The Meaning of Life

[aerosteelzero]

Hello friends,

I am new to this forum but have found myself at home with freethinkers. But enough about me. I would like to share my knowledge to everyone about what has come to me. What I present to you is the Truth in its highest form. Whether you can understand it or not, accept it or not, comprehend it at this current stage in you life or not, it is the Truth.

Now you say "what a bold claim this new poster had stated." How can he say this is complete truth? Well the problem is that I cannot tell you what to believe as truth as I believe it as truth. Once you understand the material I show for yourself, you will eventually realize the magnitude of the information.

So I think I will sum up the information as best I can, then direct the people that are interested to where you can learn as much as your hungry little mind can take.

Life is eternal. Our world or illusion as many of you call it is the body of God (The All, The Creator, whatever you call it, its the same thing). We are parts of God. Everything is life, God is life. Cells are to our body, as Humans are to Earth. Earth is a being, Alive. We are in a current disconnected state from Gods overwhelming Love. We suffer in the physical world in order to bring contrast to his all encompassing Love. This brings us to the meaning life, our life, physical life. We are here in order for God to re-experience himself. He always was, always is, and always will be. No beginning. No end. Nothing outside of God. He is ALL.

Ok thats the main premise of life and our spiritual journey. I summed it up and its pretty crude. I focused on the physical world, but the spiritual world is something pretty awesome too. Now I would love for all of you to open your mind and read the cosmic symbols on this website. This website will also tell you how this information came about, who brought it to us, and many other questions.

http://www.thirdtestament.com/web/content/view/40/73/

Please ask any questions, and discuss! I love to talk about this stuff and I have much knowledge on the Truth, so ask away! :D

-aerosteelzero

[kblood]

I agree except for the part about us disconnected from gods love, and the biblical description of god, since it is way of in both first and second edition of the bible as I see it. Too much that just doesnt add up in them, and I dont see them fit with this description of everything.

The link has a nice way of describing it all, and it seems a bit like a mix of new age and christianity to me. I guess that is what needs to happen if christianity is to survive another age.

[rebel ins]

We suffer in the physical world in order to bring contrast to his all encompassing Love.

I find that contradictive

[cyberdaemon]

I find that contradictive

Agree.If its truly encompassing , then it already reaches everywhere and there force needs no contrast...

[aerosteelzero]

Hi, thanks for looking.

Anyways let me answer your questions to the best of my ability. I told you my quick summation of the material is rather crude. There are thousands of pages explaining the mysteries of life and I wrote some of them in one paragraph. I do not give them the justice they deserve.

But I will explain the reason for contrast, the reason for good and evil to you. It does seem rather contradictive, I agree. So let us take for example that we have a blank white board. White will represent love. If you look at the whiteboard all you will see is white. If all you see/experience is white, then how are you to know that is love feels like. In order to experience anything you must have contrast, and this is an obvious fact if you think about it. So we write with a marker on the board in order to give any experience of the board. We have hot and cold, good and evil, pleasure and unpleasure, man and woman. Evil and bad are simply unpleasent goods. It is good that we have them in order to experience the vast love that God has for us.

What do humans do? They experience. What do we need to experience? Contrast.

I have read around the forums and a few times I come across the notion that the universe is infinite love. This is the complete truth and I am so glad that people are catching on to this.

Do not worry though, our contrast, our physical world, our suffering is a very short period in our cosmic cycle. We spend a majority of our time in the spiritual world behind us, fully attatched to the complete love of God. And I dont like to use the term time because time is a construction of the physical world and not of the spiritual world.

I hope that clears up the contradiction. This world view is based on logic and intelligence. So its easy to understand if you critically think about it with an open mind.

Thanks

-aerosteelzero

[drael]

I note your language is a little crude/literal and lacking in the appropriate subtley/symbolism for a mystic teaching. For example, we are not seperated from "gods love". All is one, perception/illusion is the basis of such "seperation". The name god, itself has certain associations which will prevent receptivity and clear comprehension. For example, the white man on a cloud with a beard! This kind of potential for misterpretation is out of place in a conveyance of truth.

What is it that you hope to convey through the veil of other peoples illusions?

Do u know that perception limits understanding, and experience, direct experience, is the only way through that?
That a "resonance" of understanding must occur for a mystic teaching because all learning is self-realisation, and that the mystic language (ie poetry, story, metaphor etc) is the vehicle for this?

I am confused by anyone who takes such a position and stands up saying 'i know, ask me questions'. Asking questions does not provide knowing. Experience does. A true teacher is subtle, patient and teaches what motivates self-discovery and insight - the inner journey. There is no simple literal summery that will change internal perceptions to see truth. If this existed, everyone would know already!

Sorry be the voice of dissent, but ur not helping any truth i know by asking people to trust your vision over theirs. Theyve had that enough already. Given a different conveyance (more mystic style language), and an emphasis on self-discovery (for eg techniques like meditation) id be happy to hear all this. A little humility wouldnt go astray either freind!

Wise is he who speaks little and listens much.

I do not mean to burst your bubble! Sorry for the critical nature of this post! You obviously do have a knowing, and wish to share it - which is noble. I respect that :) But please, brother, be aware of the pitfalls of teaching (as above). Thanks :)

Peace,
Drael

[aerosteelzero]

In response to drael,

You know, I think you are right. In this case I feel you just tought me something. Maybe I knew this all along, but I am glad you were upfront about it. True knowledge will come from experience. I cannot impress my experience on to others and have them know it as i know it. It is a long and steady path of evolution and I should have known that before sharing such powerful claims.

In response to what you said about God. Yes when I say God I should have clarified that God is all, he is not a man with a white beard, he is not a single person. God is a concept to us. I simply refer to that concept as God because its short and sweet. But you are indeed right, the word itself carries alot of extra baggage from many old world religions.

So what I am trying to say to everyone is that the information I am presenting is a nice supplement to the constant expanding of our views. Do not believe anything that doesnt work for you.

Thank you again drael

[nulltid]

I think you are a sham, and I detest everything you represent. You claim to be a voice of truth, but your words are full of lies.

Life is eternal.
That may be so, but humanity sure ain`t for ever.

Our world or illusion as many of you call it is the body of God
So, basically what you are saying is that GOD is small and insignificant in comparison to the UNIVERSE?

We are parts of God.
No, there is nothing divine with human race.

Everything is life, God is life.
No, there is also DEATH which is termination of LIFE. How can absence from experience be LIFE?

Cells are to our body, as Humans are to Earth.
No, cells are not self-destructive in nature.

Earth is a being, Alive.
At the center of the earth there is a giant brain then?

We are in a current disconnected state from Gods overwhelming Love.
Then why do gravity affect me?

We suffer in the physical world in order to bring contrast to his all encompassing Love.
That is just too inclusive. Not all suffer.

This brings us to the meaning life, our life, physical life.
You sound like a masochist.

We are here in order for God to re-experience himself.
Trying to implant HIVE MIND MENTALLITY on the sheeple here?

He always was, always is, and always will be.
Does his experience and re-experience happen simultaneously?

No beginning.
Everything have an origin.

No end.
Just like google?

Nothing outside of God.
Or - nothing inside of your skull.

He is ALL.
I`m sure HE have a dick the size of equator.

[drael]

In response to drael,

You know, I think you are right. In this case I feel you just tought me something. Maybe I knew this all along, but I am glad you were upfront about it.

I am glad for this :) I would not have posted as such if i did not think u capable of hearing! I remember such excitment too, thinking i could share the experience so easily with the sleepy.

True knowledge will come from experience. I cannot impress my experience on to others and have them know it as i know it. It is a long and steady path of evolution and I should have known that before sharing such powerful claims.

Thats it. Thats why zen teachers and such are so ambigious and variable - trying to make the student do the work - and why all the mystic books are written in poetic and mystic language.

In response to what you said about God. Yes when I say God I should have clarified that God is all, he is not a man with a white beard, he is not a single person. God is a concept to us. I simply refer to that concept as God because its short and sweet. But you are indeed right, the word itself carries alot of extra baggage from many old world religions.

Gods a tricky one. Its the most familiar term, but also the most loaded. I sometimes put "" around it, and call it unity as well, but my favourite is the nameless. Not that christian symbology isnt useful, it certainly is, but that then requires some kinda clarification.

So what I am trying to say to everyone is that the information I am presenting is a nice supplement to the constant expanding of our views. Do not believe anything that doesnt work for you.

Presenting information is all good :) Christian esotericism could reach a wide audience, because the symbols are broadly accepted, and i am always pleased to see input like the website u posted. There are quite a few things u said in ur post which echoed my experiences, like, that "god" is experiencing "through" the universe. U dont always hear that from people. So i enjoyed it :) It is always nice to talk to another waker, and your enthusiasm is also fresh and beautiful :)


Thank you again drael

Peace and love, freind

May the light be always with you :)

PS the above post is a good example of truth being made literal through logical interpretations. If one is abstract, or poetic etc, that is avoided.

[aerosteelzero]

I think you are a sham, and I detest everything you represent. You claim to be a voice of truth, but your words are full of lies.

Thanks for your input, I only wish you were more civilized to me as I am to you. Now let me briefly put into terms how I see the universe in comparison to what you wrote.

Life is eternal.
That may be so, but humanity sure ain`t for ever.

Ok life on earth isnt eternal. Our soul is eternal.

Our world or illusion as many of you call it is the body of God
So, basically what you are saying is that GOD is small and insignificant in comparison to the UNIVERSE?

By world I think you misinterpreted what I meant. I mean the universe is the body of "God". We are all one aren't we? Isn't that a common theme? Quantum physics even point to that fact. "God" is not limited to Earth as you may have thought I meant.

We are parts of God.
No, there is nothing divine with human race.

This is something that you must learn. I can not show you the "divine" worth of life as I see it.

Everything is life, God is life.
No, there is also DEATH which is termination of LIFE. How can absence from experience be LIFE?

You speak as if experience ends when you pass into the afterlife. Research the afterlife and you will know what I mean. By life, in this sense, I again am talking about the experience of our eternal soul, and not that of our physical and disposable human body.

Cells are to our body, as Humans are to Earth.
No, cells are not self-destructive in nature.

You are over analyzing this situation. There are many things that cells can't do that humans can, including the whole concept of freewill. But you do not dismiss the life of a plant even though we do not understand anything about its experience or consciousness. The plant has very little free will just as our cells.

Earth is a being, Alive.
At the center of the earth there is a giant brain then?

Again you are personifying our human qualities to a huge extent. You must be open to abstract ideas for any of this to work. I am not telling you to believe any of this, but your arguments are easy to dismiss from my point of view

We are in a current disconnected state from Gods overwhelming Love.
Then why do gravity affect me?

I don't understand what you mean here. This argument is invalid.

We suffer in the physical world in order to bring contrast to his all encompassing Love.
That is just too inclusive. Not all suffer.

I am not sure of what you mean completely. Maybe that the rich and famous suffer less than the poor and sick? Idk, but everyone suffers whether you can understand that or not. It is not something I can argue.

This brings us to the meaning life, our life, physical life.
You sound like a masochist.

lol, I don't know quite what your point is.

We are here in order for God to re-experience himself.
Trying to implant HIVE MIND MENTALLITY on the sheeple here?

Not sure what this means, but it sounds something similar to the fact that we are all connected. Like I said before we are all one, so my statement holds true. Also this concept is very hard to understand.

He always was, always is, and always will be.
Does his experience and re-experience happen simultaneously?

We can't impress the human idea of time onto the omnipresent collective conscious ("God") in this manner. I don't think we can even comprehend a question like this with our simple human brains.

No beginning.
Everything have an origin.

The All does not have an origin because it always was, always is, and always will be. It just IS! You are trying to argue my statement alone "No beginning", but you refuse to critically think about the concept behind it that I am trying to explain.

No end.
Just like google?

:confused:

Nothing outside of God.
Or - nothing inside of your skull.

Solid argument (Sarcasm)

He is ALL.
I`m sure HE have a dick the size of equator.

*sigh*

If you opened your mind even a little bit you might understand some of these concepts, or at least the ones that you are able to at your stage of awakening. With no attempt at learning I doubt that it shall take place.

:DThanks for your response though. Next time you want to make an argument please be a little more civilized.

-aerosteelzero

Edit: Thanks drael, im glad to know there are other people out there that feel the same as i do in certain ways. The search for meaning is as infinite as the cosmos. =p

[nulltid]

Thanks for your input, I only wish you were more civilized to me as I am to you. Now let me briefly put into terms how I see the universe in comparison to what you wrote.

I certainly cannot be more civilized, but I`ll do my best to be more user friendly. The offensive nature of my previous post were triggered by this statement:

What I present to you is the Truth in its highest form.

I do not believe that anyone are capable of presenting everyone with the Truth at this current position. In my experience, only those that lie, cheat and deceive "tell the truth". The truth is still out there.....

Ok life on earth isnt eternal. Our soul is eternal.

I do not believe in a soul thingy. I am somewhat perplexed by people that believe in this concept. Where is the fact? Where is the evidence? To the best of my knowledge: nonexistent.

By world I think you misinterpreted what I meant. I mean the universe is the body of "God". We are all one aren't we? Isn't that a common theme? Quantum physics even point to that fact. "God" is not limited to Earth as you may have thought I meant.

I did fail to understand that because I thought you were presenting "Truth in its highest form".
We are all one aren't we? No, we are individual units in a biological process.
Isn't that a common theme? Unfortunately, yes.

This is something that you must learn. I can not show you the "divine" worth of life as I see it.

Exactly. You cannot teach with fact that which can only be understood through faith. What convinced you that we are more than we appear to be?

You speak as if experience ends when you pass into the afterlife. Research the afterlife and you will know what I mean. By life, in this sense, I again am talking about the experience of our eternal soul, and not that of our physical and disposable human body.

Oh, I see - you´re not able to present "Truth in its highest form", thus I am asked to research myself. In conclusion - there is no afterlife.

I don't understand what you mean here. This argument is invalid.

It was a question not an argument. Not very civilized of you to declare it as invalid. You said "Please ask any questions, and discuss!" but obviously you don`t want that. To me, it was the single most importent question I asked.

I am not sure of what you mean completely. Maybe that the rich and famous suffer less than the poor and sick? Idk, but everyone suffers whether you can understand that or not. It is not something I can argue.

It`s not? I don`t suffer. I`m poor and disabled but I do not suffer. I am happy and satisfied with life as it is. Could you elaborate on how people suffer then?

Not sure what this means, but it sounds something similar to the fact that we are all connected. Like I said before we are all one, so my statement holds true. Also this concept is very hard to understand.

It means that I see you as an agent of the emerging world religion. Transmitting thoughts that neglect true individual liberty.

The All does not have an origin because it always was, always is, and always will be. It just IS! You are trying to argue my statement alone "No beginning", but you refuse to critically think about the concept behind it that I am trying to explain.

No, I have thought about it thoroughly and arrived at an opposing conclusion. If you want a civilized discussion you must also accept that all participants will not share your view. How can you accuse me of not giving it a thought?

[aerosteelzero]

Nulltid our experiences are different. Me arguing with you obviously is not going to change anything on either of our points of views. I realize my first post was a bit provocative and I am sorry for that. You are obviously being very defensive and thats fine, w/e. But really if you dont believe in a spirit then you probly shouldnt be reading any of what im trying to say. Continue on with your "biological machines" perception.

have a good one

[drael]

U didnt listen to me!

U see that because reality is a process of revealing based on the relinquishing of ego and preconceptions, like materialism that are so engrained in our society, and because of the nature of truth, only communicated via metaphors and symbols effectively, speaking to someone who has blinded their inner perception about truth is like speaking to a wall.

Im gonna ignore that now, just for fun, and reply to this conversation :D

Read my signature. Most people dont realise their just playing a make-beleive game with their materialism and egoism, that it has NO PROOF!!!, that it is a lie, maya - a fairytale, like the christian concept of heaven and hell, when taken literally. Its a game people, dont take it so seriously!

I would respond to each and ever reply given by above person with - whats the proof of that? and why?

because all such thought merely falls apart, it is a tower without structure - no basis. There is no proof that the ego is real. There is no proof that there is only "material" in some old fashioned descartian sense. Quatum physics, string theory, bohms theory, holographic universe theory and torsion/scalar mechanics. In none of those or any other modern theory is there "really stuff" out there. Thus the conception of all physical matter is "made-up". Its nonsense. Fairytale. An ancient religion/make beleive game gone horribly wrong. Let alone the body, the body is definately not any valid "entity" outside of us naming it that, like evrything else. The body requires food, completely renewing its cells every year or so, it produces waste etc. Why, when waste is in your "body" its you, like a cell in your arm. But when the cell is replaced and outside your body, it is no longer you? All notions of descrete objects in physical space being quite debatable on logical, physical/scientific and philosophical grounds.

Its a game people! Wake up!

[cruise4]

Hi aerosteelzero, I understand what you roughly mean. And the quality of true to self.

[aerosteelzero]

In response to drael:

Hello again!

I understand what you mean by a giant game all in our heads. I am really into dreaming and lucid dreaming. Currently I am in the process of making my dreams the same as my "waking state." I guess its possible to have your inner eye imagery just as vivid as your day conscious. And what I'm getting at is that at a certain point its easy to see that your mind is in true control and that the real world is actually very similar to your dreams world (without all the random and weird happenings in your dreams, haha). Idk, what do you think about dreams and reality and their meaning to the overall picture?

To cruise4: I am glad you can read what I present and at least take in some of it. My goal is to open your mind to another explantion to the question of "What is the meaning?" Believe what you will and please leave the rest. =D

-aerosteelzero

[drael]

The time is now. We are all waking. It is in the conciousness IMO.

I understand what you mean by a giant game all in our heads. I am really into dreaming and lucid dreaming. Currently I am in the process of making my dreams the same as my "waking state." I guess its possible to have your inner eye imagery just as vivid as your day conscious. And what I'm getting at is that at a certain point its easy to see that your mind is in true control and that the real world is actually very similar to your dreams world (without all the random and weird happenings in your dreams, haha). Idk, what do you think about dreams and reality and their meaning to the overall picture?

It seems at least for the moment dreams lie ahead of reality. It is taught in hypnosis, that the inner state produces equal effects to the outer state - they are interchangable. If one "hallucinates" and elephant, one can "lean" one it. One sees this in hypnosis stage shows. Medically the effect of mind is superior to medicines. We are lying in a deep sleep as to the nature of reality. We think desire, logic, material and ego rules. Symbols, & dreams are potent, beyond. They talk lengths. We have the power in potential, to literally "beat" the physical world if we expand ourselves beyond the preconceived overly serious games that do not hold truth. I often feel like i go to other realms and deeper wisdom in sleep. I guess thats the metaphor in 'matrix'?

Blessings and light freind,
Drael