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swiftlouie143

18-01-2008, 07:43 AM

Number 1.) I am not religious. I believe Religion was manufactured by reptilians..(devils if will) and has been a plague used to divide us and keep all people but especially my (the lost tribes of Israel) from the truth of there divine past.

Number 2.) I am a Hebrew Israelites and the non-fabricated books of the bible are my peoples history. (I can proof that 100% with out a shadow of a doubt)

But before I do: Here is a list of books that you may as well rip from your bible: Mattew, Mark, Luke or any thing by Paul (Romans) I'd also recommend that you pick up the book of Enoch (who was the first prophet) which was taking out the Roman bible but remains in the Ethiopic text till this day (Enoch was an Ethiopian and thats a fact (http://www.amazon.com/Enoch-Ethiopian-Prophet-Greater-Abraham/dp/1886433038)!)

First off the name Je-sus comes from the Roman God Zeus (do an image search on Zues and you'll see who of the worlds really following) we Hebrews called him Yahshua (which means Yah's Salvation) Ya = the God of the Hebrew people and the "almighty" God of the bible (HalleluYAH). That's why during slavey in American we sung slave songs like Kum-bi-yah which is Hebrew for: come by Yah.

Cumbayah, my Lord, cumbayah!
Cumbayah, my Lord, cumbayah!
Cumbayah, my Lord, cumbayah!
Oh, Lo-ord, cumbayah!

Someone's crying Lord, cumbayah!
etc.

Someone's hurting Lord, cumbayah!
etc.

Someone's singing Lord, cumbayah!
etc.

Now our owners kept us for learning how to read or write english, let alone speak Hebrew. So inorder to sing in Hebrew we must known it before we were taken to American. Yes, because it is was our native tounge which we had whipped out of us.

Most of us were sold too the U.S. and Caribbean Islands (Haiti, Jamica, Puerto Rico, Cuba etc..) this is fact and Icke, Tsarion (even Maxwell) are just flat out lieing to you. Saying the bible is JUST roman pagan astrological interpretation this is my history. You have Alex Jones acting as if he doesn't know who that the so called "blacks" of America and the Caribbean Islands are the true lost tribes of Israel.. not these so-called Jews (Ashkenazi - Zionists) who've never been enslaved most of whom never even visited AFRICA! let alone escaped from Egypt. Imagen if just one of these alt-media personalitys would tell the world the truth, hell.. we could end the killing in Palestine (yet you people don't question them or the Zionst so-called Jews)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aTGcv6eFyM

(notice there afros & dread locks)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57AWxo-idyM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmIQs8uU6rg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ym30gW669jY

I cant be the only one here who knows that Hilter was a Ashkenazi (so-called) Jew? Fathered by a Rothchild.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5zO90rgp6k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w6pLzgwuEQ

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3268/ashkenazimcc6.jpg

I can't be the only one here who knows that AID's was developed by the United States and is a Race Specified Bio Weapon.. targeting a gene that only people of color possess. (used mainly the wipe out of Africans) I also can't be the only one here who knows that knows the AID's cure was patented in 1997 patent number: #5676977 (look it up)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfWMFChwSGo

You should be asking your selfs.. why are you being lied too??.. why are these people not telling you the whole truth. Why does some random kid have to come on a forum tell you this. Ask Icke, Jones, Tsaion, Maxwell or any one us these SO CALLED alt-media personalties.. who the Israelites of the bible were and where they are today!

Ask them why they still today worship a Black Jesus and Mary in the Catholic churchs?

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/f41/dd9/f41dd9cc-5198-4c0e-8a6a-eeda2d553dc7

source: http://suzar.com/BOTW/BOTW-ch1b-pages3-4.html

You people are being LIED too and confused on purpose the people who you call Jews (Europeans not from Africa) are really what Jesus called in the bible the "Synagogues of Satan" (Satan = reptilian)
They are not who they clame to be.. and the TRUE peoples of the bible have had there history white washed and whiped out of them, they've been character assassined and denigrated.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/602/clipimage001db0.gif

And you've been programed subconsciously to fear and loath them.

There is a whole other agenda here, that you are carfuly being stared away from.. and I'm only scratching the surface here. (Does the term "master race" ring a bell?)

It's time to start asking questions... because if you don't your going to fall flat on your faces to worship the first blonde haired blue eyed Jesus savoir figure they throw at you, and believe me people its coming... (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=project+blue+beam+false+alien+invasion&btnG=Search)

The Israelite of the bible were (and are) many places, but they were inslaved in the bible in Egypt (Kemet.. in Africa) where the people were black.

There ARE lightskined or Mixed Israelites
http://www.culture-routes.lu/uploaded_files/infos/me/00000749/00000749_2.jpg

And Hilter (who was an Ashkenazi Jew) and the Nazi's did target them in the Holocaust (because they have black / Israelite blood in them)

http://a347.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/41/l_d16c9f116563b85d875af487dd128c32.jpg

But Hilter, the Rothchilds and the rest of the Zionists are NOT from the seed of Abraham. You may not know this but Hilter DID.. The Ashkenazi jew is not a real jew (from the tribe of Judah) at all they converted.. they ARE Khazars.

http://www.biblestudysite.com/13tribe.gif

".. that the Khazars too claimed the status of a Chosen Race, who made their own Covenant with the Lord, even though they were not descended from Abraham's seed."

http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/library/khazars.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

or google “The Khazarian Kingdom”

race is important, maybe not to you. But it is to them and since my race is being systematicly wiped out its also important to me. (doesn't make me racist)

Hilter knew were the Aryan race desented from..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryanism

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44177000/jpg/_44177209_dipsoldier_ap.jpg

(Aryans: are albino Hindus)

look at them they all look the same

http://www.webbusiness.no/webprivat/usa/upfiles/bush_monkey.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/10/12/nharry2.jpg

all one big happy indo-aryan zionist (fake jew) reptilian (satanic) family that has you fooled..
(and no I dont hate Aryans, I didn't create history I'm simply trying to unravel it for the benifit of all)

Lastely there are intire websites decicate to this truth..
Try : www.hebrewisraelites.net or www.hebrewisraelites.org to name a few..

The Isrealites of today are frauds ( altho they did ship in some REAL jews from Ethiopia but you wont here much about them they live in the ghetto's now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFhWkJQ_L5I

Jesus = Yahshua and he is what most would call today "black".
His people were down troughin then and they still are today, if he were to walk into a fanciest church in the most Christian of neighborhoods today dress in linen and proclaim himself the messiah most people would laugh at him becauses he's black.

"the truth shall set you free" and as long as these Luciferian Seperants keep us in ignorance, they will continue make up new reglions (and new age beliefs) based on accepting or denying their latest christ figure. Which will inturn help to divide and control us.

dmessick

18-01-2008, 05:28 PM

I am very grateful to you for bringing this info out. Keep up the good work.

2013

18-01-2008, 08:18 PM

Good thread a true contender for synergy 777's crown .
Of course the black ethiopians are the true biblical jews or make up the majority of them otherwise why did mussolini invade ethiopia in 1935 on whose orders rome ? suppressing the true people .Rastafarianism contians many truths .In the book the hiram key there is a suposed historical account of the man we call jesus and he is said to be about 4foot 10" and have black skin and curly hair with a hook nose and slight stooped back .Sounds similar to haile salassie to me descended from the same blood line with bob marley and the like being true prophets :D

eternal_spirit

19-01-2008, 01:28 AM

Higher than a lion in Zion, a line from a Marley song Sounds well dodgy to me.

eternal_spirit

19-01-2008, 01:33 AM

There's no such thing as a Jewish race, the ones from Jerusalem etc they are semitic arabic people. The Khazzars are descended from Mongols and Gengis Khan was one. The 12 tribes are based on faith same as Jesus and other religious figures. It's just another excuse so they can think they are God's chosen people.

swiftlouie143

19-01-2008, 01:44 AM

The 12 tribes are based on faith same as Jesus and other religious figures. It's just another excuse so they can think they are God's chosen people.

There are many God's of this planet. Yah (the "almighty" God of the Hebrew people) is one of them.

paganus

19-01-2008, 09:38 AM

this whole thing just sounds exactly like the christian identity argument.with a different race!

swiftlouie143

19-01-2008, 09:58 AM

this whole thing just sounds exactly like the christian identity argument.with a different race!

I don't know what a "christian identity argument" is..
But if I made a particular point that you disagree with, feel free to let me know so I can clarify :)

paganus

19-01-2008, 10:09 AM

I don't know what a "christian identity argument" is..
But if I made a particular point that you disagree with, feel free to let me know so I can clarify :)christian identity adherents argue that the Aryan race are the isralites of the bible.they site abraham as being an Aryan and as father of the isralites,that makes them Aryan too.i neither said i agreed or disagreed,just pointing out the fact its the same argument from a different race.

lizzy

19-01-2008, 10:12 AM

http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/index.html

swiftlouie143

19-01-2008, 10:25 AM

...just pointing out the fact its the same argument from a different race.

oh ok I thought you disagreed with one of the facts I originally posted.

Just so you know.. I am not a Christian, or religious, this isn't a "belief" of mine this is historical fact. Again if you feel my original post is flawed in any way please let me know and be sure to provide evidence to back your claim.
I'm always glad to clarify :)

armoured_amazon

19-01-2008, 06:03 PM

This thread is so misinformed. :rolleyes:

swiftlouie143

19-01-2008, 06:12 PM

This thread is so misinformed. :rolleyes:

is it...

what part exactly can you disprove?

armoured_amazon

19-01-2008, 11:55 PM

is it...

what part exactly can you disprove?

All of it if I could be bothered. However, it's not my job to enlighten others; I have another task right now. Everyone likes to think they know it all. In the end, everyone will discover what they really did or didn't know, no matter how loudly they voiced it.

swiftlouie143

20-01-2008, 12:30 AM

All of it if I could be bothered. However, it's not my job to enlighten others; I have another task right now. Everyone likes to think they know it all. In the end, everyone will discover what they really did or didn't know, no matter how loudly they voiced it.

So you disagree with everything I've posted.. OK

Now would be a great time to provide a single shread of evidence that would bring down my entire stance.
I'm sure your not the only person who thinks im lieing here. So please for your sake and for the sake of others who feel im spreading dis-info. Provide us with some sources and an argument, not just your opinions and some flowery wording.

We'll be waiting..

swiftlouie143

22-01-2008, 03:41 PM

I see your not gonna step up to the plate armoured_amazon .. thats fine.

But, I'm gonna recommend a book for you (and any one else who would like to know who these fakes really are)

http://www.amazon.com/Thirteenth-Tribe-Arthur-Koestler/dp/0394402847

http://hubpages.com/u/28259_f260.jpg

"This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in the Dark Ages converted to Judaism. Khazaria was finally wiped out by the forces of Ghengis Khan, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the cradle of Western Jewry."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_pgwn9og58

And heres a good video which compares the the bibical accounts of the Hebrew people to the Historical accounts of the so-called Jew.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2762010013788438774

This one which is even longer (a more informative) goes into the Physical Appearance of the True Israelites

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1246844264071776489

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-324233388005755140

vera susa

11-05-2008, 02:07 PM

snoopsnuffleopagus

12-05-2008, 02:22 AM

Sorry, but ETHIOPIA, TIGRIS, NILE, EGYPT and more besides,
are NOT even in Hebrew Scripture,
but the LIES of ALL ANTI-CHRIST beliefs are based in
accepting those FALSE NAMES, LOCATIONS and TIME LINES.

All "African Based" versions of Hebrew Scripture,
DENY GOD'S LIVING WORD.
Moses led Israel out of MITSRAIM; The AMERICAS,
into ZION ZiOn OZion OZ
LONG BEFORE they were scattered into India & Africa.

A LONG look at the EVIDENCE that supports this,
and how "The Arts" have been used throughout the ages
to KEEP THE SECRET and SELL THE LIE;

Most Cordial Felicitations; Madame Vera Susa:

Frankly, I have always found your Premis 'Absurd'.

Nothing Personal ;)

Egyptian Chronology and Timeline

http://www.vimeo.com/410567

Red Sea, Reed Sea...and the Persian Gulf*

The conclusion of Passover has traditionally focused on celebrating the miraculous parting of the Red Sea. There will certainly be some purists among my readers who are already jumping to correct me: The Hebrew "Yam Suf" should be rendered more precisely "the Sea of Reeds," a translation which has been adopted by some recent English biblical commentaries.

I have heard the accusation that the common English usage of "Red Sea" is nothing more than the result of the ignorance of early Bible translators, or perhaps an old typographical error. This is not the case at all.

Actually, the name "Red Sea" is a lot older than the English language, and can be traced at least as far back as the 5th-century B.C.E. Greek historian Herodotus. It is used standardly in the Septuagint, the oldest Greek translation of the Bible, and by Jewish writers such as Philo and Josephus Flavius.

If one reads these ancient authors one soon realizes that the body of water being referred to is not necessarily the one which currently bears that name. It seems to be applied to the entire maritime area between Africa, Arabia and south Asia, extending at times as far as the Indian Ocean.

Some of the sources make a clear distinction between the more expansive Red Sea and the smaller Reed Sea. The latter lies in the region between Arabia and the Egyptian coast, especially in the Gulf of Eilat--the area that we normally think of now as the "Red Sea."

It is likely that the Red Sea was so named by ancient sailors as a result of the peculiar colouring created by the mountains, corals and desert sands (though the Egyptians called the same body of water the "Green Sea"); whereas the "Reed Sea" takes its name from the papyrus reeds and bulrushes that proliferated along the nearby Nile.

The distinction between the two seas is made very clearly in a remarkable document preserved among the "Dead Sea Scrolls" that is known to scholars as the "Genesis Apocryphon." This Aramaic text retells the stories of the Hebrew Patriarchs, much of it presented as an autobiographical account narrated by Abraham himself.

In one episode, Abraham tells us how he travelled along the frontier of the land which God had promised him, progressing from the Gihon River (apparently identified with the Nile), to the Mediterranean, south Lebanon and along the Euphrates River. Following that river through what is now Iraq Abraham arrived at the Red Sea in the east, which he traced through to "the tongue of the Reed Sea, which goes forth from the Red Sea."

From this itinerary it is evident that the Reed Sea is an inlet of the Red Sea. The fact that Abraham reached the Red Sea from the mouth of the Euphrates shows us that what is being referred to is in fact none other than the Persian Gulf!

The implications are quite remarkable. While I do not believe that we necessarily have to begin speaking of the "miraculous parting of the Persian Gulf," it is intriguing to observe that the story places both Iraq and Saudi Arabia within the perimeters of the Promised Land, a view which will warm the heart of the most extreme Israeli right-wingers.

As for myself, I will be perfectly satisfied if people simply stop correcting me whenever I speak of "the Red Sea."

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/910329_Red_Sea.html

Kind Regards: Sn:):)psnuffle:)pagus

pillowtalk

12-05-2008, 09:06 PM

This thread is so misinformed. :rolleyes:

I couldn’t agree more !!.;)

Why do so many people still try to interpret holy texts / legends / folk lore, to suit their needs ??.:rolleyes:

Have we (as a a species) not been doing this for long enough now.
How many redaction's (read as edits) to these books have there been over the years ??, all because some one, some where wanted this or that passage / verse, to fit a new agenda, FFS !!.

“I think what God meant to say was” ~ oh man, i have never been that confident !!.
Bill HIcks.

PT.

lumukanda

12-05-2008, 09:29 PM

nice one swiftlouise, keep it coming bro.

pillowtalk

12-05-2008, 09:38 PM

Number 1.) I am not religious. I believe Religion was manufactured by reptilians..

This statment almost made me stop reading the thread.

I cant be the only one here who knows that Hilter was a Ashkenazi (so-called) Jew? Fathered by a Rothchild.

Have you got the DNA tests to prove this ??.
Having a female member (Grandmother) of your family work at a Rothschild residence is one thing.
I love the way Icke et al, will publish this kind of thing & then, fucking BOOM, it’s a FACT.

I can't be the only one here who knows that AID's was developed by the United States and is a Race Specified Bio Weapon.. targeting a gene that only people of color possess. (used mainly the wipe out of Africans)

Ok, let’s (for a second) make like you are the only one here.
Convince me.

Let us also consider the continent of Africa since the 1950’s.
Politically / socially / economically, what have you seen in the countries run by Africans ??.

Hilter knew were the Aryan race desented from..

I am going to make a wild guess and say “descended from” is what you were getting at.

That said, why was Heinrich Himmler, spending so much time / money,
On trying to find the answer to a question they already knew.
During World War II, Heinrich Himmler's obsessive search for the origins of the Aryan race led to crackpot archaeological digs in western and southern Russia, the trophies discovered being transported to the SS headquarters at Wewelsburg.

The Ahnenerbe's overriding task was to provide scientific, anthropological and archaeological evidence to support the theories of the Thule Society and, in so doing, determine the origins of the 'Aryan' race.
Ahnenerbe mounted an expedition to Tibet led by Ernst Schäfer, a German hunter and biologist who had made two previous expeditions to that part of the world. He would later publish his report of the expedition as Festival of the White Gauze Scarves: A research expedition through Tibet to Lhasa.
Ahnenerbe mounted an expedition to Tibet led by Ernst Schäfer, a German hunter and biologist who had made two previous expeditions to that part of the world. He would later publish his report of the expedition as Festival of the White Gauze Scarves: A research expedition through Tibet to Lhasa.

PT

vera susa

13-05-2008, 05:36 AM

Most Cordial Felicitations; Madame Vera Susa:

Frankly, I have always found your Premis 'Absurd'.

Nothing Personal ;)

Egyptian Chronology and Timeline

Kind Regards: Sn:):)psnuffle:)pagus

Yet, you have NEVER been able
to answer any of MY QUESTIONS,
but DO SO LOVE, to REPEAT
REPEAT
REPEAT
the FALSE HISTORIES
and EXCEEDINGLY SHORT Time Lines
INVENTED by those
VERY PTB and their MASONIC type
EVIL LYING BASTARDS these sorts of sites
are SUPPOSED to EXPOSE...

Luckily we've just covered some of this
in THE THREAD THAT REVEALS SECRETS...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=357216#post357216

(the following, from
"READING" the "properties" numbers,
of BBC BIG PICTURES...the REAL NEWS,
CODED in the MSM that GATEKEEPERS
on Conspiracy 'busting' sites, TELL YOU
to IGNORE!)

397

Events

By Place

Asia

* The Xiongnu occupy
the Gansu (NOW in EARTHQUAKE NEWS) area in China.
"Xiongnu" was the most ancient name
that was given to the Turkic tribes
of Central Asia by the Chinese.

These nomadic people were
considered so dangerous
that the Qin Dynasty ordered
the construction of the Great Wall
to protect China from Xiongnu attacks

This is a MASSIVE CONNECTION,
to REAL OLD TESTAMENT Prophecies
and WARNINGS for TODAY.
Note the "BIG HINT"
of the Last MAP;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu

By Topic

Religion

* Council of Carthage:
The biblical canon
is definitely declared.

* The Candida Casa is founded
by Saint Ninian,
marking the beginning of
missionary work among the
Picts.

* Saint Sulpicius Severus writes
the earliest biography of
Saint Martin of Tours,
the first known
"life of a saint" ever written.
[/B]

But you'll have to go to the thread
if you want to see the Japanese Girl
playing Soccer in Underwear...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=357216#post357216

Oh and folk truly interested in what you will NOT FIND
ANYWHERE ELSE; The TRUTH of THE SECRET and HOW
"They" KEPT IT A SECRET...can bounce around
the whole, long, thread, as there aren't many areas
of real life in this real world we haven't covered,
just to SHOW HOW nearly THE WHOLE IS DECEIVED.

'The' LAND OF PYRAMIDS...???

http://www.bible-history.com/maps/maps/babylonian_empire_550_BC.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/in_pictures_enl_1210579321/img/1.jpg
BBC VALUED EXPOSURE (397)

NAH, WAKE UP!

"THEY" are 'leaking' to those they will,
what I'm WITNESSING & WARNING for ALL;

MOSES did NOT lead ISRAEL
out of Egypt, but SOUTH AMERICA...
into ZION OZ[ION] ZiOn....OZ..

Notice the SHAPE of THE PYRAMID....

It gets me, you know,
that Conspiracy 'busting' sites
go on and on about MASONS
and SECRET SOCIETIES,
get as far as "The Secret" is
"Their" ANCIENT Plan
to RULE THE WHOLE WORLD,
yet still haven't twigged as to
HOW "They" CAN,
without CONTROL of THE RICHEST,
MOST STABLE, LAND with
the FOOD, MINERAL ,
ENERGY & URANIUM RESERVES to do it!

MAPS, SHIPS,
COMPASSES, GLOBES...
don't that give ya a hint...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/img/16800.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1577661281.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/oldglobe%20copy.jpg
THE GLOBE
"A pretty plot, well chosen, to build upon." --Henry VI part 2

http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/Invisibl.gif
"The Invisible College"
or the Temple of the Red Cross

Architecture gives form to the invisible
pulses and rhythms of life.
It gives pattern to structure and structure to pattern.
It is an elemental mystic power that is innate to all things.
The physical manifestation of this power is a consequence of
the desire for the invisible to be made visible.
This desire, this great motivating force is essential to the life of a thing.
It is a process which organizes and composes various interrelated forces
into a unified whole.
Architecture is the comprehensive expression of all science and art--
the wellspring of interconnectedness and functional art. -Eugene Tsui

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Buildings of Temples, Theatres and the like
are honorable things and look big upon posterity."-Francis Bacon

FROM:
Bacon
The Expert On
Religious Foundations
By
Alicia A. Leith
from
Baconiana
http://www.sirbacon.org/biblio.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The TRUTH of GOD'S LIVING WORD
IS THE GREATEST SECRET....

"They" BLOODY WELL HID
A WHOLE CONTINENT SIZED
RICH, STABLE LAND MASS
for HUNDREDS OF YEARS...
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD...
and NOW, that WARS and
DISASTERS ARE PLAGUING
the rest of The Globe,
"They" are MOVING IN!

snoopsnuffleopagus

13-05-2008, 04:07 PM

Madame Vera Susa:

Apparently, the Reason Father Yahweh had the Hebrews Sojourn in Egypt, has not penetrated the Nimbus of Narcissism that 'Cloaks' your Theory and Agenda.

Consider this: It was for the Benefit of the Hebrew Tribes to learn of the consequences of Life under the Rulership of God Worshippers.

As contrast of Life under Rulership of Yahweh and the Laws, Judgements and Statutes of the Torah.

Your 'Premis': The 'Sinners' shall inherit the 'Promised Land' is ABSURD.

You and Tintin have already recorded your opinion concerning the Torah, you have also recorded your opinion of Yahwehs Prophets, who Prophecied according to a Specified Time-Line, with the subsequent result that Yahshua, was Born, Lived and Worked in the Time he was Prophecied to.

When one does the Math according to the Verses of Begetting and Deaths, it works out to 4,000 years from Adams Death to the Birth of Yahshua.

The Birth of Yahshua was Foretold in over 100 Prophecies, which provide a great deal of Specificity.

Current Status of your Theory:

No Laws, No Prophecies=Total 100% APOSTASY

The Strength of Yahweh is His Laws and Prophecies.

Where did Abraham come from?

Where did Abraham go?

Where was Joseph taken?

What became of Joseph?

You are obliged Madame Vera Susa, that in addition to your Jazz Opus in News, you MUST present your Position on this most important matter in a Cogent and Concise Manner in the Religion Forum.

A Thread which presents your take on the first Five Books (Pentateuch).

It is as though there is not one Verse of Scripture you agree with, rather you make up your own interpretation.

That's Jazz.

Show us Concise, Cogent Evidence to support your claims:

Shall I Post the Scientific and Historical Evidence I provided you in the News Thread?

May Yahweh Bless you with understanding, that you may Repent, and change your Ways.

It's all about the Torah.

Kind Regards: Snoops

snoopsnuffleopagus

13-05-2008, 08:33 PM

Most Cordial Felicitations; Madame Vera Susa:

Frankly, I have always found your Premis 'Absurd'.

Nothing Personal ;)

Egyptian Chronology and Timeline

http://www.vimeo.com/410567

Red Sea, Reed Sea...and the Persian Gulf*

The conclusion of Passover has traditionally focused on celebrating the miraculous parting of the Red Sea. There will certainly be some purists among my readers who are already jumping to correct me: The Hebrew "Yam Suf" should be rendered more precisely "the Sea of Reeds," a translation which has been adopted by some recent English biblical commentaries.

I have heard the accusation that the common English usage of "Red Sea" is nothing more than the result of the ignorance of early Bible translators, or perhaps an old typographical error. This is not the case at all.

Actually, the name "Red Sea" is a lot older than the English language, and can be traced at least as far back as the 5th-century B.C.E. Greek historian Herodotus. It is used standardly in the Septuagint, the oldest Greek translation of the Bible, and by Jewish writers such as Philo and Josephus Flavius.

If one reads these ancient authors one soon realizes that the body of water being referred to is not necessarily the one which currently bears that name. It seems to be applied to the entire maritime area between Africa, Arabia and south Asia, extending at times as far as the Indian Ocean.

Some of the sources make a clear distinction between the more expansive Red Sea and the smaller Reed Sea. The latter lies in the region between Arabia and the Egyptian coast, especially in the Gulf of Eilat--the area that we normally think of now as the "Red Sea."

It is likely that the Red Sea was so named by ancient sailors as a result of the peculiar colouring created by the mountains, corals and desert sands (though the Egyptians called the same body of water the "Green Sea"); whereas the "Reed Sea" takes its name from the papyrus reeds and bulrushes that proliferated along the nearby Nile.

The distinction between the two seas is made very clearly in a remarkable document preserved among the "Dead Sea Scrolls" that is known to scholars as the "Genesis Apocryphon." This Aramaic text retells the stories of the Hebrew Patriarchs, much of it presented as an autobiographical account narrated by Abraham himself.

In one episode, Abraham tells us how he travelled along the frontier of the land which God had promised him, progressing from the Gihon River (apparently identified with the Nile), to the Mediterranean, south Lebanon and along the Euphrates River. Following that river through what is now Iraq Abraham arrived at the Red Sea in the east, which he traced through to "the tongue of the Reed Sea, which goes forth from the Red Sea."

From this itinerary it is evident that the Reed Sea is an inlet of the Red Sea. The fact that Abraham reached the Red Sea from the mouth of the Euphrates shows us that what is being referred to is in fact none other than the Persian Gulf!

The implications are quite remarkable. While I do not believe that we necessarily have to begin speaking of the "miraculous parting of the Persian Gulf," it is intriguing to observe that the story places both Iraq and Saudi Arabia within the perimeters of the Promised Land, a view which will warm the heart of the most extreme Israeli right-wingers.

As for myself, I will be perfectly satisfied if people simply stop correcting me whenever I speak of "the Red Sea."

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/910329_Red_Sea.html

Kind Regards: Sn:):)psnuffle:)pagus

Hi Again Susa:

Let me get this 'Straight'.

EVERY Rabbi, Christian Priest, Archaeologist, Linquist, Historian, Theologian, Book Publisher and Editor, Scientific Technician, is wrong, and are acting in Unison to Suppress a "Truth" you are Aware of?

Present your Arguments against the Information in the Video: Egyptian Chronology.

http://www.vimeo.com/410567

Susa, peruse this Site:

http://www.bib-arch.org/

americana

14-05-2008, 04:54 PM

This would seem to be a growing movement or consciousness!

A group of the "Black Isrealites" lives on Staten Island. They often stand on the corner of 34th Street and 7th Avenue in NYC, across the street from Macy's, right near CitiBank, and preach. They often seem very agressive or defensive, which is not a comment on OP, but a simple observation.

Recently, there was a meeting or some other get-together down the street, and I was surprised to see the numbers of women and whole families, as somehow I had always associated the movement with men. They are the ones you see preaching. So it was nice to see whole families.

The ladies were dressed in simply gorgeous "costumes" with long skirts. They had obviously put a great deal of effort into these outfits. I guess it was an attempt at historical reconstruction. Somehow, it was odd and somewhat disconcerting to see yellow Stars of David on the elaborately decorated dresses. After all, having Stars of David attached to clothing has certain historical implications which are ineradicable!

bucktown777

14-05-2008, 08:56 PM

Good info in the original post swift, very interesting information to consider, but you have to ask yourself 2 important questions---1) Does this information even matter? and 2) What will change if the general world population does accept this as truth?

Just some thoughts here, but great info, stay hebrew

peachped

14-05-2008, 09:08 PM

americana

14-05-2008, 09:26 PM

Would that be these fellows?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG-_UYHyylY&feature=related

Mmmhmmmm! Except the video was taken in Philadelphia! But it's the "same" posters, declamatory style of reading the Old Testament, etc. etc.

bucktown777

14-05-2008, 09:49 PM

Would that be these fellows?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG-_UYHyylY&feature=related

What an incredible experience this life really is. I find it particularly funny that everyone thinks that they're right and the irony is that they are or aren't. There is no right or wrong. There is no truth or lies. There only is. The Alpha & Omega, the beginning and the end. Every single person on this planet is an expression of God the creator. He created us in his own image(meaning that we literally have creative power of thought, word, action) and everyone here is creating what is true for them. God created HUMANS, humans created divisions amongst us! I don't think God would create us with free-will and then punish us for using it. These gentlemen are fanatics at least, possibly working for the illuminati to help ensure that we as humans do not unite, physically or consciously.

holyfool

14-05-2008, 09:56 PM

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Would you please help me. I signed up last night and it says to say hello to the community in the "Introduction Forum" but I can't find it.

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liberallibra

15-12-2008, 12:48 AM

Higher than a lion in Zion, a line from a Marley song Sounds well dodgy to me.

it is IRON! LIKE A LION IN ZION!!!... get it right!!

AMAZING THREAD!! I already new about the true Ethiopian Jews, but still learned some things.. Very interesting

stelios

15-12-2008, 02:26 AM

Louie is quite correct.
Some of the people who claim to be Jews today are not in fact Jews at all.
They come from the land of Khazaria and are described in the Bible and the Koran as the Gog and the Magog.
There is another group which include the Rothschilds and Rockefellers who are followers of Sabbatai Zevi. Again these are fake Jews who in fact believe that Zevi was the Messiah and that now that the Messiah has been and gone they are free to commit whatever sin they want because Sabbatei decreed that nothing is a sin anymore.
http://www.donmeh-west.com/sabbatai.shtml
These are the followers of the Synagogue of Satan.

Real Jews are as much a victim of the two groups of fake Jews, as much a victim as the rest of the human race. The followers of Sabbatei Zevi and the Khazarians are the groups from which all Zionists belong. Many world leaders such as Sarkozy, Bill Clinton, Hitler, are from this background too.

The Queen of Sheba and King Solomon were Jews and were dark skinned.

fist fury

15-12-2008, 03:12 AM

you are DEAD wrong. the original dark people of the Middle east/east africa HAVE NOTHING in common with the Blacks of West Africa. just because they are both of dark complexion doesnt make them one race.

the original hebrews, were more or less aborigine types. they were dark skinned, and had physical features similar to those natives of southern India/australia

attributing the blacks living in ghettos, who came from primitive tribes that have been killing and raping each other viciously for ages, to the Middle Eastern aborigines is a disgrace.

http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter47/yemenaussie.jpg

http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter47/yemenegrito.jpg

lumukanda

15-12-2008, 02:25 PM

you are DEAD wrong. the original dark people of the Middle east/east africa HAVE NOTHING in common with the Blacks of West Africa. just because they are both of dark complexion doesnt make them one race.

the original hebrews, were more or less aborigine types. they were dark skinned, and had physical features similar to those natives of southern India/australia

[b]attributing the blacks living in ghettos, who came from primitive tribes that have been killing and raping each other viciously for ages, to the Middle Eastern aborigines is a disgrace.]/b]

http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter47/yemenaussie.jpg

http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter47/yemenegrito.jpg

jesus, will this ignorance never stop!!

supertzar

16-12-2008, 03:27 AM

It's true that the slaves bound for the Americas were primarily West Africans, is it not?

There is another question I have, which is the main one I would like addressed, actually. Isn't the Ethiopian Hebrew lineage supposed to be based on King Solomon coming and marrying Sheba and having children? If that's true, then the Ethiopians are not the originals, are they? I am not invested in that being true, but that is my basic understanding at this time.

kingmob

17-12-2008, 07:51 AM

This whole thread is one big IGNORAMUS!

eternal_spirit

17-12-2008, 10:59 AM

This whole thread is one big IGNORAMUS!

Take that as you don't believe in the 12 tribes.

eternal_spirit

17-12-2008, 11:06 AM

it is IRON! LIKE A LION IN ZION!!!... get it right!!

AMAZING THREAD!! I already new about the true Ethiopian Jews, but still learned some things.. Very interesting

Oh right cheers didn't know that. :)

You might enjoy reading this
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=629679&postcount=23

Preacherman, dont tell me,
Heaven is under the earth.
I know you dont know
What life is really worth.
Its not all that glitters is gold;
alf the story has never been told:
So now you see the light, eh!
Stand up for your rights. come on

Most people think,
Great God will come from the skies,
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high.
But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours on earth:
And now you see the light,
You stand up for your rights. jah!

meksar

18-12-2008, 09:35 PM

Louie im grateful you have brought this up, there is a very sinister reason why black peoples true identity has been destroyed and hijacked by this Khazar scum, the Hebrew language is a magical one which is used in the Kabbalah and is used to communicate with angels(benevolent spirits) and demons(evil spirits). The Khazar's have turned to the dark side to gain material power and control and even worse they have openly supported tyranny against their own to justify the creation of their satanic empire Israel. I personally think that they have done all they can to keep black people in a state of confusion, fear and depression. I do disagree with one point you made though, i don't think Icke is a Illuminati/NWO tool, he has said Khazar's are fake Jews and when he started talking about the Reptilians the A.D.L began a smear campaign against him. If he was to introduce this revelation(i think he will when the time is right), the A.D.L and the Zionist media would effectively shut him down. When Icke was at Brixton this year he said he thinks there is something controlling the reptilians and i think he has something interesting up his sleeve.

opulentview

22-12-2008, 06:11 PM

You guys are on the right track but keep getting sidetracked with the ridiculous reptilian idea and religous ties. There were some points made in this thread but for the most part it took a little bit of truth and diverted it to fulfill a personal agenda.

in_the_midst_of_wolves

24-12-2008, 07:22 PM

Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated:

http://www.north-of-africa.com/IMG/jpg/muurschildering-big.jpg

We can no longer consider Khazar-controlled Hollywood as an valid historical source.
Do your own research and you might just come to the same conclusion.
Moses must have been very similar in appearance to the Egyptians to have been able to have passed as Egyptian royalty for so long.
The implications of this are overwhelmingly significant.
If the Egyptians were Africans (what we would today call 'black'), then much of todays knowledge of science, astronomy, archiecture, philosophy and more comes from the 'black' man.
Furthermore, the most prosecuted people in history, who continue to have their reputation as well as their homeland and heritage systematically and oppresively destroyed are the 'blacks' or who the evidence would compel us to refer to as the "Hebrew Israelites".
The evidence for this is so compelling (using the OP's links are a good place to start) that I suggest that you all do your own research on the matter before jumping to any conclusions or even dismissing the matter as irrelevant.
My own qualm with the OP is his kowtowing to all of the new age/gnostics out there; I think that the evidence speaks for itself.
I believe in freedom and the right to free speech.
If you wish to speculate over whether 'religious' books were created by reptiles, please keep this within the context it belongs.
If we are to engage in a sensible discussion about an empirical matter, then we should probably try to keep our own biases and religious beliefs out of it (and yes I am including the new age belief system as a religion).
Unless of course, the real subject was "my belief system is truer than yours, because..." of which there would seem to be many other more relevant threads.
So to get back on topic and summarize my current position on the matter:
The true Egyptians and the Hebrew Israelites were/are what we would refer to today as 'black' people based on the evidence my investigations have turned up.
Therefore the blood line to which todays Ashkenazis claim as theirs is a lie and this also exposes the hijacking of the Zionist movement.
Therefore I have adjusted my own limited understanding of history accordingly.

Peace

P.S
Also, imagine your average 'black' kid knew that he had more than Tupac to look up to as a role model; Yahshua, anyone?

jesuitsdidit

25-12-2008, 06:00 AM

This whole thread is one big IGNORAMUS!

why?

felakuti

26-12-2008, 03:06 AM

you are DEAD wrong. the original dark people of the Middle east/east africa HAVE NOTHING in common with the Blacks of West Africa. just because they are both of dark complexion doesnt make them one race.

And who are you to state this? What knowledge do you have of the African people? How many nations have you visited in Africa? What awareness do you have of the differing physical characteristics of its 500 million inhabitants?

the original hebrews, were more or less aborigine types.

What is your source for this claim? Mere stating it doesn't make it so.

they were dark skinned, and had physical features similar to those natives of southern India/australia

Again, sources please?

attributing the blacks living in ghettos, who came from primitive tribes that have been killing and raping each other viciously for ages, to the Middle Eastern aborigines is a disgrace.

What is a tribe? Or a primitive tribe? An African American descended from say the Yoruba 'tribe' of Nigeria, is a descendant of a people numbering 45 million. That's the population of that ''tribe'', and it comprises people from all social strata including priests, farmers, car salesmen, programmers, taxi drivers, doctors, engineers, scientists, admirals, and college professors. So much for ''primitive tribe''.

The traditional customs of the Yoruba, such as divine kingship, elaborate burials, circumcision, oracles, ancestor veneration, masquerades, and multitudinous deities, are a direct replica of ancient Nile Valley practices.

They even built a hundred mile kingdom rampart complete with barracks, a structure that's over a thousand years old and, according to experts, required more earth moved than that used to construct the Great Pyramid of Giza.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07EFD8113CF933A1575AC0A96F9582 60

The Yoruba have detailed traditions of ancient migration from the Nile Valley - most scholars think they arrived Nigeria onwards of 663 AD after the Arab hordes overran Egypt, and sought to enslave its inhabitants and/or convert them to Islam. The Yorubas held tight to their Ifa religion, which, when you examine its precepts, is barely distinguishable from ancient Egyptian cosmology.

A great number of Yoruba words mean the same thing in Mdu Netr, the ancient Egyptian language. Read The History of the Yorubas by the late eminent Nigerian historian Prof. Olumide Lucas, for word lists and fuller details.

Another West African ''tribe'' an African American may be descended from are the 40 million strong Igbos, also of Nigeria. They have strong, heavily documented historical connections to ancient Israel, and Egypt, and a great many of their customs are identical to Jewish/Nile Valley practices. They even built mini pyramids!

http://mccoy.lib.siu.edu/jmccall/jones/igbo/arunsi10.JPG
http://csweb.bournemouth.ac.uk/africanlegacy/images/nsude_pyramids.jpg

Compare to Step Pyramid, Saqqara Egypt.

http://www.suziemanley.com/images/step_pyramid.jpg

Source
http://csweb.bournemouth.ac.uk/africanlegacy/culture.htm

There is much evidence that many of the ''tribes'' ( a more accurate term would be ethnic groups or nationalities) of West and Central Africa are descendants of Nile Valley migrants from antiquity. There is much evidence that in the distant past, North Africa, and farther out including Europe and the middle east was home to large populations of black Africans, who were responsible for the early civilization of those lands.

There is wide support for this position provided by ancient European historians and explorers, such as Diodorus Siculus, who wrote extensively about the 'Aithiopians', the generic term for black Africans used by the Greeks:

....................

(1st century B.C., Diodorus Siculus of Sicily, Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus, Universal History Book III. 2. 4-3. 3)

Diodorus devoted an entire chapter of his world history, the Bibliotheke Historica, or Library of History (Book 3), to the Kushites ["Aithiopians"] of Meroe. Here he repeats the story of their great piety, their high favor with the gods, and adds the fascinating legend that they were the first of all men created by the gods and were the founders of Egyptian civilization, invented writing, and had given the Egyptians their religion and culture. (3.3.2).

“Now they relate that of all people the Aithiopians [Ethiopians] were the earliest, and say that the proofs of this are clear. That they did not arrive as immigrants but are the natives of the country and therefore rightly are called authochthonous is almost universally accepted. That those who live in the South are likely to be the first engendered by the earth is obvious to all. For as it was the heat of the sun that dried up the earth while it was still moist, at the time when everything came into being, and caused life, they say it is probable that it was the region closest to the sun that first bore animate beings”.

[160,000-year-old fossilized skulls uncovered in Ethiopia are oldest anatomically modern humans.]

Diodorus continues:

“They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Aithiopians are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity,”

“The Aithiopians [Ethiopians] say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement.The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian. Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them.”

“There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes [i.e. besides those centered at Meroe]; some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces, and curly hair”.

(Diodous Siculus, Bibliotheke, 3. Translated by Tomas Hagg, in Fontes Historiae Nubiorum, vol. II: From the Mid-Fifth to the First Century BC (Bergen, Norway, 1996))

Regards

fist fury

27-12-2008, 01:51 AM

Those little mounds are somehow evidence that those blacks are connected to ancient egyptians? that's pretty week, considering there is absolutely no evidence of west and southern africans sharing any similarities with Egyptian civlization.

Of course trading occured, but that's completely different from linking people as being directly related to each other.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Afro-Asiatic.png/300px-Afro-Asiatic.png

This map shows the language families spoken in African. Afro-Asiatic includes Arabic, Hebrew, Egyptian. The other languages are native to Africoid tribes. Where is the connection?

It is also true that blacks have interbreeded with other people from East Africa, Egypt, Arabia, but so were others who imported blacks as slaves into their nations.

This is an aboriginal man from Yemen

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2021/2214744328_440a899c5a.jpg

This is a west African black

http://blogs.kansascity.com/photos/uncategorized/dwight_a_arrington_homicide_suspect_1.jpg

The first one would be how the original Egyptians/Hebrews/Afro-Asiatics looked like.

This whole non-sense of a romanticized 'black spark, white fire' is pure myth. Its true that blacks had their own civilizations, like those in Zimbabwe. But these were short living, and relatively inferior to other great civilizations in Asia, India, Europe.

Also the so called blacks of west africa have been killing and commiting genocide against the aboriginal "negrito" people of central Africa. This is occuring to this day in Rwanda and other parts.

in_the_midst_of_wolves

27-12-2008, 06:54 AM

This is a re-iteration of the crux of my original argument:
i.e that the Egyptians were 'black' people.

After my first post, there followed a further two posts: the former (byfelakuti) dealing with the origins of the Egyptians and the latter (by fist fury) being mainly a response to this proposed explanation.
Please do not view my post as directly addressing the points made by these two posters as I feel that there is enough information directly relating to the appearance of the Egyptian people themselves that I do not feel the need to go in to their ancestry (although of course I would welcome anybody who has any relevant evidence pertaining to this).

When I say they (the Egyptians) were 'black', I reluctantly use the term we have all come to know as a reference to our brothers and sisters of African (as far as we know) descent.
Think of it as a broad term, encompassing a variety of 'blacks' just as the term 'European' would encompass a variety of 'Europeans'.
Africa is a large continent, with her lands lying along the equator as well as to the north and south of "the line".
So whilst her people are generally refered to as 'blacks', they are just as varied in appearance (if not more so), than any other 'category' of human.
I could go on, maybe even throw in pictures of typical Somalians as compared to Kenyans or Nigerians, but I think I have made my point regarding the non-uniformity inherant within the 'black type'.
It goes without saying that even within so-called sub-races there is massive variation in skin tone as well as facial-features and body-types.

So if we are proposing that the standard understanding of the identity of the Egyptians and ultimately the Hebrew Israelites is in need of revision, we must first understand what it is that needs to be revised (I think that's pretty clear, see the thread title) as well as what the actual revision is.

Herodotus:
"It is in fact manifest that the Colchidians are Egyptians by race ... several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchidians were descended
from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly because they have black skins and kinky hair and secondly
and more reliably for the reason that alone among mankind the Egyptians and Ethiopians have practised circumcision since time immemorial.
The Phoenicians and Syrians of Palestine themselves admit that they learnt the practice from the Egyptians while the Syrians in the River Thermodon
and Pathenios region and their neighbours the Macronssay, learned it recently from the Colchidian."

Peace

emerald

27-12-2008, 02:49 PM

felakuti

27-12-2008, 04:54 PM

Those little mounds are somehow evidence that those blacks are connected to ancient egyptians? that's pretty weak, considering there is absolutely no evidence of west and southern africans sharing any similarities with Egyptian civlization.

Pyramids served as spiritual portals, places where one could sit, meditate, and connect with the multidimensional universe. Thus the essence supercedes physical scale, something that's dependent on state wealth and available building resources.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Afro-Asiatic.png/300px-Afro-Asiatic.png

This map shows the language families spoken in African. Afro-Asiatic includes Arabic, Hebrew, Egyptian. The other languages are native to Africoid tribes. Where is the connection?

Your 'map of languages' is a very modern construct which does not take into consideration the ancient migration of Africans from north to south, and is thus invalid as an indicator of the ethnicity of the original Egyptians.

This is an aboriginal man from Yemen

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2021/2214744328_440a899c5a.jpg

This is a west African black

http://blogs.kansascity.com/photos/uncategorized/dwight_a_arrington_homicide_suspect_1.jpg

The first one would be how the original Egyptians/Hebrews/Afro-Asiatics looked like.

This whole non-sense of a romanticized 'black spark, white fire' is pure myth. Its true that blacks had their own civilizations, like those in Zimbabwe. But these were short living, and relatively inferior to other great civilizations in Asia, India, Europe.

Actually the nonsense comes from a foreigner like yourself having the audacity to classify WE Africans according to your baseless and ignorant criteria. For your information, the African race encompasses a variety of phenotypes, far more so than any other race, none of which are enough to separate them from the whole. A black African with 'aquiline' features is a black African, just as much as a black African with 'non aquiline' features is a black African. Often we find both features (and others besides) within the same ethnic group.

Thus, we reject your puerile attempts to divide Africans according to your discredited, racist ideologies.

Now, time for some education.

"The Colchians, Ethiopians and Egyptians have thick lips,
broad nose, woolly hair and they are burnt of skin."
-- Herodotus, 450 BC

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp340_big_copy.jpg
Pharaoh Tutunkhamun

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp311_big_copy.jpg
Rameses II

The original Egyptians were unmixed pure black folks. When they were at the pinnacle of their glory they were not a mixed group by any means. During the middle dynasties especially (and later) when people migrated to this great land there was some intermarrying. This is natural and doesn't need to be debated. It was even done within royalty lines at times to solidify alliances, which was a common practice between powers during that period of history. Chancellor Williams refers to this phenomenon in his book "The Destruction of Black Civilization." And frankly, he theorizes that this mixing was part of the reason for the fall of Black Civilization. Nevertheless, there was never so much of this that at any time the ancient Egyptians could ever be classified as other than a black people.

It's reasonable to say that Egypt was a gateway for the meeting and interchange of goods, ideas, and people; and that the Egyptians were themselves a unique expression of human strength, beauty, intelligence and diversification. Ancient Egypt was an African civilization. It is also interesting to note that the Biblical record states "Israel also came into Egypt...the land of Ham." (Psalm 105: 23).

Plus we need to be reminded that Egypt is in Africa (not the Middle East) and that all of the Pharaohs (up to and including the 25th Dynasty) would have been required to "sit at the back of a bus" in the 1940s in Montgomery Alabama. Let's allow the pictures to speak for themselves...Ready?

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/ImageFiles/Narmer.jpg
Narmer (Aha, Menes): First unifier of Upper & Lower Egypt,
and the Pharaoh of the 1st Dynasty.

http://sankofaworldpublishers.com/Queen%20Tiye.jpg
Queen Tiye, Grandmother of Pharaoh Tutunkhamun

http://www.geocities.com/queenlara.geo/menkaure.jpg
Pharaoh Menkaure, son of Kafre (or Kufu)
Note West African names

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp095_150pixBest_copy.jpg
When visiting Egypt today, this is what we see of The Sphinx of Giza.

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/images/Sphinx_drawing_best_cropped.jpg
This is what Vivant Denon saw in 1798 before the Sphinx was defaced in order to obfuscate its Negroid features.

Excerpts from:

http://law.cua.edu/comparativelaw/ghana/index.htm

II. Brief Ancient History of the People of Ghana

The elders of West Africa, particularly Ghana, who are well aware of the migratory paths of most ancient West African populations will tell you that the majority of the [ethnic groups] that you find in West Africa now were not always there. In fact, they almost uniformly attribute their origins to the northeast, ancient Egypt to be precise.

After the Greek, Roman, and finally the Ottoman Turkish invasions of Egypt the majority of the ancient Egyptian population sought refuge in southern Egypt and the northern Sudan, which is now called Nubia. However, although some of the ancient Egyptians remained in Nubia and still do to this day, the majority of the ancient Egyptian population (millions) migrated across the Sahara desert and established various settlements along the Shahel between Lake Chad and the area that is now known as Senegal. The majority of this movement happened around 1000 A.D.

The resulting confederation of small settlements was known as Sonnike Wagadu or commonly know as ancient Ghana. These natural descendants from ancient Egypt began to disperse even further throughout West Africa, but their common root in ancient Egypt remained evident. For example, the spiritual, cultural, and linguistic similarities between certain West African populations made a common ancestor evident.

However, western anthropologists unintentionally or intentionally disregarded the link between ancient Egypt and West African populations. This great historical deception was executed even in the face of strong evidence linking various West African populations to themselves and ultimately to the unsurpassed achievements of the ancient Egyptians. To this day, any honest anthropologist can see the parallels between the cosmology of the Dogon in Mali and the ancient Egyptians, the spiritual system of the Ife [Yoruba] in Nigeria and that of the ancient Egyptians, the language similarities between the Bantu and the ancient Egyptians, and the concept of divine kingship as found in contemporary Ghana and that of ancient Egypt.

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Excerpts from:

http://www.mythome.org/ojlucas.html

The evidence for Ancient Egyptian religion's powerful influence on many African religions may be summarised under the following headings:

Language
Religious Ideas
Religious Practices
Bodily Mutilations
Funeral Rites
Knowledge
Social Practices
Names
Sacred Numbers
Dress
Hieroglyphics and Emblems

LANGUAGE
The structure of the Egyptain language and some West African languages such as Yoruba are similiar. Through similarity of root words, combinations of root words to form compound words, and a single word used for a variety of meanings, all these are used to show commonality with the ancient Egyptian language.
West African words derived from Ancient Egyptian are numerous; if these are withdrawn from the languages, only an unintelligible framework will be left.

Also reference may be made to the term Orisa, Orise, as Lisa, Leza, Arusi, Aruosa or Alusi, the use of which is widespread West Africa and in East Africa as the name of the Supreme Deity or diety or an idol. The word is derived from Horu-sa-Ast, The following passage written by Lord Raglan and dealing with the diffusion of religious illustrates what we mean:

We find in most parts of the world religious terms with a wide distribution Such are `god' and its related forms in Northern Europe, Semitic-speaking lands, `jok' in Central Africa, `atua' in Polynesia. There are a great many other words which have a religious connotation and which in the same or similar forms cover hundreds or even thousands of miles. Since it cannot be an instinct which causes some people to call a divine being `god' and others to call him 'el,' it follows that all who use one of these terms must have derived their ideas of the supernatural, vocabulary or religious terms from a common source, a common ancestor of all these similarly phrased words.

West African religious phraseology is deeply impregnated by Ancient Egyptian phraseology. Vocabulary exist in parts of West Africa that are similar to, or identical with, those of Ancient Egypt: hence the irresistible inference of a close connection between those parts of West Africa and Ancient Egypt. Orisa for example, is a religious term widely distributed over thousands of miles in West Africa and in East Africa, its source of diffusion being the Ancient Egyptian form of [Horus Ast and] Osiris.

Religious Ideas
(i) The general religious ideas of the Ancient Egyptians have survived in West Africa. A supreme deity is recognized, but worship is given to the local deities and ancestors.
(ii) The Great Gods of Ancient Egypt. The great gods have survived in West Africa in name or attributes or in both. Special reference may be made to Osiris, Ra, Amen, Ptah, Min and Horus, all of whose ideas have survived in East and West African religions.
(iii) Ideas relating to the divinity of kings, such as the references to the Sed Festival are seen in East and West Africa.
(iv) Ideas relating to future life, to the judgment after death, and to the practice of making earthly provision for the requirements of the dead in the next world are recognized in several places. Particular attention should be paid to the doctrines of the Ka and of the Khu.
(v) Ideas relating to the pig and other sacred animals, the observance of festivals, the importance of dancing, the prominence given to singing and the efficacy of offerings suggest connections. The survival of the Mock King of Ancient Egypt has also suggested connections.
(vi) The Chapters on Magic in West Africa show how closely related to the Magical Ideas and Practices in Ancient Egypt are those of West Africa. The similarity and identity of amulets have been noted. The amulet of the head-rest in Ancient Egypt has survived in the Sika Gua, "The Golden Stool" of the Ashantis and other emblems in West Africa The distinction between Heka as White Magic and Hekat as Black Magic survives in West Africa.

Particular attention must be paid to the fact that some of the ideas mentioned above did not exist in the pre-dynastic periods and that the worship of the different gods which came into prominence during the respective dynastic periods survive in West Africa. Khnum, for example, was probably a pre-dynastic deity, but it was during the dynastic period that the conception of him as a potter came into existence, and the old ideas associated with him had become lost before the Ptolemaic times. Khnum is known to West Africans only as a "Creator god, a Potter."

Religious Practices
The survival of religious practices is another indicator. These practices centre around

(a) places of worship,
(b) services in groves and shrines,
(c) illustrations,
(d) use of music,
(e) training for the priesthood,
(f) priests and their functions,
(g) dedicated objects, and
(h) oracles.

Here again it may be observed that practices distinctive of the dynastic times, such as the ways of training candidates for the priesthood and the performance of mystery plays at Abydos, survive in West Africa. The wearing of the leopard's skin by the Chief Priest in dynastic times also survives in West Africa. The "templum" idea, associated with the priesthood in Egypt and in West Africa, was a development of dynastic times.

Body Mutilations
The bodily mutilations are as follows:

A.Circumcision. The Ancient Egyptians attached great importance to this rite, especially among the priests.
B. Excision. This rite was also practised by the Ancient Egyptians. Piercing of ears and nose and tattoing. These practices started during the pre-historic period and were maintained during a great part of the dynastic times.
C.Shaving. This was one of the restrictions laid upon the priests. All these practices survive in West Africa.

Funeral Practices
The Ancient Egyptian funeral rites survive in West Africa. Starting from the pre-historic rite of dismembering or unfleshing the body, to the practice of skull or heart removal and then on to the practice of mummification, the traces of which survive in the practice of wrapping up dead bodies like mummies, the Ancient Egyptian rites survive in their different stages.

Knowledge
There has been survival of pottery, glass and glaze work, stone work, and metal work closely resembling those of the dynastic Egyptians.
The West African time measurement is based on Egyptian ideas. The four-day week and its extensions-the eight-day week or the sixteen-day week-are based on Egyptian ideas. The seven-day week is a survival of each section of the udjat (odjo-t) or the full moon period consisting of two sections, each of seven days.
The West African systems of numeration and the names of numbers provide their own evidence in support of the theory of contact with Ancient Egypt.

Social Practices
The social practices relating to salutations, respect for elders, importance of oaths, observance of moderation, and others as observed in West Africa are similar to those of Ancient Egypt. Several moral maxims have survived which are clearly derived from Ancient Egypt.

Names
(a) The importance of names, as constituting an integral part of the human economy, is the same in West Africa as it was in Ancient Egypt. This has been pointed out above.
(b) The names of the deities which survive in West Africa are numerous, including SOB-KU, which survives as the name of a tribe, that is, SOBO, in Southern Nigeria, as does MIN in the name of two tribes, that is MINA in Togo-land and Dahomey, and IGBO-MINA in Yorubaland and HA-OIRI-T survives as A-WO-RI, the name of a tribe in Yoruba land, U PTAH, "The living soul of Ptah" survives in Yorubaland as JAKUTA, and ADUMU survives as the name of the Supreme Deity of the Ijaws in Southern Nigeria.
(c) Names of animals. O.J. Lucas gives under "The Religion of the Yorubas" a list containing thirty names of animals which are derived from Ancient Egyptian words.
(d) Names of places. A select list of the Ancient Egyptian names of places which have survived in West Africa from Egypt is also given in O.J. Lucas' book.
(e) Other names:
DANGA, the name of dwarfs in Ancient Egypt, survives as DANGA in Yorubaland, e.g. to bi danga "go as quickly as a Danga dwarf." KHAFRA survives in AFARA, e.g. ma je afara, "do not be afara," that is, do not delay, otherwise you will be caught and pressed into compulsory service as King Khafra did in Ancient Egypt.

Sacred Numbers
According to Professor E. Wallis Budge, the sacred numbers in Ancient Egypt are "3, 4, 7, 9, 27, 42, 75, 77, 110, etc. Thus we have three gods, the triad), the three divisions of the world, heaven, sky, and Tuat; four sons of Horus, four quarters of the world, four blazing flames. ..four stairs, four doors of heaven, four rudders of heaven, four vessels of blood, four vessels of milk, seven Arits, seven hawks, seven-headed serpent, seven scorpions of Isis, seven Spirits; nine gods in a Company, nine chiefs, nine mutchis, nine nations who use the bow; twenty-seven gods (three Companies 9 x 3); forty-two nomes, forty-two assessors; seventy-five Aresses to Ra; seventy-seven in magical papyri; one hundred and ten years the limit of a man's life.

Nearly all the above numbers are sacred in West Africa. According to Dr. Parrinder,
"Three and its multiples, and seven, are generally sacred. At Porto Novo, during funeral rites, a male corpse is placed nine times in the grave before final rest, a female seven times; for nine evenings following a fire is kept up at the threshold of the funeral chamber, seven evenings for a woman; the same nine-seven motif is observed in infancy rites and in skull removal. The belief is current among Fort and Yoruba that men have nine pairs of ribs and women seven. To these may be added the Ewe, Yoruba and lbo four-day week, the Ashanti seven-day week, the forty-two days constituting an Adae ceremony period, the Yoruba expression meje-meje "seven-seven" and other examples of the numbers, notably the threefold and the fourfold formulae.

It is noteworthy that all the numbers are considered sacred by the dynastic Egyptians; there is no evidence that they were confined to the pre-dynastic period or that all the sacred numbers existed in that period. Many of the numbers (e.g. the forty-two assessors) relate to ideas which were developed only during the dynastic period.

Dress
Attention has been called to the similarity of the dress of priests in Ancient Egypt to that used by priests in West Africa. In Ancient Egypt the high priest used to wear the skin of a panther (black leopard). in West Africa the high priest as well as other priests wears the skin of a leopard.
Some of the pre-dynastic Egyptians, and even some dynastic Egyptians on occasions, go naked. Children, too, up to a certain age go naked. All these survive in West Africa as well as some of the types of clothing used in Ancient Egypt

Hieroglyphics
Hieroglyphics and emblems used by the pre-dynastic Egyptians and the dynastic Egyptians survive in West Africa. They constitute a piece of evidence which opponents of the theory of Egyptian influence on West Africa have not been able to assail.
The Hieroglyphics and the emblems which survive in West Africa have been described by O.J. Lucas. Their origin is distinctly Egyptian-not "Phoenician" or "Atlantic," not "Islamic" or "Arabian," not "Mesopotamian" or "Oriental," not "Hebraic" or "Palestinian," not "unknown" or connected with some "primitive level of ideas, current in pre-historic Africa."

(rolls eyes)

CONCLUSION: (from O.J. Lucas):
The evidence has demonstrated the impress of Ancient Egyptian culture on West African culture. It has dispelled the thick mist surrounding the origin of several West African names, such as Fanti, Asanti, Foil, Yoruba Salug, which have hitherto been described as ''unknown''. It has thrown light on several West African words hitherto described as ''inexplicable''. It has led to the "decipherment" of Hieroglyphics in West Africa.

The evidence adduced in this work in support of the theory of Egyptian influence is cumulative; each piece of evidence is sufficiently strong to ensure the solidity of the whole of the evidential structure. The cumulative effect of the evidence makes it irrefragable. Efforts hitherto made to destroy some parts of the evidence have invariably resulted in the production of additional materials in support of the theory.

With one more important proof of the close relation existing between the Ancient Egyptian religion and the West African Religions this work can now close. It is the identity of the philosophical or the metaphysical outlook in both cases. In the case of the Ancient Egyptian religion Dr C- P. Tiele says,
"The leading thought of the Egyptian religion, that which had on the whole most struck the Egyptian, and which he accordingly reproduced most prominently in his theology is: life in its eternal unchangeable foundation, and its innumerable modes of manifestation, 'Life, health, well-being' (arch, uza, seneb) is his motto, the sum of all his wishes.

The indestructibleness of life, in spite of the hostile powers of death and destruction, was what constituted his whole faith and all this was his great dogma, and all his innumerable symbols were rallied to aid him in giving it expression."'

The Egyptian motto "Life, Health, Well-being" or "Life, Health, Strength," survives in West African religious phraseology and exercises no less influence on West Africans than it did on the Ancient Egyptians. The idea of life, and the word expressive of it, figure prominently in West African religious conception. The West African metaphysical outlook is identical with that of the Ancient Egyptians.

Writers on West African Religions have described the metaphysical or philosophical outlook in terms which are almost identical with those used by Dr Tiele in the passage quoted above. Writing about the African philosophy of life-a term which undoubtedly includes the West African philosophy of life-Dr Parrinder says:
"This metaphysical outlook has been clearly expressed by Father Temples. He introduces his thesis in these words: `There are, in the mouths of black people, certain words which recur incessantly. These are those which express the supreme values. They are like variations upon a leitmotiv which is found in their language, their thought and in all their deeds and gestures.
`This supreme value is force, forceful living, vital force.
`Of all the strange habits, of which we grasp neither the rhyme nor the reason, the Bantu say that they serve to acquire vigour or vital force, to live forcibly, to reinforce life, or to assure its continuity in their descendants.'

This conception is not only of the Bantu, but perhaps of most parts of Africa.

"Force, power, energy, vitality, life, dynamism - these are the operative notions behind prayers to God, invocations of divinities, offering to ancestors, everything that may be termed religion, including therein what we are pleased to designate `magic' or `medicine.' The aim of all these practices being to strengthen and affirm life." A study of prayers. ..will reveal most often the chief characteristic to be a demand: "Give me life, force, increase of family."

The words generally used by West Africans are the words of the Ancient Egyptian formula: "Life, Health, Strength."

It is this great and uplifting metaphysical outlook that has enabled the West African peoples to face the difficulties of existence with fortitude, to survive such gruelling experiences as those which were caused by the trans-Atlantic slave trade, and to strengthen their faith with buoyant expectancy of a bright future.

It is this philosophy of life that has prevented the indigenous religions from being swept away by the powerful current of western civilization. Indigenous religions will lose their hold only in proportion to the extent that Christianity, or for that matter any other religion, exercises sufficiently strong influence to satisfy this deepest longing of the West African mind for life and to effect a practical realization of the truth of the saying: "I have come that men may have life, and may have it in all its fullness."

"Each town, and indeed each village, honoured its own divinity, adored by the respective inhabitants. The Egyptians believed that each place was inhabited by a great number of spirits, and that the lesser ones were subject to the chief spirit."
Dr Margaret A. Murray feels that "by dividing the deities of Egypt into four categories the bewildering pantheon becomes intelligible. The categories which are far from being watertight compartments, are as follows:

I. Local Gods, originally animals, later represented with human bodies and animal heads.
2. Osiris and the attendant deities.
3. Deities without temples, originally belonging to the Pharaoh only.
4. The sill, and other deities.
The forms of the religion according to the chronological order accepted by most of the leading Egyptologists are as follows:

1. The Religion of Thinis-Abydos. The gods worshipped were: Osiris (Asiri, Osiri, or Ausar, Lord of Abydos, Sun-god, Son of Scb and Nu; later described as Horus the Elder), Isis (wife of Osiris); Horus the Younger (Horu-sa-Ast or Hori-se-Ast, son of Osiris and Isis; later husband of his mother); Nephthys (the sister of Isis and the husband of Set), Hathor (identified with Isis), Thoth (Telnuti or Zehu, god of time, eternity, righteousness and widom) and Maat the goddess of truth and righteousness.

2.The religion of Heliopolis: The gods worshipped were: Ra (the sun god identified with Osiris and Horus). Atum (or Tum name for the same functional good in the Lower Kingdom), Shu the life giver born without a mother, and Tefnut his wife.

3. Religion under the Old Kingdom: The capital was Memphis, and the chief gods were Ptah, Sechet (Bast), Neith.

4. Religion under the Middle Kingdom: Munt, Chem (Min), Cheminis, Amon, Khnum, Sebek, Tannit, Hapi.

5. Religion under the New Kingdom: Sutech(Set, as chief diety), Amun-Ra, Mut, Khonsu, Aten(Sun god) and Aten-Ra (another sun god).

6. Religion from fall of Thebes to the Persian Conquests: Khnum was the chief god, god of creativity and life giving in general, Ra (the upper heavens) and Shu(air), Set (earth), and Osiris(underworld).

The fundamentals of the religion was (according to Wallis Budge):

1. Belief in the immortality of the soul and the recognition of friends and relatives after death.

2. Belief in the resurrection of the spiritual body occuring after death.

3. Belief in the continued existence of the heart-soul, the Ka and it's shadow.

4. Belief in transmutation of offerings and the efficiency of funerary sacrifices and gifts.

5. Belief in the power of words including names, incantations.

6. Belief in a judgment, the good rewarded with everlasting life, the evil destroyed.

It should also be noted that the common people were not often admitted to the temples of the great gods, and the practices of the common people differed from the religion rituals performed by the priests. Magic became explicitly entwined during the Roman period with the religion as it then existed.

Professor E. A. Wallis Budge says:
"Greek writers tell us that their own sages and philosophers, Archimedes, Hecataeus, Plato, Pythagoras, Solon, Thales, went and studied in Egypt in order to become acquainted with the wisdom and learning of the Egyptians.... Stephen the Martyr, in his dying speech (Acts vii, 22) says that Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians."

It is clear that the influence of Egypt on civilizations in Europe, Asia and North Africa as well as America and Australia through Europe is acknowledged. This acknowledgment can be seen in several other works than those quoted above. Somehow, the influence of Egypt on African countries south of the Sahara has not received such attention from writers.

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Excerpts from:
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/000994.html

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/097019000X/qid=1100144147/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-3481765-9155904?v=glance&s=books

This author, Dr. Nana Banchie Darkwah, is a Akan (Ghanian) king. In his book "The Africans Who Wrote The Bible" he asserts that the Akan [ukAn´, Ak´un] people were the core of Egyptian society.

He primarily uses one discipline and that is linguistics. For example, everybody knows of the ancient king Akhenaten. In Dr. Darkwah's books he says that the name "Akhenaten" is a transposed African name. "Akhenaten" is the Greek translation of the royal (Denkyira) name "Akenten". Even today the current Denkyirahene king is named Nana (King) Oti Akenten.

Another example is the boy king "Tutankhamun". In his book Dr. Nana Banchie says this is another Greek translation of the royal Akuapem names "Tutu" and "Ankoma".

Dr. Darkwah is Aduana royalty himself and apparently he has a book called "Egypt: The story Africa has never told" in the works.

I have read "The Africans Who Wrote The Bible" several times and I must say I have accepted it as fact for several reasons.

1) Through cross referencing I've found that Akan culture is identical to ancient Egyptian culture. For example, the Akan have matrilineal traditions. Another being the worship of Asaase Yaa (Isis) and Osoro (Osirus).

2) King Darkwah's linguistic expertise is undeniable. He says the first king to unite Egypt, "Menes", indigenous name is "Omane" and that is a Kwahu name. Another example is his assertion that the ancient city "Memphis" is really called "Mamfe" and is even a current Akuapem city.

3) When we discuss ancient Egyptians we talk as if they're extinct. True there are descendants of the ancient Egyptians still in Upper Egypt, the Horn of Africa and other East African areas but who can say the kingship is lost? Who can say the descendants of the ancient Egyptians are only concentrated in these areas?

4) I know a young guy who is very much into Egyptology. He's part Egyptian himself. I beat him in the head with my findings for a long time and he admits that the Akan (and other W. African groups like the Yoruba) may have very well been in Egypt during the Old Kingdom. That would explain the linguistic and cultural similarities.

5) I can't recall anytime in history where an African king writes a book discussing ancient secrets of his people. In his book he even has a picture of Akan furniture (Asesedwa) and this stool has the same exact design Egyptians had 4,000 years ago.

I suggest all interested parties and aspiring Egyptologists study this book. It has a wealth of information. When you're done and you’re still not convinced, do some independent studying and see what you find.

When I did my studying I found out the Kwa language (Niger-Kordofanian) came from the Chadic languages. So called Semitic (Afro-Asiatic) languages.

I’ve also found that the Akan’s written language consists of symbols, just like the ancient Egyptians.

In his book, The Destruction of Black Civilization, black scholar, Chancellor Williams informs us that history has proven that a number of tactics were employed by western anthropologists to blot out black accomplishments. Here is a list of Williams' observations about how anthropologists chose to operate:

1. "Ignore or refuse to publish any facts of African history" that would not
support their racial theories.

2. "Create a religious and 'scientific' doctrine" to ease the white conscience
for oppressing and enslaving African people.

3. "Flood the world with hastily thrown together African 'histories'" that
contain European perspectives only.

4. "Start renaming people and places. Replace African names of persons,
places, and things with Arabic and European names." This will disguise
their true black identity.

5. Change the criteria for defining race. For example, one drop of Negro
blood in America makes you a Negro, no matter how light your skin.
When reporting ancient history, reverse the standard. Make one drop of
white blood render someone a Caucasian no matter how dark the skin.
(Test this criteria during the "riding-at-the-back-of the-bus" era of the
South during the 1940s in the USA. Be assured that any of the Pharaoh's
of Egypt, especially up to and including the 25th Dynasty, would have
been required to sit at the back of the bus.)

6. When black participation in civilization is so obvious your best schemes
can't hide it, find a way to attribute the success to outside white
influence.

7. When all the ancient historians contradict your theory, seek to discredit
them.

felakuti

27-12-2008, 04:57 PM

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Man from the Old Kingdom

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Pharaoah Nymare Amenhemet

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Priest 2nd Dynasty

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Priest 22nd Dynasty

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Sphinx of King Amenhemet

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felakuti

27-12-2008, 04:59 PM

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King Hotepsemuri

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Sphinx from Tanu

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Pharaoh Userkaf 5th Dynasty

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Pharaoh Kafre

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Pharaoh Menkaure

in_the_midst_of_wolves

27-12-2008, 05:33 PM

It all starts to smell like Afro/blackcentrism and it shouldnt. It is a well known fact that the Jews tended to mix with populations with great heroes/past/history, impose their religion, the result being such nonsense for instance as Black Hebrews IMO at least. Same thing happened with khazars.

Interesting theory, emerald. It ties in with the idea that the Khazars took their culture to India thousands of years ago,
inter-breeding with them and teaching them 'hinduism' and the caste system (which is based on skin colour, the lighter-skinned, and therefore purer-blood types being the highest caste).

Thing is, all of the evidence seems to point towards the Egyptian civilisation being much older.

Secondly, we also have the problem of there being other Africans (such as Somalians and Ethiopians) who would share characteristics with the ancient Egyptians.
I
n fact Emperor Menelik I was the son of King Solomon (descendant of Moses, who passed as an Egyptian for 40 years).
Menelik I ruled Ethiopia around 950 BC and it is said that he brought the Ark of the Covenant to Ethiopia upon returning to his mothers kingdom (his mother being Queen of Sheba, his father was of course, King Solomon).
The Queen of Sheba's exact origins have been disputed, but all of the different theories point to a very definate African point of origin.

Going back to the ancient Egyptians, we know that their civilisation is at least (conservatively) 5,000 years old:

Narmer was an Egyptian Pharaoh who ruled in the 31st century BC. Thought to be the successor to the predynastic Scorpion and/or Ka, he is considered by some to be the unifier of Egypt and founder of the First dynasty, and therefore the first king of all Egypt.

Based on your theory then, the Khazars must have been around before even them?
Please understand that I hold no particular bias or sacred view on the subject, I am merely seeking the truth wherever it may take me.

Peace

slayer of cliffracers

27-12-2008, 10:42 PM

Jews are a Religion not a Race.

supertzar

28-12-2008, 12:54 AM

Jewishness is passed to the offspring through the maternal lineage, so it kind of blurs the line between religion and race, wouldn't you say?

fist fury

28-12-2008, 01:14 AM

emerald

28-12-2008, 01:06 PM

in_the_midst_of_wolves

28-12-2008, 07:52 PM

I won't mention any names, because I'm not interested in fueling further conflict here, but I think that peoples passions have inflamed this topic in to a race war (potentially).
This is not why I came to this forum.

As far as I am concerned, a dispassionate analysis of the facts as I see them has led me to the position that the Egyptians were 'black'.
I feel that I made a case for this view, as well as demonstrating how I came to agree with the original posters view that the true Hebrew Israelites were/are also 'black' people.
This is of historical significance; and understanding this view, if it is true (I was hoping others would help me with this) is pretty huge.
Please see my previous posts for a more elaborate presentation of my total (current) understanding of this subject.

It would seem that the following must be said:
No matter what colour the person, or his geographical origin, he or she is ultimately a part of the human family.
It is my belief that we are all Gods creation and in this respect we are all equal.
So I do not subscribe to any supremacist views and have no interest in dividing people in to classes or castes.
I only seek the truth.
We are on page 6 now and I still haven't seen anything that contradicts my position.
Anyone?

Peace

felakuti

29-12-2008, 01:18 AM

felakuti is only representing a segment of the ancient egyptian population. there was no "pure black folk" origin in the way he is trying to convey. that's a laughable idea.

and completely ignores the ancient Africoid tribes that have existed in Africa for thousands of years. Its like picking and choosing only certain segments of a population and creating an identity that has no basis in reality. The majority of West Africans, including those that came to the Americas as slaves have nothing in common with Ancient Egyptians.

It really would help if you presented sources to back up your claims like I did. If you notice, most of my sources came from ancient European (Greek) writers and explorers contemporary to ancient Egypt, who described the ancient Egyptians as black skinned (melanchroes) with wooly hair, ie negroid. To dispute this, you need to show credible sources which contradict the historical accounts - something you've not done.

So far, you've simply written off the top of your head, which is not good enough if we are to reach for the truth here.

Instead the fact that the Yoruba appear to been of mixed origin

What do you mean by ''mixed origin''? Mixed with whom? The Yoruba accounts state that they arrived Nigeria led by Oduduwa from the Nile Valley, escaping Islamic hordes bent on converting/enslaving the native Egyptian population. This tallies with the well-documented Arab invasion of Egypt in 663 AD under the command of General Al Has Amin. The Yorubas sought to protect their religious heritage and not succumb to conversion to Islam and enslavement, hence their migration southwards - similar to other black African groups like the Igbo, Ashanti, Wollof and so on.

proves that even the ancient culture of the northeast African aborigines is superior to that of present day West Africans.

I've no clue what you mean by ''northeast African aborigenes'' - even less what you mean by ''superior culture''. Perhaps your racist friends at Stormfront or the KKK may wish to elucidate further on your terminology.

Actual Africoid religion and practices include worshipping feces, and building houses with feces, raping babies, smelling jenkem (fermented feces) and other forms of savegery still occuring to this day.

Could you provide sources for all these claims please? Thanks in advance.

Oh, and while you're at it, I don't suppose the regular orgies featuring the bombing to death of thousands of innocent men, women and children by your leaders on false pretences, (to steal their land and resources) from Hiroshima to Baghdad, or the genocide of millions of native Americans, says a thing or two about white barbarity, no?

To be honest, I'd rather worship feces.

Yes, the Egyptians were a dark people

What do you mean by ''a dark people''.

There's no race known as ''a dark people''.

Care to expand?

who over time absorbed other African groups, as well as Arab, etc, but this occured in East Africa. And only much later have remnants of that culture spread into western parts of Africa.

Sources please?

So felakuti is saying Egyptian knowledge spread to the Mediterrenean and West Asia thousands of years ago, yet why didnt it spread to their immediate African neighbors, those ancient Africoid tribes?

What Egyptian knowledge are you referring to?
Most of the customs and the religion of the ancient Egyptians are in practice today in West and central Africa, as opposed to say Arabia or Europe. You need to read my earlier post again - this time slowly.

If we want to be all inclusive, why not say we are all humans. But no, there are differences based on origin. And we dont need West African blacks taking advantage of our 'ignorance' in that we can't differentiate between dark colored people. Infact most of the equator of the Old World was populated with "dark people", but they werent African at all (since they have been outside Africa for thousands of years). They are partly our ancestors, but have mixed with others.

I've really no clue what you're on about here. I thought this discussion was about the origin of the ancient Egyptians? I've presented the historical record, including testimonies from Herodotus (the 'Father of History' as he is known), Diodorus of Sicily etc. I could present more testimonies if you wish (there are more) from writers of that epoch. None of them wrote that the Egyptians were anything other than black skinned with wooly hair. Or don't you know what that description entails?

Diodurus reported that the 'Aithiopians' ie Africans to the south of Egypt said that the Egyptians were colonists sent out by them, led by their leader Osiris. I would expect that by sheer historical proximity to those events, he would be in a better position to know about their origins than some pimpled, 21st century American racist, wouldn't you?

This the "reverse" supremasism of an inferior mind, make up a story of a great past, where everyone stole your ancestor's inventions, knowledge, culture, and all those contributions have magically dissapeared from your own people who are apparently still living in the stone age back in your "motherland".

Well, if one were to rely on the output of the US/western media it would appear that West Africans are living 'in the stone age' as you put it. Suffice it to add that actual visitors to those countries are usually surprised that people there don't live on trees or walk about naked, or kill each other morning till night, or 'eat, worship feces' etc etc, the way your racist media and educational system have brainwashed you into thinking.

You do afterall come from a country where most people (including no less than a VP candidate) think Africa is a single country.

I used to work in the US a long time ago. Being Nigerian, I frequently got bothered by questions from even supposedly ''well-educated'' Americans regarding whether I reared elephants in my backyard back home, or ever fought off a lion. Thus, I'm unsurprised by the crass ignorance you've displayed here.

And the majority of busts, statues of egyptians portray people who look like the aborigines of Oman and Yemen today. There are some Nubian components but this in the minority.

The busts and statues comprise elements of African groups hailing from a region encompassing East, Central, and West Africa, including the horn of Africa, ie Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, Sudan, Uganda, Eritrea, Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, Mali, et al.

I find your racist desperation to extricate Egypt from Africa and place it artificially somewhere in ''Yemen'' or ''Oman'' quite hilarious, not to mention infantile.

You can clearly differentiate Queen Tiye who is of Africoid origin because she has pronounced prognathism, while the others dont.

Prognathism is merely one of many physical features prevalent among African groups, all which can be found in all 57 nations across the continent.

Thus, basing your assessment of the Africanity or otherwise of a sculpture on its prognathism or otherwise is quite simply, ludicrous and uninformed.

Regards.

fist fury

29-12-2008, 01:44 AM

Greek accounts have to be taken with a grain of salt. They are one of the biggest distorters of facts and history in ancient times.

And the Greek themselves have some significant contribution from West Africa.

The ancient egyptians, at least the aborigine types are definetly another variation of humans. Different from black 'Nubians'.

The egyptians themselves portray and mention these differences.

http://oi.uchicago.edu/museum/nubia/i/AEP79.jpg

http://www.eriding.net/media/photos/history/egypt/050216_rfoster_mp_his_egypt0048.jpg

Back then they did not have the concept of what an 'African' is, that's a more modern construction. They simply identified themselves as people from (ironically) the black land, as in the black soil around the Nile river.

Also you can find those sources online on your own if you want. Im not going to bother searching out everything I already learned years ago.

But what is evident, is that there is no "pure black" origin of the ancient egyptians, although they did represent a component, just like the Middle Eastern types.

felakuti

29-12-2008, 03:07 AM

Greek accounts have to be taken with a grain of salt. They are one of the biggest distorters of facts and history in ancient times.

And the Greek themselves have some significant contribution from West Africa.

Why would scores of ancient eminent Greek writers conspire to tell a lie about the race of the ancient Egyptians?

Why would they describe them as black skinned with wooly hair if in fact they were white or Asiatic?

Have you any idea how silly you sound?

The ancient egyptians, at least the aborigine types are definetly another variation of humans. Different from black 'Nubians'.

And just Who are these ''other variation of humans''? You mean some extinct race of high-achieving ''dark-skinned whites''? (I swear you once had a western ''scholar'' who used those words)

Permit me to educate you further - wherever you see a 'light skinned' ancient Egyptian type such as you posted above, they do not constitute 'another race' or 'another variation of humanity now extinct', or a''dark skinned whites''- they constitute negroid Africans, perhaps of the Somali/Ethiopian variety. (See below)

Somalians

http://www.itsablackthang.com/images/Pomegrante/Africa/women-of-ark-notes1.jpg

http://www.hip-hop.net/graphics/0000/0160/waayaha-cusub.jpg

http://ulises.blogia.com/upload/20070107123312-hirsi-ali-foto-har-114209h.jpg

Back then they did not have the concept of what an 'African' is, that's a more modern construction. They simply identified themselves as people from (ironically) the black land, as in the black soil around the Nile river.

WRONG. The Egyptians referred to themselves as ''Kemmui'' - black people.

As for that 'black soil' business, these are the distortions used by some western Egyptologists to try to hide the fact that Egypt was a black country.

Kemet means black land or black nation, NOT black soil, and the Egyptians referred to themselves as Kemmui (meaning black people)

http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/black_lang.html

Here's an Egyptian Mural of the Races found in the tomb of Rameses by Leipzig. They clearly depict the ancient Egyptian as black negroid.

http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/Egypt_files/image004.jpg
Egyptian Semite Other Africans European

Also you can find those sources online on your own if you want. Im not going to bother searching out everything I already learned years ago.

You learnt a lot of inaccurate nonsense years ago I'm afraid.

But what is evident, is that there is no "pure black" origin of the ancient egyptians, although they did represent a component, just like the Middle Eastern types.

The only thing 'evident' here is you trying to deceive yourself and others with distortions.

Only a few years ago, British Egyptologists used cutting edge methods to reconstitute the mummified remains of Queen Nefertiti of Egypt, long represented as a white woman by US researchers and historians, and when the image below came out of the computer programme, they nearly fell off their chairs. It was a black woman.

http://clippednews.files.wordpress.com/2006/05/Nefertiti1.jpg

I guess the computer programme conspired with the Greek writers.

in_the_midst_of_wolves

29-12-2008, 03:30 AM

kimball13

29-12-2008, 04:24 AM

Why would scores of ancient eminent Greek writers conspire to tell a lie about the race of the ancient Egyptians?

Why would they describe them as black skinned with wooly hair if in fact they were white or Asiatic?

Have you any idea how silly you sound?

More patented foolishness. Who are these ''other variation of humans''? You mean some extinct race of 'dark whites'?

Permit me to educate you further - wherever you see a 'light skinned' Egyptian type, they do not constitute 'another race' or 'another variation of humanity now extinct', or a''dark skinned white man''- they constitute negroid Africans, perhaps of the Somali/Ethiopian variety. (See below)

Somalians

http://www.itsablackthang.com/images/Pomegrante/Africa/women-of-ark-notes1.jpg

http://www.hip-hop.net/graphics/0000/0160/waayaha-cusub.jpg

http://ulises.blogia.com/upload/20070107123312-hirsi-ali-foto-har-114209h.jpg

WRONG. The Egyptians referred to themselves as ''Kemmui'' - black people.

As for that 'black soil' business, these are the distortions used by western Egyptologists to try to hide the fact that Egypt was a black country.

Kemet means black land or black nation, NOT black soil. and the Egyptians referred to themselves as Kemmui (black people)

http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/black_lang.html

Here's an Egyptian Mural of the Races found in the tomb of Rameses. They clearly depict the ancient Egyptian as black negroid.

http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/Egypt_files/image004.jpg
Egyptian Semite Other Africans European

You learnt a lot of inaccurate nonsense years ago I'm afraid.

The only thing 'evident' here is you trying to deceive yourself and others with distortions.

Only a few years ago, British Egyptologists used cutting edge methods to reconstitute the mummified remains of Queen Nefertiti of Egypt, long represented as a white woman by US researchers and historians, and when the image below came out of the computer programme, they nearly fell off their chairs. It was a black woman.

http://clippednews.files.wordpress.com/2006/05/Nefertiti1.jpg

I guess the computer programme conspired with the Greek writers.

anywho's history gets manipulated at the source alot it just depends on who get published first, not who is the winner or correct...

i just thought i would mention Nefertiti's similarity to Angelina Jolie as well as a few blonde haired blue eyed women that have the same facial features as her so realy that is not proof just the lips and suchand the somalia girl also looks very similar to a few caucasian women ive known and she to is very beutifull,,,now i dont think im color blind, i just see the beauty of all the shades of humanity,and you would be suprised at how often i think alot of people look alot like other people that happend to be of diffenrt racial background weird huh YOU ALL LOOK ALIKE TO ME but not realy just a bit,,,,,,,,did anyone ever think maybe some of all the confusion is that there is another race that is within every race as well as all this other whooii, and the women are dead sexy and the men look like they could come of the cat walk and hack and slay,,,,,,but then again maybe i just think that is a very beautiful Queen and if she had white skin and blue eye's she would be just as beutiful, but she does remind me of Angelina Jolie and isnt she On her father's side, Jolie is of Slovak and German descent, on her mother's side she is French Canadian and said to be part Iroquois, maybe the lips snuck in through the french, but then some slavics have very african features to so there ya go,,,did ya know that alexander the great was slavic,not that one of my grandfather's is from the same island of alexander's father's castle, the other funny ha ha is i can just about blend in with any race just ad sun and the im just a half-breed, i like to say im a poly-breed, but my roots go to both alexander and arthur so i realy dont understand racism on bit heres one reason why some say im sarmation so here is the origen of the Bloodline of the Pendragon; and maybe merovingian and that is why the long magical hair because kinky has a hard time with length unless dred locked i dont know, ive got more of the merovingian type hair,,,,then there is the facial hair line if you notice some racial type's grow mostly along the chin and other all over like a werewolfe. Now i wonder why Hollywood chose to depict King Arthur as being part Sarmatian and Celtic, isnt sarmatian from Iran or something and migrated to the Ukrain then some moved to Hadrians wall.....people moved back then alot just like today it just took alot longer and culture became more interwoven and new culture's came about from two or more learning to live together or by complete domanance or out of mutual survival so who's to say but it is realy good to explore where we came from or should i say the journey the human race has ben on.

felakuti

29-12-2008, 08:31 PM

"The debate is over"
I have a question for you, felakuti.
You seem to have gathered a large amount of information on this subject, so my question is, what were the origins of the pharisees and the scribes that put Yahshua on trial and demanded he be killed?
If they to were black, then what became of their line?
Did the "synagogue of satan" continue to exist?

Peace

Well, in_the_midst_of_wolves, this may dissapoint you somewhat, but my reading of the research into Jesus or Yahshua, suggests there is no solid evidence, outside of the bible, that such a character actually ever existed.

I personally believe that no one by the description given in the hebrew texts actually lived, and that rather, the entire Jesus tale was gathered from surrounding myths and legends of 'saviour gods' who were worshipped long before the years BC.

Some of the saviour gods worshipped long before the Jews wrote about 'Jesus' were Horus, Mythra, Dionosyius and Krishna.

Horus -ast, the Egyptian Son of God, was worshipped from about 3000BC in the Nile Valley and beyond. He was believed to have been born to a Virgin, whose name was Isis-Meri. He was called the Light of the world, the good shepherd, etc etc

Horus was also given the title, Kemwer, meaning (the) great black (one)..

The Jews may have appropriated these tales during their sojourn in Egypt, and used them to forge the basis of their own religious dogma.

http://static.flickr.com/52/178424292_2e53c6a3d0.jpg

3000BC
Isis Meri suckling the child Horus...............Mary suckling the child Jesus

Draw your own conclusions!

in_the_midst_of_wolves

29-12-2008, 08:43 PM

Hi felakuti

Thanks for the reply, I've sent you a private message regarding this as I don't want to take this thread off topic.

Suffice to say, I do indeed draw my own conclusions ;) on many, many different subjects...

Peace

breezinreezin

29-12-2008, 09:39 PM

(Aryans: are albino Hindus)

look at them they all look the same

http://www.webbusiness.no/webprivat/usa/upfiles/bush_monkey.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/10/12/nharry2.jpgall one big happy indo-aryan zionist (fake jew) reptilian (satanic) family that has you fooled..
(and no I dont hate Aryans, I didn't create history I'm simply trying to unravel it for the benifit of all)

Personally, I find myself laughing at the absurdity of this segment of 'Louie's' ahermmm, little novelette. But I'd like to point out that if Bush's face was substituted by Obamas and black was in the place of aryan, then this thread would be swarming with outraged, finger pointing, members baying for blood and screaming "racist scum". The fact that it isn't speaks volumes.

I just thought I'd point that out. Oh, and the fact that, facial expressions aside, Bush doesn't look anything like a chimp, I've never seen a white person who does.

There are much healthier ways of improving your self-esteem you know 'Louie'.

felakuti

29-12-2008, 10:20 PM

in the midst of wolves, just before I leave, you see that large plait, or lock hanging down the head of Horus? It was a sign of royal birth in ancient Egypt.

Here's an ancient confirmation of this:

The evidence of Lucian (Greek writer, 125 B.C.) . He introduces two Greeks, Lycinus and Timolaus, who start a conversation:

Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): "This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin . . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman."

Timolaus: "But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus, All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place."

(Lucian, Navigations, paras 2-3)

Interestingly, this royal hairstyle is still common in traditional Africa today - and for the same reasons, the royalty or spiritual power of the bearer.

The child Horus with single plait
http://static.flickr.com/52/178424292_2e53c6a3d0.jpg

Southern African son of a chief with single plait
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1606/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1606-43819.jpg

Yoruba Priest with single plait (middle)
http://www.tribalarts.com/feature/lawal/large/06.jpg

Yoruba deity with single plait
http://www.tribalarts.com/feature/lawal/large/07.jpg

Finally, click on both google links below, to view ancient headrests. These were only common in Egypt and the rest of Africa, and appear to have been unknown outside the continent, based on searches I've done of other places like Europe, Asia and Arabia. The wooden headrest is an African thing. Some old men in my hometown in Nigeria still use them to this day.

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=ancient+egyptian+headrests&btnG=Search+Images

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=african+headrests

in_the_midst_of_wolves

29-12-2008, 11:10 PM

OK guys, this has been a fascinating thread, but this is where I sign off...
I really don't want to get in to the whole Horus=Jesus thing which has been thoroughly debunked and exposed.
Please do your own independent research on this subject as it is key to the NWO agenda of creating a one world religion and brought to you by Theosophists/Luciferians.
There is also plenty of extra-biblical evidence for the existence of Jesus/Yahshua.
Once you have looked in to these subjects for yourselves, I would also recommend you look in to where the Nazis got their ideology from (as well as their persecution of the Christians/Christianity) before it's too late for us.

Here's a couple of people to look in to:
H.P Blavatsky
Aleister Crowley
Both are massive influences on much of the 'truth movement' who have gone down the Zeitgeist route of telling us all religions are the same and that we should come together under the new age belief system and create a new world order.

The Nazis used the exact same tactics.
People would either focus all of their hatred on the Jews or ended up buying the whole new age ideology (like so many here).

Bill Cooper was one of the few who could see the bigger picture for what it was and actually tried to affect change (unlike so many of these other Guru-types) and his work, particularly the Mystery Babylon series comes highly recommended.

I would like to thank everybody for an interesting discussion and hope that new age dogma will not stand in the way of our continued quest for the truth.

Peace

angel wings

31-12-2008, 09:33 PM

angel wings

31-12-2008, 09:36 PM

angel wings

31-12-2008, 09:51 PM

Fantastic thread guys and has made great reading.

ohorseman

08-01-2009, 04:06 AM

This is all... so tired. People around here listen to you because of their views about the Jews. I could say so, so much. But often people like you are too entrenched for it to matter - its an identity crisis of the worst kind. Maybe you are not too far gone. Maybe you are a brother worth reaching out to. All I have to say about this is at my blogspot. It talks more about Black Liberation Theology. But it relates, as I am sure you will see.

www.thouforsaken.blogspot.com

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p136/g-owen/Yeshua%20upon%20the%20TREE/JesusCross-Jewishface.jpg

Peace.

fist fury

11-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Its usually the lowlifes that attribute themselves to great ancient people they have no relation to.

The reason those 'greats' no longer exist is because of scum like you. They built civilization, and created the foundation for all our present knowledge, including mathematics, astronomy, religion, science, wisdom, etc. but they have died out. They have been replaced by usurpurs and murderers.

cacadores

14-01-2009, 11:50 PM

The Isrealites of today are frauds ( altho they did ship in some REAL jews from Ethiopia but you wont here much about them they live in the ghetto's now)
.
Not sure what you're getting at here: how are they frauds? The Kazar connection is mentioned in Jewish literature and publications.

I notice you say that you are a 'Hebrew' Jew. But Hebrews were the immediate decendants of Abraham, who lived over the Jorden and there's no modern tribe with that name. The small number of decendants would have had to mix with other peoples in order to avoid in-breeding, so it's difficult to see how an Abrhamite people could first have separated racially from other people and second how it could survive without mixing with others. It would be helpful for us to know, what reasons you have for making the link so far back.

Thank you for your time.

The other question, of course, is why is your 'race' so important to you?

cacadores

15-01-2009, 12:02 AM

What an incredible experience this life really is. I find it particularly funny that everyone thinks that they're right and the irony is that they are or aren't. There is no right or wrong. There is no truth or lies. There only is.

......and everyone here is creating what is true for them.

Then if everyone creates what is true for them, i.e. that there is right and wrong..........

Then, er, right and wrong exist.

Or have I missed something?

lightgiver

21-01-2009, 04:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s06Q2rh9t8

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=0NHbOqmNVm8

Men and people will fight ya down (tell me why!)
When ya see jah light. (ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!)
Let me tell you if youre not wrong; (then, why? )
Everything is all right.
So we gonna walk - all right! - through de roads of creation:
We the generation (tell me why!)
(trod through great tribulation) trod through great tribulation.

Exodus, all right! movement of jah people!
Oh, yeah! o-oo, yeah! all right!
Exodus: movement of jah people! oh, yeah!

Yeah-yeah-yeah, well!
Uh! open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied (with the life youre living)? uh!
We know where were going, uh!
We know where were from.
Were leaving babylon,
Were going to our father land.

2, 3, 4: exodus: movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
(movement of jah people!) send us another brother moses!
(movement of jah people!) from across the red sea!
(movement of jah people!) send us another brother moses!
(movement of jah people!) from across the red sea!
Movement of jah people!

Exodus, all right! oo-oo-ooh! oo-ooh!
Movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
Exodus!
Exodus! all right!
Exodus! now, now, now, now!
Exodus!
Exodus! oh, yea-ea-ea-ea-ea-ea-eah!
Exodus!
Exodus! all right!
Exodus! uh-uh-uh-uh!

Move! move! move! move! move! move!

Open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied with the life youre living?
We know where were going;
We know where were from.
Were leaving babylon, yall!
Were going to our fathers land.

Exodus, all right! movement of jah people!
Exodus: movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!

Move! move! move! move! move! move! move!

Jah come to break downpression,
Rule equality,
Wipe away transgression,
Set the captives free.

Exodus, all right, all right!
Movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
Exodus: movement of jah people! oh, now, now, now, now!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!

Bob the PROPHET was put here for a reason.:):)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1785/juda2rc6.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=juda2rc6.jpg)

Find your tribe.:D http://www.cabiz.net/heartlink/celts_ireland.htm I jah have found mine.

This is the best way to fight the NWO ELITES;):)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4169/tabernaclere5.gif (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabernaclere5.gif)

The Hebrew word, however, points to a different meaning. Mishkan is related to the Hebrew word to "dwell", "rest", or "to live in", referring to the "[In-dwelling] Presence of God", the Shekhina (or Shechina) (based on the same Hebrew root word as Mishkan), that dwelled or rested within this divinely ordained mysterious structure.

The Hebrew word for a "neighbor" is shakhen from the same root as mishkan. The commandments for its construction are taken from the words in the Book of Exodus when God says to Moses: "They shall make me a sanctuary, and I will dwell (ve-shakhan-ti) among them. You must make the tabernacle (mishkan) and all its furnishings following the plan that I am showing you." (Exodus 25:8-10). Thus the idea is that God wants this structure built so that it may be a "dwelling", so to speak, for his presence within the Children of Israel following the Exodus.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9411/rbensj0.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rbensj0.jpg)

Found another tribe member.

lightgiver

22-01-2009, 02:53 AM

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=zvVles_EqXU

jah live
Children yeah
Jah Jah live children yeah
Jah Live
Children yeah
jah Jah Live children yeah
The truth is an offence
But not a sin
Is he who laugh last,children
Is he who win
Is a foolish dog
Bark at the flying bird
One sheep must learn,children
To respect the shepherd
Jah live
Children yeah
Jah Jah Live children yeah
Jah Live
Children yeah
Jah Jah Live children yeah
Fool say in their heart
Rasta your God is dead
But I and I know,Jah Jah
Dread it shall be Dreader Dread
Jah Live children yeah
Jah Jah Live children yeah
Jah Live children yeah
jah Jah Live children yeah
Let jah arise
Now that the enemies are scattered
Let Jah arise
The enemies,the enemies are scattered
Jah Live children yeah
Jah Jah Live children yeah
Jah live Children yeah
Jah Jah Live children yeah

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=6KvyzQdlVFU

vladmir

22-01-2009, 07:02 AM

great thread, thanks for posting.

devotional soul

22-01-2009, 08:27 AM

Yahshua and his parents obviously had dark skin to be able to hide in Egypt after he was born. It's worth remembering that Krishna, in India, is said to have been the darkest black, like a rain cloud, and he was Indian, not African.

It is important to remember that there are 12 tribes of Israel, the tribe of Judah is only one. The tribe of Dan was in the north and chose to travel. Their symbol was the snake, which they changed to the eagle with a snake in it's mouth, which became just the eagle (American eagle). They were the first tribe to take to idolatry and satanism. They travelled in ships as the Vikings (VI Kings) and settled in all of the places that have the sound 'DN' in it (Denmark=mark of Dan, London, Sweden, the Danes, etc.) It is no coincidence that the 'Jews' in Denmark were spared from Hitler's holocaust and found safety in Sweden. It is interesting that the Book of Revelation, when it mentions the 144,000, leaves out the tribe of Dan and Ephraim. These are the two tribes that are part of the Illuminati and are part of the synagogue of satan. The Khazarian Jews interbred with these tribes so that they could call themselves 'God's chosen people'.

The other tribes of Israel are scattered everywhere, in exile. Obviously, some are in northern Africa, and there is also evidence of some in Afghanistan, Iran, and all over the area. It seems to me that the tribe of Judah went to Ethiopia, but that doesn't mean that all Israelites did. 'Jews' in Iran claim to be descendants of the tribe of Joseph.

Another point that needs to be made is that:

Aryans were not one race, but a title for saintly, God conscious people of many different races.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/what_is_vedic_aryan_culture.htm

"The Sanskrit word Aryan means a way of life that aims at the elevation of everyone in society to a higher level of consciousness. It is often considered that the Vedic Aryans are a race of people. Aryan actually means a standard of living, an ideal. It was the Sanskrit speaking people of thousands of years ago that gave the word arya to signify a gentleman, an ideal person, someone on the path of purity. It was a term meant for those who were on the cutting edge of social evolution. Another way of interpreting the word aryan is that ar also means white or clear. Ya refers to God. Ya also refers to Yadu, or Krishna. Thus, aryan means those who have, or are developing, a clear path or a clear consciousness toward God. "

There is archeological evidence that the 'Aryan invasion' of India is a lie created by the Germans and British to discredit Vedic culture.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/solid_evidence_debunking_aryan_invasion.htm
Solid Evidence Debunking Aryan Invasion (too much to copy and paste)

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/the_aryan_invasion_history_or_politics.htm

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/scholars_of_false_history_of_india_are_a_dying_bre ed.htm

A sincere question I have about Africans being the true Hebrew Israelites is this:

Abraham is the grandfather of
all Israelites (with sister/wife Sara) and
all Arab people (with Hagar, the Egyptian maid).

So, why is it that most Arab people do not look like Africans?

cacadores

26-01-2009, 10:32 PM

It is important to remember that there are 12 tribes of Israel, the tribe of Judah is only one. The tribe of Dan was in the north and chose to travel. ....They travelled in ships as the Vikings (VI Kings)
Origin of the term 'Viking':
It is thought to have originated from either the old Norse word vik, which means a creek or inlet ( of which there are many in Scandinavia ). Or: else, in old English a 'wic' was a place to trade, a camp where trading would take place or similar.

The tribe of Dan was in the north and chose to travel. ......They were the first tribe to take to idolatry and satanism. [B]They travelled in ships as the Vikings (VI Kings) and settled in all of the places that have the sound 'DN' in it (Denmark=mark of Dan, London, Sweden, the Danes, etc.)
In modern day Ethiopia Beta Israel, a group of Jews, are claiming to be descendants of the Tribe of Dan.

The Chronicon Lethrense explains that King Ypper of Uppsala had three sons, Nori, Østen and Dan. Dan was sent to govern Zealand, Møn, Falster and Lolland, which became known jointly as Videslev. When the Jutes were fighting Emperor Augustus they called upon Dan to help and upon victory made him king of Jutland, Fuen, Videslev and Skåne. After a council about what to call this new united land, they named it Denmark (Dania) after the new king, Dan.

[B]Aryans were not one race, but a title for saintly, God conscious people of many different races.

'Aryan' is widely held to have been used as an ethnic self-designation of the Proto-Indo-Iranians. Since in the 19th century, the Indo-Iranians were the most ancient known speakers of Indo-European languages, the word Aryan was adopted to refer not only to the Indo-Iranian people, but also to Indo-European speakers as a whole.

"The Sanskrit word Aryan means a way of life that aims at the elevation of everyone in society to a higher level of consciousness. .....It was a term meant for those who were on the cutting edge of social evolution........Aryan means those who have, or are developing, a clear path or a clear consciousness toward God.
The earliest occurrences of the word (in the Rigveda) mean 'hospitable', derived from ari (friendly) 'stranger'.

There is archeological evidence that the 'Aryan invasion' of India is a lie created by the Germans and British to discredit Vedic culture.

India and Iran use the word 'Aryan' in a demographic denomination. 'Aryan' is also a common male name in India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.

A sincere question I have about Africans being the true Hebrew Israelites is this:

Abraham is the grandfather of
all Israelites (with sister/wife Sara) and
all Arab people (with Hagar, the Egyptian maid).

So, why is it that most Arab people do not look like Africans?
Eh???? Most Arabs are Africans!

bendoon

26-02-2009, 04:40 PM

bendoon

26-02-2009, 04:47 PM

The Israelites migrated into Europe after the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity, only 50000 returned to Judea from Babylon, the descendants of these 50000 along with the Edomites were the ones in Judea 2000 years ago. The descendants of the other Israelites who migrated to Europe from 500 BC, 95% of the Israelites, are mixed in with the general population of Europe, these Israelites were never known as Jews.

synergy777

27-02-2009, 02:01 PM

there is a difference between israel and judah.

israel was the northern kingdom, judah was the southern kingdom. i believe europeans could have come from israel, and africans/arabs etc were from judah.

in biblical terms, judah is the most important, as this is the line of david, and jesus/yashuah.

hence jesus was in my view brown skinned. hence jesus is the lion of judah.this could be one of the factors behind the constant battle between europeans and africans.

honey_beez

28-02-2009, 07:34 PM

The Egyptians 3000+ years ago where caucasian, they had some African slaves aswell as Israelites.

You kidding right?

I am not here to argue with you because I am not going to be a part of your downfall.

So if Egypt was caucasian then Nubia was also caucasian - oh and Ethiopians are also caucasians and so are the Yoruba from Nigeria and the Indians and also everyone in Afrika - mmmmm so non-albino people are incapable of such marvels only albino people? - keep lieing to yourself my babe!

felakuti

02-03-2009, 11:42 PM

The Egyptians 3000+ years ago where caucasian, they had some African slaves aswell as Israelites.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr8_files/nubs.jpeg

African Slaves

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=25542&rendTypeId=4http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=13359&rendTypeId=4

Egyptian coins

http://www.white-history.com/hwr8_files/39.jpeg

The mummy of Pharaoh Seti I c 1300BC

http://www.white-history.com/hwr8_files/elderlady01.jpg

Queen Hatshepsut, wife of Pharaoh Thutmosis II, c1500BC, notice the long straight hair.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr8_files/yuya.jpghttp://www.white-history.com/hwr8_files/thuya.jpg

Yuya (thought to be Joseph the Israelite by some) with wife Thuya c 1400BC

http://www.white-history.com/hwr8_files/41.jpeg

An Egyptian scribe c2600BC

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~cmw63/IMAGES/bust_of_hannibal.jpg

Hannibal Barca, A North African c200BC, The Carthaginians were migrants from Phoenicia (next door to Israel)

Absolute Nonsense. The Egyptians were black Africans, and this is confirmed by ALL the ancient Greek writers who toured, lived, and studied there, including Herodotus (''The Father of History''), Diodorus Sicilius, and Aristotle.

Greek philosophy, the foundation of western civilization, is a derivative of Egyptian ideas. The Greek philosophers learnt by their own admission under black African Egyptian scribes and teachers.

Regardless of how many doctored mummies, or irrelevant images from later Greek Hellenistic and Ptolemaic periods you post, the record is very clear on the racial composition of Ancient Egypt.

Zaki Hawass, ''curator of the Egyptian Antiquities Board'', whose job it is to propagate the lie that AE's were not African, has so far refused to release the DNA results on all the pharaoh mummies excavated. These tests were ordered under pressure from Afrocentric scholars who insisted they were black Africans. Hawass, an Arab working for a now Arab Egyptian govt, has refused to release the results based on ''national security reasons''.

lol.

So you can go chuck your doctored blonde hair wig mummy images in the trash where they belong, place a call through to Hawass, and ask him to release the DNA results of the mummies so this ''controversy'' can be settled once and for all.

You fool nobody any longer.

demonlover

03-03-2009, 09:10 AM

You kidding right?

I am not here to argue with you because I am not going to be a part of your downfall.

So if Egypt was caucasian then Nubia was also caucasian - oh and Ethiopians are also caucasians and so are the Yoruba from Nigeria and the Indians and also everyone in Afrika - mmmmm so non-albino people are incapable of such marvels only albino people? - keep lieing to yourself my babe!White people aren't albinos:rolleyes: for crying out loud! AND caucasian does not always equal White. There are many sub-races in Africa.:eek:

demonlover

03-03-2009, 09:14 AM

Personally, I find myself laughing at the absurdity of this segment of 'Louie's' ahermmm, little novelette. But I'd like to point out that if Bush's face was substituted by Obamas and black was in the place of aryan, then this thread would be swarming with outraged, finger pointing, members baying for blood and screaming "racist scum". The fact that it isn't speaks volumes.

I just thought I'd point that out. Oh, and the fact that, facial expressions aside, Bush doesn't look anything like a chimp, I've never seen a white person who does.

There are much healthier ways of improving your self-esteem you know 'Louie'.It is racist propagando tho! First of all, I see alot of black supremacist do this and it's sickening. Bush's face is of a lizard.:cool:

honey_beez

03-03-2009, 01:34 PM

White people aren't albinos:rolleyes: for crying out loud! AND caucasian does not always equal White. There are many sub-races in Africa.:eek:

Sorry love - but you really should do your homework on this ...

And I am able to distinguish between white and caucasian :)

I think you should really do research on this my babe and you will see ...

You have a choice to keep on living a white lie - ihihi - I'd rather live a live a Black truth:)

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Oh and Kemet White? OMG :D Eish white people ne!

honey_beez

03-03-2009, 01:39 PM

Absolute Nonsense. The Egyptians were black Africans, and this is confirmed by ALL the ancient Greek writers who toured, lived, and studied there, including Herodotus (''The Father of History''), Diodorus Sicilius, and Aristotle.

Greek philosophy, the foundation of western civilization, is a derivative of Egyptian ideas. The Greek philosophers learnt by their own admission under black African Egyptian scribes and teachers.

Regardless of how many doctored mummies, or irrelevant images from later Greek Hellenistic and Ptolemaic periods you post, the record is very clear on the racial composition of Ancient Egypt.

Zaki Hawass, ''curator of the Egyptian Antiquities Board'', whose job it is to propagate the lie that AE's were not African, has so far refused to release the DNA results on all the pharaoh mummies excavated. These tests were ordered under pressure from Afrocentric scholars who insisted they were black Africans. Hawass, an Arab working for a now Arab Egyptian govt, has refused to release the results based on ''national security reasons''.

lol.

So you can go chuck your doctored blonde hair wig mummy images in the trash where they belong, place a call through to Hawass, and ask him to release the DNA results of the mummies so this ''controversy'' can be settled once and for all.

You fool nobody any longer.

Damn straight God ;)

I am tired of living a white lie!!! Many people here do not do thier homework... time the truth comes out about this whole white supremacy! I am sick of it!

bendoon

03-03-2009, 05:36 PM

You kidding right? !

The mummies are there, do they look like Africans ?

Facts are facts even when they may hurt your pride.

Zaki Hawass, ''curator of the Egyptian Antiquities Board'', whose job it is to propagate the lie that AE's were not African, has so far refused to release the DNA results on all the pharaoh mummies excavated. These tests were ordered under pressure from Afrocentric scholars who insisted they were black Africans. Hawass, an Arab working for a now Arab Egyptian govt, has refused to release the results based on ''national security reasons''.
.

The reason they won't do DNA on the mummies is because they don't want people to know the Egyptians were caucasians

Now think about this long and hard, do you think that people in Africa who had not invented the wheel in 1500AD, had chariots in 1500BC and built the Gizza Pyramid.

So I'm sorry to burst your bubble, the truth is the truth, face up to reality.

eternal_spirit

03-03-2009, 05:48 PM

It is racist propagando tho! First of all, I see alot of black supremacist do this and it's sickening. Bush's face is of a lizard.:cool:

Bush does look chimpish though lol, in some pics (unles they're photo shopped etc) he's the monkey and dances to someone else's tune, but he's not the organ grinder (the boss)

eternal_spirit

03-03-2009, 05:56 PM

Damn straight God ;)

I am tired of living a white lie!!! Many people here do not do thier homework... time the truth comes out about this whole white supremacy! I am sick of it!
Afrocentric scholars who insisted they were black Africans. Hawass, an Arab working for a now Arab Egyptian govt,
94% population - Muslim Arabic Egypt.
Stuff being pushed on these kind of threads is in line with Nation of Islam's views (anti white) People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and all that malarky.

And if what you say has any truth about how Blacks invented everything first etc etc.

Then were are all your races scientists inventing things that will benefit humanity? they should be at the forefront of the latest scientific break throughs and knowledge.

Seems some call the whites dumb liars etc, yet you want all our inventions and modern luxuries.

bendoon

03-03-2009, 06:00 PM

Then were are all your races scientists inventing things that will benefit humanity?.

They invented Peanut Butter, although even thats disputed. :D

eternal_spirit

03-03-2009, 07:32 PM

Here's a little rant I prepared earlier from another thread which I love to quote when the word red neck is posted :D (some real history for you all)

The first slaves taken to America where Irish and English white men, hence the term RED NECK, because they'd be out working in the hot sun (sun burnt - red necks) and were not used to the heat - many died out there.

It's true look the colder regions North America/canada more whites, the hotter regions south America more black and hispanics (Spanish and Portugese they are not the same as British they where used to the hot sun) The only reason Black slaves were brought to America was they were used to the hot sun.

The Africans had been selling their own people to other countries for a long time and still do (but you dont consider that racist black slaves selling black slaves) or the Islamic invasions and take over of huge parts of Africa (cos they ain't white):rolleyes:

The History of Britain at that time Foreign kings/religions and banking powers(Rotshchilds) ruled over England, the country had been controlled through debt/usury,wars so the people were at war and hungry. (Research what life was like for English people back then real slavery)

The Irish famine was engineered by foreign Governments/kings/bankers who took control of England, and they needed their lackies/frontmen/foot soldiers etc (the Illuminati was set up by Jews our royals are probably Rothschild Jews and there's claims they are also related to Mohammed prophet of Islam)

Truth is there was no shortage of food in Ireland, it was stolen and shipped out to feed the soldiers and slaves in the colonies.

The white slaves shipped over to America had no choice (rot in Prison for petty offences, fight a civil war, starve) the punishment for a petty crime of catching and eating a rabbit on LORD shitface the 3rds estate/land, would get you sent off as a slave to America or another colony.

the institution of slavery not only is recognized but is elaborately regulated by Sharia law.

From a Muslim point of view, to forbid what God permits is almost as great an offense as to permit what God forbids - and slavery was authorized and regulated by the holy law.

Muslim traders went as far away as Scandinavia, and especially Sweden, (white slaves) where scores of Muslim coins have been found with inscriptions from the seventh and eleventh centuries. On the long lists of goods which Muslim traders imported from Scandinavia, are found 'Slavonic slaves (white slaves) sheep, and cattle' (cited by Lewis in The Arabs in History). An early ninth century geographer, Ibn Kurradadhbeh, describes Jewish merchants from the south of France 'who speak Arabic, Persian, Greek, Frankish, Spanish, and Slavonic. They travel from west to east and east to west, by land and sea. From the west they bring eunuchs, slave girls and boys, brocade, beaver skins, sable and other furs, and swords'.

Arabia was another major center for the slave trade. The flow of slaves from Africa into Arabia and through the Gulf into Iran continued for a long time. The extension of British, French, and Italian control around the Horn of Africa (the area of Somalia and Kenya today) deprived the slave traders of their main ports of embarkation
Quite possibly, the maintenance of slavery and the social acceptance of slaves were important drawing cards for Islam as it penetrated Africa. Without a knowledge of history,many Africans may be unaware of the fact that Islamic traders carried on a steady slave trade (They never taught us white people this at school either and in ISLAM they still use slaves from other countriesTODAY) from East African ports for many centuries. Records are available which contain the lists of goods involved in trade with the rest of the world.

http://www.answering-islam.org/ReachOut/slavetrade.html

6. Jew Watch - Jewish Genocidal Murders of Others - Black Holocaust (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-black-holocaust-slave-trade-jews-named.html)

"Jews ran the African slave trade. Jew owned the ships, the companies, and the trading ports where this illicit trade was carried out for hundreds of years."
www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-black-holocaust-slave-trade-jews-named.html

btw these Jews where not Ashkenaz/khazzars but Sephardic (North African's who also invaded Spain/Europe with their Muslim brothers)

Seach for modern day white slave trade, mostly white women are taken to far away lands an used as sex slaves etc.

honey_beez

03-03-2009, 09:54 PM

Here's a little rant I prepared earlier from another thread which I love to quote when the word red neck is posted :D (some real history for you all)... (truncated your OP)

Have you ever picked up a book written by Afreekan authors?

Also why do you post similar if not the same shit - when it comes to a racial discussion?

What is your obsession with Islam?

honey_beez

06-03-2009, 01:59 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWS7rKYnDUM&feature=channel_page

synergy777

06-03-2009, 08:03 PM

honey_beez

06-03-2009, 08:13 PM

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text.html

The Black Pharaohs

we all need to acknowledge the great importance of africa, and its vital role in history. egypt like most centres of empires eg rome, london, was a cosmopolitan place due to its importance eg trade, religions etc.

the egyptain civilisation was a african one. in fact we should also look at nubia/sudan, it has many pyramids, which people often overlook.

also the olmecs in south america, the african presence in india, eg the naga kings.

i am of indian heritage, but love africa, especially egypt and kenya/wildlife.

I don't like that title Black Pharaohs. They were Nubian Pharaohs.
National Geo. I don't trust that shit anymore because it completely gives half truths and a half truth is a lie.

Also do you really think people on the DI site want to learn about this?
I have links where one can download this information but I don't think it's wise to share it on the DI forum. To many Gestapo's on the loose.

Most knowledge of Afreekan civilizations have been completely white washed. FACT and you must be aware by now that the Ancestors are returning?

I am curious to know your honest opinion on white supremacy and the destruction Afreekan civilizations...

bendoon

06-03-2009, 10:37 PM

I really don't know why people have to try and lie about history to make themselves feel better.

Be proud of what your ancestors did, not what you wish they had done.

angel wings

06-03-2009, 11:10 PM

I really don't know why people have to try and lie about history to make themselves feel better.

Be proud of what your ancestors did, not what you wish they had done.

Bendoon, can you please tell us your rendition of the African Civilisations?

felakuti

06-03-2009, 11:22 PM

http://wysinger.homestead.com/princeamenkhepeshet.jpg
http://www.voicefinfinne.org/English/Images/Tut3.jpg
http://www.voicefinfinne.org/English/Images/Tiye2.JPEG
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/priest2.jpg
http://manuampim.com/Images/4Rmt.jpg
http://www.tierradefaraones.com/imperio_antiguo/dinastia_05/05-02/05-02fa.jpg
http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/egypt/egy27-3.jpg
Statue of Horemakhet

Diodorus Sicilus - 90BC to 21 BC

Diodorus devoted an entire chapter of his world history, the Bibliotheke Historica, or Library of History (Book 3), to the Africans ["Aithiopians"]. Here he repeats the story of their great piety, their high favor with the gods, and adds the fascinating legend that they were the first of all men created by the gods and were the founders of Egyptian civilization, invented writing, and given the Egyptians their religion and culture. (3.3.2).

"Now they relate that of all people the Aithiopians were the earliest, and say that the proofs of this are clear. That they did not arrive as immigrants but are the natives of the country and therefore rightly are called authochthonous is almost universally accepted. That those who live in the South are likely to be the first engendered by the earth is obvious to all. For as it was the heat of the sun that dried up the earth while it was still moist, at the time when everything came into being, and caused life, they say it is probable that it was the region closest to the sun that first bore animate beings".

[160,000-year-old fossilized skulls uncovered in Ethiopia are oldest anatomically modern humans.]

Diodorus continues:

"They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Aithiopians are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity,"

"The Aithiopians say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement.The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian.

Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them."

"There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes.. some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces, and curly hair".

(Diodous Siculus, Bibliotheke, 3. Translated by Tomas Hagg, in Fontes Historiae Nubiorum, vol. II: From the Mid-Fifth to the First Century BC (Bergen, Norway, 1996))

http://www.crystalinks.com/bes.jpg
Bes The Dwarf god

http://wysinger.homestead.com/khnumhotepII2.jpg
Khnumhotep II was Overseer of the Eastern Desert, a title granted in Year 19 of the reign of the Pharaoh Amenemhet II, about 1910 B.C., 12th dynasty

[IMG]http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/isis_black.jpg
Isi Anu (Isis): Great Ancestor Mother of the Kememu (Egyptians)

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/amenemhet29.jpg
Amenemhet I, 1st King, 12th Dynasty

On the Ethiopians who dwell beyond Libya and their antiquities

(The Library of History, Books II.35 - IV.58, Translated by C.H. Oldfather, Harvard University Press, 2000)

(Book III, chaps. 1-7)

'''''''''''''

''Now the Ethiopians, as historians relate, were the first of all men and the proofs of this statement, they say, are manifest. For that they did not come into their land as immigrants from abroad but were natives of it and so justly bear the name of "autochthones" is, they maintain, conceded by practically all men;

furthermore, that those who dwell beneath the noon-day sun were, in all likelihood, the first to be generated by the earth, is clear to all; since, inasmuch as it was the warmth of the sun which, at the generation of the universe, dried up the earth when it was still wet and impregnated it with life, it is reasonable to suppose that the region which was nearest the sun was the first to bring forth living creatures.

And they say that they were the first to be taught to honour the gods and to hold sacrifices and processions and festivals and the other rites by which men honour the deity; and that in consequence their piety has been published abroad among all men, and it is generally held that the sacrifices practised among the Ethiopians are those which are the most pleasing to heaven.

As witness to this they call upon the poet who is perhaps the oldest and certainly the most venerated among the Greeks; for in the Iliad he represents both Zeus and the rest of the gods with him as absent on a visit to Ethiopia to share in the sacrifices and the banquet which were given annually by the Ethiopians for all the gods together:

For Zeus had yesterday to Ocean's bounds

Set forth to feast with Ethiop's faultless men,

And he was followed there by all the gods.

And they state that, by reason of their piety towards the deity, they manifestly enjoy the favour of the gods, inasmuch as they have never experienced the rule of an invader from abroad; for from all time they have enjoyed a state of freedom and of peace one with another, and although many and powerful rulers have made war upon them, not one of these has succeeded in his undertaking.

3. Cambyses, for instance, they say, who made war upon them with a great force, both lost all his army and was himself exposed to the greatest peril; Semiramis also, who through the magnitude of her undertakings and achievements has become renowned, after advancing a short distance into Ethiopia gave up her campaign against the whole nation;

and Heracles and Dionysus, although they visited all the inhabited earth, failed to subdue the Ethiopians alone who dwell above Egypt, both because of the piety of these men and because of the insurmountable difficulties involved in the attempt.

They say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony. For, speaking generally, what is now Egypt, they maintain, was not land but sea when in the beginning the universe was being formed; afterwards, however, as the Nile during the times of its inundation carried down the mud from Ethiopia, land was gradually built up from the deposit.

Also the statement that all the land of the Egyptians is alluvial silt deposited by the river receives the clearest proof, in their opinion, from what takes place at the outlets of the Nile; for as each year new mud is continually gathered together at the mouths of the river, the sea is observed being thrust back by the deposited silt and the land receiving the increase.

And the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the colonists still preserving their ancient manners. For instance, the belief that their kings are gods, the very special attention which they pay to their burials, and many other matters of a similar nature are Ethiopian practices, while the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian;

for of the two kinds of writing which the Egyptians have, that which is known as "popular" (demotic) is learned by everyone, while that which is called "sacred" is understood only by the priests of the Egyptians, who learn it from their fathers as one of the things which are not divulged, but among the Ethiopians everyone uses these forms of letters.

Furthermore, the orders of the priests, they maintain, have much the same position among both peoples; for all are clean who are engaged in the service of the gods, keeping themselves shaven, like the Ethiopian priests, and having the same dress and form of staff, which is shaped like a plough and is carried by their kings, who wear high felt hats which end in a knob at the top and are circled by the serpents which they call asps;

and this symbol appears to carry the thought that it will be the lot of those who shall dare to attack the king to encounter death-carrying stings. Many other things are also told by them concerning their own antiquity and the colony which they sent out that became the Egyptians, but about this there is no special need of our writing anything.

4. We must now speak about the Ethiopian writing which is called hieroglyphic among the Egyptians, in order that we may omit nothing in our discussion of their antiquities....

felakuti

06-03-2009, 11:23 PM

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/amenemhet14.jpg
King Senwosret 12th Dynasty

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Niankhpepi, 6th Dynasty

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Papyrus discovered in the famous Deir el-Bahri Cache, this is part of the Book of the Dead belonging to Pinudjem I

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http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/meresankht11a.jpg

http://www.essaysbyekowa.com/AU-Shead.jpg

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Osiris

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Farmers

bendoon

06-03-2009, 11:24 PM

Bendoon, can you please tell us your rendition of the African Civilisations?

I am sure there are many things about Africa we do not know, one thing we do know for sure though is that the True Hebrew Israelites, as per the subject of this thread, were not Africans. Neither were the Egyptians who built the Giza Pyramid.

I would however think there is a strong possibility that at the time of the Greeks, Africans may have taken over in Egypt.

fist fury

06-03-2009, 11:34 PM

Africa is the name of a continent, it is not named after a group of people.

African can be used to describe someone belonging to the 'negroid' race/sub-Saharan native. Or simple any group who lived inside Africa for a long time.

Africa is also a very diverse location, where besides humans, other related species have lived together for millions of years.

Populations change over time. Even the greeks of the past are different from those of today, they can only claim 'cultural' heritage if they still share them, but not direct descent.

So you can bullcrap all you want about African Egyptians, but they have no relation to you, other than it was your direct ancestors who deposed those people that no longer exist.

Its romanticized bullshit the same way germans or iranians talk about an "Aryan" or "Scythian" past. More fable than fact.

felakuti

06-03-2009, 11:51 PM

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When visiting Egypt today, this is what we see of The Sphinx of Giza.

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This is what Vivant Denon saw in 1798 before the Sphinx was defaced.

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Pharaoh Tutunkhamun. Statue found in his grave

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Queen Tiye, mother of Pharaoh Akhenaten.

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Pharaoh Amenhotep and Queen Tiye

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felakuti

06-03-2009, 11:57 PM

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Pharaoh Menkaure. 4th Dynasty

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Pharaoh Nymare Amenhemet

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felakuti

07-03-2009, 12:16 AM

The Black Egyptians--Original Settlers of Kemet

The Black Egyptians are the original settlers of KMT. "The native Sudanese are one of the original pigmented Arabs in that region. They are members of the same ethnic family with the ancient Egyptians, the Ethiopians, the Southern Arabians, and the primitive inhabitants of Babylon. All founders and sustainers of the mighty Nilotic civilization we still admire today. They are very great nation of Blacks, who did rule almost over all Africa and Asia in a very remote era, in fact beyond the reach of history of any of our records.''

The Egyptians of the Bible were Negroid.

The Bible says both Egyptians and Ethiopians are descendants of Ham.
Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7th Century AD; Remember, Egypt wasn't invaded by Rome until 300 BC. The Bible dates 4000 BC.

Therefore, Arabs have no more connection to Ancient Egypt than Europeans have to Ancient America.

After thousands of years of ethnic homogenuity, Black Egyptians were eventually mixed with invading Libyans, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks, Arabs and Western Europeans. That is where the mixed people of the modern-day Arabs come from.

The following is supporting evidence from The African Origin of Civilization: by: Cheikh Anta Diop

Evidence from Physical Anthropology
The skeletons and skulls of the Ancient Egyptians clearly reflect they were Negroid people with features very similar to those of modern Black Nubians and other people of the Upper Nile and of East Africa.

Melanin Dosage Test
Egyptologist Cheikh Anta Diop invented a method for determining the level of melanin in the skin of human beings. When conducted on Egyptian mummies in the Museum of Man in Paris, this test indicated these remains were of Black people. The test was conducted before his peers who raised no objections to the methodology.

Osteological Evidence
"Lepsius canon," which distinguishes the bodily proportions of various racial groups categories the "ideal Egyptian" as "short-armed and of Negroid or Negrito physical type."

Evidence From Blood Types
Diop notes that even after hundreds of years of inter-mixture with foreign invaders, the blood type of modern Egyptians is the "same group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding."

The Egyptians as They Saw Themselves
"The Egyptians had only one term to designate themselves =kmt= the Blacks (literally). This is the strongest term existing in the Pharaonic tongue to indicate blackness; it is accordingly written with a hieroglyph representing a length of wood charred at the end and not crocodile scales," singular. ‘Kmt’ from the adjective =kmt= black; it therefore means strictly Blacks. The term is a collective noun which thus described the whole people of Pharaonic Egypt as a black people."

Divine Epithets
Diop demonstrates that "black or Negro" is the divine epithet invariably used for the chief beneficent Gods of Egypt, while the evil spirits were depicted as red.

Evidence From the Bible

The Bible states"…[t]he sons of Ham [were] Cush and Mizraim , and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah and Sabtechah." According to Biblical tradition, Ham, of course, was the father of the Black race. "Generally speaking all Semitic tradition (Jewish and Arab) class ancient Egypt with the countries of the Black."

Cultural unity of Egypt With The Rest of Africa
Through a study of circumcision and totemism. Diop gives detailed data showing cultural unity between Egypt and the rest of Africa.

Linguistic Unity With Southern and Western Africa
In a detailed study of languages, Diop clearly demonstrates that Ancient Egyptian, modern Coptic of Egypt and Walaf of West Africa are related, with the latter two having their origin in the former.

Testimony of Classical Greek and Roman Authors
Virtually all of the early Latin eyewitnesses described the Ancient Egyptians as Black skinned with wooly hair.
After the conquest of Egypt by Alexander, under the Ptolemies, crossbreeding between white Greeks and black Egyptians flourished. "Nowhere was Dionysus more favored, nowhere was he worshiped more adoringly and more elaborately than by the Ptolemies, who recognized his cult as an especially effective means of promoting the assimilation of the conquering Greeks and their fusion with the native Egyptians." {Endnote 15: J. J. Bachofen, Pages choisies par Adrien Turel, "Du Regne de la mere au patriarcat." Paris: F. Alcan, 1938, p. 89.}

These facts prove that if the Egyptian people had originally been white, it might well have remained so. If Herodotus found it still black after so much crossbreeding, it must have been basic black at the start.

Before examining the contradictions circulating in the modern era and resulting from attempts to prove at any price that the Egyptians were Whites, let us note the comments of Count Constantin de Volney (1757-1820). After being imbued with all the prejudices we have just mentioned with regard to the Negro, Volney had gone to Egypt between 1783 and 1785, he reported the Egyptian Race is the very race that had produced the Pharaohs: the Copts (p. 27).

“All have a bloated face, puffed up eyes, flat nose, and thick lips; in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx; its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: "As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair. ..." We can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of peoples. {End quote}

When Egypt was invaded by Arabs - Egypt suffered turbulent times when, in 609 AD, the country had sided with Nicetas, a lieutenant of Heraclius, in the rebellion against the emperor Phocas. Only shortly after Heraclius overthrew Phocas, the Byzantines were attacked by the Persians. The armies of the Sasanid King Khosrau II invaded Egypt, inflicting cruel suffering upon its some of its inhabitants. This Persian occupation lasted six years.

All races are issued from the African race by direct relationships and, the other continents were peopled from Africa at the Homo erectus stage, as well as the Homo sapiens stage, which appeared about 150,000 years ago.

It has been finally proven that, for a time period beginning 5 million years ago up until the glacial thaw (10,000 years ago), Africa almost unilaterally peopled and influenced the rest of the world.

Dr. Leakey, one of the world's most reputable paleo-anthropologist, in his serious work “Progress And Evolution Of Man In Africa”, reminds us that: “The critics of Africa forget that men of science are today satisfied that, Africa was the birthplace of man himself”. Human beings are Africa’s first contribution to humanity.

Advanced research and several studies in prehistory and paleo-anthropology have confirmed the similarities between the original founders of the pharaonic civilization (ancient Nubians, Ethiopians and Egyptians) and the modern day Africans.

Rawlinson concludes in “Origins Of Nations” that: [I]“The authors of Genesis unites together as members of the same ethnic family the Egyptians, the Ethiopians, the Southern Arabians, and the primitive inhabitants of Babylon”.

According to many ancient testimonies, the inhabitants of Sudan, Egypt, Arabia, Palestine, Western Asia and India were ''Aethiopians'', (the Greek title given to all Africans). Back in that era, there were two lands called Ethiopia. Sir Godfrey Higgins (Anacalypsis, vol.1) declared: “One on the east of the Red Sea, and the other on the west of it; and a very great nation of Blacks, from India, did rule almost over all Asia in a very remote era, in fact beyond the reach of history of any of our records”.

Herodotus who was initiated within the Ancient Egyptian mystery system declared that:” The uniform voice of primitive antiquity spoke of the Ethiopians as one single race, dwelling along the shores of the southern ocean, from India to the pillars of Hercules”. (Herodotus, vol.1 book I)

Greece: An Average Student of Ancient Egypt

Dr. Theophile Obenga, in this magisterial book "African Philosophy in World History" (Obenga,1998), successfully challenges and neutralizes the Hegelian philosophy of history, continuing in the footsteps of Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop, his mentor. Hegel alienated the Caucasian mind by stating with ignorance that "Africa has no history". That mis-education of the Caucasians led to arrogance with an unfounded racial superiority belief system.

The seven liberal arts and sciences, which are grammar, rhetoric, logic, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy, come out of Africa.

Therefore, to the Ancient Egyptians, and neither to the Greeks, nor to the Romans, are we indebted for the present body of human knowledge. Greece and Rome were average students in Ancient Egypt. Considered foreigners and childish, Greek students were unable to access a complete initiation and induction within the Ancient Egyptian Mystery System.

Aristotle of Stagira, Thales of Miletus, Pythagoras of Samos, Diodorus of Sicily, Plato and Strabo were all initiated in Ancient Egypt, from a very young age until adulthood. Their eyewitness accounts reflect the fact that they were taught and instructed by black teachers born and raised in Africa. Greed, prestige and reputation made most of them ungrateful, when they claimed all the theories and theorems, formulas and axioms they learned in Ancient Egypt for themselves. Most Greek and Roman students of Africa committed plagiarism by signing their names on their African teachers writings, inventions, creations and productions.

Thus, we now have: "Theorem of Pythagoras", "Thales'Axiom" among many illegal appropriations of the African sciences of geometry, mathematics, architecture, rhetoric and philosophy. Those operative sciences have been invented and implemented in the heart of Africa, thousands of years before the Greeks and Romans came into existence as a distinct race!

That saga continues today with the renaming of African scientific papyri such as the "Rhind Papyri" and the "Moscow mathematical Papyri". Those Papyri and their scientific content were produced and elaborated thousands of years before Rhind's people were born. Eastern Europe was still under the ice-age with barbaric people. Moscow, nor any of its founders, were even in existence at the time.

Since mankind originated first in Africa, it was necessarily black before becoming white through possible mutation and adaptation, at the end of the last ice-age in Europe. Scholars both ancient and modern have finally come to the conclusion that, the African people created the world's first civilization. African ancestors did rule the world from its seats of power, enthroned from the valley of the Granges, the Tigris and Euphrates, to the Nile and Niger Rivers.

meksar

07-03-2009, 12:17 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjWfTc1ENAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imIMQQTu13w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmytstzFd84&feature=related

meksar

07-03-2009, 07:39 PM

And here we have a few examples of the synagogue of satan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ek5G6337yU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpPMyQz759k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdbA2Ka3Bo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oouncw3jCCQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuhSObJ2DSk

This is why you will not see any of this on the "mainstream media"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0cuIRDymXg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6YtxHFtX8c

meksar

07-03-2009, 08:34 PM

12 Lost Tribes of Israel

Judah - so called Negroes
Benjamin - so called West Indians
Levi - so called Haitians
Simeon - so called Dominicans
Zebulon - Guatemala to Panama
Ephraim - so called Puerto Ricans
Manasseh- so called Cubans
Gad - N.American Indians
Reuben - Seminole Indians
Napthali - Argentina to Chile
Asher - Colombia to Uruguay
Issachar - Mexicans
ALSO ITALIANS, IRISH WHOSE ANCESTRY GOES BACK TO THE MOORS

eternal_spirit

07-03-2009, 09:09 PM

Why do some of you take this so seriously you're obsessed with trying to prove you are of the 12 tribes etc. why do you need to prove that you are?

meksar

07-03-2009, 09:22 PM

Why do some of you take this so seriously you're obsessed with trying to prove you are of the 12 tribes etc. why do you need to prove that you are?

Because this is a forum for the truth and the truth has to come out no matter how controversial or mind blowing it may seem.

eternal_spirit

07-03-2009, 09:23 PM

Because this is a forum for the truth and the truth has to come out no matter how controversial or mind blowing it may seem.
So you wanna believe that you are God's chosen one's the real Jews?

eternal_spirit

07-03-2009, 09:44 PM

So you wanna believe that you are God's chosen one's the real Jews?
I think so

Good luck with that, because the whole things more than likely a myth and causes division (there's many races/peoples who want/claim to be the true tribes) and false superiority complexes for those who are deluded enough to believe they alone are God's chosen.

I wouldn't wanna be related to no Israelites and their imaginary God of destruction Yahweh aka Allah It's all yours if you want it.

meksar

07-03-2009, 09:44 PM

God is just a sate of Consciousness which all of us regardless of race,sex etc can experience if we live in harmony with each other and nature.I believe that these people who i have listed have been the most oppressed and spat upon throughout history because of the way of the serpent,this mentality/agenda began in Babylon and has relocated time and time again.I will give you an example of someone experiencing a state of God like Consciousness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET9cnj3RfRU

honey_beez

07-03-2009, 11:36 PM

Because this is a forum for the truth and the truth has to come out no matter how controversial or mind blowing it may seem.

Agree :)

meksar

09-03-2009, 03:07 AM

Here is a Israelite exposing a Khazar Ashkenazi for what he really is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsX_Kmk29w8

And here is how this particular individual ended up

http://www.rense.com/general31/sui.htm

evster2012

11-03-2009, 11:45 AM

Abraham, Sarah and family came from Ur in the Chaldees. They were Sumerians. The name Terah stems from the Sumerian Tirhu, which means preist. Sarai means princess. So you have a priestly family from Sumer. In Canaan Abraham described himself as an Ibri (Hebrew). This comes from the Sumerian Ni.Ibru. That would suggest that Terah was first a priest in Nippur. In the year 2095 BCE, Shulgi supplanted Ur Nammu as ruler. This was the same year Terah took his family to Harran, and finally Canaan.

So the Hebrews were a line of Sumerian priests leaving Sumer at a time when a new cult took over the temples and Baal/Marduk became the god worshipped there.

Anyway, that's where the "Hebrews" started. Who their descendants mingled with is your discussion. I just thought I'd provide a little back story.

Cheers.:)

meksar

12-03-2009, 12:44 AM

It started back with Jacob and Esau.Esau is still trying to get back the birthright that he sold for a bowl of soup.The descendants of this man called Esau, the edomites, are mentioned in the Bible. They're known as the Synagogue of Satan.

evster2012

12-03-2009, 11:16 PM

^^Agreed, though that would be the next step in the story. Abraham the Hebrew's grandsons by Isaac. And Ishmael is traditionally considered the ancestor of the Arab people.

Mo0n5tar

12-03-2009, 11:52 PM

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B L A C K B L O O D I N I S R A E L?

* Genesis 12:16 – Not only Hagar, but many of Abraham’s servants were gifts from
Pharaoh and in this period it is fairly likely that many were Nubians. (approx. 1921 BC)
* Genesis 13: 6-8 – Abraham had a large number of herdsmen and 318 male servants who
were born into his house.
* Genesis 25 – Isaac, Abraham’s son and then Jacob inherited everything.
* Genesis41:50 – Joseph fathered two tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, by an Egyptian wife,
automatically making Israel nearly 10 percent Egyptian. Joshua was from one of these
half-African tribes, Ephraim; in later years this tribe became so dominant that the
northern tribes of Israel were sometimes simply called “Ephraim”. When the Israelites
were subjected to slavery under the Egyptians, they and their former servants were now
all defined as Israel together; this means that much intermarriage must have taken
place.

* Exodus 12:38 – After 400 years, a “mixed multitude” left Egypt during the Exodus.

http://www.authenticjews.com/

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb238/MReubens/1BIG.jpg

Why does Eternal Spambot always come and spew her spam attempting to derail the good threads discussing truth?

honey_beez

13-03-2009, 12:24 AM

Israelites

Black Jews were in Africa 1300 years before the birth of Christianity and 1800 years before the birth of Mohammed.

Israel (Palestine) depends totally on the United States for existence. Since the establishment of the Jewish state in 1948, the United States has expressed its commitment to Israel's security and well-being and has devoted a considerable share of its world-wide economic and security assistance.

There are two distinct groups of Jews living in Palestine. The Sephardic Jews from the Middle East and North Africa; the Ashkenazim (singular, Ashkenazi) Jews from Eastern Europe. The Sephardic is the oldest group and are the Jews described in the Bible. They are blood relatives to the Arabs - The only difference between them is religion. The Ashkenazim Jews comprise 90 percent of the Jews in the world. According to historians, the Ashkenazim Jews came into existence about 1200 years ago.

Arab historian Jarid al-Kidwa told an Arab TV audience, "all the events surrounding Kings Saul, David and Rehoboam occurred in Yemen, and no Hebrew remnants were found in Israel, for a very simple reason--because they were never here."

Al-Kidwa said: "Most of the Khazars [a Turkish tribe that converted to Judaism in medieval times] are the Ashkenazic Jews who arrived in Palestine. As Allah is my witness, in my blood flows more of the Children of Israel and the ancient Hebrews than in the blood of Ariel Sharon and Benjamin Netanyahu."

The identity of our father Ibrahim [Abraham] who is mentioned in the Koran is clear. From the Koran's description of him it arises that he lived in the southern Hejaz [Saudi Arabia], near Mecca."

(The Omega Letter Intelligence Digest - Jack Kinsella)

Most of today's Jews in Palestine aren’t descended from Abraham. If you read your Bible right now, it still tells you God promised land to the ‘seed of Abraham’ – the literal seed of Abraham. Evangelicals and other Christians believe in a spiritual Israel--not a physical Israel. Churches teach or have interpreted the Bible to mean the spiritual seed of Abraham. Did the church fathers in Rome know the implications of the "seed of Abraham?"

Abraham found the land of Canaan inhabited by Hamitic people upon his arrival. Genesis 15:18 clearly reaffirms the boundaries of the land to be inherited by Abraham (Genesis 2:8-14) from the Nile to the Euphrates including the Garden of Eden and the Fertile Crescent. Genesis 15:19-21 lists the Hamitic Tribe people and nations who inhabited the region promised to Abraham in Genesis 15:1-21.

The Cushites of Mesopotamia were Ethiopians (Judges 3:3-10). Cushites were Edenites from the Land of Eden. The Sudanese are synonymous with Watusi and Zulu, 400 years from 1846-1446 BC. The Cushites of Mesopotamia are identical with Ethiopians. Until the 4th Glacial Epoch, flat-nosed Negroes were the only humans (Diop, 67-8). There is archaeological evidence includes Semitic Languages which are closely related to African Languages and are spoken in Syria, Palestine and related to Berber, Libyan, ancient Egyptian and Coptic Cushite (Greenberg pp. 110-111). The earliest human bones have been found in Ethiopia. Twenty years ago South Africa was the only place in the world where the bones found allowed scientists to reconstitute the genealogical tree of mankind uninterruptedly from its beginning until today.

Did you know Britain wanted to set up a homeland for the Jews in British East Africa in 1903? I wonder why? Was it because it was one of the homelands of the original Jews--(Abayudaya Jews). The Ashkenazim (converts) have been telling people the Uganda Jews are converts themselves. That implication does not hold water for the pockets of Jews appearing all over the Continent of Africa. What about the Lemba who contain more of the priestly Y Chromosome than any other groups of Jews globally? Read on!!!

Ancient Israel was in Egypt (Land of Ham)--not Palestine as you have been led to believe. Ancient Israel spent 430 years in Egypt. They entered Egypt 66 in number and left numbering two million+ people. This is just one more incidence of fabricated history. It also plays right into changing the color of history. The Europeans have spent centuries trying to prove Egypt was Caucasian--for what? Just Guess!!!

In his book Ancient Israel in Sinai, Hoffmeier refutes the claims of scholars who doubt the historical accuracy of the biblical account of the Israelite sojourn in Egypt. He employs archaeological findings to shed new light on the route of the Exodus from Egypt. He also investigates the location of Mount Sinai and offers a rebuttal to those who have sought to locate it in northern Arabia and not in the Sinai peninsula as traditionally thought.

According to the Bible in Genesis 28:4, Abraham’s blessing passed from Isaac to Jacob. “And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham.”

(Ezekiel 38:8) In the last days, the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would return to the ‘mountains of Israel, which have always been waste’ and the nation of Israel would be reborn, ‘in a day’ -- (Isaiah 66:8).

The Sephardim are Israelites with African Ancestry. The word Sephardi is "Spanish." It refers to the Moors (Israelites) who lived in Portugal and Spain when the Moors ruled the country for 700 years. The term now applies to non-Europeans Israelites who lived in Moslem countries or African-Asian countries. It is also another name applied to these same Israelites is "Oriental" (Windsor, 111). The Blacks transported to the Americas as slaves were Israelites. Read The Hebrewisms of West Africa published in 1930 by Joseph Williams.

According to Bible prophecy, during the reign of the antichrist, the Temple will be rebuilt and full Temple worship restored by a Cohanim--the Jewish priesthood who must meet strict bloodline requirements, including direct decadency from Aaron, the brother of Moses.

So do you believe the ethnic Jews, and not merely religious Jews, qualify to inherit the Land of Promise, according to Scripture--the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses?

All existing studies fail to compare modern Jewish populations' DNA to ancient Judean DNA and medieval Khazarian DNA, and many of them focus on paternal ancestries rather than maternal ancestries.

According to "DNA research carried out at the Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical School and University College in London has shown that many Jews and Arabs are closely related. That makes for more Biblical Proof doesn't it?

According to the Bible, Arabs are descended from Ishmael and Esau and are closely related to the Hebrews. Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

The Bible says that the Jewish priesthood, the Cohanim, began 3000 years ago when God anointed Aaron, brother of Moses, to be Israel’s High Priest. A DNA genetic study of modern-day Cohanim has provided the first scientific evidence supporting the oral tradition of an ancient priestly lineage.

Statistically, the Lemba people from Southeast Africa are more JewishProf Mathivha of the Lemba Cultural Association than European Jews. In a particular Lemba Clan known as the Buba Clan, 53 percent of the males carry the unique DNA signature of Jewish priests. Males form the Lemba Tribe carry a higher incidence of the Jewish priestly DNA signature than the European and American Jewish population. The Lemba carry a DNA sequence that is distinctive to the Cohanim, a hereditary set of Jewish priests. More than half of the men in an Lemba elite family contain the same genetic marker on the Y Chromosome as the one found in a study of Kohanim — male Jews who claim to be descended from the Jewish priestly line of Aaron, brother of Moses.

(Genesis 10:6-19) Ham had four sons: 1. CUSH (Ethiopians, Cushites & Nubians), 2. MIZRAIM (Egyptians & Khemet), 3. PHUT (Ancient Libyans or Somalia), and 4. CANAAN (Canaanite, the original inhabitants of the Land of Israel).

(Exodus 4:6-7) God shows Moses miracles proving to the Children of Israel that he was sent by him--God. Moses puts his hand into his bosom. When he takes his hand out, it is LEPROUS (White) as snow. If Moses was already white, what would have been the miracle in turning the skin of his hand white?

In Verse 7, God told Moses to put his hand back into his bosom, and it turned the same as the other flesh of his body. If the flesh was being turned back to the same color as the other parts of his body, doesn't that mean his skin was not "white as snow?"

Acts 10:28: Their behavior angered God. In Verse 10, he TURNED MIRIAM LEPROUS, WHITE AS SNOW. Once again if Miriam, who was a Hebrew, was white to begin with, what would have been the curse of turning a white person white?

It is an established fact the Bible always mentioned leprosy in the context with the skin turning white because of a disease or in relationship to some specific wrong doing. There was snow in what is today known as the Middle East. There was snow at Mt. Hermon, Lebanon, snow in the Sinai, and at the Simen Range in Ethiopia.

In the book of Amos chapter 9: we will now see Israel being compared to Ham (Khawm) first born son Cush / Ethiopians.

In Verse 7, "ARE YOU NOT AS CHILDREN OF THE ETHIOPIANS UNTO ME, O CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?"...

In this Verse, the Israelites are being called children of the Ethiopians by the Most High. The Ethiopians (Israel) are called by the most high his children. It doesn't make sense to call white people, CHILDREN OF THE ETHIOPIANS, would it?

References

Diop, Cheikh Anta. The African Origin of Civilization. Chicago: Lawrence Hill Books, 1974.

Greenberg, Gary. The Bible Myth: The African Origins of the Jewish People. Secaucus, NJ: Carol Publishing Group, 1996.

Kinsella, Jack, "Are Today's Jews Really Ancient Israel?" (Sep 18, 2003)

Sand, Jay P., "The Jews of Africa - The Lemba of Southern Africa http://www.mindspring.com/~jaypsand/lemba.htm

Windsor, Rudolphf R., The Valley of The Dry Bones, Atlanta, GA: The Windsor Press, 1986.

Williams, Joseph J., Hebrewisms of West Africa, New York: The Dial Press, 1930.

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Source: http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/israelites.htm

opulentview

13-03-2009, 12:33 AM

evster2012

13-03-2009, 12:49 AM

Source: http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/israelites.htm

I am white, but not as snow. Ever seen a caucasian with leprosy, lol? There's a definite and shocking change of pigment.

That said, European Jews aren't white like white white. They're more olive-skinned, as most Eastern Mediterranians are. And your European Jews have had centuries to mingle their DNA with actual "white" people, while your African peoples have mostly, if not totally mixed with other black peoples, so keeping their DNA more or less as it's always been.

I'm not discounting your research by any means, just building on it.:)

Before Lord Balfour proposed a Palestine-located Israeli state, the local Jews lived in relative harmony with the locals. In fact most of them resented the interference of the Zionist from abroad.

And yes it's true, the original suggested location for said state was in Northeast Africa. That is indeed a matter of fact.;)

oiram

13-03-2009, 12:59 AM

Historical_Documents Quotes from Theodor Hertzel, the father of Zionism
WORDS OF Theodor Hertzel (the father of zionism) and Other Zionist Leaders

Zionism and Herzl: The Antisemitic Side of Zionism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9024068972366598651
Video Link:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=9024068972366598651

The term "Zionism" was first introduced in 1893 by Nathan Birmbaum, but Theodor Hertzel, an Austrian Jew born to a prosperous, emancipated Budapest family, is recognized as the founder of the Zionist idealogy when he published his book in 1896, "The Jewish State", where he declared that the cure for anti-semitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.

While Hertzel claimed that the establishment of a "Jewish" state would cure anti-Semitism, he also promoted anti-Semitism to further his cause.

Quotes from Hertzel and other Zionists demonstrate their philosophy and the lengths to which they are willing to go to accomplish their goals:

1. In the diary of Hertzel, page 14, he writes a way to solve the problem of anti-Semitism was to speak to the head priest of Vienna to get an appointment with the Pope, to make a mass conversion of all the Jews of Austria to Catholicism. He continues: "It should be done on a Sunday, in the middle of the day, with music, and pride, publicly. We are the last generation that held on to the faith of our for-fathers. The conversion would be in St. Stephen's Cathedral." (How could you honor a Jew that wanted to abolish Judaism?)
2. In the bi-weekly diary, "Temurah", no.2, pg. 12-13, "I didn't circumsize my son Hans, and this will bring the Geula closer."
3. Ibid. "Simple goyim are better than Rabbis, and the highest are the goyish priests."
4. In his article "Deutche Tsytung newspaper" Hertzel writes: "The Jews make countries fight each other and when they want, make peace. But whatever happens, they get rich from this." (Hitler said this also).
5. Diary, page 16: "Antisemitism helps to build this kind of jew, Education that will bring to assimilation."
6. Diary, page 68: "An idea rose on my heart to bring on anti-Semitism and to obliterate Jewish wealth.
7. In the book "Hertzel", this is a quote: "I bless every jew that converts to Christianity and my son, the sooner the better, to save him from anti-Semitism.
8. After the Dreyfus affair, Hertzel saw the engraned jew hatred and that the goyim would not accept the jews with open arms, then he came up with Zionism, after being convinced by the British goyim on the land of Israel. He himself originally wanted other lands, one of them being Argentina.
9. In his book, "Altnoyland", "its understood that I have to remember (or mention) to discard negative Jewish things, like the Yiddish language and observing mitzvos."
10. Doctor Amnun Raz Kavkotzikin -- historian at the University of Ben Gurion says: "The country of Hertzel is a western European anti-eastern (Sephardic) and anti-religious."
11. Chaim Chassas, in the newspaper of the Zionist's, Ha'Arutz, 1943, "Zionism and Judaismm is not one thing but two different things. And of course two contradicting one another. Zionism starts at the place where Judaism is destroyed...one thing is certain, Zionism is not a continuation or healing of wounded Judaism, but rather an uprooting."
12. Doctor Tom Shagav, historian and newspaper writer, "Zionism saw itself as competition as to religion, to define a jew without torah. A Zionist could be a jew without any faith, even a Kofer."
13. Doctor Faul Shaul Landau, the personal secretary of Hertzel, saw to it that all of Hertzel's writings were published against the will of the other Zionists who feared the open anti-Semitic element of his writings.
14. Zev Japotinsky in his article "Outside the camp", in the newspaper "Chadashot HaAretz" 22/10/1919: "In the national home we will announce that those Jews who have on themselves the rust of Gulles, and deny to shave off their beards and payos will be 2nd class citizens and will not have the right to vote."
15. Ben Gurion, in his book "Yehudi ve' od", "The disapora is ending and everyone is coming, this still does not make a nation but a mixed multitude and dust of man, without a language and education, without roots. To change dust of man to a cultured nation is not an easy job."
16. Ben Gurion: "If I could save all the children of Germany by bringing them to England and only half to Israel, I would choose the second."
17. Yoel Bronde/Eichman offered him a deal to save a million jews for money and the Sochnute decided not to, and they were murdered.
18. Wusshishkin, head of the Jewish National Fund in the 1920's (there is a street named after him in Jerusalem), "What's the difference between Jews getting killed in the diaspora and the land of israel? They [of the disapora] are sacrifices of a dying nation. There was no purpose in their death, just like there was no purpose in their life. Not so with the sacrifices in our land, we look at them with pride."
19. Yitzchak Greenbaum, Zionist responsible for saving Jews in World War Two, and later Minister of the Interior under Ben Gurion, "Concerning using communal money to save the Jews, no and no and no. Zionism comes first."
20. Chaim Wiessman, first president "I want to save two million youth, the elders will be lost and await for what's coming to them. They are economic dust in a cruel world. Just a branch of the youth will remain, the old ones have to work with this, and make peace with it.
21. Holphany Heartglass, who later became the minister of interior under Ben Gurion writes in 1956 guidelines for the counselors, on how to deal with the Yemenites who came and were religious. "It's understood that our intention is to bring them to the realization that their faith in hashem is without sense, etc...and it does not have a right to exist." He writes further: "it's better to save 10,000 that can build a country, even though we can save a million, but it won't benefit the country. We have to let them go and not to save those who are not Zionists, we causes demoralizatoin and not to save the harmful element."
22. A former Sachnut worker, Yigal ben dovid, witness and testifies: "a special agent from the Zionists in the land of Israel came to Europe to see that only their people were saved. Selection, a few mizrachi and revisionsalists (from japotinsky) and no charadim at all." All this was taken from the disc "Hertzel and the Zionists" From Rabbi Amnon Yitzchak.
23. On the tape "why do they hate charadim?" he brings from Hertzel's diary "The Rabbi should be locked up in the Synagogues, the country has its own culture."
24. Twelve times Hertzel is in the sofe tevos of pesukim, but always backwards. And all the pesukim talk about the land of Israel, because Herzel backwards is "latzara". Only once is his name written straight, in the sofe tevos, in the book of shmuel, "it wasn't good", the advice which achitovel advised.
25. 1996, newspaper "Mahariv", written by Amir Ben Dovid, "Hertzel visited the prostitution houses of Vienna and desired young girls. He also had a December tree at his home."
26. Uri Avnari, present Israeli journalist, went through all the writings of Hertzel, and he brings down that Hertzel endorsed "mass intermarriage", was against democracy, but rather a republic, where a prince is elected for life, and he appoints the government. (Of course, Hertzel himself wanted to be the ruler). Would rather not to have been born Jewish, but to an old Prussian family.
27. Hertzel was not a good father, did not have a close relationship with his children, or anyone, except his mother (his son Hanz committed suicide). His daughter Polina died from drugs in those years. His daughter, Trudy, went out of her mind. His only grandchild jumped off the Washington bridge, suicide. Nothing is left from Hertzel. His daughters were sent to learn by the Christians, Hertzel was haughty, filthy, hated himself and his Jewishness. This is all written by an American reporter by the name of Powell.
28. The Zionists used Judaism as a way to lure the Jews over to them... just like the Christian missionaries, on the one hand, they tried to sell a redemption of the ages, that all the jews in history are waiting for a Messiah.

http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/Herzl_quotes.cfm

Who would have thought it eh. I knew the Rothschids were involved in this somehow.
Here at Jerzl.orgs site is where I find the Rothschild connection integral yet painted over in such a fashion as to make it seem lie the sides apposed, yet as we have seen throughout the generations they seem to have been the muses for the anti-religious/jewish writings of a front man. With the Barvaian Illuminati it was Weishaupt, communism Marx, etc.
The first Zionist document was supposed to have been written as a diatribe to bring the Baron onside to his goal of Zionism...however as we see this 'tension' bore 'great fruits'. :-\

http://www.herzl.org/english/Article.aspx?Item=519&Section=491

The Movement toward Zionism
During his short life, Herzl experienced ideological changes that eventually led him to develop his Zionist vision. After initially taking the view that the Jews should assimilate completely in European society, he came to realize that assimilation was no response to anti-Semitism, which was not a transient phenomenon but one with deep theological, social and cultural roots. He recognized that seeing anti-Semitic incidents as marginal episodes was tantamount to closing one’s eyes. Given the failure of emancipation, he understood that the Jews would only be able to find a solution for their distress if they established their own independent state. Having reached this conclusion, Herzl began to act consistently to secure his goal - strengthening ties among the Jews of the world in order to unite them under a common platform, contacting world leaders to secure recognition for the Zionist enterprise, and initiating diplomatic steps to this end.

Herzl did not live to see his ideas come to fruition. The State of Israel was established only fifty years after his death, and in his later years he faced more than a few disappointments and came to fear for the fate of the Jews. Yet during his life, he managed to establish the central institutions of the Jewish people, some of which continue to serve us to this day. The World Zionist Organization, the Zionist Congress, the Zionist Executive, the Jewish National Fund and the Jewish Agency were all established or inspired by Herzl.

However, there were many bends in the road leading to the establishment of the Zionist movements and institutions, with numerous difficulties and setbacks along the way.

Herzl and the Wealthy Barons
From the beginning, Herzl realized that in order to ensure that the idea of the Jewish state could become a feasible proposition, he would have to secure both ideological and financial support. To this end, he initiated meetings with senior political and financial figures in the hope that he could convince them of the importance of Zionism and recruit them to the cause.

One of the first figures he met was Baron Hirsch, with whom he held a “Jewish political discussion” in May 1895. The two men met again in June, after Herzl sent the wealthy philanthropist a detailed letter explaining his position. “If only we had a united political state, we could begin to solve the ‘Jewish question,’” Herzl wrote, adding that the dispersal of the Jewish people and the absence of a unified leadership meant that "there is no-one willing... to educate us to be true men." The only solution to this, he continued, was a political one.

The meeting between the two men had no practical outcome, and is of primarily historical importance. Hirsch rejected Herzl’s ideas, which he felt were unfeasible, and dismissed Herzl’s strong criticism of his philanthropic approach. He was also dismissive of Herzl’s goal of establishing “a national Jewish fund that would raise ten million marks.” Hirsch saw Herzl’s vision as an impossible mission, and scornfully predicted that “the rich Jews will not give a penny.” Thus their meeting was of no practical benefit, though it served as a “baptism by fire” for Herzl, who would later meet many similar skeptics who regarded his enthusiastic faith in a critical, scornful or apathetic manner.

As a young man (and, indeed, as he grew older), Herzl was not alarmed by the Baron’s cool response. “Do not find fault with me because I am a younger man,” he wrote after the meeting. “Would you care to wage a bet with me? I shall found a national loan fund for the Jews.” The disappointing meeting did not discourage Herzl, who continued to engage in correspondence with leading figures such as the German Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck, the well-known Jewish architect Oskar Marmorek, the talented journalist Friedrich Schiff, and wealthy members of the Rothschild family. Herzl explained his ideas to them, hoping to secure a positive response that would encourage him as he continued his efforts. However, these figures were unimpressed by his initiatives, which they received with disdainful reservations. Herzl realized that he could not rely on rich philanthropists, and must turn his attention to the masses.

Herzl’s efforts to enlist the Rothschilds to his ideas were unsuccessful and ended in mutual disappointment. However, the fierce argument between the two sides proved that debate could provide fertile ground for action, and that feelings of resentment and anger could produce energies to be channeled into fruitful avenues. The tension between Herzl and the Rothschild family led the young leader to clarify his own positions, and his resentment encouraged him to express his thoughts in a fiery and determined manner. Under the impact of his difficult meeting with the Rothschilds, Herzl decided to make an impassioned speech before them, and spent five days feverishly writing some 65 dense pages he intended to read before the wealthy family.

The dramatic reading never took place. However, like many others, the Rothschilds were exposed to the speech in its refined version, when it appeared as Herzl’s book Der Judenstaat

The First Zionist Document
The book The Jewish State, An Attempt for a Modern Solution to the Jewish Question, (Der Judenstaat) was published on February 14, 1896. On the same day, Herzl wrote in his diary: “Toward evening, 500 copies of The Jewish State arrived. When I asked that the parcel be taken to my room, I was profoundly excited. This collection of booklets is a concrete manifestation of the determination. It seems that my life is at a turning point.”

Herzl was right. Not only his own life, but also the life of the entire Jewish people was indeed at a turning point. In The Jewish State, which would later become the fundamental manifesto of the Zionist movement, the Zionist vision was described for the first time, reinforcing the readers’ faith that a Jewish state was neither a legend nor a dream. In clear, precise terms, in a well-developed and well-phrased text, Herzl described the steps to be taken in order to realize the Zionist ideal and the character of the future state. Thus this work came to secure a place of honor on the Jewish bookshelf.

In the first part of the book, Herzl clarifies that the only solution to the distress faced by the Jews is to establish a sovereign political entity. In eloquent and well-argued terms, he explained that, despite the dispersion of the Jews around the world, they nevertheless constitute a people – a Jewish people with a distinct national identity; a Jewish nation that deserves a proper definition and independent territory, which will provide an economic and social solution not only for the Jews, but for the entire world.

The book then describes the steps to be taken to realize this idea. Herzl explains how the people were to be organized, led and governed; illustrates how economic resources can be recruited; and describes the ways in which diplomatic support may be secured. He then goes on to offer a portrait of the future state, including its social and cultural structure, noting the steps necessary in order to prepare the country to receive immigrants. The first step to be taken, he argues, is to establish orderly institutions that will act to realize the state. To this end, Herzl proposes the establishment of two main bodies: A “Jewish Association,” to be responsible for the organizational and diplomatic aspects, and a “Jewish Society,” charged with the financial aspects and responsible for executive action.

The Reception of TheJewish State around the World
The strength of the reaction to The Jewish State was in inverse proportion to the slender dimensions of the booklet. A work of just 86 pages provoked media discussion and a stormy public debate. Some angrily criticized Herzl, whom they saw as a “false messiah” liable to bring disaster upon the Jews of the Diaspora through his exaggerated “prophecies.” Others saw his thoughts as the manifestation of dangerous delusions of grandeur. Still others felt that the book managed to provide a profound and accurate description of the components of the “Jewish problem,” to outline in a surprisingly sharp manner the ways to resolve this problem; their feeling was that the author, Binyamin Ze’ev Herzl, was a visionary rather than a dreamer, and that he deserved the title of the “New Moses.”

Herzl’s diary entries from this period illustrate the profound impression The Jewish State made on European society as a whole. We can learn that numerological calculations and spiritual awareness are not the exclusive prerogative of the New Age, as testified by the enthusiasm of William H. Hechler*, a priest who described Herzl as “a sympathetic and gentle man, with a long prophet’s beard.” Hechler claimed, on the basis of ancient numerological signs and an ancient prophecy from the time of Omar (637-638) that “after 42 prophetic moons, which are 1260 years, the Land of Israel shall be returned to the Jews, viz. in 1896-1898,” as Herzl wrote in his diary (March 10, 1896), reporting the clergyman’s reaction.

This story may seem at first glance to be no more than an amusing anecdote, but it is evidence of the broad support Herzl secured from a wide range of individuals and groups, businessmen, public figures and ideologues. By way of example, Herzl secured the support of the Marmorek brothers of Paris, the encouragement of Alfred Stern, a member of the Vienna city council, and the support of the Zionists of Sofia, Bulgaria, 600 of whom wrote to express their willingness to join the movement.

Herzl – A Rising Power
The heartening responses to The Jewish State galvanized Herzl’s determination to continue with his diplomatic activities in order to secure his goals. Hechler, the clergyman with his encouraging ancient prophecies, attempted to arrange a meeting between Herzl and the German Chancellor, and helped mediate contacts with other political figures.

Thanks to Hechler’s mediation, a meeting was arranged between Herzl and Friedrich, the Archduke of Baden** and uncle of Wilhelm the Second, the emperor of Germany. Herzl’s extensive preparations before the meeting proved worthwhile. The encounter was particularly successful – the archduke was fascinated by Herzl’s personality and ideas. Herzl explained the advantages of the future Jewish state from the perspective of the German empire, and convinced him that his support in its establishment would bring great benefit both for the Jews and for the nations of Europe.

The vigorous support of the archduke encouraged Herzl to continue his diplomatic contacts, and he began to initiate contacts with the Ottoman Empire. He could not yet arrange a meeting with the sultan, but he managed to meet other leaders in the Ottoman administration, such as Prime Minister Khalil Rifat Pasha, the secretary-general of the Foreign Ministry, Nuri Bey, and the sultan’s secretary, Izat Bey, who later became the “Grand Vizier” or prime minister of the empire.

Alongside his diplomatic efforts, Herzl continued to enhance his status among the Jews of Europe. Although he was sometimes subjected to hostile criticism, he was increasingly convinced that, in order to realize the Zionist vision, it was necessary to unite the Jewish masses and organize Zionism as an official movement uniting the Jewish people under a common ideological platform. “The land of our forefathers still exists… The ancient land renews its youth under the touch of diligent hands. Again it bears flowers, again it bears fruit, and, one day, one fine day, it may yet bear the happiness and dignity of the Jews,” predicted Herzl in a speech to the members of the Maccabeans Club. In order to establish this state, he knew, it was essential to consolidate Zionism as an orderly movement and convene the Jews of the world.

Within a few weeks, Herzl was successful in his task, and the First Zionist Congress was opened.

* William Henry Hechler (1845-1931)
A South African-born British priest who was on close terms with Kaiser Wilhelm the Second. Hechler, who was identified with the Anglican Church, was an unusual figure who had a strong interest in the spiritual and mystical worlds. In 1884, he published his essay “The Return of the Jews to the Land of Israel in accordance with the Prophets,” in which, drawing on ancient prophecies, he predicted that around 1897 the Jews would return to their homeland. He met Herzl while serving as chaplain at the British embassy in Vienna, and the two men developed a special friendship.

** Freidrich, Archduke of Baden(1826-1907)
The archduke, who controlled the State of Baden from 1876, was considered the most democratic and liberal of the German princes, and supported Herzl and Zionism. “The noblest man I know,” Herzl wrote of him, “A great man who is ready to help.” The archduke was the uncle of the German Kaiser Wilhelm the Second, with whom he had a close relationship. It was Friedrich who crowned Wilhelm emperor of Germany (in 1871), and he helped greatly to develop contacts between Herzl and the Kaiser.

http://www.herzl.org/english/Article.aspx?Item=519&Section=491

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evster2012

13-03-2009, 02:08 AM

oiram

13-03-2009, 02:26 AM

That was a fascinting documentary! Thanks for posting the link! I'd like to send the link without it being embedded in this site (for personal reasons). Can you give me the direct link? Thanks in advance!
Zionism and Herzl: The Antisemitic Side of Zionism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9024068972366598651
Video Link:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=9024068972366598651
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=9024068972366598651

evster2012

13-03-2009, 02:27 AM

Thanks!!!!

*edit to add* Doh! Now I see it your post, lol!

honey_beez

13-03-2009, 11:41 AM

I am white, but not as snow. Ever seen a caucasian with leprosy, lol? There's a definite and shocking change of pigment.

That said, European Jews aren't white like white white. They're more olive-skinned, as most Eastern Mediterranians are. And your European Jews have had centuries to mingle their DNA with actual "white" people, while your African peoples have mostly, if not totally mixed with other black peoples, so keeping their DNA more or less as it's always been.

I'm not discounting your research by any means, just building on it.:)

Before Lord Balfour proposed a Palestine-located Israeli state, the local Jews lived in relative harmony with the locals. In fact most of them resented the interference of the Zionist from abroad.

And yes it's true, the original suggested location for said state was in Northeast Africa. That is indeed a matter of fact.;)

No problem, I like to keep an open-mind when it comes to all this. :) It's important to filter information and only you can decide what your truth is at the end of the day.
You care to drop some info on this subject .. please post links etc would be great if you can and highly apperciated;)

oiram

13-03-2009, 03:41 PM

A very interesting work on the origin of "Jews". Many references from ancient times to modern day as well as Christian institutions and the differences between Jews, Hebrews, Israelites etc. A good read for background research into this subject.

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WHO ARE THE JEWS?
Part 1 of 2
by Brig. Gen. Gordon "Jack" Mohr, C.P.D.L.
(With excerpts from Nord Davis, Jr., STAR WARS)

"But ye (Jews) believe not, because ye are not of My (Christ's) sheep - . . ." - Matthew 10:26

INTRODUCTION

One of the most baffling questions facing Christendom in the 20th Century revolves around the people we know as Jews. Who are they? Are they the Chosen People of the Bible, the seed of Abraham, to whom God gave the promise of Genesis 12-3 "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee?" Or are they a heathen, satanic people who have been a "thorn in the flesh" of true Israel for centuries and who have a world plan for the destruction of Christianity?

Much of importance revolves around the proper answer to this question. The fundamentalist and evangelical Christian world, for the most part teach that the present day people who call themselves Jews are indeed the offspring of Abraham, "the friend of God," and that to receive the blessings of God, Christians must help them in every way possible, even when they appear as the Apostle Paul stated in 1 Thessalonians 2:15, to be the murderers of their own prophets, persecutors of Christians, who "please not God and are contrary to all men."

Hand in hand with this problem, comes an even more complex one. "Was Jesus of Nazareth, the Virgin born Son of God, the Savior of the world - a Jew?" Most Christian pastors and Bible scholars say "Yes". But this does not make it so! The Jews themselves have a variety of opinions. Their religious book, the BABYLONIAN TALMUD, recognizes Jesus and calls Him, "the son of Pandria, a Roman solider," (SANHEDRIN, 67a). The book KALLAH, lb, 18b) states: "Jesus was the illegitimate child of a Jewish prostitute and was conceived during menstruation."

Another passage in the SANHEDRIN (103) suggests that Jesus corrupted the morals of the Judahite people and in par. 107, of this same book, it states: "Jesus corrupted and deceived and destroyed Israel."

Yet Michael Rodkinson, a Jew, in his book HISTORY OF THE TALMUD, states on page 70 - "The TALMUD is the source from whence Jesus of Nazareth drew the teachings which enabled him to revolutionize the world".

Stimulated by this Jewish statement, every Christian, especially every pastor and Bible scholar, should take time to investigate whether this statement is true. Did Jesus Christ derive his teachings from the heathen, occult book known as the TALMUD?

In his recent book, JESUS WAS A JEW!, Arthur Fruchenbaum attempts to answer these questions: "Who was Jesus of Nazareth? Was he a good teacher? Was he a well-meaning but confused religionist? Was he the disciple of another teacher? Regardless of how you answer these questions, JESUS WAS A JEW!" (UNQ.)

In the introduction to his book, Fruchtenbaum says: "The personality of Jesus of Nazareth stands as an enigma in Jewish history. Hailed by millions as a Savior and giver of life, his name has been used to condemn the Jews and an excuse to take Jewish lives."

Another Jewish group stated in a pamphlet titled SANTA CLAUS, THE EASTER BUNNY, and JESUS! written by a Jewish Rabbi from Florida: After mentioning the Christian myths of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, he states: "Then comes the hoax of all Christian hoaxes. The story of Jesus.

"The truth of the matter is that there is no historical proof that Jesus ever existed. There is no piece of physical evidence on earth today that can prove that he existed.

"No man knows where he was born; how he looked; when he died; or even where he was buried.

"Just like the story of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, the story of Jesus is another foolish Christian myth." (UNQ.)

In another article, written by a one-time Christian woman who had converted to Judaism, she says:

"To be a completed Jew one must first rid himself of all the pagan and idolatrous teachings of Christianity and rise to a higher level of holiness to believe in the one true God.

"The turning point in my life came when my husband and I were invited to celebrate the Jewish Sabbath with an orthodox rabbi. We were startled, because we felt God's presence there.

"After studying under this Rabbi and others and learning the true way of the Lord, I had no trouble abandoning the life of deception I had led until now.

"The day of my conversion to Judaism, I learned the true meaning of being 'born again.' Yes, I have been 'born again' as a Jew.

"Since that day, my husband and I have turned our ministry to exposing the myths of Christianity... the lies, the hatred, and the hypocrisy of its preachers." (UNO.)

Another Jewish Rabbi, from his headquarters in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida writes:

"Christian scholars are coming close to discovering the truth that the New Testament was the greatest book of fiction ever written. Already they have found definite proof that there was no such thing as a 'Virgin Birth', and a 'resurrection.' They are catching up with the proven facts of history, that Jesus never existed.

"Furthermore, Christian Bible scholars have definite proof, that if Jesus Christ had actually existed, he would have been a homosexual, since the traditional Jewish custom was for men to be married by the time they were eighteen. In addition, according to the Christian fairy tale of the New Testament, he never dated, he never had any girl friends, and he ran around with a group of known homosexual friends." (This so-called evidence comes from the pen of a Jewish writer named Phineas Lapide. I wonder what Bible he read.) - ED.

After writing some scurrilous tracts about Christians, this Florida Rabbi wrote:

"Let me assure you that I did write them and am quite proud of them ... I have been able to get some good local newspaper publicity by calling local newspapers and telling them that some Jews have left these at my church and that they were written by a local Rabbi. They fell for this hook, line and sinker, and I became a local martyr.

"In my tract about Communism I showed how the leading Communist agitators today are Christians, and how the New Testament is even more RED than the Communist Manifesto! I also pointed out, as a matter of history, that the first Bolshevik, and Communist revolutionaries described Jesus as their teacher and named him the GREAT COMMUNIST." (UNQ.)

These statements are indeed interesting when one compares them with other statements made by eminent Jewish authorities concerning the Communist Revolution.

In the January 1928 issue of CENTURY MAGAZINE, the eminent Jewish author Marcus Eli Ravage said: "We Jews are at the bottom of nearly all your wars; not only of the Russians but of all the other major revolutions in your history... We did it with the irresistible might of our spirit, with ideas and propaganda."

When Rabbi Stephen Wise, the top Rabbi in the U.S. in 1918 was asked about the Russian Revolution, he was asked his opinion of the Communist Revolution, he was reported to have said: "Some may call it Communism; but I call it Judaism!"

When I have tried to uncover the truth regarding the Jews and who Jesus really was, I have been met with "scorn and derision" on the part of Christian leaders and Bible scholars, and outright hatred on the part of the Jews. Here is a typical letter I received in April 1985, after I had published a tract titled: "EXPLODING THE CHOSEN PEOPLE MYTH!" It was hand-printed on a restaurant paper napkin. It will give you a faint idea of how the Jews hate anyone with "guts" enough to expose them.

"You dog, snake, wolf, dragon - you antichrist. Cursed be your soul and that of your followers. An ass has more understanding than you. May the spirit of disease be upon you as you read these words - MECHNASES - the spirit of death enter into you. May your eyes be blind, and your flesh melt in the flames of hell's fire. May your wife turn into a frog; your daughter into a dog, and your son into a hog. DIE, YOU DEVIL!" The signature was in Yiddish.

So as we seek the truth about the true ancestry of Jesus Christ, our Savior and King, we must of necessity first determine who the Jews really are and where they came from. We will use both the Bible and history in our search for the truth.

THE ORIGINS OF THE JEWS
Was Abraham a Jew?

It has often been stated from the pulpits of Christian churches, that Abraham was the first Jew. The Bible, however, never calls Abraham by that term and for a good reason. The word JEW is merely the modern English contraction for the word JUDAHITE or JUDEAN. Thus the question is not really whether Abraham was a Jew or not; but rather WAS ABRAHAM A JUDAHITE! That is, was Abraham of the tribe of Judah? Obviously he could not be, since he preceded the tribe of Judah by three generations.

Abraham was a Semite (that is a descendant of Shem), and he was also a Hebrew (a descendant of Eber or Heber). But to say that he was a JUDAHITE is to say that he descended from his own great-grandson! Which is impossible!

The descendants of Judah (Hebrew YEHUDAH) were known as YEHUDIM, which merely means JUDAHITE. The New Testament, which was written in Greek, uses the term IOUDAII, which again translated out to mean JUDEAN.

It becomes somewhat confusing, when almost all the modern Bible translations use the term JEW instead of JUDAHITE. But once you learn to place the word JUDAHITE OR JUDEAN, where the word JEW is found, then the clear distinctions between Hebrews, Israelites and Jews will become clarified.

The Bible uses the term JUDAHITE in three distinct ways:

1) One who is of the tribe of Judah in a racial sense;

2) One who is a citizen of the southern nation of Judah, including the Tribes of Benjamin and most of the Tribe of Levi; it will even include Canaanites and Edomites who are citizens of Judah; and,

3) One who is a follower of the religion of JUDAH as given by Moses and the prophets. (This usage is found in Esther 8:17 and Romans 2:28, 29).

THE EDOMITE CONNECTION
(Genesis 36:19)

The nation of Judah, comprising the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, were conquered and deported to Babylon about 600 years before the birth of Christ. After a 70-year captivity, less than 50,000 returned to rebuild Jerusalem under Ezra and Nehemiah. Both of these JUDAHITE leaders had a difficult time keeping the JUDAHITES from inter-marrying with the heathen who had settled in Palestine after their deportation. These godly men had tried to institute reforms to cleanse both the people and the priests from these unlawful marriage relationships. (Ezra 2:62; 9:1, 2; Nehemiah 7:64; 12:23-30.)

About 150 years later, when Alexander the Great conquered the known world and set up his Greek Empire, the Greek language became dominant in the world and it was not long before the Hebrew word YEHUDAH (Judahite) was replaced by the Greek word IOUDAIOI, which also meant JUDEAN. This is why the New Testament, which was written in Greek speaks of JUDAHITES, instead of Jews, since both words have the same meaning.

Between the time of Nehemiah and Christ, the problem with inter-marriage increased. The climax of the problem came about 150 B.C., when the JUDEAN, John Hyrcanus, conquered the heathen cities of Palestine and forced the Canaan ites to become JUDEANS (Jews). Josephus, the Judean historian, writing about 95 A.D. said:

"Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idume (Edom) and subdued all the Idumeans (Edomites); and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would be circumcised and make use of the laws of the Judeans; they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and the rest of the Judean ways of living; at which time - - . they were hereafter no other than Judeans." (ANTIQUITY OF THE JEWS, Book 13, Ch. 9, Par. 1).

A footnote in Josephus' book quotes from Ammonius, an ancient grammarian who said: "The Judeans were such by nature from the beginning, whilst the Idumeans were not Judeans from the beginning, but Phonecians and Syrians; by being subdued by the Judeans and compelled to be circumcised, and to unite into one nation, they were subject to the same laws and became known as Judeans."

This all took place before the time of Christ. It becomes obvious, then that by the time of Christ, there were a great host of people living in Palestine who were Canaanites and Edomites by race, although Judeans (Jews) by religion. Even the ruling dynasty of the Herod's were Edomites and Herod the Great, was an ldumean, that is a "half-Jew," (mongrel).

The JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDlA, 1925 edition, Vol.5, p.41, states: "Edom is in modern Jewry."

The Esau-Edomite nation of Idumea ceased to exist as a separate nation at this point in history. Yet the Bible is clear that Edom will be the enemy of Israel in the latter days. (See Malachi 1:2-4). How could these prophesies be fulfilled, if there were no Edomites left in the world? There is only one nation in the world today which can prove ancestral ties with Edom and the so-called Jews themselves claim this dubious distinction.

The Jews have adopted the materialistic anti-God attitude that characterized the father of the Edomites, Esau. As a judgment for their sins, including the murder of God's Son, Jesus Christ, God cast them out of Palestine in 70 A.D. when the Roman General Titus destroyed Jerusalem. The JUDEANS (Jews) fled to North Africa and Spain. We find this account in THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S ENCYCLOPEDIA, 1954, p.15-492, under the heading THE JEWS.

"Following their dispersal many spread across North Africa to Spain and during this movement converted many Berber tribes to Judaism. (It might be well here, to recall the word of Jesus to the Pharisees in Matthew 23:15, when He said to the scribes and Pharisees: ". . . ye compass (go over) sea and land to make one proselyte (convert), and when he is made, ye make him two-fold a child of hell than yourselves."

(Maybe this is why the North Africans had such a hatred for the Christian Spaniards) That portion which moved into Spain and later northward became quite wealthy and gained considerable prestige. (Yes, indeed, several Cardinals of the Catholic Church and several Popes were Jews.) These became known as SEPHARDIM JEWS.

Today, there are two main branches of these people we call Jews. The Sephardim Jews of Western Europe and the Ash ken azi Jews of Eastern Europe. In all honesty, we can say that modern SEPHARDIM Jewry is a mixture of Judean blood with that of Edom, Syria, Canaan, Phonecia and North Africa.

THE ASHKENAZIM

If one studies the origins of this branch of European world Jewry, we must allow historians to tell us the story. The history of this branch of Jewry is almost unknown in the Christian world, although there are more than 320 books in the New York library alone, which deal with this history - in addition to the JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA.

In the year 740 A.D. the Khazar kingdom in Eastern Europe officially converted to JUDAISM. A century later, they were crushed by the incoming Slavic people and were scattered over Central Europe where they became known as Jews. It is from this group that most of the German and Polish Jews came and they make up the predominance of Jewish people found in America. The term Ashkenazim is applied to this round-headed, dark-complected division of Jewry. (From THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S ENCYCLOPEDIA, p.15-492).

In the early 1960's the Sephardim numbered about 500,000, while the Ashkenazim totaled over 12-million. Thus, the word Jew, is practically synonymous with Ashkenazim, according to Arthur Kosetler in his book THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, p.181.

That the Khazars are lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a historical fact, even though many Christian ministers and Bible scholars refuse to accept this fact.

The Kazars or "Chazars" as they are sometimes called, were of Turkish origin and their history from the very beginning is woven into the history of the Jews of Russia. (JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, 3rd Edition, 1925.)

Who were the Khazars and from whence did they come? Again we will let Jewish historians from the NEW JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, 1962, answer this.

They were a Mongolian people who embraced Judaism and flourished from the 8th through the 10th century A.D. in the territory extending between the Don and Volga Rivers, and along the shores of the Black, Caspian, and Azov Seas. The Jewish statesman Hasdai ibn Shaprut of Cordoba, in the 10th century, wrote a letter to King Joseph of the Khazars, in which he gave a detailed account of this conversion.

For the sake of interest, it should be mentioned that the Ashkenaz of the Bible refers to a people living somewhere in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat and Armenia. The name occurs in Genesis 10:3 and 1 Chronicles 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was the son of Japheth. Ashkenaz was also the brother of Togarmah and a nephew of Magog, whom the Khazars claimed as their ancestor.

Strictly speaking, these Ashkenaz Jews are misnamed, since their ancestor was not Ash kenaz, but his brother. This makes little difference, as long as we recognize that at least 90% of world Jewry comes from this background and is of Togarmah rather than Israel.

GOG AND MAGOG IN MODERN JEWRY

As Arthur Koestler pointed out, Togarmah was a nephew of Magog and here is where the plot begins to thicken, since students of Bible prophecy will recognize this name as an enemy of Israel in Ezekiel 38 and 39. The identification of Gog and Magog with the Jewish Khazars is found on page 135 of Koestler's book, he states:

"The legend which circulated among Western Jews in the Middle Ages provided a curious parallel to the Russian 'bylinda'. To quote Poliaj again: 'The popular Jewish legend does not remember a Khazar kingdom but a kingdom of RED Jews.'

When the Khazar kingdom was finally destroyed by the Russians from the north, the Ashkenazim Jews began to disperse in-to what is now called Germany and Poland, as well as other Eastern lands. They continued to multiply until today they are the most populous branch of world Jewry by far.

The destruction of the Khazar empire and the dispersion of these Eastern Jews, brought them into contact with their fellow Judists from the West, the Sephardim. Together, they continued their anti-Christian activity, mainly through their practice of usury, until finally the Christian nations of Europe (who were the true Israelite people) began to banish them.

As they left these countries, they took their usurious practices with them and the European Renaissance began. Koestler quotes Cecil Roth, a Jewish historian, as writing: "In a sense, the Jewish Dark Ages may be said to be the beginning of the Renaissance," (p.178). Thus, we see the blessing of God fall on these Christian nations, as they expelled His enemies of Edom, Gog and Magog. These nations were blessed, not cursed, as our pastors said they would be.

However, the tide began to turn when these Khazar-Jews of Gog and Magog finally succeeded in overthrowing the Russians in what became known as the Communist Revolution. This was carried out with the help of the great Jewish banking houses in Western Europe and America. The Jewish banker, Jacob Schiff, from New York, gave over $20-million dollars to make this revolution a success and many of the communist leaders came from a group of Jews from the lower East side in New York City, who were exported to Russia with Leon Trotsky for that very purpose.

Thus, we see the rise of Togarmah, Ashkenaz, Gog, Magog, Meshech (the ancient name of Moscow), Gomer, and Tubal (the ancient name of Tublosk) as prophesied in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Today prophecy is unfolding before our eyes, yet most Christians fail to understand it, because they fail to see who the Jews really are and what their place is in God's final plans for this age. As long as the racial origin of the Jews remain hidden from the Christian world, so long will we fail to understand Bible prophesy.

The Soviet Khazar-Jews of Gog, Magog, and Togarmah have already invaded Palestine and stolen it from the Arabs, just as Ezekiel promised. Every one of the Israeli leaders from the start have been Ashkenazim Jews. The Arabs for the most part, understand that the vast majority of Jews entering Palestine are from this heathen source and have absolutely no claim to this land. They have difficulty understanding why American Christians are supporting these anti-Christs. The Khazars have been the traditional enemies of the Arab people since the Middle Ages, and they recognize the true nature of this Ashkenazim invasion.

The Jews who now control the Soviet government have tried to cover their historic tracks in order to prevent Christians in the West from stopping support for Jewish Zionism. They know, that without the support of Christians, their entire bandit venture would soon collapse. So they have taken great pains to convince the Christian West that the Soviet Union is no longer controlled by Jews, after they ruled for a few years. This is not the case however. In spite of the Jewish demonstrations we see in Moscow, emphasizing the plight of the "downtrodden Jews", so that the government would be "forced" into allowing Jews to leave Russia, is it not strange that similar demonstrations by Christians have never been mentioned in the Jew controlled press of America? Does it not seem strange to you that Christians are very seldom allowed to leave? Is it not strange that Jews are the only class in Russia who are privileged enough to leave at all? Does it not seem strange that the only class of millionaires in the Soviet Union, is found among the Jewish community who live in luxury in the Black Sea resort areas? As of 1983 twenty out of the top twenty-three members of the ruling Politburo were Jews, with Jews holding down every top position in the Soviet military and National Police Force. But this persecution of the "lesser brethren", as they are called in the PROTOCOLS, their plans are clearly spelled out in the Zionist blueprint for world control. This can be seen in historical action, when in 1948, two ships loaded with Jewish refugees were sunk with the loss of all lives. The British government was blamed by the Zionists, until years later it was discovered the ships had been sunk by MOSSAD action. Today, all over the world, and in the United States in particular, Jews are terrorized by the strong arm boys of the Jewish MOSSAD and the JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE, which was formed, not to protect Jews from anti-Semitism, but to keep Jews in line with Zionist aims.

For documentation with names, places, dates, and pictures of Communist Jews who took over in Russia, see the book BEHIND COMMUNISM, by Frank Britton. This is one of the books which has been banned by the Canadian Government as "hate literature."

Yet, in spite of all the Jewish cries to the contrary, top Jewish leaders, from the beginning, have bragged about the Jewish influence that made the Communist Revolution a success. On September 10, 1920, the following excerpt appeared in THE AMERICAN HEBREW, the most influential Jewish newspaper in America:

"The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal was to create a new world order. What happened in Russia, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality over all the world." (UNQ.)

The Maccabean, the leading Jewish organ in New York, as far back as 1905 stated that the Russian Jews were planning a "Jewish revolution" in Russia and in 1917, a M. Hermalin, from New York City said: "The Russian Revolution was made by Jews. We have created secret societies and planned the Reign of Terror. The Revolution succeeded because of our convincing propaganda, and our mass assassinations in order to form a government which is truly ours." (UNQ.)

When a Christian wonders why Jewish leaders would be willing to sacrifice thousands of their own people to accomplish their goal of world domination, they should read Article II, par. 5, of their PROTOCOL, written prior to 1900, it says:

"Through the Press we have gained the power to influence, while remaining ourselves in the shade; thanks to the Press, we have the gold of the world in our hands and notwithstanding that we have had to gather it out of oceans of tears and blood. But it has paid us, though we have sacrificed many of our~ own people. Every victim on our side is worth, in the sight of God, a thousand goyim (non-Jew animal)."

THE STRUGGLE FOR THE BIRTHRIGHT!

What is it today, that the Jews seek to hide from Christians? This question goes much deeper than the Jewish identification with Edom. The implication goes back to the history of the feud between Jacob and Esau over the birthright, and who the Chosen People of God really are.

As most of you will remember, Jacob and Esau were the twin sons of Isaac, who had been named Israel by God. In Genesis 25, we are told that the two boys struggled in their mother's womb, even before they v"ere born. (Gen. 25:22). Esau, being the firstborn, was supposed to have received the "birthright" blessings. However, God rejected Esau even before he was born. Romans 9:11 tells us: "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth;) It was said of her, (Rebecca) the elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I (God) loved, but Esau have I hated."

Because of his love for material things, Esau sold his birthright to his brother Jacob for a mess of "red beans and rice," as we would say down south. (Gen. 25:29-34.)

Esau became angry over this turn of events - angry at his father Isaac and Jacob's God (Jesus Christ) and from that point in history to the present, Esau has struggled to regain this lost birthright. The "children of Esau" want more than anything else to be regarded as the "Chosen People", and if God will not choose them and bless them, then they will choose themselves. They have done a good job of selling this fictitious position to most of the Christian world. (Read Malachi 1:2-4).

Revelation 16-18 tells us about a "great whore that sitteth upon many waters". This is a picture of the False Bride of Jesus Christ, who even now is trying to usurp the rulership of this world - the inheritance that Jacob received that day when his brother sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. If you notice, this woman rides on the RED beast of RED communism. She is said to be drunken with the blood of saints. This beast has been said to have seven heads, which are said to be seven mountains. It is interesting to note, that though many Christian Bible scholars try and make this whore out to be the Roman Catholic church, and use as their argument that Rome sits on seven hills, Moscow is also built on seven hills. This woman is that great city that ruleth over the kings of the earth. While the Catholic church has a lot of power in this world, she does not rule over all the world, as International Zionism now does. They control every important country in the world, Communist and non-Communist, through their International Banking system of Babylonian usury.

This city spoken of in Revelation is the counterfeit, "New Jerusalem", which God was to set up at the end of time to rule all nations. The Edomite Jews have set up this false city in order to fool Christians into thinking that they (the Jews) are God's chosen people, the holders of the birthright of Abraham. They have done this through careful planning, by calling themselves Judeans, and their plans of world Zionism. They are the Jews our risen Savior spoke about in Revelation 2:9; 3:9 when He said: "Those which call themselves Jews (JUDEANS) and are not, but are of the Synagogue of Satan." (When was the last time you heard your pastor preach on this text? Probably never.)

They have succeeded in gaining a great deal of support from "brainwashed" Christians, who have been deceived as to their true history.

Thus, we can see the tremendous importance of discovering the true origin of these people we call JEWS. If Christians had known that modern day JEWS were of Edom, Gog, Magog and Togarmah, they would never have been tricked into supporting the antichrist and beasts described in the book of Revelation. But as the Apostle so clearly showed in 2 Thessalonians 2:10 and 11, because they refuse to accept the truth, "for this cause, God did send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. That they might all be damned (judged) who believe not the truth, and have pleasure in unrighteousness." My how that describes modern, pleasure loving church members.

JEWISH ZIONISM PROPHESIED IN THE BIBLE

Jesus told a parable in Luke 10 of "a certain nobleman" who was to leave and return. (Of course we know he was referring to His going to heaven and later returning). He gave his SERVANTS money with instructions to increase it in His absence. Verse 14, however, tells of another class of people who were not His servants: "But His CITIZENS hated Him and sent a message after Him, saying, we will not have this man to reign over us."

These CITIZENS, were the JEWS of Christ's day. They were citizens of the remains of Christ's Kingdom on earth. At the return of the nobleman (Christ), He gave each servant what he deserved. However, verse 27 says: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I reign over them, BRING HITHER, and slay them before me." In other words, bring them back to Jerusalem and execute them! It was necessary that they be brought back to the place where they had committed their crime, in order that they could be judged legally and properly. We have similar laws on our law books, where the criminal must be tried in the county were the crime was committed. So we can see that Jesus was actually prophesying the Jews return to Palestine - NOT to inherit the kingdom, as they desire, but to be judged for their refusal to let Christ rule over them. Remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees in Matthew 21:42 and 43 - "Jesus saith unto them (Pharisees), did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner, this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes? Therefore, I say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you (because they would allow Him to rule over them), and given to a nation (notice, not a "church" but a nation) bringing forth the fruits thereof."

In Malachi chapter one, the prophet reveals the activities of the Edomites in the latter days in reference to their false Zionism:

1) The burden of the word of the Lord to ISRAEL by Malachi.
2) I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye (Israel) say, wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau (Edom) Jacob's brother? saith the Lord; yet I loved Jacob.
3) And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4) Whereas Edom saith, we are impoverished, but we will return and rebuild the desolate places: thus saith the Lord of hosts, they (Edom) shall build, but I will throw down; and they (Israel) shall call them (Edom) the border of wickedness, and the people against whom the Lord hath indignation forever."

We can see from this passage, that God had laid Esau's mountain (nation) and heritage waste and had given the birthright to Jacob (Israel). But Esau rebelled against God and vowed to return to Palestine and rebuild. God's verdict is that He will allow the Edomites to rebuild for a season, but eventually He would "throw down" that which they have built.

A year or so ago, when I was in Canada, I saw a most interesting full page advertisement in a Canadian newspaper. It was signed by 27 orthodox Jewish rabbis from Canada and the United States. It was a warning in essence, to the Jewish people, that the Israelis now in Palestine, were not the true return to the Holy Land and that because they were trying to return through military force, God would destroy them. It was a warning to Jews, not to support false Israel in Palestine.

God has said that at the time when this destruction takes place, the Edomites (JEWS) would be known as "the border of wickedness," and would be called "the people against whom the Lord hath indignation (anger) forever." They would no longer be known as God's Chosen people, but as the accursed people of Edom, those who absolutely refuse to have the God of Jacob rule over them, those who hate the God who took the birthright from their father Esau, thousands of years ago. They will never forgive Jesus Christ for doing this to them, and they would rather die than acknowledge Him as their King. This is why Jesus told their leaders in Matthew 21:43, that the kingdom would be taken from them and given to another.

For a further understanding regarding the identity of that nation who was to inherit God's Kingdom, I would suggest reading HEIRS OF THE PROMISE, ABRAHAM'S CHILDREN, available from LORD'S COVENANT CHURCH, America's Promise Ministries, P.O. Box 157, Sandpoint, Idaho 83864

Another Old Testament prophet who speaks of Edom in the latter days is Ezekiel. Chapters 35 and 36 speak about the bloody characteristics of the Edomites (35:5, 6), their envy and hatred of Jacob for being chosen of God (35:5,11) and their burning desire to possess Palestine.

"Because thou (Edom) hast said, these two nations (Israel and Judah) and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the Lord was there (35:10).

"Thus, saith the Lord: Because the enemy (Edom) hath said against you (Israel), Aha, even the ancient high places (centers of Baal worship) are ours in possession (36:2):

"Therefore thus saith the Lord God; surely in the fire of My jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea (Edom), which have appointed My land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey (36:5)."

Notice that Edom's motivation (36:2) in possessing Palestine, is not so that they may worship God, but that they may "possess the ancient high places," which were the hills on which the groves of Baal worship were located. These were the holy places of the Edomites and Canaanites, whose national religion was the worship of Baal. The Edomite Jews covet Palestine in order to repossess the ancient sites of their Baal worship. Do you remember how a few years ago, how Dr. Bailey Smith, President of the Southern Baptists said: "God does not hear the prayers of the Jew?" He was absolutely correct. It would be blasphemy for God to hear the unrepentant worshipers of Baal or any other false religion.

The book of Obediah deals entirely with this conflict between Jacob and Esau. Verses 18,19 and 21 conclude this book with the following proclamation by God Almighty YAHWEH Himself:

18) And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau (Edom) for stubble; and they (Israel) shall kindle in them, and devour them (Edom); and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

19) And they of the south (Judah) shall possess the amount of Esau, and they of the plain (Israel) the Philistines; and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.

21) And saviors shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount (nation) of Esau, and the kingdom shall be YAHWEH's (the Lord's)."

Thank God for this great promise, ye Israelites. For the evil designs of the Edomite Jews and their confederates of Gog, Magog and Togarmah, shall not succeed. Their bloody scheme for a world wide RED kingdom of Communism shall not prevail. The Messianic Age shall not be ruled by Esau's (Edom's) Messiah, but by that of Jacob, the Lord Jesus Christ, YASHUAH is His name. The great whore shall be exposed as the imposter and all the world shall recognize the true Bride of Christ, which shall be given her rightful place in the kingdom, for God has chosen her. MARANATHA!

NOTICE: The first part of this article was sent to me years ago by an anonymous author. I rather suspect it may have been written originally by Pastor Sheldon Emry, since it is certainly written in his style. I do not take credit for writing it.

The second part WAS JESUS A JEW? will be from the works of Nord Davis, Jr., with some ideas of my own added, as taken from his STAR WARS 3.

WHO ARE THE JEWS?
Part 2 of 2
by Brig. Gen. Gordon "Jack" Mohr, C.P.D.L.
(With excerpts from Nord Davis, Jr., STAR WARS)

"But ye (Jews) believe not, because ye are not of My (Christ's) sheep . . ." - Matthew 10:26

Was Jesus a Jew?
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=7336.

synergy777

13-03-2009, 04:23 PM

good thread.

i think the original egyptains are african.

could anyone help me to find out what nubia/sudan and ethiopia/somalia/kenya were in relation to egypt. as nubia has wonderful pyramids

also who where the hyksos/shepard kings, where these the indians/arabs that invaded egypt?

also in isis unveiled by madame blavatsky, she states that indians were hybridized ethiopians, eg india was populated by africans, eg todays dravidians etc. this would make sense as us indians are closely related to africans, this also goes for sri lankans and aboriginies. she stated that the indians/ethiopians started in africa, populated india, then travelled back into egypt via the northern route eg modern day afghanistan/iran/iraq(babylon/sumeria) then onto egypt.

numerous migrations from india to africa have occurred throughout time, the hyksos and romany/gypsy migrations are solid proof of this.

madame blavatsky also stated that punjabis are hybridized ethiopians. as i am punjabi, i am interestered in the history of india and our african connections. the name yehudi/judah also has connections to india/afghanistan.

also the similarities between the nazarite vows and sikh vows.

would appreaciate any info/pdf's/links etc.

meksar

17-03-2009, 01:01 AM

honey_beez

17-03-2009, 01:20 PM

Blackroots Science, download it!!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12849822/Blackroots-Science-Updated-Sept-19-2008

lightgiver

30-03-2009, 02:48 AM

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5572/barackhenatenrenaissanc.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=barackhenatenrenaissanc.jpg)

Go to link Post 1 and watch 2nd Video,they are all good,but the 2nd one will give you more idea about the Hebrew (druid)Israelites.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=893857#post893857

honey_beez

30-03-2009, 12:54 PM

mountain

30-03-2009, 03:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucRl8g2IdGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCojpoDBz7c&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEaTEMQxhHU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFqlOENkFKI&feature=channel_page

Interesting.

A few friends have mine mentioned this awhile back, several years ago. If Jesus did exists, he is often described as being brown with wooly hair so..

lightgiver

30-03-2009, 11:40 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=881952&postcount=136

I recommend you download and read those books.;)

Hey honeybeez,:)

well thankyou;)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59478

check out thread.

and mountain your friends are correct BTW.

meksar

31-03-2009, 01:11 PM

I believe there are a few Zionist moderators on this site as i have posted various video clips which prove what i and others are saying to be correct. Unfortunately they seem to have disappeared and this tells me the Khazar's are getting more desperate than ever to continue living their false identity. I am going to post them again and if the same outcome occurs then i will be left with no doubt to the extent of Zionist infiltration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imIMQQTu13w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjWfTc1ENAA&feature=related

meksar

31-03-2009, 01:19 PM

Here are the so called Jews (Watch Conan the Barbarian if you want a taste of their true background)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ek5G6337yU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpPMyQz759k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVENJ_Urs1w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDfXvUQXJlg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_I3WAiDFGE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuhSObJ2DSk

meksar

31-03-2009, 01:27 PM

Bear in mind that the Khazar's are stealing the true Israelite's identity and this Zionist pig claims that black Americans are jealous of "Jews", how hypocritical can you get?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsX_Kmk29w8

Irv Rubin ended up in less desirable circumstances

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-79388939.html

http://www.rense.com/general31/sui.htm

meksar

31-03-2009, 01:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAA6b75eelo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZNETqeoTB0&feature=related

Of course the Khazar's publicly worship Lucifer(so did Albert Pike who was a Khazar). Why would the KKK burn crosses after their horrific murders where, they trying to tell us something?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWRjnW-7qfQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wXS8ctN24&feature=related

ohorseman

06-04-2009, 10:53 PM

meksar

08-04-2009, 10:58 PM

meksar

08-04-2009, 11:04 PM

meksar

08-04-2009, 11:05 PM

meksar

08-04-2009, 11:07 PM

meksar

08-04-2009, 11:33 PM

ohorseman

08-04-2009, 11:41 PM

I think Messiah looked more like my art here - but likely darker eyes. Many of the views expressed on this thread here are typical Afro-centric junk science and history, a racist and emotionally driven agenda.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p136/g-owen/Yeshua%20upon%20the%20TREE/Yeshua-coldeyeszoom.jpg

www.thouforsaken.blogspot.com

I could offer strong proof that Israelites at the time of Messiah were NOT black. It would be a waste of time because in this thread reason has been... forsaken. My evidence would But go ahead and believe what you must if it helps you feel better about what you see in the mirror - even if that involves an attempt to wish away Jewish genealogies and ancient Jewish graveyards that reach back in time before Christ. Don't expect me to participate more than I already have in your worthless dance of dung. And "no", I am not a Khazar Jew defending my lie - I am a gentile Christian pointing out your lie.

I said" ...only be buried in a landslide of the crap you call proof..."

And you clearly illustrate my point. Meksar, you post double, even triple posts. Most forums do not allow that. Guess this one does. It seems that you just want to bury the truth. You do not even respond to the truth. Indeed there are Jewish genealogies that trace Jewish families back before Christ, as well as ancient Jewish cemeteries. What you do is foolish. You may be heaping curses upon yourself. In the least you show ignorance.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p136/g-owen/Jesusweptpencilblackwhitedigitalpai.jpg

I guess the wicked white man that replaced the Jews also impersonates the Arabs and other peoples of the Middle East, so as to cover his tracks and make the world believe that he is the Jew rather than the Black man.

Dude, you have an identity crisis of the worst kind. Black folk should be proud of their accomplishments and stand on their own. It is the only way to get real, I said... real ...respect.

meksar

09-04-2009, 12:23 AM

Well if the proof i have put forward is crap why does it seem to disappear regularly, obviously there are people who don't want this information to come out. Bottom line is that the days of deception are over and if you view the information and connect the dots then it becomes obvious. If your a Catholic or a Khazar then i would not expect any better of you, as these are the main culprits behind this farce.

Here is the fake image of Yahawahshi
http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Cesareborgia.jpg

Here is David Mayer De Rothschild
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/images/july2007/090707rothschild.jpg

The Devil's greatest trick was to convince everyone he did not exist

lightgiver

09-04-2009, 12:57 AM

Cesare Borgia trick ain't working anymore, i spit on that image every time i see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzSTDlEn1bs&feature=PlayList&p=E83C851C1F6D9005&index=0&playnext=1

well so much for love thy neighbour.They(in the vid) are not really preaching anything that Jesus taught:confused:

meksar

09-04-2009, 01:21 AM

well so much for love thy neighbour.They(in the vid) are not really preaching anything that Jesus taught:confused:

These guy's are full of frustration because the effect of oppression and deception against their people. I believe he is wrong to label all white people as the devil, but there can be no doubt the white elite are not of god. Yahawahshi was a humble man who could see a spiritual bond in all of humanity, and many have misinterpreted his teachings. But as always take what you like and leave the rest.

lightgiver

09-04-2009, 09:24 PM

These guy's are full of frustration because the effect of oppression and deception against their people. I believe he is wrong to label all white people as the devil, but there can be no doubt the white elite are not of god. Yahawahshi was a humble man who could see a spiritual bond in all of humanity, and many have misinterpreted his teachings. But as always take what you like and leave the rest.

Hey we are all frustrated,but that gives no excuse to behave like the oppressors,otherwise you end up just like them,you would get the message across easier if said in a different tone,not that I am against passion, but saying spit upon things and being full of venom does not help the cause,IMO,and I am not leaving anything out,I am aware where you are coming from.

We have all been abused oppressed and deceived regardless of skin colour and religion.

meksar

09-04-2009, 10:32 PM

Yes but none have been oppressed to the scale which black/indigenous people have, this is because the ancient Jewish and Egyptian knowledge has been stolen by the white elite as it is the foundation for their knowledge. White people like the Irish and Italians have been oppressed more than the rest of the white race because they are related to the Moors(who were Israelites under Islamic philosophy). For example in Rome they see the southern Italians in places like Sicily as pheasants, this is also why the British establishment have been putting the Irish through hell since the potato famine to the manipulated civil wars.

Then you look at India where the caste system makes dark skinned Indians inferior to the lighter skinned ones. All of this in my opinion is down to jealously because of the fact that melanin brings out the God/Goddess factor in people. Also the thing that really pisses people off is that white professors claim blacks were primitive, whilst in reality the evidence completely points the other way. The people who the masses believe are Jews were nothing but demonic cave dwellers, who decided to clean up their act by adopting the tribe of Judah ways and beliefs. Once the Vatican had deceived the Arabs into overthrowing Jerusalem, the false Jews joined in with the Babylonian Paganism.

lightgiver

10-04-2009, 01:13 AM

lightgiver

11-04-2009, 01:32 AM

The Hopis called the Pleiadians the Chuhukon, meaning those who cling together. They considered themselves direct descendents of the Pleiadians. The Navajos named the Pleiades the Sparkling Suns or the Delyahey, the home of the Black God. The Iroquois pray to them for happiness. The Cree came to have come to earth from the stars in spirit form first and then became flesh and blood.;)

http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi.html

cacadores

19-05-2009, 01:48 AM

The Egyptians 3000+ years ago where caucasian, they had some African slaves aswell as Israelites.

'Caucasion' is a term used by American police to identify white European-looking people. Ancient Egyptians clearly are not white. They're dark, like, er well, Egyptians:rolleyes:.

eternal_spirit

19-05-2009, 02:01 AM

'Caucasion' is a term used by American police to identify white European-looking people. Ancient Egyptians clearly are not white. They're dark, like, er well, Egyptians:rolleyes:.
Not necesarilly black and whites and in betweens, is a common theme in many countries. Look at how pale some Arabs or Indians are compared to others who have dark skin and some have even darker skin etc. Some Indians have blue and green eyes.

The Berbers of North Africa with blue and green eyes and pale skin.

I'd say the same applies to Egypt and also the Jewish/semitic races which would also include Arabic, phoneticians and a whole load of others.
Conclusion the Israelites where a mix of different colours, or at least the region they came from originally had a mix.

eternal_spirit

19-05-2009, 02:06 AM

http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic
Ancient Semitic peoples

The following is a list of ancient Semitic peoples.

Akkadians (http://www.answers.com/topic/akkad) — appear 4th millennium BC and amalgamate (http://www.answers.com/topic/amalgamation) with non-Semitic Mesopotamian (Sumerian) populations into the Assyrians (http://www.answers.com/topic/assyrian-people) and Babylonians of the late Bronze Age[1] (http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic#wp-_note-0)[2] (http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic#wp-_note-1)

Assyrians (http://www.answers.com/topic/assyrian-people) (Aššūrāyu) — 27th century BC[3] (http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic#wp-_note-2)

Babylonians (http://www.answers.com/topic/babylonia) — 18th century BC[citation needed]

Chaldeans (http://www.answers.com/topic/chaldea) (Kaldu) — 8th to 6th c. BC[4] (http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic#wp-_note-3)[5] (http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic#wp-_note-4)

Eblaites (http://www.answers.com/topic/ebla) — 23rd century BC
Akhlames (http://www.answers.com/topic/akhlam) 14th century[6] (http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic#wp-_note-5)

Aramaeans (http://www.answers.com/topic/aramaeans) — 16th to 8th century BC[7] (http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic#wp-_note-6)[8] (http://www.answers.com/topic/semitic#wp-_note-7)

Ugarites (http://www.answers.com/topic/ugarit), 14th to 12th centuries BC
Canaanite language (http://www.answers.com/topic/canaanite-languages) speaking nations of the early Iron Age:

Amorites (http://www.answers.com/topic/amorite)
Ammonites (http://www.answers.com/topic/ammon-1)
Edomites (http://www.answers.com/topic/edom)
Hebrews (http://www.answers.com/topic/hebrew) — founded the kingdom of Israel and Judah (http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-ancient-israel-and-judah), the remnants of which became the Jews (http://www.answers.com/topic/jew)
Moabites (http://www.answers.com/topic/moab)
Phoenicians (http://www.answers.com/topic/phoenicia) — founded Mediterranean colonies including Carthage (http://www.answers.com/topic/carthage)

Old South Arabian (http://www.answers.com/topic/old-south-arabian) speaking peoples

Sabaeans (http://www.answers.com/topic/sabaean) of Yemen — 9th to 1st c. BC
Aksumites (http://www.answers.com/topic/aksumite-empire) — 4th c. BC to 7th c. AD

Arabs (http://www.answers.com/topic/arab), Old North Arabian (http://www.answers.com/topic/ancient-north-arabian) speaking Bedouins (http://www.answers.com/topic/bedouin)

Lihyanites (http://www.answers.com/topic/lihyan) — 6th to 1st c. BC
Thamud (http://www.answers.com/topic/thamud) people — 2nd to 5th c. AD
Ghassanids (http://www.answers.com/topic/ghassanids) — 3rd to 7th c. AD
Nabataeans (http://www.answers.com/topic/nabataean) — adopted Arabic in the 4th century AD

eternal_spirit

19-05-2009, 02:07 AM

BTW Egypt Today is around 94% Muslims are they all the same skin colour? No! So what makes you think it was any different in biblical times...(skin colour not religion)

eternal_spirit

20-05-2009, 12:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of1d6QfLm20

honey_beez

23-05-2009, 09:51 AM

Another good muslim rant. Accept facts Kemet was Black/Brown, if it was any other colour why did the Kemites not depict themselves that colour yet Osiris and many deities and peoples of Kemet are black/brown. As a Nubian man once said, 'They (white supremacists) cannot show me Adam and Eve but I can show them Osiris, to this day my evidence still exists' I recommend you take a trip to Kemet and take this advice - keep your eyes open and your mouth shut. And FYI skin colour plays a very significant role in spirituality! Please read up on melanin.

synergy777

26-05-2009, 01:30 PM

the hebrews of the bible to me were asiatic, it is also likely that these were held in captivity in egypt as slaves. these slaves then moved away from egypt eg moses and the exodus.

thus is also these who fell into idolatary, corruption etc. thus on one hand claiming that the hebrews were african is also a poisoned chalice. as lest be honest the hebrews, the judeans/yehudi etc were also corrupt. even king solomon fell into the occult, hence the worship of solomon by the elite/freemasons/knight templars

however thats is the biblical account.

the historical account could be that the egyptains and akhenaton/moses were driven out from egypt by the priesthood eg there was a political/religous revolution. authors like ralph ellis, clive prince support this view etc.

the fact is that egypt and judah/canaan/israel/palestine etc was an area of mixed people. as by the time jesus arrived, the jewish priesthood was mixed africans/asians/middle eastern eg turbans, beards etc. if we look at the jewish historian flavius josephus, he goes on record saying that origin of jews was india, and jerusalem was their capital.

thus to me what we have is a mixture of people/tribes, conflicting accounts of history. its a challenging subject. we must be objective.