A cautionary word

[carissac]

While it's good to learn and know about the true nature of those who run our world, seeing through the false outer image they project to trick the masses, I just wanted to extend a word of caution to all conspiracy theorists and newbies on the path of learning. Basically, it's "go easy."

In perusing through the threads in this section I see many a headline pertaining to horrific acts of violence and depravity that average people are doing to others out there in the world. And to that I pose the question - what good does this do for you, personally, to keep bombarding yourself with stories of depraved acts committed by regular people - ie, non leaders - once you've already learned about this aspect of the world? Stories pertaining to what world, national and local leaders do, I can understand, because that's an effort to wake people up to the true nature of who these people in power really are. But when it concerns the average sicko out there in the world then really, do we need to know about their exploits when there's nothing that can be done about it at this point? :confused:

Somebody in Pennsylvania raped their daughter and had sex with his dogs and horses. And knowing this helps you personally.............how?

Another person kept seven people locked up in a basement dungeon.

Another person killed babies, or did this, or did that.

And how does any of this help you as an individual in your personal reality? That's the question I'm posing.

So many people mistakenly feel that they "need" to know this stuff because they have to "be informed." That to NOT "be informed," ie, to not keep up on these stories, must somehow mean that they're a sheep, like the average asleep person. That's not true.

Once you learn that it's out there, and that there are some really dark people in this world committing unspeakable acts against fellow humans and animals, then you don't need to keep "beating a dead horse" and reading, and reading, and reading about every single person out there who engages in that behavior. A few is enough for me to realize that Okay, this sort of thing exists, there are people out there like this.........now, do whatever I can do in my own reality to be as opposite of that as possible. I don't need to read hundreds of headlines about depraved people to "get it." I got it already. I got it several years ago in fact.

And I want to pass that onto everybody here. A cautionary word about bombarding yourself with a bunch of nonsense that does nothing to further yourself on your path. Once you know something, you know it. When the alarm clock goes off in the morning, you get up. But you don't carry the alarm clock around with you blaring away in your ear for the rest of the day. You're awake, you're up....you got it. Moving on.

You can't change what happened. You can't bring back the dead victim, or undo the damage that's been done to the victims who are still alive. All you can do is read the story, get sickened, feel deflated and sad...and that's it. The end. Doesn't seem productive to me. So unless something beneficial can result from it all - which it usually can't - then I just don't see the point in continually bombarding oneself with these depraved stories.

Just my two cents from a person passing through....

[coshh]

Hear Hear!

[revolutionary_jam]

agreed, it's no better than watchin the fuckin news

[cruise4]

I don't entirely agree. One incident is an exception, two is a rarity, three is a pattern, four is a conspiracy, 5 is an organised conspiracy etc. Plus if we don't post new material, how does anyone know these events haven't ceased, when in fact they are becoming more prevalent. You CAN change what happens, you can ratchet the pressure on these people up until things start to get done. Here's just a few negative phrases in this supposedly enlightening post...

what good does this do
mistakenly feel that they "need" to know
average people are doing to others
Moving on
beating a dead horse
nothing that can be done about it
how does any of this help
I don't need to read
bunch of nonsense
You can't change what happened
You can't bring back
I just don't see the point
Doesn't seem productive

I don't advise you to read. Its your choice, Mr One post passing through. On your advice nothing would ever get done about these issues. Also note No alternative approaches, yet again, bar ignore the world as it is. We already have a media covering everything up. What's needed is more exposure, not less.

[deanjames]

I don't entirely agree. One incident is an exception, two is a rarity, three is a pattern, four is a conspiracy, 5 is an organised conspiracy etc. Plus if we don't post new material, how does anyone know these events haven't ceased, when in fact they are becoming more prevalent. You CAN change what happens, you can ratchet the pressure on these people up until things start to get done. Here's just a few negative phrases in this supposedly enlightening post...

what good does this do
mistakenly feel that they "need" to know
average people are doing to others
Moving on
beating a dead horse
nothing that can be done about it
how does any of this help
I don't need to read
bunch of nonsense
You can't change what happened
You can't bring back
I just don't see the point
Doesn't seem productive

I don't advise you to read. Its your choice, Mr One post passing through. On your advice nothing would ever get done about these issues. Also note No alternative approaches, yet again, bar ignore the world as it is. We already have a media covering everything up. What's needed is more exposure, not less.

Haha "Mr One Post"

And on the reading and reading side of things,maybe some people crave knowledge, its like doing maths then working upto a more difficult stage and be like ah i know that already i know how maths works.

Its also like saying ah we know princess diana was killed, lets leave it at that and not read into more factual evidence and different sides of the stories we know, the basics behind it.

Maybe people are curious of the world that they live in,eventho it may not benefit then in anyway.

Personally ive got to lol at you for coming on here naming the thread "A cautionary word" were not 12 years olds on here

[carissac]

I don't advise you to read. Its your choice, Mr One post passing through.

Mr.? My handle is carissac, like my name, Carissa C. Carissa is definitely a feminine name, indicating my gender to be female.


I don't entirely agree. One incident is an exception, two is a rarity, three is a pattern, four is a conspiracy, 5 is an organised conspiracy etc.

Sorry, but I don't think random average sickos out there are an "organized conspiracy." I believe in demonic/neg entity influence over people, which is probably what's happening in many of the stories that we see posted in this particular section of the forum. So while neg entities/demonic influence in itself could probably be labeled a "conspiracy," I differ on the terminology "organized." I view it as the age old battle between light and dark, in the vein of the movie "Constantine." But not necessarily an "organized conspiracy" of sorts. It sounds like what you're talking about are instances of world/national/local leaders who are caught with their pants down, so to speak, engaging in these dark acts. But as my opening post clarified, I'm not necessarily talking about that. I'm talking about all the random stories about average nobodies who are involved in sicko stuff. Once you learn that this element exists in society, then you know. There's no need to walk around with that figuritive alarm clock blaring away in your ear for the rest of the day.


Plus if we don't post new material, how does anyone know these events haven't ceased, when in fact they are becoming more prevalent.

I don't see the point in beating oneself over the head by continuing to read hundreds, even thousands more stories on the matter. "But oh look! It indicates that this stuff is on the rise!" Does it? How would we know? And if it does turn out that this behavior is on the rise, (and actually, I tend to believe it is....) then what do you propose we do about it? Your mere awareness of it does what exactly to curb it or slow it down? You can't control what other people do, let alone pre-emptively, before they've even actually done it. At BEST you just get to here about it all....AFTER the fact. When there's nothing you can do about any of it. But if you have any ideas, solutions or input, then by all means, tell us what we can do.


You CAN change what happens,

No, you can't. You can't know pre-emptively what nefarious acts people in far away regions plan to do, and you can't undo it once it's already been done.


you can ratchet the pressure on these people up until things start to get done.

Ratchet the pressure on what people, exactly? Who? How? You can ratchet the pressure on say, Joe Schmoe in Bumpkinsville, Oregon, who raped a couple of people and took part in some satanic ritual? After the fact, when in all liklihood he's already in jail? (That's the reason the story would even be known in the media after all, because it's already been discovered.) What can you, Cruise, do about any of that? Nothing. Let's not delude ourselves.


On your advice nothing would ever get done about these issues. Also note No alternative approaches, yet again, bar ignore the world as it is. We already have a media covering everything up. What's needed is more exposure, not less.

Sorry, I strongly disagree. The "alternative news media" goes around exposing what average small town sickos do, after the fact, when the damage has already been done, and then readers believe they're somehow better off for knowing all the sordid details of the depravity. Depravity that's already after the fact ,and which they again, can do nothing to change by this point. It's done, over. Now all you can do is sit there and read about it and give up your loosh to the feeders.

"Alternative news junkies" aren't going to get where I'm coming from with this and will argue til the cows come home about it, I know this. But those who've had their fill of it all after years and years of unproductive "news" absorption that amounted to nothing will understand what I mean - the ones who've reached the end of the line with their alternative news/"oh look, I'm so informed" consumption. So I started this thread with them in mind.

[carissac]

........as a side note:

Again, to clarify, that unless one is prepared to make use of the information that's been gleaned via reading all of these newspaper/'net articles, then I don't see the point of it. There are however, people who do take that information and use it to spur themselves into action. One example of this I recently read about in the OC Weekly involved this guy, can't remember his name, who's best friends with Jane's Addiction frontman Perry Farrell, and who works to rescue women and children from organized prostitution rings here in the U.S. as well as third world countries. Fascinating and very very unusual story and an unusual man. If I can find the article I'll post it here. EDIT: Found it: http://www.ocweekly.com/features/features/from-hunter-to-hunted/27362/

But that's a great example of somebody taking what they learned and then actually DOING something about it. So, what I'm referring to in my posts are those who are not prepared and not able to do anything about what they're reading, and just consume all these stories somehow thinking that it makes them better off for it.

[cruise4]

"But as my opening post clarified, I'm not necessarily talking about that"

OK... I can't say as I've seen too much of that sort of posting to be honest. I read a story the other day about some Radio host who was involved with some child sex case and the story explodes into senator level cover up and suppression. Its amazing how often these things lead to much bigger stories.
Stories like 'Man has sex with Bicycle' are just funny.

Ultimately I'm not sure you have a point at all now.

Take the vaccination issue.... its comprised of individual stories and cases that build up into a damning indictment of the Pharma industry, and that leads to even greater efforts to uncover exactly what is going on.

I have come across a number of people who say, re. child abuse stories, I can't bear to read/look at that. My response is look. I believe its important to act as 'witness' I suppose for want of a better expression. Yes, its nasty stuff, but the trick is, I believe, absorb the knowledge and remain impassive but determined, not turn away from horrific acts. "Remain impassive" isn't quite the right expression... don't become emotionally involved. As you see more the lesson is squared. Some, who know my posting, will be laughing at this.... but I continue to try :D

[dizzykush]

While it's good to learn and know about the true nature of those who run our world, seeing through the false outer image they project to trick the masses, I just wanted to extend a word of caution to all conspiracy theorists and newbies on the path of learning. Basically, it's "go easy."

In perusing through the threads in this section I see many a headline pertaining to horrific acts of violence and depravity that average people are doing to others out there in the world. And to that I pose the question - what good does this do for you, personally, to keep bombarding yourself with stories of depraved acts committed by regular people - ie, non leaders - once you've already learned about this aspect of the world? Stories pertaining to what world, national and local leaders do, I can understand, because that's an effort to wake people up to the true nature of who these people in power really are. But when it concerns the average sicko out there in the world then really, do we need to know about their exploits when there's nothing that can be done about it at this point? :confused:

Somebody in Pennsylvania raped their daughter and had sex with his dogs and horses. And knowing this helps you personally.............how?

Another person kept seven people locked up in a basement dungeon.

Another person killed babies, or did this, or did that.

And how does any of this help you as an individual in your personal reality? That's the question I'm posing.

So many people mistakenly feel that they "need" to know this stuff because they have to "be informed." That to NOT "be informed," ie, to not keep up on these stories, must somehow mean that they're a sheep, like the average asleep person. That's not true.

Once you learn that it's out there, and that there are some really dark people in this world committing unspeakable acts against fellow humans and animals, then you don't need to keep "beating a dead horse" and reading, and reading, and reading about every single person out there who engages in that behavior. A few is enough for me to realize that Okay, this sort of thing exists, there are people out there like this.........now, do whatever I can do in my own reality to be as opposite of that as possible. I don't need to read hundreds of headlines about depraved people to "get it." I got it already. I got it several years ago in fact.

And I want to pass that onto everybody here. A cautionary word about bombarding yourself with a bunch of nonsense that does nothing to further yourself on your path. Once you know something, you know it. When the alarm clock goes off in the morning, you get up. But you don't carry the alarm clock around with you blaring away in your ear for the rest of the day. You're awake, you're up....you got it. Moving on.

You can't change what happened. You can't bring back the dead victim, or undo the damage that's been done to the victims who are still alive. All you can do is read the story, get sickened, feel deflated and sad...and that's it. The end. Doesn't seem productive to me. So unless something beneficial can result from it all - which it usually can't - then I just don't see the point in continually bombarding oneself with these depraved stories.

Just my two cents from a person passing through....

Im totaly with you on this, i cant bear to watch or hear or read about any groesome details in a graphic way, but i will say that some people can deal with it, and its down to them to discern the truth from it, me, personaly cant. Only after a few years of waking up, has an over whelming compassion, empathy ect..built up inside of me and it feels too much, and i dont need to know the details, because i choose to save my energy for
future good.

[carissac]

My general advise or suggestion/nudge would be for people to use filters when injesting all the conspiracy/doomsday/alternative news headlines. I don't say this in a "I'm talking to 12 year olds" way, like an earlier poster was thinking, I say it only because I used to be there myself, and I see so many people out there in internet land just soaking this stuff up, thinking it makes them so informed, and better off for it, then reaching saturation levels and mental breaking points. I read about their experiences with it all and it's like, "I feel your pain." So use filters. When looking at all this material, always keep in mind, how much of it is really of any true and genuine use to you as a person, in your reality? Can you do anything with this information? If yes, then great. But if not.......then out it goes. Otherwise your brain gets bogged down with one atrocity after another after another after another....which you can't do anything about, and which ultimately only serves to drag YOU down as a person and render you ineffective to do anything at all about anything. So, "pick your battles wisely" as they say. Choose your negative information carefully.

[marpat]

I think there is a lot of evil in the world without the need to say it's organised. Is not evil disorganised by it's very nature tending towards destruction? human nature can be a very nasty thing if people have no moral conscience. People will kill out of rage, for money, for laughs, etc without there being any ritual involved.
Not that ritual evil doesn't happen. Not that long ago a black male child was pulled from the Thames with his limbs removed as part of some African ritual sacrifice, so it does happen, I just think not to the degree that some people are suggesting.

[skyver]

Wrong, Carissa, Wrong! The sad fact is that these freaks are getting away with all kinds of madness because people like you say " we know what they are doing is bad but lets not get down about it, lets just ignore it, you will only get depressed..." Now get this, what I'm about to say may sound strange to you but here goes, I feel less depressed now that I know what these people are up to, as before I had an inkling but never a firm idea in mind, more a case of "is it me or is something not quite right with this world?" Now I now what these freaks are up to I can say Thats why the world is in the shit it is in, & knowing there are others like on this forum for example who also want to know & get the truth out, we can all try & make a change for the better. We got a better chance of stopping or minimising evil by bringing out in the open whats going on rather than suffering from the "ostrich syndrome".

The Freaks that run the world want us to bury our heads in the sand using fear to control us. If i don't like something, I am not compelled to go ahead & research on it.

[cruise4]

"I think there is a lot of evil in the world without the need to say it's organised."

Ridiculous. You must know 'nothing' about current events.

Evidence of Organisation is not a theory... its a fact, proven case, over and over and over again. I can prove it a thousand ways. The only reason you aren't aware are a) disinfo, or b) do no research.

[lenejento]

How about making a thread dedicated to only big good news? Could have it as a sticky in the awakening forum for example :)

[carissac]

Wrong, Carissa, Wrong! The sad fact is that these freaks are getting away with all kinds of madness because people like you say " we know what they are doing is bad but lets not get down about it, lets just ignore it, you will only get depressed..."

Sorry, never said that. You may want to go back and actually read what I wrote instead of skimming it and then wrongly interpreting it, which is what is appears you did.


Now get this, what I'm about to say may sound strange to you but here goes, I feel less depressed now that I know what these people are up to, as before I had an inkling but never a firm idea in mind, more a case of "is it me or is something not quite right with this world?" Now I now what these freaks are up to I can say Thats why the world is in the shit it is in, & knowing there are others like on this forum for example who also want to know & get the truth out.........

Seems to me that once again, we have somebody arguing me based on the misunderstanding that I'm speaking of what world/national/local leaders are up to, when in fact, I'm talking about the obsessive coverage of what average Joe Schmoes are doing in Bumpkinsville, USA. (or bumpkinsville, _______ foreign country.)

When I skimmed through the satanic/child abuse section, I saw many a thread pertaining to articles concerning the heinous acts of average schmoes out in the world.....people who you can't do anything about, as much as you'd like think you can, because they don't live in the area where you live, and by the time you do hear about it, the whole thing's already over and done with. So now you're just left hanging on the line, unable to do anything, helpless behind your computer.

waaaamp waaaaaaaamp waaaaaaaaaaaaamp waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamp.

And that helps anybody....how exactly? :confused:



we can all try & make a change for the better. We got a better chance of stopping or minimising evil by bringing out in the open whats going on rather than suffering from the "ostrich syndrome".

First off, I never advocated "ostrich syndrome." Try actually fully reading through my posts before jumping into the conversation.

Second, I keep seeing all this fired up passionate rhetoric that the alternative headline news readers are better off for obsessively following these headlines, because they can "change" things now as a result.

But I have yet to see anybody explain how exactly this change can come about. I see people passionately convincing themselves that by merely reading up on these things, they're somehow "changing" things. "Bringing it to the light." And by doing that, it automatically makes it right.

"Some random guy in Pennsylvania raped his daughter and schtupped his horses and dogs! Just by knowing this it makes the world right somehow! It was exposed! Now the world knows!"

"A random guy locked 7 people up in his basement dungeon! Just knowing that this happened makes everything better. Yup!"

(yeah, they knows this........and? And what now, exactly? ?? ???)

Unless you're actually actively doing something to put a stop to it all - like the example article I posted earlier on page 1 concerning Aaron Cohen, who's made it his job to go out there and rescue women and children from the sex slave trade - then no, it's not doing you any good.

Firing off passionate rhetoric from your computer just makes you a keyboard warrior. That's it. Unless you can put it to good use. And you very well may be, for all I know. So then............share your tips and advise for what fellow David Icke forum posters can do from their end to also put a stop to what the average sicko Schmoes are doing around the country. Tell them how to be superheroes who can pre-emptively know about these acts before they happen, then put a stop to it. Let's hear the advise and suggestions and solutions.

Unfortunately, again, many think that merely reading headlines about things they can do nothing about and then passing them around is somehow constructive. And sooner or later, someone here's going to have to admit that yes, many of these headlines are about things you can do nothing about.

Am I saying that you can't do anything about any of it though? Nope.

Am I saying put your head in the sand? Nope.

Am I saying "only think positive thoughts" ? Nope.

But what I did say was, proceed with caution. If it's something you can actually DO something about......then great. And be sure to pass on these solutions to others so they too can know how to put a stop to what everybody in the world is doing. Be an inspiration to the rest of the forum by sharing what you've done and how you did it. But if not...........then out it should go.

I've seen many people get bogged down in a bad way after overloading themselves for years on these alternative news expose stories - usually newbies, who are so hyper and amped up in the beginning stages of their awakening that they start cramming their mind indiscriminately with whatever alternative story they can get their hands on, using no discernment whatsoever - until eventually it burns them out. It takes its toll on most - real - people. The robotic mechanical types however seem to never get enough of or tire of it all, and want to push it on everybody else around them obsessively......never mind that most times it's stuff that nobody can actually stop. Also, their minds tend to be wired to think only in black and white, either/or ways. "You're either a fluffy love n light bury your head in the sand new ager type, or you're hardcore conspiracy theorist like me!!" Black and white. No ability to conceive of the third option balanced middle ground.

Balance. Middle ground. I'm not about doing nothing - I do what I can in this world, with what my particular constraints are. But I don't advise soaking up every single nasty headline out there that one can do nothing about and being some sort of keyboard warrior, thinking that somehow merely "being informed" is enough to make a difference. It's not. Sorry. So, the middle ground. Be selective. Do what you can with what you have and with what your personal resources and constraints allow. But don't overload yourself, because then you'll get so emotionally and mentally bogged down that you won't be able to do anything, and then nobody will get helped. Find what you can do something about and focus on that.

Anyway, I really don't like having to repeat myself because of people who didn't really read what I wrote and only saw what they wanted to see, or what they expected to see, based on what others in the past may have said. Kind of annoying. So this is the last time I'll be doing that. People either get where I'm coming from by this point, or they don't. If they don't by this point, then they never will, and I'm not going to expend any more energy trying to re-explain and argue it all.

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Totally off topic, but I had to say that lenejento's avatar is adorable, love it. :)

[cruise4]

Its about pattern Recognition. You need the pieces to make a jigsaw. Until a pattern is recognised there is no conspiracy. So all stories are valid. This is how things are uncovered.

[cataleptik]

While it's good to learn and know about the true nature of those who run our world, seeing through the false outer image they project to trick the masses, I just wanted to extend a word of caution to all conspiracy theorists and newbies on the path of learning. Basically, it's "go easy."

In perusing through the threads in this section I see many a headline pertaining to horrific acts of violence and depravity that average people are doing to others out there in the world. And to that I pose the question - what good does this do for you, personally, to keep bombarding yourself with stories of depraved acts committed by regular people - ie, non leaders - once you've already learned about this aspect of the world?

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You can't change what happened. You can't bring back the dead victim, or undo the damage that's been done to the victims who are still alive. All you can do is read the story, get sickened, feel deflated and sad...and that's it. The end. Doesn't seem productive to me. So unless something beneficial can result from it all - which it usually can't - then I just don't see the point in continually bombarding oneself with these depraved stories.

Just my two cents from a person passing through....



someone has to do Good sooner or later. I mean: something more than Neutral, something Rainbow, not just beige or Grey...something that tips the scales. I have wondered the same question...but often people feel paralyzed with fear and shame, and it's all they can do to point out "hey, look, there's some evil stuff happening, yeah, man...oh well, another day, man i'm BUSHED..."


sooner or later someone -- or a BUNCH of someones have to do something Good, and not just the sort of cliched "well, watch the system crucify, slander and neutralize these goody twoshoes, who do they think THEY are..." but

something really GOOD to change things. as for monitoring Satanism,
I tend to think that


there is a top most to it all, a Hidden Boss factor,
and that it is actually WEAK, it's not powerful or omnipotent,
it's just the opposite and all its real power is is tricking people into kowtowing, into giving away their autonomy and submitting to enslavement.

and that has been what we have called "anti-Christ."...

it hates people and human innocence,
and eludes direct detection. so in the internet,
you get a bunch of people who are firing shots, getting near misses,
but also they are putting a puzzle together.
--
it occurred to me today that there was another factor to the symbol of the eye in the pyramid besides the idea of Big Business and Technocracy, Big Brother monitoring everything...

the legend of the Egyptian pyramids have to do with Good against Evil in some way. We can't really get inside the pyramids to see what is in there, Mr. Hawass is standing there saying No Admittance, and we would probably just muck it up as we are now.

But I believe that there is something connected to the "Legend of Jesus", something that has been PURPOSELY SUPPRESSED by the very people who have taken "Jesus Christ" as their symbol while NOT behaving as emissaries of the prince of peace for the whole of the last 2000 years pretty much, going places and enforcing guilt feelings, shame and sinfulness...


and I think it has to do with the Pyramid Legends.

yeah, there ARE alot of people compiling stories of Satanism here and there.

i personally have been monitoring corporate news, and I tend to realise that there are a few suppressed "blanket stories" that must be broken into the mainstream somehow, even if Good Hackers end up doing it (in some way).

stories like MK: ULTRA and Operation Monarch: take the man who recently was found guilty of murdering the mother of his children with a forearm or elbow to the throat.

the deep secret of Behavioral Modification takes a long time to explain,
but it started in the 1960s and before, and has been kept a big secret.

But getting people to do murderous things against their will or against what their true personalities would have them do was the point of MK: ULTRA, putting "suggestions" -- post hypnotic suggestions...

and some might call that evidence of something Diabolical that needs to be addressed.

sooner or later someone will have to do something Good to combat and Neutralize Real Evil in our world, and what was it that was said -- "evil prevails when people of good nature stand by and do nothing or next to nothing," some phrase like that? are we seeing that now, in the world at large???

[dedicate]

Just goes to show one that there are no clear cut lines anywhere when we get into big issues. Don't look at it/Look at it.. either can lead to enlightenment or illusion, depends on the quality of the person.

So, basically I disagree with the original poster, but not totally. If you find that you are falling into fear patterns and paranoia when reading about such things, get off it. I found that I can't view any more videos about the horrible conditions in Animal Factories. Just too ugly. But I'm now conscious of the Karma when buying eggs or milk, and working to stop using those products.

It's good that the original poster reminds us of dangers of over studying these topics. But I find that a lot of people discourage me from study, because they don't want to look at it themselves-- take responsiblity for the world they live in.

[cytro]

I totally agree w/ you - Once you realize how corrupt this world is and if you keep hanging around searching for corrupt information - It'll start to corrupt your energy - It's time to move on to something more positive!!!!

[neutron flux]

Its about pattern Recognition. You need the pieces to make a jigsaw. Until a pattern is recognised there is no conspiracy. So all stories are valid. This is how things are uncovered.

I'm inclined to agree that there are patterns in some cases and all stories are valid as it helps you get a more objective view of the world. Just look at the random shooter who goes beserk killing innocent people and always shoots himself - that can lead to recognition of greenbaum programming coupled with maybe Haarp.

Also, noticing the pattern of pathological deviant behaviour can help you in researching such types and how they operate, and how to spot when you're in the clutches of one. Of course this requires more research than just reading the news but it all helps in understanding, and most of all shaking off the apathy to what's going on and finding solutions.

[beldazar]

Hi Carrisac, I felt exactly the same as you several months ago, so much that I felt like coming off here. I dont any more, the bad information doesnt affect me any more, some would say that Im desensitised to it but to me, it feels like its just passing through, its all part of the process. I agree with cruise4, these things have to come out in the open to be healed. You take for example the childrens home in Jersey, many people would have read David Ickes books that mention child abuse and satanism and many would have been in doubt about it, then it comes up in the news and people are forced to look twice and whoever found it hard to believe in some of the stuff he says are forced to re-think. The same goes for Mr Fayed when he claims that the royal family are blood drinkers, the news is slowly coming out and so more people will awaken. I do agree that you have to focus on the positive and not allow fear to get a hold, sometimes its easier said than done but you CAN change the way you feel.

[marpat]

"I think there is a lot of evil in the world without the need to say it's organised."

Ridiculous. You must know 'nothing' about current events.

Evidence of Organisation is not a theory... its a fact, proven case, over and over and over again. I can prove it a thousand ways. The only reason you aren't aware are a) disinfo, or b) do no research.

Why do you have a habit of calling people ideas ridiculous. Are you the only person who can have ideas?
Are you trying to tell me that every act of evil is organised. Perhaps those drugs you used to be on have damaged you brain. What is ridiculous is that you think everything is organised evil. You will end up back in the psychaitric ward again.

[marpat]

Its about pattern Recognition. You need the pieces to make a jigsaw. Until a pattern is recognised there is no conspiracy. So all stories are valid. This is how things are uncovered.


You cock. You just attacked my post before for saying not everything is organised evil and then say until there is a pattern there is no conspiracy.

Bloody parasite

[cruise4]

I attack you for not researching anything. I don't give a damn about your imaginary ideas, any more than you do about mine. The difference is I've looked into issues fairly extensively and you appear to know nothing about any subject whatsoever... my ideas are based on what is actually occurring, and yours are based on your programming.

Tell me what videos have you watched about any of these so called conspiracy ideas? What books have you read? What do you know about the medical field? What do you know about anything on these boards, bar the ability to actually post a sentence.

Do you know what seignorage is? Do you know what fractional Reserve banking means? Do you know what the number on the back of your birth registration certificate is? Have you looked into the lineage of world figures? Have you read the actual Club of Rome documents? Have you researched the Bilderberg group? Have you researched who and what the New World Order is concerning? Tell me.. what have you researched?

[marpat]

I attack you for not researching anything. I don't give a damn about your imaginary ideas, any more than you do about mine. The difference is I've looked into issues fairly extensively and you appear to know nothing about any subject whatsoever... my ideas are based on what is actually occurring, and yours are based on your programming.

Tell me what videos have you watched about any of these so called conspiracy ideas? What books have you read? What do you know about the medical field? What do you know about anything on these boards, bar the ability top actually post a sentence.

Do you know what seignorage is? Do you know what fractional Reserve banking means? Do you know what the number on the back of your birth registration certificate is? Have you looked into the lineage of world figures? Have you read the actual Club of Rome documents? Have you researched the Bilderberg group? Have you researched who and what the New World Order is concerning? Tell me.. what have you researched?

Research??? all you do is look at web site based on other peoples ideas. Your a pathetic, weak, scared person and a parasite in society.