Tsarion: The Destruction Of Atlantis..

[thirdwave]

There has been allot of attacking Tsarion recently.. I recently watch another of his vids here...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094


I recommend you check him out your selves....

If you don't like him then don't listen to him.... But I recommend him to people who have not checked him out, he has some very interesting research.

I think he is one of the masters of spotting the symbology around us and exposing the Deep roots of the NWO, very complimentary to Davids works.

[cruise4]

I'm watching a lot of Tsarion just now. I'm learning a lot but other parts are confusing... where was Lemuria and are there any lemurians left possibly? Where might they be? Is Babylon in the Middle East or is it now the USA?

Any ideas thirdwave?

But yeah.... its interesting stuff. He knows a lot I think. Has his own slant but doesn't everyone.

[thirdwave]

I'm watching a lot of Tsarion just now. I'm learning a lot but other parts are confusing... where was Lemuria and are there any lemurians left possibly? Where might they be? Is Babylon in the Middle East or is it now the USA?

Any ideas thirdwave?

But yeah.... its interesting stuff. He knows a lot I think. Has his own slant but doesn't everyone.

you got me there... Lemuria was meant to be a place IN Atlantes right? ....

I think they were the good guys (of have I got it the other way around?) ... this is a good question.. I might have to put this to him on his forum...

I would guess either they were wiped out by the mass floods and war.... or they survived but had to rebuild a civilisation.... maybe some of them were the gods and messiahs we have in Texts... as they were meant to be an advanced race.... I get the impression they were pretty much wiped out though... they were bascily us, but the versions before us.. that were more advanced.... (that's if Im thinking of the same group as you, i need to remember the words here)

[cruise4]

"Lemuria was meant to be a place IN Atlantes right?"

Not from my understanding... Lemuria was where the first atlantean slaves went to. They came back for the second generation slaves (us) and talked us into going with them. So they appear to be the good guys.

But so far all I've heard is loads about the Atlanteans. I assume Lemuria is another continent. But where? I get the impression that the atlantean descendants are those we are having trouble with now. But is there a Lemurian contingent on our side somewhere? I have even heard a suggestion that this DNA thing is about tracking Lemurian descendants and they like them as sacrifices and child sex ring candidates etc.

[thirdwave]

"Lemuria was meant to be a place IN Atlantes right?"

Not from my understanding... Lemuria was where the first atlantean slaves went to. They came back for the second generation slaves (us) and talked us into going with them. So they appear to be the good guys.

ahh yeah thats right, yeah Lemuria was another place they fled to when they woke up to how they were being messed with.... the who the human females loved and became inspired by, I am with you now...

But so far all I've heard is loads about the Atlanteans. I assume Lemuria is another continent. But where? I get the impression that the atlantean descendants are those we are having trouble with now. But is there a Lemurian contingent on our side somewhere? I have even heard a suggestion that this DNA thing is about tracking Lemurian descendants and they like them as sacrifices and child sex ring candidates etc.

All this stuff could well be the case, but so hard to know for sure... I always kep in mind when we talk about this stuff its easy to see it as a short space of time... but we are talking about a whole new faze of time and evolution.... so there may well have been Lemurian's that were magical but eventually died out and interbred with humans... so on... as well as a continuation of the other type who were created to serve the Annunaki....

I guess if the earth was really messed up then and people were left to rebuild, it does explain things... just a shame the Lumurians were not a step ahead of the others... that is the only question I have.

Maybe over time more and more Annunaki visited and took advantage of the ignorance and need of the humans left over.... or maybe in the huge war although they screwed the planet up, they also simply won the war, just had allot of rebuilding to do....

I wish I had a time machine :)

[limelady]

Some people believe Lemuria was where this map below depicts it....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_atlantidamu/lemuria6_00.gif


I've always felt Australia is/was part of Lemuria. There is much ancient stuff here.

[2013]

http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Symbols-Col-James-Churchward/dp/0914732242
check out any of thisguys books out on lemuria i gave a couple i had to a friend ill have to get em back to read now .I drew a symbol from a dream one time and found it in the book some weeks later when i bought it an ancient sun symbol :D

[ninja17]

Pacific Ocean they say..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM8_l-eU3RU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQrmAbpSndg

[thirdwave]

To be honest it all makes sense that some of us could be descendants of the Lemurians and others from the other race.... also some from the reptilian type they created the serve them...

as I have sometimes met rich people who are more than liklely in the Illuminati...through the music biz and also when young and going to work with my old man when he done big jobs for really rich people (Fancy Curtains)

I always had this feeling (more intuition really) from them that they were alien to me.... and did not like my good nature (well good compared to them anyway)....

I think what it comes down to is they don't like the Lemurians because they dont like the truth, they like to keep their illusion as strong and alive as possible.

that's how it seems anyway.. purely from my outlook...

[cruise4]

Going through those links now, but Tsarion also says that after the cataclysm the lemurians fled to the outer reaches of the world, whereas the Atlanteans went to the equator which may have been more hospitable. Not sure where that gets us :D

[optimus pigpot]

.... I' ve read on the site.

I will watch the videos. Keep posting this.

Intruiging.

Op.

[thirdwave]

Going through those links now, but Tsarion also says that after the cataclysm the lemurians fled to the outer reaches of the world, whereas the Atlanteans went to the equator which may have been more hospitable. Not sure where that gets us :D

I do wonder if there are some good secret societies... as years ago many were killed for anything to with Tarot, or so on... so Im sure some people had secret groups that stuck with it.... maybe those people are still around today, and could well have been relation to the lemurians...

Tsarion's talk in Liverpool is not so much about this I don't thin, which is a shame as I would have liked to ask some some more questions on it...

[limelady]

Tsarions book Atlantis, Alien Visitation & Genetic Manipulation is an intriguing read. Full of information with a reference section which comprises over half of the book so that people can do their own follow-up research.

I thoroughly recommend this book to those with an open mind and interested in our earliest beginings and ancient civilisations.

[cruise4]

Anyone know who the music was by in the lemuria vid?

I hope some did survive somewhere. If the stories of our creation etc. are true I do feel a bond with them. Typical.... throw dynamite down Mt Shasta to make them show themselves :D

[cruise4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgFCq14oWGA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5OkHvHYuVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goz81N6l5vw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTe54jKsx4U

[limelady]

Anyone know who the music was by in the lemuria vid?

I hope some did survive somewhere. If the stories of our creation etc. are true I do feel a bond with them. Typical.... throw dynamite down Mt Shasta to make them show themselves :D

Yep! That's hu-mans for ya! :D

Thanks for those vid links!

[cruise4]

The Children of The Law of One and The Lost Teachings of Atlantis
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/915092?extension=pdf

[limelady]

Some of Oceana's prehistoric architechture

Would this site in Nan Madol
http://www.janeresture.com/oceania_arch/hills.jpg

have looked like this this?

http://www.janeresture.com/oceania_arch/hills_sketch.jpg Click to increase the size of this pic

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Map_FM-Nan_Madol.PNG

For more information about this and other ancient ruins in the Pacific,
go HERE (http://www.janeresture.com/oceania_arch/index.htm)

More info about Nan Madol on wiki HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nan_Madol)

Micronesia HERE (http://www.janeresture.com/micronesia_madol/)

[limelady]

Undersea Ruins Around Yonaguni Island in Japan

At the southern tip of Yonaguni Island in the Ryukyu Islands, approximately half a century ago, divers found ruins of man-made constructions in the ocean. The site included a square-shaped structure covered with coral, a giant platform with edges and corners, as well as streets, stairways, and an arched building. One could say that the ruins resembled an altar in the ancient city. It covered about 200 meters from west to east, and about 140 meters from north to south. Its highest point reached about 26 meters.

http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/pi_images/2003-6-29-japanundersea2.jpg

In 1986, local divers named this underwater city "Diving Area of Undersea Ruins." It drew a lot of attention when the news media reported it. Soon after its discovery, the University of Ryukyu formed an "Undersea Archaeological Exploration Team" (UAET), and embarked on an eight-year research project. Under the sea southeast of Shihuan Island and in the surrounding areas, more ruins were discovered, including a construction made of stone, a cave-like structure surrounded by pillars, a statue of a human head, an arch, and geometric turtle statues. The most surprising discovery was the "Hieroglyph," which was engraved into a stone wall and left behind by an ancient civilization assumed to be a highly advanced human culture.

If one looks from above, there are streets and farmland surrounding the ruins. The largest ruin was 100 meters in length, and 25 meters in height, and was built with giant rocks. According to the UAET of the University of Ryukyu, a computer-generated model showed that the place might have been an altar of a temple, where the ancients gathered and held worship ceremonies. There were two half-circle pillar caves north of the temple. Archeologists believe them to be a place for bathing prior to a ceremony. There was an arched gate east of the temple where two giant rocks overlapped each other. The top showed rectangular man-made holes in the rocks. Presumably, the rocks were shaped by machines and used as the city's cornerstones.

In addition, under the ocean, around well-known "Lishenyan" of southeast Yonaguni Island, a statue of a human head several feet tall was uncovered. Facial features could still be clearly discerned. Later, near the giant human head statue, groups of hieroglyphs were found. This indicates the builders of the undersea ruins were a highly advanced civilization.

http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/pi_images/2003-6-29-japancharacters.jpg

Masaaki Kimura is a professor of geology at the University of Ryukyu. He stated during a September 1999 interview that one could clearly see that they were man-made constructions. There were streets, right angle stairs with round holes in the rock which seemed designed for stone pillar insertion, etc. The discovery of the human head statue and the hieroglyphs, were especially convincing that the undersea ruins at south Yonaguni Island originated from a prehistoric civilization.

Elsewhere they found a pyramid!

Go HERE (http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/index.php?news=1678) to read more

[cruise4]

What do you reckon?

http://www.netaxs.com/trance/moai6.jpg Easter Island

http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/pi_images/2003-6-29-japanundersea3.jpg Southeast Yonaguni Island


http://www.netaxs.com/trance/rapanui.html


Plate Tectonics of region
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/easter4.htm

[limelady]

Yes, this is what I thought too Cruise. The edge of the map in this post (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=286583&postcount=6) almost covers the area now known as the Easter Islands too.

[cruise4]

Can we relate the 'bloodline' thing conclusively to one group or the other, does anyone know? On thinking I suppose this is what DI is saying... that its the Atlanteans and they have reptilian heritage.

[limelady]

Can we relate the 'bloodline' thing conclusively to one group or the other, does anyone know? On thinking I suppose this is what DI is saying... that its the Atlanteans and they have reptilian heritage.

According to Tsarion, its the Atlantean group (the Annunaki), not the Lemurian group who have controlled things here from the very beginning, and they are still controlling the show via their elite bloodline and their puppets today. From his researche, he believes its the Atlanteans who were responsible for the 'origins of evil' on this planet, and the Lemurians were the original genetically engineered slave race who escaped from Atlantis and set up an advanced civilisation on what we call Lemuria.....they were almost as smart and advanced as their "Masters" who created them using their own DNA, but they didn't like being a slave race, so they bailed from Atlantis.

We were their next genetic experiment, but the Lemurians got wind of what was going on, and came to the rescue of the Adamic race (us). The "Eves" talked the Adams into bailing with the Lemurians, and this made the Atlanteans as mad as hell and this is why women have had a dreadful time throughout history as 'second-class' humans. The Atlanteans basically cursed ALL women for having the nous to get their menfolk the hell out of that place where they were all slaves.

All this ended up eventually causing a massively vengeful 'war of the gods' (Atlanteans and Lemurians) which caused MASSIVE upheaval on this planet. There is still tell-tale evidence of these very ancient atomic wars on this planet today. Everybody who survived scarpered to where they could survive, because it was during these times the legendary lands of Atlantis and Lemuria met their demise.

When things settled down some considerable time later, the Atlanteans came out from wherever they sheltering from the conditions on the planet (or arrived back after going off planet for a time?), and set up shop again. This time they (according to Tsarion) developed another slave race, only this time they side-stepped using pro-magnam man (which they may ave also had a hand in creating at a much earlier time) and they used reptilian DNA to ensure they had a more programmable, less emotional or 'thinking' slaves than their previous attempts. According to Tsarions research, it is quite possibly THESE reptilian/Annunaki (Atlantean) hybreds we see depicted in so much ancient artwork and folklore, and there may still be some of this bloodline alive today, hence the reason people are still seeing them. It is quite possible they are still serving their Masters.

Of course I have grossly over-simplified all of this and missed heaps out for the sake of brevity, and bearing in mind I may have the odd detail wrong here and there, this is pretty much Tsarions 'over all' take on things up to the end of the Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation book anyway. :)

[cruise4]

Cheers Limelady. I forgot about the third generation. I'll watch some more Tsarion now :D

[daveybpl]

I posted this on the Earth Changes section a couple of days ago in case anyone missed it

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=287437#post287437

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgidAICoQI&eurl=http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=287437#post287437

[limelady]

I posted this on the Earth Changes section a couple of days ago in case anyone missed it

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=287437#post287437

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgidAICoQI&eurl=http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=287437#post287437



Hey thanks davey! I've seen that vid before, but I loved it so I
watched it again. :)

[thirdwave]

Anyone know who the music was by in the lemuria vid?

I hope some did survive somewhere. If the stories of our creation etc. are true I do feel a bond with them. Typical.... throw dynamite down Mt Shasta to make them show themselves :D

I liked that tune as well, quite different :)

well I do wonder as although the cretins of the world have certainty kept them selves a secret and we all know why that is.... over the years there has also been allot of people attacked and crushed for doing things the old governments and the church did not approve of.... so just because they were forced to go in hiding it does not mean they are evil.... and I think even today, although maybe they wont get stoned or burnt (not in this country anyway) they may still feel there are to many people who cant handle the info and will just pigeon hole them in with the Satanic group who are pulling the strings.... I would certainly feel nervous coming out.... not only would you have the opposition from the PTB, but also most religious people will attack you and anyone else who simply don't understand where they are coming from..

I often wonder if this is the case... would be nice to think they are out there somewhere doing something...

[galactic_stargazer]

There has been allot of attacking Tsarion recently.. I recently watch another of his vids here...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094


I recommend you check him out your selves....

If you don't like him then don't listen to him.... But I recommend him to people who have not checked him out, he has some very interesting research.

I think he is one of the masters of spotting the symbology around us and exposing the Deep roots of the NWO, very complimentary to Davids works.

That was an interesting video.

This is the first time I've looked into this guy and I want to learn more about him/from him, where is a good place to start?

[2013]

http://www.crystalinks.com/lemuria.html
The fate of Lemuria, also known as Pacifica, Mu, and what Cayce called Zu or Oz, :eek::D! is not unlike that proposed for Atlantis. It is much like the destiny of humanity foreseen in our timeline by prophets of old and modern-day clairvoyants. The legends are all the same ... a thriving, advanced culture that suddenly manifested out of nowhere. Their origins and downfall are linked to destruction when their continent sank beneath the 'sea' due to natural cataclyms and human imbalance.

see full article

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/index.htm
The Sacred Symbols of Mu
by James Churchward
[1933, copyright not renewed] free book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Churchward
Books by Col James Churchward


The Lost Continent of Mu - 1987 - 424 pages
The Children of Mu - 1988
Cosmic Forces of Mu - 1992 - 264 pages

[cruise4]

Tsarion said Nazareth didn't exist on a vid I watched last night. But when I look it up in an Atlas or on the web it appears to indeed exist. Can anyone square this apparent contradiction? And does Tsarion have a forum anywhere?

[limelady]

Hi cruise

Not sure about the contradiction at this point, but here is a link to Tsarions forum.

http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/viewforum.php?f=1

[2013]

Hi not sure in what context that was said as i havent watched the vid in question , but maybe he was refering to the fact thanazareth didnt exist as a place at he time the historical jesus was supposed to of hailed from there?The nazrenes being a sect not a people at the time , maybe someone else can add more to this if this is the case in point .Im just of fto read a real book pages and everything the latest icke one courtesy of my local library :D

[cruise4]

Cheers for the answers guys...

"that nazareth didnt exist as a place at the time"

On reflection I also came to that conclusion but I'll check it with him directly

[thirdwave]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g5OkHvHYuVA&feature=related

[razed1]

That was an interesting video.

This is the first time I've looked into this guy and I want to learn more about him/from him, where is a good place to start?

hes got his own site michaeltsarion.com

and his site taroscopes which has a ton of reading material

hope you watch his presentations and interviews, theyre up on google video

ive learned alot from his work,

[spikedimitri]

Just watched the Destruction of Atlantis vid and read through the thread. It's amazing stuff. I'd seen a couple of Tsarion's vids on google talking about symbolism but the Atlantis one was great. I also remembered reading about Atlantis and Lemuria before so I tracked down that book and found a quote that supported Tsarion's thesis:

"But in Atlantis the devic order aided in this process [developing herbs], so these nature spirits were made more welcome with certain strains. When a particularily strong plant was identified, instead of simply watching for its seeds, Atlanteans did a great deal of meditation, concentration of energy and purpose upon that plant. This allowed it to grow deeper roots to even more strengthen its properties. This took some time, as you can imagine. But you can also see that the farmers were not only involved in cultivation but also in meditation with these plants. This allowed a deeper connection with the Earth, and indeed many of those who understood this were able to be successful at it. On a ritualistic level, inspiration from Lemurian times helped these activities." Gurudas, The Spiritual Properties of Herbs, P13.

The Lemurian spiritual connection with Earth was what the Atlanteans apparently lacked, and over time contributed to its destruction.


Looking at limelady's map you can see that it is the ring of fire and all the countries around it were quite spiritual and in tune with nature:Shaman tribes in Siberia;Zen spirituality in Japan;Chinese martial arts and herbalists;Aboriginals in Australia;Indigineous tribes in South America;Maya, Olmec and Aztecs in Central America;Hopi, Cherokee, etc in North America; and of course the people of Hawaii.

By the way, has anyone heard about a trash heap the size of Texas floating about in the Pacific? I can't remember where I heard about it but I'd say it was deliberately put there to pollute the Lemurian vibes eminating from the place.

:p

[turquoisefyre]

Pacific Ocean they say..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM8_l-eU3RU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQrmAbpSndg

thanks.

i've read a few books on atlantis and lemuria. i'm really fascinated by that stuff. i'll be continuing my education...

btw, seeing these vids it kind of reminds me of some scenes in Star Wars video games...

[cruise4]

I joined the forum, posted that question... and appear to have been kicked straight off. Can't understand whats going on. Most confusing place.

[razed1]

what question was that and who did you ask?

[spikedimitri]

:confused:Now I'm confused cruise4! What got straight off kicked??

Anywayz, I wanted to add to some thoughts to the earlier post. I noted that the ring of fire (Lemurian) people around the Pacific were quite spiritual and in tune with the energies of Earth, but today I realised that you can also make a similar case for the flip-side. The original negative ETs were supposed to be based in Atlantis somewhere between the British Ilses and Greenland. If you look at the conspiracy geographically you can see that the present nexus of power is based either side of where Atlantis used to be! it's the title of Carroll Quigley's 1982 book The Anglo-American Establishment. They may have consolidated their power in the middle east after the cataclysm, and introduced temple-city culture and urban living from there, but if you look at where the agents of this agenda are now, it's either side of ancient Atlantis!!! e.g : The critical importance of the co-ordinated agenda of bankers in Wall Street and the City of London in engineering the World Wars, the "special relationship" between UK and US, NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation), the Bilderberg Group which involves royal, political, commercial and banking elites from US, Canada & Western Europe. Their all based around this transatlantic alliance in furthering the New World Order agenda.:mad:

Also, on the Pacific trash heap thing, I remembered that I heard about on some BBC documentary about the oceans. I checked out the pacific on Google Earth and could see nothing that size (the size of Texas) anywhere there. This could mean (a) it's just a myth and doesn't exist or (b) it does exist and is important enough to the elite for them to remove it from any publicly accessable satellite maps. In either case, I asked a friend with good contacts in the enviromental community to look into it, so if she comes back with any info on it I'll post it here.

Cheers!:)

[cruise4]

No idea what happened on the Tsarion forum, but re-registered and seem to be able to post again so haven't got an answer to this Nazareth thing yet.

[limelady]

Excellent post!


:confused:Now I'm confused cruise4! What got straight off kicked??

Anywayz, I wanted to add to some thoughts to the earlier post. I noted that the ring of fire (Lemurian) people around the Pacific were quite spiritual and in tune with the energies of Earth, but today I realised that you can also make a similar case for the flip-side. The original negative ETs were supposed to be based in Atlantis somewhere between the British Ilses and Greenland. If you look at the conspiracy geographically you can see that the present nexus of power is based either side of where Atlantis used to be! it's the title of Carroll Quigley's 1982 book The Anglo-American Establishment. They may have consolidated their power in the middle east after the cataclysm, and introduced temple-city culture and urban living from there, but if you look at where the agents of this agenda are now, it's either side of ancient Atlantis!!! e.g : The critical importance of the co-ordinated agenda of bankers in Wall Street and the City of London in engineering the World Wars, the "special relationship" between UK and US, NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation), the Bilderberg Group which involves royal, political, commercial and banking elites from US, Canada & Western Europe. Their all based around this transatlantic alliance in furthering the New World Order agenda.:mad:

You know I hadn't thought this through like you have, but you are right! Its all really quite bleak and rather telling when you look at things from this perspective.:mad:


Also, on the Pacific trash heap thing, I remembered that I heard about on some BBC documentary about the oceans. I checked out the pacific on Google Earth and could see nothing that size (the size of Texas) anywhere there. This could mean (a) it's just a myth and doesn't exist or (b) it does exist and is important enough to the elite for them to remove it from any publicly accessable satellite maps. In either case, I asked a friend with good contacts in the enviromental community to look into it, so if she comes back with any info on it I'll post it here.

Cheers!:)

I too checked google earth and couldn't zone in on this floating rubbish heap. :confused:

Yes, please let us know if your friend can shed some light for us. :)

[cruise4]

You have to wonder when you see this:

Later this year, environmental campaigner David de Rothschild will set off across the Pacific Ocean in a boat made from waste water bottles highlighting the impact of such consumer dependencies. His voyage will take him through the Eastern Garbage Patch, the rubbish-strewn region which comprises hundreds of miles of the northern Pacific. It was first encountered by researchers in 1999; they counted a million pieces of plastic per square mile, almost all of it less than a few millimetres across.

[galactic_stargazer]

hes got his own site michaeltsarion.com

and his site taroscopes which has a ton of reading material

hope you watch his presentations and interviews, theyre up on google video

ive learned alot from his work,


Thanks :)

I'll check them out.

[thirdwave]

sorry I missed you question before...was not ignoring you :)

http://www.taroscopes.com/home.html

lots of free web streams here...

lots of stuff on youtube and google video as well...

He has done allot of research... obviously alto of this stuff has to come down to interpretation... he noted that the work Sitchen done was not really from the perspective of other places around the world... he researched from the heart of where the Annunaki was... so of course they would have been seen in a better light.... but Tsarion has pointed out how other people viewed them.... and he thinks the Annunaki were the bad guys... while Sitchen thinks they were more here to help us evolve..so on...

[galactic_stargazer]

sorry I missed you question before...was not ignoring you :)

http://www.taroscopes.com/home.html

lots of free web streams here...

lots of stuff on youtube and google video as well...

He has done allot of research... obviously alto of this stuff has to come down to interpretation... he noted that the work Sitchen done was not really from the perspective of other places around the world... he researched from the heart of where the Annunaki was... so of course they would have been seen in a better light.... but Tsarion has pointed out how other people viewed them.... and he thinks the Annunaki were the bad guys... while Sitchen thinks they were more here to help us evolve..so on...

Yes thanks....I will check him out, I am wondering where he got all his info, the race that came here and hid where they good or not, and will the ones chasing them be back... etc etc

[razed1]

anybody who would take the time to study the legends/myths of ppls around the world, would come to these conclusions that he does

so if you listen carefully, youll see he says none of these theories are his own, but an eclectic mix from different authors through time


as the truth should be, the truth isnt made up by anybody, but simply passed on through time

[thirdwave]

Yes thanks....I will check him out, I am wondering where he got all his info, the race that came here and hid where they good or not, and will the ones chasing them be back... etc etc

from many books like The Popul Vuh which were mostly burnt by the church... even Genesis... and other well know books....... he is also very clued up on the history or Tarot which is very much linked with some of the symbolism used today...

I guess you cant take everything he says as the final word... but it certainly interesting...

[uchiha]

thank you for the video. well done.. im just not in the mood to post a proper comment

[thirdwave]

thank you for the video. well done.. im just not in the mood to post a proper comment

lol i know the feeling...

[spikedimitri]

Thanks cruise4 for the info about the Eastern Garbage Patch.

I hope De Rothschild sinks.

[mystiq_99]

The thing is, with the ruins near Japan and the plastic trash in the northern pacific, they know where to look. So where are our scientists and researchers? This is an enormous find right? Why can't people use their heads and understand that our greedy secretive elite know full well everything there, have been pillaging for years, and keep our advancements and knowledge from us. Its so completely obvious. Any kid now today would wonder why he's going there and not the scientists? This a global treasure of knowledge and history. Why are so many people asleep anyway? I've keep hearing we're being controlled but how is really possible to not question and notice.
Boriska, the boy from Russia who remembers Mars, said his friend lived in Lemuria. He used to visit him from Mars and but he died as a tragedy befell Lemuria and there was great deluge on earth. I strongly believe the martians were humans like us, though taller. Like my avatar shows. Less gravity on mars makes things bigger. The reptillians invaded our solar system from 50 000 light years away, like was sang in the gift the queen received of a solar system for her royal jubilee. There must have been a war there, which got taken here. Human dna was altered from primates and we're the same mess as the martians.

[element]

mate, scientists have their own little theories and they will do anything to tell you they are right. Things that go beyond them are there to be ridiculed. In years they will realise they can ridicule themselves, as history has been shown they always have bad theories.

Coming back to the topic, I've read a bit about it again, and I think the best possibility of Atlantis is indeed the Atlantic Ocean, it could have been from Canary Islands to Bermuda, making it indeed bigger then Libia and Little Asia, as Plato described.
Ofcourse we got other ''flood myths'' aswell. North Sea in Europe is a good possibility, they found mammoth remnents there, which could be the elephants Plato described?
I've read about a strange book here, in Netherlands, myth describing some Island or land in the North Sea they called Attland. But it was only vanishing between 2000-1500 bc. And the North Sea is only 12-20 meters deep, much more things should have been found by now? It could be another lost land, but I don't think it's thé Atlantis we're looking for. I thought Plato described mountains too, and North Sea and the surrounding country's don't really have much mountains or high ones. Atlantic Ocean is very much more possible, the mountain on Tenerife is already close to 4000m, add to that the ocean there is 3000-2200m deep and it could be the biggie that reaches for the ''heavens''. The old people of Canary Islands, Guanches had red brownish hair and had physically speaken many similiarities with the Basks from Spain and the Berbers from Marocc. I think they also have little pyramids there? (canary islands) That name which comes from dog worshipping, lol the Egyptians had their Jackal 'god' , so more similarities.

Anyways, There is so much evidence of a ''worldwide'' flood. After that they sailed to different parts of the earth, bringing their knowledge to new places. Similarities are definately cross symbol, pyramids, understanding of astrology and astronomy. And ofcourse we got these stories over the whole ancient world.....

[element]

Atlantis in Indonesia/South China Sea? Ice Age causing flood?
After that they got to India/vedic culture, then expanding knowledge towards different continents? Another theory, interesting one here:)

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/true-history-atlantis.html

[london_lad_84]

According to Tsarion, its the Atlantean group (the Annunaki), not the Lemurian group who have controlled things here from the very beginning, and they are still controlling the show via their elite bloodline and their puppets today. From his researche, he believes its the Atlanteans who were responsible for the 'origins of evil' on this planet, and the Lemurians were the original genetically engineered slave race who escaped from Atlantis and set up an advanced civilisation on what we call Lemuria.....they were almost as smart and advanced as their "Masters" who created them using their own DNA, but they didn't like being a slave race, so they bailed from Atlantis.

We were their next genetic experiment, but the Lemurians got wind of what was going on, and came to the rescue of the Adamic race (us). The "Eves" talked the Adams into bailing with the Lemurians, and this made the Atlanteans as mad as hell and this is why women have had a dreadful time throughout history as 'second-class' humans. The Atlanteans basically cursed ALL women for having the nous to get their menfolk the hell out of that place where they were all slaves.

All this ended up eventually causing a massively vengeful 'war of the gods' (Atlanteans and Lemurians) which caused MASSIVE upheaval on this planet. There is still tell-tale evidence of these very ancient atomic wars on this planet today. Everybody who survived scarpered to where they could survive, because it was during these times the legendary lands of Atlantis and Lemuria met their demise.

When things settled down some considerable time later, the Atlanteans came out from wherever they sheltering from the conditions on the planet (or arrived back after going off planet for a time?), and set up shop again. This time they (according to Tsarion) developed another slave race, only this time they side-stepped using pro-magnam man (which they may ave also had a hand in creating at a much earlier time) and they used reptilian DNA to ensure they had a more programmable, less emotional or 'thinking' slaves than their previous attempts. According to Tsarions research, it is quite possibly THESE reptilian/Annunaki (Atlantean) hybreds we see depicted in so much ancient artwork and folklore, and there may still be some of this bloodline alive today, hence the reason people are still seeing them. It is quite possible they are still serving their Masters.

Of course I have grossly over-simplified all of this and missed heaps out for the sake of brevity, and bearing in mind I may have the odd detail wrong here and there, this is pretty much Tsarions 'over all' take on things up to the end of the Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation book anyway. :)

Hold on, we obviously cant be sure one way or another.

What i have heard is that the atlateans were what plato and others describe, a utopian type society that were created by descendants from the lyria star sytem after escaping from reptilian attacks in the galaxy. The reptilians already had a settlement on earth in a place which is referred to as lemuria.

In lemuria apparently the reptilians created dinasours for sustenance and other reptile beings, and at some point they become to dangerous to be near for atleateans and the atleanteans thought by killing the dinasaurs the reptilians would die because their sustenance would have gone...

As this story goes, that didnt kill of the reptilians and a war errupted (maybe a war of the gods, i dont know), the atlateans, used a form of sound technology of some sort to destable the lemurian continent and eventually sink it, and apparently during the attacks the lemurians escaped underground creating underground bases from which they attacked atlateans (maybe thats where the stories of the underground demons came from? hell below us etc, who knows?).

The atlateans apparently then tried to attack the leumrians with the same or a similar technology through the ground they were living on and being attacked from under, and this caused the atlantis continent to begin to crumble at which point many fled seeing that destruction was imminent and settled in places like greece etc...

Anyway to conclude, this information might have come mostly from swerdlow and Galactic Federation stories, but i am unsure, i know theres a lot of disinfo in what he says without him knowing it but i think there are elements of truth and this maybe one and i also know theres a lot of bull shit in the federation of light stories but i also belive there is some truth in historic events buried in the shite to try and confuse and mix up historical events even more so. The reptilians then apparently created a hybrid race and placed them on earth to try and re-conquer what they presumed they had lost, leading to ubaid and sumer cultures..

Theres more to this theory but my memopry is hazy, and i beleive that during the war of the gods between atlantis and lemuria there were peace negotiations that apparently led to an agreement that there would be a race with a mixture of human and reptilian genes, the first creation was too reptilian and was destroyed by atlatleans and the second was about 10 to 15% reptilian and was considered acceptable by both sides... then after that agreement the above took place and reptilians made the 50/50 hybrid race...

Theres so much information and disinfo out there, its hard to be sure what is true and what is not, its just about trying to find as many peices of the puzzle as possible and trying to stick as many into a picture that logically looks right.


EDIT:What have we learnt from history? That the Illuminati try to INFILTRATE anything that opposed or appears to oppose their agenda, because what better way to overcome the opposition than to misdirect it from within? Maybe this is what the reptilians did with the ancient greek humans or/and similar past atlatean cultures? which has subsequently distorted our view of atlatean history.

[laika]

I wachted the first video posted here with MT. But allready after a very short time i started to think something was wrong with what he was telling. Now maybe he have what he belive to be evidence, about the things he say but i dont belive him. sorry my english is a bit rusty, so its hard for me to find the right words. the way he connects words and claim it is prove. nazi being someones son. genesis being genes of isis and so on. he also have some wierd kind of logic. like he looks back at history and because everything is connected ( ofcourse it is otherwise it would not lead us to where we are now) is some kind of conspiracy?

in my native language i could go more into this, but for now i just have to say that MT is not for me :D. i think hes imagination is a little to vivid :o

[adsy]

There has been allot of attacking Tsarion recently.. I recently watch another of his vids here...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094


I recommend you check him out your selves....

If you don't like him then don't listen to him.... But I recommend him to people who have not checked him out, he has some very interesting research.

I think he is one of the masters of spotting the symbology around us and exposing the Deep roots of the NWO, very complimentary to Davids works.

Wow, just watched it all and me personally not really understanding how we became who we are or where we can from, I am quite a firm believer of what Tsarion has said. It has changed my views greatly and give me a much larger understanding.

[sophia_h]

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many years ago before PC's and internet I was made to discover various
books and articles as I asked Universe to show me what is real and
what is killing off humanity.

It never occured to me to keep notes or files on what all I read as I did
so very much studying and and no concept of ever sharing info with
others. I was shunned whenever I spoke of any of my studies ! :p


Now I can only speak of some bits from memory with no source.

a parable of our DEEPEST INNER BEING;

LEGEND: a very long time ago in Egypt LAND there were people who kept
a safe place for all the people to thrive and enjoy life. The land was a
legend and many people went there to see if they could learn or steal or
whatever. The land was protected by a group of priests, men and women
who were born with a certain inclination to Spirituality and given in
early life to the Temple to grow up learning Divine Source of all that is and
all the sciences that support that Sacred knowledges. Some became
priests and others became Pharoahs.


The story of how Egypt was set on the road to its down fall goes thus.
The Protectors, priests, were so psychic they could sense any
approaches from great distances. They had outposts all round the
perimeter where Acolytes were stationed in revolving shifts to keep
watch. When the Protectors FELT an approach messengers were
sent out to the probable points of entry into the Land.
A playact was staged.
The visitors were asked questions and their measure taken. If it was
felt they were out to get over on the Egypt LAND they were shown a
gullible and simple folk and given food and money and hypnotized to
believe all of the LAND was the same as there, just one oasis after
another and a mere existence being the best they dwellers could
manage.
The seekers went away with some bounty thinking they had done well
and never knew of the GREAT CITIES and RICHES deep within the LAND.

The priestly caste had a millinea old connection with the OLD ONES
who had been caretakers of the LAND before the current caretakers
came. The BEINGS of the previous Aeon. There was a truce between
them. The OLD ONES wanted only peace and quiet and wisely allowed
the PEOPLE to live on the surface and keep the LAND safe for both
groups. By the surface people interacting with the underground OLD
ONES both worked together to keep the LAND productive and the people
healthy and prosperous. The OLD ONES had a series of underground
tunnels thru which flowed water on which the OLD ONES traveled
thru al the LAND and could FEEL any vibes of THREAT and sent
messages to the TEMPLE protector groups. This is how the LAND was
kept safe and bountiful for several thousands of years. The
PROTECTORS were highly developed Spiritual beings and their co-horts
who lived underground were of the prior dominant race even MORE
psychic but also more primitive. A good combination for preserving a
sane and healthy society.

The OLD ONES who helped keep the LAND safe had some very ancient
knowledges most of what they had taught the SURFACE priests for the
good of all. the surface protector priests had to study many years to
learn the whole of the Ancient knowledges and be tested along the way
by the OLD ONES to see if anyone candidate was lacking in any of the
traits necessary to be allowed to hold that Ancient knowledges. No
member of the Group of Protectors woule EVER give up all the secrets that
kept the LAND safe and sane.

But little by little some people from an Eastern tribe who had been allowed
in to trade and exchange kept begging for knowledges and over time they
wore down the Administrators with flattery and seductions. The
Administrators did not hold the knowledges the Eastern visitors asked for
but beseeched the Protectors and there were conferences and the
Easterns swore they would abide by the rules of study which said any
one allowed into the Temple schools had to take the full THIRTEEN
YEARS INDOCTRINATION as to have any one part would not give the
whole balanced view of how to ethically keep the system upheld.

If they did not do the whole study course they would mis use the
knowledges and bring great imbalances into the whole world!

The OLD ONES had been keeping themselves scarce for years by then
and there was no warning given by them. The FOLK were slipping away
from their Spiritual CORE which is what supported the safety of the LAND.
The more the FOLK neglected their CORE the more scarce the OLD ONES
became and a huge part of their PROTECTIONS was growing WEAK.
so the Eastern visitors moved in to stay for the full course and
would be graduated in THIRTEEN YEARS with the knowing of how
to make their land prosperous and healthy ! This arrangement went on
for a year when the impatient Easterners who suffered from an
arrogance believed they had learned all they needed
to know to become wealthy and powerful back home and they left.

The Adminisrators were humiliated, the Protectors devastated. The
thieves became powerful and greedy and of course wanted more MORE.
They sent emmisaries to ask for more education but the Protectors and
Administrators had changed and were careful and did not want to give
any more to those cunning thieves.

The Easterners sent some representatives ( thugs ) to persuade the
Administrators and Protectors to give up the keys to the rest of the

knowledges they had. The Priests would not and were killed. The secrets
died with them. There were no more Protectors to give up any information
to the Eastern thieves, the knowledges died then, and the OLD ONES
went away for good never to give counsel or protection again so the
downfall of the LAND went on from that time.

Once the OLD ONES would not give their energies there was no hope ,
and so it is to this day. When we ignore the OLD ONES we abdicate
our LAND and the well being of our FOLK.

The OLD ONES travel the globe even now in undreground tunnels where
water runs deep and they HEAR and FEEL every vibe thru their Auric fields
and the water they travel on.

As they become more disgusted with the people living on the surface
they are setting up another GREAT CATACLYSM to wash away all the
destroyers of the GARDEN.

They, of course, will assist in re-creating the garden after the dust
settles.
You know who the OLD ONES are because you feel and hear them too.

Their energies are a deep part of YOU.

They stay concealed as they do not wish to frighten people of the surface.
They are the CROCODILE PEOPLE and were worshipped in the
OLD LANDS for their wise ways and magick supports. ISIS was all of
Egypt and all of Egypt was ISIS

and the CROCODILE PEOPLE represent ISIS energies in you and me.

:)



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[samael]

From the sources i've gathered Lemuria was a seperate continent. It's certainly not located near Atlantis as that is / was in the Atlantic.

A small clue is that Atlanteans were magical beings of immense knowledge and power who had a basic society of you either are magical or you aren't. Draconians / Reptilians aren't capable of magic.

Back to the thread name, in those times the high magi were known for using others ( mainly bound and summoned demons) to do alot of work. From the knowledge of a friend plus research, Atlantis was destroyed and "sunk" by said demon, bound to keep the whereabouts secret the charge was to burn into Oblivion if said location was uttered. The bond hasn't been lifted and therefore he remains silent on the location.

Not all is destroyed though, artifacts have been discovered through the Mediterranean. As you would expect not all died during the destruction, at least one survivor lives on. Atlanteans had a very lengthy lifespan of thousands of years due to they're magical capabilities.

With a little research they inhabit a place told of very famously, shrouded in mist though it's truth as the name of the Atlantean.

[octopusrex]

In my hallucinations, Atlantida is a place in the future. Ditto on Sofia's insight tho.

[normaltime]

Hmmm,

I wonder if the story of the Alantians and Lumerians has anything to do with todays struggle of the two main religions, they both share similar sybolisms, i.e the all seeing eye is also well represented in islam aswell, which I was very surprise to find out...

Are the lumerians islamic??

[thirdwave]

I think this is what MT believes...

[miracles]

I think this is what MT believes...

Hi thirdwave...serious question. Why has tsarions forum been locked down?

[thirdwave]

Hi thirdwave...serious question. Why has tsarions forum been locked down?

No Idea..

[thirdwave]

odd, still down, I think he must have been getting shit from the usual fools.

[mr_pixie]

I dont like the Tsarion forum because you carnt start your own threads.

[thirdwave]

I dont like the Tsarion forum because you carnt start your own threads.

yeah its not as well set up as this one, but it used to be his blog and it was done up and put on the red ice server... so that's why its set up more like a blog than a forum..

[mr_pixie]

But i can can understand he doesnt want all kinds of trolls etc ....

[mr_pixie]

I like Tsarion I'm well into his info i brought the talk he did last year in Liverpool on DVD from daves shop. I have been asking someone to upload it to the internet but it doesnt look like hes going to do it.

[thirdwave]

I think with most people they just try to hold off as long as possible to make a few quid of them.. and then let go of the ropes and let em out.. as at some point they will get out.. its a case of holding off..

The only Liverpool talk I have seen since is the Ian Crane one..

[mr_pixie]

I think with most people they just try to hold off as long as possible to make a few quid of them.. and then let go of the ropes and let em out.. as at some point they will get out.. its a case of holding off..

The only Liverpool talk I have seen since is the Ian Crane one..

Tsarion's talk is a master peice but as you were there you alrerady knew that. I found evidence in Liverpool discovered new info for eygiption/masonic stuff it's everywere mate. if you ever want the tour to look at all the symbols/building etc..... let us know.

[thirdwave]

Tsarion's talk is a master peice but as you were there you alrerady knew that. I found evidence in Liverpool discovered new info for eygiption/masonic stuff it's everywere mate. if you ever want the tour to look at all the symbols/building etc..... let us know.

I remember sitting in the beer garden with you having a good chat mate and would like to take you up on the offer some time.. likewise if you travel to the south at any point!

I think people like Tsarion throw enough out there to get people asking the right questions and although the final truth is difficult to hold down.. his books get people asking the right questions..

[thirdwave]

site is still locked, something must have been up ??