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[thecatsmeow]

Chemtrails (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=202078)

Originally Posted by dude111
Anything we can do to stop this insanity somehow??


I'm glad you asked me that. I think the best way to fight this is going to be to collate evidence based on samples tested in a laboratory. What we need are people knowledgeable about this kind of thing to be able to tell us how to go about it and who we can trust to give us the genuine results of what we find. Once that's in place we can focus on presenting the evidence to our MP's and asking them what they are going to do to get this fiasco stopped.

[mikiko]

Chemtrails (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=202078)

Originally Posted by dude111
Anything we can do to stop this insanity somehow??


I'm glad you asked me that. I think the best way to fight this is going to be to collate evidence based on samples tested in a laboratory. What we need are people knowledgeable about this kind of thing to be able to tell us how to go about it and who we can trust to give us the genuine results of what we find. Once that's in place we can focus on presenting the evidence to our MP's and asking them what they are going to do to get this fiasco stopped.

You may be wasting your time. Even if you find someone who will test the rain water. You will still have to prove how the barium, aluminium and all the other crap got into the rainwater.

Waking up the masses is the only way we can find this insanity.

[thecatsmeow]

You may be wasting your time. Even if you find someone who will test the rain water. You will still have to prove how the barium, aluminium and all the other crap got into the rainwater.

Waking up the masses is the only way we can find this insanity.

Well, maybe the answer is to get ourselves tested at the NHS? After all, if there are high levels of these poisons in us they, surely, have to find out why?

[stupid]

You may be wasting your time. Even if you find someone who will test the rain water. You will still have to prove how the barium, aluminium and all the other crap got into the rainwater.

Waking up the masses is the only way we can find this insanity.

BA and AL get in the rain water because BA and AL are usually in the wind and air.
They are normal components of airborne dust...and therefore they end up in rain collectors.....which if you ask ANY atmospheric scientist...that is normal.

[rbl_4nik8r]

What happens if the tests don't come back the way you want them to?

Air Monitors are done with little pump that suck air thru a cartridge that has a thin membrane in it. The cartridges are changed every 4 hours, and this should be done over the course of a few days in different areas with no other types of pollutants. Like you don't want to place it in the middle of a highway at rush hour.

As for water samples they need to be taken in a sterile container, you don't want to gather water off a roof or even worse an Aluminum roof.



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[tzlr_17]

Well, maybe the answer is to get ourselves tested at the NHS? After all, if there are high levels of these poisons in us they, surely, have to find out why?

Why not? So many people claiming to being poisoned and I've yet to see a single one convinced enough to get a simple blood test done.

[tzlr_17]

Why not? So many people claiming to being poisoned and I've yet to see a single one convinced enough to get a simple blood test done.

Any takers?

[ronleroy]

Chemtrails (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=202078)

Originally Posted by dude111
Anything we can do to stop this insanity somehow??


I'm glad you asked me that. I think the best way to fight this is going to be to collate evidence based on samples tested in a laboratory. What we need are people knowledgeable about this kind of thing to be able to tell us how to go about it and who we can trust to give us the genuine results of what we find. Once that's in place we can focus on presenting the evidence to our MP's and asking them what they are going to do to get this fiasco stopped.
I am not a scientist, but got 6 years University education related to aviation. I tested some aviation engines and life support systems.
What we have now at the skies has nothing to do with normal condensational trail. Any trail not disappeared after 30 seconds is already a proof.

Normal condensational trail can exist only at the height more than 9 000 meters in summer and 8 000 in winter.It disappears in 20-30 seconds no matter what weather we have. Even 1 minute is not normal.

Now we can see trails which disappear in 2-3 minutes and another which you can see for hours, both are chemtrails, it is just different types of aerosols. Long lasting aerosols contains hight levels of alliminuim and barium particles. Fast disappearing aerosols are mostly made from drugs and viruses, some kind a mixture of toxic chemicals and biological components.

Normal contrail has a length about 20-30 times longer than a plane, disappears very fast and never change the color of the sky. It also appears not right after the engine but 5-10 meters behind the engine and contains only water in different states like vapour and ice crystals.

[tzlr_17]

Long lasting aerosols contains hight levels of alliminuim and barium particles. Fast disappearing aerosols are mostly made from drugs and viruses, some kind a mixture of toxic chemicals and biological components.

What is your evidence for this?

[sucahyo]

Why not? So many people claiming to being poisoned and I've yet to see a single one convinced enough to get a simple blood test done.Check some chemtrails group in facebook. I forgot which group, sorry. But you can always ask there.

Some get no aluminium but get barium, some get aluminium overdose.

[rakkoo]

you would think a pilot or an airport worker would know something?

this wouldnt go un- noticed if there was some one who stood next to aircraft and noticed extra fuel tank or other tank containg something, surely that would be questionable?#


i think by now some one would have spilled the beans on this subject?


theres enough conspiricy forums on the internet so why cant there be enough answers? True answers.

[ronleroy]

What is your evidence for this?

I stole it from airport and did a chemical analisys. I did few holes in pipelines they used to feed aircarft with aerosols, and later grabbed parts of broken pipilines from garbadge. It were some aerosol remainings inside pipelines.

[tzlr_17]

I stole it from airport and did a chemical analisys. I did few holes in pipelines they used to feed aircarft with aerosols, and later grabbed parts of broken pipilines from garbadge. It were some aerosol remainings inside pipelines.

I asked for evidence, not a verbal assertion.

[ronleroy]

I asked for evidence, not a verbal assertion.
What you expect, I will send you chemtrail aerosol via Royal mail:)

[mixedupjim]

Normal contrail has a length about 20-30 times longer than a plane, disappears very fast and never change the color of the sky. It also appears not right after the engine but 5-10 meters behind the engine and contains only water in different states like vapour and ice crystals.

If a normal contrail contains ice crystals and water vapour but dissappears very quickly, then why do we have persistant clouds which are made up of the same stuff? Shouldn't they dissappear quickly too?

[tzlr_17]

What you expect, I will send you chemtrail aerosol via Royal mail:)

Perhaps the following clarification will help:

ev·i·dence/ˈevədəns/
Noun:
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Verb:
Be or show evidence of.

[thecatsmeow]

I am not a scientist, but got 6 years University education related to aviation. I tested some aviation engines and life support systems.
What we have now at the skies has nothing to do with normal condensational trail. Any trail not disappeared after 30 seconds is already a proof.

Normal condensational trail can exist only at the height more than 9 000 meters in summer and 8 000 in winter.It disappears in 20-30 seconds no matter what weather we have. Even 1 minute is not normal.

Now we can see trails which disappear in 2-3 minutes and another which you can see for hours, both are chemtrails, it is just different types of aerosols. Long lasting aerosols contains hight levels of alliminuim and barium particles. Fast disappearing aerosols are mostly made from drugs and viruses, some kind a mixture of toxic chemicals and biological components.

Normal contrail has a length about 20-30 times longer than a plane, disappears very fast and never change the color of the sky. It also appears not right after the engine but 5-10 meters behind the engine and contains only water in different states like vapour and ice crystals.

Oh! Thank you so much! I wonder if there's anything you could do with the evidence? After all, those remains of pipes/aerosols, could be presented as evidence couldn't they? :)

[ronleroy]

If a normal contrail contains ice crystals and water vapour but dissappears very quickly, then why do we have persistant clouds which are made up of the same stuff? Shouldn't they dissappear quickly too?

It is not the same. Clouds are cold water vapour only. Condensation trail near engine is a hot water vapour and it is invisible. As soon as hot vapour condensates and looses its temperature it transforms into ice crystals, but never to cold water vapour.

Attitude is also important factor. Clouds doesn't exist at the height where condensation trail exists.

Chemtrails and chemclouds can be at any attitude. The current most common spraying pattern is to spray aerosols at the attutude where condensational trail exist. In most cases, they sparay above normal clouds. So if you see shapeless clouds at hight attitude - it is definetly chemclouds formed from aerosol particles.

[stupid]

It is not the same. Clouds are cold water vapour only. Condensation trail near engine is a hot water vapour and it is invisible. As soon as hot vapour condensates and looses its temperature it transforms into ice crystals, but never to cold water vapour.

Attitude is also important factor. Clouds doesn't exist at the height where condensation trail exists.

Chemtrails and chemclouds can be at any attitude. The current most common spraying pattern is to spray aerosols at the attutude where condensational trail exist. In most cases, they sparay above normal clouds. So if you see shapeless clouds at hight attitude - it is definetly chemclouds formed from aerosol particles.

Where did you learn this information ?
All of it is simply untrue.
Here's one place to start....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_cloud#Description

[ronleroy]

Where did you learn this information ?
All of it is simply untrue.
Here's one place to start....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_cloud#Description
This article about clouds is fabricated like many other artciles these days. If you want to get real information about clouds read something 20 years old.

I have one question for you, how much you paid to debunk truth about
chemtrails? Remember you and your famility also breath this junk.

[tzlr_17]

If you want to get real information about clouds read something 20 years old.

What literature are you referring to? You seem very confused.

[apollo_gnomon]

This article about clouds is fabricated like many other artciles these days. If you want to get real information about clouds read something 20 years old.

I have one question for you, how much you paid to debunk truth about
chemtrails? Remember you and your famility also breath this junk.

What specific facts about clouds in the wiki article are incorrect?

[rbl_4nik8r]

What specific facts about clouds in the wiki article are incorrect?

All of them there not 20 years old yet, and they need to be 21 to drink, so don't feed your clouds booze before they are old enough to drink.

Oh sorry I came back to this so late but I am on vacation in Pennsylvania but I do have alot to add to this so called non scientists. I have been studying clouds for over 20+ years and weather even longer, and tho you maybe keen on some facts and figures you really should go back to school and relearn about what happens when hot exhaust around 1,600°F hits temperatures of -40°F or colder, the water particles will turn to ice and stay as ice until they get warmer. Also look up what the wind speeds are at 40,000 feet most of the time 3-5 miles per hour and unless you have a cold front coming thru these clouds made this way can and will linger for hours if not the whole day.

But what the fuck do I know, I am just an over paid shill waiting on my first check in the mail for 6 months now.

Oh and as to Aluminium and Barium being released by planes this is metal right ?

Go Google CHAFF that's where they launch fine particles of Aluminum into the air to block radar, so from your so called theory the stuff coming out should show up on radar and in straight lines right ?

OK back to my vacation I need a cold one and a rolled one.



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[ronleroy]

All of them there not 20 years old yet, and they need to be 21 to drink, so don't feed your clouds booze before they are old enough to drink.

Oh sorry I came back to this so late but I am on vacation in Pennsylvania but I do have alot to add to this so called non scientists. I have been studying clouds for over 20+ years and weather even longer, and tho you maybe keen on some facts and figures you really should go back to school and relearn about what happens when hot exhaust around 1,600°F hits temperatures of -40°F or colder, the water particles will turn to ice and stay as ice until they get warmer. Also look up what the wind speeds are at 40,000 feet most of the time 3-5 miles per hour and unless you have a cold front coming thru these clouds made this way can and will linger for hours if not the whole day.

But what the fuck do I know, I am just an over paid shill waiting on my first check in the mail for 6 months now.

Oh and as to Aluminium and Barium being released by planes this is metal right ?

Go Google CHAFF that's where they launch fine particles of Aluminum into the air to block radar, so from your so called theory the stuff coming out should show up on radar and in straight lines right ?

OK back to my vacation I need a cold one and a rolled one.



4nE

I doubt you even read your post. These guys who debunk chemtrails are being payed for that and use template above.

[ronleroy]

What specific facts about clouds in the wiki article are incorrect?

The whole article. They just get photos of freshly sparayed aerosol and introduce new type of clouds "cirrus", and tell this is normal.
Funny you can even find chemtrails in cartoons and video games created after 2000. But if you look at the sky in old cartoons it is different no chemtrails involved. Few years ago Columbia added chemtrail to its logo.

[stupid]

The whole article. They just get photos of freshly sparayed aerosol and introduce new type of clouds "cirrus", and tell this is normal.
Funny you can even find chemtrails in cartoons and video games created after 2000. But if you look at the sky in old cartoons it is different no chemtrails involved. Few years ago Columbia added chemtrail to its logo.


I get the feeling that you are not serious.
You are still posting un-truths.
I think you are hoaxing.

[stupid]

....Few years ago Columbia added chemtrail to its logo.

Wrong.
That particular Columbia logo with the lady and torch and clouds was created in 1993 by illustrator Michael J. Deas.
Here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgMFBDLjtjI
http://www.reelclassics.com/Studios/Columbia/columbia-article-logo.htm

By-the-way...very interesting...
The similar TriStar screen logo was done around 1998 (revamped later), and I painted the long thin clouds in the background. Yes, you read it right I (Stupid) actually painted those thin clouds on a backdrop for the revamped Tri-Star screen logo, at the now Jim Henson (http://leasing.henson.com/) studio lot on La Brea Blvd, CA.... as seen here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=IVxeCMlja18

The puffy clouds were fluffy cotton (poly fiber) batting, but the blue sky and thin clouds were painted on the cyclorama behind the poly fiber clouds.

[apollo_gnomon]

The whole article. They just get photos of freshly sparayed aerosol and introduce new type of clouds "cirrus", and tell this is normal.
Funny you can even find chemtrails in cartoons and video games created after 2000. But if you look at the sky in old cartoons it is different no chemtrails involved. Few years ago Columbia added chemtrail to its logo.

Okay, two claims here that I seriously question.

1) you claim cirrus clouds do not exist

2) you claim there are no contrails in cartoons older than 2000.

Would you like to rethink those claims for a while?

[stupid]

....and I'm not sure what "video games" would have had the opportunity to have had skies and contrails anyways in 2000 or earlier. The Sims maybe ?

At this point, I don't think Ronleroy is even being serious.

[ronleroy]

Old paramount logo - no chemtrails, deep blue sky
http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/1.jpg

New paramount Logo - chemtrails
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2011/12/14/PARAMOUNT-100_810.jpg

[godgoo]

Chemtrails (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=202078)

Originally Posted by dude111
Anything we can do to stop this insanity somehow??


I'm glad you asked me that. I think the best way to fight this is going to be to collate evidence based on samples tested in a laboratory. What we need are people knowledgeable about this kind of thing to be able to tell us how to go about it and who we can trust to give us the genuine results of what we find. Once that's in place we can focus on presenting the evidence to our MP's and asking them what they are going to do to get this fiasco stopped.

Apparently it's catalytic fuels, I know this has something todo with HARRP!

[godgoo]

Apparently it's catalytic fuels, I know this has something todo with HARRP!

Hemiosphere

[rbl_4nik8r]

We just chemtrailed from Newark to Dallas now we have to wait for 2 more hours for the chemtrail flight to Phoenix :D

NBC - Contrails can change the weather - YouTube

As you can see in that video contrails have been around for much longer then 20 years, my guess is that you have not been around for 20 years and seem to believe the world is still flat to, but that's OK give it time ronleroy you may learn about other things in life and even fly on a plane and learn a few things about clouds.

Oh and you really crack me up, you see chemtrails in a movie logo so they got to be real. WHAT THE FUCK I think the new logo seems more detailed and in-depth with very vibrant colors and I didn't see any chemtrails unless you farted while posting that link.


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[mk_ultra]

The fact "ronleroy" has a link in his signiture to a lottery scam should tell you all you need to know about him.

On top of that he claims to have:

6 years University education related to aviation.

He then confuses "Attitude" with "Altitude":


Attitude is also important factor. Clouds doesn't exist at the height where condensation trail exists.

Both "Attitude" and "Altitude" are fundemetal and simple aviation terms, someone with 6 years of aeronautical university education should not be getting these two terms the wrong way around.

He then gives a completely incorrect analysis of clouds:

It is not the same. Clouds are cold water vapour only. Condensation trail near engine is a hot water vapour and it is invisible. As soon as hot vapour condensates and looses its temperature it transforms into ice crystals, but never to cold water vapour.


For a start clouds are not cold water vapour only, clouds can consist of both water droplets and ice crystals either exclusively or together. Sublimation of H2O from the burning of Hydrocarbons at altitude isn't always the case either.

"ronleroy" has in my opinion demonstrated a general lack of understanding in the areas of aviation and science; On this basis I won't be engauging in a debate with this poster as it would be futile.

People will probably assume I am a debunker, I'm not a "debunker", I believe we are being sprayed with chemicals; But I feel posters like "ronleroy" undermine a very important issue, rather than contributing to awareness and prevention.

It's not my intention to cause offence to "ronleroy", I am sorry if any is taken.

Kindest Regards,

Jack

[tzlr_17]

Has anyone had any tests done yet?

[thecatsmeow]

Is this an exchange of ideas or just a debunking exercise? Moderators, I don't know why I bother :(

[mk_ultra]

Is this an exchange of ideas or just a debunking exercise? Moderators, I don't know why I bother :(

It depends how you look at it, in my opinion everything on this forum is an exchange of ideas; However, if you regard any opinion which opposes your own as "debunking", then probably half of the threads on here could be classed as "debunking exercises".

Fact is I believe we are being spray with chemicals, we have done in the past and no doubt we still are.

But I find it difficult to motivate myself in discussion on this forum because someone who claims to have 6 years of aeronautical based univeristy education presents a Paramount Pictures logo painted in the 1950s compared to a CGI created Paramount Pictures logo from today as evidence of the public being sprayed with chemicals.

In my opinion, somebody claiming authoritative credentials then presenting painted/cgi logos as evidence does more to undermine the cause (which is real and damaging our loved ones) than it does to further peoples' understanding of the matter.

But I'm probably being paid by the government to say this! :rolleyes:

Kindest Regards,

Jack

[tzlr_17]

Is this an exchange of ideas or just a debunking exercise? Moderators, I don't know why I bother :(

If you're referring to my post, I'm unsure how you'd class this as debunking - it was a genuine question.