The organised WW2 gassing of the Jews is a lie

[steppewar]

I have extensively researched WW2 in depth. There is no physical evidence that Jews were systematically GASSED to death in the concentaration camps, especially Auschwitz.

Yes, many thousands were executed by mobile SS death squads in occupied Poland and Russia, and untold thousands were starved and worked to death.

If even 3 million Jews, (not 6) were gassed to death by Zyclon B, then what evidence is there for it? ... Apart from the usual Zionist propaganda?

PS.

The crematorium ovens in all the concentration camps combined would not be able to burn 6 million bodies until 2050 if they had started in 1943. Also if the Nazis had buried a few million instead, why have they not been dug up since the end of the war?

[esowteric]

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Regards,

[ssyx]

Hi steppewar,
Did you ever read phantoms threads on the subject?
He offered quite a few links and some good info.
Sadly he was met with outrage for daring to question the official accounts of the holocaust.

Still unacceptable to some, although I thought people here would be more open.

Nobody offered a satisfactory rebuttal to what phantom was saying IMO.

Lots of outrage, no substance.

[greenleaf]

Hi steppewar,
Did you ever read phantoms threads on the subject?
He offered quite a few links and some good info.
Sadly he was met with outrage for daring to question the official accounts of the holocaust.

Still unacceptable to some, although I thought people here would be more open.

Nobody offered a satisfactory rebuttal to what phantom was saying IMO.

Lots of outrage, no substance.


we can only hope people have moved on into allowing what they claim to want 'free speech', and acually have on open debate in all versions of History

I really hate it when some go out of their way to show how awful the war was, yet only on the basis they were in the right or an event actually happened... to the point of 'How Dare You Question Me'

[marmadukehussy]

imo history is written by the winners.
and i see you an go to prison if you deny the holocaust every happened, i smell a rat.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Not to be mean or anything.
A agree that there are some really bad things that happened, and things that DIDN'T happen during WW2.

But seriously man. Leave our zionists leaders out of this.
Can't they just take our money without you having to expose everything fucking thing they did or didn't do?
You know how hard it is to rule the world in a secretive manner without having some fucktard on the internet constandly exposing them?

[seanx]

ssyx wrote:
He offered quite a few links and some good info.
Sadly he was met with outrage for daring to question the official accounts of the holocaust.

I'm sorry, mate ..he wasn't met with outrage.

But with excellent, indept posts from cheeb, Adimon and Dogsmilk....
which if you look back at the posts, he NEVER answered - instead
disappeared.

Let's be clear here: There is a huge difference between GENUINELY
debating these issues - which everyone has a RIGHT to - and
using them for hate purposes.

To divide people.

And to drag everybody back to the horrible, separative
death Frequencies which that time evokes.

And is designed to keep everybody locked into. How can the
higher frequencies enter when we keep revisiting these old frequencies.

let us learn our lessons from them .....and move on.

Also, how many people on this forum in the UK and Ireland suddenly
found that workplace computers had suddenly banned the dave icke
site...because of the lie that it was promoting race hate....

.....all around the same time as all these anti-jews posts
suddenly started appearing....and just as suddenly vanished.

Free speech is essential. It's also essential that this issue is debated fully..
but sometimes you've got to be streetwise....and see
the real game that is going on.

As the proverb says: 'As gentle as a lamb ..and as cunning as a fox'
.....otherwise these people will always win.

[damagedbrainn]

we can only hope people have moved on into allowing what they claim to want 'free speech', and acually have on open debate in all versions of History

I really hate it when some go out of their way to show how awful the war was, yet only on the basis they were in the right or an event actually happened... to the point of 'How Dare You Question Me'

Actually, Phantom was given "free speech" and open debate, he just chickened out and left. That's typically what happens in Holocaust Denial threads....they interpret all disagreement as "outrage" and "censorship".

[kblood]

Actually, Phantom was given "free speech" and open debate, he just chickened out and left. That's typically what happens in Holocaust Denial threads....they interpret all disagreement as "outrage" and "censorship".

I agree, maybe Phantom did find some good information about how maybe they did not kill as many jews as it is claimed. The problem is, what does it matter today? Why dig up old skeletons, when wether the skeletons are missing or not doesnt change a thing at all today?

As I wrote then I will write now, wether or not it is true, I dont really care. Jews were killed and wether it was an excuse to get a country of their own, wether it was blown out of proportion, it doesnt change anything at all today. At most, it is a good way to make people angry or sad.

If any research was to be done into this, then it should be why wouldnt jews have been gassed when all evidence points to it being so? This is something Phantom didnt even care about, he just made 3-5 threads about different camps he claimed was never used for gassing. Also made the research justify posting pictures of dead people in concentration camps.

So either please leave the subject alone or come with a good reason why it is even remotely relevant to research...

[adimon]

I have extensively researched WW2 in depth. There is no physical evidence that Jews were systematically GASSED to death in the concentaration camps, especially Auschwitz.

Yes, many thousands were executed by mobile SS death squads in occupied Poland and Russia, and untold thousands were starved and worked to death.

If even 3 million Jews, (not 6) were gassed to death by Zyclon B, then what evidence is there for it? ... Apart from the usual Zionist propaganda?

PS.

The crematorium ovens in all the concentration camps combined would not be able to burn 6 million bodies until 2050 if they had started in 1943. Also if the Nazis had buried a few million instead, why have they not been dug up since the end of the war?

Ok god, not you too...?

Read some HISTORY books which contain photographs of corpses in rictus spilling out of the gas chambers FFS!! :mad:

[elirien]

Ok god, not you too...?

Read some HISTORY books which contain photographs of corpses in rictus spilling out of the gas chambers FFS!! :mad:

I would recommend you this site:

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

Very decent research.

[greenleaf]

Actually, Phantom was given "free speech" and open debate, he just chickened out and left. That's typically what happens in Holocaust Denial threads....they interpret all disagreement as "outrage" and "censorship".
I never knew the font.. but me statement I stand by, not whoever it was as an individual.. more I hope we are all mature enough to debate an issue without hatred

[greenleaf]

Ok god, not you too...?

Read some HISTORY books which contain photographs of corpses in rictus spilling out of the gas chambers FFS!! :mad:

Images aren't proof of so many victims.. is anyone alowed to mention who holds the all time record for killing innocents? .. there are many images of todays tortures happening to a single human being in any country... this IMO is just as bad as the many..numbers aren't an issue here, it's th reality of events. (if it was down to numbers TinTIn poss, could show exactly what/why/how it was predicted.).

[adimon]

Did you ever read phantoms threads on the subject?
He offered quite a few links and some good info.
Sadly he was met with outrage for daring to question the official accounts of the holocaust.

Still unacceptable to some, although I thought people here would be more open.

Nobody offered a satisfactory rebuttal to what phantom was saying IMO.

Lots of outrage, no substance.

Did he? Show me. :cool:

So either please leave the subject alone or come with a good reason why it is even remotely relevant to research...

I disagree kblood. Even though I have seen sufficient evidence to know the revisionists are lying scum with hidden agendas, I still encourage people to go and research these topics for themselves. I STRONGLY encourage people to visit the camps as an important part of that.

I would recommend you this site:

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

Very decent research.

I'd recommend you visit the camps, if you haven't done so already.

Images aren't proof of so many victims.. is anyone alowed to mention who holds the all time record for killing innocents? .. there are many images of todays tortures happening to a single human being in any country... this IMO is just as bad as the many..numbers aren't an issue here, it's th reality of events. (if it was down to numbers TinTIn poss, could show exactly what/why/how it was predicted.).

Sorry Greenleaf, but I don't understand what point you're making. You're changing arguments now. Please tell me what you believe occurred, rather than simply denying the official story.

Do you believe gas chambers were used?

If you don't believe 6 million could have been killed, then show me your calculations. :)

[zarah]

I Why dig up old skeletons, when wether the skeletons are missing or not doesnt change a thing at all today?

Because the history we're conditioned to believe from children is false. On the back of this false history a country was occupied, and, sixty years on, its indigenous people live in an open prision. The occupiers flout international law at will and use the vapid 'never again' matra as some kind of justification for their crimes.

[ssyx]

Did he? Show me. :cool:
You do not wish to see adimon. You have read what I'm talking about.

Unfortunately for me I'm not like you, I don't know everything and so I can easily be fooled by what appears to be good research.

Fortunately for me I'm not like you, I dont know everything and do not feel the need to have an immovable viewpoint, no matter what is presented to me.



I'd recommend you visit the camps, if you haven't done so already.

This is your one size fits all answer to anything surrounding the holocaust or concentration camps.
I have been therefore I know exactly what happened.
Unless the camps were operational when you were there you only know what you were told and shown.
Is there any possibility that one or more of the things you saw/heard were exaggerated or made up?


Did you take a look at http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ ?
What did you think?

[adimon]

You do not wish to see adimon. You have read what I'm talking about.

Ok, so you're telling me I do not wish to see WHAT? The unrelenting cut and paste, by Phantom, of information not relevant to the points I was making? Or the fact that Phantom could not answer a few simple questions whilst claiming to be an expert. Phantom has absolutely no idea of the principles of historiography, and I'm beginning to think you don't either, since you haven't posted any analysis.

Should you want me to respond to some points of analysis I'm afraid you will have to provide those.

Posting links and telling me if I watch such-and-such my view point will and SHOULD radically alter is preposterous. You've made no attempt so far to explain any point at all. All Phantom ever did was blanket paste meaningless info and links, which is how seanx and I were able to identify that he wasn't here to share info or discuss, but for other reasons.

If your revisionist viewpoint is SO well researched, how come no one on this forum has yet been able to show me their calculations as to how the holocaust official story is mathematically impossible, as was claimed in one of the earlier posts on this thread? This claim has been repeatedly made ever since the cult of holocaust denial has emerged from its shitty hole. Show me the calculations is all I have ever asked...but to no avail.

x = no of prisoners
y = size of gas chamber #3

etc...

go for it

Unfortunately for me I'm not like you, I don't know everything and so I can easily be fooled by what appears to be good research.


You won't score points with sarcasm in a historical debate.

Fortunately for me I'm not like you, I dont know everything and do not feel the need to have an immovable viewpoint, no matter what is presented to me.

Immovable viewpoint? Is that your new synonym for informed opinion? If so, my retort would be to describe this current wave of deniers as "scared of books and official documents, preferring instead the comfortable solace of the Internet"

This is your one size fits all answer to anything surrounding the holocaust or concentration camps.
I have been therefore I know exactly what happened.

Which camps have you been to? In what years did you go?

Unless the camps were operational when you were there you only know what you were told and shown.

The key word there is SHOWN. When you watch your denial videos and page after page of fabricated argument, all that is happening is that you are being SHOWN. The difference is in the historiographical weight, and if you consider things coded in HTML to subvert vulnerable minds, to carry the same weight as empirical evidence, then I will be unable to continue this debate.

If however, you post some EVIDENCE for me to respond to, then I am more than happy?

How does that sound eh? :)

Is there any possibility that one or more of the things you saw/heard were exaggerated or made up?

Some of it, possibly, but there comes a point beyond which denial is impossible. If you don't see that, then show me where I am deluded.

Did you take a look at http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ ?

Yes I did. Any part of it you would like to refer me to in your analysis, which I'm by now positive you're going to post, aren't you? ;)

What did you think?

I think you can GUESS what I think of that. :D

[peachped]

I would recommend you this site:

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

Very decent research.

Thanks elirien. Good site. :)

[elirien]

Thanks elirien. Good site. :)

I'm glad you like it. Although I'm not sure though I think I found this site somewhere here on the forum.

Share the Wealth :D

[6655321]

Question: does it really matter how people were exterminated during WW2? Arguing about whether gas chambers were used or not obscures the real truths and more important facts.

No one can deny Jews were persecuted in WW2, as were other people. 'Did 6 million really die?' No one can say for certain because there was propaganda on both sides.

When you think about, WW2 was a great piece of work for the NWO, 60+ years on, people are still divided (and conquered) by it.

[elirien]

When you think about, WW2 was a great piece of work for the NWO, 60+ years on, people are still divided (and conquered) by it.

I think you've got the main point of WW2. ;)

[mynameis]

In their own words...

Eyewitness Accounts: The Nazis:
Eichmann
"I remember clearly the first time he guided me around the camp. He showed me everything, and at the end he took me to a grave where the corpses of the gassed Jews lay piled on a strong iron grill. Hoess's men poured some inflammable liquid over them and set them on fire. The flesh stewed like stew meat. The sight made such an impression on me that today, after a dozen years, I can still see that mountain of corpses in front of me. Hoess may have seen disgust in my face, but I spoke to him sternly: "When I see your corpses, I think of those charred German bodies in the air-raid shelters in Berlin. From About.Com: Einsatzgruppen


Hitler on His Plans for the Jews
'Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows - at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example - as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.' 1) Josef Hell, "Aufzeichnung," 1922, ZS 640, p. 5, Institut für Zeitgeschichte. Der Gerade Weg.


Himmler's Account
October 1943:to SS group leaders,

"...It is one of those things which is easy to say. 'The Jewish race is to be exterminated,' says every party member. 'That's clear, it's part of our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, right, we'll do it.' And then they all come along, the eighty million good Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are swine, but this one is a first-class Jew. Of all those who talk like this, not one has watched, not one has stood up to it. Most of you know what it means to see a hundred corpses lying together, five hundred, or a thousand. To have gone through this and yet - apart from a few exceptions, examples of human weakness - to have remained decent fellows, this is what has made us hard."

From “the History Place”
From Hoess
March 16, 1946, Hoss made the following statement: "I personally arranged on orders received from Himmler in May 1941 the gassing of two million persons between June and July 1941 and 1943."


MILITARY EYEWITNESSES:
104th Infantry division:USVII Corp: On Entering Mittelbau-Dora

This quote may be found on the page: www.104infdiv.org

Bombs had ground flesh and bones into the cement floor. Rows upon rows of skin-covered skeletons met our eyes. Men lay as they starved, discolored, and lying in indescribable human filth. Their striped coats and prison numbers hung to their frames as a last token of those who enslaved and killed them. In this large motor shop there were no living beings; only the distorted dead. We went to the stairs and under the casing were neatly piled about seventy-five bodies, a sight I could never erase from memories. Dying on the second floor were, upon later count, about twenty-five men or half-men. Some of these, lying in double-decked wooden bedsteads, were grotesquely still, yet hanging tenaciously to life's breath. They were still alive.

Account on Nordhausen
USHMM:Nordhausen

We went downstairs into a filth indescribable, accompanied by a horrible dead-rot stench. There in beds of crude wood I saw men too weak to move dead comrades from their side. One hunched-down French boy was huddled up against a dead comrade, as if to keep warm, having no concept that the friend had been dead two or three days and unable to move his own limbs. There were others, in dark cellar rooms, lying in disease and filth, being eaten away by diarrhea and malnutrition. It was like stepping into the Dark Ages to walk into one of these cellar-cells and seek out the living; like walking into a world apart and returning to bring these shadow-men into the environment of a clean American ambulance. In one bomb crater lay about twenty bodies. We pulled three or four feebly struggling living ones from the bottom of the pile; they had been struggling for five or six days to get out but the weight of the other bodies piled on them had been too much for their starved, emaciated frames. We saw those on a bank who had been cut down by machine guns in trying to escape the fury of the guards. I saw one man feebly stagger to attention and salute us as tears slowly trickled down his cheeks. Too weak to walk, this man was genuinely moved to pay tribute to those who were helping him - showing him the first kind act in years. A few men were able to walk on their swollen, bulging feet; they had no shoes and they were unbelievably dirty. There were lash marks on many of their scantily covered backs - definite proof of beatings and floggings by their inhuman guards. One Parisian business told me he had been kicked and beaten repeatedly. He was comparatively healthy, as he had been in camp only three months. He told me that many of the 3,000 dead in the camp had been worked, beaten and forced at top speed until they could work on longer, after which they were starved off or killed outright."


99th Chemical Mortar Battalion

..."Bob Dodge still has nightmares about what he saw while making deliveries for his supply sergeant during the war. "At first we saw dead horses, and we got sick and were vomiting from the stink," the 80-year-old Birnamwood man said. "As we drove on we saw a whole bunch -- maybe 45 or 50 people -- in the ditch alongside the road. The Nazis must have been marching them somewhere. It looked like each one had a bullet hole in their head. There was gasoline on them, and they had been lit on fire." Dodge, who was drafted into the U.S. Army and served in the 99th Chemical Mortar Battalion, was overseas for six months and said he still wakes up "with all these dreams." While he was never injured, witnessing the war was "sickening to (his) brain."

[eternal_spirit]

The organised WW2 gassing of the Jews is a lie

Aint that the truth.

[mynameis]

The organised WW2 gassing of the Jews is a lie

Aint that the truth.


Yea, the final fate of those in the concentration camps were organized towards the end of the war. Up until that point the Germans lied from the beginning, up until zero hour. Lest we forget the deaths of Germans and Jewish people in the lie of Poland, Russia, Britian, and so the lives of so many of their citizens years onwards.