Is the LOA the greatest mind-control scam?

[truthcommission]

Lately there seems to be a huge interest in LOA (Law of Attraction). There are even people who make such fluffy statements as if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world. Not only is this naive but giving people a warped version of reality.

I am beginning to think that the LOA is the biggest con being manufactured to keep people in denial whilst brainwashing them into thinking that none of the negative stuff really exists or that there is in fact no out there.

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.

[teslafire]

It ranks up there with "I'll die for all your sins", but yeah, its hook is an advertiser's wet dream; follow your feelings!

I hear people talking about this everywhere now, its become normal conversation at parties, at work, and most influentially as polite fodder mentioned in passing.

[neutron flux]

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[limelady]

Is the Law of Attraction a scam? No.

its merely the renaming of a very old and very well known universal law known as karma.

What you sow, so shall you reep. Cause and effect, like attracts like.... Blah, blah...

If you haven't witnessed the LOA in your own life, then you must have been just as asleep as all those who are ONLY NOW beginning to wake to the understanding that they CAN begin to control their own experiences.

The Law of Attraction is a strong law.

Instead of calling it a scam, why don't you give it a try?

You MAY surprise yourself. Then again, you may not too, as it seems you already have a mindset on what is possible and what isn't, and the LOA appears to be on you "no can do" list.

[azure]

The "Law of Attraction" as typically presented is pure marketing, complete scam.

That's absolutely not to say that you can't learn to exert great influence over the world around you, but YOU MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE WORLD CAN ALSO INFLUENCE YOU IN TURN.

Learning to control your thoughts, beliefs, and internal state is important in increasing your impact in interacting with the world, but THEY ARE NOT THE SOLE DETERMINING FACTOR OF YOUR EXPERIENCE.

Dwelling on negative thoughts and depressing yourself is stupid, but REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE UNFORTUNATE TRUTHS IS NOT THE ANSWER.

The "create your own reality" cult can lead to some thought processes that are absurd at best and potentially psychopathic and dangerous at worst. As I believe Icke said, "Ignorance is bliss, but only for a while."

[i am all i am]

Learning to control your thoughts, beliefs, and internal state is important in increasing your impact in interacting with the world, but THEY ARE NOT THE SOLE DETERMINING FACTOR OF YOUR EXPERIENCE.

G'day Azure,

I agree that they aren't the sole determing factor.

THOUGHT, WORD, ACTION combined with BELIEF is the way that MIND, SOUL, BODY creates experience.

With LOVE.

[azure]

The key distinction is that you INFLUENCE the CONSENSUS REALITY, you do not "CREATE" a PERSONAL REALITY.

[teslafire]

its merely the renaming of a very old and very well known universal law known as karma.

What you sow, so shall you reep. Cause and effect, like attracts like.... Blah, blah...

That's a good point. I see it as a repackaging of the basic propaganda known as karma, in the oldest elite proferred mind control belief system/religion: Hinduism. Karma was how the caste system is justified; institutionalized slavery justified by hokey religious beief.

If you haven't witnessed the LOA in your own life, then you must have been just as asleep as all those who are ONLY NOW beginning to wake to the understanding that they CAN begin to control their own experiences.

I must have been asleep? 'You create your reality' is as old as the Ashtar routine...

The Law of Attraction is a strong law.

In your perception of reality, there is no doubt of this.

Instead of calling it a scam, why don't you give it a try?

Try? What is there to try, its happening all the time, isn't it? I'm doing it right now, I attracted this experience...

Did you not attract this criticism of your belief system?

[limelady]

Hello azure. Boy are you on a tangent!



azure;19377]The "Law of Attraction" as typically presented is pure marketing, complete scam.

Are you talking about the movie The Secret? If so, yes indeed it IS being marketed to the people, but if its something potentiall GOOD as opposed to something potentiall destructive (Like the Wars that are ALSO being marketed to us), then what the hell is wrong with this?

Has it ever occurred to you thaT ANYTHING with the potential to do some good would HAVE to be marketed in such a manner as to actually be heard through all the noise, and appeal to the masses? This is how the controllers have always controlled us. They have marketed their agenda in ways they know work. So what is wrong with another verson of reality being packaged and marketed in the same manner? Its a proven method, so why not use it?

The trick here is to know what to accept into your life and what not to accept.


That's absolutely not to say that you can't learn to exert great influence over the world around you, but YOU MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE WORLD CAN ALSO INFLUENCE YOU IN TURN.

Have you ever heard anyone say otherwise? Until enough people on the planet realise what a total scam has been pulled on us, then the negative factions who've been controlling things here for so long will obviously continue to exert their strong influence. Who would deny this?

Learning to control your thoughts, beliefs, and internal state is important in increasing your impact in interacting with the world, but THEY ARE NOT THE SOLE DETERMINING FACTOR OF YOUR EXPERIENCE.
Dwelling on negative thoughts and depressing yourself is stupid, but REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE UNFORTUNATE TRUTHS IS NOT THE ANSWER.


Ditto what I just said above


The "create your own reality" cult can lead to some thought processes that are absurd at best and potentially psychopathic and dangerous at worst. As I believe Icke said, "Ignorance is bliss, but only for a while."

He also says we must learn to creat our own reality. Unplugging from the matrix means learning to use our intuition (our own higher wisdom) rather than believing what we are told about anything.

I love the way you use the work "cult" here in order to try and influence others into believing that their understand they have the ability to become a co-creator in reality puts them into a "cult". Very crafty choice of words.

Azure, are you attempting to manipulate the people on this forum?

[lenejento]

Lately there seems to be a huge interest in LOA (Law of Attraction). There are even people who make such fluffy statements as if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world. Not only is this naive but giving people a warped version of reality.

I am beginning to think that the LOA is the biggest con being manufactured to keep people in denial whilst brainwashing them into thinking that none of the negative stuff really exists or that there is in fact no out there.

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.

If it is (and I think it is) we'll find out quite soon because people would see that it's just not working. Maybe it's to keep us occupied with a spirituality dogma untill they plan to chip us, (maybe after a 3rd world war, the people give up all hope and are consumbed by guilt so they get chipped like I read on another thread).

In my personal experience I feel that the truth of what we really want and are looking for is who we already are, beingness. We don't need something outside of us to be fulfilled, we are fulfilled already, and who we really are, consciousness, won't let us be comfortable untill we know ourselfes as who we really are. That's why every wish can't be fulfilled with just a thought, not when we think we are our mind. When we get in touch with who we really are, and using mind as a TOOL I would think this would be more possible (creating reality that is) in a more effective way, but we would do this more for fun then. I've realised that if I live from my consciousness more (getting better at it day by day) syncroniseties happens much more frequently in my life. It's like everything just works out.

Hope I make some sense, I've been so much happier after watching Gangaji's videos, you can find them on google video.

[mynameis]

Hello azure. Boy are you on a tangent!





Are you talking about the movie The Secret? If so, yes indeed it IS being marketed to the people, but if its something potentiall GOOD as opposed to something potentiall destructive (Like the Wars that are ALSO being marketed to us), then what the hell is wrong with this?

Has it ever occurred to you thaT ANYTHING with the potential to do some good would HAVE to be marketed in such a manner as to actually be heard through all the noise, and appeal to the masses? This is how the controllers have always controlled us. They have marketed their agenda in ways they know work. So what is wrong with another verson of reality being packaged and marketed in the same manner? Its a proven method, so why not use it?

The trick here is to know what to accept into your life and what not to accept.




Have you ever heard anyone say otherwise? Until enough people on the planet realise what a total scam has been pulled on us, then the negative factions who've been controlling things here for so long will obviously continue to exert their strong influence. Who would deny this?




Ditto what I just said above




He also says we must learn to creat our own reality. Unplugging from the matrix means learning to use our intuition (our own higher wisdom) rather than believing what we are told about anything.

I love the way you use the work "cult" here in order to try and influence others into believing that their understand they have the ability to become a co-creator in reality puts them into a "cult". Very crafty choice of words.

Azure, are you attempting to manipulate the people on this forum?

This is just as abusing as any other form of mind control. Reality is what you make by doing unto others as you would for yourself. Selfishness causes all the evils of this world and what's more selfish than vanity, attraction, fascism?

[truthcommission]

The "Law of Attraction" as typically presented is pure marketing, complete scam.
Maybe I should have been a little bit clearer in my original post. I don't deny that intention CAN effect the outcome of certain things or even change the nature of things. Science is only now beginning to catch up to this reality with some of the developments in quantum physics.

In fact science has only barely scratched the surface of quantum theory and some of the discoveries that are being made now would make the mind boggle with their implications. Time travel, teleportation, parallel universes, instant manifestation and the ability to make one invisible are all theoretically possible if one considers the nature of 'reality' as recently espoused by quantum physicists and the Indian Vedas thousands of years ago.

I think that many people in the personal development and 'new age' field have cottoned onto some of these 'new discoveries' and jumped on the bandwagon. As a result we are seeing hype marketing in full effect selling The Secret with its watered down theories.

I sometimes wonder is this engineered to distract people from their true potential?

[limelady]

Try? What is there to try, its happening all the time, isn't it? I'm doing it right now, I attracted this experience...

Did you not attract this criticism of your belief system?

Hi teslafire.

Indeed, but I do not believe it a belief system as you do. To me its a 'know' system because I understand how this works on a deeper level involving my part in being a co-creator.

That's a good point. I see it as a repackaging of the basic propaganda known as karma, in the oldest elite proferred mind control belief system/religion: Hinduism. Karma was how the caste system is justified; institutionalized slavery justified by hokey religious beief.

Indeed it is a good point because all "beleif systems" are based on some truth or the people would never have resonated with anything.

It is unfortuante that the religions (the controllers) have used the LOA against the people, packaging it in such a way as to cause fear and dependence on their religion.

To say it has been re-packaged is a good point and I covered this in my former post. But thankfully this time the LOA has finally come out of the closet to be looked at outside of its former religious constricts. :D

[azure]

Are you talking about the movie The Secret? If so, yes indeed it IS being marketed to the people, but if its something potentiall GOOD as opposed to something potentiall destructive (Like the Wars that are ALSO being marketed to us), then what the hell is wrong with this?

Because it's extremely misleading.

Have you ever heard anyone say otherwise?

Yep, I most certainly have. My post was directed towards those who believe:

1) Nothing can happen to them unless they specifically "manifest" it.

2) The entire world is merely a projection of their thoughts.

3) All conspiracy information should be ignored as it is too "negative" and that "by focusing on it we're only manifesting more of it".

If you're only taking it as far as, "Hey, if you learn to control your thoughts and mental processes, you can perform better and thus achieve better results in the world", that's totally cool.

Unfortunately, that's not how it's marketed. It's marketed as, "ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO YOU IS A RESULT OF YOUR THOUGHTS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT REALLY HARD AND IT WILL MAGICALLY COME TO YOU!"

Which is totally not cool.

I love the way you use the work "cult" here in order to try and influence others into believing that their understand they have the ability to become a co-creator in reality puts them into a "cult". Very crafty choice of words.

It becomes very cult-like indeed for some people.

[teslafire]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#Sociological_definitions_of_religion
Secular cult opponents define a "cult" as a religious or non-religious group that tends to manipulate, exploit, and control its members. Here are two definitions by Michael Langone and Louis Jolyon West, scholars who are widely recognized among the secular cult opposition:

Cults are groups that often exploit members psychologically and/or financially, typically by making members comply with leadership's demands through certain types of psychological manipulation, popularly called mind control, and through the inculcation of deep-seated anxious dependency on the group and its leaders.1

"A cult is a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g. isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgement, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of [consequences of] leaving it, etc) designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community." 8

Michael Langone has attempted to address the issue of multiple definitions of "cult".[6]

A more purely sociological definition was proposed by T. Robbins and D. Anthony (1982:283, quoted in Richardson 1993:351):

"...certain manipulative and authoritarian groups which allegedly employ mind control and pose a threat to mental health are universally labeled cults. These groups are usually 1) authoritarian in their leadership; 2)communal and totalistic in their organization; 3) aggressive in their proselylitizing; 4) systematic in their programs of indoctrination; 5)relatively new and unfamiliar in the United states; 6)middle class in their clientele"

The common anti-cult definition summarised,

* Manipulative and authoritarian mind control over members
* Communal and totalistic in their organisation
* Aggressive in proselytizing
* Systematic program of indoctrination
* New membership of cults by middle class

[i am all i am]

This is just as abusing as any other form of mind control. Reality is what you make by doing unto others as you would for yourself. Selfishness causes all the evils of this world and what's more selfish than vanity, attraction, fascism?

It all depends on what your idea of the self is.

Maybe if you expanded your idea of yourself you would merely see yourself appearing before you as a manifestation of your creative ability as THE CREATOR / ALL THAT IS / GOD (or whatever name that you choose to use).


With LOVE.

[limelady]

If you're only taking it as far as, "Hey, if you learn to control your thoughts and mental processes, you can perform better and thus achieve better results in the world", that's totally cool.

Unfortunately, that's not how it's marketed. It's marketed as, "ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO YOU IS A RESULT OF YOUR THOUGHTS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT REALLY HARD AND IT WILL MAGICALLY COME TO YOU!"
Which is totally not cool.

Thanks for your clarifying that. I personally haven't seen it marketed like that, but thats most likely because I am a free-thinker who learns from my own experience, therefore I haven't been attracted to the places where there are those who would practice the LOA (or anything else) as the foundation of a cult or a religion.

The LOA is just a deep understanding I have had since I was a child. It wasn't till I was in my teens that I finally read that others had the same understanding. But just because I understood it didn't mean I was always able to control my own experiences. I had a LOT of terrifying negative experiences coming at me 24/7 as a youngster, so I know full well how one can understand something well, yet still have no real control over it. As a dependant child, I was most certainly a victim of a person who welded his negative influences over me.

But that doesn't mean the LOA was not operational in my life in much smaller ways I could control from my perspective as a child. In fact had it not been for the fact that it was, I'd likely not have survived my childhood experiences at all.

[Anders Lindman]

I have felt frustrated about the LOA. My new approach to see if the LOA works is to make the goals I set up have the highest priority in my subconscious. So instead of wanting something only as thoughts, I go into a deeper state that actually makes me feel that the new goal is MORE important than all my other goals. My initial attempts showed that this was not so easy to do in practice. Concerns about financial and social safety and so on are not easy to override in the subconscious. An example of this is: I will try to make money without having a job. When I listen to my subconscious I can hear: "Don't go in that direction! You will become a homeless bum. Stay with having an ordinary job. That's far more realistic and much more safe and secure."

[neutron flux]

The LOA is totally subjective and the glossy repackaged sick bag fest that is "The Secret" fails to include many points such as: are the people caught up in hell-holes such as Iraq or Gaza creating their own reality? Is it their fault? If the people of Gaza just think hard enough then the Isreali occupation will just up and move? No, I don't think so either.

But hey, the PTB seem to be using the secret already as displayed in this quote from a white house aide:

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


They seem to be creating their own reality at the expense of ours.

[i am all i am]

I have felt frustrated about the LOA. My new approach to see if the LOA works is to make the goals I set up have the highest priority in my subconscious. So instead of wanting something only as thoughts, I go into a deeper state that actually makes me feel that the new goal is MORE important than all my other goals. My initial attempts showed that this was not so easy to do in practice. Concerns about financial and social safety and so on are not easy to override in the subconscious. An example of this is: I will try to make money without having a job. When I listen to my subconscious I can hear: "Don't go in that direction! You will become a homeless bum. Stay with having an ordinary job. That's far more realistic and much more safe and secure."

G'day Anders,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1493

Here's a thread that can help you.

"I will try..." will not work. I AM is the statement that you require. The thread that I've listed will explain to you the reason why.


With LOVE.

[seanx]

Unfortunately, that's not how it's marketed. It's marketed as, "ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO YOU IS A RESULT OF YOUR THOUGHTS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT REALLY HARD AND IT WILL MAGICALLY COME TO YOU!"

Azure, you may have a point there. I think personally the book,
'The Secret' is very poor - it treats this topic in a very American
pop-psychology type format.

But the central idea is the most liberating idea for all mankind.

Look, we could spend lifetimes debating it - but the real joy of this
idea is that we can practice it, apply it and see for ourselves if it is
true?

In fact, this is the nature of the game we're in.

But we must remember it is NOT our thoughts that create our
reality, it is our deepest, cellular beliefs and feeling patterns,
90% of which we unconsciously inherit i.e consenual reality.

The hardest part is consciously leaving behind consenual
reality and holding the VIBRATION of what we do want.

Again, THIS IS David Icke's core message- and it is great news.

[limelady]

Thanks for your post seanx.

I need say no more. ;)

[domtak]

It's all very simple - you are what you think... if you're in a bad mood then it's just because you feel you are in a bad mood - you don't have to be - it's just a state of mind...

...easier said than done of course, but the principal is there.

Essentially, you are what you think you are. And you will attract what you want to attract.

There is no scam in those basic rules.

D

[i am all i am]

BELIEF IS ALL


ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS LEAD FROM YOUR BELIEF.


IF YOUR BELIEF IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, THEN YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND UNABLE TO SEE THAT WHICH YOU ARE OPPOSED TO.


YOUR BELIEF ALLOWS YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE THAT WHICH YOU BELIEVE IN HERE AND NOW WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.


THEREFORE, BELIEVING WILL ALLOW YOU TO SEE, AND THAT WHICH YOU SEE IS A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE.


TO MASTER YOURSELF, OR EXPERIENCE SELF-MASTERY, YOU WILL REQUIRE A BELIEF THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THAT IS.


THE BELIEF THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ENCOMPASS ALL THAT IS AND THEREFORE UNDERSTAND AND SEE ALL THAT IS, IS THE BELIEF THAT ALL IS POSSIBLE.


AS ALL THAT IS IS ALREADY HERE WITHIN ITS ENTIRETY, IT BECOMES YOUR CHOICE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THAT IS AND ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS.


TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS TO RECOGNISE, OR RE-COGNISE, THAT IS, ONCE AGAIN EXPERIENCE KNOWING.


TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS, IS TO ACCEPT YOUR TRUE SELF, THE INFINITE BEING THAT YOU TRULY ARE.


WHAT YOU ARE BEING, YOU EXPERIENCE, AND IT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE OF BEING YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR.


THEREFORE, WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BE WILL DETERMINE YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND ONLY THROUGH YOUR EXPERIENCE CAN YOU EXPRESS SELF-MASTERY WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.
__________________________________________________ _______________

NOW-The only time you can change

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WHAT TIME IS NOW ?

The answering of this question will show us how to utilise the tools available to create a change in our lives.

The experiences we create are a direct result of the way in which we interact through our thoughts, words and actions (mind, soul and body), with life. 'Now' is the culmination of all thoughts, words and actions, interacting simultaneously in an eternal cycle of change. The cycle of change is the reflection of the change of each individual thought, word and action, thus creating a new culmination (total) of all thoughts, words and actions, and therefore, experiences. Altering our individual thoughts, words and actions will create a new moment of now (a new total) to experience, therefore, as we change, so the world around us changes.

So what time is now ? We experience time in three distinct periods, the future, the past and the present.The future flows through the present and into the past. The future is always ahead of us until it reaches the present and is therefore unchangeable. The past has left the present and cannot be regained and is also unchangeable. The present (now) moment is the only moment that we can change as it is the only one that we are experiencing life through.

But what time is now ? Now is the part of time where you make YOUR choice. "I was..." will describe you in the past and you won't change there. "I will..." describes you in the future and once again you won't change there. By using "I am...", you are describing yourself in the moment of 'NOW', the present moment, and that is where you can make your change by making your choice on how you describe yourself.

By using positive affirmations of "I am..." you are vocalising (or bringing into action) a positive sponsoring thought about yourself. This thought will describe you in the 'now' moment and will bring forth your choice on who you would love to be. Therefore, 'now' is the time that you can change.

IF NOT YOU, WHO ?
IF NOT NOW, WHEN WILL DO ?


THE KEY

I AM ALIVE, YOU LET ME LIVE,
I AM ACCEPTING, YOU LET ME GIVE,
I AM OPEN, YOU REMOVE ALL DOORS,
I AM THANKFUL, YOU GIVE ME CAUSE.

I AM INSURMOUNTABLE, YOU BUILD ME UP,
I AM LIFE, YOU FILL MY CUP,
I AM LOVE, YOU SET ME FREE,
I AM THANKFUL, YOU CREATE WITH ME.

WHAT IS, IS NOW,
LET ME SHOW YOU HOW,
COME ALONG, ALONG WITH ME,
OUR LOVE IS THE KEY.

I AM EQUAL, YOU BALANCE ME,
I AM UNLEASHED, YOU GAVE ME THE KEY,
I AM ENLIGHTENED, YOU HELPED ME TO SEE,
I AM THANKFUL, YOU CREATE WITH ME.
__________________________________________________

This may help anyone wishing to put 'The Law Of Attraction' into practice.


With LOVE.

[azure]

But we must remember it is NOT our thoughts that create our reality, it is our deepest, cellular beliefs and feeling patterns, 90% of which we unconsciously inherit i.e consenual reality.

My main contention is the concept of Creating "YOUR" Reality -- you do not have a "reality" independent from the whole. There is only "the" consensus reality, of which you are merely a PART.

It's definitely important to acknowledge your influence through energy and vibration, but I'm just pointing out that you do not live in a bubble disconnected from the rest of the world and you must take into account the energy and vibration of everyone else as well.

[Anders Lindman]

G'day Anders,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1493

Here's a thread that can help you.

"I will try..." will not work. I AM is the statement that you require. The thread that I've listed will explain to you the reason why.


With LOVE.

Yes, the now is where change is happening. And "I will try" will probably not work. More chance of making change is: "I am trying". Even better is to actively work on one's inner state, such as:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/podcasts/Pavlina-018-Faster-Goal-Achievement.mp3

[mynameis]

It all depends on what your idea of the self is.

Maybe if you expanded your idea of yourself you would merely see yourself appearing before you as a manifestation of your creative ability as THE CREATOR / ALL THAT IS / GOD (or whatever name that you choose to use).


With LOVE.

Anima is what gives us our selves. Anima is as old as Shinto. Anima is not the Creator's existence, but the Creator's existence is as a void less realm in conjunction with everything. The Creator of this realm of infinite Nirvana draws in upon itself like a black hole which transfers energy back to the source of Anima itself. I do not exist, and neither do you. We are all mislead. Prove your existence to yourself is the modicum of "I think therefore, I am." Howerver, I have an Anima, a spirit therefore I am. I am part of this void less creator of all parts; the defined and the undefined. Working through me like all other spirits whether animal, plant, or mineral. The purposes for all life is helping to evolve the Anima and reflect good will. Creation is the penultimate action of good will. Some would argue futilely that destruction also can, but destruction is neither first nor the end of the main Anima of the Creator.

[azure]

"I will try..." will not work. I AM is the statement that you require. The thread that I've listed will explain to you the reason why.

Affirmations are pretty silly, man. Absolutely any changes you like can be made quickly, easily and instantly -- whether that's changing and/or creating a new behaviour, belief, feeling, etc -- with NLP. Your brain is a biological computer, learn how to program it.

[seanx]

It's definitely important to acknowledge your influence through energy and vibration, but I'm just pointing out that you do not live in a bubble disconnected from the rest of the world and you must take into account the energy and vibration of everyone else as well.

Azure, Yes, you have a very good point there.

As I said, the hardest part is consciously leaving behind consenual
reality and holding the VIBRATION of what we do want.

So yes, from that perspective, you are right - we are all deeply
influenced by the external reality we unconsciously find ourselves
in i.e all the belief patterns we inherit along with the colur of our
eyes.

And I think what DAVE Icke is saying we have to WAKE UP from all
these deeply ingrained influences - and see that they are not the
whole truth.

We have been 'fed' these influences and now they are literally a part
of our DNA.

So it's not going to be easy to re-member .

You say you can't jump off a building and fly.

You're absoluely right. For most of us, such a feat would go against
all our belief systems - and so we would all fall off the building.

Because that is our deepest beliefs - that's the reality we would
all experience.

But i'VE got a feeling, in a hundred years or so...it will be quite
common.

[i am all i am]

Affirmations are pretty silly, man. Absolutely any changes you like can be made quickly, easily and instantly -- whether that's changing and/or creating a new behaviour, belief, feeling, etc -- with NLP. Your brain is a biological computer, learn how to program it.

And so your belief of "Affirmation are pretty silly" becomes your reality, because this is what you believe.


With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

Yes, the now is where change is happening. And "I will try" will probably not work. More chance of making change is: "I am trying". Even better is to actively work on one's inner state, such as:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/podcasts/Pavlina-018-Faster-Goal-Achievement.mp3


"Try" will only allow you to try, not "do".

"I am creating wealth."
"I am wealthy."
"I am abundant."

It is the words that you use after "I AM" that are made manifest in your reality.


With LOVE.

[azure]

They're silly simply because there are much quicker and easier ways to attain results. If you're trying to change a belief:

1) Think of something that you believe absolutely, but that is non-emotional. For example, that the sun will rise tomorrow, or that breathing is good.

2) Think of something that you doubt (something that "ehh, might be, might not be", you really aren't sure about it), also non-emotional. For example, what you're going to have for supper tomorrow.

3) Once you've firmly chosen one of each category, compare how you represent them internally. Go back and forth between them and notice the differences.

What images represent that particular belief/doubt?
Is one a movie and one a still picture?
Is one more to the left and one more to the right?
Is one closer or farther away than the other?
Is one bigger or smaller than the other?
Is one more clear, or one more blurry?
Is one brighter, or one dimmer?

Are there any sounds? Notice the characteristics of them as well.

4) Once you've established how your brain encodes "beliefs" and how it encodes "doubts", think of something that you want to believe.

5) Once you've chosen, think of your new desired belief. Change all its characteristics to that of the "doubt" position.

6) Then, send it off into a point in the distance as if it were being pulled back like a slingshot... and BAM! Fire it into the "belief" position very quickly.

7) Repeat this several times until it sticks.

8) If you want to do the opposite -- ie, you have a limiting belief that you want to get rid of, reverse the process. Start it in the belief position and slingshot it into the doubt position.

9) Realize that real, profound and lasting change happens quickly and instantly and stop wasting your time with ineffective methods like endless affirmations.

Just a quick summary.

[i am all i am]

Merely believe that ALL is possible.

Then you can change what you choose to experience moment to moment with an affirmation.


With LOVE.

[Anders Lindman]

Just a quick summary.

Excellent stuff! I will practice it right away.

[stikmata]

They're silly simply because there are much quicker and easier ways to attain results. If you're trying to change a belief:

1) Think of something that you believe absolutely, but that is non-emotional. For example, that the sun will rise tomorrow, or that breathing is good.

2) Think of something that you doubt (something that "ehh, might be, might not be", you really aren't sure about it), also non-emotional. For example, what you're going to have for supper tomorrow.

3) Once you've firmly chosen one of each category, compare how you represent them internally. Go back and forth between them and notice the differences.

What images represent that particular belief/doubt?
Is one a movie and one a still picture?
Is one more to the left and one more to the right?
Is one closer or farther away than the other?
Is one bigger or smaller than the other?
Is one more clear, or one more blurry?
Is one brighter, or one dimmer?

Are there any sounds? Notice the characteristics of them as well.

4) Once you've established how your brain encodes "beliefs" and how it encodes "doubts", think of something that you want to believe.

5) Once you've chosen, think of your new desired belief. Change all its characteristics to that of the "doubt" position.

6) Then, send it off into a point in the distance as if it were being pulled back like a slingshot... and BAM! Fire it into the "belief" position very quickly.

7) Repeat this several times until it sticks.

8) If you want to do the opposite -- ie, you have a limiting belief that you want to get rid of, reverse the process. Start it in the belief position and slingshot it into the doubt position.

9) Realize that real, profound and lasting change happens quickly and instantly and stop wasting your time with ineffective methods like endless affirmations.

Just a quick summary.


From the cult of Bandler

:tu:

[tru3]

It ranks up there with "I'll die for all your sins", but yeah, its hook is an advertiser's wet dream; follow your feelings!

I hear people talking about this everywhere now, its become normal conversation at parties, at work, and most influentially as polite fodder mentioned in passing.

you know, after all this time, i've got a pretty good picture of what you don't believe, teslafire, but i'm not quite clear on what you DO believe.

let me be clear on where i stand. if i am deluded in your eyes, then it is a delusion of my own choosing. it resonates for me. i can stand on a rock and tell you i have consciously co-created a better life for myself. all the contrarianism in the world doesn't change THAT reality.

i AGREE with you that the loa is being manipulated by some. but everybody has the right to investigate their own path. pumping it up is just as bad as bashing it. there are some things about the loa that nobody talks about in all the typical rush to cash in. it's hard frikkin work changing subconscious belief systems. it takes a PRODIGIOUS AMOUNT OF ENERGY to manifest. hell, if it was easy as what they make it out to be on the secret, we would all be flying around in jet cars and walking on the moon by now. that doesn't mean it doesn't work; it just TAKES work; persistence, blood, piss and sweat!

i'm going on vacation for two weeks, so i plan letting all this soak away for awhile. maybe come back with some shares. have fun!

i consider this a way of life, not a belief system. there's a personal credo behind the loa, and and it's one i happen to practise not always successfully, but often enough:

"Law of One"

We are all One
When One is harmed, all are harmed
When One is helped, all are helped

Therefore in the name of Who I AM
And I AM One with All There Is
I ask that only that which is
the Highest Good of all concerned--Happen

what's your credo, teslafire?

[Anders Lindman]

Excellent stuff! I will practice it right away.

I found an interesting result. First I could sense the difference between belief and doubt. But then yet another thought hit me: "I who am doing this practice is MYSELF a firm belief". See what I mean? The practice in itself does not reach the root of my belief system unless I recognize that I myself is a part of the firm belief system.

[emma royds]

It ranks up there with "I'll die for all your sins", but yeah, its hook is an advertiser's wet dream; follow your feelings!


Well it's already working for me. The law of attraction is nothing new, it's just the title that is new. The L.O.A has been used by shaman, metaphysicians, occultists, Personal development consultants, psychologist and by many other people in other fields of work for a long time now. If you choose to ignore it completely, you will be losing out on an opportunity to enhance your life.

Knowledge is power.

[emma royds]

Is the Law of Attraction a scam? No.

its merely the renaming of a very old and very well known universal law known as karma.

What you sow, so shall you reep. Cause and effect, like attracts like.... Blah, blah...

If you haven't witnessed the LOA in your own life, then you must have been just as asleep as all those who are ONLY NOW beginning to wake to the understanding that they CAN begin to control their own experiences.

The Law of Attraction is a strong law.

Instead of calling it a scam, why don't you give it a try?

You MAY surprise yourself. Then again, you may not too, as it seems you already have a mindset on what is possible and what isn't, and the LOA appears to be on you "no can do" list.

Well said Limelady, people are seeing the current marketing of the L.O.A as a product to solve all your problems in a quick fix. In order for the L.O.A to work for you, you need to allow change into your life. what the L.O.A information such as the secret ect does is to inform you of how this universal law effects you and everyone else so that you can use it for your benefit. What good is wisdom without understanding.

[teslafire]

what's your credo, teslafire?
Never trust anybody that says they've got THE key to the truth.

This claim is the axis of all human deception throughout history.

Is manifesting real? I think it is, events in my life and prayer and placebo and reading tarot cards all have shown this to me. Does that mean thoughts, and the feelings they evoke, are the prime mover of reality? No, because personal experience has also led me to believe in God/higher beings that can see and structure reality, eons beyond human thought.

[teslafire]

Well it's already working for me.

How is it already working? Its always working, period....no? All you really do in your LOA research is get a better understanding of how it works...would you agree?

I mean you wouldn't say that gravity is already working for me, its a law all you did was notice it and communicate this given phenomenon...but yet you make it appear as if you need to train yourself to see this "law".

The law of attraction is nothing new, it's just the title that is new. The L.O.A has been used by shaman, metaphysicians, occultists, Personal development consultants, psychologist and by many other people in other fields of work for a long time now.

You're right but they attached a rider to the new package and that is that you're completely responsible for your own reality and that the collective consciousness is God.

If you choose to ignore it completely, you will be losing out on an opportunity to enhance your life.

Knowledge is power.

Jeez, I sure hope I don't end up in hell.

[thirdwave]

Lately there seems to be a huge interest in LOA (Law of Attraction). There are even people who make such fluffy statements as if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world. Not only is this naive but giving people a warped version of reality.

I am beginning to think that the LOA is the biggest con being manufactured to keep people in denial whilst brainwashing them into thinking that none of the negative stuff really exists or that there is in fact no out there.

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.


For me its completely and utterly real and makes %100 perfect sence. and its the reason the media are going so crazy in this day and age desperately trying to control our minds, because they understand the potential of them.

most people brush it off and cant comprehend it, after all it does not add up within a logical three dimensional way of thinking, so there for its not real...

also as a race we are driven by ego, so most people will not even get passed the "is this guy just ripping ME off ?, ME? im no fool and if this was real I would already understand it"


this comment you said "if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world" indicates to me that you are either ignoring parts of what the LOA is or not understanding them.... not once has the LOA EVER indicated that if you ignore something it will go away.... NEVER. this may have been promoted by the ood Burk on the old forum who was probably more intent on spreading disinfo than teaching the real LOA

the LOA is about what you focus on and project your energies on, manifest.... our actions are part of manifestation, so as many clearly explain, there is no point sleeping all day and dreaming it will all happen, you need to ACT apon it.
Its quite logical really.... if you want to be a top football player, you have to get out there and play football not stay in doors thinking about it.

when you said that comment, it really showed a lack of understanding on what the LOA is trying to explain...

if you want to make the world better then you look at it, and you manipulate it with your perception and your desire then with the realities around you that have appeared due to your reflection on them, you then have opportunities to do so and give others a chance to do the same....

Everything around you is just a reflection of your feelings and you vibration, and even if people don't understand how this can be so its still how they are and they are creating everything around them and if they think they are not creating it, then it will appear like they have no control and are not doing so.... if they think the law of attraction does not work and is false then this is what the LOA will create for them.... its always working 24/7.

and its only going to get more popular because we are in an age where man kind os evolving to a point it has not been at before, and the LOA is a reflection of this and more and more people will understand it over time, to the horror of the elite.

[thirdwave]

Because it's extremely misleading.





Not at all, its just you don't understand it, cant see how it can be possible..... its not misleading, many have felt its effects to full force including my self.

the problem most have is there emotions have been so fucked with that what they think they want to create is not what they really need or infact want, quite the oposit... (dont create love and dont be happy, then you cant be hurt) ....(dont try, then you wont fail) because people think they have control of the try, but dont have control of the fail.... people have become masochistic and feel unworthy of love and joy so they don't want to create it.... and I think this is more the problem than people not having a deeper understanding of the LOA, I think deep down people know it and feel it, its just them selfs they don't trust and would infact prefer something else creating for them... as Icke would put, My Design.

I actually find it quite funny when people compare it to Religion and Cults... as in reality its the misunderstanding of the LOA that has ultimately created the problem with religions and other cults!, the understanding of the LOA is what created "religion" the lack of understanding of it is what has made them what they are today

[teslafire]

this comment you said "if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world" indicates to me that you are either ignoring parts of what the LOA is or not understanding them.... not once has the LOA EVER indicated that if you ignore something it will go away.... NEVER. this may have been promoted by the ood Burk on the old forum who was probably more intent on spreading disinfo than teaching the real LOA

:confused:

"What you focus on expands."

I think its a safe leap of logic to assume that the corollary - What you don't focus on recedes - is a semantic stepping stone away from "ignoring"...

[seanx]

All this is just empty,dry intellectual thought, that could go on forever.

Lads, teslafire and all - try it out.

Reality is our laboratory. Our playground. Our experiment.

What if you try it out - and it works!

YES, IT is extremely difficult because it goes against EVERYTHING we
have been 'told' or indoctrinated into.

it goes against our common-sense reality - but we can't grasp it with
our minds - but with our feelings.

it's what you feel that creates.

Again - allow the possibility that things are NOT waht they seem.

[teslafire]

All this is just empty,dry intellectual thought, that could go on forever.

No its not, its called an intellectual litmus test, healthy discussion and argumentation...and you attracted/created it. :)

Lads, teslafire and all - try it out.

Reality is our laboratory. Our playground. Our experiment.

If it were ours, we'd own the deed, the building plans, and the progress reports of its construction.

What if you try it out - and it works!

I've tried it out.

YES, IT is extremely difficult because it goes against EVERYTHING we
have been 'told' or indoctrinated into.

it goes against our common-sense reality - but we can't grasp it with
our minds - but with our feelings.

it's what you feel that creates.

Focusing on something with diligence and discipline seems pretty common-sensical to me.

Again - allow the possibility that things are NOT waht they seem.

I ask of you the same, seanx.

[limelady]

Never trust anybody that says they've got THE key to the truth.

This claim is the axis of all human deception throughout history.

Is manifesting real? I think it is, events in my life and prayer and placebo and reading tarot cards all have shown this to me. Does that mean thoughts, and the feelings they evoke, are the prime mover of reality? No, because personal experience has also led me to believe in God/higher beings that can see and structure reality, eons beyond human thought.


Perhaps the LOA is part of the 'prime mover' within OUR universal reality.....or right here in what people call the matrix?


Outside of that? Well who knows for sure, but I see you believe in a god or higher beings you consider govens all? O.K. whats the difference in some people calling those beings higher consciousness? And if they (your beings) structure our reality, then they more than likely set this place up to start with huh? That being the case (say), then why do you think these much higher beings (architechs of the universe?) would have set us up here with the LOA if we went meant to learn to utilise it for the purpose of become co-creators, with them/like them?


Jeez, I sure hope I don't end up in hell.

Why would you say this to thirdwave? Scorning HIM with religious undertones when quite clearly it is YOU who believes in an all mighty higher being (God) who rules/dictates over all of humanity? This smacks of programmed religious ideas, and to me it sounds very much as if it is YOU who is frightened and are projecting your 'we can't step on the Gods toes' onto others. How ironic!

Your "God(s) sound a lot like the dictatorial creator gods of the old testament, whose powers and logic (we were told) should never be questioned.


You sound as though you feel quite powerless as a co-creator of your own reality, your own destiny, therefore I am left wondering if you were brought up within a religious environ?

[azure]

By the way, guys. Next time a close friend or relative of yours dies, it was your fault. You manifested the experience into your reality. Better watch your thoughts!

[emma royds]

Jeez, I sure hope I don't end up in hell.

Maybe you are already there.

[limelady]

By the way, guys. Next time a close friend or relative of yours dies, it was your fault. You manifested the experience into your reality. Better watch your thoughts!

Oh for Pete's sake, get a grip!

Your arguements regarding the LOA are about as weak as a virgin attempting to intellectualise what it might feel like to have an orgasm - everybody knows you actually have to HAVE an orgasm to know one.

It is obvious to all of us who know the LOA that you do not!

End of story!

[azure]

Well! Then why have you manifested and attracted my posts into your reality? Take responsibility for your experience! You're creating it.

[i am all i am]

If it were ours, we'd own the deed, the building plans, and the progress reports of its construction.


WOW !!!

This appears funny to me.

What do you think the DNA is Teslafire. It is "the deed, the building plans" and your experience is "the progress of its conctruction".


With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

Well! Then why have you manifested and attracted my posts into your reality? Take responsibility for your experience! You're creating it.


I accept that we have co-created this experience Azure.

You have shown up for the benefit of me to be able to discuss and explain that which I believe. Thank you.


With LOVE.

[limelady]

Well! Then why have you manifested and attracted my posts into your reality? Take responsibility for your experience! You're creating it.

Not even close to understanding it yet mate! ;)

Maybe one day.

[azure]

I accept that we have co-created this experience Azure.

Co-created! Exactly.

Not even close to understanding it yet mate!

Uh huh. So why don't you explain yourself instead of continually evading and feigning superiority through the vague, insubstancial "you just don't get it" tap-dance?

Maybe one day.

[i am all i am]

Co-created! Exactly.


Thank you for using the LOA with me.


With LOVE.

[azure]

Thank you for using the LOA with me.

Right. My contention is simply the term "create your own reality" being extremely misleading, with "co-create the consensus reality" being the more correct term. Would people not agree with that?

[seanx]

By the way, guys. Next time a close friend or relative of yours dies, it was your fault. You manifested the experience into your reality. Better watch your thoughts!

That comment is juvenile. You are hypnotized into the belief that
there is only one reality.

if your friend or relative dies, then any some level they have
chosen or created that - not you.

They have chosen to participate in your reality - and now they,
at some level, have chosen to depart it

You can't create and you are not RESPONSIBLE for someone else's
reality.

That's all control and manipulation - which is exactly what your
NLP brainwashing is all about.

Again, and the hundred times to say this - it's simplistic to just say
your thoughts create your reality.

it's not -- it is, as tru3 says your deepest subconscious belief and
feeling patterns - and it's not easy not only to change them - but
even to become aware of them.

Making crap comments that your thoughts will create the death of
your friends just shows you have NEVER really looked into the real
meaning of conscious reality creation.

it's ONLY beginning - 99% of the population think like you - and that's
why it is so difficult for most people to overcome the weight of this
heavy collective unconscious - and conciously create their reality.


No wonder Dave ICKE loses his rage sometimes. Even the people
on his own forum haven't got the slightest inkling of what he's been
trying to say for the past decade.

Your philosophy, sir is the dead philosohy of the Elite.

For centuries, through their false religions and now through their
limited sciences ( it's all in the genes, mate, -forget it, you're
powerless) they have been telling people reality is SET and
FIXED - it is UNCHANGABLE.

Just accept it, old boy. You can change a few
things - but that all. Know your place.

And now we have thier latest creation -NLP. If ever there was a
'matrix', science this is it.

it lets you change a few things, which it is very good at - but it
keeps you FIRMLY within the belief systems of the matrix.

But Again, you are fully WELCOME to your beliefs. It's your world -
but it does remind me of my old world
.

[i am all i am]

Do you find it ironic that here we are telling some people that they are powerful and they don't like it ?

You are an individuated aspect of ALL THAT IS.

Instead of putting yourself down and making yourself less, raise yourself up and believe that you ARE the CREATOR.


With LOVE.

[seanx]

My contention is simply the term "create your own reality" being extremely misleading, with "co-create the consensus reality" being the more correct term. Would people not agree with that


Azure, the problem is the consensus reality.

WHO'S consensus reality is it?

it's almost like a trap or as d. icke calls it the matrix that we are
born into.

'THEY' want you to believe that THIS is the way and the only
way there is.

But what if it is not?

And I think what is happening all around the world is that more and
more people are waking up - and re-membering something ELSE.

And are simply saying: there is more to it than this.

yes, they are only a tiny amount - and it is hard- because all the
'evidence' - ( all the results of previous distorted, implanted beliefs??)
goes against what we are saying.

So you have to ignore the appearances and hold to the vibration
until it becomes the materialized reality.

[azure]

That comment is juvenile. You are hypnotized into the belief that there is only one reality.

How specifically do you define "reality"?

it lets you change a few things, which it is very good at - but it keeps you FIRMLY within the belief systems of the matrix.

A few things? You can change anything about yourself with NLP. It does not keep you in any belief system -- on the contrary, it offers the possibility of having complete flexibility in your beliefs. NLP is simply a set of tools, a methodology for producing results.

What specifically is your experience with NLP?

it's not -- it is, as tru3 says your deepest subconscious belief and feeling patterns - and it's not easy not only to change them - but
even to become aware of them.

Beliefs and feelings can be changed quickly and easily. The unconscious is easily reprogrammed through hypnosis. What exactly is the issue?

Your philosophy, sir is the dead philosohy of the Elite.

Actually, CYOR is the philosophy of the elite. It's easy to be psychopathic when you believe that everyone else is just a projection of your thoughts -- which obviously not everyone does, but the philosophy when taken to its extreme and expanded to its full implications does indeed lead to solipsism.

[i am all i am]

A few things? You can change anything about yourself with NLP. It does not keep you in any belief system -- on the contrary, it offers the possibility of having complete flexibility in your beliefs. NLP is simply a set of tools, a methodology for producing results.

Actually, from your description, it was all about mind programming, which would keep you trapped within that belief system until you changed the program.

Personally, I freed myself from all programs and created a master program that is very simple. ALL IS POSSIBLE. With this I can instantly alter myself and my reality with any affirmation that I choose, moment to moment, without having to constantly repeat the affirmation. Very simple.

EDIT:- refer to post #24 as to the why and how.



With LOVE.

[thirdwave]

:confused:

"What you focus on expands."

I think its a safe leap of logic to assume that the corollary - What you don't focus on recedes - is a semantic stepping stone away from "ignoring"...

why do you think thats the case?, if you don't focus on something then you have less effect on it, this does not mean it will or will not expand or recede, the LOA does not mean that everything stops vibrating if you don't focus on it, its just it may vibrate out of sink

3D logic is not the only Logic there is, its just the most simple.

for example, one could ignore that one is fat and stop focusing on the fact he/she is fat, this would not mean they would loose weight... just means the fact they are fat would have less influence on their experiences.... it does not mean they would automatically start loosing weight.....

if they wanted to lose weight they would need to focus on losing weight and what opportunities arise that helps them do that to make it manifest into physical reality...

in the same way, making people ignore the Iraq war, will not stop it from going on and building, as thats allready in the process, already been created...

[thirdwave]

It ranks up there with "I'll die for all your sins"

Why?, Evil Arse holes can use the LOA to great effect and become extremely wealthy and powerful, they have been doing so for YEARS.

nothing to do with Sins, or sticking to a rule of behavior.... its science... its just more logical to create a loving world where you feel love and warmth as if thats what floats your boat.

[thirdwave]

Its hilarious haw people can use the fact that the Secret is glossy and just making money....

SO WHAT!!??, EVERYONE WANTS TO AND TRIES TO MAKE MONEY WHAT EVER THEY DO....EVERYONE. Because we have created a world where money is our lives.... How can you possibly judge people and info by their income?? its another way of saying you will only trust poor people...

If the secret has made millions why does that make it not real info?, and why has that made it so popular???? the reason its popular is because of word of mouth, not huge bill board posters on every street corner...

ok lets asume when they made the secret that the plan was to make millions, how does that prove its not valid info??, because its made by rich people?, if the video was crap and made by people with no cash it would then be good info?

who has made the rule that real info has to be free in this society, when fake info costs lots of money.... ???

and because the DVD is made to be very polished and smooth....again why cant real info be commercial as well!!???

people are so used to commercial things being used to sell shit.... that even when something which contains truth and info of spiritual benefit, people do not like it to be a glossed up artistic product!

I think the music is fantastic on it, i think the imagery is great, the people on it explain them selfs very well, and its a great DVD...

Im glad its commercial ...im glad its a commercial success and i hope from now on more of this info gets as much hype as The Secret

If they are making millions and always planned on doing so (which we dont really know), then im glad and i hope more DVDs like this make millions and more and more of this info gets out into the mainstream.

because I don't see why false info, lies, and govenment manipulation should have complete tabs on the mainstream and the real info must be left to people with a hand held cam corder recording session they uploaded on You Tube....

The Secret is not an introduction to the LOA it is just the most commercial and successful attempt to explain it.

there are loads of free LOA sources of info and some you pay for, does it matter??

on top of all that many scientists working on quantum physics have already made rediscovers about how our perception and thoughts manipulate matter.

it comes down to 2 roads... either except the possibility and explore it and begin to see it.... or reject it, and insist on sticking with the "its a mystery" concept, which is growing less and less tangible.

[emma royds]

I get the impression some people have used the L.O.A for a few days and maybe even a few weeks, and nothing has happened so they have dismissed it as nonsense. If you believe the law of attraction does not work, then it almost certainly won't for work you, however if you stick with it and be patient and drop the negative emotions you will start to see your life transforming, because you will start to attract the right opportunities for this to occur. The only thing you have to do then is make use of the opportunities you are recieving in order to reach your objective, your goal or your desire.

[azure]

Yes, our "perception and thoughts manipulate matter". You can "attract" things and/or events to yourself vibrationally -- through projecting your intent and training the power of your will.

Where the misleading comes in is the presentation of it being the "LAW" of Attraction. This implies that EVERYTHING that happens to you is a result of this, which is simply not the case.

And for "creating your own reality", let's use a metaphor.

You're in an open field with another person. This represents reality. Let's say there's some furniture scattered about. You decide you want the couch a bit more to your left, so you exert your influence on reality and move it.

But let's say the other person wants the couch more to the right. They may interfere with your "manifestation".

Why?

Because you're both in the same field (you're both a part of and interacting with the same consensus reality). Whose influence will prevail will depend upon the personal power of each individual.

However, the couch cannot move both left and right. Because you're not in your own, personal reality -- you are not disconnected from the whole, you are in the same field as everyone else -- the actions of everyone must be taken into account when considering the eventual outcome of a situation.

You are not the sole determining factor of your experience, though you can learn to exert great influence. There are always other variables at play that are beyond your control, and not acknowedging this is naive at best and dangerous at worst (false sense of security). That's all.

[i am all i am]

Yes, our "perception and thoughts manipulate matter". You can "attract" things and/or events to yourself vibrationally -- through projecting your intent and training the power of your will.

Where the misleading comes in is the presentation of it being the "LAW" of Attraction. This implies that EVERYTHING that happens to you is a result of this, which is simply not the case.

And for "creating your own reality", let's use a metaphor.

You're in an open field with another person. This represents reality. Let's say there's some furniture scattered about. You decide you want the couch a bit more to your left, so you exert your influence on reality and move it.

But let's say the other person wants the couch more to the right. They may interfere with your "manifestation".

Why?

Because you're both in the same field (you're both a part of and interacting with the same consensus reality). Whose influence will prevail will depend upon the personal power of each individual.

However, the couch cannot move both left and right. Because you're not in your own, personal reality -- you are not disconnected from the whole, you are in the same field as everyone else -- the actions of everyone must be taken into account when considering the eventual outcome of a situation.

You are not the sole determining factor of your experience, though you can learn to exert great influence. There are always other variables at play that are beyond your control, and not acknowedging this is naive at best and dangerous at worst (false sense of security). That's all.


Or, you could come to a consensus reality together and leave it where it is.

Or, it could be moved to the left first and then the right. This way both realities would be created.

And....


With LOVE.

[seanx]

zure posted;

A few things? You can change anything about yourself with NLP. It does not keep you in any belief system -- on the contrary, it offers the possibility of having complete flexibility in your beliefs. NLP is simply a set of tools, a methodology for producing results.

And;

Beliefs and feelings can be changed quickly and easily. The unconscious is easily reprogrammed through hypnosis. What exactly is the issue?

Reminds me when I once met another so called NLP master.

He said too that 'You can change anything about yourself
with NLP, and ' Beliefs and feelings can be changed quickly
and easily with NLP.

So I asked him to made a small cut on his finger and instantly heal it.

he has just told me that 'Beliefs and feelings can be changed
quickly and easily with NLP' so I said change the belief - and
let's see this reality.

But of course, now he said you can't do that because it is not
possible.

He said those things are not possible ' in this reality'....i.e the
consensual reality we're all born into.

Yet, I've seen it done a number of times in the US. And D. icke mentions
similar cases in Tales of the Time Loop.

However, it can only be done if you are able to disconnect your mind
and body from the laws of consensus reality that INSISTS this is
impossible.

But most of us can't because consenus, programmed reality says the
idea is ridiculous and if we buy that reality, as NLP does IT IS.

Practicing NLP is fine- it can help a lot of people - but it still keeps you trapped in this consensus reality.

And I think thirdwave is right. Although I don't like the book,
( haven't seen the film) - so what if it is promoted professionally - and makes lots of money?

it will at least get people thinking in a new way

[azure]

Uh, no. First of all, whoever you talked to, that was his personal belief and has nothing to do with NLP. NLP has no beliefs inherent in it. It is purely a set of tools, there is no philosophy involved. Not to mention Richard Bandler regularly teaches "psychic" skills at his more advanced seminars, and tells stories of his travels around the world and the miraculous things he's seen.

Secondly, it's not about "disconnecting from the consensus", it's about increasing your influence over the consensus.

Yes, you can heal your finger. A combination of belief, personal will power, skill in energy manipulation, etc. I'm not saying anything is impossible, I'm not limiting possibility. I believe it's possible for humans to levitate, manifest matter, anything.

But that does not imply "disconnecting". "Disconnecting" implies that you'd be off in your own world purely of your own creation -- there would be no other people, no other influences. Unfortunately, that's not how reality works.

Reality is fundamentally wave-forms of vague, infinite possibility. People can then project their influence onto this and solidify what becomes our "reality".

However, there's a WHOLE lot of other people contributing their influence to those wave-forms than yourself. You can train yourself to become more forceful and exert more influence on the wave-forms (reality) than other people and thus potentially realize your desired outcomes in this matter, but the influence of other people will always be there regardless.

[neutron flux]

Oprah's ugly secret

By continuing to hawk "The Secret," a mishmash of offensive self-help cliches, Oprah Winfrey is squandering her goodwill and influence, and preaching to the world that mammon is queen.

By Peter Birkenhead

'... The main idea of "The Secret" is that people need only visualize what they want in order to get it -- and the book certainly has created instant wealth, at least for Rhonda Byrne and her partners-in-con. And the marketing idea behind it -- the enlisting of that dream team, in what is essentially a massive, cross-promotional pyramid scheme -- is brilliant. But what really makes "The Secret" more than a variation on an old theme is the involvement of Oprah Winfrey, who lends the whole enterprise more prestige, and, because of that prestige, more venality, than any previous self-help scam. Oprah hasn't just endorsed "The Secret"; she's championed it, put herself at the apex of its pyramid, and helped create a symbiotic economy of New Age quacks that almost puts OPEC to shame.

Why "venality"? Because, with survivors of Auschwitz still alive, Oprah writes this about "The Secret" on her Web site, "the energy you put into the world -- both good and bad -- is exactly what comes back to you. This means you create the circumstances of your life with the choices you make every day." "Venality," because Oprah, in the age of AIDS, is advertising a book that says, "You cannot 'catch' anything unless you think you can, and thinking you can is inviting it to you with your thought." "Venality," because Oprah, from a studio within walking distance of Chicago's notorious Cabrini Green Projects, pitches a book that says, "The only reason any person does not have enough money is because they are blocking money from coming to them with their thoughts."

Worse than "The Secret's" blame-the-victim idiocy is its baldfaced bullshitting.

They maintain that the universe is governed by the principle that "like attracts like" and that our thoughts are like magnets: Positive thoughts attract positive events and negative thoughts attract negative events. Of course, magnets do exactly the opposite -- positively charged magnets attract negatively charged particles -- and the rest of "The Secret" has a similar relationship to the truth. Here it is on biblical history: "Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, and Jesus were not only prosperity teachers, but also millionaires themselves, with more affluent lifestyles than many present-day millionaires could conceive of." And worse than the idiocy and the bullshitting is its anti-intellectualism, because that's at the root of the other two. Here's "The Secret" on reading and, um, electricity: "When I discovered 'The Secret' I made a decision that I would not watch the news or read newspapers anymore, because it did not make me feel good," and, "How does it work? Nobody knows. Just like nobody knows how electricity works. I don't, do you?" And worst of all is the craven consumerist worldview at the heart of "The Secret,"

... Oprah has a reputation for doing good -- she probably has more perceived moral authority than anyone in this country -- and she has done a lot of good. But in light of her zealous support of a book that says, in this time of entrenched, systemic, institutionalized poverty, this time of no-bid contracts for war profiteers and heckuva-job governance, that "you can have, be, or do anything," isn't it reasonable to ask about why she does what she does, and the way she does it?

Oprah recently opened, with much fanfare, the Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy in South Africa, and as I watched the network news stories about it, I couldn't get "The Secret" out of my mind. I kept wondering what would happen if professor Sam Mhlongo, South Africa's chief family practitioner who famously said that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, read about Oprah's connection to "The Secret" and found support there for his claim. I wondered if the students of the academy would read "The Secret" and start to believe that their parents deserved to be poor, or that the people of Darfur summoned the Janjaweed with "bad thoughts." Will the heavier girls be told, as readers of "The Secret" are, that food doesn't cause weight gain -- thinking about weight gain does? Will they be told to not even look at fat people, as "The Secret" advises? Oprah is already promoting these ideas to her television audience. Why wouldn't she espouse them to her students?

...And at what point do we stop feeling like we have to take the good with the craven when it comes to Oprah, and the culture she's helped to create? I get nauseated when I think of people in South Africa being taught they don't have enough money because they're "blocking it with their thoughts." I'm already sickened by an American culture that teaches people, as "The Secret" does, that they "create the circumstances of their lives with the choices they make every day," a culture that elected a president who cried tears of self-congratulation at his inauguration, rejects intellectualism, and believes he can intuit the trustworthiness of world leaders by looking into their eyes. I'm sickened by a culture in which the tenets of the Oprah philosophy have become conventional wisdom, in which genuine self-actualization has been confused with self-aggrandizement, reality is whatever you want it to be, and mammon is queen...

... "Secret"-style belief is a perfect product. Like Coca-Cola, it goes down easy and makes the consumer thirsty for more. It's unthreateningly simple, and a lot more facile, sentimental and, perhaps paradoxically, intractable than the old-fashioned kind of belief. Like Amway, it enlists its consumers as unofficial salespeople, and the people who constitute its market feel like they're part of a fold. It's indistinguishable from, and inextricably bound up in, the Oprah idea of self-esteem, the kind of confidence you get not from testing yourself, but from "believing" in yourself. This modern idea of faith isn't arrived at the old-fashioned way, by asking questions, but by getting answers. Instead of inquiry we have born-again epiphanies and cheesy self-help books -- we have excuses for not engaging in inquiry at all. Let other people schlep down the road to Damascus; we'll have Amazon send Damascus to us.

That "Secret"-style faith, whether it's in God, or in one's own preordained destiny to be an "American Idol," which takes all of a moment to achieve, is perhaps its most important selling point. Here's "The Secret" on arriving at faith: "Ask once, believe you have received, and all you have to do to receive is feel good." The kind of faith that couldn't be reached by shortcut, the confidence of the great doubters and worriers, of Moses and Abraham Lincoln and Jesus Christ, has been replaced by the insta-certainty and inflated "self-esteem" of "The Secret's" believers.

Books like "The Secret" have created, and are feeding, an enormously diverse market of disciples, and they're thriving in every corner of the culture, in megachurches and movies, politics and pop music, in sports arenas and state boards of education. Oprah has far more in common with George Bush than either would like to admit, and so do the psychics of Marin County, Calif., and the creationists of Kansas. The believers come from all walks of life, but they work the same way -- mostly by bastardizing and warping source materials, from the Bible to the Bhagavad Gita, to make them fit their worldview.

The authors of "The Secret" sell "control" in the form of "empowerment" and "quiet" in the form of belief, not consciousness...

... Not that any of this is new. Aimee Semple McPherson, "The Power of Positive Thinking," Father Coughlin, est, James Van Praagh -- pick your influential snake-oil salesman or snake oil. They were all cut from the same cloth as Oprah and "The Secret." The big, big difference is, well, the bigness. The infinitely bigger reach of the Oprah empire and its emissaries. They make their predecessors look like kids with lemonade stands. It would be stupidly dangerous to dismiss Oprah and "The Secret" as silly, or ultimately meaningless. They're reaching more people than Harry Potter (which is no different than the Secret only evil). That's why what Oprah does matters, and stinks. If you reach more people than Bill O'Reilly, if you have better name recognition than Nelson Mandela, if the books you endorse sell more than Stephen King's, you should take some responsibility for your effect on the culture. The most powerful woman in the world is taking advantage of people who are desperate for meaning, by passionately championing a product that mocks the very idea of a meaningful life.

That means something.


Can we say Cointelpro?

[thirdwave]

Yes, our "perception and thoughts manipulate matter". You can "attract" things and/or events to yourself vibrationally -- through projecting your intent and training the power of your will.

Where the misleading comes in is the presentation of it being the "LAW" of Attraction. This implies that EVERYTHING that happens to you is a result of this, which is simply not the case.

what evidence do you have that this is not the case?

If It makes you feel better dont call it the LOA, thats just a tag it has.... call it human manifestation... or the living universe.....

creation of matter....

what do you mean we do not create things that happen to us, anything that happens to us ... what evidence do we have it has happend?

our minds.... our minds inform us it has happend.... its the only evidence we have, what is our mind? and what does it actualy do?because we do not understand the power of it fully we only excpet that the mind views and does nothing more ....

THIS is not the case, IMO and a growing amout of others, includiong many modern scientists, the mind actualy creates, we are not bodies that expiriance things that come to us from the outside .... we are HUGE vibrations with amazing depth and everything that is around is is just vibration in tune to what we are putting out...

do you really think you are perciving every single thing your mind is reciving and putting out?

IMO the reason this info is getting big now besides the internet is because many people are now perciving more from a 4th-5th dimentional view point, so common sence is changing... the 3D logic is a bit like looking at the Play Staion 1 after playing on the PS3 for a while...

A man can get cancer and think, I did not ask for this, i was being possative, yet he was in love with sucking in smoke into his lungs and enjoying hurting his body ....that is an intent, just because you want a fag and think it feels good it does not mean it is, its a infected thought...twsited.... and it does not mean the intent is good... if smoking really makes you feel good then why does one cough a splutter when they first try it and feel sick?, then they get used to it?? ..ahh thats ok then.

like I say, i think most people are masocistic.... they like to drink and smoke and numb their emotions... they like beeing treeted mean and kept keen....

its the state we are all in that makes the "LOA" seem hard to grasp, not the actuale concept its self...

[azure]

A man can get cancer and think, I did not ask for this, i was being possative, yet he was in love with sucking in smoke into his lungs and enjoying hurting his body ....that is an intent, just because you want a fag and think it feels good it does not mean it is, its a infected thought...twsited.... and it does not mean the intent is good... if smoking really makes you feel good then why does one cough a splutter when they first try it and feel sick?, then they get used to it?? ..ahh thats ok then.

Or a man can live a good life, truly think positively, honestly and fervently work towards his achievements...

... and then end up a victim of a random shooting or car accident. Guess he wasn't watching his thoughts, right? Because nothing can happen to you that's not a result of your attraction, right?

All those children being slaughtered in impoverished and war-torn countries, serves them right for "attracting" that experience to themselves.

[i am all i am]

Uh, no. First of all, whoever you talked to, that was his personal belief and has nothing to do with NLP. NLP has no beliefs inherent in it. It is purely a set of tools, there is no philosophy involved. Not to mention Richard Bandler regularly teaches "psychic" skills at his more advanced seminars, and tells stories of his travels around the world and the miraculous things he's seen.

Secondly, it's not about "disconnecting from the consensus", it's about increasing your influence over the consensus.

Yes, you can heal your finger. A combination of belief, personal will power, skill in energy manipulation, etc. I'm not saying anything is impossible, I'm not limiting possibility. I believe it's possible for humans to levitate, manifest matter, anything.


4) Once you've established how your brain encodes "beliefs" and how it encodes "doubts", think of something that you want to believe.

5) Once you've chosen, think of your new desired belief. Change all its characteristics to that of the "doubt" position.

6) Then, send it off into a point in the distance as if it were being pulled back like a slingshot... and BAM! Fire it into the "belief" position very quickly.


No system can have beliefs, only you can have a belief, and you are creating through, and because of, your belief system. A philosphy is exactly the same. It is yours, not NLP's.

By your description, you are encoding your brain to react in a pre-programmed way. This in and of itself is limiting. What if you wish to instantly alter the program that you are running ? Well, you'd have to go through the steps that you've mentioned. If you wanted to do this in an instant, you couldn't. You would first have to do your steps, and this will limit you.

Bruce Lee describes the use of forms (programs/paterns) and their limitations, and it is easily seen within a physical confrontation how forms can be manipulated against the person with the form. This is why Bruce said, "be like water". It can take on all forms and is fluid between those forms moment to moment.


With LOVE.

[seanx]

"disconnecting from the consensus", it's about increasing your influence over the consensus


That is the nub of the matter.

You're concerned with 'increasing your influence over the
consensus.

Which is fine, it's your choice-and I have no problem with that.

However that implies you will always be 'trapped' in it because that's
a lifetime(s) job - all the time trying to increase your influence
over the consensual reality ?

But what if the consensual reality is not real?

That's like fighting a shadow - it will take forever.

But David icke, i think, is talking about something completely different.

You must free yourself from the prision of the consensus reality
because the consensual reality you see all around you is simply
the beliefs of the elite or the ancient programmers materialized in form.

But you are taking it for 'real' - and then trying to 'increase your
influence' over it.


Imagine the Wright brothers only listen to 'consensual reality' before
they invented the plane .

'What are you doing'

'I'm inventing a machine that can fly'.

'God, that guy is mad. Everybody knows you can't fly. Show me proof'.

of course, he had no proof - he was simply able to disconnect
himself from what was then the consensual reality - and see
another one. But he created that reality.

Likewise david Icke was ridiculed when he steped out of consensual
reality and said that the solution to the Elite is not to fight them - but to discover the knowledge they use - and use it for ourselves.

That's all we're saying.

[seanx]

... and then end up a victim of a random shooting or car accident. Guess he wasn't watching his thoughts, right? Because nothing can happen to you that's not a result of your attraction, right?

All those children being slaughtered in impoverished and war-torn countries, serves them right for "attracting" that experience to themselves.

This is the same stuff that people like you always come up.

Of course, children or adults don't set out to attract these experiences -
nor are they responsible.

Because, like 99% of us - we are asleep - we are robots.

However, the results are the same even though we are unconscious
of what we are doing.

The sad thing is, like our physical characteristics - we inherit through
our cells all the fears and unconscious expectations of our ancestors.

And so the terrible reality you mention keeps been created, unless
as adults we wake up and change the beliefs and expectation of
what is happening.

But people believe the cause is outside -- and the terrible madness keeps
repeating itself.

[mynameis]

Try using the secret to gain wealth and fame by the end of today, then you'll know it worked. It's only promoting vanity people.

[Anders Lindman]

Like attracts like, or opposite attracts. Which one of these is it? It's hard to tell. In physics both statements are true, such as a negative charged particle attracts positive particles, while gravity works on the principle "like attracts like".

[teslafire]

Perhaps the LOA is part of the 'prime mover' within OUR universal reality.....or right here in what people call the matrix?

Outside of that? Well who knows for sure, but I see you believe in a god or higher beings you consider govens all? O.K. whats the difference in some people calling those beings higher consciousness? And if they (your beings) structure our reality, then they more than likely set this place up to start with huh? That being the case (say), then why do you think these much higher beings (architechs of the universe?) would have set us up here with the LOA if we went meant to learn to utilise it for the purpose of become co-creators, with them/like them?

If that's what you believe, follow your bliss. LOA as prime mover in the matrix...sure if that's what you want to believe I can't convince you otherwise even with obvious examples of flawed logic of this "Law", which you've surely seem me demonstrate.

I was asked why I believe certain things and I've laid it out. I'm no stranger to the LOA or to occult beliefs and manifesting. I believe manifesting exists and I could talk all our heads off with all my personal examples but that's not the point. The point is about claiming that 'attraction' echelons all of reality; and it doesn't as you've acknowledged, to a degree, above.


Why would you say this to thirdwave? Scorning HIM with religious undertones when quite clearly it is YOU who believes in an all mighty higher being (God) who rules/dictates over all of humanity? This smacks of programmed religious ideas, and to me it sounds very much as if it is YOU who is frightened and are projecting your 'we can't step on the Gods toes' onto others. How ironic!

Your "God(s) sound a lot like the dictatorial creator gods of the old testament, whose powers and logic (we were told) should never be questioned.

You sound as though you feel quite powerless as a co-creator of your own reality, your own destiny, therefore I am left wondering if you were brought up within a religious environ?
First off, it was addressed to emma royds. Secondly, you're making loads of assumptions...most erroneous and have nothing to do with what I said.

I was responding to an heir of pedantic condenscion that most LOA'ers seem to have in conveying their truth over others. Its like proseyltizing and I don't appreciate the tone. Hence the one-liner aside that you've interpreted as my ultimate religous philosophy. :rolleyes:

[teslafire]

Maybe you are already there.
Maybe you are being presumptuous and uncouth.

[teslafire]

WOW !!!

This appears funny to me.

What do you think the DNA is Teslafire. It is "the deed, the building plans" and your experience is "the progress of its conctruction".


With LOVE.

So are you saying we created ourselves before we were ourselves?

[emma royds]

Try using the secret to gain wealth and fame by the end of today, then you'll know it worked. It's only promoting vanity people.

Now why do I get the feeling you don't have a clue how the L.O.A works?

[i am all i am]

So are you saying we created ourselves before we were ourselves?

Not at all. You obviously didn't understand.

We are continually re-creating that which we are. Every cell is replaced over a seven year cycle. The body that you have now is not the same individual cells that you were born with. The new cells are built from 'the building plans' contained within the DNA. Your experience is "the progress of its conctruction" or re-creation over the seven year cycle.

I hope this helps you to understand.


With LOVE.

[Anders Lindman]

The law of attraction works on (at least) two levels: (a) the personal level, and (b) the global level. If you only have access to personal LOA, then you will find yourself struggling against the world, since the personal level is then disconnected from the global LOA. If, on the other hand, you only have access to the global LOA, then you will be a helpless "self-sacrificing" fool since you then have no personal will or aspirations.

The trick is to have access to both personal and global LOA as a unified force/tool.

[teslafire]

Not at all. You obviously didn't understand.

We are continually re-creating that which we are. Every cell is replaced over a seven year cycle. The body that you have now is not the same individual cells that you were born with. The new cells are built from 'the building plans' contained within the DNA. Your experience is "the progress of its conctruction" or re-creation over the seven year cycle.

I hope this helps you to understand.


With LOVE.

Hmmm....perhaps you haven't understood.

Did you make your DNA?
Did you create the building plans?

[i am all i am]

Hmmm....perhaps you haven't understood.

Did you make your DNA?
Did you create the building plans?

Of course. I am ALL THAT IS / GOD / THE CREATOR. Exactly the same as you. We all are.

We all, as the onness, created this illusion that is projected through the crystalline structure of the DNA strand. The projection is the low level, electro-magnetic, frequency pulse that is given off by the DNA. This is how you create your individual reality, through your individual projection.


With LOVE.

[oceano]

It is if you believe it is.

[cheeb]

Azure, Yes, you have a very good point there.

As I said, the hardest part is consciously leaving behind consenual
reality and holding the VIBRATION of what we do want.

So yes, from that perspective, you are right - we are all deeply
influenced by the external reality we unconsciously find ourselves
in i.e all the belief patterns we inherit along with the colur of our
eyes.

And I think what DAVE Icke is saying we have to WAKE UP from all
these deeply ingrained influences - and see that they are not the
whole truth.

We have been 'fed' these influences and now they are literally a part
of our DNA.
how are they a part of our dna can you loon at a sequence of the dna under a microscope and identify it as the deeply engrained influence genome
So it's not going to be easy to re-member .

You say you can't jump off a building and fly.
youde have to be pretty daft to try this why not try from the ground first
You're absoluely right. For most of us, such a feat would go against
all our belief systems - and so we would all fall off the building.

Because that is our deepest beliefs - that's the reality we would
all experience.

But i'VE got a feeling, in a hundred years or so...it will be quite
common.

a feeling based on what evidense

[Anders Lindman]

The law of attraction works on (at least) two levels: (a) the personal level, and (b) the global level. If you only have access to personal LOA, then you will find yourself struggling against the world, since the personal level is then disconnected from the global LOA. If, on the other hand, you only have access to the global LOA, then you will be a helpless "self-sacrificing" fool since you then have no personal will or aspirations.

The trick is to have access to both personal and global LOA as a unified force/tool.

Let's look at how this relates to the Illuminati. Is the Illuminati run by global LOA? Not remotely. They may apply the LOA in very advanced and powerful ways, but this is still only on the personal level of the LOA, except that now the "person" is a secret organization called the Illuminati. The same goes for governments, corporations and other forms of organizations. They all operate on the personal level of the LOA.

So now you can see that if you only work with personal LOA, and the Illuminati works with personal LOA, chances are that they will beat you most of the time since they are generally much more powerful on that level. And you can also see that if you connect the global level of the LOA, you have then access to a force that is much more powerful than even the Illuminati. Oh yes! :D

[bigus_dickus]

who tries to apply the l.o.a. within a belief system that does not believe it?

let's see...

i.

if you believe it, then it works.

and if you don't believe it, it doesn't work.

ii.

whether you believe it or not, it doesn't work

--

i.
if this is the case, then why are you telling people who believe it that it doesn't work anyway, because it didn't work for you? you don't believe it, correct?

ii.
if this is the case, then how do you respond to people who applied it and saw results? why were all these books written, who are benefiting from them, for who are they written? if it was pure fantasy and manipulative and evil, then how come there are still people teaching it and they are not in prison? after all, it is something that has never ever worked, correct?

[teslafire]

who tries to apply the l.o.a. within a belief system that does not believe it?

let's see...

i.

if you believe it, then it works.

and if you don't believe it, it doesn't work.

That's all good and well if you want to believe it but its certainly no standard to uphold a law by. If belief governed law, children would be flying about everywhere. Some people actually believe this to be possible and this is what alarms me deeply about this particular set of beliefs.

ii.

whether you believe it or not, it doesn't work

--

Its working all the time, so goes the argument. If you don't believe in it you are practicing the LOA, if you do believe in it, then you are; brilliant non-commital and undercutting claim to ultimate reality.

i.
if this is the case, then why are you telling people who believe it that it doesn't work anyway, because it didn't work for you? you don't believe it, correct?

I believe in manifestation and synchronicities and subconscious ordering of perceptions. I believe the eye of the observer plays a large part not only into conscious decision-making, but in allowing what options there are to be perceived and thus chosen from.

This is a far cry from the claim that belief governs reality. I think a fairer assertion is that belief contains your perception of reality. Does this change behavior, make someone more goal oriented, more confident (perhaps too confident)? Of course, and since it is emotionally based its very easy to leap to conclusions and convince yourself of an irrational truth because of the excitement and hopefulness surrounding it. Its the stuff of charisma, chutzpah, and we all know this is the quality of a pied piper.

[i am all i am]

I believe in manifestation and synchronicities and subconscious ordering of perceptions. I believe the eye of the observer plays a large part not only into conscious decision-making, but in allowing what options there are to be perceived and thus chosen from.

This is a far cry from the claim that belief governs reality. I think a fairer assertion is that belief contains your perception of reality.

G'day Teslafire,

Maybe you could have a look at 'The Forum Experiment' to decide whether the LOA works.


With LOVE.

[truthcommission]

...the reason its popular is because of word of mouth, not huge bill board posters on every street corner...
That could be more to do with a carefully orchestrated viral marketing push. Simply release the product to a few 'select' people to get them talking in advance of its release. There is a book called 'The Tipping Point' which explains that in every society there are certain people who have the ability to create 'mind viruses'. They are not necessarily famous or powerful people but sometimes that can help. It is not that hard to identify who these people are. All you need to do is get the product in front of them and let it take on a life of its own.

The Secret is not an introduction to the LOA it is just the most commercial and successful attempt to explain it.
The irony is that it doesn't even begin to explain the nature of 'reality'. It reminds me of another publication that some of you may have heard about called 'Unlock Reality' (http://www.unlockreality.org/). This book purports to unlock the secrets of the universe. No-one knows who the author is or where it came from. At first 100 copies were printed and handed to important people including the Dalai Lama who rejected it without even reading it. Lets just say that it DOESN'T even begin to explain the nature of 'reality'.

'The Secret' like 'Unlock Reality' (http://www.unlockreality.org/) is still locked into a primitive understanding of the universe. Not only that but it is asking people to 'trust the universe'. How different is this to any type or religion or cult? Behind our 3D universe are layers or different levels or reality occurring simultaneously. Intention can effect what is happening at one level of reality in a very crude way. But in order to really effect a layer one needs to understand advanced quantum physics.

Unfortunately quantum theory is still at a very crude stage to effect these para-levels or even to move between them. The LOA is not just a distraction but 'barking up the wrong tree' and one would even be better equipped reading the Upanishads to better understand the nature of the universe.

[eternal_spirit]

Or a man can live a good life, truly think positively, honestly and fervently work towards his achievements...

... and then end up a victim of a random shooting or car accident. Guess he wasn't watching his thoughts, right? Because nothing can happen to you that's not a result of your attraction, right?

All those children being slaughtered in impoverished and war-torn countries, serves them right for "attracting" that experience to themselves.

You got you're Pentagram the wrong way round matey! Are you trying to attract Satan into you're reality?

Creating you're own reality is a big part of Satanism, the power of the will isn't this the same as LOA? Willing things to happen with the mind to make them a physical reality?

The higher levels of the Nazis where well into this stuff, hmmmm just a coincidence that they would use the same reverse symbolism with the Swastika as you're Pentagram avatar?

[mynameis]

So how does the law of attraction work for cult followers? I know those people didn't ask to commit suicide. The Branch Davidian's, Heaven's Gate, and many others. It's vanity. Google fascism.

[i am all i am]

So how does the law of attraction work for cult followers? I know those people didn't ask to commit suicide. The Branch Davidian's, Heaven's Gate, and many others. It's vanity. Google fascism.

LOA works through thought, word and action. If you control someones thoughts, words and actions, then you will control their choice of experience.


With LOVE.

[mynameis]

LOA works through thought, word and action. If you control someones thoughts, words and actions, then you will control their choice of experience.


With LOVE.

So their minds were never free to begin with your, unclear?

[i am all i am]

So their minds were never free to begin with your, unclear?


?????????????????? What's the question ?

With LOVE.

[mynameis]

LOA works through thought, word and action. If you control someones thoughts, words and actions, then you will control their choice of experience.


With LOVE.

So their minds were never free to begin with your, unclear?

If a person attracts what they think (thoughts) about money, fame, fortune, friends that will come? Correct? So explain how people who follow cults attract these so called like minded individuals?

[i am all i am]

If a person attracts what they think (thoughts) about money, fame, fortune, friends that will come? Correct? So explain how people who follow cults attract these so called like minded individuals?
The Branch Davidian's, Heaven's Gate, and many others.

Also the Christian church, freemasons, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, etc., etc.

Pretty much everyone has gone throught the education system, where they have been trained to be followers and to not ask questions. A lot of those same people are looking for approval and to be a part of a group. Exactly like most people 'hung out' in groups at school and wanted to be part of the 'in crowd', part of the group. Offer these type of people approval and they will follow along to maintain that approval.

Others have had emotional and psycholgical scarring from abusive relationships. This could lead to depression and a lack of self worth, creating a victim mentality.

Others were brought up within the cult as children, religion being the classic example. A lot of freemasons join for business benefits (networking).

Each cult has there own way of attracting followers as well as similar ways to other cults. It would depend on the cult and the individual that they were attracting as to the specific circumstances of how they were 'attracted' to that cult.


With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

That's all good and well if you want to believe it but its certainly no standard to uphold a law by. If belief governed law, children would be flying about everywhere. Some people actually believe this to be possible and this is what alarms me deeply about this particular set of beliefs.

i don't know what you mean with the flying children there. a belief is a set of ideas that someone claims as the truth. these ideas derive from the universe itself and from its laws. the laws of the universe don't get created by these ideas, rather than these ideas interpret the laws.
people use them to interpret laws and apply this interpretation to everyday life, because where there is order, there are laws.

our thoughts and beliefs don't create "what is" (everything that exists), because "what is", exists before we were ever capable to think about anything. "what is", is the plane where we come in and apply our creations. "what is", is everything, including our world and all worlds, which is the base of "reality" that people experience, according to what kind of experiences they bring upon themselves.

the most confusing thing, is the concept of reality. reality is not god, it is not consciousness, the observer creator is beyond all realities and beyond all that is. reality, is what we understand of what can be experienced in life. what can be experienced, we call it "real", although it may have different interpretations and what cannot be experienced, we call it "unreal". thus reality, is everything that that we have individually experienced and what we believe that can be experienced, therefore reality is itself a changing sphere in size according to our changing ideas, beliefs and world view. because by changing these ideas, and by changing our perspective to "what is", we create new realities by creating new selves to contain our expanded consciousness.

reality is what is being observed and judged and questioned and transcended, so this change is not random, certain causes have certain effects, which means that there are laws that keep it in order and it doesn't dissolve in a flash.

now, if loa is for real, then we have 2 cases:

1. it is the only law that exists in the universe, therefore it is the law of the one. therefore it annihilates all other possible laws.

2. it is a law among many, which means that there are laws below it and laws above it, since it is not the only or the ultimate law. which means, that it is just another law to have in mind, of how the universe works. but, you can't ignore the rest of the laws there, if you intend to succeed in applying it consciously.

[mynameis]

Also the Christian church, freemasons, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, etc., etc.

Pretty much everyone has gone throught the education system, where they have been trained to be followers and to not ask questions. A lot of those same people are looking for approval and to be a part of a group. Exactly like most people 'hung out' in groups at school and wanted to be part of the 'in crowd', part of the group. Offer these type of people approval and they will follow along to maintain that approval.

Each cult has there own way of attracting followers as well as similar ways to other cults. It would depend on the cult and the individual that they were attracting as to the specific circumstances of how they were 'attracted' to that cult.


With LOVE.

So like with gangs or the Asian way of "saving face," pride has nothing to do with the vanity of perception? People perceive the group like the movie "Mean Girls" as one to aspire towards? I don't understand now. They, the elites call us, the population the herd. What do you think this mindless non-questioning leads towards as a group?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v7PUCpvCOJI

[i am all i am]

What you give out, you get back.

Why ?

Because all is one. You are only ever giving to another individuated aspect of the oneness. There are no laws. Why would we restrict ourselves. The Law Of Attraction is a man made name to describe the oneness and the process of how the energy interacts between each individuated aspect of the oneness.

How could you enforce a law onto something that has free will ?

Free will and law are two opposites. Duality is an illusion. All is one, and therefore, there are no laws. There is merely the interaction of individuated aspects of the oneness.

The only 'problem' with the Law Of Attraction is the name. A law implies that it can be broken. This is the misnomer. The name is incorrectly describing the oneness. This is why so many people have difficulty in applying it. If instead of Law Of Attraction, you used the name Process Of Creation, you would be describing the oneness with clarity. For the life that we are living is a process of change, a progression, a revolution (a circle), a continual movement. It is self perpetuating, eternal, it is ALL THAT IS.


With LOVE.

[mynameis]

What you give out, you get back.

Would you define this as worship v business? If this is all for business is misleading? Offering bribes or false sincerity for reciprocal behavior? Not that people aren't mean, but just that word sincerity is abusable. Ask people who trust others like Selena Quintanilla-Pérez. If this is just belief well that goes into worship, or doesn't it? I know we know nothing as Socrates stated, but we should help one another without thought for reward and without being insincere.

[john white]

I have felt frustrated about the LOA. My new approach to see if the LOA works is to make the goals I set up have the highest priority in my subconscious. So instead of wanting something only as thoughts, I go into a deeper state that actually makes me feel that the new goal is MORE important than all my other goals. My initial attempts showed that this was not so easy to do in practice. Concerns about financial and social safety and so on are not easy to override in the subconscious. An example of this is: I will try to make money without having a job. When I listen to my subconscious I can hear: "Don't go in that direction! You will become a homeless bum. Stay with having an ordinary job. That's far more realistic and much more safe and secure."

But concerns about money and so forth come directly from unconcious stress from our lower animal natures. Most westeners have barely had to miss a meal in their entire lives: but will debase themselves on their hands and knees. Take responsibility for ones own role in ones own life and we do not need to trade illusions of security for the reality of freedom

Become a bum:who ever said it was bad not to have money to pay out the demands of state and hold the system together? Now that kind of attitude (fear to be without a certain level of IOU's that have no objective basis of value, meerly the shared Illusion) is serious mind control

[Anders Lindman]

But concerns about money and so forth come directly from unconcious stress from our lower animal natures. Most westeners have barely had to miss a meal in their entire lives: but will debase themselves on their hands and knees. Take responsibility for ones own role in ones own life and we do not need to trade illusions of security for the reality of freedom

Become a bum:who ever said it was bad not to have money to pay out the demands of state and hold the system together? Now that kind of attitude (fear to be without a certain level of IOU's that have no objective basis of value, meerly the shared Illusion) is serious mind control

I know I have to look into my fear about money. But it is also a question of freedom. As society is today, without money, no real freedom. This view may differ from one person to the next, but for me I feel that money is one of the requirements for freedom.

Another even more difficult requirement I have is that I don't want to spend too much time in order to make money. Check out this totally politically incorrect article, which I don't fully agree with, but the basic idea that there is really no need to spend time in order to make money resonates with me:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/

[neondestiny]

This is "my belief" if it doesn't match yours then I do not apologise, but I understand completely, "what is right for me may not be right for you!" ;)
I have been using the LOA for many years (way before it became mainstream popularity) to enhance my life which in turn I hope will enhance others lives.
I have enhanced my own life first, as I believe it is most important to water your own garden before you can be of benefit to others, it is a very fine line to tread.
I am not materialistic, my core belief is that I already have and will continue to have all I will ever want and need, and coincidently I want for nothing.
Having said that I feel that the movie 'the secret' and other movies/lectures etc are just cashing in on a very old concept and getting the masses to focus their intent/energy on materialistic wants, which I believe in turn will be to our downfall as we move away from each other in bubbles of hatred, jealousy and greed.
I think people should understand that the material/physical world we are in is a passing phase and not what you will remember or be important when you reach the end of your days.
What will matter is how much and how well you loved and were loved in this existence.
Movies like the secret are just a distraction/diversion from this ultimate truth(in my honest opinion)
Just my thoughts
Brightest of blessings
neonxxx

[Anders Lindman]

the movie 'the secret' and other movies/lectures etc are just cashing in on a very old concept and getting the masses to focus their intent/energy on materialistic wants

Maybe so, but for me money is needed for true freedom. At least as society is today.

[seanx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
Azure, Yes, you have a very good point there.

As I said, the hardest part is consciously leaving behind consenual
reality and holding the VIBRATION of what we do want.

So yes, from that perspective, you are right - we are all deeply
influenced by the external reality we unconsciously find ourselves
in i.e all the belief patterns we inherit along with the colur of our
eyes.

And I think what DAVE Icke is saying we have to WAKE UP from all
these deeply ingrained influences - and see that they are not the
whole truth.

We have been 'fed' these influences and now they are literally a part
of our DNA.
how are they a part of our dna can you loon at a sequence of the dna under a microscope and identify it as the deeply engrained influence genome
So it's not going to be easy to re-member .

You say you can't jump off a building and fly.
youde have to be pretty daft to try this why not try from the ground first
You're absoluely right. For most of us, such a feat would go against
all our belief systems - and so we would all fall off the building.

Because that is our deepest beliefs - that's the reality we would
all experience.

But i'VE got a feeling, in a hundred years or so...it will be quite
common.

Cheeb asks;

a feeling based on what evidense

We don't have evidence.


But that is the nature of the matrix - or the consensual reality
we're in.


if you only look to consensual reality as to WHAT is possible
- then you'll be like a mouse going around and around in a
trap.

There'll never be progress.


What evidence did the weight borther have that a machine
could fly?


What evidence did Bell have that you could speak to people
over a wire - the phone?


These men looked beyond consensual reality.


They had a feeling, 'a knowing' - what we would call a higher
form of knowledge that transcends our usual concept of knowledge.


Likewise, I have no doubt in years to come, ALONG SIDE with
hospitals, we'll have centres where people will be shown how
to use their inherent abilites to heal and even regenerate
their own organs and bodies.


We are seeing glimpses of it now - and with most of the people
here who believe, in varying degree with the concept of
conscious creation - we don't know all the answers.



We still have lots of doubts about it ( 90% of the collective
unconscious still laughs at such nonsense) - but for reasons,
I can't explain I have absolutely no doubt - that this is the
next natural evolutionary step for mankind.


And it is POSSIBLE.

But if we use consensual reality as the ONLY judge of what
is or is not possible - then we will be struck in this 'matrix'
potentially forever.


We'll get no-where.

Are there dangers in this? yes. Wil people used this knowlege
WITHOUT TRUELY understanding and try to cure their illnesses,
it's alsmost certain.


Will some people abuse this knowledge and try to make money
out of it - again, there is no doubt about that.


But it is like fire, or sex. Sex can lead you to a physical union
beyond description or it can be used to rape a woman.


We must take the leap, even though we know every little.

[thirdwave]

Or a man can live a good life, truly think positively, honestly and fervently work towards his achievements...

... and then end up a victim of a random shooting or car accident. Guess he wasn't watching his thoughts, right? Because nothing can happen to you that's not a result of your attraction, right?

All those children being slaughtered in impoverished and war-torn countries, serves them right for "attracting" that experience to themselves.

.... how do you know that even innocent people that have died have not manifested the situations around him which lead to the shooting?? ...maybe worried about all the violence on the TV for a long while?

you have 0 evidence.... and also we only use 10% of our brains which leaves a huge %90 that we are not even conscious too....

you dont have to keep thinking of a gun to manifest getting shot.... you just have to manifest things building up to it, the feelings that getting shot dead ... would vibe up with... I also believe that death its self is a myth... we don't die and its not the end.... and even in some cases its not negative thing for someone... just their time to move on to other experiences.... I don't think anyone should fear death, as much as they should love life...

if you want it to sound as logical as your tea cup on your table then you may as well give up because it wont... you have to shift your belief system to have any understanding of it....

you cant see any color on a black and white TV.

[truthcommission]

you dont have to keep thinking of a gun to manifest getting shot.... you just have to manifest things building up to it, the feelings that getting shot dead ... would vibe up with...
You realise that you are opening yourself up to attack with this statement?

[thirdwave]

That could be more to do with a carefully orchestrated viral marketing push. Simply release the product to a few 'select' people to get them talking in advance of its release. There is a book called 'The Tipping Point' which explains that in every society there are certain people who have the ability to create 'mind viruses'. They are not necessarily famous or powerful people but sometimes that can help. It is not that hard to identify who these people are. All you need to do is get the product in front of them and let it take on a life of its own.

The irony is that it doesn't even begin to explain the nature of 'reality'. It reminds me of another publication that some of you may have heard about called 'Unlock Reality' (http://www.unlockreality.org/). This book purports to unlock the secrets of the universe. No-one knows who the author is or where it came from. At first 100 copies were printed and handed to important people including the Dalai Lama who rejected it without even reading it. Lets just say that it DOESN'T even begin to explain the nature of 'reality'.

'The Secret' like 'Unlock Reality' (http://www.unlockreality.org/) is still locked into a primitive understanding of the universe. Not only that but it is asking people to 'trust the universe'. How different is this to any type or religion or cult? Behind our 3D universe are layers or different levels or reality occurring simultaneously. Intention can effect what is happening at one level of reality in a very crude way. But in order to really effect a layer one needs to understand advanced quantum physics.

Unfortunately quantum theory is still at a very crude stage to effect these para-levels or even to move between them. The LOA is not just a distraction but 'barking up the wrong tree' and one would even be better equipped reading the Upanishads to better understand the nature of the universe.

No Quantum physics TOTALY backs up the law of attraction....what you and I think effectes atoms..... and everything is made of atoms, simple as that.

if you just want to poit at remaining questions and stay put thats your choice.... I think we should move on with the things we do know and find the other questions....

and if they wanted to make The Secret huge as some agenda they would have done an awful lot more.... relying on word of mouth is not the most sufficient way of doing it and books like "The tipping point" are not sold to people like the elite as they got all the power to push anything... If you dont want to trust the universe then dont ...good luck.

[thirdwave]

You realise that you are opening yourself up to attack with this statement?


not really, Why am i meant to feel guilty if somone has been shot now? ...purly by trying to explain the belifes i have in the unverse and how good and bad things come about into our lives??

If people get me wrong and take offense there is not much I can do about that.

a bit like when you get attacked for attacking bush and being "un patriotic" or attack Jesus and get labeled a Satanist all because people wont understand what you are saying....

[intruder]

Well, the SELLING of the idea from various authors including Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra to name a couple has certainly attracted more abundance their way...so in one sense...it works. What bothers me about "attracting abundance" is that the authors NEVER address the fiat money system itself, which reaps tremendous profits for the system while placing an ever increasing burden upon the "little guy". They treat it as if "it's all good"..etc. Never informing their audience that we are labouring under a scam...a sham...an engineered plan.

I mean, if you "become what you think about", I'm amazed that I didn't turn into a woman during my teen years! :)

[myeika]

BELIEF IS ALL


ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS LEAD FROM YOUR BELIEF.


IF YOUR BELIEF IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, THEN YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND UNABLE TO SEE THAT WHICH YOU ARE OPPOSED TO.


YOUR BELIEF ALLOWS YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE THAT WHICH YOU BELIEVE IN HERE AND NOW WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.


THEREFORE, BELIEVING WILL ALLOW YOU TO SEE, AND THAT WHICH YOU SEE IS A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE.


TO MASTER YOURSELF, OR EXPERIENCE SELF-MASTERY, YOU WILL REQUIRE A BELIEF THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THAT IS.


THE BELIEF THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ENCOMPASS ALL THAT IS AND THEREFORE UNDERSTAND AND SEE ALL THAT IS, IS THE BELIEF THAT ALL IS POSSIBLE.


AS ALL THAT IS IS ALREADY HERE WITHIN ITS ENTIRETY, IT BECOMES YOUR CHOICE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THAT IS AND ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS.


TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS TO RECOGNISE, OR RE-COGNISE, THAT IS, ONCE AGAIN EXPERIENCE KNOWING.


TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS, IS TO ACCEPT YOUR TRUE SELF, THE INFINITE BEING THAT YOU TRULY ARE.


WHAT YOU ARE BEING, YOU EXPERIENCE, AND IT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE OF BEING YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR.


THEREFORE, WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BE WILL DETERMINE YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND ONLY THROUGH YOUR EXPERIENCE CAN YOU EXPRESS SELF-MASTERY WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.


Yes Yes Yes......................

Thank you for sharing this truth with us..................

[i am all i am]

Yes Yes Yes......................

Thank you for sharing this truth with us..................

You're welcome Myeika.

Thank you for recognising it.


With LOVE.

EDIT:- This is post 555 for me. 5 = LOVE. So, LOVE LOVE LOVE. 5 + 5 + 5 =15. ONE LOVE. 1 + 5 = 6 CREATIVE.
So...... LOVE LOVE LOVE (mind body soul or thought action word) is ONE LOVE and CREATIVE.
Funny coincidence, or maybe a synchronicity ???
I believe ALL is possible.

[thirdwave]

Well, the SELLING of the idea from various authors including Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra to name a couple has certainly attracted more abundance their way...so in one sense...it works. What bothers me about "attracting abundance" is that the authors NEVER address the fiat money system itself, which reaps tremendous profits for the system while placing an ever increasing burden upon the "little guy". They treat it as if "it's all good"..etc. Never informing their audience that we are labouring under a scam...a sham...an engineered plan.

I mean, if you "become what you think about", I'm amazed that I didn't turn into a woman during my teen years! :)

money does not have to be evil, no matter who created and it and where it comes from... we are the ones that create the value of it and the nature in how it is used....... its only evil because of greed and the way we deal with it...

this is the whole point.... whats wrong with making money out of letting people know they can be free if they want? that is like a bug in the matrix.... people making money by trying to get people to make money at the bottom of the pyramid...

The more easy you are with money the more money is easy with you...

you can look at rich people who are as tight as a chimps arse.... but are they free?? ... their every thought is about how they might loose of gain money... they are consumed by it %100, its more important to them than life its self, even though they supposedly have a good life because of the money...

because thats the only way money can come into their lives and its how money goes out of their lives... but I don't think it has to be like that...

[mynameis]

Monopoly Money, credit, credit cards, banks, taxes, and lastly price gougers not necessarily in that order mind you.

[Anders Lindman]

Attracting money is THE ONLY THING that has any meaning. Attracting health is just silly since the body can heal itself just fine, thank you very much. And attracting relationships is equally stupid since relationships are not something that you can own like possessions.

[bigus_dickus]

Attracting money is THE ONLY THING that has any meaning. Attracting health is just silly since the body can heal itself just fine, thank you very much. And attracting relationships is equally stupid since relationships are not something that you can own like possessions.

what can you own and possess and for how long?

if tomorrow morning, you had all the money you ever desired, then wouldn't there be anything else to attract?

[Anders Lindman]

what can you own and possess and for how long?

if tomorrow morning, you had all the money you ever desired, then wouldn't there be anything else to attract?

There would then be a kind of mutual attraction between me and the external world. So it would not really be me trying to suck something from the world.

[Anders Lindman]

Maybe the trick is to use the LOA not from a state of lack, but from a state of want. The now is already whole and doesn't lack ANYTHING. I and the now are not two. I and the now are one. So perhaps it's a huge mistake to believe that there can be any form of lack at all.

[i am all i am]

Maybe the trick is to use the LOA not from a state of lack, but from a state of want. The now is already whole and doesn't lack ANYTHING. I and the now are not two. I and the now are one. So perhaps it's a huge mistake to believe that there can be any form of lack at all.

Now you're cooking with gas !

Only thing is, if you 'want' for something, you will attract wanting. The universe will reply to your wanting in kind, and that's what you'll receive. It would benefit you to come from a state of LOVE, for LOVE lacks for nothing.


With LOVE.

[Anders Lindman]

if you 'want' for something, you will attract wanting.

Yes, I totally agree. And this is also what many people have said. For the LOA to really work, it must probably be some form of 'just do it' as in the Nike slogan. Or as Yoda said, something like: "there is no try".

[thirdwave]

money is the best way to get the message across...

if you say to someone you can have anything you want... how many would say ..i want 2 million in the bank?... pretty much all of them... so thats why it goes into that, its the most general desire of so many.......

[i am all i am]

Yes, I totally agree. And this is also what many people have said. For the LOA to really work, it must probably be some form of 'just do it' as in the Nike slogan. Or as Yoda said, something like: "there is no try".

G'day Anders,

Yoda - Do, or do not. There is no try.

Here's a little story from the Karate Kid that explains the same thing.

Mr Miyagi - Ready?
Daniel - Yeah, I guess so.
Mr Miyagi - Daniel-san, must talk. Walk on road. Walk right side, safe. Walk left side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, you get squished just like grape. Here, karate same thing. Either you karate do, yes, or karate do, no. You karate do, "guess so," just like grape. Understand?
Daniel - Yeah, I understand.


With LOVE.

[limelady]

Mr Miyagi - Ready?
Daniel - Yeah, I guess so.
Mr Miyagi - Daniel-san, must talk. Walk on road. Walk right side, safe. Walk left side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, you get squished just like grape. Here, karate same thing. Either you karate do, yes, or karate do, no. You karate do, "guess so," just like grape. Understand?
Daniel - Yeah, I understand.

Haha.....yes I remember that!

I loved that movie!

[i am all i am]

Haha.....yes I remember that!

I loved that movie!

G'day
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/MDG/MDG372/MED323066.jpg lady,

BONSAI !!!


With LOVE.

[Anders Lindman]

Walk on road. Walk right side, safe. Walk left side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, you get squished just like grape.

Many people who try the LOA, including myself, seem to walk middle. Squished like grapes, we'll get. Not good! :eek:

[multiverse]

Dear All,

I find it strange that "The Secret" has become so popular. Curiously, some friends of ours invited us to see a summary of The Secret on the DVD. What struck me was that the presenter suggested that you needed to watch the film numerous times to change your life. My question is what programming is in the film. With the advanced technology that exists today for subliminals, what messages might be hidden in it? The symbols used on the cover of the film include a serpent in red, and while the presenter speaks in the summary, there is an all-seeing eye behind him.

Does anyone have the equipment to play the film in reverse to see if they find anything that way?

For me, there is definite truth in LOA, but I question the popularity and marketing of this presentation of it. ... again, distraction...

All the best.

[Anders Lindman]

My question is what programming is in the film.

I can answer that question quite readily. See through subliminal programming, I can. :D To hide something most effectively you put it into plain view. What do they put in plain view in The Secret? Well, money of course! If you watch this movie too much you will, if you are not alert enough, be programmed to think that money is not the most important thing for you personally to use the LOA for. You will believe that everybody else will use the LOA for attracting money, but that you yourself are above such greediness. At the same time EVERYBODY ELSE who has been brainwashed by The Secret WILL THINK EXACTLY THE SAME THING!

[Anders Lindman]

The Secret targets people with New Age beliefs. Christians have already been dealt with through these words in the Bible: "You cannot serve both God and Money". On the conscious level, the poor Christian sucker thinks that God is real, and will serve that conditioned mental pattern, while on the subconscious level the Christian will think that money is more concrete and real and deffenetly having more substance than God. Looooooooosers!!!! :D :D :D

[seamus]

My main contention is the concept of Creating "YOUR" Reality -- you do not have a "reality" independent from the whole. There is only "the" consensus reality, of which you are merely a PART.

It's definitely important to acknowledge your influence through energy and vibration, but I'm just pointing out that you do not live in a bubble disconnected from the rest of the world and you must take into account the energy and vibration of everyone else as well.

Sorry folks... late to the party again. I was too busy watching it rain in Wagga Wagga. *highfive intenders*

Anyways... I want to address the contention that there is "a" consensus reality. Perception is such a powerful influence on what we see and feel as real, that there can be no total consensus. That's partly what quantum physics is telling us.

Now yes, if it's raining, it's raining. and if the drips are 3mm wide, then that's how big they are.

But there are states of consciousness in which I have been without the use of drugs, which caused me to see things and perceive them in a very different unusual way. The Truman Show, for example, rocked my world and may have even induced an acid flashback. I don't know if that is possible after 9 years of not touching the stuff... All I know is that I found myself at the border between 2 worlds, and I could almost touch it. Yes this was in the "nonphysical" realm, but the fact that it was perceived means that it had a reality to it. Now, someone else in a much less attuned state of consciousness would not have even noticed anything. We never do, do we? Unless we intentionally take a walk down trippy lane we don't see or feel things like that. But does that make it not real? No.

There are worlds of realities right in front of us all the time that go totally unnoticed by us.

The power of the mind is such that it can affect things. I agree that there are some who are rallying behind LOA as a panacea. This is typical addict behavior. LOA happens to be the latest fix. An Arabian psychic friend of mine (I mention his race bcs it is important that he is not affected by christian dogma) once told me "the most powerful thing on the earth is your brain. You can do anything with it. You can move objects or create things with it. But it's so hard to just believe that, most of us never do it"

He was one who consistently picked the lottery numbers right, just for fun, because he believed that his power would leave him if he tried to gain money by it. So I tend to believe what he said.

Where was I ? oh yeah. Your objections are well founded, but they are not really present behaviors in most or all who read here. So it kinda comes off strange. I think that perhaps clouds the waters a bit. But it's great discussion!

s

[truthcommission]

For me, there is definite truth in LOA, but I question the popularity and marketing of this presentation of it. ... again, distraction...

This is what I am concerned about. Here is a quote from a member of their forum (http://thesecret.powerfulintentions.com/forum/thesecret/message-view/1357828). I find the choice of words very telling...

One "secret" that the founders of this forum seem to have discovered is how to create one of the most interesting forums on the internet. I so enjoy reading your posts, and it (the Secret forum) keeps me from taking life too seriously.

It is this bury your head in the sand mentality which is encouraged and widespread amongst people who buy into products like The Secret. Distract them from the hidden agenda, charge them for useless products which convince you that manifesting 'wealth' or 'love' is all there is.

It is no secret to find who is behind its production. Producer Rhonda Byrne launched Prime Time Productions in 1994, having been a senior producer for Australia's Nine Network (seriously neo conservative channel), with 20 years experience in commercial television production. But what is quite revealing is that in the same thread you have people calling for the producers identities to be made secret to give The Secret more mystery. Its like they know they have been hoodwinked and want to hide the evidence of the hoodwink.

I would be interested to see what emerges by deconstructing the DVD as multiverse suggested and uncovering any hidden subliminals or other forms of mind control such as repetition.

What struck me was that the presenter suggested that you needed to watch the film numerous times to change your life.

[Anders Lindman]

So, now we can answer the question: Is the LOA the greatest mind-control scam?

The answer is that at least The Secret seems to be one of the latest links in the money scam. The Bible is an earlier link.

Christians will with their conscious mind think that God is more important than money, while at the same time, on a subconscious level think that money is more important than God.

New Agers with their conscious mind think that love and ideals are more important than money, while at the same time, on a subconscious level think that money is more important than love and ideals.

[seamus]

I kept asking myself watching them flip through piles of money over and over "why the hell are they focusing on MONEY????? Don't they realize it's only a MEANS? Why mess with the middleman when you can go for the END?"

anyways yeah I found myself saying truthfully "I won't use it for more money than I desire" HAHAHA! But hey, I'm not really a materialist anyway.


s

[Anders Lindman]

"why the hell are they focusing on MONEY????? Don't they realize it's only a MEANS? Why mess with the middleman when you can go for the END?"


Money IS the end. But they try to hide that fact. You cannot use material things to buy people's effort and time, or at least it's much more difficult to use material things instead of money to get people to work for you.

[Anders Lindman]

"I won't use it for more money than I desire"

I don't know if you noticed how what you wrote above actually allows for using the LOA for attracting limitless amounts of money. The "I desire" part has no limit.

[seamus]

Yes. I didn't say I was closing the door on it. That would be silly. Besides I am gonna go hang with Justis Chase, and learn real manifesting :) My desire for money does have a limit, you might be surprised to know.



s

[Anders Lindman]

Yes. I didn't say I was closing the door on it. That would be silly. Besides I am gonna go hang with Justis Chase, and learn real manifesting :) My desire for money does have a limit, you might be surprised to know.

s

I think in most people, the conscious mind has the craving for money on a leash. But people who run big corporations cannot be allowed to have such a restraint. Instead, in the old-school corporate world, it's imperative that people chosen for position of power have an insatiable thirst for money.

[myeika]

Hi......

I have re-read this thread again this morning.....as like many on this forum I learn from here, and grow....... I have found it very interesting and if I may I would like to share some of my thoughts, views and beliefs with you now.....



Christians will with their conscious mind think that God is more important than money, while at the same time, on a subconscious level think that money is more important than God.


New Agers with their conscious mind think that love and ideals are more important than money, while at the same time, on a subconscious level think that money is more important than love and ideals.

Hi Anders......mmmmm... I did the religion stuff and moved on..... I suppose you could say I became one of the 'New Agers' years ago....but have moved on......Where am I now. what am I now, what do I want now???? these are all questions that have come to my mind reading this thread......

To me the secret is just a example of something that is there for everyone to use..............I personally feel it is a good film for people who dont remember stuff...people who want to remember more.....

I can see how it can be abused I can also see how it works.....

To me the bottom line is how it could be used...... Yes they might be going on about money and wealth....... But in my reality.....money is not the main importance....what you do with your time here is..... which I feel is a similar view to what many people have now....I have the desire to live my time here sharing love and being happy.....and experiancing all that I AM....

Sorta like what neon says here......

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This is "my belief" if it doesn't match yours then I do not apologise, but I understand completely, "what is right for me may not be right for you!" ;)
I have been using the LOA for many years (way before it became mainstream popularity) to enhance my life which in turn I hope will enhance others lives.
I have enhanced my own life first, as I believe it is most important to water your own garden before you can be of benefit to others, it is a very fine line to tread.
I am not materialistic, my core belief is that I already have and will continue to have all I will ever want and need, and coincidently I want for nothing.<<<<<snip>>>>>>
I think people should understand that the material/physical world we are in is a passing phase and not what you will remember or be important when you reach the end of your days.
What will matter is how much and how well you loved and were loved in this existence.
neonxxx


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To be able to 'believe' and 'know' that anything is possible is a big step for a lot of people.....One which, like some of you on here, has been easy...easy for me because I have been doing it with out knowing I have....I now am able to understand beeter what I have been doing and how I can create things a little different now having/remembering this knowledge and the power I actually have!.....


I had to add this quote in as it made me lol....


I mean, if you "become what you think about", I'm amazed that I didn't turn into a woman during my teen years! :)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D :D coo..... Good job it isn't just about what you think about init!!!!!!!

Dear All,

I find it strange that "The Secret" has become so popular. Curiously, some friends of ours invited us to see a summary of The Secret on the DVD. What struck me was that the presenter suggested that you needed to watch the film numerous times to change your life.

Yes I picked up on that too..... my view on it is this..... when I watch this film or what the bleep, or even a David Icke film, I have to watch it numerous times, as each time a bit of information I missed before seems to come to my attention.... these films have so, so much information in them and I for one can not take it all in just watching it once.....or I may be wrong maybe.....

My question is what programming is in the film. With the advanced technology that exists today for subliminals, what messages might be hidden in it? The symbols used on the cover of the film include a serpent in red, and while the presenter speaks in the summary, there is an all-seeing eye behind him.
Does anyone have the equipment to play the film in reverse to see if they find anything that way?


This would be interesting to find out....maybe there is, maybe there isn't....I am just pleased I saw it, and pleased that this disscusion has been on the forum, and pleased that I can share with you all.....


Thank you

[Anders Lindman]

Yes they might be going on about money and wealth....... But in my reality.....money is not the main importance....what you do with your time here is.....

Now you are falling into the trap of The Secret. The reason The Secret talks about money is to make people stay away from having power over it. As David Icke says, what is black is white, and what is white is black in the Illuminati scheme/symbolism. They want you to believe that money is of secondary importance, while at the same time, you know, deep down on a subconscious level, that money is of primary importance.

[thirdwave]

Dear All,

I find it strange that "The Secret" has become so popular. Curiously, some friends of ours invited us to see a summary of The Secret on the DVD. What struck me was that the presenter suggested that you needed to watch the film numerous times to change your life. My question is what programming is in the film. With the advanced technology that exists today for subliminals, what messages might be hidden in it? The symbols used on the cover of the film include a serpent in red, and while the presenter speaks in the summary, there is an all-seeing eye behind him.

Does anyone have the equipment to play the film in reverse to see if they find anything that way?

For me, there is definite truth in LOA, but I question the popularity and marketing of this presentation of it. ... again, distraction...

All the best.

if you are concerned about that, I would not worry about a DVD that has got loads of attention on the internet.. I would never watch the News again and pretty much burn your TV.

I don't feel TV has any more effect on my self...

I can understand why its good to watch the DVD more than once... its because its like learning anything... you need to take it all in and you cant always do it on one watch..... when you have more of an understanding on how deep it goes and how it works then you can watch it again and pick up on more points that you might not have understood before...

[thirdwave]

Reading this thread, I just hope people do not listen to us here and judge it, I think people should watch with an open mind and see if the info makes sence to them.... and I hope we never come into an age where people are not free to watching this stuff and make their own mind on it....

as it stands people have had the chance to see it, and for the first time this out of the box spiritual way of thinking is actually making sence to many people which is why the DVD is so popular, yes people are knocking it, but also people are very open to it, not because they see it as a new discovery but because it confirms and relates so strongly to they way they have always perceived life...

if it does not make sence to you or seems like a scam, then walking away from it should not really effect you... its not as if "The Secret" is going to lead people into a 3rd World War.... infact quite the opposite.

and remember, if you don't think you have control of your experiences and its not you who create your opportunities in life, then that is your reality and thats the way you will have your life be presented to you... this is not a threat or a rule you are not following.... its actually giving you the freedom to create what you want and to do so by what you believe....

[friendsinthesky]

and for the first time this out of the box spiritual way of thinking is actually making sence to many people which is why the DVD is so popular

For someone who hasn't watched the dvd but I do hope to see-it, can you tell me, in what way is it [a spiritual way of thinking?] thanks in advance.

[bigus_dickus]

Now you are falling into the trap of The Secret. The reason The Secret talks about money is to make people stay away from having power over it. As David Icke says, what is black is white, and what is white is black in the Illuminati scheme/symbolism. They want you to believe that money is of secondary importance, while at the same time, you know, deep down on a subconscious level, that money is of primary importance.

you are dealing with this movie, as if it is a gospel. maybe some people think that it is a gospel, but a lot of people take a lot of stuff as doctrine and believe literally anything.

i mean, it is just a movie. it is no more movie than the "300" movie, no less movie than it, it contains no more or less info than any other movie if you are really perceptive and able to "read between the lines".

let's talk about money for a while.

why is it so important? because the lack of it, the "not enoughness" of it is one of the biggest illusions of mankind. it is the illusion of lack and need. what do people lack? matter, material items, homes, cars, electric devices, adsl lines. how to they receive matter? they give other matter, cash. so the cash matter gets to be one of the biggest goals, that supposedly leads to prosperity, joy and happiness.

of course this is not so. it is just an illusion. it doesn't matter if you are christian or buddhist, any way you see it, it is an illusion and only if you agree to play this game you believe it is real.

in the book market you can find hundreds of books about the LOA and books that tell you "how to be rich", "how to be a successful salesman", "how to create a harmonious relationship", and many other "how to's". these all are the LOA in disguise. there could have been just one book.

so, either the LOA works or not, it does not mean that you have to change your goals in life. for example, lets suppose that i have been totally ignorant and that i have set very high goals in my life, to be a good person for example and to do "god's work". by reading about the LOA and watching the "secret", am i going to be brainwashed to change my goals to become a money accumulator?

lets say i do. then, lets suppose it works and i got all the money i need. what good did it do to myself? am i still going for my higher goals, or that's it, i'm ready to "buy and die now"?

so, lets suppose that lots of money in my bank account don't bring happiness and anything else than more stress and frustration. it brings me a nice house, a nice car, but i am still looking for something that money didn't bring.

then i am starting to go for the higher goals once again, even if this means that i decide to give away all my money to people who need it more than i do. if this happens, wasn't that money craving thing a huge useless, pointless, stupid, consuming and even dangerous journey?

if you want to take the best out of LOA or ANY LAW that you wish to follow, then make sure you are going for the highest goals available for you. you can make money a side-issue, that is only a helpful means. just by believing "i already have all the money that i now need" it is done.

however, if you really believe that money is going to bring you "enlightenment" or anything similar to consciousness elevation or expansion, or if this is what you really want to do with your life, then just go for the money. no problemo!

[Anders Lindman]

people should watch with an open mind and see if the info makes sence to them....

My concern is that we are not aware of what's going on in our subconscious mind where the Illuminati programming takes place. We can on a conscious level think something, while at the same time another and rather sinister process is taking place on a subconscious level without us being consciously aware of it. Don't underestimate the brainwashing schemes promoted by mainstream sources.

I'm not saying that money IS the most important thing, but that our social and deeply subconscious programs run on that belief without us being consciously aware of it.

[Anders Lindman]

what do people lack? matter, material items,

No. What we lack is freedom. Money is, as society is working today, one of the requirements for freedom. It's not about the money we use for buying more stuff. It's about the slavery of 40-80 hours work each week REQUIRED for a person to "make a living". Who are the slaves? And who are the masters?

[garth]

you are dealing with this movie, as if it is a gospel. maybe some people think that it is a gospel, but a lot of people take a lot of stuff as doctrine and believe literally anything.

why is it so important? because the lack of it, the "not enoughness" of it is one of the biggest illusions of mankind. it is the illusion of lack and need. what do people lack? matter, material items, homes, cars, electric devices, adsl lines. how to they receive matter? they give other matter, cash. so the cash matter gets to be one of the biggest goals, that supposedly leads to prosperity, joy and happiness.

of course this is not so. it is just an illusion. it doesn't matter if you are christian or buddhist, any way you see it, it is an illusion and only if you agree to play this game you believe it is real.

in the book market you can find hundreds of books about the LOA and books that tell you "how to be rich", "how to be a successful salesman", "how to create a harmonious relationship", and many other "how to's". these all are the LOA in disguise. there could have been just one book.

so, either the LOA works or not, it does not mean that you have to change your goals in life. for example, lets suppose that i have been totally ignorant and that i have set very high goals in my life, to be a good person for example and to do "god's work". by reading about the LOA and watching the "secret", am i going to be brainwashed to change my goals to become a money accumulator?

lets say i do. then, lets suppose it works and i got all the money i need. what good did it do to myself? am i still going for my higher goals, or that's it, i'm ready to "buy and die now"?

so, lets suppose that lots of money in my bank account don't bring happiness and anything else than more stress and frustration. it brings me a nice house, a nice car, but i am still looking for something that money didn't bring.

then i am starting to go for the higher goals once again, even if this means that i decide to give away all my money to people who need it more than i do. if this happens, wasn't that money craving thing a huge useless, pointless, stupid, consuming and even dangerous journey?

if you want to take the best out of LOA or ANY LAW that you wish to follow, then make sure you are going for the highest goals available for you. you can make money a side-issue, that is only a helpful means. just by believing "i already have all the money that i now need" it is done.


I agree , "the secret" seems to be top of the pops on this thread, it is just a newer media form to tell a very old story. I is packaged up and does concentrate on money, prosperity, wealth a lot, but then if I was doinfg the demographics for a "mainstream" production i would aim for the largest potential market which would be money driven individuals. But the process is the same, try watching it and replace the "money" words with enlightenment or knowledge, same process, different result.

Certainly money is just a tool to be used to acquire what you need, if for argument sake, you would like to spend more time expanding your knowledge and learning more, it would be very nice not to have to go to work everyday, have your needs meet without having to do the daily ritual that takes up so much time (vaulable thinking and learning time). Money used as a tool to provide for your daily needs (still have to eat etc) attracted via LOA so you can get on with the important stuff.

[bigus_dickus]

No. What we lack is freedom. Money is, as society is working today, one of the requirements for freedom. It's not about the money we use for buying more stuff. It's about the slavery of 40-80 hours work each week REQUIRED for a person to "make a living". Who are the slaves? And who are the masters?

if you say so..

[thirdwave]

For someone who hasn't watched the dvd but I do hope to see-it, can you tell me, in what way is it [a spiritual way of thinking?] thanks in advance.


Well the DVD is purely based on the LOA which in its self is a spiritual concept because in order for it to make sence you need to understand that solid matter, including our bodies, are not "solid" as we perceive it... its just vibration, caused by contiousness... and when you touch something that is vibrating quicker than you, its easier to put your hand through it, when its slower it feel like you cant...

in order to see it as realistic you have too see it as.... everything that apears as "solid" is just the result of other energies that are about.... and the more in touch you are with those deeper energies (vibrations) the more control you have of the out come of this physical reality we live in...

so although I think we are moving into an age where spirituality is actually starting to merge with Science, its still a spiritual understanding.

for me the thing that makes this kind of info far fetched is peoples perception of time.... the past... the present and the future.... when although its very hard to put into words ... there is only one moment and in that moment we create everything... and we experience this in moments that feel like the past present and future... have you ever done something and it has made sence with something you have done in the past? as if a jigsaw is all coming together?

well when you have the belief that allows you to see this as a reality, then you can see the jog saw all come together.... the past present and future all making one big picture and every moment you are creating it.... if you wanted to you could create a jigsaw which states you were domed from birth, or you could create a picture that you become somone special... its your choice.

Its not an easy think to explain which is why I think "The Secret" is cool, yes its very polished and glossed up.... but some people need to see that to take something seriously unfortunately...

[thirdwave]

My concern is that we are not aware of what's going on in our subconscious mind where the Illuminati programming takes place. We can on a conscious level think something, while at the same time another and rather sinister process is taking place on a subconscious level without us being consciously aware of it. Don't underestimate the brainwashing schemes promoted by mainstream sources.

I'm not saying that money IS the most important thing, but that our social and deeply subconscious programs run on that belief without us being consciously aware of it.

well if this is such a huge risk then the chances are we are already way to far gone.. as they would not save all our brainwashing for one DVD that is on line about informing people of the self empowerment they possess and how our negative thoughts hold us back...., there are far more commercial and better methods for them to get to more people and to control them... a movie like "Devinci Code" would be more what they would go for where you cant get away from it...

also I don't think this brainwashing really works on people that are aware of the possibility of it and aware of the intent... its more for people who are blind to it and are not aware of certain agendas that are unfolding...

I think the LOA does have a certain amount of brainwashing in it.... I mean, what is brainwashing? ...anything that inspires you potentially brainwashes you.... its a case of if its brainwashing you with something that benefits you and brings you more well being...or if its something that manifests pain and restriction in your life...

when I saw Passion Of The Christ, afterwards I felt drained.... I felt like it was such a burden having a physical body... and if i was not totally immune to religion I think I would have fealt a guilt towards Jesus and felt I was not worthy.... I would not have felt in control of my feelings... and I would have felt like I must surrender to something else that is more powerful than me.....

all together I cant see how that film can spiritually enlighten anyone, it is done so well and was made to perfection, but to me its not a good brainwash....

the Secret however, made me feel light on my feet and excited about how the universe works.... and it was nice to see something I have always felt come into such a cool DVD that so many people are now talking about..... I cant see any negative effects from watching the movie...

Im not saying my life is perfect...not at all.... but I normally have a good view on why things might not be perfect and its more a case of how i perceive the world around me and allow it to effect me rather than any ill effects from a DVD....

[garth]

Well the DVD is purely based on the LOA which in its self is a spiritual concept because in order for it to make sence you need to understand that solid matter, including our bodies, are not "solid" as we perceive it... its just vibration, caused by contiousness... and when you touch something that is vibrating quicker than you, its easier to put your hand through it, when its slower it feel like you cant...

in order to see it as realistic you have too see it as.... everything that apears as "solid" is just the result of other energies that are about.... and the more in touch you are with those deeper energies (vibrations) the more control you have of the out come of this physical reality we live in...

so although I think we are moving into an age where spirituality is actually starting to merge with Science, its still a spiritual understanding.

for me the thing that makes this kind of info far fetched is peoples perception of time.... the past... the present and the future.... when although its very hard to put into words ... there is only one moment and in that moment we create everything... and we experience this in moments that feel like the past present and future... have you ever done something and it has made sence with something you have done in the past? as if a jigsaw is all coming together?

well when you have the belief that allows you to see this as a reality, then you can see the jog saw all come together.... the past present and future all making one big picture and every moment you are creating it.... if you wanted to you could create a jigsaw which states you were domed from birth, or you could create a picture that you become somone special... its your choice.

Its not an easy think to explain which is why I think "The Secret" is cool, yes its very polished and glossed up.... but some people need to see that to take something seriously unfortunately...


Well put thirdwave, its like trying to explain what sunset looks like to blind person, you really have to see it.

Freindsinthesky, P.M me for a copy:)

[thirdwave]

Well put thirdwave, its like trying to explain what sunset looks like to blind person, you really have to see it.

Freindsinthesky, P.M me for a copy:)

yes thats a good way of looking at it.... also one man trying to explain a color to another man with out pictures!! :)

[garth]

or a woman trying to explain a colour to a man, namely me, I always get the wrong one from the paint shop...will have to manifest a keen eye for colour:)

[Anders Lindman]

if you say so..

I don't really know who the masters are. Some say the Illuminati. Clearly some form of power pyramid seem to exist, but I feel that humanity as a whole is slave to itself so to speak. We DO need to work, or else there would be no houses or food, but there is some kind of prison that has humanity trapped I feel.

[Anders Lindman]

they would not save all our brainwashing for one DVD that is on line about informing people of the self empowerment

Actually, I didn't think of The Secret as sinister at all at first, but then ideas about money began popping into my mind, and I thought it was best to post them in case they had some truth in them. Chances are of course that those ideas are completely wrong, and then I have to apologize and all that, but if I am correct, then they would be important for people to know about.

For example, I remember when watching The Secret, how I began thinking about manifesting wealth, but then a bit into the movie some trigger happened and I began thinking that wealth was not the most important thing, and it was even like: "this money issue is not the most important thing. i hope they will go into other things later on in the movie", which, of course they did.

[thirdwave]

wealth does not only mean money..... money is just a way of getting wealth....

its does not only talk about getting rich, it just covers general hassles like to meant bills ...and stuff... everyone knows what its like to feel like the bills just keep coming..... its stuff like that they are telling people about... the DVD actually covers much more but people tend to focus on the money part.... it also goes very much into illness and physical well being.... relationships... and general everyday life...

also the people who are talking about it on the DVD have all managed to create very big business's and earn good money so for them they can relate and explain that side of it... as anyone does... you talk about what you experience.

[seamus]

I don't really know who the masters are. Some say the Illuminati. Clearly some form of power pyramid seem to exist, but I feel that humanity as a whole is slave to itself so to speak. We DO need to work, or else there would be no houses or food, but there is some kind of prison that has humanity trapped I feel.


Dude, you need to read the book "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Work was invented by people who were too lazy to forage.

s

[Anders Lindman]

it also goes very much into illness and physical well being.... relationships...

Along with my thoughts about money another thought hit me with great force: "The body can heal itself, it doesn't need any LOA," and "Relationships treated as possessions breed conflict and suffering". Like the thoughts about money, I'm not sure if these thoughts point to some truth, but there is some kernel of truth in them I feel.

[sweet cheeks]

Lately there seems to be a huge interest in LOA (Law of Attraction). There are even people who make such fluffy statements as if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world. Not only is this naive but giving people a warped version of reality.

I am beginning to think that the LOA is the biggest con being manufactured to keep people in denial whilst brainwashing them into thinking that none of the negative stuff really exists or that there is in fact no out there.

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.

In "MY" opinion, it most definatley is a distraction, and a movement towards the "new age".

Enter Oprah! Please, she is a mind controlled goon.

ABC Execs. - "If we can get 'em to believe this, we can get 'em to believe anything" - $$$$$.

There is a site on the net that teaches it for free though, but the addy escapes me. :)

[Anders Lindman]

Dude, you need to read the book "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Work was invented by people who were too lazy to forage.

s

I read on the Web that the book Ishmael is a kind of channeling almost. One problem I see is that "job" and "not job" are two separate activities in today's society. Many people maybe want it to be that way, but I find the division "job" and "not job" too mechanical and outdated.

[bigus_dickus]

I don't really know who the masters are. Some say the Illuminati. Clearly some form of power pyramid seem to exist, but I feel that humanity as a whole is slave to itself so to speak. We DO need to work, or else there would be no houses or food, but there is some kind of prison that has humanity trapped I feel.

me neither, but whoever they are, fuck them, i am not going to do what any of them tell me, i have a choice and i will use it. we don't need to work we want to play and we want playing to be our work and our teaching. fuck the need to be a slave in a corporation and fuck the money earned out of stress. you will have a glorious grave, congratulations.

anyway, anyone going the "loa" way, has to know more than the loa. he/she has to know the other laws too, especially the most important. using the loa is a conscious way, so it takes commitment, so you have to be ready for that too. otherwise you will make mistakes and you will be bitching about it.

[thirdwave]

Along with my thoughts about money another thought hit me with great force: "The body can heal itself, it doesn't need any LOA," and "Relationships treated as possessions breed conflict and suffering". Like the thoughts about money, I'm not sure if these thoughts point to some truth, but there is some kernel of truth in them I feel.

very good point... the body can indeed heel its self....

how though??

[seamus]

me neither, but whoever they are, fuck them, i am not going to do what any of them tell me, i have a choice and i will use it. we don't need to work we want to play and we want playing to be our work and our teaching. fuck the need to be a slave in a corporation and fuck the money earned out of stress. you will have a glorious grave, congratulations.



LOL bigus... You said fuck 3 times there, and all in its proper use! I agree wholeheartedly! check linky: http://luciferianliberationfront.org/llffaq.html#urantia

enjoy! don't be frightened by the title and/or names. What's in a name? I think Lynn Grabhorn has the names wrong...

To hell with the controllers. We didn't need them 2 million years ago, and we don't need them now!

s

[seamus]

I read on the Web that the book Ishmael is a kind of channeling almost. One problem I see is that "job" and "not job" are two separate activities in today's society. Many people maybe want it to be that way, but I find the division "job" and "not job" too mechanical and outdated.

Yeah, and I heard on another site that yo' mama... never mind. I don't want to repeat it in mixed company.

Too mechanical and outdated? Like the difference between "fun" and "stress"? How about the diff. between "sex" and "not getting any"? Too artificial for you, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

Daniel Quinn's a fooking genius. Have you read the book, or did you stop at reading "about" it? See for yourself, please. You won't be sorry, unless you are unwilling to change.

s

[myeika]

LOL bigus... You said fuck 3 times there, and all in its proper use! I agree wholeheartedly! check linky: http://luciferianliberationfront.org/llffaq.html#urantia



Coo seamus.... you have sent me off on a reading a tangent now.......

Will I ever get to the end oth this fantastic thread!!!!!!!!

Good stuf this is.......

Thank you ......

Some how you all manage to get over in your writing exactly what your meaning... it is great.....

Its soo good to know that others have the same understanding/view/awareness of things as I have.......

Thank you...............

Just realized I have got to the end!!!! lol........

[Anders Lindman]

very good point... the body can indeed heel its self....

how though??

I have a speculative idea about this:

In chaos/complexity theory there is this thing called a 'strange attractor' that determines the general behavior of a chaos process. It's often far too difficult to try to determine how complex processes will behave, but the strange attractor makes it possible to examine the overall behavior.

The body is a super complex system and the energy field within it is like a 'strange attractor' in chaos theory. If the field is unbalanced, then there will be disease, and if the field is balanced there will be health.

Not only that. I think it's possible to actively modify the energy field in the body using mind power. So for example, if I want to have a fit body, then I can work hard with some physical exercises such as going to the gym and jogging and so on, OR I can modify my energy field in the body and the body will begin to automatically become more and more aligned with the new energy field, such as making the body more fit.

[Anders Lindman]

Yeah, and I heard on another site that yo' mama... never mind. I don't want to repeat it in mixed company.

Daniel Quinn's a fooking genius. Have you read the book, or did you stop at reading "about" it? See for yourself, please. You won't be sorry, unless you are unwilling to change.

s

I read about the book on Amazon. It looks like an interesting book and it's one of the books I may buy.

[myeika]

Not only that. I think it's possible to actively modify the energy field in the body using mind power. So for example, if I want to have a fit body, then I can work hard with some physical exercises such as going to the gym and jogging and so on, OR I can modify my energy field in the body and the body will begin to automatically become more and more aligned with the new energy field, such as making the body more fit.

Very interesting..... but how would/could one modify the energy field?

Thoughts? Feelings? Beliefe?

How I have been doing it, is by thought and knowing belief it would happen, is has and is continuing to do so....I know I am healed!

[thirdwave]

I have a speculative idea about this:

In chaos/complexity theory there is this thing called a 'strange attractor' that determines the general behavior of a chaos process. It's often far too difficult to try to determine how complex processes will behave, but the strange attractor makes it possible to examine the overall behavior.

The body is a super complex system and the energy field within it is like a 'strange attractor' in chaos theory. If the field is unbalanced, then there will be disease, and if the field is balanced there will be health.

Not only that. I think it's possible to actively modify the energy field in the body using mind power. So for example, if I want to have a fit body, then I can work hard with some physical exercises such as going to the gym and jogging and so on, OR I can modify my energy field in the body and the body will begin to automatically become more and more aligned with the new energy field, such as making the body more fit.


well thats all cool... but most of what you say lines up with the LOA.... energy field? ... whats that? how does one control it... and what is it.... its energy... we control it with our thoughts and it effects our loves physically and mentally.

[i am all i am]

well thats all cool... but most of what you say lines up with the LOA.... energy field? ... whats that? how does one control it... and what is it.... its energy... we control it with our thoughts and it effects our loves physically and mentally.

I believe that the energy field is directly related to the DNA and the low-level frequency pulse that it gives off. It is something that Jeremy Narby discusses in his book 'The Cosmic Serpent - DNA and the Origins of Knowledge'. Here's the link to the thread about the book...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119

I also believe that it can be 'controlled', or utilised to manifest, through thought/word/action, and when combined, they are what creates our reality, or personal experience.


With LOVE.

[myeika]

I believe that the energy field is directly related to the DNA and the low-level frequency pulse that it gives off. It is something that Jeremy Narby discusses in his book 'The Cosmic Serpent - DNA and the Origins of Knowledge'. Here's the link to the thread about the book...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119

I also believe that it can be 'controlled', or utilised to manifest, through thought/word/action, and when combined, they are what creates our reality, or personal experience.


With LOVE.

Hi....


Yes fantastic book.... a must read if you haven't already!

Thank you for reminding me of this....

[Anders Lindman]

well thats all cool... but most of what you say lines up with the LOA.... energy field? ... whats that? how does one control it... and what is it.... its energy... we control it with our thoughts and it effects our loves physically and mentally.

One example of energy fields is what Rupert Sheldrake calls morphogenic (morphic) fields:

http://www.sheldrake.org/Research/morphic/

One difference between an energy field and LOA is that it should be more easy to scientifically measure an energy field than to measure the LOA with scientific instruments. The energy field and the LOA would probably be different perspectives on the same thing.

One way to control the energy field is simply to feel it! If there is negativity on the mental, emotional and/or physical level of one's being, then that should be an indication of a personal energy field that is imbalanced or even dysfunctional.

Another way would be to have some kind of scientific scanning device that could generate a 3D computer graphics model of the actual energy field in the body, and then doctors and patients could look at the images and see where the field was most imbalanced, and then the patient could be given mind practices that would restore the balance in different areas of the energy field.

[Anders Lindman]

Very interesting..... but how would/could one modify the energy field?

Thoughts? Feelings? Beliefe?

How I have been doing it, is by thought and knowing belief it would happen, is has and is continuing to do so....I know I am healed!

Let's assume that there is such a thing as an energy field in the body. Then the first thing would be to understand it. And it can be directly understood! Simply by direct observation of one's own mental, emotional and physical wellbeing will give a good understanding of the energy field.

The next step is to be able to use conscious choice/volition to modify the energy field. That would be similar to moving one's arm for example. We just do it! If I want to reach for a cup of tea, then I don't have to have elaborate plans or theories about how to move my arm, hand, and fingers in order to grab the cup. I simply grab it! Modifying the energy field inside the body is a similar process, but probably requires the use thoughts, emotions and physical sensations as a whole movement. This would then be much more difficult than moving one's arm, and just like learning how to play the piano, some practice is needed.

[seamus]

I have a speculative idea about this:

In chaos/complexity theory there is this thing called a 'strange attractor' that determines the general behavior of a chaos process. It's often far too difficult to try to determine how complex processes will behave, but the strange attractor makes it possible to examine the overall behavior.

The body is a super complex system and the energy field within it is like a 'strange attractor' in chaos theory. If the field is unbalanced, then there will be disease, and if the field is balanced there will be health.

Not only that. I think it's possible to actively modify the energy field in the body using mind power. So for example, if I want to have a fit body, then I can work hard with some physical exercises such as going to the gym and jogging and so on, OR I can modify my energy field in the body and the body will begin to automatically become more and more aligned with the new energy field, such as making the body more fit.

Hey anders, that's prrrrrilliant! Now how come you didn't say that earlier?

:D

s

[Anders Lindman]

Hey anders, that's prrrrrilliant! Now how come you didn't say that earlier?

:D

s

Because the idea just popped into my mind recently. :D Here is a video with Terence McKenna and Rupert Sheldrake speaking about the Morphogenetic Field Theory:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8346001127958763110

I just found it and haven't watched it myself yet, but it seems to be in line with the idea of energy fields.

[foreverspirit]

I have felt frustrated about the LOA. My new approach to see if the LOA works is to make the goals I set up have the highest priority in my subconscious. So instead of wanting something only as thoughts, I go into a deeper state that actually makes me feel that the new goal is MORE important than all my other goals. My initial attempts showed that this was not so easy to do in practice. Concerns about financial and social safety and so on are not easy to override in the subconscious. An example of this is: I will try to make money without having a job. When I listen to my subconscious I can hear: "Don't go in that direction! You will become a homeless bum. Stay with having an ordinary job. That's far more realistic and much more safe and secure."


HI ANDERS:

Firstly the information you are giving to your subconscious is incorrect. You should read up on how to give proper instructions to the subconscious. It has heard "trying" so that's what it will keep doing is "trying", which is lackluster.

Secondly the LOA does not educate people to the fact that one statement or one hundred statements could never do the trick. How many "no"s have you heard in one life time? How many hundreds of thousands of feelings of fear have you felt? How many hundreds of thousand of can't and so forth?

The subconsconscious is like a folder. It does not argue or believe. It collects information. It works with quantity. If you notice most diets and so on, require at least a 90 day period/12 weeks. Even Og Mandino heralded 100days. It is said the mind thinks over 50,000 thoughts a day. All of the same thoughts over and over again.

It will take a clear cut "Plan Of Action". You have to find a way to feed your subconscious litterally hundreds of thousands of messages a day, to outweigh the old programs. A literal bombardment. The same way we were and are still being bombarded left, right and centre with their crap messages.

You would have to master as many on this forum have stated "The Now". There is no diginity in poverty. This is what they want for us. Aren't we all believers in the great "ONENESS" and "INFNITE LOVE"? To be divine is to be wealthy. The love force should be about the abundance of good. Should we not be on earth to enjoy, experience and embrace our greatness But it goes back again to the programming.

We didn't become so full of fear overnight. But with focused attention and the correct tool it can be easier to change those beliefs in a shorter space of time. Surely with deep observation we can see mankind if untampered with are truly wonderful beings.

Somehow "wickedness" has ruled. We can't know the whole story while we are broken and dealing on all sides with lies/mistruths.

One thing we know for sure. All so far is mind, thoughts, words, pictures. When we devote enough time/attention (singlemindedness) to completely replacing our false beliefs and ugly messages (through NO fault of our own) then we will be fully equipped to deal with the who, why, what and where we are.

So yes the LOA is real. However, quantity is the key. Only quanity will change hard core beliefs. If one truly desires change they will find the way and it's only very minutely in the simplistic teachings of the LOA.:cool:

[Anders Lindman]

It will take a clear cut "Plan Of Action". You have to find a way to feed your subconscious litterally hundreds of thousands of messages a day, to outweigh the old programs. A literal bombardment. The same way we were and are still being bombarded left, right and centre with their crap messages.


Yes, it seems that the subconscious is very difficult to reprogram. Bruce Lipton even said that NO AMOUNT of talking to the subconscious would ever change it, since the subconscious is just like a tape recorder. He use to describe it as shouting at a tape recorder in order to make it change the tape it is playing. The trick, he says, is to find the 'record' button for the subconscious.

[seamus]

HI ANDERS:

Somehow "wickedness" has ruled. We can't know the whole story while we are broken and dealing on all sides with lies/mistruths.

One thing we know for sure. All so far is mind, thoughts, words, pictures. When we devote enough time/attention (singlemindedness) to completely replacing our false beliefs and ugly messages (through NO fault of our own) then we will be fully equipped to deal with the who, why, what and where we are.

So yes the LOA is real. However, quantity is the key. Only quanity will change hard core beliefs. If one truly desires change they will find the way and it's only very minutely in the simplistic teachings of the LOA.:cool:

Wickedness has ruled because of the law of one, by which the universe always, always, ALWAYS gives us what we show that we want by doing to others. The evil that is seen in the illuminati and even in the "devil" himself is only a projection of one's own evil. I am not saying they aren't evil, but I am saying that it is not the place of us lower sentient beings to judge them as a great evil and thus give them the power of fear over us.

Here is a true saying: Perfect love casts out all fear. ALL. Leaving NONE. Not fear of condemnation or fear of failure or fear of lack. NONE. If you love, the universe will love you back. IT MUST. It is like a mirror. You only experience in the swamp that which you bring in with you.

Love of that which we fear is a way to defeat fear.

Love of that which we secretly consider ourselves better than demolishes fear.

Love is to accede the dignity of equality and free will.

There is no "darkness" as men's minds have fantasized it to be.

ALL is light and love, except that fungus called hubris which dwells in a diseased and dying heart.

With LOVE.

s

[thirdwave]

I believe that the energy field is directly related to the DNA and the low-level frequency pulse that it gives off. It is something that Jeremy Narby discusses in his book 'The Cosmic Serpent - DNA and the Origins of Knowledge'. Here's the link to the thread about the book...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119

I also believe that it can be 'controlled', or utilised to manifest, through thought/word/action, and when combined, they are what creates our reality, or personal experience.


With LOVE.

makes sence to me... all part of our consiousness creating the reality around us

DNA is just vibrating energy anyway.

[mynameis]

Wickedness has ruled because of the law of one, by which the universe always, always, ALWAYS gives us what we show that we want by doing to others. The evil that is seen in the illuminati and even in the "devil" himself is only a projection of one's own evil. I am not saying they aren't evil, but I am saying that it is not the place of us lower sentient beings to judge them as a great evil and thus give them the power of fear over us.

Here is a true saying: Perfect love casts out all fear. ALL. Leaving NONE. Not fear of condemnation or fear of failure or fear of lack. NONE. If you love, the universe will love you back. IT MUST. It is like a mirror. You only experience in the swamp that which you bring in with you.

Love of that which we fear is a way to defeat fear.

Love of that which we secretly consider ourselves better than demolishes fear.

Love is to accede the dignity of equality and free will.

There is no "darkness" as men's minds have fantasized it to be.

ALL is light and love, except that fungus called hubris which dwells in a diseased and dying heart.

With LOVE.

s

The evil makes you, you don't make the evil. So check yourself before your wreck yourself. But make sure you live up to the principles of our ancestors who were the wisest and best lived through traditions and consensus.

[Anders Lindman]

"Relationships treated as possessions breed conflict and suffering"

This could need a bit more elaboration. Aren't all personal relationships a kind of possession that is inevitable? Not necessarily. Instead of person A owning person B and vice versa, we can think of a personal relationship existing as long as person A and B share it. So instead of person A possessing person B, person A possesses the relationship AB, not the person B.

In other words, relationships treated as possessions are perfectly fine. I should have written: "People treated as possessions breed conflict and suffering".

[truthcommission]

This thread has gone a bit off topic and starting to become a bit Steve Pavlina(ish).

The question is whether the LOA (through products/books such as The Secret or Ask and it is Given) is being used to mind control people or distract them from their real power or the Agenda.

If you want to discuss how to use LOA start a separate thread.

[seamus]

The evil makes you, you don't make the evil. So check yourself before your wreck yourself. But make sure you live up to the principles of our ancestors who were the wisest and best lived through traditions and consensus.

Huh? Whose ancestors? I am quite likely of a different ethnicity from yours. Could you be more specific? It seems you are alluding to the consensus governments supposedly used in the Native American and ancient Tibetan Plateau peoples, but without you saying so I am not sure.

And don't worry, I'm not likely to "wreck myself" by judging and taking responsibility for the evil in my own life. Then consciously choosing to manifest love toward my fellows. Whatever makes you think that to do so could be bad?



s

[foreverspirit]

Wickedness has ruled because of the law of one, by which the universe always, always, ALWAYS gives us what we show that we want by doing to others. The evil that is seen in the illuminati and even in the "devil" himself is only a projection of one's own evil. I am not saying they aren't evil, but I am saying that it is not the place of us lower sentient beings to judge them as a great evil and thus give them the power of fear over us.

Here is a true saying: Perfect love casts out all fear. ALL. Leaving NONE. Not fear of condemnation or fear of failure or fear of lack. NONE. If you love, the universe will love you back. IT MUST. It is like a mirror. You only experience in the swamp that which you bring in with you.

Love of that which we fear is a way to defeat fear.

Love of that which we secretly consider ourselves better than demolishes fear.

Love is to accede the dignity of equality and free will.

There is no "darkness" as men's minds have fantasized it to be.

ALL is light and love, except that fungus called hubris which dwells in a diseased and dying heart.

With LOVE.

s

HI SEAMUS:

"but I am saying that it is not the place of us lower sentient beings to judge them as a great evil and thus give them the power of fear over us."


OH YEAH!!! WHO YOU ARE YOU CALLING LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS?? WE WHO CAN CREATE OUT OF NOTHING, SIMPLY BY OUR THOUGHTS??

OH YEAH!!! LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS POWER THAT THEY NEEEED IN ORDER TO PERPETUATE THEIR "WICKEDNESS".


"Wickedness has ruled because of the law of one, by which the universe always, always, ALWAYS gives us what we show that we want by doing to others. "

BULL FRANACKERY!!! The SO CALLED "UNIVERSE" ALWAYS GIVES US WHAT WE FEEL TOWARDS OURSELVES!!!!! COURTESY OF WICKED MESSAGES AND BELIEFS IMPRESSED UPON OUR CONSCIOUSNESS FROM THE MOMENT OF ENTRY INTO THIS WORLD!!!

YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT WHEN A CHILD ENTERS THE WORLD, THEY ASKED TO BE HELD UPSIDE DOWN AND SMACKED ON THE ASS????!!! OH YEAH, IN ORDER TO GET EM BREATHING! NO THEY WEREN'T BREATHING IN THE WOMB? NO SIREEE!! GOTTA HELP EM'! (OH YEAH RIGHT, SILLY ME, MAYBE IT WAS JUST A FIRST ATTEMPT TO BEAT THE EVIL OUT!!)


YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT A LITTLE CHILD BEING YOU KNOW WHAT, CAUSED THAT?????!!!!

YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE ANIMALS BEING UNJUSTLY TORTURED IN LABS ASKED FOR THAT?????!!!!!


YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THAT LOWER SENTIENT EVIL WOMAN WHO IS BEING BEATEN DAILY BY HER HUSBAND ASKS FOR IT BY FORGIVING AND FORGIVING AND TRYING AND TRYING AND PRACTICING UNCONDITIONAL LOVE????

YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE LOWER SENTIENT BEING GIVING TO THE CHURCHES, CHARITY, COMMUNITY DESERVE TO BE SECRETLY MANIPULATED BY THIS WICKEDNESSS???



"The evil that is seen in the illuminati and even in the "devil" himself is only a projection of one's own evil."

HAVE PEOPLE LOTS ALL SENSE OF REASONING??? DO YOU NOT SEE THE FIRST ACT OF THESE "LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS" WHEN AN EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI, WHATEVER STRIKES, IS TO DIG DEEP TO HELP THEIR FELLOW MAN IN ANY WAY THEY CAN???

HOW IN THE WORLD COULD CHURCHES/RELIGION EVER FLOURISH IF THESE LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS WERE SO EVIL? WOULD THEY BE FILLING THE BIZILLION CHURCHES AND SELF IMPROVEMENT QUARTERS IN THE BILLIONS??? SHOULDN'T THESE "LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS" BE ON A PERPETUAL WILD RAMPAGE???

JUST STOP IT! JUST STOP TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE LOW AND EVIL. OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE A CHILD/MAN IS ONLY CONTAMINATED BY WHAT GOES IN THEM FROM THE OUTER WORLD!!

THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE A HUMAN BEING COME OUT OF A WOMB AND SLAP A DOCTOR THEN I WILL BELIEVE THIS OUTRAGEOUS LIE!!!


"I am not saying they aren't evil, but I am saying that it is not the place of us lower sentient beings to judge them as a great evil and thus give them the power of fear over us."

WRONG!! WE ARE GREAT BEINGS!! WHAT???? IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO LABEL US "LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS"?? BUT WE MUST NOT JUDGE? TRY NOT JUDGING WHETHER YOU SHOULD WALK IN FRONT OF A BUS WHEN IT HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS. IT IS TIME FOR US TO EMBRACE OUR GREATNESS. IT IS ONLY IN DOING CAN WE ERRADICATE THEIR BULLYING SUPERIORITY COMPLEX THAT HAS CAUSED US TO FEAR. IT IS WHEN YOU MENTALLY STAND UP TO THE BULLY PROGRAM WITHIN YOU, YOU LET THE SO CALLED "UNIVERSE" KNOW YOU KNOW THEM ( OR WHATEVER THE FREAK IT IS) FOR THE PUKEZOID THAT THEY ARE, AND THAT YOU ARE WORTHY OF BETTER. THEN WILL THE SO CALLED UNIVERSE BEGIN TO DISSOLVE THIS WICKEDNESS. EVERYTHING IN BALANCE NOW. SHALL WE FOREVER BE COWERING -LOVING BEINGS??

LOVE STARTS WITH SELF. "DO UNTO YOURSELF AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO TO YOU!!" TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE DENYING THEIR NEEDS FOR THIS FOOLISH SLAVE MENTALITY OF GIVING TO OTHERS. NOTICE WICKEDNESS AIN'T GIVING NOTHING BUT HELL TO OTHERS IN ORDER TO GRATIFY IT'S BIZARRE NEEDS!


"Here is a true saying: Perfect love casts out all fear. ALL. Leaving NONE. Not fear of condemnation or fear of failure or fear of lack. NONE. If you love, the universe will love you back. IT MUST. It is like a mirror. You only experience in the swamp that which you bring in with you."

TRUE SAYING INDEED, FROM THE MAIN SOURCE BRAINWASHING AND THE GREATEST LIES EVER TOLD TO MANKIND!!

PERFECT LOVE OF SELF CASTS OUT ALL FEAR. ALL. LEAVING YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN TO TURN YOUR BACK ON WICKEDNESS WHEN YOU SEE IT!!

THERE IS NO UNIVERSE OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES. WE ARE THE SO CALLED "UNIVERSE". WHEN I AM IN TOTAL CONTROL OF MYSELF AND MY LIFE - GIVING TO ME FIRST - IN LOVE WITH ME FIRST - THEN I WILL HAVE IN MORE THAN OVERABUNDANCE TO SHARE WITH OTHERS. IT IS A MUST. I ONLY EXPERIENCE IN THE SWAMP THAT WHICH WAS AND IS PUT INTO ME!! IF I BELIEVE I AM EVIL I WILL CREATE IT. PERIOD. WHO SAID/TOLD ME I WAS EVIL?


"Love of that which we fear is a way to defeat fear."

AH YES I JUST LOVE GOING TO WORK ONLY TO DISCOVER NEPOTISM. BUT I'LL JUST QUIETLY LOVE AWAY AND LOVE WILL KEEP ME FROM LIVING A LIFE OF QUIET DESPERATION. YES LOVE WILL DEFEAT IT. BE PATIENT OH EVIL LOWER SENTIENT BEING, IT'S ONLY BEING GOING ON A COUPLE THOUSAND OF YEARS!!!


NOW I CAN LOOK UP AT THE SKY AND IN MY EVIL MIND, MARVEL AT WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT AND FEEL THE GLORIOUS SUNSHINE. THEN ALONG COMES ONE OF THOSE PLANES. WHY AND WHO SEEKS TO DISTRUPT MY BLUE SKIES???? OH SILLY ME, IT'S ME!!!!

LOVING THE ABUSEER HAS ONLY MADE THIS WORLD OVER TIME, BETER AND BETTER AND BETTER. CAN'T YOU SEE????!!!

I could go on and on, but this is ridiculous. 'LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS"???
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!:cool:

[seamus]

HI SEAMUS:

"but I am saying that it is not the place of us lower sentient beings to judge them as a great evil and thus give them the power of fear over us."


OH YEAH!!! WHO YOU ARE YOU CALLING LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS?? WE WHO CAN CREATE OUT OF NOTHING, SIMPLY BY OUR THOUGHTS??

OH YEAH!!! LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS POWER THAT THEY NEEEED IN ORDER TO PERPETUATE THEIR "WICKEDNESS".


By lower, I mean those who are less-evolved. Do you really think that once you get to the point of being a perfect human, that THAT is as far as you can go?

Yes, you gan get off the merry-go-round altogether, but that's not what I mean.



"Wickedness has ruled because of the law of one, by which the universe always, always, ALWAYS gives us what we show that we want by doing to others. "

BULL FRANACKERY!!! The SO CALLED "UNIVERSE" ALWAYS GIVES US WHAT WE FEEL TOWARDS OURSELVES!!!!! COURTESY OF WICKED MESSAGES AND BELIEFS IMPRESSED UPON OUR CONSCIOUSNESS FROM THE MOMENT OF ENTRY INTO THIS WORLD!!!

This is a very fine distinction, and I don't feel that many people have the ability to draw that line. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm saying that we both might be right depending on how you interpret what we've just written. And is it really necessary to yell?

YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT WHEN A CHILD ENTERS THE WORLD, THEY ASKED TO BE HELD UPSIDE DOWN AND SMACKED ON THE ASS????!!! OH YEAH, IN ORDER TO GET EM BREATHING! NO THEY WEREN'T BREATHING IN THE WOMB? NO SIREEE!! GOTTA HELP EM'! (OH YEAH RIGHT, SILLY ME, MAYBE IT WAS JUST A FIRST ATTEMPT TO BEAT THE EVIL OUT!!)


YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT A LITTLE CHILD BEING YOU KNOW WHAT, CAUSED THAT?????!!!!No but I believe that the being knew that such was a condition of coming into this world, and accepted that as a condition. I personally believe water birth is the way to go.

YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE ANIMALS BEING UNJUSTLY TORTURED IN LABS ASKED FOR THAT?????!!!!!
No. I am saying that those who are doing those things to those animals are asking for some major karmic backlash.

YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THAT LOWER SENTIENT EVIL WOMAN WHO IS BEING BEATEN DAILY BY HER HUSBAND ASKS FOR IT BY FORGIVING AND FORGIVING AND TRYING AND TRYING AND PRACTICING UNCONDITIONAL LOVE????No. Why do you say the woman is evil? It's usually the evil who oppress the good. I am saying that not everything manifests immediately. An oppressor manifests his own oppressor. To Illustrate I will tell you a true story of my own life.

When I was 8-10 years old my stepfather molested me and my brother on many occasions.

One day while driving to town, a news item came on the radio. It was about a man who had raped a little baby. My stepfather, full of indignation, declared in front of my mother, my brother and I, "They oughta take guys who do things like that and cut their things off!"

Within 1 year he had his penis amputated due to an extremely rare form of cancer. He had pronounced his own sentence. The universe gave him what he wanted. Death and destruction.

Divine justice doesn't necessarily come overnight, but it does come.

YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE LOWER SENTIENT BEING GIVING TO THE CHURCHES, CHARITY, COMMUNITY DESERVE TO BE SECRETLY MANIPULATED BY THIS WICKEDNESSS??? No. I would say rather that their intended good will do good to their souls, and will reflect the evil intent of the manipulators back onto them.


"The evil that is seen in the illuminati and even in the "devil" himself is only a projection of one's own evil."

HAVE PEOPLE LOTS ALL SENSE OF REASONING??? DO YOU NOT SEE THE FIRST ACT OF THESE "LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS" WHEN AN EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI, WHATEVER STRIKES, IS TO DIG DEEP TO HELP THEIR FELLOW MAN IN ANY WAY THEY CAN???It is hard to put one sentence together that sums up the entire human race. Sorry if I generalized too much for you.

HOW IN THE WORLD COULD CHURCHES/RELIGION EVER FLOURISH IF THESE LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS WERE SO EVIL? WOULD THEY BE FILLING THE BIZILLION CHURCHES AND SELF IMPROVEMENT QUARTERS IN THE BILLIONS??? SHOULDN'T THESE "LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS" BE ON A PERPETUAL WILD RAMPAGE???I guess you really like my phrase "Lower Sentient Beings" but it seems you have missed my point in using it. My point was to elucidate that there is more to evolution than getting to some arbitrary dead end called humanity.

People get the government they deserve. Some choose to be evil, but the oppressed ALL TOO OFTEN have resorted to becoming oppressors. No one has followed the example of the Hopi and the Tibetans, who were placed on either side of the earth, for people to learn from. When you have an oppression/submission mentality as most people do, you will manifest a pyramidal power structure. Whether you like how it makes you feel or not. It's a matter of the law of ONE. Why don't you get it? Why did Jesus have to actually verbally say such ludicrously simple things as "Love one another"? Why?!? DUHHHHH! because he was talking to a bunch of psychopaths, that's why!

JUST STOP IT! JUST STOP TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE LOW AND EVIL. OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE A CHILD/MAN IS ONLY CONTAMINATED BY WHAT GOES IN THEM FROM THE OUTER WORLD!!
I call bullshit. I was molested and raised in a house with a mafia hit man. Fuck you. I have NEVER struck anyone in anger, and have only lost my temper 4 times in my entire life, each time due to outrage at seeing one person being oppressed by another. Again I say, Fuck You. It's not nurture, it's NATURE, and unless and until you are individually ready to CHANGE your submission/domination nature, you're screwed.



THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE A HUMAN BEING COME OUT OF A WOMB AND SLAP A DOCTOR THEN I WILL BELIEVE THIS OUTRAGEOUS LIE!!!
Man, you really want fast-food karmic justice, don't you? Or is it that you want revenge against your circumstances that have brought you, against your will of course, to the place of having such a low self-esteem that you have to type in all caps to believe someone will pay attention?


"I am not saying they aren't evil, but I am saying that it is not the place of us lower sentient beings to judge them as a great evil and thus give them the power of fear over us."

WRONG!! WE ARE GREAT BEINGS!! WHAT???? IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO LABEL US "LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS"?? BUT WE MUST NOT JUDGE? TRY NOT JUDGING WHETHER YOU SHOULD WALK IN FRONT OF A BUS WHEN IT HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY. Dude take a pill or something. What I mean by the judge thing is that when you judge, you project. The evil you see in the devil is the evil you are afraid of that dwells inside of YOU.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS. IT IS TIME FOR US TO EMBRACE OUR GREATNESS. IT IS ONLY IN DOING CAN WE ERRADICATE THEIR BULLYING SUPERIORITY COMPLEX THAT HAS CAUSED US TO FEAR. IT IS WHEN YOU MENTALLY STAND UP TO THE BULLY PROGRAM WITHIN YOU, YOU LET THE SO CALLED "UNIVERSE" KNOW YOU KNOW THEM ( OR WHATEVER THE FREAK IT IS) FOR THE PUKEZOID THAT THEY ARE, AND THAT YOU ARE WORTHY OF BETTER. THEN WILL THE SO CALLED UNIVERSE BEGIN TO DISSOLVE THIS WICKEDNESS. EVERYTHING IN BALANCE NOW. SHALL WE FOREVER BE COWERING -LOVING BEINGS?? Yeah. Embrace our greatness. You need to go watch the war sequence from the 5th element movie about 50 times in a row. That's human greatness. There has never in history been a time free from war. You want to "eradicate" someone ELSE's bully complex. What about your own? Loving beings are invincible. Feh. I don't know why I'm taking the time. Maybe someone else will read this and GET IT. Your fear is only superficially caused by others. At its root is the need to be "better than" someone else. If you eradicate that root of evil from your SELF first, you will have clear eyes to see what's going on and maybe even get off the merry-go-round altogether if that's what we want.

LOVE STARTS WITH SELF. "DO UNTO YOURSELF AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO TO YOU!!" TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE DENYING THEIR NEEDS FOR THIS FOOLISH SLAVE MENTALITY OF GIVING TO OTHERS. NOTICE WICKEDNESS AIN'T GIVING NOTHING BUT HELL TO OTHERS IN ORDER TO GRATIFY IT'S BIZARRE NEEDS!Even those who give, often do so out of a motivation to be better than someone or something else. I have been there. I know the deception we can do on ourselves.


"Here is a true saying: Perfect love casts out all fear. ALL. Leaving NONE. Not fear of condemnation or fear of failure or fear of lack. NONE. If you love, the universe will love you back. IT MUST. It is like a mirror. You only experience in the swamp that which you bring in with you."

TRUE SAYING INDEED, FROM THE MAIN SOURCE BRAINWASHING AND THE GREATEST LIES EVER TOLD TO MANKIND!!
That is mere vitriol. You can't destroy a being who has made its prime value brotherly love.

PERFECT LOVE OF SELF CASTS OUT ALL FEAR. ALL. LEAVING YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN TO TURN YOUR BACK ON WICKEDNESS WHEN YOU SEE IT!!Now here's the most sense you have made so far. Yes. And to love yourself, you have to let go of all evil, including the idea that you are better than anyone or anything else.

THERE IS NO UNIVERSE OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES. WE ARE THE SO CALLED "UNIVERSE".Foolish humans. They think they're at the top of the heap. Telling.

WHEN I AM IN TOTAL CONTROL OF MYSELF AND MY LIFE - GIVING TO ME FIRST - IN LOVE WITH ME FIRST - THEN I WILL HAVE IN MORE THAN OVERABUNDANCE TO SHARE WITH OTHERS. IT IS A MUST.Reminds me of the Beatles song "I me mine". You put yourself conspicuously first at the expense of equality. Therein is the deadly poison of hubris.

I ONLY EXPERIENCE IN THE SWAMP THAT WHICH WAS AND IS PUT INTO ME!! IF I BELIEVE I AM EVIL I WILL CREATE IT. PERIOD. WHO SAID/TOLD ME I WAS EVIL?WoopWoopWoopWoop Hey Moe, I'm a victim of soicumstance! Laughable. You signed up for this trip. Don't let anyone tell you different. The unpleasantness you experience is what you have done to others in the past, in other lives. If you just accept that and stop trying to be on top, you will make progress.


"Love of that which we fear is a way to defeat fear."

AH YES I JUST LOVE GOING TO WORK ONLY TO DISCOVER NEPOTISM. BUT I'LL JUST QUIETLY LOVE AWAY AND LOVE WILL KEEP ME FROM LIVING A LIFE OF QUIET DESPERATION. YES LOVE WILL DEFEAT IT. BE PATIENT OH EVIL LOWER SENTIENT BEING, IT'S ONLY BEING GOING ON A COUPLE THOUSAND OF YEARS!!! Hey bro, who told you you had to "work"? Don't! Do what you love, and to hell with those who don't like it. See the fact that I have to explain what I mean by "LOVE" is a further illustration of the psychopathy of the human/God collective.

Love is: equally shared respect and admiration and appreciation, ever upwardly spiraling to new heights of bliss. It's pretty hard to dwell in that state here on the battlefield known as Earth, but I have seen this, and I know it to be true. Love collapses when you say "me, mine"

Like the old Neil Young song:
Love is a rose
but you better not pick it
It only grows when it's on the vine.
A handful of thorns and
you'll know you've missed it
You lose your love
when you say the word "mine".

NOW I CAN LOOK UP AT THE SKY AND IN MY EVIL MIND, MARVEL AT WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT AND FEEL THE GLORIOUS SUNSHINE. THEN ALONG COMES ONE OF THOSE PLANES. WHY AND WHO SEEKS TO DISTRUPT MY BLUE SKIES???? OH SILLY ME, IT'S ME!!!!You are observing the cumulative effects of thousands of years of "me on top, you below" mentality. It is exquisitely explained in Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn. I think I'm going to write the Church of the Subgenius and petition for him to be canonized.

LOVING THE ABUSEER HAS ONLY MADE THIS WORLD OVER TIME, BETER AND BETTER AND BETTER. CAN'T YOU SEE????!!!Loving my abuser has empowered me beyond belief. I am indestructible. Whereas beings who want to "get back" at the bastards who have made their lives hard will find themselves dissolving in the radioactive fallout which is the inevitable result of "me vs. you" predatory thinking.

I could go on and on, but this is ridiculous. 'LOWER SENTIENT BEINGS"???
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!:cool:I speak only for myself, with the hope of bringing some along for the ride. If your goal is to be "the glorious HUMAN", the end of your personal evolutionary ladder, you will be that end. As in, END.


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[foreverspirit]

Hi Seamus:

Wow, you just don't get it, do you!?! Let me make it easy. You are absolutely correct. I'm moving on.

All the best to you!:cool:

[mara of the acoma]

if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world.

I have never heard anyone say anything like that regarding LOA. Your statement proves you are extremely lacking in knowledge.

Do you not see these "laws" working in your everyday life? I'm certain you do.

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.

This doesn't mean it isn't real - it means people don't understand it. Big, BIG difference.

[mara of the acoma]

if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world.

I have never heard anyone say anything like that regarding LOA. Your statement proves you are extremely lacking in knowledge.

Do you not see these "laws" working in your everyday life? I'm certain you do.

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.

This doesn't mean it isn't real - it means people don't understand it. Big, BIG difference.



.... All is energy. What more can I say?

[purple is a fruit]

I have never heard anyone say anything like that regarding LOA. Your statement proves you are extremely lacking in knowledge.

Do you not see these "laws" working in your everyday life? I'm certain you do.



This doesn't mean it isn't real - it means people don't understand it. Big, BIG difference.

Huge difference HUGE;)

[thirdwave]

HI SEAMUS:



YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE ANIMALS BEING UNJUSTLY TORTURED IN LABS ASKED FOR THAT?????!!!!!






No, and this is not what the "LOA" states either... you have miss understood.

the reason our thougts manifest things is because our thoughts manifest out feelings and moods and its our feelings and moods that create ......

now an animal does not have to think about having poison put in its food in order for it to manifest.... just like a baby does not have to ask to be abused for it to be abused... allthough thinking of these direct things may well mainfest them.... but they simply need put out a feeling which invites such things to happen...

for example an animal will more then likely manifest problems into its life as its allways fearing for saftly and survivle because it understands there are smarter or faster things around it that do not care for it... and all it has to do is focus more and mroe on the fear and what it does not want to feel, and this is more than enough to see it in an animal test lab.. infact it may have alot to do with why animal test labs exsist.

a baby only needs to pick up on the saroundings its in to put out a bad vibration... and this does not only mean the result of bad parants.... it could mean over worrying parents ... ones that stress out to much.


the LOA is very logical.

[purple is a fruit]

Seamus is not seeing the bigger picture here
he is simply isolating things and trying to make sense of them in his brain.
There is a BIG picture here.
The world is simply a mirror reflecting back to us what we put out to be reflected back.
This is collective.
If you cannot understand this, perhaps you are not meant to.

[bigus_dickus]

Seamus is not seeing the bigger picture here
he is simply isolating things and trying to make sense of them in his brain.
There is a BIG picture here.
The world is simply a mirror reflecting back to us what we put out to be reflected back.
This is collective.
If you cannot understand this, perhaps you are not meant to.

i'm lost... isn't that what seamus said?

as a matter of fact, what i observe from all the posts and from other threads, is that people are looking for the origins of evil and someone to take the blame.

ok then. all evil is my fault. i take full responsibility for it. now, what are you people going to do about it?

[thirdwave]

Seamus is not seeing the bigger picture here
he is simply isolating things and trying to make sense of them in his brain.
There is a BIG picture here.
The world is simply a mirror reflecting back to us what we put out to be reflected back.
This is collective.
If you cannot understand this, perhaps you are not meant to.

yeah i think you got the name muddled up :P ...poor Seamus!

[seamus]

i'm lost... isn't that what seamus said?

as a matter of fact, what i observe from all the posts and from other threads, is that people are looking for the origins of evil and someone to take the blame.

ok then. all evil is my fault. i take full responsibility for it. now, what are you people going to do about it?ROFLMAO Bigus you scored again! Like I said, blame is everyone's favorite drug. It's free and universally available on the spur of the moment. The only problem with it is that it makes you a prisoner of the constructs of your own misguided mind. :eek: That's a whole lot worse than ANY oppressor could ever do to you.

s

[Anders Lindman]

The Secret movie is as yet the most mainstream explanation of the LOA. In The Secret they talk about first getting happiness and then money and other things. Why not both at the same time? This makes me a bit suspicious about The Secret. Maybe there really is a LOA, but that The Secret presents it with a spin so that people will not really "get it". To hide something, put it into plain view, but with a slight twist. AND use mainstream media to hijack grassroot movements.

[seamus]

The Secret movie is as yet the most mainstream explanation of the LOA. In The Secret they talk about first getting happiness and then money and other things. Why not both at the same time? This makes me a bit suspicious about The Secret. Maybe there really is a LOA, but that The Secret presents it with a spin so that people will not really "get it". To hide something, put it into plain view, but with a slight twist. AND use mainstream media to hijack grassroot movements.

Anders! Either You're becoming a genius or I'm just starting to understand you :D.

s

[bigus_dickus]

Maybe there really is a LOA, but that The Secret presents it with a spin so that people will not really "get it". To hide something, put it into plain view, but with a slight twist. AND use mainstream media to hijack grassroot movements.

the same goes for every movie out there and for people basing their lives on movies. i mean, you watch a movie and then live your life according to it as a gospel without opening a single book? jeeezus..
if that's what you are doing, then you'd better do the secret than the apocalypse.
(although you will use the secret to bring any apocalypse)

[seanx]

Why bother with the simplistic pop-psychology of the Secret?

if you want a real understanding of conscious creation - read David
icke's Tales of the Time Loop.

[purple is a fruit]

Seamus is not seeing the bigger picture here
he is simply isolating things and trying to make sense of them in his brain.
There is a BIG picture here.
The world is simply a mirror reflecting back to us what we put out to be reflected back.
This is collective.
If you cannot understand this, perhaps you are not meant to.

yeah sorry got wrong person, i read the post above and got the wrong name, I apologise :)

P

[mara of the acoma]

if you want a real understanding of conscious creation - read David icke's Tales of the Time Loop.

Are you SERIOUS?

[mada88]

The tennis game continues! back and forth, all the vibrations the system feeds on and needs. The game will continue until the players realize its only a game and it doesn't mean shit.

[seamus]

yeah sorry got wrong person, i read the post above and got the wrong name, I apologise :)

P
That's what I fingered :rolleyes:

Hey BTW love the new Av. LOL! Uh-oh...

HAHAHAHA!

s

[multiverse]

I can answer that question quite readily. See through subliminal programming, I can. :D To hide something most effectively you put it into plain view. What do they put in plain view in The Secret? Well, money of course! If you watch this movie too much you will, if you are not alert enough, be programmed to think that money is not the most important thing for you personally to use the LOA for. You will believe that everybody else will use the LOA for attracting money, but that you yourself are above such greediness. At the same time EVERYBODY ELSE who has been brainwashed by The Secret WILL THINK EXACTLY THE SAME THING!

There is already so much programming by all the world religions to make people feel that "material wealth is not important for spiritual realization" that I don't think they need The Secret to make people feel guilty to use it for wealth. If there is some kind of subliminal programming in The Secret, it might be something worse than this. Why do they use those rather ominous images to promote it, including the red seal on a black background and the all-seeing eye? Is it so that we know that whatever inner realizations we arrive at are always under "their" supervision? Or maybe its worse ... could they be using hidden programming to counteract our abilities to impact reality with our thoughts while we are watching a film that makes us think the contrary?!

Multiverse

[multiverse]

... Here is a quote from a member of (The Secret) forum (http://thesecret.powerfulintentions.com/forum/thesecret/message-view/1357828). I find the choice of words very telling...

"One "secret" that the founders of this forum seem to have discovered is how to create one of the most interesting forums on the internet. I so enjoy reading your posts, and it (the Secret forum) keeps me from taking life too seriously."

It is this bury your head in the sand mentality which is encouraged and widespread amongst people who buy into products like The Secret. Distract them from the hidden agenda, charge them for useless products which convince you that manifesting 'wealth' or 'love' is all there is. ... I would be interested to see what emerges by deconstructing the DVD ... and uncovering any hidden subliminals or other forms of mind control such as repetition.

Yes! So much of the new age and positive thinking movement is a "bury your head in the sand" approach. They are always saying that "all you have to do is think positively and you can get anything you want." But this kind of positivity necessitates denial ... denial of what is going on in the world and denial of what is going on inside ourselves. This kind of "deny social reality positive thinking" allows the perpetrators of world violence and control to keep getting away with it all.

All the best,

Multiverse

[multiverse]

Quote from Myeika: I am just pleased I saw it, and pleased that this disscusion has been on the forum, and pleased that I can share with you all.....

Yes, I too am glad to be able to have these conversations with so many interesting people with original ideas (though I am often frustrated to not always have the time to respond to everyone I would like to).

All the best,

Multiverse

[multiverse]

if you are concerned about that (subliminals in The Secret), I would not worry about a DVD that has got loads of attention on the internet.. I would never watch the News again and pretty much burn your TV.

Thanks for your concern. In fact, I don't have any television... its just not worth it!

I don't feel TV has any more effect on my self...

It is good to think of yourself as more powerful than the manipulators... but we cannot deny that subliminals are all around and can have an impact on us. Being conscious of the kinds of manipulations that are going on around us gives us a chance to counteract them. I think it is in the book, "The Age of Manipulation," where it is said that the simple fact of being aware of subliminals minimizes their impact...

I am sure that there is a lot of positive content in The Secret. My concern is that there might be another level of not-so-positive thinking that might be going on underneath the surface. It would be great for someone who has the technology to check if there are subliminals in it other than what you can see at face value.

Cheers,

Multiverse

[mada88]

I feel that we are all the centre of our own universes like the sun. So we are the star and stars attract a lot!
But its great to bring up the loa being wrong, it is right and its wrong :p

[bigus_dickus]

It would be great for someone who has the technology to check if there are subliminals in it other than what you can see at face value.

so, what are these face value subliminal messages about?

[multiverse]

It would be great for someone who has the technology to check if there are subliminals in [The Secret] other than what you can see at face value.

so, what are these "face value" subliminal messages about?

Hi Bigus Dickus,

Good question! What I mean by "face value subliminals" are images and messages that we can consciously see that can have the effect of contradicting the positive intent and principles in the film.

In the film, it states that there are three steps in the LOA process:

you must ask for what you want
you must believe that you can and will get what you want
you must "receive," which means that you must feel at one with what you want - you must feel the feeling of having what you want.

The film especially emphasizes the importance of the third principle and there are several important statements about it:

"You must put yourself in the frequency of what it is you want."
"It is important to feel good. When you feel good, you put yourself in the frequency of what it is that you are wanting."
"It's a feeling universe. If you just intellectually believe something, but don't have any corresponding feeling, [you won't get what you want]. You have to feel it."

From my perspective, these are very important principles, and the one about needing to feel what you want in order to manifest it is particularly important.

Unfortunately, there are things that go on in the film which contradict this positive feeling intent. What I mean by this is all the negative imagery and sound in the film: Here are some examples:

The film starts with numerous scary happenings and images which are meant to depict the dangers associated with having the secret.
Throughout the film, often after very positive scenarios, you repeatedly return to the picture of a depressive-looking woman with images and music which express fear.
Throughout the film, you repeatedly are shown inspirational quotes, but these texts are voiced over with an ominous, eerie sounding voice.
IMPORTANTLY, the most emotionally impactful scenes in the film are stories of life experiences, depicted with strong sounds and images, which express fear, violence and loss. Examples include accidents, hospital scenes, deaths in the family, etc.

Why are so many negative scenarios depicted with such force, using strong sounds and images, which can lead to viewers identifying with these negative events? Why not discuss and/or show these events in a more "intellectualized" manner, so as not to stir up negative emotions?

Going back to the statements associated with the 3rd principle (above), why does the film stir up so much negative emotion, since it is emotion which has such an essential role in creating our reality? As it is said in the film, "it is important to feel good" ... "You must put yourself in the frequency of what it is you want." In this important sense, the film's stirring up of negative emotion contradicts one of the most important principles that it expounds! By intentionally depicting these scenes so forcefully, the film puts the viewer in danger by putting negative scenarios in their thoughts and feelings which they may never have thought of or associated with before. And given that the film starts by showing the danger associated with knowing the secret throughout history, this further reinforces the potential dangers of knowing the secret today.

All the best.

[multiverse]

Hello All,

A principle expounded in The Secret that I would question is the strong message that is given about "not concentrating on negative things." In particular, the film says that we should not be anti-war or anti-anything.

It is a nice idea to be pro-peace, as the film suggests, instead of being anti-war. However, the film clearly communicates that we should not protest or demonstrate against the negative things going on in the world. "If you don't like one candidate, then vote for another." But what if all the electable candidates are part of the generalized system of manipulation and none of them is going to get us out of the quagmires that we are in? Should we just "think positively" and focus on our personal lives?

What about the loss of civil liberties? People being wiretapped with no warrent? People being imprisoned with no trial? What about governments kidnapping people in other countries, transporting them to prisons in different countries and torturing them? Microchipping? etc. etc. etc. Does the philosophy of The Secret teach us to ignore all of these things?

We already have so many "positive watchdogs" around us today. Is this film for the new generation of watchdogs?

All the best.

[mada88]

The Trap of Combative Dualism

montalk.net :: (CC) 28 October 06

The New Age “love and light” philosophies get plenty of criticism for being ignorant of the darker side of reality, for being steeped in denial and wishful thinking, and for turning its adherents into weak doormats. The “You Create Your Own Reality” concept (YCYOR) is central to the paradigm, based on the assumption that everything that happens outside of you is a reflection of what goes on inside you. Proof of this is offered via the observation that positive thinking attracts positive experience and negative thinking attracts negative experiences – which is accurate, as far as I can tell.

But YCYOR makes a fatal mistake in reasoning that dark influences can therefore be kept out of one’s reality by denying their existence. The problem is that ignorance and denial of something that has its own independent existence gives it room to maneuver in ways you refuse to perceive. The darkness within, your shadow side, has its own agenda and desires that continue to operate no matter how much you try to pretend it’s not there, and they will manipulate your thoughts and behavior without you knowing it. Likewise, the darkness outside of you, namely the plethora of predatory forces in human and nonhuman forms as well as the external consequences of poor choices made over the years, will inevitably give you a rude awakening from denial. In other words, when wishful thinking and denial is chosen over awareness and responsibility, things catch up with you sooner or later. For further discussion on YCYOR, please see my article True Reality Creation

Needless to say, getting severely burned by wishful positive thinking or seeing the ignorance and hypocrisy it induces in others can make you want to run the other way. But you can run away so reactively that you slide right into the opposite trap, which is extreme negativity and combative dualism. For instance, if YCYOR does not work out for you, it is easy to get bitter and throw the baby out with the bathwater, rejecting “positive thinking” as a form of weakness and denial when, in truth, the problem was that the positive attitude was not accompanied by balanced awareness. So instead of positivity combined with awareness, you might choose awareness at the expense of positivity. This is bad because while awareness prepares you to deal with negative phenomena, a negative attitude actually increases the occurrence and severity of such phenomena. It’s like becoming aware that a pipe has burst and fighting to patch it without first turning off the water valve.

To clarify, dualism is the belief in two things irreconcilably divided, such as “good vs evil” or “spirit vs matter”, while what I call combative dualism is acknowledging there is darkness but getting psychotically zealous about destroying it to the point of becoming increasingly like it. This extreme dualism is rooted in ego seeking retribution for perceived injustices but using ego-based means of achieving that retribution. Those steeped in this mindset boast about being realists while justifying their stance by scoffing at more subjective alternatives like the New Age paradigm. Of course, they are thinking in binary terms because they are not aware, or unwilling to acknowledge, a third and more holistic perspective. They see only what is false in one half-truth, true in another half-truth, and push the latter as vastly superior to the first when both are equally defective.

An interesting thing happens to those who have a fear-based preoccupation with dark influences in their lives. They start shadow-boxing a variety of phenomena that they themselves are responsible for creating or drawing in. What kind of phenomena? Depends on their belief system, but here I mean something like a massive increase in suspicious characters following them in public, black helicopter harassment, signs of tampering and monitoring, constant tormenting by dark astral and etheric entities, ongoing violent alien abductions, and so on. These things may have their own independent existence, but they are drawn in and enabled by skewed awareness and negative attitude, especially – and this is important – when one mistakes these “attacks” as necessary confirmation that one is on the right track, that one has irritated the dark forces by throwing a wrench in their works. This mistaken belief only serves to further reinforce what has already become a turbulent path in life.

Negative attitudes come with a lowered soul frequency, and a lowered frequency induces more frequent misperceptions and greater tangibility of interactions with negative entities. So the fear and combativeness actually attract more things to fear and fight than necessary. Contrary to YCYOR, losing the negative attitude is not enough to solve the problem since even if you don’t attract something, that something can still volitionally attract itself to you, so that is where awareness comes in to mentally block or physically nip such problems in the bud.

When confronted by the fact that dark forces exist and are operative in your life and the world, something innocent within you dies. But that innocence is just naivete that had to go sooner or later, so good riddance. Still, something like the five-stages of grief can take place: denial (“Nope, not real.”), fear (“Oh my god!”), anger (“Sons of bitches!”), acceptance (“Nothing I can do about it…”), understanding (“Aha, now I see the bigger picture”). New Age wishful thinking is located in the first stage. Combative dualism is stuck at the fear and anger stages, where awareness of the problem is unaccompanied by higher understanding, a more balanced attitude, or awareness of the positive side of reality. Its center of gravity is the ego, and the ego’s idea of positive is whatever strokes, soothes, and feeds it.

Only through comprehensive awareness combined with a balanced attitude of positivity does the center of balance shift towards the heart of the soul, and only then through responsibility in your actions does the circuit finally complete and life turns around for the better. There is a difference between combative dualism and balanced dualism. I’m all for dualism, since the very existence of freewill must allow for the choice to respect or reject Creation and that necessarily establishes the positive and negative halves of the spiritual evolutionary ladder. The key is to be aware of both halves of the duality and how each fits into the greater whole. There is unity in the essence of duality, and duality in the expression of unity. Understanding this greater context gives you the needed perspicacity and wisdom to effectively deal with problems without loosing your spiritual footing.

With increased awareness, attitude adjustment, and some introspection those caught in the trap of negative and combative dualism can pull themselves out of it. Here are some suggestions for attaining this.

Replace emotional paranoia and cocky combativeness with humility, humor, and nonchalance. Yes negative forces exist and have an interest in challenging your spiritual progress, but ego / fear / obsession are to them what blood is to a shark. Laugh off their scare tactics and they realize their investment in screwing with you isn’t paying off. Treat the threat as you would the danger of being run over when crossing a road – don’t get bug-eyed and madly dash across or you might trip and indeed get run over, or hop around the street shouting and flipping off traffic or you might get shot, just calmly look both ways and cross…
Learn to use your intent combined with positive emotion to manifest protection and other beneficial things. Acknowledge and nurture the spiritual power and confidence within you rather than depending solely on external gimmicks and gadgets. And if you try any sort of manifesting or prayer routine, keep in mind it’s not the content of that routine so much as the deep-seated attitude behind it that produces results. If you pray for being saved by a higher power, yet maintain a deep-seated attitude of victimization and disempowerment, then the latter is what you’ll manifest.
Become aware of your emotional issues like egotism, pissiness, victimhood, vengefulness, self-importance, and insecurities instead of denying and suppressing them. Denial allows them to fester and build in pressure until they explode and cause you to react irrationally and emotionally. Denial also allows them to secretly form the foundation of your belief system, displacing what should instead be a pure interest in the pursuit of truth. When belief is tied to ego-based identity, anyone challenging that belief will be perceived by the ego as an attack upon its own existence, and the response can be quite nasty. Become aware of these issues and then you can deal with them.
Stop thinking that getting attention from dark forces suggests they are taking revenge for something good you have done, that this means you are necessarily on the right path. No, the more you get off track the more easily they can toy with you, and the more your reality becomes abrasive as a feedback mechanism warning you off having gone astray. If you really are a threat, these forces won’t play around with flashy theatrics – they will go for the kill, either by trying to eliminate you through accident or illness, or sneaking through the backdoor of your mind and programming you to destroy yourself and everything you have worked for without you realizing it. I know this from experience.
Sharpen your critical thinking skills, become better at spotting logical fallacies and subjectivity. Also practice reading the vibes of people for any signs of them being “off” — vibe should feel like that of a used car salesman who knows he’s selling you a lemon, smooth but off. Becoming aware of deception immunizes you and leaves you open to explore more fruitful avenues.
Broaden your research into new subjects. If someone is labeled a disinformation agent, check out his or her material for yourself and come up with several reasons why that accusation is true or false. Hunt down quality sources that give you new insights and empower you with new chunks of knowledge.
Without sacrificing awareness of how dark forces operate and what their influence has been on you and the world around you, adjust your attitude to be more constructive, hopeful, and good-natured. Practice seeing the beauty in people and things. Put more of your energy into seeding and growing something that makes you spiritually fulfilled — you are not combatting dark forces directly so much as starving them by creating a better alternative. The purpose of all this is mainly to get your vibes back up so that you’re no longer neck-deep in shark-infested waters. (see article: Realm Dynamics). Even if conditions are shitty, make a conscious choice to stay lucid and emotionally above water instead of drowning in negativity and self-loathing. Keep a check on your thoughts and emotions, as what goes on within does correlate loosely with what goes on outside.
In An Outline of Esoteric Science Rudolf Steiner wrote:

An additional way of training our thinking and feeling is by acquiring a quality we can call “positivity.” There is a beautiful legend that tells of Christ Jesus and several other people walking past a dead dog. The others all turned away from the ugly sight, but Christ Jesus spoke admiringly of the animal’s beautiful teeth. We can practice maintaining the soul-attitude toward the world that this legend exemplifies. The erroneous, the bad, and the ugly must not prevent the soul from finding the true, the good, and the beautiful wherever they are present. We must not confuse positivity with being artificially uncritical or arbitrarily closing our eyes [YCYOR] to things that are bad, false, or inferior. It is possible to admire a dead animal’s “beautiful teeth” and still see the decaying corpse; the corpse does not prevent us from seeing the beautiful teeth. We cannot consider bad things good and false things true, but we can reach the point where the bad does not prevent us from seeing the good and errors do not keep us from seeing the truth.

[bigus_dickus]

By intentionally depicting these scenes so forcefully, the film puts the viewer in danger by putting negative scenarios in their thoughts and feelings which they may never have thought of or associated with before. And given that the film starts by showing the danger associated with knowing the secret throughout history, this further reinforces the potential dangers of knowing the secret today.

hello. i must have missed this post...

a few questions, if you don't mind.

why do they want to distract people to do the negative stuff?

have you read their other material? is the same going on there too?

who are these people anyway and what do they want?

have you observed this happening in reality? is there evidence or proof? (i mean the negative effect of the LOA that is issued from the film, as you said)

what would you suggest to "the secret"'s viewers after having watched the film?

what would be the appropriate way to watch, feel and interpret the film?

thanks.

[quelyn]

I don't want to engage in any pro/con comments although I do believe/practice the Law of Attraction.
However, you want SCAM than listen to this. I received/responded/engaged in/completed an online ploy for a one time FREE 30 minute consultation on correctly applying the LOA. Basically, after listening to a small pitch of what benefits I need and for $998.00 I would receive three future consultations to remove my molecular programming that is inhibiting my actualizing my positive intentions. There were lesser deals down to $198.00. The info "I needed" was familiar but what a bummer! NO INTEGRITY HERE~!

[marcus]

LoA is fine. But what we are seeing with the like of "The Secret" is the capitalistic version.

But then perhaps that is the only way to explain so that the bulk of western people even have a chance of understanding it.

The interesting this is - what sort of reality could be created by sub-consciously harnessing and direction millions of people's thought...

[mada88]

Oh man, I was flicking through tv on friday and I came across that loose women show. And they where talking about the secret book!
"How you can change your life by thinking positive"
It sounds like that noel edmons book. I don't like the idea of not looking at negative things. Unless you want to live in a one seasoned world with happy smiley people.

[andreadoria]

I am beginning to think that the LOA is the biggest con being manufactured to keep people in denial whilst brainwashing them into thinking that none of the negative stuff really exists or that there is in fact no out there.



Please don't confuse The Secret Marketing with the LOA, even if i think this is a very positive way to give some kind of knowledge to a large scale of public. 1st of all, you have to understand that the "normal" people doesn't know nothing about Quantum Physic and all the theories, so you have to explain them in a easy easy easy easy and then easy way. But i have to testify that this law is more than real, and i get surprised every time for how much is so precise. Try it and judge. Whatever they say, if they are talking about creation or influence, it works... so what's the problem? I think that sometimes "conspiracies theorist" like us, get habit to think negative on everything. Bring the light, where is dark, and enjoy the power of it... sometimes... :o

[amadeus]

Great thread! It took a while to read through it...

I use LOA every time to get a parking slot(as the guy in the film)-and it works every time! I'm deadly serious, it works. I see the "ordering of the parking slot" like my thought is affecting someone in the past(to drive away). Because everything is happening NOW i can affect the "past".

Not so much to add to the earlier comments. I tend to agree the most with 'thirdwave' and 'bigus dickus' on this subject, great posts guys!

I don't measure the film "The Secret" by it's presentation or hidden agenda, but by the influence it has on people. Did it do something good for me - or not? Did it contribute to my awareness or not? Most certainly it did. I felt great after watching it AND it also raised a whole lot of questions which made me research a whole lot of stuff. I don't anymore agree with everything they present in the film...and...that means i am a bit more aware of things now. Thanks to the film ;)

[fantabulous]

Mere humans are toys for the next level to play with. If you analyze the structure of reality, you eventually find that a second level of reality exists.

If you closely examine " MOTION ", you eventually discover that all objects are in motion with a fixed magnitude of motion.

If you are at rest in Space, then this fixed magnitude of motion is directed across the dimension Time of the open dimensions of Space-Time.

If you were to set the direction of the fixed magnitude of motion to being across Space only , then you are no longer in motion across the dimension of Time, and thus you are at a stand still in Time. The speed of this motion across Space would be measured as being the speed of light.

Now picture a 1 foot ruler extending across Space, and that you and the ruler are at rest in Space, and are therefore in motion across Time. You are still on the move. If you then change your direction of travel across Space-Time, you are also rotating in Space-Time as you proceed to change your direction of travel across that Space-Time.

Then end result of this is

1) Your ruler has begun to extend across the dimension of Time.
2) Your ruler has begun to extend less across the dimension of Space.
3) You have begun to move across the dimension of Space.
4) You have begun to move less across the dimension of Time, and thus your clocks have begun to slow down.

If you then perform a geometric analysis of this, it produces an equation as such

1) L = L' * Sqrt( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )

2) t2 - t1 = t'2 - t'1 * Sqrt( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )

( L is the Spatial length, t2 - t1 is a measure time period )

Now imagine that your ruler is let's say 300,000 km long. ( It's an extra long ruler ) Let's now say that it is in motion across Space at 260,000 km per second. At this speed, based on equation #2, all your clocks will be ticking at half speed. But let's also say that you have two clocks, and one is located at one end of the ruler, and the other is located at the opposite end.

Now if you recall, the ruler rotates across the dimension of Time if the direction of the constant motion includes motion across the dimension of Space. A geometric analysis of this shows that the clock at the rear end of the ruler is ahead of the ruler at the front by v/c which is 0.8660254 sec..

This becomes interesting. If you were to send a light pulse going from the rear end of the ruler towards the front, then the light would be traveling in the same direction across Space as is the ruler. It therefore takes a long time for the light to reach the front end. In fact it takes 3.7320508 sec..

But if you used your ruler clocks to measure how long it takes for the light to travel from rear end to front end of the ruler, then step one is to recall that the ruler clocks are ticking at half speed, and so the 3.7320508 sec. time period becomes ( 3.7320508 sec. / 2 ) or 1.8660254 sec..

On top of that, the clock at the rear end of the ruler is ahead of the clock at the front by 0.8660254 sec., and so if the light is released at 0:00.00 at the rear end, then at that same time the clock at the front reads -0:00.8660254 .

Thus you must add this ( -0:00.8660254 ) reading to the measurement of the time the light takes to complete its trip, thus ( t = 1.8660254 sec. + ( -0:00.8660254 ) = 1.0 sec. .

And so it seems as thought it takes 1 second for the light to complete the trip.
You therefore measure light traveling from end to end of your 300,000 km ruler in 1 sec., which is therefore the speed of light !

If we choose to send the light in the opposite direction, it would only take 0.2679492 sec. to complete the trip. Of course the clocks are running at half speed, and so the time period becomes measured as 0.1339746 sec. .

Now since the clock at the rear is ahead of the clock at the front by 0.8660254 sec., you must therefore add this to the 0.1339746 sec., hence the final measurement becomes ( 0.1339746 sec. + 0.8660254 sec. = 1.0 sec. ).

And so it seems as thought it takes 1 second for the light to complete this trip as well.
You therefore measure light traveling from end to end of your 300,000 km ruler in 1 sec., which is therefore the speed of light !

As I said, the 0.8660254 sec. time period is calculated by v/c, but that is only because the ruler is 300,000 km in length. If the ruler were shorter then we would have to take this difference into account. A geometric analysis of this produces the following equation.

3) t' = ( t - v / c^2 * x ) / SQRT( 1- v^2/ c^2 )

This is identical to the time equation of the Lorentz Transformation Equations.

And the beat goes on.

If you simply analyze motion, you end up with equations which are identical to those presently named as the Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction Equation, the Time Dilation Equation, the Lorentz Transformation Equations, and the Velocity Addition Equation.

So here we have the same equations, and all is based on the fact that Space-Time is an open environment of which we constantly move through.

The next step explains things such as Particle-Wave behavior of Photons for instance.

We exist in a Relativistic plane of reality in which everything is related to something else. This plane of reality moves through the open dimension of Time, such that one point in time can be related to another. The open dimension of Time extends across all Time. This is the Holistic plane of reality.

Now if we do an experiment such as the famous Two Slit Particle-Wave experiment, and we simply look at the outcome of the experiment, then this becomes an Event that takes place. The outcome is a wave like pattern at the destination wall that the light strikes. This, in its entirety, becomes a Holistic Event.

Photons spin. As they move across space they therefore move across space with a corkscrew shaped path due to this spin.

Now, from the Holistic point of view, one is able to look across time and thus if the experiment takes 10 seconds, then the entire 10 seconds can be viewed all at once. The same applies to governing the Event. A photon's complete corkscrew path, from the source to the destination, is all seen at once from the Holistic point of view. Because of this, this entire funny shaped path can interfere with other photons complete path. The end result of such interference of these complete corkscrew paths, produces the wave like pattern at the destination wall.

If, on the other hand, we monitor the photons passing through the two slits, then each detection of a photon at these locations becomes an event also. These real time events therefore replace the chance of the larger Holistic event from occurring. With this being the case, the Photons now interfere with each other in the form of just being particles that are at a specific place at a specific time, rather than complete corkscrew shaped paths interfering with each other. This return to particle behavior, is known as the Collapse of the Quantum Wave.

OK, that takes care of that.

What's the point of all this ???

Well, it proves that there are two planes of reality, and one of them extends across the dimension of Time, and as religion states, there are others on the other side, or other plane, and that their minds extend across time which therefore makes their minds huge.

Now since Events can be governed from the either side, and that incudes event control from the Holistic side, simple events such as the controlling of our minds can be done from the Holistic side. And so why not make jackasses out of the mere humans.

Some of these Event controls can seem quite miraculous to the mere humans, since we see only the effect outcome of the Event, and can NOT see the cause of the Event, since the source is within the Holistic plane, and not in ours.

Therefore if the silly humans start " BELIEVING " something, then those in the Holistic plane can make fun of such beliefs.

Just a theory !

[a_fighter]

I believe in LOA very much. I have bought some books on it and watched the secret. And it is far from a scam. By thinking positively, you change your perception of the world to a better one. You interpert what others say in a positive way. And yes, everything goes your way when you are positive.

[montag]

I believe in LOA very much. I have bought some books on it and watched the secret. And it is far from a scam. By thinking positively, you change your perception of the world to a better one. You interpert what others say in a positive way. And yes, everything goes your way when you are positive.
I could of told you that for free..:D

[phoenix1]

There is much in Comic Law.. anf they are many aspects and principles the Law of Attraction is but one.

Abslutely..it IS LAW (not in the linear rational sense ot the term)

PhoenixAttracted

[infinitetruth]

The more positive energy we can create the better in my opinion - whether law of attraction works or not - if everyone had positive thoughts it would create a positive atmosphere. Everyone knows that feeling when they walk into a room that people have been arguing in - its an awkward atmosphere and whether thats created by the subtle body language or not it is still undeniable that there is something influencing you in the room. You decide how to act based on those influences and most of the time we do it without thinking - just like robots

If we stopped to think after we walked into the room and broke the robotic pattern - thought to ourselves 'hang on, I'm not going to let this atmosphere effect me emotionally and control my actions, I'm going to emit love and positive thoughts' - then you have changed the atmosphere, you have broke the pattern - you have stopped being a robot.

It doesn't mean you have denied the truth about what happened, there was an atmosphere, you didn't ignore it you just choose to deal with it differently than before, thats real freedom. Feelings and emotions can trap you into robotic actions you act without thinking. If you stop and think, you are breaking the cycle.

So what about the illuminati? Perhaps we should try not to behave in a predictable emotional manner to the news, the lies and the control. Perhaps stopping this is breaking the cycle - emitting love and a positive outlook - acknowledging the truth while dealing with that truth in a positive way. No matter what anyone does we always have power to control our thoughts and our actions. We can always emit positive energy no matter what everyone else is doing. Positivity doesn't stop you from fighting the information war. It just helps you do it in a different way, and probably a better way.

[lightbeing]

I know the Law of Attraction is real, time & distance has no meaning for this.........

[cyberdaemon]

Try? What is there to try, its happening all the time, isn't it? I'm doing it right now, I attracted this experience...

Matrix Morpheus said once nice words about that - Stop trying to hit me and hit me.Another words , one thing is trying , another is doing!

I personally think that LOA has a good point in it.More you pay attention to something , more you attract that into your life.

[smariot]

There is much in Comic Law.

The truth finally comes out. You know, I've always suspected that life was nothing more than the punchline to one of God's jokes.

[sgabllab]

im still not sure about this law of attraction,
but at moment im trying to use it to attract a bird to
shit a yingyang on my right rearview mirror.:D

[mada88]

http://www.zeropoint.ca/TheSecret.html

[cyberdaemon]

I could of told you that for free..:D

I got my copy of "The Secret" for free ;) Hint : Torrent Download...

There is a perfect video that explains the ways how LOA works.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mada88]

Law of Attraction vs Law of Awareness

02/13/2007 The Law of Attraction says that you synchronistically attract from the outside what you resonate with on the inside, that you can also bring into your life what you momentarily strongly focus upon. So by having an optimistic attitude and focusing on success, one attracts these, while having a cynical depressed attitude attracts negative experiences.

At the same time, however, experience shows that negative possibilities manifest when we least expect them, and that anticipating them is what actually keeps them from happening. So how can focusing on negative possibilities attract them in one case, and prevent them in another? That is the paradox to address in this article.

All we have to do is look at some typical cases and find the one rule that accounts for them all. Consider the following:

You think in a matter-of-fact way about everything that could go wrong, and find that by doing so things actually turn out surprisingly well.
You adopt an optimistic happy-go-lucky attitude and pretty soon positive opportunities come to you synchronistically.
You consciously intend for safe passage or protection and receive it.
You experience the one accident or problem that you did not expect.
You have a gnawing dread that things will go wrong, but ignore this feeling and avoid thinking about it, and sure enough things do go wrong.
You have a deep-seated fear, your mind is constantly preoccupied with all the ways this fear can come true, and soon the very thing you feared does indeed manifest.
You have an optimistic attitude but ignore thinking about negative possibilities, and eventually something bad happens that you are not prepared to handle.
I have experienced all of these myself, and know plenty of others who have as well. So these can be taken as factual data points. Each represents one expression of a single unified reality principle. By pondering what they all have in common and how they all differ, it is possible to piece together this principle.

To me it all boils down to this:

1) Awareness, anticipation, and conscious attention select or block possibilities.

2) Emotional resonance, root assumptions, and subconscious beliefs attract them.

When you expect various negative possibilities, are you merely aware of them, or do you really believe deep down that they are inevitable and therefore dread them in some way? The difference is between prudence and paranoia, between mental anticipation and emotional investment. You can be aware of a negative possibility while having zero emotional investment in it. Like casually crossing the street after having looked both ways to avoid getting hit, yet without a single pang of fear as a young child might have when crossing alone for the first time. And you can be in emotional resonance with something while not even thinking about it consciously. Like having deeply suppressed issues gnawing away at your subconscious despite denying them on the surface.

You think in a matter-of-fact way about everything that could go wrong, and find that by doing so things usually turn out surprisingly well.
By anticipating these negative possibilities, you become aware of them. Since awareness blocks, these fail to manifest. Being matter-of-fact keeps you nonchalant and prudent (instead of fearful and paranoid) and without emotional investment in those negative possibilities you do not attract them either. And after consistently noticing this technique leads to good results, despite your conscious expectation of problems each time, your underlying confidence in the technique ensures that your emotions / subconscious / soul-energy resonate with and attract a positive outcome.

You adopt an optimistic happy-go-lucky attitude and pretty soon positive opportunities come to you synchronistically.
Positive emotions and an optimistic attitude attract outcomes that reinforce those very feelings, and so these manifest in synchronistic ways. But because negative outcomes are not acknowledged here, while you are not attracting them, you are not necessarily blocking them either. So they can still happen.

You consciously intend for safe passage or protection and receive it.
Here you are mentally focusing on the idea of being protected from harm, and emotionally resonating with same. Awareness plays the role of selecting that outcome to the exclusion of all others, while emotion attracts and somewhat anchors it into place. So although you are not blocking negative possibilities by thinking specifically of all the ways things could go wrong, and instead are merely selecting one positive outcome where all goes well, the fact that the positive outcome is also attracted through resonance gives it superior priority for manifestation over those negative outcomes that would otherwise manifest as a matter of chance.

You experience the one accident or problem that you did not expect.
Without being aware of that possibility, you neither blocked its manifestation nor selected an exclusively better alternative to anchor into place through resonance. So it was free to manifest, and anything from resonance to random chance to malicious intent by others could nudge it onto your path.

You have a gnawing dread that things will go wrong, but ignore this feeling and avoid thinking about it, and sure enough things do go wrong.
The perfect recipe for disaster. Not only do you resonate with and attract the negative possibility through ego insecurity, self-destructive beliefs, paranoia, or fear, but by refusing to even think about them in a strategically preventive manner you give them wide berth to manifest.

You have a deep-seated fear, your mind is constantly preoccupied with all the ways this fear can come true, and soon the very thing you feared does indeed manifest.
Even worse, here you do think about the negative possibilities but in a way that actually selects them for reinforcement by a negative attitude that resonates and attracts them. This combination virtually guarantees that they happen.

[This is the primary way that negative aliens and other non-3D hostiles can gain a foothold in your reality. If you focus on them and fear them obsessively, things will gradually get very weird and very dangerous because you’ve lowered the drawbridge and waved them in. However if you become aware of them while staying free of emotional preoccupation and obsession, then you are more protected from their meddling than someone who never became aware of them at all.]

You have an optimistic attitude but ignore thinking about negative possibilities, and eventually something bad happens that you are not prepared to handle.
Simply resonating with positive ensures that perhaps up to 90% of your experiences end up being positive. However, the only way to prevent the negative 10% is to be aware of them. Without that awareness, they can and will eventually happen. Therefore, naive positivity that comes with total ignorance of anything negative or unpleasant is not smart at all. Better to be aware of the negative while keeping a positive attitude.

In summary, while the Law of Attraction explains how you attract resonant experiences, its counterpart the Law of Awareness explains how you constrict the possible range of experiences.

The Technical Stuff

You might be wondering why precisely awareness selects while emotional resonance attracts. My intuitive impression is that quantum mechanics plays a role. When a quantum system is not observed, it stays in a fluid wave state spread across a spectrum of probabilities. But when one observes or tries to measure it, the wave collapses into a single tangible state. Conscious observation turns a fluid probability wave into a definite tangible particle. Well on the macroscopic scale, where we are the observers and a quantum system is our entire bubble of personal reality, the rules are fuzzier and more complex.

When you become aware of a probable future, you are observing it, but only partially because it is not a certainty. But whereas observing a quantum wave in the present collapses it into a definite state, observing a wave still in the future merely constricts it a little, reducing its fluidity and therefore interfering with its ability to manifest synchronistically in the present. Synchronicity is how the future becomes the present through an entirely quantum process. The more certain you are that a particular future will happen, the more that future is frozen and kept from manifesting through quantum / synchronistic means. This simply implies that instead of coming to you synchronistically, you would have to go toward it causally. For instance, synchronicity could unexpectedly bring you a hundred dollars if given freedom to flow toward you, or you could work for several hours to earn it as expected. It’s like waiting at the end of a river to intercept a raft versus freezing the river and walking towards the raft. So this is why awareness blocks, selects, and filters – because it freezes the future. That is good if you want to freeze out negative futures, but not good if eager anticipation shuts out positive futures.

There is also a bit of Timeline Dynamics involved here. If a certain future involves you getting sideswiped by negative forces, then that future has a good probability of happening. That makes it a stronger future, whose feedback effects travel back into the present and attract you toward it. For instance, you might feel a mental tug to do something, to forget something, commit an error, etc… that results in getting unexpectedly ambushed. But if you become aware of the attack ahead of time, then that prepares you to successfully handle it and utterly demolishes the future where you were hit out of the blue. This cuts off the feedback loop from that future, which then frees you mentally and emotionally from its pressure in the present. That is why if you are under hyper-dimensional attack, very often the moment you become aware of the real reason for what is happening, and especially if you realize what the negative forces have planned, suddenly all the negative psychic pressure lifts and the threat evaporates. Through awareness, you literally “head off” the negative future. It’s like the saying, “To never have to use a weapon, have one handy.”

As for how your internal resonance attracts corresponding probable futures, that is more a phenomenon of Realm Dynamics. It is entirely a quantum thing, because the attracted experiences always manifest synchronistically. Whereas conscious awareness decreases quantum fluidity, subconscious resonance increases the pressure behind any quantum fluidity that does exist, thereby heightening synchronistic manifestation. It is no surprise then that consciousness constricts while the subconscious attracts; the conscious mind to the subconscious is what the particle is to its wave. In fact, certain shamanic techniques employing “second attention” appear to be methods for intentionally delocalizing the conscious focal point so that one perceives more the fluid / quantum nature of things than the single tangible slice we know as physical reality.

When your mind is delocalized, such as when you are coming out of sleep and thoughts are still highly nonlinear (and before you feel yourself “compressed” back into your body), that is when using the Law of Attraction works really well. Also, you may have noticed how when you have a passing thought about something you need, a thought that you quickly forget about, very often those tend to materialize most quickly and magically. Because not only were you entirely absorbed in the thought, but you were also in a slight trance state (mental delocalization), and afterwards forgot about it, so that anticipation did not block its outcome. And from a higher perspective, it is a pure and unselfish act when you ask for something from the depths of your heart this way without being self-conscious or commanding.

The Cassiopaeans advised people to always expect attack, that knowledge protects and ignorance endangers, and that having a happy-go-lucky attitude and practicing non-anticipation of positive things opens the flow for their manifestation. I did not grok this stuff until realizing it myself years later after much observation and pondering, afterwards understanding in retrospect why what the Cassiopaeans said was good and self-consistent advice. There is the issue of whether simply being aware, being non-anticipatory, and having a higher soul vibration through spiritual devotion is enough to make everything fall into place — whether intentionally engaging in reality creation by visualizing and energizing desired futures is even necessary. The latter gets into the sticky territory of black magic if done too often, too selfishly, and too intensely, whereby the higher flow of things is forcefully twisted to serve egotistical ends. I think that a humble approach that does not trivialize one’s own spiritual sovereignty is a balanced approach, one that recognizes that active reality creation (through visualization and so on) is a supplementary tool to be used only when necessary, and that it is the consistent fundamental modes of awareness, attitude, and action that count most.

- From Montalk.net http://montalk.net/notes/law-of-attraction-vs-law-of-awareness

[kblood]

Usually I try to follow the law of attraction, since I believe in it. I do follow the laws of awareness as well, but mostly when I am cynical. Also when I have to go out of my own way to do things that I do not usually do. If something is a kind of routine for me, I have already done it following the laws of awareness and therefore I have these in my mind doing it next time. That also makes it easier for me to do it following the laws of attraction more "accurately" and it makes for me to be happier, and with a more posivite view on it.

In all situation that are new to me, I try to make a balance between the law of awareness and the law of attraction. I do not like unforseen surprises, and therefore I feel compelled to follow the laws of awereness instead of only following the laws of attracion.

All this being said, I still try to keep an eye on everything around me. Possible troublemakers and so on, and still being very discreet and casual about it. To avoid doing this, I simply have to avoid noticing those around me too much, so I do not look much at those around me. Meeting others with a more positive forthcomming attitude, I simply have to follow the laws of attraction, since they make for a better more open "hi" when I greet those I meet on my way. Easier to make a disarming smile and so on, following the laws of attraction.

It is a balance that some have mastered very well. I still try to find a better balance, and do not like it when I follow the laws of awareness too much. I know I do not have to, and usually it is simply a waste of energy. I guess we all need some sense of security and safety though. I get it by having some sense of control, but I feel so much more free without the sense of control ;)

[Anders Lindman]

I am trying to split myself into two perspectives; one with uncertainty and the other with certainty. The uncertainty perspective should only be used as I understand it for speculations, and these speculations should ALWAYS be taken as entertainment. The other perspective is 100% certain and should be used for effortless maneuvers in daily life.

The LOA must be seen in relation to TOTALITY. I AM the whole, yet I have my separate personality. If the LOA is to work it must resonate with the wholeness of existence. The LOA could easily become a trap if it is used with the perspective of uncertainty. When used with the certainty perspective it will work since the certainty perspective is always certain. :)

[drael]

I agree that the secret is a completely useless peice of misdirection. There are around 10 or twelve laws that control our universe together. Trying to use one of them, in ignorance of the others, to secure material gain is absurd. For one, detachment is one of the keys of any form of manifestation - chances are if you want it, you cant manifest it. Secondly as mentioned here, manifestation is a collective activity - wishing to be a lotto winner doesnt work cos every1 else wants to as well.

The purpose of any true seeker is to be free of such wants. Failing that a short study of magick will provide much deeper information on manifestation than the secret.

In general, the conversation this movie inspires is simply shallow and a distraction. Wouldnt surprise me if the world order was involved in making this movie turn out like it did.

[seer74]

The LOA is true!!!

nevertheless it is a mind-control CON!!!

within the matrix there is MUCH paradox!!!

[seer74]

to explain what I mean.

yes, to focus on what you want and what you want to have happen is essential for bringing about the desired results.

however, you will not focus on ending the imprisonment of your consciousness if you ignore the fact your consciousness is imprisoned...

get my drift???

[seer74]

likewise you will not focus on stopping the NWO if you pretend there is no NWO.

you will not focus on breaking out of the matrix if you pretend there is no matrix

etc, etc. and so on and so forth....

the LOA is an essential truth, from the right perspective

but all too often bent around to form a rational for NOT focusing on the desired result. Some people tell us based on the LOA "don't think about that" but one cannot focus on a desired change by not focusing on the current state, to ignore the current state is to not focus on changeing it. In this context it becomes a mind-control con.

[seer74]

I believe in the LOSH...


Law Of Shit Happens

[delamo1999]

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.[/QUOTE]


I saw the movie "The Secret" and although it had some good points, I was not convinced about it. The movie in my point of view focused on attaining material things. Also I had a hard time believing that that one famous guy cut out a picture of a house, pasted it on a board and then bought the same house years later.

I agree maybe this movie was one way to get us to occupy ourselves while they prepare us for the chip. Maybe I am missing the point, but I for one am looking to grow my spirituality.

:)

[seer74]

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.


I saw the movie "The Secret" and although it had some good points, I was not convinced about it. The movie in my point of view focused on attaining material things. Also I had a hard time believing that that one famous guy cut out a picture of a house, pasted it on a board and then bought the same house years later.

I agree maybe this movie was one way to get us to occupy ourselves while they prepare us for the chip. Maybe I am missing the point, but I for one am looking to grow my spirituality.

:)[/QUOTE]

I concur. and BTW keep growing that! :)

[alice1111]

Lately there seems to be a huge interest in LOA (Law of Attraction). There are even people who make such fluffy statements as if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world. Not only is this naive but giving people a warped version of reality.

I am beginning to think that the LOA is the biggest con being manufactured to keep people in denial whilst brainwashing them into thinking that none of the negative stuff really exists or that there is in fact no out there.

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.

Is LOA the biggest scam? YES!!!!!!!!!!!

[seamus]

Is LOA the biggest scam? YES!!!!!!!!!!!

what are you mad?

If the LOA were bogus, there is no way I could have attracted my fiancee into my life. She is exactly what I fantasized about for nearly 20 years (remember, gotta use feelings!) and even more! She is not just the perfect woman for me, she has been so for my last several lifetimes. I met her in the friggin Twelve Tribes, man! Totally not the place to look for a psychically-linked soul mate. Yet there she was, and I KNEW she was my wife. I saw red arrows and heard bells and a voice... and .. uh... didn't I say this a few months ago on this thread?

Well, you should listen to me, cause i speak truth!

LOA is real. And there IS no "out there" that is independent from what goes on in your head!

of course, the fluffy stuff is a bit much, but according to ho'oponopono, all you have to do is clear your revulsion at evil to make it go away.

I'm starting with the biggest evil of all: the stupidity of the human race.

Love,

s

[kblood]

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.


I saw the movie "The Secret" and although it had some good points, I was not convinced about it. The movie in my point of view focused on attaining material things. Also I had a hard time believing that that one famous guy cut out a picture of a house, pasted it on a board and then bought the same house years later.

I agree maybe this movie was one way to get us to occupy ourselves while they prepare us for the chip. Maybe I am missing the point, but I for one am looking to grow my spirituality.

:)[/QUOTE]

I saw "The Secret" as well, and yes I was quite surprised at how much it was aimed at solving all your personal problems with this, still although simple it isnt easy to use. Many factors play in, like the earlier post said, too many wants to win the lottery. What if those behind lotteries knows about LOA and that a lottery is such a good deal, because with the focus of so many, it is less likely to happen for any of them.

Also, to try to "attract" winning the lottery is much too specific in my oppinion, and regardless wether it works in the way explained in "The Secret" or not, then it helps either way. It helps simply because you yourself believe in it. It is easier to get that promotion, if you got the confidense in it being possible. The boss will notice this and therefore is more likely to choose someone who seems certain about what he or she wants. Same goes for love.

Also, how many non-believers actually tried anything, without having the thought in the back of their head: This is bogus, this isnt going to work? Why am I even doing this, its silly?

How I use it is just to try keeping positive, focus on my goals, which is these days getting furniture for my apartment, and make sure I dont get too much debt at the same time. Quite realistic and controllable goals, but the day to day goals is having a good day. Helping customers, and have fun with my co-workers. If you first begin to get annoyed with life, it will only build up, unless you turn it around.

[kblood]

Also I have to add, it might be focused alot on each person, because it isnt easy to use LOA for others. That is when it takes a group effort.

[father ted]

I believe in a law of attraction, but not in the same way as has been put by shows like the secret. I'm not even sure the word "law" is suitable in this case, but you know what I mean.

[king crass]

I myself don't believe in laws, like the laws of physics as being real. I would say that there are certain constants, like it is a constant that what you think will manifest in this dimension. When you read about the different dimensions as described by people who travel to them in out of body experiences and stuff like that, they are vibrationally lighter than this one which is why whatever they think there manifests instantly, unlike this dimension, which is dense, which is why things don't manifest immediately. In this density, things will manifest either right away or later depending on the intensity of the thoughts of the willer. There was a PBS doc about 2, 3 years ago where there were these Tibetan monks that were able to dry wet towels on their back. It was awesome! Steam coming off of them and stuff. When you go out and look around at the way people act, they have this nonintense way of living their lives. This is drummed into us by the Illuminati through their MTV-McDonalds-Vogue Magazine culture where no one thinks for themself, everyone waits for someone else to do stuff for them. There aren't even that many obstacles in our path of manifesting what we want. One is the no I can't do this mentality, which can, itself be intense at times. WHen it acts like that you just have to think of it like an arm wrestling contest. The bad self-talk like I could never have this job, I could never do the things that Mr or Mrs Whoever does really gets to us too. There's a great book out by a guy called Shad Helmstetter titled What to Say When You Talk to Yourself. I highly reccommend it. I have done this to manifest many things on many occassions. This dimension is extraordinary dense. I can actually feel this at times. It is much like when you are underwater and it takes 3 times the effort to move quickly to where you want to get to go. Which is why you need a strong will and assert your power continuously. Everyone has the same infinite power because we really all are the Infinite One Consciousness. Quantum physics says that particles only change from waveform to particle form when we look at it. They collapse to our expectations. So we have to literally expect to see what we want, all the time. Literally. When that thought comes out of nowhere saying I can't do or I am not worthy of this we have to assert our power with a flood of HELL YES I DAMN WELL CANS. Don't hesitate to yell it out in your mind...if you really do want what you desire to manifest. we really don't want it even though we say that we do, it is ok to admit this. I say again, there is no spiritual difference between you and a Tibetan monk or a David Icke. It is merely degrees of assertion of personal power. Use the synchronicities to guide you in your way. To be open to them you have to be bee open to them. Look for something just astronomically out of the usual, like, when you are thinking hard about getting a job as a clown, and then a piece of paper hits you in the face saying, clown needed, great pay!! Look up the work of Deepak Chopra to understand this more in depth.

For all those who have the guts to take action to change their lives, get your butt out there and read everything you can find on those who do this sort of stuff all the time. Don't hesitate to use what I've wrote here either. God knows the Illuminati aren't hesitating from doing everything they can to stop you from doing so.

[dmessick]

Even though I practice LOA I'm still not convinced that what happens isn't just coincidence. Life just doesn't feel that 'magical'.

[crazed]

I just read most of the thread. Anyways I haven't read up on the LOA at all, but from what I've gathered while reading this thread, you guys seem to say that we reap what we sow.

Now, there were a couple of posters that made some really good points, namely: are all of those people in Iraq that are getting the shit bombed out of their country responsible for what is happening to them? Is it their fault that they are being bullied? Is it my fault that they are being bombed? Do I secretly hate Iraqis and want them to all die?

In my opinion, I think that maybe the LOA isn't the be all and end all rule. Maybe there are other factors contributing, maybe the LOA is a scam, maybe it's the universal law, we don't know, or then again maybe we do, but we are hiding from the truth.

Hehe, like one poster said before, "It's just a game," or even better: like Bill Hicks said, "It's just a ride; you can choose to get off whenever you want."

I think we all think too much :P. Just live life the way you want to live it, and always do what you think is right (and believe me, we always know what is right, but most of the time, maybe I'm speaking for myself, we always do something completely different, out of FEAR and CONVENIENCE).

My 2c.

[kblood]

I just read most of the thread. Anyways I haven't read up on the LOA at all, but from what I've gathered while reading this thread, you guys seem to say that we reap what we sow.

Now, there were a couple of posters that made some really good points, namely: are all of those people in Iraq that are getting the shit bombed out of their country responsible for what is happening to them? Is it their fault that they are being bullied? Is it my fault that they are being bombed? Do I secretly hate Iraqis and want them to all die?

In my opinion, I think that maybe the LOA isn't the be all and end all rule. Maybe there are other factors contributing, maybe the LOA is a scam, maybe it's the universal law, we don't know, or then again maybe we do, but we are hiding from the truth.

Hehe, like one poster said before, "It's just a game," or even better: like Bill Hicks said, "It's just a ride; you can choose to get off whenever you want."

I think we all think too much :P. Just live life the way you want to live it, and always do what you think is right (and believe me, we always know what is right, but most of the time, maybe I'm speaking for myself, we always do something completely different, out of FEAR and CONVENIENCE).

My 2c.

The way I tried to describe it, then its to be considered that f.ex. the war against Iraq, then all it takes is getting more people believing that it will happen than people who doesnt believe it will happen. Preventing it would take alot of people believing in peace in Iraq, and they would have to feel sure about it. I like the way it is described in "The Secret" although I do not agree completely. It doesnt matter if you are thinking, I do not want "negative" to happen, or I hope "negative" wont happen. That is still attracting it though. So you will have to think about the opposite happening to attract it. Its still just attraction, not summoning.

I guess calling it a law is wrong, but it doesnt seem defined as to how exactly it is to work, just how to have it help attract positive stuff.

Even on a logical level as I see it, it ought to work. Without taking telepathy and such into account. Just expecting something to happen, or looking for that dime on the street, or keeping an eye out for that special man woman, makes it more likely to happen. It doesnt really seems like rocket science to figure that out as I see it. It seems there are even more factors making it happen though, because we do affect the world and our own reality alot more than we believe. We might even be the sole creator of it as some say, although I like the idea of us all being the creators of it all better.

[angelthecat]

if you check this out might help people realize that even the defenders are no defence
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=125