The Secret

[paganus]

has anyone else investigated this? what are your thoughts?

[drael]

Please be a little more specific..?

Cheers

[shodan]

I was bang into the movie when I was first getting into all this stuff. Its a good starting point but the whole commercialism thing and the fact it was promoted on the Oprah show put me off a bit. I would still recommend people watch it though.

[drael]

Well if your talking about the movie, the main person who came up with the project is still trying to get justice in court, from what i heard (which cud be wrong). The message is sorta materialist and very isolated from other universal laws and principles - just the sort of mainstreaming that the PTB like to do with esoteric and new age ideas.

[paganus]

ive just looked it up on various sites rather than watch the movie.i thought it sounded a workable enough system.

[chandrakavi]

I have seen the DVD.
Nevertheless i would recommmend people first to see the DVD called
WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW? (made by the same producers of the same subject)
and after having pondered on that, which has a lot of inner information,
continue to see THE SECRET.

I do see there is a commercial aspect in all this. From the Secret, there also a book has been made, which i got as a gift. It has a monthly newsletter, where they advertize many of their things. They understood there is a market for people who are seekers, spiritual, and decided to give it a go for them.

Nevertheless the information is very good, tells you how you can create your own reality,
how things can be positive for you. I have friends that practice this, and it works for them.
They are aware of being positive in life. well worth seeing the DVDs.
The kind of DVD you will want, and some times need to see more than once.
Hope everyone gets to see it, for some it will change your life. :D :)

[paganus]

I have seen the DVD.
Nevertheless i would recommmend people first to see the DVD called
WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW?
and after havingpondered on that, which has a lot of inner information,
continue to see THE SECRET.

I do see there is a commercial aspect in all athis. From the Secret, there also a book has been made, which i got as a gift. it has a newsletter, where they advertize many of their things. They understoodd there is a market foor people who are seekers, spiritual, and decided to give it a go at that.

Neverthelsess the information is very good, tells you how you can create your own reality,
how things can be positive for you. I ahve friends that practice this, and it works for them.
The yare aware of being posiitive in life. well worth seeing the DVDs.
The kind of DVD you will want, and some times need to see more than once.
Hope everyone gets to see it, for some it will change your life. :D :)

whats not commercial in some respect? everybody needs to eat and cover costs.

[chandrakavi]

whats not commercial in some respect? everybody needs to eat and cover costs.


Yes, I agree with you on that Paganus :)

[thirdwave]

the thing is with the secret... its is correct info that has been put out but has also been designed to make money.... obviously the woman who created it took investment from people in high places... so it has that stamp on it...

But the bottom line is I think those who are going to wake up will see it for what it really is and wont get drawn into the materialistic focus .... and those who are not would not wake up even if the DVD was more explanatory on how it all works......

the people who can be mislead into taking it in as just a materialistic thing would not be lead on track with any DVD and need to try and get more of an over all spiritual understanding first anyway... the way it is made just makes the DVD easier to scoff at.

[bigus_dickus]

Nevertheless the information is very good, tells you how you can create your own illusion, how things can appear positive for you. I have friends that practice this, and it works for them.
They believe they are being positive in life. well worth seeing the DVDs.
The kind of DVD you will be manipulated to want, and some times urged to need to see more than once.
Hope everyone gets to see it, for some it will change your illusion. :D :)

just corrected a few bits of your post (with the bold fonts) ;)

[siscid]

I was bang into the movie when I was first getting into all this stuff. Its a good starting point but the whole commercialism thing and the fact it was promoted on the Oprah show put me off a bit. I would still recommend people watch it though.

Fully agreed with Shodan. I used to love watching the movie, but I have to say after a while it got really boring, and with all the promotion it sort of ruined it for me. It's also very materialistic.

[deliciously_fresh]

I still haven't, nor do I feel compelled to see this movie. However, I have seen alot of enthusiasm about it on random websites.

Is the info really all that different from any 'create your reality' book or website? Or is it the same ol' same ol' repackaged and made glossy for the masses?

[chandrakavi]

just corrected a few bits of your post (with the bold fonts) ;)

"It is important, to realize, nevertheless, that we ALL create our own reality.
I have observed people who acept it at the beginning, but later seek to deny it,
when something they don't like happens. (...)
The word KARMA to me, is a way of saying that we create our own reality.(...)

Let us respect our right to be unique,
and express being unique;
Let us respect the right of others to express that they are unique,
free from ridicule, or condemnation; and never look to impose on others what we believe.
That simple philosophy will transform your life, and life on this planet.
And one last thing. What do you really want to do with your life?
OK, what are you waiting for?
JUST DO IT!"---I AM ME I AM FREE by DAVID ICKE :D :)

[angelicangel]

I have heard such a lot about this DVD and i am inthrawled about what it's about. I know it is wide world watched but as of yet have been unable to get hold of it. Would be interested to watch it sometime.:)

[drael]

Sorry i have to completely disagree with what everyone else here says about "The Secret". It completely misrepresents manifestation IMO. Manifestation has at few a few different aspects that they didnt cover. They covered visualisation essentially.

Which is only half of will, the other aspect is - detachment. That is one can simply wish for ones material desires and things u want in life, because the desire creates the opposite effect - ie karma. Detachment is actually the most important aspect in will, because visualisation and breath can simply be practiced.

Breath and concentration, or "trance" is also regarded as a useful part of manifestation. One should really not look at a "law of attraction" IMO for manifestation advice, u should look at the kybalion.

One cannot learn one idea "that like attracts like and opposites repel" and start manifesting - one should know all universal law and the basic esoteric/psychic principles.

Thats the reason why people use magick, psychic gifts, spiritual healing, prayer etc to heal, not to gain personally (Because of karma/rebound/universal law etc). A) Because its very hard b) because its "bad". Or in the common lexicon "be careful what u wish for".

Or at least thats from what i know. Seems to me, that like most mainstream new-age and even magickal material, it tends toward ego-ism, and materialism IMO. The less known materials are great, like some channels etc.

What the bleep? Well, its quatum physics, which i aint that fond of. I guess QT has its moments. But theres excellent bits, like the bit on water crystals. So sorta cool, as a movie, but not that informative more mind opening thing. Cool stuff :D

The water crystals give a big hint to how complex thought matter sympathy is. One word creates an indelible pattern based on the geomtery of the emotion, so - the whole emotion, of your mind, you entire mind-state, when manifesting becomes the subject of sympathy - not just what u are visualising, but all your thoughts and feelings.
Thats why breath, visualisation, detachment.

Be also aware IMO, "create your own reality" is a ptb credo, it is essence of an esoteric focus on "self-empowerment", and the pathway into pratice of "black magick". There are numerous cults where people are taught they can be gods, like landmark for example. Once u beleive ur the centre of the universe, and no other will, person, law or vibration might matter, ur on the pathway to reject the will of unity, the love of love. Sorry to sound so paranoid here, but i am fairly convinced that the ptb are either, in some form preparing society for black magick, training people for recruitment into their societies, or just brainwashing people with various programs so they dont -

look into themselves for answers rather than outside -

which could free them from the illusion we are trapped in.

Ugghh. Sorry to be ranty ;P

[agent99]

Haven't seen the DVD, but I did read the book. I will say that it definitely points to the idea of positive thinking but then tends to take on a trend of materialism. Let's face it, bad things happen to good people, that is just life. I think it tries to influence the reader to think of what they want their life to be in materialistic terms and it will come to you. Borderlines on black magick I'm afraid. Not that positive thinking isn't a good thing but I think this could be a bit overboard.

[paganus]

'think good things and good things will happen to you' it reminds me in a way of 'MY NAME IS EARL'- 'do good things and good things will happen to you'

[john67]

i am and have been a big believer in the LOA for a long time. However i think the Secret movie is pretty crap. If anybody has read Talbot's holographic Universe they will realise that he is saying pretty much the same thing (without the dumbing down). IMO the Secret is exactly what it says it is, somebody making a fortune by 'selling' this 'idea' to marketing and sales people.

The secret is all about materialism, which is why it comes accross as a bit american and cheesy, whereas one of the first thing i learned about LOA is that you need to spend regular time concentrating on WHAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT, and that is not allways something material.

I am not a believer in 'channeling' per se, in fact i would go so far as to say that channelers are more or less meglomaniac egocentric nutcases. But i would reccomend listening to the Abraham-hicks stuff about the Law of Attraction, you can buy the stuff on their website or you can download it for free via torrent. I personally think that all the stage management/channeling is utter bollocks, BUT the information is very good and more imprtantly, IT DOES work.

Like i stated earlier, Talbot's Holographic Universe says exactly the same thing in between the lines.

just my tuppence..

[siscid]

I do agree with what Drael is saying on how The Secret doesn't really tell you that much at all. From reading that, I also have to mention the movie doesn't tell you another important part, which is how to re-condition yourself from the really old patterns that are stored very deeply which keep control of what you are getting and how you are thinking.

[paganus]

i would recommend googling 'the secret' theres some interesting sites on it!

[damagedbrainn]

It's a despicable book that implicitly excuses the suffering of others and glorifies the wealthy.

We create our own reality, huh? I guess all those who live in crushing poverty must just be a bunch of negative-nellies, while all those with wealth and material success must be the most positive people in the world. That's the underlying message of "The Secret".

It's also just another rehashing of the New Thought movement that started in the early 20th century:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/index.htm

Hardly anything new, let alone a "secret".

[lizzy]

It's a despicable book that implicitly excuses the suffering of others and glorifies the wealthy.

We create our own reality, huh? I guess all those who live in crushing poverty must just be a bunch of negative-nellies, while all those with wealth and material success must be the most positive people in the world. That's the underlying message of "The Secret".

It's also just another rehashing of the New Thought movement that started in the early 20th century:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/index.htm

Hardly anything new, let alone a "secret".

hey db.

I AGREE WITH YOU. :cool:

[john67]

It's a despicable book that implicitly excuses the suffering of others and glorifies the wealthy.

We create our own reality, huh? I guess all those who live in crushing poverty must just be a bunch of negative-nellies, while all those with wealth and material success must be the most positive people in the world. That's the underlying message of "The Secret".

It's also just another rehashing of the New Thought movement that started in the early 20th century:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/index.htm

Hardly anything new, let alone a "secret".

Damagedbrain - very well named...

[thirdwave]

It's a despicable book that implicitly excuses the suffering of others and glorifies the wealthy.

We create our own reality, huh? I guess all those who live in crushing poverty must just be a bunch of negative-nellies, while all those with wealth and material success must be the most positive people in the world. That's the underlying message of "The Secret".

No, I dont think that is what it is saying at all... ok we can clearly see that it has been glossed up and funded and may well have dirty hands medal with it ...pushing to much on the physical emphasis of it all.. and leading people away from the things that really count in their lives other than what society makes them want... yes I'm happy to agree the DVD does this a little.

But I dont think it makes out that the poor are a bunch of negative nellies at all, allthough many of them probebly think that and turn it off 10 mind into it.... and hence never really learn anything.

It is just saying that they don't know any better,which is true.... they don't understand that if they had more knowledge on how our minds and how the universe works then they would not be sat where they were... this is not an attack on them or disrespect... its the truth.... No one says its easy, but when you understand how things work, you can use them and apply your self better, when you don't know how they work you often brake things and make use of things badly.... How many poor people do you know who have a possative outlook on life and reality? ... where do you think sayings like "To good to be true" ... "living in a dream world" ... "welcome to the real world" ... "no one said life would be easy" ....

you only have to look at the greedy people in the world (that "the secret" goes into) who prosper from this knowledge and see you don't have to be a positive lovely person to gain wealth and success, you just need to be positive about your self and your own life, that being said you have to live the world you create, and I like many others would much rather be surrounded by love and decent people, those who use evil to get what they want may have money, but they done have many things..... nothing to do with who is a better or worse person... just down to who understands something and who does not.


It's also just another rehashing of the New Thought movement that started in the early 20th century:
So what...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/index.htm

Hardly anything new, let alone a "secret".

Bush announced the NWO about 18 years ago, its still a secret to most.

[bigus_dickus]

"It is important, to realize, nevertheless, that we ALL create our own reality.
I have observed people who acept it at the beginning, but later seek to deny it,
when something they don't like happens. (...)
The word KARMA to me, is a way of saying that we create our own reality.(...)

yes, however infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion.

so, we don't create infinite love, we create illusions.

That simple philosophy will transform your life, and life on this planet.
And one last thing. What do you really want to do with your life?
OK, what are you waiting for?
JUST DO IT!"---I AM ME I AM FREE by DAVID ICKE :D :)

...said Aleister Crowley and David repeated.

but, there's more (much much more) to life than fulfilling my mundane and bodily desires with action and no second thought. we've been at the edge of destruction for behaving irrationally, by following this "do what thou wilt" idea without paying attention to the rest information.

as Malcom X said: "you can NOT do your own thing if your own thing is not the right thing"

drael's post is gold. drael (and others), you might want to take a look at these:
Solipsism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Solipsism syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.iep.utm.edu/s/solipsis.htm

[thirdwave]

as Malcom X said: "you can NOT do your own thing if your own thing is not the right thing"


but I also think, If you own thing is not the right thing, then its not REALLY your own thing.

[bigus_dickus]

but I also think, If you own thing is not the right thing, then its not REALLY your own thing.

then, you should also think "what is really my OWN thing? does it exist?"

[drael]

The makers of the movie secret are releasing a new movie next month, entitled "the moses code". They apparently focus much more on the giving nature of spirituality in manifestation, ie prayer white magick etc. There is a mass prayer excercise organised around the release of the movie - focused on peace in iraq. There is also some mention of the name of god. I must admit, despite being completely thrown off by the first movie, this looks like a promising revision. (although peace in iraq may not be what god wants, this is still fresh air). Nothing new, just pick up an ancient text and ur two steps ahead, but for the public conciousness, this might even be a good thing. I am now undecided, because this movie looks like it may address my issues. Time will tell...