Confidence in Alternative Beliefs

[deliciously_fresh]

Hey guys,

Yay, my first thread! :D

On a serious note, my thread is about people who hold beliefs contrary to the norm.

Usually they/we are discriminated against and mocked for thinking outside of the box or challenging our society's views. It can be frustrating, hurtful and difficult for us to speak our personal truths.

I am curious as to how people on this board gained confidence in their not-so-common beliefs. Have you ever struggled with fear of what others would think of your 'far-fetched' ideas? Do you speak on conspiracy issues easily? If so, how did you get over it? What advice would you offer to others who are worried about speaking up?

Thanks. :)

[phildee3]

Hey guys,

Yay, my first thread! :D

On a serious note, my thread is about people who hold beliefs contrary to the norm.

Usually they/we are discriminated against and mocked for thinking outside of the box or challenging our society's views. It can be frustrating, hurtful and difficult for us to speak our personal truths.

I am curious as to how people on this board gained confidence in their not-so-common beliefs. Have you ever struggled with fear of what others would think of your 'far-fetched' ideas? Do you speak on conspiracy issues easily? If so, how did you get over it? What advice would you offer to others who are worried about speaking up?

Thanks. :)

Belief sucks! -
whether it's mainstream or "alternative."

Seek knowledge, - and wisdom;
then you don't have to worry about these things.

[deliciously_fresh]

Belief sucks! -
whether it's mainstream or "alternative."

Seek knowledge, - and wisdom;
then you don't have to worry about these things.

LOL, thanks. :)

[grover66]

Hey guys,

Yay, my first thread! :D

On a serious note, my thread is about people who hold beliefs contrary to the norm.

Usually they/we are discriminated against and mocked for thinking outside of the box or challenging our society's views. It can be frustrating, hurtful and difficult for us to speak our personal truths.

I am curious as to how people on this board gained confidence in their not-so-common beliefs. Have you ever struggled with fear of what others would think of your 'far-fetched' ideas? Do you speak on conspiracy issues easily? If so, how did you get over it? What advice would you offer to others who are worried about speaking up?

Thanks. :)


Hi Deliciously!

I normally find a long, booze fuelled rant does the trick for me ... get liquored up and keep talking over the top of your audience when they try to interrupt :)

Actually, that's a half truth ... I do find it hard to talk about my ideas and beliefs with people that are close to me, let alone people I don't know that well. I think my problem is that I need to get to a point where I'm confident I know enough about my ideas to counter any argument or ridicule and at this stage I'm still learning. Usually if I want to bring something up, I'll go in soft ... just kind of throw something into the mix and see what kind of reaction I get. Although of course with some subjects I feel really strongly about, I don't feel intimidated but that's because I know enough about what I'm saying to not be put off!

[deliciously_fresh]

Hi Deliciously!

I normally find a long, booze fuelled rant does the trick for me ... get liquored up and keep talking over the top of your audience when they try to interrupt :)

Actually, that's a half truth ... I do find it hard to talk about my ideas and beliefs with people that are close to me, let alone people I don't know that well. I think my problem is that I need to get to a point where I'm confident I know enough about my ideas to counter any argument or ridicule and at this stage I'm still learning. Usually if I want to bring something up, I'll go in soft ... just kind of throw something into the mix and see what kind of reaction I get. Although of course with some subjects I feel really strongly about, I don't feel intimidated but that's because I know enough about what I'm saying to not be put off!

Hi Grover66, :)

LOL@ a booze-fuelled rant :D

I understand where you're coming from. I am trying to work on my own lack of confidence in general. It's difficult at times when my own 'self-talk' is negative. :o

[angelmoon]

Hey guys,

Yay, my first thread! :D

On a serious note, my thread is about people who hold beliefs contrary to the norm.

Usually they/we are discriminated against and mocked for thinking outside of the box or challenging our society's views. It can be frustrating, hurtful and difficult for us to speak our personal truths.

I am curious as to how people on this board gained confidence in their not-so-common beliefs. Have you ever struggled with fear of what others would think of your 'far-fetched' ideas? Do you speak on conspiracy issues easily? If so, how did you get over it? What advice would you offer to others who are worried about speaking up?

Thanks. :)

good first thread

i am passed caring whether people think i am mad lol it's a grace that comes with age
also with some subjects i find it is amazing how many people open up and have there two penneth once the discussion has been instigated

you'll always get the hard liners were the world is still black & white but it sowed seeds and maybe they will go off and do a bit of research of there own
and that's always a good thing xx

[deliciously_fresh]

good first thread

i am passed caring whether people think i am mad lol it's a grace that comes with age
also with some subjects i find it is amazing how many people open up and have there two penneth once the discussion has been instigated

you'll always get the hard liners were the world is still black & white but it sowed seeds and maybe they will go off and do a bit of research of there own
and that's always a good thing xx

Thanks. :)

Were you ever ridiculed for your beliefs?

[angelmoon]

Thanks. :)

Were you ever ridiculed for your beliefs?

of course mostly from the sycophants that say nothing but give you the tongue in cheek look

i once went in to a pub that i have been going in for some years , it was the start of the Diana trial i sad it is a waste of time and money as it is obvious she was assassinated
well i may as well said the pope was gay ,in Vatican square !!!! lol
this guy who i had known for some time went ape shit lol
and hasn't spoke to me since

[deliciously_fresh]

of course mostly from the sycophants that say nothing but give you the tongue in cheek look

i once went in to a pub that i have been going in for some years , it was the start of the Diana trial i sad it is a waste of time and money as it is obvious she was assassinated
well i may as well said the pope was gay ,in Vatican square !!!! lol
this guy who i had known for some time went ape shit lol
and hasn't spoke to me since

Seems a tad extreme. Lol

[siscid]

Hey guys,

Yay, my first thread! :D

On a serious note, my thread is about people who hold beliefs contrary to the norm.

Usually they/we are discriminated against and mocked for thinking outside of the box or challenging our society's views. It can be frustrating, hurtful and difficult for us to speak our personal truths.

I am curious as to how people on this board gained confidence in their not-so-common beliefs. Have you ever struggled with fear of what others would think of your 'far-fetched' ideas? Do you speak on conspiracy issues easily? If so, how did you get over it? What advice would you offer to others who are worried about speaking up?

Thanks. :)

Yo DJ Fresh what's up :D

To answer your question, I have always felt a lot of fear about believing in alternative beliefs, due to the factors and circumstances of bringing them to light with others. I usually get ridiculed about believing in stuff that isn't what society wants you to believe, weather or not it's actually true.

I guess even though I don't have full proof for some of my beliefs, The matter of fact that I do know is, is that I have no desire to sway anyones opinion. I don't need lots of people to believe in what I believe for it to be true or not.

Hope that Helped :)

Stay strong!

Siscid

[deliciously_fresh]

Yo DJ Fresh what's up :D

To answer your question, I have always felt a lot of fear about believing in alternative beliefs, due to the factors and circumstances of bringing them to light with others. I usually get ridiculed about believing in stuff that isn't what society wants you to believe, weather or not it's actually true.

I guess even though I don't have full proof for some of my beliefs, The matter of fact that I do know is, is that I have no desire to sway anyones opinion. I don't need lots of people to believe in what I believe for it to be true or not.

Hope that Helped :)

Stay strong!

Siscid

Hey Siscid, :)

Thanks for the feedback.

Did you just decide one day not to give two hoots what others think? Do you still struggle with doubt? If so, how do you rebuild your confidence?

[siscid]

Hiya mate,

Well.. thats a tough bunch of questions. Sometimes, the most difficult things you have to do is stick to your word when the world around you thinks your a crock. I've tried to wake up people as I go along (I'm a culprit for not doing much I'm afraid. but when I see opportunities, I will take them!).

At one point in my time learning about all of this, I became a bit of an elitist with the information. I used to look down upon people that didn't understand it or said it was rubbish and called them stupid sheeple. But I realized what I was doing was really not healthy. Just because they didn't understand this, Did not in anyway mean that they weren't intelligent human beings.

(An example of this is people who are selling computer component's. If the customer does not understand, Instead of helping them, they will look down at them and think their an idiot in all ways of life.. Not all cases of course!)

If I could make any recommendation, it would be this:

(..Umm... Crap I forgot what I was gonna say...Oh yeah that's it!)

With the world as it is, you have probably noticed that most people on the planet do not want to learn what there is to learn at the moment. Right?

That to me is self-evident that people in most circumstances are only willing to learn new things about various subjects when they are ready to do so. (Or of course in a situation that is extremely threating to them. I.E When its too late.. lol).

So when you present information to someone and they strongly and maliciously disagree with you, It's best to finish presenting it to them as best as you can and really just ignore any rude comments they might make about it. It stings at first, but it dies away after a while. Also, if I am correct, I mentioned this statement to you in another post:

Take the information, leave the emotion..

The above takes a little practice as I have stated beforehand.. But know that most things in life do take a bit of practice to master, and once you have mastered a technique similar to that it will open up doors on all sides.
Imagine for a second this scenario:

One evening, your with some good mates of yours at the pub or something and your all discussing topics of all natures. You see a good opportunity to talk about..9/11 shall we say? and your mates scoff and mock you about it..

-----------------------------------------------------

Well OK what have we just witnessed?

1. We witnessed a lack of care for the reaction towards supposedly outrage information.(In their vision of course which clearly shows they are not experienced with learning about more alternative subjects like conspiracy theories)

2. Maybe we approached them in the wrong manner. Because remember from point 1, we began to understand the general audience of who you are talking to. So from there you can figure out more appropriate ways of giving the information to them (May take several attempts but sometimes something makes a breakthrough)

Thats only two pointers about one of various scenarios that could happen. But the point I want to make from all this waffle is that from learning to be calm in situations under pressure, you can pick up and learn new information that you might not of picked up while getting into a heated argument. Sometimes the mentality of sitting back and just "taking it" can be very difficult. But with regular practice in doing that, it can be very rewarding!

Sorry for all of that. My mind when crazy with ideas.. I hope there is at least a little bit of it all that can help you in your future dealings with people unexperienced in the field of conspiracies/alternative theories.

Thanks and I hope your doing well!

Siscid

P.s My fingers are killing me after that! LOL

[deliciously_fresh]

Hiya mate,

Well.. thats a tough bunch of questions. Sometimes, the most difficult things you have to do is stick to your word when the world around you thinks your a crock. I've tried to wake up people as I go along (I'm a culprit for not doing much I'm afraid. but when I see opportunities, I will take them!).

At one point in my time learning about all of this, I became a bit of an elitist with the information. I used to look down upon people that didn't understand it or said it was rubbish and called them stupid sheeple. But I realized what I was doing was really not healthy. Just because they didn't understand this, Did not in anyway mean that they weren't intelligent human beings.

(An example of this is people who are selling computer component's. If the customer understand, Instead of helping them to understand they will look down at them and think their an idiot in all ways of life.. Not all cases of course!)

If I could make any recommendation, it would be this:

(..Umm... Crap I forgot what I was gonna say...Oh yeah that's it!)

With the world as it is, you have probably noticed that most people on the planet do not want to learn what there is to learn at the moment. Right?

That to me is self-evident that people in most circumstances are only willing to learn new things about various subjects when they are ready to do so. (Or of course in a situation that is extremely threating to them. I.E When its too late.. lol).

So when you present information to someone and they strongly and maliciously disagree with you, It's best to finish presenting it to them as best as you can and really just ignore any rude comments they might make about it. It stings at first, but it dies away after a while. Also, if I am correct, I mentioned this statement to you in another post:

Take the information, leave the emotion..

The above takes a little practice as I have stated beforehand.. But know that most things in life do take a bit of practice to master, and once you have mastered a technique similar to that it will open up doors on all sides.
Imagine for a second this scenario:

One evening, your with some good mates of yours at the pub or something and your all discussing topics of all natures. You see a good opportunity to talk about..9/11 shall we say? and your mates scoff and mock you about it..

-----------------------------------------------------

Well OK what have we just witnessed?

1. We witnessed a lack of care for the reaction towards supposedly outrage information.(In their vision of course which clearly shows they are not experienced with learning about more alternative subjects like conspiracy theories)

2. Maybe we approached them in the wrong manner. Because remember from point 1, we began to understand the general audience of who you are talking to. So from there you can figure out more appropriate ways of giving the information to them (May take several attempts but sometimes something makes a breakthrough)

Thats only two pointers about one of various scenarios that could happen. But the point I want to make from all this waffle is that from learning to be calm in situations under pressure, you can pick up and learn new information that you might not of picked up while getting into a heated argument. Sometimes the mentality of sitting back and just "taking it" can be very difficult. But with regular practice in doing that, it can be very rewarding!

Sorry for all of that. My mind when crazy with ideas.. I hope there is at least a little bit of it all that can help you in your future dealings with people unexperienced in the field of conspiracies/alternative theories.

Thanks and I hope your doing well!

Siscid

P.s My fingers are killing me after that! LOL

Thanks a whole bunch for this. :) Oh and sorry about your fingers! :D

I'm trying to be more confident in all facets of my life. I do struggle with low self esteem from time to time when it comes to discussing my beliefs, or just being me in general. I'm working on it, but it is certainly a challenge. :o

1st bolded: It's good that you overcame the elitist attitude. It's a big turn-off for people to deal with.

2nd bolded: Very true. I have a tendency to 'clam' up when it comes to conflict, so I will need to practice feeling confident in what I have to say when dealing with counter-attacks. Oh, and not take other people's 'stuff' too personal.

3rd bolded: I'm not too bad. How about you?

[siscid]

Hiya mate!

I'm doing just fine thanks :)

But I want to apologize again for so much text. I could of used a lot less for this, but I'm going to be retaking my GCSE's over the next few years and right now I'm getting geared up for English and Higher Maths for the first year(+ I want to contribute more to the forum.. Most of the time I'm just telling people to stop fighting LMAO!). So, as you can see, my vocabulary and use of words needs to be improved hehe.

For what you said, I know mate I really do about how hard it is to start talking about things that are really important to you, with other people present. It's like speaking to a big audience at a seminar. Takes time and practice to get used to it and also get used to accepting everything that comes your way from achieving the goal of being more open with people around you. (The positive and the negative).

If you do get stuck more you can always PM me with things you need help with! It always helps to have someone who can help you through difficult times. :)

[deliciously_fresh]

Hiya mate!

I'm doing just fine thanks :)

But I want to apologize again for so much text. I could of used a lot less for this, but I'm going to be retaking my GCSE's over the next few years and right now I'm getting geared up for English and Higher Maths for the first year(+ I want to contribute more to the forum.. Most of the time I'm just telling people to stop fighting LMAO!). So, as you can see, my vocabulary and use of words needs to be improved hehe.

For what you said, I know mate I really do about how hard it is to start talking about things that are really important to you, with other people present. It's like speaking to a big audience at a seminar. Takes time and practice to get used to it and also get used to accepting everything that comes your way from achieving the goal of being more open with people around you. (The positive and the negative).

If you do get stuck more you can always PM me with things you need help with! It always helps to have someone who can help you through difficult times. :)

That's great! Are you planning to go to Uni once you're done?

Yeah, I agree. I don't open up to people that much (only my journal), so I know that this will be difficult. Dealing with low self-esteem sucks! :(

Thanks for the offer. :)

[siscid]

That's great! Are you planning to go to Uni once you're done?

Yeah, I agree. I don't open up to people that much (only my journal), so I know that this will be difficult. Dealing with low self-esteem sucks! :(

Thanks for the offer. :)

Hey thanks mate! And yes, I'm seriously considering it.

Ah thats OK mate! Whatever works best for you. But me and plenty others on the forum will try and help out as best as possible if you do want to share anything! This site isn't just about conspiracy theories.

:)

[deliciously_fresh]

Hey thanks mate! And yes, I'm seriously considering it.

Ah thats OK mate! Whatever works best for you. But me and plenty others on the forum will try and help out as best as possible if you do want to share anything! This site isn't just about conspiracy theories.

:)

Great. :)