Chemtrails mystery solved?

[graflok]

Here's some interesting info from a Dr. Stephen D. McKay regarding his research into chemtrails. My own summary of the information (as I understand it) is at the end of the post.

reference (excerpted below, as told to Victoria Hardy):
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=21473

Dr. Stephen D. McKay recently sent me an email and shared the news that he has been contacted by the BBC and Channel 4 in the U.K. to work on two documentaries about weather modification and geo-engineering projects, including the chemtrail issue. And yesterday I received his findings after six years of research into the subject.

Dr. McKay ... believes there are four ongoing projects in our atmosphere,

“The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth. This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties.”

“The second and most secretive project is the United States Navy's, RFMP, Radio Frequency Mission Planner, military program. The RFMP is the system name given to a group of computer programs and one of the supporting, subprograms within the RFMP system is called the VTRPE computer program. VTRPE is an acronym that stands for Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation, It is a computer Radio Frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions (3-D) on a television screen. The RFMP system also depends on satellites to feed their images of the battlefield into the RFMP system to be combined with the battlefield picture painted from the ground thus producing 3-D images.”

”By providing an extremely interactive and visual (television type radar screens) environment, the Radio Frequency Mission Planner, RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the "Radio Frequency" environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what-if" virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of Radio Frequency propagation are modeled in his computer, (RFMP system), special, sometimes counter- intuitive, cases can be examined in detail and exploited during a warfare battle mission.”

”The VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as "ducting", over land, to operate accurately.”

”The government and military solved the "ducting" problem by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts into the atmosphere over America. They made an atmospheric RF duct with a base of barium aerosol from aircraft. The chemical and electrical characteristics of the mixture will cause water moisture to stay in clouds. Again, the aerosol sets up an electrical and chemical environment that supports RF ducting for the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system. Fibers with barium may support ducting. The mixture of barium salt aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path from point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the earth, in both directions. Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with the straight line A to B ducting medium.”

”The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere. Weather control is a project of the U.S. Air Force and utilizes Nikola Tesla concepts of radio frequency radiation (HAARP) against the ionosphere above the earth. Fragile life support systems in our environment are being manipulated, tested and altered by government for military advantage. Air Force documents implied, "the risks are high but the rewards are worth it." The mixture of barium salts, supporting moisture, is encouraged along the weather fronts and manipulated in a control fashion. It is believed microwave energy is also utilized in the weather control program. Weather data is also a required input to the VTRPE program of the RFMP system. Perfected weather control technology will enable a military to withhold rain, cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country to its knees without firing a shot.”

”The fourth project in the atmosphere is the DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, biological detection and decontamination programs. The program also utilizes the mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol along with special polymer fibers in the atmosphere. They have released biological into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems.”

”It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals, in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that are either directly or indirectly responsible, for the recent epidemic increase in cases of nose bleed, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory symptoms and a noticeable increase in arthritis symptoms, recently reported nationwide. Chemicals illegally sprayed into the atmosphere are producing atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable to the growth of harmful molds and fungus. These conditions are not conducive to good health. The soluble salts of barium, an earth metal, are toxic in mammalian systems. They are absorbed rapidly from the gastrointestinal tract and are deposited in the muscles, lungs, and bone. No case data is available from the medical community on the long term effects of barium in the human body.”

”The programs are secret because the Federal EPA and State Environmental Quality Agencies need to "not know" about what the by-products of the metabolites of biological, illegal and harmful agents are. It's for that reason the project has been declared secret from the citizens of the countries.”

-- END OF QUOTED TEXT --

My own (graflok's) summary of the 4 reasons for chemtrails (as I understand the above info):

1. aluminum oxide or a compound with similar properties to block the rays of the sun thus lowering
surface temperature and reducing UV radiation.

2. (most secret) a barium salt aerosol (possibly with fibers) to facilitate the US Navy's Radio Frequency
Mission Planner (RFMP). This is a system that allows one to visually see battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions
(3-D) on a television screen. This system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the
environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what-if" virtual warfare
scenarios on his computer screen. The aerosol also allows enemy high frequency communications to be
monitored more easily.

3. barium salts as part of a weather modification scheme (in conjunction with HAARP) to withhold rain,
cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country
to its knees without firing a shot.

4. barium salts to produce atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable
to the growth of harmful molds and fungus.

graflok

[intruder]

Excellent Graflok!! and thank you for that!!

and what is the thirteenth element? Aluminum...

unlucky 13...?
13th tarot? death

[mynameis]

I wonder if someone told her?

[phenylamine]

I have been quite skeptical of the chemtrail phenomenon mostly because we all have to breathe the same air so why would they potentially poison it?
but the above article makes enough sense to make me think twice,mabey they really believe its for the best and worth the risk?,mabey they lack any common sense?,or just dont give a shit?
Do most of you think chemtrail spraying is really taking place?

[intruder]

Phenyl? you're spending too much time behind your monitor or TV if you haven't seen them.

[phenylamine]

I've seen plenty of CONtrails but I don't know if I've seen any CHEMtrails.

[whitelightrabbit]

I've seen plenty of CONtrails but I don't know if I've seen any CHEMtrails.


on a clear day you can notice both contrails and chemtrails. the contrails dissipate quickly and the chemtrails remain and spread out.

thanks for the info graflok.

[mcmenek1]

Hi,

One of the reasons I think they are trying to reflect the sun is to stop it getting to us, the sun is raising our vibration and the earths. We have been conditioned by ‘The Powers That Be’ to fear the sun... they tell us its dangerous! Wear sunglasses and cover up or you will get cancer.......... I don’t buy it!.........I found this interesting piece on the on the Internet a while ago.

“ Ask yourself is it just a coincidence that the increase in the spate of skin cancers runs concurrent with the increased use of sun creams, which are supposed to minimise this risk? An active ingredient in sunscreens, 2-phenylbenzimidazole-5 (PBSA), which is used to absorb ultra violet B (UVB), has been found to damage DNA when exposed to sunlight in a test tube. The researchers from Queen’s University in Belfast (N.Ireland) fear that if it caused similar changes to skin cells, this could lead to skin cancer”....[ Environment and Health News, Winter 1999 Edition 14


We are light beings our DNA is composed of light, our bodies convert the energy from the sun into heat and light which enhance our life force energy. The sun’s vibration is rising and it is waking people up this is one of the reasons ‘The Powers That Be’ are so desperate to minimise its effect by using Chemtrails.

Thanks for the post graflok :)

Love
&
Peace

[lookfar]

Thanks for sharing graflok. It's interesting to see that this subject has now finally come into the main media (BBC & Channel 4). Look forward to seeing what they have to say about it, which I'm sure will be heavily censored!

I agree mcmenek1, we're constantly being told to stay out of the sun or 'factor up' as much as possible, but the skin cancer cases are still rising & of course the pharmaceutical companies are making a mint!!!

[phenylamine]

some suggested reading for an undecided person?

can anyone point me to a few sites with good information on this subject please.Thanks.
Peace

[mcmenek1]

Hi lookfar,

Yea! I make a point of not wearing sunglasses or sun cream I use Aloe Vera instead. I’ve gotten to the stage now that what ever ‘They’ tell us to do for health reasons I do the opposite.:)

Love
&
Peace
:)

[lookfar]

some suggested reading for an undecided person?

can anyone point me to a few sites with good information on this subject please.Thanks.
Peace

Hi phenyl

For starters, you could search this forum as there have been quite a few threads about chemtrails.

Also lots to see on:
google video
thefreemanperspective.blogspot.com (good vids here too)
Limelady's lime-zone.blogspot.com :)
weatherwars.info
chemtrailcentral.com

That should keep you going for a while... :)

Hehe that seems like good advice mcmenek1, I totally agree :)

[ruebin]

Here's a really good site, with LOTS and LOTS of info...

http://www.carnicom.com/conright.htm

Clifford Carnicom has spent a lot of time, and a lot of his own money in researching the chemtrails over the past ten or so years. He's also made some top quality videos on the chemtrail problem. His website is well worth spending some time at.

The spraying here in upstate New York these past two weeks has been extremely bad. Today our entire sky was covered over with a thick, ugly white chemical pea soup, laced with thick, billowing trails. The buggers have been going constantly over this region for the past two days, with no letup. When the sun is behind the trails and the chemical clouds, as it was for a while this afternoon, you can actually see the "stuff" falling from the sky in a very fine mist. And on exceptionally bad days when the air is very still, you can actually smell the pungent chemicals in the air.

[mcmenek1]

Here's a really good site, with LOTS and LOTS of info...

http://www.carnicom.com/conright.htm

Clifford Carnicom has spent a lot of time, and a lot of his own money in researching the chemtrails over the past ten or so years. His website is well worth spending some time at.

Hi ruebin,

Thanks for the link, it looks really interesting..... loads of info.:)

Love
&
Peace

[ruebin]

I'm glad you like it. It's considered one of the best and most informative chemtrail websites on the internet.

:)

[ho1ogram]

I have been quite skeptical of the chemtrail phenomenon mostly because we all have to breathe the same air so why would they potentially poison it?
but the above article makes enough sense to make me think twice,mabey they really believe its for the best and worth the risk?,mabey they lack any common sense?,or just dont give a shit?
Do most of you think chemtrail spraying is really taking place?

I'm also a sceptic. I've been asking questions here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1190

I have been checking out airliners.net and reading chemtrail threads there. I haven't found one pilot yet who believes in them and I don't know how you could cover up something so large. Why aren't there any insiders blowing the whistle? There is an article on there as well, that says that CONtrails do form cirrus cloouds.

There is confirmation from the British military and discussed in parliament of chemical spraying over an English town in the 60's. So there is a precedent for this stuff. It's at the above link.

I dunno, it could be for real, I wouldn't put it past 'them'. Or the whole chemtrail thing could be a great big scare and disinfo operation for the conspiracy movement.

graflok - I had a look at the web page where the article is from and there is not one piece of supporting evidence, link, or source for anything that Dr. Stephen McKay says. Am I supposed to just take his word for it?

[phenylamine]

Thanks for all the leads everyone,will check em out tomarrow.I think there must be some truth in it,they have almost certainly done experiments along these lines.The massive atmospheric spraying operations of dangerous or potentially dangerous substances is what I'm sceptic al of,but I definitely don't doubt its possible either.

[whitenight639]

I was skeptical about chemtrails till about 3 days ago, nice clear day i looked out my window and theres 3 planes in the distance going along (i live on the side of a 640ft hill so iv got an amazing view of the countryside) i thoughts its just regular planes and there contrails, so i went to watch the budget on tv. came back down and there still flying around and there trails are huge compared to the size of the aircraft, i got the bonoculars out and theres lines that go like this:

_______________________________

_______________________

_________________

___________




Into the distance, i thought thats not right, comercial airlines dont fly over here because its a helecopter training flight path... strange.

[king]

this is such an important and interesting subject.
chemtrails subject used to bother me for a while.
I could not figure out What was the purpose of chemtrails and WHY were they spaying
like crazy, and all over the globe..

Although this theory of Dr. Stephen D. McKay sounds realistic – there are some major holes in it.

there is lots of disinformation and watter mudding and some of it is pretty naïve ‘explanation’.
here are my comments



Dr. McKay ... believes there are four ongoing projects in our atmosphere,


four projects, same set of chemtrail airplanes. so, who controls those airplanes – 4 different agencies? who maintains them? what about airplanes in other countries? who controls them?


“The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth.


or, maybe additional light/photon energy does something to humans – like it begins to AWAKENS them to the illusion, so that they begin to figure out the trick of black magicians (illuminati)?


This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties.”


or, so those evil ones who want to kill billions of people want to save us from ‘skin cancer’?
:)

how about if people stop putting f#$%en cancer causing chemicals on their skin, you know those things that give you skin cancers like sun lotions?




“The second and most secretive project is the United States Navy's, RFMP, Radio Frequency Mission Planner, military program. The RFMP is the system name given to a group of computer programs and one of the supporting, subprograms within the RFMP system is called the VTRPE computer program. VTRPE is an acronym that stands for Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation, It is a computer Radio Frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions (3-D) on a television screen. The RFMP system also depends on satellites to feed their images of the battlefield into the RFMP system to be combined with the battlefield picture painted from the ground thus producing 3-D images.”


wow! that sounds impressive!
but, but, but… why is U.S. NAVY doing tests in all other countries around the world?
You know, U.K., Germany, Italy or Poland or Canada isn’t exactly U.S.
Aren’t they (U.S. NAVY) afraid that someone may figure out their technology?
I say that this is pure fu#$en bullshit, because they (military) already have military satellites that can read the sticker on a license plate if need be and multiple satellites can
triangulate the positions with great accuracy.

Does anyone think that all of the governments of the world would allow their countries to be chemtrailed so that U.S. can expand its military technological capabilities?


”By providing an extremely interactive and visual (television type radar screens) environment, the Radio Frequency Mission Planner, RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the "Radio Frequency" environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what-if" virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of Radio Frequency propagation are modeled in his computer, (RFMP system), special, sometimes counter- intuitive, cases can be examined in detail and exploited during a warfare battle mission.”


right, global multi billion operations, just so that military can have better toys.
naaah, I am not buying it


Fibers with barium may support ducting. The mixture of barium salt aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path from point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the earth, in both directions. Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with the straight line A to B ducting medium.”


sounds like B.S. because why the hell are they testing ‘ducting” in all of the populated areas now/
why not go to some remote location and test it there, as usual?
why test it for years, even over those other countries of Europe?
hmm, something does not compute here.


”The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere. Weather control is a project of the U.S. Air Force and utilizes Nikola Tesla concepts of radio frequency radiation (HAARP) against the ionosphere above the earth.


do we think that this incredibly potent technology will be in hands of U.S. military.
the same military that will be destroyed in coming years.
I do not know about you, but if I were an illuminati – I’d have that under my own control, via small mind controlled group of my servants, and I had another group to monitor first group.


Fragile life support systems in our environment are being manipulated, tested and altered by government for military advantage.


wrong again, it is done for advantage of those who want to take over the world


Air Force documents implied, "the risks are high but the rewards are worth it."


another bullshit statement. what is the payoff for this global multi billion secret operations?!


The mixture of barium salts, supporting moisture, is encouraged along the weather fronts and manipulated in a control fashion. It is believed microwave energy is also utilized in the weather control program. Weather data is also a required input to the VTRPE program of the RFMP system. Perfected weather control technology will enable a military to withhold rain, cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country to its knees without firing a shot.”

this part is truth, but again – military are not really in control, but real big boys are


”The fourth project in the atmosphere is the DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, biological detection and decontamination programs.


pure bullshit
like DARPA cares about us. They would go to underground bunkers the moment biological shit is released.
since there are no public anti-nuclear bunkers in U.S. – well you should know that
this ‘DARPA theory is B.S.’


The program also utilizes the mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol along with special polymer fibers in the atmosphere. They have released biological into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems.”


true, many people got sick and when people went to emergency rooms – they collected the data on symptoms and detection methods. BTW, doctors were clueless why there was such an increase in upper respiratory problems. so, we were used as guinea
pigs. no one ‘decontaminated’ us because that would blow the cover off.


”It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals, in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that are either directly or indirectly responsible, for the recent epidemic increase in cases of nose bleed, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory symptoms and a noticeable increase in arthritis symptoms, recently reported nationwide. Chemicals illegally sprayed into the atmosphere are producing atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable to the growth of harmful molds and fungus. These conditions are not conducive to good health. The soluble salts of barium, an earth metal, are toxic in mammalian systems. They are absorbed rapidly from the gastrointestinal tract and are deposited in the muscles, lungs, and bone. No case data is available from the medical community on the long term effects of barium in the human body.


yes, this is true. notice how they say ‘It is believed that’… like they do not know that metals are bad for living things. I guess that is why they put metals (mostly aluminum based) in air (chemtrails), food (additives like aluminum baking powder) , water (fluoride) and vaccines (mercury, very toxic metal). they are learning, and they are just making ‘mistakes” here and there you see… there is no evil intent (eyeballs rolling)
”

”The programs are secret because the Federal EPA and State Environmental Quality Agencies need to "not know" about what the by-products of the metabolites of biological, illegal and harmful agents are. It's for that reason the project has been declared secret from the citizens of the countries.”



like EPA was not told that ‘chemtrails are a classified project of National Security’ and “here is the <canned> response that you should use in case of public inquiry”?!

but, I have not wrote this just o take apart this theory, I actually figured it out why would so many governments around the world allow their own citizens to be chemtrailed and more important -- why would they allow that their own little sorry asses be chemtrailed as well

there is no force on earth that can make all of the politicians agree to chemtrail operations unless they were really, really afraid of something.
and they are afraid, of their own people…people waking up to the illusion that is pulled over their eyes. because if people do wake up – those in governments would loose their jobs at best, or be exterminated like vermin at worse.
that is the only logical explanation -- managers of the humanity would be in deep shit.
and i mean -- life threatening shit!

that is why they do not see the chemtrails as a threat -- because their survival depends on us staying in lower vibrational frequencies.

now, of course that fu#$ing with mother nature is
insane thing to do, but apparently insanity of those in power
and their desire to stay in power is even greater.

we do not really know what long term effects of chemtrail operations will be on all life, but i got feeling that many politicians will begin to awaken when already is little too late, so i think that they will be f$%^ed either way, especially if angry mob gets them.


a while back I understood that chemtrails are used for suppression, only I did not know why and what kind of suppression. so, I set out on mission to add all pieces together and solve this puzzle for sake of my sanity. I traveled to other continents a few times since chemtrail operations started and I have seen them everywhere I visited.

then in summer of last year while observing the heavy chemtrailing of a heavily populated area from a local mountain top, and while looking at that murky red/brown mixture over the cities it became obvious that someone wanted to keep those people suppressed. See, they were not spaying in unpopulated area around the mountain, but they have hit the cities rally heavy!

It was not that they wanted to kill people en mass, because think what happens when one man yells – “government released the agent in the air to kill us” – everyone would run to safety first, and then people would start taking between themselves (that they usually do not do if they are not under life threat)
and then the cat would be out off bag. they would learn who the enemy is. their suspicions would not sound so crazy once they hear other people who are hiding their thoughts as well.
then, those who figured it out would start talking and those who are unaware would begin to connect the dots. Within short time the real perpetrators will become exposed.
imagine anger and rage towards someone who has oppressed you all your life, times billions?!
what chance would illuminati have, where would they hide?

anyways, this is what will do in illuminati in the end – people getting together and talking to each other, discovering who the true enemy is, but I digress, back to my chemtrails observation.

on the way back from mountains I noticed newly installed antennas that were similar to GWEN/Cell towers, only they were using a flat type of antennas that were directed on straight part of the road. Those antennas looked very directional and they covered 1 kilometer or so, so I have seen quite a few of those that were targeting whatever is on the road.

because this was a deserted mountain road there were not many buildings there, but right across a single building that does some kind of biological research there was a full blown GWEN tower, with usual antenna array that was concealed in a fake tree.

just like there is cell tower near each high school, elementary school, apartment building complex, office building and even each hospital there was a GWEN tower, in middle of nowhere. And this tower was not used for cell phones, that is for sure, because years ago cell phones worked fine without those towers and cell towers were located on hills, where it makes sense to place them, not across a building.
just today, I have seen some additional antennas near a high rise building.

Now, we all know about ELF , HAARP and chemtrails and how they can be (are) used to entrain human brain to a certain frequency.
My gut feeling is that GWEN/Cell phone towers do the same thing – to entrain human brains to a lower vibrational frequency and keep them there.
but, I do not think it is working as they want it to work, what has to happen will happen.

imagine if just one percent of the people wakes up?
imagine if that awakening begins to rub off overnight to other people?
how could you stop awakening THEN, if you are ruling the world by black magic and illusions and your bag of tricks does not work any longer?

I think that this is the greatest fear of those ‘illuminated ones’ that rule the world.
but, I know that they will fail.
no matter how many devices or fear, scaremongering and other crap they throw at us.
not even thousand of Alex Jones type of fear mongers, nor all 54 HAARPs can stop it.

because, how can you stop those who learn that they are infinite spirit and who refuse to play illuminati illusion game?


two words:

game over

anyways, check this video out and fast forward to 1:10


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1305743127328322433&q=illuminati+2

Icke puts it well. He talks about this very subject of awakening and all you have to know is that chemtrails, ELF, GWEN towers are used to suppress the awakening, that connection with infinite spirit.
watch the video and connect the dots.
:D

[whitenight639]

That makes sence, what do barium salts, Chlorine and flouride all have to do with it though? they must have an affect on people, part of an illuminatti cocktail they want us ingesting. you can kill bacteria in water without chloring you can use ultra violet light, so why havnt we replaced chloring with this technology and flourides are in 90% of toothpaste now so are not needed in everyones water, i dont see africans with dogy teeth!

[graflok]

Some things I've noticed about chemtrails --

I've noticed there is a peculiar odor when chemtrails are in the sky. I can only describe it as a faint burning smell.

If I drive to an area out from under the chemtrails, the odor disappears.

They seem to do most of the spraying at night or very early in the morning now (Southern California). This way most of the trails have already spread out to an overcast ceiling by the time most people are out and about. But, I often get up very early and can still see a few obvious trails that have not yet spread. This timing, I presume, is to make it less obvious to the public.

I've also found another interesting reference that may just give some inside information on how the chemtrails are physically administered. This is very interesting:
http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1669


graflok

[lookfar]

Thanks for sharing that info King, nicely summarised :) & I completely agree with what you're saying there. They want to keep us all dumbed down & what a perfect way by bombarding us with metals from all angles :mad: It won't work though!!!

On the subject of towers, I noticed in my town today quite a few tall buildings (budget hotel, an (office I think?) building called 'Capital House' and another 2 tall office looking blocks) which all had HUGE antennae on their roofs. They all had a number of long flat plate/panel ones dotted across roof, plus other dishes etc. I've not noticed them before & they seem way too large for the buildings' use. I was most disturbed by the flat panelled ones. Are these the same as you were referring to or something different? I wish I'd snapped a few pics now.

Graflok - are you still badly effected by chemtrails in California? I'm currently reading Don Croft's "The Life Etheric" & he says that LA has been heavily gifted with orgonite & things have improved.

Whitenight - the fluoride is in the water for the same reason - they're all poisons. I've just purchased myself a water distiller as my water tasted so bad here & I think it has fluoride added. I also discovered that it's not that easy to get your hands on a distiller in the UK, which also made me realise they don't want us to have good water here :mad:

[graflok]

Graflok - are you still badly effected by chemtrails in California? I'm currently reading Don Croft's "The Life Etheric" & he says that LA has been heavily gifted with orgonite & things have improved.


For a while I thought things had improved in LA but then I discovered they had changed their "schedule" and were spraying after sundown when it is harder to see what they're doing. But, you can see it if you look closely on moonlit nights and early dawn. Often, by sunrise, the sky is already hazed over with a few trails still visible.

graflok

[king]

Thanks for sharing that info King, nicely summarised :) & I completely agree with what you're saying there. They want to keep us all dumbed down & what a perfect way by bombarding us with metals from all angles :mad: It won't work though!!!

On the subject of towers, I noticed in my town today quite a few tall buildings (budget hotel, an (office I think?) building called 'Capital House' and another 2 tall office looking blocks) which all had HUGE antennae on their roofs. They all had a number of long flat plate/panel ones dotted across roof, plus other dishes etc. I've not noticed them before & they seem way too large for the buildings' use. I was most disturbed by the flat panelled ones. Are these the same as you were referring to or something different? I wish I'd snapped a few pics now.


yes, there are 2 types of them -- flat panel http://phaseoneesa.com/images/Doug%20Photo%204%20Cell%20Tower.jpg
and "fat antenna mast" similar to this
http://www.367net.com/NewsPic/Motorola/motorola-t730-antenna.gif

I must say -- Icke had it right with his "vibrational field".
Understanding this is so important!
I believe that this vbrational energy, including (especialy) orgone is the KEY to understanding not only conspiracy but how really powerfull we are!


Whitenight - the fluoride is in the water for the same reason - they're all poisons. I've just purchased myself a water distiller as my water tasted so bad here & I think it has fluoride added. I also discovered that it's not that easy to get your hands on a distiller in the UK, which also made me realise they don't want us to have good water here :mad:

you got it buddy, they are hitting us from all angles, and it is not because we are weak, but because we are powerfull beyond measure.
why otherwise would the y hit us from every angle that exists, day after day?

because it is NOT working, and they can push it only so far before people wake the fuck up.
because, people are now at the edge of the awakening.
I can just feel it now.

[king]

For a while I thought things had improved in LA but then I discovered they had changed their "schedule" and were spraying after sundown when it is harder to see what they're doing. But, you can see it if you look closely on moonlit nights and early dawn. Often, by sunrise, the sky is already hazed over with a few trails still visible.

graflok

yes, this is absolutely true, because I live in so Ca as well.
I have seen chem plains flying in parallel, some 5 miles apart in mid to late afternoon, starting usually from the west (pacific coast) to east (inland).

first they lay down few chem strips, then there is a pause for 15 minutes or so.
and after they get feedback from the satellite, how chems are spreading -- they adjust the spraying so that wind, air pressure and air currents can spread the chemical crap more effectively.

so, shortly afterwards you see shitload of plains doing their chemtrail process, some working coast, some working cities.

and, depending on time of year -- they also chemtrail at night, or early morning. My guess is that they do this when air currents are more predictable.

and , sometimes in the morning, just like graflok said, you can just smell that putrid air.
interestingly shhiple do not seem to notice it.
i bet you that 99 % of people do not have clue about chemtrails.
now, that is scary, that there are so many zombified people who do not even know what skies should look like?!

but, if you are confident about this subject when conversing to the people -- their subconscious will remember (record) what you have said to them, so this is how information will need to be spread – talk to their subconscious, their supercomputer.
they can consciously resist you, but subconsciously – if you make sense it will be recorded.

[oneofmany]

My personal opinion on chemtrails, fluride etc is that the powers that be are trying to find ways of killing off as many people as they can to have a sustainable world population. with chemtrails, who knows what they put in them, it could be poison for all we know and as for the water, we know that they put fluride in the water but what do they put into water that we dont know about?

[friendsinthesky]

I've noticed there is a peculiar odor when chemtrails are in the sky. I can only describe it as a faint burning smell.


In one of Melbourne's most affluent suburbs I've noticed a strong chlorine odor and @ these times the air is more dense than other times.

I have also seen "chemtrails" being dumped over this area.

[whitenight639]

My personal opinion on chemtrails, fluride etc is that the powers that be are trying to find ways of killing off as many people as they can to have a sustainable world population. with chemtrails, who knows what they put in them, it could be poison for all we know and as for the water, we know that they put fluride in the water but what do they put into water that we dont know about?

Where is Erin Brockovich (julia roberts) when you need her??
it annoys me tho because i KNOW they have technology that could have the whole (current) world population living comfortably, do you think everyone that gets the chip and conforms will get acces to these new technologies? they have the potential to make live very good for us or very bad.

[oneofmany]

Where is Erin Brockovich (julia roberts) when you need her??
it annoys me tho because i KNOW they have technology that could have the whole (current) world population living comfortably, do you think everyone that gets the chip and conforms will get acces to these new technologies? they have the potential to make live very good for us or very bad.
couldn't of said it better myself. I also KNOW they have technology that could sustain us all, but if they release it, then they lose CONTROL, and for the powers that be, that would be insufferable.

[graflok]

but, if you are confident about this subject when conversing to the people -- their subconscious will remember (record) what you have said to them, so this is how information will need to be spread – talk to their subconscious, their supercomputer.
they can consciously resist you, but subconsciously – if you make sense it will be recorded.

That's a good point and often times it takes time for the truth to "sink in" with many people. They may not seem to believe when you talk to them, but later it clicks.

Chemtrails are also a good choice for discussion because it's something right in front of them that they can see.

graflok

[whitenight639]

couldn't of said it better myself. I also KNOW they have technology that could sustain us all, but if they release it, then they lose CONTROL, and for the powers that be, that would be insufferable.

Yes your bang on oneofmany, but what is with China? are they ruled by NWO? because there kids get proper education and are encouraged to expand there technical abbilieties.

its funny because talking of erin brockovich the film is much like monsanto (dunno if it was based on it?), they polluted a whole town in allabama with PCB's (one of the most cancer causing chemicals known to man) and they got sued $700m but knowone knows about this! even thought Al Gore, Donald rumsfeld and several others from the FDA (food and drug admin) are/ were on the board of directors, its sick. and if that were showed in the film there would be uproar.

[oneofmany]

Yes your bang on oneofmany, but what is with China? are they ruled by NWO? because there kids get proper education and are encouraged to expand there technical abbilieties.

its funny because talking of erin brockovich the film is much like monsanto (dunno if it was based on it?), they polluted a whole town in allabama with PCB's (one of the most cancer causing chemicals known to man) and they got sued $700m but knowone knows about this! even thought Al Gore, Donald rumsfeld and several others from the FDA (food and drug admin) are/ were on the board of directors, its sick. and if that were showed in the film there would be uproar.

Half truths are just as effective as a flat out lie. Hollywood are the masters of the half truth, and that's why a lot of the movies that come out of it tend to ring true. They distort historical facts with their own version of bullshit and put a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen saying that it is BASED ON A TRUE STORY, while all the while knowing that the young and impressionable will take it for gospel truth.

I'ts a sick world we live in, really

[lookfar]

=king;20101]yes, there are 2 types of them -- flat panel http://phaseoneesa.com/images/Doug%20Photo%204%20Cell%20Tower.jpg
and "fat antenna mast" similar to this
http://www.367net.com/NewsPic/Motorola/motorola-t730-antenna.gif

Thanks for clarifying that king. They were definitely like the flat panel ones but on smaller poles, scattered around the roof looking very ominous:( I'll have a search about online to see if I can find out more about them. Do you know of any good sites that you could recommend?

I must say -- Icke had it right with his "vibrational field".
Understanding this is so important!
I believe that this vbrational energy, including (especialy) orgone is the KEY to understanding not only conspiracy but how really powerfull we are!

Definitely, I totally agree with you there on both counts. Orgone is certainly the way to go as a defence against all this.

[ruebin]

From my own observations, I have noticed that there are basically TWO types of aircraft that do most of the spraying. To get a closer view of this, simply look up at the light gray, unmarked jets overhead the next time your area is being subjected to a heavy day spraying, and be sure that you are well equipped with a GOOD, POWERFUL pair of binoculars! Having the binocs with you when observing a spraying operation makes all the difference in the world!

The two types of aircraft used during spraying operations...

One.... Boeing 767 twin engined wide body tanker jets. These jets, at least in THIS neck of the woods, are pretty much the ones that do the bulk of the spraying. If you look closely with the binocs, you will notice that there is NO EXHAUST being emitted from the engine pods. That huge billowing cloud that is coming from the aircraft is actually being emitted from the tips of the small wings (horizontal stabilizer, or tailplane) at the rear of the aircraft! (An extremely weird and somewhat unsettling sight when viewed with magnification for the very first time!!!) From my observations, the 767's outnumber the KC-135's by about ten to one, and, when the armada of these jets silently appears in my airspace to poison my sky (and the population below), it is soon very apparent that these jets are the "workhorses" of the spraying operations... at least here in the Northeastrn USA.

TWO... The massive four engined Boeing KC-135, which is actually a military version of a Boeing 707 that has been modified for military specifications into a tanker jet. These have been given the nickname "mega-sprayer", because when the spray nozzles are opened up full-force on this type of aircraft, the result is an awesome and massive billowing plume that trails the jet and gradually morphs into a huge, artificial chemical cirrus cloud that dwarfs those being poured out by the 767's!!! Normally these jets emit a strange and unique "exhaust trail" from the 4 engines, which consists of a "core" trail that is surrounded by a "covering" trail. It's very interesting to watch these trails gradually unwind, and dissipate many minutes after the jet flies over. Even though THESE trails dissipate, many believe that this is some sort of preparatory mixture that interacts with the trails being sprayed by 767's. However, when these aircraft REALLY begin to go to all out with the spraying, it is an awesome sight to witness, especially viewed with a good pair of binoculars! The massive front wings of these jets, from tip to fuselage, suddenly erupts with a huge thick trail, a trail that usually dwarfs those that are being sprayed by the 767's. Sometimes, when observing this with my binoculars, I actually get the odd sensation that I'm watching a REAL LIFE (and very scary), big budget, science fiction film, playing itself out... right above my house!!! (Sure wish it really WERE nothing more than just a scary science fiction flick!!!)

From my own observations, the KC-135's usually show up in force just before the spraying operation gets into high gear... and then once the armada of 767's begin showing up, the KC-135's are gradually phased out.

[whitenight639]

Thanks for the info on plane types, can anyone suggest a good site that tracks the chemtrailing and has a database of any increased illnesess? just so we no what to expect (and work out what there spraying)

[ruebin]

The best way to track the aerosol activity (chemtrailing) over your own area, or anywhere else on the planet, is by keeping a close watch on the latest, updated satellite images. Here are some good sat image websites. Most are updated every 30/45 minutes or so. Chemtrail activity is VERY EASY to see on good, high resolution satellite images. Also, once you train your eyes/mind, and gradually know what to look for, it is VERY EASY to distinguish artificial, man-made, chemical cloud cover from the REAL THING..., that created by Mother Nature.

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/cgi-bin/latest.cgi?vis-e_enhanced

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/cgi-bin/latest.cgi?vis_enhanced

http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satellite/

http://www.wunderground.com/US/Region/Northeast/2xpxVisSatellite.html

[whitenight639]

THANKYOU Ruebin

[cheeb]

i spoke to you last night how do you put the links on here its more relevant when you can click on links

[whitenight639]

cheeb you talking to me? to put links you just make sure you put http:// at the begining of your address, just write it in the txt nothing special.

[mcmenek1]

Hi ruebin,

Thanks for the interesting info. on the planes and the links to the satellite images.........excellent stuff.:)


Love
&
Peace

[ruebin]

Thanks mcmenek1 and whitenight639...

:)


One interesting footnote that I'd like to add to my above posting on satellite images is that, shortly after this whole chemtrail issue virtually exploded on the internet back in 1999/2000, many of the local TV forecasters and "meteorologists", including ALL of the local one's here in my area, very quickly, and ALL at the same time, very discreetly and with absolutely no fanfare, LOWERED, by at least 50 percent, the resolution on all of the satellite images that they were showing on their local weather forecasts... therefore making it VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE to distinguish any details in these images... including the chemtrails. Before this change of theirs, watching the local TV weather forecasts was a great way of determining where the spraying over the USA, and our local region, was taking place. They quickly put an end to that. And now, their latest trick, along with the lowered resolution, is that many of them have sped up the "time lapse" movement of the images SO FAST, that what details remain because of the lowered resolution, the speed at which they are now presented make it totally impossible to focus on them. I've talked with just about all of the local forecasters in this region over the past six years or so, and I'm convinced now, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that these people know very well what's going on!

[king]

Thanks for clarifying that king. They were definitely like the flat panel ones but on smaller poles, scattered around the roof looking very ominous:( I'll have a search about online to see if I can find out more about them. Do you know of any good sites that you could recommend?


i would google it to get visual reference:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=cell%20towers&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

btw, i see this kind of cell tower almost everywhere:

http://green8usa.com/images/tower_1_med.jpg
http://www.arcx.com/sites/Bell%20Microcell%20near%20Sherway%20Gardens.JPG
http://www.arcx.com/sites/Bell%20Gallery%20(Old).htm

check this one out:
Stealth Cell Towers
http://www.stealthsite.com/

STEALTH® Concealment Solutions, Inc. was organized in 1992 to provide the telecommunications industry with a means to expand their infrastructure by offering antenna concealment.

STEALTH® designs, engineers and fabricates antenna concealment screening systems for the entire wireless industry. Our architecturally sound and aesthetically pleasing concealment systems are specifically designed to assist you in receiving zoning and building owner approvals without reducing the system’s RF performance.

Our solutions to antenna concealments include, but are not limited to: rooftops, flagpoles, light poles, bell and clock towers, signs, water towers, silos, crosses, chimneys, louvers, trees, and side mounted boxes.


read more about subject here
http://www.bariumblues.com/towers.htm


Total Population Control

An overview of the ELF, GWEN towers, and HAARP inter-connection.

http://www.bariumblues.com/em_mind%20control.htm

http://www.bariumblues.com/towers_2.htm







Definitely, I totally agree with you there on both counts. Orgone is certainly the way to go as a defence against all this.

yeah, orgone.. the life energy is the key

[king]

Thanks mcmenek1 and whitenight639...

:)


One interesting footnote that I'd like to add to my above posting on satellite images is that, shortly after this whole chemtrail issue virtually exploded on the internet back in 1999/2000, many of the local TV forecasters and "meteorologists", including ALL of the local one's here in my area, very quickly, and ALL at the same time, very discreetly and with absolutely no fanfare, LOWERED, by at least 50 percent, the resolution on all of the satellite images that they were showing on their local weather forecasts... therefore making it VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE to distinguish any details in these images... including the chemtrails. Before this change of theirs, watching the local TV weather forecasts was a great way of determining where the spraying over the USA, and our local region, was taking place. They quickly put an end to that. And now, their latest trick, along with the lowered resolution, is that many of them have sped up the "time lapse" movement of the images SO FAST, that what details remain because of the lowered resolution, the speed at which they are now presented make it totally impossible to focus on them. I've talked with just about all of the local forecasters in this region over the past six years or so, and I'm convinced now, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that these people know very well what's going on!

now, that is really interesting!
i was wondering why those clouds are shown in super fast motion.

so....those weather hacks are on the scam?!
afraid for their jobs?
sold out their souls for their daily bread?

[whitenight639]

Thanks for the links King the info is facinating but some of it is most likly bs but i have no doubt the stealth systems are used on us and are detrimental to our evoloution and wellbieng, im going to have a look at making an EMP device that will mess em up!!

[cleft_asunder]

I have been quite skeptical of the chemtrail phenomenon mostly because we all have to breathe the same air so why would they potentially poison it?
but the above article makes enough sense to make me think twice,mabey they really believe its for the best and worth the risk?,mabey they lack any common sense?,or just dont give a shit?
Do most of you think chemtrail spraying is really taking place?

Oh... my... God, I didn't think you people would be so guilible. Seriously, this is totally blatant disinfo. Block out the rays of the sun so that we are protected from cancer? LAUGHABLE, if it werent so bewilderingly wrong. The sun doesn't cause cancer, sun-tan lotion does. If the sun caused cancer then there would be an epedemic in the Middle East and Africa. But look at the skin of people in the Middle East, it is ALWAYS healthy looking. The sun is one of the best damned things you can expose yourself to. Go read about the Indian named Hira Manek. He started staring at the sun, and eventually he didn't need to eat food anymore. He drinks water and sleeps 3 hours a night, not because he has to but because he feels he should. He doesn't even get cold in extreme weather.

Sun glasses are a lie designed to supress the population. It is about blocking out healthy rays coming into the eyes, which makes people more intelligent and healthier.

I just cannot fucking believe how fucked everything is. Nothing is being done to benefit humanity right now. It is not being allowed. Chemtrails are about suppressing the immune system with toxins and blocking out the sun --which is increasing in heat on the way to 2012-- so that you don't get it's full benefits. Respitory illness, sinus, caughing, colds, flu's, morgellons, that's what it's about.

[cleft_asunder]

Hi,

One of the reasons I think they are trying to reflect the sun is to stop it getting to us, the sun is raising our vibration and the earths. We have been conditioned by ‘The Powers That Be’ to fear the sun... they tell us its dangerous! Wear sunglasses and cover up or you will get cancer.......... I don’t buy it!.........I found this interesting piece on the on the Internet a while ago.


Peace

THANK YOU!!!:eek:

[whitenight639]

Sun glasses are a lie designed to supress the population. It is about blocking out healthy rays coming into the eyes, which makes people more intelligent and healthier.



Your damm right but i still prefer sun glasses to smashing into the back of someone whilst driving lol :cool:

Ive been an internet user for about 5 years i would like to hear from anyone thats been using it longer, in particular if there were all this information / theories and dis info about 10yrs ago or is this a growing thing as people are waking up?

[whitenight639]

OMg forgive me if im wrong but on Hira Ratan Manek's own website http://www.solarhealing.com/about.htm thers an illuminatti symbol promently top left. am i imagining things? or does this symbol have a different meaning?

[cleft_asunder]

OMg forgive me if im wrong but on Hira Ratan Manek's own website http://www.solarhealing.com/about.htm thers an illuminatti symbol promently top left. am i imagining things? or does this symbol have a different meaning?

Looks like the site got a liftjob. Haven't been to it in a year or so. It ummm... certainly has what you say. Nice catch. I am always looking out for things like that. But still, it could very well be true.

[whitenight639]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4507036.stm

i just found this from alan watts website, i never thought they would actually admit to testing weapons on the public in peacetime. wtf. im defo made up on chemtrailing now.

[garth]

Oh... my... God, I didn't think you people would be so guilible. Seriously, this is totally blatant disinfo. Block out the rays of the sun so that we are protected from cancer? LAUGHABLE, if it werent so bewilderingly wrong. The sun doesn't cause cancer, sun-tan lotion does. If the sun caused cancer then there would be an epedemic in the Middle East and Africa. But look at the skin of people in the Middle East, it is ALWAYS healthy looking. The sun is one of the best damned things you can expose yourself to.

Skin cancer is also caused by the billions of radioactive particles ciruclating the world from the 700+ Nuke tests carried out from 1945

http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/smoking.html

I agree, this is a fucked up world where the opposite, more often than not, is closer to the truth than the newspeak crap we are peddled by the media/gov/ops etc etc

[intruder]

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