrian]

Under different circumstances without the right support it's possible to imagine David Icke could have been have been diagnosed with some sort of mental illness and hospitalized when he went through his awakening. In fact many now would still consider him and most of us here mentally ill for some of the views we hold.

The guy in the vid isn't saying that everybody who is diagnosed with this disorder is having an awakening, what is saying though is that there is many people who are having a spiritual awakening or spiritual crisis and that these people need assistance from people who have an understanding of this not from psychiatrists.




Here is an excerpt of how one spiritual healer explains the more holistic nature of people and how we are influenced, and the treatment freeing people from those influences:

A person's health and experience of life (a person's reality) has its basis in holographically-recorded attitudes, beliefs, and emotions and these are the magnetic forces that underlie illness or health, attract and repel potential experiences, relationships to others, and shape our world view. By removing important blockages and unwanted attachments from the "unseen" or "subtle" bodies and unplugging them from the neural networks of the brain at a quantum level, a person's life starts to change and bloom.

There are a few kinds of blockages that everyone has which affect the flow of Life Force in the body. These are not "solid" in the material sense, but they are "solid" in faster time flows, in the seven subtle bodies that operate in these faster-frequency time flows. They are blockages of life-force energies, and they become "solidified" in the subtle bodies due to stress, trauma, and unresolved emotions such as fear, hatred, self-pity, et cetera. The emotions in a human being can become quite powerful, and these "manifest" as blockages that look very real to a clairvoyant person who can "see" these different frequency bands. (An example of frequency bands is Infrared, Visible Light, Ultraviolet, Gamma, X-Ray)

These blockages (emotional thoughtforms), often look like grayish orbs (spheres) representing an accumulation of emotional energy that has not been owned as wisdom, or that is unresolved and not forgiven. These orbs become condensed and solidified in the subtle bodies, and locate themselves in the body's chakras, or energy centers, according to the frequency. In other words, each of the seven energy centers, or chakras, which are located in the groin, lower intestines, abdomen, heart, throat, pineal, and pituitary, correspond with different emotional frequencies, so the kind of emotion determines where the blockage will be located in the chakras. For example, an unresolved experience of heartbreak, or rejection in love, will probably have a blockage in the heart chakra, and an experience of the guilt of not speaking the truth will have a blockage in the throat chakra. (These are very simplified examples of a complex subject, but I hope this gives you an idea.)

Discarnates

Before and during sessions, I often need to send discarnates, which are on Infrared (the astral) through the "tunnel" to the Plane of Bliss (Visible Light.) This is very common. They often prevent sessions from proceeding. I explain to them that you can't reincarnate from Infrared that you must go through the Tunnel to the Plane of Bliss, where you have a Life Review, and there is an agenda there that must be fulfilled before another incarnation is possible. Discarnates are very "earthbound". They're people we've known in past lives that usually feel they have a right to dominate the person they are "attached" to, through some kind of karmic contract such as "You betrayed me" or, "you abandoned me" or "you said you would be with me forever and never leave me", or it's a bond of hatred, where they are punishing the person that they are hanging around, etc. Now that they are gone, you will probably feel more freedom from their influence. More peace of mind. In other words, their "voices in your head" are now gone.

Occupants

An "occupant" is a thoughtform that thinks it owns the body, and is hindering a person's evolution. These are thoughtforms that can sometimes have very strong magnetic fields that attract undesirable experiences and relationships. These are the top-priority removals, as occupants interfere with a more natural flow of people, places, times, things, and events. When they are removed, their influence is also removed, and a person's experience of people, places, times things and events manifests more in accordance with the person's desires. Occupants often enter a chakra (seal) of the body during periods of illness, trauma, or stress. We scan the Light Body in a systematic way, identifying occupants and all lesser thoughtforms associated with them, removing them as we go.

A General Guideline Regarding Chakra Blockages (Occupants)

Occupants in the 7th chakra hold God concepts, i.e. 'god is a tyrant/god is benevolent'

Occupants in the 6th chakra hold insanity or obsession of analogical experiences and represent clarity/confusion issues

Occupants in the 5th chakra hold spoken or unspoken issues like not telling the truth, or using the power of the word for deception or manipulation

Occupants in the 4th chakra hold heartbreak and affect one's ability to cultivate unconditional love or self-love

Occupants in the 3rd chakra hold power/dominance/control and self-esteem issues (victimization, subjugation, blame)

Occupants in the 2nd chakra hold issues related to pain and suffering

Occupants in the 1st chakra hold sex and survival issues. Issues of sexual addictions, gender identification, and of course the fear of death (non-survival), which is the root of all fears, affects this chakra.

Portals

We then check for portals, which are openings in one or more chakras that act as "vacuums" for other peoples' adverse thoughtforms. We find them on people who wish to heal the pain and suffering of others (consciously or unconsciously) by taking upon themselves other peoples' burdens -- their undesirable thoughtforms generated by discordant emotions. Portals have the potential to cause health problems, depression, and energy loss. We close the portals permanently by obtaining a subconscious release of the emotional trauma that caused the portal to open. They are vertical, and are found in the center of the body, along the "pranic tube" that extends from the top of the head to the ankles.

We are connected to Source or God through rotating fields of energy that come from Source down through the universal, galactic, planetary, and then personal energy grids. If we have blockages like occupants or portals in our bio-energetic field, then these affect our ability to accrete this energy from Source and affect our potential for at-one-ment. With these gone, you will have much more energy and will be able to tap into your higher dimensions of consciousness that are closest to Source.

Control issues are central to just about everyone's life. The personality tries to control our lives, yet it's our Deeper Self that is the best at doing that. Most people never find their deeper, intuitive Self because it's a feeling, and it has no words. Some have called it "the small, still voice of God-within." The personality, which is seated in the neocortex of the brain, just doesn't have the resources to do the job -- to create joy, to bring about opportunities. These seemingly "miraculous" things are the reward for becoming an adept at using the midbrain, or psychic brain, which has the ability to bring about the mystical in life. Few people ever access this; hence most peoples' lives are a survival struggle, a power struggle to compete to survive. That's the lot of humanity, basically. I can remove intense traumas, but I cannot change anyone's decisions or attitudes (obviously *smile*). Your attitude is EVERYTHING, so since you have made the decision to get better, your attitude will reflect this, and you won't create the same blockages again.

So... I do work a long time to remove some of the unconscious "triggers" by removing some of these past-life traumas (in the form of holographic thoughtforms), as much as I can in one session. When these emotional thoughtforms are absolved, large, beautiful golden soul fragments are retrieved spontaneously into your Light Body. (These "soul fragments" are the life force that had previously been "tied up" in the unresolved emotions, the thoughtforms.) This is what it looks like clairvoyantly when thoughtforms (holograms) unwind and the soul energy is retrieved.

During the session and particularly at the end, when everything is released, the life force that was tied up in the attachments then returns through the subtle bodies. This means more life force circulates throughout the body. Clairvoyantly, this healing looks like swirls of color around the auric field, and infinitely small sacred geometric rainbow forms entered all the cells. It's very beautiful to "see".

[montag]

Sunrise genius reveals his dark truth

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7596/adambolandwideweb470x30bj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
"When you're on a high, you feel you can do anything" - Adam Boland,
on the set of Sunrise, says anti-depressant drugs blunt his creative
edge.

Jane Cadzow
April 18, 2008

WHERE do you draw the line between brilliance and madness? That is the question raised by hotshot television producer Adam Boland, who has spoken for the first time about his diagnosis with bipolar disorder, the mental illness characterised by huge swings in mood and energy levels.

"When you're on a high, you feel you can do anything," says Boland, 32, director of morning television at the Seven network. "Things that would normally take a week get done in an hour. There's no stopping you. It's an exciting state to be in."

Boland has been a key player in propelling Seven to No. 1 in the ratings and is widely regarded as the most talented young TV executive in the country. At 27, he took over production of the shaky Sunrise program and within a few years had transformed it into a ratings powerhouse and made household names of its hosts, Melissa Doyle and David Koch.

In an interview to be published in Good Weekend tomorrow, he talks not only about the disorder, formerly known as manic depression, but his decision to stop taking mood-stabilising drugs.

"The question of medication is a really tricky one," he said yesterday. "It makes you normal, and while that shouldn't be seen as a bad thing, I have an issue with just being normal."

Essentially, Boland believes the drugs blunted his creative edge. "I can't afford that. And I don't think Seven can afford it."

He now has counselling instead of taking tablets and accepts that, along with the highs, he is subject to bouts of debilitating depression. "You have to trade off the downside because the upside is so good. That's perhaps a dangerous strategy but it's one that has served me well up to this point."

Boland's illness was diagnosed by Gordon Parker, executive director of the Black Dog Institute, attached to the Prince of Wales Hospital, who estimates 600,000 Australians have bipolar disorder.

Professor Parker says it is more common in high achievers. There had been informal studies suggesting that "if you have bipolar disorder or you have it in the family, you're distinctly more likely to end up in Who's Who".

This week, the NSW Treasurer, Michael Costa, spoke of his struggle with the disorder and rugby league star Tim Smith revealed he had it, too. League legend Andrew Johns has published a book about his own struggle with the condition, though Professor Parker points out that at times Johns felt it gave him an advantage: "When he was high, he could see openings in the field that no other back could see, and he would be through in a flash."

One of Professor Parker's clients is a golfer who says that he plays at least three or four strokes better when he is on a high, feeling he can see each blade of grass with crystal clarity. "I get that described by sportsmen quite frequently.

"The downside, of course, is that when they're depressed, their reaction time is impaired."

For most people diagnosed with the condition, medication is the best option, he says. In both bipolar disorder I, which involves psychotic episodes, and the "milder" bipolar disorder II, sometimes known as bipolar lite, depression can be so severe it leads to suicide. So if a particular drug causes feelings of flatness, it is best to try another. "It's a suck-it-and-see process," he says.

THE SUNRISE KID
(http://www.theage.com.au/news/entnewsletterdaily/bfine-lineb-sunrise-whiz-reveals-dark-truth-behind-success/2008/04/17/1208025425062.html)

[joanna]

Hi
Great thread I agree with Drael and Lateral v, and the others that say that alot of mental illness can be the result of someone awakening.
Most psychiatry is guess work, it is not about curing the ' illness' but ceasing the symptoms.

The SSRI's were discovered by accident and they are not clear how they exactly work within the brain - they know they increase the reuptake of serotonin but the other effects are unclear hence the debate about addiction disorder as a result of being on these meds.

I think that when emptyblessing said there will be an increase in mental health disorders diagnosed as approach 2012 - that this assessment is spot on.

I know it is true that the brain can get sick - and broken - like a broken leg - tumours for example or bleeds ... but when the brain starts short wiring .. irrespective of the conventional cause ... all illnesses start in our energy .. either implanted or as a result of energy blocks.

If we have sudden chakra ' awakenings ' or openings - caused by trauma or drugs the effects can be devastating, because any blocks and ' yuck' that has not been cleared will manifest in the physical.

So I truely belive that alot of mental health problems arise from energetic sources through chakras prematurely opening, through negative entities energy attaching etc etc

It is a very complicated subject and I am not expert - but I do know that each person needs to be assessed individually and holistically ..

But I agree a lack of energetic balance can send an individual into freefall.

as the energies on this planet increase - alot of people who hae not worked on their blocks will see their stuff manifesting around them ... and this will be very hard and scary for them..

[joanna]

also I think that very sensitive individuals can get bombarded by the negativity that is often in the work place and that drifts around certain people .. and again this can be devastating if they do not know how to deal with these energies