Stay Clear Of Ouija Boards And The Like...

[serpentoffire]

* When you were using the Ouija board how does it work?

No one can state exactly how it works. The spirit works though your mind and body to give the messages. This is an ancient Occult method called "channeling."

* Can the Ouija Board harm/kill someone?

The spirit from the board cannot harm or kill you directly. In other words, it usually does not hit you with a hammer or throw you across a room (this is a rare usually occurrence). No, it is more subtle kind of harm. If you spend enough time with the board and spirit communication, your emotions, mind and body will become affected. Depression and suicidal thoughts can be a symptom of “spirit communication" or "spirit chasing."

* Can It Harm You If You Are Not Involved in the Game?

No, you have not given the spirit permission to communicate with you. The spirit can hover around you making you aware of its presence.

* Is There A Nice Way of Playing It?

I do not believe there is a nice way of playing the board. If you contact a spirit, it may seem nice at first, but it lies. You have no way of knowing what spirit you contact. It picks you, you do not pick the spirit.

* Can You Get In Touch With Good spirits as Well as Bad?

My personal experience indicates that the spirits contacted through the board are evil spirits. They might pretend to be good. Eventually, their true personality shows if you spend enough time with it.

* If You Finish the Game Do the Spirits Go or Do they Stay?

You would be very lucky if the spirit would go after you summon it. Some will go at first. The more time you spend on the board, the more chance the spirit will stay.

* Why is it That Only Certain People Can Successfully Work the Board?

Some people have natural spiritual sensitivity. Just like your eye color or personality--spiritual sensitivity a natural part of some people. It is easier for those people to contact the spirits.

* Can you play the Ouija Board Alone?

Yes, it is possible for one person can play the board. Only the spiritually sensitive people can do this--not everyone. You usually need to start with two people though. If you can communicate alone, then you are in more danger. The spirit can get control of your mind, emotions and body faster and easier.

* What if you summon a spirit and you want it to leave. Will it hurt you?

When you tell a spirit to leave, it will not want to go. Depending on the amount of time spent on the board, it will pester you with thoughts of depression, suicide, give you bad dreams. The only way I know to get rid of a spirit is through the power of Jesus Christ.

* Even after everything I read, I still like to use the Ouija board. I use it all the time. I think they are cool. Why should I stop?

Yes, the channeling does seem "cool" Why? The spirits are whatever you want them to be. If you want angels, they will tell you that they are angels. If you want a famous dead person--that is who they will be. They are lying but you will not know until it is too late-- you will be possessed.

* What told you to keep using it?

My curiosity keep me using it. I thought it was a friend and protective spirit. I thought it would help me in life.

* Why couldn't you stop?

I finally stopped when I was getting self-destructive thoughts, nightmares, and hatred for other people. I stopped using the board but the spirit would not leave. Sometimes it would talk though my voice (medium ship) and the most foul language would come out about cursing God and Jesus Christ. Then I knew beyond a doubt that I was tricked. It was not friendly but it was a demon from hell. It would not leave when I told it to. It continued to torture me.

* Was the spirit dangerous? Please tell me what it felt like.

Yes, the spirit was very dangerous. It was in my body and in my mind. It felt like I was losing control of my sanity. I was so fearful I could not sleep for very long at a time. I lost weight and did not eat. The demon would attempt to harass me by telling me why life is not worth it. The thing kept giving me reasons why I should kill myself. I could feel the hatred of people from the demon and I thought the hate was my own. Concentrated effort is needed to be able to tell the difference between my thoughts and the thoughts of the demon.

The control of my own speech and body movements were getting weaker. I would avoid social contact because I was afraid the demon would say something through me that would be very embarrassing.

* Am I or could I get possessed?

Yes, you can become possessed. You probably won't notice it at first. They will slowly gaining control of your mind and body. The more you channel them the deeper your possession will be.

* How do you know if you are possessed?

First, you tell the spirit to leave. They do not leave. You cannot control them. Eventually they will get tired of playing your game--what you want them to be. They will reveal their true nature. Their nature is one that wants to hurt and destroy you. They will give you nightmares. They will confuse your mind. They will give you thoughts of suicide. They will give you irrational fear and hate. When that time comes you will know that you have been tricked and that you are possessed. You know you are possessed when you see yourself losing control of your mind and body.

* Do I really believe that the spirits can be summoned though a cheap devise like a Ouija Board?

Yes, most definitely. The fact that it can be purchased at most stores that sell games makes it all the more dangerous.

* Since I say I believe in God, why am I so negative about the spirits? Don't I believe in good spirits other than God?

The Holy Spirit and Angels are good spirits. When we become "born again" the Holy Spirit fills our spirit and teaches us all truth. Angels are sent at the command of God only. Angels are not to obey our call but only command of God.

The act of touching the planchette of the Ouija Board is a possible invitation to spirit possession. The more involved a person becomes by spending time and effort in communicating the spirit the more chance of possession. If a person is spiritually sensitive, they can be affected by a spirit influence by being in the same room while an Ouija Board is being worked.

Spirit possession is widely misunderstood. Possession usually happens gradually and in stages.

How does a person get possessed?

Risk activities increase as you seek to penetrate our earthly bounds in search of communication with those beyond our realm. With such activities, you are opening yourself up to hidden risk. We are warned of many of these types of activities in the bible and within our own consciousness.

Spirit Behavior in Possession

Possession is usually not a total possession. The person usually has the majority of control. The person can live and function in their life; however, it takes a large amount of control to attempt to live normally. The spirit is always there confusing the person's thinking clamoring for attention. Usually the spirit is friendly enlightened, and protective until the person tells it to leave permanently. Then the spirit gets agitated and begins to show its true nature. The nature of the spirit is one of hatred. The spirit then concentrates energy to destroying the person.

Stages of Possession

These are basic stages of possession taken from not only my experience but from the experience of others.

Partial Influence:
- Spends most of their free time channeling.
- The spirit begins to control and influence the person's behavior and social contacts.
- Friend's and family notice the person's behavior is getting strange.
- Wants to be isolated from friends and family so that they can spend more time with the spirit.

Partial Possession: There is partial control of the mind, speech and some body movements.

- Dreams become intense nightmares.
- Sleep is constantly disturbed.
- Constant headaches
- Negative Emotions such as fear and hate are intensified.
- Might begin talking to the spirit aloud. Family and friends may observe the _person talking to himself.
- Hears spirit voices that confuse thinking patterns and hinder concentration needed for school, work and normal life activities.
- Starts to fear that the spirit's control cannot be stopped.
- Wants isolation from friends and family.
- Thoughts of suicide are frequent and uncontrolled.
- Faster than normal movements of the head, arms and fingers. Does not happen all the time--only when the person loses control for a moment.
- Speaks out of turn in a social situation. What is said is not related to the current conversation.
- Shows agitation by swearing and cursing.

Total Possession:

- Not able to function in life.
- Needs to be institutionalized or commits suicide.
- The doctors diagnosis is mental insanity.

Please consider everything you have read above before ever contemplating the notion of using a Ouija Board

If you have a Ouija Board, throw it away!


Source:
http://www.ghoststudy.com/new10/ouija_boards_explained.htm

[kblood]

I have friends who has tried this, and have tried it myself once. A friend of mine told me that he stopped because one of those who did it comitted suicide.

So, yes, it might lead to answers you could not get otherwise, but the answers are most likely to be lies anyway, you cannot really be sure if you are seeking new knowledge with ouiji boards. Not worth the risk though, there is good reason to stay away from it.

It might not even need a spirit to be involved, it might just be our subconcious making our fears and hopes become shown to others, but having our fears come forth can probably cause alot of harm by itself.

[gods sun]

ouija is not bad or good somtimes you use it to help lost spirits pass, if you know what you are doing then you are safe just have to remmember the spirit might seem a good one but that doesnt mean it is, but like 9/11 there spirits are begging to be found.

[serpentoffire]

ouija is not bad or good somtimes you use it to help lost spirits pass, if you know what you are doing then you are safe just have to remmember the spirit might seem a good one but that doesnt mean it is, but like 9/11 there spirits are begging to be found.

Spirit are not what you think.

Spirits are the son of Fallen Angels and human women, named Nephilims. They are not in the plan of God so they can't ascend. You can't help them and you have to protect yourself from spirits.

http://stargods.org/HumansNephilimReptilians.htm

[paganus]

ouija boards are very useful! IF treated seriously.sometimes people go to them in a spirit of fear,and you get what you give!

[serpentoffire]

ouija boards are very useful! IF treated seriously.sometimes people go to them in a spirit of fear,and you get what you give!

Fear is food for spirits.

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[paganus]

Fear is food for spirits.

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go with the attitude 'in perfect love and perfect trust'. and it disempowers any astral larve etc

[gods sun]

people turn to oujia to see loved ones.

[serpentoffire]

people turn to oujia to see loved ones.

They can't talk with their deaths. Spirits work in disguise assuming your deaths identity, because they know our live, our past and our future.

[gods sun]

you can provoke a curtain spirit to come to you but yes most of the time the spirit could be anyone. sometimes i see myslef on a bench and i see loads of spirits passing me i wait till 1 sits next to me.

[serpentoffire]

you can provoke a curtain spirit to come to you but yes most of the time the spirit could be anyone. sometimes i see myslef on a bench and i see loads of spirits passing me i wait till 1 sits next to me.

I believe that this is true because I have contact with spirits but I assure you that they aren't our deaths.
It is their hoax for humanity.

[paganus]

I believe that this is true because I have contact with spirits but I assure you that they aren't our deaths.
It is their hoax for humanity.prove it! prove theyre lying!

[gods sun]

our soul and spirit are 2 different things, youre spirit doesnt die but its what you want youre spirit to do, and what you do in this life will depend on that. they live its a fact itsjust opening your mind and letting them in. i belive its worse when you drink alcohol dnt you think youre letting mojos get to u? have you ever said that wasnt me whilst intoxicated?

[serpentoffire]

our soul and spirit are 2 different things

Correct. The difference is due to its vibration frequency.
A soul become spirit when have a vibration frequency close to our plane of reality. In this state the spirit is able to manifest itself in the reality.


youre spirit doesnt die

A soul can die. Demons are cannibals of souls.

[serpentoffire]

prove it! prove theyre lying!

it's hard to prove. I could prove it with bible and new testament but probably you'll say that these books are not a reference for everybody.

For my experience spirits come in my mind using face and voices of my deaths. Once I stop to believe them they started to show their self in their real form: a reptilian form.

[cruise4]

I've asked this before but haven't had an answer yet...

How can you distinguish:

a) external beings
b) beings that are really aspects of your own conciousness

[kblood]

I believe that this is true because I have contact with spirits but I assure you that they aren't our deaths.
It is their hoax for humanity.

Well, yes, some spirits just do it to get the attention. What is names to them anyway? But when they come to us and not the other way around, I am certain that they can be the spirit or soul of a person that they appear to be. Using a ouiji board though can attract anything.

I agree with Paganus that if you do not let spirits feed on your fear, then you have nothing to fear from them. Also, beginning with fear and most spirits most likely will try to possess us more or less, for a few more moments of life. Seems to me that this state of being is a higher state of being than the state of being most spirits are on. Most of the ones we get in contact with here anyway.

[kblood]

I've asked this before but haven't had an answer yet...

How can you distinguish:

a) external beings
b) beings that are really aspects of your own conciousness

My experience is, we cannot know for sure. A few times I have gotten information from spirits that I could not have gotten from anywhere else though, unless I was / am able to read minds. I guess that is possible as well though, but in these cases it seems more likely the first one.

If we got a visual of them, it is probably also only what they can get us to imagine. Spirits might not have much sense of vision the same way we do, so we are more likely to give them whatever body we find the most fitting.

[serpentoffire]

I've asked this before but haven't had an answer yet...

How can you distinguish:

a) external beings
b) beings that are really aspects of your own conciousness

In my case they express their self physically moving objects, sending telepathic messages with semitic names of angels that I never knew before, bumping and showing their aspect as winged serpents. Enough?

[seer74]

I've asked this before but haven't had an answer yet...

How can you distinguish:

a) external beings
b) beings that are really aspects of your own conciousness

all beings are aspects of OUR consciousness. we are all one consciousness and all beings from you and i ,to nephilim, to dolphins, to trees are aspects of it.

[seer74]

internal/external is a dualism and therefore an illusion.

[drael]

Just for my 2c, i beleive channelling spirits is like inviting a guests into your home. Do not invite strangers, excercise caution, just like you would with a living entity. There are good spirits, and one can contact them, just as there are bad spirits who will try and take advantage - just like people.

I dont agree with everything said here by along shot, much of it is dogma specific to churchianity, but i do agree with the notion that one shouldnt mess with oiuja boards. It is channelling for the curious, rather than the experienced and its a bit like taking on a hitchhiker on the road as a teenager cause you think it might be fun. The experienced dont need a device so literal and physical, and the curious could easily get into trouble with it. With wisdom and experience one realises that channelling is not an experiment, it is a divinely determined gift of vision, one gets a message when one gets a message - rather than on demand. Of course we all experiment a little, just be cautious :)

Banishing a bad spirit is relatively easy, as ive discussed before. Ask them to leave three times with a force of will, and they will leave. Ask them if they are beings of good or evil three times with a force of will, and they will answer truthfully. If simple banishing doesnt work, a black candle, or the burning of a toxic incense (like tobacco or datura) will do the trick.

Be aware just like you would speaking to a stranger on the internet :)

[serpentoffire]

Banishing a bad spirit is relatively easy, as ive discussed before. Ask them to leave three times with a force of will, and they will leave. Ask them if they are beings of good or evil three times with a force of will, and they will answer truthfully.

Exorcists are not agree with you. Devil entities usually lie about their identity and intentions.


If simple banishing doesnt work, a black candle, or the burning of a toxic incense (like tobacco or datura) will do the trick.


Spread salt around your room or design a pentagram?
All practices for occultists.

[pleasuredome]

from my experience, using ouija boards, table tilting even mediumship is like being a gullible child in a chatroom, imo.

[asentinel]

The ego involved in trying to "help" something which is more than yourself is a trap.

The need to connect beyond what comes or develops naturally is also a trap.

Where you spend your time and energy will be what sticks to you. Isn't that resonance.

Travel in Peace and Light.

[paganus]

The ego involved in trying to "help" something which is more than yourself is a trap.

The need to connect beyond what comes or develops naturally is also a trap.

Where you spend your time and energy will be what sticks to you. Isn't that resonance.

Travel in Peace and Light.you cant contact anything 'beyond yourself' because we are all one anyway!

[drael]

Exorcists are not agree with you. Devil entities usually lie about their identity and intentions.

Yes. Beleive the control religion thats younger than all the other major players in the spritual tradition? No absolutely, if thats what you beleive, it will be true, thats the nature of rituals (And FYI all christian rituals are based on ancient egyptian occultism, look at the egyptian book of the dead, the hermetic order of the golden dawn, and the ancient egyptian christian spell scrolls :p - then go to church!) Why does a church always face a certain direction? Why too the alter? Why use the incense for cleansing? the white candle for purity? The cross for ascension? The cup for communion? Its all ancient ritual, and so is excorcism. Read a wiccan spell and compare it to the average church ritual, or druidism.

Spread salt around your room or design a pentagram?
All practices for occultists.

Yes, correct. Find someone who isnt an occultist...

[serpentoffire]

Yes. Beleive the control religion thats younger than all the other major players in the spritual tradition? No absolutely, if thats what you beleive, it will be true, thats the nature of rituals (And FYI all christian rituals are based on ancient egyptian occultism, look at the egyptian book of the dead, the hermetic order of the golden dawn, and the ancient egyptian christian spell scrolls :p - then go to church!) Why does a church always face a certain direction? Why too the alter? Why use the incense for cleansing? the white candle for purity? The cross for ascension? The cup for communion? Its all ancient ritual, and so is excorcism. Read a wiccan spell and compare it to the average church ritual, or druidism.

Catholic religion is full of paganism, I know very well.
I remember you that odors, repetitive sound, repetitive speeching help the auto-hypnosis (NLP). This help the church to mind control the people.

But this isn't God.

The communion is a methaphor of the real communion between souls. Two or more spirits can stay superimposed one each other. Obviously the best is to be in communion with the great spirit of this multiverse, the Holy Spirit.

I know that satanists perform the spiritual communion with demons.


Yes, correct. Find someone who isnt an occultist...
For example, I'm not an occultist.

[angelicangel]

I used to mess around with the above said board, or more like papers cut into alphabet size pieces and numbers to relate to the board. It was a pass time my family used to mess around with. My father would say that one day if he passed away before any of us he would scare the life out of us. Not thinking about it, we did try to find out things about our past life, this of course was after my father passed away. We had messages come through and not thinking too much about them, hurriedly throw the pieces of paper away. But it wasnt until a few hours later when sat in the house on my own that i saw on the Television the three answers that had been sent. They was all to do with the Dunkirk landing.
But what was strange, I didn't know that my father had been rescued by the Merchant Navy and that was one of the last questions that was given.
From that day forward, I must say I have never attempted to use a board again, my fathers words came true, he did scare me to death.:confused:

[asentinel]

you cant contact anything 'beyond yourself' because we are all one anyway!

you just see what you want to see and then answer with what you wanted to put forth all along, trying to be smug, trying to dismiss.

... we are all one anyway ..... a very throw away answer, very new age, and very occult all at the same time.

If we are all one and there is nothing outside of yourself, then why do you speak of having to protect self and approach any occult practices with a certain mindset, it should not matter if you believe in what you say.

If you really believe there is nothing to fear, we are all one, why do you play your little games of ritual and protection and gobbledeguk?? Surely you are only playing with yourself then and there is a folk tale that one can go blind doing that????:D

[rasnalgoul]

Speaking of spirit possesion, contacting spirits, often while smokin marijuana i would have visions of what I believed was oneness. It was often just complex geometry and I would like a burning flame. But other times I feel as though I encountered various beings in such states. At one point I felt I had brought some back with me, and I could not sleep well had bad nightmares, just generally did not feel well. I foolishly attempted to call a spirit/god who I knew nothing about, only heard its name in a documentary to aid me in getting rid of some spirits, but im not sure it worked. So I have been thinking here that most of the time the bad feelings would be amplified when using marijuana, it was if I was caught up in my own small dilemmas and dramas, it seems to me now that by doing this I might have been drawing suchs entities to myself with such behavior. Maybe a good technique for getting rid of such subconcious/entities/vibrations whatever would be to reconnect with the source/oneness and be one with it. What I am picturing now is light shining down through your whole body struck by light cleaning you of all negativities, clensing harmonizing the vibration of the being. What do you think?

[kblood]

Catholic religion is full of paganism, I know very well.
I remember you that odors, repetitive sound, repetitive speeching help the auto-hypnosis (NLP). This help the church to mind control the people.

But this isn't God.

The communion is a methaphor of the real communion between souls. Two or more spirits can stay superimposed one each other. Obviously the best is to be in communion with the great spirit of this multiverse, the Holy Spirit.

I know that satanists perform the spiritual communion with demons.


For example, I'm not an occultist.

My point of view on it is that the Church needed to control pagans most of all, since the amount of freedom pagans had would not serve the purpose later. Everyone need to be indoctrined without open freeminded beliefs that was the heart of paganism, because it was close to undefined at all. Although the Church had taken in the events like Winter Solstice and others, and matched them with biblical events (adjusted to be at the pagan events, like the birth of Christ and other events), and later they still claimed all "occult" to be anti-christian. All part of the believe in our god to be the only god. the pagan events originated from earlier teachings and traditions from Babylon, or that is what I have read at least.

Serpentoffire, I have to say on the all spirits being evil I disagree. "Ask any exorcist..."? I bet I could find one or two exorcists with a firm believe in good spiritual entities that we can communicate with telepathically.

The whole spirits are only manipulative and evil seems a narrow view on it to me, it just doesnt seem to fit with the greater picture. Many of your arguments for all spirits to be so seems very flawed. What you are really saying is to not use telepathy at all then? And what about other spiritual powers like healing, TK, precognition and so on, they are likely to be granted by spirits or being occult all by itself. It is according to catholic views anyway.

That we are surrounded by evil manipulative beings, without any counterweight to it... no cant see any reason to believe it, and if true, they sure are doing a really bad job at being evil. Manipulative can be said about good beings as well, not evil by itself. It is in some ways manipulative just to teach others what you or I see as the truth. I need some arguments not based on text, since text written and probably even comming from the Bible or other religions or false beliefs is something I cannot believe in as true evidence.

What I need is good arguments for there not being goodnatured spirits, trying to do good, and only being here and maybe just for a short while, for the benefit of others. Otherwise I cannot say I am going to change my mind about it, but I dont expect I can change your mind about it either.

[serpentoffire]

Speaking of spirit possesion, contacting spirits, often while smokin marijuana i would have visions of what I believed was oneness. It was often just complex geometry and I would like a burning flame. But other times I feel as though I encountered various beings in such states. At one point I felt I had brought some back with me, and I could not sleep well had bad nightmares, just generally did not feel well. I foolishly attempted to call a spirit/god who I knew nothing about, only heard its name in a documentary to aid me in getting rid of some spirits, but im not sure it worked. So I have been thinking here that most of the time the bad feelings would be amplified when using marijuana, it was if I was caught up in my own small dilemmas and dramas, it seems to me now that by doing this I might have been drawing suchs entities to myself with such behavior. Maybe a good technique for getting rid of such subconcious/entities/vibrations whatever would be to reconnect with the source/oneness and be one with it. What I am picturing now is light shining down through your whole body struck by light cleaning you of all negativities, clensing harmonizing the vibration of the being. What do you think?

That you are playing with the fire.

[serpentoffire]

Serpentoffire, I have to say on the all spirits being evil I disagree. "Ask any exorcist..."? I bet I could find one or two exorcists with a firm believe in good spiritual entities that we can communicate with telepathically.

Angels don't talk with humans simply because we are too underdeveloped cerebrally. This don't implies that they don't talk with humans at all. In fact the old and new testament are full of examples in this sense. What I said is that if you call a spirit or a demon (fallen angel) he comes, but angels came only if God wants to comunicate you something or give you a particular help. Occultists think instead that angels are under control of humans. In reality fallen angels and spirits help humans to realize evil actions only to get their souls.


The whole spirits are only manipulative and evil seems a narrow view on it to me, it just doesnt seem to fit with the greater picture. Many of your arguments for all spirits to be so seems very flawed. What you are really saying is to not use telepathy at all then? And what about other spiritual powers like healing, TK, precognition and so on, they are likely to be granted by spirits or being occult all by itself. It is according to catholic views anyway.

Let me explain better. Image you are a farmer and you have some sheeps in your farm. So you feed them fresh grass, cure their disease, protect them from wolfs and give them a place where to sleep. But you have the sheeps only to obtain wool, milk and their flesh. From the sheep point of view, you are good until you don't kill them.

Spirits have the same behaviour with humans, they protect their sources of energy.
And most understand this reality too late, when their soul is lost (=food for jabulon).

[angelicangel]

I have never experienced the affect of drugs, only percribed drugs, they were bad enough. When you do not know a best friend when meeting them in the street and not knowing what has taken place in your own home, things begin to feel very strange. I soon came off those drugs swearing never to take them again. I frightened the whole family and they had never seen a zombie that I had become. My encounters are no way to do with the drugs I took, they was while level headed and wide awake.;)

[cl2008]

I remember you that odors, repetitive sound, repetitive speeching help the auto-hypnosis (NLP). This help the church to mind control the people.


I was born Catholic. Yes I know what youre talking about. The Catholic religion is full of repetitive prayers.

I didnt really like that stuff. I find it boring. Thats why when I go to church, I prefer sitting in an isolated corner and praying instead of doing those repetitive prayers.

However, I see no bad intentions from the Catholic Church. I think that they made repetitive prayers is because most people are not developed enough spiritually, to be able to talk to God or listen to him. Most people imagine God talking to them where WORDS are actually heard and picked up by their sense of hearing. That is not the case because God, being a superior being, does not need to talk to get his point across.

For example, when I tried explaining to coworkers that God (or any other superior beings) speaks to you through your mind that they dont need to use words, I was immediately called a 'weirdo'.

Same when I implied about the capability of the human being to evolve and be able to develop telepathy. The 'weirdo' I was called. Just because I hinted at the possibility that the present state of humanity is not the last step of evolution. That I just had to stop explaining and divert the conversation to more shallow stuff.

In Christianity, that can be referred to as your 'conscience'. When you feel bad when you do evil. When you feel good when you do good.

I just realized it recently.

When I experimented with meditation and such, I realized that to be actually able to communicate with God, you need a certain level of spiritual development.

I dont claim to be able to communicate with God when I want to. Its one of the things that just happens like some kind of mental telepathy. Thoughts just go into your head. Ideas just go into your head. If you let it happen. If your mind is clear enough.

But then again, I dont claim to be spiritually evolved enough. I am still taking my baby steps as far as spiritual development is concerned.

I've also seen and heard of priests spending hours and hours of meditation in front of the altar. According to them, they feel good whenever they do it.

Just my 2 cents here. :)

[kblood]

Angels don't talk with humans simply because we are too underdeveloped cerebrally. This don't implies that they don't talk with humans at all. In fact the old and new testament are full of examples in this sense. What I said is that if you call a spirit or a demon (fallen angel) he comes, but angels came only if God wants to comunicate you something or give you a particular help. Occultists think instead that angels are under control of humans. In reality fallen angels and spirits help humans to realize evil actions only to get their souls.


Let me explain better. Image you are a farmer and you have some sheeps in your farm. So you feed them fresh grass, cure their disease, protect them from wolfs and give them a place where to sleep. But you have the sheeps only to obtain wool, milk and their flesh. From the sheep point of view, you are good until you don't kill them.

Spirits have the same behaviour with humans, they protect their sources of energy.
And most understand this reality too late, when their soul is lost (=food for jabulon).

But that just doesnt explain the spirits who does not tempt or manipulate, only guide people. Spirits who actually helps people become good persons. You seem to define it as black and white as christianity does. I say follow your heart and instinct more than anything else.

I have met persons who seemed willingly possessed by evil spirits. Still I think I succeeded in having them not be lost souls. I do not believe we can completely loose our souls before we have left this plain at least. After that, it seems possible. Salvation and redemption seems always there if you dare seek it.

To put it in other words, there seems to be degrees of these spirits.

[serpentoffire]

But that just doesnt explain the spirits who does not tempt or manipulate, only guide people. Spirits who actually helps people become good persons.

I have some doubts about spirits that help you to become better.
Yes, maybe they help you, but only to preserve their preferred meal.


You seem to define it as black and white as christianity does. I say follow your heart and instinct more than anything else.

Maybe it so because I'm christian, but there isn't an intermediate way: or God or slave of Lucifer. But you are free to proof for yourself.


I have met persons who seemed willingly possessed by evil spirits. Still I think I succeeded in having them not be lost souls. I do not believe we can completely loose our souls before we have left this plain at least. After that, it seems possible. Salvation and redemption seems always there if you dare seek it.

I saw several people with black aura inside. I don't think that for them there is room for saving their soul from damnation.


To put it in other words, there seems to be degrees of these spirits.
That's correct in term of strength of each spirit: the ability to interact with this plane of reality.

[angelicangel]

I was born Catholic. Yes I know what youre talking about. The Catholic religion is full of repetitive prayers.

I didnt really like that stuff. I find it boring. Thats why when I go to church, I prefer sitting in an isolated corner and praying instead of doing those repetitive prayers.

However, I see no bad intentions from the Catholic Church. I think that they made repetitive prayers is because most people are not developed enough spiritually, to be able to talk to God or listen to him. Most people imagine God talking to them where WORDS are actually heard and picked up by their sense of hearing. That is not the case because God, being a superior being, does not need to talk to get his point across.

For example, when I tried explaining to coworkers that God (or any other superior beings) speaks to you through your mind that they dont need to use words, I was immediately called a 'weirdo'.

Same when I implied about the capability of the human being to evolve and be able to develop telepathy. The 'weirdo' I was called. Just because I hinted at the possibility that the present state of humanity is not the last step of evolution. That I just had to stop explaining and divert the conversation to more shallow stuff.

In Christianity, that can be referred to as your 'conscience'. When you feel bad when you do evil. When you feel good when you do good.

I just realized it recently.

When I experimented with meditation and such, I realized that to be actually able to communicate with God, you need a certain level of spiritual development.

I dont claim to be able to communicate with God when I want to. Its one of the things that just happens like some kind of mental telepathy. Thoughts just go into your head. Ideas just go into your head. If you let it happen. If your mind is clear enough.

But then again, I dont claim to be spiritually evolved enough. I am still taking my baby steps as far as spiritual development is concerned.

I've also seen and heard of priests spending hours and hours of meditation in front of the altar. According to them, they feel good whenever they do it.

Just my 2 cents here. :) I wasn't born into the Catholic community but my mother was. She taught me things about religion and helped me realize that god was good, the devil was bad. Oh yes you can see many people that are bad and many good souls that live around. Whether they are rich or poor, they are there and don't want to hurt anyone.;)

[drael]

Occultists think instead that angels are under control of humans.

This is both untrue and confused. There are several layers of entities in the occultists cosmsology, culminating in what might be refered to as angels and archangels. These entities do not at all obey human command, and nor do demons (except gods law, that they must obey). Sometimes an outworld being will witness a ritual in some occult traditions.

It is only the ceremonial magician, or the black magician, who uses magician bindings and summoning tricks like true names etc, to summon and bind outworld entities to a task. And it is not through command, but through magickal principles. Of course i dont recommend anyone do this, its totally insanely dangerous.

But in most cases, the entities come to a channeller or medium. If they are pure, and picky about who and what they talk to, they can talk only to pure beings, like their personal guide (aka the higher self), and occasional divine messages from god, spirits or angels. To suggest the positive divine connection does not exist doesnt make sense even for a christian. Moses and the burning bush? Mary and her angel? no man they were satan :rolleyes: The bible is full with such connections, suggesting they are possible and accessible. Through prayer each night you talk direct to god. Why isnt that satan in disguise?

The indescriminate channeller or especially medium ends up dealing with far to many beings of unknown nature. This is whats dangerous, because its easy to reach a negative entity. To reach a higher source, is generally to be worthy, rather than wanting.

[kblood]

Hmm... about controlling spirits I have a pretty... special story.

I did an experiment, which is probably not at all morally sound. I thought, how about trying to change things for the better in the middle east? Show them (sorry but I am a bit anti-jesus the way the bible shows him, I would like people to know the things he did was to show us what we are capable of, but that doesnt seem what the bible want us to know), so I wanted to show them that "miracles" can happen these days.

I found out about a boy dying in an Israel prison. Young man rather, maybe 18-23 years old I estimate. He was from Palestina and got captured for for some reason, and died at the hands of Israel soldiers. Well, guns. I believe he was a bit revered by his people and rumours were that he could heal a bit. I summoned his spirit to me, and bound him to a girl I did not knew that well, but she seemed ideal for it. Then I had her train him to write in his spirit form. Takes a while for these beings learning to use telekinesis. I think she was the one who found someone who knew how to write their language, and they came up with a message of peace for the Palestinian and Israelian people for the spirit to write or copy down in the middle east.

It worked, quite well. The spirit was recorded on a DV cam, writing the message, with only the floating pen visible if I remember correctly. The most remarkable is however that the spirit changed the message written, so it was not just a copy, because some boy watching it happen told him to. The changed part was written crudely compared to the first part.

Maybe the vid is on google vid or youtube. I believe it got to be a news item on some news channels. It was a far shot for creating peace, but I learned some new stuff about spirits. Mostly that they should probably be allowed to rest, I think he could have spent his afterlife better. Got rid of him after a month or so, and loosing contact with the girl.

It is not uncommon for spirits to do as commanded, but I believe it is bad karma making spirits do stuff for you, whatever the reasons for it. If they come out of their own accord, they might have important messages though. I dont mind being without spirits in my life though :) They are creepy, most of them anyway.

[kblood]

Speaking of spirit possesion, contacting spirits, often while smokin marijuana i would have visions of what I believed was oneness. It was often just complex geometry and I would like a burning flame. But other times I feel as though I encountered various beings in such states. At one point I felt I had brought some back with me, and I could not sleep well had bad nightmares, just generally did not feel well. I foolishly attempted to call a spirit/god who I knew nothing about, only heard its name in a documentary to aid me in getting rid of some spirits, but im not sure it worked. So I have been thinking here that most of the time the bad feelings would be amplified when using marijuana, it was if I was caught up in my own small dilemmas and dramas, it seems to me now that by doing this I might have been drawing suchs entities to myself with such behavior. Maybe a good technique for getting rid of such subconcious/entities/vibrations whatever would be to reconnect with the source/oneness and be one with it. What I am picturing now is light shining down through your whole body struck by light cleaning you of all negativities, clensing harmonizing the vibration of the being. What do you think?

The few times I have had that oneness kinda of feeling, or state of mind, I was not focusing on light or spirits. I guess it almost felt like jolts of joy at times, feeling everything as being connected, animals, insects, trees, plants, us, the planet. Stars guiding us, or at least affecting us, though they might not even be anymore due to the light we see has come from millions of lightyears away. It also felt as if being able to know everything I needed or wanted to know, so I asked myself questions, and the answers seemed to be very simple and easy to come to. At the time they seemed very deep and clever, but I am do not really remember it that well anymore. Might just have been stupid senseless stuff :o Everything felt possible though. I thought, what should I try first? Levitating? But it didnt seem right even to try it, to do something that defying of this illusion. These short periods of time were the seeds of many ideas and experiments I later then tried out.

I have never used stimulants to get into the state of oneness... but then my mind is probably a bit out of balance on its own. I fear I would become too unbalanced by them. The state of oneness might in some ways also act as the Wiccan circle of protection, with which you protect yourself from harm, which is likely to keep others from having ad intentions towards you... or that is what Paganus wrote if I understood it correctly.

When you are in this state of mind Raznalgoul, do you then feel joy and love for everything? If so, then those feeling alone seems protect a person by themselves, since the person becomes very positive in this state. Can also be a source of confidence that spirits probably cant penetrate.

Does that sound true?

[serpentoffire]

But in most cases, the entities come to a channeller or medium. If they are pure, and picky about who and what they talk to, they can talk only to pure beings, like their personal guide (aka the higher self), and occasional divine messages from god, spirits or angels. To suggest the positive divine connection does not exist doesnt make sense even for a christian. Moses and the burning bush? Mary and her angel? no man they were satan :rolleyes: The bible is full with such connections, suggesting they are possible and accessible. Through prayer each night you talk direct to god. Why isnt that satan in disguise?

You can't compare the holy spirit or other God's angel with fallen angels and their sons, the spirits. You can't call a God's angel simply because they are under direct control of God's commands. Often people recall entities with the name of fallen angels. In reality they are recalling a spirit (a nephilm) with the name of his father.

[rasnalgoul]

yes these feeling I have often were feeling of intense joy and love for all things which i never felt before. In these states it was if nothing could go wrong, but not in the sense that bad things couldnt happen, more of the feeling that even if they do it is not something to worry about. But after a while everything went to fear, even the ritual I attempted was done in a lashing out type manner, I attacked entities I wished to leave me alone violently in my trance. At one point it even seemed that after a large attack on my part in which I believed i had driven the entity away it was still there so I left in fear. Thinking back on it I realize now that the entire thing was a complete mess of mixed ideas and half assed attempt at fixing a 'problem' with a 'solution' when really I needed to rest a bit relax and collect my thoughts and center. Its just that in a state of fear you cant think straight. I just needed to draw happiness to myself and retune myself to the positive.

[rasnalgoul]

that positive confidence which you mentioned really does work.

[kblood]

yes these feeling I have often were feeling of intense joy and love for all things which i never felt before. In these states it was if nothing could go wrong, but not in the sense that bad things couldnt happen, more of the feeling that even if they do it is not something to worry about. But after a while everything went to fear, even the ritual I attempted was done in a lashing out type manner, I attacked entities I wished to leave me alone violently in my trance. At one point it even seemed that after a large attack on my part in which I believed i had driven the entity away it was still there so I left in fear. Thinking back on it I realize now that the entire thing was a complete mess of mixed ideas and half assed attempt at fixing a 'problem' with a 'solution' when really I needed to rest a bit relax and collect my thoughts and center. Its just that in a state of fear you cant think straight. I just needed to draw happiness to myself and retune myself to the positive.

The best protection against such beings seem this feeling of love and joy itself. It makes you sure that you cannot be hurt by them, and therefore you wont. I dont know if it is because spirits are very... instinctive, or that it might just be that there are so many of them, but it seems that a few moments of fear is enough to let them gain an upper hand, which then makes it hard to regain psychic balance and confidence.

I agree with you that the feeling of oneness does make everything seem like nothing can go wrong :) I miss that feeling, although I guess I have it now and then in a lesser form. Im just not soulsearching much anymore, and do not have as many questions about it all as I used to, so now I am just trying to see how best to use what I have learned from it.

[eternal_spirit]

I've talked to good and bad spirits

[eternal_spirit]

Anyone up for doing one?

[artsapart]

both my partner and I have experience of the Ouija board independently and both in our youth and we would both advise the same....excorsise (pardon the pun) caution with yourself and others when using it..... its probably best left alone if unexperienced people are using it needless to say neither of us use it now.

[exicutioner151]

it's hard to prove. I could prove it with bible and new testament but probably you'll say that these books are not a reference for everybody.

For my experience spirits come in my mind using face and voices of my deaths. Once I stop to believe them they started to show their self in their real form: a reptilian form.


Hi Serpentoffire,
If i took David Ickes books and ommited certian parts and rewrote others and added my own text in places and republished them as Valid whole David Icke books , would u hold them as totally true and gospel of David Icke ?


History tells of several kings and the vatican and popes who have ommitted chapters rewritten and added matieral to the bible . Hence all the versions like the totally shredded king james version which is mabey 40 % original . Why is it accepted so much like its not been tainted by so many?

Exicutioner151

[eternal_spirit]

Anyone up for doing one?

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:confused:

[exicutioner151]

Anyone up for doing one?

Hi Eternal_spirit ,
Up for doing what a ouija session ? I do have one as im bout 50% sure u may as well due to thier availability . :D

Exicutioner151

[serpentoffire]

Hi Serpentoffire,
If i took David Ickes books and ommited certian parts and rewrote others and added my own text in places and republished them as Valid whole David Icke books , would u hold them as totally true and gospel of David Icke ?


History tells of several kings and the vatican and popes who have ommitted chapters rewritten and added matieral to the bible . Hence all the versions like the totally shredded king james version which is mabey 40 % original . Why is it accepted so much like its not been tainted by so many?

Exicutioner151

I don't want defend a book that it's 90% mythology. But it is an interesting source of informations to know, maybe to understand a part of real truth (maybe 1 or 2% of it).

[eternal_spirit]

Hi Eternal_spirit ,
Up for doing what a ouija session ? I do have one as im bout 50% sure u may as well due to thier availability . :D

Exicutioner151

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I've had much experience with it, but need the right people, can't just be anyone.

[exicutioner151]

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I've had much experience with it, but need the right people, can't just be anyone.

Hi eternal_spirit ,
Ive got a board like isaid and have done some things with it but mostly i use a pendilum with chart designed by myself as a ouija . I have also made a board befor from a really nice table and it was sold for a good chunk of change .
I do have a good bit of expierence with the pendilum i made my own . and decorated it and put alot of energy into it . When i got the matierial to make it i went way outta my way to get choice pieces . Im sure u know things u make ur self and put alot of time and care making things is more powerful then things u buy in a store thats been manufactured .

My journey started into Occult and other things of the fashion when i was around 12 . I would read alot of books i could find in the school library and public library . I started making things like that when i was in my early 20's , after alot of reading and a few ouija tries with minimal success . After making my own tools i started getting more and more success. I've had various contacts which i take this thing very seriously . Everyone usually tries to contact dead relatives and people they miss , and yes ive tried this as well . My main thing i am almost obsessive about is confirmation! It is the most important thing u can have to prove anything .

One last spirit i did contact had almost ordered me after talking for at least a few months is to stop doing the oujia and using the pendilum . And if i try to use it to ask about something i may get an answer but im demanded to stop and talk other ways . For instance after I began talking regularly i was told that spirits can hear u thinking if its focused outwards , which i was told to do . Also they can hear u talk out loud as well but , that can get u committed ! :D So i began talking using mind to spirit and continue till this day . Thoughts are pushed towards me when i ask a question and its very distinctive and different from my own thoughts . But it is up to u if u wish to choose to have me join with u in this , as i will give it a shot . thanks for listening .


Exicutioner151

[naga]

I remember playing with the Ouija Board as a kid by myself, got so good at it that latter I did not need one. When I did not have a board I made my own and used a pendulum. Now I just do automatic writing or let them step in and channel- careful with that one though! My man does NOT like it when I/them do that, especially when he is talking with me one moment and the next thing I'm gone and someone else is talking to him. :eek:

I've got a better handle on it now though. Remember to always ground yourself, surround yourself with white light and make your intentions very clear!

[exicutioner151]

I remember playing with the Ouija Board as a kid by myself, got so good at it that latter I did not need one. When I did not have a board I made my own and used a pendulum. Now I just do automatic writing or let them step in and channel- careful with that one though! My man does NOT like it when I/them do that, especially when he is talking with me one moment and the next thing I'm gone and someone else is talking to him. :eek:

I've got a better handle on it now though. Remember to always ground yourself, surround yourself with white light and make your intentions very clear!

Hi Naga ,
I hear ya there , when ever my voice changes and my demenar , facial features and body shifts it freaks some out that do not know . Course the shift is totally different then like being say a reptilian and shifting . i have a friend or 2 that knows i get taken over at times and they usually say Hi when they see the change . How long have u been taking entities inside u ? I have id say since i was around 22 . I got into channling round 21 and i do know that a bit later in life i had several expierences of it which i wont go into in public nor with just anyone . so let me know when u wish to talk about that subject. as for the board and pendilum i get told every time i try using them to stop put it away and use my mind . sometimes i even get demanded . and i know the ones telling me this is only trying to protect me . so i listen as i do when told what ever .

Exicutioner151

[empyblessing]

This is just what I needed, someone else telling me what to do. Cause' I just don't get enough of it everywhere else I go.

[boosh_it]

Help Requested....

Hi all, been browsing the site for a while now but thought it was time I showed, so to speak!

Basically, in February of this year a close friend of mine passed on as a result of a car crash. There were no other casualties/fatalities and we are told he would have died instantly. Sadly, he left a wife and three children.

Over the last few months since, his wife has been making contact through spiritualists and the like, with some success it seems, even over the phone in a couple of instances. This week the standard coroners report will be issued and me and a close friend will be staying with my deceased friends wife the night before this, giving support etc. To my request.....I'm pretty sure (call me psychic or something, lol) my widowed friends wife, on said night this week, will want to try and make contact with hubby via her, me and close friend, the three of us. Can you advise, IF, we do try what we should/shouldn't be doing? Should we use Ouija board for instance? Please, no smart arses saying, just don't! Best to be prepared etc.

For the record, the three of us are all thirtysomethings, two male/one female, of sound mind and will be at the home of the deceased. I have seen at least one ghost, I'm as sure as sure can be and certainly felt/experienced various "presence" at different times and places throughout my lifetime.

I have done some research on this via the web. It seems being open and at the same time of a controlled mind is a necessity. Asking any spirit to leave, also has to be a 100% yes. I would really appreciate the help, thoughts and opinion of you guys and girls:)

Many thanks.

[serpentoffire]

Help Requested....

Hi all, been browsing the site for a while now but thought it was time I showed, so to speak!

Basically, in February of this year a close friend of mine passed on as a result of a car crash. There were no other casualties/fatalities and we are told he would have died instantly. Sadly, he left a wife and three children.

Over the last few months since, his wife has been making contact through spiritualists and the like, with some success it seems, even over the phone in a couple of instances. This week the standard coroners report will be issued and me and a close friend will be staying with my deceased friends wife the night before this, giving support etc. To my request.....I'm pretty sure (call me psychic or something, lol) my widowed friends wife, on said night this week, will want to try and make contact with hubby via her, me and close friend, the three of us. Can you advise, IF, we do try what we should/shouldn't be doing? Should we use Ouija board for instance? Please, no smart arses saying, just don't! Best to be prepared etc.

For the record, the three of us are all thirtysomethings, two male/one female, of sound mind and will be at the home of the deceased. I have seen at least one ghost, I'm as sure as sure can be and certainly felt/experienced various "presence" at different times and places throughout my lifetime.

I have done some research on this via the web. It seems being open and at the same time of a controlled mind is a necessity. Asking any spirit to leave, also has to be a 100% yes. I would really appreciate the help, thoughts and opinion of you guys and girls:)

Many thanks.

Deads can't comunticate with anyone in this plane of reality. You could comunicate through channeling with a spirit that will try to deceive you giving a false identity (they know all about us because they live with us). Don't interact with them if you are not ready.

If you are not able to dominate them, they will dominate you!!

[karmic]

hi im a clairvoyant medium and i talk to those that have passed into spirit eveyday, i have two guides who have walked with me since childhood they both kind of vet those who come through to me so i feel very safe,i also channel spirit, i have used the ouija board in the past and there should be no problem if protection is asked for from your guides.

[element]

I agree with serpent. Why would you want to make contact with spirits/ghosts? To make contact with loved ones I can understand, but please do it with someone who has real experience and strength for it, otherwise it's like playing with fire. You never know what you might attract.