interview with a Witch

[paganus]

ok.you want answers? you have worrys? post and i will try to answer.im not easily offended so ask what you want.maybe this will end all the bullying and prejudice.hmm?

[eternal_spirit]

What was the source of your texts, books etc? Hope this doesn't turn into a witch hunt. :)

How about an introduction, random or otherwise anything you feel like saying about your experiences or the Coven itself.

[serpentoffire]

Did you have an initialization through a sexual ritual with another wizard to allow spirits enter inside you?

Don't you think to be out God's law doing divination and voodoo rituals?

[paganus]

What was the source of your texts, books etc? Hope this doesn't turn into a witch hunt. :)

How about an introduction, random or otherwise anything you feel like saying about your experiences or the Coven itself.generally,i use gardners 'book of shadows'.for myself,Wicca turned a selfish person into a caring person.im not perfect but better. i belive in the three-fold law-what you do comes back to you,three fold.good or bad..

[times7]

Is a witch more or less always "Antichrist" ?

I am just asking nothing more

[paganus]

Did you have an initialization through a sexual ritual with another wizard to allow spirits enter inside you?

Don't you think to be out God's law doing divination and voodoo rituals?in a word,no.gods law is dependent on which 'god' you belive in.my Gods are not in opposition to divination.voodoo is not Wicca,so i cant speak for them.

[paganus]

Is a witch more or less always "Antichrist" ?

I am just asking nothing morenot in my experience.Witches are anti church,not anti-christ.

[on the road]

Did you or do you have special powers ?

And if so did you harm anyone?

[eternal_spirit]

generally,i use gardners 'book of shadows'.for myself,Wicca turned a selfish person into a caring person.im not perfect but better. i belive in the three-fold law-what you do comes back to you,three fold.good or bad..

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Yes, that would of been my guess by your name, Paganus, why Paganus is it something to do with Paganism? Which one meaning is Pagan means Country folk, and their beliefs, spirituality, correct me if I'm wrong.

Did Gardiner claim to take the knowledge from the book of shadows from many different sources, people's societies.....and which ones?

[paganus]

Did you or do you have special powers ?

And if so did you harm anyone?not really special because anyone can develop them.i do have heightend intuition,and can sense intentions in people to a greater degree.initial you ARE (well,me personally) tempted to use Wicca to 'get even' but you soon learn you only harm yourself!

[paganus]

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Yes, that would of been my guess by your name, Paganus, why Paganus is it something to do with Paganism? Which one meaning is Pagan means Country folk, and their beliefs, spirituality, correct me if I'm wrong.

Did Gardiner claim to take the knowledge from the book of shadows from many different sources, people's societies.....and which ones?Paganus is latin for Pagan.it means 'country dweller' this is because Paganism hung-on longer in rural areas because they were more remote and so further from state control.Gardiner claimed most of the BoS was passed down through the generations of his family.although some was lost.what was lost was replaced with some elements of the Kabbalah.its debated wherever his claim is true or not,because others claim to have taught him what he knew.Crowley for one.(although given his penchant for self-publicity its far from reliable evidence!)

[blue]

ok.you want answers? you have worrys? post and i will try to answer.im not easily offended so ask what you want.maybe this will end all the bullying and prejudice.hmm?

can witches fly? can you fly? and how different is the image of a witch or wicca from what is being projected in to the society (past and present) through stories, movies and church.

[paganus]

can witches fly? can you fly? and how different is the image of a witch or wicca from what is being projected in to the society (past and present) through stories, movies and church.the idea of witches flying actually comes from the practice of astral projection coupled with an oinment which induces it.the oinment was sometimes applyed to a broom by females and ,being a phallic symbol used to introduce the oinment into the vagina.hence 'riding the broomstick'.Wicca differs from the ideas projected in a number of ways.firstly,Wiccans dont belive in satan,much less worship him.Wicca also has strict rules against using witchcraft to manipulate or harm others.

[yvonne]

Have you ever done spells?...Did they work?

Where do you start if you want to learn Wicca? ...And why did you become one?

[paganus]

Have you ever done spells?...Did they work?

Where do you start if you want to learn Wicca? ...And why did you become one?yes i have and do.yes,they do work.i would suggest checking out 'a witches bible' by janet and stuart farrar.google Wicca too! a search for the truth and meaning led me to Wicca.

[kblood]

The movie "The Craft" actually is quite accurate, except for the hollywood effects. From what I have read paganism is one of the oldest beliefs, and is not a religion on its own. Not believing in christianity is just about enough to be considered pagan from what I have read, or at least believing that it is wrong to heal and such. Yes, I have met some hardcore christians who actually was certain that it was the devils doing to heal someone, and also clairvoyance and other stuff. I cannot say that it is always a good thing, but putting it all under evil is a big much imo.


Now for some questions of my own:

Are you in a coven?
I had a girlfriend once who was wiccan, and she went to sabbaths or whatever they are called. They had the choice when joining to be a white or black witch, and she choose black :o She liked freedom it seems or something like that. Before we stopped seeing each other, I had convinced her to stop going there, maybe partly because I was not allowed to know about the coven in the first place. I tried to tell her she did not need those rituals to make the spells work. Dont know if she believed that.

Any other rules than the times 3 rule you live by?

Do you have a grimoire or whatever you call your spellbook?
Is it handwritten?

Do you use scrying mirrors?

Do you make those circles of protection before incanting a spell?

Do you call it magic, magick, magik, witchcraft or spells with what you do? or something else?

[paganus]

The movie "The Craft" actually is quite accurate, except for the hollywood effects. From what I have read paganism is one of the oldest beliefs, and is not a religion on its own. Not believing in christianity is just about enough to be considered pagan from what I have read, or at least believing that it is wrong to heal and such. Yes, I have met some hardcore christians who actually was certain that it was the devils doing to heal someone, and also clairvoyance and other stuff. I cannot say that it is always a good thing, but putting it all under evil is a big much imo.


Now for some questions of my own:

Are you in a coven?
I had a girlfriend once who was wiccan, and she went to sabbaths or whatever they are called. They had the choice when joining to be a white or black witch, and she choose black :o She liked freedom it seems or something like that. Before we stopped seeing each other, I had convinced her to stop going there, maybe partly because I was not allowed to know about the coven in the first place. I tried to tell her she did not need those rituals to make the spells work. Dont know if she believed that.

Any other rules than the times 3 rule you live by?

Do you have a grimoire or whatever you call your spellbook?
Is it handwritten?

Do you use scrying mirrors?

Do you make those circles of protection before incanting a spell?

Do you call it magic, magick, magik, witchcraft or spells with what you do? or something else?i used to be in a Coven,but it split.due to various reasons.the other rule i live by is the Wiccan Rede 'eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill.an it harm none,do what thou will'. yes a Book of Shadows is traditionaly handwritten.the reason goes back to the persecution.if its in your own hand writing,no-one else is implicated.i have used scrying,though with a bowl of water rather than a mirror.yes,i use a circle.although in Wicca its to contain energies rather than keep anything out.it can be visualized as a protection though.on the street for example.

[drael]

The original flying oitments were made from things like henbane, datura, hemp flowers, opium etc. They were rubbed into the skin before an astral projection that involves attending a witches sabbat. The broom, like the feather is a ritual tool for use in cleansing. The witches hat comes from both the projection of magickal cones (the actual product of a ritual circle), and the occasional use of conical hats to utilize that energy. There is a fair grain of truth in most modern media about witches, even the charmed ones, though it is extremely fantisized. The highest ritual in wicca, is calling down the moon, a coven ritual that summons the goddess into the high preistess, where she often speaks and delivers messages.

[ozmonsoon]

Please give examples of the sorts of things you sought to achieve through individual spells...and evidence of them working....

Cheers

:)

[paganus]

Please give examples of the sorts of things you sought to achieve through individual spells...and evidence of them working....

Cheers

:)well,any evidence would only be my word for it because its not something i can hand over a recording or something of! i have done spells for any number of things.once for example,i had no money for food.didnt get paid till end of the week.i did a spell for help in this.i went to the shop later with only 50p to see if there was anything i could buy.woman behind the counter said,with no promting from me,that if i wanted i could get some stuff and pay when i got paid.i never told her i was skint.and behind the counter was a sign that said 'please dont ask for credit.we dont give it and refusal often offends'.coincidence? i dont belive in coincidence.

[ozmonsoon]

Thank you for that Paganus....I appreciate there wouldn't be documentary evidence....your first hand account was sufficient :)

Did the spell involve the shopkeeper or were proceedings concentrated on your lack of cashflow?

Hopefully you progressed to turning up at banks with a zero balance :cool:

Please share others...its v.interesting

[paganus]

Thank you for that Paganus....I appreciate there wouldn't be documentary evidence....your first hand account was sufficient :)

Did the spell involve the shopkeeper or were proceedings concentrated on your lack of cashflow?

Hopefully you progressed to turning up at banks with a zero balance :cool:

Please share others...its v.interestingi did the spell to get essentials.i didnt name anyone because that would be manipulation. lol! yeah, i really should try banks,shouldnt i? :D

[kblood]

i used to be in a Coven,but it split.due to various reasons.the other rule i live by is the Wiccan Rede 'eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill.an it harm none,do what thou will'. yes a Book of Shadows is traditionaly handwritten.the reason goes back to the persecution.if its in your own hand writing,no-one else is implicated.i have used scrying,though with a bowl of water rather than a mirror.yes,i use a circle.although in Wicca its to contain energies rather than keep anything out.it can be visualized as a protection though.on the street for example.

Ahh, have been a long time since I have read up on Wicca lore :) The books I have read about it only scratches the surface of several kinds of spellusers, spiritual stuff and such. Then I have looked into several online sources as well, different kinds of spells and such, but mostly out of curiousity. The few things I have done has mostly been the sorcerer way, and therefore in the moment.

[kblood]

How about candles, charms and stuff like that? Very romantic with those :)

An ex-girlfriend of mine once did a sex-spell to arouse me, but was kinda hard to tell the difference with me always being aroused around her anyway... :o

Any favorite/most used spells?

Thanks for sharing your experiences about this btw :cool:

[paganus]

How about candles, charms and stuff like that? Very romantic with those :)

An ex-girlfriend of mine once did a sex-spell to arouse me, but was kinda hard to tell the difference with me always being aroused around her anyway... :o

Any favorite/most used spells?

Thanks for sharing your experiences about this btw :cool:your welcome! i generally use candle or knot magics.i suppose my most used magic is visualization of the circle or pentagram in times of personnal danger.acts like a kind of force field stopping any one with hostile intent.seen gangs of yobs outside shops,theyve abused everyone going past.ive visualized the circle around me and its like they dont even see me! i walk past no problem.

[ozmonsoon]

Paganus............et all

Please could you give more examples of spells, intentions and their outcomes......

[walkndude]

an english pagan ehh?
little OTO for you?

do what tho wilt shall be the whole
of the law

love is the law
love under will

WalKnDude
**

[paganus]

an english pagan ehh?
little OTO for you?

do what tho wilt shall be the whole
of the law

love is the law
love under will

WalKnDude
**there are numerous threads on Crowley.

[kblood]

there are numerous threads on Crowley.

What is your view on him? I have heard many rumours in vids and such, and read a bit about the thread. Is he the one who believed having sex with children prolongs your life? Anyway, was he enlightening in his teachings? How is his spells and teachings different from how you do Wicca stuff? (I think Crowley wasnt Wicca, so that might be the major difference).

If you havent researched Crowley, then sorry I asked.

I earlier asked about charms, so do you use any charms, talismans, stuff that is blessed in some way? How about a wand or other stuff to help work spells? I think I once read about how to properly make a wand or staff, but I would have to look up on it first. I think it was mostly about how to properly prepare items used for spells, or how to create charms.

[blue]

Hi Paganus,

This is regarding the black magic which is done on people. i often hear in my country that some one or the other has been a victim of black magic. that people become very sick, mentally sick and other abnormal behaviour is seen in them. is it true that black magic can affect any person. what is your take on black magic.

[paganus]

What is your view on him? I have heard many rumours in vids and such, and read a bit about the thread. Is he the one who believed having sex with children prolongs your life? Anyway, was he enlightening in his teachings? How is his spells and teachings different from how you do Wicca stuff? (I think Crowley wasnt Wicca, so that might be the major difference).

If you havent researched Crowley, then sorry I asked.

I earlier asked about charms, so do you use any charms, talismans, stuff that is blessed in some way? How about a wand or other stuff to help work spells? I think I once read about how to properly make a wand or staff, but I would have to look up on it first. I think it was mostly about how to properly prepare items used for spells, or how to create charms.
crowley was a Thelemite.he's important to Wicca because he very probably had a hand in rewriting the book of shadows.

[paganus]

Hi Paganus,

This is regarding the black magic which is done on people. i often hear in my country that some one or the other has been a victim of black magic. that people become very sick, mentally sick and other abnormal behaviour is seen in them. is it true that black magic can affect any person. what is your take on black magic.in my opinion,its never a good idea.everything you do comes back to you.thats not to say you cant use magick in self-defence though.

[kblood]

crowley was a Thelemite.he's important to Wicca because he very probably had a hand in rewriting the book of shadows.

"The" book of shadows? I thought it was different for each witch.

Have you ever looked into what the Necronomicon is about, or one of them, as there seems to have been made more than one book with that name. If you have looked into it, you know it is about spirits, and maybe demons, from what I have understood. It seems an easier and faster way to become powerfull, psychic and working spells. These beings do it all for a high price though, and they probably prefer magic used for personal gain and against others without their approval. Therefore making the person "controlling" them their slave instead, from what I have understood. Maybe doing what you do know about someone having tried summoning spirits and such though?

As I see it, magick doesnt exist, because it isnt supernatural as it is said. It is simply the effect of our conciousness, that most people do not understand. Wicca f.ex. somewhat systamises it to make it easier to control these effects of our focus and thoughts. To make it done more conciously, instead of subconciously as everyone is doing, just most not realising it. I call my way sorcery, or at least that is the best description I have found. Whenever I try doing a "spell" I make it up as I go along, by figuring out and visualising how it would work best, seem possible to me and others if needed, and then manifest it.

[kblood]

in my opinion,its never a good idea.everything you do comes back to you.thats not to say you cant use magick in self-defence though.
I think he meant if it was possible to do against anyone, and if it is possible to protect yourself against it maybe, if and when you are a target of curses and other forms of harmfull spells.

[pleasuredome]

hi paganus. can you tell why cats are associated with witches? is it because cats are drawn to a particular type of energy or is there nothing in it?

[blue]

I think he meant if it was possible to do against anyone, and if it is possible to protect yourself against it maybe, if and when you are a target of curses and other forms of harmfull spells.

thanks :D

[paganus]

"The" book of shadows? I thought it was different for each witch.

Have you ever looked into what the Necronomicon is about, or one of them, as there seems to have been made more than one book with that name. If you have looked into it, you know it is about spirits, and maybe demons, from what I have understood. It seems an easier and faster way to become powerfull, psychic and working spells. These beings do it all for a high price though, and they probably prefer magic used for personal gain and against others without their approval. Therefore making the person "controlling" them their slave instead, from what I have understood. Maybe doing what you do know about someone having tried summoning spirits and such though?

As I see it, magick doesnt exist, because it isnt supernatural as it is said. It is simply the effect of our conciousness, that most people do not understand. Wicca f.ex. somewhat systamises it to make it easier to control these effects of our focus and thoughts. To make it done more conciously, instead of subconciously as everyone is doing, just most not realising it. I call my way sorcery, or at least that is the best description I have found. Whenever I try doing a "spell" I make it up as I go along, by figuring out and visualising how it would work best, seem possible to me and others if needed, and then manifest it.i was refering to Gardners Book of Shadows.it re-started Wicca in the 50s.

[paganus]

hi paganus. can you tell why cats are associated with witches? is it because cats are drawn to a particular type of energy or is there nothing in it?cats are commonly used as a 'familiar' because they have a heightned sense of paranormal phenomena.they are v.good at sensing spirits basically.there are reports of cats being able to communicatetelepathically with their 'owner' in pictures obviously!

[aznality]

This thread is interesting. Hrmmm...I have a few questions myself.

How old were you when you began practicing witchcraft? And how many years have you been doing so now?
How did you get into David Icke?
Do you deal with ghosts/spirits?
Have you ever astral projected?
Do you have any other abilities other than heightened intuition?
Have you involved sex in any of your practices? Sorry if the last one came out a little offensive, which I hope wasnt the case. =)

[serpentoffire]

cats are commonly used as a 'familiar' because they have a heightned sense of paranormal phenomena.they are v.good at sensing spirits basically.there are reports of cats being able to communicatetelepathically with their 'owner' in pictures obviously!

More simply spirits posses humans and animals. Animals are better controllable like biological robots.

[kblood]

More simply spirits posses humans and animals. Animals are better controllable like biological robots.

You dont believe cats are just naturally endowed with sensing something more conciously than we are?

[serpentoffire]

You dont believe cats are just naturally endowed with sensing something more conciously than we are?

I don't believe that cats have same powers of mediums.
Humans are enabled to interact with paranormal through chakras/kundalini energies.
And this an ability that come from our creator.

[paganus]

This thread is interesting. Hrmmm...I have a few questions myself.

How old were you when you began practicing witchcraft? And how many years have you been doing so now?
How did you get into David Icke?
Do you deal with ghosts/spirits?
Have you ever astral projected?
Do you have any other abilities other than heightened intuition?
Have you involved sex in any of your practices? Sorry if the last one came out a little offensive, which I hope wasnt the case. =)i was 25.so 11years now.i got into David when Paganism led me to research militia movements.id heard of him before,but started reading him after his name came up in my research.i deal with God/Godess and elemental spirits in the main.yes,i have astrally projected.as for other abilities,i sometimes have prophetic dreams.i can also use tarot,Runes and pendlumn.i personally havent used sex magick,but some do.dont worry,its not offensive!

[kblood]

I don't believe that cats have same powers of mediums.
Humans are enabled to interact with paranormal through chakras/kundalini energies.
And this an ability that come from our creator.

Please... it is even easier to prove the paranormal with animals. A dog waiting for its owner getting home, before he gets home, research has been done on this and the dog actually seems to know when the owner intents to go home.

Why would animals not have some kind of chakras? Our planet does, our galaxy most likely does, but no, we are the only form of being with chakras? You seem quite blinded by your faith in my oppinion, too so much that seems obvious if it wasnt for the teaching in books created to control us. Energy binds us all together, our bodies are energy, our frequency linked with that of the planet.

[mariag]

Please... it is even easier to prove the paranormal with animals. A dog waiting for its owner getting home, before he gets home, research has been done on this and the dog actually seems to know when the owner intents to go home.

Why would animals not have some kind of chakras? Our planet does, our galaxy most likely does, but no, we are the only form of being with chakras? You seem quite blinded by your faith in my oppinion, too so much that seems obvious if it wasnt for the teaching in books created to control us. Energy binds us all together, our bodies are energy, our frequency linked with that of the planet.

Of course animals have paranormal gifts just as humans. Both the cat and the dog that lives with us are extremely connected to the spiritworld. :p
I beleive that animals also have the same spiritual connections like we do maybe more?
Because they live on there instinct and can communicate in more ways then one

[kblood]

Of course animals have paranormal gifts just as humans. Both the cat and the dog that lives with us are extremely connected to the spiritworld. :p
I beleive that animals also have the same spiritual connections like we do maybe more?
Because they live on there instinct and can communicate in more ways then one

Exactly :) They havent been brought up in the kind of education system we have. As children when our natural senses is probably at their highest, we are brought up to ignore them, and stay within our 5 senses. Some families probably do bring up their kids in more open ways, not letting them ignore the rest of their senses. Probably some on this forum even :)

I bet you do pay attention to your childs "beyond the 5 senses" senses Mariag ;) I believe it is a shame how it today is common to tell your kids that their experiences are just dreams, fantasy, something they made up or lies. Just because what they experienced is something their parents did not understand. I remember having lucid dreams as a kid and asking my mother about them, dont remember the answer though :( I think I will ask her again about lucid dreams next time I visit my parents. Would be nice knowing her view on them. She is quite open minded, believing in healing, fortune telling and so on.

[mariag]

Exactly :) They havent been brought up in the kind of education system we have. As children when our natural senses is probably at their highest, we are brought up to ignore them, and stay within our 5 senses. Some families probably do bring up their kids in more open ways, not letting them ignore the rest of their senses. Probably some on this forum even :)

I bet you do pay attention to your childs "beyond the 5 senses" senses Mariag ;) I believe it is a shame how it today is common to tell your kids that their experiences are just dreams, fantasy, something they made up or lies. Just because what they experienced is something their parents did not understand. I remember having lucid dreams as a kid and asking my mother about them, dont remember the answer though :( I think I will ask her again about lucid dreams next time I visit my parents. Would be nice knowing her view on them. She is quite open minded, believing in healing, fortune telling and so on.

Yes I do pay attention to my childrens "beyond 5th sences ":p Why should we ignore the fact that they are closer to the "other" worlds?:p
Some parents are ignoring this fact and i think it is a shame , but maybe they don´t see it as we do since they are not awaken ?

[kblood]

Yes I do pay attention to my childrens "beyond 5th sences ":p Why should we ignore the fact that they are closer to the "other" worlds?:p
Some parents are ignoring this fact and i think it is a shame , but maybe they don´t see it as we do since they are not awaken ?

Yea, when a parent dont understand it, why would they tell them that it was anything but a dream, or imaginary?

[mariag]

Yea, when a parent dont understand it, why would they tell them that it was anything but a dream, or imaginary?
I guess thats how they see it , but how i wish they would think beyond this dimensions and accept the fact that we are not alone , and that our children are connected as well as our family pets :p

[alice1111]

I agree, we are all connected. ALL!!!

[kblood]

A question was asked about sex magic, and I have a bit of experience with that. A young woman I once knew heard about it being possible to affect a person when focusing on a person while having sex. One night me and some of her and mine common friends was out drinking and such, and she had gone home to sleep. Suddenly me and one of my friends got very dozy, although we had not had much to drink yet. We fell half asleep, and both got very turned on for some reason. It was getting a bit embarrasing, after some minutes we figured out something must be going on, we both felt it was her doing it. When then returning the focus on her, I had the most effective telepathic link to a person I have had so far I think. A link where thoughts and feelings were shared. A shared experience. Very embarrasing though :o

I also once had a girlfriend I had lived with a few months and we had broken up. We still saw each other now and then, and one day I told her I would try what I had done with this other young woman. She was a bit surprised when she actually felt it I think. The day after though, I went to school, and she did the same to me, so I learned my lesson. I had to go to the mens room and wait it off.

This kind of link is not made everytime though, it seems much more likely to be telepathic if you have been in contact with the person the day before maybe two days at most, or have used something to make the mental connection like a phone or something.

[serpentoffire]

Of course animals have paranormal gifts just as humans. Both the cat and the dog that lives with us are extremely connected to the spiritworld. :p
I beleive that animals also have the same spiritual connections like we do maybe more?
Because they live on there instinct and can communicate in more ways then one

So you are comparing animals with humans?!!!
Bizarre, but nice point of view.

[paganus]

So you are comparing animals with humans?!!!
Bizarre, but nice point of view.humans ARE animals...

[mariag]

So you are comparing animals with humans?!!!
Bizarre, but nice point of view.
can´t see why it is bizarre , since we all are a form of animal anyway :D:D

[serpentoffire]

can´t see why it is bizarre , since we all are a form of animal anyway :D:D

Humans are more than animals
This is the limitation of who don't believe in God.

[paganus]

Humans are more than animals
This is the limitation of who don't believe in God.or the prejduice of those that belive in yours.

[mariag]

That was the most ridiculous thing I ever heard I´m sorry serpentoffire but what makes a human so much better then animal? Humans are the ones that are stupid enough to kill its own race and actually enjoy it.

[paganus]

'an individual human life has no more intrinsic importance than say,an individual grizzly bears life'-Nickolas shreck

[mariag]

Thats how I see it also paganus! All are equal in the infinite:D:D

[paganus]

Thats how I see it also paganus! All are equal in the infinite:D:Dsoul's a soul.regardless of its container!

[mariag]

soul's a soul.regardless of its container!
Absolutely

[serpentoffire]

That was the most ridiculous thing I ever heard I´m sorry serpentoffire but what makes a human so much better then animal? Humans are the ones that are stupid enough to kill its own race and actually enjoy it.

The difference is the soul and ridiculous is to compare humans with animals.
We are free to make good or bad. Animal don't have the ability to discern this difference. They have only the instinct. So do you think that we are only instinctual? Sorry but I never saw an animal compose a poesy or a melody or define a new theory about astrophysics and talk with an upper entity. Ops, but I never heard an animal talk!!! You are comparing biological robots with persons that have body, spirit and soul.

[mariag]

The difference is the soul and ridiculous is to compare humans with animals.
We are free to make good or bad. Animal don't have the ability to discern this difference. They have only the instinct. So do you think that we are only instinctual? Sorry but I never saw an animal compose a poesy or a melody or define a new theory about astrophysics and talk with an upper entity. Ops, but I never heard an animal talk!!! You are comparing biological robots with persons that have body, spirit and soul.
Sorry serpent but I don´t agree with you . Animals are not biological robots , they are souls in a container just as us...:p

[serpentoffire]

soul's a soul.regardless of its container!

The only spirits that use animals bodies are the nephilim's spirits.
God's souls don't use animal containers.

[paganus]

The difference is the soul and ridiculous is to compare humans with animals.
We are free to make good or bad. Animal don't have the ability to discern this difference. They have only the instinct. So do you think that we are only instinctual? Sorry but I never saw an animal compose a poesy or a melody or define a new theory about astrophysics and talk with an upper entity. Ops, but I never heard an animal talk!!! You are comparing biological robots with persons that have body, spirit and soul.you never heard an animal talk?!? my girlfriends cat just communicated to me that he wanted to go outside.he used a vocal sound to do so.therefore by definition,he was talking.

[mariag]

The only spirits that use animals bodies are the nephilim's spirits.
God's souls don't use animal containers.

It´s a good thing that we have different opinions. that differ us from robots dear...:p

[mariag]

you never heard an animal talk?!? my girlfriends cat just communicated to me that he wanted to go outside.he used a vocal sound to do so.therefore by definition,he was talking.
Lol my dog once made a sound that could be comparerd to mama.. And yes they can communicate :p

[serpentoffire]

Sorry serpent but I don´t agree with you . Animals are not biological robots , they are souls in a container just as us...:p

What? Animals don't have souls!!

[serpentoffire]

you never heard an animal talk?!? my girlfriends cat just communicated to me that he wanted to go outside.he used a vocal sound to do so.therefore by definition,he was talking.

This is true. I know very well. But the explanation is that the animal is possessed by a spirit.

[mariag]

What? Animals don't have souls!!
yes they do

[paganus]

This is true. I know very well. But the explanation is that the animal is possessed by a spirit.a cat which meows is posessed? :D

[serpentoffire]

a cat which meows is posessed? :D

In the new testament, Jesus exorcised a persons and the spirits inside him asked to posses some porks. The bible say also that fallen angels created interbreeding species using animals, generating monsters like Leviathan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Destruction_of_Leviathan.png

[paganus]

the bible is anti-woman,anti-animal and anti-pleasure.it reads like it was written by a bunch of psychopaths!

[mariag]

In the new testament, Jesus exorcised a persons and the spirits inside him asked to posses some porks. The bible say also that fallen angels created interbreeding species using animals, generating monsters like Leviathan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Destruction_of_Leviathan.png

Genesis I qoute :1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal [b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.



From wiki


]

The nephilim come from a union between “sons of God” (בני האלהים “b’nei ha-'elohim” Lit. "Sons of the powers" [7]) and “daughters of man”. In Aramaic culture, the term Nephila specifically referred to the constellation of Orion, and thus Nephilim to Orion's semi-divine descendants (cf. Anakim from Anak);[8] the implication being that this also is the origin of the Biblical Nephilim. Some commentators[citation needed] have suggested that the Nephilim were believed to have been fathered by members of a proto-Hebrew pantheon (which causes much controversy among Jewish peoples[9]) and are a brief glimpse of early Hebrew religion, most of the details of which were later edited out from the Torah (or at least would have been edited out when, as some claim, it was redacted together), and that this passage may have offered monotheistic Hebrews a way to fit semi-divine pagan heroes into their cosmogony.

[mariag]

the bible is anti-woman,anti-animal and anti-pleasure.it reads like it was written by a bunch of psychopaths!

agree 100%

[kblood]

That leviathan reminds me of the midgaards wurm, I think its called in english. A giant snake/dragon which is so big that its length is the same as equator, and therefore lies around the whole world. Part of viking mythology. Thor the god of Thunder killed it during ragnarok, or is going to do so during ragnarok, if that hasnt happened yet ;)

And about the animal thingie, I believe animals at least have spirits. Maybe they do not reincarnate like we do, but they are bound to nature and has basic instincts like telepathy. Animals sense danger and change much keener than humans does, because we are brought up to focus on physical things: time, money, work, commercials, entertainment and so on.

That animals have more of a spirit than a soul, and therefore not possessed, but are sharing a greater spirit like we do, that might explain some of the animal behavior. Take a dog, they do not seem to have any idea about time passing. The owner leaves the house and a dog can then lie down and look out a window untill the owner gets home. Wether it takes 10 minutes, 30 minutes or several hours the dog still is just as excited about the owner getting home. Which is why animals do not seem to have much of a sense of time. Animals just follow their instincts, they feel the wether changing, and they collect food, fly south, go sleeping during winther and so on. They mate in spring, they are nocturnal creatures or daylight creatures. Animals have memory, some can even sing and many birds can talk if you didnt notice, so they do not seem like robots.

I do agree that their soul or spirit probably is not the same as a humans, but organic robots that are possessed once in a while... no, I dont believe that.

[mariag]

That leviathan reminds me of the midgaards wurm, I think its called in english. A giant snake/dragon which is so big that its length is the same as equator, and therefore lies around the whole world. Part of viking mythology. Thor the god of Thunder killed it during ragnarok, or is going to do so during ragnarok, if that hasnt happened yet ;)

And about the animal thingie, I believe animals at least have spirits. Maybe they do not reincarnate like we do, but they are bound to nature and has basic instincts like telepathy. Animals sense danger and change much keener than humans does, because we are brought up to focus on physical things: time, money, work, commercials, entertainment and so on.

That animals have more of a spirit than a soul, and therefore not possessed, but are sharing a greater spirit like we do, that might explain some of the animal behavior. Take a dog, they do not seem to have any idea about time passing. The owner leaves the house and a dog can then lie down and look out a window untill the owner gets home. Wether it takes 10 minutes, 30 minutes or several hours the dog still is just as excited about the owner getting home. Which is why animals do not seem to have much of a sense of time. Animals just follow their instincts, they feel the wether changing, and they collect food, fly south, go sleeping during winther and so on. They mate in spring, they are nocturnal creatures or daylight creatures. Animals have memory, some can even sing and many birds can talk if you didnt notice, so they do not seem like robots.

I do agree that their soul or spirit probably is not the same as a humans, but organic robots that are possessed once in a while... no, I dont believe that.

Here is a little something about ASA tro , :rolleyes:
http://www.viking-z.org/vikg.htm

And here some info about ragnarök , from Wiki:D

Ragnarok will be preceded by the Fimbulvetr or "Great Winter", a period of three years of perpetual winter with no summer between. Snow will fall from all directions with great frosts and biting wind, and the sun will lend no warmth to the earth. During this time great battles will be fought throughout the world, humanity will descend further into violence and depravity, laws of kinship will be broken, and fathers, sons and brothers will rise up against one another. According to Völuspá, it will be an "axe age, a sword age, shields are cleft asunder, a storm age, a wolf age, before the world plunges headlong."

The wolves Sköll and Hati will then finally devour Sól (the Sun) and her brother Máni (the Moon) respectively after a perpetual chase, and the stars will burn out and vanish from the sky, plunging the earth into darkness.[5]

At that point Garmr, the monstrous hound that is bound at the cave of Gnipahellir, will begin to bay loudly. In response, three cockerels will begin crowing: Fjalar in Jotunheim from the forest of Gallows-wood, Gullinkambi in Valhalla who will wake the einherjar, and a third one that is not named, crowing in Hel and waking the dead.[6] The giant Hraesvelgr will sit on the edge of the heavens in eagle form and shriek with anticipation.

The earth will begin to tremble so violently that trees will be uprooted and mountains will fall, and all bonds and fetters will snap and break. Loki, god of mischief and strife, will be freed along with his ferocious son, the wolf Fenrir whose slavering mouth will gape wide open with his upper jaw against the sky and his lower one against the earth, but it would gape even wider if there was room. Flames will burn from the wolf's eyes and leap from his nostrils. Likewise, Garmr's "rope will break and the ravener run free". Meanwhile, Eggthér, a herdsman among the giants, will sit on a mound and joyfully play his harp in grim celebration of the coming holocaust.
Faroese stamp depicting the beginning of Ragnarok
Faroese stamp depicting the beginning of Ragnarok

At the same time, the oceans will surge up, drowning the land in a great flood as Jörmungandr, the Midgard Serpent, twisting and writhing in fury, makes his way onto the shore. He will proceed alongside his brother Fenrir, spewing venom and spattering the sky and earth with his poison.

Then it will happen that in the upsurge of waters, the great ship Naglfar, the ship of the giants (which is made from the nails of the dead), will be released from its moorings in Jotunheim. Set free by the catastrophic flooding and tsunamis caused by the Serpent, it will be carried along from the east, captained by the giant Hrym and transporting the legions of Jotnar toward the battlefield of Vigrid (Óskópnir).

From the north will sail Loki in a ship carrying a great army of the dead ("Hel's people" according to Gylfaginning) to fight against the einherjar.

Amid this turmoil, the sky will open and from it will ride the fire giants of Muspelheim (the "sons of Muspell"), led by Surtr who brandishes a flaming sword ("burning with the sun of the war gods" according to Völuspá). They will advance from the south with fire before and behind them, tearing the sky apart as they too close in on Vigrid. As Surtr and the others ride over Bifröst, the rainbow bridge will break behind them and fall to the earth, while the mountains themselves crack open, releasing hordes of troll-wives upon the land.

All the forces of the Jotnar will thus arrive on three fronts to storm Asgard and will gather in battle formation upon Vigrid. They will all but fill that plain that stretches one hundred leagues in every direction.

[kblood]

Yea, here we got the viking tales both as cartoons, in the cartoon Valhalla, maybe this got translated to english? I think it was danish to begin with anyway. They added a funny character to the movie named Quark :D

There is also a comic series about them as well, and I read some of the comics and some of the books about these viking gods :)

[mariag]

Yea, here we got the viking tales both as cartoons, in the cartoon Valhalla, maybe this got translated to english? I think it was danish to begin with anyway. They added a funny character to the movie named Quark :D

There is also a comic series about them as well, and I read some of the comics and some of the books about these viking gods :)

There are lots of comics about the vikings , the most famous I think is Asterix and Obelix ;)
:D
http://www.asterix.de/e4/e16/e494/asterix-obelix.gif

[kblood]

There are lots of comics about the vikings , the most famous I think is Asterix and Obelix ;)
:D
http://www.asterix.de/e4/e16/e494/asterix-obelix.gif

Havent you seen the newest of those? These two actually gets to meet the vikings ;)

I am playing a funny game called Travian these days by the way :) It has gauls, teutons (germanic) and romans as the 3 races which competes for dominance in this online browser game. I used to play O-Game, but in O-Game you are in space and limited to 9 planets, which can then arbitrarely get moons on them, and only ships and defence can be destroyed on planets. In Travian, it is possible to have as many villages as you can manage, you can conquer other villages, and destroy villages. Also it is more graphical than most similar games and in 256 color graphics making it able to run even on smart phones :)

They are very similar to vikings though, as they find out in the cartoon about Asterix, Obelix and the vikings :)

[mariag]

Havent you seen the newest of those? These two actually gets to meet the vikings ;)

I am playing a funny game called Travian these days by the way :) It has gauls, teutons (germanic) and romans as the 3 races which competes for dominance in this online browser game. I used to play O-Game, but in O-Game you are in space and limited to 9 planets, which can then arbitrarely get moons on them, and only ships and defence can be destroyed on planets. In Travian, it is possible to have as many villages as you can manage, you can conquer other villages, and destroy villages. Also it is more graphical than most similar games and in 256 color graphics making it able to run even on smart phones :)

They are very similar to vikings though, as they find out in the cartoon about Asterix, Obelix and the vikings :)
No Kblood I havent seen teh newest Asterix as of yet , but I might download it ...
your game seems funny , do you recomend it ?

[kblood]

I replied to Mariag on PM, since it is a bit off topic, and to try get this thread back on course:

How does someone protect him or her self against evil or negative magic which is being targetted against you? Like voodoo dolls, curses, the evil eye and whatever else might be used against someone to get revenge or whatever the reason...

Im dont really remember what the evil eye is, but I think it is a curse.

Maybe you got a list of recommended readings for people who would like to know more about wiccan ways?

Maybe recommended websites about it?

Have you ever met "evil" witches, who mostly got into magic to hurt others? And have you found any witch covens with witches openly worshipping the devil? From what I have heard they exist, but very secret about it, for some reason :rolleyes:

[paganus]

I replied to Mariag on PM, since it is a bit off topic, and to try get this thread back on course:

How does someone protect him or her self against evil or negative magic which is being targetted against you? Like voodoo dolls, curses, the evil eye and whatever else might be used against someone to get revenge or whatever the reason...

Im dont really remember what the evil eye is, but I think it is a curse.

Maybe you got a list of recommended readings for people who would like to know more about wiccan ways?

Maybe recommended websites about it?

Have you ever met "evil" witches, who mostly got into magic to hurt others? And have you found any witch covens with witches openly worshipping the devil? From what I have heard they exist, but very secret about it, for some reason :rolleyes:visualizing a circle usually surfices.salt/water mix,consecrated just ask the god nd goddes! and applyed tothe bodys openings is good too.the evil eye is a curse applyed by concentrating harm into a steady gaze.most evil witches dont last long! :D witches dont worship thedevil,thats a judaeo christian islamic invention.

[kblood]

visualizing a circle usually surfices.salt/water mix,consecrated just ask the god nd goddes! and applyed tothe bodys openings is good too.the evil eye is a curse applyed by concentrating harm into a steady gaze.most evil witches dont last long! :D witches dont worship thedevil,thats a judaeo christian islamic invention.

On the last one, the thing is some have adopted this belief, although I know it is a christian/etc propaganda issue, since they obviously did not want neither science nor paganism to threaten their rule. I seen programs about witches where they themselves had been to other covens, and some of them really were whole covens of satanic witches, or at least worshipping the devil in some way. Really shows how something can be made true if it is repeated enough times.

[drael]

Nope i absolute disagree with that. Wicca is a modern reinterpretation of the old gods, there is no devil in wicca, nor any ultimate evil. The concept of an ultimate evil is purely judeochristian, and then probably a nwo invention. It is rare for a follower of the older religions to put stock in a biblical idea, it is generally considered too new/young to be a source of power or knowledge (although there are some christian mystics).

There are no black witches, there are no black magick spells in wicca, anyone wanting to practice black magick will take another path, such as the ceremonial magician. Again, at least where i live, there is no common satanitic occultist pratice. These sort of satanists are rare outside of some specific cults IMO. The actual satanic magical tradition itself is small and relatively new material created in the last 50 years. Its actually very little to go on, compared with say using the egyptian magickal formula to worship set, the supreme god of destruction. (Hence the church of set).

Ive met a few spellcasters, most are good and pure. The one i met who was dark was a ceremonial magician (they summon and bind demons etc).

[thetonic]

Where does the term "colder than a witches tit" come from? :D

[thetonic]

Also , do you like to cook things in a cauldron?..

Sorry if that is a cliche question.. I know nothing of witches...except that all women who are rude to me are deemed as such.. ;)

[bigus_dickus]

Im dont really remember what the evil eye is, but I think it is a curse.

it's not a curse, in my country people believe that sometimes when someone admires someone else and exalt their beauty or something, they put some kind of energy on the other, like a psychic attack and then the recipient has symptoms like feeling sick, yawning a lot, headache, watering eyes and stuff like that. i underlined sometimes, because it obviously doesn't happen all the time, so there must be another reason for it than just appreciation. i am thinking probably it's about thoughts of envy or even hate out of jealousy. and the funny thing is that the victim doesn't know who caused it.

now, someone can say that's a pile of shit right there and i would 'normally' agree, but i have seen it too many times happen to my friends and relatives and it still happens. it happened before me last week to my ex girlfriend.

check out what happens next. the person who suddenly starts getting the symptoms, calls someone close to de-eye him or her! that of course doesn't mean to take their eyes off, but to take the eye 'spell' off of them. the other person may be in another country, it doesn't matter where he is, he may be in another galaxy, he says or thinks a blessing (Christian in nature in our case) and after 2-5 minutes my ex is back to normal, all cheerful like nothing has happened. every time i see this, i just realize i don't know shit of how stuff works, but one thing seems at work, that we instantly transmit thoughts everywhere in the universe. and that's pretty amazing.

as for protection, here is what they use

http://www.stefana.info/images/mati03s.jpg

[bigus_dickus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3U0udLH974

[paganus]

Where does the term "colder than a witches tit" come from? :Dpropoganda,id imagine!

[paganus]

Also , do you like to cook things in a cauldron?..

Sorry if that is a cliche question.. I know nothing of witches...except that all women who are rude to me are deemed as such.. ;)the cauldron is symbolic of the female aspet of the divine.it can be used to prepare potions,hold a candle flowers etc.originally it WAS a cooking pot.mine is a mini one and i just put things relevant to the ritual in it.

[thetonic]

the cauldron is symbolic of the female aspet of the divine.it can be used to prepare potions,hold a candle flowers etc.originally it WAS a cooking pot.mine is a mini one and i just put things relevant to the ritual in it.

Ah... Ok thank you , that helps make sense of somethings to me

[kblood]

Nope i absolute disagree with that. Wicca is a modern reinterpretation of the old gods, there is no devil in wicca, nor any ultimate evil. The concept of an ultimate evil is purely judeochristian, and then probably a nwo invention. It is rare for a follower of the older religions to put stock in a biblical idea, it is generally considered too new/young to be a source of power or knowledge (although there are some christian mystics).

There are no black witches, there are no black magick spells in wicca, anyone wanting to practice black magick will take another path, such as the ceremonial magician. Again, at least where i live, there is no common satanitic occultist pratice. These sort of satanists are rare outside of some specific cults IMO. The actual satanic magical tradition itself is small and relatively new material created in the last 50 years. Its actually very little to go on, compared with say using the egyptian magickal formula to worship set, the supreme god of destruction. (Hence the church of set).

Ive met a few spellcasters, most are good and pure. The one i met who was dark was a ceremonial magician (they summon and bind demons etc).

Yes, well, I dated one who came from a coven herself where their first choice was to be a black or white witch. I just dont think that coven had anything to do with devil worship. Just dualism.

[kblood]

it's not a curse, in my country people believe that sometimes when someone admires someone else and exalt their beauty or something, they put some kind of energy on the other, like a psychic attack and then the recipient has symptoms like feeling sick, yawning a lot, headache, watering eyes and stuff like that.

Every time i see this, i just realize i don't know shit of how stuff works, but one thing seems at work, that we instantly transmit thoughts everywhere in the universe. and that's pretty amazing.

as for protection, here is what they use

http://www.stefana.info/images/mati03s.jpg

Oh yes, I heard about the evil eye being when someone envies someone else in one of the videos that was shared here on this forum.

As for telepathy, as far as I know it is "instant". Not bound by the laws of time and space. It doesnt send a "signal" or transmission to the person you are connecting or connected with, it just seems to be a connection between spirits or souls. So in theory you should be able to use telepathy with someone in another galaxy or dimension :)

[mariag]

This is how media presents Evil Eye

http://skepdic.com/evileye.html


the evil eye

apotropaic talisman for protection against the Evil Eye in GreeceThe evil eye is a kind of curse put on a child, livestock, crops, etc., by someone who has the "evil eye." There does not seem to be any particular reason why some people are born with and others without the evil eye. The curse is usually unintentional and caused by praising and looking enviously at the victim. In Sicily and southern Italy, however, it is believed that some people--jettatore-- are malevolent and deliberately cast the evil eye on their victims. Belief in the evil eye is not necessarily associated with witchcraft or sorcery, though Evil Eye was something Church inquisitors were instructed to look for. Pope Pius IX was reputed to be a jettatore, not because it was thought he was malevolent but rather because it seemed that disasters fell upon persons and places he had blessed.
Here is another link about this subject.

http://magtamerlan.com/pismo.html

http://www.treasuresbytasci.com/ProdImages/KEY-09-B-BIG.jpg

I personaly don´t think it´s a curse, Many people from the middle east that I have met give bracelets and necklesses with the Eye to children to function as a talisman for protection AGAINST evil.
My daughter has one of those bracelets and we have not had any misfortunes :p

[jp13]

propoganda,id imagine!

It may also come from witches worshipping "skyclad"

[bigus_dickus]

As for telepathy, as far as I know it is "instant". Not bound by the laws of time and space. It doesnt send a "signal" or transmission to the person you are connecting or connected with, it just seems to be a connection between spirits or souls. So in theory you should be able to use telepathy with someone in another galaxy or dimension :)

yeah, we do it already, all the time. you and me are one and the same in this "other" dimension. it is not "another" dimension, it is let's say "the background" of the "current" dimension, figuratively speaking. we are all connected in a plane that we are not able to perceive, so in this "other" plane, i am you, you are me, we are one. hence our separation is only virtual. and of course that doesn't mean that me and you are the same, thank God. i say "thank God" because imagine that we were exactly the same... life would be impossible.

on a side note, i forgot to mention something in the previous post. the person who the 'victim' calls for help, already knows what's going on before s/he gets called and soon after s/he goes on with the process, s/he experiences the same symptoms as well, as if they are taking "it" on them and then release "it" to the universe or something.

[jacob1111]

Are you wearing a red type of dress? Do you like sun flowers?
Will I meet you?