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thomas_20111
10-01-2012, 01:15 AM
BBC axe investigation into Sir Jimmy Saville and schoolgirls

The BBC launched a two-month probe into sex claims against its own iconic presenter Sir Jimmy Savile... only for it to be axed by executives.

Reporters investigated historic allegations about inappropriate behaviour relating to the Jim’ll Fix It legend.

Bosses of flagship BBC2 show Newsnight launched the investigation into Sir Jimmy in the days after his death on October 29.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2012/01/08/bbc-axe-investigation-into-sir-jimmy-savile-and-schoolgirls-115875-23687556/

dreamweaver
10-01-2012, 01:20 AM
Very interesting. Thanks for the link. :)

rhydra
10-01-2012, 02:11 AM
If Jimmy Savile was into one thing, it wasn't girls. ;)

bigscotsman
10-01-2012, 02:11 AM
"Sir Jim was a rich man who had never married and his life had attracted speculation and gossip"

ask yourself, who really cares about marriage nowadays, so who would even bring it up as a slur? i wonder? maybe a mindset that demands it?


gutter journalism from religious drones

that line alone made me want to puke

dreamweaver
10-01-2012, 02:17 AM
If Jimmy Savile was into one thing, it wasn't girls. ;)

What makes you so sure? The rumours I've heard did involve girls. But they were of course just that, rumours. The Beeb's official reason for closing the investigation is that they found nothing.

I'm interested to hear of these women coming forward though. Wonder if there'll be more coming out now he's gone?

subl1minal
10-01-2012, 02:24 AM
Icke said he was a paedophile and a necrophiliac, funny how the truth slips out when people die.

stelios
10-01-2012, 02:27 AM
If Jimmy Savile was into one thing, it wasn't girls. ;)
It wouldnt surprise me.
He was after all a BBC childrens tv anchorman for over 40 years.
I suspect he was another nonce like Jonathan King another BBC man.

bigscotsman
10-01-2012, 02:27 AM
yes and the mirror picture of the guy was so objective


what a stitch up


you cant be normal if you dont get married and breed

who knows, maybe im wrong, but when the media who embraced him all his life then tell me he was evil after he's a few weeks in the ground , fuck them!

dreamweaver
10-01-2012, 02:31 AM
Icke said he was a paedophile and a necrophiliac, funny how the truth slips out when people die.

Libel laws don't protect them when they're dead. :D

bigscotsman
10-01-2012, 02:32 AM
innocent until proven guilty i reckon


this place gets hysterical over the fucking mirror


good god


truth seekers my arse

steppewar
10-01-2012, 02:35 AM
Libel laws don't protect them when they're dead. :D

David Icke used to call Ted Heath a shapeshifting child killing pedophile when Heath was still alive, and he never sued DI over the allegations.

To this day, he openly calls father George Bush a pedophile and child killer.

dreamweaver
10-01-2012, 02:39 AM
innocent until proven guilty i reckon


this place gets hysterical over the fucking mirror


good god


truth seekers my arse

From the article:

"A Surrey Police spokesman told the Sunday ­Mirror: “In 2007 Surrey Police received a historic allegation alleged to have ­occurred during the 1970s. The claims were ­investigated and no further action was ­taken." A spokesman for the CPS added: "Following an investigation by Surrey Police, the CPS reviewing lawyer advised the police that no further action should be taken due to lack of evidence."

The women's allegations were taken seriously enough by the police to investigate them even if they didn't have enough evidence to make it stick. The BBC's investigation consisted of interviewing these same women.

The fact that this investigation took place is not just something made up by the Mirror.

It's hard to see how anything could be proved at this stage. The allegations date back 40 years and the man they accuse is dead. But it'll be interesting to see if anyone else comes forward now.

dreamweaver
10-01-2012, 02:47 AM
David Icke used to call Ted Heath a shapeshifting child killing pedophile when Heath was still alive, and he never sued DI over the allegations.

To this day, he openly calls father George Bush a pedophile and child killer.

There's two ways you can look at that.

i) He's right and can prove it, and Heath (when he was alive) and Bush wouldn't dare bring it to court because they know Icke could prove it.

ii) The allegations are untrue but it would give Icke the "oxygen of publicity" if they sued him. The case would be a sensational media circus all around the world, probably for weeks or even months. Bear in mind that McDonald's won their libel case but it was a pyrrhic victory as they spent millions on it, against defendants who couldn't repay their costs, and the case basically publicised the London Greenpeace campaigners' leaflet around the world for years. :D So, assuming the Icke claims are untrue, it might be considered an own goal for them to sue him over it.

Take your pick. I think you'll choose i) but ii) is just as viable IMO.

Back on topic, rumours have been rife about Savile being a nonce for years. I heard stuff about his Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It days way back in the 90s. I think Gary Glitter was a mate of his too.

triplesod
10-01-2012, 02:53 AM
Icke said he was a paedophile and a necrophiliac, funny how the truth slips out when people die.

It is.....

In the case of Saville it might have been that if he was going down he was taking other people with him.

stevie0013
10-01-2012, 04:05 AM
He probably was in my opinion but it sickens me how the fucking "beeb" :rolleyes: only wanna run the storey when it suits them, like they don't wanna fuck with a national icon because there arfraid of the backlash.

vagrant
10-01-2012, 05:58 AM
innocent until proven guilty i reckon


this place gets hysterical over the fucking mirror


good god


truth seekers my arse


there's nothing quite like trashing a reputation.

spock
10-01-2012, 06:16 AM
The Peter Sutcliffe connection gets me.
He was seen driving away from one of the murders.
Sutcliffe Described hearing (what he later found out to be) Jimmy drive away. it in the notes from his trial.

The only person to be photographed with the ripper. Was Jimmy.

My gut feeling tells me Jimmy drove around with Sutcliffe. They were a team.

the nine
10-01-2012, 08:38 AM
innocent until proven guilty i reckon


this place gets hysterical over the fucking mirror


good god


truth seekers my arse

Why not do a forum search of Jimmy saville threads, you will see this isn't new..

We have spoken about his uncouth life before on here, some even tried to defend him 'because' he was a free mason if I remember correctly!

majestic1
10-01-2012, 10:24 AM
Heres a rare photo of Jimmy Saville pictured at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey, the notorious care home at the centre of a huge child abuse scandal.

When asked if he had ever visited Haut de la Garenne he denied it until this photo surfaced and was then forced to admit he had been there.

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq204/hawkeyeflame/jim.jpg

hadabusa
10-01-2012, 11:10 AM
meanwhile

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084370/Paedophile-ONE-MILLION-sickening-images-child-abuse-spared-jail.html

phreaky
10-01-2012, 12:18 PM
meanwhile

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084370/Paedophile-ONE-MILLION-sickening-images-child-abuse-spared-jail.html

WTF?

He was also made the subject of a curfew, a two-year supervision order and told he must undergo a sex offenders treatment programme.

Does that treatment involve a pair of house bricks?

rhydra
10-01-2012, 12:29 PM
It wouldnt surprise me.
He was after all a BBC childrens tv anchorman for over 40 years.
I suspect he was another nonce like Jonathan King another BBC man.

A relative of mine was about in those days and Jimmy Savile was always in the company of young gentlemen who didn't seem to be musicians. ;)

I'm not certain about the actual child abuse allegations now though, if he had been a rampant kiddie fiddler I'm pretty sure something would have come out before he died, bigger people have been caught.

Since he's shuffled away from the protection of libel laws there would have been a flood of firm evidence before his body had gone cold.

thomas_20111
12-01-2012, 08:25 PM
"Sir Jim was a rich man who had never married and his life had attracted speculation and gossip"

ask yourself, who really cares about marriage nowadays, so who would even bring it up as a slur? i wonder? maybe a mindset that demands it?


gutter journalism from religious drones

that line alone made me want to puke


What has it got to do with it whether he was married or not?

The point is four women came forward and made statements against Jimmy Saville to the police about what they say he did to them when they were girls at a home he visited regularly, but it was covered up and the BBC won't allow it to be reported on Newsnight.

thomas_20111
12-01-2012, 08:28 PM
What makes you so sure? The rumours I've heard did involve girls. But they were of course just that, rumours. The Beeb's official reason for closing the investigation is that they found nothing.

I'm interested to hear of these women coming forward though. Wonder if there'll be more coming out now he's gone?


It appears it's more than rumours. The Crown Prosecution Service were sent the file but apparently Jimmy has friends in 'high places'.

thomas_20111
12-01-2012, 08:34 PM
innocent until proven guilty i reckon


this place gets hysterical over the fucking mirror


good god


truth seekers my arse


OK, it's pretty obvious you are a massive Jimmy Saville fan so you're not going to read the information with a calm reasoned attitude.

It is not the Mirror newspaper making it up, the fact are there, the Newsnight team had four women on interview to speak out about what he did to them at a home when he was a regular visitor there and he took them out by themselves, one girl at a time in his car, for his 'trips'.

And it is not just after he is dead, the four women went top the police in 2007and the CPS buried the file after pressure from Jimmy Saville's friends.

Explain why Jimmy Saville visited a children's home with no media present (not for charity purposes because the home got the money anyway) and took the girls out alone in his car, why? And why the girls tried to avoid him but the home turned a blind eye to it because of his position with certain people and the BBC.

thomas_20111
12-01-2012, 08:37 PM
It is.....

In the case of Saville it might have been that if he was going down he was taking other people with him.


Good point. They all have to cover for each other, one because they want to and it enables them to do what they like, and two because they would all stab each other in the back and, as you say, take others down with them if they got into trouble for it.

thomas_20111
12-01-2012, 08:39 PM
The Peter Sutcliffe connection gets me.
He was seen driving away from one of the murders.
Sutcliffe Described hearing (what he later found out to be) Jimmy drive away. it in the notes from his trial.

The only person to be photographed with the ripper. Was Jimmy.

My gut feeling tells me Jimmy drove around with Sutcliffe. They were a team.


If it's in the notes from the trial where did you read it? Any links to this?

thomas_20111
12-01-2012, 08:44 PM
I'm not certain about the actual child abuse allegations now though, if he had been a rampant kiddie fiddler I'm pretty sure something would have come out before he died, bigger people have been caught.


According to your 'logic' no pedos are currently hidden from the public by people protecting them. :rolleyes:

Also, how 'big' they are has nothing to do with it.

pheony
12-01-2012, 08:45 PM
Didn't Coleen Nolan state publicly that JS had touched her inappropriately?

skanny
12-01-2012, 09:46 PM
Icke said he was a paedophile and a necrophiliac, funny how the truth slips out when people die.



accusations from randoms dont mean anything without proof. :rolleyes:

dreamweaver
13-01-2012, 02:06 PM
It appears it's more than rumours. The Crown Prosecution Service were sent the file but apparently Jimmy has friends in 'high places'.

Alternatively, there genuinely may not have been anything of substance to it. These days the police follow procedure and let the CPS decide whether there's a case or not. It's better than the "good old days" when the police made their own decisions on which cases to prosecute and send to the "police court" (as magistrates' courts used to be called), which was often conveniently next door to the station.

It could just as easily be true that the CPS were leaned on to protect Savile. We'll never know, of course, because there's no transparency in these things. I'm curious to know if Savile was ever charged - files are normally sent to the CPS when a suspect is charged after all.

voxvot
13-01-2012, 02:21 PM
Don't get me wrong, I believe in the death penalty for peadophiles, rapist, and people who wear these new cargo pants with the dropped, "shit in the pants" crotch and elasticated cuffs, but, Saville's quip about being a feared wrestler in girls schools, seems to be more of a self denigrating reference to his wrestling prowess, rather than a sly boast about his sexual preferences. Leaving that aside, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't substance to these allegations, very shady, gauche, naff and unsavory fellow.

richardp
13-01-2012, 02:35 PM
Jimmy Savile was born in Leeds and was the youngest of seven ostriches. He almost died of pneumonia at the age of five months, but the doctor fixed it for him to have a new pair of lungs. He was conscripted during World War II to work as a coal miner in West Yorkshire. He suffered serious spinal injuries in an explosion and spent long periods in recuperation, learning the differences between a landmine and a saucepan lid.

Savile claimed to be the first ever disc jockey - a person who selects or plays recorded music for an audience. This claim was later withdrawn when he discovered that people already had gramophones in their houses. According to his autobiography, he was the 'first person to use two turntables and a microphone at the Guardbridge Hotel in 1947.' Even then, Jimmy was hitting the casino heavily and giving the clientele a live commentary on his losses.

He became a semi-professional sportsman, working as a cyclist and a professional wrestler. He said, 'If you look at the athletics of it, I've done over 300 bike races, 212 marathons and 107 pro fights. I lost all of my first 35 fights. So from start to finish I got a good beating. I've broken every bone in my body. I loved it,' he said, from his cage in the Vietnamese labour camp.

Savile later lived in Salford, Manchester, and was often seen sitting on his front door steps. He claims to be the first burglar alarm. He worked in Essex between 1955 and 1956, as a manager at the Palais in Ilford. His Monday evening records-only sessions, admission one shilling, were a huge favourite with local teens, until police discovered some kids had been paying him an extra shilling to balance a cigar on his cock.

He started his career as a DJ at Radio Luxembourg from 1958 to 1967, but had to leave as colleagues were unable to understand his northern French accent. On 25th December 2005 and 1st January 2007, he presented shows on the Real Radio network. The Christmas 2005 show counted down festive top 10s of 10 to 30 years previously, while the New Year 2007 show featured Savile recounting anecdotes from his past, such as fire-bombing corner shops, playing snooker with dogs and betting on squirrels.

On New Year's Day, 1964, he presented the first edition of the BBC music chart television programme Top of the Pops from a television studio – a converted church – in Dickenson Road, Manchester. In 2006 he also co-hosted the final edition, ending the show with the words, 'It's number one, it's still top of the pops,' before being shown turning off the studio lights, and then accidentally bulldozing the synagogue next door.

Savile is also remembered for a series of Public Information Films promoting road safety, notably 'Clunk Click Every Trip' which promoted the use of car seatbelts, the clunk representing the sound of the door, and the click the sound of a handgun against the driver's head. He also fronted a long-running series of advertisements in the early 1980s for British Rail's Intercity 125, in which he declared, 'This is the age of the train', to describe the rail infrastructure's technological prowess. This was rebranded in 2011 as 'This is the age of the cancellation and the replacement camel.'

He was interviewed by Dr. Anthony Clare for the radio series In the Psychiatrist's Chair, where Savile appeared to be 'a man without feelings.' Dr. Clare later withdrew his comment when he discovered that Savile's English behaviour was normal. Savile visited the Celebrity Big Brother house in 2006. During these visits he 'fixed it' for some of the housemates to have their wishes come true; for example, Pete Burns received a message from a friend, rekindling his dream of meeting the salmon who had swapped faces with him. Dennis Rodman traded Savile's offering for a supply of cigarettes to the other housemates - a kind gesture, but unfortunately Savile only had two left in the packet. In 2007, Savile returned to TV with Jim'll Fix It Strikes Again, where a mechanic's mate does a careless job of fixing a broken chassis and charges twice the estimated bill.

Savile was famous for his yodel and his catchphrases included 'how's about that, then?', 'now then, now then, now then', 'goodness gracious', 'as it 'appens' and 'guys and gals'. How could any of us forget Mr. Punch? Savile was frequently spoofed for his distinctive appearance, which almost always consisted of a track suit or shell suit, along with gold jewellery, a cigar, a pair of Uzis, a bag of weed and expensive shades. The jewellery was genuine and belonged to him, although the shell suit was stolen from a lobster.

He was named as one of the Radio Times 'Top 40 most eccentric TV presenters of all time' in July 2004. A bachelor, Savile lived with his mother, whom he referred to as 'The Duchess', and kept her bedroom and wardrobe exactly as it was when she died - on top of her. Every year he had her clothes dry cleaned. You can't risk forensics, can you? Goodness gracious!

When interviewed by the BBC in 2008 and asked about the revival of Top of the Pops for a Christmas comeback, he commented that he would welcome a 'cameo role' in the programme, but staff at the BBC declined his request to smoke a joint on set.

Saville's personal relationships were rarely the subject of media report or comment. He claimed in his autobiography, however, that he was no stranger to intimate relations with members of the opposite sex, describing his first introduction to women in detail and then adding, 'There have been trains and, with apologies to the hit parade, boats and planes -I am a member of the 40,000 ft club - and bushes and fields, corridors, doorways, floors, chairs, slag heaps, desks and probably everything except the celebrated chandelier and ironing board. Basically, there isn't anything I haven't had sex with.' It was later discovered that 'slag heaps' was Savile's reference to a pile of Essex girls.

Savile worked as a volunteer at Leeds General Infirmary and at Broadmoor Hospital. In 1988 he was appointed chairman of a task force set up to advise on governing Broadmoor, as the board felt it necessary to use an escaped patient's testimony to figure out ways to strengthen security.

His funeral took place at Leeds Cathedral on 9th November 2011, and he was buried on 10th November in the seaside town of Scarborough. As his will had specified, his coffin was inclined at 45 degrees to fulfil his wish to 'see the sea', just like old times when he used to go to the beach - wearing a restraint mask while bound and strapped to an aisle chair.

zegzy
13-01-2012, 02:43 PM
"Sir Jim was a rich man who had never married and his life had attracted speculation and gossip"

ask yourself, who really cares about marriage nowadays, so who would even bring it up as a slur? i wonder? maybe a mindset that demands it?


gutter journalism from religious drones

that line alone made me want to puke

I agree. I would bet my life upon it that the vast majority of mature adults in the UK who sexually abuse young girls are either married or have been married. There would have to be a reason why that journalist inserted that slur, i'm not so sure that it is to do with religion though. It may well be just another example of the old-age divide and rule trick being pulled on the masses. Had the article been referring to an accusation of sexual abuse of young boys the slur would still have made little sense but may have had some relevance.

godner
13-01-2012, 03:10 PM
It's generally well known that JS popped his cherry at 14 in a train compartment.
Now, assuming the girlie involved was of a similar age, does that mean he was a paedo? :D

voxvot
13-01-2012, 03:17 PM
I agree. I would bet my life upon it that the vast majority of mature adults in the UK who sexually abuse young girls are either married or have been married. There would have to be a reason why that journalist inserted that slur, i'm not so sure that it is to do with religion though. It may well be just another example of the old-age divide and rule trick being pulled on the masses. Had the article been referring to an accusation of sexual abuse of young boys the slur would still have made little sense but may have had some relevance.

I'm pretty sure that if Mr Saville had been known to have had any normal relationships with adults, either male, or female, the media wouldn't have made this reference, it's just a code or shorthand that highlights some truthful facts about Saville, so for this reason I'd have to give the media a pass on this one.

zegzy
13-01-2012, 03:19 PM
"Sir Jim was a rich man who had never married and his life had attracted speculation and gossip"

ask yourself, who really cares about marriage nowadays, so who would even bring it up as a slur? i wonder? maybe a mindset that demands it?


gutter journalism from religious drones

that line alone made me want to puke
I agree. I would bet my life upon it that the vast majority of mature adults in the UK who sexually abuse young girls are either married or have been married. There would have to be a reason why that journalist inserted that slur, i'm not so sure that it is to do with religion though. It may well be just another example of the old-age divide and rule trick being pulled on the masses. Had the article been referring to an accusation of sexual abuse of young boys the slur would still have made little sense but may have had some relevance.
I'm pretty sure that if Mr Saville had been known to have had any normal relationships with adults, either male, or female, the media wouldn't have made this reference, it's just a code or shorthand that highlights some truthful facts about Saville, so for this reason I'd have to give the media a pass on this one.

I disagree.

voxvot
13-01-2012, 03:36 PM
I disagree.

Couldn't give us just a little hint at why you might disagree?

zegzy
13-01-2012, 03:44 PM
Couldn't give us just a little hint at why you might disagree?

If you can give us a little hint of why you are "pretty sure", i will yes. :)

largejack
13-01-2012, 03:53 PM
Are the BBC finally listening to David icke?

voxvot
13-01-2012, 03:58 PM
If you can give us a little hint of why you are "pretty sure", i will yes. :)

I'll repeat for your benefit: Although the fact that Mr Saville wasn't married is not in itself significant, drawing attention to his relationship status, does lead us to the realization that this was a man who didn't have any known sexual relationships/partnerships with an adult of either sex.

From this I draw two conclusions: either Saville was asexual, or his sexual interests were not directed toward adults. Could be either, but his interest in children and the fact that he apparently lied/forgot about visiting a notorious children's home, which was the location of the extensive abuse of children, makes me strongly suspect that he was a pedophile.

You seem to think that this is an irrational chain of facts and conclusions. I'd be curious to know why.

zegzy
13-01-2012, 04:42 PM
I'll repeat for your benefit: Although the fact that Mr Saville wasn't married is not in itself significant, drawing attention to his relationship status, does lead us to the realization that this was a man who didn't have any known sexual relationships/partnerships with an adult of either sex.

From this I draw two conclusions: either Saville was asexual, or his sexual interests were not directed toward adults. Could be either, but his interest in children and the fact that he apparently lied/forgot about visiting a notorious children's home, which was the location of the extensive abuse of children, makes me strongly suspect that he was a pedophile.

You seem to think that this is an irrational chain of facts and conclusions. I'd be curious to know why.

Your either could just as easily be neither. You make a presumption based upon very little (if any) facts and no conclusions. I will stick with what i said in the post. Whether Saville was married or not is of no significance at all to the allegation made against him be it true or not. Your belief that whether a man is married or not is of significance in such a case is no different to someone believing that a man is more likely to be innocent of such an offence if he happens to have been married at some time during his life, that belief is just ludicrously silly.

voxvot
13-01-2012, 05:23 PM
Your either could just as easily be neither. You make a presumption based upon very little (if any) facts and no conclusions. I will stick with what i said in the post. Whether Saville was married or not is of no significance at all to the allegation made against him be it true or not. Your belief that whether a man is married or not is of significance in such a case is no different to someone believing that a man is more likely to be innocent of such an offence if he happens to have been married at some time during his life, that belief is just ludicrously silly.

You're not getting this are you? His unmarried status wouldn't be of any significance if there was any record of him having had any romantic relationships with adults. If he had he'd be either gay, or, like Simon Cowell, a straight man who didn't want to commit. As I said (twice) this doesn't mean he was a pedo, but it does indicate a lack of interest in sexual relationships with adults. This coupled with his lies about his connection to the now notorious children's home should make anyone suspicious enough to look further into this character. Either Saville was asexual, or his sexual interests were not directed toward adults, and, no it can't be "neither". Savilles status as unmarried is significant in the context of other facts we know about Saville, to suggest that to come to this conclusion, evinces a belief that anyone who is married, in the absence of other facts, is, ipso fact, innocent of any charges of pedophilia, is absolute nonsense. Think you have to rethink that one.

zegzy
13-01-2012, 05:28 PM
You're not getting this are you? His unmarried status wouldn't be of any significance if there was any record of him having had any romantic relationships with adults. If he had he'd be either gay, or, like Simon Cowell, a straight man who didn't want to commit. As I said (twice) this doesn't mean he was a pedo, but it does indicate a lack of interest in sexual relationships with adults. This coupled with his lies about his connection to the now notorious children's home should make anyone suspicious enough to look further into this character. Either Saville was asexual, or his sexual interests were not directed toward adults, and, no it can't be "neither". Savilles status as unmarried is significant in the context of other facts we know about Saville, to suggest that to come to this conclusion, evinces a belief that anyone who is married, in the absence of other facts, is, ipso fact, innocent of any charges of pedophilia, is absolute nonsense. Think you have to rethink that one.

It is you that is not getting it. Now you are just running around in circles chasing your tail. :p I have nothing more to add, be careful not to make yourself too dizzy, seeyaaaaaaaaaaa!

cont
13-01-2012, 05:32 PM
You're not getting this are you? His unmarried status wouldn't be of any significance if there was any record of him having had any romantic relationships with adults.

He could

1. be cripplingly shy (not all men are confident with women)

2. have had few opportunities to meet new people

3. have had high demands, and had not found his woman yet (perhaps unreasonably high demands)


You can't make assumptions like you are doing. It's not evidence.


zegzy, google "The Tap Savile"

voxvot
13-01-2012, 07:06 PM
He could

1. be cripplingly shy (not all men are confident with women)

2. have had few opportunities to meet new people

3. have had high demands, and had not found his woman yet (perhaps unreasonably high demands)


You can't make assumptions like you are doing. It's not evidence.


zegzy, google "The Tap Savile"

Point 3: Having high demands usually allows room for liaisons to actually begin, what with love being notoriously blind and all that. In Saville's case there is no known evidence of any sexual contact with adults.

Saville had few opportunities to meet new people and was shy! LOL! Did you break your fingernails when you scraped the bottom of the barrel?

missx
13-01-2012, 07:20 PM
Richardp thanks for your post it was really funny.

cont
13-01-2012, 07:37 PM
In Saville's case there is no known evidence of any sexual contact with adults.


That might be an indicator. You present an indicator in the same way someone else might present evidence, which it is not. It could be a false indicator. There are many perverts who are married.

Savile lied when he said he hadn't been to the Jersey care home. That's evidence of something.

konformation
13-01-2012, 07:59 PM
That might be an indicator. You present an indicator in the same way someone else might present evidence, which it is not. It could be a false indicator. There are many perverts who are married.

Savile lied when he said he hadn't been to the Jersey care home. That's evidence of something.

yes. That's evidence he was a liar - which goes against the image he so carefully cultivated: as the eccentric, generous benefactor who would 'do anything for kids'...

You do have to ask why did he risk being caught out lying about the Jersey Care home , or was it that he knew he would get away with it if found out?

zegzy
13-01-2012, 08:25 PM
zegzy, google "The Tap Savile"

cont, i have no interest in the Saville case in regards to guilty or not. I only took an interest in how the case against is presented in this thread, the reference to him never having married in particular is a moot point.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084039/BBC-axes-expos-Jimmy-Savile-teen-sex-allegations.html#ixzz1jN7VLj92

A Surrey Police spokesman said that in 2007 the force ‘received a historic allegation alleged to have occurred during the 1970s’. He said: ‘The claims were investigated and no further action was taken.’
A spokesman for the Crown Prosecution Service said: ‘Following an investigation by Surrey Police, the CPS reviewing lawyer advised the police that no further action should be taken due to lack of evidence.’
The BBC’s decision to investigate Sir Jimmy upset his friends and family.
Niece Janet Humble said: ‘It looks like muckraking. As a family we just wish Sir Jim could be left to rest in peace. He did more good than bad in his life and how many celebrities can say that?’
His friend of 30 years Stephen Purdew, who helped organise the star’s funeral, said: ‘These are allegations from 40 years ago. He’s not even alive to defend himself. Sir Jim was a great man, a legend who should be remembered for all the wonderful things he did for other people.’
As well as presenting Top of the Pops and Jim’ll Fix It for many years, Sir Jimmy raised £40million for charitable causes.

Last month divorcee Georgina Ray, 40, claimed to be Sir Jimmy’s secret love child.

She said her mother had a brief fling with the presenter while working as a waitress in the 1970s, and that she is seeking a DNA test to prove she is Sir Jimmy’s daughter.

griffinman
13-01-2012, 09:53 PM
oOooooouuuruuguuOOOOoooo how's about that then.

voxvot
13-01-2012, 09:55 PM
cont, i have no interest in the Saville case in regards to guilty or not. I only took an interest in how the case against is presented in this thread, the reference to him never having married in particular is a moot point.

I take your point, but I think it's a bit misapplied. My interpretation of the "never married" assertion is that it was a kind of covert way of drawing attention to Mr Saville's relationship history. He's definitely a bit odd and he lied about his contact with the Jersey children's home. The story seemed to unfold with some allegations made against Saville. One of these allegations was that he was connected to the Jersey care home in question, which Saville denied. He was clearly lying about that, which kind of lends credence to the other allegations. I'm not saying it's crown court prosecution gold, but there's definitely reasonable grounds for suspicion and investigation. That being said, I my be crediting the press with more subtlety they they merit.

theabominablephenomenon
13-01-2012, 09:56 PM
oOooooouuuruuguuOOOOoooo how's about that then.

My old man knew Saville in his youth.

Said he was a dick.

griffinman
13-01-2012, 09:57 PM
My old man knew Saville in his youth.

Said he was a dick.

Had to do it, one more time.:D

theabominablephenomenon
13-01-2012, 10:03 PM
Had to do it, one more time.:D

How great was that chair he had?
Totally mint.... for being persuasive to kids.

LCP
13-01-2012, 10:25 PM
Saville..One minuet he's lurking around children left right and centre, then he's hanging out with Peter Sutcliffe and in his spare time he's loitering in hostpitals and Haute De La Garrenne. Gary Glitter, Jonathon King and Alan "fluff" Freeman all pals of his..Now any enquiries into his behaviour is quashed by the BBC. He really did have freinds in high places didn't he.

ndc777
13-01-2012, 11:21 PM
Jimmy's-a-Vile's old Range Rover is up for sale:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086103/How-Jimmy-fixed-Range-Rover-LIVE-DJ-Saviles-bizarre-converted-4x4-complete-bed-sink-auction.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/13/article-2086103-0F71490B00000578-7_634x334.jpg

Note the registration: YBL 322T

vegan_on_the_land
13-01-2012, 11:23 PM
When did Jimbo deny being at the Jersey care home? Was it after the truth came out about what happened there? If so, he might have feared being suspected. The photograph shows him being there as part of his Jim'll Fix It programme. If he was aware of accusations against him and he became aware of what went on at the home, he might have thought it best to distance himself from any connection with the home. That is a possibility.

If he was friends with Glitter and King, why weren't they protected? Presumably, they could have dropped him in it.

If he had strange sexual urges it's likely he would have had them in his teens and twenties. Have there been any accusations from that time - before he supposedly had protection from powerful people? I know that would be difficult to discover because those sorts of crimes were often swept under the carpet then or disbelieved.

It still all seems to be rumours about a very unconventional individual. But there are many unconventional individuals. Now let's be honest, there are quite a lot of members on this forum who most people would consider unconventional with unconventional beliefs and obsessions. It is easier to accuse those who are different. Once it starts, others are more likely to jump on the bandwagon.

misscynical
13-01-2012, 11:40 PM
Are the BBC finally listening to David icke?

Yes. One of the robots on QI this evening mentioned Icke's theory about the Royal Family being 7 ft reptiles. It came as a surprise to me, since I'd never heard a mainstream voice bring that up before.

:rolleyes:

leon11
13-01-2012, 11:45 PM
Jimmy's-a-Vile's old Range Rover is up for sale:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086103/How-Jimmy-fixed-Range-Rover-LIVE-DJ-Saviles-bizarre-converted-4x4-complete-bed-sink-auction.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/13/article-2086103-0F71490B00000578-7_634x334.jpg

Note the registration: YBL 322T

:O

leon11
13-01-2012, 11:49 PM
jimmy's-a-vile's old range rover is up for sale:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086103/how-jimmy-fixed-range-rover-live-dj-saviles-bizarre-converted-4x4-complete-bed-sink-auction.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/13/article-2086103-0f71490b00000578-7_634x334.jpg

note the registration: Ybl 322t

y b l = 25 2 12

25 + 2 + 12 = 39 = 12

2+5 + 2 + 1+2 = 12

25 = 7, 2 = 2, 12 = 3
7 + 2 + 3 = 12

spock
14-01-2012, 12:20 AM
If it's in the notes from the trial where did you read it? Any links to this?

http://www.execulink.com/~kbrannen/trialall.pdf


The best I can do at the moment is this.
I haven't checked this PDF properly as I'm on my phone.

If anyone else has any more info on Saville and Sutcliffe please post it up.

nirvana
14-01-2012, 08:56 AM
Icke said he was a paedophile and a necrophiliac, funny how the truth slips out when people die.


Icke has said alot of things true and false.:rolleyes:

nirvana
14-01-2012, 09:01 AM
accusations from randoms dont mean anything without proof. :rolleyes:


Why do we need proof? This is the Icke forum everyone in the public eye is a reptilian and a paedaphile.;)

totallybonkers
14-01-2012, 09:15 AM
"vile old Range Rover" - that is a collector's vehicle, it will sell quickly. Who cares about some contrived significance to the numbers, seems to be a case of too much time on one's hands ;)

It is sad to see so many people wanting to "Fix Jim" - maybe it would be better to look at if there is still a peedo ring going on, using any info that Jim might have generated to investigate current activity.

As for associations, sure I bet Jim did meet and know J. King and G.Glitter so on that logic, he knew Elvis and Prince Charles does that make them peedos too?. Jim would have known so many people, it's a part of his job. Again, time to move forward I think, try and look for current peedo groups.

EDIT: I've just seen the above comment #64, nirvana :)

beldazar
14-01-2012, 11:37 AM
seems to be a case of too much time on one's hands

I wonder who coined this phrase and why is it parrotted so much?
It seems like the opposite is the case for the majority of the human population.
I guess we should all be working like dogs and not have time to think. :rolleyes:

the nine
14-01-2012, 11:49 AM
I wonder who coined this phrase and why is it parrotted so much?
It seems like the opposite is the case for the majority of the human population.
I guess we should all be working like dogs and not have time to think. :rolleyes:

Yes indeed bel'
'Like the devil will find work for idle hands to do'

Social conditioning of the serfs, dished out by the serfs :mad:

o_rourke
14-01-2012, 12:33 PM
When did Jimbo deny being at the Jersey care home? Was it after the truth came out about what happened there? If so, he might have feared being suspected. The photograph shows him being there as part of his Jim'll Fix It programme. If he was aware of accusations against him and he became aware of what went on at the home, he might have thought it best to distance himself from any connection with the home. That is a possibility.

If he was friends with Glitter and King, why weren't they protected? Presumably, they could have dropped him in it.

If he had strange sexual urges it's likely he would have had them in his teens and twenties. Have there been any accusations from that time - before he supposedly had protection from powerful people? I know that would be difficult to discover because those sorts of crimes were often swept under the carpet then or disbelieved.

It still all seems to be rumours about a very unconventional individual. But there are many unconventional individuals. Now let's be honest, there are quite a lot of members on this forum who most people would consider unconventional with unconventional beliefs and obsessions. It is easier to accuse those who are different. Once it starts, others are more likely to jump on the bandwagon.

Does it matter when he denied it?

The facts are that he did and not why he denied it.

It would've been better if he just admitted that he was there condidering that he was there 'officially' for his 'Jim Will Fix It' show.

Other people on the production would've backed him up on that capacity if so.

However, the fact that he tried to distance himself from being there and having it obliterated from history completely, has me thinking what else has he tried to obliterate from history that we don't yet know about?

And four women coming forward with 'reported' police allegations against him, but again covered up or obliterated from history, is still four people versus one person. And also the fact that it was buried long before he was, suggests to me a massive coverup and protection because this person has friends (and other paedos) in high places.

It's not like the CPS would ever do such a thing. The Holly Greig and the Dunblane massacre should ring alarm bells for starters? Again we had people in 'high places' on both of these cases.

kiwimaj
14-01-2012, 01:08 PM
Wasn't there also an 'investigation' into the Hollie Grieg case by the BBC..then axed? hmm...could it be, say, the 'reporters' are simply gathering info from people connected..and there never was going to be a televised documentary? Why on earth would they spend money on something that would never be sactioned in the first place? Makes no sense..again, unless those reporters are stooges just trying to gather info..

They could def make a documentary, and the angle would be.."he was squeeky clean afterall.." ? Anyway, again, I doubt if there ever was going to be a legit documentary made, it simply would never have been started in the first place..especially, unless saville went completely against his puppet masters, and publicly humiliated, but as this never seemed to happen whilst he was alive, I doubt if they would bring anything up that would show one of their fellow employees in a bad light..jonathon king obviously was a very naughty boy, hence him being publicly humiliated and sent down..;)



:cool:

BBC axe investigation into Sir Jimmy Saville and schoolgirls



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2012/01/08/bbc-axe-investigation-into-sir-jimmy-savile-and-schoolgirls-115875-23687556/

o_rourke
14-01-2012, 01:22 PM
Wasn't there also an 'investigation' into the Hollie Grieg case by the BBC..then axed? hmm...could it be, say, the 'reporters' are simply gathering info from people connected..and there never was going to be a televised documentary? Why on earth would they spend money on something that would never be sactioned in the first place? Makes no sense..again, unless those reporters are stooges just trying to gather info..

They could def make a documentary, and the angle would be.."he was squeeky clean afterall.." ? Anyway, again, I doubt if there ever was going to be a legit documentary made, it simply would never have been started in the first place..especially, unless saville went completely against his puppet masters, and publicly humiliated, but as this never seemed to happen whilst he was alive, I doubt if they would bring anything up that would show one of their fellow employees in a bad light..jonathon king obviously was a very naughty boy, hence him being publicly humiliated and sent down..;)



:cool:

Yes, the BBC again axed a documentary about the Holly Greig case that was meant to go out. Mark Daly from BBC Scotland was told by his bosses to drop the case.

Video link here:

BBC's Mark Daly v Robert Green 1 of 6 hollie greig case - YouTube

cathar
14-01-2012, 01:46 PM
Jimmy Savile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Albert Brooks,the comedian,actor,& film maker had a very low opinion of disc jockeys...

he ranked them along with lawyers.....just saying......;)


according to wiki..Savile lived with his mother until she died.....& kept her room exactly as she left it....

not exactly normal behavior for a straight man..

warwick
14-01-2012, 01:50 PM
If it's in the notes from the trial where did you read it? Any links to this?

I've posted it before, hold up....how do I search my posts?

warwick
14-01-2012, 01:55 PM
booya:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=188796&highlight=sutcliffe

Jimmy Savilles car...
http://www.execulink.com/~kbrannen/trialall.pdf
(go to the binoculars and enter the word 'jimmy' in to the search to find the case note, sutcliffe definately mentions this. The fact he found out later it was jimmys savilles house the car was pulling away from is strange when you consider their future friendship.
(right click go to find and type savile)
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost....&postcount=137


The photo with bruno and the ripper with jimmy looking on raises both eyebrows also....
The fact he is even friends with a serial killer is crazy really.

ronisron
14-01-2012, 02:38 PM
When he was alive, he could've shot off his mouth, now that he's dead, they can throw him to the curb. People know there is pedophilia at the higehst levels of government and entertainment, so every once in a while, these little accusations and investigations come out so that they can isolate the incidents and attempt to make them appear as such. This lone wolf, and that lone wolf, crazy they were. Of course with any further scrutiny, you can see that this one, was associated with that one, and this one is a billionaire with associations to Prince Andrew..... and so on.

Wasn't Monsewer Saville involved in that Jersey orphange scandal? At least his name came up in passing. Is anyone surprised, and really :eek: by the possibility that the greatest joke to the higher ups at the BBC be that a pedo becomes a "respected" children's show host?

thomas_20111
14-01-2012, 10:25 PM
I would bet my life upon it that the vast majority of mature adults in the UK who sexually abuse young girls are either married or have been married.

That is just plain daft. :rolleyes:

You would 'bet your life' on it. LOL.

Making a guess like that without posting any hard facts and evidence is a waste of your time.

thomas_20111
14-01-2012, 10:28 PM
I'm pretty sure that if Mr Saville had been known to have had any normal relationships with adults, either male, or female, the media wouldn't have made this reference, it's just a code or shorthand that highlights some truthful facts about Saville, so for this reason I'd have to give the media a pass on this one.


Good point. The whole marriage thing IS relevant in Jimmy Saville's case and does not automatically transfer across the population. Why a couple of people have become defensive in the thread about whether being married or not affects the chance of someone being a pedo is just daft.

thomas_20111
14-01-2012, 10:38 PM
Didn't Coleen Nolan state publicly that JS had touched her inappropriately?

Yes she did. Try watching this YouTube video, go forward to 3.30 min and she what she says about Jimmy Saville being "all over her"(she was 14 years old at the time) and how he is squeezing her also in the clip.

nolans documentry - YouTube

zegzy
14-01-2012, 10:43 PM
That is just plain daft. :rolleyes:

You would 'bet your life' on it. LOL.

Making a guess like that without posting any hard facts and evidence is a waste of your time.

Gary Glitter was married, there is a start for you. If you want more, google is your friend. ;)

The whole marriage thing IS relevant in Jimmy Saville's case. Why a couple of people have become defensive in the thread about whether being married or not affects the chance of someone being a pedo is just daft.

It is just as well the jury who convicted Gary Glitter didn't share your silly beliefs. The fact that you believe that whether a person is or has ever been married should be considered when weighing up a case of alleged sexual offences is plain daft. :rolleyes:

thomas_20111
14-01-2012, 10:50 PM
More background on the mindset and attitude of Jimmy Saville in his own words.

He explains what a self-punter is. No manager, no agent, no secretary, no nothing. In the 50s, when Savile was running dancehalls in the north, he earned himself a reputation as a hard man. Savile, the most Jewish Catholic you'll ever meet, asks me if I've been to Israel, and whether I've heard of a sabra - a pear that's prickly on the outside and soft and sweet on the inside. That's me, he says. Is he physically tough? "If you look at the athletics of it, I've done over 300 professional bike races, 212 marathons and 107 pro fights." He proudly announces that he lost 35 of his first 35 fights. "No wrestler wanted to go back home and say a long-haired disc jockey had put him down. So from start to finish I got a good hiding. I've broken every bone in my body. I loved it."

The creepiest moment in the documentary occurs late at night when he thinks the camera is off, and he talks about the dancehall days. "I wouldn't stand for any nonsense whatsoever. Ever, ever. I never threw anybody out. Tied them up and put them down in the bloody boiler house until I was ready for them. Two o'clock in the fucking morning... We'd tie em up and then we'd come back and I was the judge, jury and executioner. If a copper came and said 'You were a bit heavy with those two guys', I'd say 'Your daughter comes in here, she's 16, she's not supposed to come into town. Presumably you'd like me to look after her. If you don't want me to look after her, tell me and I'll let them dirty slags do what they want to her.' "


So he liked to tie people up and beat them or worse.

And obviously thought he was above the law and as he says the police let him get away with it, why was that then?

thomas_20111
14-01-2012, 10:58 PM
Your either could just as easily be neither. You make a presumption based upon very little (if any) facts and no conclusions. I will stick with what i said in the post. Whether Saville was married or not is of no significance at all to the allegation made against him be it true or not. Your belief that whether a man is married or not is of significance in such a case is no different to someone believing that a man is more likely to be innocent of such an offence if he happens to have been married at some time during his life, that belief is just ludicrously silly.

Voxvot did not state that at all.

In fact the main points about Jimmy Saville being a pedo are,

The accusations made against him to the police that went to the CPS.

He touched up a 14 year old Nolan sister.

He got a lawyer to cover up photos showing him at a children's home in Jersey where abuse DID occur.

And other points also raised earlier in this thread (re-read).

Get off the marriage issue (which has only been raised by certain people in this thread to distract from the real issues involved) and answer the other points you are avoiding.

thomas_20111
14-01-2012, 11:10 PM
He could

1. be cripplingly shy (not all men are confident with women)


You're not seriously suggesting that Jimmy Saville was a shy person? I'm not going to even bother to explain why because it so obvious he was not the least bit shy.


2. have had few opportunities to meet new people


So, him being everything from a professional wrestler, dancehall manager to TV presenter denied him access to a wide social circle.:rolleyes: As well as the obvious he was well known for being a socialite among the rich and famous. What you are suggesting is laughable.


3. have had high demands, and had not found his woman yet (perhaps unreasonably high demands)



That is not what Jimmy Saville says about women, he says he was not interested in any sex with women, end of, and that comes from the man himself.

Either you are trying to play Devil's Advocate (not very well as you are just sounding daft) or you need to think carefully about how your words relate directly to Jimmy Saville because your suggestions are laughable.

If you want to play Devil's advocate you can't make statements that are clearly not applicable to Jimmy Saville in the slightest.

thomas_20111
14-01-2012, 11:14 PM
If he had strange sexual urges it's likely he would have had them in his teens and twenties.

Why would you think that?

Clearly you are wrong.

thomas_20111
14-01-2012, 11:16 PM
Yes. One of the robots on QI this evening mentioned Icke's theory about the Royal Family being 7 ft reptiles. It came as a surprise to me, since I'd never heard a mainstream voice bring that up before.

:rolleyes:

A reference to a connection to Stephen Fry in a thread about pedos, who would have thought it.

cont
14-01-2012, 11:52 PM
You're not seriously suggesting that Jimmy Saville was a shy person? I'm not going to even bother to explain why because it so obvious he was not the least bit shy.

No, with this and the other suggestions, I was demonstrating you can't make assumptions based upon lack of relationship history with adults. Likewise you can't make assumptions that a married man isn't a child molester.

An indicator is not evidence. No relationship history with adults may indicate something, but you don't know what it indicates on that fact alone... it's not evidence of anything in particular.


Have you read: google "The Tap Savile"? There's discussion on this.

voxvot
15-01-2012, 01:16 AM
Voxvot did not state that at all.

In fact the main points about Jimmy Saville being a pedo are,

The accusations made against him to the police that went to the CPS.

He touched up a 14 year old Nolan sister.

He got a lawyer to cover up photos showing him at a children's home in Jersey where abuse DID occur.

And other points also raised earlier in this thread (re-read).

Get off the marriage issue (which has only been raised by certain people in this thread to distract from the real issues involved) and answer the other points you are avoiding.

Good post! That sums it up. Saville may have been as pure as the driven snow, but the points above prove that the media had more than reasonable grounds for investigating Saville's past. Anyone truly convinced of his innocence would welcome a proper investigation to quash the rumors that are circulating.

batou
15-01-2012, 01:26 AM
Jimmy's-a-Vile's old Range Rover is up for sale:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086103/How-Jimmy-fixed-Range-Rover-LIVE-DJ-Saviles-bizarre-converted-4x4-complete-bed-sink-auction.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/13/article-2086103-0F71490B00000578-7_634x334.jpg

Note the registration: YBL 322T
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7sr1dpX3M1qbzucko1_400.jpg

silverwand
15-01-2012, 01:36 AM
Don't get me wrong, I believe in the death penalty for peadophiles, rapist, and people who wear these new cargo pants with the dropped, "shit in the pants" crotch and elasticated cuffs, but, Saville's quip about being a feared wrestler in girls schools, seems to be more of a self denigrating reference to his wrestling prowess, rather than a sly boast about his sexual preferences. Leaving that aside, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't substance to these allegations, very shady, gauche, naff and unsavory fellow.

Ha ha :D pmsl

stevie0013
15-01-2012, 04:02 AM
A reference to a connection to Stephen Fry in a thread about pedos, who would have thought it.

:eek: Seriously?

helloperator
15-01-2012, 09:35 AM
Sex with schoolgirls.....hmmmm

griffinman
15-01-2012, 12:24 PM
Sex with schoolgirls.....hmmmm

now then now then boys and girls..

ooooOOOOOoooooOOOOOOUUUUUggggggggOOOOOOooOOOOOO

LCP
15-01-2012, 01:53 PM
I wrote to him in 1978. He didn't reply, so i'm glad he's dead. Albino ponce.

misscynical
15-01-2012, 03:19 PM
now then now then boys and girls..

ooooOOOOOoooooOOOOOOUUUUUggggggggOOOOOOooOOOOOO

You're really enjoying this aren't you? :D

vegan_on_the_land
15-01-2012, 03:38 PM
Why would you think that?

Clearly you are wrong.

Because I don't think our sexual preference suddenly change.

son_of_parrot
15-01-2012, 03:41 PM
Good post! That sums it up. Saville may have been as pure as the driven snow, but the points above prove that the media had more than reasonable grounds for investigating Saville's past. Anyone truly convinced of his innocence would welcome a proper investigation to quash the rumors that are circulating.

I agree but surely such an investigation should have been carried out when he was alive?

Any crank with a grudge can now come out and say he was this and that now he's dead without Jimmy Saville defending the accusations.

vegan_on_the_land
15-01-2012, 03:42 PM
Does it matter when he denied it?

The facts are that he did and not why he denied it.

It would've been better if he just admitted that he was there condidering that he was there 'officially' for his 'Jim Will Fix It' show.

If I found a dead human in the woods I would report it to the police but wouldn't give my name in case I was questioned. If I'd visited that home in some capacity, I would have denied it. People are often accused because others think they are guilty by association.

Until there is evidence I will not judge the man.

thomas_20111
15-01-2012, 08:23 PM
I wrote to him in 1978. He didn't reply, so i'm glad he's dead. Albino ponce.

What did you want him to fix for you?

thomas_20111
15-01-2012, 08:24 PM
I agree but surely such an investigation should have been carried out when he was alive?

Any crank with a grudge can now come out and say he was this and that now he's dead without Jimmy Saville defending the accusations.

It would have been investigated but Jimmy Saville used money and connections to stop any investigations etc.

thomas_20111
15-01-2012, 08:26 PM
Until there is evidence I will not judge the man.


There is evidence, you clearly don't understand what evidence means.

o_rourke
15-01-2012, 09:40 PM
If I found a dead human in the woods I would report it to the police but wouldn't give my name in case I was questioned. If I'd visited that home in some capacity, I would have denied it. People are often accused because others think they are guilty by association.

Until there is evidence I will not judge the man.

I reserve the right to judge him at the very least as a LIAR

211200
15-01-2012, 11:55 PM
If Jimmy Savile was into one thing, it wasn't girls. ;)

Maybe not, but he liked women... My ex girlfriend was having her photo taken with Jimmy and he put his hand behind her back to make it look like he was hugging her, only he was up her jumper trying to undo her bra!!!!

aleppo
16-01-2012, 11:27 AM
I leave the comments to you guys.:D I always thought Jimmy drove a Rolls Royce.

http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/16/jimmy-savilles-range-rover-caravan-for-sale

Custom mattress...

leon11
03-01-2014, 05:46 PM
interesting how many people here were defending saville (in the name of 'reason'?) before everything came out

tribe_of_david
03-01-2014, 06:22 PM
interesting how many people here were defending saville (in the name of 'reason'?) before everything came out

yes just been reading through this post and thought the same as you. however i have to admit i remember a savile post from somewhere back in about 2010? many people were alluding to necrophilia/child abuse also linking him to the ripper and i said something along the lines as innocent until proven guilty, i think anders (R.I.P) was involved in the debate (this was before it all hit the headlines) remember also someone defending savile, think the defender was linked to the free masons he claimed?

anyhow i agree with what ya saying many people defended him and look how it all panned out. lots were proved to be right along with lots proven wrong.

greatdayforfreedom
03-01-2014, 06:40 PM
If Jimmy Savile was into one thing, it wasn't girls. ;)

How wrong you were!