Our Genetic Creation

[floyd]

Howdy all

your thoughts please:
If we were created by this fourth dimensional race, for their benefit, why all this hassle to bring about their goals - the domination of us as their slaves.
Why, if they are so technologically superior, didnt they just enslave us to begin with and be done with it. Even now, again with their technology, dont they just "zap" us/mind control us to do what they want in an instant instead of going through all this time and effort to achieve their aims? Seems strange to me, what are your thoughts?

[tru3]

Howdy all

your thoughts please:
If we were created by this fourth dimensional race, for their benefit, why all this hassle to bring about their goals - the domination of us as their slaves.
Why, if they are so technologically superior, didnt they just enslave us to begin with and be done with it. Even now, again with their technology, dont they just "zap" us/mind control us to do what they want in an instant instead of going through all this time and effort to achieve their aims? Seems strange to me, what are your thoughts?

well, i hope these are not rhetorical questions.


i guess it depends on what theory you believe on what the origin of the human race is, but i don't think they can create Life, they can only twist it to suit their purposes.

everybody talks about "the matrix" movies, but i see "the island" as another piece of the puzzle.

this theory is that we are Consciousness. they wanted just blobs of energy to feed on, but unfortunately that wouldn't work, so they had to take their chances with us.

either that, or we all are kind of in this thing together, know what i mean? we all dreamt up this little dreamworld together. there really aren't any reppies out there, there's only mass guilt and delusion projected outwards.

maybe neither of those. :)

[gaussito]

Howdy all

your thoughts please:
If we were created by this fourth dimensional race, for their benefit, why all this hassle to bring about their goals - the domination of us as their slaves.
Why, if they are so technologically superior, didnt they just enslave us to begin with and be done with it. Even now, again with their technology, dont they just "zap" us/mind control us to do what they want in an instant instead of going through all this time and effort to achieve their aims? Seems strange to me, what are your thoughts?
Hi Floyd, well I think they have actually enslaved us for many, many years, but the fact that we think that we are free and control our lives makes us more "productive" for their goals. In the present time, the main problems for them are two. First, the global "reset" of the planet, which is coming soon, and eventually may accelerate a waking up process in many enslaved minds, and second, we are two many, and they, for some reason, are outnumbered to control all the "cattle". That's what I understand from David and other's work...

Keep fighting, for our minds...

[floyd]

thanks for the feedback - but i dont see the point in them dragging it all along if they have the power to control us without all the fanfare!! If it were ismply a matter of us thinking we are free, well from what ive read, they would have thechnology to make us believe this in any given scenario anyway, so just dosent make sens why they dont just overthrow us completely in an instant and get on with their goals - there is obviously much more to it than we could ever know, so im not arguing for the sake of it, just wanted to point out what i see as an anomoly in the storyline!!!

[ho1ogram]

Did they create us from scratch? Or is our present state a manipulation on their part from what we used to be? I'm going with the latter for the moment, which means they haven't created us but merely taken advantage of our ignorance. They go to so much trouble to enslave us with complicated rituals and baroque structures of mind control because they need to hide their existence from the population. Once we know they are there, we can bring them into the light and expose them for what they are. Nothing.
We are their food source, they don't want to kill us. But to feed on us they must remain hidden. They can't zap us because it violates our free will so they have to encourage and spook us into zapping each other. They need us to do the dirty work. That is why they don't enslave us but rather we ere engaged in enslaving ourselves.

I have trouble putting the ideas into my own words, so here is an extract on the matter:

There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me! The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with fear of being discovered any minute now."

"I know that even though you have never experienced hunger," he went on, "you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any minute now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."

He explained that sorcerers see infant human beings as strange luminous balls of energy, covered from the top to the bottom with a glowing coat, something like a plastic cover that is adjusted tightly over their cocoon of energy. He said that that glowing coat of awareness was what the predators consumed, and that when a human being reached adulthood, all that was left of that glowing coat of awareness was a narrow fringe that went from the ground to the top of the toes. That fringe permitted mankind to continue living, but only barely.

He then made the most damaging statement he had made so far. He said that this narrow fringe of awareness was the epicenter of self-reflection, where man is irremediably caught. By playing on our self-refection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudoconcerns.
http://www.harmonymindbodyspirit.com/archives/predator.shtml

I think all this 'time and effort to achieve their aims' is actually us creating the pseudoconcerns of our lives that keep them fed and us enslaved.

I think we may be a part of infinite consiousness; the unknowable and undestructable. There does seem to be some rules to this 'game'. Otherewise, as you asked, why don't they just remove all possibility of us discovering them? Surely they could have completely overtaken us by now? But no, I think they can't violate our free will but they can take advantage of our ignorance. It is our free will that let's them have us. We make the choices to ignore them and our own connection to God/Infinite love or what ever term you like to use.
(I do have questions about the 'God' aspect though. From Don Juan's teachings I think maybe there are just infinite dimensions and we aren't necassarily infinite love)

This might be of help to you as well:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1748

It's hard to express this stuff. Hope it helps.

[tru3]

wow. thanks for the quote, ho1ogram. nice work.

I think we may be a part of infinite consiousness; the unknowable and undestructable. There does seem to be some rules to this 'game'. Otherewise, as you asked, why don't they just remove all possibility of us discovering them? Surely they could have completely overtaken us by now? But no, I think they can't violate our free will but they can take advantage of our ignorance. It is our free will that let's them have us. We make the choices to ignore them and our own connection to God/Infinite love or what ever term you like to use.
(I do have questions about the 'God' aspect though. From Don Juan's teachings I think maybe there are just infinite dimensions and we aren't necassarily infinite love)

the keys to the kingdom also fit in the lock of the prison. it depends on which door we choose. ;)

and you could be right about infinite love. i guess that goes back to what definition of love one chooses.

[tinmenace]

We're their energy source, and we do all their labor for them. An entire race of workers. That's what we were genetically engineered for to begin with....to toil in the mines.

Rothschild calls us serfs. I think this says it all.

[ho1ogram]

We're their energy source, and we do all their labor for them. An entire race of workers. That's what we were genetically engineered for to begin with....to toil in the mines.


If so it leads to more questions.

Did they genetically engineer us from scratch? If so then they are our creator. If they didn't make us from scratch what were we before they tampered with us? And who made them?

[siliconpsychosis]

I get the impression that the reptiles engineered the human body but not the consciousness that resides within. But by also setting up global systems of control, ie through religion, banking etc, they then trap consciousness through our lives and beyond. People die and then there consciousness either slips back into this reality but in another body, or into another dimension controlled by the reptilians, such as heaven or hell, or even another lifeform on another planet. I guess the reptilians have permeated a multitude of dimensions that consciousness may exist within. I expect the reptilians have engineered all sorts of consciousness bearing vessels throughout many universes. Humanity on planet Earth could be one of millions of their experiments, all ultimately designed to ensnare consciousness.

[father ted]

If so it leads to more questions.

Did they genetically engineer us from scratch? If so then they are our creator. If they didn't make us from scratch what were we before they tampered with us? And who made them?

I think we are part nordic and part "original native species" (neanderthals?), which is the general consensous, but I, like Icke and only a few others in this field, also think that there is a third element, the reptillian gene in us. Exept the reptillian gene is a major recessive gene, and we only have a little bit of this left, and part of it lies dormant. Unless you're illuminati bloodline, which means that you have a certain more of the reptillian gene.

Icke mentioned in one of his books that there might have been another species involved (on top of the other ones) to create the asian race, I think from orion of origin.

Of course, there might be other species involved in all races, but there are those three main ones; nordic, original humans, and reptillians. Some of the characteristics of races might mean that there were other types of species involved exclusively to them, and I find that prospect interesting.

What I also find an interest of topic is who the original native human species of Earth might have been, or do look like. Credo Mutwa said that there are 24 species of humanoids.

[tinmenace]

Did they genetically engineer us from scratch?

No, they took a primitive homonid that already was here, slowly evolving, minding it's own business, and mixed their OWN DNA with the homonid's DNA. This is why there is a missing link. Nobody can understand why the homonid's brain practically doubled in size seemingly overnight... how it went from a primitive being to Human so quickly. Well, it's obvious what the missing link is, but for the scientific world to admit this and for it to become mainstream would challenge every religion and belief and the entire world would come to a skidding halt.

And who made them?
We're only just starting to find out who made us (and the homonids before us) and what our truth really is. I think who made them is still a mystery.

I don't know if you saw on a different thread where I talked about having participated in the National Geographic's Genographic Project (https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html) to find out about my ancient ancestors through my mitochondrial DNA. From all the DNA Dr. Spencer Wells has collected and tested across the globe (he's collected from thousands of indigenous tribes across the planet as well as people like myself that had no idea what my genetic info really was), none of the DNA collected can be traced back further than just a couple of millenium. That's modern human. It's a dead end before that. They say that it was only around 60,000 years ago that humans began to populate the rest of the planet.

In fact, some research suggests that there ARE mines around 100,000 years old in a region just south of where "Mitochondrial Eve" originated.

These are very big clues, and yet most people either ignore it, or suppress it.


If so then they are our creator
That's right! And, whenever you hear "...and god created man in his image...", you should think about what that REALLY means.




siliconpsychosis: I get the impression that the reptiles engineered the human body but not the consciousness that resides within
Well, consciousness is infinity. It's not just human in nature, it's everything. They didn't engineer consciousness but they sure have trapped a part of it and enslaved it with what we call life.
they then trap consciousness through our lives and beyond
Exactly!



The fact is that as long as we believe that all this is actually real, we'll remain trapped in it. None of this is real, but the only way out is for everyone to understand and believe that, and since we're all connected in one consciousness it'll all bust wide open for everyone at one time. Those that hold onto this illusion will experience the most terrible devastation and loss.

Just like we're all going to make it rain on the 23rd....same concept.

[tinmenace]

I found a site that tells you a bit about the Annunaki and what evidence support the Sumerian tablets (uncovered in Iraq, coincidentally...kinda makes you wonder about the war there and the possible reestablishment of Babylon), including how the tablets speak specifically about the Aliens (Annunaki) and that they were real flesh and blood beings.

I wanted to cut and paste the entire article, but it's got a copyright on it. So, here's the link instead. Read it in it's entirety and tell me what you think.

http://xfacts.com/sumerian_culture.html

[father ted]

In fact, some research suggests that there ARE mines around 100,000 years old in a region just south of where "Mitochondrial Eve" originated.

Sound about right, and it tells you something too, doesn't it? Where are these mines, africa?

[tinmenace]

That's right Ted, they're reportedly in Africa.

[father ted]

On that link that you gave tinmenace, I had to laugh when I read this:
"Some humans were saved by the action of the Anunnaki official, Enki, who was sympathetic to the humans..."
Good link though, though I suggest that sitchin and gardener are misinformation experts.

Mark Phillips has a good general defenition of the meaning of "misinformation" (not quoting):
Misinformation is a lie sandwich, with lies on the outside and truth in the middle or truth on the outside and lies in the middle, and I suppose truth and lies all over the place.

[2013]

We're only just starting to find out who made us (and the homonids before us) and what our truth really is. I think who made them is still a mystery.

I don't know if you saw on a different thread where I talked about having participated in the National Geographic's Genographic Project (https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html) to find out about my ancient ancestors through my mitochondrial DNA. From all the DNA Dr. Spencer Wells has collected and tested across the globe (he's collected from thousands of indigenous tribes across the planet as well as people like myself that had no idea what my genetic info really was), none of the DNA collected can be traced back further than just a couple of millenium. That's modern human. It's a dead end before that. They say that it was only around 60,000 years ago that humans began to populate the rest of the planet.

In fact, some research suggests that there ARE mines around 100,000 years old in a region just south of where "Mitochondrial Eve" originated.

These are very big clues, and yet most people either ignore it, or suppress it.


That's right! And, whenever you hear "...and god created man in his image...", you should think about what that REALLY means.


sorry if i didnt paste this quote right , but heres a link
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

check it out and heres some more concerning other strange occurences !
http://www.strangemag.com/erraticenigmatics.html
Consider, for instance, the following item from the June 11, 1891 edition of the Morrisonville, Ill. Times:

A curious find was brought to light by Mrs. S. W. Culp last Tuesday morning. As she was breaking a lump of coal preparatory to putting it in the scuttle, she discovered, as the lump fell apart, embedded in a circular shape, a small gold chain about ten inches in length of antique and quaint workmanship. At first Mrs. Culp thought the chain had been dropped accidentally in the coal, but as she undertook to lift the chain up, the idea of its having been recently dropped was at once fallacious, for as the lump of coal broke...the middle of the chain became loosened while each end remained fastened to the coal. This is a study for the students of archaeology who love to puzzle their brains over the geological construction of the earth from whose ancient depth the curious is always dropping out. The lump of coal from which this chain was taken is supposed to come from the Taylorville or Pana mines (in southern Illinois) and almost hushes one's breath with mystery when it is thought for how many long ages the earth has been forming strata after strata which hid the golden links from view. The chain was an eight-carat gold and weighed eight penny-weights. (1)

do some searching there is far more info out there i think charlton heston once made a video/ documentary about man co-existing with dinosaurs as well :D

[tinmenace]

Yeah, I view Sitchin's work with a bit of skepticism because of his very own special form of dogma. I've read a few of his books, and although I cannot find anything (so far) to debunk his archaeological work (not just the Sumerian tablets), I am careful not to bite, hook-line-and-sinker, his explanations of other issues because I feel that he's working from a mindset that is not perfectly neutral.
Enki, who was sympathetic to the humans...
Yes, the Annunaki fought amongst themselves apparently, and were always battling one another for top position. They were quite conniving and ruthless (and we still see this behavior today). Enki did like the humans that they had created and even fathered children with human women, so he had a reason to want to save them. He warned his son of the coming flood in a very covert manner so that he wouldn't anger his brother, Enlil, who was their leader (so mandated because although Enki was first born, his brother, Enlil, was the result of the union between their father and their father's sister which, in their opinion produced a purer bloodline....talk about inbreeding!....and this obsessive inter-breeding continues to this day amongst these bloodlines).

The last book of Sitchin's that I read is called "The Earth Chronicles Expeditions" and is filled with thought provoking questions and suggestions of possible answers to the archaeological riddles, but for the most part it's left up to you to decide what to make of it all.

Sitchin wrote compellingly about the Annunaki (translations from the Sumerian Tablets uncovered in Iraq), and then turned around and told David Icke to drop his research in that area. You have to wonder why. Also, Arizona Wilder said she saw him at a satanistic ritual. If that is true, you have to wonder what's going on.

I had a debate on a different forum about Sitchin's work. One member challenged me to read information from a different site that apparently debunked Sitchin's work. I read the site from beginning to end, and it didn't debunk the work, it gave alternate explanations for, I think, a total of five articles. Not enough to convince me. Also, the author of this site was so angry and arrogant, and then later on I found out that he's an evangelical christian. Explains it all...:rolleyes:

[tinmenace]

Thanks 2013, I'll see if I can find more. Very interesting indeed!

[tinmenace]

By the way, I found some photos I want to share. These are ancient Annunaki artifacts. Tell me if you think those are wristwatches.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/sumerian.jpg


http://www.globalfailure.com/images/sumerian3.jpg


And does this look like a helmet of sorts?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/sumerian4.jpg


And this statue of a goddess found in Mari Syria...the same type of helmet perhaps?
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/Goddess%20of%20Fertility_mari.jpg

I don't have a photo of the back of her right now, and I'm loathed to turn my scanner on (but will in a day or two), but it clearly shows a tube of some sort that extends from the back of her neck (or just below). What else could this be other than an oxygen tube?

[mynameis]

The different patterns on the mitre represent bull horns or they stylized the helmet that way. If you meant helmet in a different context, I'm wondering about the strange proto-sumerian statues the really small ones with the big eyes. Those thing creep me the F-ck out. The second image, the guy with wings is either an angel (seraph), winged genius or genii, while the last interpretation is one of the devi or devas.

[father ted]

I don't know about enki, I've read some of the stories in mythology books about him and they flatter him a bit too much, just like the murderous pharaoh akhenaton (murderous and evil according to Tsarion).

There's also a story I read where he's drunk with his wife and she challenges him because she feels she is powerful or more powerful than him. So they have a contest to see who can create the most genetically fucked up/disabled human and find uses for him/her. Enki wins and puts his wife into place. (I'm making a long story short)

Arizona Wilder said that sitchin and gardener actually shapeshift, and that she would often hear sitchin discuss "doing away with people" who were talking about things that they didn't want them to talk about. She said he's very much a disinformationalist. She also said that others (reptillian/illuminati) were very careful with what they said around him, and he seemed to be very powerful.

I haven't read any of sitchin's books, I've only read a bit on his work, but I'm sure I'd be able to debunk him. Some of the sumerian translations seem a bit fishy (whoever it was translated by), partly because who's to say what translations of ancient records we can trust, most people have to take the word of only a few.

[father ted]

I reckon I counted 12 on the wristwatch in the first picture.

The first picture with the guy wearing the "helmet" actually symbolizes a penis. Also, there's a picture in a book on mythology that I've got that shows some sort of artifact with an image that looks the same as that helmet. It calls it "the horned cap" and is thought to symbolize the sky god anu and enlil. The sumerian deities are described as fertility gods, if you read about them, especially enlil and enki, you'll know why. You know about the illuminati and their penis symbolisms, right guys?