Conversations with God - a Discussion with God

[i am all i am]

"In the spring of 1992 - it was around Easter as I recall - an extraordinary phenomenon occured in my life. God began talking with you. Through me.

Let me explain.

I was very unhappy during that period, personally, professionally, and emotionally, and my life was feeling like a failure on all levels. As I'd been in the habit for years of writing my thoughts down in letters (which I usually never delivered), I picked up my trusty yellow legal pad and began pouring out my feelings.

This time, rather than another letter to another person I imagined to be victimizing me, I thought I'd go straight to the source; straight to the greatest victimizer of them all. I decided to write a letter to God.

It was a spiteful, passionate letter, full of confusions, contortions, and condemnations. And a pile of angry questions.

Why wasn't my life working? What would it take to get it to work? Why could I not find happiness in relationships? Was the experience of adequate money going to elude me forever? Finally - and most emphatically - What had I done to deserve a life of such continuing struggle?

To my surprise, as I scribbled out the last of my bitter, unanswerable questions and prepared to toss my pen aside, my hand remained poised over the paper, as if held there by some invisible force. Abrubtly, the pen began moving on its own. I had no idea what I was about to write, but an idea seemed to be coming, so I decided to flow with it. Out came...

Do you really want answers to all these questions, or are you just venting?"


So begins the book 'Converstions with God', by Neale Donald Walsch.

I've noticed that there are a few people on the forum that have mentioned the book, or series of books, and I decided that it would be great to have a thread to discuss the contents and our own understandings gained from reading the books of Neale Donald Walsch.

If you have read the first book, or the whole series, or only a few of them, I would like to invite you to discuss your thoughts, ideas and the ways that this series has helped you on your personal journey. Please feel free to post any experiences that you have had that relate to the books as well as any understandings that the ideas contained in the books have led you to.

The series includes...

Conversations with God I, II, III.

Friendship with God.

Communion with God.

The New Revelations.

Tomorrows God.

I have read all of these books. There are some others, like Conversations for Teens, as well as the latest release Home with God.

I look forward to discussing the ideas and concepts from the books with any and all that would like to participate. One of the messages within the books is that WE ARE ALL ONE and therefore God ourselves. So, this thread is really a Discussion with God, as that is what we all truly are.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[ho1ogram]

Great books, loved the ideas on social structures, like no compulsory taxes. I reckon a voluntary contribution would work. Look how much people give to charities and religions. It's all rubbish this idea that people aren't altruistic, it's just drummed out of us. People are always doing things because they like to, even work, and not for money which we are told is the incentive that drives progress. Just look at all the freeware stuff on the net. Not to mention voluntary work, etc.

Imagine if instead of armies we just mobilised to help out during natural disasters. I know we do that a bit already, but imagine how effective it would be if the resourrces we spent on the military were directed entirely at it, you know instead of it being side projects of the military. If people are willing to die for fear, imagine what we couold do for love.

Only bit in the trilogy that I strongly disagreed with (that I can remember) is in the second book when 'God' say's George Bush (snr) is a great man. Eeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!! I put that comment down to either psychic interference from the Illuminati or Neale's own bias at the time. In one of the books 'God' warns that a world government could be misused against the people. Didn't really push that bit too hard, but the books I suppose were mostly focusing on what we can do, rather than what coould go wrong.

The pages about sex are great too.

After saying all that, I'm now gooing to qualify what I have said by saying that I think some of it could be disinfo sort of stuff. Maybe not intentionally but, maybe too tainted by Neale's human biases. After reading the predator of man thread I'm reavaluating some of my ideas. Could be a case of great books for where I was at the time, but now maybe I'm replacing sonme of the ideas in CoG with some new ones. Which is actually an argument in the books; that we should constantly reavluate who we are based on new information as it comes to light.

Anyway, great trilogy. I was wondeering when someone would start a thread about them.
Cheers, man,
ho11ypop...

[i am all i am]

G'day Ho1ogram,

I understand where you are coming from. I definitely feel that Neale's 'filter' is clogged, especially after I spoke to him at Adyar bookstore in Sydney. All you have to do is look at his website to realise this as well. Although I would say that the 'message' is there, even if the 'messenger' isn't. I remember one part where God says something like, 'If you see the Buddha walking down the street, run the other way'. It's saying if someone is allowing everyone around them to treat them so special that they stand out, then they aren't that special, they are a fraud. It reminds me of the way Neale is. You definitely have to read 'between the lines' with some of it and come up with your own ideas.

The idea with the military is great. You could call it W.O.W., the World Outreach Workers. No guns, but all the resources of the military being utilised for the benefit of all mankind. The positive version of 'Team America'.

Personally I think that 'Communion with God' is a pearler (that may be to Aussie for some, translation=brilliant,superb). The 10 illusions of humanity make so much sense, exactly like the four control dramas in 'The Celestine Prophecy'.

They are still one (series) of the books that I recommend for people. It eases them into new ideas gently (although not for some, especially christians). Once they've opened up a bit you can 'throw them in the deep end' and give them some Icke to read or a dvd to watch.

Thanks for your reply Ho1ogram.


With TRUTH / LOVE / JOY.
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WE ARE ALL ONE.

[2013]

Hi great idea for a post , never read the books myself but know lots of friends who have .I think knowledge comes to us when we are ready for it , lots of htese books have similar ideas etc and usually if we are aware enogh to read or recieve info then we usually get it from one source or another .Just wanted to say that there is a movie out of same name based on his life up to the point of having the book published .Like the celestine prophecy movie and the peaceful warrior movie there has been little or no publicity for them .The yare not even out in the uk yet despite being relesaed in cinemas in the u.s last year .the spirtual cinema circle i think it is provides films of these type in america or maybeyou could find them online worth a look to see .:D

[i am all i am]

Hi great idea for a post , never read the books myself but know lots of friends who have .I think knowledge comes to us when we are ready for it , lots of htese books have similar ideas etc and usually if we are aware enogh to read or recieve info then we usually get it from one source or another .Just wanted to say that there is a movie out of same name based on his life up to the point of having the book published .Like the celestine prophecy movie and the peaceful warrior movie there has been little or no publicity for them .The yare not even out in the uk yet despite being relesaed in cinemas in the u.s last year .the spirtual cinema circle i think it is provides films of these type in america or maybeyou could find them online worth a look to see .:D

Thanks for joining the discussion 2013.

Neale did a big tour around the U.S. promoting the film. I'm not personally interested in that film, althugh 'The Celestine Prophecy' film I would love to see. The cinema circle is promoted on Neale's website. The books are definitely worth reading though and I recommend them.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[ho1ogram]

Hi great idea for a post , never read the books myself but know lots of friends who have .I think knowledge comes to us when we are ready for it , lots of htese books have similar ideas etc and usually if we are aware enogh to read or recieve info then we usually get it from one source or another .
Here, here.

That's interesting what you said about Neale i am all i am (do you like the band 'You am I'?). I always wondered, cos years ago I saw he was speaking at the tennis centre in Melbourne and charging a lot of money. I know people like to earn a buck but it's kind of like he missed the nut of the conversation. It seemed strange after reading his books. Oh well, his choice I suppose. I haven't read the communion book. I started to read the New Revelations but it was just a rehash of the trilogy I thought. I think he felt he needed to put something out there for all the middle class new age searchers after 9/11. Maybe...

I picked up Celestine Prophesy years ago when it was all the rage but couldn't get past the first page. If I see it again I'll take another look at it, as what you have shared about your life has inspired me and the book seems to have struck a chord with you judging by your posts.
Cheers.

[i am all i am]

Here, here.

That's interesting what you said about Neale i am all i am (do you like the band 'You am I'?). I always wondered, cos years ago I saw he was speaking at the tennis centre in Melbourne and charging a lot of money. I know people like to earn a buck but it's kind of like he missed the nut of the conversation. It seemed strange after reading his books. Oh well, his choice I suppose. I haven't read the communion book. I started to read the New Revelations but it was just a rehash of the trilogy I thought. I think he felt he needed to put something out there for all the middle class new age searchers after 9/11. Maybe...

I picked up Celestine Prophesy years ago when it was all the rage but couldn't get past the first page. If I see it again I'll take another look at it, as what you have shared about your life has inspired me and the book seems to have struck a chord with you judging by your posts.
Cheers.

I met Neale at Adyar bookstore in Sydney. I was sitting outside the store having a smoke (chop-chop straight from the farm) when he arrived with a small entourage. It was funny because he kept making eye contact with me. He'd look away and then look back, look away and look back again. Anyway, the shop was packed and Thom Hartmann was speaking first, and he went inside. I followed shortly after and sqeezed past where he was standing in the crowd to stand with a mate at the counter of the shop. After about 30 seconds, Neale walked over to stand just in front of me. This guy came up to him and asked him for an autograph. He said no as Thom was speaking and he would have to sign them for everyone then and interrupt Thom in the process, he would sign autographs at the end of his speech. The guy was cool and walked away. Of course I'm thinking that it was a bit conceited to think that everyone was going to stop listening to Thom and rush Neale for his autograph, so I said, "The price of fame.". To me it meant Fear As Monetary Energy. Neale replied, "A price I'm willing to pay.", after he had turned around with this smarmy smile on his face. Obviously he didn't pay because he didn't give the guy his autograph. After he finished his speech and had signed his autograph for everyone, I purposely waited 'til there was no-one left, I approached him. He was sitting on the edge of a stool as I walked up to him and he looked straight at me. I was carrying a 20cm Rose quartz crystal sphere, and as I stood in front of him I said that I was thankful that he had released the books and would like to give him the crystal as it represented unconditional love. With both hands he reached out to grab the crystal while he sadi, "I can't tale that.". Which is true ironically, because I was 'giving it', he couldn't 'take it'. Anyway, I told him that I knew how to heal the world by raising the concious level and asked (using the word please of course) if we could have a half an hour conversation. Well, his eye contact went all over the shop as he offered excuse after excuse, until he finally said that as he was doing a weekend workshop, I should come along and talk to him there. Of course this would cost (I think) around $800-00 for the workshop. I told him that I was living in the back of a van and he started to get a bit flustered, and then his entourage interrupted, saying that he had to go. So, no conversation.

I still LOVE the information within the books, but Neale is definitely not an example of the information in my personal experience.

'The Celestine Prophecy' is brilliant. Pretty much a must read (although I believe that you don't 'have' to do anything). I know some people don't like the storyline, but it is well worth the read.

'Communion with God' leaves Neales questions out. It's God talking all the way through, without Neale interrupting. Worth it for that fact alone, but it does have great insights as well.

I was in England for four years, so I sort of missed out on hearing a lot of music, especially Australian music. Unless you count the radio playing 'Your the voice' a couple of times a day. I haven't listened to You am I, so I can't really make any comments as to whether I like them or not. It's rock'n'roll, so I probably would.


With TRUTH / LOVE / JOY.
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WE ARE ALL ONE.

[ho1ogram]

He had an entourage? What a wanker.

That reference to you am i was a joke i am all i am. geddit? :D

Great story you is all you is :D
peace and love, h.

[i am all i am]

He had an entourage? What a wanker.

That reference to you am i was a joke i am all i am. geddit? :D

Great story you is all you is :D
peace and love, h.

Yeah, I am sure it was four people. The entourage reminded me of that Buddha passage in the book. If you remember, God also told Neale that he wouldn't 'make it' in this lifetime, that is, become infinite/eternal/immortal. He is going to require another incarnation, at least.

Thanks for the joke and pointing it out to me. I definitely should have got that one.


With TRUTH / LOVE / JOY.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

WE ARE ALL ONE.

[tru3]

Only bit in the trilogy that I strongly disagreed with (that I can remember) is in the second book when 'God' say's George Bush (snr) is a great man. Eeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!! I put that comment down to either psychic interference from the Illuminati or Neale's own bias at the time. In one of the books 'God' warns that a world government could be misused against the people. Didn't really push that bit too hard, but the books I suppose were mostly focusing on what we can do, rather than what coould go wrong.

yes, that is hard to swallow. but consider this: what if, just what if, under all this manufactured terror and p-r-s, something else is going on?

to me, what i see going on is two things under the surface that are related: the hubris of america is being laid low (i'm talking about the american people; folks, i kid you not, at one time my dream was to be my generation's h.l. menken! :D ), and at the same time, all the old tribal bullshit (i'm not talking indigenous peoples, i'm talking the twelve tribes vs. the canaanites, the sunnis vs. shiia, the ritual religious gential mutilation and systematic oppression of women, the muck and dregs of 5,000 plus years.

if you look at a high altitude photo of new orleans after katrina and phuket after the tsunami, you can't tell the difference between the two. the devastation of life is the same, the fragile nature of our physical existance identical.

maybe people just have to hit rock bottom before they wake up and focus on their common humanity and common home rather than always fighting about the ethnic and philosophic differences. i know i had my own rock bottom, and it changed my life for the better.

to me, the goddess seems very, very pissed. maybe that's just me.

"us vs. them", "man vs. nature", the split of duality has got to end, or, to quote george carlin, "mother nature will shake us off her back like a dog shaking off fleas".

remember when "god" says hitler is in heaven, and that the luciferic energy is destruction making way for the new? i believe that is also going on at the present time. to me, this echoes the phrase "man meant it for ill, but god meant it for good."

[i am all i am]

Here are a few of quotes from "God".

If I do not go within, I go without.

You are already a God, you simply do not know it.

We are all one.


With LOVE.
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[mara of the acoma]

I remember one part where God says something like, 'If you see the Buddha walking down the street, run the other way'. It's saying if someone is allowing everyone around them to treat them so special that they stand out, then they aren't that special, they are a fraud. It reminds me of the way Neale is. You definitely have to read 'between the lines' with some of it and come up with your own ideas.

Perhaps he is alluding to the Zen koan: "If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him." which means we should destroy the idea that anything outside of ourselves can be our master, that the Buddha within us is already obtained, we only need to realise it and that we must give up the master without giving up the search.

When channelling god, it stands to reason that he was going to be truly and excrutiatingly held back by the limitations of language and unfortunately god is thereby reduced to a mere concept. However I think that the book did a good job (as far as is possible when trying to describe god with words), but as with anything of it's kind it is imperative to remember that "a finger pointing at the moon is not the moon itself" and we should look within ourselves to glean the wordless truths that are contained between the lines of text. But for aiding that inner reflection I think the books are marvellous, and I lend them to anyone who'll have them.

Good thread though I Am! I'll have a flick through the books to remind myself of some of the ideas presented and come back for some more discussion when I'm done.

:)

[i am all i am]

Perhaps he is alluding to the Zen koan: "If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him." which means we should destroy the idea that anything outside of ourselves can be our master, that the Buddha within us is already obtained, we only need to realise it and that we must give up the master without giving up the search.

When channelling god, it stands to reason that he was going to be truly and excrutiatingly held back by the limitations of language and unfortunately god is thereby reduced to a mere concept. However I think that the book did a good job (as far as is possible when trying to describe god with words), but as with anything of it's kind it is imperative to remember that "a finger pointing at the moon is not the moon itself" and we should look within ourselves to glean the wordless truths that are contained between the lines of text. But for aiding that inner reflection I think the books are marvellous, and I lend them to anyone who'll have them.

Good thread though I Am! I'll have a flick through the books to remind myself of some of the ideas presented and come back for some more discussion when I'm done.

:)


Thanks for joining the discussion Mara.

I agree with what you are saying. I personally describe it as, words are a descriptive tool and not that which is decribed, they are merely our way of communicating our perspective to each other.

I look forward to discussing the message in the books with you Mara.


With LOVE.
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TRUTH / LOVE / JOY - WE ARE ALL ONE.
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[i am all i am]

WHAT WOULD LOVE DO NOW ?

THERE IS NO DESIRE,
THAT'S GREATER FOR ME,
THAN TO INSPIRE,
LOVE ETERNALLY.

FOR I HAVE BEEN GIFTED,
WITH LOVE TO SPEAK,
AND BEEN UPLIFTED,
TO KNOWLEDGE THAT I SEEK.

THIS KNOWLEDGE IS TRUE,
IT LEADS TO JOY,
A GIFT FOR ME AND YOU,
WITH LOVE TO EMPLOY.

FOR LOVE IS ALL THAT IS,
AND WILL ALWAYS SHOW YOU HOW,
WHEN YOUR QUESTION IS,
WHAT WOULD LOVE DO NOW ?



This poem is a song that I wrote. A friend and myself write together (he usually does the music and me the words, although this one was I did both). The idea is to use the understandings with music for the purposes of healing, by raising the vibrational level within those that it is played for, or for those that hear it and sing along. By singing along with it, the individual is using words as a creative tool, and are therefore creating a positive experience. If you have any comments about the poem or the idea behind it (the sponsoring thought), please feel free to respond with whatever it is that you think of either, or both. Any constructive criticism is welcomed.


With LOVE.
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TRUTH / LOVE / JOY - WE ARE ALL ONE.
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[earthseed]

Again this is channeled material and 'God' will talk about god as if it is another being throughout the series of books. So this person could have been talking to higher self at best if not something else hanging around him. I have a lot of problems with channeled material it's a phone where you don't know who's on the other line. But, if it makes you feel better I guess it was a good thing for you personally.

[2013]

it all comes from nowhere wich is NOW HERE .Whatever or wherever you take your truth or inspiration from is relevant to you , if it serves you and leads to happiness and harmony then it is for the good.Sometimes , most times actually you grow with it and beyond it , its only when people grasp an idea or concept and hold onto it as truth itself that it stagnates .All things flow and evolve truth comes in many shapes and can mirror itself .Even if there was a hidden agenda for some of these self help or channeled books ufo encounters etc it does not matter what is important is what it represents to you the individual? in divide dual hmm ! maybe that is not the best choice of word how can it contain the seeds of divide and dual when it supposedly represents one .Anyway to continue the purpose is that you learn or grow yourself from these ideas or encounters and not follow them blindly thus increasing conciousness as a whole .The system is just energy and we can choose when to give or hold back , if the system is in place what is to stop us using it in the positive .1,000 monkeys cant be wrong lol ps how do monkeys and reptiles get on i wonder ?
:D

[ho1ogram]

2013 - that was awsome!

[i am all i am]

it all comes from nowhere wich is NOW HERE .Whatever or wherever you take your truth or inspiration from is relevant to you , if it serves you and leads to happiness and harmony then it is for the good.Sometimes , most times actually you grow with it and beyond it , its only when people grasp an idea or concept and hold onto it as truth itself that it stagnates .All things flow and evolve truth comes in many shapes and can mirror itself .Even if there was a hidden agenda for some of these self help or channeled books ufo encounters etc it does not matter what is important is what it represents to you the individual? in divide dual hmm ! maybe that is not the best choice of word how can it contain the seeds of divide and dual when it supposedly represents one .Anyway to continue the purpose is that you learn or grow yourself from these ideas or encounters and not follow them blindly thus increasing conciousness as a whole .The system is just energy and we can choose when to give or hold back , if the system is in place what is to stop us using it in the positive .1,000 monkeys cant be wrong lol ps how do monkeys and reptiles get on i wonder ?
:D


G'day 2013,

Thank you for your understanding.

As 'we are all one', then what is good for the individual is good for the whole. Love is that which frees up, and as you stated, that which you hold onto stagnates, or becomes entrapped because you did not free it. This is valid for all aspects, including ideas or thoughts, because all is one, the oneness.

There is a 'kernel' of truth for you within all writing, for the oneness is within everything, and it is merely your opportunity to find it, and sometimes, you will find, not merely a 'kernel', but the whole 'cob'.

The 'system', to me, is merely a distorted re-presentation of life. It is our choice as to what we would choose to create with life, and I believe that this is what we are waking up to as a collective whole. By uniting together, as in 'The Forum Experiment', we empower ourselves to recreate our experience of life to our desire, thus expressing the LOVE that we truly are. As David Ick is fond of saying, "Infinite love is all there is...".


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i am all i am]

BELIEF IS ALL


ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS LEAD FROM YOUR BELIEF.


IF YOUR BELIEF IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, THEN YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND UNABLE TO SEE THAT WHICH YOU ARE OPPOSED TO.


YOUR BELIEF ALLOWS YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE THAT WHICH YOU BELIEVE IN HERE AND NOW WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.


THEREFORE, BELIEVING WILL ALLOW YOU TO SEE, AND THAT WHICH YOU SEE IS A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE.


TO MASTER YOURSELF, OR EXPERIENCE SELF-MASTERY, YOU WILL REQUIRE A BELIEF THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THAT IS.


THE BELIEF THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ENCOMPASS ALL THAT IS AND THEREFORE UNDERSTAND AND SEE ALL THAT IS, IS THE BELIEF THAT ALL IS POSSIBLE.


AS ALL THAT IS IS ALREADY HERE WITHIN ITS ENTIRETY, IT BECOMES YOUR CHOICE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THAT IS AND ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS.


TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS TO RECOGNISE, OR RE-COGNISE, THAT IS, ONCE AGAIN EXPERIENCE KNOWING.


TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS, IS TO ACCEPT YOUR TRUE SELF, THE INFINITE BEING THAT YOU TRULY ARE.


WHAT YOU ARE BEING, YOU EXPERIENCE, AND IT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE OF BEING YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR.


THEREFORE, WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BE WILL DETERMINE YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND ONLY THROUGH YOUR EXPERIENCE CAN YOU EXPRESS SELF-MASTERY WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.


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This is something that I wrote after contemplating some of the understandings from the books.

I would love to get some feedback, so ...........



With LOVE.
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WE ARE ALL ONE - TRUTH / LOVE / JOY
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[unicorn]

Hi I am all I am,
I love your lyrics... thanks for sharing them. Have you read James Twyman's book, Emissary of Love, really reminds me of the advice that the children from the monastery shared with James... 'if you were an emissary of love, what would you do now, how would love respond'...

With all this LOVE, the world is already becoming a better place.

WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BE WILL DETERMINE YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND ONLY THROUGH YOUR EXPERIENCE CAN YOU EXPRESS SELF-MASTERY WITHIN THE PHYSICAL Spot on!

I found Conversations with God hugely profound, it kicked my butt way out of it's comfort zone & really challenged many 'spiritual' teachings that I had resonated with previously. That we are here to learn, to clear karma, to follow a Divine destiny... were all things I thought were true, until I read the book. These beliefs, I realised after reading CWG, were crutches preventing me from living my life as fully as I do now. I found it kinda scary not having a destiny, something I used to take comfort in, but that prevented me from doing whatever I wanted incase it was 'preventing me from living my destiny'.

The title put me off for many years, & it was only after getting into the Indigo documentary which Neale is involved with that I decided to read the
1st book. Once I started reading, I couldn't put it down, it was awesome. For me it's God speaking, whatever shape or being is speaking though his hands, it has wisdom & comes from the light! God also denies being the 'one ultimate god', as there is no such thing as 'ultimate' as this realm is infinite... get your grey matter around that! :eek:

Imagine if they taught this instead of religion in schools!

What I got most from the 1st book is the meaning of life. When God says that we cannot fail, Neale replies 'if we're all gonna make it anyhow, why bother to do anything at all?' to which comes the reply... 'the only reason to ever do anything is as a statement to the Universe as to who you are'. Awesome... ;)

I'm eager to read the 3rd book, which is on the workings of the Universe, I believe... any feedback on this book please?

Regards to Bush... I totally see the book's point. For all I know, Bush could be Jesus (I know I am taking this to the extreme... quite a hobby of mine!!:p ) who has chosen to embody the dark polarity to help the light within people to be re-membered. Who's to say it isn't true, when you can bet your bottom dollar that whoever is here working for the light has had previous / simultaneous lifetimes as someone equally dark?

The books message is mis-understood if you still judge others. Sure they're evil-kinevil, but how else are people gonna re-member their light, power & Godliness without the contrast of the opposite? If you hate 'them', then you're still manifesting hate on this planet for everybody. It's only when you see the higher picture that you can appreciate the amazing gifts on this planet for everbody, which the book helped me to understand at a deeper level.

Awesome book, I only read it about 3 months ago & I have manifested a richer, more beautiful life thanks to the wisdom within it...:)

WE ARE ALL GOD... can teachings get any better than this???

[unicorn]

Conversations with God:
God: 'If you can imagine it, you can manifest it. What you fear you attract'.
The workings of the Universe, alchemy & manifesting right there in print, & all for just a few quid!!

'ave it!

[i am all i am]

Have you read James Twyman's book, Emissary of Love

No I haven't. I'll keep a look out for it. Thanks for mentioning it.

Once I started reading, I couldn't put it down, it was awesome. For me it's God speaking, whatever shape or being is speaking though his hands, it has wisdom & comes from the light! God also denies being the 'one ultimate god', as there is no such thing as 'ultimate' as this realm is infinite... get your grey matter around that!

'God' also says that he/she is the body of another, although I'm not remembering which book at the moment. It gave me the idea that we are in relation to the solar system as a single cell in our physical body is to the whole body. The individual parts of the cell would have a similar capability of awareness as we ourselves do. You could then take that a step further and imagine what it would be like to inhabit a body that every part, of every cell, was totally aware that it is God.

Maybe 'God' was the solar system and was referring to the universe as the body of the other.

Imagine if they taught this instead of religion in schools!

Yeah, this and 'The Celestine Prophecy' by James Redfield would be great.

I'm eager to read the 3rd book, which is on the workings of the Universe, I believe... any feedback on this book please?

It has some good info. on HEB's (Highly Evolved Beings). I grabbed the book and opened it up to pick out a quote for you . . .
"Your greatest vision of you is Me ! That is Who I Am !"
You'll love it. I really recommend 'Communion with God', this is awesome stuff about the 'illusions' of humanity.

Sure they're evil-kinevil, but how else are people gonna re-member their light, power & Godliness without the contrast of the opposite?

I believe that the illusion/matrix is the perfect tool for this. It is a reflection, and as such, doesn't require the opposite. Imagine standing in front of me. Your left is my right. They aren't really opposites, merely reflections. The choice to describe yourself as LOVE does not require for fear to show up, it merely requires for you to express LOVE, and this can be equally reflected from any other that is in front of you. Choice allows the possibility of fear, and that is enough for polarity to exist. I'll have a think about how to express this more concisely and clearly for you.

WE ARE ALL GOD... can teachings get any better than this???

Only one way that I know of... ALL IS ONE. Everything that ever was, is now, or ever will be is ALL THAT IS and therefore, ALL IS ONE.


With LOVE.
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TRUTH / LOVE / JOY - WE ARE ALL ONE.
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[unicorn]

I believe that the illusion/matrix is the perfect tool for this. It is a reflection, and as such, doesn't require the opposite. Imagine standing in front of me. Your left is my right. They aren't really opposites, merely reflections. The choice to describe yourself as LOVE does not require for fear to show up, it merely requires for you to express LOVE, and this can be equally reflected from any other that is in front of you. Choice allows the possibility of fear, and that is enough for polarity to exist. I'll have a think about how to express this more concisely and clearly for you.


Just coming up from the deep for some air!! :p I know what you mean... I understand that love doesn't require fear, but for some reason (unfathomable other than life in spirit is a bit boring!! joke) we've chosen to experience the opposites of everything in a realm of duality. Love doesn't require fear, but fear teaches us about love, which is why we've all chosen to incarnate into illusions of separation & disconnection, which is in itself impossible, for we are god... But I love what you say about reflection, as oppose to opposites, which fits in with All is One...

I look forward to the day that my heart is so open to love that I can over-ride the mass-consciousness of this planet & really not express any fear...

I understand Neale at the beginning of the first book so well, 'Why is there pain & suffering?' With heaven, love & light, why have anything else? I mean, who enjoys suffering... jeeeeees! Life is simple, Truth is simple, but understanding it & putting it into words can be a bit tricky...

Thanks for getting a quote from the book for me! "Your greatest vision of you is Me ! That is Who I Am !"

This actually reminds me of the 1st CWG book & is the only bit that brought up my hackles... I thought it sounded arrogant. How amazing that it should come my way again to look at!! ;)

Also hats of to James Redfield... I love Celestine Prophesy & esp. the 3rd book in the series, 'The Secrets of Shambhala - in search of the 11th insight'. (skipped the 10th one, like a previous post.. couldn't get past the first page). The Shambhala book resonated so much about manifesting at the highest level & not focusing on fear ever. Kinda made me think of what it might be like when the ultimate change happens on this planet... if I were being chased by the Chinese military, would I be able to focus on only love?

Also you heard the quote from a book by a Tibetan monk who wrote about his greates fear while being tortured by the Chinese... his greatest fear was that he would stop loving his torturer... kinda puts a whole different perspective on life for me, that quote. Just don't know where it came from!

[i am all i am]

we've chosen to experience the opposites of everything in a realm of duality.

Actually, there are three aspects. LOVE / EMOTION / FEAR. Love and fear are the two extremities of the one thing, emotion. The choice is to which extremity that we would flow/go/be.

Love doesn't require fear, but fear teaches us about love

"You have nothing to learn. You have only to remember."

This actually reminds me of the 1st CWG book & is the only bit that brought up my hackles... I thought it sounded arrogant. How amazing that it should come my way again to look at!!

What's even funnier is that arrogance was what they were discussing.

"Yes, but not arrogantly.
'How arrogant' is 'I am the life and the way' ? Is that arrogant enough for you ?
Now you said you would never deny me again, yet you've spent the last tem minutes trying to justify doing so.
I'm not denying You. We are talking here about my greatest vision of me.
Your greatest vision of you is Me ! That is Who I Am !
When you deny the greatest part of you, you deny Me. And I tell you, before the dawn tomorrow you will do this three times." - Page 188.

No coincidences, huh.


With LOVE.
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TRUTH / LOVE / JOY - WE ARE ALL ONE.
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[unicorn]

"You have nothing to learn. You have only to remember."
Thanks for re-minding me!

Why did we choose to forget again??? :rolleyes:

[i am all i am]

Thanks for re-minding me!

Why did we choose to forget again??? :rolleyes:

As all is one, to be, or re-present, the oneness, would we have to re-present everything ?

Here's how I thought of re-presenting forgetting, sort of an affirmation.

I forgot to forget, because I am chosing to remember.


With LOVE.
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TRUTH / LOVE / JOY - WE ARE ALL ONE.
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[unicorn]

I am chosing to remember

I have been affirming something similar thanks to a most beautiful book, supposedly channeled by Mary Magdalene. It's called 'I Remember Union', by Flo Maria. In it, Mary shares what they used to do with children up until their age of 2 to help them integrate into this incarnation... Hold the child's feet, one in each hand, & say to them 'You remember, you remember, you remember, You are light, you are light, you are light'.

Beautiful... as I read this, followed by her saying that the feet are the most sacred part of the body, I suddenly realised that that's why we say we have an 'understanding'. Also, our feet have soles!!!

So, a few years later than recommended in the book but still very powerful is affirming the quote. I feel it connects me with a greater truth of who I am, I can feel the light change/grow within me as I say it.

I remember, I remember, I remember...
I am light, I am light, I am light...
:)

[i am all i am]

There once was a soul who knew itself to be the light. This was a new soul, and so, anxious for experience. "I am the light," it said. "I am the light." Yet all the knowing of it and all the saying of it could not substitute for the experience of it. And in the realm from which this soul emerged, there was nothing but the light. Every soul was grand, every soul was magnificent, and every soul shone with the brilliance of My awesome light. And so the little soul in question was as a candle in the sun. In the midst of the grandest light - of which it was a part - it could not see itself, nor experience itself as Who and What it Really Is.

Now it came to pass that this soul yearned and yearned to know itself. And so great was its yearning that one day I said, "Do you know, Little One, what you must do to satisfy this yearning of yours ?"

"Oh, what God ? What ? I'll do anything !" the Little Soul said.

"You must seperate yourself from the rest of us," I answered, "and then you must call upon yourself the darkness."

"What is the darkness, o Holy One ?" the Little Soul asked.

"That which you are not," I replied, and the Little Soul understood.

And so this soul did, removing itself from the All, yea, going even unto another realm. And in this realm the soul had the power to call into its experience all sorts of darkness. And this it did.

. . . . .

"You may choose to be any Part of God you wish to be," I said to the Little Soul. "You are Absolute Divinty, experiencing itself. What Aspect of Divinity do you now wish to experience as You ?"

"You mean I have a choice ?" asked the Little Soul. And I answered, "Yes. You may choose to experience any Aspect of Divinity in, as, and through you."

"Okay," said the Little Soul, "then I choose Forgiveness. I want to experience my Self as that Aspect of God called Complete Forgiveness."

Well, this created a bit of a challenge, as you can imagine.

There was no one to forgive. All I have created is Perfection and Love.

"No one to forgive ?" asked the Little Soul, somewhat incredulously.

"No one," I repeated. "Look around you. Do you see any souls less perfect, less wonderful than you ?"

At this the Little Soul twirled around, and was surprised to see himself surrounded by all the souls in heaven. They had come from far and wide throughout the Kingdom, because they had heard that the Little Soul was having an extraordinary conversation with God.

"I see no one less perfect than I !" the Little Soul exclaimed. "Who, then, shall I forgive ?"

Just then, another soul stepped forward from the crowd. "You may forgive me," said this Friendly Soul.

"For what ?" the Little Soul asked.

"I will come into your next physical lifetime and do something for you to forgive," replied the Friendly Soul.

"But what ? What could you, a being of such Perfect Light do to make me want to forgive you ?" the Little Soul wanted to know.

"Oh," smiled the Friendly Soul, "I'm sure we can think of something."

"But why would you want to do this ?" The Little Soul could not figure out why a being of such perfection would want to slow down its vibration so much that it could actually do something "bad".

"Simple," the Friendly Soul explained, "I would do it because I love you. You want to experience your Self as Forgiveness, don't you ? Besides, you've done the same for me."

"I have ?" asked the Little Soul.

"Of course. Don't you remember ? We've been All Of It, you and I. We've been the Up and the Down of it, and the Left and the Right of it. We've been the Here and the There of it, and the Now and the Then of it. We've been the Big and the Small of it, the Male and the Female of it, the Good and the Bad of it. We've all been the All Of It."

"And we've done it by agreement, so that each of us might experience ourselves as The Grandest Part of God. For we have understood that. . ."

"In the absence of that which You Are Not, that Which You Are, is Not"

"In the absence of 'cold', you cannot be 'warm'. In the absence of 'sad', you cannot be 'happy', without a thing called 'evil', the experience you call 'good' cannot exist."

"If you choose to be a thing, something or someone opposite to that has to show up somewhere in your universe to make that possible."

The Friendly Soul then explained that those people are God's Special Angels, and these conditions God's Gifts.

"I ask only one thing in return," the Friendly Soul declared.

"Anything ! Anything," the Little Soul cried. He was excited now to know that he could experience every Divine Apect of God. He understood, now, The Plan.

"In the moment that I strike you and smite you," said the Friendly Soul, "in the moment that I do the worst to you that you could ever imagine - in that self-same moment. . . remember Who I Really Am."

"Oh, I won't forget !" promised the Little Soul. "I will see you in the perfection with which I hold you now, and I will remember Who You Are, always."


- Conversation with God, books I and III.



With LOVE.
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TRUTH / LOVE / JOY - WE ARE ALL ONE.
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[2013]

[QUOTE=i am all i am;18349]No I haven't. I'll keep a look out for it. Thanks for mentioning it.



'God' also says that he/she is the body of another, although I'm not remembering which book at the moment. It gave me the idea that we are in relation to the solar system as a single cell in our physical body is to the whole body. The individual parts of the cell would have a similar capability of awareness as we ourselves do. You could then take that a step further and imagine what it would be like to inhabit a body that every part, of every cell, was totally aware that it is God.

Maybe 'God' was the solar system and was referring to the universe as the body of the other.



Spot on as far as im aware i have always connected on that level that we are all cells in the body of god with the planets representing major organs .As our lives unfold from the individual thoughts of what if from the mind of god , where is my mind (great song ) , i pondered that one night when drifting off to sleep only to become aware that the question didnt emanate from the region of my head but somewhere around my solar plexus area , lol .
Are the stars just pin holes in the curtain of the night?
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE !:D

[i am all i am]

Are the stars just pin holes in the curtain of the night?
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE !:D

This is a thought that I have had as well. What if the light surrounded us ?

We, to be one, would be on the inside of ALL THAT IS, so therefore, if ALL THAT IS is light, then it stands to reason that we would be surrounded by the light. To be able to recognise ourselves individually, we would require some darkness inside of ALL THAT IS, to give shading and definition (an outline). We would be the individual 'cells' in the body of ALL THAT IS, looking out of ourselves at ALL THAT IS.

If we conceive of ALL THAT IS as a sphere, then to create this reality, ALL THAT IS would be required to do it internally. So, a sphere within a sphere. The inner sphere would be the darkness that allows the individuated aspect of ALL THAT IS to be recognised. That is, we have called the darkness around ourselves so that we could be distinguished from ALL THAT IS. The candle can then be seen within the sun.

I think that this is the message from 'The Little Soul and the Sun' (post #28). The story finished in the first book with this...

"Therefore, be a light unto the darkness, and curse it not.

And forget not who you are in the moment of your encirclement by that which you are not. But do you praise to the creation, even as you seek to change it."



With LOVE.

[2013]

a further thought on the word individual ,maybe it means that we are divided and in duality the 2 in 1 yin yang light dark male female 2 sides of the brain the eye of horus is supposed to represent the brain when viewed in half . two sides to a the same coin at least in 2 d reality anyway if money existed in the 4 th dimension would coins be 3 dimensional ?.So to be one we have 2 integrate the two sides of ourselves , to become a 3rd being the 3 in 1 lol .After all it takes 2 opposites 2 create us so we are constantly searching for the other part of ourselves our split apart , (see the butchers wife , good film demi moore , born in roswell i read somewhere !) Look more closely at words and their origins for therein lies wisdom .:D

[i am all i am]

a further thought on the word individual ,maybe it means that we are divided and in duality the 2 in 1 yin yang light dark male female 2 sides of the brain the eye of horus is supposed to represent the brain when viewed in half . two sides to a the same coin at least in 2 d reality anyway if money existed in the 4 th dimension would coins be 3 dimensional ?.So to be one we have 2 integrate the two sides of ourselves , to become a 3rd being the 3 in 1 lol .After all it takes 2 opposites 2 create us so we are constantly searching for the other part of ourselves our split apart , (see the butchers wife , good film demi moore , born in roswell i read somewhere !) Look more closely at words and their origins for therein lies wisdom .:D


G'day 2013,

I believe that becoming the third being that you talk of is the same as becoming soul. I wrote a poem about this called Alchemy.


ALCHEMY

ONE PART OF THREE,
THREE IN ONE,
THE MINDS EYE TO SEE,
WHAT YOU'VE BEGUN.

A DECISION OF ALCHEMY,
THE DAY YOU WERE BORN,
YOUR SOUL SET FREE,
THE PHYSICAL IS WORN.

SELF REVOLUTION STARTED,
TRANSFORMATION TO BE DONE,
THE THREE HAVE BEEN PARTED,
FOR YOU TO BECOME ONE.

YOUR SOUL SHOWS THE WAY,
FROM FEELINGS INSIDE,
AN EXPERIENCE TO SAY,
LOVE CAN'T BE DENIED.



With LOVE.

[2013]

G'day 2013,

I believe that becoming the third being that you talk of is the same as becoming soul. I wrote a poem about this called Alchemy.


ALCHEMY

ONE PART OF THREE,
THREE IN ONE,
THE MINDS EYE TO SEE,
WHAT YOU'VE BEGUN.

A DECISION OF ALCHEMY,
THE DAY YOU WERE BORN,
YOUR SOUL SET FREE,
THE PHYSICAL IS WORN.

SELF REVOLUTION STARTED,
TRANSFORMATION TO BE DONE,
THE THREE HAVE BEEN PARTED,
FOR YOU TO BECOME ONE.

YOUR SOUL SHOWS THE WAY,
FROM FEELINGS INSIDE,
AN EXPERIENCE TO SAY,
LOVE CAN'T BE DENIED.



With LOVE.

excellent poem , i reckon we should start a poetry thread on here , ive been writing more lately and may post some here somewhen .Lots of artistic expression coming out thru poetry 4 me rather than thru painting as usual.:D

[i am all i am]

excellent poem , i reckon we should start a poetry thread on here , ive been writing more lately and may post some here somewhen .Lots of artistic expression coming out thru poetry 4 me rather than thru painting as usual.:D

Thanks for your kind words 2013.

If you start the thread, I'll post some poetry on it. I would love to read what you have written. Even though words can be so limiting, they can also create a flow that can take you on a journey. Plus it's always fun to express yourself.


With LOVE.

[2013]

poetry thread started look forward 2 reading your stuff encourage a few more posts :D

[i am all i am]

Thanks for starting the poetry thread 2013.

These are the ten illusions from 'Communion with God'.

The Ten Illusions of Humans

1. The Illusion of Need.
2. The Illusion of Failure.
3. The Illusion of Disunity.
4. The Illusion of Insufficiency.
5. The Illusion of Requirement.
6. The Illusion of Judgement.
7. The Illusion of Condemnation.
8. The Illusion of Conditionality.
9. The Illusion of Superiority.
10. The Illusion of Ignorance.

The description of the ten illusions and how they came about comprise the first part of the book. Part two deals with 'Mastering the Illusions' and part three with 'Meeting the Creator Within'.

Has anyone read this book, and if so, what are your thoughts about it ?


With LOVE.

[turquoisefyre]

i've read almost all the CWG books, and they have literally been lifesavers for me at some point, and actually keeps being so.

god makes me laugh, and the stuff being talked about in these books are just so simple yet important.

i will also add that if anyone wishes to have a drastic positive change(s) to occur, write these 3 values down (i think from cwg "book 2"..?) on the tablets of your heart and live by them:

AWARENESS

HONESTY

RESPONSIBILITY




think obout them, meditate, live, whatever you can manage on them.
this is a real challenge, albeit the most freeing altemately, imo.

[turquoisefyre]

also, i'm pretty sure the "Joan of Arcadia"
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqG3epJ52Uk) and "Wonderfalls"
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPFKueuSuTE) series were based on the CWG books, at least loosely.

[i am all i am]

i've read almost all the CWG books, and they have literally been lifesavers for me at some point, and actually keeps being so.

god makes me laugh, and the stuff being talked about in these books are just so simple yet important.

i will also add that if anyone wishes to have a drastic positive change(s) to occur, write these 3 values down (i think from cwg "book 2"..?) on the tablets of your heart and live by them:

AWARENESS

HONESTY

RESPONSIBILITY




think obout them, meditate, live, whatever you can manage on them.
this is a real challenge, albeit the most freeing altemately, imo.

Thanks for the reply brother.

Three great values, and they fit together with.....

TRUTH.......FUNCTIONALITY........ACTION........BOD Y

JOY..........SUSTAINABILITY........THOUGHT......MI ND

LOVE........ADAPTABILITY...........WORD........... SOUL

The trinity of creation, or the three aspects of creation.

I'm glad that you've gotten so much out of the series Turquoisefyre. I'd love to hear any more thoughts or experiences that you've had.


With LOVE.

[turquoisefyre]

thank you i am all i am, you're welcome.
wow, I wish I could mention all the how, when and where experiences, but they are too many and some forgotten, I'm afraid.

I started reading the books in 2003, and there were little bits that started making sense to me only after I had read the books. my big mission was, I guess, answering questions I had, and the books helped me through(along with a couple of other books)

it all really started with Deepa Chopra's "How to Know God" (which I incedently finished just a few weeks a go, after having had it for some years)
-also, those with a sublime enough mind who reads this book of Chopra, might see how he's having jabs at the "Matrix" being a reality...

from Chopra it was onward to Gary Zukav's Seat of the Soul.(mentioned in the back of Chopra's book, and the fact that I saw him 2 or 3 times on Oprah -my sister loves the show-). What a book!
I guess this is all part of the "critical mass" awakening being referred to in the Celestine Prophecy. We have to move from External Power to Authentic Power. I did feel kind of guided, and "info" I really needed came to me at just the right time. and it's not bcuz I'm special, this, as I understand, is open to anyone. we can all remember times when we just f***** off our intuition, for whatever reason, only later to discover we should have pulled through.

but my biggest problem of course, is frogetfulness. I wish I could remember easier all the things I read. but I will admit, lately, things seems to be getting sized down. I just hope I finally get my life "figured out " soon enough. It's painful and time consuming making the same mistakes, dammit!!

anyway, I'm planning to start the whole CWG series from bk1 again soon. I still have a couple of questions...

[i am all i am]

G'day Turquoisefyre,

If you keep a pencil and notepad next to you when you re-read the CWG series, you can write down parts that stand out to you and that you wish to remember. For instance, the five attitudes of God. It's similar to study notes, except that you are not doing it for an exam, you are doing it for your personal understanding and rememberance of WHO YOU TRULY ARE.

You can even use the notes to make up posters to hang up around your residence to continue to remind you of the messages that resonate with you. It could be as simple as writing up a poster saying, "WE ARE ALL ONE". In this way you find that you start to remember more of what you read and enact it within your life experience, thus attracting joy to yourself.

Putting up affirmations are also a very good idea. "I AM REMEMBERING" is one that would be of great benefit for you at the present moment it seems. Anyway, these are merely suggestions, I make them knowing that they have helped myself and that they may be of benefit for yourself.

With LOVE.

[turquoisefyre]

hi again i am all i am,

what you say is true, and i have thought about making notes, but there were so many. i've even thought and slightly tried out subliminibal:D messages in small drawings i'd stick on the bathroom mirror. but i'm no artist, and i felt there was so many things i tried to get my head around i just gave up.

but i'm going to have another go. guess it's just a matter of taking abit of time and putting in some effort.
i think one of the first things i'm going to do is memorise the 9 or so insight from the Celistine Prophecy. I really appreciate the one that advocates we should wake up in the mornings and expect wonderfull and meaningful coincedinces and syncronicities happen to us.

from one thing to another, I kind of have gotten my head around the "fact" that we are all one, I just havn't figured out how to fully respond to
"those who don't agree".

I will mention randomly also, that last year during my reading of Tomorrow's God, that the best way to be of help to others is to be the absolute best we can be ourselves first, to live a lucid life first because the blind cannot lead the blind, or we'll keep on falling into the traps set by the NWO, if that makes sense.

[i am all i am]

hi again i am all i am,

what you say is true, and i have thought about making notes, but there were so many. i've even thought and slightly tried out subliminibal:D messages in small drawings i'd stick on the bathroom mirror. but i'm no artist, and i felt there was so many things i tried to get my head around i just gave up.

but i'm going to have another go. guess it's just a matter of taking abit of time and putting in some effort.
i think one of the first things i'm going to do is memorise the 9 or so insight from the Celistine Prophecy. I really appreciate the one that advocates we should wake up in the mornings and expect wonderfull and meaningful coincedinces and syncronicities happen to us.

from one thing to another, I kind of have gotten my head around the "fact" that we are all one, I just havn't figured out how to fully respond to
"those who don't agree".

I will mention randomly also, that last year during my reading of Tomorrow's God, that the best way to be of help to others is to be the absolute best we can be ourselves first, to live a lucid life first because the blind cannot lead the blind, or we'll keep on falling into the traps set by the NWO, if that makes sense.

G'day Turquoisefyre.

I am reminded of a saying...

How do you eat an elephant ? - One bite at a time.

Write down one thing and think about it. Then when you understand it, keep reading until the next part that you wish to write down, think about it.....one step at a time (or one bite at a time).

Allow those who don't agree to not agree. It is their choice. You merely allow them their choice while you make your own choices. This follows into your next part. Being an example is the way to show others. Plus it is the perfect thing for yourself and your personal journey. What is beneficial for one is beneficial for all, because WE ARE ALL ONE. If you keep it simple by coming from the understanding that 'all is one', you will begin to see the interconnectedness of everything and how to interact with all for the benefit of all.

With LOVE.

[turquoisefyre]

hi,

yeah, maybe i should take my time, but, life just moves so fast.
maybe i'll have another go at meditation. i've done it only slightly before and it seemd to have done alot for my busy/targeted mind.

[i am all i am]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZHYhu9oqU0
NEALE DONALD WALSCH, GOD & NEW WORLD ORDER
1:30 to 1:50



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[amadeus]

Hi,

I remember the first time was "introduced" to the CWG books. It was last autumn and i was feeling kind of restless after researching all this 911-stuff and starting to wake up from my "coma". I had this great need to have some spiritual guidance, to see the meaning of my life. So here i was in Germany at the home of my voice teacher for a lesson(i'm an opera singer), and he was having another pupil, so he asked me to wait. I sat down at a table full of books and sort of picked up one of the many books.

It was a book with white covers and it read: "Conversations with God, part 1". I was so drawn to this book that i began reading it at once. And then i just couldn't stop reading. The next day i got all 3 parts and read them all in a couple of days. It was an amazing experience. It was like someone was filling a great void in my soul with the knowledge i always yarned to have. And afterwards i kind of knew that it was no coincidence that i stumbled on the book just at that time.

So those book really helped start this amazing journey of discovering who i really am. After that "i was introduced" to David and other interesting people like Jordan M, Michael T. and William C. thanks to the internet. I wonder if i should read those books again, because i (also) have a feeling(after absorbing so much knew information since i read them the first time) that everything in those books isn't quite right. It maybe as someone said, just "clogged channeling" i don't know, but my gut tells me somethings isn't quite right here.

Just to mention a few things i remember now from the series: God tells how the HEBs children are raised by the grandparents-and how this is the best way to raise your babies.(feels kind of not right...?), God says that the best form of government is one world government for the whole world(ok, at first this sounded nice, but i don't know anymore...). And of course the whole Bush thing is odd - he kind of explains it good though on the clip. So i don't know. Maybe i should just be grateful for the experience these books gave me and move on.

But then you see pictures of those CWG-cruises that cost a fortune...
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[i am all i am]

G'day Amadeus.

Thank you for your reply.

I have re-read the series a few of times.

Neales questioning becomes redundant and you can read the whole series by reading only what "God" replied to them.

Neale definitely lies in the video. He does not merely release the information as he was 'given' it. There is an editing process.

I still believe that the series is worth reading and contains much information that is worthwhile to those seeking. 'Reading between the lines' helps digest the information and also helps to work out what to accept for yourself and what to disregard.

Have you read any of the other books by Neale apart from the three 'Conversations...' books ???




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[amadeus]

Just picked up "Tomorrow's God", i think its his latest. I've read ca 20pages so far(I'm sort of reading Tolle's "A new Earth" at the same time). Can't say much yet. Anyone else read it?

One other thing that bothers me(sorry, i know this is so not relevant!) is: how is he capable of writing down all this stuff with a pen and note pad? I mean at the beginning of "Tomorrow's God", which is 350 pages, he says that he wrote the whole thing uninterrupted. Wow, thats a lot of writing for one evening... can't get it.

[i am all i am]

Just picked up "Tomorrow's God", i think its his latest. I've read ca 20pages so far(I'm sort of reading Tolle's "A new Earth" at the same time). Can't say much yet. Anyone else read it?

One other thing that bothers me(sorry, i know this is so not relevant!) is: how is he capable of writing down all this stuff with a pen and note pad? I mean at the beginning of "Tomorrow's God", which is 350 pages, he says that he wrote the whole thing uninterrupted. Wow, thats a lot of writing for one evening... can't get it.

'What God Wants' and 'Home With God' come after 'Tomorrows God'.

The list is...

Conversations with God I - 1996.

Conversations with God II - 1997.

Conversations with God III - 1998.

Friendship with God - 1999.

Communion with God - 2000.

The New Revelations - 2002.

Tomorrows God - 2004.

What God Wants - 2005.

These are what I have read and have a copy of.

Home with God - 2006.


I think that there is supposed to be ten, so I am missing one. There are also a lot of spin-off books, like 'Meditations from Conversations with God' and 'Conversations with God for Teens', etc.

'Tomorrows God' is worthwhile. I enjoyed 'Communion with God' very much, and is definitely a book that I would recommend reading. I looked at 'Home with God' in a bookstore and decided that it wasn't one that I would spend money on to read.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZHYhu9oqU0
NEALE DONALD WALSCH, GOD & NEW WORLD ORDER
1:30 to 1:50



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WTF??!!??

well, in book 1 "god" says:"Hitler went to Heaven"...
i've had my thoughts in book 3 somewhere where "god" says: "shine on, oh illuminati..."

WTF??

the only way i can make sense of this is that 'they' are 'actors' playing out a drama we need or want to go through...

so "god" can get to know him/herself/itself "experientially"...

??

[i am all i am]

WTF??!!??

well, in book 1 "god" says:"Hitler went to Heaven"...
i've had my thoughts in book 3 somewhere where "god" says: "shine on, oh illuminati..."

WTF??

the only way i can make sense of this is that 'they' are 'actors' playing out a drama we need or want to go through...

so "god" can get to know him/herself/itself "experientially"...

??

G'day Turquoisefyre.

The lies are hidden within the truth. There is much truth within the series, but there are still lies. Some of the truth is also 'stifled' and not given completely. Discernment and your own inner guidance/Godness is the key to distinguishing between the lie and the truth.

Why would ALL THAT IS use Neale as the tool to give the message ???

Neale asked this question. The answer is simple. Neale, being part of the system of control, would guarentee the widest possible audience for the material. Those that could discern the truth would have access to material that would further their understanding of who they truly are, thus answering the question of who am I ?, an important step in the awakening process.

As to Hitler going to "heaven". Well, to get to heaven you must first die, and as there is no hell, everyone that dies therefore goes to heaven.

Also, remember that this series of books has been edited. That is, it has been altered by others to suit there purposes, whether that be Neale or someone else.

Neale is definitely an actor. When I spoke with him, he would not look me in the eye and had difficulty expressing himself fluently and coherently. Having had experience with teaching body language, I could see the inSINcerity of Neales acts/actions/deeds, or body language. The series of books, while definitely containing a lot of truth, is merely a script, a dialogue, or "conversation", between characters/actors.



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you know what that youtube clip means, don't you..?? it lireally means we're pushing a traitors' work... i mean, how else does one put it>

but i expexted something like that even when i read the books...don't ask me why i'm not too surprised about the clip.

now, this also means that there could be some mega sophisticated mind controll being unleashed on those that seek the truth. i mean, i like the books alot, but it's like you can pick up there it's not all truth...

but what is it that they could be holding back??

the other side of the coin would be...

you know in the Matrix movie, Agent Smith said that the first Matrix version was perfect, but that it eventually failed... was it because there was a 'Satanic' influence (in the sense a Satanist would have you look at Satan as the hard done rebel), that screwed over 'god's creation', and got banished for trying to wake up humanity. are the 'elite' doing the dirty, painfull work no other souls would touch????

I mean, this NWO is really dragging it's ass getting implemented...
if i was the elite, i'dve had this fucking planet totally enslaved long ago...

i don't know...just trying to make sense of this. what do you think??

[i am all i am]

you know what that youtube clip means, don't you..?? it lireally means we're pushing a traitors' work... i mean, how else does one put it>

but i expexted something like that even when i read the books...don't ask me why i'm not too surprised about the clip.

now, this also means that there could be some mega sophisticated mind controll being unleashed on those that seek the truth. i mean, i like the books alot, but it's like you can pick up there it's not all truth...

but what is it that they could be holding back??

the other side of the coin would be...

you know in the Matrix movie, Agent Smith said that the first Matrix version was perfect, but that it eventually failed... was it because there was a 'Satanic' influence (in the sense a Satanist would have you look at Satan as the hard done rebel), that screwed over 'god's creation', and got banished for trying to wake up humanity. are the 'elite' doing the dirty, painfull work no other souls would touch????

I mean, this NWO is really dragging it's ass getting implemented...
if i was the elite, i'dve had this fucking planet totally enslaved long ago...

i don't know...just trying to make sense of this. what do you think??

I hear you brother. He isn't exactly a traitor, he is already working for the other side. Whether this is conciously, or he is mind controlled, it doesn't matter because it amounts to the same thing.

The series is a very sophisticated mind trap. Although having said that, it will only work if this is the ONLY material that you base your understandings upon, just like having the bible as the ultimate authority. Many people that I have met that have read the series find it very difficult to incorporate the ideals into their lives. I believe that this is because the way that we currently live is so far away from who we truly are that it is not condusive to follwing the understandings AND living the way that we do. So the trap is that people will fail to incorporate the material into our way of living and then disregard it as bullshit, throwing the baby out with the bathwater. They will literally throw away any understandings because they can not live them within societies current way of living.

So, it's not that much is actually held back, it is the way that it is introduced or presented that is the trap, in a similar way that 'The Secret' is a trap. The principles are true, it's the application, or reason/purpose, that is the problem.

Remember, you are infinite, unlimited. So how do trap something that is unlimited ? The only way that they can do this is by making you believe that the understanding that you have means something else. Being fear based, it cannot create, only LOVE creates. Fear will distort, twist, all in an attempt to manipulate, because it cannot create, it is an imitator. They need your power to create with and this can only be done by manipulating you to do what they want, not what you would freely chose.

Simply make your own choices because it describes who you are, not because it has come from some ultimate source. You are the ultimate source, not some outside material or person. The CWG series is also a guru trap. Be free of the guru and make your own choices totally based on who you choose to BE.



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Remember, you are infinite, unlimited. So how do trap something that is unlimited ? The only way that they can do this is by making you believe that the understanding that you have means something else. Being fear based, it cannot create, only LOVE creates. Fear will distort, twist, all in an attempt to manipulate, because it cannot create, it is an imitator. They need your power to create with and this can only be done by manipulating you to do what they want, not what you would freely chose.

Simply make your own choices because it describes who you are, not because it has come from some ultimate source. You are the ultimate source, not some outside material or person. The CWG series is also a guru trap. Be free of the guru and make your own choices totally based on who you choose to BE.

you guys do know that anyone can do what ndw does, right?

i met a guy who knew walsh for years. neale was down and out, and was brainstorming an idea for a book. according to this mutual acquantance, he hit on the idea since "since we're all god, i'll just talk to myself." it started out as a rant, which he 'received' a response to because he put his pen down and started listening.

i read the first cwg book in 97, and didn't read any of the other ones.

does he write at all about people developing their own connection with the small, still voice? imho, that is the most valuable thing he could share. :)

that would kind of put a halt to the marketing of sequels, wouldn't it? ;)

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you guys do know that anyone can do what ndw does, right?

i met a guy who knew walsh for years. neale was down and out, and was brainstorming an idea for a book. according to this mutual acquantance, he hit on the idea since "since we're all god, i'll just talk to myself." it started out as a rant, which he 'received' a response to because he put his pen down and started listening.

i read the first cwg book in 97, and didn't read any of the other ones.

does he write at all about people developing their own connection with the small, still voice? imho, that is the most valuable thing he could share. :)

that would kind of put a halt to the marketing of sequels, wouldn't it? ;)

G'da Tru3.

Thanks for your input brother.

Yeah, I've done it myself. Neale merely alludes to it in the sees, he doesn't make it a big issue, probably because then he wouldn't have anyone listening to him and buying his books if he did. Everyone would be having their own "Conversation with God" and Neale and the books would become redundant.



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G'da Tru3.

Thanks for your input brother.



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Remember, you are infinite, unlimited. So how do trap something that is unlimited ? The only way that they can do this is by making you believe that the understanding that you have means something else. Being fear based, it cannot create, only LOVE creates. Fear will distort, twist, all in an attempt to manipulate, because it cannot create, it is an imitator. They need your power to create with and this can only be done by manipulating you to do what they want, not what you would freely chose.

well, hell, literally everything is a trap when you have mental issues.. (resident fear), even your own body becomes one. so even the most "enlightening" text can be the worst trap if it is not understood.

i loved these books, but i don't perceive them to be more than just books written by an author. for what i know, there is no "god inspired" author, because in that sense, we are all being inspired always by god, our our inner self, or the devil or what have you, as soon as we let go of our constraints and fears and be ourselves.

so, if you "let go" and express your freedom in your art or work, you are expressing what you are and that could be either love, fear, or mixed up confused babble.

about "Hitler went to heaven", i think that he suggests that Hitler really believed that he was doing the best for his people and viewed himself as a savior of his people. his beliefs (some other people who brainwashed him) had convinced him that the "others" were not real human beings and that his mission was to clean up the place and thus help the world evolve to the right direction.

of course, all the above is crap, but does God care? because when you make a mistake without realizing it, when you see the mistake and you say "bummer", you can either feel guilty even desperate, or forgive yourself and move on. but, you also realize that there was no way that you would not make that mistake, because you thought it was the right thing to do, therefore your heart was in the right place when doing it.

i think that's what he meant in a few words.

[nickatnoon61]

Here, here.

That's interesting what you said about Neale i am all i am (do you like the band 'You am I'?). I always wondered, cos years ago I saw he was speaking at the tennis centre in Melbourne and charging a lot of money. I know people like to earn a buck but it's kind of like he missed the nut of the conversation. It seemed strange after reading his books. Oh well, his choice I suppose. I haven't read the communion book. I started to read the New Revelations but it was just a rehash of the trilogy I thought. I think he felt he needed to put something out there for all the middle class new age searchers after 9/11. Maybe...

I picked up Celestine Prophesy years ago when it was all the rage but couldn't get past the first page. If I see it again I'll take another look at it, as what you have shared about your life has inspired me and the book seems to have struck a chord with you judging by your posts.
Cheers.
hologram, I loved Celestine, as it was written in fiction form, and there was some intrigue in it! The second one was OK, but not as good as the first,IMO.

[nickatnoon61]

i've read almost all the CWG books, and they have literally been lifesavers for me at some point, and actually keeps being so.

god makes me laugh, and the stuff being talked about in these books are just so simple yet important.

i will also add that if anyone wishes to have a drastic positive change(s) to occur, write these 3 values down (i think from cwg "book 2"..?) on the tablets of your heart and live by them:

AWARENESS

HONESTY

RESPONSIBILITY




think obout them, meditate, live, whatever you can manage on them.
this is a real challenge, albeit the most freeing altemately, imo.TF, how about R esponsibility A wareness H onesty as in a cheer....easier to remember!!! :)

[nickatnoon61]

lol TF R U laughing because IAAIA is a female??? :)

[nickatnoon61]

you guys do know that anyone can do what ndw does, right?

i met a guy who knew walsh for years. neale was down and out, and was brainstorming an idea for a book. according to this mutual acquantance, he hit on the idea since "since we're all god, i'll just talk to myself." it started out as a rant, which he 'received' a response to because he put his pen down and started listening.

i read the first cwg book in 97, and didn't read any of the other ones.

does he write at all about people developing their own connection with the small, still voice? imho, that is the most valuable thing he could share. :)

that would kind of put a halt to the marketing of sequels, wouldn't it? ;)
Tru3 great comments!!! From experience/intuition/discernment, I have learned there are a lot of deceivers/liars in the New Age movement. I used to go to a meditation group, which was comprised mostly of women. They were pushing a local(Vancouver) guru Craig Russel. I went to one seminar he put on, and all of his tapes,books, etc. were super expensive. That was a red flag for me, among other feelings! Years later, I met a guy, who used to travel with Russel and he said Russel was a phoney! I told him I was not surprised at all. Here is his website....Icke also says most channelers are phoneys. http://www.akashaonline.com/

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hologram, I loved Celestine, as it was written in fiction form, and there was some intrigue in it! The second one was OK, but not as good as the first,IMO.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

I also loved 'The Celestine Prophecy'. I preferred the first to the second as well. The first had some great info that correlated to a lot of things that I had experienced, the four control dramas for example. I haven't seen the movie, although I have heard mixed reports about it.

THANK YOU.



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TF R U laughing because IAAIA is a female??? :)

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

You may like to check out 'The Forum Photo Collection' thread at this link.....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4945

THANK YOU.



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I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

You may like to check out 'The Forum Photo Collection' thread at this link.....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4945

THANK YOU.



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OK IAAIA, I was getting you mixed up with I_Am, who is female. Plus the pink fonts threw me off. You are a hairy one,eh?!? ha ha :D

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Nickatnoon.

No worries mate.

Yep, plenty of hair, merely another monkey eh.

THANK YOU.



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TF R U laughing because IAAIA is a female??? :)

um, can't remember now...:o

oops...