Thinking About Becoming a Freemason [Archive] - David Icke's Official Forums

williammac

30-01-2008, 05:07 AM

No kidding. Went to www.AskaFreemason.org. I thought "Hey, I can just go ask them if I can join the club! Neat!"

So, I found a lodge nearby and I'm thinking about taking the plunge. They get to wear nifty clothes and maybe someone will teach me about....something really secret like. Then, I'll come on here and say "Hey... I have a secret. Man...reeeeaalllyyyy wish I could tell you guys. But IIIIIII can't. Cause I'm a freemason now."

Anyway, but seriously, I am thinking about it. I don't think it's much of anything but a good way to develop connections on a regional basis. I hearsay that the ground level is just a regular type of thing.

Would you all hate me?

-William
www.William-Mac.com
www.ThisWeekinTime.com

adramelech

30-01-2008, 05:37 AM

Haha, ground level Freemasonry is a bunch of middle-aged white guys drinking and trading stock tips. The Blue Degrees and local ale lodges are completely harmless, if not filled with a bit of shady business. And unless you're a member of the right family, you won't be getting tapped on the shoulder for anything else any time soon.

Really, I'd advise against it simply because it's a terrible bore. I'm sure you can find a better social club. And you can certainly find a better occult school if you're interested in that aspect.

edelweiss pirate

30-01-2008, 08:23 AM

father ted

30-01-2008, 08:43 AM

I took a tour of the main freemason lodge where I live ( I recomend it), even in the blue degrees, you will be subject to rituals of which, aren't good. Basically, the themes of these rituals is about "selling your soul", becoming shaped for their use (as symbolised by the cubes), cocksucking. You will also be doing charity work so I'm sure you will feel great about helping cancer research (research to cause cancer) and helping fund arms in Iraq (for either side). If you're not bothered by that and can sleep well at night, yeah, sure... go for it:rolleyes:

ravenswing

30-01-2008, 08:45 AM

sleepycat64

30-01-2008, 09:49 AM

I really don't think the "guys" on the bottom rungs of Freemasonry have much idea of what goes on, I know some masons who are very intelligent and open guys. One of them in particular is one of the nicest, most genuine guys you could meet and I would trust him with my children if I had any.
Now I am not defending Freemasonry in any way shape or form but neither will I sit back and say they are all corrupt cocksuckers. If someone wants to join then that is their choice and not up to us to tell them not to or be abusive.
I personally feel that sort of attitude is harmful and doesn't actually achieve anything but then I don't suppose we can all be open minded. After all there probably is as much corruption and evil logging into these forums as there are anywhere else.
I am beginning to realise these forums hold some of the most bigoted and hateful converstations it has been my misfortune to read. There are some really nasty people logging on here and they know who they are.

drael

30-01-2008, 10:00 AM

As other have said, dont expect any secrets out of the deal. Masonry is just one of the bottom level networks of the NWO.

lemonique

30-01-2008, 10:03 AM

No, I wouldn't hate you Williammac. Maybe just give it some thought and research it thoroughly.

You are free to do whatever you want to do.

Good luck!

Lemonique

williammac

31-01-2008, 08:05 AM

Jesus William Mac so you finally out yourself..... I knew what you were about way back with your UN blather...

If you enjoy the prospect of hearing voices and demon possession... having your free will depleted until you become nothing more than a living zombie go ahead:
Go ahead join the masons (though I reckon you're already one)...

The greatest masonic secret is that you're not 'supposed' to join in the first place.

Seriously.... it's not fun... It's a trick a trap and you'll never get out with a clean soul.

Why would anyone wanna give up their free will? Join the army and go to Iraq if you're intent on destroying yourself, it'll be quicker and prolly less painful.

What UN blather?

I don't think it's really that apocalyptic, man. From what I can tell... It's like one meeting a month. Seems kind of boring, actually.

I thought maybe there would be opportunities to get in with some filmmakers, maybe some younger folks around, something to that effect.

If anything, perhaps some smart people that like to discuss things. Apparently, they are not even allowed to discuss politics within the lodges -- even more boring.

So, if it were as apocalyptic as you make it sound.... then at least that would be more interesting.

Suffice to say. I called the local lodge, asked about stuff, it's too boring for me to even want to join any more. Plus, I don't have enough money for the initial starting fee thing.

-William
www.William-Mac.com
www.ThisWeekinTime.com

williammac

31-01-2008, 08:07 AM

williammac

31-01-2008, 08:09 AM

The ground level people are not involved in much beyond local backhanders, they are just a bunch of selfish business men out to feather their own nest.

Why would you care what we think of you? You have to do what you think is right and not worry about others opinions, you are free remember.

Nothing wrong with asking other's opinions. Especially on a forum that, well, talks a lot about freemasonry as a conspiracy organization.

The interest primarily arose when I learned how a lot of past members of my family (most of which lived in rather small towns) were fairly high-ranking Masons.

As of right now, I don't think I'm even going to ask to join or whatever. It just seems REEAAALLLYYYY boring.

-William
www.William-Mac.com
www.ThisWeekinTime.com

sexi_co

31-01-2008, 05:33 PM

If you enjoy the prospect of hearing voices and demon possession... having your free will depleted until you become nothing more than a living zombie go ahead:
Go ahead join the masons (though I reckon you're already one)...

Yeah, like thats not happening to us all as it is!! lol

:cool::)

sir nob jerkoff

31-01-2008, 07:22 PM

As of right now, I don't think I'm even going to ask to join or whatever. It just seems REEAAALLLYYYY boring.

I hear things get a bit racier when they bring the goat in. :)

majicdragon

31-01-2008, 07:23 PM

Don't do it Billy Mac. Study them, but do not join them. Just starting to enjoy your vids. If you join, I'll have to think bad things about you... like that you're not telling me what's really going on in there because you decided you are enjoying all your new found lost-friends, and that you have decided to participate in their Double-think rituals.

Resist temptation william-mac.

Think of the time coming where shame would fill you for having done such a thing.

You probably already have a few things from which you need redemption. Do not then add to your iniquity by purposefully exploring the enemies den in order to partake with them of their evil.

It would be too late for you once you started to climb up into that hierarchy.

You would be compelled to keep up the climb so as not to have wasted all effort invested.

Stay with life william-mac. You're on top now; almost there. With all your seeking, do not seek your undoing.

armoured_amazon

31-01-2008, 07:24 PM

As of right now, I don't think I'm even going to ask to join or whatever. It just seems REEAAALLLYYYY boring.

LOL :D

chicken

31-01-2008, 07:42 PM

You never leave according to my research - if they think you are "fair game" - they might turn on you for no reason. I have also read that they are known as your "second family" so beware basically. They have a finger in almost every pie - and the institution is extremely corrupt.

They are running the mental health system, the fire, police, NHS and so on. I suggest that if you have children - stay away - upset a mason - and your family will pay for at least four generations.....They will want to help you if you are targetted, therefore they then become targets....by default

Then nobody can help you.... How do I know this, my parent was a mason. The real dealings are not done in some "masonic" hall. It is in the working mens clubs, snooker halls - whatever and wherever they meet socially.

It is criminal in nature - yes!! there are two sides to this organisation....one you see and one you do not. Double think, speak the works, nothing is what it seems. Pure illusion and deception.....They are masters at it. I also think that they have access to other occult groups as well as they do seem to come from the same source
http://highmajik.org.uk/whyhod.htm
http://murderingmasons.co.uk

Chicken

seanie

31-01-2008, 09:19 PM

Yeah i was asked to join when i was seventeen, but i think you have to be twenty one to join, I was given pamphlets and stuff, when 21 came around and i was asked again i refused. would be good for the contacts and that but i would just feel like a hypocrite.

kindgalaxy

31-01-2008, 09:57 PM

Several in my family are masons, one of my uncles took me to the highest point in New Castle, Australia one day to view the city, there we were standing next to a lovely Obelisk roughly 5 minutes from a freemason lodge, you could see the rooftop.
Throughout one of my other uncle's houses (he's been the mayor of a city for 14 years now), there are gifts and such including a wood-carved cabinet he received from his lodge.
Really, there is nothing spiritual, physical or emotional they can offer you. Sure, you could join them, but you won't grow and instead you will either waste your time or develop an understanding; both of which are dangerous results. You're better off studying and changing your life rather than join a group such as the Freemasons.
If you're going to go to any lodge, make it a Sweat Lodge; you might learn something about yourself.

intruder

31-01-2008, 10:05 PM

Are you SURE that you're ready to swear oaths whose ultimate ends remain shrouded in mystery? Sure...my parents next door neighbour is a member of the Scottish Rite and he's one of the kindest people you'll ever meet.
It's YOUR call my friend but I would think twice of swearing ANY oaths, let alone those sworn in a temple without windows.

intruder

31-01-2008, 10:11 PM

Read "The Hiram Key" which may encourage your entrance or inhibit it. For me, the thought of a man "raising me from the dead" in a temple without windows wreaks of self-righteous pageantry. IT's odd that an alleged "solar cult" prevents Sol's entrance into their temples...only the light of "man" illuminates them...the intellect.

intruder

01-02-2008, 12:10 AM

and that's one of the reasons for my screen name. For the longest time I have felt like an intruder on this planet. I feel like an intruder in the company of masons or any other clique purporting to "know", facilitate, etc.

mahabaratara

01-02-2008, 12:44 AM

Why...?

Rosicrucians are far far more interesting...:)

But the Templars have my fixation at the minute...

But I have found out monstrous information out myself the HARD way...

By myself...

dondaz

01-02-2008, 01:12 AM

Would you all hate me?

The real question is 'Would you hate yourself?'

Put it this way. You'd have to take down your vids, writings and links from your websites, channels, blogs etc and be brainwashed by them into making prapganda films for the nwo:eek:

That's just for starters.

Think of all the stick you'd get from us for not telling us any of those 'little secrets' that would transform our lives if we knew them:D

You'll get more enlightened by going through this: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Unless you go in under cover, of course!:cool:

steevo

01-02-2008, 01:12 AM

WilliamMac have you fallen in love with your captor ?

kblood

01-02-2008, 01:17 AM

I have had the same Idea Mac, and am still considering I guess. Problem is that it seems built up like any good terroist cell, you probably dont get to know those at the top, and many at the top might not even know who exactly each other are.

dondaz

01-02-2008, 01:50 AM

many at the top might not even know who exactly each other are.

Indeed!

cytro

01-02-2008, 03:22 AM

"The Sun and Moon shine when open and not when covered and Secrecy is the hallmark of false doctrines." Buddha

deathcultreject

01-02-2008, 01:19 PM

lenejento

01-02-2008, 02:10 PM

chicken

01-02-2008, 04:31 PM

I think a lot of the masons spiritual stuff was released by a renegade branch called the Golden Dawn.

This was pre MKULTRA so it might be free off all the mind control obsession and illness around freemasons and their sons.

That is how I understand it too - but big players from the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the Max Planck Institute as it is now known - were playing with hypnotism and the mind before MKULTRA. Lewin was the big player here.....

They went off to the SRI and MIT - both Tavistock based places in the USA

They were researching - "How to break a human" just after the first world war and Hitler came to England as well as Mengele and the others who were mixing with British nobility and part of the Golden Dawn crowd.

This is what set up the Tavi in the first place.....Was it Masonic yes very much so.

Its part of the Eugenics movement where we see it moving into the concept of assassination on a large scale.

I see the mind control stuff - just another way to get rid of someone nowadays. Its about percieved self-destruction.....Now that is masonic through and through as I see it. The implanted victims are basically walking time bombs - it is a matter of time......

chicken

deathcultreject

02-02-2008, 07:07 AM

I see the mind control stuff - just another way to get rid of someone nowadays. Its about percieved self-destruction.....Now that is masonic through and through as I see it. The implanted victims are basically walking time bombs - it is a matter of time......

chicken

I choose not to believe this.

Mind control involves a campaign of continued abuse which seems to have the agenda of keeping the targets frightened, confused and suggestable.

One of the effects of this is pessimism, and a sort of mind control hypochondria when the target doesn't remember what really has happened to them, and might even produce symptoms which resemble other forms of mind control real or otherwise.

chicken

03-02-2008, 12:14 PM

Alongside - silent assassination - or they "mind control" you take your own life. A form of Eugenics, social engineering. I am not a pessimist in real life - just fed up with being stalked and e-harassed.

That is me being normal and human. Am I frightened? not really. Am I confused? - in the begining, but applied logic to my thinking processes and came up with some ideas that were backed up with research and mixed it with what was happening to me. Applied it - intuition and wisdom in the same situation.

Of course I am constantly reassessing things as info is coming in - who wouldn't. You have to - some things were an instant truth - some not so. Still reassess those too.

Suggestible? Perhaps - but will look at a lot of things. Don't mean I believe it just cos someone suggested it, does it?

Hypochondria!! - Lol, :rolleyes: I've got a couple of moments of missed time - and see what was done, or possibly done. But that is all I can do. Have the evidence.....so it is not in my mind. Actual evidence backed up by an actual thing, reinforced by two people. That is one example -I understand what you are saying in the last sentence. I will need to think about that....
Chicken

kblood

03-02-2008, 12:50 PM

A David Icke reader wants to join the freemasons? I know following Ickes message of self-realization and love must seem like a feminine pussy route for you and that it would be much tougher, exciting and macho to go join the masons, anyway, good luck :D

Mmmm, feminine pussy route, that sounds alluring :D

I already wrote that I considered the same, I knew this guy who joined the masons to try and figure out what they really were about. He then got to do some kind of ritual where you had to go into a cathedral or whatever it was and face a cross. He had read that to do the ritual the right way, he had to spit on the cross, so he did. They congatulated those that didnt, and simply just kneeled at the cross or whatever they did. Afterwards however, he was the one getting pads on his back for making the right choice.

Somehow, his story is enough for me. I believe what he told me to be true, because I see no reason he should have lied. As I see it there is, as many have already said, better and faster ways to learn about what is really going on.

dann

03-02-2008, 04:21 PM

Mmmm, feminine pussy route, that sounds alluring :D

I already wrote that I considered the same, I knew this guy who joined the masons to try and figure out what they really were about. He then got to do some kind of ritual where you had to go into a cathedral or whatever it was and face a cross. He had read that to do the ritual the right way, he had to spit on the cross, so he did. They congatulated those that didnt, and simply just kneeled at the cross or whatever they did. Afterwards however, he was the one getting pads on his back for making the right choice.

Somehow, his story is enough for me. I believe what he told me to be true, because I see no reason he should have lied. As I see it there is, as many have already said, better and faster ways to learn about what is really going on.

sounds like bull to me, so the ritual was feemasonry or something else???:)

thelonious

06-02-2008, 08:10 PM

sounds like bull to me, so the ritual was feemasonry or something else???:)

It's a hoax, and it's been going around for a long time. It was what the Knights Templar were falsely accused of (spitting on a cross).

Obviously, there are no such things in Masonic ritual, just as there was no such thing in Templar ritual. Freemasonry is non-sectarian, and allows pretty much anybody in. What would be the point in having a Buddhist Mason spit on a cross? It would be like having a Methodist Mason spit on a picture of Vishnu, it wouldn't really mean anything.

chicken

08-02-2008, 08:12 PM

Freemasonry is non-sectarian, and allows pretty much anybody in.

that is what is worrying me......

h1s_l0rdsh1p

01-12-2008, 05:09 PM

It doesn't mean that just anyone can get in.

Williammac, if you are really thinking about it. That's fine.
To be honest with everyone, I'm being brought in this wensday night. I will be a mason.

But, It's not easy. My mother things I will bwe doing the devils work, and my girlfriend is hell bent on not wanting to know anything because she feels they might come after her if I was to piss someone off. Or her family... MILES AWAY!

All in all, it's not so secret. Yes, they have secrets, but it's not secret. I can tell you now, alot of the rituals are plays done around the person looking to be brought up a degree. They have a moral teaching to it, and it is up to the person to understand and/or realize what that moral teaching is. Once you've come to it, and have learned enough, you are brought up a degree. You are let in on secret teachings (which can be found anywhere to be honest), and Bob's your uncle.

That's not even secret. That's normal information.
The problem is, is that people are affraid of what they don't understand. It makes many of us uneasy to see some tribe eat the remains of a recently dead fellow tribesmen. And we can call them savages and kill them and enslave them like we did in the past. Or, we can actually ask why.
But what if they told you that they weren't allowed to tell you? Instead, you had to shut up, and listen and watch what is being done and said. If a person can have enough respect to listen like a student and learn, you'd realize that they have a spiritual setting around it, and that it is a holy thing for them to do.

Now, no one in a masons' lodge is eatting people(at least to the best of my knowledge). But this is how it is. You must listen, and watch, and make choices in your own mind about what you are seeing, and keep understanding.

keystone

01-12-2008, 05:28 PM

To be honest with everyone, I'm being brought in this wensday night. I will be a mason.Then you'll be in a good position to make your own judgement.

But, It's not easy. My mother things I will bwe doing the devils work, and my girlfriend is hell bent on not wanting to know anything because she feels they might come after her if I was to piss someone off. Or her family... MILES AWAY!Been there, done that. They'll learn in time that this is irrational thinking.

All in all, it's not so secret. Yes, they have secrets, but it's not secret. I can tell you now, alot of the rituals are plays done around the person looking to be brought up a degree. They have a moral teaching to it, and it is up to the person to understand and/or realize what that moral teaching is. Once you've come to it, and have learned enough, you are brought up a degree. You are let in on secret teachings (which can be found anywhere to be honest), and Bob's your uncle.

That's not even secret. That's normal information.
The problem is, is that people are affraid of what they don't understand. It makes many of us uneasy to see some tribe eat the remains of a recently dead fellow tribesmen. And we can call them savages and kill them and enslave them like we did in the past. Or, we can actually ask why.
But what if they told you that they weren't allowed to tell you? Instead, you had to shut up, and listen and watch what is being done and said. If a person can have enough respect to listen like a student and learn, you'd realize that they have a spiritual setting around it, and that it is a holy thing for them to do.You got it!

Now, no one in a masons' lodge is eatting people(at least to the best of my knowledge).Funnily enough you are spot on.

But this is how it is. You must listen, and watch, and make choices in your own mind about what you are seeing, and keep understanding.Exactly. Enjoy Wednesday.

h1s_l0rdsh1p

01-12-2008, 07:46 PM

Exactly. Enjoy Wednesday.

Thanks, I will do.

Only problem is getting a black suit or tux for the event.
Think they'll notice if I rent one?

keystone

01-12-2008, 07:59 PM

Thanks, I will do.

Only problem is getting a black suit or tux for the event.
Think they'll notice if I rent one?Nah.

barney_rubble

01-12-2008, 08:00 PM

Thanks, I will do.

Only problem is getting a black suit or tux for the event.
Think they'll notice if I rent one?

Congrats h1s_l0rdsh1p.

Do come back and relate (what yo can) of your experience.
I am not sure of how much you have read prior to your decision to join,
but you may (or may not) find what you have read was a load of --.

Anyway enjoy your evening - keep your eyes and ears open - and try to let it all sink in. You will no doubt have a number of questions after your initiation.

I am sure someone at your Mother Lodge will answer them for you - This is your best resource. But there are a number of good forums out there - including this one surprisingly enough! (sorry Lizzy)

h1s_l0rdsh1p

01-12-2008, 08:06 PM

Congrats h1s_l0rdsh1p.

Do come back and relate (what yo can) of your experience.
I am not sure of how much you have read prior to your decision to join,
but you may (or may not) find what you have read was a load of --.

Anyway enjoy your evening - keep your eyes and ears open - and try to let it all sink in. You will no doubt have a number of questions after your initiation.

I am sure someone at your Mother Lodge will answer them for you - This is your best resource. But there are a number of good forums out there - including this one surprisingly enough! (sorry Lizzy)

Thank you.

I know I'm really going to have to listen well.
First off, it's going to be in dutch, but english is my first language. So this should be fun.
Secondly, I'm going to be the youngest member the lodge has ever brought in. 23 years old. Before me, the youngest was 28, or 29.
So, it's me in a lodge where the average age is 50. This I feel comfortable about. I've always like older people more than people my own age. My grandfathers doing, don't ask. :-P

lizzy

01-12-2008, 08:10 PM

Congrats h1s_l0rdsh1p.

Do come back and relate (what yo can) of your experience.
I am not sure of how much you have read prior to your decision to join,
but you may (or may not) find what you have read was a load of --.

Anyway enjoy your evening - keep your eyes and ears open - and try to let it all sink in. You will no doubt have a number of questions after your initiation.

I am sure someone at your Mother Lodge will answer them for you - This is your best resource. But there are a number of good forums out there - including this one surprisingly enough! (sorry Lizzy)

That's OK barney.....new recruits from the David Icke Freekmason Forum..

I hope his lordship enjoys it.......it's a bit like changing to the winning side...

I can't do that....never could , never will......

h1s_l0rdsh1p

01-12-2008, 08:17 PM

That's OK barney.....new recruits from the David Icke Freekmason Forum..

I hope his lordship enjoys it.......it's a bit like changing to the winning side...

I can't do that....never could , never will......

There's no sides.

That's what I never got.

You want to different perspectives of good and evil?
Here's the esoteric one that some have heard. "Evil is merely the Shadow of Good".
If good didn't exsist there couldn't be any evil. Evil exsist only because of good. And if you've done any real research into the Freemasons, then you would know where I'm quoting from.
How about this one. This something a gorilla once said (hope you are literate enough to know the book I'm speaking of):
If Adam was to eat from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, it would go through his system and would never effect him. But what if he decieved himself into believing that he knew the difference?"

Now, what Adam says to himself in this story, may or may not be true, but this is how every human being see's good and evil.
"That which I can justify doing, must be good. And that which I can not justify doing, must be evil."

And this is how many of you think today. You only see good and evil and justifications. What if it's more complex than that? What if, our galaxy was made by two coliding galaxies? We are here now. We feel good. But what if beings lived on planets in those two galaxies? Seems pretty unfair, uh? Their homes have to be destroyed for us to live?
But we don't know the story. Only the highest being knows, and they are the one which decides what is good and what is evil, not you.

So, if you have a problem, fine. But think before you speak.

barney_rubble

01-12-2008, 08:45 PM

Thank you.

I know I'm really going to have to listen well.
First off, it's going to be in dutch, but english is my first language. So this should be fun.
Secondly, I'm going to be the youngest member the lodge has ever brought in. 23 years old. Before me, the youngest was 28, or 29.
So, it's me in a lodge where the average age is 50. This I feel comfortable about. I've always like older people more than people my own age. My grandfathers doing, don't ask. :-P

Ohhh - yougest guy in the lodge - Fresh Meat!

Sorry I could not resist.

Actually this reminds me of an episode of Family Guy -"No Chris Left Behind",
where Chris joins a "Secret Society" to get ahead in school. Actually this is a funny episode all around, but there is a funny bit about "fresh meat" near the end. A link to the full episode is below at about 18:53 is the part I am speaking of. (Sorry - this is the only site I could find with this clip)

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzkwNDE1OTY=.html

Note: This episode has one of the famous "chicken cight' scenes.

mike martin

01-12-2008, 09:34 PM

You're not the first and I doubt you'll be the last.

I just hope you don't think you're going to find yourself a member of something like what you read here. You'll be seriously disappointed if you do.

Mike

lizzy

01-12-2008, 09:42 PM

There's no sides.

That's what I never got.

You want to different perspectives of good and evil?
Here's the esoteric one that some have heard. "Evil is merely the Shadow of Good".
If good didn't exsist there couldn't be any evil. Evil exsist only because of good. And if you've done any real research into the Freemasons, then you would know where I'm quoting from.
How about this one. This something a gorilla once said (hope you are literate enough to know the book I'm speaking of):
If Adam was to eat from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, it would go through his system and would never effect him. But what if he decieved himself into believing that he knew the difference?"

Now, what Adam says to himself in this story, may or may not be true, but this is how every human being see's good and evil.
"That which I can justify doing, must be good. And that which I can not justify doing, must be evil."

And this is how many of you think today. You only see good and evil and justifications. What if it's more complex than that? What if, our galaxy was made by two coliding galaxies? We are here now. We feel good. But what if beings lived on planets in those two galaxies? Seems pretty unfair, uh? Their homes have to be destroyed for us to live?
But we don't know the story. Only the highest being knows, and they are the one which decides what is good and what is evil, not you.

So, if you have a problem, fine. But think before you speak.

You are young and have a long way to go.....I hope this secret society helps you on your travels......whilst climbing jacob's ladder remember to listen to your heart not your wallet...........(the guise of friendship can also be false)