Will You Take The Chip Or Die?

[revelations]

Im just curious ...one day the micro-chip will be compulsory, will you and your family take the chip and live happily ever after, or will you refuse the chip and face being taken off to concentration camps to be slaughtered ...along with your family?

This will be extra harder on those of you that have wives/ husbands/ kids!!!

[nafenisr]

I'm fully prepared right now for someone to put a gun to my head. "Chip or no chip"....."PULL THE TRIGGER, BITCH"

[chandrakavi]

Im just curious ...one day the micro-chip will be compulsory, will you and your family take the chip and live happily ever after, or will you refuse the chip and face being taken off to concentration camps to be slaughtered ...along with your family?

This will be extra harder on those of you that have wives/ husbands/ kids!!!

Look at it possitively, they might even give you a cellphone if you buy a chip....:D
Seriously, I don't see how it can
be stopped. Wish there was a way.

[armoured_amazon]

I'm fully prepared right now for someone to put a gun to my head. "Chip or no chip"....."PULL THE TRIGGER, BITCH"

Same here.

[nafenisr]

Same here.

It'd kinda be a relief, wouldn't it? To finally just say, "fuck it".

[williammac]

I'm sorry, but I can't answer either way. Both answers are defeatist no matter the level of personal martyrdom one may feel, or whether or not that martyrdom be considered patriotic or commendable.

What we are taking for granted is our ability to harness technology as well. Always, with new technology emerges new crime, whether those crimes be justified or not.

I believe that our only ability in the future to defend ourselves is not necessarily through physical strength or martyrdom, but through hacking. There are multitudes of people throughout the world right now that have the sleeping ability to take down nearly any satellite, governmental database, even the Federal Reserve itself. They don't get paid for it and they only would do such a thing would tyranny arise indefinitely.

Quite honestly, I do not think that even the wisest wise crackers in the IT sections of the biggest governmental organizations have the ability to counter the citizen hacker.

I believe that, along with understanding how to improvise in a mode of natural survival, we need to learn technology.

Do a little research on it.

We don't need to die -- we can trick it. We can dupe it.

Fuck, when an 11-year-old can knock a satellite on an alternate orbit as little as three years ago and confuse the FBI and CIA all to hell, then I'm not that worried.



-William
www.William-Mac.com
www.ThisWeekinTime.com

[armoured_amazon]

It'd kinda be a relief, wouldn't it? To finally just say, "fuck it".

Oh I'd put up a good fight and go down against my will but I refuse to take the chip. If it was inserted against my will I'd have no problem going in to retrieve it. In fact I was thinking about this last night....would a person be prepared to sever their hand if there was no easy way of extracting the implant?
I'm sorry, but I can't answer either way. Both answers are defeatist no matter the level of personal martyrdom one may feel, or whether or not that martyrdom be considered patriotic or commendable.

What we are taking for granted is our ability to harness technology as well. Always, with new technology emerges new crime, whether those crimes be justified or not.

I believe that our only ability in the future to defend ourselves is not necessarily through physical strength or martyrdom, but through hacking. There are multitudes of people throughout the world right now that have the sleeping ability to take down nearly any satellite, governmental database, even the Federal Reserve itself. They don't get paid for it and they only would do such a thing would tyranny arise indefinitely.

Quite honestly, I do not think that even the wisest wise crackers in the IT sections of the biggest governmental organizations have the ability to counter the citizen hacker.

I believe that, along with understanding how to improvise in a mode of natural survival, we need to learn technology.

Do a little research on it.

We don't need to die -- we can trick it. We can dupe it.

Fuck, when an 11-year-old can knock a satellite on an alternate orbit as little as three years ago and confuse the FBI and CIA all to hell, then I'm not that worried.



-William
www.William-Mac.com
www.ThisWeekinTime.com

Excellent. :D

[rynath]

Do you guys ever wonder if you're chipped already? Cellphones, tvs, computers, cars, appliances, pdas...do we use anything that doesn't have a chip? Do they even need to put a chip in your body when you're surrounded by them all the time? Just typing out loud...and trying to stay awake at work :p

[lizzy]

Look at it possitively, they might even give you a cellphone if you buy a chip....:D
Seriously, I don't see how it can
be stopped. Wish there was a way.

LOL, chand....:)...

jusy a question of time , it will be required from birth.

[armoured_amazon]

Do you guys ever wonder if you're chipped already? Cellphones, tvs, computers, cars, appliances, pdas...do we use anything that doesn't have a chip? Do they even need to put a chip in your body when you're surrounded by them all the time? Just typing out loud...and trying to stay awake at work :p

Hahaha yes, I've thought about that....I use so much technology that they know where I am 24/7...but I've also racked my brains to think about any noticeable lost time I have.

[revolutionary_jam]

Better to die standing than to live crawling on your knees...

[3stepsahead]

if you actually mean potato chips, yes i would probably take them.

handing the job of fighting chipping to hackers would be a sort of idiotic idea
since ther is alot of malicious activity amongst those.

lost of stuff are chipped there are talks of chips in certain consumer wares now like gilette but idk if thats a fact.
"all" people take mandatory shots at birth wich could be used (are being?)
to insertion. the processors are shrinking every day.

all i se is havoc when i think of thise things hehe.

and whats with all the killing?

[chinchilla]

Why don't you just get jobs in the fields that will be delivering this technology, therefor you can counter it? :p

[beldazar]

Personally I cant see the chip ever happening myself, though im pretty sure if we are forced to have it, there will be 'someone' who knows how to disable it. I have 2 boys and of course I would be worried! I dont really have many places to hide around here :(

[catfood]

Well I am the only one so far to take the chip.;)
My opinion is this if thay kill you your of no use to anyone and it is basically problem solved for TPB, if thay chip you you can still carry on trying to fight them the best you can.

[indigo]

I would take the chip rather than die:confused:Whats the fucking difference? jeez:rolleyes: so those who say 'no' would rather be dragged to their death? for waht? Im confused now. For principle? ha ha for them to kill you anyway. Someone help me out here, im trying to be logical:cool:

[indigo]

Well I am the only one so far to take the chip.;)
My opinion is this if thay kill you your of no use to anyone and it is basically problem solved for TPB, if thay chip you you can still carry on trying to fight them the best you can.Cross posted with you. thank god I'm not alone here:D

[steevo]

I simply will not let them chip me. I dont know if that will involve me dying but there yer go....

[indigo]

I think alot of us have been chipped already to be honest, without knowing.

[chinchilla]

Another thing!

I feel the chip technology is great and the entire world needs to get chipped. I believe this is the next logical step in technological evolution.

Advantages:


Illness, accidents etc can be diagnosed faster by just having a scanner to scan the persons chip
Wouldn't need ID, passports, money... anything
Crimes would lessen, the only crimes would be hacking since robbery etc would be useless


But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates, if there was a good intention drive then this would be a great thing.

[rynath]

Why don't you just get jobs in the fields that will be delivering this technology, therefor you can counter it? :p

I used to. I started out in a cleanroom fab, wearing a bunny suit for 12 hours a day and processing the wafers. After that I ended up as a layout designer...drafting integrated circuits on a computer. Unfortunately if you slip up at all in that business you are out the door in no time. It's pricey stuff and they don't mess around. I'm not sure how to counter that type of industry even as an insider. I'm glad I'm not doing that type of work anymore.

[nafenisr]

[QUOTE=beldazar;283154]Personally I cant see the chip ever happening myself, though im pretty sure if we are forced to have it, there will be 'someone' who knows how to disable it. I have 2 boys and of course I would be worried! I dont really have many places to hide around here :([/QUOTE

the people that make the chips would be able to disable it at will. don't go along with the program? guess what, they'll shut your shit off making it useless when you go to buy something...or worse: they could use it to cause you physical harm.

[nafenisr]

Another thing!

I feel the chip technology is great and the entire world needs to get chipped. I believe this is the next logical step in technological evolution.

Advantages:


Illness, accidents etc can be diagnosed faster by just having a scanner to scan the persons chip
Wouldn't need ID, passports, money... anything
Crimes would lessen, the only crimes would be hacking since robbery etc would be useless


But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates, if there was a good intention drive then this would be a great thing.

*sighs*:(

[beldazar]

i dont agree with you chinchilla, i was already pissed off at having to have a card to take MY money out! Oh and to the last poster, (sorry i cant remember your name) I do try to look on the bright side.......:)

[daveybpl]

Another thing!

I feel the chip technology is great and the entire world needs to get chipped. I believe this is the next logical step in technological evolution.

Advantages:


Illness, accidents etc can be diagnosed faster by just having a scanner to scan the persons chip
Wouldn't need ID, passports, money... anything
Crimes would lessen, the only crimes would be hacking since robbery etc would be useless



Not enough advantages IMO, I'm not giving to give them the control of my emotions just so I don't need to carry a wallet about.

Fuck the Chip

http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com

[chinchilla]

Not enough advantages IMO, I'm not giving to give them the control of my emotions just so I don't need to carry a wallet about.

Fuck the Chip

http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com

I think it's good thing to happen, but should be choice. Not everyone has to get a credit card and this should be the same way. It should be used as a method to make things easier.

You carry money about which is in control of a lot of peoples emotions, especially when their willing to die for it. (Not saying you personally, I don't know you :p)

[armoured_amazon]

Not enough advantages IMO, I'm not giving to give them the control of my emotions just so I don't need to carry a wallet about.

Fuck the Chip

http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com

Thanks for the link. :)

[steevo]

Another thing!

I feel the chip technology is great and the entire world needs to get chipped. I believe this is the next logical step in technological evolution.

Advantages:


Illness, accidents etc can be diagnosed faster by just having a scanner to scan the persons chip
Wouldn't need ID, passports, money... anything
Crimes would lessen, the only crimes would be hacking since robbery etc would be useless


But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates, if there was a good intention drive then this would be a great thing.

You have the chip then if you want it, go volenteer for it if you want to push it forward, I'm sure they will be happy to oblige :D

[chinchilla]

You have the chip then if you want it, go volenteer for it if you want to push it forward, I'm sure they will be happy to oblige :D


But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates, if there was a good intention drive then this would be a great thing.



:p

[steevo]

:p

You have listed what you think are the positive things of the microchipped population, now how about listing the negatives ?

[indigo]

But this thread is about 'Take the chip or die' And i would take the chip. But if this thread was called would you volunteer to be microchipped, the i would say 'no'

[chinchilla]

You have listed what you think are the positive things of the microchipped population, now how about listing the negatives ?


But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates



.....

Isn't that enough negative? o_O

[cloudgazer]

Hmm, I choose the neither option. I will run to the hills and hide till it all blows over :)

[tinmenace]

I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

[daveybpl]

Thanks for the link. :)

No bother Miss Amazon.

No to ID cards aswell.

http://www.no2id.net/

[steevo]

.....

Isn't that enough negative? o_O

Not in my opinion no but each to his own (as long as you understand what you are getting yourself into which the vast populations dont IMO).

[armoured_amazon]

No bother Miss Amazon.

No to ID cards aswell.

http://www.no2id.net/

I have that one :) I just blogged the first one on myspace; I'll bulletin them too.

[daveybpl]

.....

Isn't that enough negative? o_O

eh no,

The chance that the chip could make you feel happy/sad/angry/apathetic and could take away your free will to think/do/say kinda plays on my mind just a little bit.

[daveybpl]

I have that one :) I just blogged the first one on myspace; I'll bulletin them too.


Yeah they seem to be good guys, only came accross them a couple of weeks ago. Going to give them a wee donation on pay day and find out when their Glasgow branch are meeting up again.

[armoured_amazon]

Hmm, I choose the neither option. I will run to the hills and hide till it all blows over :)

Good call! :D

LOL 'blows over'

[chinchilla]

eh no,

The chance that the chip could make you feel happy/sad/angry/apathetic and could take away your free will to think/do/say kinda plays on my mind just a little bit.



But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates


Which comes under the "agenda". In my opinion the fact the people behind the current push of the chip are bad, so what ever the chip does it still cannot out-negative (made up word? :P) the agenda.

[armoured_amazon]

Yeah they seem to be good guys, only came accross them a couple of weeks ago. Going to give them a wee donation on pay day and find out when their Glasgow branch are meeting up again.

Scotland are pretty active in spreading RFID info, I've noticed. :) I think they're in my MySpace friends list too.

[daveybpl]

Which comes under the "agenda". In my opinion the fact the people behind the current push of the chip are bad, so what ever the chip does it still cannot out-negative (made up word? :P) the agenda.


Right you are fella;) yeah does sound like a made up word:D

[thetonic]

Anyone who has answered yes to the idea of chipping= You are your own worst enemy, you are the NWO followers , you are the ones that will get the snowball rolling so they can come after the rest of us...

You need to deny the chip flatout , no matter what they say they can do to you. Anybody in America that doesnt deny this thing is spitting on the thousands of people who have already died so that we could enjoy a random moment of non tyrannical governed oppression, which is how this world has always functioned and is the way it will go back to once the chip is in place

[beldazar]

Well said Thetonic!

[rynath]

The human body runs on electrical impulses so maybe we're chips ourselves. 55 minutes of work left and these are the things I think about :p

[revelations]

Thanks for your comments, the only chip that I will be having is the one on my shoulder when this shit kicks off ...me personaly id rather die like a man rather than be totaly enslaved to the Elite.

Our minds and our bodies are OUR'S they belong to US not them! What gives them punks the right to take away our minds, our freedom and our rights?! :confused:

Man I swear Im gonna go out blasting ...reckon I can get at least 2 of them scumbags before they take me down. :mad:

[kblood]

The real problem is, imagine two generations ahead. Chipping might not even have to get enforced, they will just have everyone they can pursuade to take the chip to do so, and then parents will get the choice of having their child chipped from birth, so they are "ahead" of other children.

Imagine the possibilites with these chips:

Connected to the net or grid all the time

Instead of cell phones, it would be telepathy, maybe even being able to see who is contacting you, or what the person you are telepathising with is seeing. Global forums of sharing thoughts and ideas. Not to mention the possibilities for virtual realities.

Then comes all the possibilites to get lost limbs back. People who has lost an eye, arm, leg, hand and so on, will be able to get that back when there is a chip in the persons head to be able to control it. You might in fact get even more limbs and vision that you had to begin with. This kind of technology will most likely be tested in the military first, but on the helping people with lost limbs issue, then that is already happening. I think there is more than one company out there already doing this, and I see no reason why it would not already be possible. Too much seems to prove it possible now.

Worst case scenario, the chip will become part of the "personification" program, where we all need to have a person in the system to be part of the system. Anyone not with a chip will not be able to get a decent job or buy stuff any normal way. There might be nothing but digital cash in the future but no matter how they do that, it would seem very risky.


I do believe a few things does speak for the chip, but the few things that does, would be much better to obtain through enlightenment, instead of being plugged in to an artificial global network.

[revelations]

Im sure this vid has been posted before, thought id post it for those of you that havnt seen it.

Just look how they can control you with these chips! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKx1gLCQef8

[cl2008]

I think the (mandatory) chip would be the last straw.

I see guerilla factions forming all over the western world. Or maybe factional breakups in the military. Similar to Iraq. The insurgents. Yes.

[steevo]

Im sure this vid has been posted before, thought id post it for those of you that havnt seen it.

Just look how they can control you with these chips! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKx1gLCQef8

Thanks Revs I hadnt seen that vid before (but I had seen some of the clips when I was young). It's very sinister.
How anyone could think the chip was a good thing is beyond me, they must be mad or brainwashed.
We are at a point in humanity where if we make the wrong decision it could prove to be our last. I know I am sounding very dramatic but bloody hell this is REAL :cool:

[revelations]

Damn right steevo!

Thanks Revs I hadnt seen that vid before (but I had seen some of the clips when I was young). It's very sinister.
How anyone could think the chip was a good thing is beyond me, they must be mad or brainwashed.
We are at a point in humanity where if we make the wrong decision it could prove to be our last. I know I am sounding very dramatic but bloody hell this is REAL :cool:

[revelations]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ousy9bHR5b4&feature=related

[lifeofbrian]

Im just curious ...one day the micro-chip will be compulsory, will you and your family take the chip and live happily ever after, or will you refuse the chip and face being taken off to concentration camps to be slaughtered ...along with your family?

This will be extra harder on those of you that have wives/ husbands/ kids!!!

I swear, at times I wonder if scriptwriters in Hollywood log on here and wind people up in order to get ideas for another one of their braindead manuscripts à la a-car-chase-every-five-minutes-and-special-effects-to-justify-their-pointless-job descriptions.

That scenario will never happen. Not in a million years. It doesn't matter how much people plug it. It will never happen.

People are "too primitive" (intuitive) to make that kind of "scientific" (brainwashed) leap you see.

[shellygurrrl]

I will not allow a chip to be put in me if at all possible. However, if there was a 100% chance I could remove the chip after it was implanted, and I'd still be able to live, then I'd do it.

[lifeofbrian]

I will not allow a chip to be put in me if at all possible. However, if there was a 100% chance I could remove the chip after it was implanted, and I'd still be able to live, then I'd do it.

It's very possible.

Dogs have been chipped for years. Those that have come to me for rehab and service training I have had surgically treated to remove the chip between their shoulderblades and instead ID tattoo them (inside of ear). Fairly straightforward procedure, no side effects.

[shellygurrrl]

I swear, at times I wonder if scriptwriters in Hollywood log on here and wind people up in order to get ideas for another one of their braindead manuscripts à la a-car-chase-every-five-minutes-and-special-effects-to-justify-their-pointless-job descriptions.

That scenario will never happen. Not in a million years. It doesn't matter how much people plug it. It will never happen.

People are "too primitive" (intuitive) to make that kind of "scientific" (brainwashed) leap you see.

Thank You for that.
How do you correlate primitive with intuition?

[lifeofbrian]

How do you correlate primitive with intuition?

Basic?

[shellygurrrl]

It's very possible.

Dogs have been chipped for years. Those that come to me for rehab and service training I have had surgically treated to remove the chip between the shoulderblades and instead ID tattoo them (inside of ear). Fairly straightforward procedure, no side effects.

I was always one of those people who believed if an animal liked you, they wouldn't run away. Therefore, no need to do anything to them.

[shellygurrrl]

Basic?

In my opinion, intuition is far from basic!

[lifeofbrian]

In my opinion, intuition is far from basic!

Really... I reckon intuition is the five-year-old within that "just knows" when something is dodgy.

But what do I know?

Educate me! :)

[shellygurrrl]

Really... I reckon intuition is the five-year-old within that "just knows" when something is dodgy.

But what do I know?

Educate me! :)

Well, first of all, do you think with your head or your heart? Let me guess. Head. I can be an analyzer, bigtime! But with the whole intuition thing, you re-position/condition yourself to trust your instincts once again. I think intuition is underrated.

[tothestars]

Im just curious ...one day the micro-chip will be compulsory, will you and your family take the chip and live happily ever after, or will you refuse the chip and face being taken off to concentration camps to be slaughtered ...along with your family?

This will be extra harder on those of you that have wives/ husbands/ kids!!!


i wouldnt be here if it was gonna happen to me.

[deanjames]

Id die easily like that.

So they are saying that you would have access to your money like that, what about when someone dies will you still have to have a pin ect cause if you do that defets the whole option, There be people going around killing people taking out there chips to gain access to there money.

i think atm most people who havent been woken up have in there head about ohh its great illness, access to money, well not money just a figure on the screen, what about kids who get abducted.the fact is these chips can send out frequencys and they can monitor and effect emotions and as all tecnology there will be a way around it like frying it with a coil gun or something.

[cheeney1]

I'm fully prepared right now for someone to put a gun to my head. "Chip or no chip"....."PULL THE TRIGGER, BITCH"

Same here.



It all sounds good In Theory but have you ever Thought they might not shoot YOU!!!!!!!!

Torture Could Be On The Cards, Strap you to a chair ,Pliers, Blowtorch, Dumpy Hammer Razor Blades Stuffed in your Mouth, Electrocution....:(

With a Morbid Professional Torturer like Klaus Barbie He Could Make It Last For Days On End

Before anyone says bring it on just remember when you have blood in your Mouth and eyes are swollen shut........:(

Self Preservation Kicks In you might wish you were Chipped Or Even Full Of Chocolate Chips

As For Being/Getting Microchipped they might have already Done it
wave a carrot over here then slip something into the food supplies.....:eek:

[beldazar]

Bloody hell cheeney! Coul;d you be any more depressing? :eek:

[drael]

I am not concerned. As far as mind-control goes, this is nothing compared with the spell already cast. If ur worried about cameras and govt control, realise your very language and ideas/culture are mind control. Its the perfect prison already, u cant even see the bars!

[cheeney1]

Bloody hell cheeney! Coul;d you be any more depressing? :eek:

Don't you mean scary...........:eek: its nothing worse than the other replies WITH A GUN TO YOUR HEAD

And also I worked at ABU Ghraib prison for two years, then again maybe not.......................:eek::rolleyes:

[beldazar]

:D

[armoured_amazon]

intuition is the five-year-old within that "just knows" when something is dodgy.

+1 It doesn't take thinking about or repositioning; it just is.

[antiem]

I will not take the Chip neither. Well it's easy to say, I'd rather die (and I indeed have a little daughter that could be used against me, let's face it), but in the end it is better to try to survive without the chip than dying anyway WITH the Chip.
If that was only about making the world simpler by not having to pay via cash or in case of accident having your records always with you, do you really think, the government would be THAT behind it? Would they care if it was easier for you to pay by Chip? I don't think so.
This will be (or already IS) a MARK, as cows are marked. And what are these marks for? They show that the cows BELONG to someone. Whom would we then be long to? The government? The government behind the government?
I believe that they not only mark the body but the "spiritual body" as well, the soul, so to say. And that mark can't be cut off by cutting the hand of. You then BELONG. Try to get out of THIS....?!
And also, those Chips get older when years go by, and the batteries could leap, try to imagine that pain.

[armoured_amazon]

This will be (or already IS) a MARK, as cows are marked. And what are these marks for? They show that the cows BELONG to someone. Whom would we then be long to? The government? The government behind the government?
I believe that they not only mark the body but the "spiritual body" as well, the soul, so to say. And that mark can't be cut off by cutting the hand of. You then BELONG. Try to get out of THIS....?!
YES.

[revelations]

Well said ...good post! :)I will not take the Chip neither. Well it's easy to say, I'd rather die (and I indeed have a little daughter that could be used against me, let's face it), but in the end it is better to try to survive without the chip than dying anyway WITH the Chip.
If that was only about making the world simpler by not having to pay via cash or in case of accident having your records always with you, do you really think, the government would be THAT behind it? Would they care if it was easier for you to pay by Chip? I don't think so.
This will be (or already IS) a MARK, as cows are marked. And what are these marks for? They show that the cows BELONG to someone. Whom would we then be long to? The government? The government behind the government?
I believe that they not only mark the body but the "spiritual body" as well, the soul, so to say. And that mark can't be cut off by cutting the hand of. You then BELONG. Try to get out of THIS....?!
And also, those Chips get older when years go by, and the batteries could leap, try to imagine that pain.

[free_soul]

"shoot me!"
will be the answer to chips and dna data base

[chtheodoro]

Considering that all of us have heard many warnings about the chip, mainly derived by books of Christianity, it would be a terrible mistake to get the chip. By taking it, you clearly declare the side you belong to. We have all been warned. I personally prefer to live in the mountains than join the ones I now "hate".

Strange times, hard challenges. We should be proud to resist...:o

[ag3nt5mith]

I'd rather die than take a chip, bastards.

Heres a clip from Mythbusters pushing the RFID chip... :mad:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IDq_LBH_ZYs

Poor Carey Byron, What a fool.

Notice how they just let the story go after Grant Imahara hinted at government watch lists, Tory Belleci seemed happy to dig deeper though.

Also I have seen most of the junior team flashing the Satanic hand sign during the show.

Just another case of making the RFID chip cool to todays youth. :mad:

[elirien]

I'd rather die than take a chip, bastards.

Heres a clip from Mythbusters pushing the RFID chip... :mad:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IDq_LBH_ZYs

Poor Carey Byron, What a fool.

Notice how they just let the story go after Grant Imahara hinted at government watch lists, Tory Belleci seemed happy to dig deeper though.

Also I have seen most of the junior team flashing the Satanic hand sign during the show.

Just another case of making the RFID chip cool to todays youth. :mad:

Damn they looked pathetic. It looked like that "duck and cover" video from the cold war lol.

[armoured_amazon]

Considering that all of us have heard many warnings about the chip, mainly derived by books of Christianity, it would be a terrible mistake to get the chip. By taking it, you clearly declare the side you belong to. We have all been warned. I personally prefer to live in the mountains than join the ones I now "hate".

Strange times, hard challenges. We should be proud to resist...:o

Word. :)

[danster82]

Its not going to work like that first it will be, will you goto the interrogation center to fill out the questionaire and have your biometrics taken for your ID card.

Or it might just start with having your biometircs taken for your password on your next holiday.

Once everyones biometrics are taken and the ID card is in place then it will become optional to take the Chip.

Once a Majority have optionaly chosen to have the chip then it might become compulsory because they have the will of the mass's behind them.

At the moment its just biometrics for illigal aliens and private coprs and inst that want it.

[kblood]

Its not going to work like that first it will be, will you goto the interrogation center to fill out the questionaire and have your biometrics taken for your ID card.

Or it might just start with having your biometircs taken for your password on your next holiday.

Once everyones biometrics are taken and the ID card is in place then it will become optional to take the Chip.

Once a Majority have optionaly chosen to have the chip then it might become compulsory because they have the will of the mass's behind them.

At the moment its just biometrics for illigal aliens and private coprs and inst that want it.

Passports today is alot about biometrics today, some are very much so. And fingerprinting newcomers in many countries have become obligatory. In the US they are fingerprinting everyone who visits, and same goes for Scandinavia. Probably elsewhere as well.

[gordonfreeman]

Hell, even in fucking Disneyland and Disneyworld too.

As well as the biometric fingerprinting stand next to the rotating wheel gate. Every time you visit there, you must put your finger on the scanner and then you proceed to enter the theme park or parking lot.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Thanks for your comments, the only chip that I will be having is the one on my shoulder when this shit kicks off ...me personaly id rather die like a man rather than be totaly enslaved to the Elite.

Our minds and our bodies are OUR'S they belong to US not them! What gives them punks the right to take away our minds, our freedom and our rights?! :confused:

Man I swear Im gonna go out blasting ...reckon I can get at least 2 of them scumbags before they take me down. :mad:


Only 2 of them??? Don't set your sights (GRIN) so low. In this regard I COULD be an over achiever.

[kweli]

Anyone who has answered yes to the idea of chipping= You are your own worst enemy, you are the NWO followers , you are the ones that will get the snowball rolling so they can come after the rest of us...

You need to deny the chip flatout , no matter what they say they can do to you. Anybody in America that doesnt deny this thing is spitting on the thousands of people who have already died so that we could enjoy a random moment of non tyrannical governed oppression, which is how this world has always functioned and is the way it will go back to once the chip is in place

Couldn't have put it better.

[marpat]

Although you say will you take the chip what one do you mean?

Why focus on the negative? if all people had a tracking chip that could let somebody know where you are then as long as your not doing anything illegal it will not be a probem. What about the benefits;

1) your child gets abducted and you want them rescuing quickly, such a device would be able to find them quickly.
2) A dangerous criminal is on the loose after a killing spree. Unless they can remove or disable their chip they has nowhere to run.
3) Somebody is travelling through remote countryside and falls ill or has an accident. Once it is clear there is a problem they can be located quickly and hopefully before they expire.

Has any chip been built that could control the totality of human consciousness? I personally doubt it myself. But if it had and you got one stuck inside your head would you know and would it matter? maybe they could switch off all your thoughts that make you hate your life, so in effect making you happy as a happy person is more productive than a miserable slave. Maybe they will disable your ability to choose between a KFC or McDonalds, aarggh, no, give me the gun. Just some ideas. Why would anybody put a chip in your head to make you unhappy as this would make you rebellious and then they would have to use force to make you do their will, which seems illogical.

Not my beliefs but just chucking the ideas out. If the illuminati have controlled nations for thousands of years then why bother with this tech stuff all of a sudden? what happens if it fails? why build a world army if everybody will be chipped to comform and there will be no nations untouched? I must admit I am re-examining a lot of this conspiracy stuff in light of my experiences within this forum and am now begining to doubt a lot of the so called research as well as the future that people are convincing themselves is going to happen. Just seems to me like a lot of people living in desperate fear, afraid of things that they cannot confirm, where possibility ranks higher than probability, where to ask for proof is to make yourself an outcast, and where to have your own ideas and opinions is garaunteed to get you a lot of abuse from so called open, unconditioned minds.

[deca]

check celldar out, they don`t need a chip to track you,
with cctv linked into face reconistion software they don`t need it to indentify you, with all the information they gather about you it would not take long to map you....in fact they are talking about mapping mulisum in the news...they did this in Northen Ireland.
with mobile phones they can track and tap and bug you.
RFID chips will make it easier to track everyone automatic , think about it if something happens they could rewind back to that time and see who was about, like rewinding a cctv camera.
Also they can sell on the technology to retailers, you boss and so on.
The RFID chip does not effect you or control you but it would be easy to beam pulsed microwaves on you that can,Or target CCTV or other DEWS ect...

They probadly have a virtually world updated with real information form real people.
http://www.boeing.com/phantom/msa/images/nexus1_lg.jpg
its simple they will use the miltry battlefield control center and change it for policing the streets, instead of tracking tanks planes and enamy soidiors,it will be cars buses and you.

[deca]

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Intro/em_spect.jpg

----------------------------------------------------------^YOU

[marpat]

Thanks for the information. I am an electronics technician in the military and I don't see any build up in such equipment. My trade cover all sorts of stuff from IT, networking, to radio, radars and telecomms, but I must admit that the stuff that gets discussed in here just isn't even on the horizon yet. It would be easy to say that I am giving disinfo or that I am not aware of such things but for such a massive, so-called military project like that people in jobs like mine would be able to recognise something wierd was happening.

I don't think it will happen for several reasons:

1) Money. There is just not enough money around to get this stuff built and deployed. There is not enough money around for even the normal stuff.
2) Survivability. If it were possible it would not be long before people found a way around it. Soon criminal would have fake ones as there is no way some billionaire criminals will just bend over and accept this. People also could deliberately damage the chips or the antennae that send out the signals.
3) Practicality. To chip everybody would mean millions of people having to get a chip inserted. There are not enough medical facilites for this to be done. There isn't enough money in hospitals to keep then clean nowadays. What happens if 50,000 go wrong for some reason? this would be a major maintenance problem.
4) Legality. Basically unless there is a radical change in laws then you cannot be forced to have a chip implant.
5) Enforcement. Although you people may think all military people are chipped robots I doubt that that many people would sit in some control room remote controlling innocent people. Even if the control were at a higher, politically reliable level the actual maintenance would be at the lower levels. It would not be hard for people who were sympathetic to actually mess such system up. Do you think that some technician would just happily work with equipment that is manipulating his family and friends?

You guys are entitled to your opinions but I just cannot accept what some people believe is going to happen. I would like to see a good, valid technological model before even buying into this idea.

Like the post above says 'It would also APPEAR POSSIBLE to create'. 'it may be POSSIBLE to talk to individuals'. These are not definite answers. A possiblity is not a probability and is even less a proof.

[deca]

BAE Systems displays deployable surveillance unit for border and asset protection at IDEX
http://www.ameinfo.com/110995.html
Using the Spider command and control at its core, the system is configured in a standard headquarters layout, with the Deployable Surveillance Unit (DSU) situated outside.

The demonstration vehicle integrates a wide range of sensors including Radar, EO/IR cameras and motion detectors. At IDEX, the DSU will be operating as a stand alone C2 and sensor system demonstrating the protection of a high value asset. Sensors will include the Plextek Blighter radar, Pelco Esprit® camera, Senstar Steller (Perimitrax) intrusion detector, handheld PDA's showing BAE Systems mapping capability and Voice Over Internet Protocol (VOIP) phones. The fused picture will be relayed to the headquarters within the BAE Systems pavilion at IDEX.

BAE Systems is focused on delivering complete capability solutions within the security sector to meet its customers desire for highly reliable, time critical decision making systems to counter a range of activities including disputed borders, smuggling, economic migration, sabotage and threats that jeopardise national security.

[marpat]

BAE Systems displays deployable surveillance unit for border and asset protection at IDEX
http://www.ameinfo.com/110995.html

So we are talking about just tracking stuff then. Well then is not such a big thing.
I thought people were discussing the use of mind control rather than tracking. I think it is a doubled egde weapon. It can be used to protect or help people but like anything else it can be abused.

That Bae stuff is nothing special. Such high tech soultions have only a limited impact. look at Afghanistan, the border areas are still lawless, people move in and out all the time without being detected. Such technology is not meant to be a means in itself but just an aid on where to deploy assets. It helps people make decision but the work still generally has to be done by people on the ground. You can still only dominate an area by people power for now.

Can you imagine how much hardware it would take to get a complete, up to the minute picture of what goes on in a large town? this sort of stuff just would be impractical.

[deca]

UK Police Map Muslims
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=18788
Scotland Yard will map nook and cranny in Britain to prevent British Muslims from turning to extremism and to stamp out zones potential to create extremists or terror sympathizers.
Thursday, 28 February 2008 12:18
Scotland Yard will map nook and cranny in Britain to prevent British Muslims from turning to extremism and to stamp out zones potential to create extremists or terror sympathizers.

"You have to assess where the need is greatest. Just relying on the census data for the number of Muslims in an area is not detailed or sophisticated enough," a senior police source privy to the new strategy told the Guardian on Thursday, February 28.

The plan, marked restricted and approved by the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) this week, will be rooted in "neighboring profiling."

"This will allow us to connect with all groups and to understand what is normal and what is unusual," reads the 40-page document, a copy of which was obtained by the daily.

"We need to continually improve our knowledge about communities and how they function both in a social and religious context."

The ACPO, a top-level counter-terror committee, has put forward the new plan on the ground that little progress had been made to fight terror despite police efforts.

"It's a recognition that it is a major and important new area of work and the police should see it as a mainstream area of work," said the senior police source.

All-inclusive

The plan, expected to enter into fruition within weeks, is all-inclusive as it targets schools, colleges, prisons and even websites.

It envisages anti-extremism guides to parents on how to protect their children from visiting extremist websites.

"The internet is a potential area where a tendency towards violent extremism can be exploited," reads the document.

"Parents and carers have a need for advice on how to control access for their children and to understand what defines the legal/potentially illegal divide."

The new strategy stipulates that all state-maintained educational establishments from primary schooling through to universities will have an anti-extremism guide as of the 2008/9 academic year.

It says there is a "pressing need to develop the growing relationships between the police and the education sector at every level with regard to preventing violent extremism."

The Higher Education Ministry issued on Tuesday, January 22, a guidance for university and college campuses to combat "the threat of violent extremism."

The "tool kit" advises universities to avoid "segregation" of pupils by declining requests for Muslim prayer and ablution facilities.

The ministry also calls universities to have a clearly publicized code of practice on freedom of speech and share information with security services regarding suspicious pupils and external speakers.

The guide drew rebuke from student groups, Muslim and non-Muslim, as well as professors over would provoking suspicion and animosity towards innocent students.

Building Trust

The new strategy, at the same time, says police must try rebuilding burnt bridges of trust with the Muslim minority, estimated at two million.

"Research last year revealed that the police service would be very low on the list of agencies that the Muslim community would turn to if they had concerns about a member of their community who embraced violent extremism," it admits.

"…the police service has a long way to go in building a relationship of trust around these issues."

The Muslim minority has been in the eye of the storm since the 9/11 attacks, complaining of a growing Islamophobic climate in the European country.

Unlike similar plans in the past, the new document does accept that foreign policy can be a key factor in fueling terrorism.

Stopping short of mentioning the Iraq war, the document urges police officers to "effectively address grievances" sparked by British foreign policy.

"This objective is not for the police alone. Some grievances will be international in dimension."

The London-based Royal Institute of International Affairs has said that the Iraq war gave a momentum to Al-Qaeda's recruitment and fundraising and made Britain more vulnerable to terror attacks.

[deca]

So we are talking about just tracking stuff then. Well then is not such a big thing.
I thought people were discussing the use of mind control rather than tracking. I think it is a doubled egde weapon. It can be used to protect or help people but like anything else it can be abused.

That Bae stuff is nothing special. Such high tech soultions have only a limited impact. look at Afghanistan, the border areas are still lawless, people move in and out all the time without being detected. Such technology is not meant to be a means in itself but just an aid on where to deploy assets. It helps people make decision but the work still generally has to be done by people on the ground. You can still only dominate an area by people power for now.

Can you imagine how much hardware it would take to get a complete, up to the minute picture of what goes on in a large town? this sort of stuff just would be impractical.


Would you not have to track something then target it!!!!

Can you imagine how much hardware it would take to get a complete, up to the minute picture of what goes on in a large town? this sort of stuff just would be impractical.

can`t see how it would any different from a large battlefield, wouldn`t large town have cctv system, traffic control , ect ect to get data from anyway.
rfid readers, mobile phone masts

http://www.traceamobile.com/
Thanks to revolutionary mobile phone tracking technology you can now track any mobile phone on any of the UK's four major network. Using no additional hardware or Sim unlocking, our mobile phone tracking service is ideal for families, friends or businesses who have staff working outdoors. You can even track your own mobile phone! It's ideal for people who enjoy outdoor activities, like hiking or climbing so if you got into difficulties and were unable to use your phone, then friends or family could quickly locate you and advise the emergency services. And because the person has given permission to be traced and our mobile tracking system is secure, it's 100% safe! You also get 120 free traces a year and free SMS service.



Also is the goverment not planing to track cars anyway, pay per mile!!!

[marpat]

So what? of they could do nothing and lets the terrorists move freely. There are terrorist who would happily cut your throat and kill your family. Threats need counters. We are not talking about nice people who have a point to make of feel disillusioned but people who have recevied training and who are actively acquiring weapons. That plan outlined present no problems for me. The muslim community often know who the bad apples are but don't wish to report them.

I know a lot of people in here are anti-goverment but there are people who work every day and night to keep tabs on people who are happy to be martyred for their cause. This same government pays people to root them out before they can carry out their murders.

[deca]

So what? of they could do nothing and lets the terrorists move freely. There are terrorist who would happily cut your throat and kill your family. Threats need counters. We are not talking about nice people who have a point to make of feel disillusioned but people who have recevied training and who are actively acquiring weapons. That plan outlined present no problems for me. The muslim community often know who the bad apples are but don't wish to report them.

I know a lot of people in here are anti-goverment but there are people who work every day and night to keep tabs on people who are happy to be martyred for their cause. This same government pays people to root them out before they can carry out their murders.
hmmm 6000 died in a uk hosptals from 1 superbug

how many died from terroest last year in the uk

[deca]

hmm oil companys and militry complex companys make huge profits last year....
NHS hospitals in debt!!!!

[marpat]

Would you not have to track something then target it!!!!


can`t see how it would any different from a large battlefield, wouldn`t large town have cctv system, traffic control , ect ect to get data from anyway.
rfid readers, mobile phone masts

http://www.traceamobile.com/


Also is the goverment not planing to track cars anyway, pay per mile!!!

It is easy to make statements saying they could do this or that but making it work is different. A battlefield is nothing like a city or town. There are so many differences. If one town has 20,000 people in it then can you imaging the scale of the operation for just one town?
Target something for what. Why would any government want to track you for instance unless you were a subverse terrorist? do you think they would target Joe Fatbody as he nips to the shop for a bacon butty? you need to ask Why!!!! don't you think tracking could be helpful in the case of missing or abducted children? I think it would be a huge asset if there was a system that could tell you where a missing relative is, especially if they have gotten lost somewhere.
Has pay per mile been endorsed fully then? I would just travel less or use a train or bus, so not a big issue.

[marpat]

hmm oil companys and militry complex companys make huge profits last year....
NHS hospitals in debt!!!!

Maybe the companies make profits but the military is certainly not getting huge sums of cash. Same with many companies, they exist only to make cash for themselves and will such everything dry, even government insitutions, but so what?

[beldazar]

I cannot believe that there are 5 people on this forum who would take the chip, In my opinion your dead if you do anyway! Somebody even mentioned that if your child gets chipped you can find them easily! Bloody hell! Why do you think that there is so much fuss on the news about a missing child when barely nothing was heard several years ago! Its to encourage mothers to think exactly that! Unbelievable!

[marpat]

I cannot believe that there are 5 people on this forum who would take the chip, In my opinion your dead if you do anyway! Somebody even mentioned that if your child gets chipped you can find them easily! Bloody hell! Why do you think that there is so much fuss on the news about a missing child when barely nothing was heard several years ago! Its to encourage mothers to think exactly that! Unbelievable!

Whatever

Is this a forum where it is essentially wrong to have your own ideas, or where to be different from the status quo means that you are just in denial of your impending doom? it certainly seems that way.

To me it looks like a lot of people are ruled by fear of the unknown future as until people start getting forcefulyy chipped it is just a theory. I prefer to remain open about my future and to not let such fears rules my life. The whole 'this is going to happen' thing smacks so much of the apocolyptic ideas that people had before 2000. So what, there is some technology that can be used to track people. It does not mean you will be forced to get an implant, neither has there been any official statement that the goverment intends all people to have an implant, it does not mean that it will ever be used for population control.

You can buy into all that if you want but I am quite confident that the suggestion that the entire population will be chipped is ludicrous. Lets face it there are millions of people in Britain alone who are not even worth tracking. You could track them going from their home, signing on, going to the pub for a bit, then going back home for their dinner before crashing out. Yup all that money and technology to watch something like that, or maybe granny Bloogs picking up her pension and nipping into the bookies for a flutter before going to the bingo.

[antiem]

I cannot believe that there are 5 people on this forum who would take the chip, In my opinion your dead if you do anyway! Somebody even mentioned that if your child gets chipped you can find them easily! Bloody hell! Why do you think that there is so much fuss on the news about a missing child when barely nothing was heard several years ago! Its to encourage mothers to think exactly that! Unbelievable!


Thank you so much, beldazar, you're SO RIGHT! Again we see the manipulation of our brains - even in this forum! It really makes me sad reading those thin arguments and blind trust in the good government. :(

[beldazar]

Hi marpat, i hope you are right, I have thought myself that if they want to go thru with it then they arent pushing that hard! I will stick to my guns about the fuss of missing maddie, even one of the cops in charge made a comment on the amount of media coverage. I was pissed off enough at having to have a card just to take out MY money, they tell me its quicker but it certainly isnt!"I have to put it in, take it out, put it in again to get my balance then take it out again. It would be nice to be given the choice instead of being told what to do! You are correct when you say not to focus on the negative because as we all create our reality, the more thoughts we put onto something, the more likely it would happen. I was just answering the op. :D

[marpat]

Thank you so much, beldazar, you're SO RIGHT! Again we see the manipulation of our brains - even in this forum! It really makes me sad reading those thin arguments and blind trust in the good government. :(


You mean people who think for themselves. What I am seeing in here is a load of paranoid people who are conditioned into fear of the government. Basically you people are slaves to fear of authority.

I could easily say you are mind controlled by conspiracy theories as you have bought into something out of fear, something which does is not even in physical operation. But at the end of the day it's your OPINION.

I hardly think I have blind trust in the governmet. I work for them and don't trust them!!! at least I can see things from the other side though rather than just barking in the dark.

[beldazar]

oh and something else, I have noticed a rise in dogs attacking people recently, does anyone know if these dogs have been chipped? They do seem to be pedigree, which would mean the owners wouldnt like to lose them (pedigrees get taken more often) Im not being paraniod but chipping dogs is becoming rather popular, my n eighbour had her last dog done, I wonder if there is a correlation here? Anyone know?

[marpat]

oh and something else, I have noticed a rise in dogs attacking people recently, does anyone know if these dogs have been chipped? They do seem to be pedigree, which would mean the owners wouldnt like to lose them (pedigrees get taken more often) Im not being paraniod but chipping dogs is becoming rather popular, my n eighbour had her last dog done, I wonder if there is a correlation here? Anyone know?

For fuck sake, chipped attack pedigree dogs???? where will it end. You don't think that a rise and fall in such things could just be statistics, you know rising and decreasing cycles? or maybe it is just that people are reporting such things more often?

The chip used in such dogs are for ID only so that if they get stolen you can find them, a bit like the things you can get to find your stolen cars, etc. It's just asset protection.

You not being paranoid? and a bear doesn't shit in the woods. And people think that I believe things blindly? just look at what you are saying.

Look at this unpopular thing that I posted. It was meant to be a bit of anecdotal humour.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=288028#post288028

[antiem]

You mean people who think for themselves. What I am seeing in here is a load of paranoid people who are conditioned into fear of the government. Basically you people are slaves to fear of authority.

I could easily say you are mind controlled by conspiracy theories as you have bought into something out of fear, something which does is not even in physical operation. But at the end of the day it's your OPINION.

I hardly think I have blind trust in the governmet. I work for them and don't trust them!!! at least I can see things from the other side though rather than just barking in the dark.

I know what you mean, marpat. But, after all, hasn't history shown that theres is a whole lot more going on in the dark than showing to the public? So why not barking at the dark? :D
I personally don't think that I am a slave to fear of authority, as I don't hide and shut up. What I AM doing is looking at the present with open eyes, including conspiracy theories, religions and politics, and then chose my way to not take part as far as it is possible with my little family in the background.
I am not afraid of people seeing what kind of vegetable I bought today as I truly have nothing to hide.
But I don't want to take part or at least don't want to support that kind of community, destroying itself sooner or later. And that includes the chip as well.
I leave people their choise, of course, to get chipped, but still it makes me sad.

[beldazar]

well marpat, I have read several of your posts and I do find you a bit rude at times, if you are spiritual, im running the other way! :D

[marpat]

well marpat, I have read several of your posts and I do find you a bit rude at times, if you are spiritual, im running the other way! :D


Well I do get rude occasionally. You will often find that it is a response to what people have posted to me though. I get a bit tired of people moralising at me, trying to tell me I need to wake up just because I have my own ideas, or just being nasty because of my job.

I don't care where you run, I am not looking for people to follow me. To be honest I am getting tired of this forum. It is so negative. People are always looking at doomsday but never at what to do about it, or what happens if things turn out good.

I believe that the real battle for control of the human mind will be won within the hearts of every person. I think that only by people collectively developing an overwhelming positive drive that the true inner battle will be won. To many people are scared and cut off from the inner links for this to be decisive.

[beldazar]

yeah thats fair enough, totally understandable, I get that way myself! :D

[steevo]

For fuck sake, chipped attack pedigree dogs???? where will it end. You don't think that a rise and fall in such things could just be statistics, you know rising and decreasing cycles? or maybe it is just that people are reporting such things more often?

The chip used in such dogs are for ID only so that if they get stolen you can find them, a bit like the things you can get to find your stolen cars, etc. It's just asset protection.

You not being paranoid? and a bear doesn't shit in the woods. And people think that I believe things blindly? just look at what you are saying.

Look at this unpopular thing that I posted. It was meant to be a bit of anecdotal humour.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=288028#post288028

On this forum some people like to TRY to knock your confidence in what you are thinking. And Marpat is one of those poeple. He and Coshh like to stick up for this terrible system no matter what. Yeah it IS possible that chips can make dogs attack IMO go look into it Marpat.

[marpat]

On this forum some people like to TRY to knock your confidence in what you are thinking. And Marpat is one of those poeple. He and Coshh like to stick up for this terrible system no matter what. Yeah it IS possible that chips can make dogs attack IMO go look into it Marpat.

Who said I haven't looked into it? bit presumptuous aren't you. Just because I don't buy doesn't mean I haven't looked.

The trouble with you steevo is that you are one of them people who believe that if it's not your way it's the wrong way. I like to make up my own mind not have it pushed in my face by the likes of you. Have you got any technical background? I have so it helps when looking at this stuff. You are the product of negative mind programming that goes on the defensive as soon as people express opinions other then yor own. If the illuminati wanted to scare people into submission so that they all conform to a rigid set of beliefs, and don't tolerate people having their own mind, then this would be the place for them to do it, and people like you would make their work easy.

[steevo]

Who said I haven't looked into it? bit presumptuous aren't you. Just because I don't buy doesn't mean I haven't looked.

The trouble with you steevo is that you are one of them people who believe that if it's not your way it's the wrong way. I like to make up my own mind not have it pushed in my face by the likes of you. Have you got any technical background? I have so it helps when looking at this stuff. You are the product of negative mind programming that goes on the defensive as soon as people express opinions other then yor own. If the illuminati wanted to scare people into submission so that they all conform to a rigid set of beliefs, and don't tolerate people having their own mind, then this would be the place for them to do it, and people like you would make their work easy.

Read that post of yours that I replied to, and this will show that YOU dont like it if someone says something that YOU dont agree with.

[antiem]

Guys, be peaceful to each other! Don't get everything as an offense against your personality! You do know what separation is the base for.
come on.

[marpat]

Read that post of yours that I replied to, and this will show that YOU dont like it if someone says something that YOU dont agree with.


What, that if someone sends me a nasty, offensive post I am rude to them. It seem that you thought it meant if they have different ideas to me, not at all.

I am not bothered what peoples opinions are, they are entitled to them, but what I do find wrong is when people like you try telling people to go and look into stuff or telling people that they are wrong. I have lost count of how many times I have heard the conspiracy theory cliche 'wake up' just because I don't buy everything at face value. And then you accuse me of trying to knock somebodies confidence? for what reason? this is not some competition to see who knows the most.

You said it is your OPINION that there are chipped attack dogs out there. Doesn't sound like evidence that. Maybe they have bionic jaws as well as it hasn't been prove that they don't have them. And how does the tracking chip manage to do this? please, thrill me with your acumen. No star trek answers either. Perhaps you can tell me how the chip interacts with the dogs nervous system?

[lizzy]

On this forum some people like to TRY to knock your confidence in what you are thinking. And Marpat is one of those poeple. He and Coshh like to stick up for this terrible system no matter what. Yeah it IS possible that chips can make dogs attack IMO go look into it Marpat.

LOL.....right on, steevo.:D:D

[steevo]

What, that if someone sends me a nasty, offensive post I am rude to them. It seem that you thought it meant if they have different ideas to me, not at all.

I am not bothered what peoples opinions are, they are entitled to them, but what I do find wrong is when people like you try telling people to go and look into stuff or telling people that they are wrong. I have lost count of how many times I have heard the conspiracy theory cliche 'wake up' just because I don't buy everything at face value. And then you accuse me of trying to knock somebodies confidence? for what reason? this is not some competition to see who knows the most.

You said it is your OPINION that there are chipped attack dogs out there. Doesn't sound like evidence that. Maybe they have bionic jaws as well as it hasn't been prove that they don't have them. And how does the tracking chip manage to do this? please, thrill me with your acumen. No star trek answers either. Perhaps you can tell me how the chip interacts with the dogs nervous system?

Everything we discuss here is opinion really because we werent actually there to witnesss any of it (except on rare occasions) but we must take the "evidence" and what we have researched and try to keep up with what "the powers that be" are doing and what they have done and what they plan to do in the future.

You say that people have told you to "wake up" cos you DONT take everything at face value ? That is the POINT, you DO seem to take it all at face value, whatever the mainstream media tell you, you take it at face value most of the time from what I have read.

Do your own research into microchips, there are plenty of threads on here.

You KNOW what I mean when I say that you are "trying to knock our confidence" :rolleyes::cool:

[marpat]

Everything we discuss here is opinion really because we werent actually there to witnesss any of it (except on rare occasions) but we must take the "evidence" and what we have researched and try to keep up with what "the powers that be" are doing and what they have done and what they plan to do in the future.

You say that people have told you to "wake up" cos you DONT take everything at face value ? That is the POINT, you DO seem to take it all at face value, whatever the mainstream media tell you, you take it at face value most of the time from what I have read.

Do your own research into microchips, there are plenty of threads on here.

You KNOW what I mean when I say that you are "trying to knock our confidence" :rolleyes::cool:


Yes chips are out there but explain to me why you think the dog had one. I think you equate possibility with probability. Oh yes, a nasty dog, must be chipped. Great deduction on that one, good call. And can you explain how a chip that is used to track actually caused the dogs brain to become agitated?

Mainstream media? hardly, as I don't bother with the news or papers. I have seen a lot of these web site that people keep linking and a lot of it is just speculation based on some techincal ideas. I am getting really bored with all this speculative crap that people are just sucking up then acting like they really know whats going on. A lot of them say things like' it is possible that', 'we think that this could happend because', etc. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of 'this is whats being done and this is exactly how it works, and this is the solution to it'

I like it when people say do your own research as that usually means they don't have an answer, or not one that is not on somebodies web page that they then link to. Perhaps you need to research the actual feasability of such things on the scale that people are suggestion but I guess mainstream rationalising just doesn't fit in with the believe or get out mentality that is prevailent in here.

[steevo]

Yes chips are out there but explain to me why you think the dog had one. I think you equate possibility with probability. Oh yes, a nasty dog, must be chipped. Great deduction on that one, good call. And can you explain how a chip that is used to track actually caused the dogs brain to become agitated?

Mainstream media? hardly, as I don't bother with the news or papers. I have seen a lot of these web site that people keep linking and a lot of it is just speculation based on some techincal ideas. I am getting really bored with all this speculative crap that people are just sucking up then acting like they really know whats going on. A lot of them say things like' it is possible that', 'we think that this could happend because', etc. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of 'this is whats being done and this is exactly how it works, and this is the solution to it'

I like it when people say do your own research as that usually means they don't have an answer, or not one that is not on somebodies web page that they then link to. Perhaps you need to research the actual feasability of such things on the scale that people are suggestion but I guess mainstream rationalising just doesn't fit in with the believe or get out mentality that is prevailent in here.

I never actually said those words that you said I said about the dog.

The reason I dont bother trying to explain things to you about what I believe (yes I will use the word "believe" if I wish with no care that you may try to use the word against me) is that I know that you are not interested. You are just here to disrupt people who want to make and plan for a better world by "waking people up" (a phrase that from my observations you do not like but that doesnt matter because you are too stuck in a mindset that makes you not give a shit about your fellow man, hence you are on this forum disrupting peoples train of thought and leading them down dead ends just like you are doing now with me).

[exmicrochipmafia]

Thanks for the information. I am an electronics technician in the military and I don't see any build up in such equipment. My trade cover all sorts of stuff from IT, networking, to radio, radars and telecomms, but I must admit that the stuff that gets discussed in here just isn't even on the horizon yet. It would be easy to say that I am giving disinfo or that I am not aware of such things but for such a massive, so-called military project like that people in jobs like mine would be able to recognise something wierd was happening.

I don't think it will happen for several reasons:

1) Money. There is just not enough money around to get this stuff built and deployed. There is not enough money around for even the normal stuff.
2) Survivability. If it were possible it would not be long before people found a way around it. Soon criminal would have fake ones as there is no way some billionaire criminals will just bend over and accept this. People also could deliberately damage the chips or the antennae that send out the signals.
3) Practicality. To chip everybody would mean millions of people having to get a chip inserted. There are not enough medical facilites for this to be done. There isn't enough money in hospitals to keep then clean nowadays. What happens if 50,000 go wrong for some reason? this would be a major maintenance problem.
4) Legality. Basically unless there is a radical change in laws then you cannot be forced to have a chip implant.
5) Enforcement. Although you people may think all military people are chipped robots I doubt that that many people would sit in some control room remote controlling innocent people. Even if the control were at a higher, politically reliable level the actual maintenance would be at the lower levels. It would not be hard for people who were sympathetic to actually mess such system up. Do you think that some technician would just happily work with equipment that is manipulating his family and friends?

You guys are entitled to your opinions but I just cannot accept what some people believe is going to happen. I would like to see a good, valid technological model before even buying into this idea.

Like the post above says 'It would also APPEAR POSSIBLE to create'. 'it may be POSSIBLE to talk to individuals'. These are not definite answers. A possiblity is not a probability and is even less a proof.


You forget that those who want a chipped populace, also want to reduce the world's population to about a 1/2 billion; much easier to chip that many people.

[on the road]

no brainer for me

chip me

[chandrakavi]

no brainer for me

chip me

People are on their way to your place, (they know all your moves)
billing you for 50,000 dollars. THANK YOU SIR, this is a business, glad you like our product.

[marpat]

This is amazing. The thread says will you take the chip or die. If you put any idea forward that is not negative people start behaving hysterical, which I think defeats the whole idea of putting this thread up.

It is easy to say thay you will kill yourself but until such a thing happens you don't truly know how you will respond. If you watch the old videas showing German exterminatin squads then you will notice how many people just accept what is happening and just line up even though they are surrounded by bodies. I myself have wondered why they don't overpower the guards as they are numerically superior and have nothing to lose.

There is also the fact that the human will to live is greater than the will to die so that unless you are faced with a situation in which life is just not an option at all then the chances are that you will just accept it.

[marpat]

You forget that those who want a chipped populace, also want to reduce the world's population to about a 1/2 billion; much easier to chip that many people.

Oh yes they want to destroy all of those people, the people who actually do all of the work, work in the factories, do all the shitty labouring jobs, make the buildings, sail the ship, fly the planes, ad infinitum. If they killed all of these people then the producivity power of nations would die off.

I still doubt the whole concept. There are far too many variables for such a thing to be used on such a scale, but you can believe what you want.

[antiem]

Oh yes they want to destroy all of those people, the people who actually do all of the work, work in the factories, do all the shitty labouring jobs, make the buildings, sail the ship, fly the planes, ad infinitum. If they killed all of these people then the producivity power of nations would die off.
Well, people working in factories become replaced more and more by robots. Street cleaners used to sweep the streets with brooms and were replaced by a cleaner car, that needs ONE laborer only.
Hospitals get together for reducing personal.
companies merge and leave thousands of workers without job.
Letters are sorted by a robot.
Storeage places have no more need for warehouse clerks, all done with machines.
Online shops increase as they don't need no selling personal.

[marpat]

Well, people working in factories become replaced more and more by robots. Street cleaners used to sweep the streets with brooms and were replaced by a cleaner car, that needs ONE laborer only.
Hospitals get together for reducing personal.
companies merge and leave thousands of workers without job.
Letters are sorted by a robot.
Storeage places have no more need for warehouse clerks, all done with machines.
Online shops increase as they don't need no selling personal.

Like I said you can believe what you like but if a such a thing was heading our way do you really think you could do anything about it?

[antiem]

Like I said you can believe what you like but if a such a thing was heading our way do you really think you could do anything about it?

First of all it's worth a try, and the earlier I try the more it is possible. For example, I always pay with cash. I don't want to FIGHT against it, as we all know that it only causes more fight. I just try to take as little part as possible.
An universal law is our free will. So we can always chose. The hard or the easy way. It's obvious which one's the hard one.
But I think it is possible to not take part and therefore become an "outlaw". I am damn convinced that, if it gets that far before we can change that place into a loving one, I won't take part.

[marpat]

First of all it's worth a try, and the earlier I try the more it is possible. For example, I always pay with cash. I don't want to FIGHT against it, as we all know that it only causes more fight. I just try to take as little part as possible.
An universal law is our free will. So we can always chose. The hard or the easy way. It's obvious which one's the hard one.
But I think it is possible to not take part and therefore become an "outlaw". I am damn convinced that, if it gets that far before we can change that place into a loving one, I won't take part.


My stance is that if the powers that are behind such a thing are these so called reptoids existing in the 4th dimension then that is where the battle needs to be fought. It is no point fighting against the implementers if the things that are making the decisions and pushing the buttons are left unaffected.

I reckon the only way such a thing will come about is be offering incentives to people who accept such a device, ie an immigrant wants to become a citizen then it is written into the deal that they will accept the chip for security purposes.

I still believe that the people who really should be chipped are those who make decisions as control of their mind is far more important than control of the minds of the public.

If people think that it is defintely coming and that they will be faced with such a choice then why are they not thinking of ways they could kill themselves humanely before it even appears and save themselves a lot of time having to work for a living while heading towards such a time. Maybe this is a scam and the idea is to terrify people into taking their own lives soon and hence reduce the population.

[antiem]

My stance is that if the powers that are behind such a thing are these so called reptoids existing in the 4th dimension then that is where the battle needs to be fought. It is no point fighting against the implementers if the things that are making the decisions and pushing the buttons are left unaffected.
Exactly right, I completely agree. That is why you shouldn't fight it, but go around it. And with IT I don't mean the chip only, but the whole control system we're living in. Step by step it is possible to slip in a live aside the addiction to the control.

I reckon the only way such a thing will come about is be offering incentives to people who accept such a device, ie an immigrant wants to become a citizen then it is written into the deal that they will accept the chip for security purposes.
Right. Or, for example, not being able to BUY something without the chip; "verichip only".
Or not being treated in a hospital without it. Your child not alloewd to go to school without it. And so on. It's a paranoid guess, you may say (and it surely sounds like that... :D), but for me it's a possible future, looking at mankinds history.

If people think that it is defintely coming and that they will be faced with such a choice then why are they not thinking of ways they could kill themselves humanely before it even appears and save themselves a lot of time having to work for a living while heading towards such a time. Maybe this is a scam and the idea is to terrify people into taking their own lives soon and hence reduce the population.
Surviving will is very strong. That's why it is so easy to manipulate via fear. Just look at the insurances....
If that was an option to me, I had to kill my husband and my baby daughter and my dad and my parents-in-law and and and and and as well, saving them from that terrible time ahead. Much more work to do! So I try to show the people around me that it is possible to live different. No convincing, no fighting, just showing. Works best for me.

[marpat]

[QUOTE=antiem;288897]

Right. Or, for example, not being able to BUY something without the chip; "verichip only".
Or not being treated in a hospital without it. Your child not alloewd to go to school without it. And so on. It's a paranoid guess, you may say (and it surely sounds like that... :D), but for me it's a possible future, looking at mankinds history.
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In the UK the government are pushing for compulsory ID cards for all people. This would hold all sorts of data about the individual. The reaction and resistance to this has been huge. Not only are the IT pro's saying that it will not be free from abuse but people expect it would not be long before criminals were getting fake ones made. And then there is the problem of holding all of that data in a secure area. Plus the cost is immense. The government are now saying it won't be compulsory but that for people to go to university or open a bank account they will need one, which they have to pay for themsevles.

I have been looking at the idea of the chip with this in mind as it has parallels. This is one reason why I doubt the chip angle. If just putting data onto a card is a massive technical and logistical nightmare then this problem is magnified many times if you decide to use chip implants.

Oh, when I speak of fighting I don't mean in a combative way, more of an assimilation and balancing way.

[deliciously_fresh]

Well I do get rude occasionally. You will often find that it is a response to what people have posted to me though. I get a bit tired of people moralising at me, trying to tell me I need to wake up just because I have my own ideas, or just being nasty because of my job.

I don't care where you run, I am not looking for people to follow me. To be honest I am getting tired of this forum. It is so negative. People are always looking at doomsday but never at what to do about it, or what happens if things turn out good.

I believe that the real battle for control of the human mind will be won within the hearts of every person. I think that only by people collectively developing an overwhelming positive drive that the true inner battle will be won. To many people are scared and cut off from the inner links for this to be decisive.

Just out of curiosity, but what is it that you do?

[marpat]

Just out of curiosity, but what is it that you do?

My job is ground based electronics, covering things like IT systems, radar, radio equipment. The problem for some people is that it is military, although none of the stuff I work on are actually weapons.

[deliciously_fresh]

My job is ground based electronics, covering things like IT systems, radar, radio equipment. The problem for some people is that it is military, although none of the stuff I work on are actually weapons.

Okay, thanks. And I do see what you mean after reading a few posts here and there in this thread.

If it's any consolation, I don't think all military folk are blood-thirsty psychos :D, and there are some good'uns with genuine intention to serve their country well.

[marpat]

Okay, thanks. And I do see what you mean after reading a few posts here and there in this thread.

If it's any consolation, I don't think all military folk are blood-thirsty psychos :D, and there are some good'uns with genuine intention to serve their country well.

Many thanks. It is nice to see people using an unbiased judgement. At first I was angry with peoples accusations but now it just bores me.

[antiem]

I don't care what people work. It doesn't show their personality, luckily. Imagine that, as I try to go credit cards and online banking out of the way, my husband works for GE Money Bank. :rolleyes:
Sometimes it helps seeing behind the curtain.

[marpat]

I don't care what people work. It doesn't show their personality, luckily. Imagine that, as I try to go credit cards and online banking out of the way, my husband works for GE Money Bank. :rolleyes:
Sometimes it helps seeing behind the curtain.


Very true

[deca]

hmm don`t we all feel safe now that marpat has reasured us, that there nothing to worry about, goverment does love us, they make a few mistake here and there we can`t trust them but hay let them get on with things, lets not question them, after all marpat works for them and he is in the know.And yes all these nasty chips and pulsed microwaves & mind control do exsit but our goverment would not use it on us, its not cricket and if they did it would be a mistake or only on terrorest or other bad people that deserved it. so move on nothing to worry about.......hallow earth any one,icke a fake hmm what else to get you off the real subjects!!!!!

[deliciously_fresh]

hmm don`t we all feel safe now that marpat has reasured us, that there nothing to worry about, goverment does love us, they make a few mistake here and there we can`t trust them but hay let them get on with things, lets not question them, after all marpat works for them and he is in the know.And yes all these nasty chips and pulsed microwaves & mind control do exsit but our goverment would not use it on us, its not cricket and if they did it would be a mistake or only on terrorest or other bad people that deserved it. so move on nothing to worry about.......hallow earth any one,icke a fake hmm what else to get you off the real subjects!!!!!

I don't think any other posters have completely dismissed the idea of an implant chip being true.

[marpat]

hmm don`t we all feel safe now that marpat has reasured us, that there nothing to worry about, goverment does love us, they make a few mistake here and there we can`t trust them but hay let them get on with things, lets not question them, after all marpat works for them and he is in the know.And yes all these nasty chips and pulsed microwaves & mind control do exsit but our goverment would not use it on us, its not cricket and if they did it would be a mistake or only on terrorest or other bad people that deserved it. so move on nothing to worry about.......hallow earth any one,icke a fake hmm what else to get you off the real subjects!!!!!

Why get personal. I have my opinion and you have yours, live with it. I am not trying to convince you of anything just stating why I don't think such a thing is feasable. If you can prove somebody has been chipped and controlled without consent then not only will I eat my foot as a repentence but you will have won a victory be exposing such an agenda. So, do you know anybody who had found a chip embedded on their pesron that they know nothing of and which has been controlling their life? I am quite happy to change my mind if you can produce one person who could testify to such a thing.

What is the Icke a fake thing about? my own attitude is that I will make my mind up and not just swallow what he says without giving some consideration. To you David may be a god but I think it would be wrong just to take everything he says at face value, as if it cannot be proven wrong or tested inaccurate. I have been going through my copy of the Biggest Secret again and highlighting parts that I know are inaccurate but which have been bent or taken out of context to make them fit the theme. I initally read it without being sceptical and he does have some good points. Also the material he uses comes from a lot of peoples research but there is no attempt to compare some of the more far out ideas with other standard theories. Unconventional research is used and if it sounds to far our as to be dismissed by mainstream science then there is an illuminait agenda to block that research.

Again with the hollow earth thing. Although Byrd was reported to have flown to the interior are there any pictures or any other things to support this idea apart from so called eye witnesses who have nothing to show. I think it would be amazing if such a thing were true and I think it would be revolutionary in changing what people think of the world. I wonder if David Icke could finance an expedition to test such claims as he must be making some money out of his books and lectures.

Damn I need to devlop the power of etheric projection then I could actually check this out for myself

Read this post of mine and see if you can see the funny side of it

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21006

[exmicrochipmafia]

Oh yes they want to destroy all of those people, the people who actually do all of the work, work in the factories, do all the shitty labouring jobs, make the buildings, sail the ship, fly the planes, ad infinitum. If they killed all of these people then the producivity power of nations would die off.

I still doubt the whole concept. There are far too many variables for such a thing to be used on such a scale, but you can believe what you want.


All you have to do is open your mind to the possibility and you can see how they'll make it work. Automation is highly advanced and we don't need as many people in the manufacturing sectors doing the 'shitty' jobs, and with the newly created ISAF, obviously set to phase out NATO, the world 'police force' is in place to disrupt dissident regions or nations.
They don't want super powers anymore- they want governments organized like the EU, much like the North American Union is set to come of age in the next few years, and the Pan Pacific Union. Each of these unions will be ruled by beaurocrats, the so called captains of industry, that are behind the global conspiracies, such as your beloved president's family, the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc.
Remember, these people control over 90% of the worlds' wealth, and they want the last piece of the pie, care nothing of the people acquiring it for them, and want to see the world in ruins so they can rebuild it in their image.
I'm not attacking you, or disagreeing with you; I'm just trying to show you an alternate thought path.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Like I said you can believe what you like but if a such a thing was heading our way do you really think you could do anything about it?

I believe the quote goes something like this: 'All evil needs to prosper is for good men to sit still and do nothing about it.'

[marpat]

I believe the quote goes something like this: 'All evil needs to prosper is for good men to sit still and do nothing about it.'

So what is your solution. As I stated before people seem to go on about what is going to happen but they never seem to have any solutions.

[marpat]

All you have to do is open your mind to the possibility and you can see how they'll make it work. Automation is highly advanced and we don't need as many people in the manufacturing sectors doing the 'shitty' jobs, and with the newly created ISAF, obviously set to phase out NATO, the world 'police force' is in place to disrupt dissident regions or nations.
They don't want super powers anymore- they want governments organized like the EU, much like the North American Union is set to come of age in the next few years, and the Pan Pacific Union. Each of these unions will be ruled by beaurocrats, the so called captains of industry, that are behind the global conspiracies, such as your beloved president's family, the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc.
Remember, these people control over 90% of the worlds' wealth, and they want the last piece of the pie, care nothing of the people acquiring it for them, and want to see the world in ruins so they can rebuild it in their image.
I'm not attacking you, or disagreeing with you; I'm just trying to show you an alternate thought path.

Open my mind to the possiblity? why not talk in terms of probability. Any thing can be made possible in theory but when you start talking of probability then that is something actually taking place. Until there is a high probability then I am not sold. How do you know what they want in truth? all that you are doing is trying to second guess. I am not against these theories but I just don't see things in the same way I guess.
It just seems like there is a lot of 'they can do this' without the how they can do it.
And how can you expect me to take stuff seriously when somebody was arguing with me before that because a dog had bit someone that it was possibly chipped.

In terms of greed, power and violence has the world never been any different. It is animal nature to try and dominate others as the power seekers do. Even though most people are slaves to governments in truth they still have a lot more going for their lives than people who lived a few hundred years ago.

I also think that a lot of wars are not just about money but about asset control. The US is trying to secure oil as it's own reserves are getting low. Governments don't want to sit around and hope that such things will be given in fair trade, they want to be out there getting their hands on the stuff and securing their positon so there will be no doubt as to availability. Can you imagine if powerful nations ran out of fuels? they would disintegrate. Their armed forces would be immobilised and their ability to fight wars reduced to almost nothing. No army, no power. I don't think this has to do with the NWO but it has a lot to do with governments desperate to secure assets that will prolong their nations future, as well as the standard of living for the civilians. Oh, and they like to make cash as well.

Can I ask you who my beloved president is? and I think we have drifted off topic a bit

[lizzy]

I don't think any other posters have completely dismissed the idea of an implant chip being true.

do u know someone called nuit?:eek:

[exmicrochipmafia]

Open my mind to the possiblity? why not talk in terms of probability. Any thing can be made possible in theory but when you start talking of probability then that is something actually taking place. Until there is a high probability then I am not sold. How do you know what they want in truth? all that you are doing is trying to second guess. I am not against these theories but I just don't see things in the same way I guess.
It just seems like there is a lot of 'they can do this' without the how they can do it.
And how can you expect me to take stuff seriously when somebody was arguing with me before that because a dog had bit someone that it was possibly chipped.

In terms of greed, power and violence has the world never been any different. It is animal nature to try and dominate others as the power seekers do. Even though most people are slaves to governments in truth they still have a lot more going for their lives than people who lived a few hundred years ago.

I also think that a lot of wars are not just about money but about asset control. The US is trying to secure oil as it's own reserves are getting low. Governments don't want to sit around and hope that such things will be given in fair trade, they want to be out there getting their hands on the stuff and securing their positon so there will be no doubt as to availability. Can you imagine if powerful nations ran out of fuels? they would disintegrate. Their armed forces would be immobilised and their ability to fight wars reduced to almost nothing. No army, no power. I don't think this has to do with the NWO but it has a lot to do with governments desperate to secure assets that will prolong their nations future, as well as the standard of living for the civilians. Oh, and they like to make cash as well.

Can I ask you who my beloved president is? and I think we have drifted off topic a bit

Well, I won't get into the whole thing about the dog biting because it was chipped. I used to be in the field of work, pushing the microchip for implants in pets, and I have watched first hand suffering in my own dog, that has no other alternative explanation, other than caused by the chip failing. Lesions (boils) that had no other alternate explanation, and rapidly degenerating health. Mercifully she is now at rest and the suffering is over for her.

Personally, I think the world could do a lot better without all these armies, that being said, we know that the reality is far from different. I once served for my country and am proud of that fact. Unfortunately, the present conflict in Iraq involves a lot of death for non-combatants all in the name of securing oil reserves and 'making cash.' All we see on the state controlled media is the sanitized version of what's really going on. Bush has no intention of ever leaving Iraq, nor shall any president who follows.

What's the solution? Good question. Educate yourself, educate others if they're open to the possibility. Pick up a protest placard and picket the white house, organize petitions, create lobby groups. Hell, I've even thought of creating my own paper to distribute unsanitized and unfiltered truth... factually based of course. It's the information age- consume information. Don't vote for the retards running for public office. Personally I see no need for governments in the first place.

[intruder]

my daughter is almost 21 and I have no wife. Hopefully my folks will have passed on before this manifests. I will PROUDLY commit suicide before I would bow down to the "suchness of this moment" and allow myself to be violated with their chip.

[xvnukervx]

Too many people believe that they will be able to continue the "fight" if they take the microchip. There are MANY MANY sources that are screaming at you people thats its not the messages the chip sends OUT that is so dangerous, its the messages that the chip RECEIVES.

I doubt after taking the chip you will want to fight a global dictatorship, as after getting that thing implanted they will control all your bodily fluid productions and dopamine levels.


Once that little monster gets installed they have got you by the BALLS.

[steevo]

do u know someone called nuit?:eek:

:D

[killmicrosoft]

marpat


once again you have proved you dont do any homework

I am an electronics technician in the military
um and full of rubbish

whats your rank and where and with whom

[deliciously_fresh]

do u know someone called nuit?:eek:

No I don't. Is there a story behind her? :eek:

[deliciously_fresh]

Well, I won't get into the whole thing about the dog biting because it was chipped. I used to be in the field of work, pushing the microchip for implants in pets, and I have watched first hand suffering in my own dog, that has no other alternative explanation, other than caused by the chip failing. Lesions (boils) that had no other alternate explanation, and rapidly degenerating health. Mercifully she is now at rest and the suffering is over for her.

Personally, I think the world could do a lot better without all these armies, that being said, we know that the reality is far from different. I once served for my country and am proud of that fact. Unfortunately, the present conflict in Iraq involves a lot of death for non-combatants all in the name of securing oil reserves and 'making cash.' All we see on the state controlled media is the sanitized version of what's really going on. Bush has no intention of ever leaving Iraq, nor shall any president who follows.

What's the solution? Good question. Educate yourself, educate others if they're open to the possibility. Pick up a protest placard and picket the white house, organize petitions, create lobby groups. Hell, I've even thought of creating my own paper to distribute unsanitized and unfiltered truth... factually based of course. It's the information age- consume information. Don't vote for the retards running for public office. Personally I see no need for governments in the first place.

Good advice.

[marpat]

marpat


once again you have proved you are a big pen@@

For having an opinion? I tell you what, I will just swallow all this conspiracy stuff and believe it all and then I will be a respectable conspiracy theory clone like you.

If your gonna get nasty can you state why.

It would be a lot more mature if you defeated me with an arguement rather than going for the childish name calling angle.

[killmicrosoft]

marpat


whats your rank and ware and with whom


suppose it will take some time to makeup your make believe life


and not defeated some of us have looked long and hard into what is happening your only argument is based on ignorance and a closed mind

[marpat]

marpat


whats your rank and ware and with whom


Oh yeah right, why should I divulge something like that? it is not your business. If I told you my present job description I know for a fact people will get the wrong idea.

Make believe life? whatever I have no reason to lie. The trouble is that as soon as anybody has an idea which seems pro-governmet or mainstream they are immediately condemned.

This thread was asking about accepting the chip or not. I gave an asnwer based on why I think it isn't going to happen and the result it that people in here get defensive because it is not what they want to hear. Why don't you just accept that people have opinions. You are behaving like a real dictator.

[killmicrosoft]

you reap what you sow mate

before you can argue you need the facts and you dont have any its just opinion and im afraid its the facts that count


without facts you cant argue because how can you form an argument without facts

you clearly have no knowledge of what is happening if you did that would be formed from fact not opinion without fact

I gave an asnwer based on why I think it isn't going to happen
no fact to your answer

[marpat]

you reap what you sow mate

before you can argue you need the facts and you dont have any its just opinion and im afraid its the facts that count


without facts you cant argue because how can you form an argument without facts

you clearly have no knowledge of what is happening if you did that would be formed from fact not opinion without fact

And what facts are these. I have read some of thes website that get linked and I agree some types of chip implant do exist.

I don't believe that the chips that can be used as tracking devices are the same as ones for mind control. Get me some facts about REAL chips being used to control REAL people and then prove that such things were done withiout consent.

Like I said you are a dictator. Just because I don't agree with the majority I am wrong? Would you say that because the majority of mainstream scientists would say that David Icke is wrong that he is? no, because they are all conditioned stooges with closed minds who can't think beyound what they have been told.

Like I said I gave my opinion, you don't like it tough. If I am wrong then tough shit for me isn't it. So much for open minded people who like to debate.

[killmicrosoft]

I don't believe that the chips that can be used as tracking devices are the same as ones for mind control


i would be inclined to agree with you their
however the tec is their and as you must well know we are kept well behind in turns of real tec


no im not a dictator if i was i would be working for the government

Would you say that because the majority of mainstream scientists would say that David Icke is wrong that he is?
what the hell has mainstream scientists got to do with it (do you really think your going to find your knowledge in a text book) do you think they are going to tell you "yes we are going to do it so tough stit" of course not

[QUOTE]whats your rank and where and with whom/QUOTE]
wonder why you cant answer this (bin caught out then) dont like it do you


must be all nice and fluffy in your world

[marpat]

i would be inclined to agree with you their
however the tec is their and as you must well know we are kept well behind in turns of real tec


no im not a dictator if i was i would be working for the government



[QUOTE]whats your rank and where and with whom/QUOTE]
wonder why you cant answer this (bin caught out then) dont like it do you so have your strop you big girl

You just don't give up. What is your problem? perhaps something personal?

Why would I identify myself to people like you. If you like I can post my home address so you can send me post cards as well.

Caught out? for what. what I think you don't like is that I have a technical job which has given me a bit of a foundation in electronics and I have used this to form my opinion. You think that by trying to discredit my role that it will somehow make my view invalid and make yours more valid. Pretty sad if it has come to that. It's more than sad, it's pathetic.

Why can't you accept that I have my own opinion, does it offend your belief system? are you incapable of accepting other people as having individual points of view. I know I am in the minority in this thread but I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with people wanting to pursue what they think are important concepts. But YOU obviously do have a problem with indivduals.

I am beginning to think you may be a little bit retarded so I am going to stop responding to your pointless attempts to provoke an arguement. Perhaps you should stick to the topic

[marpat]

This is my final post in this thread and is for the benefit of killmicrosoft.

To be a proper woo-woo,you must follow these rules:

1. Never look for the simplest, most obvious cause of something. Refrain from mentioning Occam's Razor (it's your nemesis).
2. Always favor the conspiracy angle over the boring angle. Mundane explanations (like saying that Roswell was a balloon) are for dullards and government drones. If you want to sleep with that curvaceous new-age chick, don't tell her you think astrology is bogus! (Non woo-woos may benefit from that advice temporarily).
3. Don't accept mainstream science unless it's something you've believed in for years (like gravity).
4. Try to answer as few direct questions as possible. Always obfuscate and try to sound learned. Mimic Richard Hoagland's style and you'll go far.
5. Use "what if" scenarios to change the subject whenever possible. If you linger on one topic too long you may be asked to provide annoying things like "proof." Don't let that happen! Consult a creationist if you need practice with subject-changing.
6. If you're cornered and asked for proof of something, always tell the person that they "can't disprove" your claims. Many of them will just walk away shaking their heads, which of course means they agree with you. A side-to-side head shake could be the same as a vertical nod. Anything is possible, after all.
7. Memorize all the sci-babble terms used in the Star Trek series. They are very useful if you get cornered by a skeptic, and you need to come up with some sort of "scientific" explanation. e.g., Inertial Dampeners. (Thanks to SkepticReport.com for the Star Trek terminology correction!)
8. When all else fails, start asking hypothetical questions that have nothing to do with the actual debate. If your opponent chooses to ignore your pointless questions and remains on topic, repeat your meaningless question(s) over and over. This will make any Believers in the audience think that your opponent is evading the issue.
9. Accuse your opponent of being a liar, or try some other tactic that will (hopefully) make him angry. If he responds in kind to your endless taunts, change the subject to his anger, and accuse him of name calling. If he accuses you of provoking him, then you have changed the subject of the debate. If he stays on topic, keep the heat up. The Believers in the audience will forgive the worst verbal attacks you use, but they will think even the mildest replies he makes to you are personal attacks that undermine his argument.
10. Use the word quantum in a sentence, despite not knowing what it means. For a more impressive effect, use it with the name of your favorite superstition - "quantum dowsing" sure sounds mighty serious.
11. Two more words: Paradigm shift.
12. Always claim that the other guy is "closed-minded" and that you're as free-thinking as a newborn baby. Other woo-woos love the concept of "open-mindedness" and will take you into their inner circle without question. They have no tolerance for those "mean old nasty" types who demand evidence for everything.
13. Drink heavily while posting.
14. You must believe that the word "anomaly" means proof of paranormal activity.
15. Use the word "anomaly" as often as possible.
16. When your position appears hopeless, your entire audience is laughing at you, and you've lost all credibility (and perhaps even won a Kook of the Month) threaten everyone within proximity with a lawsuit. You don't need to actually prepare a lawsuit, just make the threat. That will let them know you're a serious person.
17. Go make your own newsgroup with a group charter drawn up to keep out anyone who doesn't agree with your view of the world. Occasionally crosspost to other newsgroups from that one, then complain when people answer your posts, complain to their system admistrators that they're abusing the terms of your newsgroup and demand their accounts be yanked for abusive spamming. Respond to each answering message with a duplicate copy of the FAQ for your newsgroup.
18. Open numerous accounts under other names, then post agreeable responses to your own messages from those accounts. Everybody knows that the only reason anybody disagrees with you is that they like the belong to "the group" and have no independent thought of their own. Just manufacture a group of people who agree with you, and the rest of the mindless zeebs will fall into line, tripping over each other to become one of your supporters.
19. Fix the 'reply to' line of any post you make, to direct responses to your email account - this will automatically mail you a copy of any response made to your posts on usenet. Send copies of these mails to the postmasters and sysadmins of anyone who posts a disagreeing answer to you. Refer to these people as 'internet terrorists' and demand their accounts be canceled immediately for sending you unwanted email spam.
20. Refer to anyone who doggedly uncovers your latest little scams, time after time as "stalkers." Write to their sysadmins and demand their accounts be removed for net abuse.
21. Remember to occasionally tell your opponents that you've handed all the information you've collected about them to the local police/Mounties/FBI who were extremely interested and grateful for the advance notice of where to find criminals like you. You don't actually have to collect any information, or send it to anybody, but this will keep your opponents edgy, and make them paranoid. Mention that the police/Mounties/FBI are closing in on them, and that their day of reckoning is just moments away.
22. Refer to anyone who does not immediately agree with you as being uneducated on the matter, lacking in important information, or just plain too stupid to understand your magnificent statements.
23. Pretend to write a book. Nothing says "I am beyond reproach" like having written a book. If asked for an ISBN number, just make something up. Nobody ever looks at those anyway.
24. Pretend to have a degree. Never let yourself be pinned down to what kind or where you got it. Just state repeatedly that you have one, and therefore are superior, and may not be questioned upon any subject by anyone.
25. Claim that there is no evidence that you are a fraud, kook, net-abuser, spammer, or liar. Refer to any actual proof of this as "spinning" or "disinformation." Post messages that the system administrators of every system your opponents post from are on the verge of killing their accounts for net-abuse, and that you're going to set things right, and get rid of all these cynical lying fact-spinners by sending one final massive complaint against them all.
26. When all else fails.... SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM.....
27. When questioned, be sure to exclaim "They laughed at Galileo, too!" or perhaps "They laughed at Columbus, until he proved the earth was round!"
28. Always bear in mind that The Conspiracy Against You can do almost anything. After all, they've kept those 300 MPG carburetors secret for years.
29. Keep trotting out the one "respectable" scientist who might possibly have said something that could be construed as perhaps giving a hint that it may theoretically support your position. Even better if said scientist has said it outright. Ignore all complaints that the work is 50 years out of date, the scientist has no experience in the field in question or that other experts in the same field think said scientist is a complete loony (and they can prove it, too).
30. Dig out one reference that supports your position. Complain when someone presents a reference that refutes yours. Say that this means they can't think for themselves and your reference proves it. Ignore all queries on why you hold this hypocritical position.
31. Whenever you read something on the Internet, re-post it as fact.
Never bother to do even basic research into the matter.
32. Be sure to repeatedly spam your petty political rants onto lots of unrelated, off-topic newsgroups. (Those folks reading rec.culture.needlepoint are just dying to read about how much you hate a certain politician!)
33. One word: "Hyperdimensional."
34. When debating, remember that the best technique to "proving" your hypothesis is to start with a supposition, and when you get to the third point, refer to the supposition as a "fact". This may cause just enough initial confusion to let you escape with a momentary triumph.
35. Sock Puppets are very useful. If you can't find a weak-minded soul who will blindly parrot you in support of your nonsense, create your own. Then you can refer to your "many" supporters.
36. Quote Einstein, and do so often. Quote things he said if possible, but Einstein has been dead for ages now and so it's permissible to bring him up to date. Change the odd word here and there to make it clear that Einstein would have supported
your argument if only he knew what you know. Act as if any arbitrary Einstein quote supports your position.
37. Any and all communications problems including satellite failures, bad phone
connections, mysterious messages when dialing known phone numbers, busy signals
when trying to enter the grassy knoll on AOL, and radios left on during calls
must be blamed on the 'Conspiracy' trying to 'silence the truth'.
38. Use lots of ALL CAPS letters. Use them randomly: "I was posting my URL in alt.paranormal/alt.astrology. Then I was stopped because A MAJORITY OF POSTERS, PSEUDO-SKEPTIC RAVING FANATICS SCREAMED ABOUT IT."
39. Beware the "goodtimes" virus.
40. When all else fails, try to redefine what "skeptical", "skeptic" and "skepticism" mean so that you become a 'real' skeptic who accepts your own nonsense at face value.
41. Refer to yourself in the third person.

[killmicrosoft]

fact is defined as something that is the case, something that actually exists, or something that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation.[1][2] There is a range of other uses, depending on the context. Often a fact will be claimed in argument under the implied authority of a specific pedagogy, such as scientific facts or historical facts. Dispute may arise in defining the standard upon which the authority of the fact rests. Confounding this

opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.


you ask for proof that it happening yet when it is given are dismissive of fact yet you can not and do not offer any proof that it is not happening

Since i have been studding this for 7 years now and i have endless paperwork that would substantiate as fact not opinion i think that i know what i am talking about.

i never said you cant have your own opinion i just get a bit peed off when people make false claims and make out they have looked into things when it quiet obvious that they have not and talk as if they know something on the subject when they clearly dont.

The very fact that you are trying to make out you are something that you are not is totally funny as i studied psychology at bristol uni for 3 years



you can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all the people all of the time

[marpat]

fact is defined as something that is the case, something that actually exists, or something that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation.[1][2] There is a range of other uses, depending on the context. Often a fact will be claimed in argument under the implied authority of a specific pedagogy, such as scientific facts or historical facts. Dispute may arise in defining the standard upon which the authority of the fact rests. Confounding this

opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.


you ask for proof that it happening yet when it is given are dismissive of fact yet you can not and do not offer any proof that it is not happening

Since i have been studding this for 7 years now and i have endless paperwork that would substantiate as fact not opinion i think that i know what i am talking about.

i never said you cant have your own opinion i just get a bit peed off when people make false claims and make out they have looked into things when it quiet obvious that they have not and talk as if they know something on the subject when they clearly dont.

The very fact that you are trying to make out you are something that you are not is totally funny as i studied psychology at bristol uni for 8 years

You studied for all that time? a psychology degree is about 3-4 years so either you kept failing exams, are retarded, lying, or done a superduper degree. Did you go to one of the illuminati stooge universities? perhaps the psychology they taught you is not valid because they don't want to teach you the true facts about consciousness.

It is nice that you have some bits of paper. That really proves the facts doesn't it. Do you work or are you one of them lazy shits on benefits that I have to pay taxes to support?

Enough of that. I'm going to hang out in the hollow earth thread. Much more interesting in there

[killmicrosoft]

3 years cant you read

[marpat]

3 years cant you read


You dumb shit you have put you went to Bristol uni for 8 years. I knew you were retarded, you can't tell 3 from 8. You edited that out as can be seen if anybody reads my post with what you originally posted. You realised that I rumbled your lie and then you changed it. Trying to make yourself out to be something you are not eh????!!!! you tosser.

And are you just going to drop it? I must have got a big hook in you for you to keep biting like this. I guess your beliefs have taken a bump and you feel like you have to try and discredit me. I don't even have to try and provoke you, I just say things as they are and you bite. Some psychologist, any who were worth their salt would have easily ome out trumps.

Hoisted by your own petard

[catfood]

fact is defined as something that is the case, something that actually exists, or something that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation.[1][2] There is a range of other uses, depending on the context. Often a fact will be claimed in argument under the implied authority of a specific pedagogy, such as scientific facts or historical facts. Dispute may arise in defining the standard upon which the authority of the fact rests. Confounding this

opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.


you ask for proof that it happening yet when it is given are dismissive of fact yet you can not and do not offer any proof that it is not happening

Since i have been studding this for 7 years now and i have endless paperwork that would substantiate as fact not opinion i think that i know what i am talking about.

i never said you cant have your own opinion i just get a bit peed off when people make false claims and make out they have looked into things when it quiet obvious that they have not and talk as if they know something on the subject when they clearly dont.

The very fact that you are trying to make out you are something that you are not is totally funny as i studied psychology at bristol uni for 736 years



you can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all the people all of the time

Sorry just checking.

Last edited by killmicrosoft : 01-03-2008 at 01:19 PM

marpat’s post: 01-03-2008, 01:20 PM

[killmicrosoft]

catfood 736 years i like your sense of humor :):o:(:p:o:)



yea dont equate really does it
Last edited by killmicrosoft : 01-03-2008 at 01:19 PM

marpat’s post: 01-03-2008, 01:20 PM

You edited that out as can be seen if anybody reads my post with what you originally posted. You realised that I rumbled your lie and then you changed it

[killmicrosoft]

Anyway i would rather die than take the chip im not owned by anyone and never will be i would die to make sure my children dont have to suffer.
I will fight the system till the day i die

[marpat]

catfood 736 years i like your sense of humor :):o:(:p:o:)



yea dont equate really does it

What has happened here is that you changed it while I was typing the response.

Why don't you read what you wrote in post I replied to. It is right there.

Catfood actually got you off the hook there by showing that the quote can be manipulated but that does not mean that this is what happened. For somebody who spent 3, I mean 8, oh lets chage it to 3 years at uni your are remarkably stupid. 8 Years at uni, you Frasier or something.

Your not a psychologist, not by any stretch of the imagination.

[marpat]

Anyway i would rather die than take the chip im not owned by anyone and never will be i would die to make sure my children dont have to suffer.
I will fight the system till the day i die


Well why didn't you just say that and move on. That is what this thread was about

[marpat]

catfood 736 years i like your sense of humor :):o:(:p:o:)

I am a wanker who pretends to be a psychologist, I am a tool, I have no friends

yea dont equate really does it

Wow catfood was right you can do this

[killmicrosoft]

OH YOUR SO WITTY marpat
Whats wrong with you just got to try and prove everybody else is stupid
I would take long hard look at yourself

the fact that you are on here trying to disprove everything anybody says tells me that you must know that their is some truth in it and you want to prove to your self that their isn't otherwise you wouldn't bother.
this site is for people to get involved and share their knowledge not to try and belittle others and being dam-write rude to people.

the fact that you give your opinion bears no relevance to fact

your opinion counts but as i said before you can not form any fact in an argument as all you have is opinion not fact

do some homework and i will gladly have a civilized conversation with you

[marpat]

OH YOUR SO WITTY marpat
Whats wrong with you just got to try and prove everybody else is stupid
I would take long hard look at yourself

the fact that you are on here trying to disprove everything anybody says tells me that you must know that their is some truth in it and you want to prove to your self that their isn't otherwise you wouldn't bother. I am a cock. this site is for people to get involved and share their knowledge not to try and belittle others and being dam-write rude to people.

the fact that you give your opinion bears no relevance to fact

your opinion counts but as i said before you can not form any fact in an argument as all you have is opinion not fact

do some homework and i will gladly have a civilized conversation with you

You did it yourself. I did not want things to get like this but you kept pressing. I told you before that I was just giving my opinion based on my knowledge of electronics as well as feasability but did you not start being an arse? I have never stated anywhere that I intend to disprove anybody as I think people should have their own ideas. Did you not create a post calling me a penis without stating why or for what reason? Nobody else in here seemed to have a problem but you got nasty so you got what you deserved. So why did you lie about being a psychologist?

I can't understand what you are saying in your paragraph. It looks like some sort of crazy quantum psychology speak to me.

I now hope this is the end of it and bid you good day.

[on the road]

People are on their way to your place, (they know all your moves)
billing you for 50,000 dollars. THANK YOU SIR, this is a business, glad you like our product.

sound,you can die.

happy days

[killmicrosoft]

marpat


WHATEVER you say

[deca]

Microchip Mind Control,
Implants And Cybernetics
http://www.rense.com/general17/imp.htm
Actual 1974 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Jose Delgado -

"We need a program of PSYCHOSURGERY for POLITICAL CONTROL of our society. The purpose is PHISICAL CONTROL OF THE MIND. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be SURGICALLY MUTILATED.

"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective.

"Man does NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must ELECTRICALLY CONTROL THE BRAIN. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado Director of Neuropsychiatry Yale University Medical School Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118 February 24, 1974

(Author of "PHYSICAL CONTROL OF THE MIND" 1969)


The following article was originally published in the 36th-year edition of the Finnish-language journal, SPEKULA (3rd Quarter, 1999). SPEKULA is a publication of Northern Finland medical students and doctors of Oulu University OLK (OULUN LAAKETIETEELLINEN KILTA).


MICROCHIP IMPLANTS, MINDCONTROL AND CYBERNETICS

By Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, MD Former Chief Medical Officer of Finland

In 1948 Norbert Weiner published a book, CYBERNETICS, defined as a neurological communication and control theory already in use in small circles at that time. Yoneji Masuda, "Father of Information Society," stated his concern in 1980 that our liberty is threatened Orwellian-style by cybernetic technology totally unknown to most people. This technology links the brains of people via implanted microchips to satellites controlled by ground-based super-computers.

The first brain implants were surgically inserted in 1874 in the state of Ohio, U.S.A., and also in Stockholm, Sweden. Brain electrodes were inserted into the skulls of babies in 1946 without the knowledge of their parents. In the 50's and 60's, electrical implants were inserted into the brains of animals and humans, especially in the U.S., during research into behavior modification, and brain and body functioning. Mind control (MC) methods were used in attempt to change human behavior and attitudes. Influencing brain functions became an important goal of military and intelligence services.

Thirty years ago brain implants showed up in xrays the size of one centimeter. Subsequent implants shrunk to the size of a grain of rice. They were made of silicon, later still of gallium arsenide. Today they are small enough to be inserted into the neck or back, and also intraven-ously in different parts of the body during surgical operations, with or without the consent of the subject. It is now almost impossible to detect or remove them.

It is technically possible for every newborn to be injected with a micro-chip, which could then function to identify the person for the rest of his or her life. Such plans are secretly being discussed in the U.S. without any public airing of the privacy issues involved. In Sweden, Prime Minister Olof Palme gave permission in 1973 to implant prisoners, and Data Inspection's ex-Director General Jan Freese revealed that nursing-home patients were implanted in the mid- 1980's. The technology is revealed in the 1972:47 Swedish state report, STATENS OFFICIELLA UTRADNINGER (SOU).

Implanted human beings can be followed anywhere. Their brain functions can then be remotely monitored by supercomputers and even altered through the changing of frequencies. Guinea-pigs in secret experiments have in-cluded prisoners, soldiers, mental patients, handicapped children, deaf and blind people, homosexuals, single women, the elderly, school children and any group of people considered "marginal" by the elite experimenters. The published experiences of prisoners in Utah State Prison, for example, are shocking to the conscience.

Today's microchips operate by means of low-frequency radio waves that target them. With the help of satellites, the implanted person can be tracked anywhere on the globe. Such a technique was among a number tested in the Iraq war, according to Dr. Carl Sanders, who invented the intell-igence-manned interface (IMI) biotic, which is injected into people. (Earlier during the Vietnam War, soldiers were injected with the Rambo chip, designed to increase adrenaline flow into the bloodstream.) The U.S. National Security Agency's (NSA) 20 billion bits/second supercomputers could now "see and hear" what soldiers experience in the battlefield with a remote monitoring system (RMS).

When a 5-micromillimeter microchip (the diameter of a strand of hair is 50 micromillometers) is placed into optical nerve of the eye, it draws neuroimpulses from the brain that embody the experiences, smells, sights and voice of the implanted person. Once transferred and stored in a computer, these neuroimpulses can be projected back to the person's brain via the microchip to be re-experienced. Using a RMS, a land-based computer operator can send electromagnetic messages (encoded as signals) to the nervous system, affecting the target's performance. With RMS, healthy persons can be induced to see hallucinations and to hear voices in their heads.

Every thought, reaction, hearing and visual observation causes a certain neurological potential, spikes, and patterns in the brain and its elect- romagnetic fields, which can now be decoded into thoughts, pictures and voices. Electromagnetic stimulation can therefore change a person's brainwaves and affect muscular activity, causing painful muscular cramps experienced as torture.

The NSA's electronic surveillance system can simultaneously follow and handle millions of people. Each of us has a unique bioelectrical reson- ance frequency in the brain, just like we have unique fingerprints. With electro-magnetic frequency (EMF) brain stimulation fully coded, pulsating electromagnetic signals can be sent to the brain, causing the desired voice and visual effects to be experienced by the target. This is a form of electronic warfare. U.S. astronauts were implanted before they were sent into space so their thoughts could be followed and all their emotions could be registered 24 hours a day.

The Washington Post reported in in May 1995 that Prince William of Great Britain was implanted at the age of 12. Thus, if he were ever kidnapped, a radiowave with a specific frequency could be targeted to his microchip. The chips signal would be routed through a satellite to the computer screen of police headquarters, where the Princes movements could be followed. He could actually be located anywhere on the globe.

The mass media have not reported that an implanted person's privacy van- ishes for the rest of his or her life. S/he can be manipulated in many ways. Using different frequencies, the secret controller of this equip- ment can even change a person's emotional life. S/he can be made aggress- ive or lethargic. Sexuality can be artificially influenced. Thought sig-nals and subconscious thinking can be read, dreams affected and even induced, all without the knowledge or consent of the implanted person.

A perfect cyber-soldier can thus be created. This secret technology has been used by military forces in certain NATO countries since the 1980's without civilian and academic populations having heard anything about it. Thus, little information about such invasive mind-control systems is available in professional and academic journals.

The NSA's Signals Intelligence can remotely monitor information from human brains by decoding the evoked potentials (3.50HZ, 5 milliwatt) emitted by the brain. Prisoner experimentees in both Gothenburg, Sweden and Vienna, Austria have been found to have [missing word] brain lesions. Diminished blood circulation and lack of oxygen in the right temporal frontal lobes result where brain implants are usually operative. A Finnish experimentee experienced brain atrophy and intermittent attacks of unconsciousness due to lack of oxygen.

Mind control techniques can be used for political purposes. The goal of mind controllers today is to induce the targeted persons or groups to act against his or her own convictions and best interests. Zombified individ-uals can even be programmed to murder and remember nothing of their crime afterward. Alarming examples of this phenomenon can be found in the U.S.

This silent war is being conducted against unknowing civilians and sold-iers by military and intelligence agencies. Since 1980 electronic stim- ulation of the brain (ESB) has been secretly used to control people tar-geted without their knowledge or consent. All international human rights agreements forbid nonconsensual manipulation of human beings even in pri-sons, not to speak of civilian populations. Under an initiative of U.S. Senator John Glenn, discussions commenced in January 1997 about the dan-gers of radiating civilian populations. Targeting peoples brain functions with electromagnetic fields and beams (from helicopters and airplanes, satellites, from parked white vans, neighboring houses, telephone poles, electrical appliances, mobil phones, TV, radio, etc.), is part of the radiation problem that should be addressed in democratically elected government bodies.

In addition to electronic MC, chemical methods have also been developed. Mind-altering drugs and different smelling gasses affecting brain function negatively can be injected into air ducts or water pipes. Also, bacteria and viruses have been tested this way in several countries.

Today's supertechnology, connecting our brain functions via microchips (or even without them, according to the latest technology) to computers via satellites in the U.S. or Israel, poses the gravest threat to human-ity. The latest supercomputers are powerful enough to monitor the whole worlds population. What will happen when people are tempted by false premises to allow microchips into their bodies? One lure will be a micro-chip identity card. Compulsory legislation has even been secretly pro-posed in the U.S. to criminalize removal of an ID implant.

Are we ready for the robotization of mankind and the total elimination of privacy, including freedom of thought? How many of us would want to cede our entire life, including our most secret thoughts, to Big Brother? Yet the technology exists to create a totalitarian "New World Order." Covert neurological communication systems are in place to counteract independent thinking and to control social and political activity on behalf of self-serving private and military interests.

When our brain functions are already is connected to supercomputers by means of radio implants and microchips, it will be too late for protest. This threat can be defeated only by educating the public, using available literature on biotelemetry and information exchanged at international congresses.

One reason this technology has remained a state secret is the widespread prestige of the psychiatric DIAGNOSTIC STATISTICAL MANUAL IV produced by the U.S. American Psychiatric Association (APA), and printed in 18 lan-guages. Psychiatrists working for U.S. intelligence agencies no doubt participated in writing and revising this manual. This psychiatric "bible" covers up the secret development of MC technologies by labelling some of their effects as symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.

Victims of mind control experimentation are thus routinely diagnosed, knee-jerk fashion, as mentally ill by doctors who learned the DSM symptom list in medical school. Physicians have not been schooled that patients may be telling the truth when they report being targeted against their will or being used as guinea pigs for electronic, chemical and bacteriological forms of psychological warfare.

Time is running out for changing the direction of military medicine, and ensuring the future of human freedom. -- Rauni Kilde, MD December 6, 2000 ___


MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL: MODERN TORTURE AND CONTROL MECHANISMS ELIMINATING HUMAN RIGHTS AND PRIVACY

By Dr. Rauni Leena Kilde, MD
September 25, 1999

Helsingin Sanomat, the largest newspaper in Scandinavia, wrote in the September 9, 1999 issue that Scientific American magazine estimates that after the Millenium perhaps ALL people will be implanted with a "DNA microchip".

How many people realize what it actually means? Total loss of privacy and total outside control of the person's physical body functions, men-tal, emotional and thought processes, including the implanted person's subconscious and dreams! For the rest of his life!

It sounds like science fiction but it is secret military and intelligence agencies' mind control technology, which has been experimented with for almost half a century. Totally without the knowledge of the general public and even the general academic population.

Supercomputers in Maryland, Israel and elsewhere with a speed of over 20 BILLION bits/sec can monitor millions of people simultaneously. In fact, the whole world population can be totally controlled by these secret brain-computer interactions, however unbelievable it sounds for the uninformed.

Human thought has a speed of 5,000 bits/sec and everyone understands that our brain cannot compete with supercomputers acting via satellites, implants, local facilities, scalar or other forms of biotelemetry.

Each brain has a unique set of bioelectric resonance/entrainment characteristics. Remote neural monitoring systems with supercomputers can send messages through an implanted person's nervous system and affect their performance in any way desired. They can of course be tracked and identified anywhere.

Neuro-electromagnetic involuntary human experimentation has been going on with the so-called "vulnerable population" for about 50 years, in the name of "science" or "national security" in the worst Nazi-type testing, contrary to all human rights. Physical and psychological torture of mind control victims today is like the worst horror movies. Only, unlike the horror movies, it is true.

It happens today in the USA, Japan, and Europe. With few exceptions, the mass media suppresses all information about the entire topic.

Mind control technology in the USA is classified under "non-lethal" weaponry. The name is totally misleading because the technology used IS lethal, but death comes slowly in the form of "normal" illnesses, like cancer, leukemia, heart attacks, Alzheimer's disease with loss of short term memory first. No wonder these illnesses have increased all over the world.

When the use of electromagnetic fields, extra-low (ELF) and ultra-low (ULF) frequencies and microwaves aimed deliberately at certain individ-uals, groups, and even the general population to cause diseases, disori-entation, chaos and physical and emotional pain breaks into the awareness of the general population, a public outcry is inevitable.

[Eleanor White comment: ELF/ULF frequencies on their own cannot be focussed and are practically impossible to transmit in the usual manner of radio transmissions. ELF/ULF cannot carry voice.

ELF/ULF CAN be carried on radio and ultrasound carrier signals, however, and are effective in things like setting up a target to be more receptive to hypnosis, force a target to be unable to sleep, and force a target to fall asleep daytime. This is like the reverse process of reading the brain's natural ELF/ULF electrical activity using biofeedback.]

Who is behind a sinister plan to microchip and control and torture the general population?

[Eleanor White's comment: Reports from persons targetted by neuro- electromagnetic experimentation show that not everyone is implanted. The fact that those few victims who have had implants removed cannot get custody of the implants means someone has a keen interest in controlling the use of covert implants and preventing the publication of this practice.]

The Patent Office of the U.S.A. has granted patents for purposes of mental monitoring and mind alteration.

Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brainwaves, methods for inducing mental, emotional and physical states of conscious- ness, in human beings. Method of and apparatus for desired states of consciousness are among some of them.

People who have been implanted, involuntarily or through deception vol- untarily have become bilogical robots and guinea pigs for this activity under the guise of national security.

The real consequences of microchip implantation (or with today's advanced hidden technology, using only microwave radiation for mind control,) are totally hidden from the public. How many know the real dangers of mic- rowaves through mobile phones?

How many believe the disinformation that microwave radiation is not causing health problems? The economic issues in the mobile phone industry are enormous. Therefore health issues are deliberately brushed aside.

However, the same thing is inevitable in the future as with the tobacco industry. When economic compensation for health damages becomes big enough, as in the tobacco industry, health hazards will be admitted and users are then responsible for their tobacco-related illnesses.

Today, already about 50% of Finns, Swedes and Norwegians use mobile phones, especially the young population.

Mobile phones used in mind control was a brilliant idea. Military and police agencies can follow every user, influence their thoughts through microwaves, cause healthy people to hear voices in their heads and if needed burn their brains in a second by increasing the current 20,000 times.

That probably happened to Chechnyan leader General Dudayev who died talking to a mobile phone.

Heating effect of tissues with the speed of light is a known effect of high power microwave and electromagnetic pulse weapons.

According to Navy studies they also cause fatigue states, depression, insomnia, aggressiveness, long and especially short term memory loss, short catatonic states, cataracts, leukemia, cancer, heart attacks, brain tumors and so forth.

Alteration of behavior and attitudes hs been demonstrated as well.

Dr. Ross Adey has found out that by using 0.75 milliwatts per square centimeter intensity of pulse modulated microwave at a frequency of 450 MHz it is possible to control ALL aspects of human behaviour!

Microwave radiation excites the hydrogen bond in the cells and can interfere with meiosis, which leads to tumors.

All our emotions, moods, and thoughts have a specific brain frequency which has been catalogued. If these records fall into the wrong hands, our behaviour and attitudes can be manipulated by persons whose ethics and morals are not in our best interest.

Both military and intelligence agencies have been infiltrated with such persons. The Director of the Swiss Secret Service had to resign in September 1999 because of his agency's involvement in illegal arms deals and a plan to create an ORGANIZATION within the legal Secret Service.

This globally infiltrated organization has "octopus type" activities in all major intelligence services in the world, working together with the Mafia and terrorists. It has recruited people from all important government institutions, state and local administrations.

It owns Star Wars technology which is used against military and civilian populations, claiming it is "non-lethal" weaponry.

"Down and out" people, jobless, freed prisoners, mental outpatients, students and orphans are trained by this organization to harass, follow, and torture innocent people, who for whatever reason have been put on the organization's hit list. They are ALREADY in every apartment block!

[Eleanor White comment: This gang-like colour-coding is not reported in all areas. Dr. Kilde's experience is with northern Europe.]

Deception is the name of the game, so recruits are told untrue sinister stories of their victims to keep them motivated. They have a military order and get rewarded for their evil actions, which include Satanism, and symbols and yellow-orange-black colors. However, fresh recruits must wear pink - and the highest elite wears yellow ties with dark suits.

Even dashes of yellow or orange in their ties may signal their recruitment as well as yellow shirts or other objects with that color for signalling.

Too many world leaders fit into this signalling. However, it is quite possible they are only used as fronts for this global organization without any knowledge of it's criminal activity in the field against innocent people. Mass media and big industry are also infiltrated.

Who are the targets? Experimentation with soldiers and prisoners may continue, as well as handicapped children, mental patients, homosexuals and single women. They are still experimental guinea pigs for electronic and chemical warfare. But today ANYONE can become a target, even those who invented the system.

Researchers who find out about this secret radiation of the population become targets themselves.

The U.S. Senate discussed the issue on January 22, 1997. The U.S. Air Force's "Commando Solo" aircraft have been used to send subliminal radio frequency messages to manipulate even the minds of foreign nations in their elections. Haiti and Bosnia are a couple of recent examples.

In July 1994 the U.S. Department of Defense proposed the use of "non-lethal" weapons against anyone engaged in activities the DoD opposes. Thus opposing political views, economic competitors, counterculture individuals and so forth can be beamed to sickness or death.

The Psychiatric Diagnostic Statistical Manual (DSM) for mental disorders has been a brilliant cover up operation in 18 languages to hide the atrocities of military and intelligence agencies' actions towards their targets. THE MANUAL LISTS ALL MIND CONTROL ACTIONS AS SIGNS OF PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIA.

If a target is under surveillance with modern technology via TV, radio, telephone, loudspeakers, lasers, microwaves, poisoned with mind altering drugs via airducts, giving familiar smells which cause headache, nausea and so forth, if he claims his clothes are poisoned, his food or tap water as well --- all medical schools teach their students that the person is paranoid, ESPECIALLY if he believes intelligence agencies are behind it all.

Never is the medical profession told that these are routine actions all over the world by intelligence agencies against their targets. Thus, victims of mind control are falsely considered mentally ill and get no help since they are not believed and their suffering is doubled by ignorant health professionals.

The unethical abuses of power by individuals in charge of biomedical telemetry are incomprehensible to normal people.

The goal of mind control is to program an individual to carry out any mission of espionage or assassination even against their will and self- preservation instict and to control the absolute behavior and thought patterns of the individual. The purpose of mind control is to disrupt memory, discredit people through aberrant behavior, to make them insane or to commit suicide or murder.

How is it possible that this technology is not stopped by political top authorities? They themselves will also be targets someday, a fact they have not always realized. How much are they involved?

This year the 1999 European Parliament in "Resolution on Environment, Security, and Forein Policy", in paragraphs 23, 24, and 27 calls for "non-lethal" weapons technology and development of new arms strategies to be covered and regulated by international conventions.

Also, it calls for an international convention introducing a GLOBAL BAN on all developments and deployments of weapons which might enable ANY FORM OF MANIPULATION OF HUMAN BEINGS.

Project HAARP in Alaska is a global concern, and calls for it's legal, ecological, and ethical implications to be examined by an international independent body before any further research and testing.

It is possible that the USA will ignore those resolutions. The dangers of non-lethal mind control weapons were already revealed in an expert meeting of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva, in July 1994.

Only increased public awareness of the microchip implants, their frightful consequences to privacy by influencing of individuals' thoughts and actions, causing people to become biological robots with physical and emotional pain whenever the supercomputer technician so wishes, is enough reason to refuse to take the chip into your body for whatever reason.

It is the biggest threat to humanity and the most sinister plan to enslave the human race forever.

If you have a choice and want to remain a normal human being with privacy, do not have your children nor yourself implanted with a DNA microchip. Otherwise your vision, hearing, sensing, thoughts, dreams and subconscious will be influenced by an outsider, who does not have your best interests in mind.

MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL WITH "NON-LETHAL" WEAPONS IS THE BIGGEST CRIME IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND AGAINST THE POPULATION OF PLANET EARTH. IT MUST BE STOPPED BY ALL PEOPLES OF THIS GLOBE.

Recommended reading: Mind Controllers, Dr. Armen Victorian, 1999, UK Mind Control, World Control, Jim Keith, 1997, USA Microwave Mind Control, Tim Rifat, The Truth Campaign, winter 1998, UK

[deca]

Brain implant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_implant#Historical_research_on_brain_implant s
In 1870, Eduard Hitzig and Gustav Fritsch demonstrated that electrical stimulation of certain areas of the brains of dogs could produce movements. Robert Bartholow showed the same to be true for humans in 1874. By the start of the 20th century Fedor Krause began to systematically map human brain areas, using patients that had undergone brain surgery.

Prominent research was conducted in the 1950s. Robert G. Heath experimented with aggressive mental patients, aiming to influence his subjects' moods through electrical stimulation.

Yale University physiologist Jose Delgado demonstrated limited control of animal and human subjects' behaviours using electronic stimulation. He invented the stimoceiver or transdermal stimulator a device implanted in the brain to transmit electrical impulses that modify basic behaviours such as aggression or sensations of pleasure.

Delgado was later to write a popular book on mind control, called "Physical Control of the Mind", where he stated: "the feasibility of remote control of activities in several species of animals has been demonstrated [...] The ultimate objective of this research is to provide an understanding of the mechanisms involved in the directional control of animals and to provide practical systems suitable for human application."

In the 1950s, the CIA also funded research into mind control techniques, through programs such as MKULTRA. Perhaps because he received funding for some research through the US Office of Naval Research, it has been suggested (but not proven) that Delgado also received backing through the CIA. He denied this claim in a 2005 article in Scientific American.

[deca]

Brain Implant Victims
http://mcrais.googlepages.com/implants.htm

this site has pictures of X rays of brain implants ok

[deca]

Pentagon to implant microchips in soldiers' brains
http://pressesc.com/news/80530072007/pentagon-implant-microchips-soldiers-brains
Submitted by Adam Thomas on Mon, 2007-07-30 19:49.
The Department of Defense is planning to implant microchips in soldiers' brains for monitoring their health information, and has already awarded a $1.6 million contract to the Center for Bioelectronics, Biosensors and Biochips (C3B) at Clemson University for the development of an implantable "biochip".

Soldiers fear that the biochip, about the size of a grain of rice, which measures and relays information on soldiers vital signs 24 hours a day, can be used to put them under surveillance even when they are off duty.

But Anthony Guiseppi-Elie, C3B director and Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering and Bioengineering claims the that the invivo biosensors will save lives as first responders to the trauma scene could inject the biochip into the wounded victim and gather data almost immediately.

He believes that the device has other long-term potential applications, such as monitoring astronauts’ vital signs during long-duration space flights and reading blood-sugar levels for diabetics.

“We now lose a large percentage of patients to bleeding, and getting vital information such as how much oxygen is in the tissue back to ER physicians and medical personnel can often mean the difference between life and death,” said Guiseppi-Elie. “Our goal is to improve the quality and expediency of care for fallen soldiers and civilian trauma victims.” The biochip also may be injected as a precaution to future traumas."

Clemson scientists have formulated a gel that mimics human tissue and reduces the chances of the body rejecting the biochip, which has been a problem in the past.

The researcher predicts the biochip is five years away from human trials, and the DoD could start implanting microchips in soldiers bodies soon after.

[celtic isis]

Microchip Mind Control,
Implants And Cybernetics
http://www.rense.com/general17/imp.htm

thanks for posting that deca, blimey it'll be scary when this comes in won't it.

we were talking about it recently, they'll probably make it compulsory if visiting the USA to have a chip implanted with all your "identity papers" etc for security of course. :rolleyes:

or even just for air travel in general, no chip, take the ship lol

and people will mull over it and be anxious at first, but then after the government and media do their 'oh but it's so much more convenient to have the chip rather than carry all those nasty passports etc' propaganda, people will go for it.

:eek:

[celtic isis]

Do you guys ever wonder if you're chipped already? Cellphones, tvs, computers, cars, appliances, pdas...do we use anything that doesn't have a chip? Do they even need to put a chip in your body when you're surrounded by them all the time? Just typing out loud...and trying to stay awake at work :p

i was thinking this the other day! you're right rynath :)

duh cellphones mobiles they track us with them anyway, that's why eveyone on the planet has one.

they're welcome to track me if they want i couldn't care less, vodafone sure does a good job, i barely have set foot on irish soil and they've already beeped me to top up my credit and have a pleasant stay...those feckers!

[sac123abc]

sorry to tell you but you already have the chip inside of you :o

[deca]

thanks for posting that deca, blimey it'll be scary when this comes in won't it.

Yep , as you can see there is nothing new about brain chips or implants,But maybe people will be more acepting it....mobile phone,computer wired into your head...don`t laugh the uk MOD think tank thinks we will all have brain chips by the year 2030 and have comuications and media beamed directly into our heads by then.As for as I know they don`t need brain chips to interface with the brain, check out resent devolopment usging MRI,EGG,MEG scanners they are getting better smaller and less invasive all the time.
plus theres pulsed microwaves can cause (microwave hearing,v2k,RF hearing,fray effect) all the same thing, speach,audio to your brain by passing your ears.

also check this thread about thought control for gamers
OH NO! Brain control headset for gamers!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20289

You can download the think tank doc (pdf) from here
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles.html
UK DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE DOCUMENT
Titled - DCDC Global Strategic Trends Programme 2007-2036
(DCDC) stands for Development, Concepts and Doctrine Centre
This is the DOD Document Alan has spoken about many times in his blurbs and as a guest host. Also, linked below, is the original blurb where Alan does an in-depth talk on pertinent portions of the text.

[deca]

Page 88
Technology and Fighting Power. Successful exploitation of new technology, such
as Directed Energy Weapons will depend on the users’ understanding of both the
advantages and the limitations to its application across physical, conceptual and
moral components of fighting power. Those who fail to do so are likely to risk
defeat by those who achieve a better component mix, by those who target
components to which technological advantage does not apply, or by those who
employ technologies such as Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) to neutralize a more
sophisticated adversary’s capability. Small incremental changes in technology are
also likely to lead to disproportionally large increases in warfighting capability and
effectiveness. This is likely to lead to the reduction of transitional
concept-to-capability timescales and increase the scope for technology leakage
and more discriminating use of Off-The-Shelf (OTS) applications, especially in the
areas of nano- and bio- technology.
• Cheaper, more Lethal Weapons. Future technological development and a
highly-competitive arms market are likely to result in weapons that are more
cheap, portable, destructive, widely available and easier to use. Their mass use is
likely to have a particularly unsettling effect in poorer, unstable regions where the
expense of more capable military equipment might previously have been
prohibitive. It will also allow less developed states and non-state actors to close
the technology gap with traditionally superior adversaries.

page 94

Social
New Humans
The application of advanced genetics could challenge current assumptions about human
nature and existence. Initially employed for medical purposes, breakthroughs in these
areas could be put to ethically questionable uses, such as the super-enhancement of
human attributes, including physical strength and sensory perception. Extreme variation
in attributes could arise between individuals, or where enhancement becomes a matter of
fashion, between societies, creating additional reasons for conflict.

page 97
Broadcasts to the Brain
By 2035, an implantable information chip could be developed and wired directly to the
user’s brain. Information and entertainment choices would be accessible through
cognition and might include synthetic sensory perception beamed direct to the user’s
senses. Wider related ICT developments might include the invention of synthetic
telepathy, including mind-to-mind or telepathic dialogue. This type of development would
have obvious military and security, as well as control, legal and ethical, implications.

hmmm I guess this technology is just going to appear like magic in 2035!!!

[pennycat]

I think the point is that we have been warned not to take the chip because if enough people refuse it, it will never come to starvation or concentration camps if the majority refuses. ;)

[simmm]

I will die rather than take the chip.

[shea]

Lol This is the shit i dont want to be dealing with !
I want to be thinking about girls Not fucking micropchips in my brain haha

Yeah all i can say, If the worst comes to worst.. Il probably turn into a freedom fighter.. try to get as many people who can join me... and fight it til the end..

I sound like some 7 year old having an action man dream, but thats what ill do. live underground probably.

[uloodara]

Lol This is the shit i dont want to be dealing with !
I want to be thinking about girls Not fucking micropchips in my brain haha

Yeah all i can say, If the worst comes to worst.. Il probably turn into a freedom fighter.. try to get as many people who can join me... and fight it til the end..

I sound like some 7 year old having an action man dream, but thats what ill do. live underground probably.

LOL count me in...

I aint gona let them mess with my brain...lol Id rather be on the run and start another society :mad:

[michael_6]

The last time i checked it said in the bible that those who refuse the chip will die, so i guess death it is, now i'm not a religious man, but i find the parallels compelling stuff none the less.

[cheeney1]

How Can You say You will Face Death, and Die when you people have Most likey Never Faced IT....Some people REALLY FUCKING MAKE ME WONDER AT TIMES.......:confused:

[umbrex]

LOL!!!

97% is willing to take the bullet over the chip.. even given the forum, 50% would be a high figure if it ever came to that..

but in reality, this is a reflection of oppinion, not what it would actually come to, should the situation manifest itself. there's a big difference starring a gun in the barrel and sitting in the cozy comfort of your chair.

[steevo]

LOL!!!

97% is willing to take the bullet over the chip.. even given the forum, 50% would be a high figure if it ever came to that..

but in reality, this is a reflection of oppinion, not what it would actually come to, should the situation manifest itself. there's a big difference starring a gun in the barrel and sitting in the cozy comfort of your chair.

Umbrex, the question IN THE POLL is "will you take the chip ?".

As it happened I answered "no" but that doesnt mean that I intend to take any bullet because of this, does it ? I doubt that many people in the population will accept the chip cos we and others are spreading info about it and people are becoming aware. I am not saying that the people have actually "woken up" yet but the idea of being injected with it is not a pleasant one in anyone's book when they are actually faced with the reality of it, and that is why they are targeting the kids. Most adults wont accept it cos I have spoken to quite a few who are actually FOR the chip :confused: and when I tell them that it is available RIGHT NOW for free and that I can probably arrange it for them, they "ummm 'n' ahhh".

[umbrex]

As it happened I answered "no" but that doesnt mean that I intend to take any bullet because of this, does it ? I doubt that many people in the population will accept the chip cos we and others are spreading info about it and people are becoming aware. I am not saying that the people have actually "woken up" yet but the idea of being injected with it is not a pleasant one in anyone's book when they are actually faced with the reality of it, and that is why they are targeting the kids. Most adults wont accept it cos I have spoken to quite a few who are actually FOR the chip :confused: and when I tell them that it is available RIGHT NOW for free and that I can probably arrange it for them, they "ummm 'n' ahhh".

preaching to the mosk ahmed..

Umbrex, the question IN THE POLL is "will you take the chip ?".

oh right, lets forget all about the name of the thread:

Will You Take The Chip Or Die?

and lets let this little condition slide also:

or will you refuse the chip and face being taken off to concentration camps to be slaughtered ...along with your family?

lets take the context, throw it away and make a point about a choice alone, not its conditions. i mean really, it's not even like arguing semantics.

are u blind, or just trolling ?

PS: oh yeah, would u take the bullet - or the chip (i feel that u need a 2nd chance of answering the real question) ?
PPS: yeah, i would take the chip over my life, should it ever come to that. just because the pricks know where ya are, doesn't mean u can't stir up some shit. should i ever be incarcerated for life, then ill start thinking about the best way to kill myself, without actually doing it myself.

[magnus]

We have to learn to use the brain and the body the way we are meant to...like moving things with the the energi of thinking.....taking the astral body "out for a ride" when we want to....learning about the energi around us......get to know all the "mystic" stuff that is hidden from us by the ones who is controlling us...reading minds....etc...etc.....as long as we are trapped in this way of thinking we will always be manipulated by the ones who control us.... :):):):)

[jjuelz]

How do u know if u have allready been microchipped?

I wonder if i have been microchipped. I have a big scar from a vaccine i got as a baby.

Does anyone else have a scare from a vacinne?

The microchip could already be in use and put in our vaccines.

Did babies get chipped in the former soviet union?

Just a thought.

[wolfchild]

nice one mate! i have been recently thinking about that! yeah we could all have been mircochipped already!

[astra]

Microchipping Children,Cutting Edge 10-april Channel four 9pm

[singlespirit_1]

Look at it possitively, they might even give you a cellphone if you buy a chip....:D
Seriously, I don't see how it can
be stopped. Wish there was a way.

Personally, I am not going to be chipped. If the powers that be decide to kill me then its not suicide. I have free will and we each must make our own choice.
I just wonder how our creator would look upon those of us who are or will be chipped without our knowing? Any thoughts??????????????:confused::confused::confuse d::confused:

[awakensong]

LOL, chand....:)...

jusy a question of time , it will be required from birth.
I've wondered for a while how long they may have already been implanting chips into newborns, without anyone knowing it. Also into people during surgery or whatever. At some point, everyone would be chipped, even though it may take a whole generation, and maybe there is already a whole generation that way. No one would have resisted or objected because they would not have been informed.

[luten2012]

I think about this all the time. My friend and I kind of have a pact going - we are both going to refuse the chip and we'll stick together to the very end. Since 2006 we have been on one hell of a journey together and neither one of us want to surrender. It is hard because my family aren't exaclty awake to all this, and obviously I love them very much. I've tried explaining the situation we are currently in to them; on the verge of a global dictatorship but they cannot grasp it and they think I'm being eccentric. So I think they'll quite happily get chipped and won't be able to understand why I'm refussing - and perhaps that's when I'll be whisked away to one of those camps :(

However, my friend and I were thinking about possible scenerios. Perhaps living in the wild LOL :D There's acres of wooded land near my home town so why not return to the days when we lived in a simple way? Hunting our own food, and building our own simple shelter? - They can't possibly cover all the land on Earth, can they??...Maybe just wishful thinking...I like to remain as opptimistic as possible, until I can refuse no longer.

Perhaps it won't go that far - Has anyone taken into account the 2012 prophecies? Apparantly it is the year 2012 that they want us chipped so perhaps if we can hold out for just a little while and go into hiding..all these Earth changes and cataclysms we take care of this for us!

My friend and I are going to be camping on one of the vortex points in the month of December 2012 when all this stuff is supposed to be going down..most probably Glastonbury Tor in Somerset or the Brecon Beacon mountains in Wales or somewhere similar...If nothing happens then it will be a fun camping trip...but if something does happen then allegedly we'll be in one of the best places..and certainly not alone! :cool:

[kblood]

Taking the chip is not exactly dying. Still it will probably change your perception of life alot.

Or so I have been told :)

[beldazar]

you mean change it back to the way it was cos its changed right round for me at this point :)

[pduffy4]

I won't take the chip. If they kill me then fuck them. I have no children and fuck all to loose but my heart beat.

Peter

[cafe beelzebub]

Will You Take The Chip Or Die?

That's a choice between heaven or hell...

stay in the physical world and experience hell, or go through the illusion of death and go back to your true from, mines the latter

"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.." - Bill Hicks

[beldazar]

thanks cafe beelzebub, I need to be reminded of that sometimes :)

[kblood]

Yea, trust the devil on that :D:p

[kingmonkey]

I'll take the chip and then try and figure out how to get the f&*ker back out, even if I have to do it myself with a knife and fork.

I'd rather die trying to blow the fuckers up or somethin' than get killed straight off for refusing the chip.

[dmessick]

Well, chipping is obviously a bad idea but if for some reason 'they' hold me down and stick it in me I'll just run a magnet over it to short it out. It's not hard to beat these clowns and their agenda.

[psychick]

FUCKING-A !

let the pussies take the chips...
ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !

I'm fully prepared right now for someone to put a gun to my head. "Chip or no chip"....."PULL THE TRIGGER, BITCH"

[psychick]

yes yes yes
(and no, i'm not having an orgasm)

finally some sense. I've been on this forum one day and l just see negativity too. Keep the faith, it's a collective world not a dog eat dog environment. (no pun intended)

Well I do get rude occasionally. You will often find that it is a response to what people have posted to me though. I get a bit tired of people moralising at me, trying to tell me I need to wake up just because I have my own ideas, or just being nasty because of my job.

I don't care where you run, I am not looking for people to follow me. To be honest I am getting tired of this forum. It is so negative. People are always looking at doomsday but never at what to do about it, or what happens if things turn out good.

I believe that the real battle for control of the human mind will be won within the hearts of every person. I think that only by people collectively developing an overwhelming positive drive that the true inner battle will be won. To many people are scared and cut off from the inner links for this to be decisive.

[hagbard_celine]

The poll seems to be closed, but I'd have voted no.

If you take the chip then you're as good as dead anyway. If you have no mind of your own then how can you say you're alive?

[popeye11]

No. I would not take the chip under any circumstances knowingly, but there may be many ways to get that tiny thing in anyway.:eek:

[kblood]

I dont mind electrocution and stuff like that anyway. Problem is how or why they would even have to chip us?

If they had some proper technology the DNA archieve would work just fine and is very capable of tracking us, and could probably also make a DNA telepathy phone :eek::o

[montag]

If you carry a phone, use a computer, drive a car, carry a credit card, passport or anything like that then you're already chipped, they don't need to implant it. As far as mind control goes then 99% of us are already there, the technology is in place already without chipping us and it's working quite well thank you..:D

[beldazar]

yeah you are right montag. I was pretty mad that I was forced to get a card to get my money out, I always went to the bank counter for that, its also harder to get out money that way.
I make a point every time I go to the bank to comment on the fact they tell me its so much quicker! It certainly isnt! Having to put the card in and out then in adn out again to get a statement!
I leave the comment, "big brother has to know exactly what you are doing all the time".

[ak87]

wen it comes to it, we'll find a way!

[truthseeker1980]

Well, chipping is obviously a bad idea but if for some reason 'they' hold me down and stick it in me I'll just run a magnet over it to short it out. It's not hard to beat these clowns and their agenda.

That wouldn't work, the company i work for have now made pacemekers with RFid chips and similar bluetooth chips in them. A magnet does nothing to them as they use a very powerful magnet just to position, reset or find where they implanted under the skin.

So i'd imagine they would use the same technology with the compulsory micro-chip when it rolls out.

[ufo_swatter]

They'll just chip you and you'll never know, maybe they will force people to have a chip but it could just as well be a smokescreen for the real chips that are already in you. They can walk through walls, phase in and out, move around in an invisible state, they just come in your house while you sleep and put an organic mind control chip in you, obviously its probably easier if you walk to them for the jab, but I doubt they'll ever kill anyone who doesn't, they prefer to kill the compliant.

[bucktown777]

I know I'm getting in late on the topic, but I do have a few thoughts in reference to the subject matter.

First, I want to ask, 'What Chip?'. Are you referring to the 'Mark Of The Beast'? I'm not aware of any chip in existence correlated with 666. Has anyone here ever stopped to consider that the 'chip' is just propaganda to propel an idea that was created out of and in fear? I'm not so sure why a lot think that 'chipping' is such a bad or evil idea. If it's stemming from religious fears then one can rest assured that there is no verse pertaining to 'micro-chips'. Just think, when tatoos became popular, many speculated that was also going to be used as the 'Mark Of The Beast'.

People, we have to stop living under 'fear' and live with no doubt! The only things that can happen to us is what we create for ourselves, so if enough of our consciousness' fear that we are going to be 'chipped', well then, guess what, we will. We have the ability to create our very own reality. What do you think being created in the 'image' of the creator is all about? Certainly not physical appearance alone. We were created with 'thought', then 'word' and then the 'action' manifested in this 3d reality. Same way we create our very own present moments, we think, we speak and then our actions manifest what our original thoughts created. If you aren't living like this then perhaps you are definitely a sheeple. Don't give your minds away to non-sense and fairy tales. Think for yourselves, know yourselves and draw your own conclusions.

[charlsright]

surely if you say yeah id love to take the micro chip then they give you it then your off then you go home get a knife and cut it out then run away :D

[beldazar]

very good post there bucktown, you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT :D

[ninaandnally]

I would think that, generally speaking, most people see the fascist nature of this subject and know of the ties to Christian philosophy and to be quite honest, I think it will be a cold day in hell before this plan gets implemented to the fullest extent (i.e. compulsory on pain of death). Although martial law seems to be the rule these days it's not out and out martial law as it's being kept secret. Do we live in a police state? I'd say so, but would elected officials? When the ruling party starts openly aknowledging that we are under martial law, then I'd start to worry. I don't know...I mean I worry still, because I know you can't trust the bastards, but I'm not currently sweating the load because there still exists a nation full of gun-toting people who given the choice between possibly going to Hell and living with the mark of the beast or fighting...maybe that's precisely what it will take to get the cattle that are the American civilians to galvanize for independence once again. It's so sad that our nation founded upon the idea that independence and freedom are sanctified rights has turned into a prison for the mind.

[the itinerant shrubber]

I think those that refuse the chip at best will become vagrant - unable to work and function in society and at worst become outlaws. This is why self reliance is so important to those of us that will refuse it. We're going to need to know how to keep ourselves alive and evade the authorities.
Life is not going to be easy for refuseniks but its the choice we'll have to make - be warm,comfortable and enslaved or cold,hunted but free.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

"Give me liberty, or give me death!" ;-)

[theseeker]

I would have the chip myself, it will mean being outlawed in society and not being able to integrate. But have you guys thought of maybe forming an undeground community ect of people who didnt get chiped ect

[noobcybot]

Remember that one bit in '12 Monkeys'. Shudder.
There is no way they will get a chip inside me while I am conscious. There are myriad other things in life 10 times worse than standing up to some assholes wanting to put a chip in you.

[the seeker]

nice username, "theseeker"

[lightgiver]

I tell you what they can do with there chip,
stuff it up there NWO ass:mad:;):D

you can say NO ya KNOW,

Plastic and cash is just fine...........

stop listening to them..........

the bankers are GOING DOWN......................

and when i find rockerfella or rothchilds or any of them elitist scum,i will give em a good swift kick in the BOLLOCKS,

[noobcybot]

Thats the attitude Iam talking about right there. I mean, is anyone here really afraid of the NWO in a tangible way? They are just another bunch of hoods out to take what is yours, my heart isnt going to go pity pat for a bunch of cowards like them.
If had a child or a wife to think about perhaps I would think differantly. But thats just it, it will be my responsibility to deal with that sort of shit, not the wives and kinder and oaps.

[malkor]

The way I see it (and forgive me if this has been discussed here, I don't want to look through all the posts), there can be two ways of chip insertion. The easy way, through hypodermic needles (or oral form) with a chip hidden among contents disguised as something else, such as a flu shot or headache pill.

This kind of chip would have to operate on internal power and there is the possibility of your body's immune system rejecting it. So I doubt this will be a reliable method.

The second is surgical insertion. They'll split your skull open, wire a chip to your brain and have your body supply continuous power. This can also be disguised as something else. Perhaps as a device which you can use to plug your brain directly into a computer. The escapism factor of this alone will be enough to convince millions of next gens to line up for the op. A few years ago I couldn't wait to have one of these myself. Now they would have to do it at gun-point.

But these are secondary threats. I believe the biggest threat of control will come from chemical/biological forms. Imagine a disease that can kill you in 48 hours and only they can supply you with an inhibitor.

[psych641]

First, I want to ask, 'What Chip?'. Are you referring to the 'Mark Of The Beast'? I'm not aware of any chip in existence correlated with 666.


Theres the barcode connection. All barcodes apparently have three 6s in the exact same place - the first,middle & last numerals.

[psych641]

I'll take the chip and then try and figure out how to get the f&*ker back out, even if I have to do it myself with a knife and fork.


Next to your skull & cutlery avatar that is very funny! :D

[indigo28]

I'm just wondering; who are the Seraphim? Are they all here to cause harm? I mean besides the fact that they are a high class of angels, this is all I know. Is there more info?

[malkor]

I'm just wondering; who are the Seraphim? Are they all here to cause harm? I mean besides the fact that they are a high class of angels, this is all I know. Is there more info?

According to Isaiah, they are supposed to be the highest order of angels. Seemingly shy as well since they use 2 of their 6 wings to cover their faces and two to cover their feet.

In the Hebrew, "seraph" means "fiery flying serpent."

Who knows what exactly Isaiah saw or even if he saw anything at all or even if he existed, so I wouldn't place too much value in the old myths.

[sharpie]

:p

Do not take mark of the beast!

[sharpie]

Whatever

Is this a forum where it is essentially wrong to have your own ideas, or where to be different from the status quo means that you are just in denial of your impending doom? it certainly seems that way.

To me it looks like a lot of people are ruled by fear of the unknown future as until people start getting forcefulyy chipped it is just a theory. I prefer to remain open about my future and to not let such fears rules my life. The whole 'this is going to happen' thing smacks so much of the apocolyptic ideas that people had before 2000. So what, there is some technology that can be used to track people. It does not mean you will be forced to get an implant, neither has there been any official statement that the goverment intends all people to have an implant, it does not mean that it will ever be used for population control.

You can buy into all that if you want but I am quite confident that the suggestion that the entire population will be chipped is ludicrous. Lets face it there are millions of people in Britain alone who are not even worth tracking. You could track them going from their home, signing on, going to the pub for a bit, then going back home for their dinner before crashing out. Yup all that money and technology to watch something like that, or maybe granny Bloogs picking up her pension and nipping into the bookies for a flutter before going to the bingo.

Things can change over night !

[cujo131]

LOL, chand....:)...

just a question of time , it will be required from birth.

then ill have a midwife.

[awakensong]

How do we know it isn't already happening at birth, and maybe has been for a long time? Anyone who could think up such a despicable idea would not be the type to politely ask for permission.

[soopsje]

no

[daytimetwilight]

Look at it possitively, they might even give you a cellphone if you buy a chip....:D
Seriously, I don't see how it can
be stopped. Wish there was a way.


-Sounds like you've already given up.:(

[deafbred]

I don't think you will be forced to take a chip... rather...people will take it to gain certain advantages ...like to buy or sell...-all garage sales and selling your car on the side of the road etc would be illegal. so life would be hard if you don't take the chip... I don't think they will make you die if you don't...rather just let you go to fend for yourself and laugh as they imagine you would get caught up in an institution or prison of some kind. ...I think if they go to kill us...if it ever gets to that point......we would rise up and defeat them. If thats not the way it pans out...I'm sure I rather depart this earth than live amongst controlled enslaved people who declare their free will to be the property of someone else's decision making which we already spiritually do through via governments

you can even see the number of the people on the pole that wouldn't take the chip is 95 percent...so I think we got a fighting chance :D
174 to 9...thats...19 and 1/3 to every...1 chip degenerate...even disabled people can help us fight!! mentally or physically...we are winning on all fields.

[snowdon]

I'm quite prepared to tell them that they can shove the chip up their arse...

[energi]

What's the point if you'll have someone controlling you/watching you the rest of your life? Fuck that, I'll blow my brains out if SÄPO (swedish CIA, sort of) knocks on my door:p

[energi]

I don't think you will be forced to take a chip... rather...people will take it to gain certain advantages ...like to buy or sell...-all garage sales and selling your car on the side of the road etc would be illegal. so life would be hard if you don't take the chip... I don't think they will make you die if you don't...rather just let you go to fend for yourself and laugh as they imagine you would get caught up in an institution or prison of some kind. ...I think if they go to kill us...if it ever gets to that point......we would rise up and defeat them. If thats not the way it pans out...I'm sure I rather depart this earth than live amongst controlled enslaved people who declare their free will to be the property of someone else's decision making which we already spiritually do through via governments

you can even see the number of the people on the pole that wouldn't take the chip is 95 percent...so I think we got a fighting chance :D
174 to 9...thats...19 and 1/3 to every...1 chip degenerate...even disabled people can help us fight!! mentally or physically...we are winning on all fields.

Just look at the chipping nights in that club somewhere... Barcelona, was it? Taking advantage of drunk people to trick them, rude:mad::mad:

[deafbred]

Just look at the chipping nights in that club somewhere... Barcelona, was it? Taking advantage of drunk people to trick them, rude:mad::mad:

yeh...they did it here in the USA in Florida to, ...makes ya feel like your uncool if you don't get it. Separates more of us on even more lines, as if we don't have enough already. ...I don't go to night clubs or anything like that at all anymore...not that I did really in the past but I been to a few places...probably can count times visited on one hand or two. ...its better to stay sober for sure. Don't want to be waking up with no chip in my arm. heh...yeh...: | ..sad...

I am learning not to care for everyone now anymore because...it seems...some people were ...created...to be used...abused and abuse others and what not. So I kinda see it like for what it is and just say...what a shame...yes...but the shames on them and who ever effected these peoples lives while growing up for molding them to be trashy fools. First they get the tattoo's then the piercings..then a chip I guess. it's sad. makes me feel inferior just for being simple old me, but...I know better.

I use to think "weallbefree" but I guess for some...prison is all they ever believed in.

[655321]

They're gonna force everyone to get an ID card but the chip will be more convenient so people will take it voluntarily.

[legendary]

Hahaha yes, I've thought about that....I use so much technology that they know where I am 24/7...but I've also racked my brains to think about any noticeable lost time I have.

it is possible i could have been chipped last night :eek:
had some wierd dream, well i was awake but my eyes were unable to open(i don't know if people have experienced this before but i have on a few occasions when i wake up) and i heard my m8s mum come in and tell him he had to get up for work. next thing i remember i wake up n i got some little red mark maybe 2 or 3 millimetres long on my left wrist n it seemed very slightly swollen (literally millimetres) compared to my right 1 then on my right arm n shoulder i have 3 what appear to be mosquito bites (could be unrelated but i find it strange considering i was wearing a polo shirt while i was asleep and theyr pretty thick material and quite tight against the skin so i wouldnt have thought an insect would have been likely to have causd them but what i find even wierder is that i was woken up by my m8s mum lettin him know he had to get up for work in exactly same way as in the dream almost like deja-vu except my eyes were able to open that time

[655321]

Imagine you're in the future with your shiny ID card which includes your bank account. Everyone in front of you scans their chip to pay which takes less than a second while you have to fiddle with your ID and PIN number. Everyone in the back is giving you dirty looks because you are a luddite asshole who won't take a chip. It will happen!

Sooner or later you'll take the chip. Peer pressure is a bitch.

[lilavati]

are there any half wits that would take it
?
what profiteth a man if he looses his very soul.
as for the supermarket i get the looks anyway for being slow putting it in the bags:mad:

[lilavati]

maybe youre smoking too much legend

[legendary]

lol i don't particularly believe i received a microchip last night but it was a wierd dream in the way it was imitated by reality a few hours later in certain senses. i don't think cannabis affects my dreams

[daytimetwilight]

Im just curious ...one day the micro-chip will be compulsory, will you and your family take the chip and live happily ever after, or will you refuse the chip and face being taken off to concentration camps to be slaughtered ...along with your family?

This will be extra harder on those of you that have wives/ husbands/ kids!!!



I honestly don't know what I would do if it was against my will. I'm not having children though, that's for sure.

[burnzy]

No chip for me please. :)

If i had a family and children of my own at the time i'll take the chip and live to take care of my kids (even if it wont be possible with the chips in)

[piskavac]

I will take chip instead of death.

I would like to take Intel quad duo processor with 8Gb RAM, and any graffic card such as Radeon 9800. This is my hot desire. I want them in my brain directly. Not on right hand or on forehead. But on my brain directly!!!

It will be realy realy great progress for me, because, I have heavy damaged brain, and in the present days I am functioning with 486DX4-120 PC system with 16Mb RAM

O yeah!!! Intel quad duo will be quantum leap for me.

But I haven't got money. How I can get it? How can I go to the Verichip and get it into my head???

[themime]

Look at it possitively, they might even give you a cellphone if you buy a chip....:D
Seriously, I don't see how it can
be stopped. Wish there was a way.


Having the chip put into you is not accepting it.