Astral projection & Meditation

[whitenight639]

Does anyone have any good advice on how to achieve astral projection, iv tried meditating and I always seem to fall asleep. Also would like to hear anyones storys of there OBEs....

[didgeylee]

Hi.
Go to this site www.mysticweb.org Full of great info.
They also do a free online course on astral projection and OBE's.

PEACE

[didgeylee]

When meditating always keep an upright posture,it
helps to keep your mind alert but relax your body,
follow your breath and the sensations it produces
rise and fall of chest,coolness in back of nose,movement
of your belly ect all this helps to ditract the minds chater.
Hope this helps!
PEACE

[whitenight639]

Thankyou and welcome to the forum.

[friendsinthesky]

Does anyone have any good advice on how to achieve astral projection, iv tried meditating and I always seem to fall asleep. Also would like to hear anyones storys of there OBEs....

This site (individual person) is one of the best I've read, it pretty much sums up astral projection and accurate (for mine).

www.jonasridgeway.com

[indigo]

My Astral Projection is always random. It's a great experience though. Sometimes I have found that hypnotherapy can help, but I would also like to make it happen myself, but haven't mastered it yet. It can be a bit scary at first but once you get a bit braver it's the best experience ever.:D

[oneofmany]

Try a brainwave generator if you dare, be warned it's a powerful tool. Do a full session before you goto bed and hang on ;)

[indigo]

Try a brainwave generator if you dare, be warned it's a powerful tool. Do a full session before you goto bed and hang on ;)
Whats a brainwave generator, if you don't mind me asking:confused:

[oneofmany]

Whats a brainwave generator, if you don't mind me asking:confused:It's a computer program that plays rythmic tones and frequencies that effect your brain in certain ways. With presets you can Astral travel, awaken your third eye and even simulate the effects of certain drugs. All you do is put on your headphones and start meditating, the program does the rest. here is the torrent for one if you want it
http://btjunkie.org/torrent?do=download&id=2908e7249dcf47437b0687...

enjoy

[indigo]

Thanks:)

[whitenight639]

Try a brainwave generator if you dare, be warned it's a powerful tool. Do a full session before you goto bed and hang on ;)

yer iv got bilateral? beats/ hypnosis that i listern to (without any visual) but they never work i listerned to Kyau and Albert Worldvibe kinda dance/ trance, and it was loads better.

[whitenight639]

This site (individual person) is one of the best I've read, it pretty much sums up astral projection and accurate (for mine).

www.jonasridgeway.com

That site is down atm but the optical illusion on the homepage is mad, best iv seen!

[mada88]

Does anyone have any good advice on how to achieve astral projection, iv tried meditating and I always seem to fall asleep. Also would like to hear anyones storys of there OBEs....

Check out lucid dreams. Watch vanilla sky! the whole films about lucid dreams

[soundist]

For help with meditation in general, and as a mutch better alternative to programs that mess with your brainwaves, use one (http://www.frankperry.co.uk/Tibetan%20Bowls.htm) of (http://www.ami-da.com/) these (http://www.soul-guidance.com/singingbowlsinformation.htm) instead. I have 4 modern ones and two handmade authentic ones and there brilliant.

But make shure you get an authentic one, or else a handmade one, as there far batter than the machine made ones.

[friendsinthesky]

Originally Posted by friendsinthesky
This site (individual person) is one of the best I've read, it pretty much sums up astral projection and accurate (for mine).

www.jonasridgeway.com

That site is down atm but the optical illusion on the homepage is mad, best iv seen!

Oh, so I notice, that's a real bummer, there was some real hard core information at that site. Hope Jonas comes back soon.

[thoth]

Just try to concentrate on nothing. The more 'nothingness' you can get to, the easier it is to let go.

[whitenight639]

Just try to concentrate on nothing. The more 'nothingness' you can get to, the easier it is to let go.

yer how to define nothing/ nothingness? i know what you mean but my brain has to run a thought past me every few second even in meditation! and if the thoughts stop i fall asleep! simple as that, i can get vivid pictures going on and have occasionaly felt warm vibrations in my arm and legs but nothing more! i need a Guru lol

[kha zarr]

you cant concentrate on nothing, can you? since its no thing????

meditation means to clear the mind.

concentration means focusing the mind.

i dont think both can be done simultaneously.

hey this line skipping thing is easier to read aint it?? ;)


'meditation' : definition on dictionary.com I picked out [theres a few]: "To train, calm, or empty the mind, often by achieving an altered state, as by focusing on a single object"

I prefer to define it this way: the systematic method of emptying the mind of thought. reminds me of 'wei wu wei', which means 'action w/o action' or, 'effortless action' [spontenaity] or Bruce Lee said in english, 'fighting, w/o fighting'. cool eh??

I have heard the light and sound method, a specific one, forget which, which said you have to alternate between meditation and concentration to achieve the astral projection and deeper states. What is said you should focus on is a very small light in the center of your closed eyes, and try to listen for a sound - and go towards it [new agers might say 'higher self'].

Ive tried this and boy I was ungrounded for a few weeks afterward. It felt like I went pretty deep but I didnt really like it. Ive read that Im supposed to just get past the unconfortable feelings like being dizzy etc, if I can then Ill be able to project. Supposedly fear brings you back to your body very quickly so any fear of getting lost or whatever will make you go back.

I dont attempt conscious projection these days. Just clearing my mind now and again I like to activate my chakras/meridians.

Michael Tsarion I watched one video online and he talks about how yoga and meditation today are not at all what were originally done. What I wanna know is, whats the closest method that exists today?

[whitenight639]

I have heard the light and sound method, a specific one, forget which, which said you have to alternate between meditation and concentration to achieve the astral projection and deeper states. What is said you should focus on is a very small light in the center of your closed eyes, and try to listen for a sound - and go towards it [new agers might say 'higher self'].

Ive tried this and boy I was ungrounded for a few weeks afterward. It felt like I went pretty deep but I didnt really like it. Ive read that Im supposed to just get past the unconfortable feelings like being dizzy etc, if I can then Ill be able to project. Supposedly fear brings you back to your body very quickly so any fear of getting lost or whatever will make you go back.



Thankyou for this i will try that method of focusing on light, its strang tho i know fear brings you back also dosnt help that if you experience anything wierd your mind immediatly butts in with 'that was wierd/cool' and your bk to square one, ill get there soon.

[auron]

Here are 2 of the best books i have read on O.B.E's and astral projection (Click to Download):

Out of Body Experiences - Robert Peterson (http://www.badongo.net/file/2727476)

Journeys Out Of The Body - Monroe (http://www.badongo.net/file/2727313)

And this is in my opinion the best book on how to successfully have Lucid Dreams:

Stephan LaBerge - Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming (http://www.badongo.net/file/2718432)

If you follow their techniques carefully, O.B.E's and lucid dreams can be done with a little practice and patience!

Happy Traveling! :)

Love Auron

[whitenight639]

Here are 2 of the best books i have read on O.B.E's and astral projection:

Out of Body Experiences - Robert Peterson (http://www.badongo.net/file/2727476)

Journeys Out Of The Body - Monroe (http://www.badongo.net/file/2727313)

And this is in my opinion the best book on how to successfully have Lucid Dreams:

Stephan LaBerge - Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming (http://www.badongo.net/file/2718432)

If you follow their techniques carefully, O.B.E's and lucid dreams can be done with a little practice and patience!

Happy Traveling! :)

Love Auron


shit, cheerz dude i went to the libary today and knew there was something i wanted, i looked for some of davids books but they were checked out till the 28th i ended up with leading with NLP. i will check those books out thankyou

[geewhizz]

Astral Dynamics from Robert Bruce is the AP bible!

Worked for me and has some info about the realms no other book gets near.:cool:

[peter19]

Astral Projection Technique Technique Collection.pdf
Size: 115KB |
http://www.sendspace.com/file/sx86o8

do_obe.pdf
Size: 746KB |
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4pkq5j

spirit quest
http://www.sendspace.com/file/clt8j3

robert bruce treatise
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bmfnsr

hope they help.

i think i might of had one experience but still not too sure because it seemed abit vague. what it was, i was lying down just relaxing on the morning for about an hour or 2 (which is abit long for me lol) trying to obe. and it felt like i slid of the bed and my hole perception of my body went, it felt like i was stood up, right next to the bed and because i couldnt see (had no astral sight) thats why even thats still abit vague and still makes me semi unsure if it was one or not.

another thing what i think you need to get right is do you truely believe that its possible?. theres a part of me even after that experience what is still sort of skeptical. but im pritty sure its real and suppose because i havent propplys (or i might have) experienced obe more there is always some slight doubt maybe.

but in theory i think what you should do is relax majorly some say thats the most important thing. then try and go into trance/ mind awake body asleep, useing visualization or feeling like you are going down ect like in and elevator for example. and then if it all goes good use an exit technique like imagine climbing up a rope or rolling out onto the floor.
but i am talking to myself here too - dont just read about it, give it a propper go, dont just give in after one go and i believe if you stick at it you will do it.

an if you do tell us how you do lol.

[auron]

Great books!

Iv'e found the best way to achieve O.B.E's, is to lie on your back on a bed (with absolutely no distractions whatsoever), that is really softly padded (try putting down about 5 blankets on top of each other). Start meditating, keeping extremely still, and totally realxed in all places in your body.

After about 10 minutes of this, you should start feeling weghtless, as though you are not lying on anything. At this point you may feel amazing, and it is quite easy to drift off to sleep. Keep alert, but most importantly still and relaxed.

Now, you know the point between your eyebrows? You must focus in your minds eye something like a yo-yo being on it. Now imagine it going straight up in the air, and then back down again. keep doing this and after a while you will start feeling as though you are rising above your body, and you can shoot up above!

This is when you feel completely detached from your body, and you can will yourself around.

This is the stage i'm at, after trying for a couple of years, and i have still not figured out how to have a true O.B.E. Because at this point it is extremely difficult to remain conscious, and not drift off to sleep. But i'm gonna keep on trying, and not give up!

Auron:)

[peter19]

good info, thanks.

how long do you normally try for like?. i think in the morning is a good time to try because your body is relaxed but your mind is abit more alert. what you described as willing yourself to move thats abit how i felt also. you just want to move and you do. but because for me it was only that experience and never lasted to long and because i couldnt see, it is abit vague now. but i think if you can just even watch yourself more before you go to sleep that might help. what do you think about energy work and obe?. iv read a couple of robert bruces books and he highly promotes it, but im still abit not too sure like. iv tried it alot though.

also i think a few of use peeps said you have spontaneious obes and i was just wondering how they come about?. like is it in the morning, do you feel very dissasosiated, very happy or full of energy ect, what state or you in when they come about?. because even spontanious ones i think they might not propplys be just you pop out and thats it. i think you could be doing something like relaxing alot or just lying down and not moveing or something and then that helps you get out of your body. the info would be appreatiated, thanks.:)

[tru3]

For help with meditation in general, and as a mutch better alternative to programs that mess with your brainwaves, use one (http://www.frankperry.co.uk/Tibetan%20Bowls.htm) of (http://www.ami-da.com/) these (http://www.soul-guidance.com/singingbowlsinformation.htm) instead. I have 4 modern ones and two handmade authentic ones and there brilliant.

But make shure you get an authentic one, or else a handmade one, as there far batter than the machine made ones.

tibetan bowls are awesome. i have one for the second/third chakra that's almost pure quartz and about 30" in diameter. i think it is machine made, but it still rocks! :) when they are used in toning in a group of 20-30 people, the effect is sublime.


kha zarr
you cant concentrate on nothing, can you? since its no thing????

meditation means to clear the mind.

concentration means focusing the mind.

i dont think both can be done simultaneously.

exactly. i have been meditating for about 15 years, it has been my experience that meditation serves to widen the "gap" between before thoughts. the longer i have practised, the more clear has been the knowledge that thoughts arise and dissolve back into the nothing. i have thought, but i am not my thoughts. i have feelings, but i am not those feelings. and, i am not the nothing; i am the Presence, the Stillness, which in which they arise and dissolve.

as for astral projection, meditating on mandalas/sacred geometry and that type of stuff: personally, i would advise anyone to have a strong foundation in vispassana/insight meditation and Witness meditation before they even attempt this type of stuff. i only offer this admonition in love and service, i love you guys, and your mileage may vary from my experience, but i really have seen and experienced too much to let it pass.

as for astral projection, george noori has a good book out called "working in the light" about how to develop one's own innate abilities.

yer how to define nothing/ nothingness? i know what you mean but my brain has to run a thought past me every few second even in meditation! and if the thoughts stop i fall asleep! simple as that, i can get vivid pictures going on and have occasionaly felt warm vibrations in my arm and legs but nothing more! i need a Guru lol

there is no difference between god, guru, and the Self. "he" is Who You Are. :)

as i mentioned, i have found that the "gap" between thoughts does widen over time.

the easiest way to start is just to sit quietly, mindful of the breath. as a thought arises, simply say to yourself, "thinking". just register the process of mentation, but NOT the content of the thought! let it pass, and repeat the process. after several years of this, one of two things will happen: you will experience excruciating boredom, and either: a) give up meditation, or b) have a breakthrough! :D


also i think a few of use peeps said you have spontaneious obes and i was just wondering how they come about?. like is it in the morning, do you feel very dissasosiated, very happy or full of energy ect, what state or you in when they come about?. because even spontanious ones i think they might not propplys be just you pop out and thats it. i think you could be doing something like relaxing alot or just lying down and not moveing or something and then that helps you get out of your body. the info would be appreatiated, thanks

i highly recommend breathwork. holotropic breathwork and rebirthing in particular is an extremely powerful modality to "break the bond" of the bodymind.

in love and service :)

[aventurine]

Some great advice on this thread - thanks everyone! :)

I have also been trying to astral project for a couple of years now, on-and-off, but haven't got past the vibrations/floating sensation stage. It's a real frustration for me again at the moment, which probably doesn't help matters, lol. The key, I believe, is total relaxation, but it's so hard to achieve that without nodding off, as has already been mentioned above.:rolleyes: I'll keep persevering though.

As for meditation, I think alot of people get hung up on technique, when really there are no set rules, IMO. Just go with the flow & what feels best for you personally. I tend to enjoy guided meditations, or visualising myself walking or travelling in beautful, relaxing places concentrating on the scenery. Gets rid of any stray thoughts really well for me!

[peter19]

Hi.
Go to this site www.mysticweb.org Full of great info.
They also do a free online course on astral projection and OBE's.

PEACE

isnt one of the people who writes the articals on that site called "Belzebuub"? -
–noun 1. the chief devil; Satan.
2. a devil.
3. (in Milton's Paradise Lost) one of the fallen angels, second only to Satan.

hes real name is
Mark H. Pritchard

but he writes as Belzebuub. :confused: im not too keen on hes work now.

[nirvana]

I could never tell the difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming.
I was one of those people who did it naturally when I was a teenager.It used to happen to me very early in the morning.I got better at it by, writting a dream diary every morning. After a while you start to become more intune with your sub conscious.For me I lost control.It started of good but then I started to go through extream fear.I got to a stage when I would project up in to the sky and then I found a roof i'd go through that roof then another one would appear and so on. It felt like something was stopping me from going up.I also ended up being sectioned I totally lost the plot.It took me 15 yrs to come out of it.I used to suffer from extream heat and felt very claustrophobic.If you get involved in this make sure you do some grounded exercises and try not to become obsessed with it.

[loveemotion]

hey guys.. long time :)

everything happened when i was in russian... i was born in russia.
while in middle school, you guys would call, i had experienced somethign very cool and i know it was real.. but i guess it is not the time for me to grasp it yet but ill get there :P

It was beginning of one week vacation kind of a spring break... well being around 12 years old.. as all russians do.. we got and have a drink :)
All of my friends gathered we bought some vodka.. and drifted away :)
being drunk and all.. everyone strated to do something to impress each other... one friend was showing his physic.. another one was already sitting on a split :) ('sitting on balls') :D
It was very dark... and to cut the story short, everyone decided to go home and get some rest..

Here is what i cannot be sure of 100%.. there was me and my friend we lived across form each other.. i was tlakign to him... and then he was gone out of my sight (he didnt tell me he was going home yet)
Right after he was gone.. i was under cover (regular 9 floor project buildings in russia look it up)
I Started to see Balls of a different color(maybe 7 of them i remember red and blue and green for sure)... i wasnt scared or felt any discomfort... and immediately started to play with them... by thinking i could move them... change their colors.. and then it started to drift away.... and it was gone.
Immideately thought of my friend but he was nowhere seen.. i when to his flat and his mother told me he was already asleep for some time...

I think i have lost around an hour during this amazing experience..

What do you guys think? what was it? what was happening to me? lost time?
balls of colors?
Love and Light

[peter19]

if anyone is intrested in robert bruce, astral dynamics, (good book) and there is william buhlman just go to this site - http://www.4shared.com/network/search.jsp?searchmode=2&searchName=astral+dynamics&x=30&y=14 (astral dynamics)
---------------. http://www.4shared.com/network/search.jsp?sortType=1&sortOrder=1&sortmode=2&searchDCId=20&searchName=william+buhlman&searchmode=2&searchName=william+buhlman&searchDescription=&searchExtention=&start=0&x=31&y=14 (william buhlman, adventures beyond the body)

[aznality]

yer how to define nothing/ nothingness? i know what you mean but my brain has to run a thought past me every few second even in meditation! and if the thoughts stop i fall asleep! simple as that, i can get vivid pictures going on and have occasionaly felt warm vibrations in my arm and legs but nothing more! i need a Guru lol
I'm not sure if we actually "fall asleep". I feel like my mind totally blanks out after 15 mins or so of meditating, but I just see it as your mind being very still. And yes, you aren't supposed to "concentrate on nothing" either. What I do is focus on a particular thought or intention.

i think i might of had one experience but still not too sure because it seemed abit vague. what it was, i was lying down just relaxing on the morning for about an hour or 2 (which is abit long for me lol) trying to obe. and it felt like i slid of the bed and my hole perception of my body went, it felt like i was stood up, right next to the bed and because i couldnt see (had no astral sight) thats why even thats still abit vague and still makes me semi unsure if it was one or not.
I think I had a similar experience to yours a few months ago too. I was sleeping at the time, but I felt myself disconnect from my body. I felt my arms reach down underneath and through my bed. I couldn't see anything though. It didn't last for long. I did have strange visions later when I got up, but couldn't really comprehend what I was seeing.

Iv'e found the best way to achieve O.B.E's, is to lie on your back on a bed (with absolutely no distractions whatsoever), that is really softly padded (try putting down about 5 blankets on top of each other). Start meditating, keeping extremely still, and totally realxed in all places in your body.

After about 10 minutes of this, you should start feeling weghtless, as though you are not lying on anything. At this point you may feel amazing, and it is quite easy to drift off to sleep. Keep alert, but most importantly still and relaxed.

Now, you know the point between your eyebrows? You must focus in your minds eye something like a yo-yo being on it. Now imagine it going straight up in the air, and then back down again. keep doing this and after a while you will start feeling as though you are rising above your body, and you can shoot up above!

This is when you feel completely detached from your body, and you can will yourself around.
Thanks Auron. I'll give that method a go.

I'm planning to pick up some books on astral projection as well as remote viewing soon.

[barbitone]

I would highly recommend Robert Bruce indeed. His concepts seem to me to be right on. Tactile imaging, the split-mind effect.....

[synergy777]

its dreams, simple. i lucid dream, or astral project as you like everynight, i hate it, i haven' had a good nights sleep in ages. if anyone knows how to turn it off, please feel free to give me info.

[thoth]

You can think of nothing and focus. Try thinking of nothing, its hard as shit! Try rythmic breathing, after a while it comes naturally. Rythmic breathing is creating resonance.

[alexph777]

www.probablefuture.com
www.astralpulse.com

[viginti tres]

Have astral travelled since I was young and do it almost everynight, fantastic experience.......lucid dreams also come quite frequent and I have had several visions in the past that seem to be manifesting in one way or another into my experience as if at that time I was reminding myself of how things are (if this makes any sense to anyone).....

As a kid I would always project myself, yet I was always running from some unseen shadow and would always end the projection abruptly by falling from a large cliff and crashing with waves of heat and panic back into my body. Once I awoke to a demonic face staring down at me and have had many similiar experiences.....

After some time, a few years in fact of these projections I started to take control and at that time would leave my body to fly up and beyond sometimes circling the planets if I desired. Other times I would walk from my body and when I started running would fly off, going higher and higher and then swooping down and back up again......though I'll note here that I have also seen many 'dark beings' whilst on these planes and the chasing continued till about 6 months ago when I faced this "dark man" and defeated him with love (many refer to him as the man in black, perhaps I'll relay the whole story sometime).

Do not stray from these states for fear of these encounters, this is just my own experience with this state and having gone through this has made me stronger for it and know we are powerful enough in soul to conquer anything the 'negs' can throw at us. The majority of my travels have been learning experiences and I've loved these experiences in all there forms. Such an incredible feeling...to fly....to live........to love....to be....to see.

I have been meeting with people on the astrals all my life....though lately the energy is different....lighter as if new perceptions have been gained, or perhaps it is this energy permeating from the collective souls of al that is and from our vast beautiful universe.

Conversations there are enlightening, and just the other night I met what felt like a future partner, we discussed many things, mainly in regards to spiritual development, knowledge of self.....I will look for her again tonight......her dog was following me around everywhere I went and her children were guiding me to some place, though I never found out where.......I need to start keeping a diary also.

Happy travels fellow soul surfers......keep at it ....know you will succeed


http://www.crystalinks.com/astralprojearth.jpg

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[earthseed]

I love astral traveling so much that I'm sad when I have to come back. Wish I could exist without a body. Oh well someday! :)

[synergy777]

Have astral travelled since I was young and do it almost everynight, fantastic experience.......lucid dreams also come quite frequent and I have had several visions in the past that seem to be manifesting in one way or another into my experience as if at that time I was reminding myself of how things are (if this makes any sense to anyone).....

As a kid I would always project myself, yet I was always running from some unseen shadow and would always end the projection abruptly by falling from a large cliff and crashing with waves of heat and panic back into my body. Once I awoke to a demonic face staring down at me and have had many similiar experiences.....

After some time, a few years in fact of these projections I started to take control and at that time would leave my body to fly up and beyond sometimes circling the planets if I desired. Other times I would walk from my body and when I started running would fly off, going higher and higher and then swooping down and back up again......though I'll note here that I have also seen many 'dark beings' whilst on these planes and the chasing continued till about 6 months ago when I faced this "dark man" and defeated him with love (many refer to him as the man in black, perhaps I'll relay the whole story sometime).

Do not stray from these states for fear of these encounters, this is just my own experience with this state and having gone through this has made me stronger for it and know we are powerful enough in soul to conquer anything the 'negs' can throw at us. The majority of my travels have been learning experiences and I've loved these experiences in all there forms. Such an incredible feeling...to fly....to live........to love....to be....to see.

I have been meeting with people on the astrals all my life....though lately the energy is different....lighter as if new perceptions have been gained, or perhaps it is this energy permeating from the collective souls of al that is and from our vast beautiful universe.

Conversations there are enlightening, and just the other night I met what felt like a future partner, we discussed many things, mainly in regards to spiritual development, knowledge of self.....I will look for her again tonight......her dog was following me around everywhere I went and her children were guiding me to some place, though I never found out where.......I need to start keeping a diary also.

Happy travels fellow soul surfers......keep at it ....know you will succeed





Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

me too, good to find someone i can relate, talk to bro. also cool avatar, i use the gandalf one too on illusions/conspiracy central.

[whitenight639]

great posts ladies and gents,
If everyone could astral travel they would all know infinate love/ soul. and we might have some hope.

[jaanus]

great posts ladies and gents,
If everyone could astral travel they would all know infinate love/ soul. and we might have some hope.

Hope never dies ;)

[whitenight639]

what i mean is it would give everyone concrete proof of the existance of the soul/ light body so we would all know beyond a shadow of doubt that there is an afterlife.

[indigo]

Have astral travelled since I was young and do it almost everynight, fantastic experience.......lucid dreams also come quite frequent and I have had several visions in the past that seem to be manifesting in one way or another into my experience as if at that time I was reminding myself of how things are (if this makes any sense to anyone).....

As a kid I would always project myself, yet I was always running from some unseen shadow and would always end the projection abruptly by falling from a large cliff and crashing with waves of heat and panic back into my body. Once I awoke to a demonic face staring down at me and have had many similiar experiences.....

After some time, a few years in fact of these projections I started to take control and at that time would leave my body to fly up and beyond sometimes circling the planets if I desired. Other times I would walk from my body and when I started running would fly off, going higher and higher and then swooping down and back up again......though I'll note here that I have also seen many 'dark beings' whilst on these planes and the chasing continued till about 6 months ago when I faced this "dark man" and defeated him with love (many refer to him as the man in black, perhaps I'll relay the whole story sometime).

I remember having an experience where i was being chased by what i can only describe as an ogre type creature, I had this frequently untill one night I stopped running and turned and faced him. He then run away from me and I never had it back. It was such a powerful experience and something I still think about all these years on. I wonder if it means ''facing up to your demons'' That was my first experience of lucid dreaming... I have always astral travelled and sometimes in these travells I suddenly get projected to something which later comes true.:eek: Great experiences though.

[brians201]

Thanks to everyone on this site who has posted links to information on how to Astral Travel and have shared their experiences. The limit of my success so far has been a few Lucid dreams (where i have became aware I was dreaming during the dream itself.) Sadly I could not hold on to it for too long :confused:

To anyone new to this who wants to try to learn some techniques and chat with others who are also trying to learn projection I really can recommend the website www.mysticweb.org (http://www.mysticweb.org)

Do not be alarmed by the main guy's name Belzeebub ... It is nothing to do with devilment :) and right at this time they are coming to the end of the current periodical 8 week online course which are offered absolutely free. It does help to buy the book of the course however and that is available from Amazon for around a tenner.

The online course has it's own forum where participants can discuss their problems, progress and experiences freely with each other and also be advised by online instructors. It really is very gentle and supportive and a wonderful way to be introduced into this little advertised way into discovering one's own spirituality. This forum continues after the courses and is always there for support from like minded people.

The world we enter during sleep is at least as real as the one we are programmed to think is real and to neglect it is to miss out on a great opportunity for learning .......

Happy Trails .....

[ashyr]

one time i had this very scary thing happen to me

As i usually do i smoke alot of BUD. igot really really stoned one time and went to lie down on my bed. i was just lying on top of my bed, relaxed so much and warm confortable. silence. normally i have a.d.d and mymind is full of chitter chatter but not today. i lay there for so long thinking inside my head. that i realise i havnt taken a breath in over 2 minutes or however long it feels. and in that instant i get this MEGA shock and spring out of bed @ 200 miles an hour. sitting up my heart is super racing. then im like whoa i almost died. and i lie down try to goto sleep and BANG it happens again. it just kept happening i was starting to freak out i got so scared thinking shit what is happening to me. then i thought well if i just goto sleep and if ive fried the part of my brain that makes me rememebr to breath by smoking to much pot so be it. ill just die in my sleep. then i remember sitting up. turning sideways off my bed walking over to my bedroom door, touching the door handle turning it and opening the door. as i do i look backwards into my room and see my body still on my bed.. the instant i see my body i snap back into it and have that same MEGA SHOCK spring out of bed @ 200 miles an hour thing. i was so freaked out. this happend all in about 1 hour. very scare. but now im at the stage in life where i want to do it again. i wanna go further. i wanna fly =D.


also i just want to say about the person who wants to stop lucid dreaming.

ME TO. thats why i smoke so much POT. i smoke it before bed causethen i dont dream. i find if i wake up in themorning and have had some REALLY intense dream. like no other. my mood and general feeling all day is either screwed up from the dreams or effected in some way and i dont like it.

[aznality]

After some time, a few years in fact of these projections I started to take control and at that time would leave my body to fly up and beyond sometimes circling the planets if I desired.

Have you ever tried going inside the planet?

[whitenight639]

ladies and gents,
this came to me after messing with a walkie talkie and reading davids newsletter, in your average room you will find lots of electrical equipment and i read somewhere that the astral body is possible electromagnetic in nature, would it not make sense then that have things such as large speakers, computers and tv in your room would mess with your natural frequencies and prevent you for getting out of body?, i realised that i have 2 massive speakers above each end of my bed and a tv and my PC so creating a magnetic prison if you like, im going to move them out next time i meditate and see if i get any further, also this may affect dreams in some way. worth a think about. Also now i think about it monatomic elements are supposed to shy away from magnetic fields and can even move through glass jars if theres a field present so i read, and these elements supposidly are naturally in our bodies.

[ashyr]

yeah thats obviously obvious isnt it?

[niftygifter]

Has anyone got this to work?
It downloads but sits there as it tries to install.

Nifty

[lightbeing]

ladies and gents,
this came to me after messing with a walkie talkie and reading davids newsletter, in your average room you will find lots of electrical equipment and i read somewhere that the astral body is possible electromagnetic in nature, would it not make sense then that have things such as large speakers, computers and tv in your room would mess with your natural frequencies and prevent you for getting out of body?, i realised that i have 2 massive speakers above each end of my bed and a tv and my PC so creating a magnetic prison if you like, im going to move them out next time i meditate and see if i get any further, also this may affect dreams in some way. worth a think about. Also now i think about it monatomic elements are supposed to shy away from magnetic fields and can even move through glass jars if theres a field present so i read, and these elements supposidly are naturally in our bodies.

Hi there whitenight639,

Good point, whenever I meditate and try and astral fly, I am in my front room surround by 5 speakers & a massive sub woofer!:eek: I will try it in the dinning room away from the speakers!.............:)

[whitenight639]

yeah thats obviously obvious isnt it?

yes but not to us conditioned minds, never though about it before.

[macstrong]

No such luck with the brainwave generator download...where are you getting the program? Thanks!

[supermanny]

No such luck with the brainwave generator download...where are you getting the program? Thanks!
Try one of these
http://www.demonoid.com/files/?category=0&subcategory=All&quality=All&seeded=0&external=2&query=brainwave+generator&uid=0&sort=

[yvonne]

Thnx for all the download books guys!!:):)

[strider]

No such luck with the brainwave generator download...where are you getting the program? Thanks!

Try this.. should work.

http://www.mediafire.com/?3hmxmhemin1

[strider]

On the subject of astral projection, here's a good technique. Will take a while to master but worth the effort.

Absolutely know what your bedroom looks like from a good few different angles, memorize it completely until you're satisfied. (This may take longer than you might expect).

Upon waking up, in that in between waking and sleep state with your eyes shut begin to visualize your room as if you were hovering above and looking down on yourself, taking in every detail as much as possible until again you are satisfied. (Again this could take weeks, months even).

Then begin to move on looking around the room at all different angles, especially ones you might not be able to physically see. Feel the sensation of floating as much as possible, it will soon become very real. For me the sensation of floating eventually turned into a powerful magnetic force pushing me in any direction I wanted to go.

When you have mastered the basic steps of floating around your room, then you're free and safe to go off and explore.

I really haven't had the time lately to keep it up but I know it gets results if you apply yourself..

[mountain]

On the subject of astral projection, here's a good technique. Will take a while to master but worth the effort.

Absolutely know what your bedroom looks like from a good few different angles, memorize it completely until you're satisfied. (This may take longer than you might expect).

Upon waking up, in that in between waking and sleep state with your eyes shut begin to visualize your room as if you were hovering above and looking down on yourself, taking in every detail as much as possible until again you are satisfied. (Again this could take weeks, months even).

Then begin to move on looking around the room at all different angles, especially ones you might not be able to physically see. Feel the sensation of floating as much as possible, it will soon become very real. For me the sensation of floating eventually turned into a powerful magnetic force pushing me in any direction I wanted to go.

When you have mastered the basic steps of floating around your room, then you're free and safe to go off and explore.

I really haven't had the time lately to keep it up but I know it gets results if you apply yourself..


I will try this, sounds good. I have lucid dreams and can fly at warp speeds, but when I am in the OBE state, it is somewhat challenging.

[ashra]

I have lucid dreams and can fly at warp speeds, but when I am in the OBE state, it is somewhat challenging.


The first time I got into such a dreamstate was the best I ever experienced. It began with an infinite violet space. I could see myself as some kind of light being flying through this space. then flying swords attacked me from all directions. first slowly, then they became faster until it felt like flying with light speed. I moved so fast that I could avoid being hit by the swords.
right after that I flew (this time from my point of view) through black space flilled with green mist.
since then I had such experiences about 10 times, not to speak of my dreams that seem to be from anywhere out of this world.

the most fightening one ever was a few weeks ago. In the dream I was somewhere outside with my girlfriend. I lay on the ground and the told me, she would like to show me something. then she put her hands on my heart.
then I heard a 'zooooooooooom'like sound and the only thing I saw was extremely bright light flashing for about 1 second. What happend then was the second frightening thing I ever experienced (dying on a heavy load of magic mushroom was the ultimate). I lay in my bed and the whole room was filled with blue light. and I could look around me, although the room was actually totally dark. I heard awful screams around me. I got so frightened that I tried to scream. then I woke up.

one other time I 'dreamed' that I was a a room with a girl lying in a bed. she was dying. her soul tried to get hold of me. I took all energy to scream 'go into the light'. words cannot describe how i felt when this girl's soul somehow longed for me.

weirdest 'dream' ever for me is this one: I sit infront of a mirror and look into my own eyes. suddenly they morph into one single eye that is growing bigger,
just like a basketball. then again this zooooooooooom-sound and for about 1 or two seconds I saw something that I can only explain as it being my own soul.

these states are not real OBEs I think but they were very important to me.
I could write a book about all my different 'dreams'.

[ashra]

Concerning the Brainwave Generator or programs like this - I cannot really recommend them. only for doing a little experimentation. They definitely work. But I think it can be quite dangerous to mess with our brain frequencies by listening to binaural beats too often. After I tried the Lucid Dream preset I had no real lucid dream but dreamed very intense and could not fall into deep sleep the whole night. The next day I felt like shit.
I also tried a astral projection preset but after a few minutes I began to feel so freaky that I stopped.

[whitenight639]

Concerning the Brainwave Generator or programs like this - I cannot really recommend them. only for doing a little experimentation. They definitely work. But I think it can be quite dangerous to mess with our brain frequencies by listening to binaural beats too often. After I tried the Lucid Dream preset I had no real lucid dream but dreamed very intense and could not fall into deep sleep the whole night. The next day I felt like shit.
I also tried a astral projection preset but after a few minutes I began to feel so freaky that I stopped.

What is astral projection preset?

[carlo]

Boring site!!!

[ashra]

What is astral projection preset?

http://www.bwgen.com/inx_oobe_dat.htm

I used the Trip into Time preset.

[nativo]

my name is raul and im new to this website.i would like to say hello to everyone and feel free to send me any messages.This website is great and i know every member in here is as well:) know whats happening!
PAZ

[ichi wa zen]

Astral projection?

Id rather dream of leaves falling of trees in full sakura blossom! So beautiful!

[artsapart]

Does anyone have any good advice on how to achieve astral projection, iv tried meditating and I always seem to fall asleep. Also would like to hear anyones storys of there OBEs....
I have a great book on astral projection teaches the technique etc..... the isbn is isbn0-87542-181-4 hope this is some help

[synergy777]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Story?id=3936448&page=1

Living in Dreamworld
Researcher Stephen LaBerge Brings Lucid Dreaming to the Masses

By DAVID WRIGHT and MELIA PATRIA
Nov. 30, 2007

Share Somewhere in between the Cinderella school of dreaming and the darker dreamscape of "The Matrix" lies Stephen LaBerge, an expert in a technique called lucid dreaming.

He believes that what happens to people in their dreams is as real an experience as what happens in real life.

By becoming aware that they're dreaming while they're asleep, lucid dreamers say they can learn to consciously control and manipulate the dreamscape, allowing them to live out their wildest fantasies in a virtual reality with no earthly boundaries.

A renowned lucid dreaming expert, LaBerge spent more than a decade researching the science of lucid dreaming at Stanford University. In his most groundbreaking experiment, he showed that lucid dreamers can consciously signal from the dream world while in REM sleep.


The author of several books on the topic, LaBerge developed a plethora of techniques to help people gain lucidity, including the NovaDreamer, a special sleep mask.

LaBerge believes that, with proper training, people can actually control their dreams, provided they learn how to recognize that they're dreaming while still asleep.

In a way, he is teaching people how to live their dreams.

"All you have to say is, 'This is a dream. Anything is possible.' If there's somewhere I wanna go, I'm there," LaBerge said.


Dreams as Adventure Sports
In lucid dreams, one can fly like a superhero, master martial arts with no fear of injury, or have a tryst with a total stranger.

"[It's] the place where you can do anything without external consequences. So it's a place you can safely explore how to live, what to do, what you might want to do," LaBerge said.

more at the link.

thanks to edit.

[batfink010]

Does anyone have any good advice on how to achieve astral projection, iv tried meditating and I always seem to fall asleep. Also would like to hear anyones storys of there OBEs....


I've been meditating for five to six years. Deep meditating only because I discovered the truth in life, and our real purpose on this planet. David Icke is right about all the things he talks about, but he always leaves out what a person has to do to achieve cosmic consiousness. The answer is meditation. Meditation will set each and everyone of us free and only when we know our own faults can we express pure love. Then trick is to be in this world, but not of it.

I have OBE's all the time now, and let me tell you they are out of this world. When I was a beginner I shit myself because of the paralasis and the high pitch tone resonating inside my skull, but once I learned to let go of my fear I started expieriencing other dimensions. These dimensions and the way I transitioned between worlds, words could not express the magnitude of all the information I was proccessing.

In these worlds, I have super human powers. I converse with the wingged beast that is death telepathically and out loud when death asks. We are amazing if only we knew it and I for one now know the truth and our true path.

I used a product produced by the Monroe Institute called "The Gateway Expirence" and I spent about ten hours a day listening to these Hemi-Sync CD's and following the instructions. I did this for about six months solid and at the same time doing my best to stop the internal dialogue that my mind was creating. I discovered that I would analize everything that came to my mind and after a few months I noticed I was having three thoughts at a time in the space it would take for one thought. My thinking proccesses were speading up. After six months of the Hemi-Sync and noticable body sensations and a buzz feeling in my mind I decided to stop using the Hemi-Sync and started deep meditation without any aids. I focused my mind on the buzz sensation in my mind and as months passed there was an increase in the buzz I felt. The sensation was ever increasing, outgrowing any drug available. All I wanted to do was meditate. As I was meditating I would notice these clicks in my mind and everytime my mind clicked, my heart would drop a gear and slow down. My breathing is now long and slow and can breath in and out twice in a minute.

If anyone that reads this please take this advise on board. When meditating, if you do it long enough, you will come to know all your faults. You will rectify your faults by being mindful. There will be things that come to the surface of your mind that will be negative and bad. When these thoughts arise just go along with them and study them and learn to be with them without trying to block them out. If you try to block them out then book yourself into a mental hospital because they will send you insane as they did with me.

All the Buddhist books I read said the same thing!! They said " don't think of something for too long, because you become that person" and because of those words I went insane. Some of the things that came to my mind were so negative I didn't even want to think of them, but the more I blocked them out, the stronger they came back. It was only when I met a real Buddhist and given two books on Buddhism that were printed free of charge did I learn the truth. It said "just be one with your thoughts, and let them pass of their own accord" don't fight your thoughts.

It took me about six months, maybe longer to have my first OBE and it's nothing like what you read about in any book apart from one person I know of.
His name is Carlos Castaneda and the art of dreaming. If you want to know the true reality of life then get his books. The book will teach you about the seven gates to freedom. I'm about to cross the second gate as soon as I find a scout. I've Had hundreds of OBE's and let me tell you this!! As Don Juan says, so shall I. Face the unknown with fear and respect because it's not all happy rainbows. I have been so terrified at times that I wanted to stop the spiritual path, but knowledge keeps me on this path.

I will share with you one of my documented OBE's and this is what you can expect in the great unknown.

I left my body.
I was in a narrow boat with another male, It was daytime. He was rowing.
I blessed a jacket and placed it into another boat and sent it up dead mans circle river.

The other male rowed at great speed. We passed some other rowers and slowed to a gental glide next to two females.

One of the females was a patient and she was talking about her illness.
All of a sudden I was uplifted out of the boat I was in.

I was raised ten feet or so into the air and floated above her. She had a biwildered look on her face. All of a sudden the entire area was lit up in a blinding, brilliant white light.

The female said "oh my god" as she looked at me. I was sucked beyond the whitness into the blackest, black you have ever seen at tremeandous speed.

My whole body was tingling. My words can't comprehend what happened next. Out of the blackest, black appeared the blackest horse head. It was the most beautiful thing i'd ever seen in my life. It appeared to be there touchable, yet not touchable. It was there yet it was everywhere. I had a thought pop into my mind. I thought this was my lot and was going to die, but I didn't care. The horses head appeared to be smilling at me.

I awoke with my whole body vibrating. I left it about five minutes before I asked my mind the question. Did I just witness god. My whole body went into a shiver and tingled.


I have witnessed so many strange unexplainable things and all I want to do is be in theses worlds. Now I know the truth I can try to set myself free.
Real magic is ours in this lifetime. Look at shaolin monks. I want what is rightfully mine and I plan to get it.
Budda bless you all.

[swoarg]

Ive come accross this while doing a bit of research
from wikipedia

4 Hz Delta waves Deep dreamless sleep, loss of body awareness

i managed astrol projection when i was younger but dont think my method is safe but will give you a small amount of how i did this.Lay down relax imagine ur toes big toe first in ur mind fill ur toe with, well look at ur tv when its got no signal the fuzy stuff you see wants to start an fill ur toe, work the fuzy stuf up an down of ur toe (in ur mind)
until you feel that the fuzy stuff has taken over ur toes. Then slowly work the fuzzyness up your feet an legs. making sure that this fuzz has totaly taken over until you move further up the body.If you loose controll of the fuzz then go back to the point were you feels good an start agian. Eventualy your hole body will be one fuzzy thing from ur toes to ur head and ur only thought (ish) will be the fuzz in ur body. Once you have achieved this start to spiritualy step out of ur body maybe arms first, but take it one step at a time, lift ur spirit arm up and back down till you feel you have controll over it eventualy sit up and stand and away you go. Sounds easy but takes a while i allso used an imaginary light swerling around and up an down the parts i was trying to fill with the fuzz which helped. I dont know if this method is safe as it gets a bit scary when you get past ur chest and to ur head, which is why its very brief. good luck :confused::D:eek:

[edelweiss pirate]

I steer clear of communicating with spirits. The masons and secret service people hang out in the astral.

Who wants to hear voices... next thing you'll kill your own mother or something.

No thanks.

[swoarg]

Boring site!!!

how can this site be boring ur being blinded by the light i think you mean :confused:

[batfink010]

I steer clear of communicating with spirits. The masons and secret service people hang out in the astral.

Who wants to hear voices... next thing you'll kill your own mother or something.

No thanks.

Your ignorance will keep you tied to a single reality which you call life.

All our purpose on this planet (illusion) is to train our spiritual bodies to become one with our physical body and become free from this reality. To climb the ladder to our next evolutionary path. This is attained through having OBE's. OBE's are what the buddhist call "awakened"
There are things to look out for in your OBE's.

1st thing to notice is realysing your having an OBE, and everyone has OBE's everynight when they sleep, their just not aware of it. Intend for it to happen and eventually over time you will experience one.

Read my other posts. They are true, they are few.

I use the same affermations every day repeated about eight times a day till they started happening. Now I use the same affermation when I go to sleep, once.

I say in my mind "Intent, dream, out of body experience. My subconsious, unconsious, super consious minds, will make me aware of every dream, out of body experience. I will go into such states with full knowledge and awareness, This time and every time. Budda.

2nd thing to notice is having an OBE and you wake up in another OBE

3rd thing to look for is an item that melts. It could be anything from a post box to a walking stick, cup or something. This is one of the most important steps to clearing the second gate to freedom. When something melts, it's usually a sign of foreign energy (alien energy). When it happens you will instantly feel fear as I did. I got so scared that I asked the wingged beast known as death to end the OBE. I'm still to find the foreign energy again. So far I have only come across it once and I wasted my chance to follow the energy with intent.

This is a key point in the gates, because when you follow the energy you have cleared the second gate. This is the first stage to gaining foriegn energy and when you do you attain a voice in your mind that is not yours.

I followed the Carlos Castaneda books and especially the book called "The Art Of Dreaming" This book has been spot on with the information it gives. I have experienced OBE's that match the book to a tea, and everyone puts Carlos Castaneda down, calling him a nut or a fiction writter.
I swear on my sons life the books are true to the meaning of life and everyone should study all of them.

I can't stress enough. the only way anyone is going to experience these other states of mind is by medtating. Read my other posts. Deep meditating.
We are always hearing this saying. "the simplist way is always the best way" and it's true. What could be more simple, than sitting by oneself meditating.
If you want to experience heaven before you die, here and in time to come, then learn meditation.

I want to share another of my OBE's with all of you, and this OBE confirmed for me that Carlos castaneda was telling the truth in his books. None of you have to believe me, it's not my problem, but yours!! I'm pointing out to you the information that society doesn't want you to know where they ridicle him as a fiction writer. I have all his books, but only three in print, the others are pdf format and lit format. Download bit torrent, then use the pirate bay website and download for free. None of the books I have, state that they are fiction, and even Deepak Chopra comments on one of them.

The truth shall set you all free.

OBE

Mannaged to raise my legs in the air and slip out through my head.

There were many sceans passing through my vision, and many times I passed through the ground.

I had a fairly empty mind, but one question that has been plaguing me, was what Don Juan talks about in his books, about death being to the left, and at arms reach. I posed this question to the wingged beast.

He said he was indeed my death, and stated he was not always at arms reach. My mind started going in all directions, because that was the first time I actually believed it when death told me himself, that he was my death, shadowing me.

Because my thoughts were going ten to the dozen, death got irritated. He said to me, while at the same time there was this mechanical sound and pain that was given to my kidney area. It was unbearable.

Death said "that I must learn to correct my dialogue", whilst giving me this drilling type sound, pain, that felt like someone was compressing my left kidney.

I appologised for my train of thought, but the thoughts wouldn't stop. The drilling pain got worse to the point where I could no longer focus, and OBE ended.



Learn to be the true nature of youself!! it is better than anything you could possibly imagine.



Budda Bless you all.

[ichi wa zen]

Your ignorance will keep you tied to a single reality which you call life.

There exists only reality, there are no 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 realities. You are trapped in dualism.

Budda Bless you all.

You shout Buddha, yet you do not know him.

[tothestars]

Protect your body before you astralproject. You only need to ask a few prayers to the highest light or your spiritual guides.

In the past there are examples of bodies that have been overtaken by low energy entities while people have been astralsurfing
just to find out they cant enter their body again.
It is all about taking responsiblilty for yourself. Nothing comes without invitation!

[batfink010]

There exists only reality, there are no 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 realities. You are trapped in dualism.



You shout Buddha, yet you do not know him.

You talk meditation yet you have no idea. If you did, your reply wouldn't be of ignorance. We think we know it all, yet really we know nothing. I have no qualifications of any kind, yet I (the ego) knows more than you. Not of this world, but of the unknown.

I say to you!! meditate more then you will know what I know. I want you all to have the knowledge and wisdom I now pocess.

I may not know Budda personally, but I know of his teachings, and I know we've both met death!!
If I was to say I follow a teacher, it would be Carlos Castaneda, because he speaks of what I experience. Budda says it's all love, and it is, love has power over everything. And then Carlos Castaneda tells us the universe is preditory, and it is. We are faced with paradoxes every step of the way.

The unknown is more than your mind can comprehend. you ARE missing the time of your life. I don't need to proove anything because the real meditators know what I speak is truth. be free from dualism. A blank mind makes all this possible. See the truth in yourself, then you won't question me, but because of your state of mind, that's all you can do.

If your an advanced meditator, then answer this question!!!

What has been the most profound change in you? See I already know what your going to say because I have been there.

Am I a Buddhist or am I a Shaman? See I'm not sure. I think I must be a Shaman because Buddhism tells one to follow the five or eight fold path.
I follow the path except for intoxicants (larger), and eat meat. I follow the rest unquestionably, but Shamanism doesn't have these rules. I'm more attuned to Shamanism, but I don't take the drugs!! I don't require them. I just access the DMT that's already in my mind and thats all Shamans access when they take their drugs.

Call me what you like, it's only a label, and I'm not bothered. I just like the saying.

Budda bless you all, and remember, many realities exist right here and right now!!

[tothestars]

There exists only reality, there are no 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 realities. You are trapped in dualism.




death will answer you on that one day I guess :)

[infin8_possibility]

If any1 is having trouble clearing there mind and thinking of nothingness, I have a simple method that works for me.

First off I eat very little meat and I eat NO red meat whatsoever, Eating meat makes a person more anxious and aggressive beleive me I know since I eat occasionaly chicken or fish.

Now to clear the mind... Think of a big Trash can and picture it in your mind, now open the lid and imagine that all your lifes worries etc are bits of trash and seperatly add them to the bin. Next close the lid to the bin and remove it from your mind. There is also the blackboard method - to write you problems on the blackboard then use an eraser to wipe them off the blackboard.

Your mind should be clear, but if your still having trouble just try and concentrate on the slight ringing in your ears.

Peace, Love and Unity = Strengh.

[farros]

I agree that Robert Bruce is by far the best author and authority on the subject of astral projection. his website is www.astraldynamics.com, his NEW system is an incredible tool for developing a sensitivity to ones higher senses. I toyed with it for a while and had some amazing experiences as i was falling to sleep..

following the mind as it falls to sleep but keeping yourself awake is the first thing you should learn to do if your interested in OBE's, it is the beggining of operating -consciously- in an altered state of consciousness.

[batfink010]

I agree that Robert Bruce is by far the best author and authority on the subject of astral projection. his website is www.astraldynamics.com, his NEW system is an incredible tool for developing a sensitivity to ones higher senses. I toyed with it for a while and had some amazing experiences as i was falling to sleep..

following the mind as it falls to sleep but keeping yourself awake is the first thing you should learn to do if your interested in OBE's, it is the beggining of operating -consciously- in an altered state of consciousness.


I downloaded one of Robert Bruce's books from a torrents site, and spent a few hours reading it (Astral Dynamics - A NEW Approach to Out-of-Body Experiences).

He thinks he knows it all!! He knows very little in my opinion. If you want to know the best reference material, then get hold of all the books written by Carlos Castaneda, especially the book called "The Art Of Dreaming".

My experiences are far beyond what Robert Bruce talks about, and the only books that match my experiences closest, are Carlos Castaneda.
If anyone would like a copy, then email me at "batfink010@yahoo.com". I have all the books in .doc .lit .pdf and .rtf formats. I recommend starting with The Art Of Dreaming, which is book 9, then read the others to know the truth of our abilities. All that's required of you, is to stop your internal dialogue.

I'm here to help as many people wake up as humanly possible before I reach a certain state of awareness, and it no longer matters.

We as human beings, think we know everything!! We know nothing!!
Face the unknown with fear and respect.

Budda bless you all

[ichi wa zen]

You talk meditation yet you have no idea. If you did, your reply wouldn't be of ignorance. We think we know it all, yet really we know nothing. I have no qualifications of any kind, yet I (the ego) knows more than you. Not of this world, but of the unknown.

I say to you!! meditate more then you will know what I know. I want you all to have the knowledge and wisdom I now pocess.

I may not know Budda personally, but I know of his teachings, and I know we've both met death!!
If I was to say I follow a teacher, it would be Carlos Castaneda, because he speaks of what I experience. Budda says it's all love, and it is, love has power over everything. And then Carlos Castaneda tells us the universe is preditory, and it is. We are faced with paradoxes every step of the way.

The unknown is more than your mind can comprehend. you ARE missing the time of your life. I don't need to proove anything because the real meditators know what I speak is truth. be free from dualism. A blank mind makes all this possible. See the truth in yourself, then you won't question me, but because of your state of mind, that's all you can do.

If your an advanced meditator, then answer this question!!!

What has been the most profound change in you? See I already know what your going to say because I have been there.

Am I a Buddhist or am I a Shaman? See I'm not sure. I think I must be a Shaman because Buddhism tells one to follow the five or eight fold path.
I follow the path except for intoxicants (larger), and eat meat. I follow the rest unquestionably, but Shamanism doesn't have these rules. I'm more attuned to Shamanism, but I don't take the drugs!! I don't require them. I just access the DMT that's already in my mind and thats all Shamans access when they take their drugs.

Call me what you like, it's only a label, and I'm not bothered. I just like the saying.

Budda bless you all, and remember, many realities exist right here and right now!!

Ha Ha HA HAaha, you sound upset, did i hit a soft spot? You have a long way to go! Give it your best!

Reality is doing the dishes and cooking rice!

[ichi wa zen]

death will answer you on that one day I guess :)

I was never even born to begin with :p

[batfink010]

Ha Ha HA HAaha, you sound upset, did i hit a soft spot? You have a long way to go! Give it your best!

Reality is doing the dishes and cooking rice!

make of my answers as you will. Language is the barrier that makes you think I'm upset.LOL. If you reached the level of awareness I have you would know I can't get upset anymore. Experience it for yourself and know it's me that's laughing. I'm not laughing at you, but everything

All I ask from you ichi wa zen, is this!! Share your experiences with us all. If indeed you do meditate. I know I have a long way to go because the seeking of knowledge and wisdom is a never ending path!! Because of this the mind is saticefied. Five sense reality is so boring and one day you will all understand this.

Know this!! What bliss it is to sit by oneself and laugh hysterically at ones own thoughts? I've never met a person that can make myself laugh as much as my thoughts can. Discover it yourself and be the knower.
Know your inner self, then you will know me.

Budda bless you all.

[farros]

Batfink, what do you think of david icke's reptilian theoryies... are you able to access the area of subconciousness which would verify the proof of the reptilians?

[batfink010]

Batfink, what do you think of david icke's reptilian theoryies... are you able to access the area of subconciousness which would verify the proof of the reptilians?

Hi Farros. To answer your question I will simply say this. I have witnessed many non-human creatures through an OBE or awakened state, whatever you would like to call it. Some meetings with these beings have been outright terrifying and some, I have remained calm. David Icke tells us that some of the people in his travels have witnessed a human form that transforms into a reptillian form, and then back again!! well I have also witnessed this transformation, but only through an altered state of consiousness.

All I say is this!! listen to what David Icke says because he is right. Process all his information and once you have learned what things you should stay clear of, stay clear of them, and finally let go of all you have learned, but not before you have passed his information on to as many people as you can.

David says infinite love is the only truth everything else is illusion. The only way one can truly love all, is to pursue the inward journey. Hate turns to love. Anger and fear turn to non anger and non fear. who can answer this?what is love? Emotions are a trap of the five senses that are caused by inbalances/chemical reactions of the brain. Stop the internal dialogue and your left with only one emotion, well there is two. You still feel fear untill one day when it is bannished forever!! I've not reached that stage yet, but my fear is forever receding. Love is the the only emotion, but here is a paradox, you have no emotions, one becomes free from them, so how can one express what love feels like!! I have no words to describe to you what it feels like except to say this. It is bigger than all of us. It's with you all the time and one expresses it silently/without thought in all directions, towards all things. I could express an unhappy face yet internally I would be radiating love. As the old saying goes,"don't judge a book by it's cover". It's a blissfull feeling yet i'm without words to describe bliss.

All people that take on the inward journey, I hope there will be millions, will come to the same conclusions as me. Words fail to express our true nature.
Think of nothing, and you become everything. one becomes detached from everything. The one that comes last, comes first. Thoughts and answers appear from non thought and the only way I can describe that is this. Move your arm up and down, and pay attention to your mind while doing this!! There is no thought, your not speaking with words to lift and lower your arm, it's all taking place in the area of non thought.

I'm here to help that's all. I want nothing from anyone. I already have everything I need and I have nothing. I'm content, are you?


Budda bless you all

[chandrakavi]

Hi Farros. To answer your question I will simply say this. I have witnessed many non-human creatures through an OBE or awakened state, whatever you would like to call it. Some meetings with these beings have been outright terrifying and some, I have remained calm. David Icke tells us that some of the people in his travels have witnessed a human form that transforms into a reptillian form, and then back again!! well I have also witnessed this transformation, but only through an altered state of consiousness.

All I say is this!! listen to what David Icke says because he is right. Process all his information and once you have learned what things you should stay clear of, stay clear of them, and finally let go of all you have learned, but not before you have passed his information on to as many people as you can.

David says infinite love is the only truth everything else is illusion. The only way one can truly love all, is to pursue the inward journey. Hate turns to love. Anger and fear turn to non anger and non fear. who can answer this?what is love? Emotions are a trap of the five senses that are caused by inbalances/chemical reactions of the brain. Stop the internal dialogue and your left with only one emotion, well there is two. You still feel fear untill one day when it is bannished forever!! I've not reached that stage yet, but my fear is forever receding. Love is the the only emotion, but here is a paradox, you have no emotions, one becomes free from them, so how can one express what love feels like!! I have no words to describe to you what it feels like except to say this. It is bigger than all of us. It's with you all the time and one expresses it silently/without thought in all directions, towards all things. I could express an unhappy face yet internally I would be radiating love. As the old saying goes,"don't judge a book by it's cover". It's a blissfull feeling yet i'm without words to describe bliss.

All people that take on the inward journey, I hope there will be millions, will come to the same conclusions as me. Words fail to express our true nature.
Think of nothing, and you become everything. one becomes detached from everything. The one that comes last, comes first. Thoughts and answers appear from non thought and the only way I can describe that is this. Move your arm up and down, and pay attention to your mind while doing this!! There is no thought, your not speaking with words to lift and lower your arm, it's all taking place in the area of non thought.

I'm here to help that's all. I want nothing from anyone. I already have everything I need and I have nothing. I'm content, are you?


Budda bless you all

Great post batfink010

[ichi wa zen]

Share your experiences with us all. If indeed you do meditate.

My experience is not your experience and your experience is not my experience. It would be in vain. I am me and you are you and person x is person x.

Five sense reality is so boring and one day you will all understand this.

Only a fool would utter those words, look around you mr. fool!

http://www.destination360.com/asia/japan/images/s/japan-mount-fuji.jpg

The most beautiful sight i ever saw. This world is beautiful. You cant see it, your mind is clouded! Wake up now and stop pretending your superman!

[batfink010]

My experience is not your experience and your experience is not my experience. It would be in vain. I am me and you are you and person x is person x.



Only a fool would utter those words, look around you mr. fool!

http://www.destination360.com/asia/japan/images/s/japan-mount-fuji.jpg

The most beautiful sight i ever saw. This world is beautiful. You cant see it, your mind is clouded! Wake up now and stop pretending your superman!

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.

It's only a blind person that would write such a thing, and it's now that i've wet myself with laughter, laughing at your statements.

Wise words

A man once stood on a soapbox at hyde park corner and poured scorn on the christian faith. A gifted orator, he spoke loudly and confidently as he got into his stride:

People tell me that god exists, but I can't see him.

People tell me there is life after death, but I can't see it.

People tell me there is judgement to come, but I can't see it.

People tell me there is a heaven and a hell, but I can't see them.

His outburst won some applause and he climbed down from his soapbox to be congratulated by those who agreed with his message -
He was proud of himself and enjoyed the opportunity to appear clever, witty and contemptuous of christian faith.

Suddenly another man walked toward the soapbox - he struggled to get up onto it and needed help.

He followed on from the previous speaker: '

People tell me that there is green grass around, but I can't see it.

People tell me there is blue sky above, but I can't see it.

People tell me there are tree's nearby, but I can't see them.

You see, i'm blind. ' the crowd were stunned and the blind man climbed down from the soapbox to silence and went on his way.

This passage describes you to a tee ichi wa zen.
The reason you don't share your experiences with us all is because you have none worth mentioning or probably because you have never had any.LOL.
Througout all the posts iv'e posted on this website, I give a little knowledge to you all as to what you can expect to find on the path to inner silence, and the pursuit of knowledge.

You say meditation is everything and away with knowledge on the bottom of every message you send.

If you really took that inner journey you would come to the conclusion, that meditation is the pursuit of knowledge, so sorry, I think iv'e wet myself with laughter again.

Oh and one last thing, we are superhuman beings!! I know it and have experienced it.

[ichi wa zen]

Waters are waters, waves are waves and you Batman are a raindrop!

[batfink010]

Waters are waters, waves are waves and you Batman are a raindrop!

I think you must be referring to me, so I answer like this.

we all start off as a raindrops, but with years of meditation, one begins to merge with the waters. Just imagine that this text is a mans thoughts!!
To get to the real mind behind those thoughts, this page has to be blank.
Anyone that seeks knowledge, wisdom and power enough will make the journey.

Put it this way, a person will stick years into study to become a specialist at a particular trade, but no one is willing to put in the same time to become awakened. Both require study and years of training.

[ichi wa zen]

One disciple is bragging about his master to the disciple of another master. He claims that his teacher is capable of all sorts of magical acts, like writing in the air with a brush, and having the characters appear on a piece of paper hundreds of feet away. "And what can YOUR master do?" he asks the other disciple. "My master can also perform amazing feats," the other student replies. "When he's tired, he sleeps. When hungry, he eats"

[shellygurrrl]

poo

[artsapart]

I steer clear of communicating with spirits. The masons and secret service people hang out in the astral.

Who wants to hear voices... next thing you'll kill your own mother or something.

No thanks.

I think this all depends on where you hang out when your out there!!

:)

[ichi wa zen]

On the Astral Plane and Astral Projection. Quoted from H.P. Blavatsky - Studies in Occultism:

"The odic and magnetic currents of the Astral Light often incite to murder, drunkenness, immorality, and, as Eliphas Levi expresses it, the not altogether
pure natures "can be driven headlong by the blind forces set in motion in the Light" -- by the errors and sins imposed on its waves."

Stay away from the Astral Plane people! Please! Its an inferior plane infested with demons, it will not bring you any happiness.

The Astral Plane is evil!

[batfink010]

On the Astral Plane and Astral Projection. Quoted from H.P. Blavatsky - Studies in Occultism:

"The odic and magnetic currents of the Astral Light often incite to murder, drunkenness, immorality, and, as Eliphas Levi expresses it, the not altogether
pure natures "can be driven headlong by the blind forces set in motion in the Light" -- by the errors and sins imposed on its waves."

Stay away from the Astral Plane people! Please! Its an inferior plane infested with demons, it will not bring you any happiness.

The Astral Plane is evil!

You know absolutly nothing about nothing!! ICHI

If any of you want to keep your consciousness after death, then you will want to learn to reach your astral body in this life or you will not be granted the gift of trying to purify yourselves, to set yourselves free in the astral . If you do not purify yourself in the astral, then your consciousness goes back to source, back to nothingness. Only an enlightened being can be set free.

There will be much suffering due to the way you deal with the thoughts that arise in you. A person on the path is forever tripping, but never falls. Time is a healer.

I love every minute, even the frightning times in the astral and no adventure in this world comes one billionth as close to it. To be quite honest, you don't know what your missing. The astral brings me such extreams of happiness and insight, that if anyone tried to take it away from me i'd want to die.

To all the closed minds, stick to that what you know of "circles"!! and the astral is supierior to this level of existence.

Budda bless you all

[ashra]

On the Astral Plane and Astral Projection. Quoted from H.P. Blavatsky - Studies in Occultism:

"The odic and magnetic currents of the Astral Light often incite to murder, drunkenness, immorality, and, as Eliphas Levi expresses it, the not altogether
pure natures "can be driven headlong by the blind forces set in motion in the Light" -- by the errors and sins imposed on its waves."

Stay away from the Astral Plane people! Please! Its an inferior plane infested with demons, it will not bring you any happiness.

The Astral Plane is evil!

During the past few weeks I astral projected a few times. Hearing demonic voices talking to me, then flying through tunnels described in near death experiences and meeting the most awful beeings I could ever imagine. One time I was offered a golden sword of light, another time a magic potion which I took and that then brought me into such a fucked up state words cannot describe.
I feel that the more you live in love, the more attractive you become for these beeings trying to keep you of the light. But still I strongly believe that these entities or only residing on the lower atral planes and that there is much more to be found once you can get past them.

[ashra]

If any of you want to keep your consciousness after death, then you will want to learn to reach your astral body in this life or you will not be granted the gift of trying to purify yourselves, to set yourselves free in the astral . If you do not purify yourself in the astral, then your consciousness goes back to source, back to nothingness. Only an enlightened being can be set free.


I second that.

[qasrose]

Mastering Astral Projection - A 90 Day Course

is an awesome book, :D

[ichi wa zen]

The New Evil Age Gurus are all over this topic. Do not trust them people!

Stay away from the Astral Plane!

Happiness and Enlightenment are right here, in front of our noses, not on some demon infested plane.

[batfink010]

The New Evil Age Gurus are all over this topic. Do not trust them people!

Stay away from the Astral Plane!

Happiness and Enlightenment are right here, in front of our noses, not on some demon infested plane.

No!! People, happiness and enlightenment have to be attained. You live in suffering!! In every que, in every traffic jam, in every argument, in every jealous moment, in bordom, the list just goes on and on. If that's what you call happiness and enlightenment ICHI, you can keep it.

I suffer from two things on my path to enlightenment, Fear and a longing to reach my destination, but I know, in time, these obsticles will be overcome.

ichi wa zen says meditation is the only true path to enlightenment, away with knowledge. Please explain ichi, because you say it with every message. If you only new what you write about would eventually lead to out of body experiences/awakened state of being then you wouldn't come up with a stupid comment stating, stay away from the astral plane and The New Evil Age Gurus are all over this topic. You Ichi have no knowledge or experience except that which you find out of books and you believe everything that's written. You just contradict yourself ichi. You ichi need to read the right books, but more importantly, you need to practice what you preach.

Budda bless you all

[ichi wa zen]

Oi Batman, what demons have you chilled with today?

[farros]

The New Evil Age Gurus are all over this topic. Do not trust them people!

Stay away from the Astral Plane!

Happiness and Enlightenment are right here, in front of our noses, not on some demon infested plane.

Nonsense... what experience have you had in Astral projection?? the few experiences ive had out of body have been pretty demon free and have left me fascinated to experience it again... the potential for self knowledge in learning what this is is unfathomable. Infact, our evolution IMO is based on realising what lies within our own consciousness, learning to consciously have an OBE is a spiritual milestone for anyone.

You have made some good posts in this thread, but your comments about the astral plane being demon infested are just plain ignorant.

[empyblessing]

That which is resisted persists.

All of the condemnation of astral projection has done nothing but stir my interest to great heights.

I'm curious, what revelations has anyone made while on the astral plane? And is it possible to use this in order to help others?

[ichi wa zen]

People, google: Astral Plane + Demons + Devils + Black Magicians + Satan + Inferior Light

Tada!

[artsapart]

I'm curious, what revelations has anyone made while on the astral plane? And is it possible to use this in order to help others?


Hmm, feels a little uncomfortable to post anything in this thread at the moment with all that’s going on. That said though I would like to offer my own personal view and it is only that on an experience that I have had

The problem I have found with the Astral Plane, is that unless your one of these lucky/unlucky people, (depending on your view point,) that just pops out there wily nilly, without even trying, you do have to dedicate a lot of time and preparation to be able to travel very far and indeed in a safe way. So my revelations about the astral are few to share, as day to day life, trying to survive in this world constantly gets in the way, preventing me being able to experiment with the astral and other equally interesting and mysterious things to the degree that I would like. From what I have learnt though, whilst on my journey of learning, is that the astral is a great place to help/or impede others and indeed yourself. I remember very clearly the morning that I awoke to learn what I consider the higher self to actually look like. I have no idea if everyone’s is the same colour or not but the only way I can describe it is as a coulorful rainbow streaked ball of light. I observed this orb of light leaving my body and disappearing into the sky, I can remember feeling almost relieved to learn that there is more to us human beings than meets the eye, I found this revelation to be very comforting for me at the time. So I look forward to the days in my life when I can spend more time with astral traveling and other intersting phenomena.

[batfink010]

Hmm, feels a little uncomfortable to post anything in this thread at the moment with all that’s going on. That said though I would like to offer my own personal view and it is only that on an experience that I have had

The problem I have found with the Astral Plane, is that unless your one of these lucky/unlucky people, (depending on your view point,) that just pops out there wily nilly, without even trying, you do have to dedicate a lot of time and preparation to be able to travel very far and indeed in a safe way. So my revelations about the astral are few to share, as day to day life, trying to survive in this world constantly gets in the way, preventing me being able to experiment with the astral and other equally interesting and mysterious things to the degree that I would like. From what I have learnt though, whilst on my journey of learning, is that the astral is a great place to help/or impede others and indeed yourself. I remember very clearly the morning that I awoke to learn what I consider the higher self to actually look like. I have no idea if everyone’s is the same colour or not but the only way I can describe it is as a coulorful rainbow streaked ball of light. I observed this orb of light leaving my body and disappearing into the sky, I can remember feeling almost relieved to learn that there is more to us human beings than meets the eye, I found this revelation to be very comforting for me at the time. So I look forward to the days in my life when I can spend more time with astral traveling and other intersting phenomena.

Hi. could you please tell me how long it took you to experience an OBE/awakened state? how long you've been projecting and weather you do it during the day or night and in what position and could you also share with me some early symptoms on the path to project and also some obsticles you had to overcome.

You see I'm experienced and some of what your saying doesn't fit. Only a person that experiences the astral will be able to write about it, and then there are written language problems to overcome, because the full scope cannot be grasped or described only experienced.

I'm not intending to hurt your feelings and am mearly questioning and validating. Thank you for your time.

Buddha bless you all.

[artsapart]

Hi. could you please tell me how long it took you to experience an OBE/awakened state? how long you've been projecting and weather you do it during the day or night and in what position and could you also share with me some early symptoms on the path to project and also some obsticles you had to overcome.

You see I'm experienced and some of what your saying doesn't fit. Only a person that experiences the astral will be able to write about it, and then there are written language problems to overcome, because the full scope cannot be grasped or described only experienced.

I'm not intending to hurt your feelings and am mearly questioning and validating. Thank you for your time.

Buddha bless you all.

Hi Batfink

Firstly can I say that my feelings are not hurt in anyway and thank you for considering them, and secondly, love the name, I used to watch the cartoon avidly and run around shouting about how my wings are made of steel and your bullets cannot harm me etc, etc.....love it! good bit of nostalgia for me!

As far as your questions are concerned, and I agree its hard to explain things clearly sometimes, so that all understand what you are saying. I am not entirely sure if I have had the same experiences, that everybody else has had with the astral plane, but I have had, what Iinterpret to be, experiences with what, I understand the astral to be. If indeed, it is actually that, that, I am talking of. They are only my own experiences though, I offer them honestly and freely. I do not profess to be a professional at any of this, or indeed an authority, and hope that I have made that clear in my postings and I only know what I have learned and been taught.

So from a learning point of view by reading various publications, one very good one being simply called 'astral projection' by the llewellyn press. the techniques that are shown there are some of the ones that I have tried. From a teaching point of view, I have had personal experiences of other professed travellers, who have discussed at length, shown and shared experiences, this would normally take place during the day normally in the afternoon and sometimes at night but this would normally be remotely.

Before becoming slightly (and I say this as I wonder if any of us really know anything much at all, as it is just all so vast andvaried out there, with so many different view points and explanations) aware of what I interpret as the astral plane or ether, I used to travel unwittingly , now, I have learned how to stay put, or at least be aware, of what happens to my essence sometimes when I leave my body or go travelling at night.:)

Love and Light

[element]

People, google: Astral Plane + Demons + Devils + Black Magicians + Satan + Inferior Light

Tada!

This is what the bible says, and the bible is just one tiny piece of information regarding esotoric knowledge. There is no such a thing called a devil or satan. It exists in your mind, it is a symbol for the body identifying man, who only serves the world of matter. He has ''fallen'' from heaven, which is the connection with the soul, oneness with your self.

Astral projection and meditation are good tools to get back to this connection and be at one with yourselves.

Please do not take religious books literally. It will destroy your mind and put you in a prison.

[batfink010]

Hi Batfink

Firstly can I say that my feelings are not hurt in anyway and thank you for considering them, and secondly, love the name, I used to watch the cartoon avidly and run around shouting about how my wings are made of steel and your bullets cannot harm me etc, etc.....love it! good bit of nostalgia for me!

As far as your questions are concerned, and I agree its hard to explain things clearly sometimes, so that all understand what you are saying. I am not entirely sure if I have had the same experiences, that everybody else has had with the astral plane, but I have had, what Iinterpret to be, experiences with what, I understand the astral to be. If indeed, it is actually that, that, I am talking of. They are only my own experiences though, I offer them honestly and freely. I do not profess to be a professional at any of this, or indeed an authority, and hope that I have made that clear in my postings and I only know what I have learned and been taught.

So from a learning point of view by reading various publications, one very good one being simply called 'astral projection' by the llewellyn press. the techniques that are shown there are some of the ones that I have tried. From a teaching point of view, I have had personal experiences of other professed travellers, who have discussed at length, shown and shared experiences, this would normally take place during the day normally in the afternoon and sometimes at night but this would normally be remotely.

Before becoming slightly (and I say this as I wonder if any of us really know anything much at all, as it is just all so vast andvaried out there, with so many different view points and explanations) aware of what I interpret as the astral plane or ether, I used to travel unwittingly , now, I have learned how to stay put, or at least be aware, of what happens to my essence sometimes when I leave my body or go travelling at night.:)

Love and Light

Hi artsapart, Thank you, but you still havn't answered all my questions. The ones that really matter. I patiently await your reply.

Buddha bless you all

[al209]

Does anyone have any thoughts or on or experience with the link between astral projection, sleep paralysis and MDMA use? It is beyond doubt that use of MDMA can induce sleep paralysis 2-3 days later. I am not here to condone the use of illegal stimulants, but i recently used MDMA for the first time in years and it induced a very intense sleep paralysis experience where i felt i had struggled to the bottom of my stairs, wrapped in a coccoon type thing that hampered my movement. this couple with an intensse fear of an evil prescence. I "woke up" back in my bed very scared. Is this some form of astral projection?? I am exceedingly intrigued by this experience whgich has caused me to research it ultimately leading me here. Any thought would be welcome. Thanks

[batfink010]

Does anyone have any thoughts or on or experience with the link between astral projection, sleep paralysis and MDMA use? It is beyond doubt that use of MDMA can induce sleep paralysis 2-3 days later. I am not here to condone the use of illegal stimulants, but i recently used MDMA for the first time in years and it induced a very intense sleep paralysis experience where i felt i had struggled to the bottom of my stairs, wrapped in a coccoon type thing that hampered my movement. this couple with an intensse fear of an evil prescence. I "woke up" back in my bed very scared. Is this some form of astral projection?? I am exceedingly intrigued by this experience whgich has caused me to research it ultimately leading me here. Any thought would be welcome. Thanks

Hi al209. MDMA does not induce OBE'S. It's too weak a substance. Sorry

Buddha bless you all

[al209]

you seem very sure. the drug clearly has an effect on the brain to induce the paralysis experience. I have read in many places that reported OBE's and lucid dreaming are preceded by this semi-awake paralysis/fear/vibration experience. I am as skeptical as they come, but what i experienced could only be described as an out of body experience, however short-lived and hazy. Batfink, I am surprised you dismiss this so readily. How would you explain my experience? and what substances arent so weak? have you had experiences with MDMA use? or any other drugs?

[batfink010]

you seem very sure. the drug clearly has an effect on the brain to induce the paralysis experience. I have read in many places that reported OBE's and lucid dreaming are preceded by this semi-awake paralysis/fear/vibration experience. I am as skeptical as they come, but what i experienced could only be described as an out of body experience, however short-lived and hazy. Batfink, I am surprised you dismiss this so readily. How would you explain my experience? and what substances arent so weak? have you had experiences with MDMA use? or any other drugs?

I'm a spiritual person on a path to the light. I have tried most drugs, but only the hulucigens have prooved any worth to me. I used to experiment with MDMA with my brother, but nothing ever came of it and i used to take huge amounts. so sorry, but the truth can never lie. I'm on no drugs now apart from what i breath in the atmosphere. They are far more intoxicating than any drug available. so your experience holds no worth. Sorry again.

[al209]

again, dismissal without adequate explanation. kind of narrow minded for such a spiritual person. Just because mdma has had no effect for you does not mean it has none at all in any person. How would you explain my experience then, whatever its worth?

[batfink010]

again, dismissal without adequate explanation. kind of narrow minded for such a spiritual person. Just because mdma has had no effect for you does not mean it has none at all in any person. How would you explain my experience then, whatever its worth?

You had an experience that was caused by MDMA,yet it was not an OBE. The thing that let's people down is when it comes to an explanation of their experience. There are many people claiming to have had OBE's yet when I question them about them all they can give is what you would find in a book. The true travellers would be able to explain many other things that are never in the books. My purpose is to help people deal with spirituality and also to find people on the same path as I. So far I have found none, but my search continues.

If you want to have an OBE type experience and have access to drugs like ayahausca then you will have a little idea.

Try and get hold of this book DMT the spirit molecule by rick strassman.

I appologise if you take offence to my reply.

[al209]

im not offended, just frustrated by the out of hand dismissal when im trying to enter into a discussion in order to find some sort of explanation. That you are more spiritual than me is irrelevant. Everybodys journey starts somewhere.

Its my understanding that people often have experiences similar to mine without any form of drug use, or with other, albeit similar drugs such as amphetamine sulphate. way i see it is that the drugs are activating or unlocking parts of the 90% or whatever it is unused parts of the brain. Ayahuasca from what i read, is clearly a more potent and efficient tool for unlocking these parts of the brain, but its obviously a similar process. The likes of yogis etc have obviously trained their brain to an extent that drugs are not necessary.

I'm not really looking to repeat the experience, it scared the living shit out of me! I have however started to meditate using binaural beats as im now intrigued as to what the brain is capable of. I feel ive been shown the door, i just need help stepping through without that overwhelming fear.

Any pointers or constructive advice would be welcomed

[batfink010]

im not offended, just frustrated by the out of hand dismissal when im trying to enter into a discussion in order to find some sort of explanation. That you are more spiritual than me is irrelevant. Everybodys journey starts somewhere.

Its my understanding that people often have experiences similar to mine without any form of drug use, or with other, albeit similar drugs such as amphetamine sulphate. way i see it is that the drugs are activating or unlocking parts of the 90% or whatever it is unused parts of the brain. Ayahuasca from what i read, is clearly a more potent and efficient tool for unlocking these parts of the brain, but its obviously a similar process. The likes of yogis etc have obviously trained their brain to an extent that drugs are not necessary.

I'm not really looking to repeat the experience, it scared the living shit out of me! I have however started to meditate using binaural beats as im now intrigued as to what the brain is capable of. I feel ive been shown the door, i just need help stepping through without that overwhelming fear.

Any pointers or constructive advice would be welcomed

To get anywhere with meditation, one has to spend many hours a day to get results. Put the same effort into meditation as you would for learning a career and you will get somewhere. It will takes at least six months of hard work before your friends will notice anything differently about you.
I wish you well on the path to self discovery.
Good luck

Buddha bless you all

[godmind]

Budhha was a paeodafile.

[artsapart]

Hi artsapart, Thank you, but you still havn't answered all my questions. The ones that really matter. I patiently await your reply.

Buddha bless you all

Hi batfink, sorry that I haven’t been able to answer the questions that really matter to you more fully, to validate the fact that I might actually know what I am talking about or that i might of actually experienced the plane! With all of your enlightenment, I had thought that you might of been able to read between the lines! Just to clarify,…….. for me to describe my experiences further or to tell you intimate details of my own personal experiences and events of the astal would require that I actually new and trusted you as an individual and classed you as a friend.

I have no idea who, or indeed, what you are, so I am not about to tell you my most intimate secrets, and discuss at length my experiences, besides anything else I don’t have the time!

So, I am happy to live with the idea that you don’t think I have experienced the astral, it is no great shakes to me in the whole scheme of things, what you or others think. We all have different, experiences, interpretations and different ideas about stuff, have you ever heard the saying live and let live.

I thought that forums where a place where you could meet and discuss things that you may have a common interest in, not a battle ground of people having a pop and trying to be better than anyone else and belittling others own persoanl experiences......needless to say, this is the last post I will be placing in here.

Love and light to you batfink you tread your path and I will tread mine ......hey who knows I might even bump into you out there one night! Ciao:D

[batfink010]

Hi batfink, sorry that I haven’t been able to answer the questions that really matter to you more fully, to validate the fact that I might actually know what I am talking about or that i might of actually experienced the plane! With all of your enlightenment, I had thought that you might of been able to read between the lines! Just to clarify,…….. for me to describe my experiences further or to tell you intimate details of my own personal experiences and events of the astal would require that I actually new and trusted you as an individual and classed you as a friend.

I have no idea who, or indeed, what you are, so I am not about to tell you my most intimate secrets, and discuss at length my experiences, besides anything else I don’t have the time!

So, I am happy to live with the idea that you don’t think I have experienced the astral, it is no great shakes to me in the whole scheme of things, what you or others think. We all have different, experiences, interpretations and different ideas about stuff, have you ever heard the saying live and let live.

I thought that forums where a place where you could meet and discuss things that you may have a common interest in, not a battle ground of people having a pop and trying to be better than anyone else and belittling others own persoanl experiences......needless to say, this is the last post I will be placing in here.

Love and light to you batfink you tread your path and I will tread mine ......hey who knows I might even bump into you out there one night! Ciao:D

Hi Artsapart, all I ask for is what do you feel happening to your body prior to leaving it, but I don't ask for the information you would find from a book!!
I'm not interested in what you experience on the astral apart from how do you comunicate? I'm not having a dig at you and not in any way saying I'm better than you, but the fact remains. I know. I'm simply tyring to find people on the same path as I.

The only reason I came to these forums was because I've come to a mayjor obsticle in my spiritual progression and only a person that has got stuck or passed the point that I'm currently at can help me. The result here is that I can help anyone get to the point I have yet no further.

Your right in what you say about treading paths!! One can only tread their own path. I'm not intending to make this forum a battle ground. I can tell the truths and the lies. Just because I can see this does not mean I'm judging that person because what it tells me is there are many people that are interested in having OBE's or awakened states. Their interest may lead to a permanant practice like I carry out everyday.

I have no job except to say my job is devoted to spirituality in everyway with what I practice. It takes devotion of a great magnitude to have OBE's / awakened states. The thing that hurts ones ego the most is the truth, and people just don't like to hear it.

So If I never hear from you again then take peace with you where ever you go.

Buddha bless you all.

[al209]

I thought that forums where a place where you could meet and discuss things that you may have a common interest in, not a battle ground of people having a pop and trying to be better than anyone else and belittling others own persoanl experiences......
Hear Hear.

Batfink, no disrespect, but if you are as spiritually advanced as you claim, i would think it was your duty to help others. I would certainly feel that way if the shoe was on the other foot. I sincerely hope you find the help you need, but you are not the only one with questions...

peace

[batfink010]

Hear Hear.

Batfink, no disrespect, but if you are as spiritually advanced as you claim, i would think it was your duty to help others. I would certainly feel that way if the shoe was on the other foot. I sincerely hope you find the help you need, but you are not the only one with questions...

peace

Hi, the thing is, I am trying to help people, but a delusion of what people say and think is the astral is something far from the astral.

Send me a private message with what ones bodily sensations are, but not what is found in books, then I can help. I'm not trying to upset anyone and if you take offence then it's your own problem. You can't lie to me!!

I am helping people, yet they send me private messages and don't always post on here. True knowledge comes from that which is not spoken about.

I don't ask for anyone to believe anything I say. If you listen to your intuition then let that decide.

Buddha bless you all

[sub x]

Hey to all ;)

Firstly I want to say thank you to everybody that has contributed to this wonderful thread,some great tips and pointers indeed.Can't really share any advice as the one and only time I have experinced this was when I was a small child,as well as some other lets say difference stuff that happened when I was younger,sadly this stopped when I discovered the "puff,puff,pass" ;) ;)

I have read all 3 of Robert Monroe's books and although it is great to read about his own personal experinces in the Astral he offers very little advice on techniques and the Hemi-sync stuff is not cheap.

Looking forward to the continuing insights,thank's again ;)

[batfink010]

Hey to all ;)

Firstly I want to say thank you to everybody that has contributed to this wonderful thread,some great tips and pointers indeed.Can't really share any advice as the one and only time I have experinced this was when I was a small child,as well as some other lets say difference stuff that happened when I was younger,sadly this stopped when I discovered the "puff,puff,pass" ;) ;)

I have read all 3 of Robert Monroe's books and although it is great to read about his own personal experinces in the Astral he offers very little advice on techniques and the Hemi-sync stuff is not cheap.

Looking forward to the continuing insights,thank's again ;)


Warm greetings friend.

Firstly would just like to say leave the ganja alone, from research, have discovered oils from the drug become trapped in the brain, leading over time to paranoia. These oils cannot be removed. It's your choice and this is only advise, so make of it as you will.

As for the astral and Hemi-Sync, there is a way to get the gateway experience for free. I used the course when first starting out in meditation and it helpped so much in the first 6 months. It works, but one has to spend many hours with it at a time, also one requires a very good set of headphones. Mine went down to 8Hz. Remember this, crappy headphones give crappy results.

As for the course, which I have to say is illegal to download, so anyone reading this will know I have given warning, can download it using BIT TORRENT. Once you have bit torrent on your computer, just by going to a search engine to find it, one will also have to search for "The pirate bay" web page. the web page and bit torrent are used together. Just set up bit torrent to accept links in the settings.

Once you have setup the two, simply type in Hemi-Sync into the pirate bay search field and wahey, there you go, click on the link, which in this case will be the gateway experience, and it will appear in your bit torrent window. Job done.

Buddha bless you all.

[sub x]

Thanks for the warm welcome and advice Batfink ;)

Yes the ganja is my vice and a problem for achieving the desired results of which you speak.

Thinking about the poster that was talking about their experience with MDMA,I would tend to agree with Batfink in the most part though I did see Aura's on LSD one night which was a new one for me so I suppose its a case of different strokes for different folk's,everybody is different so in an infinite universe there are an infinite number of possibilities.

[mountain]

Hi Farros. To answer your question I will simply say this. I have witnessed many non-human creatures through an OBE or awakened state, whatever you would like to call it. Some meetings with these beings have been outright terrifying and some, I have remained calm. David Icke tells us that some of the people in his travels have witnessed a human form that transforms into a reptillian form, and then back again!! well I have also witnessed this transformation, but only through an altered state of consiousness.

All I say is this!! listen to what David Icke says because he is right. Process all his information and once you have learned what things you should stay clear of, stay clear of them, and finally let go of all you have learned, but not before you have passed his information on to as many people as you can.

David says infinite love is the only truth everything else is illusion. The only way one can truly love all, is to pursue the inward journey. Hate turns to love. Anger and fear turn to non anger and non fear. who can answer this?what is love? Emotions are a trap of the five senses that are caused by inbalances/chemical reactions of the brain. Stop the internal dialogue and your left with only one emotion, well there is two. You still feel fear untill one day when it is bannished forever!! I've not reached that stage yet, but my fear is forever receding. Love is the the only emotion, but here is a paradox, you have no emotions, one becomes free from them, so how can one express what love feels like!! I have no words to describe to you what it feels like except to say this. It is bigger than all of us. It's with you all the time and one expresses it silently/without thought in all directions, towards all things. I could express an unhappy face yet internally I would be radiating love. As the old saying goes,"don't judge a book by it's cover". It's a blissfull feeling yet i'm without words to describe bliss.

All people that take on the inward journey, I hope there will be millions, will come to the same conclusions as me. Words fail to express our true nature.
Think of nothing, and you become everything. one becomes detached from everything. The one that comes last, comes first. Thoughts and answers appear from non thought and the only way I can describe that is this. Move your arm up and down, and pay attention to your mind while doing this!! There is no thought, your not speaking with words to lift and lower your arm, it's all taking place in the area of non thought.

I'm here to help that's all. I want nothing from anyone. I already have everything I need and I have nothing. I'm content, are you?


Budda bless you all

Wow! This is somewhat how I feel!

[free_soul]

Whats a brainwave generator, if you don't mind me asking:confused:

Google i-doser (maybe spelt i - dosser)

also isohunt it and get the mp3

i find the obe one is awsome if you fall asleep about 20 mins in

medetating with theta wave is a good expierience too :)

[jayelowell]

this should help this thread out alot!!!

SPACE- Spiritual Organization from India has created Spiritual Reality-Journey Within and Sarrva-Unlimited in its Path to create unique SPACE, a Path wherein every one of Live a Life with Self, where only 'feel' exits.
SPACE is the place where every Space citizen live beyond Boundaries of man made boundaries like caste, creed, sex etc.,
That is the Space, Cosmos is working for!
Space is a Path.
It is here where nature is flowing. It is the place where every one is creative.
It is here every one will be blissful, harmonious at all times and given situations.
It is the Space where the destiny of the consciousness is fulfilled.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8159179343156674979&ei=0eDFSIjsBIrwrALyycW4BQ&q=bk+meditation

[lakkimakki]

Does anyone have any good advice on how to achieve astral projection, iv tried meditating and I always seem to fall asleep. Also would like to hear anyones storys of there OBEs....

o man try using --hemi sync-- i found it online and downloaded , but havnt got much time to listen .... its great stuff , or try using tattwa simbols for astral projection

http://www.geisterarchiv.de/vorschau/neu/tattwa.jpg

iv been practissing upon this simbol

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2383/lolsc0.th.png (http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolsc0.png)

i managed to detach for a short time , but usually im not able to control my hart beat and .... its great experience .... :)

if you want u book to astral projection pm me

astral projection is sp cool but im just beginner ... need to practise a lot...!!!

hami sinc also works great but you need a lotz of time to relax and stuff....

[delamo1999]

I was referred to this website by one of my YouTube friends. They have soundtracks that can help a person experience an Out of Body experience. I got one of their tracks (Dream Tunnel) and have found it to be very trippy.

http://stores.thetarealms.net/Detail.bok?no=19

Also they are on YouTube with this video as well as a few others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wSUnuq7HPM

:)

[delamo1999]

I steer clear of communicating with spirits. The masons and secret service people hang out in the astral.

Who wants to hear voices... next thing you'll kill your own mother or something.

No thanks.

For the most part I agree with you on this one. The lower 4th dimension also houses wayward spirits who have been known to cause all kinds of chaios.

:)

[qasrose]

Hi.
Go to this site www.mysticweb.org Full of great info.
They also do a free online course on astral projection and OBE's.

PEACE

Awesome site, I was on that when the site first started out, it's very good tutorials are awesome. well worth joining up...

I use a book 90 day astral projection course which teaches you how to relax the mind etc. and exit your body

[whiterain]

ahhhhh no one expects the astral inquisition!

[whiterain]

cheers guys good thread alot of good ideas and techniques. slowly slowly catchy monkey for me

[whiterain]

just got to add another thankyou as last night, after losing for a long time my ability to do more than just float around in dreams, i did a little meditation before bed and was soaring like a kite. its like being a kid again. such freedom and joy :D ok i never used to have to take a run up but its a start :D

[joeri]

I see people talking about brainwave generator and wanted to note that I started an alternative source for brainwave generator presets (since the official site is spammed to crap). I hope its alright if I mention the site here: http://www.brainwave-center.com

Its a pretty new website so dont expect a sh*tload of presets and stuff :)

[delamo1999]

I see people talking about brainwave generator and wanted to note that I started an alternative source for brainwave generator presets (since the official site is spammed to crap). I hope its alright if I mention the site here: http://www.brainwave-center.com

Its a pretty new website so dont expect a sh*tload of presets and stuff :)


When I tried to download the braingenerator, my computer said that it was sypware. Also they requested that I register it for money before I could use it.

Thanks for the link, but I am going to have to look for an alternative.

[joeri]

When I tried to download the braingenerator, my computer said that it was sypware. Also they requested that I register it for money before I could use it.

Thanks for the link, but I am going to have to look for an alternative.

They indeed ask to register, the feature to use custom presets requires that :(
There are ofcourse other sources where you 'buy' brainwave generator :D

[jahzel]

I recommend Robert Bruce's ASTRAL DYNAMICS - it's easy to read, easy to follow and bloody interesting.

I've had many conscious OBE experiences and it really changes the way you percieve the world in which we live in.

Got to here for more info:

http://www.astraldynamics.com/home-page/index.html


Also, you might want to check ot Robert's podcasts here:

http://blog.astraldynamics.com/

Side note: I plan to get one of those Q-Links soon, I heard how effective they are. I could use something like these because I havent been able to consciously project properly for some time now and it's incredibly frustrating to say the least.

;)

[whitenight639]

thanks for everyones input there is more and more good stuff and avenues to follow on this thread.

:)

[marpat]

How good would it be if lots of people learnd to astral travel. You could check out a lot of the conspiracy theories directly. You could fly to the poles to see if there was a hollow entrance, see what governments get up to in secret, etc.

[whitenight639]

How good would it be if lots of people learnd to astral travel. You could check out a lot of the conspiracy theories directly. You could fly to the poles to see if there was a hollow entrance, see what governments get up to in secret, etc.


yer and also you would know that mainstream religion has missed astral projection out and you VERY rarely here it mentioned on the TV so there be a (almost) proof of cover up.

[sade]

Last night after listening to some binaural beats, I got really tired and went immediately to bed. After being in bed for a while, I noticed that my heart was beating quite quickly, so I decided to start listening to my breath and slowing it down. I concentrated on the emotions/feelings of 'love' and 'protection' and after doing this for about 5-15minutes, my whole body started to shake internally. It's difficult to describe the feeling, even though I was constantly monitoring was what happening, but it was really an internal 'shake'/vibration that I felt inside my body. (never had this in my life before) It really felt like something was about to be released...

This lasted for 5-10minutes and my immediate thought was that I was entering a sleep-state but completely awake/conscious. The internal shaking/vibration became stronger as the time went by and the first thought that came to my mind of what was happening was: "Im preparing to leave my body." That's when an unconscious fear came in and even though I continued to concentrate on 'protection' and so on, I told myself in my head: "Leave only if you are ready." After saying that, the shaking/vibration started to slow down and after 5 minutes it stopped completely.

After this I tried to do the same thing again, but it didn't happen as strongly as the first time and I felt tired, so I couldn't concentrate.

Now Im wondering what exactly it was that happened last night.
Was I preparing to leave my body, or was it something else?
Whatever it was though, it was completely new and truth to be told...AWESOME.

[whitenight639]

Now Im wondering what exactly it was that happened last night.
Was I preparing to leave my body, or was it something else?
Whatever it was though, it was completely new and truth to be told...AWESOME.


glad your getting somewhere, i have just ordered a book from amazon called Astral Dynamics I donwloaded this book via bit torrent but can't read it on my Pc or PDA so have ordered a proper copy its very good i will do some of the excersices and post with my progress.

[astralwalker]

http://projectcamelot.org/extraordinary_powers_in_humans_ebook_by_pane_andov .pdf

You can find some useful info about astral projection...

[detroit313]

Astral projection is useless bullshit for ignorant people who look are looking for truth outside of themselves.

What a pity!

[jayelowell]

Astral projection is useless bullshit for ignorant people who look are looking for truth outside of themselves.

What a pity!What a foolish comment!:rolleyes:

[mahabaratara]

glad your getting somewhere, i have just ordered a book from amazon called Astral Dynamics I donwloaded this book via bit torrent but can't read it on my Pc or PDA so have ordered a proper copy its very good i will do some of the excersices and post with my progress.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/6376921/Astral-Dynamics-A-NEW-Approach-to-OutOfBody-Experiences

here you are.

[mahabaratara]

Astral projection is useless bullshit for ignorant people who look are looking for truth outside of themselves.

What a pity!

Be quiet and understand.

;)

[mahabaratara]

Last night after listening to some binaural beats, I got really tired and went immediately to bed. After being in bed for a while, I noticed that my heart was beating quite quickly, so I decided to start listening to my breath and slowing it down. I concentrated on the emotions/feelings of 'love' and 'protection' and after doing this for about 5-15minutes, my whole body started to shake internally. It's difficult to describe the feeling, even though I was constantly monitoring was what happening, but it was really an internal 'shake'/vibration that I felt inside my body. (never had this in my life before) It really felt like something was about to be released...

This lasted for 5-10minutes and my immediate thought was that I was entering a sleep-state but completely awake/conscious. The internal shaking/vibration became stronger as the time went by and the first thought that came to my mind of what was happening was: "Im preparing to leave my body." That's when an unconscious fear came in and even though I continued to concentrate on 'protection' and so on, I told myself in my head: "Leave only if you are ready." After saying that, the shaking/vibration started to slow down and after 5 minutes it stopped completely.

After this I tried to do the same thing again, but it didn't happen as strongly as the first time and I felt tired, so I couldn't concentrate.

Now Im wondering what exactly it was that happened last night.
Was I preparing to leave my body, or was it something else?
Whatever it was though, it was completely new and truth to be told...AWESOME.

Thank You for sharing.

Indeed you were preparing for your first conscious projection.I was there last July.

It indeed opens the mind to whole other vistas!

I am concentrating on grounding and centering first then I will try again later this year.

Only about an hour ago whilst relaxing after my usual meditation technique I started getting the "prickly" sensations again.

I then got body wide pins and needles and felt myself go heavy.

I now know its something I will in time be able to control.

My wish?

To be astrally projecting in 2012 and then fire my Kundalini up my silver cord!

LOL!

[whitenight639]

Last night after listening to some binaural beats, I got really tired and went immediately to bed. After being in bed for a while, I noticed that my heart was beating quite quickly, so I decided to start listening to my breath and slowing it down. I concentrated on the emotions/feelings of 'love' and 'protection' and after doing this for about 5-15minutes, my whole body started to shake internally. It's difficult to describe the feeling, even though I was constantly monitoring was what happening, but it was really an internal 'shake'/vibration that I felt inside my body. (never had this in my life before) It really felt like something was about to be released...

This lasted for 5-10minutes and my immediate thought was that I was entering a sleep-state but completely awake/conscious. The internal shaking/vibration became stronger as the time went by and the first thought that came to my mind of what was happening was: "Im preparing to leave my body." That's when an unconscious fear came in and even though I continued to concentrate on 'protection' and so on, I told myself in my head: "Leave only if you are ready." After saying that, the shaking/vibration started to slow down and after 5 minutes it stopped completely.

After this I tried to do the same thing again, but it didn't happen as strongly as the first time and I felt tired, so I couldn't concentrate.

Now Im wondering what exactly it was that happened last night.
Was I preparing to leave my body, or was it something else?
Whatever it was though, it was completely new and truth to be told...AWESOME.



hey peeps, i got this book and have been reading it when ive had time and trying some of the excersises when im not too tired! so not alot really but I had the same vibrating feeling as sade, It was not during an exercise though it was when i was asleep i was just waking up after a dream and remember feeling the intense vibration all through my body, ive never been awake when we've had earthquakes so thought it was one but this was faster and internal also have a racing heart, it was cool i also remember thinking im about to project and it scared me also and it stopped.

anyay i have started doing some of the energy raising techniques in the book properly and the other night after doing one i had a dream, (and i very rarely dream / remember my dreams) so this is a good sign.

also mahabaratara, i cnt wait to learn about this Kundalini energy thing, ive heard it mentioned around here and theres been abit about it in the book, sounds interessting..

[equinox]

I have enjoyed reading about peoples' experiences, I have always wanted to be able to astrally project, i nearly managed it once, (my leg was out) I used to get the vibrations in the solar plexus, numbness all over my body and hot and cold feelings, this scared me, this was years ago.

over the years I have bought various books and always given up, but yesterday i was on www.trufax.org and a book was recommended on there,
I had a look on amazon, and there were only 2 reviews which weren't brilliant, however I saw another one called ' A course in Astral Travel and Dreams' by this Beelzebub bloke, and saw it had 12 5 star reviews with all of them saying that they had been successful, some by 9-12 weeks, so I have bought it, so we'll see.

[pipsicle]

I get quite envious of people who say "I've been astral projecting for years' as if it were as simple as putting your boots on. I've gotten the vibrations just twice.

How do you get them regularly?

[lakkimakki]

I get quite envious of people who say "I've been astral projecting for years' as if it were as simple as putting your boots on. I've gotten the vibrations just twice.

How do you get them regularly?

get drunk

[pipsicle]

Is there anyone who will tak my question serously?

[jayelowell]

Is there anyone who will tak my question seriously?Practice!;) Go for a long drive or something. Write a long poem you should be able to shift your mind in no time! The results may be de-humanizing!

[whitenight639]

I I saw another one called ' A course in Astral Travel and Dreams' by this Beelzebub bloke, and saw it had 12 5 star reviews with all of them saying that they had been successful, some by 9-12 weeks, so I have bought it, so we'll see.


keep us posted with your progress and let us kno what the book is like. thanks.

[jahzel]

get drunk

..drunken OBEs are not recommended. It's difficult enough as it is maintaining control when you exit your physical body. Moving (i.e walking/\"going") somewhere makes you feel as though your legs are made of rubber. It's hard to stop being pullled back into your body as it's kind of like a magnetic pull, you do find yourself 'staggering'.

We have an OBE everytime we sleep at night, we just don't remember or make sense of it. A conscious OBE would mean you are fully aware of what's going on. Your ability to remember is impaired with drink.

[mahabaratara]

also mahabaratara, i cnt wait to learn about this Kundalini energy thing, ive heard it mentioned around here and theres been abit about it in the book, sounds interessting..

right here and right now I *know* that kundalini (she/female aspect) is absolutley fundamental.

read as much about it as you can and respect the power.

its brought gods to their knees.

;)

[mahabaratara]

drunken OBEs are not recommended

never.

[kie101]

You can get the feeling of vibrations of energy running up and down your body by using body awareness techniques ( NEW, new energy waves) My suggestion would be to get robert bruces book on "MASTERING ASTRAL PROJECTION IN 90 DAYS" with a little effort, it is a real easy simple and effective to use (well it was for me at least), i also didn't find it easy to do this at first but with abit of commitment it gets quite easy, anyone interested in astral projection should check it out.

[kingmob]

Kundalini is powerful, but not worth it at this point. Remember, that Kundalini makes you very fragile and susceptible, and takes years, sometimes decades to complete as a process. Depending on what you believe, there might be no time left for an awakening of a kundalini force and being able to harness its energy in time.

Look around, there are a few people here that shared their experiences on kundalini, and say what I stated above. There are other methods of achieving oneness that don't require the hardships that kundalini will bring and the time it takes to complete. I, myself was fascinated by the idea of waking the great serpent, but have given up on it after reading about it from a 1st person perspective.

[lakkimakki]

o yeah once i was by acupuncturist i told him about cold feeling i got , cold chills i got --that kind of stuff--) he told me thats chi.

im able to control my chi. i can feel it flow through my body

is chi same as kundalini ?:)

whats chi or kundalini good for ?

[lakkimakki]

also i fouind this

What is the difference between prana and kundalini? What is the difference between qi (or chi) and kundalini?

First let us try to relate to concepts from the same tradition - prana and kundalini. Prana has been translated as the ``vital breath'' and ``bio-energetic motility''; it is associated with maintaining the functioning of the mind and body. Kundalini, in its form as prana-kundalini, is identical to prana ; however, Kundalini also has a manifestations as consciousness and a as a unifying cosmic energy. One could ascribe these same aspects to prana as well so past a certain point these become distinctions without differences.

From the subjective standpoint of an individual actually experiencing the awakening of kundalini I have found three completely different opinions:
The first opinion is that a pranic awakening is only a prelude to a full kundalini awakening. Tibetan yogins that I have encountered consider the activation of prana (Tibetan: rlung) as merely a prerequisite for the activation of kundalini (Tibetan: gTummo). What's attractive about this viewpoint is that it explains the difference between the experience of simply having pleasant sensations in the spine and the much more powerful experience of having a ``freight-train''-like full kundalini experience.
The second opinion, espoused by Swami Shivom Tirth for example, is that prana and kundalini are absolutely equivalent and that it is not meaningful in any way to describe a difference between kundalini rising and prana rising. When posed with question as to how to distinguish between pleasant sensations that show some pranic-activity in the spine and the much more powerful experience Swami Shivom Tirth said that the difference is not in the nature of the activity but in the consciousness that observes it. If the consciousness that experiences the pranic activity is seated within the spine (or more correctly, the central channel, known as the sushumna), then the experience is felt much more powerfully.
The third opinion, espoused by the modern hatha yogin, Desikaran, is that pranic awakening is the true experience to be aimed for and kundalini is actually an obstruction. Desikaran sees the kundalini as a block in the central channel and thus the kundalini must be ``killed'' to make way for the prana. This is the most unusual view of the three.

The Chinese concept of qi (or chi) can be safely identified with the Indian concept of prana.

If all this seems confusing - don't worry, you're in good company. My conclusion is that these are all different terminologies for dealing with a common set of experiences. Any one of these viewpoints is adequate for describing the full range of experiences. What is probably more relevant is to distinguish two different experiences which are often confused. In one an individual experiences some pleasant energizing electric energy running along the spine. This experience itself brings about a wide range of experiences and results in vitality and sensitivity. Another very distinct experience is the experience of kundalini entering the sushumna and rising up the spine. As soon as kundalini enters the sushumna this experience will completely overwhelm ordinary waking consciousness. From the moment that kundalini enters the sushumna there will no longer be a distrinction between the subjective consciousness which experiences and the object of experience. This experience much more profoundly transfigures consciousness.

[pipsicle]

We have an OBE everytime we sleep at night, we just don't remember or make sense of it. A conscious OBE would mean you are fully aware of what's going on. Your ability to remember is impaired with drink.

This I don't understand... I've been so fixated on astral prjection lately that I've been dreaming I'm floating up to the top of my room, but when I look down at my bed my body isn't there. I also fail to meet other "astral beings". If it were a genuine OBE, would you not meet other astral travellers?

[geewhizz]

This I don't understand... I've been so fixated on astral prjection lately that I've been dreaming I'm floating up to the top of my room, but when I look down at my bed my body isn't there. I also fail to meet other "astral beings". If it were a genuine OBE, would you not meet other astral travellers?

You don't always see your body during an OOB state,this is a myth. It sounds to me that you have had a RTZ projection and No, you don't always see other projectors and no, you were not in the Astral realm proper.

[jahzel]

This I don't understand... I've been so fixated on astral prjection lately that I've been dreaming I'm floating up to the top of my room, but when I look down at my bed my body isn't there. I also fail to meet other "astral beings". If it were a genuine OBE, would you not meet other astral travellers?

It depends, I mean I never actually saw my physical body when I experimented with OBEs. You tend to just get an impression that it's there. You can quite often feel it pulling you back towards it. Some people see it clearly. It seems to be the case that your physical body shows up only if you think it will, much like the famous 'silver cord'. If you look for it, you'll find it. If you don't, you won't see it.

As for other Astral Beings, they are out there. You can arrange to meet another Astral traveller, it's all about 'will' and intent. You can bump into or see other astral dwellers if you explore the astral space. I have seen victorian type people out in the astral realm when I flew down my street, everything appeared as though in the past. These are real beings that inhabit the 'over-lapped' world.

[pipsicle]

You don't always see your body during an OOB state,this is a myth. It sounds to me that you have had a RTZ projection and No, you don't always see other projectors and no, you were not in the Astral realm proper.

What's an RTZ projection? What is the difference between this and the proper astral realm?

[geewhizz]

What's an RTZ projection? What is the difference between this and the proper astral realm?

RTZ = Real Time zone. This is a mirror of the Physical dimension. Some call it the Lower 4th but its not actually.

Astral = Higher vibrating dimensions than the RTZ etc etc. Many, many different dimensions in the Astral..Infinite probably.

[mahabaratara]

Kundalini is powerful, but not worth it at this point. Remember, that Kundalini makes you very fragile and susceptible, and takes years, sometimes decades to complete as a process. Depending on what you believe, there might be no time left for an awakening of a kundalini force and being able to harness its energy in time.

Look around, there are a few people here that shared their experiences on kundalini, and say what I stated above. There are other methods of achieving oneness that don't require the hardships that kundalini will bring and the time it takes to complete. I, myself was fascinated by the idea of waking the great serpent, but have given up on it after reading about it from a 1st person perspective.

I would posture it would be worth the pain.

Look around it cant get any worse.

Decades?

Dont care it may take lifetimes.

So be it.

[pipsicle]

RTZ = Real Time zone. This is a mirror of the Physical dimension. Some call it the Lower 4th but its not actually.

Astral = Higher vibrating dimensions than the RTZ etc etc. Many, many different dimensions in the Astral..Infinite probably.


The weird thing is at first, I thought "yippee, an OBE" and I thought I'd be going places. But I actually went to a lonely, corridor with a very high ceiling and locked doors. It was a metaphor for my failure to break through to the astral realm proper IMO.

Have gotten the vibrations just twice... both times were in a foreign country high in the hills. I think this location was more "alive" with electro-chemical energy (it has seen a couple of hurricanes and tropical storms in the past). It felt like there was a whole ocean flowing through me.

[geewhizz]

The weird thing is at first, I thought "yippee, an OBE" and I thought I'd be going places. But I actually went to a lonely, corridor with a very high ceiling and locked doors. It was a metaphor for my failure to break through to the astral realm proper IMO.

Have gotten the vibrations just twice... both times were in a foreign country high in the hills. I think this location was more "alive" with electro-chemical energy (it has seen a couple of hurricanes and tropical storms in the past). It felt like there was a whole ocean flowing through me.

OBEs are OBEs its just your mind set before and after projection. If you desperately want to go to the Astral Planes, you will eventually. keep it up.

Most importantly, lose ALL fear or you might as well forget it.

[pipsicle]

OBEs are OBEs its just your mind set before and after projection. If you desperately want to go to the Astral Planes, you will eventually. keep it up.

Most importantly, lose ALL fear or you might as well forget it.

What are the Astral Planes like? Is it true you can go anywhere you want in this world as well?

[lakkimakki]

What are the Astral Planes like? Is it true you can go anywhere you want in this world as well?

http://uploading.com/files/J9VCQPRT/obe.rar.html

[geewhizz]

What are the Astral Planes like? Is it true you can go anywhere you want in this world as well?

Its hard to explain because of your view on the whole Astral/OBE subject. The Astral Planes are NOTHING like the Physical world But the RTZ is. You can go anywhere in the RTZ universe including other Planets/Galaxies etc etc.

The Astral Planes are just Consciousness based thought realities (as is the PHysical realm,RTZ but vibrate slower) on a very subtle level.

You can create whatever you want to see in the Astral, thats why you MUST go on face value and NOT with any pre-judged ideas.

[jahzel]

That's right - The astral planes are far more fluid than the physical plane (3rd dimesnion). They appear pretty much as you want them to. The physical plane is fluid to the extent that we can actually manifest reality. What I noticed is that the RTZ will resemble the physical plane minus things that havent had the time to manifest. For example, if you have a new desk in your bedroom it wont show up in the RTZ because it hasnt had time to manifest itself in the other dimensions. It's kind of like a ripple effect, the ripples extend outwards. A lot of people find themselves looking at furniture that they do not own - probably from past occupiers of their household.

The key is AFFIRMATION: "I am, I will, I can.". It kind of begs the question: what on earth is going on? LOl.

There are no limitations on what you can do or where you can go. The only limit is your own strength of will and capability. You tend to find that the OBE seems to last only as long as you stay 'awake' in these realms. I used to lose a lot of energy, feeling drowsy. This ultimately pulled me back to my body.

Experienced astral travellers recommend you only try short projections to begin with, i.e. practice the body seperation sequence and re-entry. The more you do this the easier it is and the stronger you become.

I'm no expert on this, I've just had conscious OBE experiences in the past - the realization that you can exit your body at will is just mind blowing - I've never felt so good in all my life.

When you re-enter your body you tend to feel exhilerated and refreshed all your stresses and worries seem to disappear completely like you've just gone through a filter - that's why I fully recommend it.

P.s. if there are any spelling errors, appologies, I'm rushing and I cant be bothered to check lol.

[geewhizz]

That's right - The astral planes are far more fluid than the physical plane (3rd dimesnion). They appear pretty much as you want them to. The physical plane is fluid to the extent that we can actually manifest reality. What I noticed is that the RTZ will resemble the physical plane minus things that havent had the time to manifest. For example, if you have a new desk in your bedroom it wont show up in the RTZ because it hasnt had time to manifest itself in the other dimensions. It's kind of like a ripple effect, the ripples extend outwards. A lot of people find themselves looking at furniture that they do not own - probably from past occupiers of their household.

The key is AFFIRMATION: "I am, I will, I can.". It kind of begs the question: what on earth is going on? LOl.

There are no limitations on what you can do or where you can go. The only limit is your own strength of will and capability. You tend to find that the OBE seems to last only as long as you stay 'awake' in these realms. I used to lose a lot of energy, feeling drowsy. This ultimately pulled me back to my body.

Experienced astral travellers recommend you only try short projections to begin with, i.e. practice the body seperation sequence and re-entry. The more you do this the easier it is and the stronger you become.

I'm no expert on this, I've just had conscious OBE experiences in the past - the realization that you can exit your body at will is just mind blowing - I've never felt so good in all my life.

When you re-enter your body you tend to feel exhilerated and refreshed all your stresses and worries seem to disappear completely like you've just gone through a filter - that's why I fully recommend it.

P.s. if there are any spelling errors, appologies, I'm rushing and I cant be bothered to check lol.


Good post J, The thing about new furniture etc is correct in a way. The RTZ is full of 'reality fluctuations' caused by the downloading of consciousness into the ethereal body. So many things can become 'different'. You sometimes see windows and doorways in wrong places etc.

Robert Bruce in Astral Dynamics mentions all of this.

[pipsicle]

That's right - The astral planes are far more fluid than the physical plane (3rd dimesnion). They appear pretty much as you want them to. The physical plane is fluid to the extent that we can actually manifest reality. What I noticed is that the RTZ will resemble the physical plane minus things that havent had the time to manifest. For example, if you have a new desk in your bedroom it wont show up in the RTZ because it hasnt had time to manifest itself in the other dimensions. It's kind of like a ripple effect, the ripples extend outwards. A lot of people find themselves looking at furniture that they do not own - probably from past occupiers of their household.



The thing that confused me about the RTZ was I got stuck in two different places. I thought "this is silly, I should be able to go where I want". Was my mind confining me, or was I just not trying hard enough?

Would it be possible, say, to go visit my relatives in the RTZ? And if so, would one meet them in physical form, or in form they had manifested in a dream state?

[jahzel]

If you command yourself to visit relatives, you'll find yourself immediately taken to them.

It's all about pushing yourself. Go take a running leap through your bedroom window (whilst out your body ofcourse, lol!) and fly around your neighbourhood. That's one step beyond..

[pipsicle]

If you command yourself to visit relatives, you'll find yourself immediately taken to them.

It's all about pushing yourself. Go take a running leap through your bedroom window (whilst out your body ofcourse, lol!) and fly around your neighbourhood. That's one step beyond..

I had another RTZ last night. I wasn't in the mood and quite frankly thought
'ah crap no again' as my soul surged upward and started rising.

I was really hoping to go up and out of the house. Instead my soul froze and then dropped through several flaws before I landed in a dingy basement.

Is there a way I can make them more positive? I have tried willing buyt my unconscious doen't seem to be listening.

[jahzel]

It's all about practice mate. It's a good idea to have some kind of plan before you exit your body. Keep reassuring yourself that you will exit your body and leave your house to explore the outside world.

[whitenight639]

I had another RTZ last night. I wasn't in the mood and quite frankly thought
'ah crap no again' as my soul surged upward and started rising.

I was really hoping to go up and out of the house. Instead my soul froze and then dropped through several flaws before I landed in a dingy basement.

Is there a way I can make them more positive? I have tried willing buyt my unconscious doen't seem to be listening.


whats with the ah crap not again attitude it should be great fun!. In one of the books i read theres an affirmation u use when your out of your body if you can't move very far (or are falling throught floors) apparently when some people project there energy bodies are weak, so you have to say awareness now, energy now or something and your energy body will pull more energy in and you will be able to move etc. try that.

[jahzel]

whats with the ah crap not again attitude it should be great fun!. In one of the books i read theres an affirmation u use when your out of your body if you can't move very far (or are falling throught floors) apparently when some people project there energy bodies are weak, so you have to say awareness now, energy now or something and your energy body will pull more energy in and you will be able to move etc. try that.

Yes, this method should work - if not, you need to practice the energy body seperation proceedure in short 'bursts'. When you exit, purposely re-enter again. The more you do this the easier it is to maintain awareness.

[lakkimakki]

e jahzel what technique do you use to exit !! ?

write it down so we can all Practise or Practice.

[pipsicle]

I had another RTZ last night. I wasn't in the mood and quite frankly thought
'ah crap no again' as my soul surged upward and started rising.

I was really hoping to go up and out of the house. Instead my soul froze and then dropped through several flaws before I landed in a dingy basement.

Is there a way I can make them more positive? I have tried willing buyt my unconscious doen't seem to be listening.

"Floors"... even.

[mauviene]

To any successful projectors: how long did it take you to get over your initial fear, and how long did it take you to then actually "jump out" of your body.

[jahzel]

Everyone uses there own technique that works for them to achieve an OBE. There's no real 'one solution'. It's been a long while since I've had an OBE and to be honest, I can't seem to have them anymore. :rolleyes:

You get over the fear pretty much as soon as you separate from your physical body. The only frightening part is the 'vibrations'. They can be quite scary for the first time projector as they will not know what's going on. You often hear strange noises and feel the presence of others in the room with you when this takes place. A lot of the time projections are unsuccessful because people become too afraid and abort the projection.

I didn't jump but I rolled out of my body the second time I had a full-on OBE. I was amazed at how easy it felt to do this. I rolled from side to side during the separation process and found that I was building up a momentum. I was then able to literally roll out of my self like I was getting up out of bed.

I have also had a spontaneous OBE where I had no control. I was literally forced upwards out of my body and sent hurtling into space at a great speed. I got far enough to look down and see the earth. It was incredible. I was then falling all the way back at ridiculous speed. You could even feel the g-force sensations.

[whiteshadow]

Hi,
for those who are practiced and can control the process of going out of body.
I'd like to ask, what bodily position are you in, and is position of your body important?

When I am lying on my back I fall asleep and snore easily - I then get shoved by my wife to roll over :)
With a young family I never get the time to myself to lay down in a room and focus on projection, so I have have just started doing it at night when I have gone to bed, maintaining my awareness 'mind awake, body asleep'.

So, from your own experiences is the position of your physical body important in achievin an Out of Body state?

[jahzel]

Hi,
for those who are practiced and can control the process of going out of body.
I'd like to ask, what bodily position are you in, and is position of your body important?

When I am lying on my back I fall asleep and snore easily - I then get shoved by my wife to roll over :)
With a young family I never get the time to myself to lay down in a room and focus on projection, so I have have just started doing it at night when I have gone to bed, maintaining my awareness 'mind awake, body asleep'.

So, from your own experiences is the position of your physical body important in achievin an Out of Body state?

Normally the on-back position is more effective because you tend to fall asleep easily on your side. That's not for everyone's case as I'm sure. Another effective way is a reclined position. Try using the mind awake body asleep process whilst seated/reclined in a comfortable chair, sofa etc. (Ideally away from any distractions) The results are apparently quite successful, although there's not much in the way of comfortable seating in my house so I haven't tried it.

[whiteshadow]

Normally the on-back position is more effective because you tend to fall asleep easily on your side. That's not for everyone's case as I'm sure. Another effective way is a reclined position. Try using the mind awake body asleep process whilst seated/reclined in a comfortable chair, sofa etc. (Ideally away from any distractions) The results are apparently quite successful, although there's not much in the way of comfortable seating in my house so I haven't tried it.

Thanks for the info. Have got a recliner chair so will try this. I fell asleep laying on my side in bed last night within about 2 minutes, despite trying to stay awake!

Have had a couple of experiences over the years of either projection or LDing, not sure which but they were entirely by chance I think.

Also I remember once a few years back I was lying in bed and became aware of an intense vibration in the centre of my forehead, like it was buzzing very fast. I remember thinking if this carries on then something is going to happen. and then fear kicked it in and stopped.
Fear of the unknown I suppose.

Anyway, happy travelling :)

[barbitone]

I almost left my body again a few days ago. I get there very easily when I am exhausted physically but still aware mentally. Once my body relaxes enough it "switches off" and I can become aware of the room around at the same time as being "asleep". I tried to get up but was only moving what I imagine is my energy body. You get lot's of wierd vibrations, particularly in my hands I remember, and colors starting to appear around the outside of my vision. I always chicken out though and I just relax and intend to come back and before long I am able to move again.

I have been close to projection many times but so far have never gone all the way.

[whitenight639]

im just gonna bump this thread cos its fallen into oblivion and it has some great resources in here by you guys.