are we being pied pipered to ron paul?

[majorlee]

after seeing and examining the media on both sides of the fence i see to come to a conclusion of what is going on

the main stream will hardly speak his name, but is it the reason or purpose we think it is logically?

so the fairly 'new' alternative media are lapping all this up and creating a huge amount of support since most people who actually give a fuck listens to the alternative media more and more


is this the plan to GET ron paul into the whitehouse??? bear in mind the changes recently in the agenda of many of the leaders around the world


i dunno, getting late and i might be babbling here....

[truther1]

stick with what there is evidence of. There is no evidence of what you suspect and there is no logic, what you suggest could be said about anyone who put themselves forward to make a difference. Not everyone or everything has a hidden agenda sometimes things are as they seem.

Lets look at facts

If Ron Paul was what you suggest then it would be an extremely elaborate plan since he was fought for the same things for around 30 years

the powers that be already have the power to put whoever they want into the white house so why would ignoring Ron Paul help since they would need to convince the sheep to vote for him

There is no evidence for Ron Paul being in on anything just suspicion but hey if evidence comes up i'll be the first to admit i was wrong

[majorlee]

the PTB will use whatever cards they have available for their need at the time

they are extremely flexible and can infiltrate like you cannot imagine



do not rule out this aspect altogether



did i mention i do support RP....?

[truther1]

I rule it out because if the ptb wanted Ron Paul into the white house then they would have him in.

I understand why you are asking the question and i'm sure the more success Ron Paul gets the more we will all start asking similar questions.

I have also struggled to believe we could have some victories but look how we have started to win the war on SOPA.

http://worldundercontrol.com/2012/01/19/sopa-strike-successful-as-co-sponsors-withdraw-support/

[supertzar]

He does have that nebulous association with the Freemasons. What is that about?  

[truther1]

i thought it was obvious, Ron Paul is a supporter of the founding fathers of America who were all freemasons, plus freemasonry in itself is simply a tool used by tptb.

[supertzar]

i thought it was obvious, Ron Paul is a supporter of the founding fathers of America who were all freemasons, plus freemasonry in itself is simply a tool used by tptb.

Why does he have all the trappings of Freemasonry but denies being one or more accurately won't confirm that he is one?

[no_gmo]

I too have thought about this at one point. I'm just hypothesizing here but here are some thoughts.

-If TPTB wanted to have Ron Paul in office, then why wouldn't they dangle him like a carrot for the people? (as they did with Obama) Obama was pretty much shoved in people's throats with media hysteria and constant coverage. If they wanted to have him as an option, one would think they would keep the people occupied by giving him a platform on MSM. It would help people from going to alternative media and would give the impression that all will be well. "Just vote for Ron Paul. Go back to sleep so to speak."

-This is just a personal opinion that I have but for me, I want to exhaust all options before giving up on the system entirely. Ron Paul represents one of the last options for me. He gives hope to me because wether he makes it to the White House or not, he gets the important issues on the table.

-In a way, Ron Paul demonstrates how broken the system is because the line that is pushed in the heads of people is that America is a place where the "little guy" can be president. The people can have a vote and have their voices heard. But we have seen that the will of the people is blatantly ignored and attacked. Even if the majority of the people rally behind Ron Paul, MSM will still refer to those people as "those Ron Paul people" and "those kids" and not the American people. So in a very real way Mainstream Media will do whatever is necessary to keep the "little guy" out of the discussion and out of the office of President.

It is because of those things that I give myself permission to have hope that Ron Paul might serve some good in all this after all. I am realistic that one man can't change everything but he can change some things. And changing the mindset of people is a very powerful thing. So for now I am a Ron Paul girl and if I am proven wrong later on then I am woman enough to admit my mistake and move on.

[susano]

I am very politically informed (and American). I have been aware of Ron Paul for 18 years. He's the real deal. If you admire Thomas Jefferson you'll like Ron Paul. If you want to see the evil American military aggression come to an end, you'll support Ron Paul. If you think that private banksters enslaving mankind through debt money and usury is an abomination, Ron Paul is your guy. If you think that freedom is the birthright of all human beings, you agree with Ron Paul. If you're looking for someone to rescue you and America, pray to Jesus, lol, because Ron Paul is a just a good and honest man who knows that we can only rescue ourselves.

It's not complicated.

Ron Paul = freedom and obeying the United States constitution.

Anyone else = the continuation of the hellish slide into tyranny.

Choose wisely because we're running out of time.

[susano]

For those who don't know about Ron Paul's history, he said that this book launched him into economics and his choosing to be a champion for freedom:

The Road To Serfdom

by F.A. Hayek

http://jim.com/hayek.htm

[knightofthegrail]

Paul is an advocate of:
* free-trade - so he is no patriot, because he is against protectionism and bias to your own people
* legalised prostitution
* decriminalised drugs
* stem-cell research
* same-sex "marriage"
* letters or marque and reprisal (ie: fighting wars with mercenaries)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
Libertarianism is about freedom from morality, public taste and notions of common decency.

Not that any of the other candidates are any better, but Paul is most certainly not the choice of anyone who is socially conservative.

[susano]

Paul is an advocate of:
* free-trade - so he is no patriot, because he is against protectionism and bias to your own people
* legalised prostitution
* decriminalised drugs
* stem-cell research
* same-sex "marriage"
* letters or marque and reprisal (ie: fighting wars with mercenaries)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
Libertarianism is about freedom from morality, public taste and notions of common decency.

Not that any of the other candidates are any better, but Paul is most certainly not the choice of anyone who is socially conservative.

Our constitution was not penned for any other country but the United States. Freedom, being a fundamental, means the freedom to trade with whomever you choose, should you and the other party find it mutually beneficial. We do not have free trade, now. We have corporate socialism enforced by a corrupt government and trade agreements. Freedom and obeying OUR constitution is being true to our foundations. Not Britain's, not the EU's, not anyone but ours.

That's right that Ron Paul does not approve of the federal government getting involved in prostitution, what drugs people choose to do (or not), or anything else not authorized by the very LIMITED mandate given the federal govt by our constitution (which all federal employees take an oath to uphold and defend).

Yes, he supports stem cell research but not using aborted fetuses.

Same sex marriage is matter for the states (some have legalized it). Our constitution set up a system whereby the power resided with the people and the states, as though each were it's own sovereign country, with a federal union for defense and trade and a couple of other things. The belief of our founders was that nobody knows better how to run their affairs than the people, themselves. Keeping govt local gives the people the most power and makes govt employees most accountable.

Letters of marque and reprisal are authorized by our constitution and FAR less damaging than sending in the bombers.

[knightofthegrail]

Our constitution was not penned for any other country but the United States. Freedom, being a fundamental, means the freedom to trade with whomever you choose, should you and the other party find it mutually beneficial. We do not have free trade, now. We have corporate socialism enforced by a corrupt government and trade agreements. Freedom and obeying OUR constitution is being true to our foundations. Not Britain's, not the EU's, not anyone but ours.

That's right that Ron Paul does not approve of the federal government getting involved in prostitution, what drugs people choose to do (or not), or anything else not authorized by the very LIMITED mandate given the federal govt by our constitution (which all federal employees take and oath to uphold and defend).

Yes, he supports stem cell research but not using aborted fetuses.

Same sex marriage is matter for the states (some have legalized it). Our constitution set up a system whereby the power resided with the people and the states, as though each were it's own sovereign country, with a federal union for defense and trade and a couple of other things. The belief of our founders was that nobody knows better how to run their affairs than the people, themselves. Keeping govt local gives the people the most power and makes govt employees most accountable.

Letters of marque and reprisal are authorized by our constitution and FAR less damaging than sending in the bombers.

Your constitution was written by slave-owning freemasons as a pre-cursor to the NWO secular super-state divorced from tradition and the concept of a coherent morality in society. Paul worships at that altar.

[susano]

Your constitution was written by slave-owning freemasons as a pre-cursor to the NWO secular super-state divorced from tradition and the concept of a coherent morality in society. Paul worships at that altar.

Some were Freemasons and some were not. Yes, they valued reason and wanted a secular government, free from the tyranny of a state imposed religion, though they acknowledged the unalienable right to believe and worship as one may please, or not.

There was nothing "NWO" about it, though I've read the conspiracy theories. Perhaps you should read the founders own words.

Yes, Ron Paul is committed to individual freedom. So am I. You may not be and that's your choice. I suggest you put your efforts into creating what you want wherever it is you live - that is if what you want doesn't interfere with the freedom of anyone else.

[zhuangzi]

RP has them specific role: He being mistreated to ANTAGONISE them thinking man in the street.

[knightofthegrail]

Yes, they valued reason and wanted a secular government, free from the tyranny of a state imposed religion, though they acknowledged the unalienable right to believe and worship as one may please, or not.

There was nothing "NWO" about it, though I've read the conspiracy theories. Perhaps you should read the founders own words.

I said that it is a pre-cursor to the NWO - its values are part of the eroding of those values which stand in the way of a globalist (rather than protectionist), secular (rather than godly), rationalist (rather than traditional), libertine (rather than tasteful), relativist-pragmatist (rather than moral), atomised (rather than close-knit) order.

Yes, Ron Paul is committed to individual freedom.

Indeed. Like I said. Freedom from morality, public taste and notions of common decency.

[energi]

I too have thought about this at one point. I'm just hypothesizing here but here are some thoughts.

-If TPTB wanted to have Ron Paul in office, then why wouldn't they dangle him like a carrot for the people? (as they did with Obama) Obama was pretty much shoved in people's throats with media hysteria and constant coverage. If they wanted to have him as an option, one would think they would keep the people occupied by giving him a platform on MSM. It would help people from going to alternative media and would give the impression that all will be well. "Just vote for Ron Paul. Go back to sleep so to speak."

/../

-In a way, Ron Paul demonstrates how broken the system is because the line that is pushed in the heads of people is that America is a place where the "little guy" can be president. The people can have a vote and have their voices heard. But we have seen that the will of the people is blatantly ignored and attacked. Even if the majority of the people rally behind Ron Paul, MSM will still refer to those people as "those Ron Paul people" and "those kids" and not the American people. So in a very real way Mainstream Media will do whatever is necessary to keep the "little guy" out of the discussion and out of the office of President.

My sentiments exactly

[susano]

I said that it is a pre-cursor to the NWO - its values are part of the eroding of those values which stand in the way of a globalist (rather than protectionist), secular (rather than godly), rationalist (rather than traditional), libertine (rather than tasteful), relativist-pragmatist (rather than moral), atomised (rather than close-knit) order.



Indeed. Like I said. Freedom from morality, public taste and notions of common decency.

What you fail to see is that the belief that unalienable rights come from our Creator, i.e., are a birthright, is a very traditional value. Ron Paul is very much a traditional values kind of man - married to the same woman all of his life, five kids, around 18 grandchildren, a Christian who believes in family and the sanctity of life. That said, he also knows that he is not God and it is not his or anyone else's role to dictate the personal choices of any individual, as long as that individual doesn't violate the rights of another. He is neither a relativist nor a pragmatist, but has always stood on principal - for which he has suffered much ridicule by the pragmatic and corrupt relativists (and nihilists). Perhaps this will help you understand the principals which RP and his supporters adhere to:

The Philosophy of Liberty - YouTube

[knightofthegrail]

What you fail to see is that the belief that unalienable rights come from our Creator, i.e., are a birthright, is a very traditional value.

No, what I see is a self-contradictory idea of freedom from tradition and morality somehow being traditional rights and morals.

Ron Paul is very much a traditional values kind of man - married to the same woman all of his life, five kids, around 18 grandchildren, a Christian who believes in family and the sanctity of life.

....who supports prostitution, drug use, homosexual "marriage", war-by-mercenary and stands against patriotism by being anti-protectionist. Some "traditional values".

That said, he also knows that he is not God and it is not his or anyone else's role to dictate the personal choices of any individual, as long as that individual doesn't violate the rights of another.

Having a coherent morality as part of a cohesive society is not believing that you are God.

And your video opens up with the key point, that the philosophy of liberty is based on the principle of self-ownership. Which amounts to self worship rather than recognising something greater than us. Libertarians propose that we are master of ourselves rather than servant to something greater...which is why they promote the absence of coherent and cohesive social morals.

[susano]

No, what I see is a self-contradictory idea of freedom from tradition and morality somehow being traditional rights and morals.



....who supports prostitution, drug use, homosexual "marriage", war-by-mercenary and stands against patriotism by being anti-protectionist. Some "traditional values".



Having a coherent morality as part of a cohesive society is not believing that you are God.

And your video opens up with the key point, that the philosophy of liberty is based on the principle of self-ownership. Which amounts to self worship rather than recognising something greater than us. Libertarians propose that we are master of ourselves rather than servant to something greater...which is why they promote the absence of coherent and cohesive social morals.

You continue to parrot lies and talk smack. Wonder why that is.

Being that you are not an American and have no stake in our freedom or lack of it, your obsession with Ron Paul and your having an issue with our constitution is highly peculiar, at the very least. Since you're so into it, perhaps Rick Santorum should be your guy. He's nearly a theocrat, he's a big govt globalist, an Israel firster, and a pro war, pro empire kind of guy. he does not even believe that people have a right of privacy in their own bedrooms. Sounds right up your alley. Oh, and he wants to attack Iran, immediately.

[knightofthegrail]

You continue to parrot lies and talk smack. Wonder why that is.

Being that you are not an American and have no stake in our freedom or lack of it, your obsession with Ron Paul and your having an issue with our constitution is highly peculiar, at the very least. Since you're so into it, perhaps Rick Santorum should be your guy. He's nearly a theocrat, he's a big govt globalist, an Israel firster, and a pro war, pro empire kind of guy. he does not even believe that people have a right of privacy in their own bedrooms. Sounds right up your alley. Oh, and he wants to attack Iran, immediately.

Ah, and so if I point out that Paul's values are screwed up, that the US constitution is a pre-cursor to a nationless secular amoral order, and dont back down if you disagree with me, that makes me an "obsessed" "parrot" of "lies". Mind you, I should not be surprised that you lack a moral sense if you support Mr Lets-legalise-prostitution. :rolleyes:

[susano]

Ah, and so if I point out that Paul's values are screwed up, that the US constitution is a pre-cursor to a nationless secular amoral order, and dont back down if you disagree with me, that makes me an "obsessed" "parrot" of "lies". Mind you, I should not be surprised that you lack a moral sense if you support Mr Lets-legalise-prostitution. :rolleyes:

Well, you have told several lies which I have corrected you on, and then you repeat those lies. Agenda much?

Rather than you obsessing about someone running for office in a country you have no stake in, why don't you reveal what it is that you support in a candidate in your own country. Give us your ideal and the positions that person would champion.

[knightofthegrail]

Well, you have told several lies which I have corrected you on, and then you repeat those lies. Agenda much?

How ironic that you lie there. Lmao.

Rather than you obsessing about someone running for office in a country you have no stake in, why don't you reveal what it is that you support in a candidate in your own country. Give us your ideal and the positions that person would champion.

This is a thread on Ron Paul, do try to keep that in mind. :)

[susano]

How ironic that you lie there. Lmao.



This is a thread on Ron Paul, do try to keep that in mind. :)

You can say that two plus two is five and believe that but when you are corrected and shown the truth, if you keep repeating that it either means you're trolling, a liar, or a delusional fanatic.

You have obsessive issues with the constitution of a foreign land and a candidate running for office who took an oath to uphold and defend that constitution. Your issues and obsessiveness appear to be based upon fanatical ideas about you think is appropriate for the lives of others, based upon some religious ideas. So, since this is a forum, tell us what you YOUR views are and why anyone else (especially those in another country) should be subject to them.

[knightofthegrail]

You can say that two plus two is five and believe that but when you are corrected and shown the truth, if you keep repeating that it either means you're trolling, a liar, or a delusional fanatic.

You have obsessive issues with the constitution of a foreign land and a candidate running for office who took an oath to uphold and defend that constitution. Your issues and obsessiveness appear to be based upon fanatical ideas about you think is appropriate for the lives of others, based upon some religious ideas. So, since this is a forum, tell us what you YOUR views are and why anyone else (especially those in another country) should be subject to them.

Why would I engage in conversation with someone who just calls me a liar when I disagree with them? Nighty nite. :)

[susano]

Why would I engage in conversation with someone who just calls me a liar when I disagree with them? Nighty nite. :)

I rest my case.

[paloem]

he thinks people are not entitled to an education.

yes anyone who votes for someone who says something like that deserves what they get.

[supertzar]

he thinks people are not entitled to an education.

yes anyone who votes for someone who says something like that deserves what they get.

Where in the Constitution does it say Americans are entitled to an education let alone an education funded by the Federal Government?

[0ddity]

I have friends who are aware of the elite controlling group, who are against the corrupt system, and who saw through the deceptive Obama campaign.... But now they are lapping up this Ron Paul B.S. "He is different, he is what we need!"
:rolleyes:

If Ron Paul gets into office, it's all part of the plan. Boycott the political charade and don't vote.

[rolf harris]

Maybe he will get in and 'something' happens, then a caretaker government steps in...

[largejack]

after seeing and examining the media on both sides of the fence i see to come to a conclusion of what is going on

the main stream will hardly speak his name, but is it the reason or purpose we think it is logically?

so the fairly 'new' alternative media are lapping all this up and creating a huge amount of support since most people who actually give a fuck listens to the alternative media more and more


is this the plan to GET ron paul into the whitehouse??? bear in mind the changes recently in the agenda of many of the leaders around the world


i dunno, getting late and i might be babbling here....

I think you're reading into things very badly

[vancity eagle]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ron Paul is just kept around so those who are more "awake" than the average sheep can have faith in THE SYSTEM, therefore wasting their time and energy. There unfortunately is NO POLITICAL SOLUTION TO THIS EVIL.


Not to mention a third party will just give victory to Obama.

[vancity eagle]

Where in the Constitution does it say Americans are entitled to an education let alone an education funded by the Federal Government?

why is the constitution worshipped by so many Alex Jones type "truthers". Sure there are many things in it I agree with , but why is it the epitome of law. Its like the founding fathers were some sort of Gods who could never be wrong. They were a bunch of Freemasons who were playing their part in creating the final stages of the NWO, anyone who thinks otherwise is just drinking the cool aid.

Why shouldn't a country so filled with natural resources provide at the very least heavily subsidized post secondary education, its not like it couldn't be done , which would create a much better society. Oh better for private companies to create massive profits, of course its the American way. Capitalism is the greatest aint it.

[oiram]

If Ron Paul gets into office, it's all part of the plan. Boycott the political charade and don't vote.
The one in a million reaction & answer which is the only one which makes logical sense.

But they will find out in a big way & a bang.

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[majorlee]

I think you're reading into things very badly

yes, quite possibly but just as possible as some truths i say

its worth discussion either way

[majorlee]

u know if ron paul says this he is 100%


if u dont vote for me, dont vote at all :P


hahaah i would love to see that done



nudgendgewinkwinkyourknowwhatimean

[supertzar]

why is the constitution worshipped by so many Alex Jones type "truthers". Sure there are many things in it I agree with , but why is it the epitome of law. Its like the founding fathers were some sort of Gods who could never be wrong. They were a bunch of Freemasons who were playing their part in creating the final stages of the NWO, anyone who thinks otherwise is just drinking the cool aid.

Why shouldn't a country so filled with natural resources provide at the very least heavily subsidized post secondary education, its not like it couldn't be done , which would create a much better society. Oh better for private companies to create massive profits, of course its the American way. Capitalism is the greatest aint it.

I think people revere it. I don't know about worship. To me it just is. I mean it is the law of the land so the politicians should follow it. A lot of these abuses are due to "extra"-Constitutional activity. Some of it is in direct conflict with the Constitution. That is why so many people are all about it. I understand they probably had ulterior motives and it was all part of the plan but the Founding Fathers themselves might not have envisioned quite what is going on now.

The education in the USA is the worst in the developed nations. I thought it was bad in the 70's and 80's. Now it is just stupid. They have students doing disjointed lessons from "recommended" texts that fail to teach fundamentals.

Homeland Security funded a web-based system in our school district to electronically monitor each student's "progress" down to the individual homework assignments. Look up Bill Clinton's Education 2000 to find out what the long term goals are and then compare that to what is happening in the schools.

[herzmeister]

For those who don't know about Ron Paul's history, he said that this book launched him into economics and his choosing to be a champion for freedom:

The Road To Serfdom

by F.A. Hayek

http://jim.com/hayek.htm

That was also Ms Iron Lady M. Thatcher's favorite book fyi.

But I guess she sold out Hayek's ideals. Conducting war against Argentina is not very libertarian. :mad:

[steppenwolf]

Nothing against Ron Paul but I am suspicious. Just because he is ignored by the media doesn't mean there isn't an agenda. Obama's media lovefest was obvious. Maybe this is a matter of reverse psychology. Make him seem like the underdog, shunned by the media that most people(whether they consider themselves awake or not) don't trust anyway...I don't know.

Maybe I'm not enthused by him because some of his fan base is super annoying; my boss, in particular. Ever since he hopped on the bandwagon(a few months back) he's been calling everyone "sheep" and "baaahhhh". He is one of the biggest "followers" I've ever met; only his shepherd changes periodically.

[rolf harris]

Nothing against Ron Paul but I am suspicious. Just because he is ignored by the media doesn't mean there isn't an agenda. Obama's media lovefest was obvious. Maybe this is a matter of reverse psychology. Make him seem like the underdog, shunned by the media that most people(whether they consider themselves awake or not) don't trust anyway...I don't know.

+1 and valid point, was watching news coverage today of the latest debate and he didn't even get a mention.....it was msm but not even his name was uttered.....

[steppenwolf]

+1 and valid point, was watching news coverage today of the latest debate and he didn't even get a mention.....it was msm but not even his name was uttered.....

And people have been talking about the media not talking about him ;) he gets the buzz going in a sort of round about way.

It's weird because he's been around for awhile and suddenly his popularity has burst from unground.

I just have really mixed feelings about it. Is it possibly a conspiracy within a conspiracy?:eek:

[shaggy105]

They are setting Ron Paul up to be the fall guy for the republicans. It's going to be Obama vs (whoever) and then Paul as a third party guy. Obama wins, Paul gets all the blame for taking so many votes away from the republican candidate.

[ofgilead]

i just skimmed this thread. everything i've been pondering regarding RP has been said here. His loose links to secret societies and all. There was a period about a month ago, probably during the first or second debate. I got a strange feeling that The Ron Paul campaign is or would be co-opted. The momentum gained would be redirected in other ways.

I hold reservations for the poiltical tap dance, but i also keep in mind that we can't rely strictly on politics to salvage our poor bruised national ego. Let's look at this from a more abstract. there are the powers that be that use politics as a tool. Why are we not using it as a tool? Let's co-opt their game?

TPTB><Polticians>O<Citizens

That space between Politicians and us is where the energy must amass. Bring polity to our ballpark. I think The Ron Paul movement can fall either way. Its a matter of who has the proper infrastructure in place when he is inaugurated and doing his thing. Deregulate to your hearts content Mr. Paul. We will have the force behind us in the wake of federal disintegration.