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LasseMaja
17-02-2008, 03:53 PM
Jesus taught about love, sharing, healing, micracles and so on. The story of Jesus is quite amazing. And many christians follow his messages. Many christians are indeed very good people. My mother for example have always told me that love is the greatest of all. She never goes to church, but she's a christian. She's been the greatest to me all my life, giving me nothing else but love and understanding.

Why this story of this superman Jesus. Subliminal programming? "There is a saviour, but it's not me"... or what? Maybe everyone is Jesus and that's the whole deal with Christianity to keep this secret? How would the world look like if all people followed Jesus/buddas/<insert name of a holy man here>/ teachings? It would be a paradise.
I do know that this religion is used for control, the only question I have why this beautiful story of such a noble man?

madthumbs
17-02-2008, 04:33 PM
Jesus Beautiful huh?

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1985/biggerthanlifejesusonthzq1.png (http://imageshack.us)

synergy777
18-02-2008, 02:31 AM
after all yashuah wrote the bible didn't he, he helped the people who executed him to write their manual for empire. the romans, jewish clergy killed him, then used him as their poster boy.

imagine if the elite killed icke, took his work, edited it and then told the world, we love icke, and we are his chosen, so do what we say, oops, what icke said.

dedicate
18-02-2008, 12:54 PM
"imagine if the elite killed icke, took his work, edited it and then told the world, we love icke, and we are his chosen, so do what we say, oops, what icke said." --

Stupid.

drakul
18-02-2008, 02:34 PM
"imagine if the elite killed icke, took his work, edited it and then told the world, we love icke, and we are his chosen, so do what we say, oops, what icke said." --

Stupid.

Why is that stupid???

It's exactly what the Illuminati ALWAYS DO. If there is a powerful popular movement - the PTB always make sure their agents become powerful within it - so that they will always influence the decision-making.

Luciferian `atheists' always stridently claim that all mentions of Jesus by ancient historians such as Josephus are `fake', `interpolations'. Yet they are quick to hold up so-called statements by Jesus like - `I came to bring a sword', etc. If you look at the whole body of Jesus' teachings - the ones in the post above are the very few that commend violence - could these be PTB `interpolations'?

You think the Illuminati are `stupid'??? No. They take advantage of every opportunity. The PTB not only think about today, they plan for the AGE.

dedicate
18-02-2008, 02:50 PM
You are all probably very young, so can be forgiven the ... error.

Your example about killing a man and taking his teachings, only confirms that you believe there was this man.. But then it appears you are against people talking about that man and his teachings. Confusing!

So you admit that this man had teachings that are important? Teachings that have remained out of the main stream? Well then, what were they?

drakul
18-02-2008, 03:47 PM
You are all probably very young, so can be forgiven the ... error.

Your example about killing a man and taking his teachings, only confirms that you believe there was this man.. But then it appears you are against people talking about that man and his teachings. Confusing!

So you admit that this man had teachings that are important? Teachings that have remained out of the main stream? Well then, what were they?


From the way your post is written - am I to assume you don't believe in the existence of Jesus? If so why not?

And what gives you the impression I want to repress discussion about the nature of Christianity? This is a DISCUSSION BOARD isn't it? If I didn't want to discuss it I wouldn't be here.

madthumbs
18-02-2008, 04:08 PM
Christianity serves them. It's a racist religion (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2232) catering to a small specific group of people. It has it's adherents afraid of looking critically at this group's crimes. It has them adhere to the laws of the land, invest in their faith (mind control) through infant genital mutilation, turn the other cheek, pay taxes, support war, etc.

Religious Jews are taught that they are far superior to gentiles (Even Jesus refers to one as a dog among his children). Their crimes are often covered up or overlooked for them by the Christian dogs. Most people in their position in life would act the same way. Just like most people will take advantage of class action lawsuits even if they're not a real victim.

dedicate
18-02-2008, 04:13 PM
I believe in the existance of Jesus.

You point up a big problem with "discussion" boards such as this. That is, the meaning is not conveyed via the words.


I didn't say you "were trying to repress discussion about the nature of Chrisianity". It may be that you don't know you are doing it. Always, on these boards people are pointing out that organized Christianity has been subverted by the controllers, used to wreck us rather than lift us up, etc. Thus those posters toss the Baby out with the Bathwater and stiffle further discussion.. making it obvious that it ends there.

Like I said, "What are those teachings that have been subverted?" -- "What is it that the controlers don't want us to know? and Why dont they want us to know it? Did Jesus teach those things?" I think that one very important thing that has been removed from the teachings of Jesus is reincarnation, and there is some evidence for this. Others are the initiation, lineage, karma, astrology, and -- the fact that Christ and Jesus are two different beings.

dedicate
18-02-2008, 04:25 PM
See!.. Read Madthumbs post (which he posted sychronisticly while I was writting mine)... He appears to be saying,,, "There is nothing to this Chrisitianity. The Controllers use it to control us. That's the end of it". We see A LOT of that on this board..-- fine, if that is what you want to believe, and it is true partially. But I think there is more to it than that.

drakul
18-02-2008, 04:44 PM
See!.. Read Madthumbs post (which he posted sychronisticly while I was writting mine)... He appears to be saying,,, "There is nothing to this Chrisitianity. The Controllers use it to control us. That's the end of it". We see A LOT of that on this board..-- fine, if that is what you want to believe, and it is true partially. But I think there is more to it than that.

YES. Absolutely.

As per your post above, it is a great source of fascination for me - how Christianity has been STRIPPED of its charismatic spirituality and changed to suit the PTB:

* Practice of MEDITATION - the Bible says Christ meditated during the 40 days and nights in the wilderness - yet the church discourages meditation.

* How women have been dis-enfranchised from the Church power structure - The largest most magnificent church in the world - Hagia Sophia (Wisdom of Sophia) was built in Constantinople and it STILL STANDS. SOPHIA - the ancient FEMININE aspect of GOD. And this spirit is STILL ALIVE. Yet women have been essentially precluded from the ruling structure of the church.

When the atheists/Luciferian freemasons bring up the so-called CRIMES OF CHRISTIANITY - they are really talking about the crimes of an independent CITY STATE that masquerades as the seat of Christianity called the VATICAN. The Vatican is the only `religion' with it's own seat at the UN. Vatican is the richest entity in the world. Every country in the world is expected (on pain of `severe punishment') to sign a CONCORDAT - a secret agreement with the Vatican.

dedicate
18-02-2008, 05:43 PM
Yes. Thank you. It seems we are on the same page about more than a few things. I'm sure there are others.

Honestly, though, I don't mind this dharma combat gotten into here on this site. Hard antagonism to "religion" is easier to deal with than people who are embedded in some religious belief system, that's for sure.

drakul
18-02-2008, 06:02 PM
Yes. Thank you. It seems we are on the same page about more than a few things. I'm sure there are others.

Honestly, though, I don't mind this dharma combat gotten into here on this site. Hard antagonism to "religion" is easier to deal with than people who are embedded in some religious belief system, that's for sure.

Well their game is to try to marginalize us as `FUNDIES'. (IOW - Christians don't THINK. If they DID they wouldn't believe in Christ).

RE-INCARNATION: I have given this subject much thought. Especially having lived and worked in a country which is 95% Buddhist - Thailand. In fact I just returned from another trip to SEA a few months ago. Re-incarnation is a spiritual/mental TRAP. Why? Because if you are poor if you are suffering - there is no pity no mercy for you - it's your bad KARMA. You deserve to suffer and so do your children. The best you can do is accept your fate, suffer through this life and hope for a better one in the next. Talk about a PRISON RELIGION. Re-incarnation is why you have one hundred million UNTOUCHABLES in India.

Re-incarnation made it impossible for Buddha to teach the SHUDRAS (Untouchables), they were not worthy. Re-incarnation is what made Buddha deny the existence of the Immortal Soul, because the Immortal Soul is the foundation for belief in Re-incarnation.

Jesus teaching in this regard is correct. He did not deny the existence of the Immortal Soul, in fact he glorified it, but he did not teach re-incarnation. If so, he would not have been able to teach the wretched masses, the slaves, the crippled and sick etc. The Pharisees and the Saducees considered such people unworthy. These unworthies were the main recipients of His message - The Kingdom of Heavan is Here NOW.

dedicate
18-02-2008, 11:00 PM
Well. I think you are wrong about that.. First off.. We've already established that just because a ruling class take a subject such as reincarnation and use it to the disadvantage of people, does not negate the reality of the principle. There is nothing about reincarnation or karma that should be used to keep a person down. Also, me saying, "You deserve.." such and such, does not give me the right to give you what you deserve. Those people in Asia have as a warped view of their religion as people here have of their religion. Being given a rough way to go at the beginning of this life, is no reason to numb out and give in to it.. just like in every day life.. you accept responsiblity for your life and work to change things for the better.

Jesus did teach re-incarnation. As stated in the scripture.. many believed he was the returning Elisha (which he may have been, -- and John the Baptist was the returning Elias). That's reincarnation. Then he said something about how many "here" would do greater than he. There are many examples, but the main body of those teachings were probably removed. Reincarnation is a fact.. the evidence for it is everywhere. Realizing the truth of it is/can be liberating.

dedicate
18-02-2008, 11:10 PM
Also, I would like to add.-- Hidden in the NT scripture here and there is that there were conflicting "philosophies" among the people and classes in Israel. I remember that there was one sect that belived in the concept of "reserection".. This is a quote from the KJV.. and appears before the Passion. There were jews who believed in the "reserection".. Now, I believe that these jews believed in reincarntaion,,, not "reserection" as is translated. All mention of the Essene sect have also been removed from the scripture.

dedicate
18-02-2008, 11:16 PM
There was another scripture that I now remember.. Some people were asking Jesus this: "Who sinned to make this man be born blind? The man, or his parents?".. Jesus at this point, does not say, "This man could not have sinned to be born blind. That would indicate that he did something in a previous life. How rediculous". He does not deny the Karma of this man or his parents with his answer, which he could have.

drakul
18-02-2008, 11:30 PM
There was another scripture that I now remember.. Some people were asking Jesus this: "Who sinned to make this man be born blind? The man, or his parents?".. Jesus at this point, does not say, "This man could not have sinned to be born blind. That would indicate that he did something in a previous life. How rediculous". He does not deny the Karma of this man or his parents with his answer, which he could have.

I think I've been through this one before. Do you have the # on it so I can look it up?

A few other reasons Re-incarnation is a mental/spiritual TRAP -

* People become spiritually LAZY and FATALISTIC. Oh well I've got plenty more lives after this one. With Christianity it's THIS life and this life alone - the ONLY ONE you KNOW you're gonna get.

* LIFE has less meaning. Human life is no longer precious. People die - so what - it's their karma, they'll come back again. Re-incarnation is abused in WAR - sacrifice your life - don't worry you die - you'll come back.

edit
18-02-2008, 11:47 PM
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dedicate
18-02-2008, 11:53 PM
Well you've been through it before, so we will move on. You are aware of this text and that is the important thing.

Like I said, there is no reason to get lazy over reincarnation or "I have to accept my lot.. woe is me attitude.".. (And, nothing about reincarnation states that you have endless opertunity to work out your present karma). . In this life you don't let yesterday's failures get you down. Do you? No. YOu take responsiblity for it, and make good. Same with the previous life's failures. That's how you grow.

Then you state that Christians are given only one life.. So that makes it that much more important. Well that is true, life is important. But this "only one life" idea, also provides a pitfall that many trip over....

1) You can only go so far with one life.. You can not become a Jesus in one life, so (a) Jesus must have been more than human.-- a God. In other words, he did not work very very hard in previous lives to earn what he was... So Jesus must have been God. .. and (b) Thus I will "hook on" to this Jesus as a savior,, and be LAZY and get to heaven because I believed the right thing. I can never aspire to do as good as Jesus did.-- impossible in just one life. (Personally I know that it will be another life or two for me before I'm even close)

2) We are made to believe that after this one and only life,,, then what?

edit
19-02-2008, 12:05 AM
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

we may present [3936] paristemi

Greek for G3936 παρίστημι Transliteration
paristēmi
Pronunciation

pä-rē'-stā-mē (Key)

Part of Speech
verb

Root Word (Etymology)

from G3844 and G2476

TDNT Reference
5:837,788
Vines
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to place beside or near

a) to set at hand

1) to present

2) to proffer

3) to provide

4) to place a person or thing at one's disposal

5) to present a person for another to see and question

6) to present or show

7) to bring to, bring near

8) metaph. i.e to bring into one's fellowship or intimacy

b) to present (show) by argument, to prove

2) to stand beside, stand by or near, to be at hand, be present

a) to stand by

1) to stand beside one, a bystander

b) to appear

c) to be at hand, stand ready

d) to stand by to help, to succour

e) to be present

1) to have come

2) of time


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 42 AV — stand by 13, present 9, yield 5, show 2, stand 2, misc 11

Strong's Number G3936 matches the Greek παρίστημι (paristēmi). For the unrelated Hebrew word for H3936 לעדן (La`dan) click here. [To get a Hebrew Strong's number, please enter the number with a leading H, ie H1234 for Hebrew, G1234 for Greek.] (More Info)
Hebrew for H3936 לעדן Transliteration
La`dan
Pronunciation

lah·dän' (Key)

Part of Speech
proper masculine noun

Root Word (Etymology)

from the same as H3935

TWOT Reference
n/a


Outline of Biblical Usage Laadan = "put in order"

1) an Ephraimite ancestor of Joshua, son of Nun

2) a Levite son of Gershom; also 'Libni'


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 7 AV — Laadan 7

Hebrew for H3935 לעדה Transliteration
La`dah
Pronunciation

lah·dä' (Key)

Part of Speech
proper masculine noun

Root Word (Etymology)

from an unused root of uncertain meaning

TWOT Reference
n/a


Outline of Biblical Usage Laadah = "order"

1) son of Shelah and grandson of Judah


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 1 AV — Laadah 1

Greek for G2476 ἵστημι Transliteration
histēmi
Pronunciation

hē'-stā-mē (Key)

Part of Speech
verb

Root Word (Etymology)

a prolonged form of a primary stao {stah'-o** (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses)

TDNT Reference
7:638,1082
Vines
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set

a) to bid to stand by, [set up]

1) in the presence of others, in the midst, before judges, before members of the Sanhedrin;

2) to place

b) to make firm, fix establish

1) to cause a person or a thing to keep his or its place

2) to stand, be kept intact (of family, a kingdom), to escape in safety

3) to establish a thing, cause it to stand

a) to uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything

c) to set or place in a balance

1) to weigh: money to one (because in very early times before the introduction of coinage, the metals used to be weighed)

2) to stand

a) to stand by or near

1) to stop, stand still, to stand immovable, stand firm

a) of the foundation of a building

b) to stand

1) continue safe and sound, stand unharmed, to stand ready or prepared

2) to be of a steadfast mind

3) of quality, one who does not hesitate, does not waiver

Greek for G3844 παρά Transliteration
para
Pronunciation

pä-rä' (Key)

Part of Speech
preposition

Root Word (Etymology)

a root word

TDNT Reference
5:727,771
Vines
View Entry


Outline of Biblical Usage 1) from, of at, by, besides, near

Strong's Number G3844 matches the Greek παρά (para). For the unrelated Hebrew word for H3844 לבנון (Lĕbanown) click here. [To get a Hebrew Strong's number, please enter the number with a leading H, ie H1234 for Hebrew, G1234 for Greek.] (More Info)

Hebrew for H7956 שלה Transliteration
Shelah
Pronunciation

shā·lä' (Key)

Part of Speech
proper masculine noun

Root Word (Etymology)

the same as H7596 [/COLOR](shortened)

TWOT Reference
n/a


Outline of Biblical Usage Shelah = "a petition"

1) the youngest son of Judah


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 8 AV — Shelah 8
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 200 AV — of 51, with 42, from 24, by ... side 15, at 12, than 11, misc 45

1Ch 1:18 And Arphaxad begat Shelah, and Shelah begat Eber.
1Ch 1:24 Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah,

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=Shelah&t=KJV&sf=4
Psa 3:8 Salvation unto the LORD: thy blessing [is] upon thy people. Selah.
Psa 4:2 O ye sons of men, how long [will ye turn] my glory into shame? [how long] will ye love vanity, [and] seek after leasing? Selah.
Psa 4:4 Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah.
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=Selah&t=KJV&sf=5
Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until [COLOR="red"]Shiloh come; and unto him [shall] the gathering of the people .
Jos 18:1 And the whole congregation of the children of Israel assembled together at Shiloh, and set up the tabernacle of the congregation there. And the land was subdued before them.

[B]Shiloh [07886] Shiyloh

Hebrew for [B]H7886 שילה Transliteration
Shiyloh
Pronunciation

shē·lo' (Key)

Part of Speech
proper noun

Root Word (Etymology)

from H7951

TWOT Reference
n/a


Outline of Biblical Usage 1) he whose it is, that which belongs to him, tranquillity

a) meaning uncertain


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 1 AV — Shiloh 1


Hebrew for H7951 שלה Transliteration
shalah
Pronunciation

shä·lä' (Key)

Part of Speech
verb

Root Word (Etymology)

a primitive root

TWOT Reference
2392


Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to be at rest, prosper, be quiet, be at ease

a) (Qal)

1) to be or have quiet

2) to be at ease, prosper


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 5 AV — prosper 3, safety 1, happy 1

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7951&t=kjv

snoopsnuffleopagus
19-02-2008, 12:13 AM
There was another scripture that I now remember.. Some people were asking Jesus this: "Who sinned to make this man be born blind? The man, or his parents?".. Jesus at this point, does not say, "This man could not have sinned to be born blind. That would indicate that he did something in a previous life. How rediculous". He does not deny the Karma of this man or his parents with his answer, which he could have.

Cordial Felicitations:

Perhaps this may help:


Yahchanan (John)


Chapter 9


9:1 Now as Yahshua passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth.

9:2 Then His disciples asked Him, saying; Teacher, who sinned; this man or his parents, because he was born blind?

9:3 Yahshua answered; This man has not sinned, nor his parents; but that the works of Yahweh should be made manifest in him.

9:4 I must work the works of Him Who sent me, while it is day; the night comes when no man can work. (whenever & wherever the need or reason arises, for He knows what is to come)

9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.




Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

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19-02-2008, 12:14 AM
paristemi
pari-stemi
paris-t-emi
paris thema

paristemi http://www.cine-files.com/cinemaniacs/photos/2006/08/paris1.jpg
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edit
19-02-2008, 12:16 AM
Kind Regards to u 2 Snoopsnuffleopagus

edit
19-02-2008, 12:19 AM
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St---saint
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19-02-2008, 12:20 AM
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19-02-2008, 12:23 AM
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dedicate
19-02-2008, 12:28 AM
Looks like this thread has been infiltrated, Drakul, by multi-media propaganda-ists... (And who knows what they are trying to say.) Anyway,, Where do you think you might go when you die? And where do people go? In your estimation,, believing in only one life on earth.

dedicate
19-02-2008, 12:35 AM
Also, we have the scripture.. from the Johannian text.. Good. Notice that Jesus does not reprove them for believing in Karma or Reincarnaition.. but does reprove the idea of sin. .... but the fact is, Reincarnation is not denied, nor is Karma. Sin is, at least in this instance.

Sin as punishment. Sin as a prison that one can't get out of? That was the concept..? maybe. But then reincarnation is definitely alluded to here and not denied, nor is Karma.


Then what about the belief that many Jews might have held in Reincarnation as I stated called "reserection" in the NT. Or that Jesus was Elisha? returned...?

edit
19-02-2008, 12:37 AM
Pari - stem - I

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parthiva
pritivi - earth
"reserection"
"re-s-el-action"
"res-erection"
"re-selection"

edit
19-02-2008, 12:42 AM
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19-02-2008, 12:55 AM
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talkingchimp
19-02-2008, 08:40 AM
you are all brainwashed idiots.

optimus pigpot
19-02-2008, 10:01 AM
after all yashuah wrote the bible didn't he, he helped the people who executed him to write their manual for empire. the romans, jewish clergy killed him, then used him as their poster boy.

imagine if the elite killed icke, took his work, edited it and then told the world, we love icke, and we are his chosen, so do what we say, oops, what icke said.

After all, Yashuah did not not write the Bible. At first I read some of your posts. I read them to the point where you were leaving the site and not returning. You said your goodbye's and HOW people missed you. What they actually missed was your pointless dreamy takes on things which still bear no fruit.

I for one would not call anyone a disinformation agent but you now, having read your posts about the fact that you actually support a mainstream religion (being Yahwehism) makes you diametrically opposed to David Icke's work.

Now, I could care a monkey's fucking tuppence if you disagree. I'm glad that you can. But, due to the fact that you do disagree I would say quite within the boundaries of logic.......

What the hell are you here for when Icke has proved everything about Yahwehism and established religion wrong??

AND don't ask me to qoute where my sources are, you have the books.

I was wary a long time ago Synergy777 of you, how you loved everyone and a lot of people loved you and now I know the reason why. After all this time you act like Sai Baba, when you said and I QUOTE you Synergy777 or 666

"That I forgive you, for being", "UNINFORMED".

Who the F{**K gave you the badge and said I was uninformed and needed an arrogant f..l like you to forgive me.

"Oh, don't go Synergy777. You're wonderful". "What a loss it would be if you went." "We can't do without you."

No, no the site will tick along perfectly without disinformation from what I can gather.

Op.

talkingchimp
19-02-2008, 12:43 PM
has anyone heard of the religion 'spliffandawankianity' ? ive heard that it has a massive underground following and is growing larger by the day!

psychicdefender
19-02-2008, 02:21 PM
What the hell are you here for when Icke has proved everything about Yahwehism and established religion wrong??

Having read the Biggest Secret eight years ago (and other books since), shortly after it came out, and being a follower of the Way, I have yet to see conclusive proof (and I can provide proof 'against' and will continue to) that Jesus and his teachings are wrong. When I read the end chapter on 'infinite love, infinite freedom' the parallels are striking between the techings of Christ and the teachings of Icke.

BUT I am not saying that the teachings of the 'Christian' church have not become corrupted. There are a lot of things in Christian canon/dogma that have no Biblical evidence to support them. Something which Icke woke me up to. As DI says himself, "I am here to present information, go check it out for yourself", I have checked it, I now understand what is and isn't 'Christian', thank you David Icke, you spurred me on a quest for knowledge, thank you.

psychicdefender
19-02-2008, 02:26 PM
has anyone heard of the religion 'spliffandawankianity' ? ive heard that it has a massive underground following and is growing larger by the day!

Has anyone heard of the religion, I'llpoliceyoubecausethe'ptb'aren'tdoinggoodenough? I've heard that it is run by monkeys who'll do anything for a bit of attention and to get a laugh... We could go on all day... :p

drakul
19-02-2008, 03:20 PM
Looks like this thread has been infiltrated, Drakul, by multi-media propaganda-ists... (And who knows what they are trying to say.) Anyway,, Where do you think you might go when you die? And where do people go? In your estimation,, believing in only one life on earth.


First of all I do not BELIEVE nor do I DISBELIEVE.

Where people go when they die? How can I possibly claim to KNOW the answer to such an age old question? All I can say is that since childhood, I have had experiences which have led me to think that THERE ARE OTHER DIMENSIONS. Dimensions beyond this one. And I think science is also coming to recognize this possiblity.

drakul
19-02-2008, 03:41 PM
Yahchanan (John)


Chapter 9


9:1 Now as Yahshua passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth.

9:2 Then His disciples asked Him, saying; Teacher, who sinned; this man or his parents, because he was born blind?

9:3 Yahshua answered; This man has not sinned, nor his parents; but that the works of Yahweh should be made manifest in him.

9:4 I must work the works of Him Who sent me, while it is day; the night comes when no man can work. (whenever & wherever the need or reason arises, for He knows what is to come)

9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus


THANKS - Snoops



Also, we have the scripture.. from the Johannian text.. Good. Notice that Jesus does not reprove them for believing in Karma or Reincarnaition.. but does reprove the idea of sin. .... but the fact is, Reincarnation is not denied, nor is Karma. Sin is, at least in this instance.

Sin as punishment. Sin as a prison that one can't get out of? That was the concept..? maybe. But then reincarnation is definitely alluded to here and not denied, nor is Karma.

Then what about the belief that many Jews might have held in Reincarnation as I stated called "reserection" in the NT. Or that Jesus was Elisha? returned...?


No question the Biblical quote above is a direct reference to RE-INCARNATION. However Christ basically DENIES the efficacy of KARMA when he says:

9:3 Yahshua answered; This man has not sinned, nor his parents

DEDICATE - you say that KARMA should not apply to re-incarnation - but it IS. And has been for thousands of years it has been. Your lot in life, your wealth, your poverty, your suffering, your loss - All interpreted in terms of KARMIC Re-incarnation. In the verse above Christ DENIES this - NO this man has NOT sinned NOR his parents.

If you believed that he was suffering due to past Karma, this would give you the moral ground to just walk away, to turn your back right? I.E. he DESERVES to suffer.

Then Jesus goes on to say:

But that the works of Yahweh should be made manifest in him.

With this rather enigmatic statement it sounds like Jesus is saying that this man is here to prove that I can do miracles, (cure his blindness) through Yahweh.

As far as Jewish belief in `reserection' or Jesus as Elisha returned - You can find something for anything. There are so many cults, so many wishes, so many dreams, the number of belief systems about Jesus alone is just about infinite. Jesus was Buddha re-incarnated, He was Krishna, etc.

drakul
19-02-2008, 04:23 PM
Another major problem with Re-incarnation is the deaths of millions of innocent people especially children. So many times I've heard it said that - `souls incarnate at different levels in order to have consciousness raising experiences'. But they never talk about the millions of BABIES who DIE every year from starvation, disease, abuse, even murder. And this has been going on for AGES. Why would literally billions of souls from the beginning of time want or need to experience such a nightmare? To be born an innocent babe to suffer and to die hideously? Makes no logical sense.

psychicdefender
19-02-2008, 04:53 PM
Another major problem with Re-incarnation is the deaths of millions of innocent people especially children. So many times I've heard it said that - `souls incarnate at different levels in order to have consciousness raising experiences'. But they never talk about the millions of BABIES who DIE every year from starvation, disease, abuse, even murder. And this has been going on for AGES. Why would literally billions of souls from the beginning of time want or need to experience such a nightmare? To be born an innocent babe to suffer and to die hideously? Makes no logical sense.

Babies don't need to 'evolve' their spritiual state, they are in a perfect state when they are born into this life (a messed up version of how we should be living) eventually life corrupts them through all the 'usual means'. So they don't need to reincarnate, they 'ascend' without even the slightest hitch.

drakul
19-02-2008, 07:18 PM
Babies don't need to 'evolve' their spritiual state, they are in a perfect state when they are born into this life (a messed up version of how we should be living) eventually life corrupts them through all the 'usual means'. So they don't need to reincarnate, they 'ascend' without even the slightest hitch.


What's your point? That re-incarnating as a baby that dies from disease or starvation is desirable as a quickie way to reach Nirvana? Don't bother to experience LIFE just die a terrible death as a baby and never have to come back again? woopfrickeneee.

Are you saying you believe in Re-incarnation?

dedicate
19-02-2008, 08:16 PM
So, you don't know what happens when a person dies? eh?.. Well then why do you deny that the person may take up another human life? Why not just say you don't know? And that reincarnation could be?

"If you believed that he was suffering due to past Karma, this would give you the moral ground to just walk away, to turn your back right? I.E. he DESERVES to suffer." --
I don't see it that way, and I don't think it is what Jesus/[Buddha/Krishna tought . Don't you have compassion for people who get what's coming to them? I do. More so. That's all what Karma is.-- you get what's coming to you.

Funny Jesus doesn't say in the below statement: Why would you ask if this man has sinned to be born blind? -- They must have been believing in Reincarnation and Karma. And they were his disciples; he would surely have corrected them. And , I disagree with your interpretation of that scripture, too. -- Before the event told in John.. Jesus had taught to his disciples about karma and past life. Many asked questions.. Like "My parents also deserved me as a child then? It was their Karma?".. Yes... Then the event told -- But Jesus dismisses the discussions of karma and reincarnation and takes it to another even more human level. Makes sense to me.-- and it is often a teaching tool used by teachers.


"But they never talk about the millions of BABIES who DIE every year from starvation, disease, abuse, even murder. And this has been going on for AGES. Why would literally billions of souls from the beginning of time want or need to experience such a nightmare? To be born an innocent babe to suffer and to die hideously? Makes no logical sense."

That's a good one.. Like Millions of Babies dieing of starvation could make any sense? -- But understanding the law of consequence and cause,,,, it does/ Sad never-the-less.

Now I can give you countless good reasons for believing in Reincarntaion.. Makes PERFECT sense... But I'm sure you will disregard them. YOu seem to have a block about it for some reason, even though you state you don't believe or disbelieve anything about after life.. (I think you are fibbing about that -- I think you have definite beliefs about some heaven place, but are afraid to state it here?)

First hand knowledge is best, though. Don't just believe. REseach and study.. And find out if you have lived before. I have personal rememberance of past lives. I remember at least 4 previous lives. Lives that I did live.

psychicdefender
19-02-2008, 11:19 PM
Are you saying you believe in Re-incarnation?

No.

drakul
20-02-2008, 12:37 AM
So, you don't know what happens when a person dies? eh?.. Well then why do you deny that the person may take up another human life? Why not just say you don't know? And that reincarnation could be?

"If you believed that he was suffering due to past Karma, this would give you the moral ground to just walk away, to turn your back right? I.E. he DESERVES to suffer." --
I don't see it that way, and I don't think it is what Jesus/[Buddha/Krishna tought . Don't you have compassion for people who get what's coming to them? I do. More so. That's all what Karma is.-- you get what's coming to you.

Funny Jesus doesn't say in the below statement: Why would you ask if this man has sinned to be born blind? -- They must have been believing in Reincarnation and Karma. And they were his disciples; he would surely have corrected them. And , I disagree with your interpretation of that scripture, too. -- Before the event told in John.. Jesus had taught to his disciples about karma and past life. Many asked questions.. Like "My parents also deserved me as a child then? It was their Karma?".. Yes... Then the event told -- But Jesus dismisses the discussions of karma and reincarnation and takes it to another even more human level. Makes sense to me.-- and it is often a teaching tool used by teachers.


"But they never talk about the millions of BABIES who DIE every year from starvation, disease, abuse, even murder. And this has been going on for AGES. Why would literally billions of souls from the beginning of time want or need to experience such a nightmare? To be born an innocent babe to suffer and to die hideously? Makes no logical sense."

That's a good one.. Like Millions of Babies dieing of starvation could make any sense? -- But understanding the law of consequence and cause,,,, it does/ Sad never-the-less.

Now I can give you countless good reasons for believing in Reincarntaion.. Makes PERFECT sense... But I'm sure you will disregard them. YOu seem to have a block about it for some reason, even though you state you don't believe or disbelieve anything about after life.. (I think you are fibbing about that -- I think you have definite beliefs about some heaven place, but are afraid to state it here?)

First hand knowledge is best, though. Don't just believe. REseach and study.. And find out if you have lived before. I have personal rememberance of past lives. I remember at least 4 previous lives. Lives that I did live.

I didn't say I DON'T BELIEVE in Re-incarnation. I said it's a mental and spiritual TRAP. I've thought about re-incarnation for years and the concept of suffering due to bad KARMA or Karmic inheritance passed through genrations makes no logical sense to me.

Buddha and Jesus did not teach re-incarnation or karma. Buddha did not even teach the existence of an Immortal Soul - otherwise he could not teach the poor Shudras because they were deemed unworthy, in fact a high caste Hindu could not even come near a Shudra. And the terrible oppression of the Shudras was justified due to past bad Karma - an indelible part of Hindu re-incarnation.

I know you don't think people should blame tragedy on `bad Karma' but KARMA is the foundation for re-incarnation. The 2 go together indelibly - as you kind of hinted in your discussion about why millions of babies and children suffer and die year after year. Quote -

`Like Millions of Babies dieing of starvation could make any sense? -- But understanding the law of consequence and cause,,,, it does/ Sad never-the-less.'

And -

`That's all what Karma is.-- you get what's coming to you.'

Bullhockey. I and my family went back to SEA this fall and spent about a month touring around. I spent hours talking to the Buddhist priests in the temples of Chiengmai, Thailand. We were discussing the existence of GOD karma and the Immortal Soul. I mentioned the 50 million people who were killed during WWII - and was shocked by the priests' response:

`You don't know what the KARMA was of those people'. -

IOW - the 50 million DESERVED TO DIE.

Like I said - BULLHOCKEY.

I would add that Buddhism has been heavily infiltrated with Hindu concepts of re-incarnation and karma. The higher the rank of the monks I spoke to, the less they expressed belief in re-incarnation, GOD OR an Immortal Soul.

dedicate
20-02-2008, 01:40 AM
Technically there is no "Bad" Karma. And "deserve" is also an iffy term, but sortof fits. And I think you are wrong about your Buddhism.-- The Dalai Lama is a reincarnation. Publically stated so.

I'm not a sage when it comes to the teaching of Gotama Buddha.. it is true that everything is an illusion, nothing is real.-- your past life, even Karma is an illusion (but a strong one!), even the "immortal soul". That is a teaching too, and I'm sure he incorporated it in his. He was a great teacher who taught daily for 40 years at least. But he often taught reincarnation. I'm sure of it.

Like Jesus, for some reason, he did not reach out to those other than his own (the Jew/the higher castes).. Reason's I don't know, exactly, or can't get into here. Maybe they weren't ready for it.

You seem to be missing my points on Karma and Reincarnation (which are inter-dependent,, I don't know why you think I said otherwise). That's OK.. Like the Buddhas of all ages have said.. "Work out your salvation, with due diligence" -- and the western way.. "Good luck".. aka good karma.

damagedbrainn
20-02-2008, 02:34 AM
Technically there is no "Bad" Karma. And "deserve" is also an iffy term, but sortof fits. And I think you are wrong about your Buddhism.-- The Dalai Lama is a reincarnation. Publically stated so.

I'm not a sage when it comes to the teaching of Gotama Buddha.. it is true that everything is an illusion, nothing is real.-- your past life, even Karma is an illusion (but a strong one!), even the "immortal soul". That is a teaching too, and I'm sure he incorporated it in his. He was a great teacher who taught daily for 40 years at least. But he often taught reincarnation. I'm sure of it.

Like Jesus, for some reason, he did not reach out to those other than his own (the Jew/the higher castes).. Reason's I don't know, exactly, or can't get into here. Maybe they weren't ready for it.

You seem to be missing my points on Karma and Reincarnation (which are inter-dependent,, I don't know why you think I said otherwise). That's OK.. Like the Buddhas of all ages have said.. "Work out your salvation, with due diligence" -- and the western way.. "Good luck".. aka good karma.

Yes, but just as Drakul has said, reincarnation is viewed by Buddhists as a trap. The goal of Buddhist meditation is to break free of the wheels of karma and the cycle of reincarnation that binds us to the material world and its suffering. Once a Buddhist has achieved this, they can either choose to live in the "land of the gods", or be reborn as a human teacher (the Dalai Lama being an example) to help and guide others to achieve the same goal.

That's the gist of it anyway.

drakul
20-02-2008, 02:54 AM
Yes, but just as Drakul has said, reincarnation is viewed by Buddhists as a trap. The goal of Buddhist meditation is to break free of the wheels of karma and the cycle of reincarnation that binds us to the material world and its suffering. Once a Buddhist has achieved this, they can either choose to live in the "land of the gods", or be reborn as a human teacher (the Dalai Lama being an example) to help and guide others to achieve the same goal.

That's the gist of it anyway.

If you pick up a book - just the straight TEACHING OF THE BUDDHA - that's all, what the Buddha ACTUALLY SAID, not the POPULAR Buddhist belief system that's been built up around Buddhism over the last 2,500 years, you will find that the Buddha did NOT teach that there is an Immortal Soul OR that GOD exists. Buddha was here to teach people to become AWAKENED in THIS lifetime to BE HERE HERE NOW.

Tibetan Buddhism is a popular abberation. If you talk to high-ranking Buddhist Bhikkus/monks in Thailand or Japan, for example - if you ask them - WHY DIDN'T BUDDHA TEACH THAT THERE IS AN IMMORTAL SOUL? (He did not). If you ask these Bhikkus - IS THERE A GOD? They will tell you - THERE IS NO IMMORTAL SOUL AND NO GOD.

I have to admit I was so disappointed. When I disagreed and said that I had experiences that led me to believe that there IS A GOD, the Bhikkus asked me - `What were your experiences?'

So I told them and kind of reliving the experience at the same time, it was very deeply emotional for me. When I finished the monks looked at me and said - `We have had those experiences too. IT IS A TRICK OF THE MIND. THAT'S ALL, A TRICK OF THE MIND'. THERE IS NO GOD'.

drael
20-02-2008, 04:02 AM
Ahh karma. Often a contentious issue here on the DI forum.

Your absolutely right about buddha, he taught nothing about a soul, or god - although his ideas could be possibly seen as suggestive in that sense (illusion, transcendantal reality etc). He did rightly point out the flaws in using language to describe the transcendatal world, so from this point of veiw alone, it is easier not to talk about karma or souls or reincarnation (These concepts are not easy to grasp at all for the concious mind). Krishna definately talked about karma. Jesus, well, who knows?

This understanding of karma, as a lack of compassion is indeed strange. That may be the hindu perversion of the concept, but reincarnation is far broader culturally and historically than hinduism. (yes reincarnation was not invented by the hindus! It can be found in celtic beleifs for example)

Krishna for example, taught that service to others, asceticsm and spiritual practice was the foundation of "the way" (the karma-yoga). There is no room in that for judgement of any sort. Judgement itself, would attract karma.

Karma is not simply "u get what is coming to you". This is deep misinterpretation, which is why the problems of using language to describe transcedant reality. It is the unravelling of misconceptions about reality, the unravelling of illusion.

Lets say you love chocolate (stupid example, but hey). Now, you can eat all you want. U will become addicted, and eventually disatisfied. Then u will decide chocolate is not so much fun. Peoples whole lives, and their learning experience, is about what is very simple and plain -

"happiness" makes u cry, and desire/pleasure/self/ego is a dead end. I can explain this very simple concept, if it is not clear. But it is the basis of all karma - nothing physical, desire or ego oriented brings happiness, it brings suffering. Or from the princess bride - "life is suffering, anyone who tells u differently is selling something"

This is karma. You beleive that chocolate will make u happy, but ur soul knows it is merely a trap - so the higher realms delivers "karma", so that u may AVOID suffering and not be addicted for all enternity. You suffer more than a thousand times more, if u do not head the wisdom of what is beyond illusion.

What u guys are actually talking about, dharma, is karma from a past life. Again, this has nothing to do with justifying cruelty, it is about misconceptions about reality that u have carried over from your past life that cause ur soul, ur heart and your mind DEEP suffering. The temporary suffering of learning something about ur own perception and the physical illusion is a kindness - it saves u from a deeper suffering, liberates one from illusion.

And remember just because something has been corrupted, or abused, does not make the source or basis corrupt - mystic teachings are very hard to grasp, and often confused and corrupted by interpretations. This is called "religion". This is why its better to experience than get told second hand - thats the only way to "get" these things.

There is no better than, or worse than in the physical plane. We are all children, students, begininers, who know nothing. And when we one day "learn" something, we will still be wrong.

So karma is not "bad" ever, it is always "good". And it doesnt make anyone any better than anyone else, because we all have it - thats what it means to be alive. Just cause ur living in a mansion, doesnt mean u dont have karma - u have plenty, the suffering of the illusion of greed and money. And it wont be pretty, or easy - u can see the misery of these people.

It is some strange version of the hindu veiw of karma, that the west seems to think is the nature of karma. What is termed here, "good karma" is in fact the slower and more painful path, which is a rather odd way to veiw karma if u ask me.

de_shit
20-02-2008, 04:18 AM
Do you want to see the truth behind Tammuzanity? Go here: www.wckkkk.org (http://www.wckkkk.org)
That is the White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klans website. They tell you where in the bible their god says to hate blacks, jews, and anything that is not white. I love where it says "WHITE POWER" in all caps on one of the pages.

Here is what they say of race mixing:
Here in America, because of the acceptance of some of our people to intermarry with non-whites we see a future in which Whites will be a minority. When presented with this argument many people say "so what". To the Klan; the survival of our race is important and I find it unbelievable that the Klan is condemned for the simple fact that we want to exist and maintain our racial purity. But, the most important reason we practice racial segregation is it's our Heavenly Fathers' law. The Klan has been told time and time again that there is no scriptures in the Bible to defend our position on the mixing of the races. The Bible is full of instructions for practicing segregation, for example.
Exodus 33:16 "So shall we be separated: I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth."
Leviticus 20:24 "I am the Lord thy God which have separated you from other people."
Joshua 23:12-13 "If you do in any wise go back and cleave unto the remnant of these Nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them and they unto you: Know for a certainity...That they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides and thornes in your eyes. Until ye perish off from this good land which the Lord your God has given you."
Deuteronomy 7:3 "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto they son." The phrase stranger or strange flesh is used in numerous verses in the Bible and in the Hebrew is ZUWR, NEKAR, and NOKRI. and means a person of another race. For instance in :
Proverbs 23:27 We read "for a whore is a deep ditch: and a strange woman is a narrow pit"
Psalm 144:11-12 "Rid me and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood: That our sons may be as plant grown up in their youth, that our daughters may be as the polished cornices of a palace."
Hosea 5:6-7 "They shall go with their flocks and their herds to seek the Lord. But they shall not find him: He hasth withdrawn himself from them. They have dealt treacherously against the Lord: For they have begotten strange children.".

OH MY GOD WHITE POWER KILL THE JEWS GOD SAID SO! HANG THE BLACKS! GOD SAVE US ALL FROM THE BLACKS! AHAHAHAHAHA! The white power guys are so stupid man. They look dumb as hell in their outfits.

armoured_amazon
20-02-2008, 08:40 AM
Pay no heed to them. They shall be judged. :)

talkingchimp
20-02-2008, 08:49 AM
if your god is so benevolent why will he judge us?

dedicate
20-02-2008, 09:33 AM
Well, Drakul,, you haven't said that reincarnation could be something Jesus tought. And I do think you are hiding something. First off, I never mentioned anything about Soul (except that one qoute from your post) or God. You bringing them in so abrubtly and without a preamble makes me wonder if you didn't have those things on your mind all along.

To say that reincarnation is viewed as a trap, is different than saying there is no reincarnation. (But a "trap" by difinition is something you can't get out of!).. But I don't see it as a trap. It is liberating in a sense to know that I created my present life long before I was born . Not Just born into it.. That seems more like a trap to me.-- to be thrown for no reason into poverty, a war zone, cruel family, or what ever. Now, I know that it was "I" that brought me to it, and "I" can change things. I'm empowered. (And yes,, to escape the wheel of birth and death is true liberation)

Like I said, you are very wrong about Buddhism. Tibetian Buddhism is not an "abberation" as you say (funny choice of words). I understand that the Tibetians will say they are not Buddhist but have incorporated the teachings of Buddha into their own practice. But by doing that, they have practiced a principle of Buddhism,,,-- to make it your own.

And the Buddha did teach reincarnation and karma. If I must I will give references. But it seems like an obvious thing. Seems to me I remember teachings where Buddha would explain people's actions, due to their Karma (The Pali word was KAMMA.) and Past Life.-- from the Vipassana school. Theravadin I believe.

Now, I'm begining to think that Drakul is one of those Christians who believe certain things to the exclusion of all else.-- can't see it any other way. That liberal attitude Drakul says he has is really a front that's creating a division..(two sided)-vision in himself. His post are getting more and more obfucating. Come out of the closet, Drakul, we know your hiding.-- give your soul some fresh air.

But, there has been some good discussion on this thread. Very interesting. Namaste.

bigus_dickus
20-02-2008, 04:07 PM
my POV is closer to drael's about reincarnation and karma. it looks like both teachings (christian and buddhist) are about the same thing, but from a different perspective.

where the buddhists have dharma, karma and reincarnation, christians have original sin, baptism and resurrection. after thinking about these ideas a lot, i have noticed that they are the same thing told with different words and concepts. yet of course all those ideas have a lot of variations and trying to explain them results to an overkill, where we may conclude that it's all a mental trap. but if we don't take a serious and judgmental approach, we can see that all these ideas are similar to philosophical ideas about what reality is and if there is another fundamental reality, eternal and unchangeable from which our reality emanates.

so, just like christians through baptism get freed from original sin and have the opportunity to become worthy of resurrection in the now, their lives, so the buddhists with meditation and awakening make use of their karma, to create a dharma that will allow them to reconnect them with the absolute of oneness. it is the same thing, with different words. all in all, both ways are supposed to suggest a way of living, which prepares for a successful death, which also results to the end of suffering in their lives (suffering gets a new meaning and doesn't mean despair and limiting any more), which in turn means a 'good' (or 'real') life free from attachment to illusions, hatred, emotional stress and everything that stands for 'suffering'. we also misunderstand the idea of suffering (Suffering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and we use this notion differently. philosophy and religion are supposed to explain our suffering and how to deal with it. had we not been suffering at all, no religion would have ever been born as a necessity.

and of course by no means little children who die from disease, or in wars, or from adults' cruelty, have in a way "asked for it" or "caused it to themselves". have you ever met a guilty victim? why is a little child a victim while an adult gets justified for his actions and get what he deserves? one might argue that nothing he has ever thought or done deserves that kind of punishment and i would agree. what has a kid born in poverty and war ever done to deserve poverty and war? in this case, the kid has done nothing at all to deserve this kind of life, like other kids who are born in riches and comforts have also done nothing to deserve this kind of life. and why do some people are favored by the universe with "good luck" and happiness (or so it seems) while others are destined to suffer with "bad luck" and unhappiness? can these two reverse, or change places? well, life has shown that they can. people who have suffered a lot as children have managed to lead a "good life", and people who have not suffered as children have managed to become crooks or lead a stressful and full of suffering life. so, that means that by the power of these teachings, and if we are able to grasp their true meaning, whatever our place in this world is, we are supposed to be able to liberate ourselves from this bondage. and leading a good spiritual life, is supposed to free you from the suffering of life (the samsara), "really" live your current life to the fullest (nirvana), hence get rid of your karma or sin and be one with God, or life, or the universe, during this life and after you die.

but do we really need these teachings to do that? in our (internet) times, maybe not. but it depends. in this forum, i have seen many christians (to their understanding of the cosmos) being against christianity and calling themselves non christians, while their beliefs and understanding derive from their christian background. we have managed to divide everything to so many pieces, that the whole became unrecognizable. not only christianity has been divided to hundreds of variations and cults, but every other religion there exists in the world today. it's a matter of the politics, the civilization and the society that we create. for example, are you oppressed by a neighbor, a neighbor country or a tyrant? then he is definitely on the "other" side, a recruit of satan, evil alien beings, demons, darkness, what you are not and even an embodiment of these, or a shape shifter who is an enemy but poses as your friend. and this has nothing to do with your religion, no matter which one it is, but with the interpretation of it.

armoured_amazon
20-02-2008, 06:05 PM
if your god is so benevolent why will he judge us?

I'm going to be judged too. What's the point in a new earth if all the people that ruined the old one pass through? :)

In matters of reincarnation (and the idea of 'karma') social inequality is perpetuated on the authority of divine will???? People in poverty remain trapped in poverty. However much people try to better their lot in this birth, they cannot help it because of the accumulated sins of the past. Wonderful.

synergy777
20-02-2008, 08:18 PM
i say there is one creator, one creator who caused the big bang, formation of the cosmos, people, animals, spirit/soul etc.

some call him brahma, yahweh, allah, the source, most high, father/mother etc.

these are all names for the same thing.

does he/she offer us guidance yes, compassionate living is the message.

those who follow the many religions of earth but do not engage in compassionate living are wrong, its them who are wrong not the message/guidelines.

the organised religions trap us in the fear/guilt matrix in order to control us and disconnect us from the source and eachother/nature.

thus we never see the source/most high clearly and then when we find out the corruption/lies of organised religion/clergy/elite, we reject all teachings, this is an error.

i am not perfect, i sin, i do wrong.

i wish i was connected to the source, i wish was guided/helped but alas i am not.

is life a punishment for past wrongs, karma being played out, its seems like it, but thats my responsibility/faults/mistakes/sins, not the creators/source fault.

do i hate the source, no, am i angered by his rejection, yes.

do i feel a breach of trust, yes i do.

however just because the source treats me and others this way, does that mean the source is wrong and i am right , no it does not.

irrespective of my life/treatment, i still believe there is a positive, loving, compassionate, merciful, empowering source/god/creator.

talkingchimp
21-02-2008, 11:29 AM
I'm going to be judged too. What's the point in a new earth if all the people that ruined the old one pass through? :)

In matters of reincarnation (and the idea of 'karma') social inequality is perpetuated on the authority of divine will???? People in poverty remain trapped in poverty. However much people try to better their lot in this birth, they cannot help it because of the accumulated sins of the past. Wonderful.

ah....karma, i would suggest you ought research the roots of hinduism and the caste system involved, another control system keeping people in line fundamentally saying if you're a very good girl or boy, you might just get a little higher up the caste system next time. And i believe our medieval torture techniques were merely borrowed from earlier brahmin ideas.......doesnt sound in line with karma to me. perhaps if we as in humans in general, laid down our differences which divide us, religion, politics, skin tone, sex, age, football, whatever sectarianism there is dividing us, we as a species could assist one and other in cooperation rather than squabbling about my gods bigger than your god etc. i dont know if there is a god or many or not, what i do know is we are in a mess.......its time for a change.

armoured_amazon
21-02-2008, 11:32 AM
ah....karma, i would suggest you ought research the roots of hinduism and the caste system involved, another control system keeping people in line fundamentally saying if you're a very good girl or boy, you might just get a little higher up the caste system next time. And i believe our medieval torture techniques were merely borrowed from earlier brahmin ideas.......doesnt sound in line with karma to me. perhaps if we as in humans in general, laid down our differences which divide us, religion, politics, skin tone, sex, age, football, whatever sectarianism there is dividing us, we as a species could assist one and other in cooperation rather than squabbling about my gods bigger than your god etc. i dont know if there is a god or many or not, what i do know is we are in a mess.......its time for a change.

Yup.

deliciously_fresh
21-02-2008, 04:27 PM
i say there is one creator, one creator who caused the big bang, formation of the cosmos, people, animals, spirit/soul etc.

some call him brahma, yahweh, allah, the source, most high, father/mother etc.

these are all names for the same thing.

does he/she offer us guidance yes, compassionate living is the message.

those who follow the many religions of earth but do not engage in compassionate living are wrong, its them who are wrong not the message/guidelines.

the organised religions trap us in the fear/guilt matrix in order to control us and disconnect us from the source and eachother/nature.

thus we never see the source/most high clearly and then when we find out the corruption/lies of organised religion/clergy/elite, we reject all teachings, this is an error.

i am not perfect, i sin, i do wrong.

i wish i was connected to the source, i wish was guided/helped but alas i am not.

is life a punishment for past wrongs, karma being played out, its seems like it, but thats my responsibility/faults/mistakes/sins, not the creators/source fault.

do i hate the source, no, am i angered by his rejection, yes.

do i feel a breach of trust, yes i do.

however just because the source treats me and others this way, does that mean the source is wrong and i am right , no it does not.

irrespective of my life/treatment, i still believe there is a positive, loving, compassionate, merciful, empowering source/god/creator.

Why do you feel you have been rejected?

ichi wa zen
23-02-2008, 11:23 AM
Jesus was a great guy who taught people about love.

The book, that was written in his name by evil bad guys is pure evil and has nothing to do with Jesus anymore.

Forget about the Bible, think only of Jesus.

madthumbs
23-02-2008, 04:48 PM
Forget about the Bible, think only of Jesus.

Customized version of this imaginary friend? Why not rename your friend to not be associated with the sicko imaginary God?

intruder
23-02-2008, 05:30 PM
unpretentious robes, and stylin' footwear!!!!

optimus pigpot
26-02-2008, 11:00 PM
Jesus was a great guy who taught people about love.

The book, that was written in his name by evil bad guys is pure evil and has nothing to do with Jesus anymore.

Forget about the Bible, think only of Jesus.

Ludicrous, spurious, nonsense.

Unbelievable.

optimus pigpot
26-02-2008, 11:03 PM
He wasn't and isn't such a good man because he never existed. Simple isn't it. We done this before. There is absolutely no independant evidence to back up the idea that Jesus existed. Forget the Bible and the like and forget Jesus and the like.

Good, no need to answer any more stupid posts about fictionary characters then.

armoured_amazon
26-02-2008, 11:27 PM
He wasn't and isn't such a good man because he never existed. Simple isn't it. We done this before. There is absolutely no independant evidence to back up the idea that Jesus existed. Forget the Bible and the like and forget Jesus and the like.

Good, no need to answer any more stupid posts about fictionary characters then.

*snickers*

You know you sound exactly like the people who don't believe anything outside of what they are fed by the government when I try to tell them about the global elite and NWO etc.

And there's actually a ton more evidence for him existing than Plato, Caesar and Aristotle.

jamston
26-02-2008, 11:30 PM
And there's actually a ton more evidence for him existing than Plato, Caesar and Aristotle.

Er, where is this 'ton' exactly?

optimus pigpot
27-02-2008, 12:56 AM
Er, where is this 'ton' exactly?

And I never said they existed either. Has Armoured Amazon been to Plato's house and had tea with him then?

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 01:20 AM
Are you two butt buddies or something? You're joined at the hip...or somewhere....

jamston
27-02-2008, 01:40 AM
Good tactic, when asked to provide proof you make asertions to homosexuality, nice.

Check where my 30 odd posts have been, about six of them have been in two threads in religion. A few have been talking to you, quite civily, in a music related thread. And these are the only threads where ive encountered pigpot, so madam, i call farce on your childish taunts :p

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 11:49 AM
Good tactic, when asked to provide proof you make asertions to homosexuality, nice.

Check where my 30 odd posts have been, about six of them have been in two threads in religion. A few have been talking to you, quite civily, in a music related thread. And these are the only threads where ive encountered pigpot, so madam, i call farce on your childish taunts :p

Well I can only apologise as I can see that would be interpreted as gaybashing and that was not my intention. What other word should have sprung to mind when I noticed both of you trolling my posts in multiple threads? Conjoined twins? F*** buddies? The same forum user with two IDs? :rolleyes:

madthumbs
27-02-2008, 05:01 PM
Come clean about your sick religion armoured_amazon.

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)

You are attempting to infect the forum with racism, bigotry, and other barbaric religious beliefs.

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 05:11 PM
Come clean about your sick religion armoured_amazon.

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)

You are attempting to infect the forum with racism, bigotry, and other barbaric religious beliefs.

:rolleyes:

All people are loved by God.People of different shapes, sizes, colours and orientations. Even people who stir the pot like you! To be a true Christian, one must open his or her arms to everyone. The highest act of love under God is man and woman producing children, which is what God intended and THIS is why God wants men to be with women. To further the human race. It's nothing to do with hatred...but you're all about that.

And no sin is greater than another.

:rolleyes:

eta: Yeshua himself has fulfilled the Temple system.

snoopsnuffleopagus
27-02-2008, 05:27 PM
Cordial Felicitations Madthumbs:


I am not AA, but I know a little bit of the Torah as in its context within YHVHs plan.

This particular Law is a: Health Safety and Welfare issue, that benefits the group rather than the individual.

Becoming aware of the biological qualities of the 'excited effluvia' of a Males Noo-Noo.

Scientifically Speaking: 'Stuff Happens' when this materiel is injected into other Biological Organisms.

Sometimes it results in creation of a new Human being, many other times it becomes another kind of bio-logical organism, that has deleterious effects upon the Host Organism.

Thus creating: Dis-ease

And please recall: With the Advent of Yahshua (jesus), the Penalty Phase of the Law is to be performed by one who is without sin.

As there is a Global Dearth of those who are Biblically Sinless, who, I ask you, who, is to carry out the penalty?

Perhaps the problem is on your end?



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 05:33 PM
:)

Basically, to sum up Christianity in one sentence:

"Love the Lord God with all your heart and love one another."

jamston
27-02-2008, 05:47 PM
:)

Basically, to sum up Christianity in one sentence:


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/jimihedrex/1182333474128ri0.jpg

I think this rather long sentance does it better :P

Sorry, couldnt resist lol

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 06:03 PM
Can't help yourself, can you? All you're doing is being a poster child for why I'm glad not to be hateful.

jamston
27-02-2008, 06:16 PM
hahahahahahahaaa you take yourself far too seriously, im out


oh btw

All you're doing is being a poster child for why I'm glad not to be hateful.

..... catchy

:confused:

marmadukehussy
27-02-2008, 08:41 PM
[QUOTE=armoured_amazon;285587]:)

Basically, to sum up Christianity in one sentence:




jesus christ is a mushroom

bigus_dickus
27-02-2008, 09:03 PM
jesus christ is a mushroom

george bush is a pancake

ablaze
27-02-2008, 09:06 PM
Can't help yourself, can you? All you're doing is being a poster child for why I'm glad not to be hateful.

Poking fun at the lunacies of fundamentalist dogma is not hateful; at least not in the same way the fundamentalist religions have displayed hatred toward all philosophies and outlooks which differ from their own dogmas... you want to talk about hateful and intolerant. Fundamentalism religions like orthodox Christianity, have been the cause of the most vile of hatred, war and strife on the planet... helping to shatter these crazy mind control systems that have enslaved the masses for centuries, can only be a good thing in progressing past the 'hatreds' of the past...

No offense, but why are you on the David Icke forum anyway? when he is all about shattering these Matrix belief systems... there can only be one reason: to be a troll for your religious beliefs...

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 09:18 PM
Poking fun at the lunacies of fundamentalist dogma is not hateful; at least not in the same way the fundamentalist religions have displayed hatred toward all philosophies and outlooks which differ from their own dogmas... you want to talk about hateful and intolerant. Fundamentalism religions like orthodox Christianity, have been the cause of the most vile of hatred, war and strife on the planet... helping to shatter these crazy mind control systems that have enslaved the masses for centuries, can only be a good thing in progressing past the 'hatreds' of the past...

No offense, but why are you on the David Icke forum anyway? when he is all about shattering these Matrix belief systems... there can only be one reason: to be a troll for your religious beliefs...

Be still in your own delusion. :)

jamston
27-02-2008, 09:18 PM
Poking fun at the lunacies of fundamentalist dogma is not hateful; at least not in the same way the fundamentalist religions have displayed hatred toward all philosophies and outlooks which differ from their own dogmas... you want to talk about hateful and intolerant. Fundamentalism religions like orthodox Christianity, have been the cause of the most vile of hatred, war and strife on the planet... helping to shatter these crazy mind control systems that have enslaved the masses for centuries, can only be a good thing in progressing past the 'hatreds' of the past...

No offense, but why are you on the David Icke forum anyway? when he is all about shattering these Matrix belief systems... there can only be one reason: to be a troll for your religious beliefs...

clap clap, preeeecisely

Its just a shame amazon didnt really see it for what it was, poking fun. Lol did i troll the troll?

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 09:20 PM
clap clap, preeeecisely

Its just a shame amazon didnt really see it for what it was, poking fun. Lol did i troll the troll?

Oh I saw your action for exactly what it was.

edit
27-02-2008, 09:24 PM
Norwegian Connections - ?

Norwegian Connections - (See Seed Vault Below) (http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html)
Norway - Svalbard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Imprints - Seeding the Future
http://www.crystalinks.com/seedvault208.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/seedvault208a.jpg

ablaze
27-02-2008, 09:25 PM
Yup.

Karma and Reincarnation are even known in Orthodox Judaism and esoteric Christianity... reincarnation and karma are not just a Hindu/Buddhist "belief"... they've been universally taught by those with the deeper metaphysical awareness of the Matrix Game.

BTW: The realized "Yogi" sages, like Paramhansa Yogananda and Amma, a true saint on the planet, have all condemned perverted and corrupt understandings of karmic casteism. Which is nothing more than the fundamentalist institution of Pharisee thinking, without the inner spiritual understanding of the outer concepts or teachings. The Upanishads, the greatest writings of Vedanta, say the Self is the same in ALL, and Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything else is Illusion (Maya).. the message of the yogis is no different than the messages Icke has received while in states of samadhi (cosmic consciousness)... These same realizations are taught by the realized sages of all spiritual currents.... even esoteric Christianity.

As to reincarnation. When reincarnation is realized for what it is, all the contradictions and vile dogmas of fundamentalism (such as eternal damnation) which have plagued the western religionists mindset are repudiated...and the soul can find peace on it's path to enlightenment. Anxieties about finding the Truth in one lifetime, OR ELSE, are cast aside... we are eternal souls, and no matter how far we get lost in the Matrix, we are only Self-Realization away from getting unplugged, and finally transcending the reincarnation cycle.. as even Jesus taught (if one believes in him as a literal figure or not).. "him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out..." (Rev. 3:12). Reincarnation is the missing teaching in orthodox Christianity... and it is why they remain so ignorant and intolerant of the metaphysical...

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 09:27 PM
Matt. 22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

edit
27-02-2008, 09:29 PM
Karma and Reincarnation are even known in Orthodox Judaism and esoteric Christianity...

why is there karma at all ( and its anout not destroyed energy - but transver of it - towards another person - see the pure? pigs and jesus in a bible)
why - if there are \ powers\ to make all sorts of physical realities together with the time-loops ( we can see them now) in it as well?

craven dark
27-02-2008, 09:32 PM
Matt. 22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Get some glasses is my advice:D

jamston
27-02-2008, 09:37 PM
Oh I saw your action for exactly what it was.

alright alright if you insist...

If you saw it for gentle fun poking, then why pray tell did you resort back to the ol classic, godless people are full of hate? Why not laugh it off? While we're at it, just for my own entertainment, show me where ive been 'hateful' .... anywhere on the forum or the whole bloody internet for that matter

ablaze
27-02-2008, 09:37 PM
why is there karma at all ( and its anout not destroyed energy - but transver of it - towards another person - see the pure? pigs and jesus in a bible)
why - if there are \ powers\ to make all sorts of physical realities together with the time-loops ( we can see them now) in it as well?

It's just a cause and effect program of the Matrix. It exists on a very subtle level, and is buried within our subtle energy fields and mind... this is how it can effect us, even though we may not be consciously aware of things from past lives or early chilldhood; on an astral and subconcious level, memories and actions are still there, buried in our subconscious, waiting for trigger points, to bloom.

The good news is Karma can be transcended, as we Awaken out of the Matrix game, any buried crap in our subconcious or energy fields will automatically burn up without ever coming to fruition.

We ONLY experience the fruits of karma because of our ignorance of the Matrix game, our true Self AND the deeper metaphysical realities...

Karma from the transcendental perspective is Illusion, like these physical bodies are an Illusion - but within the Matrix perspective, it's real.... actions have reactions.... that's karma in a nutshell.

bigus_dickus
27-02-2008, 09:37 PM
why is there karma at all ( and its anout not destroyed energy - but transver of it - towards another person - see the pure? pigs and jesus in a bible)
why - if there are \ powers\ to make all sorts of physical realities together with the time-loops ( we can see them now) in it as well?

great question, i have never even come close to answering that. then i conclude that it is because of my ignorance. either i knew and i forgot everything, or i can only remember what has to do with meanings conveyed with spoken language, or i was nothing and i am going to be nothing.

ablaze
27-02-2008, 09:40 PM
Matt. 22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Gospel of Thomas, Saying 3: Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 09:45 PM
Gospel of Thomas, Saying 3: Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."


You don't even understand what that means.

edit
27-02-2008, 09:47 PM
great question, i have never even come close to answering that. then i conclude that it is because of my ignorance. either i knew and i forgot everything, or i can only remember what has to do with meanings conveyed with spoken language, or i was nothing and i am going to be nothing.Karma from the transcendental perspective is Illusion, like these physical bodies are an Illusion -
that is why i asked - the illusion is made by who - on a global scale? and thrugh the times? for what -

no one answer is or can be really real - yet.. there are powers leading in that
who-what ?
there are in every cell - possibilities of compleate universes - that can pop up any moment - are there those powers with theirs understanding of oneness and the function of the particulars above them (cells)? or below them? are they connected, if they are above us? and..if time is not - where are they ?
what is echo?
can it be in a negative space, too?
like immagined space?
but the function is important - how is that created for the evolusion of an water vapor to god?
does the water-vapor particle think and imagine?
that illusion is what means - the situation created - so situations are created - imagined (or followed )by the powers' yes? so they have a function in the all
and there is an in-out never seesing puls as well as feeling>? of growing-ascending ( see http://www.opendoor.com/envision/images/Mandlebrot.jpgfractals too grow)
just my babblings..bublings..http://maplestorystreet.com/forums/customavatars/avatar27229_14.gif

ablaze
27-02-2008, 09:54 PM
You don't even understand what that means.

I do.. but care to explain your understanding?

The Kingdom is within you.. you are the Temple of God.... the divine spark, the Pneuma, the Atman, the true Self - which is one with the Source, is within you... in Him, you live move and have your Being... the holy Spirit, is the Divine Mother; Shakti, the Cosmic Power; the Kundalini serpent at the base of the spine, which rises to the crown chakra, to merge into Infinite Consciousness, the sole Reality; beyond Maya, beyond the Matrix... this is Christ consciousness, Buddhahood (the Awakened State).... when the serpent crawls on the dust (and the mind is absorbed in the flesh or ego identity), you dwell in poverty, spiritual ignorance, the Matrix; when She (the Spirit within) is lifted up, as Moses did symbolically with the Serpent in the wilderness, you will reach God-Realization within your-Self.. you discover the Kingdom within..

This knowledge is universal, but exoteric religion has covered it up, lacking the deeper understanding..

The Kingdom is within... it really doesn't get much more simple. But dogma clouds understanding..

ablaze
27-02-2008, 10:03 PM
that is why i asked - the illusion is made by who - on a global scale? and thrugh the times? for what -

no one answer is or can be really real - yet.. there are powers leading in that
who-what ?
there are in every cell - possibilities of compleate universes - that can pop up any moment - are there those powers with theirs understanding of oneness and the function of the particulars above them (cells)? or below them? are they connected, if they are above us? and..if time is not - where are they ?
what is echo?
can it be in a negative space, too?
like immagined space?
but the function is important - how is that created for the evolusion of an water vapor to god?
does the water-vapor particle think and imagine?
that illusion is what means - the situation created - so situations are created - imagined (or followed )by the powers' yes? so they have a function in the all
and there is an in-out never seesing puls as well as feeling>? of growing-ascending ( see fracrals too grow)
just my babblings..

The Matrix exists... how it exists, is do to cosmic ignorance.. I do know there are forces like the archons, asuras, Draconians, and other ET's or UT's (ultraterrestrials), but they are just channeling aspects of a certain polarity within the Matrix system, and not the inventors, in my view (more like machine operators)... what I really care about is transcending the Matrix/Maya.. then we can better see the how and why it all came about.. right now we have a hard enough time even realizing we're in an Illusion here, let alone knowing how we got in this mess... got to free ourselves of this Self-amnesia to fully understand how it all has come about... :)

armoured_amazon
27-02-2008, 10:21 PM
I do.. but care to explain your understanding?

Why, when you have all the answers?

madthumbs
28-02-2008, 12:36 AM
:rolleyes:

All people are loved by God.People of different shapes, sizes, colours and orientations. Even people who stir the pot like you! To be a true Christian, one must open his or her arms to everyone. The highest act of love under God is man and woman producing children, which is what God intended and THIS is why God wants men to be with women. To further the human race. It's nothing to do with hatred...but you're all about that.

And no sin is greater than another.

:rolleyes:

eta: Yeshua himself has fulfilled the Temple system.

You are a liar.

Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

one must open his or her arms to everyone

Quote!

The highest act of love under God is man and woman producing children, which is what God intended and THIS is why God wants men to be with women.

Quote!

You aren't substantiating your religion by making crap up. You're lying to us and whitewashing for this sickness.

We know it's ok for Christians to lie:

Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Your God is blood lusting. -Nothing to do with love.

armoured_amazon
28-02-2008, 06:53 AM
Man, I SO have to bite my tongue right now. I've just woken up and I'm at my least polite to nitwits early in the morning. I have nothing more to say to you. You're like a brat with a fixed idea. If my God is so bad DON'T COME NEAR HIM. You can go elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.

Proverbs 15:14
The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.

Proverbs 18:1-3
1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends;
he defies all sound judgment.
2 A fool finds no pleasure in understanding
but delights in airing his own opinions.
3 When wickedness comes, so does contempt,
and with shame comes disgrace.

Ecclesiastes 10:12
Words from a wise man's mouth are gracious, but a fool is consumed by his own lips.

James 1:2-8
2Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8he is a doubleminded man, unstable in all he does.

optimus pigpot
28-02-2008, 07:48 AM
Man, I SO have to bite my tongue right now. I've just woken up and I'm at my least polite to nitwits early in the morning. I have nothing more to say to you. You're like a brat with a fixed idea. If my God is so bad DON'T COME NEAR HIM. You can go elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.

Proverbs 15:14
The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.

Proverbs 18:1-3
1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends;
he defies all sound judgment.
2 A fool finds no pleasure in understanding
but delights in airing his own opinions.
3 When wickedness comes, so does contempt,
and with shame comes disgrace.

Ecclesiastes 10:12
Words from a wise man's mouth are gracious, but a fool is consumed by his own lips.

James 1:2-8
2Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8he is a doubleminded man, unstable in all he does.

And come back on your own!!!

ablaze
28-02-2008, 08:58 AM
Man, I SO have to bite my tongue right now. I've just woken up and I'm at my least polite to nitwits early in the morning. I have nothing more to say to you. You're like a brat with a fixed idea. If my God is so bad DON'T COME NEAR HIM. You can go elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.

Proverbs 15:14
The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.

Proverbs 18:1-3
1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends;
he defies all sound judgment.
2 A fool finds no pleasure in understanding
but delights in airing his own opinions.
3 When wickedness comes, so does contempt,
and with shame comes disgrace.

Ecclesiastes 10:12
Words from a wise man's mouth are gracious, but a fool is consumed by his own lips.

James 1:2-8
2Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8he is a doubleminded man, unstable in all he does.

Yawn. All you can do is Bible Thump? Not that there aren't some true statements in Solomon's writings.... but they are not fully realized, by the fundamentalists, who parrot them, but don't meditate on them. Proverbs and Ecclesiastes are good reads... they even speak of reincarnation and the Wheel of Samsara...

Eccle. chapt. 1:
4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full: unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

May you one day break the chains of dogma you are now under, no hate here, many of us have been where you are now.. when you know the Kingdom is within you, you see not only are scriptures not needed, most often, all they do is just complicate things with ignorant understanding of the dead letter, dogma and 'belief systems', which separate you from the Truth which you can easily discover within, thru meditation.... it's all about experience and realization, not religious teachings. Religion is the greatest mind control tool of the Matrix controllers... keeps ya good little braindead sheep, under the control of what some religious leaders tell you, where you can parrot creeds, preachers and proclaimed holy writings, insteading of seeking the real metaphysical awareness and Self-knowledge for yourSELF.

Here's a quote for you...

"Within thee is Hidden the Treasure of treasures, O Man, Know ThySelf, and you shall know the Universe and its Comsic Powers..."

That's what it's all about... Self-Realization. Unplugging from the Matrix. You already know all this, you just need to Remember it.... that's why Jesus says in the Gospel of Thomas, "I AM NOT your Teacher." The Christ Consciousness is within you... if you meet the Buddha or Jesus on the road, kill them.. meditate on that little Zen Koan...

snoopsnuffleopagus
28-02-2008, 10:25 AM
Cordial Felicitations Ablaze:

You have a common mis-conception that the Book of Yahweh and the Torah, and the Message of Yahshua, have any similarities to the Eastern disciplines you so ardently embrace.

'Christ Cosciousness' Indeed :D


No Karma


No Re-Incarnation

There Is: Development of Robust Moral Character through Teaching, Studying and Living by the 613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes of the Torah.


Yahshuas' Teachings are quite explicit as to: Plan, Purpose, How To, Ultimate Goal.


I say: Embrace what you will, let others embrace what they enjoy.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

bigus_dickus
28-02-2008, 03:03 PM
Religion is the greatest mind control tool of the Matrix controllers... keeps ya good little braindead sheep, under the control of what some religious leaders tell you, where you can parrot creeds, preachers and proclaimed holy writings, insteading of seeking the real metaphysical awareness and Self-knowledge for yourSELF.

"religion is the greatest mind control tool of the Matrix controllers"

yet you preach a religion. why do you do that?

sunyatta60
28-02-2008, 03:15 PM
Anyone who really thinks Jesus existed needs to have their head examined to see if they have a brain.

This guy explains it best and he alludes to docetism Jesus means different things to different people because he exist only in their minds.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3892805257653534598

deliciously_fresh
28-02-2008, 03:22 PM
A religion is a set of beliefs and practices often organized around supernatural and moral claims, and often codified as prayer, ritual, and religious law. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and mystic experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anyone who follows some type of spiritual doctrine is religious. Whether it's Buddhism, Jesus Christ, Wicca or whatever.

The irony of people attacking Christians, Muslims or Jews yet following a spiritual code of conduct themselves. Fucking hilarious. :D

sunyatta60
29-02-2008, 08:10 AM
[QUOTE=LasseMaja;274702]Jesus taught about love, sharing, healing, micracles and so on.

Not according to this short clip most of the verses highlighted here are not taught in Church they are X-rated.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/1FDF3828A6ED4FFA99BCBA6AF9D3710F/who-was-jesus-fingerprints-of.aspx

optimus pigpot
29-02-2008, 08:24 AM
Cordial Felicitations Ablaze:
'Christ Cosciousness' Indeed :D


No Karma


No Re-Incarnation

There Is: Development of Robust Moral Character through Teaching, Studying and Living by the 613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes of the Torah.Just like Yisrael Hawkins

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

More mind control. Follow no-one only your nose. Yahweh indeed. What juvenile nonsense.

Kindest regards old foe.

Op.

madthumbs
29-02-2008, 01:54 PM
[QUOTE=LasseMaja;274702]Jesus taught about love, sharing, healing, micracles and so on.

Not according to this short clip most of the verses highlighted here are not taught in Church they are X-rated.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/1FDF3828A6ED4FFA99BCBA6AF9D3710F/who-was-jesus-fingerprints-of.aspx

Acharya is a fraud and a Zionist. Many of her claims about comparative religion don't hold up. Acharya isn't even her legal name, it's a self appointed title.

marmadukehussy
29-02-2008, 03:44 PM
george bush is a pancake

george bush is a twat

psychicdefender
29-02-2008, 04:02 PM
george bush is a twat

George Bush is a kind, considerate man who cares greatly for each and every one of us, I would love to have him round for tea but can't bring myself to distract him from his important work, spreading the message of love across the face of the earth. I hope he reads this message, I love you! :eek:

bigus_dickus
29-02-2008, 04:05 PM
george bush is a twat

ok, that's eatable.

marmadukehussy
29-02-2008, 04:23 PM
Man, I SO have to bite my tongue right now. I've just woken up and I'm at my least polite to nitwits early in the morning. I have nothing more to say to you. You're like a brat with a fixed idea. If my God is so bad DON'T COME NEAR HIM. You can go elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Psalm 53:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.

Proverbs 15:14
The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.

Proverbs 18:1-3
1 An unfriendly man pursues selfish ends;
he defies all sound judgment.
2 A fool finds no pleasure in understanding
but delights in airing his own opinions.
3 When wickedness comes, so does contempt,
and with shame comes disgrace.

Ecclesiastes 10:12
Words from a wise man's mouth are gracious, but a fool is consumed by his own lips.

James 1:2-8
2Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8he is a doubleminded man, unstable in all he does.

yes good old bible quotes, heres a couple that got me thinking
The trees of life and of moral knowledge appear on page 2 of most bibles:

And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground–trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (Genesis 2:9). And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.” (2:16-17). When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. (3:6).

And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” (3:22). After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. (3:24)

God’s permission “to eat from any tree in the garden; but ... not ... from the tree of knowledge” logically implies that eating the fruit from the tree of life was permitted, until driving “the man” out from the garden and erecting a barrier or gate formed by a flaming sword. Were the man to get past the flaming sword, he would eat the fruit of the tree of life – originally permitted – and “live forever”. Living forever, or non-dying, is a promise or reward put forth in the New Testament; in Revelation, that reward implicitly occurs in conjunction with eating the fruit from the tree of life.

they say the bible is a book of codes which has dualistic meanings, so what could this fruit be? i mean it definitely was not an apple as i have eaten many apples an never had any ill effect well apart from drinking to much cider.

bigus_dickus
29-02-2008, 06:08 PM
they say the bible is a book of codes which has dualistic meanings, so what could this fruit be? i mean it definitely was not an apple as i have eaten many apples an never had any ill effect well apart from drinking to much cider.

if it was a literal fruit or food, its name would have been written.

sunyatta60
29-02-2008, 10:24 PM
[QUOTE=sunyatta60;287781]

Acharya is a fraud and a Zionist. Many of her claims about comparative religion don't hold up. Acharya isn't even her legal name, it's a self appointed title.

First Point, she writes under the name Acharay S but this book is written under her real name D. Murdoch.
Second point she is not a supporter of Zionism anymore than Icke is. If you have evdience to the contrary please post it.

madthumbs
01-03-2008, 01:04 AM
Frankly, I'm not a big Palestinian supporter either. So long as Islam and its attendant anti-woman horrors reign supreme there, I'm not interested in trumpeting its glory. Israel I don't care much for either, but at least the secular society doesn't treat its women like shit, and honor killings are not an ingrained aspect of society.

-From TBK forums.

Is she related to Rupert Murdoch?

razed1
01-03-2008, 03:03 PM
Well their game is to try to marginalize us as `FUNDIES'. (IOW - Christians don't THINK. If they DID they wouldn't believe in Christ).

RE-INCARNATION: I have given this subject much thought. Especially having lived and worked in a country which is 95% Buddhist - Thailand. In fact I just returned from another trip to SEA a few months ago. Re-incarnation is a spiritual/mental TRAP. Why? Because if you are poor if you are suffering - there is no pity no mercy for you - it's your bad KARMA. You deserve to suffer and so do your children. The best you can do is accept your fate, suffer through this life and hope for a better one in the next. Talk about a PRISON RELIGION. Re-incarnation is why you have one hundred million UNTOUCHABLES in India.

Re-incarnation made it impossible for Buddha to teach the SHUDRAS (Untouchables), they were not worthy. Re-incarnation is what made Buddha deny the existence of the Immortal Soul, because the Immortal Soul is the foundation for belief in Re-incarnation.

Jesus teaching in this regard is correct. He did not deny the existence of the Immortal Soul, in fact he glorified it, but he did not teach re-incarnation. If so, he would not have been able to teach the wretched masses, the slaves, the crippled and sick etc. The Pharisees and the Saducees considered such people unworthy. These unworthies were the main recipients of His message - The Kingdom of Heavan is Here NOW.

i think you have MISunderstood what is meant by reincarnation

octopusrex
01-03-2008, 05:56 PM
Best you ask Judas if Jesus was a good guy.

unclassifiable
02-03-2008, 08:35 AM
[QUOTE=sunyatta60;287781]

Acharya is a fraud and a Zionist. Many of her claims about comparative religion don't hold up. Acharya isn't even her legal name, it's a self appointed title.

Be careful who you are calling a fraud. The assumption Acharya is a Zionist is a fraudulent claim. As for wether her claims about comparative religon hold up....let others with sincere, intelligent open minds decide for themselves. You are no authority on that question, I assure you. You are here only to flame someone with whom you have had some impetuous disagreements. That doesn't give you the right to go around spewing garbage about their person. That belittle's your character by doing so.

I disagree with her on some things, but I don't go around blaspheming her person just because we don't see eye-to-eye on some subjects. She is a genuine sincere person with no agenda but her own, which is to dispell the fraud that literalist RELIGON is as it has come down to us in the filthiest forms. People just can't pick and choose what they like out of "Hole-y Books", without acknowledging the greater filth, contradiction and nonsense which even a primitive mind would reject as monkey poop.

BTW....I am one of the most rabid "anti-Zionists" and give no quarter to Jewish "religious" and political insanity. The monkey poop called Christianity and Mohammedism issue out of the same mental jungle-maze as that of Judaism. Only people on the road to insanity would give a single one of them any credibility as Truth, moral dictates, ethics or enlightened spirituallity in an sense. Gobble-de-gook!

unclassifiable
02-03-2008, 08:50 AM
-From TBK forums.

Is she related to Rupert Murdoch?

The name is D. Murdock.

I am long distantly related to Micheal Landon of "Little House on the Prairie". So what? He was probably a Christian and I am not. What does some blood relationship have to do with anything, unless there were some actual familial, sociable or business relationship? I am about as far away from nearer relatives as the Sun is to the Moon...so if you catch my drift, don't bother playing the name game unless you have something substantial, if your intent is to imply something sordid.

armoured_amazon
02-03-2008, 08:58 AM
if it was a literal fruit or food, its name would have been written.

+1

And it actually only became known as an apple through German translation (the word for fruit was the same as apple; I don't think it is now). Do you have any theories? :)

Best you ask Judas if Jesus was a good guy.

I think his act of guilt (suicide) would imply that He was.

snoopsnuffleopagus
02-03-2008, 01:42 PM
[QUOTE=armoured_amazon;289742]+1

And it actually only became known as an apple through German translation (the word for fruit was the same as apple; I don't think it is now). Do you have any theories? :)


Cordial Felicitations:

Perhaps this may help:


Strongs Concordance Hebrew Dictionary: Word # 6529 Priyda Fruit, Literally or Figuratively; Bough, REWARD


also :-Pruwda; Priyda from: Word 6504: dispersion,,, Peruda or Perida: One of "Solomons Servants"-Perida; Peruda



IMO it is a 'Metaphorical' Reference to the Two Systems (Trees)

YHVHs Tree of Life: YHVHs Plan, Laws, Systems

Tree of Righteousness & Evil: The Adversaries Babylonish System, Not all bad, yet not all good either.

So I read it as: FRUIT: Reward, Result of embracing the Doctrines of repective Systems.

A Two Path Scenario.


Kindest Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

madthumbs
02-03-2008, 01:47 PM
I think his act of guilt (suicide) would imply that He was.

Did he hang himself from a tree, or did he jump and have his innards fall out?

sunyatta60
02-03-2008, 04:04 PM
-From TBK forums.

Is she related to Rupert Murdoch?

NO!!!

When one person tells a lie, countless others tell it as a Truth.
Mu

drakul
02-03-2008, 04:18 PM
NO!!!

When one person tells a lie, countless others tell it as a Truth.
Mu



And that's EXACTLY what Acharya does. She repeats LIES as TRUTH. Look at her `sources' in `The Christ Conspiracy' - 195 cited references to the books of HIGH RANKING FREEMASONS - most of them written 100+ years ago! Not exactly updated info!

Acharya actually does obeisance in her book to the avowed Luciferians - Albert Pike (33 degree freemason) and Helena Blavatsky. `Christ Conspiracy' actually begins and ends with quotes from Albert Pike's `Morals and Dogma' - THE BIBLE OF FREEMASONRY. Yet some of the knowitalls on this site call us `ignorant brainwashed Fundies'.

How STOOPID can you get?

drakul
02-03-2008, 04:24 PM
You know as hard as the Atheist/Freemasonic Luciferians try to claim that the life of Jesus Christ is just a copy of all the other `crucified divine saviors of the world'; they NEVER talk about the most important thing that Jesus did in his entire ministry. The act that sets Jesus apart from all the other divine prophets and mystery teachers who have walked the earth. The act that had Jesus on the cross the NEXT DAY. The single act of incredible COURAGE which changed the face of the entire culture and religion and mindset of all Europe including Russia AND North Africa.

Can anyone say what that act was?

razed1
02-03-2008, 04:31 PM
And that's EXACTLY what Acharya does. She repeats LIES as TRUTH. Look at her `sources' in `The Christ Conspiracy' - 195 cited references to the books of HIGH RANKING FREEMASONS - most of them written 100+ years ago! Not exactly updated info!

see this statement here shows me how off the mark you are, your logic is reversed,

just cause theyre written 100+ years doesnt decrease their validity one bit,
according to your logic ,the very bible you covet so much should not be taken seriously at all!




Acharya actually does obeisance in her book to the avowed Luciferians - Albert Pike (33 degree freemason) and Helena Blavatsky. `Christ Conspiracy' actually begins and ends with quotes from Albert Pike's `Morals and Dogma' - THE BIBLE OF FREEMASONRY. Yet some of the knowitalls on this site call us `ignorant brainwashed Fundies'.

How STOOPID can you get?

how stoopid can YOU get???

you need to get off your arrogant snooty horse and do some real homework mayne!

craven dark
02-03-2008, 04:33 PM
The act that sets Jesus apart from all the other divine prophets and mystery teachers who have walked the earth. The act that had Jesus on the cross the NEXT DAY.

Forgive me if i'm wrong. But i seem to remember from my Sunday school teaching that Jesus died and was taken down from the cross within six hours.

drakul
02-03-2008, 05:23 PM
Forgive me if i'm wrong. But i seem to remember from my Sunday school teaching that Jesus died and was taken down from the cross within six hours.

It's OK. You misunderstand. Jesus was crucified the day after committing this unique act of great courage.

craven dark
02-03-2008, 05:26 PM
Thanks Drakul, i misunderstood what you were saying:)

drakul
02-03-2008, 05:26 PM
see this statement here shows me how off the mark you are, your logic is reversed,

just cause theyre written 100+ years doesnt decrease their validity one bit,
according to your logic ,the very bible you covet so much should not be taken seriously at all!

how stoopid can YOU get???

you need to get off your arrogant snooty horse and do some real homework mayne!


I have. And you know what? After MANY HOURS of research I just can't find the PRIMARY REFERENCE SOURCES (you know what those are right? Acharya doesn't seem to), that state that Mithra, Horus, Krishna, Buddha, Dionysus, Attis, etc were all CRUCIFIED like Acharya claims. Can you please help me with that oh Wise One?

amethyst
02-03-2008, 06:06 PM
George Bush is a kind, considerate man who cares greatly for each and every one of us, I would love to have him round for tea but can't bring myself to distract him from his important work, spreading the message of love across the face of the earth. I hope he reads this message, I love you! :eek:

I hope you are joking :rolleyes:

armoured_amazon
02-03-2008, 06:24 PM
Did he hang himself from a tree, or did he jump and have his innards fall out?

Dunno, I wasn't there.

craven dark
02-03-2008, 06:26 PM
Dunno, I wasn't there.

And i thought you were a christian, :D

armoured_amazon
02-03-2008, 06:28 PM
And i thought you were a christian, :D

LOL but I wasn't there! Matthew 27:5 tells us that Judas died by hanging himself. Acts 1:18 tells us that Judas fell onto some rocks and his body burst open. So maybe the rope snapped lol. Whether he was dead before or after falling, I do not know. Because I wasn't there :p However, the Acts verse set can't describe an actual physical falling, but it can describe Judas' falling from God... his SPIRITUAL falling from God after losing all his mercy and kindness.

craven dark
02-03-2008, 06:36 PM
Just goes to show, dispite common thought some christians do have a sense of humor.
Well A.A. does anyway:D

armoured_amazon
02-03-2008, 06:40 PM
:D

gracimusic
02-03-2008, 07:07 PM
Jesus existed... yes. But not with that name. Eliah maybe, or maybe another name. He was the Christ, either for political reasons or not... he was there, even if not real, at least a character to spread good news, a good message... maybe a good energy form... and after that, obviously, THEY took the story and changed it to serve their agenda. But remember this: "I GIVE YOU A NEW COMMANDMENT: LOVE EACH OTHERS AS I'VE LOVED YOU, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT OF ALL". Whoever said this (person, character, energy), it is a good message. And this is what we should believe, the good things.

armoured_amazon
02-03-2008, 07:10 PM
Jesus existed... yes. But not with that name. Eliah maybe, or maybe another name. He was the Christ, either for political reasons or not... he was there, even if not real, at least a character to spread good news, a good message... maybe a good energy form... and after that, obviously, THEY took the story and changed it to serve their agenda. But remember this: "I GIVE YOU A NEW COMMANDMENT: LOVE EACH OTHERS AS I'VE LOVED YOU, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT OF ALL". Whoever said this (person, character, energy), it is a good message. And this is what we should believe, the good things.

Yeshua was his proper name, given to him by his parents, and only in Hebrew does this name have any meaning. In Hebrew Yeshua means both "Salvation," and in the other form Yahoshua, is "Lord who is Salvation." The name Jesus has no intrinsic meaning in English whatsoever. Jesus is a translation of the Greek name "Iesous". "Iesous" came over into the Latin "Jesu" and finally into English as "Jesus."

madthumbs
02-03-2008, 07:27 PM
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

- I think the Christian Rabbi's here need a good dose of STFU! ;)

northern_light
02-03-2008, 07:29 PM
It has been stated that Jesus was a wanderer, who incarnated in third density from fouth density(density of love), because he so badly wanted to help humanity as well as he could. Most wanderers usually never remember where they came from and who they are, but maybe Jesus did? Much of his teachings can be perfectly tied into the supposed "4D mentality". It should be added that much of the information we have of his teachings and life, today, most likely is somewhat distorted. However, it still holds some great messages in my opinion.

armoured_amazon
02-03-2008, 07:36 PM
- I think the Christian Rabbi's here need a good dose of STFU! ;)

There's no such thing as a Christian Rabbi.

amethyst
02-03-2008, 07:43 PM
Just goes to show, dispite common thought some christians do have a sense of humor.
Well A.A. does anyway:D

off topic: Craven dark, I liked your "Hitler kitty" avatar better. ;)

synergy777
03-03-2008, 12:10 AM
jesus/yashuah is a good man because he showed arrogant people like you love.

optimus pigpot
03-03-2008, 12:20 AM
jesus/yashuah is a good man because he showed arrogant people like you love.

I think you've been duped very well into believing that you have as you can't show him to me.

synergy777
03-03-2008, 12:22 AM
i have been duped, lol,

what a deluded uneducated and unreseached fool you are bro.

optimus pigpot
03-03-2008, 02:39 AM
i have been duped, lol,

what a deluded uneducated and unreseached fool you are bro.

Then you would be superior in your debate. But it's plainly obvious that you are not and that your Lord will not show himself which further demeans your position and explains the fact that you have no point of view.

I don't care what you've read because I want to know that you and I were there when it was written.

If we weren't (and we definitely weren't there), then the source of the information is unproven.

If you like to give your life to something that you cannot prove carry on.

Oh!! Bye the way, you do not agree with David Icke's work because in the book, "and the truth shall set you free", he states that Jesus and all other mainstream deities etc. NEVER existed. So I suggest Synergy YOU read the books as it is there in black and white.

armoured_amazon
03-03-2008, 03:48 AM
You sound like a cult member. :rolleyes:

madthumbs
03-03-2008, 04:04 AM
Oh!! Bye the way, you do not agree with David Icke's work because in the book, "and the truth shall set you free", he states that Jesus and all other mainstream deities etc. NEVER existed. So I suggest Synergy YOU read the books as it is there in black and white.

I didn't need to read the book to know Jesus never existed. The knowledge is inside me. :D

We can't reason with Christians:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3948092823325256738

armoured_amazon
03-03-2008, 04:11 AM
Just as we can't reason with drowning men.

madthumbs
03-03-2008, 05:40 AM
Just as we can't reason with drowning men.

I don't need a special diet that deprives me of my mental health to believe in what I know to be true.

armoured_amazon
03-03-2008, 06:01 AM
I don't need a special diet that deprives me of my mental health to believe in what I know to be true.

Special diet? Your insult is pointless because I don't have a clue what you're going on about.

optimus pigpot
03-03-2008, 07:36 AM
Jesus existed... yes. But not with that name. Eliah maybe, or maybe another name. He was the Christ, either for political reasons or not... he was there, even if not real, at least a character to spread good news, a good message... maybe a good energy form... and after that, obviously, THEY took the story and changed it to serve their agenda. But remember this: "I GIVE YOU A NEW COMMANDMENT: LOVE EACH OTHERS AS I'VE LOVED YOU, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT OF ALL". Whoever said this (person, character, energy), it is a good message. And this is what we should believe, the good things.

I quote you, "He was the Christ, either for political reasons or not... he was there, even if not real, at least a character to spread good news, a good message..."

I'll have some of those tablets please.

How the fuck does that work!!!

sunyatta60
03-03-2008, 08:56 AM
Anyone claiming that the biblical Jesus really existed needs to read The Second Coming by Freke and Gandy it is really a brilliant book. The Jesus crowd need to examine all of the evidence, but they have been inculcated to believe the nonsense that anything that opposes their world view is inspired by the devil. LOL Honestly, these people are completely screwed up by their church, their bible, and their faith to say nothing of their corrupt preisthood.

synergy777
03-03-2008, 12:02 PM
see there are two jesus's, the one which is a fusion of man/teacher that lived and mystery/solar symbolism.

i believe the man existed, i do not believe the solar symbolism such as being born on the 25th/solar-sol invictus, i do not believe he walked on water/again solar symbolism.

i do not believe he was divinely conceived.

i believe yashuah to be a normal person like us, who aceheived enlightenment and developed his spiritual/mental powers, which is what the cult members like optimus think icke can do.

yashuah never said he was the only son of god, he said we are all the creators/fathers children, thus if the source/creator created us all, what does that make us. our spirit is from the source/creator, our bodies from our parents.

optimus i have read all ickes books, but unlike you i do not follow blindly and i use ickes work as a foundation not the complete answer. i studied all of the data.

icke belives brian desbrough, as in that "whites are from mars", lol

he doesn't even see that aryans are people who follow the vedic life eg compassionate living, veget-arian diet, aryuvedic/holistic medicine, yoga etc. thus anyone who follows the vedic culture is an aryan, from celtic druids, nordic warriors, to indian priests etc.

i have shown that africans, asians, europeans are all one race, i provided dna articles, cultural articles etc.

if icke can know this stuff about matrix/maya/illusion, then he is not the first or the last. people for thousands of years have talked about maya-illusion-matrix, buddha, krishna, yashuah did.

even einstein and huygens showed reality to be a illusion, as in not solid, real but not solid. its the wave/particle duality coupled with electric universe-tesla/holographic construction and finally the observer effect.

its science not some icke monopoly.

so when you say jesus, differentiate between the teacher and the roman/nicene creed product, or is selective recognition your modus operandi?

also as to what i believe or follow, you haven't got a clue bro.

why doesn't icke explain the yashuah, the teacher/rabbi, friend of the poor/oppresssed, rebel/anti establishment. a true revolutionary who even flavius josephus described. explain the sicarri/daggers the zealots who fought against roman/foreign occupation, how time repeats, lol

yashuah today would be labelled a terrorist/insurgent/freedom fighter

research history, religion, science critically analyse, be objective, disprove everything, whats left will be as close to the truth as you can get. be scientific not a fan.

as yashuah said test them by their fruits, ie test the actions, the data, observe/analyse.

as for the old imagination theory/matrix, the could stretch to you, me, and icke etc, so again it falls down.

the aliens/reptiles/feathered serpents/dragons, you and icke speak off, they are in the bible and other religous texts, they are the fallen angels/annunaki, who came from heaven/space.

look at constellations, orion, alpha draconis, pleiades, sirius etc.

the matrix they have us trapped us is symbolic, its spiritual/scientific ignorance.

they keep us in the view we are merely biological beings who live once on earth and thats it, its a symbolic concept.

drakul
03-03-2008, 02:10 PM
[QUOTE=madthumbs;288003]

Be careful who you are calling a fraud. The assumption Acharya is a Zionist is a fraudulent claim. As for wether her claims about comparative religon hold up....let others with sincere, intelligent open minds decide for themselves. You are no authority on that question, I assure you. You are here only to flame someone with whom you have had some impetuous disagreements. That doesn't give you the right to go around spewing garbage about their person. That belittle's your character by doing so.

I disagree with her on some things, but I don't go around blaspheming her person just because we don't see eye-to-eye on some subjects. She is a genuine sincere person with no agenda but her own, which is to dispell the fraud that literalist RELIGON is as it has come down to us in the filthiest forms. People just can't pick and choose what they like out of "Hole-y Books", without acknowledging the greater filth, contradiction and nonsense which even a primitive mind would reject as monkey poop.

BTW....I am one of the most rabid "anti-Zionists" and give no quarter to Jewish "religious" and political insanity. The monkey poop called Christianity and Mohammedism issue out of the same mental jungle-maze as that of Judaism. Only people on the road to insanity would give a single one of them any credibility as Truth, moral dictates, ethics or enlightened spirituallity in an sense. Gobble-de-gook!

What do you think about the 195 cited references to the books of (Illuminati) MASONIC authors that Acharya uses to prove her point in `The Christ Conspiracy' that Christ never existed? Books like Morals and Dogma by `that infamous GOD of Freemasonry Albert Pike' (D. Icke).

What about the LIES that Acharya pushes to prove Jesus never existed? The same lies that Masonic authors have used for hundreds of years, such as: Horus was crucified, Attis was crucified, Dionysus was crucified, Mithra was crucified, Krishna was crucified, etc etc.

If the case against Christ is so strong, so overwhelming - why LIE about it?

bigus_dickus
03-03-2008, 02:40 PM
+1

And it actually only became known as an apple through German translation (the word for fruit was the same as apple; I don't think it is now). Do you have any theories? :)

yes and also from paintings of the scene depicting the fruit as an apple.

there are many theories of what this tree of knowledge could be and what its fruit could be. what is the fruit of knowledge of good and evil? what is the result (or reward as snoop says) from indulging into duality?

one of them could be death, as it is written that they were warned about. so duality transforms eternal life, to life being split to life and death. maybe all dualities and contradictions begin with the "eye opening", along with the recognition of their nakedness, which means that sex also immediately falls to being dual, hence everything becomes a 'double edged' knife and so does sex and procreation. same goes for time, language and everything else which inevitably becomes corrupted after the fall of the humans. it can be seen as the birth of suffering, which is a mind state and not what life is about.

monkyies
03-03-2008, 02:44 PM
yes and also from paintings of the scene depicting the fruit as an apple.

there are many theories of what this tree of knowledge could be and what its fruit could be. what is the fruit of knowledge of good and evil? what is the result (or reward as snoop says) from indulging into duality?

one of them could be death, as it is written that they were warned about. so duality transforms eternal life, to life being split to life and death. maybe all dualities and contradictions begin with the "eye opening", along with the recognition of their nakedness, which means that sex also immediately falls to being dual, hence everything becomes a 'double edged' knife and so does sex and procreation. same goes for time, language and everything else which inevitably becomes corrupted after the fall of the humans. it can be seen as the birth of suffering, which is a mind state and not what life is about.

if you indulge to the death bed, then u will indulge after u die too, but u will indulge even more because ur next body will be made just for that: indulding.

eventually u will be demoniac, ull have all the lowest qualities.

but if u are smart ull do the opposite, u will serve and not b served, u will realize u are not the body but u are full of bliss and knowledge, u will b ecstatic and live forever under the lords wing.

madthumbs
03-03-2008, 02:56 PM
ull have all the lowest qualities

Like the inability to spell?

drakul
03-03-2008, 05:07 PM
[QUOTE=drakul;289730]

What do you think about the 195 cited references to the books of (Illuminati) MASONIC authors that Acharya uses to prove her point in `The Christ Conspiracy' that Christ never existed? Books like Morals and Dogma by `that infamous GOD of Freemasonry Albert Pike' (D. Icke).

What about the LIES that Acharya pushes to prove Jesus never existed? The same lies that Masonic authors have used for hundreds of years, such as: Horus was crucified, Attis was crucified, Dionysus was crucified, Mithra was crucified, Krishna was crucified, etc etc.

If the case against Christ is so strong, so overwhelming - why LIE about it?


MADTHUMBS - What no response? (there never is) yet they claim christians are the brainwashed ones. :rolleyes:

madthumbs
04-03-2008, 05:51 AM
[QUOTE=drakul;290930]


MADTHUMBS - What no response? (there never is) yet they claim christians are the brainwashed ones. :rolleyes:

I think most people are brainwashed to a degree. Christianity's brainwashing supports genocide, slavery, rape, infant genital mutilation, etc. It's not a simple commercial that gets you to buy a Big Mac.

unclassifiable
04-03-2008, 06:27 AM
[QUOTE=unclassifiable;289730]

What do you think about the 195 cited references to the books of (Illuminati) MASONIC authors that Acharya uses to prove her point in `The Christ Conspiracy' that Christ never existed? Books like Morals and Dogma by `that infamous GOD of Freemasonry Albert Pike' (D. Icke).

What about the LIES that Acharya pushes to prove Jesus never existed? The same lies that Masonic authors have used for hundreds of years, such as: Horus was crucified, Attis was crucified, Dionysus was crucified, Mithra was crucified, Krishna was crucified, etc etc.

If the case against Christ is so strong, so overwhelming - why LIE about it?

You have a distorted view of reality. Her quoting any Freemason means nothing. These exist in ancient historical writings and archeological artifacts. To accuse someone of "LYING" is strong words from someone who can't prove some unimportant dude of fictional creation literally existed, because there is NO PROOF.

I suggest you spend less time LYING to yourself about it and seek real Truth. After all, that is more imortant than any person or personification shchoozing you into swallowing a con-job which has managed to be successful for so long in hoodwinking generations under the guise of goodness, Truth, Peace, Love and all that we can seek on our own without some 'BOOK' fabricated a little over 1800 yrs. ago. The first and greatest Truth you have to face is the LIE of all Religon, esp. for most under the sway of this institutional fraud Christianity is that NO SUCH PERSON existed. It is purely fiction with an agenda as with all lies and liars to control, manipuate and dominate others.

Tenets of Love, Truth, Wisdom, Freedom, Justice, Mercy etc. need no single self-appointed or delegated preacher man, or any book to tell them what is best. Simple reason, intelligence and desire from each and every individual is all that is needed. The rest of the crap that is called religon is extraneous window dressing for the gullible, which would be dismissed offhand for toilet flushing by normal reasonable people who THINK, rather than BELIEVE like programmed automatons. The art of con-artistry is very old, but people are so easily fooled to this day because of their UNCRITICAL trusting nature, which ultimately does not make them bad people. Just people wanting to believe the best about others, to trust what they are told is true and much wishful thinking at worst.

sunyatta60
04-03-2008, 08:43 AM
[QUOTE=drakul;290930]


MADTHUMBS - What no response? (there never is) yet they claim christians are the brainwashed ones. :rolleyes:

You have had the response, not the one you want for sure but both I and Icke have responded to your demented diatribe against Acharay and the Zeitgeist.
Your MO is sling enough mud hoping that some sticks.
What you should be doing is proving that your deity really existed. You know you cannot do it and Acharay has produced copious evidence to prove that Christianity is nothing more than a scam, used to subjugate people.



Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche

armoured_amazon
04-03-2008, 08:50 AM
We don't need to prove a thing.

blue
04-03-2008, 12:12 PM
We don't need to prove a thing.

coz you can't. m'kay.

sunyatta60
05-03-2008, 01:37 PM
We don't need to prove a thing.

You do if you want converts LOL the fact is you cannot prove anything. You cannot prove Jesus existed anymore than you can prove the world is real.
I was with a bunch of Jewish friends the other week and made them all laugh when I said out of the blue where is Jesus. No Jewish person is ever named Jesus although I do not know about the Messianic nuts who converted. I am talking about Jews who hold true to Judaism.

''The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.''
Bertrand Russell

armoured_amazon
05-03-2008, 01:41 PM
You do if you want converts LOL

That's right. But you're assuming I'm here to convert people. ;)

sunyatta60
05-03-2008, 01:46 PM
That's right. But you're assuming I'm here to convert people. ;)

LOL you are assuming that I am assuming now that is funny. My point was a general one I see you tacitly acquiesce ;)

``None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.''
Johann Von Goethe

armoured_amazon
05-03-2008, 01:48 PM
The fool takes no delight in understanding, but rather in displaying what he thinks.
-- Proverbs 18:2

sunyatta60
05-03-2008, 02:03 PM
The fool takes no delight in understanding, but rather in displaying what he thinks.
-- Proverbs 18:2

That is you Projecting your obvious foibles onto me, in one post you deemed me to be an all knowing prophet and now you call me a fool. You do know what the bible says about calling your fellow man fool don't you?

1Co 4:10 LOL

This sums it up best imo

Everyman is a divinity in disguise, a god playing the fool.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

armoured_amazon
05-03-2008, 02:14 PM
That is you Projecting your obvious foibles onto me, in one post you deemed me to be an all knowing prophet and now you call me a fool. You do know what the bible says about calling your fellow man fool don't you?

1Co 4:10 LOL

This sums it up best imo

Everyman is a divinity in disguise, a god playing the fool.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

ROFL you're hardly one of Jesus' apostles.

sunyatta60
05-03-2008, 02:16 PM
ROFL you're hardly one of Jesus' apostles.

Jesus is a Myth but Christ is a state of Consciousness hence in order to become wise you must first be foolish, without knowing it you are following in my footsteps LOL



Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche

armoured_amazon
05-03-2008, 02:43 PM
Verily, that is your truth.

madthumbs
05-03-2008, 04:09 PM
What is a WOMAN doing teaching?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church

Basically your God is telling you to STFU.

psychicdefender
05-03-2008, 04:41 PM
I was going to write a long reply myself but it is easier to quote froma nexternal source in this instance.

Taken from: Live with Desire (http://livewithdesire.typepad.com/live_with_desire/2005/07/foolishness_to_.html)

The first time Scripture mentions the notion of female submission is in Paul’s first letter to the church at Corinth. This book contains two such allusions, found in chapters 11 and 14.

The first of these two references is part of a larger discussion of head coverings. I Cor 11:3 says simply, “But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.”

Given Paul’s audience, he deems this sufficient explanation as to why women should pray with covered heads, and men should not. Certainly to a modern reader, this passage could be read as “Men, you’re in charge of women, just like Christ is in charge of you guys.” . . . however, the last clause in the verse presents a problem with that interpretation. “God is in charge of Christ???”

. . . huh??

Here’s where historical context comes in. You have to know something about what head coverings symbolized in Corinth, in order to get what Paul really seems to have been saying.

There was a group of women who enthusiastically engaged in quite devout spiritual activity, and were notorious for being the ones you saw walking around with uncovered (and even shaved) heads. They were the priestesses of the city’s major deity – Aphrodite. Given that Aphrodite was the goddess of love and pleasure, it should come as no surprise that worship, for these priestesses, involved ritual prostitution.

Small wonder, then, that Paul would not want female Corinthian believers to be associated in the minds of those who observed them, with the “normal” spiritual behaviors of the city in that day. How to differentiate between the two? Simply remove from Christian women the symbol of devotion to Aphrodite – the bared head. It is significant that Paul does not make this command to the believers in predominantly Jewish churches, as Jewish culture holds precisely the opposite view – that men are to pray with covered heads, while women are not. In short, he is simply acknowledging the culture of his specific audience.

This command to women seems to have been more than merely symbolic, however. Having been matched with a husband she did not like, Aphrodite was quite the philanderer. She did not, we might say, submit very well to her husband.

As the term “submit” is not used here, though, the issue in this passage is the definition of the word “head.” Western grammar gives this word the meaning of “superior” or “leader,” but it can also have other meanings. (Heidi has informed me that she hopes to dedicate an entire post to the idea of “headship.”) One possibility is that it is merely speaking in terms of temporal order. Man was created first, then woman. Viewed in terms of the creation order this way, Paul could be explaining to the believers at Corinth that devoutness and philandering do not go hand in hand, and that woman was created for her husband, rather than being required to prostitute herself to all of them.

I have no idea whether this is what Paul actually intended – but the point is that this alternate reading makes sense. Reading it simply as a command for women to be subjugated to the will of their husbands requires completely ignoring the rest of the chapter, which talks of the fact that men and women were created for each other.

Then there is I Corinthians 14, which commands women to “keep silent in the churches.”

Read simply as an order to the women of Corinth, this statement cries out with one very odd, but important question . . .

“Why on earth is this command sandwiched in the middle of a chapter that seems otherwise to be entirely about speaking in tongues??”

It doesn’t make sense . . .

. . . unless you take out your map of Greece, and figure out how long it would take for a boat to get from the port of Corinth, across the Gulf of Corinth to Delphi.

Delphi, only a very short boat-ride away, was thought by Greeks to be literally the “center of the world.” A temple, built atop a cave there, housed what was supposed to be the most accurate prophetic oracle in the world.

This oracle was supposed to be the voice of the god Apollo, speaking to men. Three factors are important to note in the context of I Corinthians 14. The oracle’s prophecies often consisted of utter gibberish that had to be interpreted by an acolyte, they were notorious for being incredibly vague, and they were always administered by a woman.

These first two characteristics seem to indicate that the Delphic oracle was quite high in Paul’s mind on the writing of this chapter. The third deals with our topic for discussion.

Why is it, do you suppose, that the only time Paul goes into any detail on the process of speaking in tongues is in his first letter to Corinth? Could it be because, given their proximity to the Delphic Oracle, they associated extreme spirituality with incomprehensible babble? Modern archaeology reveals that the Delphic oracle is located directly on a fault line. Hallucinogenic gas from beneath the earth seeps up into the cave that housed the prophetess, and most likely was responsible for her hysterically incoherent state. Given that the temple itself was open, the gas would not be concentrated enough to affect anybody not within the small, enclosed area that housed the prophetess herself.

Second, the vagueness of these oracular prophecies was legendary. The most famous example was King Croesus, who consulted the oracle on the wisdom of a decision to invade Persia. She informed him that if he did so, a mighty empire would be destroyed. He attacked, and was soundly beaten. The empire destroyed was his own.

Can it, again, be coincidence that the theme of this entire chapter is clarity? That confusion is the main enemy Paul is writing against, and that time and again he makes it clear that God’s words must be clearly understood in order to be effectual?

Finally we come to it – the issue at hand. The oracle was a woman . . . always a woman. Her interpreter could be male, but she was not. Also significant is the fact that she was only seen as being embodied with supernatural power when she was within the temple. At all other times she was just as any other woman. Can it be coincidence that Paul’s command here is specifically and solely to women speaking within their places of worship?

Think of all the mistaken analogies that the Corinthian believers could all too easily have formed. Here is a religion that democratizes faith – that eliminated the need for a special Jewish priest-caste, and brought religion to everybody . . . that rent the veil hiding the holiest of holies where only the High Priest was allowed to set foot, and gave everybody access to God at will.

. . . Would it really be a stretch to hypothesize that Corinthian women might have said to themselves, “ahhhhhh . . . so now we are all oracles”?

Theorizing that perhaps they were doing precisely that, it would indeed make perfect sense for Paul to tell them, “no, you are not all prophetesses . . . you are not all endowed with special spiritual knowledge that you need to share every time you are in a church, throwing the whole place into confusion . . . please sit down, keep quiet, and let every thing be done decently and in order!”

Am I certain of this reading? Can I be sure that’s what Paul meant? . . . Can I really say that here is the true interpretation of the inspired word of God??

. . . nope. I can’t. I don’t know. All I know is that this is the only reading I have seen thus far that makes sense to me. Every other interpretation I have heard either leaves something out, or adds something in. Either it ignores some factor, or reads way too much into the passages.

madthumbs - I enjoy responding to your outrageous misunderstandings, thank you.

lydia78
05-03-2008, 04:48 PM
What is a WOMAN doing teaching?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

Quote:
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church


Basically your God is telling you to STFU.


LMAO...:D

snoopsnuffleopagus
05-03-2008, 04:57 PM
What is a WOMAN doing teaching?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35



Basically your God is telling you to STFU.


Cordial Felicitations MadThumbs:

Yeah, the Book of Yahweh is not Politically Correct.

Please Consider: The Earth is now ruled by Leaders who share your viewpoint. You are qualified to lead under the current System.

I have no doubt Life under your Leadership would be abominable.


In the Book of YHVH, the Father is the Head of the Household, he is the Authority, as YHVH is all of ours Authority.


Protocols, Procedures, Eschalons, Authorities are all explicitly defined.


Illustrating YHVHs Laws of Marriage, you disparage what you do not understand BECAUSE you are still Childlike.

Example of a Child: " I don't know what I am going to do next, but I will think of Something!!"


Please Consider: For many, many Years, Womankind has enjoyed Free-Will as to whom they share their Affections.

What has been the result?


In the USA, a divorce rate greater than 50%.

More than 50% of American children live in homes without their Bio-Logical Father.


Creation, Mutation and Transmission of horrific diseases.


And so on and so forth................


In the Book of YHVH Thread, soon I shall examine YHVHs Laws regarding Marriage & Slavery, please join me, you will be valued as: Counter-Point.


This is your world right now MadThumbs, your Values, Your Desires, these are your Peoples.


There is a "Solutions" Thread in this Area, why don't you put up some?



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

armoured_amazon
05-03-2008, 05:00 PM
psychicdefender is quite right.

What is a WOMAN doing teaching?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35



Basically your God is telling you to STFU.

Firstly, this forum is not a church. :rolleyes:

Secondly, when Paul says, "let women be silent in the churches," he does not mean women who are led by God to pray or prophesy. The issue of submission to husbands is involved here and some women at Corinth were shaming their husbands by way of their speech in public worship. IN CONTEXT, something a lot of you neglect, women were asking questions in a way that interrupted the prophetic word (and asking other people's husbands when they could ask their own).

Entire books are devoted to women in the bible. Women are exalted in many ways. Your infantile insults are only beguiling to your kin.

eternal_spirit
05-03-2008, 05:06 PM
You do if you want converts LOL the fact is you cannot prove anything. You cannot prove Jesus existed anymore than you can prove the world is real.
I was with a bunch of Jewish friends the other week and made them all laugh when I said out of the blue where is Jesus. No Jewish person is ever named Jesus although I do not know about the Messianic nuts who converted. I am talking about Jews who hold true to Judaism.

''The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.''
Bertrand Russell

.................................................. ...........

Judaism is sick IMO. I'd rather trust a Catholic than Jew, certainly wouldn't want children with a Jew, they'd mutilate the childs genitals within a week of it being born.:( So, was Jesus Arabic?

BTW MR Russel was a Jew and very bad man.

psychicdefender
05-03-2008, 05:07 PM
Cordial Felicitations MadThumbs:

Yeah, the Book of Yahweh is not Politically Correct.

Please Consider: The Earth is now ruled by Leaders who share your viewpoint. You are qualified to lead under the current System.

I have no doubt Life under your Leadership would be abominable.


In the Book of YHVH, the Father is the Head of the Household, he is the Authority, as YHVH is all of ours Authority.


Protocols, Procedures, Eschalons, Authorities are all explicitly defined.


Illustrating YHVHs Laws of Marriage, you disparage what you do not understand BECAUSE you are still Childlike.

Example of a Child: " I don't know what I am going to do next, but I will think of Something!!"


Please Consider: For many, many Years, Womankind has enjoyed Free-Will as to whom they share their Affections.

What has been the result?


In the USA, a divorce rate greater than 50%.

More than 50% of American children live in homes without their Bio-Logical Father.


Creation, Mutation and Transmission of horrific diseases.


And so on and so forth................


In the Book of YHVH Thread, soon I shall examine YHVHs Laws regarding Marriage & Slavery, please join me, you will be valued as: Counter-Point.


This is your world right now MadThumbs, your Values, Your Desires, these are your Peoples.


There is a "Solutions" Thread in this Area, why don't you put up some?



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

What that has to do with women teaching is anyone's guess.

I also think you will find, if you thought about it (please do), that the divorce rate and broken homes are due to an overall break down in moral values and easier access to lawyers and therefore divorce. Not everyone on this planet lives by "I am"'s laws, many have had successful committed monogamous relationships.

eternal_spirit
05-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Think of all the mistaken analogies that the Corinthian believers could all too easily have formed. Here is a religion that democratizes faith – that eliminated the need for a special Jewish priest-caste, and brought religion to everybody . . . that rent the veil hiding the holiest of holies where only the High Priest was allowed to set foot, and gave everybody access to God at will.

..................................................

And where did Judaism originate? Babylonian Talmud.......

psychicdefender
05-03-2008, 05:28 PM
And where did Judaism originate? Babylonian Talmud.......


You sound very sure of yourself there, don't forget Talmud is not Torah. If you could research and back up a reply with references, I'd appreciate it...

madthumbs
05-03-2008, 06:49 PM
psychicdefender is quite right.



Firstly, this forum is not a church. :rolleyes:

You'd do wise to head the word of your God to STFU as you glossed over:

As in all the congregations of the saints

Secondly, when Paul says, "let women be silent in the churches," he does not mean women who are led by God to pray or prophesy.

1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him

You are adding your own spin on the Bible, and sinning against your imaginary God.

The issue of submission to husbands is involved here and some women at Corinth were shaming their husbands by way of their speech in public worship.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

(Your words and spin are not).

1 Corintians 1
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

IN CONTEXT, something a lot of you neglect, women were asking questions in a way that interrupted the prophetic word (and asking other people's husbands when they could ask their own).

This is what they teach in false churches, not what they teach in the Bible. Churches need money, women now make money, and Churches therefore must make this sick religion more palatable to women.

Entire books are devoted to women in the bible. Women are exalted in many ways. Your infantile insults are only beguiling to your kin.

Yes, like comparing their tits with melons in the Song of Solomon, using them as baby makers, sex slaves, and property.

You're God is telling you to STFU. How much longer will you defy Him?

psychicdefender
05-03-2008, 07:51 PM
You're God is telling you to STFU. How much longer will you defy Him?

Madthumbs is trying to tell people to STFU left right and centre, I don't remember God telling anyone (man or woman) to STFU.

As for:

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him"

You should note this is preceded by

"These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you."

Here John is writing to a group of people he knows, he knows they have received the Holy Spirit and have correct guidance. Someone/a group of people without the Spirit have read/heard about some of the teachings, these people are trying to corrupt the true message through their own false interpretation, intelligence and logic. John is telling them, "Don't listen, you know the truth, if you have doubts, ask the Spirit."

This is what they teach in false churches, not what they teach in the Bible. Churches need money, women now make money, and Churches therefore must make this sick religion more palatable to women.

The early Irish church had female Bishops! There are many female saints. There are more female believers than male! And all this was the case even before women got the right to vote!

You are adding your own spin on the Bible, and sinning against your imaginary God.

Challenging the 'official' viewpoint isn't a sin, in fact if we don't challenge it (as the 'elite' would like, you aren't one of 'them' are you?) we don't learn anything and remain asleep to the truth, therefore 'sinning', without the truth, we are without God. "And the truth shall set you free."

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

EXACTLY, to use and rely upon scripture and to read, learn and understand what it means is profitable to criticise and correct when people get it wrong. YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING AND UNDERSTAND ALL OF IT SO THAT YOU DONT JUST PICK BITS OUT AT YOUR OWN CONVINIENCE!!! Or let others deceive you by their own picking and choosing.

You have already made it quite clear that you won't listen to what people have to say, taking the Bible in context is a very important thing. If it isn't taken in context you get all kinds of incorrect ideas. Do you realise that this is how all the 'elite' symbolism and ritual got mixed up with real Christianity in the first place? Or are you going to continue your misinformed arguments which, to be honest, although enjoyable to repond to, just highlight your own closed mindedness.

synergy777
05-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.
-- Kahlil Gibran, from The Prophet

sunyatta60
05-03-2008, 10:10 PM
.................................................. ...........

Judaism is sick IMO. I'd rather trust a Catholic than Jew, certainly wouldn't want children with a Jew, they'd mutilate the childs genitals within a week of it being born.:( So, was Jesus Arabic?

BTW MR Russel was a Jew and very bad man.

You should really get help with your psychotic tendencies towards Jews not all Jews are Zionist and therefore not all Jews are Bad. Russell was part of the establishment but that does not invalidate his statements, on the contrary we should take heed of them.

sunyatta60
05-03-2008, 10:12 PM
Verily, that is your truth.

Whilst Ignorance is yours I know PMSL

Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche

synergy777
05-03-2008, 10:36 PM
http://scripturetext.com/matthew/12-34.htm

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071105060648AAnagQG

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
WOW!!! U don't ask for much do U???

Christs' Whole Earthly Life was spent Overthrowing the "Establishment of the Day"!!! He said: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but by Me." We know of course that in Mat.21:12-27 Christ "Cleansed the Temple" & had his "Authority Challenged". But His whole Ministry was as a "Missionary" traveling to the People Not "Building churches / buildings / Religions!!! He called those in the Temple a "Den of Vipers"!!! In Mark 6: we see Christ traveling & sending out the Disciples. Verse 33 has Him feeding a Multitude of followers having traveled to them. Mark 11:15-18 is Enlightening in that we see Today many churches "Selling" things in them just as Christ Overthrew the "Market" in the Temple!!! Mark 13:All, is a "Prophecy" from Christ U will want to read. The "Gate Verse" is found in Mat.7:13&14, but keep reading as the "Prophecy" continues. Hope this little bit gives U some Insight as to what the Hypostatic Union was all about. John

razed1
05-03-2008, 10:43 PM
see you in church


praise the lord!

madthumbs
06-03-2008, 04:30 AM
Madthumbs is trying to tell people to STFU left right and centre, I don't remember God telling anyone (man or woman) to STFU.

If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk. Quit ignoring your God's laws and quit making stuff up. Your God didn't provide his Holy Book in English. and words like Sheol, Gehenna, Hades all got translated to "Hell", there were at least 5 words that all got translated into "love". If the authors of the authorized KJV can make such poor translations, why can't I use something more accurate?

Here John is writing to a group of people he knows, he knows they have received the Holy Spirit and have correct guidance.

No, because they are being guided by the Holy Spirit and don't need his instruction. Who is more authoritative: A person that appointed himself as an apostle who never saw the living Jesus, who lied during his trial, etc , or the Holy Spirit? This is being stated in the book that's profitable for sound doctrine for all of us to know that people like this are frauds that should be silenced.

The early Irish church had female Bishops! There are many female saints. There are more female believers than male! And all this was the case even before women got the right to vote!

I think we were discussing income. :rolleyes: Jesus appeared to be against organized religion which whitewashes his message of it being ok to own and beat slaves, rape women, kill for land. He also upholds the laws to mutilate infant genitals, and kill herbalists and homosexuals. So are you Christian (following Christ), or some wannabe denomination follower?

madthumbs
06-03-2008, 04:38 AM
You should really get help with your psychotic tendencies towards Jews not all Jews are Zionist and therefore not all Jews are Bad. Russell was part of the establishment but that does not invalidate his statements, on the contrary we should take heed of them.

All Jews and All Christians are Zionist. Jew is not a race: it's a racist religion. The only reason Christians may think they're not Zionist is because they're following a Church, not the Bible.

Genesis: 17:7-8 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. (http://www.opposingdigits.com/zionism/)

The location of the Land of Canaan or "Zion" can be disputed though.

The "Jews against Zionism" serves as a cover up. Basically they're against the current occupation but still believe a certain land belongs to them under certain conditions. This is still Zionism.

armoured_amazon
06-03-2008, 08:10 AM
Lmfao your intelligence astounds me. A man of real knowledge, be it of God or just academia, feels no need to brag. If you are secure in your superiority, then dwell in it peacefully.

I am forgetting the reason I am here because I have allowed myself to stray into an ocean crammed with empty battleships...all clanging against one another and getting absolutely nowhere.

I come here to be up to date with various non-mainstream news sources. Not to read such twaddle.

lydia78
06-03-2008, 10:27 AM
Lmfao your intelligence astounds me. A man of real knowledge, be it of God or just academia, feels no need to brag. If you are secure in your superiority, then dwell in it peacefully.

I am forgetting the reason I am here because I have allowed myself to stray into an ocean crammed with empty battleships...all clanging against one another and getting absolutely nowhere.

I come here to be up to date with various non-mainstream news sources. Not to read such twaddle.



Ahhh Participation and interaction on the forum will do that to you :rolleyes:

So your god's been giving you Satnav directions wherein to apply your 'knowledge ' on the forum has HE....You could always choose to do something else with your time, if you had any understanding of that concept.

lydia78
06-03-2008, 10:37 AM
You'd do wise to head the word of your God to STFU as you glossed over:

1 John 2:27


You are adding your own spin on the Bible, and sinning against your imaginary God.



2 Timothy 3:16


(Your words and spin are not).

1 Corintians 1




This is what they teach in false churches, not what they teach in the Bible. Churches need money, women now make money, and Churches therefore must make this sick religion more palatable to women.



Yes, like comparing their tits with melons in the Song of Solomon, using them as baby makers, sex slaves, and property.

You're God is telling you to STFU. How much longer will you defy Him?



LMAO :D

It boils down to the Christian Rule of moving the Biblical Goal Posts, whenever they contradict themselves etc, they're good at it, but NOT good enough ;-)

citroen999
06-03-2008, 10:56 AM
i see people like to quote the bible and then try an make sense of of what is written. I watched Jordan Maxell's sons of God, YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. and in this he says about the bible "its not what is said, it is what is not being said" and he went on to say "go and read again and break each sentence down " so thats what i did and i came up with this..

Hebrew Version:

Genesis Chapter 1: Gods work on the 5th day

26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.

so what is said in 27 is that God created man on the 5th day and told them to replenish.

now the 7th day: Genesis Chapter 2

1 And the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it He rested from all His work which God in creating had made.

4 These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

5 No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground;

6 but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

so lets look at the above, god is now LORD God, are these the same or 2 different gods?

Also man was created on day 5 but on day 7 Lord God formed man. So now man has been created twice, once in day 5 and again in day 7, but man on created on day 5 is not on the earth yet because there was no ground for him to stand on, which is what this bit means 5 No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground, once the ground was there then the man on day 7 was created.

am understanding what i am reading?

here are the links i used..

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0102.htm


maxwell brings up this point in the video...

26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

replenish - verb: 1 fill up again. 2 restore (a stock or supply) to a former level or condition.

if adam and eve where the first man and woman on earth why would they need to replenish, retore, restock to a former level, who or what was there before them and what happened to them?

am i understanding what i am reading? i have looked at both King James and Hebrew version and both say the same thing..

armoured_amazon
06-03-2008, 01:27 PM
Rofl, I see you're confusing yourself

citroen999
06-03-2008, 02:06 PM
ok i admit, i am confused, please explain where i am going wrong and why i am reading it in a different way to you.


thanks

citroen999
06-03-2008, 02:07 PM
and i have changed my mood to confused too until i am not confused :p

armoured_amazon
06-03-2008, 02:17 PM
LOL :D

I have to teach for an hour but shall return.

madthumbs
06-03-2008, 04:37 PM
Is armoured_amazon a woman of her God?

No, She is an abomination to imaginary him.

1 Samuel 16
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Armoured_amazon's heart is defiant of His will for her to STFU, and adorn herself modestly. She has further defaced his marvelous work by plucking her eyebrows to make herself look like a freak.

1 Peter 3
3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
3:4 But [let it be] the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, [even the ornament] of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

Mark 9:42

And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

So a young Christian boy went to her myspace page, saw her posing in a sexually suggestive pic, and masturbated with her on his mind.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.

Wives are property bought, and sold in the Bible.

To the true Christian, armoured_amazon is an abomination to God.

She clearly isn't fit to speak on behalf of YHWH even if women were allowed.

bigus_dickus
06-03-2008, 04:38 PM
that is why i asked - the illusion is made by who - on a global scale? and thrugh the times? for what -

i wanted to reply to this, but somehow i forgot.

here is a description of my problem (i can hardly put it to words, so i don't know if anyone understands it, but here it is anyway)

if reincarnation(life loops)=true, then
now={x(life loops)** ; where "x" is my current identity, "me"
past={y(life loops)** ; where "y" is "me" in a past life time
future={z(life loops)** ; where "z" is "me" in a future life time
end if

so, the question is, why i am now experiencing the "x" and how come my "now" is not any of the "y" and "z"? in simpler terms, why am i now "me"? who decides that? do the "y" and "z" feel the same and wonder the same? do they exist right now, together with the "x"?

if "x", "y" and "z" exist altogether and not separately, then i can see a glimpse of a reason. if not, there is no reason and the question remains unanswered for the time being or there is no reincarnation going on, or our idea of it is 'twisted' due to our limitations of thinking.

so, what helps towards an answer to this problem (IF we can call it a problem), is to consider past, present and future occurring at the same instance, or that all instances are interconnected due to an inter-dimensional link, that my limitation of knowledge doesn't allow me to fully comprehend, thus i claim ignorance for that matter.

no one answer is or can be really real - yet.. there are powers leading in that
who-what ?
there are in every cell - possibilities of compleate universes - that can pop up any moment - are there those powers with theirs understanding of oneness and the function of the particulars above them (cells)? or below them? are they connected, if they are above us? and..if time is not - where are they ?
what is echo?
can it be in a negative space, too?
like immagined space?
but the function is important - how is that created for the evolusion of an water vapor to god?
does the water-vapor particle think and imagine?
that illusion is what means - the situation created - so situations are created - imagined (or followed )by the powers' yes? so they have a function in the all
and there is an in-out never seesing puls as well as feeling>? of growing-ascending ( see http://www.opendoor.com/envision/images/Mandlebrot.jpgfractals too grow)
just my babblings..bublings..http://maplestorystreet.com/forums/customavatars/avatar27229_14.gif

everything in the universe, all forms, as ourselves as forms (of life) go through (or appear to go through) the same process of birth, growth and death, from molecules to galaxies. if we observe our forms, we find that we are made of other forms that are unlike ours. pick a cell of your body; it doesn't look like you and perhaps doesn't think like you, but has its own life, behavior, uniqueness, function, character and it is essentially you. your (physical, perceived, or imagined) form, consists of trillions of those beings, to whom (if we anthropomorphized them), you would seem like "God" seems to us. however, it would be impossible for them to know you (unless they were 'enlightened' - i am keeping the anthropomorphism), for it would be impossible for them to consciously "step out" from their reality and watch the real you, as you really are. and what would they see? who controls their reality? it's you. who they really are? it's you.

do you see your limits? can you imagine "you" without any limits? that's who you really are.

psychicdefender
06-03-2008, 07:13 PM
If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk. Quit ignoring your God's laws and quit making stuff up. Your God didn't provide his Holy Book in English. and words like Sheol, Gehenna, Hades all got translated to "Hell", there were at least 5 words that all got translated into "love". If the authors of the authorized KJV can make such poor translations, why can't I use something more accurate?

FYI - The NASB is the most literal word for word translation available in English.

The point I am trying to get through to you is that to understand what is written you have to read everything and not just focus on one or two sentences. Hence the whole thing about taking what is written in context. The NT (excluding the Gospels and Rev) is a collection of letters written to certain groups of early Christians on specific subjects, NOT the direct word of God given as instuction to everybody, although they can be useful if read in context. I myself am of the opinion that the only bits wholly relevent to Christians are those which say "Jesus said insert teching here"

No, because they are being guided by the Holy Spirit and don't need his instruction. Who is more authoritative: A person that appointed himself as an apostle who never saw the living Jesus, who lied during his trial, etc , or the Holy Spirit? This is being stated in the book that's profitable for sound doctrine for all of us to know that people like this are frauds that should be silenced.

And his instructions were, 'You have the Holy Spirit and that is all you need.'

I think we were discussing income. :rolleyes: Jesus appeared to be against organized religion which whitewashes his message of it being ok to own and beat slaves, rape women, kill for land. He also upholds the laws to mutilate infant genitals, and kill herbalists and homosexuals. So are you Christian (following Christ), or some wannabe denomination follower?

No, the point we were dicussing was whether or not women, as Christians, can teach. Where the Bible does it say "Give all your money to the leader."? It doesn't, in fact you will find quite the opposite to be true.

I follow Christ, I know CofE people but don't attend the services or pay any dues because these things have nothing to do with faith. Again, read the whole NT and come back and tell me how you can come to the conclusion that Christianity endorses the beating of slaves, raping women, mutilating infant genitals, killing herbalists, homosexuals and war.

If you want to appear to be an expert on all things Christian maybe you should actually do some research that encompasses the big picture instead of one or two words, for instance:

"killing in the name of God is okay" the kind of qoute you make.
"evil men say killing in the name of God is okay" the quote in context.

madthumbs
06-03-2008, 08:32 PM
FYI - The NASB is the most literal word for word translation available in English.

Is that one based on the Textus Receptus and Majority Text, or the Codex Sinaiticus, and Codex Vaticanus? How do you know this? Are you possessed by the Holy Spirit and have authority to speak on such matters? Isn't the NASB farily new? Why would YHWH want to give the early church such a bad head start? If you are authoritative you can perform miracles and or provide 100% accurate specific prophecy. So, either tell me what color undies I'm gonna wear tomorrow, or restore my foreskin to authenticate yourself.

The point I am trying to get through to you is that to understand what is written you have to read everything and not just focus on one or two sentences.

No need to condescend. I've read the Bible straight through 8 times (once for each inch of my cock), you? Let's whip 'em out and compare! Try showing context rather than suggesting I'm wrong. Prove I'm wrong!

And his instructions were, 'You have the Holy Spirit and that is all you need.'

Word for word, cite book, chapter, verse please.

No, the point we were dicussing was whether or not women, as Christians, can teach. Where the Bible does it say "Give all your money to the leader."? It doesn't, in fact you will find quite the opposite to be true.

What kind of idiot do you take us for? No one could live if they gave up all. :rolleyes: Furthermore, I didn't even suggest this.

Again, read the whole NT and come back and tell me how you can come to the conclusion that Christianity endorses the beating of slaves, raping women, mutilating infant genitals, killing herbalists, homosexuals and war.

Jesus Gives Slavery a Thumbs Up! (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2394)
Biblical Oppression of Women (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3006)
Religious Ritualistic Genital Mutilation (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2856)
Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
YHWH hates homosexuals (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4639)
Jesus: Blood Lust, Torture, Terror! (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2495)

[In sniveling whiney condescending voice] Maybe you should read your Holy Book instead of picking and choosing

snoopsnuffleopagus
06-03-2008, 08:40 PM
I've read the Bible straight through 8 times (once for each inch of my cock)



Ahhh! It all becomes Crystal Clear, you blame YHVH for your MINISCULE ENDOWMENT!! :D :D :D



All this: 'Whippin' the Bishop' must be an effort to make it grow.


I have heard this never works! ;)


I am standing by, ready to help MT. :)



You have my sympathy, do the girls laugh?



Snoops

psychicdefender
06-03-2008, 09:23 PM
Is that one based on the Textus Receptus and Majority Text, or the Codex Sinaiticus, and Codex Vaticanus? How do you know this? Are you possessed by the Holy Spirit and have authority to speak on such matters? Isn't the NASB farily new? Why would YHWH want to give the early church such a bad head start? If you are authoritative you can perform miracles and or provide 100% accurate specific prophecy. So, either tell me what color undies I'm gonna wear tomorrow, or restore my foreskin to authenticate yourself.

No need to condescend. I've read the Bible straight through 8 times (once for each inch of my cock), you? Let's whip 'em out and compare! Try showing context rather than suggesting I'm wrong. Prove I'm wrong!

Word for word, cite book, chapter, verse please.

What kind of idiot do you take us for? No one could live if they gave up all. :rolleyes: Furthermore, I didn't even suggest this.

Jesus Gives Slavery a Thumbs Up! (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2394)
Biblical Oppression of Women (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3006)
Religious Ritualistic Genital Mutilation (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2856)
Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
YHWH hates homosexuals (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4639)
Jesus: Blood Lust, Torture, Terror! (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2495)

[In sniveling whiney condescending voice] Maybe you should read your Holy Book instead of picking and choosing

I have, for roughly a month now, repeatedly pointed out your misconceptions about what the Bible says, I will do so no longer as it is evident that you are confused and refuse to consider anything I or any other student of scripture has to say.

For your information - I do have the answers to all of the points you have raised but I feel your attitude is one of malevolence and that you are only here to stir the s**t.

Good luck, hope you find all the things you seek,

Psychicdefender.

PS Sorry your foreskin has been cut off, I had wondered where all your bitterness came from and now I know. Hope you come to terms with it in your own time and with a kind caring person. (mines a pain in the ass anyway, got too much, maybe you could have some of mine??)

madthumbs
06-03-2008, 09:31 PM
I have, for roughly a month now, repeatedly pointed out your misconceptions about what the Bible says, I will do so no longer as it is evident that you are confused and refuse to consider anything I or any other student of scripture has to say.

No, you've been whitewashing for this sick religion, not offering valid arguments, invoking authority, etc. (Rules of Disinformation (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222)

PS Sorry your foreskin has been cut off, I had wondered where all your bitterness came from and now I know. Hope you come to terms with it in your own time and with a kind caring person. (mines a pain in the ass anyway, got too much, maybe you could have some of mine??)

-lol, typical patronizing Xtian.

All the best, God bless. Teehee. :D

citroen999
06-03-2008, 10:41 PM
-lol, typical patronizing Xtian.


xtian: meaning christian
the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ, i.e. x-tian means christ-tian or christian, also xmas meaning christ-mas

xbox = christ box?

amethyst
07-03-2008, 04:30 AM
Is armoured_amazon a woman of her God?

No, She is an abomination to imaginary him.

1 Samuel 16


Armoured_amazon's heart is defiant of His will for her to STFU, and adorn herself modestly. She has further defaced his marvelous work by plucking her eyebrows to make herself look like a freak.

1 Peter 3
3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
3:4 But [let it be] the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, [even the ornament] of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

Mark 9:42



So a young Christian boy went to her myspace page, saw her posing in a sexually suggestive pic, and masturbated with her on his mind.



Wives are property bought, and sold in the Bible.

To the true Christian, armoured_amazon is an abomination to God.

She clearly isn't fit to speak on behalf of YHWH even if women were allowed.

Oh wow madthumbs, you are certainly entitled to sharing your opinion.... it's a free forum and all..... but Wow.......that was really harsh what you wrote here :(

citroen999
07-03-2008, 01:24 PM
and i'm still waiting for her to come back and tell me how i am reading this little lot wrong, she said she would only be an hour :( , i was initially laughed at and told i was confused, which was a bit rude, but nobody has told me why i am reading it wrong, once i am put right then i can understand

i see people like to quote the bible and then try an make sense of of what is written. I watched Jordan Maxell's sons of God, YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. and in this he says about the bible "its not what is said, it is what is not being said" and he went on to say "go and read again and break each sentence down " so thats what i did and i came up with this..

Hebrew Version:

Genesis Chapter 1: Gods work on the 5th day

26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.

so what is said in 27 is that God created man on the 5th day and told them to replenish.

now the 7th day: Genesis Chapter 2

1 And the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it He rested from all His work which God in creating had made.

4 These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

5 No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground;

6 but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

so lets look at the above, god is now LORD God, are these the same or 2 different gods?

Also man was created on day 5 but on day 7 Lord God formed man. So now man has been created twice, once in day 5 and again in day 7, but man on created on day 5 is not on the earth yet because there was no ground for him to stand on, which is what this bit means 5 No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground, once the ground was there then the man on day 7 was created.

am understanding what i am reading?

here are the links i used..

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0102.htm


maxwell brings up this point in the video...

26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

replenish - verb: 1 fill up again. 2 restore (a stock or supply) to a former level or condition.

if adam and eve where the first man and woman on earth why would they need to replenish, retore, restock to a former level, who or what was there before them and what happened to them?

am i understanding what i am reading? i have looked at both King James and Hebrew version and both say the same thing..

psychicdefender
07-03-2008, 02:03 PM
28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

replenish - verb: 1 fill up again. 2 restore (a stock or supply) to a former level or condition.

if adam and eve where the first man and woman on earth why would they need to replenish, retore, restock to a former level, who or what was there before them and what happened to them?

am i understanding what i am reading? i have looked at both King James and Hebrew version and both say the same thing..

"Such issues are determined by appeals to the original languages, however. And in this case, such an appeal immediately clears up any questions on the topic. The Hebrew word, which unfortunately is translated “replenish” in the King James Version of 1611, does not mean to “replenish.” That word is male’, and means simply “to fill” (Davidson, 1863, p. 488; cf., Brown, Driver, and Briggs, 1962, p. 22; see also, Harris, Archer, and Waltke, 1980, 1:505-506). Interesting is the fact that this very same word is used in Genesis 1:22 where the command is given by God to “fill the waters of the seas.” Later versions of the Bible (ASV, RSV, NASB, NIV, et al.) have rendered the verb properly as merely “fill.” " Link (http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2182)

I'll work on finding an answer to your first point in due course.

psychicdefender
07-03-2008, 02:13 PM
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

so lets look at the above, god is now LORD God, are these the same or 2 different gods?

Also man was created on day 5 but on day 7 Lord God formed man. So now man has been created twice, once in day 5 and again in day 7,

No present tense there, he had formed (past tense) man/woman already. I'm struggling to understand what you have written and are getting at, could you clarify?

bigus_dickus
07-03-2008, 02:21 PM
27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.

so what is said in 27 is that God created man on the 5th day and told them to replenish.

there is no "replenish" in the Greek text from which this text is translated. the Greek text goes like this:

28 και ευλόγησεν αυτούς ο Θεός· και είπε προς αυτούς ο Θεός, Αυξάνεσθε και πληθύνεσθε και γεμίσατε την γην και κυριεύσατε αυτήν, και εξουσιάζετε επί των ιχθύων της θαλάσσης και επί των πετεινών του ουρανού και επί παντός ζώου κινουμένου επί της γης.

"and God blessed them; and God told them, grow and multiply and fill the earth and conquer her, and rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky and all the animals that walk on the earth"

7 Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Greek original bible reads:

7 Και έπλασε Κύριος ο Θεός τον άνθρωπον από χώματος εκ της γης. και ενεφύσησεν εις τους μυκτήρας αυτού πνοήν ζωής, και έγεινεν ο άνθρωπος εις ψυχήν ζώσαν.

"and Lord God fashioned the human of clay from the earth. and blew into his nostrils breath of life, and human became one living soul."

see, there is a "then" missing here, which is added later and brings this misunderstanding to you. the story simply jumps back specifically to the creation of human to give some extra information.

(this reminds me, i had the same questions and misunderstanding when i attempted to read the bible in English.. going back to the original text, clarifies everything. if you have other similar questions, i will be happy to help translate and explain them

friendly advice: please don't listen to mr. Maxwell for explanations on the bible)

madthumbs
07-03-2008, 04:00 PM
Oh wow madthumbs, you are certainly entitled to sharing your opinion.... it's a free forum and all..... but Wow.......that was really harsh what you wrote here :(

Not comparatively. Genocide, slavery, rape, infant genital mutilation, witch and homosexual killing, etc is harsh. That is her, not me.

madthumbs
07-03-2008, 04:09 PM
I'll work on finding an answer to your first point in due course.

You are not qualified.

Matthew 23:8
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Also reference "the good shepherd" vs the "thief".

Your own supposed God refers to you as a thief psychicdefender.

Who is the good shepherd?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

psychicdefender
07-03-2008, 04:13 PM
Your own supposed God refers to you as a thief psychicdefender.

If I am a thief and yet speak the truth what is that to you?

amethyst
07-03-2008, 04:16 PM
and i'm still waiting for her to come back and tell me how i am reading this little lot wrong, she said she would only be an hour :( , i was initially laughed at and told i was confused, which was a bit rude, but nobody has told me why i am reading it wrong, once i am put right then i can understand

i see people like to quote the bible and then try an make sense of of what is written. I watched Jordan Maxell's sons of God, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRGdV9rIFhg and in this he says about the bible "its not what is said, it is what is not being said" and he went on to say "go and read again and break each sentence down " so thats what i did and i came up with this..

Hebrew Version:

Genesis Chapter 1: Gods work on the 5th day

26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.

so what is said in 27 is that God created man on the 5th day and told them to replenish.

now the 7th day: Genesis Chapter 2

1 And the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it He rested from all His work which God in creating had made.

4 These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

5 No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground;

6 but there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 Then the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

so lets look at the above, god is now LORD God, are these the same or 2 different gods?

Also man was created on day 5 but on day 7 Lord God formed man. So now man has been created twice, once in day 5 and again in day 7, but man on created on day 5 is not on the earth yet because there was no ground for him to stand on, which is what this bit means 5 No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground, once the ground was there then the man on day 7 was created.

am understanding what i am reading?

here are the links i used..

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0102.htm


maxwell brings up this point in the video...

26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

replenish - verb: 1 fill up again. 2 restore (a stock or supply) to a former level or condition.

if adam and eve where the first man and woman on earth why would they need to replenish, retore, restock to a former level, who or what was there before them and what happened to them?

am i understanding what i am reading? i have looked at both King James and Hebrew version and both say the same thing..

Hello citroen999,

I had similar questions also ;) Here are two links I came across recently on the net, that I found interesting. They might be helpful. They go into the original hebrew meanings of the words.

www.biblestudysite.com/creation.htm

www.biblestudysite.com/begin.htm

amethyst
07-03-2008, 04:32 PM
Not comparatively. Genocide, slavery, rape, infant genital mutilation, witch and homosexual killing, etc is harsh. That is her, not me.

I agree with you, those are harsh........ I can't speak for Amazon, but I certainly don't think she's advocating what you wrote.

I think that a lot of stuff written in the bible has to be really studied as to why it was put in there in the first place. A lot of what someone reads in it, can be taken out of context as to the reason it was written a certain way.

I think there are a lot more variables that go into it, than just reading a lot of the stories at "face value"......who wrote what, the original language it was written in, other manuscripts that were written around the same time as the books in the bible that are similar.......You sort of have to be a detective in a way, looking for clues. It certainly isn't easy to understand.

But Christ's message in the New Testament is something that superceeds a lot of the variables, IMHO.

synergy777
07-03-2008, 06:01 PM
could the elite had credited these false teachings to yashuah,

in order to give them credibility/gravitas.

imagine if years from now, we don't break free and the elite still rule.

however some of of ickes teachings are kept, the elite could use icke as christ figure,

mix in some of their teachings and then attribute them to icke,

then people would think icke justified/supported the elites teachings.

then people would argue about icke, question his teachings/existence.

bigus_dickus
07-03-2008, 06:55 PM
could the elite had credited these false teachings to yashuah,

can you elaborate on these "false teachings"? what did he teach that you think is false?

madthumbs
07-03-2008, 07:30 PM
I agree with you, those are harsh........ I can't speak for Amazon, but I certainly don't think she's advocating what you wrote.

This kind of ignorance is why we are oppressed by the people that call themselves the chosen of God.

I think that a lot of stuff written in the bible has to be really studied as to why it was put in there in the first place. A lot of what someone reads in it, can be taken out of context as to the reason it was written a certain way.

It was put there to support war, genocide, racism, conquest, etc. That's what religion is for, to work in conjunction with government.

I think there are a lot more variables that go into it, than just reading a lot of the stories at "face value"......

How many herbalists and homosexuals need to die to make you understand that this is a dangerous book? They are currently doing witch hunts in Papua New Guinea. One woman was hanged while giving birth recently!

But Christ's message in the New Testament is something that superceeds a lot of the variables, IMHO.

Which includes:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

:rolleyes:

synergy777
07-03-2008, 07:33 PM
bigus, my bad.

i mean the teachings the elite added onto the historical yashuah/jesus.

i think the immaculate conception is a part of the sol invictus/mithras/solar/mystery school symbolism the elite added onto the historical yashuah.

other things like walking on water, turning water into wine, being born on dec 25th etc, the eucharist ritual.

bigus_dickus
07-03-2008, 08:05 PM
bigus, my bad.

i mean the teachings the elite added onto the historical yashuah/jesus.

i think the immaculate conception is a part of the sol invictus/mithras/solar/mystery school symbolism the elite added onto the historical yashuah.

other things like walking on water, turning water into wine, being born on dec 25th etc, the eucharist ritual.

orthodox Christians have never said that Jesus was born on the 25th of December. it is generally unknown why we ended up with this date, but most possibly it was done by the Sun idolaters, who had this celebration of the birth of the Sun on the winter solstice. people generally like to keep their holy days. so, we also have the easter, which is similar to the jewish passover, but different. our easter doesn't have to do with the angel of death, but with the resurrection of Christ.

the immaculate conception may be symbolic, or regarded as a miracle. Christians believe that it is one of the most true and impressive miracles ever. it could also be a misunderstanding of the scriptures. i am not sure if such a belief is needed, but i don't dismiss the idea that since man made technology has proven itself to be able to perform such alterations of the natural process, the divine intelligence of God, would definitely be able to perform it without the use of technology. we also have the accounts in the scriptures about the dream that Joseph had of the angel and then the angel visiting Mary and announcing her the news. Mary could have denied her destiny, it was not done against her will.

so, anyway, i don't believe that the story is a copy of pagan stories. there are some people who try to convince us that it all derives from ancient cults. i don't believe them, i investigate it myself. there are several stereotypes that all humans follow due to their connection and relationship to each other. for example what is good, what is evil, what is beautiful, what is joy and sorrow and basic stuff like that that need no words to express them.

i have found parallels of stories in the bible in stories of Greek mythology and i have actually seen a book in which the author made the same connections, due to the similarities, with other "new age" authors, to conclude that Christianity derives directly from ancient Greek mythology.

this conclusion is false, because the reasoning contained in the book, needs necessary assumptions to be made and also needs to ignore a great deal of differences in stories and meanings, so in the end most of the arguments made are logically false.

synergy777
07-03-2008, 08:27 PM
bigus, spot on bro.

optimus pigpot
07-03-2008, 09:51 PM
And you have all fulfilled my words. Everyone arguing about whose god is best!!!

You are all talking shit!!!

All of YOU are proving ME to be correct!!!

RLMFAO

bigus_dickus
08-03-2008, 03:28 PM
And you have all fulfilled my words. Everyone arguing about whose god is best!!!

You are all talking shit!!! All of YOU are proving ME to be correct!!!

RLMFAO

da bigbot is training to be a rapper. if you need a beat for that i can hook you up :)

amethyst
08-03-2008, 03:54 PM
orthodox Christians have never said that Jesus was born on the 25th of December. it is generally unknown why we ended up with this date, but most possibly it was done by the Sun idolaters, who had this celebration of the birth of the Sun on the winter solstice. people generally like to keep their holy days. so, we also have the easter, which is similar to the jewish passover, but different. our easter doesn't have to do with the angel of death, but with the resurrection of Christ.

I have read that He was actually born in Sept. and not December.....which (I think) might have something to do with the hebrew feasts....but don't quote me.

sunyatta60
08-03-2008, 08:30 PM
[QUOTE=madthumbs;294149]All Jews and All Christians are Zionist.

Proof please.

madthumbs
09-03-2008, 12:57 AM
[QUOTE=madthumbs;294149]All Jews and All Christians are Zionist.

Proof please.

Don't be ignorant, it's in the post you quoted from. :rolleyes:

synergy777
09-03-2008, 03:42 PM
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=1347

Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah.

The secret note said:

Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.

Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are effectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.

When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.

The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and Kaduri.net mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.

Jewish readers responded on the websites' forums with mixed feelings: “So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?” and “The Christians are dancing and celebrating,” were among the comments.

Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. “We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah,” one of them said.

Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic. Kaduri’s son, Rabbi David Kaduri, said that at the time the note was written (September 2005), his father’s physical condition made it impossible for him to write.


KADURI'S PORTRAYAL OF THE MESSIAH

A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.)

Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.

Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah.

His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites Kaduri.net and Nfc:

“It is hard for many good people in society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.

“Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah than for Orthodox people.

“The revelation of the Messiah will be fulfilled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah.”


FAREWELL TO A 'TSADIK'

Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri was known for his photographic memory and his memorization of the Bible, the Talmud, Rashi and other Jewish writings. He knew Jewish sages and celebrities of the last century and rabbis who lived in the Holy Land and kept the faith alive before the State of Israel was born.

Kaduri was not only highly esteemed because of his age of 108. He was charismatic and wise, and chief rabbis looked up to him as a Tsadik, a righteous man or saint. He would give advice and blessings to everyone who asked. Thousands visited him to ask for counsel or healing. His followers speak of many miracles and his students say that he predicted many disasters.

When he died, more than 200,000 people joined the funeral procession on the streets of Jerusalem to pay their respects as he was taken to hisfinal resting place.

“When he comes, the Messiah will rescue Jerusalem from foreign religions that want to rule the city,” Kaduri once said. “They will not succeed for they will fight against one another.”


THE RABBI'S FOLLOWERS REACT

In an interview with Israel Today, Rabbi David Kaduri, the 80-year-old son of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, denied that his father left a note with the name Yeshua just before he died.

“It’s not his writing,” he said when we showed him a copy of the note.

During a nighttime meeting in the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva in Jerusalem, books with the elder Kaduri’s handwriting from 80 years ago were presented to us in an attempt to prove that the Messiah note was not authentic.

When we told Rabbi Kaduri that his father’s official website (www.kaduri.net) had mentioned the Messiah note, he was shocked. “Oh no! That’s blasphemy. The people could understand that my father pointed to him [the Messiah of the Christians].”

David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year, his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. “My father has met the Messiah in a vision,” he said, “and told us that he would come soon.”

Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages. In the Jewish tradition, one does not use crosses. In fact, even the use of a plus sign is discouraged because it might be mistaken for a cross.

But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were “signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the “signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams.

Orthodox Jews around the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva told Israel Today a few weeks later that the story about the secret note of Rabbi Kaduri should never have come out, and that it had damaged the name the revered old sage.

intruder
09-03-2008, 07:31 PM
...this is the heart of the man, this is the heart of the matter. break a little bread now, spread it all around.

Theist, atheist, christian, jew....bread and water, or wine if you prefer. You don't have to look at it as eating the body and the flesh, and it requires NO priest or designated holyman. cOMmune with life....

Love After Love


The time will come
when, with elation
you will greet yourself arriving
at your own door, in your own mirror
and each will smile at the other's welcome,

and say, sit here. Eat.
You will love again the stranger who was your self.
Give wine. Give bread. Give back your heart
to itself, to the stranger who has loved you

all your life, whom you ignored
for another, who knows you by heart.
Take down the love letters from the bookshelf,

the photographs, the desperate notes,
peel your own image from the mirror.
Sit. Feast on your life.
-Derek Wallkot

synergy777
09-03-2008, 09:53 PM
intruder thats profound/heavy bro

optimus pigpot
10-03-2008, 12:13 AM
Jesus ain't coming.

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The story of jesus was told to the egypts under a diffrant name. He never turned up for them and he ant going to turn up for us. I used to be a JW for 9 years forgive me for swearing so i know all about ,my religions right yours isnt. Hes going to save me and not you etc. Until we ALL realize that it is us, the people that as got to save the planet from the controlling few we are fucked. Jesus christ is not coming, he never has and he never will so the sooner everyone gets that in there heads we are always going to be in the same boat going down the same river in wars starvation pollution and fear.

They are the few, we are the many. United they fall divided they win


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The story of jesus was told to the egypts under a diffrant name. He never turned up for them and he ant going to turn up for us. I used to be a JW for 9 years forgive me for swearing so i know all about ,my religions right yours isnt. Hes going to save me and not you etc. Until we ALL realize that it is us, the people that as got to save the planet from the controlling few we are fucked. Jesus christ is not coming, he never has and he never will so the sooner everyone gets that in there heads we are always going to be in the same boat going down the same river in wars starvation pollution and fear.

They are the few, we are the many. United they fall divided they win

No Jesus, no Yahweh and no god of abraham!!!!!!!
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DOWN WITH YAHWEH!!!DOWN WITH ALL RELIGION!!!GROW UP AND GET FREE!!!

razed1
10-03-2008, 04:22 AM
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=1347

Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah.

The secret note said:

Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.

Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are effectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.

When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.

The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and Kaduri.net mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.

Jewish readers responded on the websites' forums with mixed feelings: “So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?” and “The Christians are dancing and celebrating,” were among the comments.

Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. “We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah,” one of them said.

Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic. Kaduri’s son, Rabbi David Kaduri, said that at the time the note was written (September 2005), his father’s physical condition made it impossible for him to write.


KADURI'S PORTRAYAL OF THE MESSIAH

A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.)

Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.

Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah.

His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites Kaduri.net and Nfc:





“The revelation of the Messiah will be fulfilled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah.”


FAREWELL TO A 'TSADIK'

Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri was known for his photographic memory and his memorization of the Bible, the Talmud, Rashi and other Jewish writings. He knew Jewish sages and celebrities of the last century and rabbis who lived in the Holy Land and kept the faith alive before the State of Israel was born.

Kaduri was not only highly esteemed because of his age of 108. He was charismatic and wise, and chief rabbis looked up to him as a Tsadik, a righteous man or saint. He would give advice and blessings to everyone who asked. Thousands visited him to ask for counsel or healing. His followers speak of many miracles and his students say that he predicted many disasters.

When he died, more than 200,000 people joined the funeral procession on the streets of Jerusalem to pay their respects as he was taken to hisfinal resting place.

“When he comes, the Messiah will rescue Jerusalem from foreign religions that want to rule the city,” Kaduri once said. “They will not succeed for they will fight against one another.”


THE RABBI'S FOLLOWERS REACT

In an interview with Israel Today, Rabbi David Kaduri, the 80-year-old son of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, denied that his father left a note with the name Yeshua just before he died.

“It’s not his writing,” he said when we showed him a copy of the note.

During a nighttime meeting in the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva in Jerusalem, books with the elder Kaduri’s handwriting from 80 years ago were presented to us in an attempt to prove that the Messiah note was not authentic.

When we told Rabbi Kaduri that his father’s official website (www.kaduri.net) had mentioned the Messiah note, he was shocked. “Oh no! That’s blasphemy. The people could understand that my father pointed to him [the Messiah of the Christians].”

David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year, his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. “My father has met the Messiah in a vision,” he said, “and told us that he would come soon.”

Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages. In the Jewish tradition, one does not use crosses. In fact, even the use of a plus sign is discouraged because it might be mistaken for a cross.

But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were “signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the “signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams.

Orthodox Jews around the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva told Israel Today a few weeks later that the story about the secret note of Rabbi Kaduri should never have come out, and that it had damaged the name the revered old sage.

how can you say youre an indian/panjabi, and fall for this 'bollocks'

cmon now


'yahuah, yeshivah

more like crapollah

razed1
10-03-2008, 04:27 AM
orthodox Christians have never said that Jesus was born on the 25th of December. it is generally unknown why we ended up with this date, but most possibly it was done by the Sun idolaters, who had this celebration of the birth of the Sun on the winter solstice. people generally like to keep their holy days. so, we also have the easter, which is similar to the jewish passover, but different. our easter doesn't have to do with the angel of death, but with the resurrection of Christ.

the immaculate conception may be symbolic, or regarded as a miracle. Christians believe that it is one of the most true and impressive miracles ever. it could also be a misunderstanding of the scriptures. i am not sure if such a belief is needed, but i don't dismiss the idea that since man made technology has proven itself to be able to perform such alterations of the natural process, the divine intelligence of God, would definitely be able to perform it without the use of technology. we also have the accounts in the scriptures about the dream that Joseph had of the angel and then the angel visiting Mary and announcing her the news. Mary could have denied her destiny, it was not done against her will.

so, anyway, i don't believe that the story is a copy of pagan stories. there are some people who try to convince us that it all derives from ancient cults. i don't believe them, i investigate it myself. there are several stereotypes that all humans follow due to their connection and relationship to each other. for example what is good, what is evil, what is beautiful, what is joy and sorrow and basic stuff like that that need no words to express them.

i have found parallels of stories in the bible in stories of Greek mythology and i have actually seen a book in which the author made the same connections, due to the similarities, with other "new age" authors, to conclude that Christianity derives directly from ancient Greek mythology.

this conclusion is false, because the reasoning contained in the book, needs necessary assumptions to be made and also needs to ignore a great deal of differences in stories and meanings, so in the end most of the arguments made are logically false.

blah blah

more arrogant postings from X-tians thinking theyre are the only game in town

hey WAKE UP

there are things far older and more PRISTINE than any x-tianity on the urth

take out all the solar symbolism and these "pagan" teachings, and what do have left??



NOTHING thats what

NOTHING


your so brainwashed man, you love being inside the box dont you, licking jesus' ooops i mean "yashuah's" boots

bigus_dickus
10-03-2008, 06:16 PM
there are things far older and more PRISTINE than any x-tianity on the urth

sorry, but that doesn't make sense. can you write it again in english?

take out all the solar symbolism and these "pagan" teachings, and what do have left??

i don't know. the right? what do you mean exactly?

NOTHING thats what

NOTHING

ok. and so what? what is your point?


was the point of your post to attack me personally?

razed1
10-03-2008, 09:06 PM
cmon now you know what i mean,

im not really attacking you personally, just your opinion on this subject

its a very limited and closed off opinion


i dont know if you consider yourself one of these "orthodox christians" or not


you need to realize that theres other knowledge, systems of belief, religions whatever, that are much older and far more pristine than what christianity has to offer

these older religions take a completely opposite view towards consciousness and reality than orthodox or mainstream christianity

you need to come out your bubble and realize these things

armoured_amazon
11-03-2008, 06:20 AM
Regardless of what YHWH/Yeshua's detractors say, the facts remain the same. He is doing great works in my life right now and I am extremely blessed.

Proverbs 8:17
I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.

Psalms 37:4
Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Luke 11:9-10
"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

optimus pigpot
11-03-2008, 08:01 AM
Regardless of what YHWH/Yeshua's detractors say, the facts remain the same. He is doing great works in my life right now and I am extremely blessed.

[/I]

......... now you can go away!!!!!!

bigus_dickus
11-03-2008, 01:36 PM
you need to realize that theres other knowledge, systems of belief, religions whatever, that are much older and far more pristine than what christianity has to offer

these older religions take a completely opposite view towards consciousness and reality than orthodox or mainstream christianity

you need to come out your bubble and realize these things

ok, you don't have to tell me what i need to do, cause you don't know me. i have studied (and continue to study) all the stuff available, everything you mentioned and whatnot and i discuss them as well. i generally don't follow any belief system myself, but i don't dismiss anything until i investigate it.

i know about the older religions, they were not religions in the same sense that religions are today. they were more like a way of life and not belief systems. belief and scripture based religion started basically with christianity, where you find all primitive texts. books started to exist together with the christian religion and for the same reason they became a big part of our reality, so does written text (the internet for example).

so, question, which religion (or belief of the past) that is "more pristine" do you prefer over Christianity and why?

madthumbs
11-03-2008, 04:01 PM
......... now you can go away!!!!!!

Her God wants her to STFU, and so do we.

Her God hates women:

OLD TESTAMENT




16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis


rape the women, not angels

1 The two angels came to Sodom at evening. Lot sat in the gate of Sodom. Lot saw them, and rose up to meet them. He bowed himself with his face to the earth,
2 and he said, "See now, my lords, please turn aside into your servant's house, stay all night, wash your feet, and you can rise up early, and go on your way." They said, "No, but we will stay in the street all night."
3 He urged them greatly, and they came in with him, and entered into his house. He made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter.
5 They called to Lot, and said to him, "Where are the men who came in to you this night? Bring them out to us, that we may have sex with them."
6 Lot went out to them to the door, and shut the door after him.
7 He said, "Please, my brothers, don't act so wickedly.
8 See now, I have two virgin daughters. Please let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them what seems good to you. Only don't do anything to these men, because they have come under the shadow of my roof."
Genesis


wife is a property

17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."
exodus


Sex slavery

7 "If a man sells his daughter to be a female servant, she shall not go out as the male servants do.
8 If she doesn't please her master, who has married her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, seeing he has dealt deceitfully with her.
9 If he marries her to his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights.
11 If he doesn't do these three things for her, she may go free without paying any money.
Exodus


Rape manual

11 and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you have a desire to her, and would take her to you as wife;
12 then you shall bring her home to your house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 and she shall put the clothing of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in your house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that you shall go in to her, and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
14 It shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall let her go where she will; but you shall not sell her at all for money, you shall not deal with her as a slave, because you have humbled her.
Deuteronomy


women humiliation

13 If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and hates her,
14 and accuses her of shameful things, and brings up an evil name on her, and says, "I took this woman, and when I came near to her, I didn't find in her the tokens of virginity;"
15 then shall the father of the young lady, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the young lady's virginity to the elders of the city in the gate;
16 and the young lady's father shall tell the elders, "I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he hates her;
17 and behold, he has accused her of shameful things, saying,'I didn't find in your daughter the tokens of virginity;' and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity." They shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
18 The elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him;
Deuteronomy


Woman must marry his first one - also if he raped her

28 If a man find a lady who is a virgin, who is not pledged to be married, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the lady's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has humbled her; he may not put her away all his days.and the man, because he has humbled his neighbor's wife: so you shall put away the evil from the midst of you.
Deuteronomy


If a woman touches foe's penis her hand should be cut

11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draws near to deliver her husband out of the hand of him who strikes him, and puts forth her hand, and takes him by the secrets;
12 then you shall cut off her hand, your eye shall have no pity.
Deuteronomy




NEW TESTAMENT



"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 Tim. 2:11-14


woman is second class citizen and must show it accordingly

But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonors her head. For it is one and the same thing as if she were shaved. 1Corinthians


women don't have right to interfere in society - they must listen to their husbands

34 let your wives keep silent in the assemblies, for it has not been permitted for them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as the law also says.
35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is shameful for a woman to chatter in the assembly.
1 Corinthians




She is a self-hater

psychicdefender
11-03-2008, 05:16 PM
and so do we.

You show your hatred of being rebuked by a learned woman. You use the term 'we', are you schizo or have you designated yourself 'chief spokesperson for all anti-christians'?

Your points did warrant a reply in another thread, I gave one, your immaturity in choosing to comprehand what I wrote demonstrates your own bigotry and the fact that you truly are a troll.

Peace and blessings of the creator be with you,

Psychicdefender.

synergy777
11-03-2008, 05:33 PM
razed1, who the do you think are calling me out, if you know anything indian/panjabi/sikh culture, real culture.

not wannabe shaman, take a mushroom, i know everything, i am razed 1.

if you knew history, then you would know why i make my stand. but i guess when you don''t know history, you make mistakes like you past comments.

sunyatta60
13-03-2008, 08:17 AM
Regardless of what YHWH/Yeshua's detractors say, the facts remain the same. He is doing great works in my life right now and I am extremely blessed.

Proverbs 8:17
I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.

Psalms 37:4
Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Luke 11:9-10
"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

It is all just a reflection of your consciousness it has to be for how do you explain the differences that people have regarding Jesus. For example in many parts of the world they have a Black Jesus hanging from a Cross. That is because a Black Jesus is embedded in their minds. Same with those who see Jesus has being a White Man or a Space man.
People who have had NDE's say they were met by the deity they believed in.
So Christians meet Jesus, Buddhist meet Buddha and Muslims meet Muhammed etc.
The Mind is just a Mirror in this world of illusions!

armoured_amazon
13-03-2008, 01:48 PM
It is all just a reflection of your consciousness it has to be for how do you explain the differences that people have regarding Jesus.

This is clearly a rhetorical question. :rolleyes:

razed1
13-03-2008, 03:35 PM
razed1, who the do you think are calling me out, if you know anything indian/panjabi/sikh culture, real culture.

not wannabe shaman, take a mushroom, i know everything, i am razed 1.

if you knew history, then you would know why i make my stand. but i guess when you don''t know history, you make mistakes like you past comments.


oh no, precious synergy is off limits to questioning, what makes you think you are unquestionable!?!?

your calling me a wannabe because i wrote about shamanism??


what??

is your brain working?

it shows how much youve learned and how much you are open to learning


what history you know?? more brainwashed regurgitations about 'yashuah'??

see unlike you, i dont need little brownie points from forum posters telling you what a good job your doing reaffirming their sheep like mentality in these religions

i never said i know everything, but form all these ppl who post, theres only a few number which i can learn form, the rest are in this little popularity contest , giving eachother pat on the backs for more closedminded information


thats why i said if you were a real desi... you aint son!! youre the wannabe christian, who loves his precious yashuah so much.....


and if youre such a cool dude, why dont you take a mushroom and realize some things, instead of mocking these things like a fool, maybe youd realize the hidden mushroom worship in the Sikh religion and culture

but you have to shed your arrogance first, youll learn some things afterwards

razed1
13-03-2008, 03:52 PM
im just sick of yuppies poncying around in their colorful robes of ignorance,


why is it so hard for you to ppl to just open yourselves to other possibilities other than whats in your little box??

i dont have a problem learning NEW things, i want to learn, its not a attack on my 'manhood' to learn somethng new


just SAYING your open minded and stuff isnt enough, you have to actually be open,

its just amazing that ppl will get so defensive when you call them on this stuff

armoured_amazon
13-03-2008, 05:43 PM
im just sick of yuppies poncying around in their colorful robes of ignorance,


why is it so hard for you to ppl to just open yourselves to other possibilities other than whats in your little box??

i dont have a problem learning NEW things, i want to learn, its not a attack on my 'manhood' to learn somethng new


just SAYING your open minded and stuff isnt enough, you have to actually be open,

its just amazing that ppl will get so defensive when you call them on this stuff

You're poncing about pretty well in a colourful robe here in this post. You ASSume people don't learn things and still choose what they choose. And you're ASSuming that your opinion is the authority. It's strange, this kind of ego trip is far worse in the so-called enlightened community than in general society. I find that very odd, almost like people are greater conformists than those they think they are nothing like.

razed1
13-03-2008, 07:00 PM
how ironic you speaking about conforming,

you ppl dont deserve to know the truth , your heads are so far up your rear ends,

it pisses me off that after so much research and material that is made available regarding the astrotheology subject, that threads like this are so littered with ppl who declare their minion status to these patriarchal prison religions like X-tianity

im not saying that im the only authority, cause im not, ive learned form the same raw materials that you ppl have access too on the internet, there are alot of ppl who have written on this subject, but for some reason, you ppl just look for material that backs up your current view, instead of trying to find out the truth behind this
but for some reason, your ppl WANT to remain in your ignorance, you like remaining manipulated and brainwashed, something doesnt click in your head, i guess it true, some ppl are born owls and some are born mules, you all remind me of mules trying to act like owls

im not assuming anything, after 25 pages of seeing you ppl's posts, and a dozen other threads like this, its obvious who are the sheepl and who are not, cause there are ppl who have made good posts in this thread

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon View Post
Regardless of what YHWH/Yeshua's detractors say, the facts remain the same. He is doing great works in my life right now and I am extremely blessed.

Proverbs 8:17
I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.

Psalms 37:4
Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Luke 11:9-10
"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

hahaha yea thats wonderful,

jesus loves you, and he'll take care of you, all he and his lord needs is your complete obedience and subservience and theyll provide you with everything you poor wretched zombie


in one breath you ppl will tell me how you are all infinite consciousness and talk about astral bodies, how your just visiting this earth etc

and in the same breath youll declare how jesus will save you and love you etc etc

your not thinking clearly here, your not practicing what you preach, the two mindset and diametrically opposed


and to all the ppl who see my posts, and think that im acting arrogantly of pretentiously, thats YOUR problem, its a sign of how YOU are really arrogant iside, youre the one who has a lot of internal cleaning to do,

im just stating facts, and if your a smart one, you'd check em out, and do further research into the subject

i have been doing my homework and finding out things as best as i can,

i make posts agreeing with ppl who put up good information, and disagree with you lot who think theyve got it right, YOU dont, sorry, you can hate me all you want, but theres a whole bunch of BS posted in this thread


its just you ppl have a corrupted view or image on what enlightened ppl are supposed act like, like your supposed to just talk about flowery fluffy stuff all the time, and if you show any kind of aggressive behaviour this is supposed to be indicative of ignorance

well thats too bad for some of you, who are too used to ppl agreeing with you all the time,

i dont back down to you UTTERLY IGNORANT ppl, not even on these forums, let alone in everyday life,

youre flat out wrong, know your role, you have to learn before you can jump to the 'teacher' role

and i dont consider myslef a teacher by any means, im learning everyday new things, i enjoy this

but compared to some of you, im like Merlin,

armoured_amazon
13-03-2008, 08:06 PM
I'm made up for ya.

intruder
13-03-2008, 08:10 PM
not that armoured amazon requires my defence as this lady is damn articulate... but why do you "pick" on her so to speak?

sunyatta60
13-03-2008, 09:55 PM
This is clearly a rhetorical question. :rolleyes:

Blimey I should have stopped where u did LOL u ducking again Amazon :p

razed1
13-03-2008, 10:04 PM
its clear this amazon isnt serious about her research

tis why i dont cast pearls before this swine