ichi wa zen
09-01-2008, 09:03 PM
My entire being is telling me We Will Become One!
The NWO is going down. People are awakening. Only fools doubt, people who read to much Vedic nonsense and other horrible prophecies and theories written by people who are DEAD MEAT! We control our destiny together, not papers with ink on them written by some old ancient people who are no more.
If you keep basing your choices you make NOW on what happened in the past you are never going to be free. You let the past become the future!
We live now, not in the past nor the future.
The rule of cause and effect, which governs everything, comes peeping around the corner AFTER you look back at what happened! So this means that in this moment/now we can decide what we want the future to be!
SO ANY PERSON IN HERE DISAGREEING WITH THIS ULTIMATE TRUTH IS A FOOL AND LIVES IN THE PAST, YOU CANT IMAGINE CHANGE, YOU ARE AFRAID! :p
If you dont understand what i mean by this, read the following conversation between a student and Roshi Gudo Nishijima, it explains everything. Yes i know its a lot of text and words, but please read it if you want to understand! Its important that you understand this ULTIMATE TRUTH! :D
Q. Would you say that the universe is only now, only happening now? Only action?
A. Yes, that is true.
Q. So, if itís only action now in this present moment, what was the cause and effect? What caused it?
A. Buddhism has the layers of the four philosophies, and in the second philosophy we think of all phenomena on the same basis as science. In that situation, time is a series of past, present and future. In this series of time we can find cause and effect. But action at the present moment belongs to the third philosophy. The third philosophy is based on the present moment, so the principle where the rule of cause and effect works and the principle where action at the present moment works are different.
Q. But the reality is that there is only this moment? I can say, "we just passed one moment and weíre going into another moment" and in this way we store moments up, but they donít exist?
A. Yes, so according to the Buddhist idea real existence is just at the present moment.
Q. I still canít understand where cause and effect comes in if thereís only this moment.
A. After the passing of the present moment, when we think about past, present, and future, we can clearly notice the existence of the rule of cause and effect.
Q. Thatís when we think about it. But if we didnít think about it there wouldnít be any cause and effect? These are the two systems youíre talking about?
A. There is a rather important Buddhist theory regarding this point, which I would like to explain. In western thoughts there is a very serious and difficult problem which hasnít been solved yet. That is the contradictory situation of human freedom and cause and effect. In western thoughts human freedom is based on idealistic philosophy, and cause and effect is based on materialistic philosophy. So these two philosophies are perfectly contradictory. If we believe in human freedom we can never believe in the existence of cause and effect, and if we believe in cause and effect we can never believe in human freedom. So spiritual people think, "we have freedom, we have the ability to do good and bad". But materialistic people think, "we are governed by the rule of cause and effect, therefore we do not have any freedom, we do not have the ability to do good or not to do bad".
These two insistences have been contradictory for thousands of years in western thought, and this contradictory situation hasnít been solved yet in western philosophy. But in Buddhism, relying upon the instantaneousness of this world, we solve this contradictory problem. I would like to explain the situation using the following simile: Imagine a razor with a very sharp edge. If we put a pearl on the edge of the razor, the edge is so narrow that the pearl will fall down. The pearl will sometimes fall down on the right side, and sometimes fall down on the left side. Human freedom is like this. Sometimes we go to the right side and sometimes to the left. Because the present moment is so short, relying upon this situation human beings can have freedom. So even though we are governed by cause and effect totally, just at the present moment we can be free. This theory solved the contradiction between the two principles which hadnít been solved for thousands of years. Relying upon this theory, Buddhism solved the problem. So this theory is very important for thinking about human life, for thinking about philosophical problems.
Q. This is how we live now?
Q. So we live on the razorís edge.
A. We act at the present moment, therefore we can be free.
Q. But that suggests that on the razorís edge we always have a choice which way we go.
Q. Who is the chooser?
A. The person decides whether to fall to the right side or to the left side. Just at that moment we can decide what we should do. For example, we can steal other peopleís property or refrain from doing so. That comes from the structure of the present moment. Action exists just at the present moment, therefore we can be free.
Q. So you are saying that I am the actor, doing the action?
Q. So there are two things happening in duality?
A. In the present moment there is no separation between actor and action.
Q. There is only the perception and action?
A. Yes. There is one simple fact.
Q. So the stealing is the action. If I take something it causes an effect, so I donít touch it?
A. Yes, so the cause and effect is later remembrance or reflection. When we think about the series of past, present and future we can find cause and effect, but just at the present moment there is the simple fact, and that simple fact exists like the pearl on the edge of the razor. Therefore just at the present moment human beings can have freedom.
Q. If you fall on one side of the razor and steal something from someone, the repercussions of cause and effect are endless.
A. Yes, cause and effect is endless, but just at the present moment we can change it. Therefore, human action is extremely valuable.
Q. Thereís no problem in the present?
A. Yes, to do something, to work something, that is our life. It is not necessary to worry about anything.
Q. To worry is the cause and effect?
A. Worry is a mental function, the movement of brain cells.
Q. If Iím acting with pure freedom in the present moment, does that mean that that action is not caused?
A. We can cut the cause at the present moment by action.
Q. So that action is not the effect of a cause?
A. We can become free at the present moment.
Q. If I do that and then later I reflect on it?
A. After the fact, when we reflect on the situation we have to notice that we are governed by the rule of cause and effect.
Q. So then it appears later. It appears that my action was a caused effect?
A. Yes, the existence of the rule of cause and effect comes from the reflection of scientific research.
Q. So even though it appears that my action was caused, itís not really true?
A. Our present is also influenced by the past, but at the same time, at the present moment we have the choice of what we do, and we can choose some preference. But afterwards, if we think about the fact, it is unavoidable that we notice the existence of the rule of cause and effect. At the present moment we can be free, but thinking about the fact in terms of the past, present and future, it is necessary for us to notice the existence of cause and effect.
Q. The cause and effect is not really a determined process, but even though we act with freedom, later when we look at it the cause and effect all works out. It works into the system of cause and effect, although at that moment we were free?
A. In Buddhism we use four kinds of philosophies. One is the philosophy, which is based on mind, this is called idealistic philosophy. The second is the philosophy, which is based on matter, this is called materialistic philosophy. However, Buddhist philosophy is a philosophy which is based on action, so Buddhist philosophy is different from idealistic philosophy and materialistic philosophy.
In our civilized situation we have only two fundamental philosophies, one is idealism and the other is materialism. But Buddhism insists that we are living in reality, we are not living in ideas or sense perception. So relying upon the fact that we are living in reality, Buddhism established the third philosophy. The third philosophy is the philosophy of action. So even though Buddhism was established two thousand five hundred years ago, Buddhism is a rather new philosophy in the world today.
Q. We live in ideology. It appears that any decision we make about the future is based on the past, so we are carrying the past forward all the time and always getting it wrong?
A. We are living with a large amount of miscellaneous ideas, but those ideas are a kind of dream, they are like bubbles. If we blow them away there is nothing, and then we can find reality. It is necessary for us to find reality, but nowadays our brain is full of miscellaneous ideas. That is the problem.
Q. Can we say that the past is actually the future?
A. The future does not appear. We have no ability to touch the future. What we can touch is just the present, just action. For that reason, to think about the future is not so important. But many people worry about the future, for example, if there is a big earthquake what should we do, etc.. This kind of worrying is unnecessary, just to live at the present moment, that is human life.
Q. But living in the present moment means thinking about the future.
A. I donít think so.
Q. I notice that you sometimes say things about a day which didnít come yet, next week or next year, or for instance you say the world is going towards the one point.
A. The future is always undecided so to live at the present is our life.
Q. So living at the present is accepting that we think about the future?
A. I think the present moment is too busy to think about the future. We are occupied by the present moment.
Q. When you talk about your philosophical system, I donít think that you mean to say so but sometimes you give the impression that we should deny whatís in front of our eyes. You donít mean to say that, do you?
A. According to Buddhism, to look at what is in front of us exactly is the most important point.
Q. So if the person in front of us is talking about, for instance, what we are going to do this afternoon?
A. The talking is at the present moment but the object which is being discussed belongs to the future. Talking is at the present moment.
Q. Regarding freedom, you said that at the present moment we are free because we can choose our action. But because of the relationship of cause and effect, what I did yesterday has a consequence today. That means in fact, that even if I am free in the present moment I am not free in the long term, because what I did in the past has a consequence now.
A. Yes thatís true. So we are born in some country, and we are brought up by parents and these facts in the past influenced us. That is true. But just at the present moment we can select what we should do.
Q. Previously, you said that thought and action are different. Sometimes I understand this because we can say. "oh I will do this, and I will do that", but we never do. So it does seem they are different.
A. The situation is like this: I place a stick on the table, and I think about whether I will pick it up or not. That is thinking. But, (picking up the stick) this is action. So that is the difference. People sometimes think that to worry about whether or not to pick up the stick is the fact, is reality, but it is not reality.
Q. But we have to think about it before acting, before acting we have the thought, "I will pick up the stick".
A. That is the tendency or principle in western thoughts. Since the Greek age when idealistic philosophy was established by Plato, people have revered thoughts very much. Therefore, thought is very powerful in the western tradition. But Buddhism thinks that to think about whether to pick up the stick or not is not so important. Whether we do the action or not is life. That is the Buddhist idea.
Q. Once you said these things like thoughts or planning or thinking are a tool, we use them as a tool, we utilize them before we make the decision or do the action. So theyíre just a tool.
A. Yes, like a map or trip guide.
Q. When you were talking about earthquakes, did you mean weíre not supposed to worry about it like, "oh, what am I going to do, what am I going to do", but in the present moment we can only do what we can do, so if we need to save water we save water, if we need to get an emergency food kit we should stock something and make preparation. Is that right?
A. Making preparation is useful but the most important matter is, if this building shakes very strongly what do I do. That is the most important matter. So, even though we imagine many situations before the earthquake happens, these situations are usually different from the real situation when the building shakes.
Q. But when a building shakes, whether it falls on your head or not is important. Therefore the people who are constructing a building will think about the future, and theyíll think what shall we do to make this building strong. Based on their thinking they will construct the building, and that will have some effect on the present.
A. Yes, I do not think that those kind of efforts are unimportant. Of course they are very important and useful. I do not take scientific knowledge lightly. I revere scientific knowledge very much.
Q. If the building shakes in an earthquake, we donít think about it, we act straight away.
A. Yes, so sometimes we run out of the building, sometimes we stand still. When the fact occurs, then we need intuitive ability. That is called "Prajna".
Q. If we thought about it in advance, perhaps we would act better. For example, if we train ourselves to run under the table each day, then when an earthquake actually occurs we will have the reflex to do this. So itís important also to think about it.
A. Yes, so thinking is also a kind of action. However, freedom is not idea, but fact. Sometimes people think that freedom exists in our brain, and because they think freedom only exists in our brain they are prone to think that people are perfectly free. But this idea is not real. Therefore we should divide what exists in our brain and what exists in our real life. To distinguish those two parts is the main point of Buddhism. Freedom has many choices in concrete situations.
Q. Is it like you have two sides of a sheet of paper with human freedom on one side and cause and effect on the other side, and itís not so easy to see both of them together? It seems difficult to get the two ideas together?
A. In history, for thousands of years human beings couldnít solve this contradictory situation. This is a historical fact.
Q. They solved it with Christianity because they said God intervenes in cause and effect on behalf of human beings, so everyone was happy then.
A. Yes, that is one solution, but whether that solution is reliable or not is another problem.
Q. What do you mean when you say humanity is converging to the same point?
A. We have many accumulated thoughts from our past, but recently people are noticing whether or not those accumulated thoughts are really useful in our daily life. People want to know the real fact. This tendency exists in many divisions of science, literature, the arts and so forth.
Q. So you mean thereís a common theme in many places?
A. Yes, I think so.
Q. Sometimes I agree with you and I feel that we are coming closer together in our thinking, but in our brains for every choice we make we have a myriad more, and often it seems we are diverging.
A. Yes, itís true. So it is very important to notice which tendency is fact. We may think that human beings are going to separate widely, or, we may think that human beings are moving more and more towards the one direction. Which of these tendencies we believe is true has a very serious effect on our life.
For example, if I am fighting in Eastern Europe and using a gun, if I believe that human beings do not have a peaceful situation and that to fight against each other is human fate, then I have to shoot the gun. But if I have the idea that human beings are going to the same point, and therefore it is not necessary for me to shoot the gun, then I can stop shooting.
So our actions differ according to the ideas we hold. That is the situation. Therefore, to have the true theory is very important. It decides our life completely. Thatís why we study the true theory. However, many people are disappointed because they feel that there is no truth, and that it is impossible for us to get the truth. But, I notice that there is just the truth in this world. So to study the truth and to rely upon the truth is very important for human beings. That is my idea.
Q. Sometimes science says that, for example, to see a piece of paper we need some light, but the fact of seeing the paper is modified because we need light, so we donít see the paper as it really is. Therefore, to see the paper as it is we reduce the light more and more, and more and more we can see the paper as it is without modification, and the point where there is no light is when we see the truth. But in this case, at that point we cannot see the paper anymore. Then we have no method to see the truth in this case. And sometimes even when we practice Zazen, we just have an apparition of the truth, through our mind or through our five senses and it is a kind of modification of reality. How can we reach this reality by practicing Zazen.
A. So to study that kind of situation is one aim of Zazen. During Zazen we have many ideas, we have many experiences, so among those experiences and images we have to select the real situation.
Shall we finish now. Thank you.
23-01-2008, 07:17 PM
Good not agree more mate! But' There is no concrete proof!
That we are going to ascend!
I am for one! more awake than anyone that i know, and have shared The symptoms & ridicule That EVERYONE goes through GOING through the AWAKENING process.
I am AWARE and OPEN Minded to what is going to happen around 2012!
BUT' im not going to say that i am going to be wisked off into some new density or new dimension!
REASON 1' because if im not! Further ridicule awaits me and then the people who i have spoken to about the MAYANS CALENDAR is going to think i have lied to them and defo think i've lost it!
I do Believe The EARTH (our planet) is going through some major cycle and if someone can give me a complete run down on how this will affect my PHYSICAL HUMAN SPACE SUIT then im open to take on board what they have to tell me!
However if people believe that they will ascend then i can respect that!
There is lots of QUESTIONS that i would like answered?
( 1 ) Exactly what time is this going to happen?
**Because Time does not exist*
( 2 ) what happens to our physical body?
( 3 ) Exactly how does this happen?
( 4 ) will the rest of the world see this happen?
( 5 ) just because one has awoken and become more
aware! why' would this give priority over the people
who could not be AWAKENED.
Im not going anywhere' my family comes first!
im not leaving this 3d dimension that i was born to
Experience untill my SHELL has no use anymore!
i am here to live life to the full & do the physical
activities that the human body is capable of doing!
BASICALY EXPLORING & USING MY PHYSICAL HUMAN
FORM TO IT'S FULL POTENTIAL!
And then reproducing' (HAVING CHILDREN) so that
our kids grow, Experience and see the amazing
Planet that we have colonized and further advanced
to make life more easier for them to live on.
This is how things should be to this day!
BUT' This brother hood (The elite), ILLUMINATI'
who control our GOVERMENTS have suppressed
and taken away our true FREEDOM!
THIS IS AS REAL AS ITS GETS GUYS!
(YOU ALREADY HAVE ASCENDED)
''ON PLANET EARTH''
BUT IT'S NOW A PRISON!
24-01-2008, 03:50 AM
That's interesting what Wolfchild is saying, but I think I have to read it again..
iche wa zen says the NWO is already here, and don't I see that. Yes, but we are on the waxing side of a cusp. So it's going to get even worse. But yes it is here. The global fascist police state is here. I see it. There is no more free Western Democratic Nations that I know of (Iceland?maybe?), and it's gettin less free, and less of-the-people every day.
But 2012 marks some sort of cosmic time. Where you are (not physically) at that time will be of the utmost importance to your future,... sort of like a graduation day. I think the appropriate word is initiation. (not ascension, though. Another, different initiation. We will not be ready for a global ascension for hundreds of years.).
Off topic:::::::: I asked some of my co-workers just the other day, "Drug use and the purchase of drugs is 'legal' in Denmark" They all agreed. But when I brought up the fact that in all other nations drugs and the transportation of drugs is outlawed (except where they are grown), so the only way drugs could be brought into Denmark was illegally. When I suggested that governments who imprison their population for using and selling drugs are involved in bringing drugs to Denmark, they seemed a little sceptical. But still couldn't explain how drugs get to Holland,, legally. So, how do the drugs get into Denmark? Do they just unload them off a ship or truck or plane and sign a manefest for them? like any other merchandise? Is this something that can't be talked about? How do you account for the international laws against transporting drugs across the ocean or Europe? Does Holland claim that all their drugs are home grown and home made? Or is it just legal for opium to be shipped there from Burma or Afghaistan?