Too Much Truth, Not Enough Love.

[raggie]

I've started doing requests. Today has been an emotional day for me as it turned out. I have witnessed a change in my circumstances and it didn't cost me a penny. It came about through being organised enough to spend some quality time focussing on the only thing that really matters, love. Proper love, unconditional love. Trouble is that we are forever being bombarded with the truth. The truth of our physical and emotional reality right now is dreadful. We have allowed ourselves to harm others. We walk from those that ache for our love, we are frightened by those that challenge our beliefs. Why are we so terrified of wearing our hearts in our eyes? How has the truth of our reality caused us to behave as we do? Why can't we just get on, regardless? Where is the truth of our love?

[enga]

I think the harsh world we sometimes see is a form of love....self love or selfishness in action and is self-perpetuating. I'm glad you experienced some love and want to promote altruistic love for it's own sake because the world will be better for everyone in my opinion when that happens.

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

Glad you had a good day flying on the wings of love :D

To answer your question the truth doesnt cause the problems, if the whole world knew the truth and people were not hiding the truth from us we would all be able to make better decisions, without the facts it becomes almost impossible to make decissions, thats why we have to follow the heart and the non linear intuitive side.

I do belive us people who have researched and discovered alot of these dark truths have a tendancy to concentrate just on the negative. I dont belive this comes from the alternative media so much I think its somthing we have inheritied from the mainstream news/media. Yes we need to look at the bad but not forget the reason why we are looking at the crap.

We are looking at the crap in the world so we can work out how we can fix it. I think many people have lost track of this and just concentrate on looking for the bad or waiting for the next bad thing to happen. If your reasearching this stuff and not using the knowlege in a possitive way your really wasting your time and might aswell have stayed asleep.

We need to look for answers and in a world of lies we have to let our hearts be the guide. In a world being manipulated by evil in high places we need to combat this with love. We need balance and we need to be doing good stuff and look at the possitive, there is a lot of possitive out there even a lot of negative storys can turn out to be possitive events in the long run.

[codie]

I too have been challenged on the unconditional love basis today also.
I will stay strong in the face of the challenges I meet.
I am sure that giving love is the only way this planet can be healed. Even though I get metaphorically spat on a fair amount, and laughed at for my beliefs of there being more to this existence than what we see, I'm going to hold on to MY truth.
I'm going to spend a few days to get myself centred - I've been able to shield myself from negativity quite skilfully and I really want to help others - I'm empathic in nature. When that empathic offering gets crushed in quite spectacular style it make me question why humanity can be so hateful and bitter.
Having a verbal slap in the face isn't a bad thing. I know my path and I can see the path of those that want to stay swimming in hate.
I shall emerge stronger than before.
With love

[raggie]

I think the harsh world we sometimes see is a form of love....self love or selfishness in action and is self-perpetuating. I'm glad you experienced some love and want to promote altruistic love for it's own sake because the world will be better for everyone in my opinion when that happens.

so true, how can we communicate our own experiences of knowing love given as freely as one would give oneself a glance in a mirror? Does anyone have any stories of how unconditional love has been experienced in their own lives?

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

I too have been challenged on the unconditional love basis today also.
I will stay strong in the face of the challenges I meet.
I am sure that giving love is the only way this planet can be healed. Even though I get metaphorically spat on a fair amount, and laughed at for my beliefs of there being more to this existence than what we see, I'm going to hold on to MY truth.
I'm going to spend a few days to get myself centred - I've been able to shield myself from negativity quite skilfully and I really want to help others - I'm empathic in nature. When that empathic offering gets crushed in quite spectacular style it make me question why humanity can be so hateful and bitter.
Having a verbal slap in the face isn't a bad thing. I know my path and I can see the path of those that want to stay swimming in hate.
I shall emerge stronger than before.
With love

Codie I think your very brave to live your truth so fearlessly :) I think anyone who doesnt think there is more to this life than meets the eye must be crazy fools :D

I am sure there are a lot people out there who will respect the person you are you dont need to allow these people to drag you down with there ignorance. I am glad you have found strategys to stay detached from peoples negativity. There crap aimed at you is proberly more of a reflection of who they are and the crap going on in there life. I wouldnt take it to personaly I think your great person and have a lot to offer this world :)

You are on the right path for sure :)

[codie]

Codie I think your very brave to live your truth so fearlessly :) I think anyone who doesnt think there is more to this life than meets the eye must be crazy fools :D

I am sure there are a lot people out there who will respect the person you are you dont need to allow these people to drag you down with there ignorance. I am glad you have found strategys to stay detached from peoples negativity. There crap aimed at you is proberly more of a reflection of who they are and the crap going on in there life. I wouldnt take it to personaly I think your great person and have a lot to offer this world :)

You are on the right path for sure :)


Thank you so much for your kind words
People say that it's a form of fakery because they can't grasp the concept that you want to live in love - and they try their hardest to knock you - make you react with malice - but it's true that those that seek to point out others failings wouldn't take so much pleasure in it if they didn't have many of their own. I have many I know, but I try to embrace the positive and open my arms to those that want solace. I have been told I think I'm 'up myself' for thinking I have the right to be able to offer assistance. I do think yeah who the hell am I to be able to guide another - but I'm nobody I'm just me doing what I feel I'm here to do. I'm bound to meet darker entities that want to sabotage it and try to fill me with doubt.
Once you allow yourself to be pulled into the negative energy it's a breeding ground for bad things to manifest
Yeah it's been challenging, but I won't give up love for hate - Never - even if it's a solo mission.
:)

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

Once you allow yourself to be pulled into the negative energy it's a breeding ground for bad things to manifest

What a great line and I couldnt agree more, I have witnessed this in my own life. :)

[domino1108]

I've started doing requests. Today has been an emotional day for me as it turned out. I have witnessed a change in my circumstances and it didn't cost me a penny. It came about through being organised enough to spend some quality time focussing on the only thing that really matters, love. Proper love, unconditional love. Trouble is that we are forever being bombarded with the truth. The truth of our physical and emotional reality right now is dreadful. We have allowed ourselves to harm others. We walk from those that ache for our love, we are frightened by those that challenge our beliefs. Why are we so terrified of wearing our hearts in our eyes? How has the truth of our reality caused us to behave as we do? Why can't we just get on, regardless? Where is the truth of our love?

Nowhere near enough kindness as well. i see so many on this forum, that dont have words of kindness for fear of being seen as weak. I am not knocking anyone person and i include myself in this sometimes. I find love gives emotional strength to be who you are without the need to defend your soft and fragile core.

But to agree with the OP, spot on. Sometimes people look at this conspiracy, and it becomes a cage, and they are concentrating on the bars. The exposure of the conspiracy, is a motion towards a solution, not another injustice to appease the injustice we feel.

[enga]

Codie I think your very brave to live your truth so fearlessly :) I think anyone who doesnt think there is more to this life than meets the eye must be crazy fools :D

I am sure there are a lot people out there who will respect the person you are you dont need to allow these people to drag you down with there ignorance. I am glad you have found strategys to stay detached from peoples negativity. There crap aimed at you is proberly more of a reflection of who they are and the crap going on in there life. I wouldnt take it to personaly I think your great person and have a lot to offer this world :)

You are on the right path for sure :)

I agree and think everytime you are challenged this way it is an assistance on your own path and an opportunity to be grateful for having your patience and tolerance increased. If you give in to temptation and lash out at the ungrateful or obnoxious then you just increase the hatefulness in the world.

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

Nowhere near enough kindness as well. i see so many on this forum, that dont have words of kindness for fear of being seen as weak. I am not knocking anyone person and i include myself in this sometimes. I find love gives emotional strength to be who you are without the need to defend your soft and fragile core.

But to agree with the OP, spot on. Sometimes people look at this conspiracy, and it becomes a cage, and they are concentrating on the bars. The exposure of the conspiracy, is a motion towards a solution, not another injustice to appease the injustice we feel.

I agree with you, I was engaging in battles with people on this forum when i first joined, there seems to be a lot of negativity and a lot of intolarance on this site. When I first joined I was quite shocked and took to trying to fight the wrongs I thought I could see on this site.

I stopped coming on the forum for a while and found a phycic/paranormal chatroom and forum. Well it really opened my eyes. People on this chatsite have many diffrent beliefs some one on there claims to be a extra terrestrial some people dont even belive in aliens. But the strange thing is everyone listens to each others views and respects them and gets a long with each other.

Really with the message David promotes you would think there would be a lot more tolarance on this site. But it seems negativity breeds negativity.

I cant speak to much because I have not been coming on this forum much but with this new possitive meditation it was somthing I belived in and would come back and support it.

I think there was a line in a speach from a film thats quite popular on the net.

"We need kindness more than cleverness" There is a wisdom in kindness that transends being right or wrong on a single point. Yes we need to speak our truth but we need to act with compassion and wisdom

[codie]

I agree and think everytime you are challenged this way it is an assistance on your own path and an opportunity to be grateful for having your patience and tolerance increased. If you give in to temptation and lash out at the ungrateful or obnoxious then you just increase the hatefulness in the world.

Totally

[codie]

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I'm going to stay here, maybe sleep in here tonight, I like it in this part of the Forum Building *strokes wall*:o

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

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I'm going to stay here, maybe sleep in here tonight, I like it in this part of the Forum Building *strokes wall*:o[/QUOTE]

:D We are on a high from the love the meditation :D If we carry on like this I could be wearing flowers in my hair by next week :eek: :)

[raggie]

I too have been challenged on the unconditional love basis today also.
I will stay strong in the face of the challenges I meet.
I am sure that giving love is the only way this planet can be healed. Even though I get metaphorically spat on a fair amount, and laughed at for my beliefs of there being more to this existence than what we see, I'm going to hold on to MY truth.
I'm going to spend a few days to get myself centred - I've been able to shield myself from negativity quite skilfully and I really want to help others - I'm empathic in nature. When that empathic offering gets crushed in quite spectacular style it make me question why humanity can be so hateful and bitter.
Having a verbal slap in the face isn't a bad thing. I know my path and I can see the path of those that want to stay swimming in hate.
I shall emerge stronger than before.
With love

you will, you already have. I am a shy person and I am easily embarassed. The only subject that I feel qualified to talk from the heart about, is the depth of the love that lives in my heart. No one can call me on that. It is my love. It exists within me so it can be shared. So it can become blended into the energy of all our love combined. I see people push this love away, the same as I have pushed hot, pure love away myself. It is a hard thing to own and understand. Yet it runs deep through human transaction. It swirls and eddys within our veins causing our focus to shimmer. It transcends words. For what words are able to match the energy of a loving gaze or a gentle touch? To love unconditional is a true challenge for all. Thank you all for responding so positively to this thread. It's going to be a good day.

[raggie]

:D We are on a high from the love the meditation :D If we carry on like this I could be wearing flowers in my hair by next week :eek: :)

woa there, tiger :-)

[gladys]

But to agree with the OP, spot on. Sometimes people look at this conspiracy, and it becomes a cage, and they are concentrating on the bars. The exposure of the conspiracy, is a motion towards a solution, not another injustice to appease the injustice we feel.

I completely agree.

The almost obsessive search for the 'truth' has quite literally overtaken the need for love, and to echo what Codie says, giving love is the only way this planet can be healed. The true awakening was always going to be a revolution of the heart.

[ftil]

I've started doing requests. Today has been an emotional day for me as it turned out. I have witnessed a change in my circumstances and it didn't cost me a penny. It came about through being organised enough to spend some quality time focussing on the only thing that really matters, love. Proper love, unconditional love. Trouble is that we are forever being bombarded with the truth. The truth of our physical and emotional reality right now is dreadful. We have allowed ourselves to harm others. We walk from those that ache for our love, we are frightened by those that challenge our beliefs. Why are we so terrified of wearing our hearts in our eyes? How has the truth of our reality caused us to behave as we do? Why can't we just get on, regardless? Where is the truth of our love?


Hm…….What I am going to say may evoke a storm over my head. ;) I don’t think that love is the answer. I have been on another forum where in ever sentence I could read……. love and light but the words didn’t match the actions of many members. They were abusive many times or blind to the pain of others. But they talked about empathy………and had no clue what it meant. :rolleyes: I have developed a severe allergy for love and light. :D But I strongly believe in unconditional acceptance. People fight with each other to defend their beliefs rather than laughing together. But beliefs are only beliefs. Secondly, we are only humans. We love some people, or are indifferent to others. Some people may hate a few.

[domino1108]

i think that love and kindness and peace is the way out of our conflict.

And i champion those of you fine people who advocate the positive vibrations that this weary world needs. It is not a weakness to have humility and love and hope in your heart. i do beleive that when we fight in our world, we fight in our hearts and it creates turmoil.

And it never ends until we try somthing anew.

[domino1108]

you will, you already have. I am a shy person and I am easily embarassed. The only subject that I feel qualified to talk from the heart about, is the depth of the love that lives in my heart. No one can call me on that. It is my love. It exists within me so it can be shared. So it can become blended into the energy of all our love combined. I see people push this love away, the same as I have pushed hot, pure love away myself. It is a hard thing to own and understand. Yet it runs deep through human transaction. It swirls and eddys within our veins causing our focus to shimmer. It transcends words. For what words are able to match the energy of a loving gaze or a gentle touch? To love unconditional is a true challenge for all. Thank you all for responding so positively to this thread. It's going to be a good day.

i dont think ive heard a truer person on this forum, this comes from a heart we could all learn from, bless you:)

[raggie]

i dont think ive heard a truer person on this forum, this comes from a heart we could all learn from, bless you:)

Thank you. I was wondering what possible positive difference a thread such as this may make in our world. I do not have a clue how I come across to anyone who reads the stuff I write. I know what burns within and I doubt that it translates adequetley into words on a screen. I know that if it could be poured from a bottle it may taste different from how it looks. The bottle may affect the taste and exposure to air may play a part in changing the flavour. So here I am, all poured out at the mercy of your individual taste buds. Made in a factory that uses nuts. :-D

[raggie]

Hm…….What I am going to say may evoke a storm over my head. ;) I don’t think that love is the answer. I have been on another forum where in ever sentence I could read……. love and light but the words didn’t match the actions of many members. They were abusive many times or blind to the pain of others. But they talked about empathy………and had no clue what it meant. :rolleyes: I have developed a severe allergy for love and light. :D But I strongly believe in unconditional acceptance. People fight with each other to defend their beliefs rather than laughing together. But beliefs are only beliefs. Secondly, we are only humans. We love some people, or are indifferent to others. Some people may hate a few.

I have always known the power of love, sometimes due to it's absence. I feel no need to attempt to like everybody. I already love everybody even when I do not like them. How can I not? I have spent pretty much all of my life attempting to understand others. It is comparitively recently that I have started to attempt to understand myself. I do not condone some of the things I have done in my life, understanding how and why helps me find a peace within though.

[raggie]

I completely agree.

The almost obsessive search for the 'truth' has quite literally overtaken the need for love, and to echo what Codie says, giving love is the only way this planet can be healed. The true awakening was always going to be a revolution of the heart.

yes it was and this forum is where the revolution of the heart begins proper. David and Sean have provided the means, our hearts are in our hands, to do as we will. Let us hope that the headline section on this site remembers us in places.

[ftil]

I have always known the power of love, sometimes due to it's absence. I feel no need to attempt to like everybody. I already love everybody even when I do not like them. How can I not? I have spent pretty much all of my life attempting to understand others. It is comparitively recently that I have started to attempt to understand myself. I do not condone some of the things I have done in my life, understanding how and why helps me find a peace within though.


Well, I love humans. Those, of course, who have souls. LOL! I don’t love those who don’t have it. They are not humans anyway. :D But the most important is to be true to ourselves. It is the quintessence of having integrity, a word that is forgotten by many. I agree that the more we understand ourselves, the more we understand others and accept them unconditionally. But I have a big problem with new age love and light where actions don’t match words. Secondly, love is a verb and feeling that is experienced in our hearts and bodies. I can not stand the empty talk about love any more. :p

[domino1108]

i do agree with you Ftil, about some people who spout the virtues of love yet do not follow through in practice. its a lesson to be learnt.

But i am touched and heartened by this movement for something good and pure, and to put loves motive into action. Its easy to be cynical, but hell, if you dont try, you will never know. And the world is a fine example of a world that is lost of true love. by that i mean "that which is best for it".

bravo to you dam fine people, this is something that will grow and grow, like anything in the beginning, if you beleive it you will have your critics and cynics, but whn you know something in your heart, or your mind, you have to be focused to follow it through.

If people dont get you, it doesnt matter. Your a lifetime and much more of experience, and only you can know what is right for you. Detractors will come at you, but you have to plough through united. i havent seen too much unity on here. So im humble in your gracious loving hearts:D

[ftil]

i do agree with you Ftil, about some people who spout the virtues of love yet do not follow through in practice. its a lesson to be learnt.

But i am touched and heartened by this movement for something good and pure, and to put loves motive into action. Its easy to be cynical, but hell, if you dont try, you will never know. And the world is a fine example of a world that is lost of true love. by that i mean "that which is best for it".

bravo to you dam fine people, this is something that will grow and grow, like anything in the beginning, if you beleive it you will have your critics and cynics, but whn you know something in your heart, or your mind, you have to be focused to follow it through.

If people dont get you, it doesnt matter. Your a lifetime and much more of experience, and only you can know what is right for you. Detractors will come at you, but you have to plough through united. i havent seen too much unity on here. So im humble in your gracious loving hearts:D

I am in a total agreement that we need to follow our hearts or I would better say to trust and follow our intuition. We also need to start thinking for ourselves and feel all feelings. In fact, the more people feel, the more they can hear their intuition. Unity is another theory that is useless if people don’t become a change they want to see. ;) Those who spread the idea of unity, love, and light made a great job………many people are moving away from it. :D:p We are not lost then.LOL! I run from it faster than I can say Robert Redford. :)

[raggie]

Well, I love humans. Those, of course, who have souls. LOL! I don’t love those who don’t have it. They are not humans anyway. :D But the most important is to be true to ourselves. It is the quintessence of having integrity, a word that is forgotten by many. I agree that the more we understand ourselves, the more we understand others and accept them unconditionally. But I have a big problem with new age love and light where actions don’t match words. Secondly, love is a verb and feeling that is experienced in our hearts and bodies. I can not stand the empty talk about love any more. :p

I agree totally. I am not a fan of the new age way of doing things. I live near Whitby in North Yorkshire which is a beautiful town. There are a lot of shops selling a lot of new age paraphenalia. Stuff like pan pipes, dreamcatchers, shiny stones, fairies with ample cleaveages looking forlorn and plastic. A lot of money changes hands and people go away with all sorts of things to shove on their shelves and windowsills. I don't ever get a sense of love being involved in any of this when I visit these shops. The people behind the counter want the money. It is why they have the shop in the first place. It seems that there is money to be made everywhere in the new age movement. I find it saddening. Maybe it's just me, but the new age side of things seems to bring out the worse in us.

[beyonddimensions]

Great thread, great thread, mate.

As David is so fond of saying, infinite love is the only truth...

That is, feeling and showing love is our first priority, everything else is secondary. :)

[raggie]

Great thread, great thread, mate.

As David is so fond of saying, infinite love is the only truth...

That is, feeling and showing love is our first priority, everything else is secondary. :)

thank you. I have just subscribed to the feed for your blog. It's interesting stuff. Going to have a good read of it later. It is true, feeling and sharing love is the only way forward. I am sure of that. :-D

[ftil]

I agree totally. I am not a fan of the new age way of doing things. I live near Whitby in North Yorkshire which is a beautiful town. There are a lot of shops selling a lot of new age paraphenalia. Stuff like pan pipes, dreamcatchers, shiny stones, fairies with ample cleaveages looking forlorn and plastic. A lot of money changes hands and people go away with all sorts of things to shove on their shelves and windowsills. I don't ever get a sense of love being involved in any of this when I visit these shops. The people behind the counter want the money. It is why they have the shop in the first place. It seems that there is money to be made everywhere in the new age movement. I find it saddening. Maybe it's just me, but the new age side of things seems to bring out the worse in us.

It is not just you. :) But it is more than making money. I have done my research about Eastern spirituality and new age version and its impact on emotional and mental functioning. Well, it has helped me to free my mind. :D People are slowly waking up, seeing many problems as a result of it.
One of the major problems is the lack of boundaries. If people don’t have clearly defined boundaries, they trespass other boundaries, causing emotional pain. But they can't have boundaries if they are emotionally numb. Infinitive love is another empty slogan sold with pan pipes. BTW, I didn’t know that they are selling pan pipes. It reminds me about god Pan.LOL!

[raggie]

It is not just you. :) But it is more than making money. I have done my research about Eastern spirituality and new age version and its impact on emotional and mental functioning. Well, it has helped me to free my mind. :D People are slowly waking up, seeing many problems as a result of it.
One of the major problems is the lack of boundaries. If people don’t have clearly defined boundaries, they trespass other boundaries, causing emotional pain. But they can't have boundaries if they are emotionally numb. Infinitive love is another empty slogan sold with pan pipes. BTW, I didn’t know that they are selling pan pipes. It reminds me about god Pan.LOL!

ooh they sell all sorts. It is quite odd in places. Whitby has a huge amount of goths visit and the shops cater for them too. You have shops that have posters in the window promoting wicca and such. When you go inside you have upside down crosses, big boots, fairy dresses and samurai swords alongside crystal ducks, plastic birds and incense. None of the shop owners I have spoken to have heard of organite. Your point re boundaries is true. Some boundaries have electric fences round them. Yeah, you have got me thinking now. Hmmm boundaries .....

[gladys]

It is not just you. :) But it is more than making money. I have done my research about Eastern spirituality and new age version and its impact on emotional and mental functioning. Well, it has helped me to free my mind. :D People are slowly waking up, seeing many problems as a result of it.
One of the major problems is the lack of boundaries. If people don’t have clearly defined boundaries, they trespass other boundaries, causing emotional pain. But they can't have boundaries if they are emotionally numb. Infinitive love is another empty slogan sold with pan pipes. BTW, I didn’t know that they are selling pan pipes. It reminds me about god Pan.LOL!

I don't think anybody here is a fan of 'new age' religion, or any other 'isms' for that matter, because just like all other 'religions/'isms'' it too has a dogma to sell or defend. What we are talking about here is just love, plain and simple. When your heart is open and you are fully integrated into 'source' (love) all 'problems' (including the illusion of 'boundaries') dissolve/are resolved. All emotional pain arises from attachment (to people, material things, emotions, etc., etc.) which causes suffering, but at our core we are pure love, pure energy. We just are, everything just is, and we are all one. The one thing that suffering teaches us in the end is that we really have no need to suffer.

Infinite love is not another empty slogan. It is the very core of who/what we are, and what we are heading back towards, and to deny that truth is to deny love itself. :)

[ftil]

I don't think anybody here is a fan of 'new age' religion, or any other 'isms' for that matter, because just like all other 'religions/'isms'' it too has a dogma to sell or defend. What we are talking about here is just love, plain and simple. When your heart is open and you are fully integrated into 'source' (love) all 'problems' (including the illusion of 'boundaries') dissolve/are resolved. All emotional pain arises from attachment (to people, material things, emotions, etc., etc.) which causes suffering, but at our core we are pure love, pure energy. We just are, everything just is, and we are all one. The one thing that suffering teaches us in the end is that we really have no need to suffer.

Infinite love is not another empty slogan. It is the very core of who/what we are, and what we are heading back towards, and to deny that truth is to deny love itself. :)


Sorry, it is a new age concept that boundaries are illusion. You are repeating Eastern teachings or a new age version that emotional pain arises from attachment.
I have seen many times when people who don’t have boundaries attack others. But they don’t even know that they hurting others. The key is to have a high level of emotional awareness. In other words, when people have the high level of emotional awareness they feel others feelings with its subtlety and they can intuit how their emotional response will interact with others emotional reaction. Some psychologists call it a six sense. Unfortunately, there is a very small number of people who meet that criteria. It is a pure delight to be around them. :)


It is a slogan in mouths of those who preach infinitive love in one post and attack others in another. Well, when people are emotionally numb, they replace the real feeling of love that is experienced in our bodies and hearts with words. When people feel love, they don’t have any need to talk about it but manifest in every action.

[gladys]

Sorry, it is a new age concept that boundaries are illusion. You are repeating Eastern teachings or a new age version that emotional pain arises from attachment.
I have seen many times when people who don’t have boundaries attack others. But they don’t even know that they hurting others. The key is to have a high level of emotional awareness. In other words, when people have the high level of emotional awareness they feel others feelings with its subtlety and they can intuit how their emotional response will interact with others emotional reaction. Some psychologists call it a six sense. Unfortunately, there is a very small number of people who meet that criteria. It is a pure delight to be around them. :)


It is a slogan in mouths of those who preach infinitive love in one post and attack others in another. Well, when people are emotionally numb, they replace the real feeling of love that is experienced in our bodies and hearts with words. When people feel love, they don’t have any need to talk about it but manifest in every action.

Where do you think a high level of emotional awareness and 6th sense/intuition comes from? It comes from the heart; as in love. I have personally found that the more you open your heart to love, the more 'aware' and 'intuitive' you naturally become to other peoples feelings (and thoughts), and this is especially apparent between people we love in our immediate environment (family, partners, close friends).

When people learn to love each other the way they would love a beloved, and to love unconditionally, the need to attack anyone would'nt even come into the equation because the the mere thought of hurting anybody becomes a completely alien concept.

The mere fact we are here on this thread, dedicating ourselves to a collective, nightly meditation in the name of love, is because we are sick of the constant barrage of disagreements and attacks that occur on this forum (and in society per se). We are here because we know that love is the only way forward now. And it because of love that we intuited this knowing.

[ftil]

Where do you think a high level of emotional awareness and 6th sense/intuition comes from? It comes from the heart; as in love. I have personally found that the more you open your heart to love, the more 'aware' and 'intuitive' you naturally become to other peoples feelings (and thoughts), and this is especially apparent between people we love in our immediate environment (family, partners, close friends).

When people learn to love each other the way they would love a beloved, and to love unconditionally, the need to attack anyone would'nt even come into the equation because the the mere thought of hurting anybody becomes a completely alien concept.

The mere fact we are here on this thread, dedicating ourselves to a collective, nightly meditation in the name of love, is because we are sick of the constant barrage of disagreements and attacks that occur on this forum (and in society per se). We are here because we know that love is the only way forward now. And it because of love that we intuited this knowing.


Well, if it were that simple as you try to explain we would be living in a perfect world. We are not, are we? It requires inner strengths to undergo the emotional healing. But it is not a left brain activity and it takes time to achieve it. It is simple, yet difficult and only a few have a courage to accomplish it. We can’t feel love before we feel and release pain, fear, rage, and despair. Sorry, I don’t meditate in the name of love. I am an action person and I need practical tools to achieve it. We will never get our bodies back that are vibrant and full of feelings with hearts opened by mediating on love.LOL! But new age belifs takes us away from it.:D:p

[gladys]

Well, if it were that simple as you try to explain we would be living in a perfect world. We are not, are we? It requires inner strengths to undergo the emotional healing. But it is not a left brain activity and it takes time to achieve it. It is simple, yet difficult and only a few have a courage to accomplish it. We can’t feel love before we feel and release pain, fear, rage, and despair. Sorry, I don’t meditate in the name of love. I am an action person and I need practical tools to achieve it. We will never get our bodies back that are vibrant and full of feelings with hearts opened by mediating on love.LOL! But new age belifs takes us away from it.:D:p

The truth is always simple ;)

And i would agree with you (#to a certain extent) that we can't feel love until we have released our pain, fear etc,.......which are in themselves attachments. And i would say that those on this thread are an example of those that have accomplished that....hence the amount of love that emanates from their posts, and their heart-felt desire to heal with this love.

#Suffering in itself can actually open the heart to experience profound love. It is only through the passage of suffering that we can truly empathize with others that are suffering too.

And yes, the world is a far from perfect place. It seriously lacks the only thing that will save it.....LOVE. :)

[gladys]

I have spent all afternoon sobbing, simply so I could share this from my heart. I have not dressed it up, I do not think I will. Please stop scoffing at love.

Karen,
friend, mother, daughter, sister.

If it wasn't for the cotton, I may have forgotten. My beautiful sister, who teased me for being daft, my beautiful sister who hugged me for building a raft. Together we grew in the world that we knew. Dressed through the grace of a coupon, always ran when mother had soup on. If it wasn't for the cotton I may have forgotten. Our dad? He worked hard, frequently violent. Our mum? Delicate and beautiful, painfully silent. I really do miss you and hate being apart, even more so since I opened my heart. You taught me where to poke worms and stroked my head when I had germs. Two plastic phones connected our beds, nothing but love, flowed through our heads. White hot tears burn me now. Two seeds were planted. Two more to sow. Ah, that cotton can not be forgotten. I went of to be brainwashed to kill. You stood elegantly slim, in a delicate dress, with a delicate thrill. When I returned, nearly ten years after. You were 25 stone, ashamed of the laughter. You were still beautiful Karen with children Kelsey and Darren. We talked and connected through our hearts. The kids ran about and ate strawberry tarts. You told me the source of your pain. How your husband shagged tarts down the lane. I got the family together, you came in a taxi, due to the weather. Dad's laughter got higher and higher. You were late, due to a flat tyre. He blamed it all on your weight. I stared at the gate. Inside, you stood and you burned in your shame. I said "FUCK IT", my sister's not to blame. We argued, we eventually saw, that ignorance isn't the law. We laughed and we cried. You went home and you died. The cotton isn't forgotten. Your husband was off down the lane. Children in bed, your chest filled with pain. Asleep on the couch, I answered the door. A copper said, your sister's no more. We all fell apart. You died while he was shagging a tart. After your funeral I took the dog for a walk, no one wanted to talk. I walked twenty two miles, calling the dog, counting the smiles. I never looked back and I never went back. I gave the dog to a friend you would know and strode off with nowhere to go. Homeless and haunted, totally undaunted. Over the years, I have faced some fears and kind of got it together. I have done all sorts of things, in all sorts of weather. Ah I wish you could see me today. There is s6 much we could say. Here's something you'd like. I am writing about love on icke. Ah well it's back to the scoffing, you were laid in your coffin. It's funny how life goes, the cotton hung from your nose.

Raggie, you never cease to amaze me. You are so fearless in your open-heartedness. You are one of the most open, insightful and loving people on this forum, and its a pleasure to know you. Your posts emanate love, and i, for one, am so glad you are here.

I'm sure i speak for all of us when i say thank you, i love you. :)

Your Mom must be very, very, very proud of you.

[ftil]

The truth is always simple ;)

And i would agree with you (#to a certain extent) that we can't feel love until we have released our pain, fear etc,.......which are in themselves attachments. And i would say that those on this thread are an example of those that have accomplished that....hence the amount of love that emanates from their posts, and their heart-felt desire to heal with this love.

#Suffering in itself can actually open the heart to experience profound love. It is only through the passage of suffering that we can truly empathize with others that are suffering too.

And yes, the world is a far from perfect place. It seriously lacks the only thing that will save it.....LOVE. :)


Well, I don’t use new age jargon. ;) They are not attachments. It is another left brain concept that has nothing to do with a real experience of feelings and emotions. It has to be experienced to be understood.
You went back again to the same theoretical concept of love that is explored on a cognitive level. I say slogan because we have to be a change we want to see. Everything else will follow then. But it personal growth and personal responsibility. Sorry, I don’t enjoy that kind of discussion any more. It doesn’t bring any changes but gives of false sense that we are doing something. I freed my mind from any spiritual or religious beliefs. :D:p

[domino1108]

Raggie, you never cease to amaze me. You are so fearless in your open-heartedness. You are one of the most open, insightful and loving people on this forum, and its a pleasure to know you. Your posts emanate love, and i, for one, am so glad you are here.

I'm sure i speak for all of us when i say thank you, i love you. :)

Your Mom must be very, very, very proud of you.

My dearest Gladys, noone will never know how much love and blessings i have for you. you are a shining beacon of love, in the new love resistance, it doesn't matter if we are mocked. or how intellectual diversion can derail our hearts to being the strongest and best we can all be.

I am proud. FUCKINGGGGG PROUD to be a part of the freaks and perfect failures we are trying to forge a rod of truth and move out of our withered emotions into a forged kingdom of titanium molleculed diamond tipped Rod of love, that is showing their Arms in defiance against the true base and structure of all energy in this universe, the one that gets us home.

Anyone however different of culture and race, who have been through the lives or severe torture and pain. on all levels, and seeing the blood from hate reign down child after child after children dies and starve for the sakes of the unworthy cause of a first world society, born on hate, bred on fear and bleeding from every orifice of its Frankenstein structure.

So when you know. and you see and you feeel the depths of the water of life. rinsing your soul of its sadness and its grief, and its hurt, and its marrowbone deep cored disillusioned of a lost sou,l deceived of its true nature. twisted and formed into a generic model of the edifice of shit that is.

When you know that hate, indifference,pain and fear hasn't worked as a solution. Love hasn't been given a go. for obvious reasons.

No one aspires to be perfect, but they aspire to being of love, so that through that and in unity of love, we try to take this game a different direction. The much bigger game of knowing through love we connect to all that is, forever and ever. Once its truly touched you, truly. And it comes at great cost in some. And then you know this is what all human beings so badly badly need. Is just some love.

Who doesn't want to not be tortured and hurt, and fucked in the arse forever by hate and non acceptance So when you see a beacon, a light in the wind. You must protect or you will only kill yourself.

Because it is about relations with your fellow man and undertsanding one another, and also knowing when you have made a point. good or bad, its just what we believe, it should not divide us.

I am proud to be a part of what i know is the transformation of all humanity, where we once made planets, and also blew up whole universes, it was fun, i apologise. But i want to die knowing i gave it my best shot.

I would walk through fire for love, i may have too, but knowing i am love,

I AM NOT SCARED

I DO NOT FEAR

repeat this, until you cant breathe no more. because your whole life, this running multidimensional shared society consciousness has been echoing these words. Silently blasting the human consciousness.

I AM FEAR

I AM DEATH

I AM NOTHING

And heres another thing. I dont believe all this.

I KNOW WE ARE EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHINGS WITHIN US. AND ITS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

Its a choice, being at one with the universe, and being who and what you are with no need to defend it. or impose it, but know who and what you are and free to be that. with no fear to crawl in you with its claws and pull your heart out. Some people so filled with fear they hate love. its painful, thats why men pummel their wives, because they are afraid to love. Its been gutted from them through experience. In everyone to some extent, everyone.

When i decided to not let hate and fear rule my life, and its something i fight badly at times, none of us are free from the society bred skin we have forged over most of our life. We will screw up, but thats because we are human. And humanity's taken a beaten on this planet for thousands of years, and because of the faith building in the power of unity and caring for our brothers, who are joining with us now. Coming together in the belly of full redemption.

In the End we wont never need to raise a fist, that blinding,bonding light will dissolve everything, when we all come together as one and push forward, forever. And that place is now.

Nobody's gone so far, or fallen so hard, ITS IN YOU!!! Always has been. and forever will be.

Even if you hate me, i would still die for you

[ftil]

Domino1108,

Hey, you have made me laugh reading your long post. When you are in love with life, you would want to dance with strangers. People can feel it and they don’t need big words. :) The rest is history and people are waking up to from it. :D:p

[gladys]

Thank you so much for your kind words.
People say that its a form of fakery because they can't grasp the concept that you want to live in love - and they try their hardest to knock you - make you react with malice - but its true that those that seek to point out others failings wouldn't take so much pleasure in it if they didn't have many of their own. I have many I know, but I try to embrace the positive and open my arms to those that want solace. I have been told I think I'm 'up myself' for thinking I have the right to be able to offer assistance. I do think yeah who the hell am I to be able to guide another - but I'm nobody I'm just me doing what I feel I'm here to do. I'm bound to meet darker entities that want to sabotage it and try to fill me with doubt.
Once you allow yourself to be pulled into the negative energy it's a breeding ground for bad things to manifest
Yeah it's been challenging, but I won't give up love for hate - Never - even if it's a solo mission.
:)

There is so much truth and wisdom in this post. Thank you Codie :)

[gladys]

No one aspires to be perfect, but they aspire to being of love, so that through that and in unity of love, we try to take this game a different direction. The much bigger game of knowing through love we connect to all that is, forever and ever. Once its truly touched you, truly, and it comes at great cost in some, then you know this is what all human beings so badly badly need. Is just some love.


Amen to that!!

Much love to you Domino.....and thanks :)

[domino1108]

:D:D:D i luffffffff youuuuuuuuuuuuuu *huggys for everyone*

[domino1108]

Domino1108,

Hey, you have made me laugh reading your long post. When you are in love with life, you would want to dance with strangers. People can feel it and they don’t need big words. :) The rest is history and people are waking up to from it. :D:p

New age, religion. spirituality. for me is rubbish also. But i love. and i try to do what is right.

love is not an intangible concept steeped in mysticism, its simply to care for. to nurture, to set free, and to accept. To accept unconditionally, those who you agree with, and do not.

But its not my job nor virtue to change anybodys mind, but i will share my experience in an example of what love did for me.

i know you love art, but i would never ridicule your taste in it as its your choice, your love.

But if people on a forum, share a common bond, surely in unconditional acceptance of that, you say ok, fair enough. i dont agree. And you walk away.

This comes from respect of peoples choices, this comes from unconditional acceptance.

[domino1108]

Amen to that!!

Much love to you Domino.....and thanks :)

pleasure my dear friend, this is trully something here that will transcend this forum, its much bigger than that, and its the right time. Bless you all and David:D:D

[ftil]

New age, religion. spirituality. for me is rubbish also. But i love. and i try to do what is right.

love is not an intangible concept steeped in mysticism, its simply to care for. to nurture, to set free, and to accept. To accept unconditionally, those who you agree with, and do not.

But its not my job nor virtue to change anybodys mind, but i will share my experience in an example of what love did for me.

i know you love art, but i would never ridicule your taste in it as its your choice, your love.

But if people on a forum, share a common bond, surely in unconditional acceptance of that, you say ok, fair enough. i dont agree. And you walk away.

This comes from respect of peoples choices, this comes from unconditional acceptance.


I think that the most important is having integrity and be honest with ourselves and with others no matter what. Nothing can be worse than self-betrayal. ;)

Hey, you may express your feelings about the art I post. I wouldn’t take it personally but it would give me the knowledge who you are. I get to know more about person when I see the art he chooses that through words as art reflects our mental and emotional states. :)

[domino1108]

I think that the most important is having integrity and be honest with ourselves and with others no matter what. Nothing can be worse than self-betrayal. ;)

Hey, you may express your feelings about the art I post. I wouldn’t take it personally but it would give me the knowledge who you are. I get to know more about person when I see the art he chooses that through words as art reflects our mental and emotional states. :)

And Music:)

[raggie]

Raggie, you never cease to amaze me. You are so fearless in your open-heartedness. You are one of the most open, insightful and loving people on this forum, and its a pleasure to know you. Your posts emanate love, and i, for one, am so glad you are here.

I'm sure i speak for all of us when i say thank you, i love you. :)

Your Mom must be very, very, very proud of you.

I have no idea how proud my mom may be. I tried a family reunion a few years ago and it ended up with me, pissed, throwing her to the floor and trying to strangle her. Some point after that my dad died. I have no idea if my mother is proud of me. She still lives and I know not where. That was then. This is now, and my love burns. It aches to be released. Not in a fountain of spunk, but in a fountain of honest, pure driven love. I do not want to cum inside you, I want to become beside you. I am a bit shredded at the moment. It was painfull to write about my sister. I am haunted. I have replanted a barren forest. I am not going to give up. Yeah I may come across as weird, who doesn't? David Icke has given us the platform to change. We can dance, we can sing. We can do what we want in the name of love. We can change our world. It is ours to change. How can we not love each other?

[ftil]

And Music:)

I only use music to dance. ;)

[yass]

I have no idea how proud my mom may be. I tried a family reunion a few years ago and it ended up with me, pissed, throwing her to the floor and trying to strangle her. Some point after that my dad died. I have no idea if my mother is proud of me. She still lives and I know not where. That was then. This is now, and my love burns. It aches to be released. Not in a fountain of spunk, but in a fountain of honest, pure driven love. I do not want to cum inside you, I want to become beside you. I am a bit shredded at the moment. It was painfull to write about my sister. I am haunted. I have replanted a barren forest. I am not going to give up. Yeah I may come across as weird, who doesn't? David Icke has given us the platform to change. We can dance, we can sing. We can do what we want in the name of love. We can change our world. It is ours to change. How can we not love each other?

That brings back a memory. One time when I was pretty young.. teenage.. at the ranch house out in the boonies of the Arizona desert, my mom went to wake up the youngest of my three older brothers who is a couple years older than me. She couldn't get him to wake up so she went and got cold water (I don't believe I'd ever seen her do that before) and she poured it on him.. what I saw wake up though seemed about like a monster. I recall him going to the kitchen sink angrily, plugging the stopper and pouring water in. Then I saw him take my mothers head and start bending it toward the sink full of water :eek: I was like 'What are you doing!? Stop that!!!'. He did come around, come back to his senses, and stop... but not before he scared her good by putting her through that test. Though I suppose it's not really funny, or was less than funny at the time, but it makes me laugh every time I think about it, haha.

[raggie]

That brings back a memory. One time when I was pretty young.. teenage.. at the ranch house out in the boonies of the Arizona desert, my mom went to wake up the youngest of my three older brothers who is a couple years older than me. She couldn't get him to wake up so she went and got cold water (I don't believe I'd ever seen her do that before) and she poured it on him.. what I saw wake up though seemed about like a monster. I recall him going to the kitchen sink angrily, plugging the stopper and pouring water in. Then I saw him take my mothers head and start bending it toward the sink full of water :eek: I was like 'What are you doing!? Stop that!!!'. He did come around, come back to his senses, and stop... but not before he scared her good by putting her through that test. Though I suppose it's not really funny, or was less than funny at the time, but it makes me laugh every time I think about it, haha.

ah I remember the night I had a go at my mum. I was on medication, having had yet another breakdown. I had been drinking heavily and my other sister thought it would be a good idea to suprise me with a visit from my mother. For ten minutes everything was fine. Then we got to talking about my sister who had died. I had buried all the resentment and blame I felt towards my parents for the way they had ridiculed my sister over her weight. At some point my mum ridiculed my sister's memory and argued that she deserved all that she got. I ended up walking from Bradford to Leeds through the middle of the night and that was another long walk with a head full of horror. To be sure it wasn't a good night for unconditional love. That was the first time I had seen my mum since my sister died and the last time I saw her. I know I will never see her again. Depression, repression, medication and alcohol certainly played their part. However I have to take responsibility for my behavour that night also. It's a harsh world, sometimes made harsher through our own reactions to certain events.

[yinology]

I've not read this whole thread, but from what I gather, there seems to be a duel between love and truth.

Can they not exist simultaneously?

See, the thing is, even though some say truth is more important than love, and some say love is more important than truth, just the fact that groups of people acknowldge both, whether the people agree with each other or not, both love and truth are in existence together.

Should the goal not be acceptance?

It is human nature to judge - judgement is not negative, you pass judgement when you cross a road.
You live in a world where you must take conditional actions in order to survive, to act without conditions or boundaries is to put yourself and others at risk.

Morals, and principals are conditions. The concept of unconditional love itself is a condition of being, if you see it this way it's actually a contradiction in terms.

So, can love ever truly be unconditional?
Can anything?

I think all aspects of life should be integrated into the being, otherwise you are only seeing a fraction of the picture, and then how can you be the best you can be if you are only focused on a fraction of reality?

[yass]

I've not read this whole thread, but from what I gather, there seems to be a duel between love and truth.

Can they not exist simultaneously?

See, the thing is, even though some say truth is more important than love, and some say love is more important than truth, just the fact that groups of people acknowldge both, whether the people agree with each other or not, both love and truth are in existence together.

Should the goal not be acceptance?

It is human nature to judge - judgement is not negative, you pass judgement when you cross a road.
You live in a world where you must take conditional actions in order to survive, to act without conditions or boundaries is to put yourself and others at risk.

Morals, and principals are conditions. The concept of unconditional love itself is a condition of being, if you see it this way it's actually a contradiction in terms.

So, can love ever truly be unconditional?
Can anything?

I think all aspects of life should be integrated into the being, otherwise you are only seeing a fraction of the picture, and then how can you be the best you can be if you are only focused on a fraction of reality?
Excellent post, thank you.

[302bluefog]

Some people get extra love, others get none. Cold world, dress warm.

[consciousness]

with knowledge comes ego, with love comes peace

[equinoxboy]

What a beautiful thread.

Giving love is not enough. It is equally important to accept love.

Love

[lonestar]

so true, how can we communicate our own experiences of knowing love given as freely as one would give oneself a glance in a mirror? Does anyone have any stories of how unconditional love has been experienced in their own lives?

nice thread thank you.

first let me say that im sorry for my writing skills but i did not fit very well into the education system. lots of drugs and pink floyd got me through it.

I have been surrounded by "uncondtional love" all my life. as a kid i was in and out of juvenile detention centers, but my mom and dad gave me lots of love to help me get through this rage i had against society. i use to pick fights with guys who i had no doubt would kick my ass but in some sick way we all got off on the pain. but my parents strong love got me through it.

then i married a very loving women who has also helped me not fuck it all up again by giving me lots of unconditional love. Now i have two very loving kids, and everything was cool up until i discovered that the 1% who controls the 99% are about to lose CONTROL of the 99% ????

at first i panicked and tried to figure out how to get off the grid. its freakin impossible.... so i finally just accepted what was coming and up until a few months ago i was one of the people you were talking about. i was just enjoying watching the train wreck while eating popcorn.

but thanks to this forum im now VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE AWAKENED TO LOVE!!!!!!!! and i have no doubt that love will get us ALL through this struggle too.

[equinoxboy]

nice thread thank you.

first let me say that im sorry for my writing skills but i did not fit very well into the education system. lots of drugs and pink floyd got me through it.

I have been surrounded by "uncondtional love" all my life. as a kid i was in and out of juvenile detention centers, but my mom and dad gave me lots of love to help me get through this rage i had against society. i use to pick fights with guys who i had no doubt would kick my ass but in some sick way we all got off on the pain. but my parents strong love got me through it.

then i married a very loving women who has also helped me not fuck it all up again by giving me lots of unconditional love. Now i have two very loving kids, and everything was cool up until i discovered that the 1% who controls the 99% are about to lose CONTROL of the 99% ????

at first i panicked and tried to figure out how to get off the grid. its freakin impossible.... so i finally just accepted what was coming and up until a few months ago i was one of the people you were talking about. i was just enjoying watching the train wreck while eating popcorn.

but thanks to this forum im now VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE AWAKENED TO LOVE!!!!!!!! and i have no doubt that love will get us ALL through this struggle too.

It's posts like this that remind me how good it is to be alive. :D

Love

[knowthyself1]

Good post I totally agree.

Many people still need to come to realisation that truth IS love.

[raggie]

nice thread thank you.

first let me say that im sorry for my writing skills but i did not fit very well into the education system. lots of drugs and pink floyd got me through it.

I have been surrounded by "uncondtional love" all my life. as a kid i was in and out of juvenile detention centers, but my mom and dad gave me lots of love to help me get through this rage i had against society. i use to pick fights with guys who i had no doubt would kick my ass but in some sick way we all got off on the pain. but my parents strong love got me through it.

then i married a very loving women who has also helped me not fuck it all up again by giving me lots of unconditional love. Now i have two very loving kids, and everything was cool up until i discovered that the 1% who controls the 99% are about to lose CONTROL of the 99% ????

at first i panicked and tried to figure out how to get off the grid. its freakin impossible.... so i finally just accepted what was coming and up until a few months ago i was one of the people you were talking about. i was just enjoying watching the train wreck while eating popcorn.

but thanks to this forum im now VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE AWAKENED TO LOVE!!!!!!!! and i have no doubt that love will get us ALL through this struggle too.

ah thanks. I have been lacking inspiration and energy lately. I understand what you say about picking fights with people. I once read something by Henry Rollins, ex Black Flag. He said that for him it was akin to dancing at times. I understood that instantly. Somedays I fully understand how easy it is to allow love to just wash over me and more recently it has gotten harder and harder. Yet I do know that love is all we are. Nothing more and nothing less. I can actually feel it wash through me. I worry that there are limited ways of demonstrating this on a forum and we end up apologising for our lack of writing skills, because this forum is a hell hole where we are chastised instantly for any gaps we may have in our understanding. I have started coming here less and less, even though it is the best home I have ever had. I really do hope that somehow we will understand, in this home of ours, that love knows nothing of academic qualification. It knows nothing of ego and one upmanship. It knows nothing of the past and cares not for the future. Love knows only love. Love knows you, and it knows me, far more than either of us could ever begin to hope to understand or know it.

[ufochick]

When we have reached the point where attacks are received with pity for the attacker, when those who are angry with us are treated with compassion, when we can observe our lives from slightly above them and when we allow others to spiritually grow at their own rate we ourselves are progressing.

[rainbowdear]

i love animals...are we allowed to extend our love tothose poor creatures?
Yesterday was there "Feast"...a feast day is the day a saint is celebrated; namely the day he died. That is the day picked to remember him.
Yesterday 5th november was the Feast of the Sheep or Big Big Sacrifice Day for muslims.
In France 200 000 sheep were slaughter; that is they had their throats cut without thier heads bushed in first...and the heart was still beating whilst it took minutes for them to empty of their blood.
This is the name of god but is it a god of mercy for mercy implies love of all things doesn't it?
the jewish religion also applied such ruthless rites inherited from Sumeria ( Abraham or his people were supposed to have left Ur in Sumeria)...Blood rites re attached to Sumerian ancient gods.
Well sory i am in mourning since yesterday for the poor creatures...4 000 cows were also "sacrificed" for the purpose????what other religion still kills animals in the name of the god of creation????????:(

[akosta]

i love animals...are we allowed to extend our love tothose poor creatures?
Yesterday was there "Feast"...a feast day is the day a saint is celebrated; namely the day he died. That is the day picked to remember him.
Yesterday 5th november was the Feast of the Sheep or Big Big Sacrifice Day for muslims.
In France 200 000 sheep were slaughter; that is they had their throats cut without thier heads bushed in first...and the heart was still beating whilst it took minutes for them to empty of their blood.
This is the name of god but is it a god of mercy for mercy implies love of all things doesn't it?
the jewish religion also applied such ruthless rites inherited from Sumeria ( Abraham or his people were supposed to have left Ur in Sumeria)...Blood rites re attached to Sumerian ancient gods.
Well sory i am in mourning since yesterday for the poor creatures...4 000 cows were also "sacrificed" for the purpose????what other religion still kills animals in the name of the god of creation????????:(

they really do that? the whole killing without breaking the neck first?

[gladys]

Yet I do know that love is all we are. Nothing more and nothing less. I can actually feel it wash through me. I worry that there are limited ways of demonstrating this on a forum and we end up apologising for our lack of writing skills, because this forum is a hell hole where we are chastised instantly for any gaps we may have in our understanding. I have started coming here less and less, even though it is the best home I have ever had. I really do hope that somehow we will understand, in this home of ours, that love knows nothing of academic qualification. It knows nothing of ego and one upmanship. It knows nothing of the past and cares not for the future. Love knows only love. Love knows you, and it knows me, far more than either of us could ever begin to hope to understand or know it.

Totally fantastic post. :)

[lonestar]

I really do hope that somehow we will understand, in this home of ours, that love knows nothing of academic qualification. It knows nothing of ego and one upmanship. It knows nothing of the past and cares not for the future. Love knows only love. Love knows you, and it knows me, far more than either of us could ever begin to hope to understand or know it.

yes yes yes! now that im dropping a lot of my ego and have started to become more at peace with myself im finding it very hard to relate to this crazy world we live in! lol

its like EVERYTHING is a DUEL! and thats all people want to talk about with each other!!!!!

sports, relationships, politics, all kinds of ISM'S... its madness!

I've never been a religious person but i really get this quote now.

" Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves."

I've always had a big heart but with a strong shield. like if you ever fucked me i would be unforgiving. but now that im letting my guard down and being like sheep among wolves Ive learned that instead of telling the person to please STFU about this negative crap that not only do i not want to hear about it but its none of your fucking business, now instead I gently move the conversation to something more helpful to the world like LOVE. you know, sneaky like a snake.:D

[wounded dragon]

i love animals...are we allowed to extend our love tothose poor creatures?
Yesterday was there "Feast"...a feast day is the day a saint is celebrated; namely the day he died. That is the day picked to remember him.
Yesterday 5th november was the Feast of the Sheep or Big Big Sacrifice Day for muslims.
In France 200 000 sheep were slaughter; that is they had their throats cut without thier heads bushed in first...and the heart was still beating whilst it took minutes for them to empty of their blood.
This is the name of god but is it a god of mercy for mercy implies love of all things doesn't it?
the jewish religion also applied such ruthless rites inherited from Sumeria ( Abraham or his people were supposed to have left Ur in Sumeria)...Blood rites re attached to Sumerian ancient gods.
Well sory i am in mourning since yesterday for the poor creatures...4 000 cows were also "sacrificed" for the purpose????what other religion still kills animals in the name of the god of creation????????:(

yes, i would like it if all these love thieves would put it to good use like applying it to stopping the chickens from having their beaks chopped off, excrutiatingly painful for them, sometimes excrutiatingly painful for their whole lives ! Love is not a resource to be attracted by humans to benefit humans and love can also be stern treatment towards those that promote torture of humans and beings, the truth is all important and i am disgusted in this thread

[wounded dragon]

When we have reached the point where attacks are received with pity for the attacker, when those who are angry with us are treated with compassion, when we can observe our lives from slightly above them and when we allow others to spiritually grow at their own rate we ourselves are progressing.

you seem to think that the evil ones will grow spiritually of their own accord and that thinking oneself better than them because one is ignoring what they are doing is a way to grow personally, you also seem to believe that the harm being caused is due to people getting angry with each other, this is not how the elitests operate they are cruel and calculating but they do not attack us out of anger, in fact in many pictures they seem like a really happy bunch of people, filled with stolen love energy perhaps ? getting the love for oneself is not the goal here folks and tough love may not seem loving to the reciever but could be incredibly loving to those that they have influence over, you seem to be blaming other truth seekers while suggesting we lay down for the terrorists, focus on the problem at hand not on ignoring and thinking oneself better than those that disagree with your beliefs on how to better things for yourself

[wounded dragon]

rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth

[raggie]

yes yes yes! now that im dropping a lot of my ego and have started to become more at peace with myself im finding it very hard to relate to this crazy world we live in! lol

its like EVERYTHING is a DUEL! and thats all people want to talk about with each other!!!!!

sports, relationships, politics, all kinds of ISM'S... its madness!

I've never been a religious person but i really get this quote now.

" Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves."

I've always had a big heart but with a strong shield. like if you ever fucked me i would be unforgiving. but now that im letting my guard down and being like sheep among wolves Ive learned that instead of telling the person to please STFU about this negative crap that not only do i not want to hear about it but its none of your fucking business, now instead I gently move the conversation to something more helpful to the world like LOVE. you know, sneaky like a snake.:D

brilliant lonestar, sneaky like a snake made me smile on an otherwise grey day. Thanks.

[lonestar]

Lilou Mace - Power of forgiveness and Prayers - Howard Wills[/B][/U]

6th Nov 2011


Power of forgiveness and Prayers - Howard Wills. - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adjkvD93qeI




i love this interview!

[cecil1]

Love is the truth

[lonestar]

thats right and the more we practice Love, the sooner it happens for all of us.

[wounded dragon]

thats right and the more we practice Love, the sooner it happens for all of us.

if somebody kicks a dog it is not good to reward them by being loving towards them, this provides reward for bad behaviour, and this encourages the person to kick more dogs

though perhaps if the definition of love is to be understood as that which benefits creations beings then perhaps it would be good to love the person for their bad behaviour by punishing them and saving them from torturing their soul further by discouraging them from repeating their bad behaviour

i am of the firm opinion that making people accountable for their wrong doings is loving including towards the perpetrator in the long run

anger is a useful tool when it is restrained, it is a natural emotion and there are times when action stemming from anger brings about change for the better

i believe those at the top to be greedy, cruel and evil and i see no reason to love them for it especially in the sense of being nice to them, they need to be stopped, forgive them when they have changed their ways, do not forgive and forget as a general apathetic rule which enables them to commit further attrocities

do you supporters of love as the solution feel it is not right to be angry at the men who rape and murder innocent children and those people that encourage them to do it, should we be even nicer to them ? do you think this would be loving towards the next victim ? who do you support

people who are cruel make me ropable and people saying we should love evil beings and behaviour really make me angry, and i believe i have every right to be angry at those evil people and those people that advise we should encourage evil behaviour by rewarding those who commit it

justice please

the truth is we are in a world where we are being bombarded with propoganda to condition us to allow evil to take total control over us and it is vital that the real truths are communicated and appropriate disciplinary action is taken

this post has been written in anger and love, love for good not love or encouragement for greed or cruelty

ps divine love is not infinite, if there was enough for everyone including the greedy to have all they want then thats what we would all have, in reality though, while there is enough love to make all people if they are not greedy happy, the greedy are never satisfied no matter how much they are brimming with it and others are doing without as a result, i call it stealing from the sparrow, i also call it greed and greed is the root to evil

[wounded dragon]

wikileaks
ARMY - BEATING & KILLING KIDS !!! (WIKILEAKS) - YouTube!

[equinoxboy]

yes yes yes! now that im dropping a lot of my ego and have started to become more at peace with myself im finding it very hard to relate to this crazy world we live in! lol

its like EVERYTHING is a DUEL! and thats all people want to talk about with each other!!!!!

sports, relationships, politics, all kinds of ISM'S... its madness!

I've never been a religious person but i really get this quote now.

" Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves."

I've always had a big heart but with a strong shield. like if you ever fucked me i would be unforgiving. but now that im letting my guard down and being like sheep among wolves Ive learned that instead of telling the person to please STFU about this negative crap that not only do i not want to hear about it but its none of your fucking business, now instead I gently move the conversation to something more helpful to the world like LOVE. you know, sneaky like a snake.:D

Excellent! See the game. Stop playing the game. Play own game. Love. Good news, Lonestar!

Love

[lonestar]

if somebody kicks a dog it is not good to reward them by being loving towards them, this provides reward for bad behaviour, and this encourages the person to kick more dogs

though perhaps if the definition of love is to be understood as that which benefits creations beings then perhaps it would be good to love the person for their bad behaviour by punishing them and saving them from torturing their soul further by discouraging them from repeating their bad behaviour

i am of the firm opinion that making people accountable for their wrong doings is loving including towards the perpetrator in the long run

anger is a useful tool when it is restrained, it is a natural emotion and there are times when action stemming from anger brings about change for the better

i believe those at the top to be greedy, cruel and evil and i see no reason to love them for it especially in the sense of being nice to them, they need to be stopped, forgive them when they have changed their ways, do not forgive and forget as a general apathetic rule which enables them to commit further attrocities

do you supporters of love as the solution feel it is not right to be angry at the men who rape and murder innocent children and those people that encourage them to do it, should we be even nicer to them ? do you think this would be loving towards the next victim ? who do you support

people who are cruel make me ropable and people saying we should love evil beings and behaviour really make me angry, and i believe i have every right to be angry at those evil people and those people that advise we should encourage evil behaviour by rewarding those who commit it

justice please

the truth is we are in a world where we are being bombarded with propoganda to condition us to allow evil to take total control over us and it is vital that the real truths are communicated and appropriate disciplinary action is taken

this post has been written in anger and love, love for good not love or encouragement for greed or cruelty

ps divine love is not infinite, if there was enough for everyone including the greedy to have all they want then thats what we would all have, in reality though, while there is enough love to make all people if they are not greedy happy, the greedy are never satisfied no matter how much they are brimming with it and others are doing without as a result, i call it stealing from the sparrow, i also call it greed and greed is the root to evil

I hear you Wounded Dragon, not too long ago i felt the same way. In fact i wasted many years of my life hating a very cruel and bitter old man who lives behind me. he treats his dogs awful and he once told me that the only reason he keeps the animals is to protect his crap from be stolen from the other animals. (brown people) he blames all the worlds problems on brown people and loves to tell me this knowing that my wife is hispanic and my kids are biracial. he knows that i dont watch the news and in some sick way feels obliged to inform me about how either our military is killing brown people or how brown people are killing other brown people. its like he somehow lives and thrives off witnessing the suffering?:confused: his family comes to visit him once in awile but they have admitted to me that they all hate him and that he's just too mean to die.

Fuck Karma this man is living a nightmare right at this very moment and i refuse to be a part of it anymore.

The sick and hatful people that are currently running this planet are also living in a nightmare. you can see it in their faces! everything they are doing right now to try and keep this fucked up nightmare of a system together is just helping the collapse. i have no doubt that in the end they will attempt to take everyone down with them but im going to be as far away from their hate and greed game as i can. sure i need to keep my day job to keep a roof over my kids head. but thats it! we are always trying to live as simple as we can and besides most of the best things in life are FREE!

You want to win at their game?....stop playing it. their game of hate and greed is almost over and its time for us to grow up and start allowing ourselves to see the love all around us in everybody and everything and I think thats the solution to get us out of this mess.

[wounded dragon]

I hear you Wounded Dragon, not too long ago i felt the same way. In fact i wasted many years of my life hating a very cruel and bitter old man who lives behind me. he treats his dogs awful and he once told me that the only reason he keeps the animals is to protect his crap from be stolen from the other animals. (brown people) he blames all the worlds problems on brown people and loves to tell me this knowing that my wife is hispanic and my kids are biracial. he knows that i dont watch the news and in some sick way feels obliged to inform me about how either our military is killing brown people or how brown people are killing other brown people. its like he somehow lives and thrives off witnessing the suffering?:confused: his family comes to visit him once in awile but they have admitted to me that they all hate him and that he's just too mean to die.

Fuck Karma this man is living a nightmare right at this very moment and i refuse to be a part of it anymore.

The sick and hatful people that are currently running this planet are also living in a nightmare. you can see it in their faces! everything they are doing right now to try and keep this fucked up nightmare of a system together is just helping the collapse. i have no doubt that in the end they will attempt to take everyone down with them but im going to be as far away from their hate and greed game as i can. sure i need to keep my day job to keep a roof over my kids head. but thats it! we are always trying to live as simple as we can and besides most of the best things in life are FREE!

You want to win at their game?....stop playing it. their game of hate and greed is almost over and its time for us to grow up and start allowing ourselves to see the love all around us in everybody and everything and I think thats the solution to get us out of this mess.

i have never hated anyone, my post was about not rewarding bad behaviour...... to the point of being prepared to punish (this could be with the force of the law) if the person behaving badly will not cease to do so

it is because of peoples anger towards the inhumane treatment of most of humanity that there is hope that the evil doers will not succeed

[raggie]

I do get angry. I get angry with me for allowing my heart to become neglected and forgotten. I see no need to punish myself. I get angry when I read about the boys in blue, once aligned alongside their people, provoking, cajoling and encouraging loving, peacefull fellow humans to get angry at them, so that their adrenelin rush can flow. I see no need to punish them. I get angry with myself for failing to notice the transistion from boys in blue to thugs in riot gear. I see no need to punish myself. I get angry when I read about how we have all been duped, even the boys in riot gear, by the cabal. I am often disapointed at the behavour of our species, to our own and other species on this planet. I don't get angry and I don't seek retribution. I trust in the process and I forgive. In my life, so far, I have found forgiveness to be a useful tool in eliminating anger. I see no use for punishment. I see every need to educate, nurture and love.
*EDIT*
I would have those that have transgressed live among us as equals. I would have them know us. I would have them understand us. I would have them be one of us, to exist, not in the name of a faceless myth but in their own name, the name of love.

[lonestar]

Nice food for thought. thanks everyone.

I dont angry too much anymore but i do get disapointed at myself, my fellow human beings, and even at animals sometimes in this crazy world we live in.

For example one day i heard this awful sound of a animal moaning in a lot of pain. And then i heard a lady screaming. it turns out a couple of stray dogs had her cat in their jaws and were happily playing tug of war with it.:mad: we were unable to get the dogs to let go of the cat until the cat finally stopped moaning and died and then the dogs got bored with it and joyfully walked away. the lady began crying after losing her cat of 12 years and i thought should i chase after the dogs and punish them?:confused:

can anyone tell me why this unncessary suffering happens in this world we live in?

and should we even have a world where animals of differnet species live happily together all the time?

I cant make no sense of it!:confused: but i do know that Fear, hate and suspicion have replaced Love and thats why im trying to just focus my attention on all the LOVE in this world and use it as a kinda shield to protect me form all this confusion.

Maybe love is all we really need?

[raggie]

Nice post lonestar. I think one of the battles we need to win, is the one that settles the argument as to, is love is all we need or simply all we are?

[lonestar]

Nice post lonestar. I think one of the battles we need to win, is the one that settles the argument as to, is love is all we need or simply all we are?

yes thank you. and thats what i want to explore. I want to do some sincere self-work about the meaning of love. More than just learning to love my own thoughts about love.

does that make sense?:)

[raggie]

yes thank you. and thats what i want to explore. I want to do some sincere self-work about the meaning of love. More than just learning to love my own thoughts about love.

does that make sense?:)
it makes perfect sense to me
as a writer I have found it very easy to love my own thoughts about love and as a human being I have found it a challenge to live as love. For to do so means to adopt an honesty, often only imagined, as a way of being. I have found that my misunderstanding of this can lead to a perceived pain within me. Yet I feel really close to understanding that the fortresses I have built within my being to keep me safe, do so at the cost of denying me contact with those I would love naturally. We have a duty of care to ourselves to know the true purpose and consequences of the drawbridges we raise and lower.

[lonestar]

yup Ive been reading about love and near death experiences and a lot say things like: its not a feeling, or even a feeling of sadness for someone else, its not an emotion.



"Before my near death experience I thought I knew what Love was all about. But I was wrong. The feeling of love is central to a near death experience, even when there is no light, there is love. There is only one kind of Love as shown by the experience — unconditional Love. It is a state of mind, a state of being, that brings comfort, peace, and joy to those who cultivate it. It is a power, or force that impels one to care, and heal others. Often overlooked in near death experiences is the healing power of Love, healing for the giver as well as the given. You can not give without receiving, so give Love if you would have it.

Many people are unhappy with their lives. They don’t have enough, enough of anything. Money, fame, position, material possessions, etc., the list is endless. What they lack is Love. They usually have some wrong ideas about what Love is, and how it works. Near death experiencers are changed by the Love they encounter, they are different, more loving, kind, compassionate. It doesn’t happen automatically, they have to work at it, but having experienced it, they know the value of what they are doing. This could be a beautiful world, if we all lived in the state of Love.

Those who feel Love, and other positive emotions are “touchy-feely” events done by weak individuals to ingratiate themselves with others don’t know what Love means. It takes courage, and determination to walk the path of Love. Love brings meaning and purpose to life, it brings peace, and joy. Love increases knowledge and understanding of life, Love is logical and rational. Love is who you are, waiting for discovery"


http://www.aleroy.com/blog/archives/13

[raggie]

I have never had a near death experience, even though I have nearly died a few times. You speak of love in a way that I hope to fully understand. My experience with love has come from a background of lack. I was born in the early sixties with tubercolosis. My dad was stationed in the Army and lived away from the hospital I was taken to after birth. I was in hospital for eighteen months, during which time, my mum visited me twice and my dad once. I know this because they told me. I have no memory of being in the hospital. My mum told me that she once took a bus and a train home and was sat down with a cup of tea before she realised I was sat in my pram outside the last shop she had visited. Makes me wonder what I believed about the world at this point. I have spent the majority of my life aching to undo the unknown damage caused to me and I have caused plenty of damage to those who would help me in the process. To give myself up to unconditional love is proving to be both a torture and a joy, a torture because it takes a fucking hell of a lot of courage to be truly honest with oneself and a joy because the benefits gained from demonstrating such courage far outweighs any perceived costs. I am hoping to understand that within love there are no costs.

[cecil1]

The problem is that people still think love is an emotion.

[lonestar]

I have never had a near death experience, even though I have nearly died a few times. You speak of love in a way that I hope to fully understand. My experience with love has come from a background of lack. I was born in the early sixties with tubercolosis. My dad was stationed in the Army and lived away from the hospital I was taken to after birth. I was in hospital for eighteen months, during which time, my mum visited me twice and my dad once. I know this because they told me. I have no memory of being in the hospital. My mum told me that she once took a bus and a train home and was sat down with a cup of tea before she realised I was sat in my pram outside the last shop she had visited. Makes me wonder what I believed about the world at this point. I have spent the majority of my life aching to undo the unknown damage caused to me and I have caused plenty of damage to those who would help me in the process. To give myself up to unconditional love is proving to be both a torture and a joy, a torture because it takes a fucking hell of a lot of courage to be truly honest with oneself and a joy because the benefits gained from demonstrating such courage far outweighs any perceived costs. I am hoping to understand that within love there are no costs.

what a powerful post Raggie!

I dont know what you do in life but its very obvious to me that you have the special gift of inspiring people, putting them at ease, and helping them to open up and be real. its a very cool gift you have!

my gift is being able to work with troubled kids. i use to think it was because i use to be a juvenile delinquent but now i think it has to do with something more.:) One of my favorite jobs working with kids was when we would take the inner city kids out of the city and deep into the remote woods.(i hope equinox boy is lurking and reading this because im sure he can relate :)) we would plan very intense 5-7 day hikes that were over 50 miles and usually all kinds of things would go wrong. LOL like we would let the kids handle the maps and we always got lost. :D i use to tell the kids that i really didnt care if we ever found our way out of the woods. the kids thought i was kidding but the staff knew i wasnt! lol (i love nature and feel at home in it) The kids always felt like they had accomplished something very extraodinary after we completed the ordeal. they would start off all tough and hard but leave humbled and KIDS AGAIN.:) it was awesome to see how fast the kids would change when you took them temporarily out of a negative environment. yes they would end up going back to the gang life or selling drugs but at least they had something in their minds of an experience that they would never forget!

I also worked at an orphanage. i loved working with the kids but hated reading their history files. by law we had to and their therapists always made sure i did. A typical file would be: the baby was taken from the mom at birth because it tested positive for crack cocaine. it was then placed in foster care where the child was sexual molested. at some point the child then molested another child and was sent to the orphanage where they usually spent the rest of their childhood. very sad.

I bring all this up because after reading the kids files it always astounded me that they are not more messed up then they are! how did they survive this? its a freakin miricle how resilient kids are!

So maybe as adults if we continue to gain more knowledge about love we can figure out a way to have resilient love! :)

[raggie]

The problem is that people still think love is an emotion.

good point. I wonder if love is the core around which we wrap our emotions?

[lonestar]

good point. I wonder if love is the core around which we wrap our emotions?

nice

[raggie]

Hey up lonestar. Thank you for your kind words. I am unemployed at the moment and the last job I had was working on a tree nursery. It was mainly manual labour with the joy of driving tractors and a jcb through acres of woodland and great muddy ruts. It was a beautiful place to work. Once a year we looked after some young lads from the local 'naughty boys school' as it was called. All the kids had been through the court system and most were on big pharma crap. Some were allowed home on a weekend and some had been there 3 or 4 years, never to go home again. A real mix of kids. I was tasked with supervising and motivating them. Remember this was damn hard physical work. Lots of heavy lifting and lots of digging, pulling and writhing. All these little fuckers wanted to do was drive the tractors. I was still expected to complete a days work as if they were not there. We dug, we pulled, we writhed we ached. We skived, we sneakingly all got to drive a tractor, we took the piss and we all laughed like fuck. I always missed them and cried when I read their thank you letters. You could say that I did it because I had lost contact with my own sons through drink and demons having just left the army. You could say I did it for the child in me who had been ridiculed, beaten and raped in a council house up north. You could say I did it because I knew these children through their behavour and attitude. You could say I did it simply because it is the human thing to do, the primitive urge to learn, understand, recognise, apply. You could say anything, because anything is possible. I didn't think about it at the time. You are pretty inspirational yourself. We all are.

[lonestar]

no doubt the kids that you worked with saw the realness in you. IMO the best programs that worked well for the kids was the ones that had real people (not gov or state workers with all kinds of letters behind their name) sharing their experiences with them.

I have to say to everyone that i really dont mean any harm by my words. im just always trying to be real and just want the the truth to come out. all my life the system has tried to conform me and teach me to think before i speak but then it wouldnt be real now would it?

Also I claim to be just now waking up but i take that back. yes i had no idea who guys like David Icke, Eckhart (and for cecil1) Vernon Howard even was just a few months ago but i knew something was not right about this system from an early age. like you (raggie) I just stayed under the influence of shit to get me through it and made all kinds of dumb ass mistakes.

but i believe by sharing our perspectives with each other we are learning the truth about love.

[equinoxboy]

what a powerful post Raggie!

I dont know what you do in life but its very obvious to me that you have the special gift of inspiring people, putting them at ease, and helping them to open up and be real. its a very cool gift you have!

my gift is being able to work with troubled kids. i use to think it was because i use to be a juvenile delinquent but now i think it has to do with something more.:) One of my favorite jobs working with kids was when we would take the inner city kids out of the city and deep into the remote woods.(i hope equinox boy is lurking and reading this because im sure he can relate :)) we would plan very intense 5-7 day hikes that were over 50 miles and usually all kinds of things would go wrong. LOL like we would let the kids handle the maps and we always got lost. :D i use to tell the kids that i really didnt care if we ever found our way out of the woods. the kids thought i was kidding but the staff knew i wasnt! lol (i love nature and feel at home in it) The kids always felt like they had accomplished something very extraodinary after we completed the ordeal. they would start off all tough and hard but leave humbled and KIDS AGAIN.:) it was awesome to see how fast the kids would change when you took them temporarily out of a negative environment. yes they would end up going back to the gang life or selling drugs but at least they had something in their minds of an experience that they would never forget!

I also worked at an orphanage. i loved working with the kids but hated reading their history files. by law we had to and their therapists always made sure i did. A typical file would be: the baby was taken from the mom at birth because it tested positive for crack cocaine. it was then placed in foster care where the child was sexual molested. at some point the child then molested another child and was sent to the orphanage where they usually spent the rest of their childhood. very sad.

I bring all this up because after reading the kids files it always astounded me that they are not more messed up then they are! how did they survive this? its a freakin miricle how resilient kids are!

So maybe as adults if we continue to gain more knowledge about love we can figure out a way to have resilient love! :)

oh, yes. I'm always lurking about somewhere! I sure can relate to it. You are ticking all the right boxes for me. You ask a pertinent question at the end, only to give the answer. Resilience. Why do some survive, while others succumb? Identical experiences don't lead to identical outcomes because we are all unique.

I don't enjoy reading case histories, either, yet they are essential for one of the all time greats; understanding. When you understand, you cannot help but Love. (Thich Nhat Hanh)

I can also say that I have great admiration for Raggie. I love your energy and have done since I first encountered your posts. The world is undoubtedly a better place for your being in it. Oscar Wilde said that we're all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars. I suppose that is resilience and you have it in abundance!

I could talk for hours about the special type of magic that your favourite work weaves, Lonestar. Seeing hardened, world weary, old people metamorphose into shiny, happy teenagers is nothing less than magic! I am re-enthused for what I can do by news that I have just received. I mentioned it on what has evolved from the Mayan 9th Wave thread, so I won't repeat myself.

Without trying to sound like a recruiting sergeant, your wisdom would add a touch of flavour to that thread, Raggie. It's already better for Lonestar's presence. (I guarantee you won't need to buy any black nike's!;):D)

Love

[raggie]

Thanks for the kind words. I feel a shift and I do not pretend to understand it at this moment. I'm not even going to bother trying just yet. I'm chilled. I want to float. I am so tired right now. I am in mind of that bit in the lord of the rings where bilbo says that he feels like butter spread over too much toast. Yet I have tea to make and stuff to do. Ah how I ache for a long hot bath and the sound of silence. I am grateful for the Oscar Wilde quote. It is one that has inspired me for years. It's odd how the people we 'meet' can be absorbed into our way of being. I remember, meeting a bloke who lived on a barge once. We became firm friends and I spent many an hour on his boat. He never really said much. We used to sit around his log fire and he would play his guitar. He taught me how to express myself on a guitar. I only knew him for a short time and I have never forgot him. Whenever I pick my guitar up I remember him. I have met so many people like that. We all have, and some of us have forgotten those we have met, who have inspired us. It is important, at this time, to remember, remember the moments of magic that we have actually experienced. Not the just the ones we have read about. We are all unique and we are all the same, somehow.

[lonestar]

i wish we had on this site a like button like on facebook that i could hit when i read great posts like yours.:D

[raggie]

Thanks lonestar, I, being my own uniqueness, don't care for such things. I never know what to do when someone says great post or whatever. There was a time I relied upon it though. Ah what the fuck are we going through right now? What the fuck am I going through right now? What the fuck are you going through right now? When I say you, I mean us. I will tell you mine in the hope you will tell me yours.
Yesterday I felt the urge to resolve my entire being. I couldn't escape the feeling. I had the day I had and today I have had a different day. Today I had a walk in nature and upon my return home I played my guitar and felt free. I say this so that you who sit and wonder how you can be all you are mean't to be, will know that someone like you, hasn't got a fucking clue either. Ah fuck how can I ever understand how to be who I truly am? How can I ever know anything?
I do know that all around me exists a field of love. I can feel it. It runs through the muscles in my legs, it hurtles through my heart and is terrifying beyond belief. Every time I have met love it has terrified me. It's that thing that says 'go on then dickhead. Have a go and fuck up again'. It's a voice I have and it's a voice that will be silenced. Silenced at what cost though?
Well that's the shit in my head tonight. What's in yours?

[wounded dragon]

the truth will set us free

[raggie]

the truth will set us free

ah thanks wounded, it's a fucker to get hold of though.

[gladys]

the truth will set us free

Will it though?

Knowing the truth brings you to the realization that you are in a prison and its getting out of that prison that sets you free. And that is the hardest part. :)

[gladys]

So we stay in this prison waiting for someone or 'something' to set us free, not realizing that the fundamental requirement in setting ones self free takes a leap of faith. And that "leap of faith" is the absolute belief and confidence in oneself along with the absolute belief and confidence in a benevolent 'source'. And that 'source' is love, which is what we are. :)

[lonestar]

I'll tell you what i do know. and it aint much lol.

1. Half the people living on the crust of this planet dont even have the luxury that we do in trying to figure it all out. they're living day to day just trying to keep a roof over their heads.

2. The other half that do have some FREE time to think about what the fuck is going on waste most of it distracting themselves with subjects like kicking, hitting, or throwing a balls.....( i sometimes envy them)

3. The few % of the so called intelligent/educated people that do know a whole lot about our planet still dont know jack shit about the infinity that surrounds us!

So we stay in this prison waiting for someone or 'something' to set us free, not realizing that the fundamental requirement in setting ones self free takes a leap of faith. And that "leap of faith" is the absolute belief and confidence in oneself along with the absolute belief and confidence in a benevolent 'source'. And that 'source' is love, which is what we are. :)

4. Were on our own trying to figure this shit out and it can feel very lonely and hopeless but my intuition tells me that love is the correct path to finding the solution.

[cecil1]

at this point i would say that the word love is so ambiguous that anyone reading the word would be confused as to the meaning behind it, unless they knew what love actually is. thats why one can see so much confusion in the topic of love, because even though it's a nice topic that looks so pretty, no one wants to admit they really don't know it. (very few actually do) one of the greatest tactics used to slide off determined learners of love is to simply write off the interest as a subject that can never be truly defined, what they are really saying is because they do not know love that means no one else in the universe knows love either, and then go on to claim that the person questioning their knowledge of it is egotistical yet they themself will not admit they do not know the definition. so who's got the ego in this picture? (in case you didn't notice it is the one defending their ignorance of a word) FUN!

[hypnoticspectre]

im guessin you guys are talking about CONTROLLED (Counter-rolled) Love..

[lonestar]

im guessin you guys are talking about CONTROLLED (Counter-rolled) Love..

can you please explain what you mean?

[lonestar]

Thanks for the kind words. I feel a shift and I do not pretend to understand it at this moment. I'm not even going to bother trying just yet. I'm chilled. I want to float. I am so tired right now. I am in mind of that bit in the lord of the rings where bilbo says that he feels like butter spread over too much toast. Yet I have tea to make and stuff to do. Ah how I ache for a long hot bath and the sound of silence. I am grateful for the Oscar Wilde quote. It is one that has inspired me for years. It's odd how the people we 'meet' can be absorbed into our way of being. I remember, meeting a bloke who lived on a barge once. We became firm friends and I spent many an hour on his boat. He never really said much. We used to sit around his log fire and he would play his guitar. He taught me how to express myself on a guitar. I only knew him for a short time and I have never forgot him. Whenever I pick my guitar up I remember him. I have met so many people like that. We all have, and some of us have forgotten those we have met, who have inspired us. It is important, at this time, to remember, remember the moments of magic that we have actually experienced. Not the just the ones we have read about. We are all unique and we are all the same, somehow.

I'm very grateful for this site, thread, and post.

[heartbeatsalute]

I've started doing requests. Today has been an emotional day for me as it turned out. I have witnessed a change in my circumstances and it didn't cost me a penny. It came about through being organised enough to spend some quality time focussing on the only thing that really matters, love. Proper love, unconditional love. Trouble is that we are forever being bombarded with the truth. The truth of our physical and emotional reality right now is dreadful. We have allowed ourselves to harm others. We walk from those that ache for our love, we are frightened by those that challenge our beliefs. Why are we so terrified of wearing our hearts in our eyes? How has the truth of our reality caused us to behave as we do? Why can't we just get on, regardless? Where is the truth of our love?

WOW!, this is a beautiful thread, talks to the heart with the heart, thank you!

[raggie]

WOW!, this is a beautiful thread, talks to the heart with the heart, thank you!

ah thank you. I tell you something right now that I am struggling with. It is in trying to understand the difference between selfishness and selflessness within a loving relationship. Is it ever ok to say enough is enough? I want me. I want space, I want time away so I can view us from a distance. I want to find where I end and the relationship begins. I want to stop giving and start receiving. I want to feel my own feet where they stand upon my own path. I want to know the truth of us, so I may make my own informed decision as to the truth of me. Do I need to know the truth of us to know the truth of me? Is it ok to want to exist without feeling stretched and torn within a relationship? Is it a sin to ask such questions? How much shit am I going to be in when the wife reads this? Aw fuck.........

[yass]

ah thank you. I tell you something right now that I am struggling with. It is in trying to understand the difference between selfishness and selflessness within a loving relationship. Is it ever ok to say enough is enough? I want me. I want space, I want time away so I can view us from a distance. I want to find where I end and the relationship begins. I want to stop giving and start receiving. I want to feel my own feet where they stand upon my own path. I want to know the truth of us, so I may make my own informed decision as to the truth of me. Do I need to know the truth of us to know the truth of me? Is it ok to want to exist without feeling stretched and torn within a relationship? Is it a sin to ask such questions? How much shit am I going to be in when the wife reads this? Aw fuck.........

LOL sorry can't help ya now but you sure made me laugh.

[heartbeatsalute]

ah thank you. I tell you something right now that I am struggling with. It is in trying to understand the difference between selfishness and selflessness within a loving relationship. Is it ever ok to say enough is enough? I want me. I want space, I want time away so I can view us from a distance. I want to find where I end and the relationship begins. I want to stop giving and start receiving. I want to feel my own feet where they stand upon my own path. I want to know the truth of us, so I may make my own informed decision as to the truth of me. Do I need to know the truth of us to know the truth of me? Is it ok to want to exist without feeling stretched and torn within a relationship? Is it a sin to ask such questions? How much shit am I going to be in when the wife reads this? Aw fuck.........

Interesting. I read this that might be a bit inspiring, talks about rising in love, instead of falling in love. I believe it is right to want to be within a relationship, nothing wrong with that, after all no one can hurt you, you can only hurt yourself, so live on raggie.:D

http://sureshg.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/dont-fall-in-love-its-ugly-rise-in-love/

[raggie]

im guessin you guys are talking about CONTROLLED (Counter-rolled) Love..
eh oop chuck, honestly please come back and explain what that means to you. It has an hypnotic attraction to me. What does counter rolled mean?

[raggie]

Interesting. I read this that might be a bit inspiring, talks about rising in love, instead of falling in love. I believe it is right to want to be within a relationship, nothing wrong with that, after all no one can hurt you, you can only hurt yourself, so live on raggie.:D

http://sureshg.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/dont-fall-in-love-its-ugly-rise-in-love/

Oh suresh, you are so correct. I do struggle so much to love unconditionally. I read your blog post and am inspired. I am thwarted constantly by interruption and deception of my heart. As you quite rightly say no one can hurt me, only I can hurt myself. Yet here I sit, once again unsure and uncertain. I do believe that we should rise in love. For how can we not? If love is truly an higher vibration then surely it floats higher. Should I dig deep into my soul, will I not find gold, for all it's worth?
*EDIT*
Since I posted the above my wife, whose smile unnerves me, gave me the following link. Grrrrr:-)
www.allenroland.com/archives/newsletter.php?id=4

[heartbeatsalute]

Oh suresh, you are so correct. I do struggle so much to love unconditionally. I read your blog post and am inspired. I am thwarted constantly by interruption and deception of my heart. As you quite rightly say no one can hurt me, only I can hurt myself. Yet here I sit, once again unsure and uncertain. I do believe that we should rise in love. For how can we not? If love is truly an higher vibration then surely it floats higher. Should I dig deep into my soul, will I not find gold, for all it's worth?
*EDIT*
Since I posted the above my wife, whose smile unnerves me, gave me the following link. Grrrrr:-)
www.allenroland.com/archives/newsletter.php?id=4

Interesting link your wife gave you (GRRRR?)LOL
maybe you should both try meditation, going inwards and keeping the relationship at the same time, growing and rising in love. Best of Luck mate.

[lonestar]

I tell you something right now that I am struggling with. It is in trying to understand the difference between selfishness and selflessness within a loving relationship.

I hear you.

For me its focusing on and talking about things like Love + Compassionthats helping me not lose my mind anymore than i have already. lol

Everyday i really try to focus on love and compassion with everyone i come into contact with but sometimes i end up having to have a lot of love and compassion for myself when i fuck up and forget to remember to focus on love and compassion....:)

[lonestar]

http://sureshg.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/dont-fall-in-love-its-ugly-rise-in-love/

thanks for sharing that link.

[lonestar]

my wife, gave me the following link.
www.allenroland.com/archives/newsletter.php?id=4

another great link! tell her i said thanks!:D

[raggie]

another great link! tell her i said thanks!:D

just did, she said who the fuck is he?:-D

[lonestar]

Lmao

[raggie]

Lmao
:-) both links have great value in my humble opinion. Suresh talks wonderfully about the concept of raising in love, rather than falling in it. I have fallen down many holes in my time. I have risen out of all the holes I have fallen into, so far. I think:) Sequinda's link was useful to me. She knows that I suffer due to my own feelings of unworthiness. She gave it to me in the hope it may be of use to others too. Allen Roland is a truly wonderful example of how love could be, if only we would dare. Love, to me, aches to be joyous and yet has always been tinged with sadness and withdrawal. It is such a hard thing for me to try and understand and yet I am told we are all made from love. We all radiate love and we all attract love. I am not the only one among us who knows this and still continues to kick away the love we have attracted? Surely not.

[heartbeatsalute]

thanks for sharing that link.

Glad you liked it, hope it was useful in someway lonestar.:D

[majorlee]

we all love to make our own prisons and trying to escape from them even more!

[raggie]

we all love to make our own prisons and trying to escape from them even more!
aye, that is so true. I got up this morning with the intention of being dead by teatime. Should you believe this to be a tad melodramatic, then you do not know me. Anyhoo I shuffled through my day believing that nothing really mattered. I have ended up where I am now, still attached by the elastic that I believed had snapped. I have just wrote this 'poem' I wrote it in one go and I haven't polished it. So any of you who would witter on that this verse, stanza or what ever doesn't flow with another can fuck off. For me poetry has absolutely fuck all to do with fitting into a certain pre-ordained up your own arse set of rules. It is who we are and arrives how it does.

The Madness of Being in Two Minds.

I desire to be the greatest writer that ever lived, and yet when I believe that it could be,
it takes my marbles far away from me.
I ignore the gift that I am gived.
I am lost in heartfelt fire, when the words I have, float onto this lit up screen, fuck I feel so bastard dire, I could Munch every fucking heartfelt scream.
In short I live in hell, while I write about how my heart doth swell.
I drive myself to a place of madness and wallow in my own self induced, feeble sadness.
Oh I hate this fucking life.
I am nowt but trouble in these times of strife.
Ah fuck I could really be, yet I am the one who cannot set myself truly free.
Oh sure you can give me good advice, just like Bagpuss and his bastard interfering, fucking mice.
Yet we will fix it is just a lie, for when we comes to me, it just makes me cry.
All the times that I am mad, and all the times that I am sad, means fuck all at the end of my long and lonely day, for only infinite love will truly have it's say.
I guess I will have to live, for at least one more day. I really wish that I could live and love in a very different way.

[lonestar]

Allen Roland is a truly wonderful example of how love could be, if only we would dare.


I really enjoyed this reflection from him entilted:

Only Love Heals ( The Power of Gratefulness )

http://www.allenroland.com/archives/reflect.php?id=42

IMO he's saying that we should be grateful for ALL the people that we have come into contact with throughout our life. ALL OF THEM WERE GIFTS!

also that we should be grateful to ourselves because it takes a lot of fucking guts to travel a path like unconditional love, and that ALL the fear and pain that comes with this real and honest path helps us become who we really want to be.

at least thats the way i interpreted it????:)

[toxicvibes]

As chaplin used to say in this epic clip "We think too much and feel too little"

The Greatest Speech Ever Made - YouTube

[lonestar]

Chaplin was way ahead of his time. like most of the great ones!:)

[lonestar]

i did more truth and less Love today and i feel like SHIT for it....

[raggie]

Hi lonestar,
I feel shit too. I just can't get my head around any of this stuff anymore. I have tried and tried to get to a place of understanding and it will not come. I go outside and I see my fellow humans rushing about slavering in their obsession to spend money they haven't got, on things that aren't even needed, in the name of something they do not understand. I smile at strangers and they react as though I have done something suspicious, yet these same people will sit in churches on christmas eve proclaiming their love for all things brainwashed, having spent hundreds of pounds on plastering over the cracks in their relationships. There lays a chemtrailed gloom over the shit hole of Scarborough today and the bulb in my tunnel has been nicked by the wanker who burgled a ninety odd year old woman the other day. He was after the stuff she couldn't afford to buy in the first place. There has been a spate of burglars targeting the elderly. Easy pickings they would say. I have nowhere to come from and I have nowhere to go. I see no evidence of the love I ignorantly write about so much. How can anyone be expected to be able to open their heart when they are surrounded by concrete dripping with the multi coloured fairy lights of greed and jingling credit card machines?

[lonestar]

I see no evidence of the love I ignorantly write about so much.

oh its there Raggie i can sense the vibration of love and i know you can too. Unfortunately for whatever reason love has been covered up in deep layers of shit and thats why we feel lost right?

When i look around and see people not only not feeling this love but instead they are throwing this shit at each other it drives me crazy! sometimes i try to get them to stop throwing the shit and i get dragged into slinging shit myself! WTF and thats when i get real down on myself...

right now i'm trying not to waste anymore time on anything that has no love in it. they can literally fling shit in my face and but im not going keep falling into the same trap of defensiveness. yes i hate the smell of it but im going to try to hold my nose and just keep feeling love, compassion and forgiveness.


im also trying to just surrender to not caring how long this struggle takes us to figure out. :)

[raggie]

oh its there Raggie i can sense the vibration of love and i know you can too. Unfortunately for whatever reason love has been covered up in deep layers of shit and thats why we feel lost right?

When i look around and see people not only not feeling this love but instead they are throwing this shit at each other it drives me crazy! sometimes i try to get them to stop throwing the shit and i get dragged into slinging shit myself! WTF and thats when i get real down on myself...

right now i'm trying not to waste anymore time on anything that has no love in it. they can literally fling shit in my face and but im not going keep falling into the same trap of defensiveness. yes i hate the smell of it but im going to try to hold my nose and just keep feeling love, compassion and forgiveness.


im also trying to just surrender to not caring how long this struggle takes us to figure out. :)

Waaaaaa, ever since I read the post regarding surrender, on the mayan thread, I have been waving a white flag. It doesn't stop me getting shot at, but at least the wounds heal real quickly. Yeah I can feel this love and at times it terrifies me. I don't know what to do with it. I have allowed myself precious little of it when it has been previously available. At the moment it feels a bit like getting into a nice hot bath, a day or two after a good kicking. It's awkward and worries the scuffed bits at first. Once you are in though, it's fucking gorgeous. It's warm. It takes the weight off and it is so easy to just be. Yeah I can feel it. The shit's washed off, for now. There's no fluroride in love thankfully:)

[lonestar]

do you also feel the impending doom coming fast? and its like everyone is building more shields and more walls to protect themselves from the shit storm. but we are already in the shit ocean and its like some kind of paradox that we are living in and the best way to deal with the more shit coming is to maybe tear down more of these protective walls?

its crazy....

[raggie]

do you also feel the impending doom coming fast? and its like everyone is building more shields and more walls to protect themselves from the shit storm. but we are already in the shit ocean and its like some kind of paradox that we are living in and the best way to deal with the more shit coming is to maybe tear down more of these protective walls?

its crazy....

ah that's it. You see I don't feel the impending doom anymore. I feel the impending love. It's as though the walls are going to come down and I am about to set myself free. I am making informed decisions and acting on them. I am dismantling and examining. I hope to fuck I know what I am doing:) I take your point about all that surrounds us is an ocean of shit at the moment. I see clear rivers running into the ocean. I see the ocean changing colour as all the shit disapears down the cosmic plughole. I see folks building great walls from mass produced shite, quarried from mountains of debt. I see those walls falling in the very near future. I see folks grabbing and grieving, for the things they can't grab. I see a lot of folks going through a lot of pain. The trouble is the only way to fix it, is to knock your own walls down. It probably works out cheaper too:)

[lonestar]

ah that's it. You see I don't feel the impending doom anymore. I feel the impending love. It's as though the walls are going to come down and I am about to set myself free. I am making informed decisions and acting on them. I am dismantling and examining. I hope to fuck I know what I am doing:) I take your point about all that surrounds us is an ocean of shit at the moment. I see clear rivers running into the ocean. I see the ocean changing colour as all the shit disapears down the cosmic plughole. I see folks building great walls from mass produced shite, quarried from mountains of debt. I see those walls falling in the very near future. I see folks grabbing and grieving, for the things they can't grab. I see a lot of folks going through a lot of pain. The trouble is the only way to fix it, is to knock your own walls down. It probably works out cheaper too:)

yes yes yes! posts like this give me a foothold in this madness. i keep wanting to use my mind to figure this shit out but i know that i need to go beyond that and just act like and be like the source of love. I know we will keep the investigation of love open until we figure this shit out! :D:):D

[raggie]

yes yes yes! posts like this give me a foothold in this madness. i keep wanting to use my mind to figure this shit out but i know that i need to go beyond that and just act like and be like the source of love. I know we will keep the investigation of love open until we figure this shit out! :D:):D

maybe that's it. Maybe it's the drive to investigate that foils the experience. I really took to mind, that all this was a battle for the mind. Maybe that's the distraction that is blocking my path. I have let go of a lot of the mind stuff recently and found that things have improved. I Have very little, yet I lack nothing that I really need. One gift the high cost of electricity, has given me, is the beautiful flame of candlelight. I live in a proper shit hole that is transformed through the softness of candlelight. The rough edges disapear and I feel calmed. I am more able to just be at one with things these days. I see the futility of fighting another persons point of view. 'It', whatever 'it' represents really does not matter. A few years ago I would not have entertained any 'daft' or 'soppy' ideas of love. The less I worry about crap like that, the better I feel. I have been trying to understand my heart through my mind. I have given up on that and am going to just let my heart explain itself, as and when it feels like it. :-D

[lonestar]

nice. :) yeah im just starting to figure out that most of my real negative feelings are all just inside my mind and im fucking making the outside situation negative.

im cleaning my house today listening to Anthony de mello talk about how the world is full of sorrow and that the root of sorrow is attachment and desire. PERFECT LOVE HAS NO FEAR NO DESIRE.

so am i investigating love because i desire to have more of it in this world?

is it my attachment to love thats making me fear losing more of it?

i dont know but yeah im with you in letting my heart lead the way.

[equinoxboy]

yes yes yes! posts like this give me a foothold in this madness. i keep wanting to use my mind to figure this shit out but i know that i need to go beyond that and just act like and be like the source of love. I know we will keep the investigation of love open until we figure this shit out! :D:):D

If I had read this from somebody else, I would have advised them to read your post on the Mayan thread! I love the way that answers come, when we ask questions. I find it inspiring to encounter people who are passionate seekers of answers.

Love

[lonestar]

yup im very grateful for these threads. this may sound a lil corny but i have been working out with free weights consistently most of my life. (its one of the few positive habits ive had in my life:))

and threads like these feel the same way to me. i even get the same workout high from them. :D its like we are athletes training and working out our hearts (love) and minds (ego) and we are working out side by side, encouraging each other, giving advice on how we can make love stronger, or how we can drop negative thoughts, feeding off each other's energy, building each other up as we share our experiences on how to do this.

COME ON PEOPLE ONE MORE REP FEEL THE PAIN THATS WHAT MAKES THE MUCSCLES GROW! :D:):D

[raggie]

Ave a bit of this with it:-D
They didn't destroy me then, and they cannot do it now.
For now is really when, my truth will start to grow.
The moment of this now, shows me clearly when, I rate myself a ten, my worth, can take a bow.
They didn't subdue me then, and they cannot do it now.
For now is really when, my heart will start to glow.
The moment of this when, is here in the now, and even way back then, I knew I would get there somehow.
I did not falter then and I will not falter now, for I am the tree.
The tree that I will grow.

[gladys]

nice. :)
im cleaning my house today listening to Anthony de mello talk about how the world is full of sorrow and that the root of sorrow is attachment and desire. PERFECT LOVE HAS NO FEAR NO DESIRE.

I agree. It is 'attachment' that causes suffering, but i also think that the only thing that suffering teaches us in the end is that there really is no need to suffer. Its our ego that suffers because its our ego that becomes attached, but our ego is not who we really are.

I think love is about 'surrendering'. Surrendering completely to the moment by surrendering the ego. Surrendering is necessary to experience 'complete' living. But we equate surrendering with 'loss' (of control, or someone or something) because that is the way we have been conditioned to think (our ego), and that's why we fear 'love'. I really believe that it is love that will set us free. But we have to surrender to it first. :)

I hope this makes more sense to someone else than it does to me. :D

[peabrain]

Make sense to me , Love is all around it's circling in the air, I hope.:D

[gladys]

Make sense to me , Love is all around it's circling in the air, I hope.:D

Ah bless ya peabrain. :)

*Cue Marti Pellow: "Love is all around us, its everywhere we goooo"....la la la*

(now there is someone i could quite easily "surrender" to). :D

[peabrain]

Yup :D he's still a smasher .
To be honest anyone who's remotely human is sound and epic .

[equinoxboy]

Ave a bit of this with it:-D
They didn't destroy me then, and they cannot do it now.
For now is really when, my truth will start to grow.
The moment of this now, shows me clearly when, I rate myself a ten, my worth, can take a bow.
They didn't subdue me then, and they cannot do it now.
For now is really when, my heart will start to glow.
The moment of this when, is here in the now, and even way back then, I knew I would get there somehow.
I did not falter then and I will not falter now, for I am the tree.
The tree that I will grow.

Beautiful, Raggie!

Love

[equinoxboy]

Yup :D he's still a smasher .
To be honest anyone who's remotely human is sound and epic .

:D Yup, the Love is definitely all around us. You can feel it in this gentle, powerful thread.

Love

[raggie]

Ah bless ya peabrain. :)

*Cue Marti Pellow: "Love is all around us, its everywhere we goooo"....la la la*

(now there is someone i could quite easily "surrender" to). :D

tart:-) I don't know much about the fella. I saw him on loose women once, a while ago, the mother in law was here and it had to be endured. He came across as a nice bloke who had come through the rough end of something grim, and emerged better for having done so.
I loved Kate Bush, ahhh I still do. Ahh Katie, Katie, Katie.
I surrender.

[raggie]

I agree. It is 'attachment' that causes suffering, but i also think that the only thing that suffering teaches us in the end is that there really is no need to suffer. Its our ego that suffers because its our ego that becomes attached, but our ego is not who we really are.

I think love is about 'surrendering'. Surrendering completely to the moment by surrendering the ego. Surrendering is necessary to experience 'complete' living. But we equate surrendering with 'loss' (of control, or someone or something) because that is the way we have been conditioned to think (our ego), and that's why we fear 'love'. I really believe that it is love that will set us free. But we have to surrender to it first. :)

I hope this makes more sense to someone else than it does to me. :D

it makes perfect sense gladys. It's just such a real fucking hard thing for some of us to do. Those of us who are being controlled through our wounds struggle to surrender completely. Those of us who are vulnerable are open to be taken advantage of. And it happens. It happens all the time to loads and loads of us. We place more faith in others than we do in ourselves. I have always been open and gullible. I once stood in a shop with a friend who was admiring the ugliest fucking lamp that was ever created. She asked me what I thought of it. I presumed she didn't want me to tell her the truth and said it was lovely. She gave it to me for my birthday. Over time I became fondly attached to it. After she died I got rid of it. Now though I wish I hadn't. Ah but that's life, all that came about because I stood in a shop with a friend and lied. Now though, that attachment makes me smile and I surrender to the happy times we shared. Laughing, singing and simply loving. It helps me surrender to love today. Ah in't love brilliant?

[lonestar]

it makes perfect sense gladys. It's just such a real fucking hard thing for some of us to do. Those of us who are being controlled through our wounds struggle to surrender completely. Those of us who are vulnerable are open to be taken advantage of. And it happens. It happens all the time to loads and loads of us. We place more faith in others than we do in ourselves. I have always been open and gullible. I once stood in a shop with a friend who was admiring the ugliest fucking lamp that was ever created. She asked me what I thought of it. I presumed she didn't want me to tell her the truth and said it was lovely. She gave it to me for my birthday. Over time I became fondly attached to it. After she died I got rid of it. Now though I wish I hadn't. Ah but that's life, all that came about because I stood in a shop with a friend and lied. Now though, that attachment makes me smile and I surrender to the happy times we shared. Laughing, singing and simply loving. It helps me surrender to love today. Ah in't love brilliant?

"I have always been open and gullible. I once stood in a shop with a friend who was admiring the ugliest fucking lamp that was ever created. She asked me what I thought of it. I presumed she didn't want me to tell her the truth and said it was lovely. She gave it to me for my birthday"

oh man that was funny as hell! and what gladys said makes sense to me too. and yeah its f'ing hard and now im going to try to add having more fun in the process of learning how to surrender. love is brilliant and we should be having more fun with it.

[gladys]

"I have always been open and gullible. I once stood in a shop with a friend who was admiring the ugliest fucking lamp that was ever created. She asked me what I thought of it. I presumed she didn't want me to tell her the truth and said it was lovely. She gave it to me for my birthday"

oh man that was funny as hell!

No it wasn't. Raggie is not funny. And he talks shite. :D

He starts a ridiculous thread about something none of us have got a f*****g clue about, but we like to think we do. So we post intellectual hog-wash (me) combined with emotive stories (raggie) in a vain attempt to capitalize on our understanding of something that is purely sexual. Sexual energy is the life force itself existing in the material body. Think of the so called "ecstasy" that saints and nuns have reached when in total devotion and surrender to "God/source/universal energy/infinite love" (blah blah blah....whatever you wanna call 'it'). Its an orgasm. When separateness becomes 'one' its orgasmic. And it will be. I think. :D

Besides, he called me a 'tart'. And i'm only that in my dreams (when i'm with the local vicar). :D

I love this thread. And i love all of you on it (especially raggie). It gives me the opportunity to be totally honest,....and to be 'me'. And, boy, am i gonna regret posting this in the morning. :D :D

Be gentle with me. ;) x

[gladys]

[QUOTE=raggie;1060445240
I loved Kate Bush, ahhh I still do. Ahh Katie, Katie, Katie.
I surrender.[/QUOTE]

Blah, blah, bloody blah. :D

Ahh, Marti, Marti, Marti.

I surrender. :D

[lonestar]

no it wasn't. Raggie is not funny. And he talks shite. :d

he starts a ridiculous thread about something none of us have got a f*****g clue about, but we like to think we do. So we post intellectual hog-wash (me) combined with emotive stories (raggie) in a vain attempt to capitalize on our understanding of something that is purely sexual. Sexual energy is the life force itself existing in the material body. Think of the so called "ecstasy" that saints and nuns have reached when in total devotion and surrender to "god/source/universal energy/infinite love" (blah blah blah....whatever you wanna call 'it'). Its an orgasm. When separateness becomes 'one' its orgasmic. And it will be. I think. :d

besides, he called me a 'tart'. And i'm only that in my dreams (when i'm with the local vicar). :d

i love this thread. And i love all of you on it (especially raggie). It gives me the opportunity to be totally honest,....and to be 'me'. And, boy, am i gonna regret posting this in the morning. :d :d

be gentle with me. ;) x

thats funny!!!

"One gift the high cost of electricity, has given me, is the beautiful flame of candlelight. I live in a proper shit hole that is transformed through the softness of candlelight"

I was looking at a fire tonite and i remembered this from him.

Raggie talks some "shite" but you're right its "honest" shit! lol

[gladys]

it makes perfect sense gladys. It's just such a real fucking hard thing for some of us to do. Those of us who are being controlled through our wounds struggle to surrender completely. Those of us who are vulnerable are open to be taken advantage of. And it happens. It happens all the time to loads and loads of us. We place more faith in others than we do in ourselves. I have always been open and gullible.

That is so true, and i identify with what you are saying.

I remember once being told (by a wise and wonderful friend) that severe heart-ache and trauma can do either one of two things to people. It can either shut down the heart 'chakra' completely, or it can blast it wide open. I think that the latter is/was true in our case.

People can sometimes confuse naivety with gullibility, but they are two different things. Hearts that are open and loving have a tendency to be gullible, whereas hearts that have shut down have a tendency to be guarded and overly suspicious. I know which one i'de rather have, even though it can be very painful. But you know what they say, "no pain, no gain". :)

[raggie]

No it wasn't. Raggie is not funny. And he talks shite. :D

He starts a ridiculous thread about something none of us have got a f*****g clue about, but we like to think we do. So we post intellectual hog-wash (me) combined with emotive stories (raggie) in a vain attempt to capitalize on our understanding of something that is purely sexual. Sexual energy is the life force itself existing in the material body. Think of the so called "ecstasy" that saints and nuns have reached when in total devotion and surrender to "God/source/universal energy/infinite love" (blah blah blah....whatever you wanna call 'it'). Its an orgasm. When separateness becomes 'one' its orgasmic. And it will be. I think. :D

Besides, he called me a 'tart'. And i'm only that in my dreams (when i'm with the local vicar). :D

I love this thread. And i love all of you on it (especially raggie). It gives me the opportunity to be totally honest,....and to be 'me'. And, boy, am i gonna regret posting this in the morning. :D :D

Be gentle with me. ;) x

ease springs. Well we have reached the level that all conversations seem to reach at some point, worrying about the consequences of being open and honest:) I don't know if sexual energy is the life force. I know a quick ham shank into the sink can make one's knees buckle and that a pure, loving and honest sexual connection has been the most powerfull experience I have ever known. It gets tainted though. How many of us find ourselves doing it with people we don't really want to do it with? How many of us have it done to us and not with us? How many of us do it with Venom and how many do it with Damian Rice?
How many of us actually manage to connect doing it?
I have heard that sex was hijacked during the sixties. We do not need it to be tainted now. If sexual energy is indeed the life force, it follows that it has to be clean. So that those rivers flowing into our sea, bring pure and crystal clear waters.
Ah it's true. I talk a lot of shite. It's nice to know that I am loved though:-)
*just remembered where I heard the thing about the sixties etc. It was here The Crown of Creation and the Da Vinci Toad http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=39577

[gladys]

ease springs. Well we have reached the level that all conversations seem to reach at some point, worrying about the consequences of being open and honest:) I don't know if sexual energy is the life force. I know a quick ham shank into the sink can make one's knees buckle and that a pure, loving and honest sexual connection has been the most powerfull experience I have ever known. It gets tainted though. How many of us find ourselves doing it with people we don't really want to do it with? How many of us have it done to us and not with us? How many of us do it with Venom and how many do it with Damian Rice?
How many of us actually manage to connect doing it?
I have heard that sex was hijacked during the sixties. We do not need it to be tainted now. If sexual energy is indeed the life force, it follows that it has to be clean. So that those rivers flowing into our sea, bring pure and crystal clear waters.
Ah it's true. I talk a lot of shite. It's nice to know that I am loved though:-)

Excellent post, and so true. :)

And i'de love to do it with Damien Rice.....do you know him?? :D

[raggie]

Excellent post, and so true. :)

And i'de love to do it with Damien Rice.....do you know him?? :D

not in the way you would like to.:) I have heard of him. I have only ever heard one track, I can't remember the title. I remember it being beautiful though.

[gladys]

not in the way you would like to.:) I have heard of him. I have only ever heard one track, I can't remember the title. I remember it being beautiful though.

Ha ha ha!

Damien Rice's music is awesome. "The Blowers daughter" is just the most beautiful and haunting song ever. The raw intensity of feeling just kills me. He is an exceptionally talented songwriter/musician (imho). Check it out. :)

It has been quite poorly covered by just about everyone in the music business, with the exception of my sister of course! :D

[lonestar]

I don't know if sexual energy is the life force.

me either, but i do know that our MINDS (at least mine did) turned a natural beautiful thing like sex into the fucking mess it is now....at one point in my life sex was just a game i liked to play a lot. how sad is that.....

I know a quick ham shank into the sink can make one's knees buckle

what the hell does that even mean? lol

[oiram]

First we would need to establish what Love we are talking about!

Also what is truth?

Every time you have discovered a new lie you have found truth!

Every time you have exposed the lie you have found its added true love for the truth & all of Humanity!


So lets keep up the true love & keep exposing the lies!

You correct there are so many lies which are known (the truth) & not enough exposer of these lies that's why there is so little love around!


So lest keep exposing so we get a bit more love into the overall system!

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2. For since man, by departing from God, reached such a pitch of fury as even to look upon his brother as his enemy, and engaged without fear in every kind of restless conduct, and murder, and avarice; God imposed upon mankind the fear of man, as they did not acknowledge the fear of God, in order that, being subjected to the authority of men, and kept under restraint by their laws, they might attain to some degree of justice, and exercise mutual forbearance through dread of the sword suspended full in their view, as the apostle says: "For he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God, the avenger for wrath upon him who does evil." And for this reason too, magistrates themselves, having laws as a clothing of righteousness whenever they act in a just and legitimate manner, shall not be called in question for their conduct, nor be liable to punishment. But whatsoever they do to the subversion of justice, iniquitously, and impiously, and illegally, and tyrannically, in these things shall they also perish; for the just judgment of God comes equally upon all, and in no case is defective. Earthly rule, therefore, has been appointed by God for the benefit of nations,(9) and not by the devil, who is never at rest at all, nay, who does not love to see even nations conducting themselves after a quiet manner, so that under the fear of human rule, men may not eat each other up like fishes; but that, by means of the establishment of laws, they may keep down an excess of wickedness among the nations. And considered from this point of view, those who exact tribute from us are "God's ministers, serving for this very purpose."

4. Just as if any one, being an apostate, and seizing in a hostile manner another man's territory, should harass the inhabitants of it, in order that he might claim for himself the glory of a king among those ignorant of his apostasy and robbery; so likewise also the devil, being one among those angels who are placed over the spirit of the air, as the Apostle Paul has declared in his Epistle to the Ephesians,(1) becoming envious of man, was rendered an apostate from the divine law: for envy is a thing foreign to God. And as his apostasy was exposed by man, and man became the [means of] searching out his thoughts (et examinatio sententioe ejus, homo factus est), he has set himself to this with greater and greater determination, in opposition to man, envying his life, and wishing to involve him in his own apostate power. The Word of God, however, the Maker of all things, conquering him by means of human nature, and showing him to be an apostate, has, on the contrary, put him under the power of man. For He says, "Behold, I confer upon you the power of treading upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy,"(2) in order that, as he obtained dominion over man by apostasy, so again his apostasy might be deprived of power by means of man turning back again to God.
http://www.gnosis.org/library/advh5.htm (http://www.gnosis.org/library/advh5.htm)

[gladys]

what the hell does that even mean? lol

He means to 'beat the meat', 'spank the monkey', visit 'madam palm and her five sisters', 'pull one off', 'bash the bishop', 'charm the snake' etc., etc....

Does this make it any clearer lonestar?? :D

[lonestar]

yea thanks.:D

[nattnatt]

Hey, I'm new here. I just wanted to tell you all that after reading some other threads and the first page here I just felt re-born. I am a really creative guy and I have had a block for a while. But you guys crushed that shit, so thanx for that and keep doing what you're doing, it seems to work ;)

[nattnatt]

Just finished reading this thread and now I saw it was pretty old. It was a nice read though and I hope all of you who was a part of it still going strong and hopefully even are active on this forum.

Thanks for helping me out even though you were not aware of it :)

And excuse my English, I find it really hard to express myself in this language.

[peabrain]

Just finished reading this thread and now I saw it was pretty old. It was a nice read though and I hope all of you who was a part of it still going strong and hopefully even are active on this forum.

Thanks for helping me out even though you were not aware of it :)

And excuse my English, I find it really hard to express myself in this language.

Hi nattnatt, and welcome to the forum. I'm glad you've enjoyed 'feeling the lurve':). Your English is excellent, and thanks for resurrecting this thread, it was nice to read it again.:D, put a smile om my face this morning.:D

[nattnatt]

Hi nattnatt, and welcome to the forum. I'm glad you've enjoyed 'feeling the lurve':). Your English is excellent, and thanks for resurrecting this thread, it was nice to read it again.:D, put a smile om my face this morning.:D

Thanks man, yeah it certainly made yesterday go from a shitty day to a good day for me, nice to see that there is more people out there who feel lost in the competition society and who wants to be at peace with those around. I hope the bump can get some new readers for this thread because I think it would do many good.

Ok, enough let's get out spreading the love :) Have a nice day peabrain and the rest of the world

[gladys]

Just finished reading this thread and now I saw it was pretty old. It was a nice read though and I hope all of you who was a part of it still going strong and hopefully even are active on this forum.

Thanks for helping me out even though you were not aware of it :)

And excuse my English, I find it really hard to express myself in this language.

Hi nattnatt, i'de forgotten all about this once wonderful thread and i'm happy you enjoyed it. I've just finished re-reading it myself and i was both touched and tickled by its contents (and i'de also forgotten how lewd i can be at times :o:D).

It seems raggie no longer posts on this forum anymore and he is sadly missed. He seemed to be one of the most humble, loving and sincerest posters on here and he created some wonderful and thought-provoking threads. And i agree that this thread should be resurrected. :)

@ peabrain (psst, and i still have an ongoing crush on Marti Pellow. :D)

[peabrain]

Thanks man, yeah it certainly made yesterday go from a shitty day to a good day for me, nice to see that there is more people out there who feel lost in the competition society and who wants to be at peace with those around. I hope the bump can get some new readers for this thread because I think it would do many good.

Ok, enough let's get out spreading the love :) Have a nice day peabrain and the rest of the world

Ty, I'm still smiling.:)

Hi nattnatt, i'de forgotten all about this once wonderful thread and i'm happy you enjoyed it. I've just finished re-reading it myself and i was both touched and tickled by its contents (and i'de also forgotten how lewd i can be at times :o:D).

It seems raggie no longer posts on this forum anymore and he is sadly missed. He seemed to be one of the most humble, loving and sincerest posters on here and he created some wonderful and thought-provoking threads. And i agree that this thread should be resurrected. :)

@ peabrain (psst, and i still have an ongoing crush on Marti Pellow. :D)

OO er missus, Marti's quite a guy:)

[gladys]

OO er missus, Marti's quite a guy:)

Yes he is :o.

I remember i went to see him (wet wet wet) live at the B'Ham NEC back in '92 (or was it '93) and he was fantastic. His vocals were phenomenal and he had amazing charisma (probably the heroin he was on at the time :D). He was seriously brilliant.

I wish he posted on this forum (sigh) :D.

[peabrain]

Yes he is :o.

I remember i went to see him (wet wet wet) live at the B'Ham NEC back in '92 (or was it '93) and he was fantastic. His vocals were phenomenal and he had amazing charisma (probably the heroin he was on at the time :D). He was seriously brilliant.

I wish he posted on this forum (sigh) :D.

He made quite a recovery from the heroin, I think he's clean now.

Maybe he does post on this forum:D Wouldn't that be cool? we'd be (this is naughty):o Wet, Wet, Wet, with perspiration of course;):D

[adude]

Too much Truth, Not enough love

Not enough love indeed...it can be a challenge to remember. I like Stuart Wilde's line "The Spiritual Journey is One Foot in Length" (from the head to the heart). Recent post about it here (http://www.stuartwilde.com/2012/09/the-spiritual-journey-is-one-foot-in-length/). Pretty cool article.

[thecatsmeow]

Not enough love indeed...it can be a challenge to remember. I like Stuart Wilde's line "The Spiritual Journey is One Foot in Length" (from the head to the heart). Recent post about it here (http://www.stuartwilde.com/2012/09/the-spiritual-journey-is-one-foot-in-length/). Pretty cool article.

Nice one! :)

Love Signal 528 Hz

[08bonnie07]

Well, if it were that simple as you try to explain we would be living in a perfect world. We are not, are we? It requires inner strengths to undergo the emotional healing. But it is not a left brain activity and it takes time to achieve it. It is simple, yet difficult and only a few have a courage to accomplish it. We can’t feel love before we feel and release pain, fear, rage, and despair. Sorry, I don’t meditate in the name of love. I am an action person and I need practical tools to achieve it. We will never get our bodies back that are vibrant and full of feelings with hearts opened by mediating on love.LOL! But new age belifs takes us away from it.:D:p

Exactly. It is not simple and takes many years of releasing the pain, fear, rage and despair. First you have to discover yourself, who you are and then give out love in your daily tasks. Slowly it becomes easier but there is a pit to go into and slowly claw your way out as you release the negative emotions. Only then when you are healed can you reach out and help others. Then you can play and laugh and enjoy this beautiful planet by living the love.

[knightofalbion]

This seems apt....

'Sometimes I get very tired with those who want what they call "higher teachings" from the spirit world and do nothing to help their fellow man.
As people grow, they understand more and more the operation of the laws of the Great Spirit.
There is no "high" and there is no "low" teaching.

If all the people who clamour for teachings would do something to make the earth a better place, a brighter place, a place where the hungry would be fed and the thirsty would be given drink, where people were allowed to live in houses where the sunshine of the Great Spirit could reach their poor, tired bodies, then they would be putting into practice the highest teaching of all'
- Silver Birch