is george snr a paeodo?

[hogans]

icke makes this suggestion in his new book... i havnt read it yet... but whats his info on this matter?

cheers

[tinmenace]

Yes, people, actual witnesses, have accused him of being a pedophile.

You have to wonder why he hasn't sued for slander? Doesn't want a full-blown investigation maybe?


;)

[on the road]

He said it live on bbc radio 2 last night .

[adimon]

Can we make a list of the sum total of the evidence that GHWB is a paedophile?

I tell you why he doesn't sue. Because he doesn't have to. There is no evidence to rebuke.

[tinmenace]

:D:p

[tinmenace]

If anyone ever slandered me by calling me a pedophile, I'd take action. Why? Because my integrity is important to me.

[adimon]

Sure Tinmenace, me too, but it's not logical to extrapolate from mine and your views that anyone who DOESN'T SUE is guilty. Do you not agree with logic?

[hirschfelder]

Can we make a list of the sum total of the evidence that GHWB is a paedophile?

I tell you why he doesn't sue. Because he doesn't have to. There is no evidence to rebuke.

And shall I tell you why there is no evidence to rebuke? Because he's one of the most powerful men on the planet and more than capable of ensuring his (living) victims have no evidence to support their testimony.

There is a reason why a robber wears a mask

The fact that there is no evidence means that and only that, it has no bearing on truth and reality

When we're talking about a shadowy elite and global secret conspiracies, we have to appreciate that they may well have thought it a good idea to cover their tracks and leave no evidence

If you need evidence to prove to you what is real/true, you are begging to have your truth/reality dictated to you

Most people who believe the war is just, or that JFK was killed by a lone-gunman, or that 9/11 was done by terrorists, do so on the grounds that there is little or no evidence to support an alternate explanation

EDIT: I'm not saying he IS a paedo, just that the allegations shouldn't be dismissed because the ex-president and head of CIA wasn't careless enough to leave a semen stained corpse lying around

[adimon]

So why do you believe the opposite then hirschfelder?

EDIT

EDIT: I'm not saying he IS a paedo, just that the allegations shouldn't be dismissed because the ex-president and head of CIA wasn't careless enough to leave a semen stained corpse lying around

OK, so you were editing when I was replying.

I'll rephrase:-

Why WOULD a person believe the opposite then?

Because some other people they've never met say so? (Kathy O'Brien?)

[raffles]

Have you any evidence he isn't a pedo adimon ?

[adimon]

Have you any evidence you're not a paedophile raffles?

[raffles]

plenty, how about you, and can you prove your not a pedo ?
but this thread is about bush snr, people like cathy o'brien say he is, but your always quick to defend scum like the bushes, why is that ?

[hirschfelder]

Why WOULD a person believe the opposite then?

Because some other people they've never met say so? (Kathy O'Brien?)

I don't know, you'd have to ask someone who believed the opposite I guess. But if there is a body of testimonial evidence from disparate sources, then there is a possibility that these allegations have some basis and they shouldn't be dismissed just because there's no evidence.

Hopefully one day the truth will out, for better or worse

My ex girlfriend didn't like me smoking weed so I simply hid the evidence of my weed smoking, it didn't mean I didn't smoke weed, only that it couldn't be PROVEN I did

[raffles]

And theres always the franklin cover up, is this not evidence to you adimon ?

Source: http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm


This was the biggest scandal in the history of the U.S.A history. The story received some newspaper coverage but there was a TV News Media blackout on the subject. For this reason, most Americans have never heard of it.
Former republican Senator John Decamp was involved in the production a documentary called "Conspiracy of Silence" it was to air May 3, 1994 on the Discovery Channel. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired.
Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved. You can purchase a VHS copy at this link (http://educate-yourself.org/tg/tgvideosandbooks1sep02.shtml). Or you can view an online copy at this page. Franklin Cover up video page (http://www.thelawparty.org/Franklincoverup.htm)
Boy prostitutes 15 years old (and younger) were taking midnight tours of the Whitehouse. There are 19 more Washington Times articles in full text about this case available here at this link (http://www.newsmakingnews.com/sexandcapitol7,18,01.htm#article4).
Newspaper scans or text are not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

[tinmenace]

plenty, how about you, and can you prove your not a pedo ?
but this thread is about bush snr, people like cathy o'brien say he is, but your always quick to defend scum like the bushes, why is that ?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/birds.jpg

Cute birdies, not as cute as the bunny, but cute, yeah? :)

[adimon]

plenty, how about you, and can you prove your not a pedo ?
but this thread is about bush snr, people like cathy o'brien say he is, but your always quick to defend scum like the bushes, why is that ?

What evidence do you have?

[raffles]

What evidence do you have?

Take it you couldnt be bothered to read my post above on the franklin cover up, whats your take on that ?
Just a coincidence that the bushes where involved is it ?

[adimon]

I will respond if you answer my question from quite some time ago asking you what evidence you have that you aren't a paedophile.

[raffles]

I will respond if you answer my question from quite some time ago asking you what evidence you have that you aren't a paedophile.

Ive already stated i have loads cant you read ? :rolleyes:

[raffles]

And do you have any proof you arn't a pedo ?

[adimon]

Ive already stated i have loads cant you read ? :rolleyes:

Such as?

[raffles]

Thats none of your buisness.
And why you sidetracking this thread with your BS ?

Now answer some of the valid points posted here or go some where else.

[adimon]

It's not BS, it's valid.

You said that GHWB has provided no evidence that he ISN'T a paedophile and I've been playing devil's advocate to try to establish how you think an individual should go about proving they aren't a paedophile.

Since you have found it hard to answer, and since I can offer no particular answer myself as to how one would prove this, can we can conclude that the burden of proof is not with the accused?

I am not a paedophile, as I'm sure you're not, but your arguments against GHWB are logically flawed, I'm sorry.

Can a person prove they are left-handed? Yes.

Could they prove they don't like Sinatra? No.

[raffles]

Ive posted that franklin link for crying out loud, is that not some sort of evidence to you? then theres the cathy o'brien statement and others.

If its walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then its a duck...

[adimon]

No it is not evidence to me because one is a half lie and one is a full lie.

[raffles]

oh its just a coincidence nothing to worry about !! thanks for your wonderful insight adimon !!!!

And how do you know they where lies ? where you at the white house when it all took place ?
I guess you must have been as that the sort of evidence you require.

[adimon]

Keep making the jibes...they really back up your argument.

What I mean raffles is that Cathy O'Brien is IMO a liar. She makes outrageous claims which she cannot corroborate. There are massive discrepancies in her story, and I believe her to be a self-publicist.

The half-lie is the representation of the legal proceedings you gave us. Some of the pictures are copies of copies, and many of the facts are scrambled and twisted.

If that's the way you do research then fine, but I prefer the real thing.

[raffles]

Well i think cathy o'brien could be telling the truth, i wont just dismiss it out of hand because it sounds too far fetched, and then theres franklin cover up and other reports of people saying bush snr is a child abuser, to me something smells.

[misscpb]

icke makes this suggestion in his new book... i havnt read it yet... but whats his info on this matter?

cheers

Hi

I remember reading in "Transformation of America" that he continually abused Cathy O'Briens young female child, and often hunted her and her mother in some kind of military base, caught her and severely sexually abused her to the extent that her anus bled for a couple of days.

It also stated in the book that he had eyes for the young Clintons daughter and asked Bill if he could "open her up" I am sure you know what that means.

Thats what I read, as for proof well I would imagine that it is really difficult, but one thing is for sure, the things people have truly done to hurt other people or animals will always stay with them, and I feel that if not in this life then in another there will come a time when they will either experience something themselves or they will have the chance to help others.

[tinmenace]

Yeah, why would someone embarrass their child by writing such things about them in a book? If it weren't to expose the truth? :confused: And ultimately free her and others like her....

It's so easy to understand if you just apply yourself.

[adimon]

Yeah, why would someone embarrass their child by writing such things about them in a book? If it weren't to expose the truth? :confused:

To

make

money

[tinmenace]

Money is EVERYTHING only to some.

[raffles]

Yeah, why would someone embarrass their child by writing such things about them in a book? If it weren't to expose the truth? :confused: And ultimately free her and others like her....

It's so easy to understand if you just apply yourself.

Great point Tin !!
I'd never thought about that from that angle before, its unlikely someone would put their child thru all that unless it was to expose these monsters.

[kasalt]

What evidence do you have?

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

Chapter -XXI- Omaha:
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[hirschfelder]

Cathy O'Brien is IMO a liar. She makes outrageous claims which she cannot corroborate.

I'm loathed to enter this thread again. But if that's your definition of a liar, you are allowing others to dictate your reality

It is true that she makes outrageous claims

It is true that she cannot corroborate those claims

Does it necessarilly follow that she's a liar?

A court of law wouldn't have much to go on, true. But the individual isn't bound to or burdened with the procedural and, somewhat arbitrary, due processes of law

[adimon]

It's not my definition of a liar. I was making three separate statements.

Has anyone wondered about the timeline of events surrounding the statements made about Bush the family?

I would advise people to compare the relative timings of:

Cathy O'Briens claims
Accounts of Bush's life and activities (preferably from several different sources)
Key events and political actions
Newspaper reports

Then ask themselves throughout - is it logical to conclude that Bush is a paedophile?

[damagedbrainn]

And do you have any proof you arn't a pedo ?

Guilty until proven innocent?

[lizzy]

this and the Nebraska Boys Town expose was covered up by them.

WH/Justice Dept
Coverup Pedophilia Cases
By Wayne Madsen
3-27-7


Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' 'loyal Bushie' U.S. Attorney for Western Texas covered up a major pedophile scandal with the connivance of the Justice Department's Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, already under pressure for firing several U.S. Attorneys not considered "loyal Bushies," now faces another scandal. Albert Moskowitz, the Chief of the Criminal Section of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, sent a letter dated September 27, 2005, to the Superintendent of the Texas Youth Commission's West Texas State School youth detention facility declining the prosecution of two of the Texas agency's employees -- Ray Brookins and John Hernandez -- for engaging in sexual molestation of 10 underage males incarcerated at the facility. The charges of molestation were originally brought by Texas Ranger Brian J. Burzynski. Earlier, in a July 28, 2005 letter, the Assistant US Attorney for West Texas, Bill Baumann, who works for US Attorney Johnny Sutton, a close friend of Gonzales, sent a letter to Burzynski declining federal prosecution in the pedophile case. In a decision that indicates that the Gonzales Justice Department defines child molestation in very narrow and high threshold terms, Baumann wrote that the young men at the West Texas facility that claimed they were raped by Brookins and Hernandez did not sustain "bodily injury" or "bodily pain." Baumann also defined aggravated sexual assault as resulting from a "perpetrator knowingly causing his victim to engage in a sexual act (which can include contact between the mouth and penis) by force against the victim or by threatening or placing the victim in fear that the victim (or any other person) will be subjected to death, serious bodily injury or kidnapping). Baumann stated, "I do not believe that sufficient evidence exists to support a charge that either Brookins or Hernandez used force to cause victims to engage in a sexual act."

Astonishingly, Baumann also writes that "none of the victims admit they consented to the sexual contact" with the juvenile facility employees. However, Baumann then suggests that the underage males came on to the prison guards and were "simply 'getting off' on the school administrator. Baumann also indicates that "many students" were "retained at the West Texas State School long after their initial release date" but that "it would be difficult to prove that either Mr. Brookins or Mr. Hernandez prevented their release." The clear indication is that Brookins and Hernandez kept the boys incarcerated in order to continue to sodomize them. Baumann, who appears to be borrowing heavily from the tracts of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), suggests that sex between the underage males and detention facility personnel is perfectly legitimate as long as the sex is consensual. There are also reports that detained youth in the Texas Youth system are transported from various facilities for purposes of prostitution.

After the allegations about abuse at the West Texas detention facility became public, Hernandez was forced to resign as principal at a Midland, Texas charter school. A Ward County grand jury is investigating the case.

There are now reports that pedophilia extends to other youth detention facilities in Texas. The Texas Sheltered Care Facility in Nixon, in south Texas, is being investigated for the abuse, including sexual molestation of detained Latin American immigrant youth housed at the center. The facility is operated by Away from Home, Inc. Some 72 children were relocated from the facility after the abuse charges were raised. The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services investigated the Nixon facility and referred the case to US Attorney Johnny Sutton and the FBI. However, once again, Sutton decided "the alleged activity, which as the focus of the investigation, could likely be more effectively addressed by the state of Texas prosecutorial authorities." FBI agent Erik Vasys told the Houston Chronicle that the FBI was "disappointed" in the failure of the Justice Department to bring charges. Presidential adviser Karl Rove has been implicated by child welfare advocates in Texas in the failure of the Justice Department to prosecute the Texas child abuse and pedophilia cases. Indictments in the case prepared by the US Attorney for West Texas were reportedly spiked on the orders of the White House and Justice Department.

Baumann states that Burzynski "thoroughly investigated the allegations brought to your attention by the Texas Youth Commission" and promptly interviewed all witnesses and victims, gathered appropriate documentation from school officials and executed a federal search warrant at the residence of Mr. Hernandez at West Texas State School in Pyote." Baumann concludes, " It is my opinion, however, that our office's resources would be better employed investigating and prosecuting cases involving more clearly defined violations of federal criminal law."

The decision of the Gonzales Justice Department to decline prosecution of pedophiles within the Texas Youth Commission juvenile detention system mirrors its failure to take prompt action last year in the case of former Representative Mark Foley (R-FL), whose e-mails with underage male congressional pages were turned over to the Justice Department for investigation. On October 3, 2006, WMR reported the following:

"WMR has learned from informed sources in the Justice Department that the salacious e-mails from Rep. Mark Foley were leaked to ABC News by career Justice Department prosecutors and FBI agents who are incensed that Attorneys General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales covered up the House page scandal for political reasons. The back story of Pagegate is that there was a criminal conspiracy by the top political leadership of the Justice Department to cover up the predatory activities of Foley and other GOP members of Congress since at least 2003 and, likely, as early as 2001."



Rove and Gonzales look out for the interests of NAMBLA in the latest scandal to rock the Bush administration. Bush family continues its long family tradition of promoting and protecting pedophiles.

The GOP Congress and the Justice Department, under orders from the White House, successfully covered up the Pagegate scandal. Similar acts of pedophilia involving sodomy and other sexually explicit conduct with underage males were carried out at the U.S. detention center in Abu Ghraib, Iraq. The Donald Rumsfeld Pentagon, with the support of the White House, covered up those incidents. Pedophilia and the Bush family spans two generations. George H. W. Bush covered up a major prostitution scandal involving underage males in the late 1980s. The scandal involved the use of child prostitutes and congressional pages, some of whom were given midnight tours of the Bush White House by the late GOP lobbyist Craig Spence. According to The Franklin Coverup: Child Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska,

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by former Nebraska Republican State Senator John DeCamp, the 1980s scandal also involved Nebraska's Boys Town orphanage, child prostitutes from around the country, NAMBLA, top GOP officials in Nebraska, including Franklin Savings and Loan chief Lawrence ("Larry') King. The Franklin Scandal, as it is known, also implicated George H. W. Bush in at least one sexual encounter with a 19-year old African American male named Brent.

Pedophilia and the Bush family also extend to Florida. While Jeb Bush was governor, the Florida Department of Children and Families "lost" a number of computer files and falsified other files implicating state employees and foster parents in serious cases of child abuse. There were also cases of children in state care, including a five-year old Miami girl being "lost." Democratic state legislators in Florida laid direct blame for the incidents at the feet of Jeb Bush.

Note: There is no middle ground with pedophilia. Either government officials prosecute pedophile offenders or they do not. If they do not, it is clear that they are either pedophiles themselves or aid and abet in pedophile activities. In either case, it is a crime. Congress and the FBI should take a close look at Alberto Gonzales, Albert Moskowitz, Johnny Sutton, Bill Baumann, and Karl Rove.

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[lizzy]

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/boys_town_abuse.htm

We find the subject so repugant but it happens at the top.....they are the psycopaths.

'The conspirarcy of silence' doc . has been removed from google . I saw it 2 + yrs ago.
I believe it was the one made by the BBC several years ago. It was refused / pulled and day before it was due to air on PBS Stateside.
If anyone remembers it?

[lizzy]

http://www.rense.com/general74/mother.htm


BTW. just putting this out there. not in any debate. just too yucky.

[kasalt]

Has anyone wondered about the timeline of events surrounding the statements made about Bush the family?

I would advise people to compare the relative timings of:

Cathy O'Briens claims
Accounts of Bush's life and activities (preferably from several different sources)
Key events and political actions
Newspaper reports

Then ask themselves throughout - is it logical to conclude that Bush is a paedophile?

What are you implying here? What do "relative timings" have to do with it?

[philidor]

Yes, people, actual witnesses, have accused him of being a pedophile.

You have to wonder why he hasn't sued for slander? Doesn't want a full-blown investigation maybe?


;)

I don't get it, if George Bush was actually a pedo then why didn't his opponents use that information against him in the race (I've also heard his son the current president is one, however wouldn't Mccain in the 2000 election use that against him during the republican race?) There is already enough to work with to know that Bush Jr and Sr are pretty bad people without calling them pedophiles! Like the fuck up at Katrina or in Iraq, not to mention the reccession because of "faith" based economics (Shouldn't we learn by now not to trust anyone who listens to god? Bush has been listening to God all along and it has ruined the nation and plummeted us into a deficit. When I say God I mean it as a code word for the right brain subconcious that makes decisions based off of nothing (IE: "Faith") instead of actual objective reality.)

[tinmenace]

I don't get it, if George Bush was actually a pedo then why didn't his opponents use that information against him in the race (I've also heard his son the current president is one, however wouldn't Mccain in the 2000 election use that against him during the republican race?) There is already enough to work with to know that Bush Jr and Sr are pretty bad people without calling them pedophiles! Like the fuck up at Katrina or in Iraq, not to mention the reccession because of "faith" based economics (Shouldn't we learn by now not to trust anyone who listens to god? Bush has been listening to God all along and it has ruined the nation and plummeted us into a deficit. When I say God I mean it as a code word for the right brain subconcious that makes decisions based off of nothing (IE: "Faith") instead of actual objective reality.)

They're all part of it. They are all compromised in some way, and they all have something to hide, so they become prisoners in this world of deceit where it's better to just be quiet. It's their code of silence.