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lightgiver
29-11-2011, 11:09 PM
Dachau concentration camp (German: Konzentrationslager (KZ) Dachau, IPA: [ˈdaxaʊ]) was the first Nazi concentration camp opened in Germany, located on the grounds of an abandoned munitions factory near the medieval town of Dachau, about 16 km (9.9 mi) northwest of Munich in the state of Bavaria, which is located in southern Germany. Opened 22 March 1933 (51 days after Hitler took power), it was the first regular concentration camp established by the coalition government of the National Socialist Party (Nazi Party) and the German Nationalist People's Party (dissolved on 6 July 1933). Heinrich Himmler, then Chief of Police of Munich, officially described the camp as "the first concentration camp for political prisoners."

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5188/756pxconcentrationcampd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/192/756pxconcentrationcampd.jpg/)

Dachau served as a prototype and model for the other Nazi concentration camps that followed. Almost every community in Germany had members taken away to these camps. Newspapers continually reported of "the removal of the enemies of the Reich to concentration camps", and as early as 1935 there were jingles warning: "Dear God, make me dumb, that I may not to Dachau come" ("Lieber Gott, mach mich dumm, damit ich nicht nach Dachau kumm").

Crematorium in operation...
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4048/bundesarchivbild183h269.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/213/bundesarchivbild183h269.jpg/)

"Propaganda tries to force a doctrine on the whole people... Propaganda works on the general public from the standpoint of an idea and makes them ripe for the victory of this idea." Adolf Hitler wrote these words in his book Mein Kampf (1926)...

Dachau concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005202

rorschach
29-11-2011, 11:22 PM
there was a programme on covering the lifes of british bomber crews during ww2 ,
in it they described how hitler placed them in buchenwald camp ,
one old guy described the jews inside as living dead , zombies , they were starving skinny barely human any more .
the brittish airman spoke of the gas chambers and furnaces also ,
and how they narrowly avoided similar fate when german luftwaffe general took them back to dedicated pow camp .


its sickening to think the ;likes of the bnp used raf logo and battle of britain stuff to promote their party , i wonder if they would call that witness at buchenwald a liar .

lightgiver
30-11-2011, 01:47 AM
DACHAU 1945 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/PH98iTYLrv4

Dachau Concentration Camp, Germany.

Various shots of the American soldiers inspecting piles of dead bodies at Dachau concentration camp. Various shots of the American soldiers at the entrance and around various buildings, internal railway etc. Close up shot of a plaque on one of the buildings reading 'Zentralbauleitung Der Waffen SS U. Polizei Munchen Dachau'. Various shots of the survivors waving and cheering to camera. Top shot of the survivors waving, many children seen. Various close up shots of the survivors. Various shots of the Americans fishing dead body out of canal, checking piles of clothes, wooden coffins, huge piles of dead bodies, most naked, all skeletons. Several shots of the furnaces, more piles of dead bodies, buildings etc.

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=55340

History is mythology recreated by each generation....

lightgiver
30-11-2011, 02:02 AM
Oh no! They holocausted teeth there! Oh no! Oh no! Poor, poor people!

("600 trillion innocent teeth were dentalcausted in the dentyplentyholocaust. Relatives of dead teeth are still cryingandsighing today. Oh no oh no. Amen.")

Abstract

When the use of traditional forensic identification methods such as fingerprints or dental radiographs is difficult or impossible, identification by DNA analysis has proven valuable. In situations such as explosions or airplane crashes, identification is even more difficult because human remains are often fragmented and may be commingled. Teeth are a useful source of DNA and can often survive extreme environmental conditions. However, teeth may be fragmented into several identifiable regions. Therefore it is important to determine if DNA is present in forensically significant yields in all regions of the tooth. The main objectives of this study were to determine which region(s) of the tooth contains quantifiable DNA, if all regions contain similar yields of DNA and whether there is enough DNA in all regions to justify DNA extraction from a found tooth fragment. Results demonstrate that there is sufficient quantity of DNA in the crown body, root body, and root tip to support DNA extraction. Additionally, the root body is the region with the highest yield of DNA. This information will aid forensic DNA analysts in producing a useful DNA profile in a timely and cost-effective manner.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12762534

petras
30-11-2011, 02:09 AM
@ lightgiver

What about the "Nazi-camp brothels"?

THE BROTHEL IN AUSCHWITZ III - YouTube

Your profile picture showing wide spread female thighs whith an eye between them insinuate that you are an expert.

lightgiver
30-11-2011, 02:17 AM
@ lightgiver

What about the "Nazi-camp brothels"?

Your profile picture showing wide spread female thighs whith an eye between them insinuate that you are an expert.


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6056/houseofdollscover.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/houseofdollscover.jpg/)

The name "Joy Division" stemmed from the sexual slavery wing of a Nazi concentration camp in the 1955 novel The House of Dolls...

petras
30-11-2011, 02:19 AM
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6056/houseofdollscover.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/houseofdollscover.jpg/)

The name "Joy Division" stemmed from the sexual slavery wing of a Nazi concentration camp in the 1955 novel The House of Dolls...


STALAG stemmed from sexual phantasies too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_fiction

so what about reality?

lightgiver
30-11-2011, 02:29 AM
A new exhibition in Germany opens up a subject that has long been taboo -- the use of female concentration camp inmates to provide sexual services to male slave laborers as production incentives during World War II.

A visitor to the exhibition looks at a map showing the location of the Nazi brothels which were created in ten concentration camps.
"Hardly any other topic from the history of the concentration camps has, on the one hand, been kept so quiet and repressed and is, on the other hand, so tainted with prejudice and distortion, as the forced prostitution of female camp inmates for male camp inmates by the SS," commented Insa Eschebach, the director of the Ravensbrück Memorial Museum, at the opening of the exhibition.

Between 300 and 400 women were forced to become sex workers in brothels in ten concentration camps, including Auschwitz, Dachau, Buchenwald and Sachsenhausen. A visit to a brothel, known as a "special barrack," was part of a system of incentives intended to boost the productivity of concentration camp slave laborers. These bonuses were not, however, extended to every group of inmates -- Jews in particular were excluded. The idea for the forced prostitution came from Heinrich Himmler himself, as a letter from the SS leader on display in the exhibition shows.

Among the around 200 exhibits are index cards where the prisoners, who came mostly from the Ravensbrück concentration camp, are identified as "brothel women," documents about the bureaucratic organization of the sexual slavery, and audio recordings of male inmates talking about their visits to the brothels. Photos are on the whole not included in the exhibition "to avoid possible voyeuristic expectations," the spokesperson of the Foundation of Brandenburg Memorials, Horst Seferens explained.

Also on display are vouchers which male inmates received from the SS, entitling them to a visit to the brothels. "The brothels were supposed to function as an incentive to increase the productivity of the prisoners in the armaments industry," Seferens said. The sexual slavery was also intended to prevent homosexual behaviour from spreading, something the SS leaders feared.

Hardly any of the women, who suffered severe physical and mental damage as a result of their experiences, applied after 1945 for compensation for their suffering because they felt talking about their experiences was too degrading, Eschebach said. "Sex slavery was not identified as such in the judicial cases dealing with the SS crimes," she added.

The exhibition, which runs until Sept. 30, is taking place at the Ravensbrück Memorial Museum in the former Ravensbrück concentration camp , located around 90 km (55 miles) north of Berlin. The camp was unusual it that it held mainly women inmates. Over 130,000 women and children from more than 40 countries were registered as prisoners there during World War II.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,459704,00.html

petras
30-11-2011, 02:37 AM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,459704,00.html

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/kino/0,1518,737208,00.html
Der Spiegel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Spiegel scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Libsker
Nazi exploitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-165794-videopanoplayer-abcd.jpg

lightgiver
30-11-2011, 02:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9W0gzEil0&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/Pj9W0gzEil0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TGHy6d0yso&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/7TGHy6d0yso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFGqioLqw&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/sVeFGqioLqw



http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-165794-videopanoplayer-abcd.jpg

Nazi exploitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

petras
30-11-2011, 03:02 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_exploitation


Documentation by Jewish film makers:

Ari Libsker (http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=nw#hl=en&q=ari+libsker&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2200l4756l0l5074l11l8l0l3l3l0l203l1078l1.6. 1l11l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=vid&source=og&sa=N&tab=wv&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=7d32c6be5eac01f8&biw=1163&bih=605)

Yoav Shamir (http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=nw#pq=ari+libsker&hl=en&ds=yt&cp=5&gs_id=35&xhr=t&q=defamation&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&tbm=vid&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=defam&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=7d32c6be5eac01f8&biw=1163&bih=605)

lightgiver
30-11-2011, 03:07 AM
In World War II Nazi Germany established brothels in the concentration camps (Lagerbordell) to create an incentive for prisoners to collaborate, although these institutions were used mostly by Kapos, "prisoner functionaries" and criminal element, because real inmates, penniless and emaciated, were usually too debilitated and wary of exposure to SS schemes. In the end, the camp brothels did not produce any noticeable increase in the prisoners’ work productivity levels, but instead, created a market for coupons among the camp VIPs...The women forced into these brothels came mainly from the Ravensbrück concentration camp, except for Auschwitz, which employed its own prisoners... In combination with the German military brothels in World War II, it is estimated that at least 34,140 female inmates were forced to serve as prostitutes during the Third Reich.

Camp brothel in Gusen, Austria
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Bundesarchiv_Bild_192-174%2C_KZ_Mauthausen%2C_Lagerbordell_Lager_Gusen.j pg

The first camp brothel was established in Mauthausen/Gusen in 1942. After 30 June 1943, a camp brothel existed in Auschwitz, and from 15 July 1943, in Buchenwald. The one in Neuengamme was established in early 1944, Dachau's in May 1944, Dora-Mittelbau's in late summer, and Sachsenhausen's on 8 August 1944... There are conflicting dates for the camp brothel in Flossenbürg: one source claims summer 1943; another states it was not opened until 25 March 1944...

In addition to using camp brothels as a means to control inmates, encourage collaboration, and prevent riots and escapes, Heinrich Himmler also intended them to be used as a means of teaching pink triangle prisoners "the joys of the opposite sex", i.e., as "therapy" for their homosexuality. Heger claims that Himmler directed that all gay prisoners were to make compulsory visits to the camp brothel once per week as a means of curing them of their same-sex attraction...

Germany established brothels in the concentration camps for sexual gratification of collaborating prisoners (Lagerbordell). The women forced to work in the concentration camp brothels came from the Ravensbrück concentration camp,Soldier's brothels (Wehrmachtsbordell) were usually organized in already established whorehouses or in hotels confiscated by the Germans. The leaders of the Wehrmacht were interested in running their own brothels when sexual disease spread among the soldiers. In the controlled brothels, the women frequently had a medical check for her own and the German soldiers' benefit.

It is estimated that a minimum of 34,140 women from occupied states worked as prostitutes during the Third Reich... In Eastern Europe the local women were often forced into prostitution... On 3 May 1941 the Foreign Ministry of Polish Government in Exile issued a document describing the mass raids made in Polish cities with the aim of capturing young women, who later were forced to work in brothels attended by German soldiers and officers... There were often escape attempts, with at least one mass attempt by women in Norway...


German camp brothels in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rorschach
01-12-2011, 11:04 AM
I would take all of this with a big grain of salt.

i have to take most of your info with a handful of valium :D

rorschach
01-12-2011, 11:05 AM
how can prisoners barely able to walk on diaretic soup until they get gassed think about humping ,
try it next you have flu or something :rolleyes:

lightgiver
01-12-2011, 07:31 PM
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/859/holocaustpic2.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/holocaustpic2.gif/)

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9836/1321225f520.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/1321225f520.jpg/)

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/581/holocaustpic3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/holocaustpic3.jpg/)

bjornyvan
01-12-2011, 07:37 PM
No brothel for them, I agree. But this was at the end of the war and these were not all that were in the camps.

Why so skinny, btw? Typhus. Read about it.

lightgiver
01-12-2011, 07:42 PM
No brothel for them, I agree. But this was at the end of the war and these were not all that were in the camps.

Why so skinny, btw? Typhus. Read about it.



I have read and seen more than you can Imagine..you nazi apologists cannot pull the wool over my eyes...

They should not have been there in the first place...and why give people striped clothing...DISGUSTING.


http://westerncivguides.umwblogs.org/files/2009/12/Nazi_german_atrocities.jpg

bjornyvan
01-12-2011, 08:09 PM
I agree - those guys shouldn't have been in the camps. And such camps shouldn't have existed. I'm sure even the Nazis would agree with me about that.

Striped pajamas? Well, I don't think that ever hurt anybody. If you have a camp you need to be able to tell the difference between the inmates and the staff.

What about shaved heads? A necessity. If you wanna keep people healthy. Lice was a big problem.

What needs to be understood is that the Nazis could have just killed them all had they wanted to. But they didn't. They gave them clean, warm clothes, hygiene, good food and heated barracks. And far better care than most people in the world today get when they are put in a prison or concentration camp.

Honestly - if I were some working class guy in Germany or Poland in WWII Auschwitz is where I would have liked to have been. There I was guaranteed an OK place to sleep, good food, hygienic conditions and access to a doctor. And most importantly: there I wouldn't have bombs falling on my head.

As a matter of fact - many regular working class people went to camps like Auschwitz to get paid work. Some of those we see in the photos are in fact people who went there voluntarily. Their conditions were not very different from the conditions of the Jews and others who were taken there by force.

You'd be hard pressed today to find any kind of work camp/concentration camp/prison with as good conditions as those that were in the Nazi camps.

People were executed on the battlefield? Of course they were. It was war! Do you think the German Nazis could just walk around and hand out flowers to people? To people who tried to kill them?

lightgiver
02-12-2011, 10:44 PM
A woman weeps during the deportation of Jews from Ioannina on March 25, 1944... The deportation was enforced by the German army. Almost all of the people deported were murdered on or shortly after April 11, 1944, when the train carrying them reached Auschwitz-Birkenau...
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5043/382pxbundesarchivbild10.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/382pxbundesarchivbild10.jpg/)

When the National Socialists (Nazis) came to power, it was welcomed by many officers of the Wehrmacht as a way of creating the Wiederwehrhaftmachung of Germany, namely the total militariztion of German society in order to ensure that Germany did not lose the next war.As such, what both the Nazis and the German Army wanted to see was a totally militarized Volksgemeinschaft that would be purged of those perceived internal enemies like the Jews who it was believed had "stabbed" Germany in "the back" in 1918.

War crimes of the Wehrmacht - Hannes Heer
War crimes of the Wehrmacht - Hannes Heer - YouTube
http://youtu.be/XnVOi22cw80

As such, many officers willingly embraced National Socialist ideology in the 1930s. Acting on his own initiative, the Defence Minister Werner von Blomberg had purged the Army of all its Jewish personnel in February 1934. On December 8, 1938, the Army leadership had instructed all officers to be thoroughly well versed in National Socialism and to apply its values in all situations. Starting in February 1939, pamphlets were issued that were made required reading in the Army. The content can be gauged by the titles: "The Officer and Politics", "Hitler's World Historical Mission", "The Army in the Third Reich", "The Battle for German Living Space", "Hands off Danzig!", and "The Final Solution of the Jewish Question in the Third Reich". In the last essay, the author, C.A. Holberg wrote:

The defensive battle against Jewry will continue, even if the last Jew has left Germany. Two big and important tasks remain: the eradication of all Jewish influence, above all in the economy and in culture; the battle against World Jewry, which tries to incite all people in the world against Germany

bjornyvan
02-12-2011, 11:00 PM
Women often weep when they say goodbye. It's just state-orchestrated emotional manipulation that makes it worse that a Jewish woman in WWII weeps when saying goodbye than when a non-Jewish woman in 2011 weeps when saying goodbye.

It was war. Lots and lots of people had bad things happen to them. Lots of women cried for lots of good reasons.

Deportation and massacres? Do you have any idea what happened to x million ethnic Germans after WWII was officially over? Not to mention what happened during the war.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Vertreibung.jpg/250px-Vertreibung.jpg

http://vigrid.net/hcbilder/hcausttyskland/antall.jpg

How do you feel about the Czechs burning German children alive? Ever read about that in the MSM or seen it in a Hollywood movie? No tears for them from the Jews. But a Jewish woman crying at a train station? Oh lordy, how terrible! What a catastrophe!

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres_east.html

Almost all of the people deported were murdered on or shortly after April 11, 1944, when the train carrying them reached Auschwitz-Birkenau

Where is the proof?

lightgiver - you can't simply believe everything you hear. You need to have a skeptical mind and research everything for yourself.

The so-called holocaust never happened. And that's a good thing. It's a good thing that millions of Jews were not exterminated. At least I view it that way no matter how much I generally dislike Jews. What is a bad thing however - is how a whole nation has been vilified and punished for half a century for a crime they never committed. While the crimes of the Allies against the Germans are passed by in silence.

rorschach
03-12-2011, 02:24 AM
I have read and seen more than you can Imagine..you nazi apologists cannot pull the wool over my eyes...

They should not have been there in the first place...and why give people striped clothing...DISGUSTING.


http://westerncivguides.umwblogs.org/files/2009/12/Nazi_german_atrocities.jpg
:cool:
biorn probably thinks thats the nice german soldiers trying to pick of a flea they saw using small arms fire ,
the prisoner apparently is seen in a picture shaking hands and joking with the gaurd who is holding up the offending flea :rolleyes:

its the camps nit nurse if you like

lightgiver
03-12-2011, 03:42 AM
:cool:
biorn probably thinks thats the nice german soldiers trying to pick of a flea they saw using small arms fire ,
the prisoner apparently is seen in a picture shaking hands and joking with the gaurd who is holding up the offending flea :rolleyes:

its the camps nit nurse if you like

I had a conversation with my daughter quite a while ago about the World Wars etc etc...she did not even know who Adolph hitler was...:eek: so much for education.

History is mythology recreated by each generation....

lightgiver
03-12-2011, 03:49 AM
Zigeunermischlinge ("Gypsy half-breeds") used in an anthropological study by German psychologist Eva Justin. They were sent to the "Gypsy camp" and murdered when the camp was liquidated...
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5179/romanikidsww2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/romanikidsww2.jpg/)
"Mischlinge" half-Romani children at St. Josefspflege orphanage in Mulfingen, Germany, were used in Eva Justin's racial studies for her PhD dissertation. 39 of them (20 boys and 19 girls) were shipped to Auschwitz extermination camp on May 9, 1944. Of the 39 children, two survived Auschwitz; all the others were killed, most on August 3, 1944...

As Auschwitz decree, the decree Heinrich Himmler from the 16th December 1942 referred to by which the deportation of the inside of the German Empire surviving Roma was ordered to it - unlike previous individual or collective deportations - to destroy the entire minority. The decree itself is not delivered. He is following him in the execution of policy (the "express letter") of the Reich Criminal Police Office on (RKPA) 29 January 1943, cited as a reference:

"By order of the Reichsführer SS, 16:12:42 - Tgb No. I 2652/42 Ad. / RF / V. - Hybrids are gypsies, Rom Gypsies and non- German blood relatives gypsy clans of Balkan origins to specific guidelines to select and instruct in an action of a few weeks in a concentration camp. This group of people is in the following abbreviated as 'gypsy people'. The briefing takes place regardless of the degree of mixed blood family, in the concentration camp ( Gypsy camp ) Auschwitz. "

The quick letter was entitled "Instruction of Gypsy half-breeds, Rome and Balkan Gypsies Gypsies to concentration camps."

Similar deportation orders as to the express letter of 29 Were issued on 26 January 1943 and January 28, 1943 for the " Danube and Alpenreichsgaue "and on 29 March 1943 for the District of Bialystok , the Alsace , Lorraine , Belgium , Luxembourg and the Netherlands . Compared to the Burgenland and the East Prussian Roma pointed to the RKPA similar statements of 26 May and 1 October 1941 and the 6 July, 1942.

A precursor of the decree was Himmler Thierack Agreement of 17 September, 1942. It read:

Anti-social elements from the prison, Jews, Gypsies, Russians, Ukrainians (or should) to the Reichsführer SS for extermination through work are delivered.

Eva Justin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz-Erlass

bjornyvan
03-12-2011, 11:18 AM
Gypsies and other "poor, weird and useless" minority peoples have always been despised and mistreated everywhere. Same thing here in Norway with the Sami just a short while ago.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Saami_Family_1900.jpg/350px-Saami_Family_1900.jpg

Sami people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But did you know that the German Nazis had very friendly relations with the Tibetans?

http://www.westernshugdensociety.org/images/sized/images/sized/remote/images-westernshugdensociety-org-global-dalai-lama-nazi-ss-in-tibet-340x251.jpg

History is so much stranger than people would think.

jon galt
03-12-2011, 01:11 PM
I agree - those guys shouldn't have been in the camps. And such camps shouldn't have existed. I'm sure even the Nazis would agree with me about that.

Striped pajamas? Well, I don't think that ever hurt anybody. If you have a camp you need to be able to tell the difference between the inmates and the staff.

What about shaved heads? A necessity. If you wanna keep people healthy. Lice was a big problem.

What needs to be understood is that the Nazis could have just killed them all had they wanted to. But they didn't. They gave them clean, warm clothes, hygiene, good food and heated barracks. And far better care than most people in the world today get when they are put in a prison or concentration camp.
the nazi keept the able bodied and skilled prisoners alive to use as slave labor. they executed all that were of no use.



As a matter of fact - many regular working class people went to camps like Auschwitz to get paid work. Some of those we see in the photos are in fact people who went there voluntarily. Their conditions were not very different from the conditions of the Jews and others who were taken there by force.

this is actually true in the begining many went to camps willingly, thinking that they were being relocated and would get work.this appealed to some because of antisemitism in germany. they were told they were going to newly built jewish communitys, they never realised that they would not be alowed to leave again. your premise that the the nazis were caring for these jewish people, looks over the fact that they were forced in to camps /ghettos.striped of all their possesions kept prisoner and used as slave labor. this can not be presented any other way.

bjornyvan
03-12-2011, 02:20 PM
the nazi keept the able bodied and skilled prisoners alive to use as slave labor. they executed all that were of no use.


Fantasy.

http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/dachaubabies1.jpg

http://www.vigrid.net/hcbilder/lognoverlev/sykehus.jpg

Total fantasy having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with reality. The nonsense you have in your head, I mean. Not these pictures from the real world.

http://www.sannhistorie.net/bilder/lognoverlev/Auschwfri.gif

Eli Weasel spent about half of the "Holocaust" in sickbed in German care. Nobody gassed him:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Elie_Wiesel_%281987%29_by_Erling_Mandelmann_-_2.jpg/170px-Elie_Wiesel_%281987%29_by_Erling_Mandelmann_-_2.jpg

Such examples are virtually endless. Heard about Anne Frank? Wasn't gassed. Spent months in sickbed in German care before she finally died of typhus. The Germans did everything they could to save her.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/47/Anne_Frank.jpg/200px-Anne_Frank.jpg

Why have a hospital in a "death camp"? The hospital is the building across freom the "gas chamber" (morgue/crematorium):

http://www.sannhistorie.net/bilder/auschwgass/Krema1hospital.jpg


this is actually true in the begining many went to camps willingly, thinking that they were being relocated and would get work.this appealed to some because of antisemitism in germany. they were told they were going to newly built jewish communitys, they never realised that they would not be alowed to leave again. your premise that the the nazis were caring for these jewish people, looks over the fact that they were forced in to camps /ghettos.striped of all their possesions kept prisoner and used as slave labor. this can not be presented any other way.

I wasn't talking about Jews. You see, there were a whole lot of other people in the camps than your favorites. I was talking about regular German and Polish men who needed work and got work in the camps.

You have been brainwashed to think that the camps were just about the Jews. They were not. And most of the camps, like Auschwitz, existed before Nazi Germany came into being. But you've never studied the matter, so how could you know anything about this. Want to see pictures of the concentration camp money? More photos from the daily life in the camps? Extracts from witness testimonies that actually say conditions in the camps were quite good and that people were treated well? There's no shortage of this.

jon galt
03-12-2011, 05:52 PM
Fantasy.

http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/dachaubabies1.jpg

http://www.vigrid.net/hcbilder/lognoverlev/sykehus.jpg

Total fantasy having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with reality. The nonsense you have in your head, I mean. Not these pictures from the real world.

http://www.sannhistorie.net/bilder/lognoverlev/Auschwfri.gif

Eli Weasel spent about half of the "Holocaust" in sickbed in German care. Nobody gassed him:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Elie_Wiesel_%281987%29_by_Erling_Mandelmann_-_2.jpg/170px-Elie_Wiesel_%281987%29_by_Erling_Mandelmann_-_2.jpg

Such examples are virtually endless. Heard about Anne Frank? Wasn't gassed. Spent months in sickbed in German care before she finally died of typhus. The Germans did everything they could to save her.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/47/Anne_Frank.jpg/200px-Anne_Frank.jpg

Why have a hospital in a "death camp"? The hospital is the building across freom the "gas chamber" (morgue/crematorium):

http://www.sannhistorie.net/bilder/auschwgass/Krema1hospital.jpg



I wasn't talking about Jews. You see, there were a whole lot of other people in the camps than your favorites. I was talking about regular German and Polish men who needed work and got work in the camps.

You have been brainwashed to think that the camps were just about the Jews. They were not. And most of the camps, like Auschwitz, existed before Nazi Germany came into being. But you've never studied the matter, so how could you know anything about this. Want to see pictures of the concentration camp money? More photos from the daily life in the camps? Extracts from witness testimonies that actually say conditions in the camps were quite good and that people were treated well? There's no shortage of this.

There are museums in poland that well document the nazis crimes, authentic Nazi documents and photography as well as film, ever heard of the warsaw and łódź ghettos or the warsaw uprising? I am very much aware they were other peoples exterminated by the Nazi, just clearing up your warped point that people went willingly to camps.
I will use your logic tho prove these are photos inside camps.
Also some camps were "glamed" up by the nazis when they let red cross inspectors in

lightgiver
04-12-2011, 12:27 AM
Bergen-Belsen (or Belsen) was a Nazi concentration camp in Lower Saxony in northwestern Germany, southwest of the town of Bergen near Celle... Originally established as the prisoner of war camp Stalag XI-C, in 1943 it became a concentration camp on the orders of Heinrich Himmler, where Jewish hostages were held with the intention of exchanging them for German prisoners of war held overseas... Later still the name was applied to the displaced persons camp established nearby, but it is most commonly associated with the concentration camp it became as conditions deteriorated between 1943-1945... During this time an estimated 50,000 Russian prisoners of war and a further 50,000 inmates died there,up to 35,000 of them dying of typhus in the first few months of 1945

A British Army bulldozer pushes bodies into a mass grave at Belsen. 19 April 1945...
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3563/643pxbergenbelsenlibera.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/643pxbergenbelsenlibera.jpg/)

Bergen-Belsen (or Belsen) was a Nazi concentration camp in Lower Saxony in northwestern Germany, southwest of the town of Bergen near Celle. Originally established as the prisoner of war camp Stalag XI-C, in 1943 it became a concentration camp on the orders of Heinrich Himmler, where Jewish hostages were held with the intention of exchanging them for German prisoners of war held overseas.... Later still the name was applied to the displaced persons camp established nearby, but it is most commonly associated with the concentration camp it became as conditions deteriorated between 1943-1945. During this time an estimated 50,000 Russian prisoners of war and a further 50,000 inmates died there, up to 35,000 of them dying of typhus in the first few months of 1945...

The camp was liberated on April 15, 1945 by the British 11th Armoured Division.60,000 prisoners were found inside, most of them seriously ill, and another 13,000 corpses lay around the camp unburied... The scenes that greeted British troops were described by the BBC's Richard Dimbleby, who accompanied them...

...Here over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people. You could not see which was which... The living lay with their heads against the corpses and around them moved the awful, ghostly procession of emaciated, aimless people, with nothing to do and with no hope of life, unable to move out of your way, unable to look at the terrible sights around them ... Babies had been born here, tiny wizened things that could not live ... A mother, driven mad, screamed at a British sentry to give her milk for her child, and thrust the tiny mite into his arms, then ran off, crying terribly. He opened the bundle and found the baby had been dead for days.

"This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life...

Star of David - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp

petras
04-12-2011, 12:35 AM
Idiots.


You are completely right. According to the mainstream teachings all Germans were/are idiots and/or mad dogs and Übermensch geniuses at the same time.

This is quite disturbing and creates a major faith problem because many people are unable to believe in Hollywood religion any longer.

I think the masters of the universe must start to create a new, reliable Nazi image asap.

"Pink Panther Nazi Terrorists" aka Brown Army Faction of course was a good idea and completely in line with the RAF-fiction, but by no means convincing, not even to the man on the street.

What will the cosumers buy further on?

lightgiver
04-12-2011, 12:44 AM
You are completely right. According to the mainstream teachings all Germans were/are idiots and/or mad dogs and Übermensch geniuses at the same time.



The German resistance (Widerstand) was the opposition by individuals and groups in Germany to Adolf Hitler or the National Socialist regime between 1933 and 1945. Some of these engaged in active plans to remove Adolf Hitler from power and overthrow his regime. Their plans culminated in the unsuccessful 20th July plot to assassinate Hitler in 1944.

Memorial plaque to resistance members and wreath at the Bendlerblock, Berlin...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Gedenkkranz_im_Bendler-Block.jpg/452px-Gedenkkranz_im_Bendler-Block.jpg

Approximately 77,000 German citizens were killed for one or another form of resistance by Special Courts, courts martial, and the civil justice system.

The resistance in Germany included German citizens of non-German ethnicity, like the members of Polish minority who formed resistance groups like Olimp.

Almost every community in Germany had members taken away to concentration camps. As early as 1935 there were jingles warning: "Dear Lord God, keep me quiet, so that I don't end up in Dachau." (It almost rhymes in German: Lieber Herr Gott mach mich stumm / Daß ich nicht nach Dachau komm.). "Dachau" refers to the Dachau concentration camp. This is a parody of a common German children's prayer, "Lieber Gott mach mich fromm, daß ich in den Himmel komm."


German resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

petras
04-12-2011, 12:52 AM
According to the mainstream teachings all Germans were/are idiots and/or mad dogs and Übermensch geniuses at the same time.


P.S. Except German Halal Muslims, Democratic Stalinists, Hyper Tolerant Democrats Against Free Speech, Extremely Bigot Christians, Atheist Masonic Zionists, Pedophile Kosher Greens, Ultra Tolerant Liberals For Globalism, Communist Socialists, and all members of any democratic religion/sect of course.

petras
04-12-2011, 01:07 AM
Anarchists and Pirates are doubleplusgood! (almost forgot to mention the latest creation, PLEASE excuse me, Julian Assange and friends!)

hadabusa
04-12-2011, 01:53 AM
Gypsies and other "poor, weird and useless" minority peoples have always been despised and mistreated everywhere. Same thing here in Norway with the Sami just a short while ago.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Saami_Family_1900.jpg/350px-Saami_Family_1900.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people

But did you know that the German Nazis had very friendly relations with the Tibetans?

http://www.westernshugdensociety.org/images/sized/images/sized/remote/images-westernshugdensociety-org-global-dalai-lama-nazi-ss-in-tibet-340x251.jpg

History is so much stranger than people would think.
hey, hitler called russians animal human-human animals.

thats is really all that needs to be said.

oh and towards the end of the war he said it looks like the slavic race is superior to the germans, who dissapointed him totally.

dont you see the irony in that.

the anzi regime was insane, cowardly and every single one shouldve been killed.
every single one from the party deserved execution imo.they asked for total war, they got it and they should have been dealt with much worse than they were.

total war, you got it, total surrender, you got it in the ass.

and now please stfu or go and take up arms if you want a reprise.

lightgiver
04-12-2011, 01:56 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Rosenstrasse_Berlin.jpg/800px-Rosenstrasse_Berlin.jpg
The Rosenstrasse protest was a nonviolent protest in Rosenstraße ("Rose street") in Berlin in February and March 1943, carried out by the non-Jewish ("Aryan") wives and relatives of Jewish men who had been arrested for deportation. The protests escalated until the men were released. It was a significant instance of opposition to the events of the Holocaust...Just after the German defeat in the Battle of Stalingrad, Gestapo had arrested the last of the Jews in Berlin during the Fabrikaktion. Around 1,800 Jewish men, almost all of them married to non-Jewish women (others being the so-called Geltungsjuden), were separated from the other 6,000 of the arrested, and housed temporarily at Rosenstraße 2–4, a welfare office for the Jewish community located in Central Berlin.

The Fabrikaktion...

The Fabrikaktion (Factory Action) is the term for the roundup of the last Jews to be deported starting 27 February 1943. Most of these remaining Jews were working Berlin plants or they were working for the Jewish welfare organisation. The term was coined by the victims after World War II, the Gestapo called the plan Großaktion Juden (Major Action (on) Jews) and in the communications with the factories it was named Evakuierungsaktion (Evacuation Action). While the plan was not restricted to Berlin it became later most notable for the ensuing Rosenstrasse protest in Berlin.

In September 1942 there were about 75,800 Jewish left for labour in the arms industry. Hitler asked on 22 September 1942 to replace them with other people sent in for forced labour.

Rosenstrasse protest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrikaktion

petras
04-12-2011, 01:56 AM
hey, hitler called russians animal human-human animals.

thats is really all that needs to be said.

oh and towards the end of the war he said it looks like the slavic race is superior to the germans, who dissapointed him totally.

dont you see the irony in that.

the anzi regime was insane, cowardly and every single one shouldve been killed.
every single one from the party deserved execution imo.they asked for total war, they got it and they should have been dealt with much worse than they were.

total war, you got it, total surrender, you got it in the ass.

and now please stfu or go and take up arms if you want a reprise.

Yes, Hitler was tripleunplusgood of course.

Thanks for reminding us.

lightgiver
04-12-2011, 02:03 AM
About 4000 of the persons were able to escape - Goebbels wrote in his diary on 2 March 1943...

Dr. Joseph Goebbels, head of Germany's Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. His masterful use of propaganda for Adolf Hitler and the NSDAP made him a prototype of the modern spin doctor in public conscience.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-17049%2C_Joseph_Goebbels_spricht.jpg/419px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-17049%2C_Joseph_Goebbels_spricht.jpg

Sadly it occurred that the better off circles, especially intellectuals, do not understand our Jew politics and in part they take side for the Jews. In consequence our action was betrayed so that a large number of Jews could escape. However we will catch them nonetheless.

This matches with stories of survivors telling that they had been warned by their colleagues and foremen - in one case even a police officer - shortly before the action took place. On the other hand most of the fugitives were captured - the Gestapo used search service and the help of Jewish "Greifer" collaborators. It is estimated that only 1,500 Jews were able to hide away until the end of the war.

Jewish Ghetto Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
04-12-2011, 03:04 AM
Ordensburg Vogelsang is a former national socialist estate placed at the former military training area in the national park Eifel in North Rhine-Westphalia. The landmarked and completely preserved estate was used by the National Socialists between 1936 and 1939 as an educational centre for future leaders. Since 1 January 2006 the area is open to visitors. It is one of the largest architectural relics of National Socialism. The gross area of the landmarked buildings is 50,000 m².

Planning and construction since 1933...

In a 1933 speech in Bernau near Berlin, Adolf Hitler demanded that new schools be built for the children of the leaders of his national socialist German labour party (NSDAP). The task was given to Robert Ley, the "Reichsorganisationsleiter" (literally: Reich Organisational Leader) of the NSDAP, who undertook the construction and operation of four educational camps (NS-Ordensburgen):

1939-1945

At the outbreak of the war in September 1939, the Junkers departed and the Castle of Vogelsang was handed over to the German army (Deutsche Wehrmacht), which used it twice for billeting troops: in 1940 during the western campaign, and in December 1944 during the Ardennes offensive.

The foundation walls constructed for the House of Knowledge (Haus des Wissens) were used for the Van Dooren barrack block, and the adjacent basement, originally intended for an auditorium, became a cinema...

The Last Nazis : Children of the Master Race...
The Last Nazis: Children of the Master Race 1-6 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/N9zti0ZjKiE

During the interim, Vogelsang hosted a couple of classes of the so-called Adolf-Hitler-Schools. In 1944, a military fitness camp for 15- and 16-year-old members of the Hitler Youth (Hitler-Jugend) was held there. Allied air raids destroyed some of the buildings, including the east wing and the gymnasium.

Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler was well known for eugenics programs which attempted to maintain a "pure" German race through a series of programs that ran under the banner of racial hygiene. Among other activities, the Nazis performed extensive experimentation on live human beings to test their genetic theories, ranging from simple measurement of physical characteristics to the research for Otmar von Verschuer carried out by Karin Magnussen using "human material" gathered by Josef Mengele on twins and others at Auschwitz death camp... During the 1930s and 1940s, the Nazi regime forcibly sterilized hundreds of thousands of people whom they viewed as mentally and physically unfit, an estimated 400,000 between 1934 and 1937. The scale of the Nazi program prompted one American eugenics advocate to seek an expansion of their program, with one complaining that "the Germans are beating us at our own game"

Nazi angel of death Josef Mengele 'created twin town in Brazil'
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3353/twins1243896c.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/twins1243896c.jpg/)
One in five pregnancies in the small Brazilian town have resulted in twins - most of them blond haired and blue eyed,the first twins were born in 1963.


Josef Mengele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordensburg_Vogelsang

lightgiver
05-12-2011, 09:37 PM
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3798/00czesc582awakwoknazivi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/00czesc582awakwoknazivi.jpg/)

http://02varvara.wordpress.com/category/world-war-ii/

jon galt
06-12-2011, 12:00 AM
Bjornvan, you need to ask your self why the nazis imprisoned children, when you can honestly answer this to your self, you will have the answers you look for

bjornyvan
06-12-2011, 01:26 AM
why the nazis imprisoned children

What is so unique about "imprisoning children"?

Wanna see some pics of children/teens raped and murdered by your lovely Allies, btw? Maybe a child or two blown to bits by your charming friends the Jews?

Norway puts "children" (teenagers, young adults) in prison too. So does virtually every other country.

You are brainwashed to think that Nazi Germany is the only regime that has ever existed, it seems.

jon galt
06-12-2011, 10:19 AM
What is so unique about "imprisoning children"?
my country or any other country in europe does not arrest and imprison children with out charge, without the commiting a crime and force them to live in squalid conditions. nither do we execute them.
but you are starting to see that these people were imprisoned, not going to the camps volentarly.

Wanna see some pics of children/teens raped and murdered by your lovely Allies, btw? Maybe a child or two blown to bits by your charming friends the Jews?
why would you posses such pictures??

so deluded in your belief bjornyvan , that you see any one who unbiasly looks at the fact as being a puppet for ''the jews''.
this in its self is very telling, rather that look at the facts you have an obvious hatred for jewish people and look for evidence to justify and support this hatred.
many people including myself can be against zionism, but still reach the same conclusion about the holocaust.

dreamscope
06-12-2011, 03:02 PM
Fletcher Prouty (one brave man) speaking on the great false flag that kicked off the 'cold war'. It's all in here.

Col. Fletcher Prouty discusses the Gary Powers U2 flight (part 1) - YouTube

jon galt
06-12-2011, 03:24 PM
britain was establishing palastine as a jewish homeland prior to ww2

bjornyvan
06-12-2011, 03:41 PM
Yeah.

http://www.infopal.it/writable/img/BalfourDeclaration.jpg

lightgiver
06-12-2011, 04:12 PM
Disabled Jews with a black triangle on a yellow – "asocial Jews". Buchenwald, 1938.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Buchenwald_Disabled_Jews_13132_crop.jpg
A chart, ca. 1938–42, of prisoner markings used in German concentration camps.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1529/germanconcentrationcamp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/germanconcentrationcamp.jpg/)

Nazi concentration camp badges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

jon galt
06-12-2011, 04:19 PM
Yeah.

http://www.infopal.it/writable/img/BalfourDeclaration.jpg

this is fairly common knowlage, the rothchilds are zionest.

georgesmiley
06-12-2011, 07:48 PM
petunia

i believe there was question concerning details about the photograph

perhaps you could answer that question please

petunia
06-12-2011, 08:58 PM
petunia

i believe there was question concerning details about the photograph

perhaps you could answer that question please

allegedly depicts Soviet Prisoners, of which 2.8 million were murdered by the Nazis

georgesmiley
06-12-2011, 09:06 PM
thanks for the reply

where was the picture taken/ date (just looking for the facts)

the Allies (with permission from Eisenhower ) caused the deaths of many German soldiers after VE Day in camps w/o sanitation and shelter- please dont say this was justified

I met a man in Germany who fought on the Eastern front who was held in the USSR until 1957- he was not a sole case - why?

petunia
06-12-2011, 09:42 PM
thanks for the reply

where was the picture taken/ date (just looking for the facts)

the Allies (with permission from Eisenhower ) caused the deaths of many German soldiers after VE Day in camps w/o sanitation and shelter- please dont say this was justified

I met a man in Germany who fought on the Eastern front who was held in the USSR until 1957- he was not a sole case - why?

This may be useful to your inquiry.........and this Thread is about NAZI concentration camps.......what the allies did to the axis pop.is also well documented.......as an american I do not deny that the early euro-trash that settled north america brutally murdered millions of the indigenous peoples, and they also brutally enslave africans, and to a lesser degree latinos and chinese.....

Holocaust deniers are akin to an american denying that we killed millions of indians and did not brutallly enslave and murder millions of africans.....


http://www.xoxol.org/dem/declaration.html

Allegedly they are at: Mauthausen concentration camp

Unknown date.

Bundesarchiv Bild 192-208, KZ Mauthausen, Sowjetische Kriegsgefangene.jpg

Some 3.3 million Soviet POWs died in Nazi custody out of 5.7 million. This figure represents a total of 57% of all Soviet POWs and may be contrasted with only 8,300 out of 231,000 British and American prisoners, or 3.6%. Nazi persecution of Soviet Prisoners of War. Some estimates range as high as 5 million dead, including those killed immediately after surrendering (an indeterminate, although certainly very large number). Only 5% of the Soviet prisoners who died were of Jewish ethnicity. Among those who died was Stalin's son, Yakov Dzhugashvili.

The most deaths took place between June 1941 and January 1942, when the Germans killed an estimated 2.8 million Soviet POWs primarily through starvation, exposure, and summary execution, in what has been called, along with the Rwandan Genocide, an instance of "the most concentrated mass killing in human history (...) eclipsing the most exterminatory months of the Jewish Holocaust". By September 1941, the mortality rate among Soviet POWs was in the order of 1% per day. According to the USHMM, by the winter of 1941, "starvation and disease resulted in mass death of unimaginable proportions". This deliberate starvation, leading many desperate prisoners to resort to acts of cannibalism, was Nazi policy in spite of food being available, in accordance to the Hunger Plan developed by the Reich Minister of Food Herbert Backe

John Demjanjuk 6.Germany is guilty of making thousands upon thousands of my countrymen unwilling German collaborators and forcing them to join in the perverse genocide program against Jews, Sinti, Roma, Slavs, Ukrainians, Poles and Russians under the threat of death as hundreds and more than hundreds that wanted to refuse this, were killed for that by the Germans. Over and above this, hundreds of thousands were deported to Ukraine and executed by Stalin or tortured for ages in the Siberian Gulag and lowered to work as slaves for the Communists.

petunia
06-12-2011, 09:45 PM
this is allegedly romani children, victims of the Nazis psuedoscientific medical experiments:

http://www.marefa.org/images/4/40/RomanichildrenAuschwitz.jpg

http://www.marefa.org/index.php/%D9%87%D9%88%D9%84%D9%88%D9%83%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%AA

lightgiver
06-12-2011, 09:52 PM
Nazi Treatment of Gypsies - YouTube
http://youtu.be/YIHU3OdWmT8

The Holocaust in Romania: The Destruction of Jews and Gypsies Under the Antonescu Regime, 1940-1944
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xjNc7qu1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

The Porajmos [ˌpɔʁmɔs] (also Porrajmos or Pharrajimos, literally, devouring or destruction in some dialects of the Romani language) was the attempt made by Nazi Germany, the Independent State of Croatia, Horthy's Hungary and their allies to exterminate the Romani people of Europe during World War II. Under Hitler’s rule, both Roma and Jews were defined as “enemies of the race-based state” by the Nuremberg laws; the two groups were targeted by similar policies and persecution, culminating in the near annihilation of both populations within Nazi-occupied countries

Porajmos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

petras
06-12-2011, 10:28 PM
Recommended read

"The Stroop Report is a Forgery"

petunia
06-12-2011, 10:38 PM
Recommended read

"The Stroop Report is a Forgery"

looks good, exposing the typical low quality, fraudulent efforts of the denierbots. :)

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2007/09/stroop-report-is-forgery-part-1.html


As usual.....the deniers provide the 'usual excuses' for their excesses........
Before we can establish influence, however, we need to discuss and establish the content - memes, tropes, themes, emphases - of antisemitic discourse as it circulated around the ASI and the senior Nazi leadership.

Among the themes and memes that recur in this discourse were

Jewish criminality
fake Talmud quotes
ritual murder/blood libel
Protocols of the Elders of Zion
the supposed power and influence of specific Jewish organisations like the WJC, BBJD, UGIF in
the international Jewish conspiracy in general
Zionism
Jewish communities in different countries in Europe or the US
Jewish Bolshevism
Jews and Freemasonry

petras
06-12-2011, 10:43 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. A friend gave me the printed edition and the evidence was completely convincing.

lightgiver
08-12-2011, 12:03 AM
Identification of inmates in Nazi concentration camps was performed in two ways: by special badges and by identification numbers.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3807/doc4829f3171809e9802910.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/doc4829f3171809e9802910.jpg/)

Metal stamps turned out to be impractical, and later numbers were tattoed with a single needle on the left forearm.

The tattoo was the prisoner's camp number, sometimes with a special symbol added: some Jews had a triangle, and Roma had the letter "Z" (from German Zigeuner for "Gypsy"). In May 1944, the Jews received the letters "A" or "B" to indicate particular series of numbers

National Insurance number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

petras
08-12-2011, 09:10 AM
Why did they make the effort to tattoo each prisoner, if they were to be killed anyway right after the long trip to the camps?

For what reason were they tattooed?

Why did they make the effort to transport the people over far distances, if they were to be killed right after the long trips?

For what reason?

What was the financial situation at that time?
Did they have enough money to spent it on long voyages for millions and millions of prisoners only to kill them right away?

There is no logic at all in the common answers.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060428131&postcount=3614

petunia
08-12-2011, 07:25 PM
Why did they make the effort to tattoo each prisoner, if they were to be killed anyway right after the long trip to the camps?

For what reason were they tattooed?

Why did they make the effort to transport the people over far distances, if they were to be killed right after the long trips?

For what reason?

What was the financial situation at that time?
Did they have enough money to spent it on long voyages for millions and millions of prisoners only to kill them right away?

There is no logic at all in the common answers.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060428131&postcount=3614

It was to dehumanize a human being, to turn them into a number with no dignity due to humans..........this is well known petras..:rolleyes:

The Nazis, using psuedo history, psuedo science and psuedo theology sought to eliminate this Meme. They failed miserably. :)

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060396794&postcount=9

bjornyvan
08-12-2011, 07:29 PM
No. The tattoo ID system was implemented in order to keep better track of the inmates. It was only partly implemented though - not every inmate got such a tattoo.

Dehumanize? Well, the Nazis gave people warm bunks to sleep in, good clothes, good food, let them receive presents from their family, let them play soccer and perform theatre etc. I think they could have been far more ..dehumanizing.. had they wished to.

humanspirit
08-12-2011, 07:39 PM
Why did they make the effort to tattoo each prisoner, if they were to be killed anyway right after the long trip to the camps?

For what reason were they tattooed?

Why did they make the effort to transport the people over far distances, if they were to be killed right after the long trips?

For what reason?

What was the financial situation at that time?
Did they have enough money to spent it on long voyages for millions and millions of prisoners only to kill them right away?

There is no logic at all in the common answers.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060428131&postcount=3614

Because some people made money out of it.

The germans transported their human victims around like cattle are today.

Behind fascism are business men.

The companies behind german fascism are still around today.:eek:

petunia
08-12-2011, 07:53 PM
No. The tattoo ID system was implemented in order to keep better track of the inmates. It was only partly implemented though - not every inmate got such a tattoo.

Dehumanize? Well, the Nazis gave people warm bunks to sleep in, good clothes, good food, let them receive presents from their family, let them play soccer and perform theatre etc. I think they could have been far more ..dehumanizing.. had they wished to.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vMPKjMcEt4oJ:www.sjsu.edu/people/bruce.bramlett/courses/rels194/s11/Eckardt%2520%26%2520Eckardt%2520p.%252021-31%2520Return%2520to%2520the%2520Kingdom%2520of%25 20Night.pdf+the+kingdom+of+night&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&lr=lang_en


shallow, superficial and deceitful............:rolleyes: They transported many of them in cattle cars.

An SS officer de-mands that the narrator's father, an old man, remove his clothes. Neverbefore had the holy man stood entirely naked even before his own eyes.When the officer saw that his victim still persisted in wearing under-clothes, socks, and skull-cap, the brute struck him, and he fell. "He gavea groan that was like the finishing of a last prayer, after which there isno lnore prayer, only a clouded sky, a heap of corpses, and a live offi-cer." The blood from the saintly father's face turned the snow red. . . .sLet us consider how the concept "Holocaust" is to be understood, We resort first to German phraseology for the sake of grappling, asthough from inside Nazi demonry itself, with the eschatological andsalvational nature of the Judenoernichtung, the total annihilation ofJews, The German Nazis determined upon dle Endl'dsung der luden-frage ("the Final Solution of the question of Jews").

This formulationwas put forth officially on 20 January 1942 at a conference at Gross-Wannsee, although the actual decision was probably made earlier.5 TheWannsee dictum was the logical consummation of, or it merely gave expression to, a resolve whose roots are traceable to 1919, when AdolfHitler declared that his ultimate objective was "the removal of the Jewsaltogether," "Removal" became physical "extermination"-a term de-liberately chosen for its association with verminous creatures-when such total elimination of Jews from existence was seen as the essential element in Hitler's apocalyptic struggle to create the new age of themaster race.

According to the minutes of the Wannsee Conference, the eleven million Jews of all Europe were marked for death.6 Yet it is misleadingto comprehend the Holocaust solely within the Aktion of simple killing.

The Endlijsung means that everything is permitted now, any and every method is to be utilized in the struggle-indeed, in the enjoying of the struggle-to obliterate the single pestilence that is destroying the entire world: the jew. The German Nazis taught that the Jew is the untermensch, the contaminator from below. The Jew is anti-human,Gegenrasse. Accordingly, his name is to be taken away; he does not de-serve a name. He is only a number tattooed into his flesh.

The Endlijsung is the competitive "race of the dead" at Treblinkaand elsewhere, a physiological competition that makes one man's sur-vival absolutely dependent upon the next man's extinction. For the raceof death decreed which prisoners would be murdered and which ones"spared."At the heart of the Endlijsung is the utilization of Jews as officiallyselected agents for reviling and torturing their fellow Jews. The-Jew isturned into the accomplice of his executioners. Thus, the Endliisung isultimate degradation: the attempted dehumanization of the Jew as wellas the torture process that makes this possible. The Endltjsung is meantto be total mental, physical, and spiritual breakdown. It is the ontic sep-aration of children and parents, wives and husbands. Child, parent,wife, husband-all these are enforced witnesses to the suffering andannihilation of their loved ones.The chronology of what the Dutch psychiatrist Jan Bastiaans calls"das perfide System" was: Declare the Jew to be the (Jntermensch orCegenrasse; then do everything to make him this, thereby vindicatingyour major premise; and only then, kill him.

In this respect, the Endlii-sung had nothing to do with the specific advent of death, for the ultimate shamefulness lay in staying alive. Objectively speaking, death was transfigured into a form of mercy, Death became salvation-although,of course, the manner of death incarnated the dehumanization and was the mirror image of the terror. It is often said that the nightmares of thecaptives were more frightening than their encounter with death.

Speaking of life in the Vilna ghetto, Abba Kovner, who helped lead the uprising there, attests that the most appalling thing was not death,but to be defiled to the depths of one's soul every hour of the day.8 But perhaps the ultimate in attempted dehumanization was the German Nazi effort to obliterate the Jews and Jewishness from all human memory................These and the many other acts of resistance refute the misleadingand immoral stereotype that the Jews of Europe simply went to theirdeaths with sheeplike compliance. In this resistance the kingdom of night was confronted by the dawning kingdom of day.

Our understanding of the concept "Holocaust" itself poses momentous questions. For example, what is the relation of the Holocaust to different "holocausts," to other acts of mass human destruction? This Hol-ocaust, whose weight we have taken upon ourselves-in what ways is ita singular event? Such questions will engage us throughout these pages.There is the valley of the shadow of death.

And there is the Endlij-sung, that much deeper valley of historical dehumanization, terror, ag-ony, and final murder of the Jew only because he is a jew. Yet there isalso the historic resistance of the Jew to the war against him. A singlelight burns: the German Nazi campaign to dehumanize the Jewish peo-ple was a total failure. Jewry as a whole refused to fall to the level of the Untermensch. Only those who became the real Untermenschen didthat: the enemies of the Jews...............This leads us to one other fundamental dilemma. The problem istied to the bafflement many have confessed before the Judenoernichtung. They ask: how is the unspeakable to be spoken about?

We ought to speak of it all right, but how can we ever do so? Again, how are we to engage in scholarly work upon a subject that staggers the mind and stabs the soul: the human effects of this crusading-political-technological annihilation of an infinity of children, women, and men?

We place the children first in our listing, as a reminder that their de-stroyers robbed them of human completeness. Woe to those who despise the little ones! (Matt. 18:10). Very largely, this book is nothing morethan a sequel to a children's story of a dread kind. In the Holocaustsome one and one-half million Jewish children were destroyed. Theyoungest of children were chased, clubbed, and shot, as if vicious crimi-nals, merely for attempting to smuggle food into the starving ghettos.

The Kinderaktions (roundups of children for transport to the killingcenters) were among the most brutal and thorough of the many SS-police seizures. Most children were immediately put to death upon reaching the camps.

The older and stronger ones were put to work as laborers, usually for about six months. Then they were murdered.The tradition of Jews remembering the suffering and deaths oftheir people in literary and liturgical laments is centuries old. Elias Canetti, a Bulgarian-born Jew writing in 1945, insisted that this traditionmust now cease, precisely when there is the greatest reason for it. Why?

bjornyvan
08-12-2011, 08:10 PM
They transported many of them in cattle cars.

True. Of practical reasons. Not the worst thing that could happen. I bet the Soviets' cattle cars and train trips were a lot worse though. Lower standard and much longer journeys.

petunia
08-12-2011, 08:10 PM
Hitler and the NAZIs goal was to eliminate Jews from earthly existence......


http://theologytoday.ptsem.edu/jan1983/v39-4-bookreview3.htm

In their chapter entitled "Singularity," they discuss the moral uniqueness of the Holocaust and how, within this uniqueness, the Jewish experience was "uniquely unique." How so? It is undeniable that the Final Solution (die Endlösung) formed the critical core of the Holocaust. The Final Solution was not an attempt to destroy some or even many Jews. Rather, it was an act of violence fueled by a fury aimed at the obliteration of the Jewish people as such. Non-Jews had options. But Jews seeking escape via conversion or even by swearing fealty to Hitler ultimately met the same fate as any other Jew. The Nuremberg Laws insured that. But how can the authors affirm the Holocaust as "uniquely unique" vis-a-vis the Jews without denigrating other acts of genocide?

They decry any attempt to subject different forms and cases of human suffering to "competitive criteria." They state that "human suffering is not a quantitative matter subject to some form of objective measurement, but is instead a qualitative condition to be apprehended in existential terms, through the faculty of sympathy." So they call for an approach to the Holocaust which uses a dialectic of continuity (the Holocaust and the solidarity of all human beings in suffering) and discontinuity (the "uniquely unique" experience of the Jews in the Holocaust). They contend that only by employing such a dialectic can we avoid the obscenity of addressing Holocaust survivors by reminding them, for example, of the horrors of the Vietnamese, or the equal obscenity of reminding the Vietnamese sufferers about Auschwitz. Rather, the dialectic of continuity/discontinuity allows the one remembrance to feed the other remembrances. It is their hope that by keeping this dialectic in mind, readers will not construe their stress upon the moral singularity of the Holocaust and its "uniquely unique" Jewish aspect as an "implicit insensitivity to non-Holocaust sufferers." Readers of this volume will find no cause to accuse the authors of insensitivity.

shotokan
09-12-2011, 06:05 AM
Some true stories from the holocaust.

An extract from Olga Lengyel's book " Five chimneys: a woman's survivor story of Auschwitz "

"After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies.. Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry." (Lengyel, 'Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz’ pp 80 - 81).

An extract from Kitty Hart's book " Return to Auschwitz"

"Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period." (Hart, "Return to Auschwitz" p 118).


An extract from Martin Gibert's book "Auschwitz and the allies"

"The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka." (Gilbert, Auschwitz and the Allies, p.26).

So this means, according to Gilbert, if 100,000 jews were gassed every day then the 6million figure was reached in two months. A short holocaust. And this is not even including Auschwitz.
All from the pens of Jews themselves!

hadaka_jimmy
09-12-2011, 08:56 AM
Not exactly. Then they would have simply killed them. They didn't: They put them in camps and gave them very good care. The aim was of course deportation out of Europe, but no countries offered to help with this. They didn't even allow the Jews into their countries. So the Nazis were left with this "hot Jew potato" and couldn't get rid of them. Unless they'd decide to murder them, but that was never an option.

It's so ridiculous it's madness some people believe it.

Why bother gassing Jews? The Germans, masters of efficiency that they are could of systematically killed vastly more Jews through more conventional means. Such as bullets than gassing.

lightgiver
09-12-2011, 07:39 PM
The Neuengamme concentration camp, a Nazi concentration camp, was established in 1938 by the SS near the village of Neuengamme in Bergedorf district within the City of Hamburg, Germany. It was in operation from 1938 to 1945. By the end of the war, more than half of its estimated 106,000 prisoners had died. After being used for two prisons by the Hamburg authorities from 1948 to 2004, the site now serves as a memorial. It is situated 15 km southeast of the centre of Hamburg in the Vierlande area.

A sick Polish survivor in the Hannover-Ahlem concentration camp receives medicine from a German Red Cross worker.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/A_sick_Polish_survivor_in_the_Hannover-Ahlem_concentration_camp_receives_medicine_from_a_ German_Red_Cross_worker.jpg

Inmates were from 28 nationalities (Soviets (34,350), Polish (16,900), French (11,500), German (9,200), Dutch (6,950), Belgian (4,800), Danish (4,800)) and also from the local Jewish community, but also included communists, homosexuals, prostitutes, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, prisoners of war and many other persecuted groups. Of 106,000 inmates, almost half died. 20,400 victims, listed by name on the camp memorial Neuengamme, died in the camp and the subcamps. In actuality, an estimated 26,800 victims are known to have died there. During the last days of the camp and “evacuation” about 17,000 people died. At least 42,900 victims can be verified.

Neuengamme concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

petunia
09-12-2011, 08:09 PM
The Kingdom of Night/NAZI Fascism is hopelessness.

The Kingdom of Day is not the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Kingdom of Night could not vanquish all Goodness.

The Kingdom of Day could not vanquish all Evil.

The Kingdom of Night is absolute dehumanization.

The Kindom of Day is absolute Humanization.
The Kingdom of Night is the slaughter of Jewish children.

The Kingdom of Day is the birth of Jewish children.

Political Soveriegnity for Jews is an essential for the Kingdom of Day.

Israel is the Rainbow. Genesis 9:16

It was the US armys Rainbow Division which liberated one of the Death camps.

Coincidence? YHWHs sign of covenanant with Humankind is the Rainbow, and from the horrors of a Death camp the inmates saw soldiers wearing a Rainbow. :) http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/alpha/n05637.jpg

Israel will not permit another Holocaust, which is what all the lies and propaganda on this Boards goal is.

The Ideology of the disposable Jew met it's nemesis in the 1940s'..Nuclear Power.


The World can no longer dispense Jewish fate.


Anthropotheism=Divinization of man..the NAZIs fatal mistake...........
NAZIism=Absolute control of humans-makes man god.



Malachi 2:10--Have we not all one Father.

Repay kindness with kindness, repay evil with justice.

petunia
09-12-2011, 08:19 PM
Contrary to Bjvorn preposterous, antihistorical claims, here is an example of NAZI 'care'. :rolleyes:

Check it out:
"NAZIism is the Archtype of Idolatry: Finite Human Power exceeds its limits, becomes Psuedo-Absolute, becomes the source of death rather then the source of life.

The Holocaust was the fruit of unlimited human freedom and power

The NAZIs claimed to synthesize economic equality with communal corporate wholeness and spiritual unity.

A desire to install a human as a god and thus pave the way for a final perfection, the human authority decided to destroy/annihilate the people of God, the Yahdaim/Jews.

When Absolute Human Power arose and 'claimed' to be god, then Israel of the Flesh became antithetical and an Enemy of the NAZI Totalitarian State.

the Shoa/Holocaust was the Triumph of Death, a denial of all value to life.

NAZI calculated that if they worked a Jew slave to death over a period of 9 months, the profit per slave was 1,631 RMs(1942). Profit margin was further increased by harvesting gold teeth, utilizing bones, hair, and ashes of the cremated remains.

It is one thing to murder humans it is quite another thing to Number them and turn them into ciphers whilst still alive.

The ultimate denial of the value and uniqeness of the Human Being.

By 1944 the NAZIs were spending less then 1/2 cent to kill a Jew.

Then the NAZIs decided to throw the Jewish children live into bonfires and crematoriums to save the 1/2 cent.

Beyond murder, these are Theological decisions, affirmations of antivalues.

They denied the Image of God/Tzelem Elokim.

They testified Human Life is worthless.

From the perspective of Auschwitz there is no hope.

The NAZIs also killed 500,000 Romani and other undesirables and also 4,000,000 of the 5.5 million Russian POWS.

rorschach
09-12-2011, 09:14 PM
jewish people fled germany right up until germany stopped them .

with germany invading the whole of europe and with its sights on world domination what purpose would deportation ultimately serve exactly .

keep supporting the nazis bj they will back you into a corner and lead to your demise as history has shown us ,
national socialism cannot work its an oxy moron ffs

hitler and his madmen fooled the ignorant german people that his form of marxism was perfect when it was in fact the most flawed of any socio polictical system that had ever been tried , it depended on self sacrifice lies treachery and death to survive for even a short time .

lightgiver
09-12-2011, 11:47 PM
The Final Solution (German: Die Endlösung) was Nazi Germany's plan and execution of the systematic genocide of European Jews during World War II, resulting in the most deadly phase of the Holocaust. Heinrich Himmler was the chief architect of the plan, and the German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler termed it "the final solution to the Jewish question" (German: die Endlösung der Judenfrage)

In a February 26, 1942, letter to German diplomat Martin Luther, Reinhard Heydrich follows up on the Wannsee Conference by asking Luther for administrative assistance in the implementation of the "Endlösung der Judenfrage" (Final Solution to the Jewish Question)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Heydrich-Endlosung.jpg/800px-Heydrich-Endlosung.jpg

By the summer of 1942, Operation Reinhard began the systematic extermination of the Jews, although hundreds of thousands had already been killed by death squads and in mass pogroms. Heinrich Himmler's speech at the Posen Conference of October 6, 1943, for the first time, clearly elucidated to all assembled leaders of the Reich that the "Final Solution" meant that "all Jews would be killed"

To implement the "Final Solution" in the District Wartheland, the regional German authorities constructed the killing center Chelmno, about thirty miles northwest of Lodz. The SS and police killed at least 152,000 people, mostly Jews, but including a few thousand Roma (Gypsies) in gas vans.

To murder the Jews of "Greater Germany" as well as Jews residing in German-occupied or German-influenced areas of western, southern, southeastern and northern Europe, Himmler designated Auschwitz II (Auschwitz-Birkenau) in the spring of 1942 as a killing facility. Auschwitz-Birkenau, along with the Auschwitz main camp, was subordinated to the Inspectorate of Concentration Camps in Berlin. Originally planned as a vast forced-labor camp for Soviet prisoners of war and, later for Jewish forced laborers, Auschwitz-Birkenau began to operate as a killing center in the spring of 1942. The SS authorities murdered approximately one million Jews from various European countries at Auschwitz-Birkenau, including Jews from Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Norway, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, German-occupied western and southwestern Poland, Yugoslavia, Greece, Italy, and Hungary.



Bruno Schulz (July 12, 1892 – November 19, 1942) was a Polish writer, fine artist, literary critic and art teacher born to Jewish parents, and regarded as one of the great Polish-language prose stylists of the 20th century. Schulz was born in Drohobycz, in the province of Galicia then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and spent most of his life there. He was killed by a German Nazi officer.

In 1939, at the dawn of World War II, Schulz was living in Drohobycz, which was occupied by the Soviet Union. He is known to have been working on a novel called The Messiah, but no trace of the manuscript survived his death. Following the German invasion of the Soviet Union, as a Jew, he was forced to live in the ghetto of Drohobycz, but was temporarily protected by Felix Landau, a Nazi Gestapo officer who admired his drawings. During the last weeks of his life, Schulz painted a mural in Landau's home in Drohobycz. Shortly after completing the work, Schulz was walking home through the "Aryan quarter" with a loaf of bread when he was shot and killed by another Gestapo officer, Karl Günther. Günther was a rival of Landau, who had killed Günther's "personal Jew", a dentist. Subsequently, Schultz' mural was painted over and forgotten.



Operation Reinhard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bruno Schulz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060432629&postcount=523

lightgiver
10-12-2011, 12:11 AM
(Holocaust Footage) pt.1

Alfred Hitchcock (Holocaust Footage) pt.1 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/1UWZmwI9O94

(Holocaust Footage) pt.2

Alfred Hitcock (Holocaust Footage) pt.2 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/C9V6N88q

(Holocaust Footage) pt.3

Alfred Hitchcock (holocaust Footage) pt.3 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/aQId-_mB0Pk



You have had plenty documentation...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060432721&postcount=446

lightgiver
10-12-2011, 12:14 AM
Tibet 1938 filmed by Nazis - YouTube
http://youtu.be/D3gw-3usa1c

At least one documentary, Hitler's Search for the Holy Grail, includes footage from the 1939 German expedition to Tibet. The documentary describes it as "the most ambitious expedition" of the SS. This original video material was made accessible again by Marco Dolcetta in his series Il Nazismo Esoterico in 1994...

The swastika was the official emblem of the Nazi Party, and is often used by modern Neo-Nazis.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2692/423pxbundesarchivbild10.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/423pxbundesarchivbild10.jpg/)

The swastika (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (࿕) form in counterclockwise motion or its mirrored left-facing (࿖) form in clockwise motion... Earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India as well as Classical Antiquity. Swastikas have also been used in other various ancient civilizations around the world... It remains widely used in Indian religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, primarily as a tantric symbol to evoke 'shakti' or the sacred symbol of good luck... The swastika is also a Chinese character used in East Asia representing eternity and Buddhism.

That's some vow. Impressive and worth contemplating whether one should make a similar vow. Male/female less important, but "no matter how many lifetimes it takes" that's really something!

Very good, lightgiver.

I recommend this book to everybody:

http://www.wisdom-books.com/Covers/16975.jpg

http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=16975

I love the Roerich painting. Nicholas Roerich was great. I've read 2 or 3 of his books too. "Altai - Himalaya" maybe the best one.

More paintings here: http://www.roerich.org/wwp.html

Nicholas Roerich:

http://www.frankperry.co.uk/images/Nicholas_Roerich_with_Guga_Chohan.jpg

http://timeisart.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/nicholas-roerich5.jpg

Roerich was one of the first white explorers to set foot in those more or less unknown regions of central Asia and did extensive research into the local culture, folklore, legends and religions there. He wrote about it and painted what he saw - often with religious/mythical motifs.

Avidyā means "ignorance" or "delusion" and is the opposite of 'vidyā' (Sanskrit) and 'rig pa' (Wylie). It is used extensively in Buddhist texts.

shotokan
10-12-2011, 12:35 AM
Thatis it. That is your reply to qualitative evidence, quantitative evidence, scientific evidence and empirical evidence. A FUCKING DAD'S ARMY FILM AND HITCHCOCK FILM AFTER THE WAR in Germany where, everybody understands there was no gassings or extermination's. Sad sad sad!

lightgiver
10-12-2011, 12:36 AM
thatis it. That is your reply to qualitative evidence, quantitative evidence, scientific evidence and empirical evidence. A fucking dad's army film and hitchcock film after the war in germany where, everybody understands there was no gassings or extermination's. Sad sad sad!

pathetic...


http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9836/1321225f520.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/85/1321225f520.jpg/)

shotokan
10-12-2011, 12:44 AM
pathetic

Again, that is your riposte, "pathetic". Sad sad sad........

Your lies and machinations are unravelling. People are waking up all over. I know, I have woken up alot of people to this myself. It is so easily broken down and I hope there will be big recriminations when it goes mainstream.

lightgiver
10-12-2011, 12:48 AM
Again, that is your riposte, "pathetic". Sad sad sad........

Your lies and machinations are unravelling. People are waking up all over. I know, I have woken up alot of people to this myself. It is so easily broken down and I hope there will be big recriminations when it goes mainstream.

You people are totally deluded...or you belong to some kind of pathetic neo nazi Organization

A delusion is a false belief held with absolute conviction despite superior evidence.



I saw one while awake. It was a bit bigger than an orange and white in color. It lingered around the room for about 20 seconds. A friend of mine had a similar experience in another location at another time.

I felt the ball of light was intelligent and was "checking me out."

What the fuck are you on about.

At this moment in time innocent men ,women and CHILDREN are being killed, harangued in living CONCENTRATION CAMPS as in Gaza.



http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060411059#post1060411059

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060432456#post1060432456

bendoon
10-12-2011, 12:49 AM
There were over 1000 prison camps in Britain during WW2

Although there is a numeric sequence of 1,026 PoW Camps, there is no indication that this total was ever fully utilised. Substantial gaps exist in the sequence that are common to all sources consulted. Nevertheless, a number of sites have been located that remain unidentified and presumably fitted into the sequence somewhere.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/nov/08/prisoner-of-war-camps-uk

petunia
10-12-2011, 07:01 PM
You people are totally deluded...or you belong to some kind of pathetic neo nazi Organization

A delusion is a false belief held with absolute conviction despite superior evidence.







http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060411059#post1060411059

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060432456#post1060432456


You are 100% correct and when their collective bullshit catches up with them they'll cry like little pansies............... :)

rorschach
10-12-2011, 07:07 PM
You are 100% correct and when their collective bullshit catches up with them they'll cry like little pansies............... :)

neo nazis are typical bullies ok in a group or hidden away :rolleyes:
they fight a lost cause that nobody in their right mind would consider anymore just to justify being as thick as shit :D

petras
10-12-2011, 07:10 PM
neo nazis are typical bullies ok in a group or hidden away :rolleyes:
they fight a lost cause that nobody in their right mind would consider anymore just to justify being as thick as shit :D

I grew up in Germany and lived there for most part of my life but never met a single neo nazi.

Maybe they are all uberneonazis by stealth?

petunia
10-12-2011, 08:28 PM
neo nazis are typical bullies ok in a group or hidden away :rolleyes:
they fight a lost cause that nobody in their right mind would consider anymore just to justify being as thick as shit :D

I grew up in Germany and lived there for most part of my life but never met a single neo nazi.

Maybe they are all uberneonazis by stealth?

In New York we just call em Jerk Offs......wasting their own precious time on earth............bjornvan is a joke............:D

hadaka_jimmy
10-12-2011, 08:31 PM
neo nazis are typical bullies ok in a group or hidden away :rolleyes:
they fight a lost cause that nobody in their right mind would consider anymore just to justify being as thick as shit :D

Yes they are total deluded idiots.

http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/neonazi.jpg

petras
10-12-2011, 08:31 PM
In New York we just call em Jerk Offs......wasting their own precious time on earth............bjornvan is a joke............:D

We call them the same, I am just not quite sure who you are referring to.

Björn Van is quite amusing, yes.

petras
10-12-2011, 08:34 PM
Yes they are total deluded idiots.

http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/neonazi.jpg

I love stereotypes. The primitivity always cheers up.

:)

lightgiver
11-12-2011, 09:38 PM
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5390/holocaust.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/holocaust.jpg/)

bjornyvan
11-12-2011, 09:40 PM
Your Ignorance is Incredulous...and sickening...

Ahmed Rami: Moroccan-Swedish writer, and founder of Radio Islam. Sentenced by a Swedish court in 1990 to six month in prison for hate speech, for material including, but not limited to, Holocaust denial. Has co-written a Holocaust denial book with Swedish Neo-Nazi leader Björn Björkqvist...



I'm aware of this. And you think it's nice and dandy to put people in prison because they have their own opinions on things?

lightgiver
11-12-2011, 09:50 PM
I'm aware of this. And you think it's nice and dandy to put people in prison because they have their own opinions on things?

The facts are the facts, your opinion means zilch...the evidence is there for all to see.

David Irving is a "historian and a neutral observer". A "historian and a neutral observer" who believes that the Jews asked for it.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran. Hosted a 2006 conference, the "International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust", at which the panel of speakers included among others David Duke and Robert Faurisson.

Ernst Zündel: German-born Canadian writer and neo-Nazi, prolific promoter of Holocaust denial through his website and publishing business, recently prosecuted in Germany and sentenced to five years for violating Germany's law against inciting hatred.


In 1922, Hitler told a journalist that:

“ Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows - at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example - as many as traffic allows.

Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.


http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/7813/poljew1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/576/poljew1.jpg/)

— Adolf Hitler, 1922. (Josef Hell, "Aufzeichnung," 1922, ZS 640, p. 5, Institut fuer Zeitgeschichte.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2325/pitj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/pitj.jpg/)

lightgiver
11-12-2011, 11:00 PM
Majdanek was a German Nazi concentration camp on the outskirts of Lublin, Poland, established during the German Nazi occupation of Poland. The camp operated from October 1, 1941 until July 22, 1944, when it was captured nearly intact by the advancing Soviet Red Army. Although conceived as a forced labor camp and not as an extermination camp, over 79,000 people died there (59,000 of them Polish Jews) during the 34 months of its operation...

High-Altitude medical experiments in Dachau. In order to test how pilots who have to eject from their planes will fare, SS doctors simulated high-altitude conditions in a chamber, and exposed people to these conditions. Many prisoners died during such experiments. In order for the simulation to be as real as possible, the prisoner is hung by parachute straps.
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/221/medexp02.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/medexp02.jpg/)

Nazi extermination camps in occupied Poland (marked with black and white skulls)
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8353/ww2holocaustpoland.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/ww2holocaustpoland.png/)

Among German Nazi concentration camps, Majdanek was unusual in that it was located near a major city, not hidden away at a remote rural location. It is also notable as the best-preserved concentration camp of the Holocaust - there had been too little time for the Nazis to destroy the evidence before the Red Army arrived...

In late July 1944, with Soviet forces rapidly approached Lublin, the Germans hastily evacuated the camp. But the staff had only succeeded in partially destroying the crematoria before Soviet Red Army troops arrived on July 24, 1944, making Majdanek the best-preserved camp of the Holocaust. It was the first major concentration camp liberated by Allied forces, and the horrors found there were widely publicised.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6799/maidan02.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/maidan02.jpg/)

Although 1,000 inmates had previously been forcibly marched to Auschwitz (of whom only half arrived alive), the Red Army still found thousands of inmates, mainly POWs, still in the camp and ample evidence of the mass murder that had occurred there.

lightgiver
11-12-2011, 11:20 PM
This poster (from around 1938) reads: "60,000 Reichsmarks is what this person suffering from a hereditary defect costs the People's community during his lifetime. Fellow citizen, that is your money too."
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1774/enthanasiepropaganda.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/enthanasiepropaganda.jpg/)

Action T4 (German: Aktion T4) was the name used after World War II for Nazi Germany's eugenics-based "euthanasia" program during which physicians killed thousands of people who were "judged incurably sick, by critical medical examination". The program officially ran from September 1939 until August 1941, but it continued unofficially until the end of the Nazi regime in 1945

The name T4 was an abbreviation of "Tiergartenstraße 4", the address of a villa in the Berlin borough of Tiergarten which was the headquarters of the Gemeinnützige Stiftung für Heil- und Anstaltspflege, bearing the euphemistic name literally translating into English as Charitable Foundation for Cure and Institutional Care. This body operated under the direction of Reichsleiter Philipp Bouhler, the head of Hitler's private chancellery, and Dr. Karl Brandt, Hitler's personal physician. This villa no longer exists, but a plaque set in the pavement on Tiergartenstraße marks its location.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/A_plaque_set_in_the_pavement_at_No_4_Tiergartenstr asse.JPG/450px-A_plaque_set_in_the_pavement_at_No_4_Tiergartenstr asse.JPG

In October 1939, Hitler signed a back dated "euthanasia decree" to 1 September 1939 which authorized Bouhler and Brandt to carry out the program of "euthanasia" (translated into English as follows):

'Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. med. Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the competence of certain physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen], are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death [Gnadentod] after a discerning diagnosis.

In the summer of 1939, the parents of a severely deformed child (identified in 2007 as Gerhard Kretschmar), born near Leipzig, wrote to Hitler seeking his permission for their child to be put to death. Hitler approved this, and authorized the creation of the Reich Committee for the Scientific Registering of Serious Hereditary and Congenital Illnesses (Reichsausschuss zur wissenschaftlichen Erfassung erb- und anlagebedingter schwerer Leiden), headed by Karl Brandt, his personal physician, and administered by Herbert Linden of the Interior Ministry and SS-Oberführer, Viktor Brack. Brandt and Bouhler were authorized to approve applications to kill children in similar circumstances. Although, Bouhler left the details to subordinates, such as, SA-Oberführer Werner Blankenburg and Brack.

Children subjected to medical experiments in Auschwitz...
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6554/medexp01.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/medexp01.jpg/)

This precedent was used to establish a program of killing children with severe disabilities from which the 'guardian' consent element soon disappeared. From August, the Interior Ministry required doctors and midwives to report all cases of newborns with severe disabilities. Those to be killed were "all children under three years of age in whom any of the following 'serious hereditary diseases' were 'suspected': idiocy and Down syndrome (especially when associated with blindness and deafness); microcephaly; hydrocephaly; malformations of all kinds, especially of limbs, head, and spinal column; and paralysis, including spastic conditions". The reports were assessed by a panel of medical experts, of whom three were required to give their approval before a child could be killed...

lightgiver
11-12-2011, 11:24 PM
Ahmed Rami: Moroccan-Swedish writer, and founder of Radio Islam. Sentenced by a Swedish court in 1990 to six month in prison for hate speech, for material including, but not limited to, Holocaust denial. Has co-written a Holocaust denial book with Swedish Neo-Nazi leader Björn Björkqvist...

lightgiver
12-12-2011, 02:44 AM
Sonderkommandos were work units of Nazi death camp prisoners, composed almost entirely of Jews, who were forced, on threat of their own deaths, to aid with the disposal of gas chamber victims during The Holocaust. The death-camp Sonderkommando, who were always inmates, should not be confused with the SS-Sonderkommandos which were ad hoc units formed from various SS offices between 1938 through 1945.

The term itself in German means "special unit", and was part of the vague and euphemistic language which the Nazis used to refer to aspects of the Final Solution (cf. Einsatzgruppen).

Sonderkommando members did not participate directly in killing; that responsibility was reserved for the guards, while the Sonderkommandos' primary responsibility was disposing of the corpses. They were forced into the position; in most cases they were inducted immediately upon arrival at the camp, and were not given any advance notice of the tasks they would have to perform. They had no way to refuse or resign other than by committing suicide. Because the Germans needed the Sonderkommandos to remain physically able, they were granted moderately less disastrous living conditions than other inmates: they slept in their own barracks, which more than any other in the camp resembled normal human dwellings; they were allowed to keep and use various goods such as food, medicines and cigarettes brought by those who were sent to the gas chambers; and, unlike ordinary inmates, they were not subject to arbitrary, random killing by guards. As a result, Sonderkommando members tended to survive longer than other inmates of the death camps—but very few survived the war.


Sonderkommando - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
12-12-2011, 02:50 AM
Einsatzgruppen (German: "task forces"; singular Einsatzgruppe; official full name Einsatzgruppen der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD) were SS paramilitary death squads that were responsible for mass killings, typically by shooting, of Jews in particular, but also significant numbers of other population groups and political categories. The Einsatzgruppen operated throughout the territory occupied by the German armed forces following the German invasions of Poland, in September, 1939, and later, of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. The Einsatzgruppen carried out operations ranging from the murder of a few people to operations which lasted over two or more days, such as the massacres at Babi Yar (33,771 killed in two days) and Rumbula (25,000 killed in two days). The Einsatzgruppen were responsible for the murders of over 1,000,000 people, and they were the first Nazi organizations to commence mass killing of Jews as an organized policy.

Killing of Jews at Ivangorod, Ukraine, 1942. A woman protects a child with her body as Einsatzgruppen soldiers aim their rifles...
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8196/800pxkievjewkillingsini.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/800pxkievjewkillingsini.jpg/)

The Einsatzgruppen were formed under the direction of SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich (deputy to Heinrich Himmler) and operated by the Schutzstaffel (SS) before and during World War II. From September 1939 forward the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA - Reich Main Security Office) had overall command of the Einsatzgruppen. Their principal task during the war (according to SS General Erich von dem Bach at the Nuremberg Trials) "... was the annihilation of the Jews, Gypsies, and Soviet political commissars". The Einsatzgruppen had a leading role in the implementation of the final solution of the Jewish question (Die Endlösung der Judenfrage) in the conquered territories.


Einsatzgruppen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bjornyvan
12-12-2011, 09:34 AM
You people really are dense.

Why are the people on the right crouching down and taking cover behind (something) the way they do? Can you not see that the soldiers are not aiming at the woman? Gosh, you people are brainwashed and blind.

petunia
12-12-2011, 07:25 PM
Your Ignorance is Incredulous...and sickening...

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/6974/holocaust3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/holocaust3.jpg/)

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4863/holocaust2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/holocaust2.jpg/)




X 1,000,000

perhaps it is not ignorance, but deliberate deceit? Nobody could be that stupid. :confused:

lightgiver
12-12-2011, 08:16 PM
You people really are dense.

Why are the people on the right crouching down and taking cover behind (something) the way they do? Can you not see that the soldiers are not aiming at the woman? Gosh, you people are brainwashed and blind.

Stop talking out of you deluded arse...just look which way the woman is facing dimwit...taking cover behind what exactly.

Your Ignorance is Incredulous...and sickening...

Ahmed Rami: Moroccan-Swedish writer, and founder of Radio Islam. Sentenced by a Swedish court in 1990 to six month in prison for hate speech, for material including, but not limited to, Holocaust denial. Has co-written a Holocaust denial book with Swedish Neo-Nazi leader Björn Björkqvist...

petras
12-12-2011, 08:51 PM
When was this thread renamed "Most famous faked WWII pictures"?

lightgiver
12-12-2011, 08:56 PM
When was this thread renamed "Most famous faked WWII pictures"?

Just like your snowflakes.

FAKE snowflakes?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/10/article-2072639-0F220C8300000578-47_634x697.jpg

thirdwave
12-12-2011, 09:35 PM
I've seen it all before.

Could you answer my question, or are you stuck in some Holocaust psychosis, lightgiver?

American parachute in a German camp?
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/221/medexp02.jpg

Well, who cares about silly details.

Its not an American shoot, its a German one, that was already cleared up on a thread a long time ago.

petras
12-12-2011, 09:37 PM
Its not an American shoot, its a German one, that was already cleared up on a thread a long time ago.

Would be nice if you add the link. There are so many Holocaust threads with good information and deliberate disinformation on this board.

thirdwave
13-12-2011, 12:44 AM
Would be nice if you add the link. There are so many Holocaust threads with good information and deliberate disinformation on this board.

Its out there as it was posted on another thread ages ago when some plank was trying to make out it was a US parachute,because of the style, but the Germans create that style and the US copied it.

just had a quick flick through but cant find it at the mo.. will look more tomorrow.. ...

You only need to ask the question really, even if it was fake, why would they use a US parachute? ... bit Laurel and Hardy don't you think?

petras
13-12-2011, 12:51 AM
Its out there as it was posted on another thread ages ago when some plank was trying to make out it was a US parachute,because of the style, but the Germans create that style and the US copied it.

just had a quick flick through but cant find it at the mo.. will look more tomorrow.. ...

You only need to ask the question really, even if it was fake, why would they use a US parachute? ... bit Laurel and Hardy don't you think?


Of course the truth is out there. I know it. And I guess you know it, too.
Nevertheless, I would have expected just a bit more committment and evidence from you,
as you are a moderator here.

thirdwave
13-12-2011, 12:52 AM
this is not quite as detailed as the last one, but here you can see the 1942 German Parachute ..

http://windows.mouselike.org/murban.net/index.asp?DoAction=FilterSection&sectionid=43&x=1

petras
13-12-2011, 12:55 AM
this is not quite as detailed as the last one, but here you can see the 1942 German Parachute ..

http://windows.mouselike.org/murban.net/index.asp?DoAction=FilterSection&sectionid=43&x=1


What does this prove and how are these pictures evidence that Jewish people were gassed in millions in German concentration camps?

Thanks nonetheless.

thirdwave
13-12-2011, 12:58 AM
I personally think when they try to debunk it with crap like that, its embarrassing..

while they claim these people were devious and smart enough to trick the whole world, they will be happy to make out there are thick enough to make such a stupid mistake...

it obviously was a German one, and there were obviously several styles of them as there was with much military equipment.

thirdwave
13-12-2011, 01:01 AM
What does this prove and how are these pictures evidence that Jewish people were gassed in millions in German concentration camps?

Thanks nonetheless.

You have lost me now! lol

I made a comment that the parachute was German and not America like the other chap claimed.

At not one stage did I state or imply that it was evidence that millions of people were gassed.

although there is sufficient evidence that has been produced numerous times that does prove that many people were gassed to death in camps.. You are free to dispute it if you are in need to, but it does not mean you have the facts to claim they are all lies.

petras
13-12-2011, 01:03 AM
I personally think when they try to debunk it with crap like that, its embarrassing..

while they claim these people were devious and smart enough to trick the whole world, they will be happy to make out there are thick enough to make sure a stupid mistake...

it obviously was a German one, and there were obviously several styles of them as there was with much military equipment.

Hey, thanks. I will get informed about the context asap.

Did you ever hear about the usual false flags in war when soldiers dress in uniforms of their enemies and commit war crimes?

thirdwave
13-12-2011, 01:10 AM
Hey, thanks. I will get informed about the context asap.

Did you ever hear about the usual false flags in war when soldiers dress in uniforms of their enemies and commit war crimes?

Maybe, To what extent I have no idea..

Did you ever heard about Nazi's scientists doing experiments on their captors?
Did you also hear about how many of them relocated and worked in the US after the war?

petras
13-12-2011, 01:16 AM
Maybe, To what extent I have no idea..

a) Did you ever heard about Nazi's scientists doing experiments on their captors?
b) Did you also hear about how many of them relocated and worked in the US after the war?

a) Of course. This was an important part of my childhood. It started in kindergarten and ended when I threw my tv set out of the window.
b) Of course. Operation paperclip. The "victors" kidnapped as many scientist as they could. Otherwise the German patents for "machines", weapons and other inventions would have been useless to them. They did not know how to operate or reconstruct them (novelties).

petras
13-12-2011, 01:57 PM
Gross!


Herman Rosenblatt bei ABC - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaJt31RNIy8

thirdwave
13-12-2011, 05:56 PM
Makes me laugh that

First you cook up some bullshit about it being a US parachute..

Then when its pointed out its not.

Then we move onto some story about them being moles from the US dressed up as Germans sent to commit War crimes for them..

Which would kind of contradict your first bullshit story about him being dressed in a US parachute lol ..

I guess anything you can grab your hands on.

bjornyvan
13-12-2011, 06:05 PM
Mr. Parachute

OK then: Post your full and complete info about this terrible parachute story. Let's have a look at it.

thirdwave
13-12-2011, 06:22 PM
Mr. Parachute

OK then: Post your full and complete info about this terrible parachute story. Let's have a look at it.

What story?

You said it was not a German Parachute, its your story not mine!

What the point on tell you anything, you have a passionate desire to think the way you do and nothing will change it even if new potent evidence was reviled.. you would just try to smear it and desperately seek more info to reassure your belief.

but its been fun this end! lol

petunia
13-12-2011, 08:02 PM
very curious bjvorn, I can find no supporting Documents for this fabrication you have Posted, neither for the quote or the mans name.

How do you explain that? :confused:

cat kthxbai - Google Search


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bjornyvan
13-12-2011, 08:08 PM
very curious bjvorn, I can find no supporting Documents for this fabrication you have Posted, neither for the quote or the mans name.

How do you explain that? :confused:


I think it must be the Nazi conspiracy which controls the internet. The Nazis are everywhere and they remove the best Holocaust stories from the net all the time.

They didn't remove this one though:

http://www.cwporter.com/68mirth.jpg

Or this one:

http://www.cwporter.com/13mirth.jpg

lightgiver
14-12-2011, 01:55 AM
Albert Speer, born Berthold Konrad Hermann Albert Speer, March 19, 1905 – September 1, 1981) was a German architect who was, for a part of World War II, Minister of Armaments and War Production for the Third Reich. Speer was Adolf Hitler's chief architect before assuming ministerial office. As "the Nazi who said sorry", he accepted responsibility at the Nuremberg trials and in his memoirs for crimes of the Nazi regime. His level of involvement in the persecution of the Jews and his level of knowledge of the Holocaust remain matters of dispute...

Following his release from Spandau in 1966, Speer published two bestselling autobiographical works, Inside the Third Reich and Spandau: The Secret Diaries, detailing his often close personal relationship with Hitler, and providing readers and historians with a unique perspective on the workings of the Nazi regime. He later wrote a third book, Infiltration, about the SS. Speer died of natural causes in 1981 while on a visit to London, England...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Adolf_Hitler_in_Paris_1940.jpg/442px-Adolf_Hitler_in_Paris_1940.jpg

By February 1945, Speer, who had long concluded that the war was lost, was working to supply areas about to be occupied with food and materials to get them through the hard times ahead. On March 19, 1945, Hitler issued his Nero Decree, ordering a scorched earth policy in both Germany and the occupied territories. Hitler's order, by its terms, deprived Speer of any power to interfere with the decree, and Speer went to confront Hitler, telling him the war was lost. Hitler gave Speer 24 hours to reconsider his position, and when the two met the following day, Speer answered, "I stand unconditionally behind you." However, he demanded the exclusive power to implement the Nero Decree, and Hitler signed an order to that effect. Using this order, Speer worked to persuade generals and Gauleiters to evade the Nero Decree and avoid needless sacrifice of personnel and destruction of industry that would be needed after the war

Speer joined the Nazi Party in 1931, launching him on a political and governmental career which lasted fourteen years. His architectural skills made him increasingly prominent within the Party and he became a member of Hitler's inner circle. Hitler commanded him to design and construct a number of structures, including the Reich Chancellery and the Zeppelinfeld stadium in Nuremberg where Party rallies were held. Speer also made plans to reconstruct Berlin on a grand scale, with huge buildings, wide boulevards, and a reorganized transportation system...

Berlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=190100

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060228271&postcount=672

lightgiver
14-12-2011, 02:00 AM
The Nero Decree (German: Nerobefehl) was issued by Adolf Hitler on March 19, 1945 ordering the destruction of German infrastructure to prevent their use by Allied forces as they penetrated deep within Germany. It was officially titled Demolitions on Reich Territory and has subsequently become known as the Nero Decree, after the Roman Emperor Nero, who was supposed to have engineered the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD...

Berlin in ruins after World War II (Potsdamer Platz, 1945)...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Potsdamer_Platz_1945.jpg

By 1945, Hitler's vision of a Nazi-ruled Europe had unraveled. Allied armies were advancing from both the East and the West. However, Hitler was not willing to lay down arms and accept the unconditional surrender.

This was not the first time Hitler had tried to destroy infrastructure before it could be taken. Shortly before the Liberation of Paris, Hitler ordered explosives to be placed around important landmarks, such as the Eiffel Tower, and key transportation hubs. If the Allies came near the city, the military governor, Dietrich von Choltitz was to detonate these bombs, leaving Paris "lying in complete debris." von Cholitz, however, did not carry out the order and surrendered to the Allies, remarking later on that "If for the first time I had disobeyed, it was because I knew that Hitler was insane."

Maybe the question should be ,why is Britain such a shithole compared to Germany/Bavaria/France/Switzerland/Australia/Scandinavia etc etc etc...

Who really won the war...

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8770/9781905570270.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/9781905570270.jpg/)

Historically the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776...The Illuminati, from the Latin for illuminated/enlightened (ones)..Roughly translated ...so below...


Nero Decree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=104781&page=27

lightgiver
14-12-2011, 02:40 AM
An architect is a person trained in the planning, design and oversight of the construction of buildings... To practice architecture means to offer or render services in connection with the design and construction of a building, or group of buildings and the space within the site surrounding the buildings, that have as their principal purpose human occupancy or use. Etymologically, architect derives from the Latin architectus, itself derived from the Greek arkhitekton (arkhi-, chief + tekton, builder), i.e. chief builder...

Kingdom Tower (Arabic: برج المملكة‎‎), previously known as Mile-High Tower (Arabic: برج الميل‎‎), is a supertall skyscraper approved for construction in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia at a preliminary cost of SR4.6 billion (US$1.23 billion)

Monty Python- Architect Sketch - YouTube
http://youtu.be/e2PyeXRwhCE

According to David Childs of Skidmore, Owings and Merrill, the project architect of the new 1 World Trade Center, the tower... will be a symbol of the entire project, as well as marking the memorial, and it occupies a very important piece of New York City property: the sky...February 2007 estimates put the cost for construction of 1 WTC at $3 billion, or $1,150 per square foot ($12,380 per square meter)... Approximately $1 billion of insurance money recouped by Silverstein in connection with the September 11 attacks was used for construction of the new tower..


http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4190/telescreen.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/telescreen.png/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_architects

List of German architects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
14-12-2011, 03:00 AM
The Thirty-Six Stratagems was a Chinese essay used to illustrate a series of stratagems used in politics, war, as well as in civil interaction, often through unorthodox or deceptive means.

The Stratagems are often misnamed as strategies; however, a stratagem (synonymous with ruse) is not the same thing as a strategy (being a long-term plan or outline).

Deceive the heavens to cross the ocean...Prepare too much and you lose sight of the big picture; what you see often you do not doubt. Yin (the art of deception) is in Yang (acting in open). Too much Yang (transparency) hides Yin (true ruses).

Loot a burning house...When a country is beset by internal conflicts, when disease and famine ravage the population, when corruption and crime are rampant, then it will be unable to deal with an outside threat. This is the time to attack.

Hide a knife behind a smile (笑裏藏刀/笑里藏刀, Xiào lǐ cáng dāo)...Charm and ingratiate yourself to your enemy. When you have gained his trust, move against him in secret.

Sacrifice the plum tree to preserve the peach tree (李代桃僵, Lǐ dài táo jiāng)...There are circumstances in which you must sacrifice short-term objectives in order to gain the long-term goal. This is the scapegoat stratagem whereby someone else suffers the consequences so that the rest do not.

Disturb the water and catch a fish (渾水摸魚/浑水摸鱼, Hún shuǐ mō yú) with "浑“ sometimes written ”混“。... Create confusion and use this confusion to further your own goals.

Obtain safe passage to conquer the State of Guo (假道伐虢, Jiǎ dào fá Guó)...Borrow the resources of an ally to attack a common enemy. Once the enemy is defeated, use those resources to turn on the ally that lent you them in the first place.

Let the enemy's own spy sow discord in the enemy camp (反間計/反间计, Fǎn jiàn jì)... Undermine your enemy's ability to fight by secretly causing discord between him and his friends, allies, advisors, family, commanders, soldiers, and population. While he is preoccupied settling internal disputes, his ability to attack or defend, is compromised.


The phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend is a proverb that advances the concept that someone who is the enemy of your enemy is therefore your friend. It further means that because two parties have a common enemy, one can use the other to advance their goals. Often described as an Arabic proverb, there is also an identical Chinese proverb.

The phrase "you're either with us, or against us" and similar variations are used to depict situations as being polarized and to force witnesses and bystanders to become allies or lose favour. The implied consequence of not joining the team effort is to be deemed an enemy...The statement can sometimes be interpreted as a splitting or a false dilemma, which is an informal fallacy; however, it may also serve merely as a descriptive statement identifying the beliefs of the speaker(s), and thus state a basic assumption and not a logical conclusion. It may also be interpreted as a speech act.

Ben Hur - Ben Hur rincontra Messala - YouTube
http://youtu.be/3M2Q_Y6c0E0

In the movie Ben-Hur, the protagonist meets with his childhood friend Messala. He has barely said hello to Ben-Hur when he is dunning him for the names of those Jews who are speaking out against the Roman occupation... Ben-Hur refuses to act as informer, and Messala utters, "You're either with me or against me"...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us,_or_against_us

bjornyvan
14-12-2011, 03:54 AM
Speer also made plans to reconstruct Berlin on a grand scale, with huge buildings, wide boulevards, and a reorganized transportation system

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B6yyls5-yvg/Sp6jxmEGi9I/AAAAAAAAALo/2rZnku_DVX0/s400/Speer_Hitler.jpg

Yes. The Nazis had excellent taste and great vision. At least much better than the social-democrats and the commies.

http://cdn.miragestudio7.com/wp-content/uploads2/2007/07/albert_speer_dome_domed_hall_hitler_architect2.jpg

The anti-Nazi documentary Architecture of Doom is actually quite a good advertisement for the brilliance of the Nazis. I recommend it:

Architecture of Doom 01 of 12 - YouTube

The discriminating viewer can of course notice that no evidence for any Nazi extermination of innocents is presented in this documentary. Just the standard superficial propaganda. Most of the film, however, is not about the usual Holohoax stuff, but about the Nazis' policy and vision regarding art and culture.

In the film is also presented a rare German infomercial for the pesticide Zyklon B.

Concerning aesthetics - it should also be said that the Nazis had the coolest uniforms and regalia:

http://images.nonexiste.net/img/irc/2009/01/18/Allgemeine-SSa.jpg

Look - concentration camp money:

http://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img3/item/212/234/112/ww2-nazi-german-concentration-camp-money-2-prop-look-ac4e4.gif

Stylish parades:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080316013540/uncyclopedia/images/f/ff/Richland_Military_Parade.jpg

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/9051-7/nazi_parade.jpg

Groupies:

http://www.gendercide.org/images/pics/jews6.jpg

lightgiver
14-12-2011, 04:40 AM
Just a pity everyone was used for another agenda...maybe you have not read into it...per usual...I think you are living in some deluded neo nazi fantasy world...maybe you dress up in your leather jacket and boots...when no one is looking...

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9164/nazilovecampposter.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/nazilovecampposter.jpg/)

I would say germany is better off than the UK because of the war...

The Nero Decree (German: Nerobefehl) was issued by Adolf Hitler on March 19, 1945 ordering the destruction of German infrastructure to prevent their use by Allied forces as they penetrated deep within Germany. It was officially titled Demolitions on Reich Territory and has subsequently become known as the Nero Decree, after the Roman Emperor Nero, who was supposed to have engineered the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD...

Berlin in ruins after World War II (Potsdamer Platz, 1945)...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Potsdamer_Platz_1945.jpg
"If for the first time I had disobeyed, it was because I knew that Hitler was insane."

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B6yyls5-yvg/Sp6jxmEGi9I/AAAAAAAAALo/2rZnku_DVX0/s400/Speer_Hitler.jpg

Yes. The Nazis had excellent taste and great vision. At least much better than the social-democrats and the commies.



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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/index.htm

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lightgiver
16-12-2011, 08:17 PM
So are you, at least lightgiver posts truths, you, on the otherhand, post falsehoods...........:D

Here's agroup you should join.for solidarity of course..........;)

http://files.sharenator.com/fritz_and_marius_My_little_nazi_dolls-s550x634-21134-580.jpg

Vintage action man Operation - YouTube
http://youtu.be/fUpT0cxERDA

Kill the SS soldier!..
GPMG from shoulder - YouTube
http://youtu.be/IgLNq6Dn8vQ

georgesmiley
16-12-2011, 08:17 PM
you just dont get irony do you people

what death camps -

lightgiver
16-12-2011, 10:00 PM
Lager Helgoland was a Nazi concentration camp on Alderney in the Channel Islands, named after the Frisian Island of Heligoland (in German, Helgoland), formerly a Danish and then British possession located 46 kilometres (29 mi) off the German North Sea coastline and belonging to Germany since 1890.

The Germans built four concentration camps on Alderney, subcamps of the Neuengamme concentration camp (located in Hamburg, Germany). Each subcamp was named after one of the Frisian Islands: Lager Norderney located at Saye, Lager Borkum at Platte Saline, Lager Sylt near the old telegraph tower at La Foulère and Lager Helgoland, situated in the northwest corner of the island. 700 people died in the Alderney concentration camps (out of a total inmate population of about 6,000). These were the only Nazi concentration camps on British soil.

It was organised by the Schutzstaffel - SS-Baubrigade I—which was first under supervision of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp; and since mid-February 1943 ran under the Neuengamme camp in northern Germany. It was used by the Nazi Organisation Todt, a forced labour programme, to build bunkers, gun emplacements, air-raid shelters, and concrete fortifications.

lightgiver
17-12-2011, 12:16 AM
The Potulice concentration camp was established during World War II by German state authorities in occupied Poland in Potulice near Nakło. It is notable as a detention centre for Polish children that underwent the Nazi experiment in forced Germanisation...Initially the Potulice camp was a transit point for Poles expelled by the German authorities from the area annexed as Reichsgau Danzig-Westpreussen.

Warning Graphic...
Nazi Concentration Camp Documentary Film Footage Part 3 (1945) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/r169e9UBQFE

As part of camp life the children were forced to perform slave work. Children who reached thirteen years old were sent to work outside the camp, even working night shifts. Under the supervision of kapo they usually were used to carry building materials or stones, or used to load coal, wood, and potatoes at the railway station. Children over six years old were forced to work inside the camp. Failure to work as ordered or even minor acts of disobedience were faced with brutal punishments. For example, when the under-fed children were sent to pick up berries, after work they had to show their mouths. If any child had signs of eating the berries, he would be quickly beaten by a heavy whip used for bulls.Other punishments, like standing in the rain or on pine cones, were also commonplace. Regardless of the season of the year, all the children were forced to stand for hours in roll calls (appells) in their underwear and often without shoes.

One child recalled his ordeal in the camp: "Out of hunger I together with my six-year-old friend decided to take two or three potatoes, which we wanted to roast in an oven. This was seen by some German out of the guardhouse, who ran after us. After taking the potatoes from us, we were taken to the guardhouse and there Germans had beaten us severely. We were hit by leather whips, and during this beating I fainted. I regained consciousness as a result of enormous pain I felt. I realized that Germans are holding me in place and one of them is burrowing a hole in my leg with a heated iron rod. I started to scream and fainted again."

Potulice concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
18-12-2011, 12:05 AM
Jasenovac concentration camp (Croatian, Serbian: Logor Jasenovac; Serbian Cyrillic: Логор Јасеновац. Yiddish: יאסענאוואץ, Hebrew: יסנובץ, sometimes spelled "Yasenovatz") was the largest extermination camp in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) and occupied Yugoslavia during World War II. The camp was established by the Ustaše (Ustasha) regime in August 1941 and dismantled in April 1945. In Jasenovac, the largest number of victims were ethnic Serbs, whom Ante Pavelić considered the main racial opponents of the NDH, alongside the Jews and Roma peoples...

Roma Holocaust - YouTube
http://youtu.be/8TghTGPXILw

On 10 April 1941, the Independent State of Croatia was established, supported by Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. It adopted their racial and political doctrines. Jasenovac's role in the Nazi "final solution" was as the ethnic cleansing of the Serbian, Romany and Jewish inhabitants.

The Ustase's death camps were directed by numerous Nazi sources:

The office of foreign affairs, represented in Croatia by Siegfried Kasche.
The S.S., represented by a Gestapo official whose identity has not been fully established, but whom Jewish witnesses knew as "Miller".
The Reichsfuhrung and the Wehrmacht.

The competition between the different authorities would not usually benefit the Jews, but actually caused each to try and excel past its competitors in maltreatment of Jews and others. The Nazis encouraged the Ustase's anti-Jewish and anti-Roma actions and showed support for the extermination of Serb policy. Soon, the Nazis began to make clear their genocidal goals, as shown by the speech Hitler gave to Slavko Kvaternik, at their meeting on 21 July 1941:

The Jews are the bane of mankind. If the Jews will be allowed to do as they will, like they are permitted in their Soviet heaven, then they will fulfill their most insane plans. And thus Russia became the center to the world's illness... if for any reason, one nation would endure the existence of a single Jewish family, that family would eventually become the center of a new plot. If there are no more Jews in Europe, nothing will hold the unification of the European nations... this sort of people cannot be integrated in the social order or into an organized nation. They are parasites on the body of a healthy society, that live off of expulsion of decent people. One cannot expect them to fit into a state that requires order and discipline. There is only one thing to be done with them: To exterminate them. The state holds this right since, while precious men die on the battlefront, it would be nothing less than criminal to spare these bastards. They must be expelled, or – if they pose no threat to the public – to be imprisoned inside concentration camps and never be released.



Jasenovac concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
18-12-2011, 12:23 AM
Commanding the camp was Amon Göth, an SS commandant from Vienna who was known for being uncommonly sadistic in his treatment and killing of prisoners. Göth would never sit down to a breakfast without shooting at least one victim. On March 13, 1943, he personally oversaw the liquidation of the Kraków Ghetto nearby, forcing its Jewish inhabitants deemed capable of work into the KL Plaszow camp. Those who were declared unfit for work were either sent to Auschwitz or shot on the spot. Under him were his staff of Ukrainian SS personnel, followed by 600 Germans of the SS-Totenkopfverbände (1943–1944), and a few SS women, including Gertrud Heise, Luise Danz, Alice Orlowski and Anna Gerwing.

The camp was a slave Arbeitslager (English: Labour Camp), supplying manpower to several armament factories and a stone quarry. The death rate in the camp was very high. Many prisoners, including many children and women, died of typhus, starvation and executions. Płaszów camp became particularly infamous for both individual and mass shootings carried out there. Using Hujowa Górka, a large hill close to the camp commonly used for executions, some 8,000 deaths took place outside the camp’s fences with prisoners trucked in 3 to 4 times weekly. The covered lorries from Kraków used to arrive in the morning. The condemned were walked into a trench of the Hujowa Górka hillside and shot, bodies then covered with dirt layer upon layer. In early 1944 all corpses were exhumed and burnt in a heap to hide the evidence. Witnesses later attested that 17 truckloads of human ashes were removed from the burning site, and scattered over the area.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Amon_G%C3%B6th%27s_house.jpg

Amon Göth's house in Płaszów ; from this balcony, he would shoot at prisoners from the camp, working below.

Schindler's List Amon Goeth Scene - YouTube
http://youtu.be/eQZ4nIJUTqI

All documents pertaining to the mass killings and executions were entrusted by commandant Göth to a high ranking female member of the SS, Kommandoführerin Alice Orlowski. She held these documents in her possession until the end of the war, then allegedly destroyed them. Alice Orlowski, a picture-perfect SS-woman, was known for her whippings especially of young women across their eyes. At roll call she would walk through the lines of women, and personally whip them...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w-P%C5%82asz%C3%B3w_concentration_camp

lightgiver
18-12-2011, 01:19 AM
The Soldau concentration camp was a concentration camp established by Nazi Germany during World War II in Działdowo (German: Soldau), which after the occupation of Poland was part of East Prussia.

With the approval of Reinhard Heydrich, Otto Rasch founded the camp in the winter of 1939/40 as a Durchgangslager (Dulag), or transit camp, where political prisoners could be secretly executed. In accordance with Action T4, mental patients at sanatoria in East Prussia and Regierungsbezirk Zichenau were taken to the Soldau camp; 1,558 patients were murdered by the Lange Commando in a gas van from May 21 to June 8, 1940

13,000 out of 30,000 prisoners were murdered. Known victims include:

Original Nazi Concentration Camp Video Uncensored - part 2 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/sz65pzbi2r4

Antoni Julian Nowowiejski, Roman Catholic bishop (1858-1941)
Leon Wetmański, bishop (1886-1941)[5]
Mieczysława Kowalska, nun (1902-1941)
Władysław Skierkowski, priest (1886-1941)

Soldau concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
18-12-2011, 03:47 AM
Shark Island Extermination Camp is regarded as the world's first extermination camp (Vernichtungslager). The site was used by the German colonial empire during the Herero and Namaqua genocide of 1904-1908. Three thousand Herero and Namaqua rebels in the German-Herero conflict of 1904-1908 died there...

One of the primary reasons Germany was attracted to South West Africa was as an area to settle poor German farmers.However, in 1908 diamonds and other mineral deposits (copper, vanadium, gold, lead, and zinc) were discovered in the area around the Namib desert. Thus, German South West Africa became economically desirable to both Germany and Great Britain. Forced labour from Shark Island was used to build the town of Lüderitz on the adjacent mainland and local railways....

Skull of Shark Island Prisoner Used for Medical Experimentation (child)...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/db/Shark_Island_-_Death_Camp_-_BBC.jpg

Just as with the extermination and concentration camps during the Third Reich, unsuspecting victims were transported by train or on foot from collection camps or other concentration camps to Shark Island Death Camp. The less lucky (such as those who were sick or starving) were shot before they got to Shark Island.

Also active both in Deutsch-Südwestafrika and in Nazi Germany were two members of a well-known family: Heinrich Ernst Göring and Hermann Göring.

"There were numerous smaller and lesser concentration camps in the colony. Some pertained to private businesses such as the Woermann company and others to government related projects such as railway construction, which saw several thousands of Herero 'accommodated' in 'Railway Concentration Labour Camps'."

"Hereros working in Swakopmund had been rounded up and interned on two Woermann line ‘steamers’ anchored off the coastal town’s shores."

Firma Lenz used slave labor to build railway embankments.

The Arthur Koppel Company constructed the Otavi railroad.

Etappenkommando in charge of supplies of prisoners to companies, private persons, etc., as well as any other materials. Concentration camps implies poor sanitation and a population density that would imply disease.

Prisoners were used as slave laborers in mines and railways, for use by the military or settlers.

The Herero and Namaqua genocide has been recognised by the United Nations and by the German Federal Republic. At the 100th anniversary of the camp's foundation, German Minister for Economic Development and Cooperation Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul commemorated the dead on-site and apologised for the camp on behalf of Germany...



Shark Island Extermination Camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bjornyvan
18-12-2011, 05:35 PM
The terrible Nazis in their horrible camps of death:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7014750.stm

lightgiver
18-12-2011, 08:44 PM
Originally built in the summer of 1941, on the site of a Soviet kolkhoz, as a concentration camp, to house Soviet prisoners of war who had been captured following the German attack on the Soviet Union which commenced on June 22 of that year; (it was known as Operation Barbarossa). The camp became a Vernichtungslager, or extermination camp, on May 10, 1942 when the first consignment of Jews arrived. While many Jews from Germany, Austria and the present-day Czech Republic met their deaths there, (in most cases almost immediately upon their arrival, by being trucked to the nearby Blagovshchina (Благовщина) and Shashkovka (Шашковка) forests killing grounds and shot in the back of the neck), the primary purpose of the camp was the extermination of the substantial Jewish community of Minsk and the surrounding area. Mobile gas chambers deployed here performed a subsidiary if not insignificant function in the genocidal process.

Hitler's Henchmen - The Executioner - Heinrich Himmler - YouTube
http://youtu.be/l92DPlDbAPY

On June 28, 1944, as the Red Army approached the region, the Nazis blew the camp up in an attempt to obliterate evidence of its existence, conforming with the aims of the so‑called Aktion 1005. But the Soviets are said to have discovered 34 grave‑pits, some (not all) measuring as much as 50 meters in length and three to four meters in depth, located in the Blagovshchina Forest some 500 meters from the Minsk–Mogilev highway, at about the 11th‑kilometer mark (according to the special report prepared by the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission in the 1940s). Only two jewish prisoners managed to survive Maly Trostenets. However, only one of them survived the war, but his identety is unkown and he never gave testimony. Original estimates of the number of people killed there ranged from 200,000 to more than half a million. Yad Vashem currently estimates the number as 65,000 Jews.Signage on the site indicates 206,000 were murdered there.

Maly Trostenets extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rorschach
18-12-2011, 08:49 PM
I have little interest in subtitles. Only the pictures interest me. Ever heard "a picture speaks a thousand words"?



the pictures clearly show only staff

lightgiver
18-12-2011, 09:23 PM
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lightgiver
18-12-2011, 09:28 PM
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lightgiver
19-12-2011, 10:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okRx3FZlQiQ&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/okRx3FZlQiQ

**This film contains extremely graphic scenes of human suffering, please exercise caution when viewing.**

Produced and presented as evidence at the Nuremberg war crimes trial of Hermann Göring and twenty other Nazi leaders.

lightgiver
19-12-2011, 10:47 PM
The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, located in The Hague, has found several individuals guilty of crimes against humanity perpetrated at Omarska. Murder, torture, rape, and abuse of prisoners was common. About 6,000 Bosniaks and Croats were held in appalling conditions at the camp for about five months in the spring and summer of 1992. Hundreds died of starvation, punishment beatings and ill-treatment. UN prosecutors compared the camps to those run by Nazis...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/PIsROFq1ipQ

The camp existed from about May 25 to about August 21, 1992, where the Serb military and police unlawfully segregated, detained and confined some of more than 7,000 Bosniaks and Bosnian Croats captured in the ethnic cleansing of the municipality of Prijedor. Bosnian Serb authorities termed it an investigation centre and the detainees were accused for alleged paramilitary activities.

By the end of 1992, the war would result in the death or forced departure of most of the Bosniak and Croat population of Prijedor municipality; about 7,000 people were missing from a population of 25,000, and there are 145 mass graves and hundreds of individual graves in the extended region. There is, however, conflicting information about how many people were killed at this camp. According to the survivors, usually about 30 and sometimes as many as 150 men were singled-out and killed in the camp every night...

Omarska camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
20-12-2011, 02:57 AM
Amersfoort concentration camp (Dutch: Kamp Amersfoort, German: Durchgangslager Amersfoort) was a Nazi concentration camp in Amersfoort in the Netherlands. The official name was "Polizeiliches Durchgangslager Amersfoort", P.D.A. or Police Transitcamp Amersfoort. During the years of 1941 to 1945, over 35,000 prisoners were kept here. The camp was situated in the southern part of Amersfoort, on the city limit between Amersfoort and Leusden in central Netherlands.

The German camp leaders of Amersfoort are being tried at the Special Criminal Court - YouTube
http://youtu.be/LU_Cjb4pPko

Highest responsible authority went to the Lagerkommandant (camp commander). Below him was the Lagerführer (camp leader), who actually ran the camp. His assistants were the Blockführer (barrack leaders). Virtually all prisoners were divided into workgroups or Kommandos. These kommandos were led by an Arbeitsführer. The lowest leadership level were the Altesten (Elders), also called "prominents" or "foremen". These were prisoners, who in exchange for taking care of minor issues, usually theft among prisoners, received special privileges.

Another camp leader was SS-UnterSchutzhaftlagerführer Josef Johann Kotälla, a notorious sadist who often replaced Stöver during his absence. This former sales representative and repeat psychiatric patient was one of the most infamous SS guards in Amersfoort. B.W. Stomps, a Resistance fighter sent to Amersfoort recalled Kotälla's actions in the Christmas season of 1944:

On 23 December, Kotälla announced a ban on parcels for three weeks, which meant no Red Cross presents for Christmas or New Year. He further cancelled breakfast, lunch and dinner on Christmas Day itself, using the discovery of a smuggled letter as a pretext. And as an extra punishment on Christmas morning he kept the men standing on the parade ground, which was covered with thick snow, from their roll-call at seven till half past midday. A few days before, the geese for the guards' Christmas dinner had been on show, hanging on the barbed wire...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amersfoort

lightgiver
20-12-2011, 04:09 AM
In 1936, a German car engineer by the name of Ferdinand Porsche designed a prototype of a car that would be affordable enough for all Germans to buy. He then showed his idea to the then dictator of Germany, Adolf Hitler. Hitler liked his idea and ordered the manufacture of the car which was known as the KDF-Wagen or later known as the Volkswagen vehicle.

Adolf Hitler laying the foundation stone of the KDF-Wagen (Volkswagen) factory near Fallersleben (Wolfsburg) on 26 May 1938. Ferdinand Porsche at far right...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H06734%2C_Grundsteinlegung_f%C3%BCr_Werk_des_KdF-Wagens.jpg/469px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H06734%2C_Grundsteinlegung_f%C3%BCr_Werk_des_KdF-Wagens.jpg
In 1932 Auto Union Gmbh was formed, comprising struggling auto manufacturers Audi, DKW, Horch and Wanderer. The Chairman of the Board of Directors, Baron Klaus von Oertzen wanted a show piece project, so at fellow director Adolf Rosenberger's insistence, von Oertzen met with Porsche, who had done work for him before. At the 1933 Berlin Motor Show, German Chancellor Adolf Hitler announced two new programs:

The people's car: Hitler made it his political agenda to motorize the nation, and that every German should own either a car or a tractor in the future.

A state-sponsored motor racing programme: to develop a "high speed German automotive industry," the foundation of which would be an annual sum of 500,000 Reichsmarks to Mercedes-Benz...The announcement led to two projects for Porsche, and set a precedent for the rest of the decade with Porsche accepting further projects from Nazi Germany, latterly including military vehicles from the Panzer, Tiger Tank and the Elefant tank destroyer...

Tiger I in Sicily in 1943...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-J14953%2C_Sizilien%2C_Panzer_VI_%28Tiger_I%29.jpg

With Hitler's approval, Porsche and his business partner Albert Speer set up a factory in Fallersleben, a town 30 miles northeast of the city of Braunschweig, and because of the war, all production from this camp was to be used for military purposes only. In 1942, Porsche and Speer started a project to see how they could use concentration camp inmates for cheaper, and large-scale production of their cars, in order to benefit their industry. The prisoners of Arbeitsdorf were skilled workforce used for construction tasks, building a casting plant and other facilities and receiving better captivity conditions in return.

So on April 8, 1942, a new concentration camp, Arbeitsdorf, was opened with 800 inmates from the Neuengamme concentration camp. The camp commands of Neuengamme and Arbeitsdorf were united in the person of Martin Weiss, the camp commander of Neuengamme at this time. On April 26, 1942 inmates from the Sachsenhausen concentration camp and on June 23 inmates from Buchenwald arrived. Mid-July 1942 camp commander became Wilhelm Schitli, former Schutzhaft-camp commander in Neuengamme...The museum Stadtschloss Wolfsburg has a documentation about the Nazi victims with its own exhibition of the slave workers at the Volkswagen factory...

Ferdinand Porsche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

stevebell
20-12-2011, 05:09 AM
WW2 itself was a lie, so why not an alleged event during it.

If man-made global warming scam had succeeded, we would be further in their grip now. That massive lie was broken wide open by hacking Norwich University, though they''ll no doubt try again.

We saw the method in action, using the BBC and most of the media, a massive and concerted worldwide campaign to produce a widely accepted fiction.

The people doing this are clever, wealthy (they print the stuff), and vicious. They're probably insane (inbreeding), and carry on the work from one generation to the next.

lightgiver
20-12-2011, 05:20 AM
WW2 itself was a lie, so why not an alleged event during it.

If man-made global warming scam had succeeded, we would be further in their grip now. That massive lie was broken wide open by hacking Norwich University, though they''ll no doubt try again.

We saw the method in action, using the BBC and most of the media, a massive and concerted worldwide campaign to produce a widely accepted fiction.

The people doing this are clever, wealthy (they print the stuff), and vicious. They're probably insane (inbreeding), and carry on the work from one generation to the next.

A Lie that cost Millions of lives....Don't bring Global warming into it...We already know they modify the weather...amongst many things...

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3+2+2= 7

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Aging Nazi hunter Ezra Lieberman must discover and thwart a plan by surviving Nazi death-camp doctor Josef Mengele to resurrect Adolf Hitler through cloning. Mengele is still in hiding in South America. To make sure a new powerful Fourth Reich is launched, he summons a group of former SS officers in hiding along with several young Neo Nazis. The purpose: to kill 94 men in Europe, Canada and the United States. Mengele's intention is to recreate the conditions that will bring a new Hitler into the world many times over into the future...

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7273/article006e95d84000005d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/article006e95d84000005d.jpg/)

When well-intentioned young Barry Kohler stumbles upon a secret sect of Third Reich war criminals holding clandestine meetings in Paraguay, he alerts Ezra Lieberman by phone. Lieberman dismisses Kohler's claims that Dr. Mengele is alive and present at the meeting as already-known facts, and is highly skeptical otherwise. Kohler attempts to record a meeting with radio equipment but is discovered and killed...

The Boys from Brazil Trailer
The Boys from Brazil Trailer - YouTube
http://youtu.be/RhpqqNZMx50

Aware that something is amiss, Lieberman follows Kohler's leads and begins traveling throughout Europe and North America to investigate the suspicious deaths of a number of middle-aged civil servants. He meets several widows and is amazed to find an uncanny resemblance in their adopted, black-haired, blue-eyed sons. It is also made clear throughout the film that at the time of their deaths all the civil servants were aged around 65 and had a cold, domineering and abusive demeanor towards their adopted children, whereas their wives were aged around 42 and over-spoiled them...

Is it safe? - Marathon Man - YouTube
http://youtu.be/YC6jzQpfflI

Lieberman gains insight from an incarcerated Nazi guard (Uta Hagen) who worked with the adoption agency, and with an expert on cloning (Bruno Ganz) who helps him discover the truth behind the whole plan: Mengele secluded several surrogate mothers in a Brazilian clinic and instilled Hitler's DNA into their ova, thereby giving birth to 94 perfect clones of Hitler himself. Lieberman's investigations unnerve Mengele's superiors, including his principal contact, Seibert (James Mason), who demands that he abort his scheme. But the doctor has spent twenty years pursuing his plans, ever since he first acquired a fragment of rib skin and a half-litre blood sample from Hitler in May 1943 to use as DNA in a plan to recreate Hitler's body and soul and to fulfill the aims of the Third Reich...

Mengele, The Angel of Death ...

Mengele, The Angel of Death - YouTube
http://youtu.be/Hr1RNiuSKFM

More than fifty year ago, Nazi scientists conducted experiments to prolong Hitler´s life. Joseph Mengele, one of the Nazi doctors who was involved in the experiments, was a refugee in Argentina after world war II...

Argentinian writer Carlos de Napoli, who discovered the memorandum were Mengele described the necesary steps to obtain the "eternal youth formula", goes through Argentina and Germany, investigating the sinister experiments of the third reich and its persistent obsession with beauty and youth...

Nazi angel of death Josef Mengele 'created twin town in Brazil'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4307262/Nazi-angel-of-death-Josef-Mengele-created-twin-town-in-Brazil.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_from_Brazil_(film)

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060437329&postcount=534


Humans normally have 46 chromosomes in each cell, divided into 23 pairs. Two copies of chromosome 7, one copy inherited from each parent, form one of the pairs. Chromosome 7 spans about 159 million DNA building blocks (base pairs) and represents more than 5 percent of the total DNA in cells.

Identifying genes on each chromosome is an active area of genetic research. Because researchers use different approaches to predict the number of genes on each chromosome, the estimated number of genes varies. Chromosome 7 likely contains about 1,150 genes. These genes perform a variety of different roles in the body.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSCgVbDMs-E&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/zSCgVbDMs-E

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Many genetic conditions are related to changes in particular genes on chromosome 7.Studies suggest that some genes on chromosome 7 may play critical roles in controlling the growth and division of cells. Without these genes, cells could grow and divide too quickly or in an uncontrolled way, resulting in a cancerous tumor. Researchers are working to identify the genes on chromosome 7 that are involved in the development and progression of cancer...

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/chromosome/7

eternal_spirit
20-12-2011, 05:27 AM
What's with all the anti Germanic propaganda LG? The forums full of it as it is..

lightgiver
20-12-2011, 05:31 AM
What's with all the anti Germanic propaganda LG? The forums full of it as it is..

Don't get clever...Its full of Neo Nazi propaganda...if you wanna post something go ahead but I ain't getting involved in circle debates...I will just post the facts.

Neo-Nazism consists of post-World War II social or political movements seeking to revive Nazism or some variant thereof.The term neo-Nazism can also refer to the ideology of these movements....

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including militant nationalism, fascism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia and anti-Semitism. Holocaust denial is a common feature, as is incorporation of Nazi symbols and admiration of Adolf Hitler. It is related to the white nationalist and white power skinhead movements in many countries.

Choudary is the leader of Islam4UK, a group recently banned in Britain under the country's counter-terrorism laws. He wants Islamic Sharia law to rule the United Kingdom and is working to make that dream a reality...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060346554&postcount=22

lightgiver
20-12-2011, 08:04 PM
Breitenau was a Nazi education and labor camp established in June 1933 in Germany. It was located in Guxhagen, ca. 15 km south of Kassel and was built around the Breitenau monastery.

Breitenau was first established as a correctional facility. This was the original reason why Breitenau was first opened in 1933. It became a "labour house", where prisoners literally learned how to work. But the jobs that they had at Breitenau were often brutal and back-breaking.

From 1932 to 1933 the prisoner population was 24 people. Between 1933 to 1934, the population increased to 125 people. Part of the 125 prisoners had been arrested during a one-week raid on homeless people known as "Beggars Week". By the end of 1933, 11,000 people were arrested and placed in concentration camps. Only a few of them were brought to Breitenau.

After the Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring was made, Breitenau officials began to test prisoners for hereditary diseases. Many of the prisoners who were found to have hereditary diseases were often transported to euthanasia killing centers or kept at Breitenau under penalty of being forcibly sterilized.

Breitenau concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
20-12-2011, 08:05 PM
Falstad concentration camp was a prison camp in the village of Ekne in what was the municipality of Skogn (now in the municipality of Levanger) in Nord-Trøndelag county, Norway. It was used mostly for political prisoners from Nazi-occupied territories...

The camp commanders used the nearby forest (Falstadskogen) as a site for extrajudicial executions of prisoners of war, and executions following show trials of political and Jewish prisoners.

The first executions took place on 7 March 1942, when Olav Sverre Benjaminsen, Abel Lazar Bernstein, David Isaksen, Wulf Isaksen, and David Wolfsohn were shot. All of these, except Benjaminsen, were Jewish. In June 1942, Ljuban Vukovic, a Yugoslavian prisoner of war, was made the first grave digger for the forest. He survived and became an important witness in the post-war trials.

On 6 October 1942, the Nazi authorities imposed martial law on sections of central Norway, and at least 170 non-Norwegian prisoners and 34 Norwegian political prisoners were executed in the forest (Falstadskogen) just south of Falstad.

Falstad concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
22-12-2011, 04:00 AM
Some governments have treated Freemasonry as a potential source of opposition due to its secret nature and international connections. It has been alleged by Masonic scholars that the language used by the totalitarian regimes is similar to that used by some modern critics of Freemasonry.

The Nazis claimed that high degree Masons were willing members of "the Jewish conspiracy" and that Freemasonry was one of the causes of Germany's loss of the First World War. In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote that Freemasonry has "succumbed" to the Jews and has become an "excellent instrument" to fight for their aims and to use their "strings" to pull the upper strata of society into their alleged designs. He continued, "The general pacifistic paralysis of the national instinct of self-preservation begun by Freemasonry" is then transmitted to the masses of society by the press.In 1933 Hermann Göring, the Reichstag President and one of the key figures in the process of Gleichschaltung ("synchronization"), stated "...in National Socialist Germany, there is no place for Freemasonry.

The film was commissioned in 1942 by the Propaganda Abteilung, a delegation of Nazi Germany's propaganda ministry within occupied France by the ex-Mason Mamy.
Forces occultes - Au Coeur De La Franc-Maconnerie 1/5 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/KkPUe0VVnDI

It virulently denounces Freemasonry, parliamentarianism and Jews as part of Vichy's drive against them and seeks to prove a Jewish-Masonic plot.

Loge „Libanon zu den 3 Zedern“ in Erlangen, Germany. First meeting after World War II with guests from USA, France and Czechoslovakia, May 1948.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-W1028-507%2C_Erlangen%2C_Freimaurer_bei_Zeremonie.jpg

On France's liberation its writer Jean Marquès-Rivière, its producer Robert Muzard and its direction Jean Mamy were purged for collaboration with the enemy...

It was the Unlawful Societies Act of 1799 that saw the first statue "for the more effectual suppression of societies established for seditious and treasonable purposes"; once enacted it affected all societies whose members were required to take an oath not authorised by law, shall be deemed "unlawful combinations." It was as a result of the intervention of the Grand Master of the Antients, The 4th Duke of Atholl, and the Acting Grand Master of the Moderns, the earl of Moira that a special exempting clause was inserted into this legislation in favour of societies "held under the Denomination of Lodges of Freemasons" provided that they had been "usually held before the Act" and their names, places and times of meeting and the names of the members were annually registered with the local Clerk to the Justices of the Peace. This continued on until 1967 when this Act was repealed by a section of the Criminal Justice Act which meant that the annual returns of all the Lodges to the authorities ceased.

In March 1935 According to Joseph Goebbels, the Soviet Union's recent inclusion in the League of Nations was engineered by 300 "members of the Jewish race and conspirators of Freemasonry." On August 8, 1935, as Führer and Chancellor, Adolf Hitler announced in the Nazi Party newspaper, Voelkischer Beobachter, the final dissolution of all Masonic Lodges in Germany. The article accused a conspiracy of the Fraternity and “World Jewry” of seeking to create a “World Republic”. In 1937 Joseph Goebbels inaugurated an "Anti-Masonic Exposition" to display objects seized by the state. The Ministry of Defence forbid officers from becoming Freemasons, with officers who remained as Masons being sidelined.

During the war, Freemasonry was banned by edict in all countries that were either allied with the Nazis or under Nazi control, including Norway and France. Anti-Masonic exhibitions were held in many occupied countries. Field-Marshal Friedrich Paulus was denounced as a "High-grade Freemason" when he surrendered to the Soviet Union in 1943.

The preserved records of the RSHA - Reichssicherheitshauptamt Office of the High Command of Security Service pursuing the racial objectives of the SS through Race and Resettlement Office, show the persecution of the Freemasons. The number of Freemasons from Nazi occupied countries who were killed is not accurately known, but it is estimated that between 80,000 and 200,000 Freemasons were murdered under the Nazi regime...

Many Islamic anti-Masonic arguments are closely tied to both Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism, though other criticisms are made such as linking Freemasonry to Dajjal.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forces_occultes

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=168933&page=60

lightgiver
22-12-2011, 07:34 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRyDlVOE86U&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/PRyDlVOE86U

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3987/chaingang.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/chaingang.jpg/)

lightgiver
22-12-2011, 10:34 PM
Homosexuals were also targets of the Holocaust, as homosexuality was incompatible with Nazism because of their failure to reproduce the "master race". This was combined with the belief among the Nazis that homosexuality could be contagious. Initially homosexuality was discreetly tolerated while officially shunned.

By 1936 Heinrich Himmler led an effort to persecute homosexuals under existing and new anti-homosexual laws. More than one million homosexual Germans were targeted, of whom at least 100,000 were arrested and 50,000 were serving prison terms as convicted homosexuals. An additional unknown number were institutionalized in state-run mental hospitals.

Hundreds of European homosexual men living under Nazi occupation were castrated under court order. It is estimated that between 5,000 and 15,000 homosexual men were imprisoned in concentration camps, but it is difficult to put an exact number on how many perished in them. According to Heinz Heger, an Austrian survivor, homosexual men "suffered a higher mortality rate than other relatively small victim groups, such as Jehovah's Witnesses and political prisoners." Male homosexuals in Nazi concentration camps were identified with a pink triangle on their shirts. Lesbians were not normally treated as harshly as homosexual men: they were labeled "anti-social", but were rarely imprisoned for engaging in homosexuality...

lightgiver
23-12-2011, 02:47 AM
The Liepāja massacres were a series of mass executions, many in public or semi-public, in and near the city of Liepāja , on the west coast of Latvia in 1941 after the Nazi occupation of Latvia. The main perpetrators were detachments of the Einsatzgruppen, the Sicherheitsdienst or SD, the Ordnungspolizei, or ORPO, and Latvian auxiliary police and militia forces. Wehrmacht and German naval forces participated in the shootings. In addition to Jews, the Nazis and their Latvian collaborators also killed Gypsies, communists, the mentally ill and so-called "hostages". In contrast to most other Holocaust murders in Latvia, the killings at Liepāja were done in open places. About 5,000 of the 5,700 Jews trapped in Liepāja were shot, most of them in 1941. The killings occurred at a variety of places within and outside of the city, including Rainis Park in the city center, and areas near the harbor, the Olympic Stadium, and the lighthouse. The largest massacre, of 2731 Jews, and 23 communists, happened from December 15 to 17, 1941, in the dunes near Šķēde, on an old Latvian army training ground.More is known about the killing of the Jews of Liepāja than in any other city in Latvia except for Riga...

Members of the 21st Latvian Police Battalion assemble a group of Jewish women for execution on a beach near Liepāja, December 15, 1941.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/LiepajaLatvia1941.jpg

In Latvia the Holocaust started on the night of June 23 to June 24, 1941, when in Grobiņa, a town near Liepāja, Sonderkommando 1a members killed six local Jews, including the town chemist, in the church graveyard. Once Liepāja itself fell on June 29, 1941, "the hunt for the Jews began with the first hours of occupation." Professor Ezergailis estimates that about 5,700 Jews of Liepāja and the surrounding district fell into Nazi hands...

Jewish women about to be shot by Nazis...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/Liepaja_massacre_03.jpg

Immediately following the shooting. The man on the right is the "kicker", responsibly for shoving the bodies into the pit...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Liepaja_massacre_05.jpg

Richard Wiener, who photographed the Einsatzgruppen killings, went to the July or August massacres to take photographs. He found German soldiers standing around the execution site, not as participants, but as spectators. Motion pictures were taken by Richard Wiener, on leave from his position as a German naval sergeant. The December shootings at Šķēde were photographed by SS-Scharführer Karl-Emil Strott. These became the best known images of the murders of Jews in Latvia, and they show only Latvians. The photographs were found by David Zivcon, who worked as an electrician at the SD office in Liepāja. He found four rolls of film when he was repairing wiring in a German's apartment. Zivcon stole the film, had prints made, and returned the originals before they were missed. He then placed the prints in a metal box and buried them...

Latvia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
23-12-2011, 09:09 PM
in the Everyday Life of a Camp...

The violent atmosphere that dominated life in the early concentration camps did not restrict itself to bodily harm alone. It also impacted the spiritual side. From the start, camp commandants and guards made explicit use of music not just to mentally break the prisoners and take away their dignity and cultural identity, but also to follow an ideological line. In many places, new arrivals had to sing hated nationalist, soldier, and Nazi songs. Such forced singing became part of daily ritual: prisoners had to sing German folk songs, in addition to lewd, anti-Semitic, and otherwise discriminatory songs while marching, exercising, appearing at roll-call and on other occasions. By making them sing, the guards not only wanted to discipline their defenceless political opponents, but also to mock and humiliate them. Even well-known and harmless songs became a means of oppression and violence in the extreme conditions of the concentration camp. Because such singing combined physical exertion and psychic humiliation, it affected both body and soul.

In some places, such as Esterwegen, camp bands and choirs were formed by the prisoners themselves, who gave concerts in order to drown out the sounds of torture. In the main, however, such formations were designed by the guards to deceive the public or visitors about the real purpose of the camp. Music as propaganda was not only used to influence and control public opinion. Through the use of the most modern mass media, it was also applied on the inside to manipulate the prisoners. It was therefore common in some early concentration camps to use the camp loudspeaker system for the intimidation and indoctrination of the inmates...

Moorsoldaten Lied - YouTube
http://youtu.be/55IBPlQCLjQ

The ‘Börgermoorlied’ (’Song of Börgermoor’), also known as the ‘Lagerlied von Börgermoor’ (’Camp Song of Börgermoor’) is not just one of the first songs to have been created within a concentration camp, it is the most famous of all of them. Outside of Börgermoor, this concentration camp anthem was known under various names: ‘Moorsoldatenlied’, ‘Lied der Moorsoldaten’, ‘Die Moorsoldaten’, or after the beginning of the refrain ‘Wir sind die Moorsoldaten’ (We are the Moor Soldiers). In its English version it became famous as the ‘Song of the Peat Bog Soldiers’ and in French it is well known as ‘Le Chant des Marais’.

Merry Christmas everybody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-XbxFJpxa0&feature=related

http://holocaustmusic.ort.org/places/camps/music-early-camps/

http://holocaustmusic.ort.org/places/camps/music-early-camps/moorsoldatenlied/

lightgiver
23-12-2011, 11:44 PM
WW2 itself was a lie, so why not an alleged event during it.

If man-made global warming scam had succeeded, we would be further in their grip now. That massive lie was broken wide open by hacking Norwich University, though they''ll no doubt try again.

We saw the method in action, using the BBC and most of the media, a massive and concerted worldwide campaign to produce a widely accepted fiction.

The people doing this are clever, wealthy (they print the stuff), and vicious. They're probably insane (inbreeding), and carry on the work from one generation to the next.

A Minnesota hacker prosecutors described as a “depraved criminal” was handed an 18-YEAR prison term Tuesday for unleashing a vendetta of cyberterror that turned his neighbors’ lives into a living nightmare...A website memorial for the World war II Buchenwald concentration camp was hacked by unknown persons and filled with Nazi slogans and symbols.

Neighbourhood - Space - YouTube
http://youtu.be/9rlfO9bT2iA

18-YEARss


http://digitaljournal.com/article/295287

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060464699&postcount=20

lightgiver
25-12-2011, 09:50 PM
Odilo Lotario Globocnik (21 April 1904 – 31 May 1945) was a prominent Austrian Nazi and later an SS leader. He was an acquaintance of Adolf Eichmann, who played a major role in the extermination of Jews and others during the Holocaust. Globocnik was the lead administrator of Operation Reinhard...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2007-0188%2C_Odilo_Globocnik.jpg/423px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2007-0188%2C_Odilo_Globocnik.jpg

Odilo Globocnik was born on 21 April 1904 into a family of Slovene descent in the Imperial Free City of Trieste, in what was then the capital of the Austrian Littoral administrative region of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (now in Italy). He was the second child of Franz Globocnik from the Upper Carniolan town of Neumarktl (now Tržič in Slovenia) who served as a Habsburg cavalry lieutenant in the Austro-Hungarian army. His father was unable to accumulate the money to apply to resign from the army, so was instead given a job in the reserves as a postman. In 1914, the family left Trieste for Cseklész where Franz Globocnik was recalled to active duty with the outbreak of World War I.

In June 1933, in Vienna, a bomb was thrown at the shop of Jewish jeweler Norbert Futterweit, killing him. This was one of the first murders in Austria attributable to the Nazis, and a number of historians believe that Globocnik was involved in the attack.

Conspiracy - "60,000 Jews" - YouTube
http://youtu.be/ZFYyLUtIVX8

His fanatical devotion to the Nazi cause paid off for Globocnik, as he quickly climbed the ladder of the party apparatus in his native Austria. He became a Deputy Gauleiter for the whole of the country in 1933 at the age of 29, and was a key player in the usurpation of the Austrian government by the National Socialists. Globocnik was rewarded for his diligence, being appointed Gauleiter of Vienna on May 24, 1938 by Adolf Hitler.

A child dying in the streets of the Warsaw Ghetto...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Childwarsawghetto.jpg

Roma arrivals in the Bełżec death camp awaiting instructions...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Porajmos.jpg

While Gauleiter of Vienna, Globocnik spread anti-Semitic propaganda:

In his early tenure as Gauleiter, Globocnik espoused Nazi anti-Jewish philosophy: "I will not recoil from radical interventions for the solution of Jewish questions." Later that same year he opened Vienna's first anti-Semitic political exhibition, which was attended by 10,000 visitors on the first day. Prominent at the exhibition and received enthusiastically by the public was the film, "The Eternal Jew".

As corrupt as he was fanatical, Gauleiter Globocnik was relieved of his post and stripped of his party honours in 1939 when it was discovered he was involved in illegal foreign currency speculations. Himmler transferred Globocnik to the Waffen SS in the rank of corporal as punishment, where he served with SS Standarte Germania during the Polish campaign.

Himmler liked Globocnik and recognized the value of the ruthless Austrian. In late 1939 Globocnik was pardoned, promoted to SS-Brigadeführer, and assigned to Lublin province.

Odilo Globocnik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hadabusa
25-12-2011, 09:59 PM
very good thread lightgiver, loads of info i never heard of

lightgiver
25-12-2011, 10:12 PM
very good thread lightgiver, loads of info i never heard of

It Could Be Worse - YouTube
http://youtu.be/9AFf0ysgNiM

;)

Heinrich Luitpold Himmler 7 October 1900 – 23 May 1945) was Reichsführer of the SS, a military commander, and a leading member of the Nazi Party. As Chief of the German Police and the Minister of the Interior from 1943, Himmler oversaw all internal and external police and security forces, including the Gestapo (Secret State Police). Serving as Reichsführer and later as Commander of the Replacement (Home) Army and General Plenipotentiary for the entire Reich's administration (Generalbevollmächtigter für die Verwaltung), Himmler was one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany and one of the persons most directly responsible for the Holocaust...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Himmler7.jpg

As overseer of the concentration camps, extermination camps, and Einsatzgruppen (literally: task forces, often used as killing squads), Himmler coordinated the killing of some six million Jews, between 200,000 and 500,000 Roma, many prisoners of war, and possibly another three to four million Poles, communists, or other groups whom the Nazis deemed unworthy to live, including homosexuals, people with physical and mental disabilities, Jehovah's Witnesses, and members of the Confessing Church. Shortly before the end of the war, he offered to surrender both Germany and himself to the Western Allies if he were spared prosecution. After being arrested by British forces on 22 May 1945, he committed suicide the following day before he could be questioned...

Heinrich Himmler after his suicide by poison, 1945 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/eceGfhUXskc

Heinrich Himmler was born in Munich to a Roman Catholic Bavarian middle-class family. His father was Joseph Gebhard Himmler, a secondary-school teacher and principal of the prestigious Wittelsbacher Gymnasium; his mother was Anna Maria Himmler (née Heyder), a devout Roman Catholic. He had an older brother, Gebhard Ludwig Himmler, who was born in July 1898, and a younger brother, Ernst Hermann Himmler, born in 1905.

Heinrich was named after his godfather, Prince Heinrich of Bavaria of the royal family of Bavaria, who was tutored by Gebhard Himmler. In 1910, Himmler attended Gymnasium in Landshut, where he studied classic literature. Himmler's father—the principal—sent him to spy on other pupils. His father even called him "a born criminal". It was at Landshut that the young Himmler made friends with Karl Gebhardt, a friendship that would last to the end of World War II. While he struggled in athletics, he did well in his schoolwork. Initially at the behest of his father, Himmler kept a diary from age 10 until age 24. He enjoyed chess, harpsichord, stamp collecting, and gardening...

Hitler's Henchmen - The Executioner - Heinrich Himmler - YouTube
http://youtu.be/l92DPlDbAPY

An excerpt from the Posen speeches where Himmler discusses the on-going extermination of the Jews.

On 4 October 1943, Himmler referred explicitly to the extermination of the Jewish people during a secret SS meeting in the city of Poznań (Posen). The following is a translation of an excerpt from a transcription of an audio recording that exists of the speech:

“ I also want to refer here very frankly to a very difficult matter. We can now very openly talk about this among ourselves, and yet we will never discuss this publicly. Just as we did not hesitate on 30 June 1934, to perform our duty as ordered and put comrades who had failed up against the wall and execute them, we also never spoke about it, nor will we ever speak about it. Let us thank God that we had within us enough self-evident fortitude never to discuss it among us, and we never talked about it. Every one of us was horrified, and yet every one clearly understood that we would do it next time, when the order is given and when it becomes necessary.

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, to the extermination of the Jewish People. This is something that is easily said: 'The Jewish People will be exterminated', says every Party member, 'this is very obvious, it is in our program — elimination of the Jews, extermination, a small matter.' And then they turn up, the upstanding 80 million Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. They say the others are all swine, but this particular one is a splendid Jew. But none has observed it, endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when there are 500 or when there are 1,000. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person — with exceptions due to human weaknesses — has made us tough, and is a glorious chapter that has not and will not be spoken of. Because we know how difficult it would be for us if we still had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators and rabble rousers in every city, what with the bombings, with the burden and with the hardships of the war. If the Jews were still part of the German nation, we would most likely arrive now at the state we were at in 1916 and '17 . . . .

—Heinrich Himmler, 4 October 1943


David Bowie - Quicksand - YouTube
http://youtu.be/oP2SS8ggLtU

Heinrich Himmler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
26-12-2011, 01:04 AM
Violette Reine Elizabeth Bushell Szabo, GC, (26 June 1921 – c. 5 February 1945) was a Second World War French-British secret agent...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6498/violetteszaboiwmphoto.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/violetteszaboiwmphoto.jpg/)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/Z5aH8pLdv5g

She was transferred to the custody of the SD in Limoges, where she was interrogated for four days. From there, she was moved to Fresnes Prison in Paris, and brought to Gestapo headquarters at 84 Avenue Foch for interrogation and torture. In August 1944 she was moved to Ravensbrück concentration camp, where over 92,000 women died. There, she endured hard labour and malnutrition. She managed to help save the life of Belgian resistance courier Hortense Clews...Violette Szabo was executed on or about 5 February 1945 and her body disposed of in the crematorium. She was 23 years old...Of the SOE's 55 female agents, 13 were killed in action or died in Nazi concentration camps.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/mq4pyRciujY

Denise Madeleine Bloch ( Ravensbrück, Germany) was a French secret agent working with the British Special Operations Executive in World War II...Born to a Jewish family (Jacques Henri Bloch and Suzanne Levi-Strauss) in Barrault, Paris, France in 1916; Bloch had three brothers. Before the war, she was a secretary at Citroen. As the family were Jewish, they were rounded up by the Gestapo in 1942 in occupied France.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/IR8NFuDXfnM

Lilian Vera Rolfe (, Ravensbrück, Germany) was an Allied secret agent in World War II...She and her twin sister Helen Fedora Rolfe were the daughters of George Rolfe, a British chartered accountant working in Paris. Although she grew up in Paris, as a young girl, she frequently visited her grandparents, who lived on Paulet Road in London. When she was sixteen, her family moved to Brazil, where she finished her schooling.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/zYYHzV2fGfA

Gabrielle Weidner ( Königsberg, Germany) was an important French resistance member in World War II...The child of Dutch parents, she grew up in Collonges, France in the Ain département, near the Swiss border where her father served as the minister of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. She was sent to secondary school in London and as a result of her background, spoke several languages.

In Paris, she worked for the Seventh-day Adventist Church and secretly with her brother and other volunteers to help people escape from the Nazis. As one of the significant contributors to French Resistance, their efforts would be responsible for the rescue of at least 1,000 persons, including 800 Jews and more than 100 downed Allied airmen. However, on February 26, 1944 the Gestapo arrested her along with 140 other members of the escape network. She was interrogated and tortured in Fresnes prison in Paris, then shipped in a railway cattle car to the Ravensbrück concentration camp in Germany.

At Ravensbrück she was kept in horrific conditions, subjected to beatings, and used as slave labour. On February 17, 1945, Gabrielle Weidner died of malnutrition in a Ravensbrück sub camp a few days after being liberated by Soviet troops.


Denise Bloch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lilian Rolfe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Violette Szabo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gabrielle Weidner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
26-12-2011, 11:52 PM
very good thread lightgiver, loads of info i never heard of

You are welcome...

We appear to have a lot of truth distortion and suppression around...so its a good Idea to show the FACTS...so people can make up their own minds.

Thats if some people can handle the facts.

lightgiver
27-12-2011, 12:09 AM
Kaiserwald was a Nazi German concentration camp near the Riga suburb of Mežaparks in Latvia.Kaiserwald was built in March, 1943, during the period that the German army occupied Latvia. The first inmates of the camp were several hundred convicts from Germany.Following the liquidation of the Riga, Liepāja and Daugavpils (Dvinsk) ghettos in June, 1943, the remainder of the Jews of Latvia, along with most of the survivors of the liquidation of the Vilna Ghetto, were deported to Kaiserwald.

In early 1944, a number of smaller camps around Riga were brought under the jurisdiction of the Kaiserwald camp.Following the occupation of Hungary by the Germans, Hungarian Jews were sent to Kaiserwald, as were a number of Jews from Łódź, in Poland. By March 1944, there were 11,878 inmates in the camp and its subsidiaries, 6,182 males and 5,696 females, of whom only 95 were gentiles.

Concentration camps in Reichskommissariat Ostland. The concentration camps are marked with a black square.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/WW2-Holocaust-ROstland.PNG

On August 6, 1944, as the Red Army advanced westwards and entered Latvia, the Germans began to evacuate the inmates of Kaiserwald to Stutthof, in Poland. Those who were not thought to be able to survive the trip from Latvia to Poland were shot.

Monuments to the Victims of Kaiserwald and those who Sheltered Jews.
Monuments to the Victims of Kaiserwald and those who Sheltered Jews.wmv - YouTube
http://youtu.be/sRvIUNmAIps

All Jews in Kaiserwald who had ever been convicted of any offense, no matter how minor, were executed just prior to the evacuation, as were all Jews under 18 or over 30. By September, 1944, all the inmates of Kaiserwald had been moved to Stutthof.The Red Army liberated the camp on October 13, 1944.

Kaiserwald concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
01-01-2012, 07:45 PM
Mauthausen Concentration Camp (known from the summer of 1940 as Mauthausen-Gusen Concentration Camp) grew to become a small group of Nazi concentration camps that was built around the villages of Mauthausen and Gusen in Upper Austria, roughly 20 kilometres (12 mi) east of the city of Linz.

KZ Mauthausen (Part 1) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/Y48dbeOS9zQ

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On 7 August 1938 prisoners from Dachau concentration camp were sent to the town of Mauthausen near Linz, Austria, to begin the construction of a new camp. The site was chosen as a site for a slave labour camp because of the nearby granite quarry, and due to its proximity to Linz. Although the camp was, from the beginning of its existence, controlled by the German state, it was founded by a private company as an economic enterprise. The owner of the Wiener-Graben quarry (the Marbacher-Bruch and Bettelberg quarries), which was located in and around Mauthausen, was a DEST Company: an acronym for Deutsche Erd- und Steinwerke GmbH. The company, led by Oswald Pohl, who was also a high-ranking official of the SS, rented the quarries from the City of Vienna and started the construction of the Mauthausen camp.

Map showing location of some of the most notable sub-camps of Mauthausen-Gusen...

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As the production in all of the sub-camps of Mauthausen-Gusen complex was constantly rising, so was the number of detainees and the number of the sub-camps themselves. Although initially the camps of Gusen and Mauthausen mostly served the local quarries, from 1942, and onwards, they began to be included in the German war machine. To accommodate the ever-increasing number of slave workers, additional sub-camps (German: Außenlager) of Mauthausen began construction in all parts of Austria. At the end of the war the list included 101 camps (including 49 major sub-camps) which covered most of modern Austria, from Mittersill south of Salzburg to Schwechat east of Vienna and from Passau on the pre-war Austro-German border to the Loibl Pass on the border with Yugoslavia. The sub-camps were divided into several categories, depending on their main function: Produktionslager for factory workers, Baulager for construction, Aufräumlager for cleaning the rubble in Allied-bombed towns, and Kleinlager (small camps) where the inmates were working specifically for the SS.

Mauthausen-Gusen Camp Trial: Dachau Concentration Camp (1946)
Mauthausen-Gusen Camp Trial: Dachau Concentration Camp (1946) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/tcSslLyN_CU

Soviet POWs, Mathausen...

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Until early 1940, the largest group of inmates consisted of German, Austrian and Czechoslovak socialists, communists, anarchists, homosexuals, and people of Roma origin. Other groups of people to be persecuted solely on religious grounds were the Sectarians, as they were dubbed by the Nazi regime, meaning Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses. The reason for their imprisonment was their total rejection of giving the loyalty oath to Hitler and their absolute refusal to participate in any kind of military service...

Although not the only concentration camp where the German authorities implemented their extermination through labour (Vernichtung durch Arbeit), Mauthausen-Gusen was one of the most brutal and severe. The conditions within the camp were considered exceptionally hard to bear, even by concentration camp standards. The inmates suffered not only from malnutrition, overcrowded huts and constant abuse and beatings by the guards and kapos, but also from exceptionally hard labour. As there were too many prisoners in Mauthausen to have all of them work in its quarry at the same time, many were put to work in workshops, or had to do other manual work, whilst the unfortunate ones who were selected to work in the quarry were only there because of their so-called "crimes" in the camp. The reasons for sending them to work in the "Punishment-Detail" were trivial, and included such "crimes" as not saluting a German passing by.

Some of the bodies being removed by German civilians for decent burial at Gusen concentration camp after its liberation...

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During the final months before liberation, the camp's commander Franz Ziereis prepared for its defence against a possible Soviet offensive. Most of the inmates of German and Austrian nationality "volunteered" for the SS-Freiwillige Häftlingsdivision, an SS unit composed mostly of former concentration camp inmates and headed by Oskar Dirlewanger. The remaining prisoners were rushed to build a line of granite anti-tank obstacles to the east of Mauthausen. The inmates unable to cope with the hard labour and malnutrition were exterminated in large numbers to free space for newly-arrived evacuation transports from other camps, including most of the sub-camps of Mauthausen-Gusen located in eastern Austria. In the final months of the war, the main source of calories, that is the parcels of food sent through the International Red Cross, stopped and food rations became catastrophically low. The prisoners transferred to the "Hospital Sub-camp" received one piece of bread per 20 inmates and roughly half a litre of weed soup a day. This made some of the prisoners, previously engaged in various types of resistance activity, begin to prepare plans to defend the camp in case of an SS attempt to exterminate all the remaining inmates. It is not known why the prisoners of Gusen I and II were not exterminated en-masse, despite direct orders from Heinrich Himmler; Ziereis' plan assumed rushing all the prisoners into the tunnels of the underground factories of Kellerbau and blowing up the entrances. The plan was known to one of the Polish resistance organizations which started an ambitious plan of gathering tools necessary to dig air vents in the entrances. On April 28, under cover of a fictional air-raid alarm, some 22,000 prisoners of Gusen were rushed into the tunnels. However, after several hours in the tunnels all of the prisoners were allowed to return to the camp. Stanisław Dobosiewicz, the author of a monumental monograph of the Mauthausen-Gusen complex, explains that one of the possible causes of the failure of the German plan was that the Polish prisoners managed to cut the fuse wires. Ziereis himself stated in his testimony written on May 25 that it was his wife who convinced him not to follow the order from above. Although the plan was abandoned, the prisoners feared that the SS might want to massacre the prisoners by other means. Because of that the Polish, Soviet and French prisoners prepared a plan for an assault on the barracks of the SS guards in order to seize the arms necessary to put up a fight. A similar plan was also devised by the Spanish inmates...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthausen-Gusen_concentration_camp

lightgiver
01-01-2012, 09:49 PM
For your barber...thats if it fits one's head...:rolleyes:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8238/g277d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/g277d.jpg/)

It may also prevent one's brain from falling out...

Master race was a phrase and concept originating in the slave-holding Southern US. The later phrase Herrenvolk , interpreted as 'master race', was a concept in Nazi ideology in which the Nordic peoples, one of the branches of what in the late-19th and early-20th century was called the Aryan race, represent an ideal and "pure race" that was the purest representation of the original racial stock of those who were then called the Proto-Aryans, themselves believed by the Nazis to have prehistorically dwelt on the North German Plain and ultimately to have originated from ATLANTIS...

The term Aryan derives from the Sanskrit word (ā́rya), which derived from arya, the original Indo-Iranian autonym.

Also, the word Iran is the Persian word for land/place of the Aryan.

In Nazi Germany, a so-called mixed marriage of an "Aryan" with an "Untermensch" was forbidden in order to maintain the purity of the Germanic master race, eugenics was practiced. In order to eliminate "defective" citizens, the T-4 Euthanasia Program was administered by Karl Brandt to rid the country of the mentally retarded or those born with genetic deficiencies, as well as those deemed to be racially inferior. Additionally, a programme of compulsory sterilisation was undertaken which resulted in the forced operations of hundreds of thousands of individuals...

lightgiver
02-01-2012, 02:33 AM
Helmut Dantine (7 October 1917 – 2 May 1982) was a film actor remembered for playing many Nazis in thriller films of the 1940s. The Vienna-born actor appeared uncredited in Casablanca early in his career (he played the desperate newlywed gambling to obtain visa money).

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/oQVuGbcl13g

Dantine's father was the head of the Austrian railway system. As a young man, Dantine became involved in an anti-Nazi movement in Vienna. In 1938, when he was 21 years old, the Nazis took over Austria during the Anschluss. Dantine was rounded up, with hundreds of other enemies of the Third Reich, and imprisoned in a Nazi concentration camp outside Vienna. Three months later, using their influence, his parents got his release and immediately sent him to California to live with a friend. Both his parents would later die in a Nazi concentration camp...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/vy31TGR659c

From 1947 to 1950, he was married to Charlene Stafford Wrightsman (1927–1963), the younger daughter of Charles B. Wrightsman, an oil millionaire whose collection of French furniture and decorative arts fills several galleries at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. They had one son, Dana Wrightsman Dantine. In 1952, Charlene Dantine married the American society columnist Igor Cassini. His second marriage was to Nicola Schenck, daughter of Nicholas Schenck, one of the founders of Loews. Nicola subsequently acted as Niki Dantine, and had two children with Dantine. Helmut Dantine died from a heart attack at the age of 64...

Helmut Dantine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060484285&postcount=136

hadaka_jimmy
03-01-2012, 08:16 PM
Plenty people still follow hitlers ideologies like yourself...so you are saying you are not intelligent...because to do a thread based on historical fact is unintelligent...goodness grief where do you people come from.

aryanism.net ...yeah very Intelligent...Unity through Nobility...something you lack.

You may grow up one day.


Or I could just do what you tend to, mass swathes of wikipedia plagiarism. That's not research, it's just brainwashed regurgitation.

lightgiver
03-01-2012, 08:26 PM
Or I could just do what you tend to, mass swathes of wikipedia plagiarism. That's not research, it's just brainwashed regurgitation.

Sorry to burst your nazi bubble ..all information cross referenced people can check the facts themselves...wiki is a good source as any to start with.

you appear to be living in some deluded nazi fantasy land...

hadaka_jimmy
04-01-2012, 10:31 AM
Sorry to burst your nazi bubble ..all information cross referenced people can check the facts themselves...wiki is a good source as any to start with.

you appear to be living in some deluded nazi fantasy land...

Looks good to me. :cool:

http://madamepickwickartblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bataille5.jpg

lightgiver
04-01-2012, 06:54 PM
Why do you feel the need for a woman to dress up like a nazi ...maybe this shows the level of your fantasy delusions.


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German concentration camp brothels were re-enacted in fictional Nazi exploitation films made in the 1970s such as Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS, Last Orgy of the Third Reich, Love Camp 7, SS Experiment Camp and Nazi Love Camp 27... Examples of Israeli fictional literature on the subject include writer's Yehiel De-Nur alias K. Tzetnik's book The House of Dolls and Stalag fiction genre.

This interest in Nazism and eroticism features in some of the best-known novels and films of the past thirty years. What is most disturbing is that they are not simply drawn to sex and Nazism but to the SS and the camps, to the sadistic and the perverse. Think of European art films like The Night Porter, Seven Beauties or The Damned, best-selling novels like Sophie’s Choice, The White Hotel and Bernhard Schlink’s The Reader. This fixation is not going away

http://www.forensicpsychiatry.ca/paraphilia/sadism.htm

Nazi exploitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
04-01-2012, 07:13 PM
Looks good to me. :cool:

http://madamepickwickartblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bataille5.jpg

The eroticization of the Holocaust has a complicated history. It took off in the early 1970s, part of a larger wave of interest in Fascism and Nazism, especially in Europe. This took several forms. There were major film and television documentaries: Marcel Ophuls’s The Sorrow and the Pity (1970), the ‘Genocide’ episode of The World at War (ITV, 1973-74) and Syberberg’s Hitler: A Film From Germany (1978). There was also a new wave of European films about preoccupied with questions of occupation, collaboration and guilt on the one hand and the nature of Fascism on the other: Bertolucci’s The Conformist (1970), Malle’s Lacombe Lucien (1974), Bergman’s The Serpent’s Egg (1977), Volker Schloendorff’s adaptation of Gunter Grass’s novel, The Tin Drum (1979), Fassbinder’s The Marriage of Maria Braun (1979), Truffaut’s The Last Metro (1980) and Szabo’s Mephisto (1981). Thirdly, there were American TV dramas, including Holocaust (1978) and Arthur Miller’s Playing for Time (1980). Finally, there was a group of European art-house films about Fascism and Nazism, full of sexual perversion. It was this last group which included films like Visconti’s The Damned (1969), Liliana Cavani’s The Night Porter (1973) and Lina Wertmuller’s Seven Beauties (1975).

Several things are striking about these 1970s films. First, how European cinema dominated this period. The Americanization of the Holocaust came later. Second, that these films were made by major directors, some of the biggest names in post-war European cinema: Bertolucci and Visconti from Italy; Malle and Truffaut from France; Bergman, Fassbinder and Schlondorff working in Germany. Third, the nature of the films. This was avant-garde cinema: complex films by serious directors about big issues. Finally, it is striking how marginal the Holocaust was to most of these films. The camps barely feature. They were more about coming to terms with the experience of Fascism and collaboration. A new set of young directors, who had largely emerged in the 1960s and early 1970s, wanted to expose the guilt of their parents’ generation. Except for Bergman and Visconti, they were mostly in their twenties and twenties. Two were in their early forties. They had nearly all been children or teenagers during the war.

Films like The Damned, The Night Porter and Seven Beauties. The Damned tells the story of a wealthy German industrialist’s family, who own the great Essenbach steelworks, and how their individual pathologies connected to the rise of Nazism. It is the most pathological of all, Martin, who rises to the top of the family business, helped by the SS. His first appearance in the film is striking: in drag, dressed up as Marlene Dietrich from The Blue Angel. Later, we see him as a paedophile, pursuing young girls, and at the film’s climax he has sexual intercourse with his mother, a sort of German Clytemnestra. The Damned is the story of a double pathology: the perverse sexuality of Martin and the state of post-1933 Germany.

eternal_spirit
04-01-2012, 09:12 PM
People sent to the Jewish created Gulags included peasants who were accused of "individualistic tendencies" and opposed the establishment of collective farms. Large numbers of Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kirghiz, Mordovians and Caucasians fell into this category.
Large numbers of people living along the western frontier of the Soviet Union and Chinese and Koreans who lived along the eastern border were deported to Gulags in the interior just before the outbreak of the Second World War.





Others were sent to labour camps because of their religious beliefs. This included Catholics, Baptists and members of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
During the Second World War people sent to Soviet labour camps included collaboration with the enemy under the occupation, prisoners of war, and men and women taken from Nazi Germany.

It is estimated that around 50 million perished in Soviet gulags between 1930 and 1950!



http://www.saveyourheritage.com/soviet_crimes.htm

more pics and info at link

lightgiver
04-01-2012, 09:20 PM
During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, Catholic priests and Muslim clerics were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nations Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust (known as the Porajmos by the Roma), killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. In these crimes, the Croatian Ustasha and Muslim fundamentalists were openly supported by the Vatican, the Archbishop of Zagreb Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac (1898-1960), and the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini. Many of the victims of the Pavelic regime in Croatia were killed in the war's third largest death camp - Jasenovac, where over 200,000 people - mainly Orthodox Serbs met their deaths. Some 240,000 were "rebaptized" into the Catholic faith by fundamentalist Clerics in "the Catholic Kingdom of Croatia" as part of the policy to "kill a third, deport a third, convert a third" of Yugoslavia's Serbs, Jews and Roma in wartime Bosnia and Croatia (The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Vladimar Dedijer, Anriman-Verlag, Freiburg, Germany, 1988).

God Of Croats (Bog I Hrvati), documentary, English subtitles - Vatican's role in Holocaust - YouTube
http://youtu.be/it8DubZSJS8

"(It was) an act of 'ethnic cleansing' before that hideous term came into vogue, it was an attempt to create a 'pure' Catholic Croatia by enforced conversions, deportations, and mass exterminations. So dreadful were the acts of torture and murder that even hardened German troops registered their horror. Even by comparison with the recent bloodshed in Yugoslavia at the time of writing, Pavelic's onslaught against the Orthodox Serbs remains one of the most appalling civilian massacres known to history" (p 249)


http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_catholic_church.htm

eternal_spirit
04-01-2012, 09:40 PM
Mass genocides committed by Jewish Communists before the war.

Catholics, Muslims were murdered and also sent to the Jewish created Gulags along with Orthodox Christians.
There were more Protestants in Germany at the time of the Nazis than Catholics.

Some Catholics opposed the Nazis, Germany wasn't one homogenous like minded group, there was plots to kill Hitler, same as Communists had their disputes amongst themselves.


The chapter on the Ukrainian liquidation of believers makes for very difficult reading. Imagine this: the Ukrainian Catholic Church had 2,772 parishes, 8 bishops, 4,119 churches and chapels, 142 monasteries and convents, 2,628 priests, 164 monks, 773 nuns, and 4 million laypeople. By the end of the largest suppression of believers in world history, the entire apparatus was reduced to: zero.






Look at the sweep of the century and you see that Christians, particularly Catholics, have in fact been the main victims of state violence in our century. For full documentation of these claims, I commend to you Robert Royal's remarkable new book, The Catholic Martyrs of the Twentieth Century: A Comprehensive World History (New York: Crossroad Publishing, 2000).

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/martyrs.html


See Communism was the REAL enemy of most Europeans not the Nazis. Because of communist atrocities committed well before the war and during many Europeans seen Hitler as the answer to defeating Communism (Jew created and led)

Some Christians and Nazis knew about the Talmud and supremacist Jews and the Gulag death camps knowing they would be next if they didn't put up a fight)

So anyone taking sides with the Nazis had good reason too (Christians of various sects and all manner of races colours and creeds fought with the Nazis, including some Muslims)




The myth pushed is Nazis were a devout Catholic ideology - they were nothing of the sort.
Many majority Catholic countries fought against Nazis (Poland possibly the most Catholic country at the time) they had already fought off Communists prior to the war - so if it was a Catholic Nazi conspiracy then all Catholics would have sided with Nazis. The majority of Catholics did not.

The Hitler youth movement would meet on Sundays at the same time as mass was being said in Church, this was obviously Hitler's ploy to stop the youth from attending Sunday mass. And turn them onto his own ideologies.


If Hitler was a devout Catholic he would've been in church and preaching alongside priests and may have worn robes, had Jesus saves T shirts etc instead of Swastikas.. A big Jesus statue at his speeches etc.

The Communists had been and were killing Millions of Catholics and clergy, and destroying Churches all over the place before and during the war -
The Vatican shared the view that Hitler and other Europeans did (Communism was the biggest problem they faced) Even Churchill shared this view prior to the war. And it was known and spoken by all 3 - the large roll Jews played in Communism.

Some Jews were victims of Communists - 150,000 Jewish Waffen SS fought for Germany. Nazi Germany was majority PROTESTANT
population. So it wasn't as black and white as some think. Let's face it Europe was divided many took sides with Nazis to fight Communists. Japan and other countries had old and new scores to settle with the British.



Italy was technically a Central Power in 1914 because it belonged to the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy. However, Italy refused to go to war because Austria was the aggressing country. Therefore Italy never actually fought on the Side of the Central Powers and in 1915 they changed to the Allied side and fought against Germany and Austria.

A century earlier
Britain/Germany/Islamic Turkish Ottoman empire allied against France (Napoleon the Sicilian/Italian?)

We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
Adolph Hitler

lightgiver
04-01-2012, 09:46 PM
Mass genocides committed by Jewish Communists before the war.



Keep on topic this is about Nazi concentration camps not your massive copy and paste warped agenda...you already have countless threads about this...all people have to do is read through your posts....nearly 30,000 of them.

http://forum.davidicke.com/search.php?searchid=4996080

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=172323&page=3

eternal_spirit
04-01-2012, 09:50 PM
Keep on topic this is about Nazi concentration camps not your massive copy and paste warped agenda.
Warped agenda? Try looking in the mirror pal. You got about 4 kosher anti Germanic propaganda threads (posting the same debunked nonsense) on the go for weeks now, and you're trying to turn my other thread into another one! You started it! So I got some catching up to do to balance it out.

Mr copy and paste that's you man. Wikipedia (aka Judeapedia)
And whats with the big fuck off text it's lame.

lightgiver
04-01-2012, 09:52 PM
Warped agenda? Try looking in the mirror pal. You got about 4 kosher anti Germanic propaganda threads .


4 ...wow such a lot..YOU HAVE NEARLY 30,000..MY POSTS ARE NOT ANTI GERMAN AT ALL, STOP TRYING TO TWIST IT AS USUAL...THIS IS ABOUT A WARPED IDEOLOGY CALLED NAZISM

geewhizz
04-01-2012, 09:58 PM
Dachau concentration camp (German: Konzentrationslager (KZ) Dachau, IPA: [ˈdaxaʊ]) was the first Nazi concentration camp opened in Germany, located on the grounds of an abandoned munitions factory near the medieval town of Dachau, about 16 km (9.9 mi) northwest of Munich in the state of Bavaria, which is located in southern Germany. Opened 22 March 1933 (51 days after Hitler took power), it was the first regular concentration camp established by the coalition government of the National Socialist Party (Nazi Party) and the German Nationalist People's Party (dissolved on 6 July 1933). Heinrich Himmler, then Chief of Police of Munich, officially described the camp as "the first concentration camp for political prisoners."

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5188/756pxconcentrationcampd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/192/756pxconcentrationcampd.jpg/)

Dachau served as a prototype and model for the other Nazi concentration camps that followed. Almost every community in Germany had members taken away to these camps. Newspapers continually reported of "the removal of the enemies of the Reich to concentration camps", and as early as 1935 there were jingles warning: "Dear God, make me dumb, that I may not to Dachau come" ("Lieber Gott, mach mich dumm, damit ich nicht nach Dachau kumm").

Crematorium in operation...
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4048/bundesarchivbild183h269.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/213/bundesarchivbild183h269.jpg/)

"Propaganda tries to force a doctrine on the whole people... Propaganda works on the general public from the standpoint of an idea and makes them ripe for the victory of this idea." Adolf Hitler wrote these words in his book Mein Kampf (1926)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005202

'As the German Army collapsed on both war fronts, many prisoners were sent to Bergen-Belsen. By 1945, thousands of prisoners were too ill to work and weakened by starvation, they easily succumbed to typhoid and typhus. In March 1945 alone, more than 18,000 prisoners died in Bergen-Belsen. The chronic overcrowding ensured that epidemics spread at a fearsome speed.

The first to the camp were men from the British Army. The camp was officially handed over to the British on April 13th but a group of 120 soldiers went in on April 15th 1945. What they found shocked many. Knowing that few would believe any verbal description, the British filmed what they found. The black and white film could not depict the stench from dead bodies that surrounded the camp.

As the men toured the camp, they found an estimated 10,000 unburied bodies (the crematorium had broken down) together with about 40,000 barely living prisoners. Of these 40,000, 28,000 died after liberation - there was little that could be done to help those who were severely ill. Between 400 to 500 died each day after liberation – the task faced by the British simply overwhelmed them. Legend has it that some were killed by kindness – that British soldiers gave their chocolate ration to the prisoners and this accounted for about 1000 deaths. However, very many of those who received their gift were seriously ill. RAMC officers at the camp believed that most died of their condition prior to liberation not from chocolate'.

I suppose the films of all of the thousands of corpses in Auschwitz would have resulted from diseases like typhoid and typhus and also dysentery.

The Gas chambers were not needed anyway but were obviously used at the beginning.

eternal_spirit
04-01-2012, 10:00 PM
4 ...wow such a lot..YOU HAVE NEARLY 30,000..NOT ANTI GERMAN STOP TRYING TO TWIST IT..THIS IS ABOUT A WARPED IDEOLOGY CALLED NAZISM


MOST OF YOUR POSTS ARE COPY AND PASTE CAN YOU MANAGE TO TYPE OUT MORE THAN A FEW LINES YOURSELF? i TYPE LOADS.

Double standards - people post about Jews/Zionists/Talmud and any other related topic (it's called anti Jewish)

Shall we leave it there? Cos I'm sure you and I have other topics to post than go round in circles again.

Happy new year..

lightgiver
05-01-2012, 03:59 AM
Of the 55,000 guards who served in Nazi concentration camps, about 3,700 were women. In 1942, the first female guards arrived at Auschwitz and Majdanek from Ravensbrück. The year after, the Nazis began conscripting women because of a guard shortage.

SS-Aufseherin: Female Camp Guards 1938-1945 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/W6HiydokKdE

Female guards were collectively known by the rank of SS-Helferin (German: "Female SS Helper") and could hold positional titles equivalent to regular Ranks and insignia of the Schutzstaffel / SS ranks. Such positions were known as Rapportführerin "Report Leader", Erstaufseherin, "First Guard", Lagerführerin, "Camp Leader" and Oberaufseherin the "Senior Overseer". The highest position ever attained by a woman was Chef Oberaufseherin, "Chief Senior Overseer" such as Luise Brunner and Anna Klein. In the Nazi command structure, no female guard could ever give orders to a male one since, by design, the rank of SS-Helferin was below all male SS ranks and women were not recognized as regular SS members but only auxiliaries.

No German Concentration Camp ever was run by a female commandant. Ravensbrück, the only camp reserved for female inmates, was run mainly by male SS troopers, aided by a minority of female assistants.

As the Allies liberated the camps, SS women were generally still in active service. Many were captured in or near the camps of Ravensbrück, Bergen Belsen, Gross Rosen, Flossenbürg, Salzwedel, Neustadt-Glewe, Neuengamme, and Stutthof. After the war many SS women were held at the internment camp at Recklinghausen, Germany or in the former concentration camp at Dachau. There between 500 and 1,000 women were held while the US Army investigated their crimes and camp service. The majority of them were released because male SS were the top priority. Many of the women held there were high ranking leaders of the League of German Girls, while other women had served in concentration camps.

Frauen in der SS 1/3 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/m0wQrEY69Ig

Many SS men and SS women were executed by the Soviets when they liberated the camps, while others were sent to the gulags. Only a few SS women were tried for their crimes compared to male SS. Most female wardresses were tried at the Auschwitz Trial, in four of the seven Ravensbrück Trials, at the first Stutthof Trial, and in the second and Third Majdanek Trials and from the small Hamburg-Sasel camp. At that trial all forty-eight SS men and women involved were tried.

Female guards in Nazi concentration camps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
05-01-2012, 04:23 AM
Auschwitz concentration camp (German: Konzentrationslager Auschwitz was a network of Nazi concentration and extermination camps built and operated by the Third Reich in Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany during World War II.

Auschwitz: Frenzied Killing 1 of 5 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/dg1W6iPxOLg

Auschwitz II–Birkenau was designated by the Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, Germany's Minister of the Interior, as the place of the "final solution of the Jewish question in Europe". From early 1942 until late 1944, transport trains delivered Jews to the camp's gas chambers from all over Nazi-occupied Europe.The camp's first commandant, Rudolf Höss, testified after the war at the Nuremberg Trials that up to three million people had died there (2.5 million gassed, and 500,000 from disease and starvation), a figure since revised to 1.3 million, around 90 percent of them Jews. Others deported to Auschwitz included 150,000 Poles, 23,000 Roma and Sinti, 15,000 Soviet prisoners of war, some 400 Jehovah's Witnesses and tens of thousands of people of diverse nationalities. Those not killed in the gas chambers died of starvation, forced labour, infectious disease, individual executions, and medical experiments

Auschwitz: Frenzied Killing 2 of 5 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/wbxUPglWGS0

Located in Germany, Provinz Oberschlesien, Regierungsbezirk Kattowitz, Landkreis Bielitz, approximately 30 km south of Katowice and 50 km west of Kraków, the Auschwitz complex of camps encompassed a large industrial area rich in natural resources. There were 48 camps in all. The three main camps were Auschwitz I, Auschwitz II-Birkenau, and a work camp called Auschwitz III-Monowitz, or the Buna. Auschwitz I served as the administrative center, and was the site of the deaths of roughly 70,000 people, mostly ethnic Poles and Soviet prisoners of war. Auschwitz II was an extermination camp or Vernichtungslager, the site of the deaths of at least 960,000 Jews, 75,000 Poles, and some 19,000 Roma. Auschwitz III-Monowitz served as a labor camp for the Buna-Werke factory of the IG Farben concern. The SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV) was the SS organization responsible for administering the Nazi concentration camps for the Third Reich. The SS-TV was an independent unit within the SS with its own ranks and command structure. Obersturmbannführer Rudolf Höss was overall commandant of the Auschwitz complex from May 1940 – November 1943; Obersturmbannführer Arthur Liebehenschel from November 1943 – May 1944; and Sturmbannführer Richard Baer from May 1944 – January 1945.

Auschwitz: Frenzied Killing 3 of 5 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/lsEKYaKHLQk

Construction on Auschwitz II-Birkenau, the extermination camp, began in October 1941 to ease congestion at the main camp. It was larger than Auschwitz I, and more people passed through its gates than through Auschwitz I. It was designed to hold several categories of prisoners, and to function as an extermination camp in the context of Heinrich Himmler's preparations for the Final Solution of the Jewish Question, the extermination of the Jews. The first gas chamber at Birkenau was "The Little Red House," a brick cottage converted into a gassing facility by tearing out the inside and bricking up the walls. It was operational by March 1942. A second brick cottage, "The Little White House," was similarly converted some weeks later

Shocking Footage from Auschwitz Concentration Camp.
Shocking Footage from Auschwitz Concentration Camp - YouTube
http://youtu.be/w5WXIF67J2w

The Nazis had committed themselves to the final solution no later than January 1942, the date of the Wannsee Conference. In his Nuremberg testimony on April 15, 1946, Rudolf Höss, the commandant of Auschwitz, testified that Heinrich Himmler personally ordered him to prepare Auschwitz for that purpose...

In the summer of 1941 I was summoned to Berlin to Reichsführer-SS Himmler to receive personal orders. He told me something to the effect—I do not remember the exact words—that the Fuehrer had given the order for a final solution of the Jewish question. We, the SS, must carry out that order. If it is not carried out now then the Jews will later on destroy the German people. He had chosen Auschwitz on account of its easy access by rail and also because the extensive site offered space for measures ensuring isolation.

The most infamous doctor at Auschwitz was Josef Mengele, known as the "Angel of Death". Particularly interested in research on identical twins, Mengele performed cruel experiments on them, such as inducing diseases in one twin and killing the other when the first died to perform comparative autopsies. He also took a special interest in dwarfs, and he deliberately induced gangrene in twins, dwarfs and other prisoners to study the effects.

Mengele, at the behest of fellow Nazi physician Kurt Heissmeyer, was responsible for picking the twenty Jewish children to be used in Heissmeyers' pseudoscientific medical experiments at the Neuengamme concentration camp. These children, at the conclusion of the experiments, were infamously hanged from wall hooks in the basement of the Bullenhuser Damm school in Hamburg.

The timeline of events at the Auschwitz concentration camp began in January 1940 when the location was first visited by Arpad Wigand an aid to the Higher SS and Police Leader for Silesia Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski. The original intent of the camp was to intern Polish political prisoners. The original uses of the camp were added to and the capacity expanded over the course of the next four years, which reflected the political and economic decisions of the Third Reich, including the implementation of the Final Solution.

Auschwitz concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

eternal_spirit
05-01-2012, 04:37 AM
MASS EXTERMINATION BY GAS CHAMBERS—HOW THE JEWS SAY IT WAS DONE
At this point it might be well to refresh our memories of what the promoters of the ‘Holocaust’ legend claim, for it is only when we bear in mind the essential details of their account that we can appreciate the enormous importance of Leuchter’s evidence:

They claim that many hundreds of Jews [and others—but mostly Jews] were crammed naked into gas chambers. Once inside and the door shut, a quantity of Zyklon B [chalk pellets containing hydrocyanic acid which give off lethal cyanide gas when exposed to the air] was tipped inside through a roof hatch. After an hour or so the door of the gas chamber would be opened and the bodies dragged out. The mouths of the corpses were immediately searched for gold fillings and extractions performed. Other orifices were also searched for hidden valuables. This work was carried out by camp inmates under the immediate supervision of their SS guards. Neither the inmates nor the SS men wore any breathing apparatus or any other kind of protective clothing; indeed, the guards often callously smoked and ate during the gruesome process. Thereafter, the corpses would be sent to the crematoria where they would be reduced to ashes in conventional coke-fired cremation ovens. On days that the ovens were too busy to cope with the workload, pits would be dug, corpses thrown in and incinerated. This process continued 24-hours a day for a period of years. In the case of Birkenau, in the Auschwitz complex of camps, this ‘mass production’ method was supposed to have sustained an extermination/incineration rate of 1,000 an hour—24,000 a day.

Even before we turn to the detail of Leuchter’s evidence to the Canadian Court, the preposterous impudence of the Jewish ‘Holocaust’ story must be self-evident to those who can perform a little simple arithmetic: If Birkenau-Auschwitz exterminated 1,000 Jews an hour for a year that would result in 8,760,000 Jewish dead. [1,000 x 24 x 365]. As that “death factory” was supposed to be functional for about four years, we arrive at a figure of 35,040,000!

Suppose we allow for just a little Levantine exaggeration, and cut the projected Birkenau-Auschwitz figure by 75%, that still leaves a total of 8,760,000. That number is nearly half the claimed Jewish population of the entire world in 1938! And let us not forget that gas chambers at other “Death Camps”—Treblinka, Chelmno, Sobibor, etc., were also supposed to have accounted for “millions” of Jews.

WHAT FRED LEUCHTER’S EVIDENCE REVEALED
Fred Leuchter explained to the Court that the technology of execution gas chambers employing cyanide gas had been fully developed in the United States by the early 1920s. Literature concerning this technology circulated the globe thereafter and all of the relevant technical information would have been available to the Germans. In particular, they would have been aware:
A. That cyanide gas is so dangerous that if it is not to injure or kill those operating the gas chamber as well as the condemned person, the chamber must be specially constructed to be airtight and, specifically, the entry door must be gasketted.
B. Cyanide gas is persistent, that is, it clings in corners and holes—and in hair, in body folds and orifices for many hours after it has been released. Hence, after the condemned person has died it is necessary to have a ventilation system which can expel as much of the gas as possible from the chamber to a height where the gas can diffuse in the air without posing any danger to persons in the vicinity.

In the interests of safety, the body should be left in the ventilated chamber for 24 hours before the gasketted door is opened. Only staff wearing breathing apparatus and protective clothing should be in the room in which the gas chamber is situated when the door is opened. Thereafter, staff should hose down the body and the entire chamber to disperse the final, potentially fatal, traces of the gas.

C. Cyanide gas had been used by the German and French armies in WW1 to delouse buildings and clothing. Both armies would post armed guards around—but a good distance away from—the building being used for this purpose. After 24 hours troops wearing breathing apparatus would open the doors and windows of the building, but retreat to a safe distance for a ventilation period of not less than 24 hours.

Thereafter clothing, blankets, carpets, etc., from the building would be put on lines and beaten by personnel wearing breathing apparatus to dispel the final traces of the gas. Cyanide gas is potentially explosive and personnel connected with operations involving it were routinely searched for matches and lighters before commencing any delousing operation.


Leuchter told the Court that he and his team of experts had visited Birkenau-Auschwitz and other alleged “Death Camps” in Poland and had seen the buildings which are described as having been “gas chambers”; had taken samples from the walls of rooms said to have been “gas chambers” for later forensic analysis in the United States; had inspected the crematoria facilities and had inspected other buildings in—and the land surrounding—the camps. He reported as follows:
1. None of the rooms said to have been “gas chambers” had gasketted doors or were in any other aspect of airtight construction. Had cyanide gas been released in any of the alleged “gas chambers” the camp staff would themselves quickly have fallen victim to it. Indeed, at Auschwitz the “gas chamber” was directly adjacent to the SS hospital. A channel ran between the two buildings along which the gas would have accumulated, causing fatalities among the hospital patients, either by gassing or an explosion.


2. The rooms described as “gas chambers” were far too small to accommodate the hundreds of persons who were supposed to have been packed into them. Had it been possible to cram the rooms as claimed, the occupants would have died of asphyxiation, even though the doors were not gasketted, long before cyanide gas could have permeated the remaining space in the room not taken up by people. Had people been crammed in the rooms in the numbers claimed, and had the rooms been filled with cyanide gas, then the job of extracting the corpses without preliminary intensive ventilation would have led to the deaths of those performing the work—and those supervising it—if they wore no breathing apparatus, especially if searches of the corpses’ orifices were conducted immediately on removal.


4. The crematoria at all camp sites were of the conventional type, fired by coke. Some cremation chambers (retorts) could accommodate two corpses, most only one. Such retorts could only reduce cadavers to a few bones (which thereafter would have to be pulverised) after a period of hours. None of the “extermination” sites had anything like the number of crematoria retorts capable of reducing to ashes the huge number of corpses which were allegedly being produced by the “gas chambers”. Each of the camps examined had a necessary number of crematoria retorts in relationship to the camps’ populations and the likely death rate from all of the usual natural causes (not including severe epidemics like typhus).


5. Any attempt to burn corpses in deep pits would be quite futile as all of the camps examined were built on marshland with a water table about 18 inches below the surface. Any hole deeper than that would quickly become a pond. Corpses cannot be burned under water, even with the assistance of petrol.
6. Leuchter’s team had not only taken samples from the walls of alleged “gas chambers” at the camps visited, but also samples from rooms where all agree that clothes had been subjected to cyanide gas for delousing purposes. These samples bad been given to a reputable firm of forensic scientists who regularly undertake work for American Courts.


They were not told where the samples had come from nor the reason for the examination. They were merely asked to report on the content of cyanide in the various samples. The forensic scientists’ report, in the form of a sworn affidavit, indicated that the content of cyanide in the samples which came from the walls of rooms used to delouse clothes was extremely high, but the samples taken from rooms where supposedly millions of people over a period of years had been gassed to death, showed almost no cyanide content whatsoever.

The very small amount of cyanide to register from the samples taken from the walls of the alleged “gas chambers” was due to the universally acknowledged fact that those rooms, along with all other rooms in these camps, were periodically deloused by means of cyanide gas in an attempt (eventually in vain, as we have discussed earlier) to protect the inmates from outbreaks of typhus.

ANNE FRANK’S STORY
As a footnote to the twin subjects of the reputation of Auschwitz as an “Extermination Camp” and the fatalities caused by typhus, we might observe that the tragic Anne Frank of Anne Frank’s Diary fame was sent to Auschwitz after she and her family were captured by the Germans in Holland. If the ‘Holocaust’ horror story accounts of Auschwitz are to be believed, Anne would have been an early candidate for the “gas chamber” as she was too young and not strong enough to perform hard physical work.

Yet even as publisher’s postscripts to ‘her’ book, statements made by her by her father after the war (another member of the legion of ‘Survivors’), and statements made by the ‘Anne Frank Foundation’ readily concede, Anne did not get gassed at Auschwitz. She did not even die at Auschwitz.

For some reason, the cruel Third Reich, having built an “Extermination Camp” for just such hapless victims as she, and having sent her there at some expense by train, they added to it by keeping her alive and healthy and then, unaccountably, went to the yet further expense of sending her on another train journey, this time to Germany (to Belsen, in fact) where, near the end of the war she, along with so many of her fellow inmates, contracted typhus and died, with not a gas chamber in sight. (There were no “gas chambers” in Belsen, as even Jewish propagandists admit nowadays.)


Anne’s end was tragic, but we think the events which immediately preceded it provide some additional perspectives by which we can judge the worth of ‘Holocaust’ fable.
[We think it right to state at this stage that the information which we have given above concerning the evidence supplied given by Fred Leuchter to the second trial of Ernst Zuendel in Canada, constitutes only a very abbreviated digest of the facts which he put on record under oath.



However, we believe we have given sufficient of his evidence to indicate, when it is compared with the horror stories highlighted in Jewish propaganda, that the fundamental proposition of the ‘Holocaust’ legend: that the German Nazis set about the “systematic extermination” of the Jewish race on a mass production basis by means of “gas chambers” in “Death Camps” such as Auschwitz, has no foundation in fact and is, on the contrary, a propaganda invention designed morally to intimidate Gentiles and thus provide the Jews with a carte blanche to behave as the Lords of the Earth which they believe that they are—or are destined by their God to become. Those who wish to study Fred Leuchter’s evidence in greater detail should obtain a copy of The Leuchter Report at £5 from: Focal Point Publications, Duke Street London, W1M 5DJ]
Leuchter’s revelations caused high anxiety among Jewish ‘Holocaust’ propagandists, though they were quick to use their power to ensure that nowhere in the world did the mass media report any aspect of his evidence and have now set about trying to destroy his company and his livelihood. But despite their evil and subversive hounding of this honest and brave man the truth about the ‘Holocaust’ lie is leaking out. It is essential that it be exposed for it is the greatest single propaganda weapon in Jewry’s arsenal.

This big lie, together with the monopoly control which Jewish bankers exert over the mass media, constitute the principal means whereby the majority of Gentiles is kept in a passive trance of guilt, fear and ignorance.






http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/hatred.htm#ME

geewhizz
05-01-2012, 02:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okRx3FZlQiQ&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/okRx3FZlQiQ

**This film contains extremely graphic scenes of human suffering, please exercise caution when viewing.**

Produced and presented as evidence at the Nuremberg war crimes trial of Hermann Göring and twenty other Nazi leaders.

Wow, and I've seen most things on WWII but this footage is probably the worst I have ever seen.
Everyone on earth should be made to watch this.

I sat through it and was ashamed to be a member of the Human race after it. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror for a hour or two.

Badly managed work camps which were ravaged by disease mainly. The SS horror stories are there and can not be ignored.

Get used to seeing loads of corpses folks as the man made bio-weapon/virus will be unleashed in the next few years.

lightgiver
05-01-2012, 06:14 PM
Wow, and I've seen most things on WWII but this footage is probably the worst I have ever seen.
Everyone on earth should be made to watch this.


It is horrendous what human beings are capable of, even animals do not behave in such a way...yes sometimes it does make one feel to be ashamed of being called a so called human...I think even today some people with their sick ideologies would want to carry out such atrocities if they could get away with it,and we are aware some people want to blame labels for what goes on ,maybe humans should be called animals and animals human ;)

lightgiver
09-01-2012, 08:11 PM
On 10 April 1941, the Independent State of Croatia was established, supported by Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. It adopted their racial and political doctrines. Jasenovac's role in the Nazi "final solution" was as the ethnic cleansing of the Serbian, Romany and Jewish inhabitants...

Vatican's Holocaust 1/6 - Nazi Croatia death camps - YouTube
http://youtu.be/pWGyTPu6UDE

The Ustase's death camps were directed by numerous Nazi sources:

The office of foreign affairs, represented in Croatia by Siegfried Kasche.

The S.S., represented by a Gestapo official whose identity has not been fully established, but whom Jewish witnesses knew as "Miller".

The Reichsfuhrung and the Wehrmacht.

Vatican's Holocaust 2/6 - Nazi Croatia death camps - YouTube
http://youtu.be/hQqObZm-Y8I

The competition between the different authorities would not usually benefit the Jews, but actually caused each to try and excel past its competitors in maltreatment of Jews and others. The Nazis encouraged the Ustase's anti-Jewish and anti-Roma actions and showed support for the extermination of Serb policy. Soon, the Nazis began to make clear their genocidal goals, as shown by the speech Hitler gave to Slavko Kvaternik, at their meeting on 21 July 1941:

The Jews are the bane of mankind. If the Jews will be allowed to do as they will, like they are permitted in their Soviet heaven, then they will fulfill their most insane plans. And thus Russia became the center to the world's illness... if for any reason, one nation would endure the existence of a single Jewish family, that family would eventually become the center of a new plot. If there are no more Jews in Europe, nothing will hold the unification of the European nations... this sort of people cannot be integrated in the social order or into an organized nation. They are parasites on the body of a healthy society, that live off of expulsion of decent people. One cannot expect them to fit into a state that requires order and discipline. There is only one thing to be done with them: To exterminate them. The state holds this right since, while precious men die on the battlefront, it would be nothing less than criminal to spare these bastards. They must be expelled, or – if they pose no threat to the public – to be imprisoned inside concentration camps and never be released

Vatican's Holocaust 3/6 - Nazi Croatia death camps - YouTube
http://youtu.be/AtTve5zRcmA

The Nazis revisited the possibility of transporting Jews to Auschwitz for liquidation, not only because extermination was easier there, but also because the profits produced from the victims could be kept in German hands, rather than being left for the Croats or Italians. Instead Jasenovac remained a place where Jews who could not be deported would be interned and killed: In this way, while Jews were deported from Tenje, two deportations were also made to Jasenovac. It is also illustrated by the report sent by Hans Helm to Adolf Eichmann, saying that the Jews will first be collected in Stara-Gradiska,and that "Jews employed in 'forced labor' in Ustase camps", mentioning only Jasenovac and Stara Gradiska," will not be deported". The Nazis also found interest in the Jews that remained inside the camp, even in June 1944, after the visit of a Red Cross delegation. Kasche wrote: "Schmidllin showed a special interest in the Jews... Luburic told me that Schmidllin told him that the Jews must be treated in the finest manner, and that they must survive, no matter what happens... Luburic suspected Schmidllin is an English agent and therefore prevented all contact between him and the Jews...

Jasenovac concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rorschach
09-01-2012, 08:42 PM
MASS EXTERMINATION BY GAS CHAMBERS—HOW THE JEWS SAY IT WAS DONE

They claim that many hundreds of Jews [and others—but mostly Jews] were crammed naked into gas chambers. Once inside and the door shut, a quantity of Zyklon B [chalk pellets containing hydrocyanic acid which give off lethal cyanide gas when exposed to the air] was tipped inside through a roof hatch. After an hour or so the door of the gas chamber would be opened and the bodies dragged out. The mouths of the corpses were immediately searched for gold fillings and extractions performed. Other orifices were also searched for hidden valuables. This work was carried out by camp inmates under the immediate supervision of their SS guards. Neither the inmates nor the SS men wore any breathing apparatus or any other kind of protective clothing; indeed, the guards often callously smoked and ate during the gruesome process. Thereafter, the corpses would be sent to the crematoria where they would be reduced to ashes in conventional coke-fired cremation ovens. On days that the ovens were too busy to cope with the workload, pits would be dug, corpses thrown in and incinerated. This process continued 24-hours a day for a period of years. In the case of Birkenau, in the Auschwitz complex of camps, this ‘mass production’ method was supposed to have sustained an extermination/incineration rate of 1,000 an hour—24,000 a day.

Even before we turn to the detail of Leuchter’s evidence to the Canadian Court, the preposterous impudence of the Jewish ‘Holocaust’ story must be self-evident to those who can perform a little simple arithmetic: If Birkenau-Auschwitz exterminated 1,000 Jews an hour for a year that would result in 8,760,000 Jewish dead. [1,000 x 24 x 365]. As that “death factory” was supposed to be functional for about four years, we arrive at a figure of 35,040,000! [/url]


they claim , the jews claim ,
listen to yourself just listen .

leuchter`s evidence was not only flawed but much of it missed out facts im not going to waste bandwidth re posting for the umpteenth fucking time this evidence but needless to say it makes leucters look like a fucking idiot .

look at the evidence lightgiver has produced alone all of it dismissed by you and fellow deniers ,
the figures for deaths is so flawed its laughable , it does not account for those killed without registration at camps or include those who the nazis claim died of natural causes (almost every inmate according to the oh so fucking efficient nazi doctors )
so next time you ask for evidence and get thousands of different accounts dont counter it with two or three nut case nazi sites quoting one or two nutters cause thats not doing your side of the debate any favours


one extraordinary example of an inmate missing from holocaust figures on lecters lists was a man shot in the head , according to his camp records he died of heart attack , well a bullet in the brain will do that .
another victim of the gas chamber records showed he died of an std that brought about a stroke .

so take your bullshit theories that hold less water than a thimble and throw them in the bucket were they belong .

lightgiver
09-01-2012, 09:05 PM
they claim , the jews claim ,
listen to yourself just listen .

leuchter`s evidence was not only flawed but much of it missed out facts im not going to waste bandwidth re posting for the umpteenth fucking time this evidence but needless to say it makes leucters look like a fucking idiot .

look at the evidence lightgiver has produced alone all of it dismissed by you and fellow deniers ,
the figures for deaths is so flawed its laughable , it does not account for those killed without registration at camps or include those who the nazis claim died of natural causes (almost every inmate according to the oh so fucking efficient nazi doctors )
so next time you ask for evidence and get thousands of different accounts dont counter it with two or three nut case nazi sites quoting one or two nutters cause thats not doing your side of the debate any favours


one extraordinary example of an inmate missing from holocaust figures on lecters lists was a man shot in the head , according to his camp records he died of heart attack , well a bullet in the brain will do that .
another victim of the gas chamber records showed he died of an std that brought about a stroke .

so take your bullshit theories that hold less water than a thimble and throw them in the bucket were they belong .

ffs look at the vids and pics above this post ,
theres about 200 of them are you fucking blind
and thats this thread alone theres 4 more threads with pics and vids and written testimonies ,
but you just ignore or dismiss them ,
thats not debate jimmy .

Ignore them, they are trying to de rail thread ,no matter how much info you post these type of people will dismiss it with silly one liners.They would know about it if a peice of concrete fell on their little toe.;)

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=188378

lightgiver
09-01-2012, 09:22 PM
An important documentary describing the startling discovery of the Auschwitz Death Camp during Allied Air Reconnaissance...

Auschwitz Forgotten Evidence 1 of 5 (Aerial Photos) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/gmwcjzNu9nk

Auschwitz Forgotten Evidence 2 of 5 (Aerial Photos) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/X5P4mHhgULI

Auschwitz Forgotten Evidence 3 of 5 (Aerial Photos) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/4w2uA646h7c

This documentary describes how the allies dealt with the intelligence they obtained...

http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=85617

Auschwitz bombing debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
11-01-2012, 10:17 PM
Belzec, Polish spelling Bełżec, was the first of the Nazi German extermination camps created for implementing Operation Reinhard during the Holocaust. Operating from March 17, 1942 to the end of June 1943, the camp was situated in occupied Poland about 1 km south of the local railroad station of Bełżec in the Lublin district of the General Government.

Between 430,000 and 500,000 Jews are believed to have been killed at Bełżec, along with an unknown number of Poles and Roma; only one or two Jews are known to have survived Bełżec and the war: Rudolf Reder and Chaim Hirszman. The lack of survivors, who could have given testimony, is the primary reason why this camp is so little known despite the enormous number of victims.

The camp's first known commander, Christian Wirth, lived very close to the camp in a house which also served as a kitchen for the SS as well as an armoury. He later moved to the Lublin airfield site to oversee Operation Reinhard. He was transferred to San Sabba, a former rice mill in Trieste, Italy. He received the Iron Cross in April 1944. He was killed the following month by partisans whilst travelling in an open topped car in what is today western Croatia. His successor Gottlieb Hering served after the war for a short time as the chief of Criminal Police of Heilbronn and died in autumn 1945 in a hospital. Lorenz Hackenholt survived the war, but disappeared in 1945. British historian Michael Tregenza may have come close to finding Hackenholt in 1990 and his colleague Alan Heath suggested that he had located where Hackenholt may have been hiding in the 1960s.

This document, the so-called Höfle Telegram, confirms 434,508 Jews were killed at Belzec in 1942...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Hoefletelegram.jpg

Only seven former members of the SS-Sonderkommando Belzec were indicted in Munich, but only one of them, Josef Oberhauser, was brought to trial in 1965 and sentenced to 4 years and 6 months in prison, half of which he served before being released.

Belzec Survivor Braha Rauffmann
Belzec Survivor Braha Rauffmann - YouTube
http://youtu.be/82fuvUoprOQ

Remains of the camp...

From late 1997 until early 1998, a thorough archaeological survey of the site was conducted as there was no memorial yet at the site. The survey was headed by Andrzej Kola, director of the Underwater Archaeological Department at the University of Torun, and Mieczyslaw Gora, senior curator of the Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology in Lodz. The team identified the railway sidings and remains of a number of buildings. They also found 33 mass graves, the largest of which were 210 by 60 feet. The team estimated that they had found 15,000 unburned bodies, and "The largest mass graves ... contained unburned human remains (parts and pieces of skulls with hair and skin attached) and entire bodies preserved in wax-fat transformation. The foul smelling bottom layer of the graves consisted of several inches to a meter thick of human fat resembling black soap. One grave contained uncrushed human bones so closely packed that the drill could not penetrate."

Höfle Telegram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Belzec extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
16-01-2012, 06:55 PM
The Bardufoss concentration camp is located in Northern Norway in the municipality of Målselv. During the occupation of Norway by Nazi Germany, the Nazi authorities established a "concentration camp in the town of Bardufoss," as an annex to the Grini concentration camp. It opened in March 1944 to alleviate overflowing in other camps, particularly Grini and the Falstad concentration camp. Situated in a cold climate, it was notorious for its hard work regime, sparse rations, and inadequate shelter. It is estimated that some 800 prisoners passed through the camp, and when liberated about 550 were incarcerated...

Berg concentration camp
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Berg-fengsel.jpg

The camp at Berg was founded upon an initiative in the fall of 1941 from Norwegian officials Nasjonal Samling and with some opposition from the German occupying authorities, Wilhelm Rediess in particular. The main advocates for the camp were Minister of Justice Sverre Riisnæs, mayor Bjerck of Tønsberg, and head of the Hird in Vestfold, Eivind Wallestad. Police minister Jonas Lie approved the construction plans on June 12, 1942.

Nazi germany invasion of Norway! - YouTube
http://youtu.be/kB5G8Ua3zp8

Vidkun Quisling had spoken of the camp at a speech in Horten on May 25, 1942 as an expression of his outrage of the Norwegian Constitution Day celebration among Norwegian patriots. He promised his political opposition that a "chicken coop" would be established for them.

The camp was planned to have a capacity of 3,000 prisoners but was never fully finished. It was unique among the camps in Norway in that it was run entirely by Norwegians under the authority of the Ministry of Police.

Berg concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
19-01-2012, 11:37 PM
dr. Josef Mengele the angel of death 1/6 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/owwL0Fynqak

dr. Josef Mengele the angel of death 2/6 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/TG5crf1_gRE

dr. Josef Mengele the angel of death 3/6 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/kb-d-pAtWD4

dr. Josef Mengele the angel of death 4/6 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/uDF5eL_z0go

Twin Holocaust survivors describe arriving at Auschwitz ...

Twin Holocaust survivors describe arriving at Auschwitz - YouTube
http://youtu.be/MWJyjAYyF8E

lightgiver
24-01-2012, 02:11 AM
Ohrdruf concentration camp was a Nazi forced labor and concentration camp located near Weimar, Germany. It was part of the Buchenwald concentration camp network and the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops.

In The News 4-26-1945 Nazi Murders (GRAPHIC) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/sXsUevoD4sY

Created in November 1944 near the town of Gotha, Germany, Ohrdruf supplied forced labor in the form of concentration camp prisoners for railway construction leading to a proposed communications center, which was never completed due to the rapid American advance.

In late March 1945, the camp had a prisoner population of some 11,700, but in early April the SS evacuated almost all the prisoners on death marches to Buchenwald. The SS guards killed many of the remaining prisoners who were too ill to walk to the railcars...

NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP - Ohrdruf - YouTube
http://youtu.be/HJRUVHRfO1c

When the soldiers of the 4th Armored Division entered the camp, they discovered piles of bodies, some covered with lime, and others partially incinerated on pyres. The ghastly nature of their discovery led General Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe, to visit the camp on April 12, with Generals George S. Patton and Omar Bradley. After his visit, Eisenhower cabled General George C. Marshall, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington, describing his trip to Ohrdruf:

. . .the most interesting--although horrible--sight that I encountered during the trip was a visit to a German internment camp near Gotha. The things I saw beggar description. While I was touring the camp I encountered three men who had been inmates and by one ruse or another had made their escape. I interviewed them through an interpreter. The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 'propaganda.'

U.S. Generals Eisenhower, Bradley and Patton inspect a cremation pyre at the camp on April 12, 1945, after liberation...
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Ohrdruf made a powerful impression on General George S. Patton as well. He described it as "one of the most appalling sights that I have ever seen." He recounted in his diary that

In a shed . . . was a pile of about 40 completely naked human bodies in the last stages of emaciation. These bodies were lightly sprinkled with lime, not for the purposes of destroying them, but for the purpose of removing the stench. When the shed was full--I presume its capacity to be about 200, the bodies were taken to a pit a mile from the camp where they were buried. The inmates claimed that 3,000 men, who had been either shot in the head or who had died of starvation, had been so buried since the 1st of January. When we began to approach with our troops, the Germans thought it expedient to remove the evidence of their crime. Therefore, they had some of the slaves exhume the bodies and place them on a mammoth griddle composed of 60-centimeter railway tracks laid on brick foundations. They poured pitch on the bodies and then built a fire of pinewood and coal under them. They were not very successful in their operations because there was a pile of human bones, skulls, charred torsos on or under the griddle which must have accounted for many hundreds.

Ohrdruf concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
27-01-2012, 09:47 PM
The Red Army Faction (German: Rote Armee Fraktion), shortened to RAF and in its early stages commonly known as Baader-Meinhof Group, was one of post–World War II Germany's most violent and prominent left-wing terror groups. The RAF described itself as a communist and anti-imperialist "urban guerrilla" group engaged in armed resistance against what they deemed to be a fascist state. The RAF was founded in 1970 by Andreas Baader, Gudrun Ensslin, Horst Mahler, and Ulrike Meinhof.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/RAF-Logo.svg/474px-RAF-Logo.svg.png

The origins of the group can be traced back to the student protest movement in West Germany. Industrialised nations in late 1960s experienced social upheavals related to the maturing of the baby boomers born after World War II, the Cold War, and the end of colonialism. Newly-found youth identity and issues such as racism, women's liberation and anti-imperialism were at the forefront of left-wing politics.

Some used the supposed association of society with Nazism as an argument against any peaceful approaches:

They'll kill us all. You know what kind of pigs we're up against. This is the Auschwitz generation. You can't argue with people who made Auschwitz. They have weapons and we haven't. We must arm ourselves!

—Gudrun Ensslin speaking after the death of Benno Ohnesorg.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Ulrike_Meinhof_als_junge_Jo.jpg

RAF founder Ulrike Meinhof had a long history in the Communist Party. Holger Meins had studied film and was a veteran of the Berlin revolt; his short feature How To Produce A Molotov Cocktail had been seen by huge audiences. Jan Carl Raspe had lived at the Kommune 2; Horst Mahler had been an established lawyer, but was also at the center of the anti-Springer revolt from the beginning. From their own personal experiences and assessments of the socio-economic situation they soon became more specifically influenced by Leninism and Maoism, calling themselves 'Marxist-Leninist' though they effectively added to or updated this ideological tradition. A contemporaneous critique of the Red Army Faction's view of the state, published in a pirate edition of Le Monde Diplomatique, ascribed to it 'state-fetishism' – an ideologically obsessive misreading of bourgeois dynamics and the nature and role of the state in post-WWII societies, including West Germany...

Ulrike Meinhof interviewed in 1970 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/k7jEk_f04pE

Ulrike Marie Meinhof was a German left-wing militant. She co-founded the Red Army Faction (Rote Armee Fraktion) in 1970 after having previously worked as a journalist for the monthly left-wing magazine Konkret. She was arrested in 1972, and eventually charged with numerous murders and the formation of a criminal association. Before the trial concluded, Meinhof was found hanged in her cell in 1976...

In December 1972, Meinhof, who was awaiting trial, was called to testify at Horst Mahler's trial where Mahler questioned her about the statement of support the two had issued for the September 1972 massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. His questioning led her to say


How was Auschwitz possible, what was anti-Semitism? It used the hatred of the people of their dependence on money as a medium of exchange, their longing for communism. Auschwitz means that six million Jews were murdered and carted on to the rubbish dumps of Europe for being that which was maintained of them – Money-Jews. What had happened was that finance capital and banks, the hard core of the system of imperialism and capitalism, had diverted the people’s hatred of money and exploitation away from themselves and on to the Jews...

Formation of the RAF...

World War II was only twenty years earlier. Those in charge of the police, the schools, the government — they were the same people who’d been in charge under Nazism. The chancellor, Kurt Georg Kiesinger, had been a Nazi. People started discussing this only in the 60's. We were the first generation since the war, and we were asking our parents questions. Due to the Nazi past, everything bad was compared to the Third Reich. If you heard about police brutality, that was said to be just like the SS. The moment you see your own country as the continuation of a fascist state, you give yourself permission to do almost anything against it. You see your action as the resistance that your parents did not put up.

— Stefan Aust, author of Der Baader Meinhof Komplex

Red Army Faction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
29-01-2012, 11:59 PM
There is of course a mountain of evidence to support the fact that the Nazis murdered upwards of six million Jews during the Second World War.

Survivor Testimony About Treblinka Death Camp ...
Survivor Testimony About Treblinka Death Camp - YouTube
http://youtu.be/ogmBWA9Y7Bk

However, there are still people who deny the Holocaust, which is pretty much akin to people denying the existence of the Pacific Ocean.

Of course the thing to do with Pacific Ocean deniers is to fly them out to Los Angeles and take them down to Venice Beach for a look. It is a little more complicated with the Holocaust. For example, deniers have often claimed that the Treblinka death camp in Poland was used merely for transit and that no Jews died there. If you go there now, as Jonathan Charles did for the making of this penetrating documentary, you will see very little but for a watchtower and some ramshackle fencing in a forest clearing – the Nazis systematically destroyed the camp in their retreat from the Soviets.

Moreover, because the only industry which took place in the camp was that of murder (some 800,000 were killed in this one camp – the equivalent of the entire population of Glasgow plus surrounding towns), there were only 70 survivors and most of these are now dead.

But you do not have to scratch far beneath the surface to find the evidence for slaughter on an unimaginable scale. In fact, as Caroline Sturdy Colls of the University of Birmingham discovered, above the mass burial pits where the corpses of hundreds of thousands were buried, the soil quality is so poor that practically nothing has taken root there in nearly 70 years.

Sturdy Colls and her team wanted to find more conclusive evidence of where the mass graves were located. Because Jewish law forbids the digging up of the ground, Sturdy Colls and her team used new technology – ground-penetrating radar, sending pulses into the earth which are reflected from buried remains. She believes she has now located the pits – some of them vast.

One does not need too much of an imagination to visualise the scenes of utter horror which must have been repeated on a daily basis at the camp. But just in case, Charles used the testimony of survivors, including Kalman Taigman, who remembered arriving at the camp and being hit on the head as he was being separated from his mother, and never seeing her again.

The memoirs of another survivor, Chil Rajchman, relate how the embers from the ovens settled over a pit containing some 250,000 bodies and set the whole area alight – the rotting corpses of a quarter of a million Jews fuelling a grotesque bonfire.

The deniers will be able to go over and examine the evidence for themselves now. One presumes that very few will make the trip.

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/n9g25/the-hidden-graves-of-the-holocaust

lightgiver
30-01-2012, 01:27 AM
Dr Mengele's Siamese Twins (part I) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/89KdR7wAymY

Tito & Nino the twins made into Siamese twins at Auschwitz...


The trial transcript reads:


Attorney General: Do you remember the notorious Dr. Mengele?

Witness Alexander: To my sorrow - very well indeed.

Q. We have already heard about him, but there is one matter which we have not yet heard about. Do you remember the experiments he used to conduct on twins?

A. I only witnessed one experiment.

Q. What did you witness?

A. There was a set of twins, Gypsies, whom he took away one day from the block where I was - that was the Zigeunerlager - the Gypsy camp. Some days later, he returned them, with veins in their arms and their backs sewn together.

Presiding Judge: I did not understand that.

Attorney General: He sewed them.

Presiding Judge: Sewed the veins together?

Witness Alexander: Yes.

Q. Did he turn them into Siamese twins?

A. He sewed their arms together - they were already full of pus, and full of wounds.

Attorney General: And they did not live much longer?

Witness Alexander: I succeeded in getting out of there, before...I asked the Lagerfuehrer who had transferred me there to send me back to the women's camp.

Dr Mengele's Siamese Twins (part II) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/iqySa4hkGNU

lightgiver
30-01-2012, 01:55 PM
The following quote is from a book entitled "The Criminal Mind" by Dr. Katherine Ramsland who wrote 25 books on criminal psychology:


Besides bureaucrats and the military, Hitler also inspired some doctors to serve his horrific vision, most notably Auschwitz's Angel of Death, Josef Mengele. A leader in the Nazi biomedical vision, he thrived on experiments with genetic abnormalities. Arriving in Auschwitz on May 30, 1943, he took charge of the "selections" process. He'd show up at the prisoner transports looking quite elegant and at a glance would decide each person's destiny. He sent anyone with an imperfection to the gas chamber and singled others out for work or for his nefarious experiments.

Mengele enjoyed his powerful position. To uphold the Nazi ideal of racial purification was his driving motivation. Yet no one quite knew what to expect from him. Even as he separated families and killed with impunity, he might step into the role of concerned physician or whimsically allow some people to live.

In his desire to improve the efficiency of the camp as a killing machine, he taught other doctors how to give phenol injections to a long line of prisoners, quickly ending their lives. He also shot people, and by some reports he tossed live babies into the crematoria. Throughout all of this, he kept a detached, efficient demeanor and viewed himself as a "scientist."

Mengele's great passion was his research on twins. They were weighed, measured, and compared in every way. Some he would kill for pathological examinations, dissecting a few and keeping parts preserved. Others he might operate on without anesthesia, removing limbs or sexual organs. If one twin died during these experiments, the other was no longer of use, so he or she was simply gassed.

Yet even as he targeted them for mutilation or death, he'd play with them and show great affection. He even gave them a ride in his car on their way to the gas chamber. Afterward, he might walk around with their heads or pin their eyes to a bulletin board.

whale
30-01-2012, 04:01 PM
[SIZE="3"][COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]There is of course a mountain of evidence to support the fact that the Nazis murdered upwards of six million Jews during the Second World War.

Bollocks http://whale.to/b/holocaust_revisionism.html

lightgiver
30-01-2012, 04:03 PM
Bollocks http://whale.to/b/holocaust_revisionism.html

Bollocks ..the first word to come out of your little brain...just goes to show your level of IQ...probably about zero.

Look mate this thread is about nazi concentration camps, there are plenty other threads to post that nonsense...now run along.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=175373

Dachau concentration camp (German: Konzentrationslager (KZ) Dachau, IPA: [ˈdaxaʊ]) was the first Nazi concentration camp opened in Germany, located on the grounds of an abandoned munitions factory near the medieval town of Dachau, about 16 km (9.9 mi) northwest of Munich in the state of Bavaria, which is located in southern Germany. Opened 22 March 1933 (51 days after Hitler took power), it was the first regular concentration camp established by the coalition government of the National Socialist Party (Nazi Party) and the German Nationalist People's Party (dissolved on 6 July 1933). Heinrich Himmler, then Chief of Police of Munich, officially described the camp as "the first concentration camp for political prisoners."

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5188/756pxconcentrationcampd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/192/756pxconcentrationcampd.jpg/)

Dachau served as a prototype and model for the other Nazi concentration camps that followed. Almost every community in Germany had members taken away to these camps. Newspapers continually reported of "the removal of the enemies of the Reich to concentration camps", and as early as 1935 there were jingles warning: "Dear God, make me dumb, that I may not to Dachau come" ("Lieber Gott, mach mich dumm, damit ich nicht nach Dachau kumm").

Crematorium in operation...
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4048/bundesarchivbild183h269.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/213/bundesarchivbild183h269.jpg/)

"Propaganda tries to force a doctrine on the whole people... Propaganda works on the general public from the standpoint of an idea and makes them ripe for the victory of this idea." Adolf Hitler wrote these words in his book Mein Kampf (1926)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005202

antiarchonist
02-02-2012, 03:03 AM
Nazi Germany maintained concentration camps (in German Konzentrationslager, or KZ) throughout the territories it controlled. The first Nazi concentration camps set up in Germany were greatly expanded after the Reichstag fire of 1933, and were intended to hold political prisoners and opponents of the regime. The term was borrowed from the British concentration camps of the Second Anglo-Boer War.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bPFy3UeP0I&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/7bPFy3UeP0I

The number of camps quadrupled between 1939 and 1942 to 300+, as slave-laborers from across Europe, Jews, political prisoners, criminals, homosexuals, gypsies, the mentally ill and others were incarcerated,generally without judicial process. Holocaust scholars draw a distinction between concentration camps (described in this article) and extermination camps, which were established by the Nazis for the industrial-scale mass murder of the predominantly Jewish ghetto and concentration camp populations...


A mass grave inside Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.
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Towards the end of the war, the camps became sites for medical experiments. Eugenics experiments, freezing prisoners to determine how downed pilots were affected by exposure, and experimental and lethal medicines were all tried at various camps. Female prisoners were routinely raped and degraded in the camps...

A concentration camp victim identifies an SS guard in June 1945.
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The camps were liberated by the Allied and Soviet forces between 1944 and 1945. The first major camp, Majdanek, was discovered by the advancing Soviets on July 23, 1944. Auschwitz was liberated, also by the Soviets, on January 27, 1945; Buchenwald by the Americans on April 11; Bergen-Belsen by the British on April 15; Dachau by the Americans on April 29; Ravensbrück by the Soviets on the same day; Mauthausen by the Americans on May 5; and Theresienstadt by the Soviets on May 8. Treblinka, Sobibor, and Bełżec were never liberated, but were destroyed by the Nazis in 1943. Colonel William W. Quinn of the U.S. 7th Army said of Dachau: "There our troops found sights, sounds, and stenches horrible beyond belief, cruelties so enormous as to be incomprehensible to the normal mind."

In most of the camps discovered by the Soviets, almost all the prisoners had already been removed, leaving only a few thousand alive—7,000 inmates were found in Auschwitz, including 180 children who had been experimented on by doctors. Some 60,000 prisoners were discovered at Bergen-Belsen by the British 11th Armoured Division, 13,000 corpses lay unburied, and another 10,000 died from typhus or malnutrition over the following weeks.The British forced the remaining SS guards to gather up the corpses and place them in mass graves...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

LOL!

There were 'officially' just 16 'death' camps. The remaining camps are 'officially' prison camps and were in operation AKAIK since at least 1933. They were Jew-free back then, unless of course the criminals were Jews.

Your photographic evidence is quite ridiculous. You have a guy wearing a striped shirt and a guy wearing striped pants (which probably means they are prisoners) and a corpse near a fire pit.

What exactly does that prove? If I took a photograph of a cremation at a local funeral home, is that prove of the a holocaust of 6 million Jewish people?

Then you have a photo of a pile of bodies. Which proves nothing except somebody took a photo of a pile of bodies. How do we know when and where the photo was taken and whose bodies they were? We don't. Yet another photo that doesn't prove the gassing and extermination of 6 million Jews because 6 million Jews never died in WWII so there is no proof.

I LOVE this photo:

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2391/734pxconcentrationcamps.jpg

And your description: "A concentration camp victim identifies an SS guard in June 1945."

HAHA! Okay. So what? What are you trying to say? This is a picture of a guy wearing stripes pointing at a guy not wearing stripes. How do we know he is identifying anybody? For that matter again, what does this prove?

NOTHING!

You have a seemingly harmless name 'lightgiver' yet you only dispense bullshit and garbage propaganda.

These photographs are proof of nothing

Show us Jews begging for their life, choking for air while Zyklon B is filling their lungs. Show us their eyes bleeding. Show us the Sonderkommandos entering the chambers to remove the bodies minutes after the gassing is done and miraculously surviving (even though they should also die from the fumes in theory)

Show us the proof of the actual crimes. Photos of skinny people or corpses proves nothing no matter how you try to spin it. Stop emotionally pulling at our heart strings. We have no emotions other than anger of being lied to. You are just fueling the fire of anger and propigating the lie of 6 million. There is no proof that Jews were gassed. No proof. No proof of 6 million dead Jews. What were their names? Where is the proof? Some Israeli Jew writes a 400 page book about the holocaust without any proof and people use it as proof when it isn't proof itself. That holocaust industry in a nutshell. ALL LIES!

The holocaust is one part historical fact and 6 million parts lies. LIES! You are a liar! Stop lying

Your big colorful font and your carefully selective persuasive language proves nothing other than the fact that you are deliberately trying to manipulate others. AKA, you are the problem. You are a liar among liars, lying to us for sympathy. You want to keep spinning the holocaust yarn for years to come. To indoctrine our youth into eternal sympathy. For profit and for Israel

We can see right through you deceptive tactics

zegzy
02-02-2012, 03:11 AM
You have a seemingly harmless name 'lightgiver' yet you only dispense bullshit and garbage propaganda.

I'm not going to get into the debate on this thread, but i do read the posts.

antiarchonist
02-02-2012, 03:28 AM
Corpses of concentration camp victims after being exposed to NAZI Gas:

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/3245/holocaust2corpses.gif

This photo was taken by a Sonderkommando. This wagon is what they use to take the dead gassed Jews to the ovens for creamtation. This is why there are no bodies left and no proof that 6 million died. They were burned into thin air.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4788/shoesgf.jpg

This is a room full of shoes. The Jews were stripped naked and marched into gas chambers where they were killed by Nazis. 6 million Jews died. There are over 12 million shoes as a result in this single room (the floor is deep)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8059/pict20.jpg

This is a satellite photo of Aushwitz. You can see the Jews being marched to their gas chamber deaths. 6 million of them are visible in this photo if you squint real hard.

This is essentionally the tactics used by lightgiver. He uses photos for maximum shock value followed by dubious and erroneous descriptions. These photos prove nothing except there are corpses, shoes, and a satellite photo. The descriptions can be made up.

Where are the photos of Jews being gased? There aren't any. Because there weren't any gassings.

There is no evidence of gassings. ZERO. NONE! The gas chambers, like the electrocusion pit, is a lie. It's a big fat lie to the power of 6 million.

Persecution of Jews yes, but Jews weren't alone. Jews were not singled out. Jews did not suffer the most. And the Jewish account of the holocaust is not unique, it is simply exploited for maximum exposure. For Israel, for sympathy, and for profit.

The lie can be exposed within 15 minutes of independent research. Research the facts yourself. Come to a conclusion yourself. Do not believe the holocaust official narrative or the people who try to smear truth-seekers as antisemites. They are liars. They are on a deliberate smear campaign. Many of them are psychopaths which is apparent in their classic manipulative rheterocal technique.

Research the facts for yourself. 6 million did not die, there were no gas chambers, and there was no extermination policy. Do not be fooled by misleading unrelated photos which do not prove the fact that 6 million did not die and there were no gas chambers. These people will go as low as they must and use whatever trick to tug at your emotions. Call them out on their tactics so that others are aware of them.

They write at a juvenile level and resort to personal attacks when threatened. Threaten them. Corner them like rabid dogs and let them seal their fate and go down in history with the liars who concocted this ridiculous fable. Holocaust revisionism is not holocaust denial. The fact that people say that it is exposes their lies. They are covering up the truth. The truth is there were no death camps. Just concentration prison camps.

Jews were considered enemies of Germany, enemies of war. "Judea" declared war on Germany and Germany felt that the Jews stabbed them in the back. There were hardly any Jews in Germany in the first place. Germany was at war with Poland. It was war. 6 million Jews did not die. There is no proof. Circumstancial evidence and fabricated 'facts' have become history because they support an agenda. Do not fall for their manipulative tricks. Point them out, expose them. Expose these liars for who they are. De-legitimize them for they are not legitimate. Never trust anything they say, a liar can only be trusted to tell lies. And this person is a liar.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5960/holo.gif

antiarchonist
02-02-2012, 03:33 AM
Hmm...




Maybe you need to ask yourself why he is wearing striped clothing in the first place...you people are really dense.

Yes I am so dense because he is wearing striped clothing. I guess because he is a prisoner. But what does that prove? Prisoner. Big deal. How does that make me dense?

A photo of a prisoner(s) even burning a corpse doesn't prove the holocaust of 6 million Jews and gassings. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel. How am I dense to point out the fact that you have not proven anything except that there is a black and white photo of a prisoner(s)? What are their names? Where are they stationed? Which concentration camp? What year? Without these details, what are you trying to prove?

That there are photos of prisoners?

Hey look, here is a photo of a Japanese American in a US interment camp (US concentration camp for Japanese people during WWII):

http://americanhistory.si.edu/ourstory/i/photos/internment_lg.jpg

You are so dense! Can't you see that this guy is a prisoner!?

See what I am saying? Are you 12? Is English your native language?

There is no proof of gas chambers, an extermination program, or six million dead Jews. No proof. Your tactics are juvenile and poor.

antiarchonist
02-02-2012, 03:46 AM
Hmm...




Maybe you need to ask yourself why he is wearing striped clothing in the first place...you people are really dense...and pretty sick if you want to see people choking to death and their eyes bleeding...are piles of dead corpses not enough for you...


Sick? I want to see proof of gassing. I don't want to see their eyes bleeding, I just know that technically they would be bleeding (most likely) if they were gassed. The holocaust industry makes a big deal about gassings and ovens. Where is the photographic proof? Photos of bodies prove nothing. It was a war. People die in war. I'm sure they stacked their bodies up. How do I know these aren't dead Russians? Or even Germans?! It's a piles of bodies. It isn't good enough for me.


Why is the holocaust so important to Israel if they learned nothing from it except to take after the Nazis they complain about? Call them Nazis and they call you an antisemite. Israel is a terrorist state full of terrorists, led by terrorists, with state-sponsored terrorism as policy. They are the new Nazis. Zionism is fascism. Stop complaining about the holocaust and get over it. Stop whining about truth-seekers pointing out the holocaust flaws and stop subjecting a group of people to a holocaust of your own. Nazis.

lightgiver
02-02-2012, 03:49 AM
Zigeunermischlinge ("Gypsy half-breeds") used in an anthropological study by German psychologist Eva Justin. They were sent to the "Gypsy camp" and murdered when the camp was liquidated...
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5179/romanikidsww2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/romanikidsww2.jpg/)
"Mischlinge" half-Romani children at St. Josefspflege orphanage in Mulfingen, Germany, were used in Eva Justin's racial studies for her PhD dissertation. 39 of them (20 boys and 19 girls) were shipped to Auschwitz extermination camp on May 9, 1944. Of the 39 children, two survived Auschwitz; all the others were killed, most on August 3, 1944...

As Auschwitz decree, the decree Heinrich Himmler from the 16th December 1942 referred to by which the deportation of the inside of the German Empire surviving Roma was ordered to it - unlike previous individual or collective deportations - to destroy the entire minority. The decree itself is not delivered. He is following him in the execution of policy (the "express letter") of the Reich Criminal Police Office on (RKPA) 29 January 1943, cited as a reference:

"By order of the Reichsführer SS, 16:12:42 - Tgb No. I 2652/42 Ad. / RF / V. - Hybrids are gypsies, Rom Gypsies and non- German blood relatives gypsy clans of Balkan origins to specific guidelines to select and instruct in an action of a few weeks in a concentration camp. This group of people is in the following abbreviated as 'gypsy people'. The briefing takes place regardless of the degree of mixed blood family, in the concentration camp ( Gypsy camp ) Auschwitz. "

The quick letter was entitled "Instruction of Gypsy half-breeds, Rome and Balkan Gypsies Gypsies to concentration camps."

Similar deportation orders as to the express letter of 29 Were issued on 26 January 1943 and January 28, 1943 for the " Danube and Alpenreichsgaue "and on 29 March 1943 for the District of Bialystok , the Alsace , Lorraine , Belgium , Luxembourg and the Netherlands . Compared to the Burgenland and the East Prussian Roma pointed to the RKPA similar statements of 26 May and 1 October 1941 and the 6 July, 1942.

A precursor of the decree was Himmler Thierack Agreement of 17 September, 1942. It read:

Anti-social elements from the prison, Jews, Gypsies, Russians, Ukrainians (or should) to the Reichsführer SS for extermination through work are delivered.

Eva Justin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz-Erlass

lightgiver
02-02-2012, 07:29 PM
Aryan /ˈɛərjən/ is an English language loanword derived from Sanskrit ārya ('Noble'). In present-day academia, the terms "Indo-Iranian" and "Indo-European" have, according to many, made most uses of the term 'Aryan' minimal, and 'Aryan' is now mostly limited to its appearance in the term "Indo-Aryan" to represent (speakers of) North, West and Central Indian languages.

Western notions of an "Aryan race" rose to prominence in late-19th and early-20th century racialist thought, an idea most notably embraced by Nazi ideology (see master race). The Nazis believed that the "Nordic peoples" (who were also referred to as the "Germanic peoples") represent an ideal and "pure race" that was the purest representation of the original racial stock of those who were then called the Proto-Aryans...

The English word "Aryan" is borrowed from the Sanskrit word ārya meaning 'Noble';it was used initially as a national name to designate the worshippers of the Hindu deities and especially Indra according to Brahmanical principles (performance of sacrifice, Yajna). The Zend airya 'venerable' and Old Persian ariya are also considered as national names...The word Iran is the Persian word for land/place of the Aryan...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan#In_Iranian_literature

lightgiver
02-02-2012, 07:45 PM
Chemical weapons in World War I were primarily used to demoralize, injure and kill entrenched defenders, against whom the indiscriminate and generally slow-moving or static nature of gas clouds would be most effective. The types of weapons employed ranged from disabling chemicals, such as tear gas and the severe mustard gas, to lethal agents like phosgene and chlorine. This chemical warfare was a major component of the first global war and first total war of the 20th century. The killing capacity of gas, however, was limited – only four percent of combat deaths were caused by gas. Because it was possible to develop effective countermeasures against chemical attacks, such as gas masks, gas was unlike most other weapons of the period. In the later stages of the war, as the use of gas increased, its overall effectiveness diminished. The widespread use of these agents of chemical warfare, and wartime advances in the composition of high explosives, gave rise to an occasionally expressed view of World War I as "the chemists' war"...

Germany was the first to make large-scale use of gas as a weapon when on 31 January 1915, 18,000 artillery shells containing liquid xylyl bromide tear gas were fired on Russian positions on the Rawka River, west of Warsaw during the Battle of Bolimov. However, instead of vaporizing, the chemical froze and failed to have the desired effect.

The most widely reported and, perhaps, the most effective gas of the First World War was mustard gas, a vesicant, which was introduced by Germany in July 1917 prior to the Third Battle of Ypres. The Germans marked their shells yellow for mustard gas and green for chlorine and phosgene, so they called the new gas Yellow Cross. It was known to the British as HS (Hun Stuff), while the French called it Yperite (named after Ypres)...


Each year, according to official statistics, 50 people in the UK die and hundreds more suffer serious health problems as a result of accidental over-exposure to carbon monoxide.

Its effect depends on how much carbon monoxide is present and the length of exposure to it: a lungful of gas would kill almost instantly, but at lower levels the most common symptoms of poisoning are persistent headaches, sickness, tiredness and general weakness - hence it is sometimes mistaken for flu or food poisoning.

A cyanide is a chemical compound that contains the cyano group, -C≡N, which consists of a carbon atom triple-bonded to a nitrogen atom. Cyanides most commonly refer to salts of the anion CN−. Most cyanides are highly toxic.

Hydrogen cyanide gas has also been used for judicial execution in some states of the United States, where cyanide was generated by reaction between potassium cyanide dropped into a compartment containing sulfuric acid, directly below the chair in the gas chamber...

Nazi leader Himmler taken just moments after he swallowed cyanide pill...
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Cyanide makes the cells of an organism unable to use oxygen, primarily through the inhibition of cytochrome c oxidase. Inhalation of high concentrations of cyanide causes a coma with seizures, apnea, and cardiac arrest, with death following in a matter of minutes.


Cyanide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lnaturalgas.htm

Chemical weapons in World War I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

eternal_spirit
05-02-2012, 03:56 AM
THE AUSCHWITZ HOAX




[There isn't any evidence for homicidal gas chambers, only gas shelters or disinfection chambers to kill lice that spread Typhus (hence the use of Zyklon B), a major cause of death at the time and the reason for all the bodies seen in the mass graves at Belsen, that were used to convince people of Nazi 'death camps.' The gas chamber myth can easily be seen in the absurdity of the morgues that are passed off as gas chambers at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz II, and in the actual mechanics of using gas to kill humans (see Mechanics of Gassing Gas chambers). There also isn't any written evidence for a policy of genocide known as the 'Final Solution'. Other telling evidence is the Persecution of revisionists and the studious avoidance of Forensic examinations relying purely on Eye Witnesses.

The Holocaust story started out as propaganda 1 (see Soap Lampshades Nazi 'gas chamber'), and at the war end served to hide the British Tavistock (Illuminati/Zionist) creation of the war (see: Wars Bormann Himmler Hitler Stalin), along with war and post war crimes (1 2, 3, 4, 5), while it helped create the state of Israel (1948 1), and now helps justify the present genocides in Palestine, & Iraq. It is the main source of Zionist power.1 Also, one of the main uses for the hoax is to maintain: 'Humans can be evil'. The Videos here are a good start.


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Check the link

http://whale.to/b/holocaust_revisionism.html

lightgiver
05-02-2012, 04:22 AM
Herzogenbusch concentration camp (Dutch: Kamp Vught, German: Konzentrationslager Herzogenbusch) was a Nazi concentration camp located in Vught near the city of 's-Hertogenbosch, in the Netherlands. Herzogenbusch was the only concentration camp run directly by the SS in western Europe outside of Germany. The camp was first used in 1943 and held 31,000 prisoners. 749 prisoners died in the camp, and the others were transferred to other camps shortly before the camp was liberated by the Allied Forces in 1944. After the war the camp was used as a prison for Germans. Today there is a visitors' center with exhibitions and a national monument remembering the camp and its victims.

Waffen SS first Dutch volunteers 1941 speech Mussert NSB WA translation east front - YouTube
http://youtu.be/Eq_1Xwtsm04

During World War II, Nazi Germany occupied the Netherlands (1940–1945). The Nazis transported Jewish and other prisoners from the Netherlands via the transit camps Amersfoort and Westerbork to concentration camps such as Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen.[citation needed] When Amersfoort and Westerbork appeared to be too small to handle the large amount of prisoners, the Schutzstaffel (SS) decided to build a concentration camp in Vught near the city of 's-Hertogenbosch.

The building of the camp at Herzogenbusch, the German name for 's-Hertogenbosch, started in 1942. The camp was modelled on concentration camps in Germany. The first prisoners, who arrived in 1943, had to finish the construction of the camp; it was used from January 1943 until September 1944. During this period, it held nearly 31,000 prisoners: Jews, political prisoners, resistance fighters, Gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, homeless people, black market traders, criminals, and hostages.

Due to hunger, sickness, and abuse, at least 749 men, women and children died there. Of these, 329 were murdered at an execution site just outside the camp. When allied forces were approaching Herzogenbusch, the camp was evacuated and the prisoners were transferred to concentration camps further east. When the camp was liberated in September 1944, by the 4th Canadian Armored Division and the 96th Battery of the 5th Anti-Tank Division, the camp was almost deserted.

In the first years after the war, the camp was used for the detention of Germans, Dutch SS men, alleged collaborators and their children, and war criminals.At first, they were guarded by allied soldiers, but shortly after by the Dutch.

On 2 June 1944 he and his family were transported by train to Auschwitz-Birkenau. David got the chance to throw a letter from the train. The family was later tranported to the Groß-Rosen camp .

Netherlands:Lieve vrienden, we zijn nu dicht bij de grens. Het is wel teleurstellend, maar we waren erop voorbereid en zijn vol vertrouwen. Ik denk veel aan jullie. (...) Ik heb alle brieven en foto's bij me. M'n liefste bezit. Wanneer zien we elkaar weer? Dat zal nu wel lang duren. Maar erdoor komen we. (...) Heel veel liefs jongens, bedankt voor alles. Tot ziens.

United Kingdom:'Dear friends, we are now close to the border. It is disappointing, but we were prepared and full of faith. I think a lot about you. (...) I have all my dearest possessions with me: my letters and photos. When will we see each other again? That will take a long time. But we shall survive. (...) Lots of love everyone, thanks for everything. Goodbye.

David's mother and brother Max survived the war, but David died during a transport of sick people to Dachau in 1945...

The execution site near the camp is now a national monument, with a wall bearing the names of all those who died there. The wall has suffered numerous acts of vandalism: Swastikas were drawn on the wall, using tar, which has seeped into the stone and is impossible to remove...

Herzogenbusch concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
06-02-2012, 02:48 PM
Nacht und Nebel, German for "Night and Fog" (a direct reference to a "Tarnhelm" spell, from Wagner's Rheingold) was a directive (German: Erlass) of Adolf Hitler on 7 December 1941 that was originally intended to winnow out all political activists and resistance 'helpers', “anyone endangering German security” (die deutsche Sicherheit gefährden) throughout Nazi Germany's occupied territories. Two months later Armed Forces High Command Feldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel expanded it to include all persons in occupied countries who had been taken into custody and were still alive eight days later. The decree was meant to intimidate local populations into submission by denying friends and families of the missing any knowledge of their whereabouts or their fate. The prisoners were secretly transported to Germany, vanishing without a trace. In 1945, the seized Sicherheitsdienst (SD) records were found to include merely names and the initials NN (Nacht und Nebel); even the sites of graves were unchronicled. To this day, it is not known how many thousands of people disappeared as a result of this order.

Even before the Holocaust gained momentum, the Nazis had begun rounding up political prisoners from both Germany and occupied Europe. Most of the early prisoners were of two sorts: they were either prisoners of personal conviction (belief), political prisoners whom the Nazis deemed in need of "re-education" to Nazi ideals, or resistance leaders in occupied western Europe. Up until the time of the "Night and Fog" decree, prisoners from Western Europe were handled by German soldiers in approximately the same way other countries did: according to national agreements and procedures such as the Geneva Convention. Hitler and his upper level staff, however, made a critical decision not to have to conform to what they considered unnecessary rules.

The Night and Fog prisoners were mostly from France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Norway. They were usually arrested in the middle of the night and quickly taken to prisons hundreds of miles away for questioning, eventually arriving at concentration camps such as Natzweiler or Gross-Rosen, if they survived. Until 30 April 1944, at least 6,639 persons were captured under the Nacht und Nebel orders. Some 340 of them may have been executed. The 1955 film Night and Fog uses the term to illustrate one aspect of the concentration camp system as it was transformed into a system of labour and death camps.


Nacht und Nebel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
07-02-2012, 06:58 PM
Kristallnacht- German pogrom of 1938 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/uine5MhOc0I

Die Kristallnacht, also known as die Reichskristallnacht (literally Imperial Crystal Night), die Pogromnacht and inEnglish known as the Night of Broken Glass, was a massive nationwide pogrom in Germany and Austria on the night of November 9 1938, (and into the early hours of the following day). It was directed at Jewish citizens throughout the country and was the beginning of the Holocaust.

The pretext for the attacks was the assassination of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by Herschel Grynszpan, a German-born Polish Jew in Paris, France. Kristallnacht was followed by further economic and political persecution of Jews, and is viewed by historians as part of Nazi Germany's broader racial policy, and the beginning of the Final Solution and the Holocaust...

In the 1920s, most German Jews were fully integrated into German society as German citizens. They served in the German army and navy and contributed to every field of German science, business and culture. Conditions for the Jews began to change after the appointment of Adolf Hitler (the leader of the Nazi group) as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933 and the assumption of power by Hitler after the Reichstag fire. From its inception, Hitler's regime moved quickly to introduce anti-Jewish policies. The 500,000 Jews in Germany, who accounted for only 0.76% of the overall population, were singled out by the Nazi propaganda machine as an enemy within who were responsible for Germany's defeat in the First World War and for her subsequent economic difficulties, such as the 1920s hyperinflation and Great Depression. Beginning in 1933, the German government enacted a series of anti-Jewish laws restricting the rights of German Jews to earn a living, to enjoy full citizenship and to educate themselves, including the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service, which forbade Jews to work in the civil service. The subsequent 1935 Nuremberg Laws stripped German Jews of their citizenship and forbade Jews to marry non-Jewish Germans.


http://history1900s.about.com/od/holocaust/a/Kristallnacht.htm

lightgiver
07-02-2012, 07:12 PM
Among those expelled was the family of Zindel and Rivka Grynszpan, Polish Jews who had emigrated to Germany in 1911 and settled in Hannover. At the trial of Adolf Eichmann in 1961, Zindel Grynszpan recounted the events of their deportation from Hannover on the night of 27 October 1938: “Then they took us in police trucks, in prisoners’ lorries, about 20 men in each truck, and they took us to the railway station. The streets were full of people shouting: ’Juden raus! Auf nach Palästina!’ ” ("Jews out, out to Palestine!").

Their seventeen-year-old son Herschel was living in Paris with an uncle. His sister, Berta, sent him a postcard from the Polish border describing the family's expulsion: "No one told us what was up, but we realised this was going to be the end… We haven't a penny. Could you send us something?"He received the postcard on November 3. On the morning of Monday, November 7, he purchased a revolver and a box of bullets, then went to the German embassy and asked to see an embassy official. After he was taken to the office of Ernst vom Rath, Herschel shot him three times in the abdomen. Ironically, Vom Rath himself was a professional diplomat with the Foreign Office who expressed known anti-Nazi sympathies, largely based on the Nazi's treatment of the Jews, and was himself under Gestapo investigation for being politically unreliable. Grynszpan made no attempt to escape the French police and freely confessed to the shooting. In his pocket, he carried a postcard to his parents with the message "May God forgive me… I must protest so that the whole world hears my protest, and that I will do."

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On 8 November Germany announced the first punitive measures in response to the shooting. Jewish newspapers and magazines were to cease publication immediately. This cut off Jews from their leadership, whose task was to advise and guide them, particularly about emigration. It was a measure, one British newspaper explained, "intended to disrupt the Jewish community and rob it of the last frail ties which hold it together." At the time three German Jewish newspapers had a national circulation, and there were four cultural papers, several sports papers, and several dozen community bulletins, of which the one in Berlin had a circulation of 40,000. The government announced that Jewish children could no longer attend German state elementary schools. All Jewish cultural activities were also suspended indefinitely. Their rights as citizens had been stripped.

After the killing there were claims that vom Rath was a homosexual, and that Grynszpan was intending to use this claim in his defence at the trial by implying that Rath had seduced him. Joseph Goebbels had been intending to turn the trial into Nazi propaganda about Jewish conspiracy, but the homosexuality accusations threatened to humiliate the Nazis. Goebbels wrote that "Grynszpan has invented the insolent argument that he had a homosexual relationship with... vom Rath. That is, of course, a shameless lie; however it is thought out very cleverly and would, if brought out in the course of a public trial, certainly become the main argument of enemy propaganda."

Whether or not Rath was homosexual is not known. His brother was convicted of homosexual offences and there were allegations that vom Rath was treated for rectal gonorrhoea at the Berlin Institute of Radiology. As a result of the potential embarrassment the trial was indefinitely postponed.

Grynszpan was returned to Germany after the defeat of France in 1940 and is believed to have died in a German prison or concentration camp in 1944 or early 1945.


Ernst vom Rath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

eternal_spirit
07-02-2012, 07:16 PM
Wikipedia System Of Control
Wikipedians (Jewish volunteers) will concentrate on a certain subject, and actively moderate any new replies. Once an individual edits an article, his ISP number is recorded, and he is assigned a sayanim that will monitor all his future writings.
Individual contributors are assigned a tracking page, and an open record of all writings. Through out the cycle the contributor this will be monitored by Hillel, ADL, SPLC, type control agents.


Dr. Fredrick Toben
Dr. Toben is German historian and scholar, that grew up in Australia, and runs the Adelaide Institue. He is noted for his investigation of the 'Jewish Holocaust'. Wikipedia contributors wrote a slanderous page on him, and when he went to refute it, the sayanims deleted all his comments.
Wikipedia's Stance
Toben is a monster, who associates with criminals, and himself was a convict

Theresienstadt
In 1941, Germany gave Jewish artists their own experimental town as prototype refuge, to protect Jews. Subsequently the Jews have altered history, and refer to it as a death camp.
When a 1943 documentary film was edited into Wikipedia's Theresienstadt page, the HillelWikipedians immediately deleted, saying it was propaganda and holocaust denial
Wikipedia's Stance
Theresienstadt was Nazi hellhole, where Jews were starved to death, and then sent on to Auschwitz.


Where Does Wikipedia Get It's Funds?
According to it's founder, James Wales, it lives on grants and small individual contributions.

What's The Real Story?
From all the available information, it appears Wikipedia was started by a two Jewish kids, one a programmer, and the other an 'Adult Site' operator. It's dynamic success (800,000 pages) stems from 10,000 + individual contributors, which are monitored by core sayanims.
Wikipedia's claim: ~ 'We are an internet encyclopedia with a neutral stance' ~ is absurd.
This project is an attempt to control student research on the Internet. Any subject Googled will show Wikipedia as one of the first entries. Type in the word Bolshevik, and the first entry is Wikipedia. Explore their version, and you won't be the slightest mention that the movement was a Jewish instigated bloodbath, that was responsible for 20,000,000 deaths.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11586

lightgiver
07-02-2012, 07:46 PM
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After 1945 some synagogues were restored. This one in Berlin features a plaque, reading "Never forget," a common expression around Berlin

Five handicapped Jewish prisoners who arrived in Buchenwald after Kristallnacht.
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Buchenwald concentration camp (German: Konzentrationslager (KZ) Buchenwald, ) was a German Nazi concentration camp established on the Ettersberg (Etter Mountain) near Weimar, Germany, in July 1937, one of the first and the largest of the concentration camps on German soil.

Well-known inmates....

Karl Mayr, Adolf Hitler's immediate superior in an Army Intelligence Division in the Reichswehr, 1919–1920; later becoming a political opponent.
Roy Allen, American B-17 Flying Fortress pilot
Phillip (Phil) J. Lamason, Squadron Leader, Royal New Zealand Air Force
Jean Améry, writer
Jack van der Geest, escapee
Robert Antelme, French writer
Jacob Avigdor, before World War II Chief Rabbi of Drohobych, after World War II Chief Rabbi of Mexico
Conrad Baars, psychiatrist
Bruno Bettelheim, child psychologist
Józef Biniszkiewicz, Polish socialist politician
Léon Blum, Jewish French politician, pre-war long term French Prime Minister, and again after the war
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Protestant theologian and prominent member of the Confessing Church
Rudolf Brazda, as of 2011 the last known surviving homosexual deported to the camps
Rudolf Breitscheid, former member of the SPD and leader of its faction in the Reichstag of the Weimar Republic before the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, died in the camp in 1944
Christopher Burney, British officer and Special Operations Executive operative, wrote about the savage infighting and struggle for power and privileges between the inmates at Buchenwald in The Dungeon Democracy
Robert Clary, French actor, Corporal Louis LeBeau on the Hogan's Heroes television series
René Cogny, French general
Fritz Czuczka, Austrian artist/architect
Seweryn Franciszek Czetwertyński-Światopełk, Polish politician
Édouard Daladier, French politician, former Head of the French government
Armand de Dampierre, French aristocrat, died in the camp on January 8, 1944
Marcel Dassault, French aviation entrepreneur who founded the Dassault Group
Laure Diebold, French resistant, Compagnon de la Libération
Willem Drees, Dutch politician, Prime Minister of the Netherlands from 1948 until 1958
Ernst Federn, Austrian social-psychologist
Bolesław Fichna, Polish right-wing politician and lawyer
Josef Frank (politician), Czech communist
August Froehlich, German Roman Catholic priest active in resistance movement against the National Socialism
Henry P. Glass, Austrian Architect and Industrial Designer, released in 1939, moved to U.S.
Albin Grau, film producer (Nosferatu, 1922)
Maurice Halbwachs French sociologist, died in the camp in 1945
Adolf Grunbaum, Austrian physician, released from camp 1939 and emigrated to US. Changed name to Arthur Grant.
Curt Herzstark inventor of the Curta calculator, hand-held, hand-cranked mechanical calculator
Heinrich Eduard Jacob, German writer
Paul-Emile Janson, Belgian politician, former Prime Minister of Belgium, died in the camp in 1944
Marian Filar Polish Jewish concert pianist and virtuoso. Played at Carnegie Hall After the war.
Léon Jouhaux, French trade unionist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate
Józef Kachel, Scout leader, head of the pre-war Polish Scouting Association in Germany
Imre Kertész writer, 2002 Nobel Prize in Literature recipient
Eugen Kogon, anti-Nazi activist, later Christian Socialist, professor, broadcaster and author of Der SS-Staat ("The SS state"), a significant piece of literature concerning the German concentration camps
Jan Łangowski, Polish social worker and politician active among the Polish diaspora in Germany
Yisrael Meir Lau (born 1937), Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel
Hermann Leopoldi, Austrian composer and entertainer
Parlindoengan Loebis, Indonesian physician and activist in the Netherlands
Fritz Löhner-Beda, Austrian lyricist
Artur London, senior Czech communist and writer, future government minister
Jacques Lusseyran, blind French memoirist and professor
Georges Mandel French politician, former Minister of the Interior, died in the camp in 1944
Henri Maspero, French Sinologist, pioneering scholar of Taoism, died in the camp in March 1945
Erik L. Mollo-Christensen, Emeritus Professor of Oceanography, MIT; former Associate Director of Earth Science, NASAtance
Andree Peel, Member of the French resistance
Harry Peulevé, an agent of the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) who managed to escape Buchenwald with F. F. E. Yeo-Thomas.
Henri Christiaan Pieck, Dutch painter and twin brother of Anton Pieck
Hélie de Saint Marc, member of the French resistance, later involved in the attempted Algiers putsch
H.R.H. The Princess Mafalda of Savoy, the daughter of King Vittorio Emanuele III of Italy and his Consort, Queen Elena, died in the camp in 1944.
Franciszek Myśliwiec, Polish politician and social worker
John H. Noble, American-born gulag survivor and author
Count Albert de Nadaillac, head of a French resistance organisation (ORA-Tours Angers Le Mans). He survived, but his younger brother, count Michel de Nadaillac, also involved in the resistance died in Dora.
Almeric Lombard de Buffiers de Rambuteau, French aristocrat, died in the camp on December 14, 1944
Paul Rassinier, considered the father of Holocaust denial
Jakob Rosenfeld, minister of health under Mao
Baron Otto of Schmidburg, minor German noble, died in the camp on July 23, 1941
Herbert Sandberg, artist, designer, publisher of Ulenspiegel
Etta Sapon, Italian, Dramatic actress
Paul Schneider, German pastor, died in the camp in 1939
Jorge Semprún, Spanish intellectual and politician and culture minister of Spain (1988–91)
Jura Soyfer, Austrian poet and dramatist, died in the camp in 1939
Ernst Thälmann, leader of the Communist Party of Germany, died in the camp in April 1944
William Arthur Waldram, Canadian Lancaster tail gunner, General Motors executive
Fred Wander, Austrian writer
Ernst Wiechert, German writer
Elie Wiesel, Romanian Jewish French-American writer, 1986 Nobel Peace Prize recipient
F. F. E. Yeo-Thomas, Royal Air Force Wing Commander and British Special Operations Executive (SOE) agent, codenamed "The White Rabbit". Returned to England in 1945
Petr Zenkl, Czech national socialist politician
Walter Gutheim, German business man who migrated to America after the war.

Bodies of Buchenwald prisoners, April 1945
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Buchenwald concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
09-02-2012, 10:20 PM
Hitler and the Occult (1/5) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/Y55rG19fdYo


Hitler appropriated Christian religious symbols such as the Spear of Destiny and the Holy Grail for his own purposes. He adopted the swastika from Hinduism among many other Sanskrit terms and symbols. The symbol of the Swastika represents the Sun, and also the Wheel of Life turning. The original symbol turns clockwise. The four arms of the original Swastika represent the Four Vedas. The swastika is also the symbol for peace and harmony, as in Buddhism, Jainism and Taoism. It decorates most Hindu homes and temples. Adolf Hitler's rise was the product of forces and events connecting him, his associates and the occult. Was Hitler influenced by supernatural ideas or was he just the embodiment of pure hate and evil? Examine the importance of symbols of the occult, religion and astrology to Hitler's concept of world domination.

The swastika was used for badges and flags throughout Nazi Germany, particularly for government and military organizations, but also for "popular" organizations such as the Reichsbund Deutsche Jägerschaft (German Hunting Society).

While the DAP and the NSDAP had used both right-facing and left-facing swastikas, the right-facing swastika was used consistently from 1920 onwards. However, Ralf Stelter notes that the swastika flag used on land had a right-facing swastika on both sides, while the ensign (naval flag) had it printed through so that a left-facing swastika would be seen when looking at the ensign with the flagpole to the right.

Several variants are found...

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a 45° black swastika on a white disc as in the NSDAP and national flags;

a 45° black swastika on a white lozenge (e.g., Hitler Youth);

a 45° black swastika with a white outline was painted on the tail of aircraft of the Luftwaffe, and usually using a design based on a 25-small-square subdivided square template (width of "strokes" in each of its arms, equalling the width of the space between the strokes);

a 45° black swastika outlined by thin white and black lines on a white disc (e.g., the German War Ensign);

an upright black swastika outlined by thin white and black lines on a white disc (e.g., Personal standard of Adolf Hitler in which a gold wreath encircles the swastika; the Schutzstaffel; and the Reichsdienstflagge, in which a black circle encircles the swastika);

small gold, silver, black, or white 45° swastikas, often lying on or being held by an eagle, on many badges and flags.

Divisional insignia of 11.SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier-Division Nordland

a swastika with curved outer arms forming a broken circle, as worn by the SS Nordland Division.

There were attempts to amalgamate Nazi and Hindu use of the swastika, notably by the French writer Savitri Devi who declared Hitler an Avatar of Vishnu...


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lightgiver
10-02-2012, 01:37 AM
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Review

A very readable and useful study, written with the engaged sympathy of an insider and the balanced judgments of a fine historian. -- Kirkus Reviews

If the middle section of interviews seems redundant, it is only because Brenner has covered the material so well and so succinctly elsewhere [in the book]. -- Publishers Weekly

The history that Brenner deftly recounts confounds any urge to extract simple lessons from the Holocaust or its aftermath.... Brenner has instead provided something more fragile and more valuable, a reminder that the way people reassemble their lives after tragedy is miraculously complicated. -- Noah J. Efron, The Boston Book Review

Description...

This landmark book is the first comprehensive account of the lives of the Jews who remained in Germany immediately following the war. Gathering never-before-published eyewitness accounts from Holocaust survivors, Michael Brenner presents a remarkable history of this period. While much has been written on the Holocaust itself, until now little has been known about the fate of those survivors who remained in Germany. Jews emerging from concentration camps would learn that most of their families had been murdered and their communities destroyed. Furthermore, all Jews in the country would face the stigma of living, as a 1948 resolution of the World Jewish Congress termed it, on "bloodsoaked German soil." Brenner brings to life the psychological, spiritual, and material obstacles they surmounted as they rebuilt their lives in Germany. At the heart of his narrative is a series of fifteen interviews Brenner conducted with some of the most important witnesses who played an active role in the reconstruction--including presidents of Jewish communities, rabbis, and journalists.

Based on the Yiddish and German press and unpublished archival material, the first part of this book provides a historical introduction to this fascinating topic. Here the author analyzes such diverse aspects as liberation from concentration camps, cultural and religious life among the Jewish Displaced Persons, antisemitism and philosemitism in post-war Germany, and the complex relationship between East European and German Jews. A second part consists of the fifteen interviews, conducted by Brenner, with witnesses representing the diverse background of the postwar Jewish community. While most of them were camp survivors, others returned from exile or came to Germany as soldiers of the Jewish Brigade or with international Jewish aid organizations. A third part, which covers the development of the Jewish community in Germany from the 1950s until today, concludes the book.

lightgiver
11-02-2012, 01:36 AM
I did not want to really post this...but sometimes you have to sink to the bottom of the barrel to really expose nazi atrocities...sorry about this.

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The Schutzstaffel translated to Protection Squadron or defence corps, abbreviated SS—or Runic "ᛋᛋ" with stylized "Armanen" Sig runes) was a major paramilitary organization under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. Built upon the Nazi ideology, the SS under Heinrich Himmler's command was responsible for many of the crimes against humanity during World War II (1939–1945). After 1945, the SS was banned in Germany, along with the Nazi Party, as a criminal organization.

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The origin of the SS came from a small permanent guard unit made up of NSDAP volunteers to provide security for Nazi Party meetings in Munich. Formed at the end of 1920, they were known as the "Saal-Schutz" (Hall-Protection). Later under the leadership of Heinrich Himmler between 1929 and 1945, the SS was renamed the "Schutz-Staffel" and grew from a small paramilitary formation to one of the largest and most powerful organizations in the Third Reich

lightgiver
11-02-2012, 06:19 AM
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An Australian POW captured in New Guinea, Sgt. Leonard Siffleet, about to be beheaded by the Japanese with a shin guntō sword, 1943.

In February 1943, university students Hans Scholl, his sister Sophie Scholl, and Christoph Probst of the White Rose protest movement, for distributing anti-war and anti-Nazi leaflets. Four other members of the White Rose were also executed by the Nazi People's Court later that same year. The anti-Nazi Helmuth Hübener was also decapitated by People’s Court order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKOCmBXrVY8&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/SKOCmBXrVY8

lightgiver
13-02-2012, 07:30 PM
sometimes you have to sink to the bottom of the barrel to really expose nazi atrocities...believe you me I do not enjoy posting this stuff...

so what if there are different people watching, different events on the same day.....all people have to do, is to do the research themselves.

Beheadings were nothing new in nazi germany just like they are nothing new to the radical extremists that we have around today...

One of the founders of an anti-Hitler movement in wartime Germany has been declared a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church 69 years after he was beheaded by the Nazis.

The Schutzstaffel, abbreviated SS was a major Nazi military organization under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. The SS grew from a small paramilitary unit to an elite force that served as the Führer's "Praetorian Guard," the Nazi Party's "Shield Squadron" and a force with as much political influence as the regular German armed forces. Built upon the Nazi racial ideology, the SS, under Heinrich Himmler's command, was primarily responsible for the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Nazis during the Second World War.

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On October 3, 1939 less than a week after the signing of treaty of friendship between Hitler and Stalin on September 28, the NKVD started to select prominent Polish prisoners of war for the purpose of mass execution, which took place in the Spring of 1940 at the time when the Soviets organized mass deportation of the Poles to Kazakstan and other localities. During the 20-month of Hitler-Stalin partnership the Soviets deported some 1,700,000 people from Poland, mostly Catholics, of whom 900,000 were dead by October 1, 1942 including nearly 22,000 Polish army and police officers and civil servants executed in Katyn, Tver and Miednoye as well as in many Soviet prisons.

http://polishnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1407:katyn-tragedy-holocaust-vs-beheading-of-the-polish-nation&catid=93:historiapolish-history&Itemid=329

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f10/nazi-ss-work-beheading-axe-24383/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9064139/Declared-a-saint-the-anti-Hitler-activist-beheaded-by-Nazis-at-age-25.html

antiarchonist
15-02-2012, 11:21 PM
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/myPictures/Hitler_w_Blondi_500.jpg
Hitler loved his dog

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/20/article-1244754-0392A69D0000044D-680_468x449.jpg
Hitler loved kids

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Hitler loved Disney animation, had a persoanl copy of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, and drew the above Disney characters himself.

Here is the difference between my photos and the ones lightgiver posted. My descriptions are accurate. He did love dogs and kids, he did love Disney animation and Snow White, and he did draw the above Disney characters. He was an artist.

We're told this man was the biggest monster the world has ever seen. Well he couldn't have been a psychopath, so I have my doubts. Psychopaths are predominantly if not exclusively left-brained. They might be good at math and science, but when it comes to creativity and art they can't do it. This is a fact. So Hitler was obviously using the right-side of his brain. Psychopaths might fake liking animals and kids, but he genuinely loved his dog and many sources say he liked kids.

Hitler needs to be humanized and this Nazi atrocity nonsense needs to be re-visited because there is not only reason to doubt most of it, but NATO/US aren't any more 'moral' today. I don't care if Nazis cut off somebody's head with an axe. What is the context? Maybe he deserved it. What does the Japanese have to do with Nazis?

Lightgiver you really are a spammer. You're like that mom who mass forwards photos with outrageous and incorrect descriptions that are debunked in snopes. Except you do it hardcore.

The truth is that this is a propaganda farm's oldest tricks. Try to go for people's emotions with shock value. Highly suggestible people fall for it. Like when you posted photos of a holocaust tattoo. You're banking on a conditioned sucker getting emotional about it. I know that because the tattoo accompanies many holocaust articles. There is probably a guide that says "use photos of tattoos, works like a charm! They fall for it!"

Thing is I can go get a holocaust tattoo right now, dye my hair gray, and say to Germany "plx give me monies" like all the impostors receiving reparations in Israel today.

lightgiver
16-02-2012, 01:17 PM
The Wöbbelin camp, near the city of Ludwigslust, was a subcamp of the Neuengamme concentration camp. The SS had established Wöbbelin to house concentration camp prisoners whom the SS had evacuated from other camps to prevent their liberation by the Allies. At its height, Wöbbelin held some 5,000 inmates, most of whom were suffering from starvation and disease. The camp was freed on May 2, 1945...

Citizens of Ludwigslust inspect the concentration camp under orders of the 82nd Airborne Division...
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On May 7, 1945, the 82nd Airborne Division conducted funeral services for 200 inmates in the town of Ludwigslust. Attending the ceremony were citizens of Ludwigslust, captured German officers, and several hundred members of the airborne division. The U.S. Army chaplain at the service delivered a eulogy stating that:


"The crimes here committed in the name of the German people and by their acquiescence were minor compared to those to be found in concentration camps elsewhere in Germany. Here there were no gas chambers, no crematoria; these men of Holland, Russia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and France were simply allowed to starve to death. Within four miles of your comfortable homes 4,000 men were forced to live like animals, deprived even of the food you would give to your dogs. In three weeks 1,000 of these men were starved to death; 800 of them were buried in pits in the nearby woods. These 200 who lie before us in these graves were found piled four and five feet high in one building and lying with the sick and dying in other buildings."

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In accordance with a policy mandated by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, the U.S. Army in Ludwigslust ordered "all atrocity victims to be buried in a public place" with crosses placed at the graves of Christians and Stars of David on the Jewish graves, along with a stone monument to commemorate the dead.

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Wöbbelin concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hadaka_jimmy
16-02-2012, 08:42 PM
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/myPictures/Hitler_w_Blondi_500.jpg
Hitler loved his dog

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/20/article-1244754-0392A69D0000044D-680_468x449.jpg
Hitler loved kids

http://itstrulyrandom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/hitlerar.jpg
Hitler loved Disney animation, had a persoanl copy of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, and drew the above Disney characters himself.

Here is the difference between my photos and the ones lightgiver posted. My descriptions are accurate. He did love dogs and kids, he did love Disney animation and Snow White, and he did draw the above Disney characters. He was an artist.

We're told this man was the biggest monster the world has ever seen. Well he couldn't have been a psychopath, so I have my doubts. Psychopaths are predominantly if not exclusively left-brained. They might be good at math and science, but when it comes to creativity and art they can't do it. This is a fact. So Hitler was obviously using the right-side of his brain. Psychopaths might fake liking animals and kids, but he genuinely loved his dog and many sources say he liked kids.

Hitler needs to be humanized and this Nazi atrocity nonsense needs to be re-visited because there is not only reason to doubt most of it, but NATO/US aren't any more 'moral' today. I don't care if Nazis cut off somebody's head with an axe. What is the context? Maybe he deserved it. What does the Japanese have to do with Nazis?



Hitler was an animal lover and vegetarian, he, Hess and Himmler were for ethical reasons.

humanspirit
16-02-2012, 09:41 PM
Does anybody know if baby's were born in these camps.

The camps were up and running for at least 3-4 years.

Women must have got pregnant surely?

They must have had parts of the camps for giving birth and looking after the newborn?

Why do i get the feeling baby's wern't born there.

tinyint
16-02-2012, 09:51 PM
Does anybody know if babies were born in these camps.

The camps were up and running for at least 3-4 years.

Women must have got pregnant surely?

They must have had parts of the camps for giving birth and looking after the newborn?

Why do i get the feeling babies wern't born there.

Babies were born, its documented evidence available.

Eg the Auschwitz so called "death records"(Totenbücher) which appeared again after the fall of SU.

There was even a diet plan, which authoritatively stated how much food the prisoners were supplied. Note it was war time and ordinary Germans didn't have themselves much to eat.
As you know, the Germans have always been ridiculous bureucracy fanatics, its all documented, but partly still classified.

Just have a look for birth & deaths and you will find answers.

lightgiver
16-02-2012, 09:55 PM
Helga Weissova-Hoskova, a survivor from Prague, was recalling one of the Nazis' last acts. In April 1945, aged 14, she was being shunted on a train with several hundred women to the death camp of Mauthausen in Austria.

One woman tried to hide the child that had been born just before she boarded. Four others were close to giving birth. All knew that arriving in a camp with a baby almost certainly meant death.

But as Mrs Weissova-Hoskova retold those events in London's Wigmore Hall on Saturday, there was an interruption from the audience. A woman sprang out of her seat and announced, to
the astonishment of all, "I was one of those babies."

Eva Clarke, 65, from Cambridge, was born on April 29, just after the train reached its destination. Her mother, Anna Bergman, is today 93 years old, and lives in Cardiff. "It was just stunning," Mrs Clarke said after her revelation. "It really was a moment."

Her father was killed just a week before the liberation

Mrs Weissova-Hoskova said: "It was a surprise for all of us. I didn't know she was alive."

The two women had come for a commemoration, sponsored by the JC and organised by the Nash Ensemble, of the remarkable music and art of the Theresienstadt concentration camp. They had never met before.

Mrs Weissova-Hoskova, now a celebrated artist aged 80, entered Theresienstadt when she was 12 years old and drew her experiences while she was there. She was one of fewer than 100 children, out of 15,000, who went there and survived.

"There were two reasons why we survived," said Mrs Clarke. "The Germans had blown up the gas chambers at Mauthausen the day before, trying to conceal the evidence. And, three days after my birth, the American army liberated the camp."

Her parents, Anna and Bernd Bergman, were deported from Prague in 1941 and spent three years in Theresienstadt. Although the sexes were segregated, they had a son there, George, who died of pneumonia after only two months.

When her husband was sent to Auschwitz, Mrs Bergman volunteered to follow him. "Being the eternal optimist, she thought after having survived for three years, things couldn't get worse," Mrs Clarke said.

But after ten days, Mrs Bergman was sent to the slave labour camp in Freiburg, near Dresden. She never saw her husband again - he was killed a week before liberation - and he never knew she was pregnant again.

In Freiburg, Mrs Bergman took heart from the Allied bombing raids on Dresden - in fact, the RAF crews included Eva's future father-in-law, whose bombs could have "easily killed her".

After around six months, she was moved again. "The train consisted not of cattle-trucks, but open-air coaltrucks," Mrs Clarke said. "Conditions were filthy. She was on the train for three solid weeks. During the nightmare of the journey, the train was stopped in the middle of the countryside and the dead bodies thrown out."

Her mother, now nine months' pregnant, weighed just five stone. A passing farmer was so appalled by what he saw that he brought her a glass of milk.

"There was a Nazi officer standing next to her and he had a whip, and he raised his whip to shoulder height as if to beat my mother if she accepted the glass of milk - but he didn't," Mrs Clarke said. "He just lowered his arm and didn't say anything. He let her have the milk. She wondered if that saved her life."

But when her mother saw the name Mauthausen at the station, "she was so shocked she thinks that provoked her labour. She had to climb off the train onto a cart because some of the prisoners were not strong enough to walk up the hill, and she proceeded to give birth to me. A Nazi officer saw she was in labour and said to her, 'Carry on screaming.'

"She was screaming because she thought it was her very last minute on this earth. I didn't move, I didn't breathe. Incredibly, the Germans allowed a doctor - who was also a prisoner - to come to my mother. He cut the umbilical cord and smacked me to make me cry.

"But no doctor has been able to explain how, when I was born, my mother had milk. Three weeks later when we came back to Prague, that milk had disappeared."

Mrs Clarke now speaks regularly about the Holocaust in schools. Two of the other train babies survived and now live in the United States. The three made contact earlier this year and attended the 65th anniversary of the liberation of Mauthausen.

She reflected: "My mother says if I were not the living proof, she would begin to doubt it herself."

http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/33403/the-baby-born-nazi-camp-train

antiarchonist
16-02-2012, 10:57 PM
What did they do to the babies? Let the prisoners have them? Gas them? Perform medical experiments on them?

I thought for years that kids under a certain age (I've read anywhere from 3 to 13) were 'exterminated'. Is that not the case? I guess the narrative continues to evolve, especially as evidence is de-classified.

And I like how the narrative is ever evolving. That's a clue that something is wrong. Check this out:

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Opinion/Article.aspx?id=257917

Nearly 70 years after the massacre of more than 27,000 Jews in Rostov, on the banks of the River Don, the Russian Ministry of Culture has announced it will replace the plaque adorning the monument to the dead. But once the text of the new inscription was revealed, it became clear that this was not merely an exhibition of the low level official’s love of new unveilings and plaque dedications. Rather it was another attempt by a European state to revise the history of the Holocaust and remove the stain of genocide from the national consciousness.

The original plaque recorded the event soberly and factually as follows: “On 11/12 August 1942 there had been destroyed by the Nazis more than 27,000 Jews. It is Russia’s largest Holocaust memorial”.

The new inscription immediately smacks of the sort of flowery, bloated language of patriotism more in tune with Stalin’s Russia than with a modern state. And it foreshadowed a return to the sort of euphemisms and terms of convenience rather than truth which were a feature of the old rule – and are increasingly becoming a feature of the new.

The amendment to the text was not merely an exercise in semantics.

Firstly, the victims of the massacre were no longer Jews, rather, “peace-loving Soviet citizens of all nationalities”.

Gone too is any reference to the Holocaust. Now the massacre is described as having occurred in the context of The Great Patriotic War.

What a dick. National consciousness? This is proof that people like this absolutely want to make future generations feel guilty for something that happened before they were born. It wouldn't surprise me if the Iraq war was revenge for Babylonian captivity. That's how these people think.

This article is written by a selfish person who is mad that Russia is doing a little historical revisionism and is making it less Judeo-centric.

See, the anomaly of the holocaust is that it is a unique and exclusively Jewish event. The non-Jewish victims are rarely mentioned, and when they are they are mentioned as footnotes.

I don't know about you, but growing up in public school they never made any distinction between a "death camp" and a "concentration camp" and it was taught, if not right in the pages of the history books used, that 6 million Jews were exterminated. In gas chambers. In death camps. Nobody ever said anything about death due to warfare and air raids. They said extermination and gas chambers.

Of course the holocaust narrative wants people to believe that Jewish areas like ghettos were deliberately targeted. Yet in another place you hear that Poles and Slavic people were deliberately targeted which makes more sense because they didn't like Slavic people and they were at war with Poland. They didn't like Jews either, but the Jews happened to be Slavic and Polish.

Again, this was a war. Nobody calls the nukes dropped on Japan "extermination" despite the fact that Japanese people were deliberately targeted. Nagasaki had a lot of indigenous Ainu people (whose ancestors are likely the Annunaki and possibly even Quetzalcoatl and other Meso-American 'gods'... the infamous reptile statue has always looked pretty Asian to me). Do the Ainu say that they were exterminated in WWII?

The collective concentration camps didn't have majority Jewish prisoners, but we are told the extermination camps did even though there is little evidence that the temporary camps (which are memorials today) even existed. The temp camps were tiny, I don't see how they could've had so many prisoners as they claimed died. When they made the memorials, no evidence of mass graves or bodies was discovered either.

Anyways, what I'm saying is the Holocaust delieberately demotes non-Jews because it only refers to the Jews. It is a selfish event. It is not unique by itself. The holocaust is something like 2.5 million gassed Jews plus 3.5 million misc. dead Jews, 'exterminated' via different methods (including starvation). Poland claims that almost six million Poles were killed as a result of warfare, half of who were Jews and mostly not in any sort of camps. The claimed 3 million or so non-Jewish Poles are excluded from the holocaust. The holocaust only mentions them if they were in camps. Thus you see the anamoly and distortion of the holocaust narrative. Because Jews not in camps are included. Non-Jews not so much.

Other than the fact that the Jewish death toll is highly exagerrated and not backed up by any physical evidence (no bodies or ash piles, no complete list of names or identities, in other words no rational way to prove they even existed), the holocaust narrative passes itself off as unqiue and Jewish. Jews suffered the most. That's what they say. This Jpost article pretty much proves my point. The guy is getting all upset over the fact that the Jews are 'demoted' and the memorial is now dedicated to all. "Oy Vey! How dare ze memorialize ze goyim who perished! Ze Jews suffered more! Zees iz an outrage!"

When you disect even the propaganda passed off as 'history' and 'fact' you realize that there is nothing uniquely Jewish about it. It was a war, a lot of people died. These stories about Jewish being deliberately targeted don't make a whole lot of sense. If Poles are deliberately targeted, I doubt they said "let's air-bomb the Jewish areas first.. we hate them more".

The 'death camp' death tolls for the camps that weren't liberated are based on prisoner totals. A 100% extermination rate is assumed, as is a majority-Jewish amount of prisoners. There is no good evidence that supports that these places existed the way we are led to believe, no good evidence how many prisoners were encamped, and no proof whatsoever that all were killed or that most were Jewish.

The Holocaust itself acknowledges that more non-Jews may have died than the Jews, with specifically high estimates for Romani and Poles. But hey, more Jews died then them. Screw the non-Jews! Jews suffered the most! Armenian genocide? You call that a genocide? Call us back at 6 million.

These estimates mostly do not include the people who died as a result of warfare.... unless they were Jews. It's only unique because it's been made unique. You can spin numbers any way you like. In this case they are likely exagerrating and spinning the numbers into an illusion that Jews suffered the most, unqiuely. This is not true, it's just number spinning. You could make the same argument with Poles and make a unqiue Poleocaust if you want. The fact that Poland has not stooped to such a level of doing just that is commendable.

They could have an industry of their own, generating sympathy along with billions of dollars. The Poleocaust. Those Nazi monsters delieberately targeted Poles. They invaded Poland! They exterminated millions of Poles in camps and in warfare. This is a unique event in history, a uniquely Polish event. Because Poles were specifically targeted. The Poleocaust can go for an even higher score by including the Jews, but not mentioning that they were Jewish. Just that they were Poles.

That's actually not a bad idea, I have Polish ancestry. I should create such an industry for commercial gain. Create Poleocaust museums all over the world, label people who make Polish jokes or hate Poles as anti-SKImetic. Borrow holohoax elements as our own because they overlap. Tell the holohoax industry that we are not at odd with them because we acknowledge the suffering of the Polish Jews. If they argue, then they are anti-skimetic Poleocaust deniers.

hadaka_jimmy
17-02-2012, 11:30 AM
The story of Anka Bergman, who gave birth to her baby daughter Eva in a Nazi concentration camp. During her pregnancy, Anka witnessed the horrors of Auschwitz and endured six months of forced labour. If the Nazis found a woman was pregnant, she could be sent straight to the gas chambers. Amazingly, Anka's pregnancy went unnoticed for months. Anka eventually gave birth - on the day she arrived at an extermination camp. Anka weighed just five stone and was on the brink of starvation; baby Eva weighed just three pounds. Remarkably, both mother and daughter survived, and are living in Cambridge.

Amazing remarkable!

Bullshit lies.

humanspirit
17-02-2012, 12:28 PM
So what do neo nazis and nazi fans think the camps were for then?

What was the long term plan for the inhabitants of these places?

Death is my conclusion either in the short term or long term,but definitely death with no procreation.

tinyint
17-02-2012, 12:38 PM
So what do neo nazis and nazi fans think the camps were for then?


I am neither of your labels, but I feel qualified to answer nonetheless.

Work camps, comparable with US boot camps, minus the ridiculous shouting of some supervising morons. Some were transit camps for jews according to Haavara agreement but stopped due to british warmongering.


What was the long term plan for the inhabitants of these places?
.

To expel the jews, and to rid Germany of the red communist terrorist plague, corruption, starvation due to Versailles dictate and humiliation.



Death is my conclusion either in the short term or long term,but definitely death with no procreation.

Everybody dies at some point in time.
See above for answer.

Feel free to ask more questions.

hadaka_jimmy
17-02-2012, 12:38 PM
So what do neo nazis and nazi fans think the camps were for then?

What was the long term plan for the inhabitants of these places?

Death is my conclusion either in the short term or long term,but definitely death with no procreation.

Why do you think they were there?

Pretty shit extermination camps when so many 'miraculous' and 'remarkable' Jews survived. Why did they not just shoot them?

tinyint
17-02-2012, 12:41 PM
Why do you think they were there?

Pretty shit extermination camps when so many 'miraculous' and 'remarkable' Jews survived. Why did they not just shoot them?

Its a question the believers are not prepared to consider.

Given the red torrists stated more than once, the best method to silence people would be a bullet, its pretty ridiculous to assume the Germans chose such an ineffective and expensive murder weapon. They had large amounts of unused Sarin, Soman and Tabun in store, designed to kill people in a matter of miliseconds. Even wikipedia tell us this.
That said, execution by gas is a traditional US american method for execution. European nations have never had gassings in their programme. Never.

lightgiver
17-02-2012, 03:23 PM
Does anybody know if baby's were born in these camps.

The camps were up and running for at least 3-4 years.

Women must have got pregnant surely?

They must have had parts of the camps for giving birth and looking after the newborn?

Why do i get the feeling baby's wern't born there.

Two babies born side-by-side in Nazi camp are reunited 67 years later

Two babies born side-by-side in a German prisoner of war camp have been reunited, 67 years after they were liberated by Allied troops.

Michael Maranian and Franklin Geller, both 67, were born in adjacent hospital beds in an internment camp in Vittel, France, less than two months before D-Day.

The two babies spent six months growing up together but were separated when their mothers Angela Maranian and Stella Geller were liberated by Allied forces.

The newlyweds were split up for nine months when Maurice was taken to a camp in Tost, Germany, and Angela, a seamstress, to Liebenau, in Germany.

But they reunited in Vittel where Angela fell pregnant and gave birth to Micheal and his twin sister Margaret on April 17, 1944.

Franklin's Jewish father Conrad was transported to Auschwitz, Poland, where he died, but his pregnant mother Stella was sent to Vittel after giving the Nazis false papers.

Stella became firm friends with Angela in the POW camp's hospital and she gave birth to Franklin on April 21 1944.

The two boys were inseparable as babies but they were split when the families were liberated in September 1944 by British and American forces.

However, they have now been reunited 67 years later after British historian James Fox, 76, who studies the Vittel camp, spotted their names in press cuttings.

Michael, whose sister died from cancer aged 46, worked for 35 years for electrical company Phillips before retiring and settling near Cambridge with wife Jacqui, 64.

The couple have one daughter Melanie, 35.

Franklin was orphaned aged 11 when grieving Stella committed suicide and became a silk export manager in Lyon, France, where he lives with his wife France, 64.

The couple have two children Olivier, 37, who is a lawyer, and Anne, 43, a vet.

Michael said: 'Jimmy Fox is an amazing individual. We would never have found each other without him.'

The baby born in a concentration camp Part 1 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/HLVhVJrDEmg

The story of Anka Bergman, who gave birth to her baby daughter Eva in a Nazi concentration camp. During her pregnancy, Anka witnessed the horrors of Auschwitz and endured six months of forced labour. If the Nazis found a woman was pregnant, she could be sent straight to the gas chambers. Amazingly, Anka's pregnancy went unnoticed for months. Anka eventually gave birth - on the day she arrived at an extermination camp. Anka weighed just five stone and was on the brink of starvation; baby Eva weighed just three pounds. Remarkably, both mother and daughter survived, and are living in Cambridge.

The baby born in a concentration camp Part 2 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/SzJnXpeurAE


She reflected: "My mother says if I were not the living proof, she would begin to doubt it herself."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045904/Two-babies-born-side-Nazi-camp-reunited-67-years-later.html

lightgiver
11-03-2012, 04:31 AM
Eduard Roschmann alias "F(r)ederico Wagner" (or "Wegener") (b. 25 Nov. 1908, Graz, Austria; d. 8 Aug. 1977, Asunción, Paraguay) was a member of the Nazi SS organization. He was commandant of the Riga ghetto from January 1943 until the ghetto was closed in the fall of that year. He was responsible for numerous murders and other atrocities. As a result of a fictionalized portrayal of Roschmann in a novel by Frederick Forsyth, and a subsequent movie in which Maximilian Schell acted out the said fictionalized depiction of him, Roschmann came to be known as the "Butcher of Riga"

http://youtu.be/nBdHs9rR_dE

Roschmann was born on November 25, 1908, in Graz-Eggenberg, in Austria.

Roschmann was once a lawyer in Graz, Austria. He was the son of a brewery manager. He was reputed to have come from the Styria region of Austria, from a good family. From 1927 to 1934 Roschmann was a member of the Fatherland's Front, which in turn was part of the Austrian home guard ("Heimatschutz"). From 1927 to 1934 Roschmann was associated with an organization called the "Steyr Homeland Protection Force." Roschmann spent six semesters at a university.In 1931 he was a brewery employee. In 1935 he joined the civil service. In 1938 he joined the Nazi party. In 1939 he joined the SS. In January 1941 he was assigned to the Security Police...

Starting from January 1941 Roschmann worked in at the Central Reich Security Office, or RSHA (Reichssicherheitshauptamt). Within RSHA, Roschmann worked in the Security Service, or SD (Sicherheitsdienst). Later, he worked in SD department IV, Gestapo with the commander of the security police and SD (Kommander der Sicherheitsdienst und SD, or KdS) in Latvia.

Within the SS Roschmann was assigned to the Security Service (Sicherheitsdienst), often referred to by its German initials SD. Following the German occupation of Latvia in World War II, the SD established a presence in Latvia with the objective of killing all the Jews in the country. To this end, the SD established the Riga ghetto.

Participation in Dünamünde Action...

In March 1942, the German authorities in charge of the Riga ghetto and the nearby Jungfernhof concentration camp murdered about 3,740 German, Austrian, and Czech Jews who had been deported to Latvia. The victims were mostly the elderly, the sick and infirm, and children. These people were tricked into believing they would be transported to a new and better camp facility at an area near Riga called Dünamünde. In fact no such facility existed, and the intent was to transport the victims to mass graves in the woods north of Riga and shoot them.

According to a survivor, Edith Wolff, Roschmann was one of a group of SS men who selected the persons for "transport" to Dünamünde. (Others in the selection group included Rudolf Lange, Kurt Krause, Max Gymnich, Kurt R. Migge, Richard Nickel and Rudolf Seck.) Wolff stated that only the "prominent people" made selections, and she was not sure whether Migge, Seck, or Nickel had picked anyone.

Appointment as ghetto commandant

Starting in January 1943, Roschmann become commandant of the Riga ghetto. His immediate predecessor was Kurt Krause. Survivors described Krause as "sadistic", "bloody" "monster" and "psychopath". Roschmann's methods differed from those of Krause. Unlike Krause, Roschmann did not execute offenders on the spot, but in most cases sent them to Riga's Central Prison. Whether this was a matter of having qualms about murder is not certain. Being sent to the prison was likely to be at best only a brief reprieve, as conditions there were brutal.

Deportation from Vienna to Ghetto Riga in January 1942. Testimony of Leah Lapkin.
http://youtu.be/3ZUhOmr3ET4

Murders and other crimes

Historians Angrick and Klein state that in addition to the mass killings the Holocaust in Latvia also consisted of a great number of individual murders

... the reading provided by witness accounts ... makes it clear that the genocide in occupied Riga consisted of an enormous number of individual murders in addition to the large-scale operations. The image of the Holocaust in Latvia conveyed in these reports is not that of a gigantic impersonal killing machine, even if the plans for shooting the Jews of Riga in winter 1941 conjure up a process of mass murder based on division of labor. The overall pattern in these accounts is dominated by individual murders committed out of a desire to kill, punish, or deter.

Actions outside of the ghetto

Roschmann was later transferred to the Lenta work camp, a forced-labor facility in the Riga area where Jews were housed at the workplace. Originally the Lenta facility had been located on Liela Maskavas street in Riga and had been known as the "Gestapo" work detail. Lenta was considered a favored work assignment. The original German commandant, one Scherwitz, had determined to make a lot of money involving the work of highly skilled Jews in the tailoring trade. Scherwitz made efforts to protect Jews in the Lenta work detail. This changed when Roschmann became the Lenta commandant. According to Kaufmann:

Under the rule of this Commander Roschmann the camp's inmates experienced especially difficult times. This was why various inmates * * * escaped to Dobele in Kurzeme. * * * As a collective punishment, the lovely gray suits were striped with white oil paint, the men had a stripe shaved down the middle of their heads, and the women all had their hair cut off. Others were arrested, sent to prison, and murdered there.

Roschmann participated in the efforts of Sonderkommando 1005 to conceal the evidence of the Nazi crimes in Latvia by exhuming and burning the bodies of the victims of the numerous mass shootings in the Riga area. In the fall of 1943, Roschmann was made the chief of Kommando Stützpunkt, a work detail of prisoners which was given the task of digging up and burning the bodies of the tens of thousands of people whom the Nazis had shot and buried in the forests of Latvia. About every two weeks the men on the work detail were shot and replaced with a new set of inmates. Men for this commando were selected both from Kaiserwald concentration camp and from the few remaining people in the Riga ghetto.

Historian Ezergailis states that one Hasselbach, an SS officer, was the commander of the Suetzpunkt commando, and does not mention Roschmann. As his source, Ezergailis cites a witness, Franz Leopold Schlesinger, who testified in the trial in West Germany of Viktors Arajs in the late 1970s, almost 35 years later. Schlesinger in turn appears to have only "thought" Hasselbach was the commander.

Roschmann is sometimes described as the commandant of the Kaiserwald concentration camp, which was located on the north side of Riga. Kaufmann however gives the Kaiserwald commandant as an SS man named Sauer who held the rank of Obersturmbannführer...

Riga Ghetto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

montmorency
15-03-2012, 01:52 PM
britain was establishing palastine as a jewish homeland prior to ww2


This is true, at least to some extent. Evidence for this is (for example) in two spiritual/travel type books by H.V. Morton, called "In the Footsteps of the Master" (1934), and "In the Footsteps of St Paul") (1935), in which he tries to retrace the journeys of Christ and St Paul respectively.

He refers to the British Mandate in Palestine, and how Jews, mainly from Eastern Europe were coming into the country. It was a relatively small number though. But he does use the term "Jewish Homeland", taken presumably from the Balfour Declaration. He's not making political points; he just refers to it in passing. He does mention however, how unpopular it was with various Arabs he came across. Of course the British in 1917, for their own strategic purposes, had promised the same land to two different groups of people. A dangerous game, for which we are all paying now I think.

montmorency
15-03-2012, 03:06 PM
[]This interest in Nazism and eroticism features in some of the best-known novels and films of the past thirty years. What is most disturbing is that they are not simply drawn to sex and Nazism but to the SS and the camps, to the sadistic and the perverse. Think of European art films like The Night Porter, Seven Beauties or The Damned, best-selling novels like Sophie’s Choice, The White Hotel and Bernhard Schlink’s The Reader. This fixation is not going away




Well, even satirical films like the 1968 "The Producers" (made by people of Jewish heritage) played up the "Nazi aesthetic". Of course it was all meant satirically, but satire is a subtle, and therefore doubly dangerous weapon, easily misunderstood.

montmorency
15-03-2012, 06:54 PM
Even allowing for the fact that once they realised the game was up the Nazi Germans began to try to get rid of as much evidence as they could, it does surprise me that if they ever filmed camp prisoners lining up to go into gas chambers, and then filming the result (with camera operators wearing gas masks) none of these films has survived (if they had done, lightgiver would have posted a link by now). We know about the German obsession with documentation, and surely someone like Goebbels or Himmler (if not Hitler) would have wanted to see such films.

After all film of shootings with bodies falling into pits has survived. Film of the mobile carbon monoxide gas "chambers" has survived. If so many prisoners died in the fixed gas chambers, why didn't the Nazis film any of them going in (and not coming out alive)?

It does seem odd.


Just to make it clear: in my opinion the Nazi regime in Germany was wholly evil from start to finish. They committed many atrocities for which there is ample proof. There is clear evidence of a plan for mass deportation or "emigration" or "evacuation", and this was the "final solution" referred to in the minutes of the Wannsee conference (which does not of course refer to extermination).

That in itself was a crime against humanity, and led to many deaths at least indirectly. No, the Nazis did not gas Anne Frank, but they were responsible for her death as surely as if they had gassed or shot her.

What can be proved against the Nazis is bad enough without exaggeration or distortion for emotional effect.


And whatever the Nazis did to the Jews, it does not excuse what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians since 1948.

lightgiver
19-03-2012, 01:15 AM
The Holocaust in color Nazi rising terror and concentration camps - YouTube

The Holocaust (from the Greek ὁλόκαυστος holókaustos: hólos, "whole" and kaustós, "burnt")

Apocalypse World War: Origins Of The Holocaust. 720p - YouTube

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice)

lightgiver
31-03-2012, 12:47 AM
General Dr Ing. Hans (Heinz) Friedrich Karl Franz Kammler (26 August 1901 – May 1945?) was a civil engineer and high-ranking officer of the SS. He oversaw SS construction projects, and towards the end of World War II was put in charge of the V-2 missile programme...

Der Fall Hans Kammler
Der Fall Hans Kammler - YouTube

Kammler eventually became Oswald Pohl's deputy at the SS-Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt (WVHA), which oversaw Amtsgruppe D (Amt D), the Administration of the concentration camp system, and was also Chief of Amt C, which designed and constructed all of the concentration and extermination camps. In this latter capacity he oversaw the installation of cremation facilities at Auschwitz-Birkenau, as part of the camp's conversion to an extermination camp...

Following the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943, Heinrich Himmler assigned him to oversee the demolition of the ghetto in retaliation.

Kammler was also charged with constructing facilities for various secret weapons projects, including manufacturing plants and test stands for the Messerschmitt Me 262 and V-2. Following the Allied bombing raids on Peenemünde in Operation Hydra in August 1943, Kammler was assigned to moving these production facilities underground, which resulted in the Mittelwerk facility and its attendant concentration camp complex, Mittelbau-Dora, which housed slave labour for constructing the factory and working on the production lines. The project was pushed ahead under enormous time pressures despite the consequences for the slave laborers employed on it. Kammler's motto at the time was reportedly, "Don't worry about the victims. The work must proceed ahead in the shortest time possible"

In March 1945, as US forces were advancing through Germany, the slave workers housed in the Dora-Mittelbau concentration camp were to be executed as security risks. It is believed that the order for their murder was received by Kammler, but he did not comply with it.

Controversy...

In recent years Kammler has become associated with apocryphal Nazi super weapons such as "Die Glocke". The first suggestion along these lines came from author Nick Cook, who in his "The Hunt for Zero Point" (2001) raised the possibility that Kammler was brought to the United States along with other German scientists as part of Operation Paperclip as a result of his supposed involvement in secret German projects. Joseph P. Farrell's "Reich of the Black Sun" (2005) casts further doubt upon the facts surrounding his death, however Farrell's only source is the book "Blunder! How the U.S. Gave Away Nazi Supersecrets to Russia" (1985) by self-identified "British Intelligence agent" Tom Agoston.


Hans Kammler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

montmorency
03-04-2012, 09:43 PM
I gather that David Irving isn't very popular on this site, either among Jews (he doesn't seem very fond of them, and it seems to be mutual) or among neo-Nazis (because he clearly isn't one of those, whatever his reputation).

I found it interesting that he should have posted links to these related articles:


http://ideas.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/02/rethinking-the-holocaust/
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2009/jul/16/holocaust-the-ignored-reality/

which certainly don't "deny" the "holocaust", and this underlines the fact that, whatever his reputation, he is not a "denier" either. He just says (as the main article I've linked to does) that it didn't happen the way most people think.

Irving's comments to these links:


The Conformists finally catch up. Rethinking the Holocaust - as we have always argued: It happened in the Reinhardt camps, not at Auschwitz



Holocaust: The Ignored Reality by Timothy Snyder - "An adequate vision of the Holocaust would place Operation Reinhardt, the murder of the Polish Jews in 1942," and not Auschwitz, "at the center of its history" - as we always said



Much more I could say about Irving, but this isn't the thread.

lightgiver
13-05-2012, 08:52 PM
I gather that David Irving isn't very popular on this site.

Does he post on here or something...

lightgiver
13-05-2012, 09:01 PM
And whatever the Nazis did to the Jews, it does not excuse what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians since 1948.

What about the Iran Iraq war...what about the gassing of the kurds by saddam...What about the beheadings in saudi arabia...what about fatah and hamas leadership getting their people to kill each other...

Fatah–Hamas conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
13-05-2012, 09:05 PM
Grini prison camp (Norwegian: Grini fangeleir, German: Polizeihäftlingslager Grini) was a Nazi concentration camp in Bærum, Norway, which operated between 1941 and May 1945. In the present time Ila Detention and Security Prison is located here.

Grini was originally built as a women's prison, near an old croft named Ilen (also written Ihlen), on land bought from the Løvenskiold family by the Norwegian state. The construction of a women's prison started in 1938, but despite being more or less finished in 1940, it did not come into use for its original purpose: Nazi Germany's invasion of Norway on 9 April 1940, during World War II, instead precipitated the use of the site for detention by the Nazi regime. At first, the Nazis used the prison to detain Norwegian officers captured during the Norwegian Campaign fighting. This use was discontinued in June 1940, when Norway capitulated. The prison was then used to house Wehrmacht soldiers, until a concentration camp was established on 14 June 1941. The first detainees were sent from Åneby concentration camp, the use of which was at the same time discontinued. Shortly afterwards, the ranks of prisoners were increased by detainees captured during Operation Barbarossa.The camp was run by Schutzstaffel and Gestapo personnel, who renamed the camp Polizeihäftlingslager Grini. The name corresponds to a nearby farm and surrounding residential district located a short distance southeast of the camp, but historically the area at Ilen had no connection to Grini farm...

After the liberation of Norway in May 1945, the prison was used for Norwegians tried or convicted of treason or collaboration, as a part of the legal purge in Norway after World War II. Since the name "Grini" was now associated with the Norwegian resistance movement, hence seen as heroic, the camp was renamed Ilebu. The new name also reflected the actual location of the camp better. 3,440 people were imprisoned here in July 1945. The conditions in the camp were unhealthy, with beri-beri breaking out in the summer.A guard reported that punitive exercise was used in a harsh way. on 13 October 1945 Utrykningspolitiet performed a razzia (police raid). During the razzia, prosecutor Lauritz Jenssen Dorenfeldt and the wife of camp director Helge Gleditsch were wrongly rounded up in the yard.

Anders Behring Breivik has been remanded at Ila Prison since his arrest. There he has at his disposal three prison cells. One where he can rest, sleep and ...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060759204&postcount=313
Anders Behring Breivik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

william68
14-05-2012, 07:12 PM
Holocaust - The Last Days Of The Big Lie:
http://archive.org/details/Holocaust-TheLastDaysOfTheBigLie



Zundel went to prison for half a decade for debunking the holocaust during a landmark court case. The truth does not fear investigation:

http://www.zundelsite.org/

lightgiver
27-06-2012, 10:44 PM
http://s19.postimage.org/4lwt7mcxf/IBM_and_the_Holocaust_cover.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

IBM and the Holocaust is a book by investigative journalist Edwin Black which details the business dealings of the American-based multinational corporation International Business Machines (IBM) and its German and other European subsidiaries with the government of Adolf Hitler during the 1930s and the years of World War II. In the book, Black outlines the way in which IBM's technology helped facilitate Nazi genocide against the Jewish people through generation and tabulation of punch cards based upon national census data.

davidsmith01 - YouTube

20 E den Street not far from Kermit Street...

The Garden of Eden (Hebrew גַּן עֵדֶן, Gan ʿEdhen), is the biblical "garden of God", described most notably in the Book of Genesis (Genesis 2-3), but also mentioned, directly or indirectly, in Ezekiel, Isaiah and elsewhere in the Old Testament. In the past the favoured derivation of the name "Eden" was from the Akkadian edinnu, itself derived from a Sumerian word meaning "plain" or "steppe", but it is now believed to be more closely related to an Aramaic root meaning "fruitful, well-watered.BB

"Mankind barely noticed when the concept of massively organized information quietly emerged to become a means of social control, a weapon of war, and a roadmap for group destruction.... Hitler and his hatred of the Jews was the ironic driving force behind this intellectual turning point. But his quest was greatly enhanced and energized by the ingenuity and craving for profit of a single American company and its legendary, autocratic chairman. That company was International Business Machines, and its chairman was Thomas J. Watson."

A contract killing is a form of murder, in which one party hires another party to kill a target individual or group of people. It involves an illegal agreement between two or more parties in which one party agrees to kill the target in exchange for currency, monetary, or otherwise. Either party may be a person, group, or an organization.Throughout history, contract killing has been associated with organized crime and also vendettas...For Example Murder, Inc. (or Murder Incorporated or the Brownsville Boys; known in syndicate circles as The Combination) was the name given by the press to organized crime groups in the 1920s through the 1940s that resulted in hundreds of murders on behalf of the American Mafia and Jewish Mafia groups who together formed the early organized crime groups in New York and elsewhere. The name was a journalistic invention. In his biography The Valachi Papers, Mafia turncoat Joe Valachi insisted Murder, Inc. did not commit crimes for the Mafia...Most of the killers were Jewish gangsters from the gangs of the Brooklyn neighborhoods of Brownsville, East New York, and Ocean Hill. In addition to carrying out crime in New York City and acting as enforcers for New York mobster Louis "Lepke" Buchalter, they accepted murder contracts from mob bosses all around the United States.

The killers were paid a regular salary as retainer as well as an average fee of $1,000 to $5,000 per killing. Their families also received monetary benefits. If the killers were caught, the mob would hire the best lawyers for their defense.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060904013&postcount=28
Eden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060907135&postcount=73
Epsilon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153235
Alpha Epsilon Pi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214372

lightgiver
27-06-2012, 11:55 PM
For the first time in history, psychiatrists during the Nazi era sought to systematically exterminate their patients. However, little has been published from this dark period analyzing what may be learned for clinical and research psychiatry. At each stage in the murderous process lay a series of unethical and heinous practices, with many psychiatrists demonstrating a profound commitment to the atrocities, playing central, pivotal roles critical to the success of Nazi policy. Several misconceptions led to this misconduct, including allowing philosophical constructs to define clinical practice, focusing exclusively on preventative medicine, allowing political pressures to influence practice, blurring the roles of clinicians and researchers, and falsely believing that good science and good ethics always co-exist. Psychiatry during this period provides a most horrifying example of how science may be perverted by external forces. It thus becomes crucial to include the Nazi era psychiatry experience in ethics training as an example of proper practice gone awry.

The Moors Murders Code - YouTube

During the Nazi era, for the first time in history, psychiatrists sought to systematically exterminate their patients. It has been acknowledged that the medical profession was profoundly involved in crimes against humanity during this period, with various publications describing this malevolent period of medical history. It is less known, however, that psychiatrists were among the worst transgressors. At each stage of the descent of the profession into the depths of criminal and genocidal clinical practice lay a series of unethical decisions and immoral professional judgments. Furthermore, very little has been published on lessons that may be learned from this dark period in the history of psychiatry and on ethical principles that may be extrapolated for the future practice of clinical and research psychiatry and for inclusion in educational programs. This paper reviews the role of psychiatrists in the Nazi era and analyzes the underlying misconceptions that led to the aberrant behaviour.

Very Bad Santa - Trading Places (7/10) Movie CLIP (1983) HD - YouTube

Let it rain, I hydroplane in the bank
Coming down with the Dow Jones
When the clouds come we gone, we the Rocafella clan on R&R...[Softcover]...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1060&page=957
http://www.annals-general-psychiatry.com/content/6/1/8
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213735

positive_forward
28-06-2012, 12:04 AM
According to popular legend, Auschwitz was an extermination center organized to kill as many Jewish prisoners as possible with the greatest possible dispatch. In fact, though, the authorities responsible for Germany's wartime concentration camp network carried out extensive measures at Auschwitz, and other camps, to save inmates' lives. Though for decades widely known among specialized historians,note 1 this remarkable story has been unknown to the wider public, and one extraordinary aspect of it has remained secret for decades.

In 1944, during the final year of the war in Europe, the Germans installed and operated state-of-the-art high frequency facilities at Auschwitz to kill disease-bearing lice and other pests. These expensive installations, installed in response to the high death rate wrought by disease, worked on the same principle as the familiar microwave appliances widely used today in households around the world. These Auschwitz facilities, designed to help save lives, proved very effective.

French researcher Jean-Claude Pressac briefly mentioned this remarkable disinfestation facility in his 1994 book about the crematories of Auschwitz.note 2 Also, French revisionist scholar Robert Faurisson, in an essay published in 1995, cited the testimony of former Auschwitz inmate Marc Klein, first published in 1946, about "short wave delousing" at Auschwitz.note 3

But the first qualified and detailed look at this subject appeared in two lengthy articles published in 1998 issues of the German-language revisionist quarterly, Vierteljahreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung, edited by Germar Rudolf. These articles were based primarily on documents buried in the voluminous collection of wartime German records that were seized by Soviet forces in 1945. For more than half a century these important historical records lay forgotten in Moscow's central archives. (The present article is based in large part on information in these two Vierteljahreshefte articles.)note 4
Typhus Danger

Before dealing directly with the high frequency delousing facilities, it is important to understand the general problem of disease, especially typhus, during the war, and the measures taken by the German authorities -- particularly at Auschwitz -- to combat the deadly scourges.

Typhus or "spotted fever" (German: Fleckfieber) is transmitted from one diseased person to another by lice infected with a micro-organism (Rickettsia prowazeki). Epidemic typhus flourishes among people in crowded living quarters, including ships, prisons, camps and ghettos, where poor sanitary conditions and bad hygiene prevail.

During the First World War (1914-1918), and even more in the years immediately following, some 25-30 million people in Poland, Ukraine, Russia and the Baltic suffered from typhus, or about 20-23 percent of the total population, of whom several million perished. "At the close of World War I," the Encyclopaedia Britannica has noted, "the disease was prevalent in Poland, Russia and Rumania, where estimates of cases and deaths between 1919 and 1923 ran into millions. In World War II from these areas it spread again into western Europe and caused devastating epidemics among refugees and displaced persons, particularly in the German concentration camps."note 5 So terrible was the scourge in Poland that the United States dispatched a US Army team to the country, where it carried out extensive efforts to combat typhus among the civilian population, 1919-1921.note 6

When war broke out in Europe in 1939, German medical and military leaders were mindful of the terrible impact of typhus during the earlier conflict, and acted accordingly. At the outset of the Second World War, the most advanced method used to kill typhus-carrying lice was "Zyklon B." This was the trade name of a pest control agent manufactured from the 1920s to the 1950s by the Degesch company of Frankfurt am Main. "Zyklon" is hydrocyanic or "Prussic" acid (HCN) absorbed in a porous material such as gypsum or diatomaceous earth, which is kept in tightly sealed cans until it is deployed by trained personnel. HCN's boiling point is 26 degrees C (79 F).

This commercially available pesticide was widely used before, during and after the Second World War by private companies, governmental agencies and military forces throughout Europe. It was frequently used by the German armed forces, including the SS, to delouse clothing and other effects, and to kill insects and rodents in buildings.

It is commonly believed that SS men used Zyklon to kill millions of Jews in gas chambers at Auschwitz and other German camps. But in fact SS men used Zyklon to help prevent camp inmates' deaths. They deployed it in very large quantities at Auschwitz and other wartime concentration camps by fumigating barracks, by delousing clothing in special gas chambers, and so forth, to destroy disease-bearing vermin.note 7
Combatting Typhus at Auschwitz

In each German concentration camp, including Auschwitz, a "garrison physician" (Standortarzt) was responsible, together with the other medical personnel, for implementing, coordinating and supervising hygiene and sanitary measures. At Auschwitz during this period, the "garrison physician," or chief medical officer, was SS Hauptsturmführer (captain) Dr. Eduard Wirths. By all accounts, including the surviving wartime documents, he was a dedicated, kindly, and good-natured man who capably and conscientiously carried out his demanding duties in the large camp.note 8

When typhus broke out in the Auschwitz camp for the first time in the summer of 1942, the German authorities there responded resolutely. In an effort to halt the disease, Commandant Rudolf Höss ordered a full-scale quarantine (vollständige Lagersperre) of the camp in July 1942. SS men and their families were not allowed to leave the camp area. As the epidemic continued to spread, Höss ordered further measures, including delousing actions with Zyklon, a prohibition against SS men and their families eating uncooked fruits and vegetables, disinfections of living quarters, obligatory vaccinations, and further restrictions on movement. Special "louse inspection" units were organized, and those who failed to observe the anti-lice measures were punished.note 9

On July 22, 1942, an official in the central Berlin office responsible for concentration camp administration (WVHA) radioed Auschwitz: "I hereby give permission for a five ton truck to go from Auschwitz to Dessau and back, in order to pick up gas [Zyklon] for gassing of the camp, to fight the epidemic that has broken out." This was just one of several such deliveries.note 10

But these measures proved inadequate. Even as the camp's hospital blocks were overcrowded with typhus victims, the disease continued to claim many lives. In early December 1942, SS camp physician Dr. Wirths spoke at a meeting that had been called to address the typhus crisis. Reflecting the seriousness of the occasion, the attendees included local and regional government officials, military officers, and important civilian figures.note 11 Wirths reported optimistically that

three large disinfestation, shower and sauna facilities can be put into operation right now, specifically two facilities for the inmates and one for SS troop members. The capacity of these facilities is some 3,000 to 4,000 persons per 24 hours.

The central WVHA office in Berlin-Oranienburg, which was responsible for the SS concentration camp system, sent a secret directive on December 28, 1942, to every concentration camp, including Auschwitz and Majdanek (Lublin). After sharply criticizing the high death rate, it ordered that

camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps.... The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp commandants.... The camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as possible.

The directive concluded: "The Reichsführer SS [Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced."note 12

Richard Glücks, head of the SS agency that supervised the concentration camps, informed the various camp commandants in January 1943: "As I have already pointed out, every means must be used to lower the death rate in the camp."note 13

In a letter of February 25, 1943, to the central WVHA office in Berlin-Oranienburg, which was responsible for the SS concentration camp system, Dr. Wirths summed up the situation:note 14

As already reported, after the typhus epidemic in the Auschwitz camp had practically been suppressed in November and December, there followed a new rise in typhus cases among the Auschwitz inmates as well as among troops, brought by the newly arriving transports from the East. In spite of the counter-measures that were immediately taken, a complete suppression of typhus cases has still not been achieved.

Accordingly, the SS camp physician reported that there would be a three-week quarantine of the Auschwitz camp complex, including the main camp and Birkenau. During this period, he continued, two thorough delousing and disinfection operations would be carried out to completely eradicate lice, and thus eliminate the danger of new outbreaks of typhus.

In an April 1943 communication to the camp commandant, Dr. Wirths expressed grave concern about the sewer system in Birkenau, and concluded with a warning that unless appropriate measures are taken, the "great danger of epidemics would be inevitable."note 15

On May 7, 1943, the Auschwitz chief physician had a discussion with Dr. Heinz Kammler, head of the engineering and construction bureau of the central camp administration office (WVHA), and others, about inmate facilities at Auschwitz. Dr. Wirths warned that note 16

... maintaining the prisoners' health for the major tasks does not seem certain, due to the poor toilet conditions, an inadequate sewer system, a lack of hospital barracks and separate latrines for the sick, and the lack of washing, bathing and disinfestation facilities.

In his report on the meeting, Dr. Wirths noted that his superiors agreed with his assessment:

The Brigadeführer [SS general Kammler] acknowledges the foremost urgency of these matters, and promises to do everything possible to ensure rectification of the shortcomings. He is somewhat surprised, however, that on the one hand, he receives reports from the responsible medical personnel that give a very favorable account of the sanitary and hygienic conditions, and on the other he immediately afterwards receives exactly opposite reports. The director of the ZBL [Auschwitz central construction office] is instructed to present proposals by May 15, 1943, for rectifying all problems under discussion.

This commitment by a high-level SS officer is all the more remarkable considering the growing shortages facing the German leadership due to the worsening military situation, which made it ever more difficult to procure supplies, manpower and money to insure minimal hygiene and sanitary standards.

In keeping with this, camp chief physician Dr. Wirths, in a May 28, 1943, letter to the Auschwitz central construction office (ZBL), asked for six circulating air delousing facilities, to be installed as quickly as possible. (These were in fact ordered the next day.) This request, Dr. Wirths explained, was being made "especially for the delousing and the disinfestation of the sick prisoners and their clothing ..."note 17

Because typhus continued to plague the camp complex, even more rigorous measures were imposed in January 1944. Simultaneously, all inmates were subjected to baths and disinfection, all clothes and bedding were sent to disinfection chambers, and all barracks were treated with Zyklon. This unprecedented campaign worked, and thereafter only sporadic cases of typhus were reported.note 18

A Polish inmate-physician, Dr. Alfred Fiderkiewicz, confirmed after the war that the camp administration and the dedicated SS physicians imposed strenuous and sometimes even radical measures to combat typhus in Birkenau, including large-scale Zyklon delousing of barracks and all clothing, improved diets for sick-bay inmates, and action by a special team to combat lice. As a result, the typhus plague was finally brought under control in January 1944, although tuberculosis was never completely eradicated and continued to claim many lives.note 19
High Frequency Delousing Facilities

In 1936, German technicians had noticed that high frequency radio waves produced by a large transmitter tube used to broadcast the Olympic Games from Berlin that year incidentally killed all nearby insects. Spurred by this, the Siemens-Schuckertwerke (Siemens-Schuckert works), together with the Reich Biology Institute in Dahlem, conducted tests on pest eradication using the high-frequency field of an electron tube.

After the problem of pest extermination once again became pointedly relevant following the outbreak of war in 1939, the Siemens-Schuckert company worked on developing a practical high frequency or "shortwave" (Kurzwellen) disinfestation facility. Collaborating with the firm on this project was a related company, the Siemens-Reiniger works in Erlangen, which produced medical instruments.

When this new technology was demonstrated to civilian and military authorities, the SS saw its applicability for large camps and quickly ordered several of the new facilities. (In contrast, the regular German army ordered one such installation, which apparently was never completed or made operational.)

The new high frequency facility was produced in both a mobile and a stationary model. The mobile version was designed to fit on a truck trailer. Operating it required access to a 380-volt electrical outlet or to a portable electrical generator.

At the end of June 1943, Dr. Willing of the construction-engineering bureau of the central WVHA agency reported with satisfaction on the efficiency of the new facility:note 20

... After a pass through the ultra-shortwave field, which takes eleven to twelve seconds, all vermin as well as bacteria, germs, brood and nits are killed, and, given non-stop operation, 13,000 to 15,000 pieces of clothing can be sterilized per day.
Auschwitz Installation and Operation

Although the first high frequency disinfestation facility was supposed to arrive at Auschwitz on May 15, 1943, actual delivery was delayed. In mid-June 1943 the Reich Ministry for Munitions and Armaments assigned top priority to the new high frequency facilities.

At a meeting on July 1, 1943, Dr. Wirths assured colleagues that the stationary high frequency delousing facility would be ready to begin operation at Auschwitz in about eight weeks, and that a mobile facility was to arrive at the camp within the next three weeks. Installation of the mobile high frequency disinfestation unit -- each step of which is thoroughly documented -- was carried out between July 16, 1943 (commission) and October 21, 1943 (last requisition of materials).

The "Osten III" model stationary high frequency disinfestation facility -- a modification of the "Osten II" mobile model -- was set up in 1944 at the Auschwitz I main camp, in a building (BW 160) that originally was to house 19 Zyklon delousing chambers. It finally went into operation on June 30, 1944, and on July 29, 1944, the director of the SS Hygiene Institute tested its bacteria-killing ability.
Greater Efficiency

Before being treated in the new high frequency facility, the louse-infested clothing was first dampened slightly with a water spray-gun. Then the clothing was bagged into bundles of 12x40 centimeters each and placed on conveyor belts that carried them through the high-frequency generator's capacitor field. Operating on the same principle as the modern microwave oven, the facility quickly killed all lice and other pests, as well as any typhus-bearing bacteria. The facility could treat 400 kilograms of clothing per hour.

Auschwitz's new high-frequency delousing facilities immediately proved to be far superior to all other delousing methods of the period, including the widely used method of hydrocyanic gassing with Zyklon B. Treatment of infected clothing with Zyklon required 70 to 75 minutes, and Topf delousing ovens required 60 to 80 minutes per treatment. Disinfestation in gassing autoclaves required a similarly lengthy amount of time. By contrast, the high frequency delousing facility required just seconds to treat infected clothing.

Furthermore, the new technique was much more thorough. It killed not only lice and their eggs (nits), but even the typhus micro-organisms. The new high frequency facility also took much less space, and was markedly less expensive. The cost of installing the "standard" disinfestation facilities in Auschwitz was 153,000 Reich marks, whereas the cost of installing the high frequency facilities there was 75,000 Reich marks or, according to another source, 98,000 Reich marks.

On August 10, 1944, the Auschwitz camp physician reported to the central WVHA office in Berlin-Oranienburg "on the effectiveness of the stationary shortwave delousing facility."note 21 After taking time to train the required personnel, wrote Dr. Wirths, full operation of the facility began on July 5, 1944. The new facility functioned promptly and reliably, and was in nearly daily use. However, it was not operating at peak efficiency, in part because of power outages.

On daily average, he continued, the new facility processed 1,441 sets of underwear and matching garments, and 449 wool or quilt blankets. In other words, he went on, every 32 working days the facility processed the clothing of 46,122 persons, including their underwear and bedding. Under ideal conditions (with no power outages, for example), Wirths stressed, the facility's performance would be three times greater. Tests carried out in Auschwitz by the SS Hygiene Institute, Wirths continued, showed that treatment in the facility of three minutes per sack of clothing -- that is, about 45 seconds for each individual item -- completely destroyed all traces of staphylococcus, typhus and diphtheria.

In November 1944 the Auschwitz central construction office (ZBL) reported that "at the present time there is a stationary high microwave delousing facility in concentration camp I [Auschwitz] and a mobile one in concentration camp II ."

The efficiency of these "high tech" Auschwitz facilities, designed to help save prisoners' lives, contrasts sharply with the absurdly primitive technology of the camp's alleged homicidal gas chambers, supposedly meant to kill prisoners. As Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has written, the (supposed) homicidal gassing procedure at Auschwitz-Birkenau crematory facilities IV and V, for example, was cumbersome, "irrational and ridiculous."note 22

Auschwitz was not the only German concentration camp to receive one of the new "high tech" delousing facilities. In the fall of 1944, a stationary high frequency facility similar to the one at Auschwitz was installed at the Mauthausen camp (near Linz). At that same time, a mobile high frequency delousing facility arrived at Gusen, a satellite camp of Mauthausen, in response to an outbreak of typhus there. Efforts were also made to install a similar stationary facility in the Dachau concentration camp (near Munich), but apparently it was never put into operation.

Development of high frequency facilities continued even as Soviet and American troops were advancing into Germany. A certificate issued by the Reich Ministry for Armaments and War Production on February 22, 1945 -- just eleven weeks before the end -- noted that although the Siemens-Schuckert works had been evacuated from Breslau (because of the Soviet advance), a new testing and production facility was to be set up in central Germany. The document also stressed that development and production of high frequency devices by Siemens-Schuckert had the highest national priority, and deserved all possible assistance from Party, military and civil authorities.note 23
Summary

Records documenting the Auschwitz high frequency delousing facilities are only a small portion of [B]the mass of German wartime files -- 83,000 documents, according to one estimate -- that have been uncovered from Russian archives after decades of neglect.

It is highly significant that among this enormous collection of secret German records, not a single one provides any evidence of mass killing, or even refers to a German wartime policy or program of "extermination." To the contrary, many of these documents -- such as those cited in this article -- further demonstrate the seriousness of the efforts by high-level government and SS authorities to maintain the health of inmates by combatting disease in the camps.

Deployment of "microwave" delousing facilities was just one of many conscientious measures taken by the SS authorities to save inmates' lives. Confirming this is a report on the high frequency installations, written in September 1945 (four months after the end of the conflict), apparently by a Siemens technician named Bay. The report points out:note 24

We regretted that these facilities could not be used for their original application purpose, namely for delousing military equipment for the front, because they seemed more urgently needed by the camp personnel who requested them, because cases of typhus were constantly being observed among the camp inmates.

The discovery of long-hidden records on Germany's wartime high frequency delousing facilities suggests that other significant documents of the period may still await discovery, and that further important historical revelations about Auschwitz and the "Holocaust" issue are quite likely.

The revealing documents cited in this article, and many others like them, are routinely suppressed by those who uphold what Jewish educator Rabbi Michael Goldberg (in his 1996 book, Why Should Jews Survive?) aptly calls "the Holocaust cult." It is noteworthy that such documents have been found and brought to light not by "mainstream" historians, but rather by skeptical dissident (revisionist) scholars -- an implicit indictment of the dereliction, if not corruption, of the historical "establishment."


http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n3p-4_Weber.html

lightgiver
28-06-2012, 12:07 AM
I see the ES is back under a different Guise :(...whats up, was your Post count getting to high.

I knew is was too good to be true..O well nevermind here we go again...

I suppose you have found all that out by yourself with your great detective work...do you travel or get out much...Have you even ever been to Germany !!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37823&page=20

tinyint
28-06-2012, 10:44 AM
Ethnic Germans: A Forgotten Genocide - YouTube

Historische Dokumente 4 - YouTube

http://zpravy.idnes.cz/video-telum-na-ulici-prejizdeli-hlavy-ukryvany-film-zachytil-lync-nemcu-1o7-/domaci.aspx?c=A100504_210833_domaci_vel

The new documentary will follow.

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1005&play=96#watch

Auschwitz: The Surprising Hidden Truth (March 2012) - YouTube

PS: Was there the usual account rotation shift, that LG will now to be found advertising hoax and NATO war lies again instead of posting nonsense on Illuminati forum?

lightgiver
29-06-2012, 04:56 PM
davidsmith01 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0zOzfuN958&feature=related)



Video posted two days ago...now its gone...Hmm I wonder why,kinda reminds me of the link below...Speaking of Manipulation..IBMH...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060907262&postcount=21429

lightgiver
30-06-2012, 06:32 PM
Miss Holocaust Survivor Pageant - H. H. Crowned In Israel - YouTube

"It will come down with a bang when we get home," Tikwah said, chuckling. It did, but Wivell's very funny and often touching film was wise enough to accommodate the fact that a good marriage need not be a perfect one.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060911818&postcount=174
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/last-nights-tv-two-jews-on-a-cruise-a-wonderland-film-bbc2-7466782.html
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060912968&postcount=1439

lightgiver
01-07-2012, 06:58 PM
The Nazi SS carry out a gassing experiment using human subjects at Mogilev in German-occupied Soviet Union, fall 1941. They aimed to perfect a new method for killing Jews and political enemies. The method in use - shooting people at close range - was seen as harmful to the psyche and morale of the killers. Gassing, already tested at the German "euthanasia" facilities, helped distance the killers from their victims. A German chemist, Dr. Albert Widmann, participated in this 1941 test.

Nazi New Killing Method Gas Chamber Experiment - YouTube

The diffusion of responsibility across an organization, and the distance from the victim are all artifacts of "civilized" efficiency that permitted mass killing. The Nazis had previously attempted to shoot the Jews, but these massacres had psychologically overwhelmed the ordinary men of the shooting brigades, who had to look their victims in the eye and watch them suffer.


In September 1941, Einsatzgruppe B was faced with the task of liquidating the patients of the lunatic asylums in the cities of Minsk and Mogilev. Nebe decided to find a simpler way for his men to kill the mentally diseased, other than by shooting them. He contacted Kripo headquarters and asked for their help in carrying out the killing of the insane with either explosives or poison gas. Dr. Widmann of the Criminal Police was sent to Nebe in Minsk, but before he left, Dr. Widmann discussed with the director of the Criminal Police Technological Institute, Dr. Heess, ways of using the carbon monoxide gas from automobile exhaust for killing operations in the East, based on the experience gained from the euthanasia program. Dr. Widmann took to Minsk 400 kgs of explosive material and the metal pipes required for the gassing installations.Nebe and Dr. Widmann carried out an experimental killing using explosives. Twenty-five mentally ill people were locked into two bunkers in a forest outside Minsk. The first explosion killed only some of them, and it took much time and trouble until the second explosion killed the rest. Explosives therefore were unsatisfactory.A few days later an experiment with poison gas was carried out by Nebe and Dr. Widmann in Mogilev. In the local lunatic asylum, a room with twenty to thirty of the insane was closed hermetically, and two pipes were driven into the wall. A car was parked outside, and one of the metal pipes that Dr. Widmann had brought connected the exhaust of the car to the pipe in the wall. The car engine was turned on and the carbon monoxide began seeping into the room. After eight minutes, the people in the room were still alive. A second car was connected to the other pipe in the wall. The two cars were operated simultaneously, and a few minutes later all those in the room were dead.

Before 1975, motor car exhaust contained 4–10% carbon monoxide, but newer cars have catalytic converters that eliminate over 99% of the carbon monoxide produced. However even cars with catalytic converters can produce substantial amounts of carbon monoxide if an idling car is left in an enclosed space such as a closed garage...

Albert Widmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.spectacle.org/1196/hobbes.html
Carbon monoxide poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
01-07-2012, 11:50 PM
Fluoride used by Nazis to sterilize inmates and make them docile. Fluoride a key dumbing down ingredient of Prozac and Sarin nerve gas -- poisons of choice for tyrant rats.

"No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin's 'Last Will' and Hitler's Mein Kampf: "America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within."

"Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium Fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats."

"Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity ------- treason!!"

Signed: Dr. E.H. Bronner, Research Chemist, Los Angeles

DR. BRONNER'S MAGIC SOAPBOX - YouTube

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/medicalhealth-mainmenu-37/39620-fluoride-used-by-nazis-to-sterilize-inmates-and-make-them-docile-fluoride-a-key-dumbing-down-ingredient-of-prozac
Emanuel Bronner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
08-07-2012, 10:25 PM
The Madagascar Plan was a suggested policy of the Nazi government of Germany to relocate the Jewish population of Europe to the island of Madaga scar..

Eichmann trial - Session No. 91 - YouTube
Denies evidence from a document citing that from the day of the failure of "the Madagascar plan", he did everything in his power to stop Jewish emigration, saying that this was under the jurisdiction of Himmler.

The leaders of Nazi Germany seized on the idea, and Adolf Hitler signed off on it in 1938. In May 1940, Heinrich Himmler, in his Reflections on the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East, declared: "I hope that the concept of Jews will be completely extinguished through the possibility of a large emigration of all Jews to Africa or some other colony."

In late August 1940 Rademacher entreated Ribbentrop to hold a meeting at his Ministry to begin drawing up a panel of experts to consolidate the Plan. Ribbentrop never responded. Likewise, Eichmann's draft languished with Heydrich, who never approved it. The Warsaw ghetto was completed and opened in October. Expulsions of Jews from German territory into occupied Poland continued again from late autumn 1940 to spring 1941.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100575&page=15
Madagascar Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bjornyvan
15-07-2012, 12:06 PM
Concentration camp money

Some of these notes were also used in the ghettoes and places like Theresienstadt. The Jews had their own money.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BoFajwXiLss/UAJbnIx9YeI/AAAAAAAABVg/Du-OQ5_jn10/s1600/697_001.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SQtGNlrLedc/UAJbwirlFMI/AAAAAAAABVo/YlzIBBVMb00/s1600/697_002.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zW8igccNyEA/UAJYWxEJicI/AAAAAAAABUw/y49hOYeU9OE/s1600/money1.png

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FPafO3Jcwws/UAJYeNkLnpI/AAAAAAAABU4/nafZx949q1g/s1600/money2.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uK5eMJ3dzZQ/UAJYl95-otI/AAAAAAAABVA/zf4S0f64OSM/s1600/money3.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BVe3kAqv2kw/UAKe6jPyDmI/AAAAAAAABZg/NJbtxDHe7S8/s1600/picture-7.png

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-erGjml-9qU4/UAJi72UEBZI/AAAAAAAABYQ/eoYY_wjGU9k/s1600/thumb01087.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PXFr1fA6zr4/UAJky3XV0aI/AAAAAAAABY4/J3zHAOcHP7Y/s1600/lagerg01.jpg

lightgiver
15-08-2012, 02:55 AM
Pink Floyd - Money Guitar Backing Track (no lead).mp4 - YouTube

Not much use to the Dead...
Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). As the loss of a human being inflicts enormous grief upon the individuals close to the victim, as well as the fact that the commission of a murder is highly detrimental to the good order within society, most societies both present and in antiquity have considered it a most serious crime worthy of the harshest of punishment. In most countries, a person convicted of murder is typically given a long prison sentence, possibly a life sentence where permitted, and in some countries, the death penalty may be imposed for such an act — though this practice is becoming less common.
A person who commits murder is called a murderer...

http://s19.postimage.org/u2k98y9v7/Corpses.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060783000&postcount=27
Murder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060987601&postcount=335

lightgiver
16-08-2012, 01:44 AM
Fluoride Used in Nazi Concentration Camps! - YouTube
Here is a German reporter talking about fluoride in Nazi camps:

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/011508_fluoride_horror.htm
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219906

vegan_on_the_land
17-08-2012, 10:07 AM
If you live in the UK you should watch a play on BBC2 tonight at 9pm: The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas. I saw it when it was on last year. It's about a young lad whose father becomes the commandant of a concentration camp. The young lad is puzzled by certain things. It has quite a horrific ending.

lightgiver
20-08-2012, 02:12 PM
Nazi Concentration And Prison Camps - YouTube

lightgiver
20-08-2012, 02:23 PM
Alois Brunner (born 8 April 1912) was an German Schutzstaffel (SS) officer. Brunner was Adolf Eichmann's assistant, and Eichmann referred to Brunner as his "best man."
Syria's Sheltered Nazi - YouTube
As commander of the Drancy internment camp outside Paris from June 1943 to August 1944, Brunner is held responsible for sending some 140,000 European Jews to the gas chambers. Nearly 24,000 of them were deported from the Drancy camp. He was condemned to death in absentia in France in 1954 for crimes against humanity. In 1961 and in 1980, Brunner lost an eye and the fingers of his left hand, respectively, as a result of letter bombs sent to him by Mossad...He was personally sent by Adolf Eichmann in 1944 to Slovakia to oversee the deportation of Jews. From early 1944 until January 1945, over one million Jews were transported to Auschwitz. Before being named commander of Drancy internment camp near Paris, Brunner deported 43,000 Jews from Vienna and 46,000 from Salonika. In the last days of the Third Reich he managed to deport another 13,500 from Slovakia...Alois Brunner bears direct responsibility for the deportation to Nazi death camps of 128,500 Jewish men, women and children from Austria, Greece, France, and Slovakia...

The arrest and conviction of Alois Brunner remains the top priority of leading Nazi hunters and war investigators but Brunner has successfully eluded justice. During his many years hiding out reportedly in an apartment on Haddad Street in the Syrian capital of Damascus, he openly assisted the Syrians in establishing their own secret police.

In 2003, The Guardian described him as "the world's highest-ranking Nazi fugitive believed still alive." Brunner was last reported to be living in Syria, whose government rebuffed international efforts to locate or apprehend him...the possibility of Brunner still being alive was "slim".
Alois Brunner ...The Jews deserved to die. I have no regrets. If I had the chance I would do it again.

http://www.deathcamps.info/Nazis/page_9.htm
Alois Brunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193551&page=15