Breaking the eggshell of fear

[Anders Lindman]

David Icke's description of the eggshell of fear is very accurate I think. This eggshell is an IMMENSE thing.

The trick of breaking through the eggshell is by understanding it. That understanding can then be used as a laser sword to cut through the seemingly impenetrable prison wall of fear. http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/j/jedi.gif

The understanding needed is this: (1) the past is 100% certain, and (2) the future is 100% uncertain. Fear is simply the misperception of this fact.

[Anders Lindman]

I think I'm on to something here. Let's elaborate the thesis a bit:

The past is 100% certain. That is possibly a valid claim. We cannot change the past as far as we know.

The future is a bit more of a tricky issue. There are essentially two kinds of futures: (I) the future that we THINK is the future, and (II) the ACTUAL future. The future we think about is a result of extrapolating memories, and that kind of future we can predict probabilities for. For example, we can predict with great certainty that the sun will continue to shine tomorrow. Yet, these kinds of extrapolations from past experiences are not the ACTUAL future.

The actual future we actual-ly don't know. Some people may claim to be able to look into the actual future, but even that is uncertain since we can never be sure about whether the prediction or psychic vision will come true or not. We really can't.

This means that the actual future is 100% uncertain. At first this may seem like a gloomy observation, but it also means that the actual future is potentially infinite possibilities.

Compare this with quantum mechanics. Before the collapse of the quantum wave function, the state of even a single particle is uncertain, but once the collapse has occurred, the state of the particle is determined.

Now, let's look at fear. Is it possible to be afraid of the unknown? Well, not really. If something is REALLY unknown, then there is not even something there in our awareness for us to be afraid of. We can only be afraid of something known.

But what about uncertainty? We are often afraid of the uncertain. Precisely. That's the error we make. Only when we are 100% certain can fear be removed if we are afraid of the uncertain. Is it possible to be afraid of something that is 100% uncertain? That's something to look into.

[infinitely free]

David Icke's description of the eggshell of fear is very accurate I think. This eggshell is an IMMENSE thing.




FEAR IS the main factor, thatr keeps us, in the Matrix of Illusion ;)

[danceswithbunnies]

The whole universe is the shell of fear..

perfect love casts out fear..

as Icke put it
"Infinite love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion"


It is a distinct possibility that the universe you see is the collective unconscious projected by the mind, and that your body is your subconscious mind..

I also believe Icke was correct about the Time Loop

So within permutations everything is predetermined except choosing to wake up..

How do you do that?

Since perfect love casts out fear...because in fact love is the opposite of fear, you do that with LOVE.
Yup, it is that simple.

But with most things that seem simple the application is the difficult part.

[infinitely free]

The whole universe is the shell of fear..

perfect love casts out fear..

as Icke put it
"Infinite love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion"


It is a distinct possibility that the universe you see is the collective unconscious projected by the mind, and that your body is your subconscious mind..

I also believe Icke was correct about the Time Loop

So within permutations everything is predetermined except choosing to wake up..

How do you do that?

Since perfect love casts out fear...because in fact love is the opposite of fear, you do that with LOVE.
Yup, it is that simple.

But with most things that seem simple the application is the difficult part.

I have to say that I quite agree with what you've said!
I have experienced that, myself.
I've seen the illusion, for it is - illusion! I have experienced Infinity - the ultimate Oneness.

It has, however, proved even more difficult, to stay, out of the matrix, or to be perpetually aware of my Infinite Potential

[danceswithbunnies]

I have to say that I quite agree with what you've said!
I have experienced that, myself.
I've seen the illusion, for it is - illusion! I have experienced Infinity - the ultimate Oneness.

It has, however, proved even more difficult, to stay, out of the matrix, or to be perpetually aware of my Infinite Potential


Wow, you are not alone there.
I had one experience of Oneness and it was amazing...i was in love with everything and everybody.

It is really difficult to stay free because it is difficult to keep your thoughts under control and observation on a continuous basis...they just bubble up, non-stop..
What you can try to do is realize that most of these thoughts are probably not even yours...and don't mean anything.

Fear can keep you trapped..i am only starting to get free, and i can tell you it is mindboggling how much fear and loathing are in the thoughts, that most people are not even aware of.

[Anders Lindman]

The whole universe is the shell of fear..

perfect love casts out fear..

as Icke put it
"Infinite love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion"


It is a distinct possibility that the universe you see is the collective unconscious projected by the mind, and that your body is your subconscious mind..

I also believe Icke was correct about the Time Loop

So within permutations everything is predetermined except choosing to wake up..

How do you do that?

Since perfect love casts out fear...because in fact love is the opposite of fear, you do that with LOVE.
Yup, it is that simple.

But with most things that seem simple the application is the difficult part.

I would say that NOTHING is predetermined. Because when we say that something is predetermined, then it implies something fixed, static. Only the past is fixed, static. The future is 100% uncertain.

Furthermore, the idea that the future is predetermined, is merely the first kind of future, the future that we THINK about, not the ACTUAL future.

[danceswithbunnies]

I would say that NOTHING is predetermined. Because when we say that something is predetermined, then it implies something fixed, static. Only the past is fixed, static. The future is 100% uncertain.

Furthermore, the idea that the future is predetermined, is merely the first kind of future, the future that we THINK about, not the ACTUAL future.

(hi Anders it is me Bunnydancer.)
That is because you are taking time from your perspective as a given...
I believe the future has already happened....many many times.

There are two views of physics that need to be annealed to get to unified field theory...(and i used to be so caught up in this baloney to the point of going to grad school in it)
Theory of the very small- quantum is probablistic, theory of the very large(non-local)-gravitation is deterministic.
You can have set determinism in the non-local (at large) while having a probablistic fluctuations in the local (small).

A time loop where we replay the same loop over and over with perhaps different choices being figured into it is plausible...every discretized moment can be reduced to a set of finite choices...those can be further reduced to yes/no which is binary...and no matter how big the set of all those choices for all the people who have ever lived,for all time to this date, it is still not an infinite set.

I take time to be discretized because the moments you make a decision would be...we are not really certain whether time itself is in actuality discrete or continuous..

[infinitely free]

That is because you are taking time from your pe spective as a given...
I believe the future has already happened....many many times.

There are two views of physics that need to be annealed to get to unified field theory...(and i used to be so caught up in this baloney to the point of going to grad school in it)
Theory of the very small- quantum is probablistic, theory of the very large(non-local)-gravitation is deterministic.
You can have set determinism in the non-local (at large) while having a probablistic fluctuations in the local (small).

A time loop where we replay the same loop over and over with perhaps different choices being figured into it is plausible...every discretized moment can be reduced to a set of finite choices...those can be further reduced to yes/no which is binary...and no matter how big the set of all those choices for all the people who have ever lived,for all time to this date, it is still not an infinite set.

I take time to be discretized because the moments you make a decision would be...we are not really certain whether time itself is in actuality discrete or continuous..

(hi Anders it is me Bunnydancer.)

lol, I remember you, from 'The Forum'! How you doin!?

would say that NOTHING is predetermined. Because when we say that something is predetermined, then it implies something fixed, static. Only the past is fixed, static.

I personally believe that, just as the present 'reality', is illusury (The Matrix), so is past and future.

Hence, it is all happening simultaneously! We only (subconsciously - for now) choose, which to 'experience'
Hence, we can preditermine our future!

[trinity1]

Breaking the eggshell of fear will occur only when it is realised that the shell, the fear and the observer of these are one and the same thing.

[infinitely free]

Breaking the eggshell of fear will occur only when it is realised that the shell, the fear and the observer of these are one and the same thing.

True!

As David put it - we should be 'combing' ourselves, and not the 'mirror'!

[Anders Lindman]

(hi Anders it is me Bunnydancer.)
That is because you are taking time from your perspective as a given...
I believe the future has already happened....many many times.

There are two views of physics that need to be annealed to get to unified field theory...(and i used to be so caught up in this baloney to the point of going to grad school in it)
Theory of the very small- quantum is probablistic, theory of the very large(non-local)-gravitation is deterministic.
You can have set determinism in the non-local (at large) while having a probablistic fluctuations in the local (small).

A time loop where we replay the same loop over and over with perhaps different choices being figured into it is plausible...every discretized moment can be reduced to a set of finite choices...those can be further reduced to yes/no which is binary...and no matter how big the set of all those choices for all the people who have ever lived,for all time to this date, it is still not an infinite set.

I take time to be discretized because the moments you make a decision would be...we are not really certain whether time itself is in actuality discrete or continuous..

Hi there Bunny! Interesting observations. Especially that about certainty in the macro vs uncertainty in the micro.

I would like to add the idea that the information in reality ALWAYS INCREASES. This means that the future is always new and has NEVER happened before.

We can look at this newness aspect of reality this way: something that is not new is static. Something static is fixed, and can NEVER move, can never be the same as the living universe we see around us.

[Anders Lindman]

I personally believe that, just as the present 'reality', is illusury (The Matrix), so is past and future.

Hence, it is all happening simultaneously! We only (subconsciously - for now) choose, which to 'experience'
Hence, we can preditermine our future!

I would like to call fear a misperception rather than an illusion, or even better: fear is needed to set limits. The more we grow out of the fear, the more power we will have over our lives. Fear is the dirty soil from which love flowers. Without dirt/fear, no flowering, but we are not meant to stay in the dirt/fear.

[infinitely free]

I would like to call fear a misperception rather than an illusion, or even better: fear is needed to set limits. The more we grow out of the fear, the more power we will have over our lives. Fear is the dirty soil from which love flowers. Without dirt/fear, no flowering, but we are not meant to stay in the dirt/fear.

Well,
I personally think, or rather feel, that I am now free of Fear.

(I don't need fear, to move on, if this is what you mean)

[Anders Lindman]

Breaking the eggshell of fear will occur only when it is realised that the shell, the fear and the observer of these are one and the same thing.

Yes, somehow the eggshell of fear is a part of oneself. There's a LOT of trapped energy in the eggshell. The question is how to free that energy. If the eggshell is the same as the observer, and that could very well be the case, then how to break free from the observer? The observer and 'me' are the same thing. The me cannot break out of the me.

Maybe it can be realized that the 'me' is 100% certain. We usually see ourselves as very uncertain. That is perhaps a misperception.

[infinitely free]

The me cannot break out of the me.

.


What do you say about looking at it that way - all source of fear is Illusion! We've only got to realize, the Illusion :D

[Anders Lindman]

Well,
I personally think, or rather feel, that I am now free of Fear.

(I don't need fear, to move on, if this is what you mean)

I think it's possible to be free from fear on different levels. However, the total eggshell of fear is ENORMOUS, with incredible depth and heaviness. For example, I often experience my life as a heavy burden. That is the eggshell in action I believe. The eggshell is ALL the suffering a person experiences on all levels; the mental, emotional and physical level, and possibly even more levels.

[infinitely free]

I think it's possible to be free from fear on different levels. However, the total eggshell of fear is ENORMOUS, .

Well... yeah, you re right actually :rolleyes:

[Anders Lindman]

What do you say about looking at it that way - all source of fear is Illusion! We've only got to realize, the Illusion :D

That's a start, but as Bruce Lipton says, rational understanding is only the surface and below is the immensity of the subconscious.

The eggshell of fear is not all bad. Just as for a chicken growing inside its eggshell, the eggshell is a protection, but it comes a time when the chicken is fully grown and then the eggshell becomes a prison that is no longer needed.

[Anders Lindman]

What is needed for the mind to be free of fear is that it is (a) 100% certain AND (b) 100% secure. There may be other criteria that also will make the mind free from fear, but these two requirements are one way of liberating the mind.

It's the self that needs to be 100% certain and 100% secure. What happens outside the self must NOT be certain nor secure. It's like when playing a video game. You are then certain and secure in that you will not be harmed even if the car you drive in the video game is smashed to pieces.

The future is "just" a perception in the mind. A very, very big perception, but just a perception nevertheless. Change the perception and your future will actually, FACTUALLY change, for your future IS a perception; YOUR perception.

[danceswithbunnies]

Hi there Bunny! Interesting observations. Especially that about certainty in the macro vs uncertainty in the micro.

I would like to add the idea that the information in reality ALWAYS INCREASES. This means that the future is always new and has NEVER happened before.

We can look at this newness aspect of reality this way: something that is not new is static. Something static is fixed, and can NEVER move, can never be the same as the living universe we see around us.


Hey there Anders..

Ever hear that zero times something is still zero?
This reality literally is a dream...it is in the collective unconscious.
Think a second..remember the "Row Row Row your boat" song?
There are alusions to it everywhere.

I recall about seven years ago, i dreamt i was at a university, and a little girl was handing out fliers..(the dream sequences before it were pretty whacked out, covens of witches in predawn glens around bonfires..demons battering my cottages doors down)..
I looked the little girl in the eye and said..."Everyone in my dream is me, isn't it?"..
She said," yes and if you think that is scary then guess what?"..
I woke up screaming..she was about to tell me everyone in waking life was me too.

Might i suggest that it is only new to that localized fragment of what appears to be you that believes things are new and you are pretending/allowing that your awareness is trapped in a field of consciousness?

[Anders Lindman]

Hey there Anders..

Ever hear that zero times something is still zero?
This reality literally is a dream...it is in the collective unconscious.
Think a second..remember the "Row Row Row your boat" song?
There are alusions to it everywhere.

I recall about seven years ago, i dreamt i was at a university, and a little girl was handing out fliers..(the dream sequences before it were pretty whacked out, covens of witches in predawn glens around bonfires..demons battering my cottages doors down)..
I looked the little girl in the eye and said..."Everyone in my dream is me, isn't it?"..
She said," yes and if you think that is scary then guess what?"..
I woke up screaming..she was about to tell me everyone in waking life was me too.

Might i suggest that it is only new to that localized fragment of what appears to be you that believes things are new and you are pretending/allowing that your awareness is trapped in a field of consciousness?

The trap is probably the eggshell of fear. It's very interesting to see if that eggshell can be broken. And I even believe the eggshell is MEANT to be broken.

As Ken Wilber said, since we can intuit a greater freedom it means that such freedom exists.

I can see in myself that my intelligence is very limited, but that observation itself must come from a higher form of understanding, outside but not separate from the eggshell. This means that there must exist a potential for becoming more than a fearful fragment called 'me', and probably the whole of humanity has the potential for breaking out of the MESS we are in right now, and have been trapped in since the dawn of humankind.

[danceswithbunnies]

The trap is probably the eggshell of fear. It's very interesting to see if that eggshell can be broken. And I even believe the eggshell is MEANT to be broken.

As Ken Wilber said, since we can intuit a greater freedom it means that such freedom exists.

I can see in myself that my intelligence is very limited, but that observation itself must come from a higher form of understanding, outside but not separate from the eggshell. This means that there must exist a potential for becoming more than a fearful fragment called 'me', and probably the whole of humanity has the potential for breaking out of the MESS we are in right now, and have been trapped in since the dawn of humankind.

Why do you call it a mess?

The fact that you are aware of time means that you are beyond time..it is within you.

Who/what/when is this fragment?
When you look inside your head can you find that "me"?
Or is it only outside yourself?

Ever notice that this world is like a mirror?
Everything is opposite of what you know in yourself to be true...good is called evil; freedom is slavery and so on...
Ever notice that?

Ever read greek legends?
Think about Narcissus looking into the pool, or Endymion the sleeping god..
the truth is hidden in plain sight...like a splinter in the mind of god that was never there.


The reflection of your unconscious may truly be the universe, the body a reflection of your subconscious, your conscious mind a reflection within that...
all nestled around your awareness

How do you plan to break the eggshell when they APPEAR to be stacked like a marushka doll?

If fear has created it what will dissolve it?

[Anders Lindman]

Why do you call it a mess?

The fact that you are aware of time means that you are beyond time..it is within you.

Who/what/when is this fragment?
When you look inside your head can you find that "me"?
Or is it only outside yourself?

Ever notice that this world is like a mirror?
Everything is opposite of what you know in yourself to be true...good is called evil; freedom is slavery and so on...
Ever notice that?

Ever read greek legends?
Think about Narcissus looking into the pool, or Endymion the sleeping god..
the truth is hidden in plain sight...like a splinter in the mind of god that was never there.


The reflection of your unconscious may truly be the universe, the body a reflection of your subconscious, your conscious mind a reflection within that...
all nestled around your awareness

How do you plan to break the eggshell when they APPEAR to be stacked like a marushka doll?

If fear has created it what will dissolve it?

How? Say hello to my little friend: Infinite Love. :D

We can look at fear and love as the opposite sides of the same coin. But which side is more creative: fear or love? The massive Force that animates the universe will have no problem breaking eggshells, no matter how strong they are. Life finds a way...

[danceswithbunnies]

How? Say hello to my little friend: Infinite Love. :D

We can look at fear and love as the opposite sides of the same coin. But which side is more creative: fear or love? The massive Force that animates the universe will have no problem breaking eggshells, no matter how strong they are. Life finds a way...

You ARE that force...


Only in our refected mindshards is fear the opposite of love.

Light isn't really the opposite of dark
...just like light fills a place so darkness is no more, love fills a place so that fear is no more.


"We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together." - Mellen Benedict

[Anders Lindman]

You ARE that force...


Only in our refected mindshards is fear the opposite of love.

Light isn't really the opposite of dark
...just like light fills a place so darkness is no more, love fills a place so that fear is no more.


"We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together." - Mellen Benedict

That made me think: maybe we are love looking at fear? We are then looking in a backward direction and need to turn around 180 degrees. Instead of standing in love and looking at fear, we should stand in fear and look at love. Then someone may think: stand in fear? That sounds horrible. But with correct perception, fear is the past, and the past is 100% certain and therefore is solid ground to stand on.

[Anders Lindman]

That made me think: maybe we are love looking at fear? We are then looking in a backward direction and need to turn around 180 degrees. Instead of standing in love and looking at fear, we should stand in fear and look at love. Then someone may think: stand in fear? That sounds horrible. But with correct perception, fear is the past, and the past is 100% certain and therefore is solid ground to stand on.

Correction: We should stand ON fear. :)

[awakensong]

I'm just wondering if any of you have ever read or taken this free Course in Consciousness (http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/), written by a professor at the University of Virginia.

Over the past 2 years, I have taken the course twice. I do not know if everything he says is correct, and there are parts I have problems with, but he repeatedly emphasizes there is no "I" and there is no doer or "doership". There is only Consciousness.

He states that if we are supposed to wake up, are supposed to overcome fear, etc., we will; if not, we won't. This goes to the experiment where it was discovered that we do not have free will, do not make our own choices, and that our actions and movements are pre-determined, pre-ordained. He does answer email questions, and I have written him plenty of times, but have never come away totally satisfied as yet.

[Anders Lindman]

I'm just wondering if any of you have ever read or taken this free Course in Consciousness (http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/), written by a professor at the University of Virginia.

Over the past 2 years, I have taken the course twice. I do not know if everything he says is correct, and there are parts I have problems with, but he repeatedly emphasizes there is no "I" and there is no doer or "doership". There is only Consciousness.

He states that if we are supposed to wake up, are supposed to overcome fear, etc., we will; if not, we won't. This goes to the experiment where it was discovered that we do not have free will, do not make our own choices, and that our actions and movements are pre-determined, pre-ordained. He does answer email questions, and I have written him plenty of times, but have never come away totally satisfied as yet.

I remember having looked at his course but I had forgotten about it. Now that I look at it again it appears to be brilliant!!!

I just read the short "A Dialogue in Consciousness" but that was enough. Nothing about predetermination was written in the dialogue. Are you sure that he has written that all our actions and movements are predetermined?

[john white]

Nice thread Anders!

Freedom is but the thickness of a thought away

[Anders Lindman]

Nice thread Anders!

Freedom is but the thickness of a thought away

Yes, I guess you mean that the eggshell of fear is also a shell of thoughts.

[infinitely free]

Hey there Anders..

Ever hear that zero times something is still zero?
This reality literally is a dream...it is in the collective unconscious.



Didn't Terence McKenna say, that this reality springs out, of the so called 'Time Wave Zero' (or something like that - I am not quite sure)

Come to talk about McKenna - I must say, to me, he was one of the greatest researchers, and may be he paid the price for it :(

But, yes Bunnydance - this reality literally is a dream, in the collective unconscious - I think so too

[infinitely free]

Yes, I guess you mean that the eggshell of fear is also a shell of thoughts.


Or as David Icke says - Don't think it, know it :D

[infinitely free]

Ever notice that this world is like a mirror?
Everything is opposite of what you know in yourself to be true...good is called evil; freedom is slavery and so on...
Ever notice that?



Yes this is a possible reason, that the more you counsciously work, to get somethin, the further away it goes :rolleyes:

[infinitely free]

Why do you call it a mess?

The reflection of your unconscious may truly be the universe, the body a reflection of your subconscious, your conscious mind a reflection within that...
all nestled around your awareness

How do you plan to break the eggshell when they APPEAR to be stacked like a marushka doll?

If fear has created it what will dissolve it?


I think, the only thin, we lack is complete knowledge, of how to manipulate this reallity... sorry Illusion!

Everything seems to emanate from our subconsciuos mind. This subconsciuos mind, seems to be related to the DNA crystalin structure

[Anders Lindman]

I remember having looked at his course but I had forgotten about it. Now that I look at it again it appears to be brilliant!!!

I just read the short "A Dialogue in Consciousness" but that was enough. Nothing about predetermination was written in the dialogue. Are you sure that he has written that all our actions and movements are predetermined?

I see one danger with the Course in Consciousness and that is that free will seems to have been removed. That's what often happens with these Advaita teachers, and I suspect that they are fooling themselves in a subtle but very unhealthy way.

Instead of saying that there is no free will, I would say that there are (at least) three layers: physical, mental and awareness. On the level of awareness there is no free will but only the One Force. On the mental level however, there is personal free will, and I think it should be EXPANDED. Not made impotent as most of these Advaita teachers tries to trick people (and probably even themselves) into.

[Anders Lindman]

The eggshell of fear serves a purpose. It prevents evolution from moving in the wrong direction.

The future is 100% uncertain. The mistake most people make is to try to control the future and make it as certain as possible in an attempt to make the future turn up as wanted. It is this mechanical form of control that creates fear. It also creates the illusion of a "me" AGAINST the world.

A person that has real control has no fear, except fear as a form of entertainment, like the kind of fear that can arise when watching a movie. :eek:

[seamus]

If all you want is to be free of fear, have your amygdalas removed, or discover an herb that supresses them.

People who have had theirs destroyed due to accident or disease are not even able to pretend fear. All they can manage is surprise.

[Anders Lindman]

If all you want is to be free of fear, have your amygdalas removed, or discover an herb that supresses them.

People who have had theirs destroyed due to accident or disease are not even able to pretend fear. All they can manage is surprise.

I'm not talking about numbing out emotions. That would be horrible. To feel nothing, or to be a blissful vegetable is not the correct direction for evolution.

[retribution]

All this talk of breaking the shell of fear that surrounds us, instead why not create the positive atmosphere and climate around the outside of the shell thus enabling you to hatch into your own reality as opposed to jumping out of one trap and into another(egg within an egg ad infinite). Breaking your fear also requires you to break your hope, the destruction of expectation. All of us expect things in one way or the other so breaking out into the totally exotic requires comparable fear. We all fear of not having freedom.

[Anders Lindman]

All this talk of breaking the shell of fear that surrounds us, instead why not create the positive atmosphere and climate around the outside of the shell thus enabling you to hatch into your own reality as opposed to jumping out of one trap and into another(egg within an egg ad infinite). Breaking your fear also requires you to break your hope, the destruction of expectation. All of us expect things in one way or the other so breaking out into the totally exotic requires comparable fear. We all fear of not having freedom.

Yes, perhaps it's possible to change the outside of the shell. The outside physical world is always certain. It's only on the inside of each person there is uncertainty.

Fear is created when the future outside oneself doesn't match one's personal wants. Bringing balance between inner personal future and external future would remove the eggshell of fear. The question then is how to create such balance.

Maybe the trick is to learn to see that the outside world is certain, and that seeing would then bring certainty to the inside of a person.

[Anders Lindman]

The total state of the universe at any future moment in time will be certain, but my prediction about what that future state will be is uncertain. Maybe it's possible to train the mind to remove that uncertainty simply by just dropping all uncertain ideas one has in one's mind. That would be a radical form of meditation/practice/training/learning.

[wanderer]

Yes, perhaps it's possible to change the outside of the shell. The outside physical world is always certain. It's only on the inside of each person there is uncertainty.

Fear is created when the future outside oneself doesn't match one's personal wants. Bringing balance between inner personal future and external future would remove the eggshell of fear. The question then is how to create such balance.

Maybe the trick is to learn to see that the outside world is certain, and that seeing would then bring certainty to the inside of a person.

Or maybe the trick is to completely absolve yourself from physical wants and learn to accept that there are no certainties save the ones we choose to experience - albeit largely unconsciously.

Perhaps there is no reality, save the reality we create - and trying to impose/accept/understand certainty (control) within the 'outside world' is a consequence of fear - not a release from it.

Having said that though, it could be argued that we are also being brought to an awakened state by the percieved future armageddon that this fear-based feedback loop is creating.

Hmmm.

Anyway - I dispute the assertion that the past is 100% certain and the future 100% uncertain. We are infinite possibility - we choose our illusory 'future now' in the present now.

Show me a particle of tomorrow/yesterday. Are there such things? - Our thoughts are now - we are now - our physical reality is now, held firmly in place by our belief that it exists now.

So did the past actually happen? If there is only now - there is no past - but we have memories of past. The question is - are such memories accurate? Are they even ours? Such memories certainly help anchor us to our belief systems and tie us into this current reality.

We often hear the phrase "History teaches us..." Well I suspect that history teaches us nothing, except that we must believe in a history - If history really exists and does indeed teach us, surely we wouldn't be in such a mess now.

I suspect that it is fear of ourselves, and who (what) we are, that reinforces our comfortable illusion that there was a 'past now' and will always be a 'future now'. Consequently, we sit back and let things happen to us.

Maybe to release ourselves from the eggshell of fear, we simply need to embrace our power as creators, to stop worrying about yesterday or tomorrow and exercise our collective free will now to become unified and to create a different now.

I also have a suspicion that too much focus on a certain future date - say 2012 for example - is detracting from our power as the creators of now - and is exposing us to a whole host of manipulation by other aspects of the Oneness that are fully conversant with the power of now and are exercising it to their own ends.

What say you?

[Anders Lindman]

Or maybe the trick is to completely absolve yourself from physical wants and learn to accept that there are no certainties save the ones we choose to experience - albeit largely unconsciously.

Perhaps there is no reality, save the reality we create - and trying to impose/accept/understand certainty (control) within the 'outside world' is a consequence of fear - not a release from it.

Having said that though, it could be argued that we are also being brought to an awakened state by the percieved future armageddon that this fear-based feedback loop is creating.

Hmmm.

Anyway - I dispute the assertion that the past is 100% certain and the future 100% uncertain. We are infinite possibility - we choose our illusory 'future now' in the present now.

Show me a particle of tomorrow/yesterday. Are there such things? - Our thoughts are now - we are now - our physical reality is now, held firmly in place by our belief that it exists now.

So did the past actually happen? If there is only now - there is no past - but we have memories of past. The question is - are such memories accurate? Are they even ours? Such memories certainly help anchor us to our belief systems and tie us into this current reality.

We often hear the phrase "History teaches us..." Well I suspect that history teaches us nothing, except that we must believe in a history - If history really exists and does indeed teach us, surely we wouldn't be in such a mess now.

I suspect that it is fear of ourselves, and who (what) we are, that reinforces our comfortable illusion that there was a 'past now' and will always be a 'future now'. Consequently, we sit back and let things happen to us.

Maybe to release ourselves from the eggshell of fear, we simply need to embrace our power as creators, to stop worrying about yesterday or tomorrow and exercise our collective free will now to become unified and to create a different now.

I also have a suspicion that too much focus on a certain future date - say 2012 for example - is detracting from our power as the creators of now - and is exposing us to a whole host of manipulation by other aspects of the Oneness that are fully conversant with the power of now and are exercising it to their own ends.

What say you?

Yes, I have changed my mind about 2012 as a definite omega point of accelerated evolution. Yet I still believe that evolution is exponential and that 2012 is a fairly good prediction of this acceleration.

If absolving oneself means to reject physical wants, then I think that is a dangerous path. Removing desire will perhaps at the same time remove fear, but the end result would be a bleak numbing out of emotions.

Instead physical wants should be enhanced.

The past is 100% certain. For example, the 911 disaster cannot be modified. Theoretically perhaps it's possible to change the past, but even then I think the old past still exists even if replaced with a new past. Information is always increasing, never decreasing. Nothing is ever really lost. And nothing is really "solid". Everything is an expansion of information created by consciousness. The next moment in time = the previous moment + new information.

I have changed my mind about the future. The future is 100% certain. :)

It is only our limited perception and limited personal control that make the future seem uncertain. The more personal control we get, the more certain the future will be experienced.

[Anders Lindman]

I have changed my mind about the future. The future is 100% certain. :)


But this does NOT mean that the future is predetermined. That future can be changed ALL THE TIME.

[Anders Lindman]

Theoretically perhaps it's possible to change the past, but even then I think the old past still exists even if replaced with a new past.

To give a better description we can think of the past as a Word document, or a Google Docs document so that people don't think I am trying to promote Microsoft. More and more text can be added to the document, but we can also click 'undo', and with an infinite undo and redo tracker the past can be edited, but nothing would ever be lost because the history tracker records all the editing being done to the document.

[harpalchemist]

You haven't got me convinced,can you explain yourself a bit better.I know of the eggshell theory,why is it true?I remember Donnie Darko said "you can't just lump everything into 2 categories,fear and love.What about the whole gamut of human emotion".As far as the unified field theory goes,my understanding is that all futures are possible at all times,but the controllers know how to start anywhere in the loop so disrupt whatever we try and make.Remember,i'm not trying to piss anyone off,but recall what Terence Mckenna said"Learn how to operate your brain,get together in groups and pass ideas around,that is how alchemy works.The correct answer now might be incorrect soon,we are still looking from INSIDE the goldfish bowl.Lets get some real answers here.

[harpalchemist]

Sorry Anders,your theory that the past is 100% known is rubbish.The past is what we are told,and I have the sneaking suspicion that it can be changed.Those who control the past,control the present,and those who control the present control the future.Not sure what side you are batting for,Anders,but that Orwell quote is a fundamental principle to truth.You might want to read some more.Nice try though,if indeed it was disinformation.

[Anders Lindman]

You haven't got me convinced,can you explain yourself a bit better.I know of the eggshell theory,why is it true?I remember Donnie Darko said "you can't just lump everything into 2 categories,fear and love.What about the whole gamut of human emotion".As far as the unified field theory goes,my understanding is that all futures are possible at all times,but the controllers know how to start anywhere in the loop so disrupt whatever we try and make.Remember,i'm not trying to piss anyone off,but recall what Terence Mckenna said"Learn how to operate your brain,get together in groups and pass ideas around,that is how alchemy works.The correct answer now might be incorrect soon,we are still looking from INSIDE the goldfish bowl.Lets get some real answers here.

I think we can intuit what the freedom from the eggshell of fear is. When we can do exactly what we want in each moment, then the eggshell has been broken. Finding out how to break the eggshell, or how to define it, seems to be much more difficult.

Intellectual thinking by itself may NEVER be able to create freedom from fear. Therefore I think it's important not only to hang on to words but to do some practical experiments. The simplest method I use is to put awareness inside the body. That's something the mind cannot only think about; it has actually, practically learn how to move awareness into the body.

[Anders Lindman]

Sorry Anders,your theory that the past is 100% known is rubbish.The past is what we are told,and I have the sneaking suspicion that it can be changed.Those who control the past,control the present,and those who control the present control the future.Not sure what side you are batting for,Anders,but that Orwell quote is a fundamental principle to truth.You might want to read some more.Nice try though,if indeed it was disinformation.

Here is a modified version: the past is 100% certain, BUT like the future, it can be modified ALL THE TIME.

[Anders Lindman]

Another way of looking at it is to say that the eggshell of fear is the barrier between the conscious and the subconscious.

The subconscious handles all the billions of processes in the body which in turn is connected to the rest of the universe, while the conscious mind is an isolated form of self-awareness.

The separation between the subconscious and the conscious is a form of conflict; a trap for personal awareness, an eggshell, a prison that you cannot touch, taste or smell. A prison for your mind.

The first thing for the conscious mind to do is not trying to make itself smarter, because however intelligent it becomes, it will still remain trapped within its own cocoon and only vaguely be aware of the subconscious through emotions and other disharmonious and limited sensations.

Instead the conscious mind can remain more or less with it's ordinary rational thinking, but start to connect that thinking with the immense and vast subconscious. And an effective tool for connecting to the subconscious is through feelings. Negative feelings indicate a barrier/blocking between the conscious and the subconscious.

Positive thinking will not get far since that too is still to be trapped within the cocoon of the conscious mind. But positive thinking PLUS positive feeling at the same time ought to be a better tool for melting the barrier between the conscious and the subconscious, and unifying them to a greater whole.

[Anders Lindman]

Fear is a trap!!! Don't look at fear. Start with your shame and guilt first!!!!!!!!! And THEN see what fear you have left.

In everything you do; talking with your children, your parents, friends, reading the news, reading a book, watching a movie, looking at something on the Internet and so on, IGNORE YOUR FEAR TOTALLY, and instead focus with all your force on YOUR SHAME and YOUR GUILT. Observe for example, how your mother and your children CONSTANTLY are trying to make you feel shameful and guilty. The same with school teachers, celebrities and experts. Ignore them all on your emotional level. Not by suppression but by being very AWARE of your shame and your guilt, and how constantly, other people are trying to pull at your shame and guilt.

[tru3]

The whole universe is the shell of fear..

perfect love casts out fear..

as Icke put it
"Infinite love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion"


It is a distinct possibility that the universe you see is the collective unconscious projected by the mind, and that your body is your subconscious mind..

I also believe Icke was correct about the Time Loop

So within permutations everything is predetermined except choosing to wake up..

How do you do that?

Since perfect love casts out fear...because in fact love is the opposite of fear, you do that with LOVE.
Yup, it is that simple.

But with most things that seem simple the application is the difficult part.

ain't it the truth, ain't it the truth lol.

i don't really have anything to back this up, by my intuition says that reptilians are constantly going back and forth manipulating the timeline. maybe this is the "glitch" in the matrix?

anyway, what they have forgotten is that the totality of all spacetime is already held in the perfect Love of God. I also believe the Holy Spirit (Grace) has the ability to ripple changes back and forth through spacetime when forgiveness is performed.

[tru3]

Fear is a trap!!! Don't look at fear. Start with your shame and guilt first!!!!!!!!! And THEN see what fear you have left.

In everything you do; talking with your children, your parents, friends, reading the news, reading a book, watching a movie, looking at something on the Internet and so on, IGNORE YOUR FEAR TOTALLY, and instead focus with all your force on YOUR SHAME and YOUR GUILT. Observe for example, how your mother and your children CONSTANTLY are trying to make you feel shameful and guilty. The same with school teachers, celebrities and experts. Ignore them all on your emotional level. Not by suppression but by being very AWARE of your shame and your guilt, and how constantly, other people are trying to pull at your shame and guilt.

very nice, anders. thank you. i believe this is the "emotional plague" wilhelm reich wrote about in "listen, little man".

shame and guilt. i have to say, from my own experience, guilt is projected from the mind, but shame is felt in the body as energy in a way that guilt never is.

shame is the "absolute zero" of human energy. it is worse than death; death implies birth and renewal. shame implies nothing but dying a day at a time, in a thousand ways. shame-filled people are frozen, lifeless people. i know; i was one. and yet, the thought of walking away from that shame and stepping into the warmth of the willingness to let it go terrified me. i knew i could "survive" the shame, but authenticity? puh-leeze. better to endure water-boarding.

m. scott peck wrote a book called "people of the lie". he asserted that the real evil is denial, and projection of that denial onto the innocent. the more intense the denial, the more complex the mechanisms of denial, the greater the evil.

perhaps the denial of the shame we have experienced is the greatest evil we can do to ourselves.