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wake_up_bomb
07-03-2012, 12:28 AM
If you need any confirmation that the establishment doesn't want Ron Paul anywhere near the White House - if any were needed - go to this page:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17277353

Eventually in the video on the right-hand side, you will see an assessment of Ron Paul. Which begins...

"Imagine your quirky, opinionated old uncle running for President..."

...and ends...

"The blunt truth is that Ron Paul wonít win, and thatís because of a foreign policy thatís isolationist in the extreme".

Their summaries of the other three candidates are balanced and 'impartial'. Just what we've come to expect from the BBC...

tenzingnorgay
07-03-2012, 04:01 AM
Same old crap we've been hearing in the US for the last year. Most of it lies. Just goes to show that the same people who run the US also run the UK.

And no, he's not an isolationist. Refusing to attack other countries for no reason is not isolationsm.

ritchs
07-03-2012, 07:13 AM
We sure have traveled a long distance

Ron Paul wants to audit the Fed, bring the troops home, end foreign aid,
stop the wars. He is an extremist. He is probably more than eligible to be put on a 'watch list' by Homeland Security

Just Think about that

The only sane candidate is a lunatic according to the regime changers who want to infiltrate (terrorism through internal undermining of a country) countries and foment civil unrest

If they could get away with it, they would put him in leg-irons and water board him


We are now in uncharted waters

consciousness
07-03-2012, 07:20 AM
Same old crap we've been hearing in the US for the last year. Most of it lies. Just goes to show that the same people who run the US also run the UK.

And no, he's not an isolationist. Refusing to attack other countries for no reason is not isolationsm.

Correct. He's putting America first. An old political policy of putting your own country first, but a good one.

carlo_caci
07-03-2012, 10:03 AM
I admire ron paul and will sing his praises but i have lost faith in the general public, they are simply to stupid.

ron paul is the ONLY realistic solution to the ecenomic mess. personally i would love venus project style life but it is lightyears ahead of the public mindset. Ron paul would sort out many basic flaws and i hope then america would set an example for others

oh and when i say the public is generally stupid i am also including the idiots who think wars are for saftey or that ron paul is a marxist or that corporations will be free to be be bigger and more corrupt or that RP is racist or any of the other propaganda fuelled bullshit

herzmeister
07-03-2012, 11:50 PM
ron paul is a marxist

lol? who said *that*?

martg
07-03-2012, 11:57 PM
If you need any confirmation that the establishment doesn't want Ron Paul anywhere near the White House - if any were needed - go to this page:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17277353

Eventually in the video on the right-hand side, you will see an assessment of Ron Paul. Which begins...

"Imagine your quirky, opinionated old uncle running for President..."

...and ends...

"The blunt truth is that Ron Paul won’t win, and that’s because of a foreign policy that’s isolationist in the extreme".

Their summaries of the other three candidates are balanced and 'impartial'. Just what we've come to expect from the BBC...

They're right about one thing, Ron Paul won't win
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP2BjpIYJLw
I know it's just a joke, doesn't mean it isn't true

fast eddie
09-03-2012, 04:24 PM
If you need any confirmation that the establishment doesn't want Ron Paul anywhere near the White House - if any were needed - go to this page:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17277353



Here's the best hit piece on Dr. Paul yet.

Ron Paul, President of the Internet

http://www.dailypaul.com/219432/yahoo-ron-paul-president-of-the-internet

Ron Paul, President of the Internet! Hail to the online chief! Four more years!

Ron Paul. Elfin ob-gyn goldbug. Ayn Randian. Foe of war, abortion and government. Texan. Rejector of Medicaid, rejector of Medicare. Climate-change skeptic. Keeper of odd company. Espouser of tendentious views."



This is an example of real unbiased journalism, right?

The real truth is that Dr. Paul has almost as many delegates as Romney. Furthermore, about 50% of the people I know in the "real" world (not the Internet) are going to vote for Paul, even if it means writing his name in. If Paul is not on the ballot (which he almost certainly will not be), he will likely set a record for write in votes.

The gig is almost up in the US. Even the lazy, fat, stupid Americans are starting to smell the coffee. Either the gubment is going to collapse financially, or the Fed is going to QE the dollar into oblivion. And wait until all the petrodollars start going back into circulation! It's curtains.

The rhetoric here in the US is vitriolic, divisive, and staggeringly stupid.

fast eddie
09-03-2012, 05:27 PM
Here's the best hit piece on Dr. Paul yet.

Ron Paul, President of the Internet

http://www.dailypaul.com/219432/yahoo-ron-paul-president-of-the-internet



This is an example of real unbiased journalism, right?

The real truth is that Dr. Paul has almost as many delegates as Romney. Furthermore, about 50% of the people I know in the "real" world (not the Internet) are going to vote for Paul, even if it means writing his name in. If Paul is not on the ballot (which he almost certainly will not be), he will likely set a record for write in votes.

The gig is almost up in the US. Even the lazy, fat, stupid Americans are starting to smell the coffee. Either the gubment is going to collapse financially, or the Fed is going to QE the dollar into oblivion. And wait until all the petrodollars start going back into circulation! It's curtains.

The rhetoric here in the US is vitriolic, divisive, and staggeringly stupid.

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-s-pointless-internet-presidency.html

rationalenquirer
09-03-2012, 06:04 PM
We sure have traveled a long distance

Ron Paul wants to audit the Fed, bring the troops home, end foreign aid,
stop the wars. He is an extremist. He is probably more than eligible to be put on a 'watch list' by Homeland Security

Just Think about that

The only sane candidate is a lunatic according to the regime changers who want to infiltrate (terrorism through internal undermining of a country) countries and foment civil unrest

If they could get away with it, they would put him in leg-irons and water board him


We are now in uncharted waters

Love your idea about the only sane candidate being a lunatic!

Anyone here read Catch -22? It reminds me of this; the original Catch-22 being:

Anyone considered insane would not have to fly anymore missions and would be sent home from the war. This judgement could only be made if requested by the person themself.

If you carried on flying missions without asking to be sent home you were insane, as you were almost certainly going to die.

If you asked to be sent home, you were certainly sane, and would therefore have to carry on flying more missions, and almost certainly going to die.

wake_up_bomb
09-03-2012, 06:27 PM
Here's the best hit piece on Dr. Paul yet.

Ron Paul, President of the Internet

http://www.dailypaul.com/219432/yahoo-ron-paul-president-of-the-internetThat is pretty bad, but it doesn't surprise me at all.

Love your idea about the only sane candidate being a lunatic!

Anyone here read Catch -22? It reminds me of this; the original Catch-22 being:

Anyone considered insane would not have to fly anymore missions and would be sent home from the war. This judgement could only be made if requested by the person themself.

If you carried on flying missions without asking to be sent home you were insane, as you were almost certainly going to die.

If you asked to be sent home, you were certainly sane, and would therefore have to carry on flying more missions, and almost certainly going to die.You possibly haven't seen the film, or didn't notice, but my avatar is from the film version of Catch-22. It's my favourite book. Here's the section from the film to which you refer:

Catch 22 Its the best there is.mpg - YouTube

rationalenquirer
09-03-2012, 07:36 PM
That is pretty bad, but it doesn't surprise me at all.

You possibly haven't seen the film, or didn't notice, but my avatar is from the film version of Catch-22. It's my favourite book. Here's the section from the film to which you refer:

Catch 22 Its the best there is.mpg - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln81Y87DHQA)

You have impeccable taste in films.

Have you also read Slaghterhouse 5. An interesting one. It exposes the allied lies about the firebombing of Dresden................but also goes on a riff about aliens manipulating the human race! Waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of its time.

wake_up_bomb
09-03-2012, 08:16 PM
You have impeccable taste in films.

Have you also read Slaghterhouse 5. An interesting one. It exposes the allied lies about the firebombing of Dresden................but also goes on a riff about aliens manipulating the human race! Waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of its time.I haven't read Slaughterhouse 5, but it's on my list of books to read before I die. I'll have to move it up the list based on what you've said.

believenothing
09-03-2012, 09:57 PM
Does RP really have as many delegates as Romney, or is that just wishful thinking?

Newt is probably going to exit the race at some point in the near future. He is being pressured to drop out right now.

After tomorrow there is only like 5 Caucuses left. The reset are primaries and a good amount of them are winner-take-all. California and Texas will be pretty huge, but they don't come up for a while.

RP says he is not quitting, fundies hate Mormons and will vote for Santorum, Romney will likely remain a narrow front runner. Thing is that Romney is almost half way to accumulating the required 1,144 delegates. It's nearly impossible for Newt to even stay along at this point unless he has a strategy like RP where RP folks are being selected as delegates. That strategy requires that Romney not get 1,144 delegates or it won't work. (unbound)

If Newt drops out, Romney will likely get 1,144 delegates. The RP campaign has made their strategy well known and even the MSM have picked up on it. They aren't convinced that as many RP folks are being selected as RP folks are and I'm inclined to believe the RP folks on this one going in there wearing Romney and Santorum badges and waiting around to be selected. But it will only work if Romney doesn't get 1,144 delegates and the establishment will find a way to make it happen.

Going by Romney's estimated total, Romney needs to receive exactly 50% of the remaining delegates available. If Newt stays in the race, it will be difficult for Romney to do this.

mr_i_disagree
10-03-2012, 02:29 AM
other than ron paul won zero - zilch - nada - what would you like them to say?
he is available for porn?
i have as many votes as that monkey skeleton

tenzingnorgay
10-03-2012, 03:42 AM
Correct. He's putting America first. An old political policy of putting your own country first, but a good one.

People are not recognizing it for what it is because they haven't seen it for so long. I think John F kennedy genuinely cared about the US. I'm not sure many presidential candidates have since Kennedy was killed.

ritchs
10-03-2012, 10:10 AM
People are not recognizing it for what it is because they haven't seen it for so long. I think John F kennedy genuinely cared about the US. I'm not sure many presidential candidates have since Kennedy was killed.

Even though he moved in the circles of the elite, his heart was with the people. That is why he made Bobby his bother the attorney general, he needed someone he could trust in that spot and was accused of nepotism. He was fully aware of Hoover and all the dirty filthy tricks being played. But he was naive enough to try to go to bat for the little people. His father swam with the sharks, insiders from the mob, pulled strings and bought him the election. He womanized but that didn't make him a bad man. Eisenhower was probably a bit tainted, had a mistress, but they still did more right things than wrong things. After LBJ, a crooks crook, left and Nixon came on board, things really slid down the slope and accelerated very rapidly after Reagan. Now its a nest of vipers. We are offically a Banana Republic where you can settle traffic tickets on the street with cash. Very very fucked up and FUBAR. We are teetering on the verge of a police state and the people can only watch knowingly in slackjawed dumbstruck stupefied jackass awe at each passing day. Secretly prepping and buying weapons, hoping against hope that there will be a auspicious change. Yeah right. The tv blares nonsense and the people know that its is nonsense , the moment of truth is upon us soon

tenzingnorgay
10-03-2012, 05:01 PM
Even though he moved in the circles of the elite, his heart was with the people. That is why he made Bobby his bother the attorney general, he needed someone he could trust in that spot and was accused of nepotism. He was fully aware of Hoover and all the dirty filthy tricks being played. But he was naive enough to try to go to bat for the little people. His father swam with the sharks, insiders from the mob, pulled strings and bought him the election. He womanized but that didn't make him a bad man. Eisenhower was probably a bit tainted, had a mistress, but they still did more right things than wrong things. After LBJ, a crooks crook, left and Nixon came on board, things really slid down the slope and accelerated very rapidly after Reagan. Now its a nest of vipers. We are offically a Banana Republic where you can settle traffic tickets on the street with cash. Very very fucked up and FUBAR. We are teetering on the verge of a police state and the people can only watch knowingly in slackjawed dumbstruck stupefied jackass awe at each passing day. Secretly prepping and buying weapons, hoping against hope that there will be a auspicious change. Yeah right. The tv blares nonsense and the people know that its is nonsense , the moment of truth is upon us soon

+1

springcleaningyet
11-03-2012, 02:30 AM
Since it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Paul will not win (he wouldn't be allowed to win), what do you guys think is next for America? I can't envision a scenario where the people finally decide to roll out of bed and do some housekeeping, so it looks like we are all pretty good and fucked. Maybe I'm being overly dramatic, but I think it's self-evident that things will get a lot worse before they get any better, seeing as how most people think things are OK as they are now. But back to my question. What will happen to America? Destruction via WWIII? Via the economy? A prolonged period of "limbo", like the state we are currently in, just waiting for the next shoe to drop?

ritchs
11-03-2012, 09:48 AM
It really takes a lot to make people go to the streets like crazed chimpanzees. Hard to say whats next on the radar. They keep trying to move the line inch by inch. They have enacted a massive amount of laws that are against the constitution. But they have not gone the next step, and that is, tightening the noose and enforcing them. Thats a very very big leap, between saying you have the legal right to do something (that really isn't right nor legal) to actually making the move to do it. A few cops in riot gear patrolling the subway versus grabbing everyones nuts on the way to work every single day in a total frisk. Presently its only done at the airport, involving a small segment of the public that flies.

This involves a phenomena know as the "Tipping Point"

Tipping point (sociology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and "Critical Mass"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass_%28sociodynamics%29

springcleaningyet
11-03-2012, 05:22 PM
I'm vaguely familiar with these concepts. I just hope the people get their tipping point/critical mass before the control system does. Maybe that will be impossible, but it would be nice.