Zero Point Energy

[Anders Lindman]

Zero point energy (ZPE) seems to be something real. Even NASA has described it on their website.

One thing that I have to come to suspect is that ZPE is so extremely dangerous that it has been fiercely suppressed for a long time.

Even the whole education system may have been steered in a way so that this technology does not come into the hands of the public. Take for example the inability of scientists to unify the general relativity theory with quantum mechanics. Maybe that really is difficult, but on the other hand, maybe science on purpose has been guided in a direction to prevent ZPE to be discovered? :confused:

Dr. Greer talked about surveillance equipment that could detect if the zero point field was tapped into anywhere on the planet. Hmm... I wonder.

[Anders Lindman]

I haven't had much formal education in physics, and what I was taught I just swallowed hook, line and sinker. But now that I think of it, things like inertia and the possibility of an aether comes to mind. Isn't inertia really the resistance of the aether acting on a physical object? The idea of an aether was abandoned a long time ago. Was that on purpose? As a means of diverting science?

[Anders Lindman]

Well, whaddayaknow! I did a quick web search. The aether theory hasn't been totally abandoned:

"Less cautious about his predictions was the late Dr. Eugene Mallove, who held a B.S. and M.S. in aeronautics and astronomy from the MIT and a Ph.D in environmental health sciences from Harvard University. His hypothesis was similar to Haisch's, but revolved around the existence of "aether." "Basically, aether energy is at the root of everything. The aether is responsible for the creation and destruction of matter, it is responsible for life itself," said Mallove in his last interview in 2004, just prior to his death."

From: http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/zero_point.shtml

[Anders Lindman]

As if that wasn't enough. Consider:

"To quote 'Einstein And The Ether' by Ludwick Kostro, "For the first time, however, there emerged a concept of a new, non-stationary aether which would not violate the relativity principle." In fact Kostro quotes Einstein from a deleted section of an article for 'Nature' in 1920 "Therefore, in 1905, I was of the opinion that it was no longer allowed to speak about the ether in physics. This opinion, however, was too radical, as we will see later when we discuss the general theory of relativity. It is still permissible, as before, to introduce a medium filling space and to assume that the electromagnetic fields (and matter as well) are its states."

From: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=132325

[drael]

Aether stays alive in torsion/scalar theory.

Which accounts for zero-point energy, and free-energy devices are supposed to have been built on torsion/scalar science, as u are probably aware, based on this free energy (like beardens for example).

Of course the level of energy produced by such devices, while over input is still relatively low, perhaps enough to power a household or similar - although thats whats known publicy, and certainly the potential is much higher.

In fact, theres a suprising number of holes in mainstream quatum science which are satisfied with these other theories (like effects at a distance) - not to mention the fact these theories explain everything from UFO anti-grav to psychic abilites.

The clincher is now, with the dissolution of the russian empire, and torsion research performed during the cold war coming out to the open, and the advent of the internet - its gonna be hard for them to keep a lid on it now. Okay when its a few fringe magazines and rare books. Now u just hit "torsion science" on google and get a whole bunch of scientific documents, theories, equations and experiments.

I recommend anyone interested in alt science check out david wilcocks e-books, particularly "divine cosmos". It puts alot of all this russian research together, and explains it very well. I mean if u read bearden or greer, or the russian science itself, u need serious technical knowledge in order to get what it actually means. With wilcock, its plain english, with the various foundational experiments. Once u grasp all the concepts, u can then read the others research and make some sense of it. Its the only thing ive found that makes the mechanisms and concepts clear, and also gives reasonable evidence.

Theres some interesting modern research as well. Theres a russian whos mainly doing generators etc, but also studies "place of power", where UFOs are often seen, and things like time. You can buy torsion generators from his site, although they are expensive. He calls it "axion" rather than "torsion", but its the same. There another who has set up a large company doing research on an anti-grav personal transporter with other later ambitions. Fortunately for them, torsion science is fairly well known in russia, and its been published for years, so if they go missing people will actually ask questions. But no doubt this kind of research will still be "slowed" or "halted" to whatever degree possible. (there is a commission in russia to "debunk" it, but they really dont do a very good job, its kinda laughable if u know the research)

Aether interesting was dismissed by a weird experiment to do with the earths rotation supposedly slowing in space, that really didnt relate to the theory at all as far as im aware. After that one experiment, it was taboo.

Not only is there ample technologies hidden here, free energy, anti-grav high-speed transport, powerful medicine, weapons beyond our dreams, instant communications, but also the nature of our reality (ie other levels of reality).

[Anders Lindman]

In fact, theres a suprising number of holes in mainstream quatum science which are satisfied with these other theories (like effects at a distance) - not to mention the fact these theories explain everything from UFO anti-grav to psychic abilites.


That's what I suspected. That the general relativity theory and quantum mechanics have been deliberately held apart.


The clincher is now, with the dissolution of the russian empire, and torsion research performed during the cold war coming out to the open, and the advent of the internet - its gonna be hard for them to keep a lid on it now. Okay when its a few fringe magazines and rare books. Now u just hit "torsion science" on google and get a whole bunch of scientific documents, theories, equations and experiments.


Torsion science could itself be a deliberate diversion, but it could be the missing piece of the puzzle for a unified theory.


Aether interesting was dismissed by a weird experiment to do with the earths rotation supposedly slowing in space, that really didnt relate to the theory at all as far as im aware. After that one experiment, it was taboo.


Yes, I recently heard about that. Very suspicious.

[Anders Lindman]

"Certainly, from the standpoint of the special theory of relativity, the ether hypothesis appears at first to be an empty hypothesis. ... But on the other hand there is a weighty argument to be adduced in favour of the ether hypothesis. To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical qualities whatever. The fundamental facts of mechanics do not harmonize with this view." -- Albert Einstein

From: http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

[Anders Lindman]

"In 1926, with the publication of his periodic charts in The Universal One, he [Walter Russel] predicted the existence of deuterium and tritium as well as all the transuranium elements such as plutonium and neptunium."

"Although the exact time and occasion of their meeting has not yet been determined, Nikola Tesla and Walter Russell did meet and discuss their respective cosmologies. Tesla recognized the wisdom and power of Russells' teaching and urged Russell to lock up his knowledge in a safe for 1,000 years until man was ready for it."

"In the fall of 1959, General Chapman, Colonel Fry, Major Sargent, Major Cripe, and others from NORAD in Colorado Springs, attended a meeting at Swannanoa, Virginia (University Of Science And Philosophy) at the invitation of Walter Russell. At this meeting Russell explained the workings of a device he proposed to build to take advantage of the vacuum state energy, and the two directional movement of energy from gravitation, (generation), to radiation, (degeneration). During the following year Russell, his wife, Lao, and their assistants built the device. The prototype that was built consisted of two sets of dual and magnetically-sexed coils. On September 10, 1961, Walter and Lao Russell reported to their contacts at NORAD, that the coils had worked and that the President of the United States could announce to the world that a "greater, safer power than atomic energy" could be provided for industry and transportation."

From: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Walter_Russell

[cruise4]

Now you are getting it Anders. Its all true and its all been supressed. I know this for a fact. I have gigabytes of information about it. This site alone takes days and days to go through: http://panaceauniversity.org/

So don't let people like adimon or gosh or whoever blind you with nonsense posts about current political nonsense which are designed to waste your time and keep you in the status quo.

[kblood]

TRANSFORMERS, MOTORS and ENERGY-EFFICIENT POWER

A motor based on the Rodin Coil is far more efficient than a conventional electric motor. The Rodin Coil produces so much more magnetism that a minimum 20% reduction in copper can be achieved, translating into tremendous weight reduction and savings in material. Rodin has a team capable of producing super-efficient motors with much lower power consumption than conventional motors. These motors could be incorporated into a product as small as a ceiling fan or as large as a power plant. An existing prototype of a ceiling fan presently tests 600% more efficient than a box fan. This will probably increase when manufactured with fine materials.



There is considerable loss of energy in conventional electric motors since they produce heat. For example, the standard Edison bulb has 90% loss of energy.



Only 10% of the energy produced is converted into light. In a motor based on the Rodin Coil, the heat produced is minimal due to the Rodin Coil’Äôs ability to concentrate magnetic energy at it its core far more efficiently than any device presently existing. Moreover, the Rodin Coil device is extremely durable and efficient.

http://www.rodinmath.com/

If all the stuff said on that site about the Rodin Coil isnt just a clever sales gimmick, then it seems a good step closer to free energy. Reducing the energy useage of the stuff we use today is an important step to making free energy a reality. Having some device make unlimited energy, might only make it in a set amount of energy, so if the device needing the energy also needs less energy to do the same stuff, then that is of course a very important step. Every year it seems we have major breakthroughs with everything when it comes to energy consumption. Light bulbs consume less power, glows brighter and lasts longer, refrigiators consumes less power, computers could consume less power, but also keeps becomming more and more powerfull. They are getting much more efficient per watt though.

We have some very nice videos about zero point energy somewhere on the forum. I will try finding them again.

[Anders Lindman]

Now you are getting it Anders. Its all true and its all been supressed. I know this for a fact. I have gigabytes of information about it. This site alone takes days and days to go through: http://panaceauniversity.org/

So don't let people like adimon or gosh or whoever blind you with nonsense posts about current political nonsense which are designed to waste your time and keep you in the status quo.

Wow, that's a lot of info. I'm too lazy to go through too much info. But I will check if mainstream media has reported something about ZPE.

[Anders Lindman]

We have some very nice videos about zero point energy somewhere on the forum. I will try finding them again.

I have done some quick video searches and there are some interesting videos, but not many new videos. I will search a bit more.

[kblood]

Race to Zero Point (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7365305906535911834&q=free+energy+the+race+to+zero+point&total=17&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

Kadamose started this thread about it:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9343

Free Energy - Zero-Point Energy Extraction from the Quantum Vacuum (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5738531568036565057&q=zero+point+energy&total=1138&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Usefull links to do a bit of research about it yourself:
http://www.zpenergy.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
http://www.cheniere.org/
http://www.physorg.com/news88256526.html - Dark energy may be vacuum?

There is so much about it. This was a bit of what I have found good info about it.

[kblood]

I have done some quick video searches and there are some interesting videos, but not many new videos. I will search a bit more.

Yea... sadly it seems a very secret or covered up area of research. The people who seemed to have figured it out and at the same time gone public with it or tried getting it mass produced has been silenced somehow.

[Anders Lindman]

Yea... sadly it seems a very secret or covered up area of research. The people who seemed to have figured it out and at the same time gone public with it or tried getting it mass produced has been silenced somehow.

That fits with my suspicion that zero point energy is an extremely dangerous technology in the wrong hands. If true, then that is very frustrating. How to release zero point energy into the public markets and at the same time make sure that nobody creates a zero point energy bomb and blows up the whole planet? :confused:

[Anders Lindman]

One way of dealing with the zero point field should theoretically be possible through consciousness. The zero point field is everywhere, and consciousness is connected to the brain and the body and the rest of time and space.

So instead of going into the (possibly) extremely frustrating task of trying to think about this problem to instead start to tap into the zero point field directly from within oneself.

Now, that should be one hell of a meditation. :D

[kblood]

That fits with my suspicion that zero point energy is an extremely dangerous technology in the wrong hands. If true, then that is very frustrating. How to release zero point energy into the public markets and at the same time make sure that nobody creates a zero point energy bomb and blows up the whole planet? :confused:

Yea, some effects caused by experimenting with zero point energy it seems. Some metals becomming other metals and stuff like that. Not limited to metals alone. I think it was Nicola Tesla himself that claimed this kind of technology could make weapons capable of cutting the Earth in two. A zero point energy bomb would make a black hole I guess... which probably would be a bad thing.

There could be many reasons for it being covered up, but I guess when trying to think of the world as having overall good people, then the weapons that could be made with ZPE is the major problem with making it public.

That reason alone makes me quite sure that the Rodin Coil isnt making ZPE itself, but maybe it could with the right equipment attached.

I believe ZPE also holds the secrets behind technologies for: Teleportation, anti gravity and maybe invisibility.

Take a look at a UFO, doesnt it seem to be running like a vortex? A vortex is basicly a tornado.
http://www.crystalinks.com/polesshiftasis2.jpg
I ought to have payed more attention to this I think, but I was looking through several threads at the same time and at the time I didnt really think much about the nice picture of Earth and its vortex here.

I got it from: http://www.crystalinks.com/hermes.html
Which links to: http://www.crystalinks.com/zeropoint.html

So I might as well go on explaining the theory behind what Zero Point is on its own. Zero point is sometimes referered to as our spiritual center.

"Each individual human consciousness is simply a zero-point of awareness(at the source and center of its triune Monad) reflecting directly from,and entangled with the initial zero-point of initial Cosmic awareness.
http://www.zeropoint.ca/ZeropointDynamics.htm

Spiritual center as the source of our individuality and self awareness. Therefore also a quite important topic for AI research, but my point is we all have this zero point and it is what most of all connects us with everything. Everything seems to have a zero point. Atoms, galaxies, solar systems, and our planet as the above picture shows. Above and below this zero point there is a vortex, at least in the ones that can be seen as a ball in our universe, on a macro or micro scale, i.e. our planet, galaxies (a bit blured), atoms...

So zero points and vortexes is everywhere :) I believe and it seems to be the common theory about it as well, that zero point energy is free/infinite energy because it draws upon infiniti or more exactly the whole universe as a source of energy. How much can be extracted at one place at one time is probably limit, or has catastrophic consequences.

Its basicly dividing by zero, and I read someone who said, "Black holes are made when god does a divide by zero." ;) So black holes might not be an unlikely outcome when toying with that kind of energy source.

Even more related sources:
http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Zero_Point_Energy
http://www.zeropoint.ca/
Zero point and Kundalini (http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=BiologicalRelationtoZero-Point)

[Anders Lindman]

A zero point energy bomb would make a black hole I guess... which probably would be a bad thing.


lol. Yepp, that sounds a bit dangerous. On the other hand, maybe things cannot get infinitely small and that there is a smallest size such as the Planck length. But cutting the Earth in two sounds bad enough. :D

[kblood]

Now you are getting it Anders. Its all true and its all been supressed. I know this for a fact. I have gigabytes of information about it. This site alone takes days and days to go through: http://panaceauniversity.org/

So don't let people like adimon or gosh or whoever blind you with nonsense posts about current political nonsense which are designed to waste your time and keep you in the status quo.

Nice site there :) I have been looking at it a bit, and all the good vids I have found about ZPE seems to be there, and a few more :)

Unfortunatly none can be bought. If I find any that can be bought, I guess there is a good chance for it being a con unfortunately.

Would be very nice finding a way to obtain a Rodin Coil or one of those free energy devices. It seems to me that the rodin coil together with one of the ZPE devices could work wonders.

Well, it seems quite weak in comparison, but http://www.homepower.com/home/ could be worth a look.

[guyblokeman]

[QUOTE=cruise4;277544]Now you are getting it Anders. Its all true and its all been supressed. I know this for a fact. I have gigabytes of information about it. This site alone takes days and days to go through: http://panaceauniversity.org/

QUOTE]

Q: Why doesnt some independant funder take up these miraculous inventions and make them?

A: BECAUSE THEY DONT WORK!!!!!!

You lot and your whacked out science, every 2 bit engineer in the world would be doing this if it were possible..

[kblood]

[QUOTE=cruise4;277544]Now you are getting it Anders. Its all true and its all been supressed. I know this for a fact. I have gigabytes of information about it. This site alone takes days and days to go through: http://panaceauniversity.org/

QUOTE]

Q: Why doesnt some independant funder take up these miraculous inventions and make them?

A: BECAUSE THEY DONT WORK!!!!!!

You lot and your whacked out science, every 2 bit engineer in the world would be doing this if it were possible..

Yea, of course, and where are the huge numbers of people proving these inventions to be bollocks? It would be quite easy, so where are they? Why do people even bother shutting the people down who make these devices, or put them in jail for no reason? Why dont they at least charge them of fraud?

[kblood]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3538.120

As I remembered, the Vril discs are counter rotating. Something that was quite a mystery, to me and the others as well from what I have read and seen. It seems the Rodin Coil gives a possible answer as to why that is. Why the counter rotating is so important :)

Its the vortex that needs to be made and used inside the disc. I have found alot of pages that says the Vril discs are pure disinfo, and the whole Vril society along with it, and I guess that could be true. A whole lot to back up the Vril society though in the Secrets of the 3rd reich video though.
secrets of the 3rd reich. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8291386537788537096&q=secrets+of+the+third+reich&total=94&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

[drael]

I havent read the links yet, but i will. Heres my impessions on your conversation.

Theres two spiral cones, or vortexs, one "in", one "out", both counter rotating (the in, goes counter clockwise, the out clockwise), thats the way the energy naturally flows, usually its up and down, but there are other congifurations, so including many "in"s and "outs" - making other 3d shapes. Or thats my take.

Things like anti-gravity, free energy and other "weird" effects, from my understanding, depend heavily on "geomtery", ie basically the configuration above, of ins and outs. Some people work out their geometries using fluid dynamics, and part trial and error ratios like bearden. Others calculate the nessasary geometries with the main equations of the russian science, although that becomes complex, and also a little theoretical. So your thinking the zero-point is basically raw, the basic di-pole? (ie two ends) perhaps theres some "magic" frequecy? With basic generators the russians found weird effects like a "space pinch", where objects would temporarliy disappear, at a certain level of energy/rotation etc. Past that point, no energy can go in or out. Perhaps theres a way to harness the energy of the pinch, while the "object" has dissappeared - u could send form form of collection device into the "disappearing" place?

Ill have to read those links...

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Yeah, to the person who said- why isnt everyone doing it?

well its not mainstream, ie not everyone knows about.

It completely different for regular engineering, uses fluid dynamics, geometery/ratios and other things. the science, in the mainstream at least, is still developing - lots of things are new.

Um, people like u dismiss it out of hand because of preconceived notions of reality, hence people rarely even check the facts...

This stuff is blowing up, especially in russia, and there is no credidable response to the research or evidence. Anything else in the world, and the skeptics etc would have a feild day already. To date : not a single objection to the actual theory - ie scientifically.

And people who say to much get killed. Theres plenty of suggestion the us govt has done this research, and also its known/public that the russians did this research secretly in the cold war.

There is lots of research, and experiment and theory, equations etc which you can reveiw and decide for yourself. Or you can do an actual experiment, and decide for yourself. If u buy or build a generator, and then a simple measuring device (they are quite easy to build), thats about as convinced as you can get, that these torsion waves, axion, or longtitunal waves are real. (It can pass through a vacuum, and any thickness of matter at long distance, making it as a force, completely distinct in character from the quatum forces). Theres no point in just saying "no it isnt real", without any actual knowledge of the theory, its equations or predictions etc.

Although that said i havent read the website really yet, just skimming now - not all of this "alt science" is connected. Torsion/scalar/bearden/greer/tesla/russias is. Theres some of that. And it does some very werid stuff. Theres plenty of alt science that isnt particulary based in theory or experiment, and always plent of hucksters selling weird devices and medicines. Id want to see their research, theory, or know their background in science before i jumped into buying anything "alt science" from a website or magazine.

[Anders Lindman]

Q: Why doesnt some independant funder take up these miraculous inventions and make them?

A: BECAUSE THEY DONT WORK!!!!!!

You lot and your whacked out science, every 2 bit engineer in the world would be doing this if it were possible..

You could be right, but if I was a scientist I wouldn't risk getting a bullet in the head.

Things like the string theory sounds like whacked out science to me. Isn't it pretty obvious that science has been lead astray? And that our school systems are on purpose made very stupid?

It's like a society that only uses weird and inefficinent tools and weird and inefficient theories. People in that society would think that theirs tools and theories were normal. Sure, they could be improved, but that was exactly what they were working on.

In the same way, a society that uses a weird and inefficient school system and a weird and inefficient mass media, would think that that was normal. Because that was what they always had been told.

[cruise4]

Another non-researcher/shill exposed. They work, they are being used and the proof is available to anyone that takes the time to look. Unfortunately exposure leads to financial collapse for the people raking in the dollars and directing the funding and grants and as scientists are currently mostly clueless about the Aether and media plus peer review processes all leads to lack of exposure.

Its all coming out soon though.

"You lot and your whacked out science, every 2 bit engineer in the world would be doing this if it were possible.."

They don't know about it. In case you haven't noticed this is suppressed information and only now starting to get widespread publication. Engineers are only a product of their own tuition and times. If you are so certain.... check the Bearden stuff out and refute it. You'll find you can't.

You lot and your whacked out conventionalism repeating. Luddite mentality!

[kblood]

Another non-researcher/shill exposed. They work, they are being used and the proof is available to anyone that takes the time to look. Unfortunately exposure leads to financial collapse for the people raking in the dollars and directing the funding and grants and as scientists are currently mostly clueless about the Aether and media plus peer review processes all leads to lack of exposure.

Its all coming out soon though.

"You lot and your whacked out science, every 2 bit engineer in the world would be doing this if it were possible.."

They don't know about it. In case you haven't noticed this is suppressed information and only now starting to get widespread publication. Engineers are only a product of their own tuition and times. If you are so certain.... check the Bearden stuff out and refute it. You'll find you can't.

You lot and your whacked out conventionalism repeating. Luddite mentality!

Hehe :) So true, every 2 bit engineer in the world would'nt dare going against the mainstream teachings. They know it might ruin their professional reputation.

On the other hand though, a guy like Marco Rodin, where can all the official praises of him be found? I have looked everywhere I can for evidence about Marco being a fraud, but I can only find people who just says he is by principle. "Hes asking for money and funding in his first vid, hes obviously a fraud...", Yes but he is also passing on his work to other researcers, at least he says so. I hope to see some of his projects become commercial.

[cruise4]

I heard the Navy was using his coils, but cannot remember where. I don't think many will admit to this tech at all. Its too important for their future plans to fool everyone, for it to get out. But they are too late. :D

Marco also said his work can be used for free. Its only if commercialised that he wants a third of it, which is fair enough. So if you or me made a few he wouldn't want anything. This needs to be the way of the future in my mind.

Hopefully Beardens MEG device will go on sale. Although I can't see how they can allow that. I suspect some of this kit isn't even hard to build and I'd give it go, but going survival and tinkering are mutually exclusive.

[kblood]

Im hoping to find a way to apply it to programming of games. His pattern at first sight seems quite usefull for a path finding script, the one that is called gods fingerprint :)

Its uses for zero point energy is very interesting though. I am trying to find pictures that shows a flying saucer design where the top and bottom of it counter rotate on each other. I have found quite alot of stuff that doesnt agree with anything about the Vril discs. Some quite good arguments as to why there were heavy losses on the expedition to Antarktis, which was simply that they capsized on icebergs. Problem is that there isnt any definite proof or disproof. The proof so far is said to have been manufactured for the sake of fiction about a vril society. I just find it wierd how well it fits with never research like Rodins, and older research like Teslas. And the third reich video seems to have quite good proof about it. Why would so many lie about it?

[kha zarr]

check out magnetic current by Ed Leedskalnin, John Hutchison's dirt cheap rocks, and Eckhard Kantz research on Marcus Reid's crystal Battery.

speaking of Hutchison, what ever happened to that ark of the covenant movie he was gonna make? anyone know? I was hoping to see that. Was Hutchison also involved in someone trying to sue him for originally coming up with a theory of antigravity before him or something?

Rodin coil very interesting, can see how it might be related to vril. Simple yet complex, omg its a vortex!

[guyblokeman]

Another non-researcher/shill exposed. They work, they are being used and the proof is available to anyone that takes the time to look.!

:rolleyes:
Not everythings a conspiracy ya know, and science is one area which is VERY hard to cover up.
Bearden is a known crank (google the crank index).

Gravity waves vibrating in higher dimensions have pretty much been found(see LIGO rsearch which Ive already posted, and you call me a shill?), this means gravity is not just a function of an electro-magnetic process and is actually another (among hundreds) of observational effects from the predictions of string theory.

Icke slags off science and the peer review by making it seem that science is purposefully trying to take us down the wrong road when this couldnt be further from the truth.
Does anyone here read any peer reviews? Does anyone here have any understanding of the implications of string theory?

String theory predicts a "free" zero point energy, which others are claiming devices made have been covered up (these claims im more likely to believe, its called rationality)

String theory predicts the higgs field which is one all enfolded field through which energy is transfered. (this can account for events claimed to be the Aether)

[dizzykush]

Vortex is within us too (chakra)

http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/vortexes.html
;)

[guyblokeman]

You want Bearden rebutted?

Here you go http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/Bearden-ch4.htm

He makes false assumptions based on simple mistakes.

Of course you wont believe me though...

Also Ill add Beardens "Phd" was self awarded for, as he puts it, "Life achievments and experiences!!" He brought it from a diploma mill called Trinity College and University—a British institution with no building, campus, faculty, or president, and run from a post office box in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

The blokes off his tits!!!

[naga]

Vortex is within us too (chakra)

http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/vortexes.html
;)

...therefore it is theorized how such energies are channeled. I've been reading theories that postulate the power behind Reiki and other forms of energy healings are in fact ZPF. This is of great interest to me as a Reiki practioner.

"The Zero Point Field or Universal Life Force Energy also provides a medium through which energy in the form of distance Reiki, prayer or shamanic healing can be delivered instantaneously to remote recipients.

Scientists are beginning to explore the possibility that the Universal Life Force Energy Field exhibits a cosmic consciousness in addition to its other qualities."

http://www.satyacenter.com/health-reiki-reiki-zero-point-field

[cruise4]

guyblokeman... is that all you've got?

[kblood]

You want Bearden rebutted?

Here you go http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/Bearden-ch4.htm

He makes false assumptions based on simple mistakes.

Of course you wont believe me though...

Also Ill add Beardens "Phd" was self awarded for, as he puts it, "Life achievments and experiences!!" He brought it from a diploma mill called Trinity College and University—a British institution with no building, campus, faculty, or president, and run from a post office box in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

The blokes off his tits!!!

Does that even have anything to do with zero points or vortexes? The rebuttal doesnt even seem to hold water, but then I guess there could be algebra involved that im not aware of... quite easily even :) But some it of goes against the algebra I do know.

I have been looking into zero points quite alot after figuring out what it was all about and how much it affects everything. What I found out was among other things that we have this vortex fields in us just like the Earth has one, our galaxy, solar system and just about everything that is alive.

Its easily proven that the Earth has a vortex and a zero point, but not as easy to prove with us I guess.

[frank1974]

The rebuttal of Bearden is false. Because of the person who's done it is still in a brainwashed state, so has totally failed to realise what the zero point field is. Sub quantum virtual particles. They're called 'virtual' because they exist for only an instant in time. The rebuttal only deals with physical matter, not with its precursor, the time before a particle exists and gains mass. Another way of putting it is that its the gateway from another dimension to our physical universe. Its the sea that our consciousness swims in.

[kblood]

The rebuttal of Bearden is false. Because of the person who's done it is still in a brainwashed state, so has totally failed to realise what the zero point field is. Sub quantum virtual particles. They're called 'virtual' because they exist for only an instant in time. The rebuttal only deals with physical matter, not with its precursor, the time before a particle exists and gains mass. Another way of putting it is that its the gateway from another dimension to our physical universe. Its the sea that our consciousness swims in.

I agree, and it is also somewhat commonly known as aether. Something Einstein agrees with, although many have tried claiming Einsteins theories doesnt have it in them to account for the Aether. The Aether is the impossible in mass though, which is why its logical it wont fit into Einsteins formulas, since they are beyond matter, even the matter refered to as particles, light, photons and such. Aether is the state between being matter/energy and actually making a negative matter. Everything we know to exist and is able to measure can be said to be above 0, or nothing. Therefore measurable. Aether and all substance close to it have a way of not being measurable.

There is substance that seems to be very close to aether, and might even be flipping from opposite states of aether. One of them could be the stuff known as monatomic gold. There is also some other stuff I dont remember whats cold, but basicly they are a mix of metals or metal atoms. Im not really sure what to make of them, but they have been found superconductive, so I guess all the most superconductive matter there is, is somewhat this kind of stuff. It is said to be able to disappear from sight and measureability, to reappear again, as if it phases in and out of our reality. So maybe there is a parallel uniververse to ours, where everything is oppositely affected in some way.

[kblood]

About humans and living beings having vortexes, I guess it might actually be somewhat provable, or at least can be shown that we probably are based on a zero point with a vortex around it. Look at the first state of every living being. When first the seemen and the egg gets together they become the zero point of a new being. The first days and maybe even months of our growth does seem to follow the streams of a vortex, if Im not mistaken.

Every egg is round. And is there a position called foster position? Its when you curl up as a ball, taking your legs up under your chin, and we become a ball like shape. When we grow, this is how we are lying, because it is the most logical way of the first energy that makes us to flow. I dont know if there are any vids to prove it on youtube or such.

Anyone who care to give their oppinion on this idea?

[cruise4]

The idea that the penis penetrated the event horizon of the female etc. That other guy on another thread, can't remember his name, was going on about this. Did you watch that film kblood? Nasseim or something. What did you think? Is sperm and inter-dimensional being? :D

[kblood]

The idea that the penis penetrated the event horizon of the female etc. That other guy on another thread, can't remember his name, was going on about this. Did you watch that film kblood? Nasseim or something. What did you think? Is sperm and inter-dimensional being? :D

ahh that one.. I downloaded all 4 hours of it, but havent had time to watch it yet. Just worked 13 hours straight today... and tomorrow I have plans with my brother... maybe friday. Plans for the weekend as well. And I am a nerd... I almost feel social :eek: I will make sure to have less of a life next week so I can find time to watch it :D It certainly sounds interesting. Is it going beyond the stuff that Rodin is on about and put into practical theory?

[cruise4]

"Is it going beyond the stuff that Rodin is on about and put into practical theory?"

Beyond is arguable... but it certainly relates... Toroids, Geometry, crystalline structure, chaos theory, black holes, event horizons, infinity etc. Should be right up your street. Wish the other films were up, Mind you I took issue with a few points he raises but see what you think.

[angelmoon]

i was reading about the Hutchinson effect being described as zero point energy and the role it may have played in 9/11 it was on DrJudyWoods site totally fascinated me is this what you boffins are talking about?:confused:

[cruise4]

No, not really angelmoon. If you want to know what we are talking about say here and I'll search and post some links to Rodin and some other good stuff.

[angelmoon]

No, not really angelmoon. If you want to know what we are talking about say here and I'll search and post some links to Rodin and some other good stuff.

yes that would be kind of you, looks like heavy stuff ,im expecting it's going to be another late night lol x x :D

[cruise4]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15910&highlight=Mathematics


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18769&highlight=Oneness

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20394

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13766&highlight=Bruce+cathie

Convergence
http://www.dprins.demon.nl/convergence/index.html

Check out www.divinecosmos.com for other information and books

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20321&highlight=Bearden

Should get you started :D

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