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chattanova

24-01-2008, 08:05 PM

Teleportation: Fact Or Fiction?

Making someone vanish in New York and appear an instant later in Tokyo is way beyond current technology but just might be possible in the far future, physicists told an audience at MIT attending a preview and panel discussion about the movie Jumper on Wednesday.

Actor Hayden Christensen and director Doug Liman were at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, US, to show scenes from the upcoming movie and to discuss it with physicists Max Tegmark and Edward Farhi.

In the film, a young man played by Christensen discovers he has the ability to instantly teleport himself across the globe. He uses the ability to rob a bank before getting caught up in a war pitting other "jumpers" like himself against a group that wants to kill them. Click on the image below to watch the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWdI1D1DoOM

I was expecting the physicists to say that trying to teleport something as complex as a human being would be totally out of the question. So I was surprised when they said they wouldn't rule it out, even if it is way beyond current technology.

Physicists have teleported individual particles of light called photons across distances of more than 3 kilometres, according to Farhi (below, right), who heads MIT's Center for Theoretical Physics, and have also teleported particles of matter such as electrons.

He said that it should not be too difficult to increase the distances to thousands of kilometres or even interstellar distances, but that teleporting something as complicated as a human, as opposed to single particles, would be much more difficult.

"That really is pretty far down the line," he said. "A living creature probably has 1030 [1 followed by 30 zeros] particles in it … and to get all the information about that to some distant location looks really pretty formidable. I cannot see that as something in the reasonable future."

Farhi also pointed out two limitations of this technique, which is called quantum teleportation. One is that it requires particles to be sent ahead of time to the location you want to teleport to. These particles are what take on your essence to reconstruct you in this location when you are teleported. Secondly, even quantum teleportation takes time – the signal that carries the information used to reconstruct you cannot move faster than the speed of light. However, if it were one day possible to teleport a person, down to the quantum state of each of their atoms, he said the teleported person at point B should have exactly the same thoughts and memories as the person whose quantum state was destroyed at point A.

The other physicist on the panel, Max Tegmark (above, left), pointed out another possible way to transport things quickly across space-time. The laws of physics allow for the existence of "wormholes", which are distortions in the fabric of space that can link two distant locations.

If you could build and take such a shortcut, you could go faster than the speed of light and also time travel, Tegmark said. Unfortunately, he says, the trip could be quite gruelling, as wormholes tend to be quite unstable. "It could collapse into a black hole," he said, "which would be kind of a bummer."

Tegmark later asked Christensen how scientists could be more helpful to filmmakers. "Watch Jumper, get inspired by it, and get to work and figure [teleportation] out," he replied.

Given Christensen's previous role in the Star Wars series, the physicists were also asked to compare the scientific realism of that series with that of Jumper. "I would guess that you would have a light sabre weapon before you will teleport a person," Farhi said. Tegmark wondered how one would build a light sabre: "The only hard part about the light sabre is getting the laser beam to stop."

A few clips of Jumper were shown. I wasn't expecting anything great, because I had not been impressed by the trailer, which seemed higher on enthusiasm than impact. But the scenes we saw developed the story more and did a better job of drawing me in, even if they still seemed a little cheesy in places.

I have my doubts about whether teleportation of people will ever become a reality. The speed of light is pretty fast, and as Tegmark said, if you don't want to go faster than that, there are easier ways to travel, using vehicles propelled by the annihilation of matter with antimatter, for example.

Having said that, I don't have a problem with a far-fetched premise if it makes for an enjoyable movie. I'm hoping Jumper will take the teleportation idea in interesting directions, but that remains to be seen.

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/space/2008/01/teleportation-fact-or-fiction.html

clipwip

25-01-2008, 12:37 AM

Jumproom to Mars :
A Conversation with David Wilcock

http://www.projectcamelot.org/david_wilcock.html

The "jumproom" is teleportation. I don't think it's that far in the future.

greenleaf

25-01-2008, 06:51 PM

yngwie

25-01-2008, 08:08 PM

Well they have mapped the DNA and also managed to clone...now it would be down to sending that vast amount of data to teleport.. or would ot actually be rebuilding a new (instant cloning) meaning you have to in effect kill the original.

Surely it's only a clone if the original guy is still out there? If the original guy is "killed" in the process, what does that make the "rebuilt" guy?

Man.. Star Trek is mass murder :D

asentinel

22-03-2008, 06:43 AM

Jumproom to Mars :
A Conversation with David Wilcock

http://www.projectcamelot.org/david_wilcock.html

The "jumproom" is teleportation. I don't think it's that far in the future.

I just saw the movie Jumper, then watched that vid by David Wilcock,

Has anyone read about the passing of Arthur C Clarke in the last few days. He was 90 and just edited his last book days before he died, called "The Final Theorem". Also he spoke about something coming (if it's not already here) called a "Space Elevator", and David W talked about the room being like an elevator, you walk in, for personnel only, and the door opens in another realm. I think this is also linked to Blade Runner, where they have off-world (upgraded genetically) clones with use-by dates to perform what humans cannot or would not. What if there is a base on Mars creating clones which cannot be allowed to be created on earth? Also reference Garry McKinnon, the brit hacker, spoke about finding evidence of a military group who are based off-world, he saw payroll numbers for these people. These are all flashing at me lately.

Anyone else been reading about this?

:rolleyes:

by the way, Clarke was ex Royal RAF, worked with radar in WW2. He was linked with Gene Roddenberry (also Ex US Navy) , who created Star Trek.

red_ram

22-03-2008, 04:50 PM

zero1

22-03-2008, 09:39 PM

Consciousness is everywhere. As soon as you become aware in your minds eye of a location, you simply view it remotely, pick an unoccupied space, and switch places from wherever you are, to there. Simple as that.

amethyst

23-03-2008, 12:00 AM

cheeney1

23-03-2008, 12:29 PM

Its Facts Its Here Now .....http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3811785.stm.........;)

cheeney1

23-03-2008, 12:44 PM

It Won't be Long Until we Will Be Able To do This........:D

http://www.floridalawfirm.com/star.trek.transporter.jpg

aerosteelzero

26-03-2008, 12:04 AM

Meditation is the key to "teleportation" or also referred to as materialization. Read the Autobiography of a Yogi to learn more. The potential is within everyone.

2013

26-03-2008, 02:18 AM

O.K. well, this was mentioned in the book of Acts chapter 8: 38-40..about a guy named Philip....yes....in what we know as the Bible......that a lot seem to say is just a "myth" but just has lot of interesting parallels to today's cutting edge science. It talks about how this "Phillip" guy was in one place and then was caught up by the Spirit and "carried' maybe "beamed" "zapped" to another town.

Anyone can read it.....since what David Icke was describing and also the other "David" Wilcock also talks about is so very similar

Hey, I'm just looking at "connections"....

So why couldn't it not happen today?

Bi location i think it is called and certain saints where said to be able to perform it .Being in two different places at the same time .Also a famous Indian medicine man was supposed to of done this and was photographed in two different places at he same time but i dont have a link for it and if did it wouldn't prove anything necessarily:D

asentinel

26-03-2008, 12:48 PM

?:eek:

eternal_spirit

26-03-2008, 02:03 PM

It Won't be Long Until we Will Be Able To do This........:D

http://www.floridalawfirm.com/star.trek.transporter.jpg

Teleportation: fact or fiction?

People would of laughed at the idea that most of us would be walking around with mobile phones, that look a bit like the one's they used back in the early days of Star Trek, so who know maybe they can do this teleporation stuff allready, or are close to doing so.:eek:

thirdwave

27-03-2008, 01:31 AM

Teleportation: fact or fiction?

People would of laughed at the idea that most of us would be walking around with mobile phones, that look a bit like the one's they used back in the early days of Star Trek, so who know maybe they can do this teleporation stuff allready, or are close to doing so.:eek:

Maybe Wilcock is right...

empyblessing

27-03-2008, 02:13 AM

Wouldn't the stargate interfere with teleportation as well?

kha zarr

30-03-2008, 06:10 AM

How about natural places, like this:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/stargate/stargate10.htm

I never read that commander x invisibility/teleportation book, and have no idea how real that method can be. Akasha Giri yogi [Naruse yoga] wrote a book about how to levitate [in lotus] and its really intereseting to me. I've not been successful yet ;) course its only for short range floating type stuff, nothing like bilocation or anything. I have a bit of trouble wrapping my head around it - although ive dreamt once, where I was in two dreams at once though [definitely different].

kblood

23-04-2008, 09:58 AM

Meditation is the key to "teleportation" or also referred to as materialization. Read the Autobiography of a Yogi to learn more. The potential is within everyone.

I once did it with the help of an audiance and a person to help it happen. I teleported from a little closed and locked room onto a stage. I had a friend of mine ask the audience to wish me there, and suddenly I was there. Even before I wanted to.

From my experiences I actually believe that everything technology can do, we can do with our mind. And this is also why I believe it is true when "alien conctees" and other people who claim to have been in contact with higher conciousness, say that some aliens or special beings make UFOs with their mind. They dont build them, they just materialise them.

What is interesting is how these UFOs are able to do the things that we can do with our mind, with the press of a few buttons or however they are controlled.

cyberdaemon

08-05-2008, 07:01 PM

I actually seen once someone "vanish" in front of my eyes.I dont know if that was hallucination or not , but in same or similar manner than they "vanish" in the movie.And it was years before the movie was released.There was other person in front of her , but he never disappeared.

kblood

08-05-2008, 07:08 PM

In Totnes I used saw that I have used teleportation many times, and even through time. I could of course only have done this with the help from all the beings, humans and otherwise, that helped me on my journey through life.

This year I had a very nice time in Totnes, and I met many nice people. It seems I will meet many more interesting people the next time I decide to travel by plane or otherwise, to reach a destination that might be somewhere I havent been to yet. Maybe even in another time ;)

Keeping pictures of places you would like to go, or even just good memories, makes it possible to teleport sometimes with just your mind. If you have the right connections that is ;)

I saw this in the movie called Jumper.

cyberdaemon

08-05-2008, 07:20 PM

I would love to teleport WITHOUT help from technology and without having to concentrate too much.Just like walk in a park.

friendsinthesky

09-05-2008, 10:42 AM

A friends friend once told me of a very interesting occurance that happend to her.

She was driving along the freeway when a truck in front of her jackknifed and flipped onto it's side. With her and other traffic right behind the truck and about to collide, she then found herself on the other side of the truck. She said "it's like I passed straight through it". This has her troubled, but she has a great aura.

kblood

09-05-2008, 11:26 AM

I would love to teleport WITHOUT help from technology and without having to concentrate too much.Just like walk in a park.

To some that is how it happens. Then you know it is divine interference ;)

edd77

29-05-2008, 03:06 PM

So how much energy would it take to say teleport one electron or one atom?

delamo1999

24-07-2008, 10:04 PM

I think it's eminently possible.

Like David said "You are already point A and you are already point B so why do you need an airplane to move between them?"

One day, we will find the ability to make ourselves appear anywhere at will, without the complicated and bullshit laws of science that say it's not possible.

It's interesting you mention Jumper, because I had just finshed reading Time Loop when it came out and thought how much it had to do with synchronicity.

I totally believe that this is possible and we are not far off from being able to do it. I heard somewhere that there are a group of people living in Idaho who have done teleportation by themselves. Unfortunately I do not have the source where I read this. There are some people on You tube who claim to have done it.

By the way, I loved the movie Jumper!!!!!

:)

cyberdaemon

29-07-2008, 09:48 PM

I totally believe that this is possible and we are not far off from being able to do it. I heard somewhere that there are a group of people living in Idaho who have done teleportation by themselves. Unfortunately I do not have the source where I read this. There are some people on You tube who claim to have done it.

By the way, I loved the movie Jumper!!!!!

:)

There are many stories about people going trough wormholes and waking up in totally different place/era , but is there anything more to that i dont know... :rolleyes:

asentinel

03-03-2009, 03:24 AM

who survive unharmed when all around them is devastation. I have personally experienced a couple of potential disasters where time seems to slow down and actions seem automatic, without conscious reasoning, and you are "returned" back to present time-line with unexpected lack of damage.

I think these more sohisticated skill things are probably within our potential, but as yet mostly shut off from our present dna structure.

Cant wait to be more hooked up to it.

asentinel

03-03-2009, 05:11 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlomn1Hc_VM&feature=PlayList&p=3031D90C1195AEB3&index=4

rhydra

04-03-2009, 10:25 PM

Teleportation seems to me like a copy and the shredding of the original as it is being copied. A "you" would appear with the same thoughts, character, memory and body, at the intended direction but you, yourself would step into a box, press a button then proceed to be dismembered atom by atom. I can't see that being hugely pleasant.

Edit, having said that maybe that's not how it would be, perhaps like opening some door to the destination, but maybe we would never know until it's actually done.

zero1

04-03-2009, 10:59 PM

They already have quantum teleportation - digital teleportation is the next big step. When they learn how to do that with matter (ie. low-vibrance soundwaves) then we'll soon all be teleporting about the place - or, as is more likely, the military will keep it a secret for advantage in war. :( Oh well, nothing ever works out like it's meant to, does it? sigh

tonak

05-03-2009, 08:31 AM

phildee3

05-03-2009, 12:37 PM

I think it's eminently possible.

Like David said "You are already point A and you are already point B so why do you need an airplane to move between them?"

One day, we will find the ability to make ourselves appear anywhere at will,

"We" do not "make ourselves appear" at all.
It is the observer who "makes" himself observe you.

We are already in multiple positions.

What we need to do is to observe ourselves in the place where we will to be -
then others, to whom we are connected, will automatically observe us there also.

Some people do this.
It's not something just for the future.
We already have that ability.

phildee3

05-03-2009, 12:40 PM

Look up the Philadelphia Experiment. A very unique ship was spotted in different bays on the same day that it could have never reached. At the end of the day people were found melted to the hull of the ship. Theres alot more but that is all i can remember.

This was the science method, not mind.

I don't think they can be seperated when it comes to teleportation.
I think you'll find that the Philadelphia experiment very much involved mind.

anahata

05-03-2009, 01:12 PM

Yeah I only heard about the philadelphia experiment the other day, certainly interesting. Boy, was I ribbed about that when I tried to discuss it at work!!?! :rolleyes: *zips mouth shut*

rhydra

05-03-2009, 07:51 PM

Ah, just had one of those flashes, literally. Just though if it while reading. A teleportation device turned into a deadly weapon. I have been sceptical of nuclear weaponry, it just doesn't ring true, the tests sites can be visited and Japanese Cities were not uninhabitable, where was the fallout?

Simple, or rather elegant solution. A small teleportation device attached to a casing, carried by an aircraft. The "bomb" drops, the teleportation device is activated to open up a gate to a point in space, deep in the sun. The energy coming out of the gate is only short lived, a fraction of a second, enough to cause shadows of people who have been vaporised and melt pottery.

The energy then creates a huge vacuum which is then filled with the burning oxygen which then rises, sucking up the debris into the classic mushroom cloud.

The Manhattan project was part of the Philadelphia experiment.

phildee3

06-03-2009, 09:10 AM

The Manhattan project was part of the Philadelphia experiment.

No.
The Philadelphia experiment was part of the Manhattan project.

john connor

06-03-2009, 01:59 PM

Scientists have come a bit closer to achieving the "Star Trek" feat of teleportation.

No one is galaxy-hopping, or even beaming people around, but for the first time, information has been teleported between two separate atoms across a distance of a meter — about a yard.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482264,00.html

rhydra

06-03-2009, 07:26 PM

No.
The Philadelphia experiment was part of the Manhattan project.

That's what I mean to put, it somehow got the wrong way round. :o

kblood

25-05-2009, 08:51 PM

Some papers that have been released by the US:

http://fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf

Here is a someone who read the whole thing an have quoted some of it:

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive.../t-142874.html

Seems like official research into teleportation.

gods sun

26-05-2009, 06:54 PM

of course its fact they had this in the stone age.

penguin

26-05-2009, 08:49 PM

The Problem with Teleportation :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQZzSrAIp-E

bobenglish

22-06-2009, 07:38 AM

Teleportation by necessity would involve shifting dimensions, wouldn't it?

I mean, you would have to leave the 3rd dimension to move to a different point in the 3rd dimension without moving THROUGH the 3rd dimension.

So wouldn't teleportation involve some sort of higher dimensional visualization process, either through mathematics, computers or brains?

anonymous01201

22-06-2009, 08:19 AM

Abstract: This study was tasked with the purpose of collecting information describing the teleportation of material objects, providing a description of teleportation as it occurs in physics, its theoretical and experimental status, and a projection of potential applications. The study also consisted of a search for teleportation phenomena occurring naturally or under laboratory conditions that can be assembled into a model describing the conditions required to accomplish the transfer of objects. This included a review and documentation of quantum teleportation, its theoretical basis, technological development, and its potential applications. The characteristics of teleportation were defined and physical theories were evaluated in terms of their ability to completely describe the phenomena. Contemporary physics, as well as theories that presently challenge the current physics paradigm were investigated. The author identified and proposed two unique physics models for teleportation that are based on the manipulation of either the general relativistic spacetime metric or the spacetime vacuum electromagnetic (zero-point fluctuations) parameters. Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. The author proposes an additional model for teleportation that is based on a combination of the experimental results from the previous government studies and advanced physics concepts. Numerous recommendations outlining proposals for further theoretical and experimental studies are given in the report. The report also includes an extensive teleportation bibliography

View the report here:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:-EtqinUeamcJ:www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf+teleportation+physics+study&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

foobar

07-08-2009, 04:37 PM

zero1

07-08-2009, 07:27 PM

Only in science fiction. You can't really do this.

We live in a different reality code to what would otherwise be normally possible. We live in a timespace so dense and vibrantly slow that, as you say, such things are only "science-fiction", but in religion there is expressed the hope that the world may be one day restored to its former glory. And what is "science-fiction" today, as one might consider teleportation, can quickly become a reality through machines. We are already seeing this; if it came out that there were already workable teleportation devices in this world, unbeknownst to the masses and for the 'elite' only, would you be surprised? I wouldn't.

liquidswords

08-08-2009, 04:49 PM

I wish this is/was possible. I just fancy sitting on a beach in the Maldives right now.

foobar

09-08-2009, 11:47 AM

; if it came out that there were already workable teleportation devices in this world, unbeknownst to the masses and for the 'elite' only, would you be surprised? I wouldn't.

Yes, I'd be very surprised. I don't believe that classified science projects are as far advanced beyond what's taught in universities as many on this forum. There would have to be a parallel education system which taught 'real' physics which is completely hidden from all the people studying physics at ordinary universities. I don't see any evidence for it.

rapunzel

09-08-2009, 04:21 PM

From Hitchikers Guide I think:

I teleported home one night with Ron and Sid and Meg,
Ron stole Meggie's heart away, and I got Sidney's leg."

supersmell

10-08-2009, 02:52 AM

We live in a different reality code to what would otherwise be normally possible. We live in a timespace so dense and vibrantly slow that, as you say, such things are only "science-fiction", but in religion there is expressed the hope that the world may be one day restored to its former glory. And what is "science-fiction" today, as one might consider teleportation, can quickly become a reality through machines. We are already seeing this; if it came out that there were already workable teleportation devices in this world, unbeknownst to the masses and for the 'elite' only, would you be surprised? I wouldn't.
Now we're talking fantasy.

rodin

15-08-2009, 11:10 PM

Teleportation impossible. You cannot deconstruct bonds, turn atoms into energy, pass though space at speed of light then reconstruct again. Its just scifi

David Wilcox comes over like a charlatan who goes on about ascension and quantum consciousness using experiments like double slit to support his theories. From what I have seen his pseudio science is not credible. Channeling Edgar Cayce looks like a stunt to me.

I must admit I don't get this kundalini stuff though some swear by it. Open minded on spiritual matters, but I know good from evil. Some New Agers I know are in it to 'ascend' and leave lower vibrationals behind which strikes me as a false promise and also somewhat selfish.

I want to debate this area from an objective viewpoint sometime

phildee3

15-08-2009, 11:30 PM

Teleportation impossible. You cannot deconstruct bonds, turn atoms into energy, pass though space at speed of light then reconstruct again. Its just scifi

Yes, I think you're right about doing it that way!
But it can be done by folding spacetime.

onesixty

18-08-2009, 07:24 AM

apparently there are stargates in the deserts of iraq that are meant to be from the times of Mesopotamia - dont have a clue if its true but wouldnt be surprised if it was - same with the Egyptian the believed that when they die n get placed in there tombs there bodys will go out of this world or something along them lines

foobar

19-08-2009, 08:04 PM

woodelf

19-08-2009, 10:25 PM

as i hear it, they teleport on saturn and jupiter and have for ages...
www.soundcurrentrider.com
and i figure it must be the way the solitary populace on uranus get their food, also...