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infin8_possibility
17-02-2008, 05:09 AM
Sorry to get all morbid brothers and sistas. And I know this is a question I dont think any living person can answer but It always intrigues me as to what happens when the human consiousness/spirit/soul is between human vessels.

Would we have the ability to think and interact with others past on while hanging about in the astral waiting for the right identity for are long term spiritual evolution? Or perhaps are individuality is no more and we are just part of the whole?

Much Love.

demiurge
17-02-2008, 06:54 AM
well, it is a hard question, but heres what i think.

there is a higher state of conciseness that transcends all states of concisness and densities, in fact it is the soul creator of these densities. since we have never experienced that state of concisness it is the biggest mistery in our lives but at the same time it s not (let s just say we can speak in metaphors about it, and only imagine what it would be like, but never could we imagine the feeling).

lets just say it is the place that needs no words, thoughts...it s a total mistery. when a person dies, i think, it achives that state of cocisness, in fact, the person becomes all concisness and all that is. but, since he/she/it is overwhelmed by the feeling, it still maintains it s own ego, self, not because he/she/it is selfish but for he knows no better. then the defence system (let s call it the matrix) starts to operate. the matrix feeds on concisness, it devours it, it s especially sesitive on egos, for the unkown concisness knows no subjective experience for it belongs in the matrix domain.

the rest is up to the matrix. i belive if we were humans in the past life, we will probablly be in the next, because we already experienced that state of concisness, and we probably wont get back in the animal or plant state since human concisness is higher.

thats what i think. i also think there are ways to defeat the matrix, but not in the sence of destoying it, since it is also infinite, but geting past it survailence, let s just it that way...

ohforf
17-02-2008, 08:18 AM
A bit of a short answer but I believe there is nothing after you die, nothing. If I am wrong however I wont be disappointed.

chandrakavi
17-02-2008, 08:48 AM
I saw in an interview to Alejandro Jodorowsky, a live chilean mystic, who works on PSYCHOMAGIC, and sees the Tarot freely, talking about his autobiography book he had written(quite interesting, I am still reading it, really well written, called, THE DANCE OF REALITY). Well in the TV interview he says his father was an atheist,
who looked like Stalin, so he says he was "raised by Stalin". When Jodorowsky was 4 years old his father told him: "you die, you rot,. and that's all". HE was left with his eyes wide open looking up sacared at his dad, with a trauma he would have to take care later... Ever since then ,he says funnily, he wished he could have had a metataphysical aspirin... :D:D:D

angelicangel
17-02-2008, 10:36 AM
It would be nice to think we come back and watch over others left. I still think my mother and father are with me, looking after every move I make. I have no powers to know if this really happens, or wether it is my imagination, but I keep the ideas in my own head that if there is a life after death, I would not be frighten to pass away.:)

rebel ins
17-02-2008, 10:38 AM
depends on your belief

angelicangel
17-02-2008, 02:43 PM
depends on your belief
True, but no one really knows what happens to you, if only someone could come back and tell us, we would all be able to tell everyone what it's really like.:)

chandrakavi
17-02-2008, 06:50 PM
True, but no one really knows what happens to you, if only someone could come back and tell us, we would all be able to tell everyone what it's really like.:)

If you still have not done so, read: MANY LIVES, MANY MASTERS by Brian L.Weiss.
A psychiastrist of hospital Sinai from Miami, USA, a skeptical about re-birth,
who tells the case of his patient Catherine, whom he treated under hypnosis.
And Catherine remembered with full detail her past lives, of many centuries ago.
Today the psychiatrist does not doubt about re-incarnation and has become a specialist in these subjects.

We can not wait for people who have left to come tell us the story, we have to do
our research on this, on what has happened.

coshh
17-02-2008, 09:05 PM
what happens to you when you live?

angelicangel
17-02-2008, 11:40 PM
If you still have not done so, read: MANY LIVES, MANY MASTERS by Brian L.Weiss.
A psychiastrist of hospital Sinai from Miami, USA, a skeptical about re-birth,
who tells the case of his patient Catherine, whom he treated under hypnosis.
And Catherine remembered with full detail her past lives, of many centuries ago.
Today the psychiatrist does not doubt about re-incarnation and has become a specialist in these subjects.

We can not wait for people who have left to come tell us the story, we have to do
our research on this, on what has happened.I do believe in re-incarnation too, I have heard some great things that have come through hypnosis. One not to far back about the woman who discribed her existance in Wales, so told of the cottage, village and everything about the people who lived there. They did research and found out that everything was true. So yes i am interested in that subject too. :)

enlightenme
18-02-2008, 05:20 AM
i am in 2 minds because i was raised catholic though now follow the Buddhist teachings. I tend to believe more in re-incarnation.

I also believe that there is someone waiting or assisting in the death process….maybe angels.
I watched an untie pass over and she was speaking up to her last breath. She physically fought with the men (angels) assisting her over b/c she did not want to go. She told us what they looked like ect. I was horrified as well as having an immense sense of calm come over me when I observed this. Although you may say she was not in the state of mind so close to death, I witnessed otherwise.

angelicangel
18-02-2008, 10:54 AM
i am in 2 minds because i was raised catholic though now follow the Buddhist teachings. I tend to believe more in re-incarnation.

I also believe that there is someone waiting or assisting in the death process….maybe angels.
I watched an untie pass over and she was speaking up to her last breath. She physically fought with the men (angels) assisting her over b/c she did not want to go. She told us what they looked like ect. I was horrified as well as having an immense sense of calm come over me when I observed this. Although you may say she was not in the state of mind so close to death, I witnessed otherwise.

I did witness my mothers passing, weak that she couldn't move, at her final few moments, she raised up with her right arm out stretched and and smiled the biggest smile I had ever seen. I was convinced that either my father or a loved one had come to collect her. I might be wrong, but I know the feeling I felt, at least who ever it was it managed to take her away from the pain she was suffering.:)

enlightenme
19-02-2008, 12:32 AM
angelicangel, condolencences for your parents passing.

my unties arms were also stretched upward. although she struggled, her last moment was in peace. until you see it with your own eyes, its unconceivable to think there is nothing following death.

drakul
19-02-2008, 12:40 AM
ANGELIC ANGEL, ENLIGHTENME - Thankyou for sharing your experiences with watching your loved ones die. This is very important. I have always hoped that when I die it will not be in a hospital bed but on a hill somewhere with a clear view of the sky and angels will come down to assist me...

angelicangel
19-02-2008, 12:25 PM
Fortunatly my mother died in a lovely care home with the view of the Malvern hills in the back ground, something she loved. My family and my sister was there at her passing and although very upsetting at the time, we all felt at peace knowing all her pain had gone. I myself is not worried about passing from this life, I might have been years ago, but now feel that it is like going into a peaceful sleep and let the outside world carry on without you.:)

chandrakavi
20-02-2008, 05:17 AM
Fortunatly my mother died in a lovely care home with the view of the Malvern hills in the back ground, something she loved. My family and my sister was there at her passing and although very upsetting at the time, we all felt at peace knowing all her pain had gone. I myself is not worried about passing from this life, I might have been years ago, but now feel that it is like going into a peaceful sleep and let the outside world carry on without you.:)

Thank you for sharing Angel. I can feel you are a HEART PERSON, and that today is very valuable. My mother died on November and my father on Valentine's day. Their health was detiriorated, although i felt their parting, also felt it was better for them, they were no longer being part of us. We have a strong attachment to our dear ones, but after all it is the law of life, and we are included when the time comes. I find people have no fear when parting (although they may have been terrified of death for a life time), my experience is that they are quite at ease in those moments, strangely enough. Their bodies seemed like they had left this world in peace, which is important. That is truly a gift.

armoured_amazon
20-02-2008, 07:24 AM
These answers are very long. The short answer is 'we don't know until we die.'

Re: Reincarnation - that contributes to division and ambivalence, hatred and acceptance of injustice around the world in cultures that believe in this state.

infin8_possibility
20-02-2008, 09:10 AM
These answers are very long. The short answer is 'we don't know until we die.'


This is true... But woulndt it be nice to have a little understanding before we pass. But wait, most of us have already been though the transition and it is wired into us. We probably understand more then we can ever imagine...

armoured_amazon
20-02-2008, 09:14 AM
This is true... But woulndt it be nice to have a little understanding before we pass. But wait, most of us have already been though the transition and it is wired into us. We probably understand more then we can ever imagine...

We always hunger for more understanding. When I was a child, my mother must have had the patience of a saint :)

drael
20-02-2008, 12:25 PM
My guess is that we wake up from this dream, remembering our lives and memories, exactly like when u wake up from any other dream.

Whats the astral plane like? Well ive dreamt about it several times. It was like a lucid, communal dream (u share spaces), where thought/fear/love/attachment becomes material (takes serious practice to get right) - and one can join with other souls directly, merging for the full love experience. Oh, and also theres was kinda symbolic echoes from this plane that appear here and there. U prolly go at least part way there every night in ur "dreams".

deliciously_fresh
20-02-2008, 01:55 PM
If I knew, I would let you all know. :p :)

Personally, I hope that I will get to meet God and have a nice long chat about life and the secrets of the universe.

My ideal afterlife would be one where love rules. Everyone is at peace with themselves and each other. :)

I would also have an endless supply of doughnuts and other foods that I love. They would be good for my health and non-fattening. :D

Nothing but non-stop bliss.

asentinel
20-02-2008, 01:58 PM
what happens to you when you live?

It is such a fantastic discovery that we endlessly discuss not-living!??

My mother said to me when her mind started to slip; actually it was the "personality", that was slipping away, and her spirit/natural self was starting to break through;

"I am going to a whole new world, I am going to the other side of the world, I wish I could take you with me..."

She was not afraid, but sounded like someone or something had been whispering in her ear.

Anyone can think what they will of this. I just understand what I experienced with her.

I know that at the end we were interacting telepathically.

I stayed with her for hours at a time, day after day, and the last day, we went to sleep in the same little space, and I believe were able to interact on another more subtle level.

I know that I facilitated a type of "crossing" over for her. She lasted 2 and a half weeks without food and water (sorry to be giving that detail), and I used powerful plant oils and homeopathic essences to help her transition peacefully, and keep her lungs from filling up and drowning and having a heart attack or stroke, which is what happens when all the organs fail, the body absorbs all the energy it can from within and then one by one they fail. They cannot give them anything except morphine for pain, as they cannot process any food or water.

I was getting her message about a particular music she wanted to "hear" and went to nurse station and reached for the cd and got it in one. Her fav singer. I played music continuously beside her bed. Read her poetry, brought all her fav flowers, and had a photo of her when she was a teenager.

Several days after I had visions and dreams and I believe there is a definite transition. What that being decides to do next, I can only wonder, and is not for my imaginings. The visions were as if in a pyramid and shaft heading up to a brilliant golden doorway, which I was travelling up, and saw through two dark eye sockets, then the flash of a raven's yellow gold eyes and shiny black feathers, then into the black velvet sky surrounded by diamond stars. Coming back to my body inside my room, I saw in front of me a bubble, transparent, containing the sky and stars, like a vortex in front of me. Following days I saw the shaft again, with first again the black sky and stars, and then the last day, an early morning or afternoon sky, with golden clouds speeding overhead rapidly, like in time lapse photography. The shaft was very clear, all the cut blocks and at an angle of 40-45 degrees upwards.

Go figure....

This is what happened to me. A very profound experience.

astral_girl
20-02-2008, 03:33 PM
True, but no one really knows what happens to you, if only someone could come back and tell us, we would all be able to tell everyone what it's really like.:)

spirit do -have you ever visited your local spiritualist church?

armoured_amazon
20-02-2008, 07:23 PM
It is such a fantastic discovery that we endlessly discuss not-living!??

My mother said to me when her mind started to slip; actually it was the "personality", that was slipping away, and her spirit/natural self was starting to break through;

"I am going to a whole new world, I am going to the other side of the world, I wish I could take you with me..."

She was not afraid, but sounded like someone or something had been whispering in her ear.

Anyone can think what they will of this. I just understand what I experienced with her.

I know that at the end we were interacting telepathically.

I stayed with her for hours at a time, day after day, and the last day, we went to sleep in the same little space, and I believe were able to interact on another more subtle level.

I know that I facilitated a type of "crossing" over for her. She lasted 2 and a half weeks without food and water (sorry to be giving that detail), and I used powerful plant oils and homeopathic essences to help her transition peacefully, and keep her lungs from filling up and drowning and having a heart attack or stroke, which is what happens when all the organs fail, the body absorbs all the energy it can from within and then one by one they fail. They cannot give them anything except morphine for pain, as they cannot process any food or water.

I was getting her message about a particular music she wanted to "hear" and went to nurse station and reached for the cd and got it in one. Her fav singer. I played music continuously beside her bed. Read her poetry, brought all her fav flowers, and had a photo of her when she was a teenager.

Several days after I had visions and dreams and I believe there is a definite transition. What that being decides to do next, I can only wonder, and is not for my imaginings. The visions were as if in a pyramid and shaft heading up to a brilliant golden doorway, which I was travelling up, and saw through two dark eye sockets, then the flash of a raven's yellow gold eyes and shiny black feathers, then into the black velvet sky surrounded by diamond stars. Coming back to my body inside my room, I saw in front of me a bubble, transparent, containing the sky and stars, like a vortex in front of me. Following days I saw the shaft again, with first again the black sky and stars, and then the last day, an early morning or afternoon sky, with golden clouds speeding overhead rapidly, like in time lapse photography. The shaft was very clear, all the cut blocks and at an angle of 40-45 degrees upwards.

Go figure....

This is what happened to me. A very profound experience.

Thankyou for sharing it. :)

infin8_possibility
21-02-2008, 04:58 PM
Found an interesting site on "near death experiences of te rich and famous" here is the link.
http://www.near-death.com/famous.html

deliciously_fresh
21-02-2008, 05:19 PM
It is such a fantastic discovery that we endlessly discuss not-living!??

My mother said to me when her mind started to slip; actually it was the "personality", that was slipping away, and her spirit/natural self was starting to break through;

"I am going to a whole new world, I am going to the other side of the world, I wish I could take you with me..."

She was not afraid, but sounded like someone or something had been whispering in her ear.

Anyone can think what they will of this. I just understand what I experienced with her.

I know that at the end we were interacting telepathically.

I stayed with her for hours at a time, day after day, and the last day, we went to sleep in the same little space, and I believe were able to interact on another more subtle level.

I know that I facilitated a type of "crossing" over for her. She lasted 2 and a half weeks without food and water (sorry to be giving that detail), and I used powerful plant oils and homeopathic essences to help her transition peacefully, and keep her lungs from filling up and drowning and having a heart attack or stroke, which is what happens when all the organs fail, the body absorbs all the energy it can from within and then one by one they fail. They cannot give them anything except morphine for pain, as they cannot process any food or water.

I was getting her message about a particular music she wanted to "hear" and went to nurse station and reached for the cd and got it in one. Her fav singer. I played music continuously beside her bed. Read her poetry, brought all her fav flowers, and had a photo of her when she was a teenager.

Several days after I had visions and dreams and I believe there is a definite transition. What that being decides to do next, I can only wonder, and is not for my imaginings. The visions were as if in a pyramid and shaft heading up to a brilliant golden doorway, which I was travelling up, and saw through two dark eye sockets, then the flash of a raven's yellow gold eyes and shiny black feathers, then into the black velvet sky surrounded by diamond stars. Coming back to my body inside my room, I saw in front of me a bubble, transparent, containing the sky and stars, like a vortex in front of me. Following days I saw the shaft again, with first again the black sky and stars, and then the last day, an early morning or afternoon sky, with golden clouds speeding overhead rapidly, like in time lapse photography. The shaft was very clear, all the cut blocks and at an angle of 40-45 degrees upwards.
Go figure....

This is what happened to me. A very profound experience.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing with us. :)