War against Iran just around the corner?

[kblood]

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/13/bush.mideast.speech/index.html

"Bush: Iran threatens world security"

Bush now comes with the same accusations he did against Iraq. Saying that "Iran is the world's leading state sponsor of terror."

It seems to have been underway for maybe 5 years now, is it going to happen?

[king triad]

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/13/bush.mideast.speech/index.html


It seems to have been underway for maybe 5 years now, is it going to happen?

oh it's gonna happen...the same talk as before iraq...its only when not if..

[revolutionary_jam]

I love how he says Iran gives more money to terrorists than any other country

BULLSHIT

Haven't you heard of the United States Of America you fuckwit

[kblood]

Exactly. The US is the world terroists, with their CIA and the NSA. Their terrorism is legalised though, which makes it "okay" and stays out of the media. The US have used every possible excuse they could the last month or two, at least in the danish news, to bitch about Iran. "Evil Iranians attacked our hangarships with their speedboats, Evil Iranians fund all terrorism (So the US wants a monopoly on funding terrorism now?), evil iranians is a threat to world peace, they are making nuclear weapons, iranians said yo momma is so fat... etc...

Amazing how the first rumours about this war already began in 2002 or earlier. Now all they are just using propaganda to make people accept it has to happen. Im sure glad I dont live in Iran, they seem to be the next lambs to the slaughter.

[kblood]

I need to get off some more steam on this one...

So the US funds Israel, who is allowed to bomb the countries around them if they feel threatened by them, and same goes for the US who can bomb any country with oil reserves the US might want, and they give some weak excuse before doing so.

So its war when the country is able to bomb 50 places at once, and terrorism when they can only bomb one place at a time? Not that I would say its a good thing to bomb civilians, or to bomb anything at all.

[megafish33]

I need to get off some more steam on this one...

So the US funds Israel, who is allowed to bomb the countries around them if they feel threatened by them, and same goes for the US who can bomb any country with oil reserves the US might want, and they give some weak excuse before doing so.

So its war when the country is able to bomb 50 places at once, and terrorism when they can only bomb one place at a time? Not that I would say its a good thing to bomb civilians, or to bomb anything at all.

Actually, the US gives the Arab countries 3 times the aid. Don't believe all the hype.

IMHO, we should stop all federal funding to all of them and just leave it to private groups who'd like to donate. Plenty of rich Arabs and Jews that live in the US... let them donate their money if they so desire.

[skyver]

Thats because even though we may go on about the rothschilds etc, the Saudis
are just as corrupt, in fact you reminded me about the saudis. Like the Rothschilds are fake jews, the saudi's (royalty at least) are fake arse muslims.

[free_soul]

there is a big war comeing
ive been thinking about england atm
councel tax is going up but the counsel dont get the extra money infact its going down!!!!

this (in my opinion) can e 2 things:
1: the imenent war
2:the rise of the nwo and sending monies to th EU

[phreedom]

iranians said yo momma is so fat... etc...

oh man, PRICELESS quote... priceless...

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the iminent withdrawel and role-downgrading of US troops in Iraq is because they'll be marching next door to Iran?

[kblood]

Actually, the US gives the Arab countries 3 times the aid. Don't believe all the hype.

IMHO, we should stop all federal funding to all of them and just leave it to private groups who'd like to donate. Plenty of rich Arabs and Jews that live in the US... let them donate their money if they so desire.

Yes, but isnt there a bit more than 3 times as many Arabs as there are Israelians(or whatever they are called :o)? So giving the Arabs a bit of funding is just kind of an excuse for giving Israel weapons and money enough to be nearly a superpower of its own.

Lets see how well the Arabs retaliates with their medical supplies and food. Yea, the US also sells/gives weapons to Arab countries, to people like Saddam and Osama Bin Laden, but that was also to buy power and influence in those countries.


I actually have to agree on not sending that much money and food to the Arab countries and Israel, because sometimes it works against the countries more than it helps them. Very cynically said, when they dont die from famine when unable to feed themselves, how can they be expected to solve their own food problem? Even more so our donations of food and clothes have destroyed the economy of farmers and similar industries in such countries. They cant just say, oh well, I couldnt sell my corn this year, I hope it becomes better next year. Next year the farmer might not have the means to make new crops.

We even sell all the stuff we produce to much of in all of Africa, at sellout prices. It has to go, so we sell it there. They try to make candy, we sell our leftovers and half the price... quite sad, but our "aid" very often works against them. It adds to many unnatural factors to their economy.

[marpat]

Although the rhetoric would make it look as if an attack was imminent I am not really so sure. The US expected Iraq to treat them like liberators and now they are tied down in that country. To walk away makes them lose face and boosts the insurgents morale. It is also costing the US a fortune to fund the operations out there.
To invade Iran would require an enormous army, international support for a weak cause at a time when people are regretting the Iraq war. The intent may be there but I think the capacity for any real long term attack just isn't there. It would mean being bogged down in a third country and if public opinion gets any worse then the army will have real trouble recruiting new soldiers.
Today I read the US is upset that Iran is planning to launch rockets to space. Why does it always seem to be the US that tells people what they can and can't do?

[kblood]

True, I just figured what Bush said was showing the direction they are going in so much that it already seems decided (probably is but that is somewhat guessing on my side), so to say that the war or attack on Iran is immenent is a bit much, but the news item seemed important :)

They most likely wont do anything before they know who will be president.

[megafish33]

This is getting insane. What happened to the idea that we should declare war against a targeted evil, not states like "Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran."

Of course, it would help the cause if Iraqis stop using American soldiers as a crutch and start taking the bull by the horns. :(

[garth]

Has been on he cards for a while..like 130 years!!

Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter
that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter
graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were
seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order,
and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events
that have already taken place.

"The Third World War must be fomented by
taking advantage of the differences caused by
the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the
political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic
World. The war must be conducted in such a
way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and
political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually
destroy each other. Meanwhile the other
nations, once more divided on this issue will be
constrained to fight to the point of complete
physical, moral, spiritual and economical
exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and
the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable
social cataclysm which in all its horror will show
clearly to the nations the effect of absolute
atheism, origin of savagery and of the most
bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens,
obliged to defend themselves against the world
minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate
those destroyers of civilization, and the
multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose
deistic spirits will from that moment be without
compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but
without knowing where to render its adoration,
will receive the true light through the universal
manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer,
brought finally out in the public view. This
manifestation will result from the general
reactionary movement which will follow the
destruction of Christianity and atheism, both
conquered and exterminated at the same
time."

http://www.nogw.com/download/2006_albert_pike_and_3ww.pdf

[marpat]

This is getting insane. What happened to the idea that we should declare war against a targeted evil, not states like "Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran."

Of course, it would help the cause if Iraqis stop using American soldiers as a crutch and start taking the bull by the horns. :(

History is repeated again. The US gets involved with a foreign country, gives them military aid then ends up doing most of the fighting. Like Vietnam would you say. I think that they will only stand up and fight once the US has left them to their own devices and they have no others troops to do the work for them.

[megafish33]

I think that they will only stand up and fight once the US has left them to their own devices and they have no others troops to do the work for them.

I hope so...

[marpat]

I hope so...


I think the worst part is that a lot of Americans have a genuine desire to help people better their lives but the politicians use clever speeches to appeal to the good nature of the US public to suit their own agenda and gain the support of the public. A lot of our public in the UK don't understand the US public mentality with regards to the present conflicts. We see lots of big speeches, flag waving, cheering, brass bands, etc. and it looks artificial. I think Americans have more trust in their government in general whereas in the UK people are quite cynical about political motives. Hope you don't think I am being arrogant or condescending :)

[megafish33]

I think the worst part is that a lot of Americans have a genuine desire to help people better their lives but the politicians use clever speeches to appeal to the good nature of the US public to suit their own agenda and gain the support of the public. A lot of our public in the UK don't understand the US public mentality with regards to the present conflicts. We see lots of big speeches, flag waving, cheering, brass bands, etc. and it looks artificial. I think Americans have more trust in their government in general whereas in the UK people are quite cynical about political motives. Hope you don't think I am being arrogant or condescending :)

No arrogance detected marpat.

Yeah, many Americans do have a genuine desire to help others. I also think the "lets police the world" idea, for better or worse, as been superimposed on many(not all) Americans. They see tragedies and say, "we're the worlds only Superpower, economically and militarily, why couldn't we stop this?!" It's funny you mention the artificial cheering and speeches on TV. That isn't the accurate picture, we really do have our cynics, many in the media, and our current foreign policy has been criticized by many Americans, for reasons both correct and accurate and others ridiculous and untrue. We get the same picture about all of the psychos in the middle-east screaming "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" but in reality, most of us can appreciate that the psychos are a smaller group than the media portrays them to be. And many may be screaming and raving for just causes. Honestly, I haven't met a fellow American yet that personally feels a nuclear first strike against Iran can be morally justified or will make the world a safer place.

True patriotism is loving your country/nation/peoples, not feeling like it's better than everyone else. I think many of us in the United States have forgotten this and still think we can ride the successes of our forefathers. We have a lot of work to do, and this thing with Iran may show us where our political prowess excels and where it needs refinement.